First major hiccup, the engine is in, the looms are spliced but there is still no spark. There is a connector on the new loom for an engine speed sensor( labelled as such), but appears to be none on the new engine. The crank position sensor and the cam phase sensor are both connected. Any suggestions on whether this is a major issue. the coil pack has three wires going to it, does anyone know what the voltages should be on these three wires?
Thanks for your advice mark On May 17, 10:31 am, Mark Miles <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you for that Jim, Peter seems pretty switched on about what he is doing > and is thinking of possible future problems as he goes rather than just doing > as > briefed. There shouldn't be so much of a problem with the new install as the > new > engine/box does not have the equal length driveshafts. The inboard cv joint > seems far more substantial so is less likely to fail given the same set of > circumstances. I am not so concerned about the additional torque steer as I > don't tend to drive the car particularly hard (often!). > > Mark > Mark Miles > > Manager > Bar Square > 8 Market Place > Wokingham > Berkshire > RG40 1AL > > 07522 67 60 57 > > ________________________________ > From: Jim Hearne <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Tue, 17 May, 2011 9:37:33 > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Zetec conversion > > I agree, it does sound wrong and the way Peter is doing it is correct, sit > the > engine on the gearbox mounts, put a jack under the sump until the engine is > level and then make the top engine mount fit with no excess force. > > Thinking about it, i've a recollection of the build manual saying the slots > in > the engine mount bracket (the bit that bolts onto the engine) need filing out > to let the mount fit further into the bracket. > > Both the large slots the 2 studs slide into and the smaller ones the locating > pins slide into were deepened. > This may have been on the saloon not the 2+2 though. > If this wasn't done then if would cause the excess pressure you mention. > > Jim > > From: Mark Miles>Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:23 AM > >To: [email protected] > >Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >The quantity of washers that were in there were applying significant > >force to > >the engine assembly. This provides a logical explanation for breaking 3 > >inboard cv joints in 8000 miles. I may be wrong but to me that makes sense. > > I > >have to admit I hadn't looked at that part of the build manual but Peter is > > > >going to use the other two engine mounts to locate the engine and then pack > > > >out just enough to take the tension out of the system. > > >Mark > > Mark Miles > > >Manager > >Bar Square > >8 Market Place > >Wokingham > >Berkshire > >RG40 1AL > > >07522 67 60 57 > > ________________________________ > From: Jim Hearne <[email protected]>>To: [email protected] > >Sent: Tue, 17 May, 2011 8:52:57 > >Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >The lower fixing on the upper engine mount is supposed to have a stack > >of spacing washers behind it to line it up with the hole for the top stud > >and > >keep it parallel to the frame. > >But not quite as much as 1/2", mine was about 10mm from memory, i turned > >up a > >stainless steel spacer rather than use the stack of washers the build > >manual > >suggests. > > >Jim > > >From: Mark Miles > >>Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 11:37 PM > >>To: [email protected] > >>Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >>It was also discovered today why the car kept breaking the cv joint on > >>the > >>intermediate driveshaft. The brake pipe had been run behind the offside > >> > >>engine mount so that had been padded out with half an inch of washers. this > >> > >>meant the engine was the best part of half an inch too far to the nearside > >> > >>and therefore the offside driveshaft was under tension. As the outer part > >>of > >>the cv joint is only a thin piece of pressed metal this was failing under > >> > >>the tension. Damn, I really didn't need to put all that extra fun (power) > >> > >>under the bonnet. :) lol. > >> Mark Miles > > >>Manager > >>Bar Square > >>8 Market Place > >>Wokingham > >>Berkshire > >>RG40 1AL > > >>07522 67 60 57 > > ________________________________ > From: taximark <[email protected]>>>To: Quantum Owners Group > <[email protected]> > >>Sent: Mon, 16 May, 2011 23:28:34 > >>Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >>Well the mods have been completed on the frame. I have photos to post > >>showing how that has been done, pretty much the same as was shown on > >>Jim's site although Peter has used 40mm section as that was what he > >>had in the 'shop. The other thing he gave thought to was the next cam > >>belt change. He has welded the replacement framework slightly lower to > >>allow access to the camshaft locking thingies without having to fiddle > >>the engine around. This also solves any possible clearance issues with > >>the 40mm frame and the bonnet. I don't know if there would have been > >>but I am quite sure there won't now. Tomorrow it is the new steering > >>rack going in and the first trial fit of the new lump. Should be > >>wiring on thursday so maybe back on the road by the weekend. Fingers > >>crossed. > > >>Mark > > >>On May 14, 12:22 pm, Steve Kodz <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Mark, > >>> My guess is that you should be OK pressure wise as long as it's not > >>> massively high, as the fuel pressure rail will set the correct > >>> pressure > >>>and > >>> the return should handle the excess. > > >>> Regards, > >>> Steve > > >>>--www.h4-turbo.co.ukwww.quantumowners.co.ukwww.quantumcars.co.ukwww.qua... > > >>> On Saturday 14 May 2011, Mark Miles wrote: > > >>> > The cvh is now out of the car and the modifications to the frame > >>> > > >>>have > >>> > been started. Scary moments as this is being done 15 miles away and > my > >>> > only car currently has no engine in it!! My brother is taking > >>> > photos > >as > >>> > he goes and I will post these as soon as the job is done. > > >>> > Does anyone have the fuel flow and pressure requirements for the > >>> > fuel > >>> > pump to use with the zetec? My brother has a Facet pump sitting on > the > >>> > shelf that came out of a yank motor, my guess would be that this > would > >>> > fill the requirements but would prefer to check that it isn't going > to > >>> > give me too much pressure. Mark Miles > > >>> > Manager > >>> > Bar Square > >>> > 8 Market Place > >>> > Wokingham > >>> > Berkshire > >>> > RG40 1AL > > >>> > 07522 67 60 57 > > >>> > ________________________________ > >>> > From: Susan and Martin Scott > >>> > <[email protected]> To: > >>> > [email protected] > >>> > Sent: Fri, 13 May, 2011 20:04:29 > >>> > Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >>> > I wonder why they trust the word of a garage rather than the > >>> > owner? > >Or > >>> > even themselves? They told me they would accept a statement from a > >>> > garage of the chassis number (and the garage had to fit the > >>chassis > >>> > plate), but wouldn't accept that I could fit the plate and they > >>> > could > >>> > check the number --- absolutely bizarre! I just ignored them, > >>> > fitted > >>> > the chassis plate and they checked the number - job done. > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> > >From: Mark Miles > >>> > >To: [email protected] > >>> > >Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 3:18 PM > >>> > >Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >>> > >I have just got off the phone from what has to be my least > >>> > >stressful > >>> > >call ever to the DVLA. The guy that I spoke to informed me that > >>> > >the > >>> > >only information they want is a letter from a garage on headed > >>> > >paper > >>> > >informing them of the new engine capacity and the engine number. I > >>> > >informed him that an attempt to clean up the number to read it > >>> > > >>>could > >>> > >render it totally unreadable and that would look a bit dodgy. His > >>> > >response was best effort and the letter are all that will be > >required. > >>> > >The other thing he took great pleasure in informing me of was the > >>> > >increase in the cost of my road fund licence. Still, I will be > >>> > >able > >to > >>> > >get to the DVLA office at Theale much quicker!! :) > > >>> > > Mark Miles > > >>> > >Manager > >>> > >Bar Square > >>> > >8 Market Place > >>> > >Wokingham > >>> > >Berkshire > >>> > >RG40 1AL > > >>> > >07522 67 60 57 > > >>> > ________________________________ > >>> > From: Mark Miles <[email protected]> > > >>> > >To: [email protected] > >>> > >Sent: Wed, 11 May, 2011 22:20:21 > >>> > >Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >>> > >Thanks Jin, I will contact the dvla tomorrow and see if I can get > >>> > >a > >>> > >definitive answer from them. Having dealt with both them and vosa > >>> > >on > >a > >>> > >number of occasions I suspect I will be reaching for the valium > >before > >>> > >the end of the call. It would appear that the answers and service > >>> > > >>>you > >>> > >get from both show a distinct lack of consistency. If I contact > >>> > >the > >>> > >office that will be dealing with the transfer maybe I will > >>> > >actually > >>> > >find out what they require of me. > > >>> > >I look forward to my car being reliable enough to actually travel > >>> > >to > >>> > >meet some of you sometime. > > >>> > > Mark Miles > > >>> > >Manager > >>> > >Bar Square > >>> > >8 Market Place > >>> > >Wokingham > >>> > >Berkshire > >>> > >RG40 1AL > > >>> > >07522 67 60 57 > > >>> > ________________________________ > >>> > From: jin <[email protected]> > > >>> > >To: Quantum Owners Group <[email protected]> > >>> > >Sent: Wed, 11 May, 2011 17:33:44 > >>> > >Subject: [Quantum Owners] Re: 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >>> > >when i changed my 1.1 to the XR2 (from kelvin too) i thought id > >>have > >>> > >issues with the DVLA, not least because the replacement engine > >>> > >had > >>>no > >>> > >legible engine number, receipt or anything. > >>> > >i took some photos and a cover letter from a garage that > confirmed > >>> > >that the engine had changed from a 1.1 to a 1.6 (though you have > > to > >>> > >say 1597cc or they get all funny) and i had no problems, > >>> > >they did just send the docs back with the old engine number > >>> > on > >>>it and > >>> > >the new cc, good job i scrapped the old engine then. > >>> > >This was all only 2 months ago so they should still be ok. > > >>> > >On May 11, 12:00 pm, "Jim Hearne" <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >> From > > >>>>>here:http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/ChangesToYourR > >>> > >>egi... > > >>> > >> Change to engine and cylinder capacity (engine size) > > >>> > >> DVLA will need written evidence of any changes to engine > >>> > >> number > >>>and > >>> > >> cylinder > > >>> > >>capacity (cc). Written evidence can be: > >>> > >> a.. a receipt for the replacement engine > >>> > >> b. written evidence from the manufacturer > >>> > >> c.. an inspection report provided for insurance > >>> > purposes > >>> > >> d.. written confirmation on headed paper from a garage if > >>> > >> the > >>> > >> change in > > >>> > >>engine size took place before you bought the vehicle > > >>> > >> Jim > > >>> > >> From: hansdefauwes > >>> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:47 AM > >>> > >> To: [email protected] > > >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >>> > >> The new rules apply for any engine change!! up or down in > >>> > >> > >>> > >> cc's > > >>> > >> sinds end last year. > > >>> > >> The DVLA as well as the Dutch RDW are getting stricter by > >>> > >> the > >>> > >> month . . > > >>> > >> They are " forced "by Europe - they say... > > >>> > >> hans > > >>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> > >> From: Jim Hearne > >>> > >> To: quantumowners@googlegroupscom > >>> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 11:52 AM > >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Zetec conversion > > >>> > >> I think that used to be only if you are putting in a > >>> > >> lower > >>> > >> capacity > > >>> > >>engine and were going to change the tax group. > > >>> > >> I.E going from 1.6L to a 1.4L puts it into the > >>> > >> lower tax > >>>band. > >>> > >> But i do remember reading somewhere they now want more > >>details > >>> > >> for an > > >>> > >>engine change. > > >>> > >> Personally, i can't remember the last time i told DVLA > >>> > >> when > >>>i'd > >>> > >> changed > > >>> > >>an engine for another of the same capacity, you can never > >>> > >>read > >>>the > >>> > >>engine number on the block after it's rusted for a few years. > > >>> > >> I don't know how it would work on a newer car (post > >>> > >> 2001) > >>>where > >>> > >> the tax > > >>> > >>is based on the CO2 emissions of the engine, i guess you'd > >>> > >>have > >to > >>> > >>supply all sorts of details of where the engine came from. > > >>> > >> Jim > > >>> > >> From: hansdefauwes > > >>> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 10:41 AM > >>> > >> To: [email protected] > >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Zetec > conversion > > >>> > >> If you put an other engine in your QSC and want to > >>>change the > >>> > >> V5 with > > >>> > >>the new engine nr and cc's you need a detaild letter/bill from > >the > >>> > >>garage that they did the engine swap!!! > > >>> > >> Found out the hard way . . . > >>> > >> This info is somewhere on the DVLA website. > > >>> > >> Hans > > >>> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >>> > >> From: Russell Willcox > > >>> > >> To: quantumowners@googlegroupscom > >>> > >> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 11:04 PM > >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Zetec > >>> > conversion > > >>> > >> Just for interest of those of us doing engine > >>>conversions > >>> > >> I was > > >>> > >>informed by somebody at Stoneleigh that the DVLA are cracking > >>> > >>down > >on > >>> > >>this and you must now be able to prove where the engine came from > >>i.e. > >>> > >>what the original car was. I don't know how true this is but > >>> > >>thought > >>I > >>> > >>would mention it Luckily I have the car that my diesel came from > >>> > > >>>so > >>> > >>hopefully will not be a problem. > > >>> > >> Russell > > >>> > >> On 10/05/2011 15:47, Mark Miles wrote: > >>> > >> 260hp 2+2... WOW!! mine is lively with a 1.4 > >>> > >> and > >>>62hp, > >>> > >> yours > > >>> > >>must be nuts. I got a loom adapter with the engine which came > >from > >>> > >>Kelvin in Salisbury. I believe you had some bits off him too. > >>> > >>The > >>> > >>subframe mods are not a major issue. I don't know what the donor > >>> > > >>>car > >>> > >>was as the engine was bought from someone who bought it for a > >>> > >>Q. > >I > >>> > >>have seen your website, though not recently. I will go and > >>> > >>take > >>> > >>another look now. > > >>> > >> Mark Miles > > >>> > >> Manager > > >>> > >> Bar Square > >>> > >> 8 Market Place > >>> > >> Wokingham > > >>> > >> Berkshire > > >>> > >> RG40 1AL > > >>> > >> 07522 67 60 57 > > >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> > >> --- > > >>> > >> From: Jim Hearne <[email protected]> > >>> > >> To: [email protected] > >>> > >> Sent: Tue, 10 May, 2011 15:18:32 > >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] 2+2 Zetec > >>> conversion > > >>> > >> All the mods required have been covered in this > >>> > >> group > >>>in > >>> > >> the past, > > >>> > >>they may also be in the FAQ on the club web site. > > >>> > >> I presume you've seen my web sitewww.quantums.info, > >>some > >>> > >> pictures > > >>> > >>on there of a Zetec in a 2+2 plus another page on fitting a > >>> > >>Zetec > >>>in > >>> > >>a Mk2 Fiesta. > > >>> > >> Main things are: > >>> > >> Spaceframe mods to clear crank pulley, top of > > >>> ... > > >>> read more » > > >>-- > >>You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>Groups > >>"Quantum Owners Group" group. > >>To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > >>To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>[email protected] > >>For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/quantumowners?hl=en > > >>IMPORTANT NOTE: All information presented herewith is provided on an > >>"As > >>Is" basis, without warranty or the implication thereof. 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