I agree. So without further comment, I point out that one can see the bidding history on ebay. The 3 higher (than windsand) bids all arrived in the last minute. The winning bid arrived 8 seconds before the end (he probably used a "sniping" service).

At 05:20 PM 1/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Ok guys this has been beat to death here, lets talk technical and leave the
business ethics for elsewhere.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Protel EDA Forum" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [PEDA] The going price for P99SE on Ebay


Yes - he was willing to pay the price - if he had to.

But, the motivation was not that he wanted it, not that he needed it, but to
raise the price so others would no longer be able to win at a lower price,
and hope that someone would outbid him so he wouldn't have to pay.



-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Sumner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 6:01 PM
To: Protel EDA Forum
Subject: Re: [PEDA] The going price for P99SE on Ebay


Mr. Lomax placed his bid and was ready to buy it at that price. Someone
else was willing to pay a bit more.  If I needed another license, I would
have made a bid myself, possibly much higher (it went rather cheaply
compared to what I paid for 3.5 and upgrades to 99se), but I don't and I
didn't. That's called an "auction", and I have no argument with it.

Richard Sumner



At 03:52 PM 1/9/2003 -0800, you wrote:

>'Abd ul-Rahman Lomax' said:
>"I placed a bid on that license even though I'm short of cash (I bid
>$2025) simply because I couldn't stand to see it go for under $2,000.
>I'm trying to sell an extra 99SE license for $4500! (OBO)."
>
>
>
>I (and others may) still think that the attitude;
>
>I see someone on Ebay selling the same product that I do.  It is now at
>a very low price, maybe lower that what I pay.  I do not want anyone to
>get this product for this low a price because of how it may effect me
>and the market.  I have no desire to buy this product myself right now,
>but I will bid a significantly higher price to prevent anyone else from
>getting a lower price, and if I get that price, I am willing to pay for
>it.
>
>...as being quite selfish, and against the basic principal of auctions.
>
>I know that this probably happens all the time, and that there is
>little that can be done about it.
>
>I would also point out that if the seller engages in this kind of
>activity, that this is explicitly against the bidding policies, and can
>be reacted to quite vigorously by the auctioneer.  I would also
>consider this behavior contrary to the free market, and could even be
>considered market manipulation
>- ala Enron, etc.
>
>Now, if you wanted to get into a typical bidding competition, this is
>exactly the spirit of auctions, and may have resulted is a similar or
>higher ending price - whether you won or not.
>
>I would recommend it may be safer not share your participation in this
>kind of activity in the future - regardless how benevolent or 'fair'
>you may consider your motivations to be.

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