I have seen pushups do exactly as you have discribed below. I have
witnessed boys having to do them in front of the outpost for forgetting
to pickup sleeping bag after a campout or for leaving their stuff
someplace only to have the commander pick it up and make them do pushups
or a "trick" or sing a song to get back the item requested. Your right
most of the time no harm was done.
It didnt' really hurt to wear Knotty, or write the essays, or scrub that
black permanet marker off of our dish pans at NTC or to have Sr. Guide
screaming at you for being late or grining or what ever and doing pushups
don't really hurt either. But the point in fact being made was don't do
this to your boys.
I had a commander who is a good commander and was a past drill sargent.
He was starting the pushup stuff and I didn't interfere with it. He
stopped it on his own when he had to take some of his own medicene in
front of the outpost. His reply was I see what your talking about.
Next time you administer the pushups to your boys in front of your
outpost please visualize the commander above you walking up and telling
you to give him 5 in front of the outpost after all none of us are
perfect.
I do believe in disipline but not in a public setting. I have seen
people hurt and leave the church from what was said from the pulpit. I
hope none of us will ever be guilty of shooting our wounded. Showing
respect and treating with respect should have no age boundries. Do it
like the manual says... build them up with praise and recognition.
Mark Jones, Ozark MO, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Download a Free Royal Ranger
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On Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:12:08 -0400 Andy Cottle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>
>
>I read the recent response from Mark Jones about discipline in the
>outpost
>meetings. The original message was a little long, so I didn't include
>in
>my response. I've been guilty of having boys do push-ups (not for
>being
>late), but only in certain circumstances (and not too often). For
>instance, I make sure I know the boys before any form of "discipline"
>is
>dished out. If I don't know for sure that the young man is capable of
>doing a couple of push-ups, I won't ask him to - it would just
>humiliate
>him, and that's not the goal. The reason I put "discipline" in quotes
>above is because I don't think the boys look at it that way. In fact,
>it
>almost seems like something of a game - I always have one or two other
>boys
>offer to do them, too. What it accomplishes is to settle the young
>man
>down - get his attention and get him quiet. That's usually the
>objective
>in the first place.
>
>I've also had groups of boys who seem to have too much energy run the
>ball
>field (when we're outside). without fail, others want to do it, too!
>Again, it does seem to get their attention and calm them down
>somewhat.
>They don't see it (at least I don't think they do) as humiliating -
>they're
>usually laughing when they get back.
>
>As the LTC says, good group control is based on commander/boy love and
>respect. I guess it all centers around knowing, loving, and
>respecting
>your boys. If you don't KNOW that it's appropriate, don't do it.
>
>What do other folks do as "discipline"? What helps you get their
>attention
>and get them calmed down when they need it?
>
>Andy Cottle
>Phenix City, Alabama
>
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