Re: New navigation device with accessibility in mind
Hey john and others, This is a take on how you can use the macaron. Please take it light heartedly :)) https://www.facebook.com/yuma.decaux/posts/10154525305554436 Sent from sputnik7 > On 10/03/2017, at 12:59 PM, Jonathan C. Cohnwrote: > > So could I confidently walk on my roof with this device and know how close to > the edge I am? Oh, and find the laddar I left ten feet from the NW corner? > > Best wishes, > > Jonathan Cohn > >> On Mar 9, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: >> >> Hi Mika again, to answer the other questions: >> >> We're still in the process of figuring out how low we can go with the price >> using the components we have, but it will be much cheaper than any of the >> solutions out there in terms of access tech which I personally find to be >> extortion. >> >> We are working hard to distribute more beta units locally and will be >> releasing the full product in july. >> >> Best, >> >> >>> On 10/03/2017, at 9:09 AM, Mika Pyyhkala wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> Can you just explain practical situations how it can help in your life? >>> >>> I mean it doesn't matter what features it has if we don't know how >>> practically what kinds of tasks or things it could help with in the >>> real world. :) >>> >>> Also how much will it cost and when will it be available? >>> >>> Just want those kinds of nuts and bolts details. >>> >>> Best, >>> Mika >>> On 3/9/17, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi David, After following your advice, I've updated our features page for the macaron with some audio explanations on the different features and our developement map for the next few months. Please have a look and let me know if it resonates better :) http://oseyeris.com > On 28/02/2017, at 3:55 PM, David and his growing pack of dogs. Benny, no > longer with us his memory lives on through > wrote: > > It is a good product, just the tutorial needs to be tweaked and, for > blind individuals they need to know what is going on during the video. > That can be done by changing the voice script. I used to work for a > radio station in the advertising department and was very familiar with > targeting the correct demmographics or audience. For example when > doing up a video, where your target group is blind persons, one would > not say, "Click on the icon over here or, this icon." > This concludes my brief history and is the end of instructions. LOL. > >> On 2/27/17, Scott Granados wrote: >> I absolutely love this sort of thing. I love how coding enables small >> groups or individuals to solve these problems that years ago would have >> costed hundreds of thousands of dollars to solve now can be done in your >> home with lower overhead. I’m going to follow this project and wish you >> a >> lot of luck with the idea. >> >>> On Feb 27, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm the blind guy in there haha. I designed the software behind it, and >>> my >>> good friend has been helping with the hardware. >>> >>> We'll be making another video with more description and details about >>> what >>> it can do exactly, but we currently have several beta testers locally >>> who >>> are giving us feedback on things to improve etc. >>> >>> Also, we're making it expandable especially for the navigation part, as >>> we >>> want to include a path maker using the app's map capabilities, which >>> orients the user towards each path point clicked on by the device. >>> >>> We'll definetely improve our next video though. Thanks for the feedback >>> :) >>> >>> have a great day On 28/02/2017, at 10:21 AM, David and his growing pack of dogs. Benny, no longer with us his memory lives on through wrote: I watched and listened to the youtube video. To me, it seemed to be targeting the sighted or low vission clientele. The blind person introducing it seemed to be more of a shill rather then a designer. You are correct, it should have come with discriptive video. There were several things in the video that should have been explaned in order to target the correct audience. Sorry, but it seemed to be almost promoted like you would a new toy for boys to play with. > On 2/27/17, Yuma Decaux wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Hope all are enjoying the amazing times we are living in terms of > accessibility. > > Here's some information about a device called the macaron. It > measures > everything and
Re: Thought I would press that button but too much of it tells me not to
Its a free world sir Sent from sputnik7 On 19/04/2015, at 1:00 am, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote: I think we are tired of your comments on this -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yuma Decaux Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 07:50 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Thought I would press that button but too much of it tells me not to Hi All, I’m that guy who wrote that satirical experience at the apple store to fumble with a dead watch before arrival, unlike a dead on arrival watch. Don’t know which one is better. To be sincere, I yesterday pushed a button for the space grey 42mm with space grey link bracelet, the most expensive one. This is not because I like fashion, it’s because the sleekest most discrete and functionally solid one seems to be the most expensive. And since I wish or wanted to or was going to use it everyday by trying lots of tests coding apps for it, I thought it might be better to do it right while I’m there. So I pressed the button, but now I’m hard pressed to press yet another button, the cancel order one. More and more of my sighted friends, a few of my VIP friends and article after article of the trends going on, from apple going to bed with wall street as opposed to when jobs was there, apple becoming less focused on real experiences but increasing a bucket load of bullshit experiences, sending luxury brand fahsionistas, famous singers etc on a long list to wear a custom watch no one will be able to get anyway, as marketing tools instead of those really imaginative and creawtive ways jobs and his team used to have to make it dreamy, fun and edgy, from all this pep talk about the best this and that, I find the apple experience to be fading into a set of what used to be great advances to rushing to get something out. Read the article below, it really drives it thoroughly. http://www.fastcodesign.com/3042987/you-guys-realize-the-apple-watch-is-going-to-flop-right And now, going through my assignments in higher maths and artificial intelligence, I kind of see the watch as something I’ll probably leave on a desk to gather dust after a month or so of charging it all the time just to get text notifications, a few haptic pokes from fb or plain getting self conscious of lifting my arm to ask siri something, of which half the stuff will be erroneous anyway. There’s far more interesting stuff to do, such as use that 1600 AUD dollars to buy an extra 64 raspberry 2 mini computers with which I can apply my knowledge in A.I and do way more cool shit than talk to my watch for the weather and be its energetic slave, just because people said its gorgeous looking. Function over form. I think I’m off to find a different, less expensive (like a tenth), more simple and battery efficient health band, the jawbone up 4. Really, I wanted to jump on this but in the end my intuition says “fuck it, not worth the bucks”. Cheers, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: glad I didn't pre order
That’s a good point. it’s an interesting proposition, but I’d rather find someone around me who has one on which I can test it out than pre order, find out its not good for my needs and go through the process of sending it back. I might change my mind in a month or two but there will be other purchases I most probably am looking forward to in the meantime. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 14/04/2015, at 12:16 am, Rick Alfaro rick.alf...@gmail.com wrote: You make a lot of valid points but you are forgetting about the 14 day no questions asked return policy. I’ve preordered mine but plan to make use of the return policy if I feel the watch doesn’t suit my needs. It’s simple, get the watch and try it out for yourself and just return it if you don’t like it. Best regards, Rick Alfaro From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yuma Antoine Decaux Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 11:55 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: glad I didn't pre order i read your comments and placed everything on 1st generation. Wasn’t that my point altogether from the start? As in “people, please do consider this as it is a 1st gen device and you will be the test subject for apple to improve it.”. When you think of it this way, so you would accept all of these issues and go ahead still with the purchase? It’s like a fridge company that will tell you it has a tech that can alert you when your milk is low, but please hang on as it’s buggy. We will charge you 3000 dollars for the fridge, but hang on, the features we’ve introduced but don’t work very well right now will be fixed at some point? Isn’t this how android is? And isn’t this exactly what The CEO used as example to lambast android phones? If you take it one step further, a standard customer is invited to check a dead box with a demo running on loop, then invite you to pre order the watch. it’s only when you get it that you can have an intelligent estimation of the thing. As if I was going to buy a game console with all sorts of stuff being promoted on it, I go to Nintendo or microsoft, and they have a box there with some videos running out of its dvd, but I can’t do anything with it to test whether I want to buy it. But touching it is giving my fingers an orgasm. So due to my fingers loving the touch, I’ll buy it. Isn’t that coaxing? Gentle cohertion to be more precise. or even if I read about this crazy new furniture that makes me build muscles even as I sit on it working on a computer. I get the usual “this is the most ergonomic chair in the world”, “it’s fibro elaster polymer set to precision of nanometers for the double stitching is done with premium grade graphine nanotuves” etc etc, then I go to the furniture shop, and they have a dummy demo that I can’t sit on because it’s not done, but I can pre order it for a price that is double from the rest, but trust us, we’re banana republic and our history of office chairs precedes us. Anyway, I’m here for the discussion, hopefully no one takes offence from my words, I’m very sarcastic and stuff but this is my nature, and it has no malevolent intention. Just sincere as an old school tech geek who loves his gadgets and who also loves seeing the potentials. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 13/04/2015, at 11:54 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote: See below for comments. I've tried to be as fair as I can be, but it seems like you are determined to hate this device and won't consider it in any way useful. I saw no positive comments in the quotes you used, for instance. Anyway, here goes… On Apr 12, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Here’s a list of quips about the watch. I’ll wait for next year’s version instead of jumping on the thread with just touching the thing without even testing its functionalities. content list 10 items • Topolsky says that the Watch too often interrupts him with notifications while he’s trying to do other things. “I’m in a meeting with 14 people, in mid-sentence, when I feel a tap-tap-tap on my wrist… A version of this happens dozens of times throughout the day — for messages, emails, activity achievements, tweets, and so much more. Wait a second. Isn’t the promise of the Apple Watch to help me stay in the moment, focused on the people around me and undisturbed by the mesmerising void of my iPhone? So why do I suddenly feel so distracted?” I have to wonder if he took the time to set it up. You are meant to decide which
Re: glad I didn't pre order
Nah, I’m just trying to get myself to buy one of them, even if its the cheapest one, so I can test all of its features out and see for myself if I can write an app taht would be worth the new paradigms. There are a lot of factors to include in the developer side of things, such as how the 3rd party apps are actually streamed in from the phone instead of being natively available on the watch. 2 gb is not much, but I would have expected apps outside of apple ones to install on the watch. Another component I’m looking at is the phone feature. I was told at the apple shop that we are advised to use the watch 30 seconds maximum at a time. So what happens when people call you? The watch can take calls, but what if conversations actually go over 30 seconds? The battery drain will then be significant. One app I would really like to try is something navigational like ariadne gps, but again I don’t know when and if the developer will program for this one, and what paradigm will be used to make the app actually functional. All these questions I believe are relevant, and therefore investigating what others think is pretty valid. I would also like to know if the watch face can have brightness set to 0, which will add to battery life, and given an app by app configuration, as you’ve mentioned it, would help a lot too. All this in the end is speculation though. Looking forward to one of the blind users to actually review it after a month or so with it, and I will see if the purchase can be justified, if not only for app developement on it. Take care, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 13/04/2015, at 11:54 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: See below for comments. I've tried to be as fair as I can be, but it seems like you are determined to hate this device and won't consider it in any way useful. I saw no positive comments in the quotes you used, for instance. Anyway, here goes… On Apr 12, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Here’s a list of quips about the watch. I’ll wait for next year’s version instead of jumping on the thread with just touching the thing without even testing its functionalities. content list 10 items • Topolsky says that the Watch too often interrupts him with notifications while he’s trying to do other things. “I’m in a meeting with 14 people, in mid-sentence, when I feel a tap-tap-tap on my wrist… A version of this happens dozens of times throughout the day — for messages, emails, activity achievements, tweets, and so much more. Wait a second. Isn’t the promise of the Apple Watch to help me stay in the moment, focused on the people around me and undisturbed by the mesmerising void of my iPhone? So why do I suddenly feel so distracted?” I have to wonder if he took the time to set it up. You are meant to decide which notifications make it to your Watch, not just leave *everything* enabled. How often do you disallow notifications from an app on your phone? Same thing here; you tailor notifications to fit what you want to know about now. • Patel says the Watch is too slow. “The Apple Watch, as I reviewed it for the past week and a half, is kind of slow. There’s no getting around it, no way to talk about all of its interface ideas and obvious potential and hints of genius without noting that sometimes it stutters loading notifications.” I've heard that as well, but Apple did tell all reviewers that a software update would be coming to address that problem before the public launch on April 24. • Manjoo says the Watch, unlike the iPhone or iPad, is not for “tech novices.” ” There’s a good chance it will not work perfectly for most consumers right out of the box, because it is best after you fiddle with various software settings to personalise use. ” Sorry, I don't get this one. Your iPad has to know your iCloud information, then you have to go manually download any apps you want, manually configure mail accounts, set up your Notification Center and push notifications how you want them, log into all your social media accounts, and so on. No computer is going to be perfectly configured for you right out of the box, and I can't understand this complaint from the reviewers. • Manjoo also says Watch apps don’t work very well. “The Uber app didn’t load for me, the Twitter app is confusing and the app for Starwood hotels mysteriously deleted itself and then hung up on loading when I reinstalled it.” I can't comment directly here, as I of course don't have one, but all those are third party apps, correct? Who's to say those developers aren't at least partly to blame? Plus, these review units are still technically betas. If the final release has such problems, then yes, that won't be a pretty sight. :) • Manjoo says you have
13 fun ways to use an apple watch
In the 13 series, I start with the fun ways, and as more serious uses come to mind I’ll post other thematics such as “critical , “business”, “Helpful” etc. Enjoy 1-Watch a super HD cricket match on it while commuting on the subway 2-let the watch tell you if the shit you just took is a good health decision 3-play a 10 by 10 sudoku using the “psych rock” theme watch face 4-Connect the iphone to the apple watch, the apple watch to bluetooth headphones, the headphones to the apple TV and the apple TV to your mac. for a spectacular disco ball sound effect that will suck your batteries dry in no time 5-Yell orders to your banker-on-your-wrist about your stock moves while sitting at a coffee shop, emphasise the stock moves 6-buy a battery charger for your watch and make a fashion statement 7-Use the watch as a kegel ball 8-Check the number of pulses you made during orgasm and exchange graphs with your buddies 9-Learn morse code and play ticktionary with friends around the world while bored on a flight 10-Show your friends you’re a dork by typing a thesis on the watch’s office app 11-Buy every different bracelet and be a different watch owner everyday 12-Send spam heartbeats on popular dating sites 13-put the watch around your chihuahua’s neck and use it as a gps tracker/rallyer Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: glad I didn't pre order
i read your comments and placed everything on 1st generation. Wasn’t that my point altogether from the start? As in “people, please do consider this as it is a 1st gen device and you will be the test subject for apple to improve it.”. When you think of it this way, so you would accept all of these issues and go ahead still with the purchase? It’s like a fridge company that will tell you it has a tech that can alert you when your milk is low, but please hang on as it’s buggy. We will charge you 3000 dollars for the fridge, but hang on, the features we’ve introduced but don’t work very well right now will be fixed at some point? Isn’t this how android is? And isn’t this exactly what The CEO used as example to lambast android phones? If you take it one step further, a standard customer is invited to check a dead box with a demo running on loop, then invite you to pre order the watch. it’s only when you get it that you can have an intelligent estimation of the thing. As if I was going to buy a game console with all sorts of stuff being promoted on it, I go to Nintendo or microsoft, and they have a box there with some videos running out of its dvd, but I can’t do anything with it to test whether I want to buy it. But touching it is giving my fingers an orgasm. So due to my fingers loving the touch, I’ll buy it. Isn’t that coaxing? Gentle cohertion to be more precise. or even if I read about this crazy new furniture that makes me build muscles even as I sit on it working on a computer. I get the usual “this is the most ergonomic chair in the world”, “it’s fibro elaster polymer set to precision of nanometers for the double stitching is done with premium grade graphine nanotuves” etc etc, then I go to the furniture shop, and they have a dummy demo that I can’t sit on because it’s not done, but I can pre order it for a price that is double from the rest, but trust us, we’re banana republic and our history of office chairs precedes us. Anyway, I’m here for the discussion, hopefully no one takes offence from my words, I’m very sarcastic and stuff but this is my nature, and it has no malevolent intention. Just sincere as an old school tech geek who loves his gadgets and who also loves seeing the potentials. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 13/04/2015, at 11:54 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: See below for comments. I've tried to be as fair as I can be, but it seems like you are determined to hate this device and won't consider it in any way useful. I saw no positive comments in the quotes you used, for instance. Anyway, here goes… On Apr 12, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Here’s a list of quips about the watch. I’ll wait for next year’s version instead of jumping on the thread with just touching the thing without even testing its functionalities. content list 10 items • Topolsky says that the Watch too often interrupts him with notifications while he’s trying to do other things. “I’m in a meeting with 14 people, in mid-sentence, when I feel a tap-tap-tap on my wrist… A version of this happens dozens of times throughout the day — for messages, emails, activity achievements, tweets, and so much more. Wait a second. Isn’t the promise of the Apple Watch to help me stay in the moment, focused on the people around me and undisturbed by the mesmerising void of my iPhone? So why do I suddenly feel so distracted?” I have to wonder if he took the time to set it up. You are meant to decide which notifications make it to your Watch, not just leave *everything* enabled. How often do you disallow notifications from an app on your phone? Same thing here; you tailor notifications to fit what you want to know about now. • Patel says the Watch is too slow. “The Apple Watch, as I reviewed it for the past week and a half, is kind of slow. There’s no getting around it, no way to talk about all of its interface ideas and obvious potential and hints of genius without noting that sometimes it stutters loading notifications.” I've heard that as well, but Apple did tell all reviewers that a software update would be coming to address that problem before the public launch on April 24. • Manjoo says the Watch, unlike the iPhone or iPad, is not for “tech novices.” ” There’s a good chance it will not work perfectly for most consumers right out of the box, because it is best after you fiddle with various software settings to personalise use. ” Sorry, I don't get this one. Your iPad has to know your iCloud information, then you have to go manually download any apps you want, manually configure mail accounts, set up your Notification Center and push notifications how you want them, log into all your social media accounts, and so on. No computer is going
glad I didn't pre order
Here’s a list of quips about the watch. I’ll wait for next year’s version instead of jumping on the thread with just touching the thing without even testing its functionalities. content list 10 items • Topolsky says that the Watch too often interrupts him with notifications while he’s trying to do other things. “I’m in a meeting with 14 people, in mid-sentence, when I feel a tap-tap-tap on my wrist… A version of this happens dozens of times throughout the day — for messages, emails, activity achievements, tweets, and so much more. Wait a second. Isn’t the promise of the Apple Watch to help me stay in the moment, focused on the people around me and undisturbed by the mesmerising void of my iPhone? So why do I suddenly feel so distracted?” • Patel says the Watch is too slow. “The Apple Watch, as I reviewed it for the past week and a half, is kind of slow. There’s no getting around it, no way to talk about all of its interface ideas and obvious potential and hints of genius without noting that sometimes it stutters loading notifications.” • Manjoo says the Watch, unlike the iPhone or iPad, is not for “tech novices.” ” There’s a good chance it will not work perfectly for most consumers right out of the box, because it is best after you fiddle with various software settings to personalise use. ” • Manjoo also says Watch apps don’t work very well. “The Uber app didn’t load for me, the Twitter app is confusing and the app for Starwood hotels mysteriously deleted itself and then hung up on loading when I reinstalled it.” • Manjoo says you have to use Siri to use the Watch, and Siri still stinks. “I grew used to calling on Siri to set kitchen timers or reminders while I was cooking, or to look up the weather while I was driving. And I also grew used to her getting these requests wrong almost as often as she got them right.” • Patel says the Watch, unlike the iPhone, requires two hands to use. “ You simply can’t one-hand the Apple Watch…because it’s a tiny screen with a tiny control wheel strapped to your wrist, you have to use both hands to use it, and you have to actually look at it to make sure you’re hitting the right parts of the screen. • Topolsky says the Watch isn’t a very good watch. “I’ve found the experience somewhat inferior to that with a conventional wristwatch, due to one small issue. The Apple Watch activates its screen only when it thinks you’re looking at it…Think about the way people normally look at their watches, then make it twice as aggressive.” • Patel says it’s not as good as an iPod at playing music. “Remember when turning sixth-generation iPods into watches was a thing? That nano did a great job of displaying a lot of music information on a tiny screen, and the Apple Watch does not.” • Patel says it’s not a very good communications device. “There’s no doubt that being able to send quick replies from your wrist is a powerful idea; it’s the stuff of science-fiction legend, and every smartwatch has to be able to do it. But the Apple Watch is just the first step towards making that reality. It’s not anywhere close to being an actually-powerful communications tool, especially not when it’s competing with the phone in your pocket.” • Patel says the Watch isn’t a great fitness tracker. “Out of the box right now, the Apple Watch is a very expensive, barebones fitness tracker. It’s much nicer than its competitors — I used it with the white sport band and thought it was really quite striking — but it’s certainly not more full-featured.” Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Hands on Apple Watch
Awesome. you went to the store, checked it out, gave us a neutral this and that effect on the watch, and won’t buy it. It somewhat means that you had the option to choose and chose not to. My exact point. Choice is and should remain up to each and everyone. However, I’m not sure what you meant by saying that Tim cook is a gay CEO. If its others who mentioned it, then maybe it still remains a point for some people no matter their level of understanding of those who have these inclinations. On the other hand, it does seem very clear to me that he does give a damn. he appeared across lots of networks saying that he was discriminated and is proud to have these inclinations. And to say that he doesn’t give a damn, are you trying to enflame something here? If he doesn’t give a damn about his sexual preferences, then he wouldn’t talk about it, place an emphasis on gender equality at work, etc etc. I actually commend him for that, but apple is a tech company. Tech companies should do tech not politics. Take your sources the right way Joanne. And if you meant that tim cook doesn’t give a damn about a bunch of loyal customer’s gripes, then that’s another story altogether which I won’t open here as it is your opinion, not mine. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 7:13 pm, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: Hands on Apple Watch The following is my personal opinion and my first hands on impression and review on the watch. It is unusual for me to look in to the Apple Store on the second day of the product launge. Since Apple Store exist on my local area, i usually will be there the first thing in the morning, of the launge day. However, i was too busy on doing other things to even remember it yesterday, and when i finally remember the day, it was a little too late. Anyway, i went in to the store today, and thankfully, those staff knows me well enough to get me on to the front of the cue, and have someone helping me almost immidiately to show me the watch. i have the privilege to touch and feel on two models of the Apple Watch, the Apple Watch Sport model, and the Apple Watch stainless steel model. with two different sizer, the 38MM and 42MM model. Note: i was massuring some of the following findings against my 1990+ BabyG sport watch, with fabrick material, a late 2000+ Swatch Watch, with the plustic bend, and also a RNIB basic braille watch that is about 15PS. The BabyG and the Swatch watch were in the high $200USD mart, while the braille watch was about 15 to 20 pounds. Weight wise, the apple sport model were the second lightest, and yes, it is even lightter than the BabyG Sport watch, and also the braille watch. It is pretty similar to the Swatch watch. I would consider tthe watch as one of the lighter watch in general, compare to most expensive watch that i come across. It is very sollert build, and very classy finished, as i would have expect from Apple. However, the Apple Stainless Steel model were heavier than the RNIB Watch, but it is, similar weight to the BabyG sport watch. Please note, the BabyG watch is just a digital watch that able to tell time and date, and alarm. After all, we are talking about the 1990+ era. When the apple watch specialist show me the watch, she pretty much go through the basic function briefly, but unfortunately, they are not allow to pare with any devises, or show with any function beside the demo loop that is already on the watch. This could be something that voiceover people might want to be aware. Maybe different in different store, but in the Apple Store in Adelaide, they are not allow to pare with any devise, or activate any functions, beside what is already in the watch itself. It might change in the next weeks, but they are not certain. The watch face itself in square, the 38mm or 42mm square, and The vibration patton was strong, much more significant than the Fitbit and the up fitness wriskban. it has two buttons, one round and one long button on the right side of the watch face for on and off, and also, getting in to settings, volumes, and all sorts of different things. Of course, you can also use the fancy taps to activate different functions and activities as well. On the back of the watch, there is a roundish face on top of the square. From my understand, and how the specialist explain to me, this is where your fitness stuff build in, and also, the charging dock. The way to charge the watch is by some sort of magnetic macanism, or, in her word works like an induction cooktop. You put your watch, or the watch face on this charging dock and that it goes. There is no any physical jack, so, i assume that the only way to use with voiceover is either via the speaker, or using with bluetooth headphone. The apple specialist clame that the watch can lost
Re: I'm not disappointed but am looking forward.
Oh my god I can see the age gap now. it’s incredible how from generation to generation some can understand things that are going on and others just bite the apple :) And the discussion is now about what bracelet to buy and how to get the bracelet one wants. Fashion is on this mailing list. I love it. No really, i find it super duper cute. Ok seriously boys and girls, enjoy your new toy when you get it and report back on whether I’ll be able to make a hotspot with the watch for my apple TV while I’m taking a dump in the plane on the way to south america. Take care yall lol Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 12/04/2015, at 10:01 am, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: From my understanding of what the watch specialist told me, yes, it is interchangable. As far as what to what, i'm not sure. But, you can also configure your apple sport watch to the apple watch strap itself. From my prospective, i don't see why not. The watch shape itself doesn't change. the 38MM and 42MM have the same shape, just make from different material. If you keep the 38mm size within the 38mm straps, and the 42mm within the 42mm straps, i don't see how it won't work. Especially when we are talking between the watch and the sport and perhaps the edition itself. Again, that is my understanding, and that is how she put it to me. It could be totally wrong, in fact, i think, they have quite a few unsure points, as just learn the product themselves within the last 48 or 72 hours, they are still pretty much learning as they go. Joanne Chua Send from my iPad On 12 Apr 2015, at 9:08, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com mailto:listse...@me.com wrote: You guys are quite sure that the strap on the Apple Watch Sport can be changed for one that is supplied for the Apple Watch? Why doesn’t Apple list those straps alongside the Sport, then? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Apple concept would require users to input health data to keep using their iPhone
I think it would be wise for you to not include things like religion in the mix, Joanne. You’ve mentioned homosexuality in the thread about your review on the apple watch, which you decided not to buy anyway and now you are making an allegory between a tech company and religion. Since apple is a company, not a religion, arrogance is a term taht can be coined to it in lieu of the topics generated on this list, but you are coining religion with the term arrogance, by eliciting those who follow a certain faith, which itself is thousands of years older than apple which itself is 40 or so years. So you’re again comparing apples to oranges, or in this case apple with a book. meaning you are fusing politics in the tech world with geo theological discussions which are off topic, and also capable of arousing uncomfortable sentiments in the list. Take care, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 7:18 pm, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: If this is consider arrogance, giving the user the option is consider arrogance, that could be say for some religion, that command and demand their followers to do certain things, practice certain things, what to eat and what not to eat too. Why people doesn't consider religion as arrogance, but would consider Apple, when they giving you option as arrogance? And, if you do go to a PT (personal training) session, that is what they exactly they will ask you to do anyway. So, what is the different? If you going to pay hundrets and hundrets of $$$ for a PT or some sort of dietry experts telling you to do, why not using the health functions on the devise? And again, the key word here is option, not force to. Last i check, 'option' and 'force' got totally different defination. On 11/04/2015, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: As far as I'm concerned, this is the height of arrogance on the part of Apple, trying to tell us what's healthy and what isn't. As if anyone had all the answers. They seem to be trying to turn us all into obsessive-compulsives! Cheers, Anne On 11 Apr 2015, at 05:49, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: Careful reading of this article suggests that it in fact would be a user option. The required bit does not mean if you do not comply, you do not get to use your iPhone. It means, if you set this up, your iPhone acts as a coach ensuring you follow your regimen. From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/10/2015 8:32 PM, Mary Otten wrote: I don't think something like that would ever fly in this country. Americans do not like being told what to do with respect to their personal lives and habits. I can't imagine anybody in Apple marketing letting this one slipped through. I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Smile. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 10, 2015, at 7:33 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com mailto:bhad...@gmail.com wrote: http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/03/26/apple-concept-would-require-users-to-input-health-data-to-keep-using-their-iphone Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com mailto:bhad...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today
Superb reply. Really informative mate Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 2:53 am, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote: Well then don’t buy one From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Yuma Antoine Decaux Sent: Friday, April 10, 2015 09:52 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today Hi All, points taken but they don’t sell me on it. The price is just criminal. I would rather have something that altogether gets rid of the screen and is used as a notification/orientation/sensor device that can send relevant information to the iphone. Case of having bluetooth earbuds or earphones is adding yet another device to charge. I’m basing all of my opinions on elegance not only of material choice but also elegance in lifestyle. Keeping a tab on your device charges is not elegance, it’s accounting. I agree that there can be interesting applications with health and motion but again, this could be placed as a very nice little slab necklace type thing, like maori necklaces say, getting rid of energy sucking features such as touch screens and the yada yada on the current incarnation of the watch. Sometimes it makes no sense to cram a technology taht seems to be useful for one thing and paste it all over the place. In fact, I’m working on arduino prototypes attaching all sorts of sensors to make such a device, obviously its bulkier than apple stuff for now, but these I’m creating for proof of concept, not marketability. In any case, apple watch is something that has been overly and strategically marketed, and listening to cook and ive hyping the crap out of it already signals there’s manipulation in this. It seems more likely that the second or even third reincarnations will be a much better view closer to what people imagine in a smart watch. Take for instance the simple fact that star trek had thought of dissasembling atom by atom a human person to beam them up between ship and planet, but their freaking communicators were like archaic one button talkie walkies. So we have tech evolution on our side, but this watch is made up of fanfare and sales pitching. Really, it doesn’t matter if the watch has 2 gigs of music on it. I have 64 gigs on my phone. Siri might be cool to talk to asking for stuff, but as I said, you can only really do that in a quiet place. This is the catch 22. In a quiet public place, you sound stupid asking stuff to the phone, plus its nicer if people around weren’t hearing what you’re saying. Second, again plugging earphones on a watch is a cyborg manifesto gone mass public commercial. It’s vulgar. Anyway, please do give some accounts on your experiences once its in your hands. Best regards, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 2:21 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com mailto:deblewi...@gmail.com wrote: I'm looking forward to the connections to the health apps. I know there are other devices that do this but over time I do expect this may be the most accessible and integrated. On 4/10/15, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote: Hi Yuma, thanks for sharing your experiences. That was an interesting read. I ordered my Apple Watch a few hours ago, not an easy task because it's not being sold here in New Zealand at launch. I ordered it because I've received a lot of customer inquiries about whether I'll write a book about it, and whether I can provide training, so for me, the watch is a business expense. If I didn't have a business reason for buying one, I reckon I'd sit this one out. I have yet to see much of a use case for this product at all. I wear a Braille watch, and I love being able to tell the time quietly and unobtrusively, especially in boring meetings when I'm counting the minutes. Like you, I walk around with my phone connected to earbuds, or in my case cabled to my hearing aids. My phone is in my pocket at all times, and by good use of notification sounds, I know when there's a notification I really need to attend to right now. I also use a Focus 14 Blue Braille display which is around my neck, so I already have a great, silent tool for checking things without taking the phone out of my pocket if that's what I want. When I use the watch, I may feel differently and decide I can't imagine life without it, but right now I don't see why I'd feel that way. I would like to just make a few small points based on the research I've done to date, in case
Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today
Hi Alex, You seem to miss the point. I am an apple buyer since its early days. Marketing was always there, and its the reason why I have stuck to it. But it has evolved to forget that it’s supposed to not follow the microsoft route, with products loosing focus and having that right balance between useability, features and experience. To say the least, adding another thing to charge which itself costs more than the phone to me is ridiculous. If its not to you, then maybe I’m missing something you know better than me, but to this point, you don’t have one. Second, I’m recommending to wait for the next installment. And I’m also here to give my experience of how it felt. And it felt like a very cheesy marketing stunt, the waiting period, the myth and hype behind, etc. I won’t be surprised to know that a lot of people will feel a bit ripped off with this price tag and the features it has. if you want to complicate your life with more gadgets that add a few more things to your life, suit yourself my friend. But My point about always having my phone on plugs when I walk out sticks. And therefore it makes no sense to buy a wrist watch, especially one that needs taking on and off, that can’t take a shower, that you need to be careful with, when your phone’s in the pocket and does 10 times more than the watch. Like I said, if it was slick and discreet, not flashy as it has been made this time around, maybe my perspective would be different. Finally, if you’re sold by something with marketing alone, I feel sorry for you mate. But I’d rather be pessimistic about anything anyone is trying to sell me. Cheers for now Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 4:34 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I'm hearing that part of your problem with this device is that Apple has marketed it and drummed up interest? What kind of tech manufacturer wouldn't do this? To sell things, which is the goal of any company like Apple, you have to make people want what you have. If your product can't stand up, it won't sell and the company will figure something else out, and if it can, you have a hit. Saying that Apple has made people want this Watch is like saying that a restaurant makes you want their food. The price is high, yes, but that's Apple. Why do people pay extra for iPhones, iPads Airport stations, or Macs? Because the hardware is solid, the customer service is second to none, and many people have brand loyalty on top of that. This is no different. If you don't want to pay the price for an iPhone, you can find an Android phone that has most of the same features but isn't as expensive, yet may not last as long or be as versatile. Similarly, if you don't want an Apple Watch, there's the Gear Watch, the Peble, and others to choose from, though none are accessible. Yes, there's one smartwatch with basic TTS built in, but it can't compare to VoiceOver at the moment. I have no idea how this Watch will do, and I'm among those choosing to wait until the next generation. All I'm saying is that you can't fault Apple for doing what they do--marketing their products and charging their usual prices. On Apr 10, 2015, at 12:51 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, points taken but they don’t sell me on it. The price is just criminal. I would rather have something that altogether gets rid of the screen and is used as a notification/orientation/sensor device that can send relevant information to the iphone. Case of having bluetooth earbuds or earphones is adding yet another device to charge. I’m basing all of my opinions on elegance not only of material choice but also elegance in lifestyle. Keeping a tab on your device charges is not elegance, it’s accounting. I agree that there can be interesting applications with health and motion but again, this could be placed as a very nice little slab necklace type thing, like maori necklaces say, getting rid of energy sucking features such as touch screens and the yada yada on the current incarnation of the watch. Sometimes it makes no sense to cram a technology taht seems to be useful for one thing and paste it all over the place. In fact, I’m working on arduino prototypes attaching all sorts of sensors to make such a device, obviously its bulkier than apple stuff for now, but these I’m creating for proof of concept, not marketability. In any case, apple watch is something that has been overly and strategically marketed, and listening to cook and ive hyping the crap out of it already signals there’s manipulation in this. It seems more likely that the second or even third reincarnations will be a much better view closer to what people imagine in a smart watch. Take for instance the simple fact that star trek had thought
Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today
If toilet notification handling is the first thing that comes to mind my friend, then you made the right choice of taking the sports edition :). It’s pessimism because I touched the thing and was really dissapointed with the form factor which just doesn’t feel like apple. It’s not slick, its onerous and gaudy. It’s fat for a watch, even the smaller version, and you instantly know this is because of the battery restrictions. And the price really made me think about all the marketing trump. Maybe in the U.S it’s actually ok, but here in australia, 1500-1700 for the edition, knowing that it’s the same price for a 64 gig iphone, no marketing will do anything for me to notice this enormous discrepancy. I’m not fussy about prices in general when I find a product attractive, but as soon as it falls short of what i think is a good product, and trust me I have a lot of apple products and other gizmos, being a long time entrepreneur and being able to afford expensive stuff, this one just doesn’t fit the bill. Please do take the lead and show us the light, like what will change significantly in your life apart from having to charge an extra device daily and getting taps on your wrist at which point you have to fuss around with your wrist until you get to what you want. If siri was way better than now, this would be a much better selling point. Here’s hoping for apple to switch from nuance servers to an actual deep learning server cluster. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 8:55 am, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: I’m sorry, I just can’t understand the pessimism. Always the same with new Apple stuff: it will fail, it has no obvious use case, blah blah blah. Accessibility notwithstanding, I’m surprised people got nothing from the keynote address other than Apple Watch has the ability to send heartbeats and do doodles. Come on, guys. It’s a small device that you can wear on the wrist. Don’t you see any potential there at all? The remote control you’ve always wanted? The around-the-house communications device for the friends and family while your phone is docked and not weighing you down? Even the need for an iPhone is not so much of a deal, if the watch proves useful outdoors, because any place that you would go already sees you needing the phone for phone functions, regardless; your watch will always tether to a local phone, wherever you happen to be. So I preordered. I’ll take the leap. Why not? It might just be my imagination, but even now I have more fondness for my iPods than my iPhone as a music player—what’s to say the watch won’t make some of the things that are made clumsy by the need to pull out my phone and that I do all the time more enjoyable? I can’t know till I’ve tried it, so that’s what I’ll do, using the cheapest model available (Sport). I do acknowledge that Apple is a marketing-heavy company, and it’s always annoying to see the implementation fall short of the dream, so my hopes aren’t sky-high. Also, yes, I do think something has changed in the way Apple prioritises things; this product seems far more strained, for lack of a better word, and that may well be the result of executive decision-making that tends towards company growth rather than user satisfaction. But it’s no good dissing it till I’ve tried it, really. Well, anyway, I’m especially looking forward to handling incoming notifications while I’m on the toilet. :) Cheers, Sabahattin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today
It’s not about comparing the apple watch with another watch price wise. I Said that I have worn watches including a piget, a tag heueur and even a simple swatch. The experience of holding it on your wrist, design wise is already a no no when I wore the apple watch. Read a bit more before you jump to your one point t-shirt. Wearing the sports watch was especially ridiculous. The sales girl even talked about this design defect, saying “The sports watch is a bit finnicky and unstable because the sides of the watch give a lot of space between it and your wrist” then she points at it and goes “see?”. Primary source here people. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 9:16 am, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: FFor those that complain about how heavy the watch is, have you guys honestly ever see a real man watch in your life? Not talking about those cheapies that you might pick up on wall mart, or Cosco, but a real watch that is cost $300 and above? Have you guys, also, ever see other smart watch to compare with? Cause, as far as i'm concern, comparing a smart watch to a braille watch, or even to a talking watch is like comparing banana and lemon, and decideing which will be more benifitial for you, or simply comparing braille book and talking book, and deciding which you like the best... Oh, by the way, Swiss Seiko braille watch for women cost about $300USD, and of course, you can picked up a RNIB braille watch for around $30USD or even less too. And, like i mention before, a Swiss Rolex watch, ordinary watch for not ordinary people starting price is at least four figures... So, what do you compare the Appple Watch against? Against your $50 wall mart watch, your $10 talking watch, your $100 braille watch, your $300 EOne, or something else? And, what you compare the top edition watch with, the one that cost $17,000? Apple is not stupid, they market that to the people that might own 4 BMW, sitting at their carport, collecting dusts, people that buying a house with full loads of cash, peple that never need to do a single thing, and have $$$ simple flowing in to their back account every minisecond. As much as it is hard to believe, such population exist. And, i recall it very well, when the ipad came out, everyone have the same thing, whining ad complaining about how ipad is just the giant ipod, its useless and all that. Well, oh well, how many among us in this list alone, own an ipad, iphone, and the ipod? Joanne Chua Send from my iPad On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:30, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com mailto:kgli...@icloud.com wrote: Hi. I go to the Apple store tomorrow afternoon for an appointment to look at an Apple Watch. I've one in my basket but I'm interested in Voice Over plus I have other questions. Once I've seen it, I'll report back. I want it for the heart monitor as I explained before, I walk two hours a day. Kawal. On 10 Apr 2015, at 21:50, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! Yu make me Laugh. I have never understood the meaning of the apple watch nor other smart watches. I’ve touched a peble but was not impressed. I could actually by me an ipod nano and use that instead. /A 10 apr 2015 kl. 16:37 skrev Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com: Hi All, Just wanted to tell you guys what my first impression of an apple watch, as a design cue, on the instant the apple sales girl handed it to me. It almost felt as though she was unsure whether to hand it over after talking market stuff about it, and after a few tos and fros, I had the suspicion she had the same idea. It’s thick. Imagine a large toffee. with a button and a digital crown on the side. I was first handed the links bracelet model. And the truth is, I will wait for a way slimmer version. No matter the functionalities of this thing. The demo it gave, as we couldn’t test it out there and then, gave some impressions on the haptic. Sure, it gives you a very discreet tick on the wrist. Wow. Really? Amazing technology. Feel the sarcasm. But what still is stamped with hot iron in my mind is not this tick, but how ugly it felt in my hand with its thickness. Imagine thick enough so that you have a space on the sides of your wrist with both links and sports bands. You can fit a cigarette on either side. You just can’t find a position that leaves the bracelet flat over your wrist all around. Even that fancy metal mesh bracelet had a space. What struck me was that I when I said “This thing is rather thick”, the sales girl replied with a “Yeah, I was really surprised too”. I think this must have been a deal breaker for a lot of people going in there to see it. I couldn’t hear any oos or aahs anywhere. Checking both sizes
Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today
Hi Believer, Rightly said, however here’s a few points. there’s a product called usb to thunderbolt converter I’m forced to buy because i bought an apple product. Not saying this because I don’t like it, but its a design decision against standards that one or other company forces which forces me, the end of the food chain, to buy because I have other products which I use which are not compatible. All a matter of choice, and choice we have yet don’t have. you know why? Simply because we’re visually impaired and are restricted to what is available. I’m sure if you or i were sighted, we could very well be happy with a chromebook or an android. I reported this via mail because I was actually infuriated by the big gap between what was presented to me during the apple keynote and what I felt touched and heard from the apple store. And the freaking price. Same price as an iphone 6 64 gigs. Food for thought. And if you look at the reviews, they are mixed already, not unanimous like other quote unquote revolutionary products such as iphone or the good iteartive outings of macbooks and airs. So its more of a warning to others than my personal I think yada blahbbling. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 10:59 am, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: What I find so very interesting is how these types of discussions go on and on about new products, how some people state they would never buy it, yada yada yada. At the end of the day, what is the point? Don't like it? Its too heavy. Too big. Too expensive. Too small. Too cheap. Name a product that you are forced against your will to buy. Name one. I am not going to buy the Apple Watch simply because I have no need for a watch. Who cares? No one cares. Right and I don't care if some of you do not want to buy it either for any reason. Its not important. The Apple Watch may well be a nice product. But it sure as hell is not a must-have product. Mankind has survived without it for thousands of years. (smiles) From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/10/2015 4:41 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: Comments below. On Apr 10, 2015, at 5:55 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote: Come on, guys. It’s a small device that you can wear on the wrist. Don’t you see any potential there at all? The remote control you’ve always wanted? Doesn’t a new remote control interfere with the narrative that people are sitting too much? The around-the-house communications device for the friends and family while your phone is docked and not weighing you down? Even the need for an iPhone is not so much of a deal, if the watch proves useful outdoors, because any place that you would go already sees you needing the phone for phone functions, regardless; your watch will always tether to a local phone, wherever you happen to be. So, we are supposed to want to buy a new iPhone, but we aren’t supposed to want to have to touch it. We need to git a watch so we don’t actually have to directly use our new iPhones. I still am finding their messaging confusing.. So I preordered. I’ll take the leap. Why not? It might just be my imagination, but even now I have more fondness for my iPods than my iPhone as a music player—what’s to say the watch won’t make some of the things that are made clumsy by the need to pull out my phone and that I do all the time more enjoyable? You don’t want to have to handle your new iPhone. Actually, I think that there are applications that a wearable would make easier to use. But, I think those applications are limited. , yes, I do think something has changed in the way Apple prioritises things; this product seems far more strained, for lack of a better word, and that may well be the result of executive decision-making that tends towards company growth rather than user satisfaction. It looks to me like Apple trying to emulate Google. Well, anyway, I’m especially looking forward to handling incoming notifications while I’m on the toilet. :) Wow! Now I’m listening. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr
Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today
Hi Alex, Yes, I am with you on the potentials of this type of device, the applications that can come out of it are innumerable. it can help with orientation, being notified quickly and checking the notification etc but there’s another problem here, mainly because the watch had a lot of hours spent on for sighted users. The touch screen is the first proof. This means not that much time was spent for what I like to call the “functional ergonomy” of the watch in regards to visual impairment. Yes, the watch is supposed to be a seconds on off interaction that normally would make things easier for us. And it would be a great way of notifying us we are getting to a cross roads, or the shop we tagged on our locator is close by, any number of things to help us navigate. In fact, it would be good to have a separate thread talking about what we imagine is possible or potential with this, then this can spread out for apple to perhaps listen to those who have baught the watch this time around. Another line I follow you with is the 1st generation issues and kinks most products have. I had the first iphone and loved it. So much so that when I lost my sight, I still used braille stickers on the screen to access my standard apps before the 3gs came out with voice over. But it had battery issues. the ipad was a cool concept but it was seriously bulky. health trackers were cool but they lacked compatibility or other such things. But I would like people to remember that we, as visually impaired individuals, already have a restricted set of entertainment we can have. Whether lack of video games for the blind, I mean real ones not some throw bananas around stuff. Or social gathering opportunities, going to festivals, outdoors and hiking, camping etc (this could be a great idea for the watch, orient us in nature). And due to these restrictions, we tend to go straight for whatever will stimulate us a bit. And become almost cyborgs by consntantly fiddling with our phones and now watches. Life isn’t about this. it’s not about whether I can pick a notification a second faster than if I did it on my phone. There are two things that would nullify any concept of watch wearing. One is a proper bone induction earphone taht allows us to hear the environment as much as what is going on the device. Second is the proper set of apps with the proper sound paradigms to make things more intuitive. Yes, apple has made voice over for us and I can’t be thankful enough. However, standards or design paradigms must evolve, and there are millions of ways to provide notigications with sound cues and haptic feedback to mean one thing or the other. Therefore we shouldn’t pigeon hole ourselves in the voice over paradigm. Sorry for this longer mail, but the point is: I recommend waiting a bit more than shelling out all this cash unless you are in the U.S or have a contact there that can send it to you, bypassing the horrible australian prices. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 11:48 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Sorry, I've misrepresented my own position. I'm not sold by the marketing, and I'm not buying a Watch right now. I, too, will await generation 2; let the early adopters figure out the use cases, let Apple trick out the next Watch with way more than this one has, and fix the bugs the testers couldn't catch. I'm not interested in the new Macbook either, for the same reasons. All that said, none of us have one, and I wouldn't be as quick as you to categorically state that this device can't add to my daily life and will just be a burden I'll soon regret. I can definitely see the use cases for it, and I can see how it could be incredibly useful. As one great article recently put it, and I'm paraphrasing here: the Mac is for interactions of several minutes to several hours; the iPhone is for interactions of a few minutes, and until now, a few seconds. If you can deal with something in seconds, or just need a reminder about where to turn or what ingredient comes next, the Watch fills that gap. The iPhone isn't going away, it's being moved to where it fits best: the longer, but not too long, interactions. The Watch is there for the quick response to a text, or a note to a buddy, or a glance to see what your calendar has for the rest of the day. Does your phone have all this? Yes, of course it does, but which is easier: tapping a watch, or hitting the button on your phone, touching the status bar (which I still sometimes miss), doing a three finger swipe down, and finally finding the Calendar heading, assuming you didn't also need to switch from Notifications to Today? I'm rambling, I know. I guess my point is simply this: the Watch won't be for everyone--no product is--but I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss it completely
Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today
See, it’s about choice again. Yet choices force you to other choices. Like chess. If you make a move, you’re forced to make another one, and that’s where it cascades into having to make a lot more purchases than you initially thought of. A house is the biggest avalanche of custs one can decide on. Yet, if you have enough money you can also just rent a place. Financially, depending on where you are, it’s actually better not to buy a place outright because the admin council and sewage/garbage collection fees stack up to higher than rent. the only thing smarter would be to make sure the house will rise and go beyond inflation, and you might have a granny flat or room to rent out. My point again, choice. Here’s a good roundup of recommendations from various people about the watch: http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-truth-about-the-apple-watch-2015-4?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%253A+businessinsider+%2528Business+Insider%2529 http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-truth-about-the-apple-watch-2015-4?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29 Again, yes for a device that extends the capabilities of the phone, but I’m not sold on this fat toffee of a first try at watchmaking which is actually not very slick and I truly believe people will hit themselves on the head when the next one comes out, with either a new battery tech that can slim the thing down to actual superb rendition or enough kinks and design flaws will have made the actual watch statement valid. Because for now, even if I couldn’t see the dial, I would much prefer walking around with my seiko or one of the tag heuuers I still have in terms of statement than this thing which reminds me of the weird talking watch someone purchased for me once. Read the article and you will see each of the comments echo my initial points when I walked into that store yesterday. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 12:20 pm, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: Yuma, When the iPhone first came out, I had a hard time believing a blind person could use a touch screen when it eventually began to be made accessible. But at some point, I began to consider the merits of an iPhone. Then the time came for me to replace an old cell phone and I got the iPhone 5. Its now just over 2 years old and I am far from needing to look at newer models. I can see still using it 2 years from now, barring any unforseen incidents. The Apple Watch may well meet the needs of some people., Its not in my future. It sounds cool but that is as far as I go with it. If I out some thougt into it, I could come up with many products I was forced to buy but that was not my point. What you are saying is like buying some ground beef. Oh now I am forced to buy a skillet so I can cook it. (smiles) From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/10/2015 6:57 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Hi Believer, Rightly said, however here’s a few points. there’s a product called usb to thunderbolt converter I’m forced to buy because i bought an apple product. Not saying this because I don’t like it, but its a design decision against standards that one or other company forces which forces me, the end of the food chain, to buy because I have other products which I use which are not compatible. All a matter of choice, and choice we have yet don’t have. you know why? Simply because we’re visually impaired and are restricted to what is available. I’m sure if you or i were sighted, we could very well be happy with a chromebook or an android. I reported this via mail because I was actually infuriated by the big gap between what was presented to me during the apple keynote and what I felt touched and heard from the apple store. And the freaking price. Same price as an iphone 6 64 gigs. Food for thought. And if you look at the reviews, they are mixed already, not unanimous like other quote unquote revolutionary products such as iphone or the good iteartive outings of macbooks and airs. So its more of a warning to others than my personal I think yada blahbbling. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 10:59 am, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: What I find so very interesting is how these types of discussions go on and on about new products, how some people state they would never buy it, yada yada yada. At the end of the day, what is the point? Don't like it? Its too heavy. Too big. Too expensive. Too small. Too cheap. Name a product
Re: Just had my hands on an apple watch today
It’s reviews from people who have had it for weeks now. John Gruber of daring fireball, and others. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 12:49 pm, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: Perhaps it is choice, I see it as part of the initial decisuon. I have a Macbook Pro, and have added things to it but do not feel forced. Its first generation, let the pioneers blaze the trail for us. I can wait. I waited 5 generations for the iPhone. And let the brave pioneers smack themselves upside the head. For its true that because of those hardy souls, we reap the benefits down the road. Me, I have what I need today. I always laugh when the news covers the stories of people camping out overnight for Black Friday or new product releases. Reviews of a product that is not yet in anyone's hands? From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/10/2015 7:30 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: See, it’s about choice again. Yet choices force you to other choices. Like chess. If you make a move, you’re forced to make another one, and that’s where it cascades into having to make a lot more purchases than you initially thought of. A house is the biggest avalanche of custs one can decide on. Yet, if you have enough money you can also just rent a place. Financially, depending on where you are, it’s actually better not to buy a place outright because the admin council and sewage/garbage collection fees stack up to higher than rent. the only thing smarter would be to make sure the house will rise and go beyond inflation, and you might have a granny flat or room to rent out. My point again, choice. Here’s a good roundup of recommendations from various people about the watch: http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-truth-about-the-apple-watch-2015-4?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%253A+businessinsider+%2528Business+Insider%2529 http://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-truth-about-the-apple-watch-2015-4?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+%28Business+Insider%29 Again, yes for a device that extends the capabilities of the phone, but I’m not sold on this fat toffee of a first try at watchmaking which is actually not very slick and I truly believe people will hit themselves on the head when the next one comes out, with either a new battery tech that can slim the thing down to actual superb rendition or enough kinks and design flaws will have made the actual watch statement valid. Because for now, even if I couldn’t see the dial, I would much prefer walking around with my seiko or one of the tag heuuers I still have in terms of statement than this thing which reminds me of the weird talking watch someone purchased for me once. Read the article and you will see each of the comments echo my initial points when I walked into that store yesterday. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/04/2015, at 12:20 pm, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com mailto:ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: Yuma, When the iPhone first came out, I had a hard time believing a blind person could use a touch screen when it eventually began to be made accessible. But at some point, I began to consider the merits of an iPhone. Then the time came for me to replace an old cell phone and I got the iPhone 5. Its now just over 2 years old and I am far from needing to look at newer models. I can see still using it 2 years from now, barring any unforseen incidents. The Apple Watch may well meet the needs of some people., Its not in my future. It sounds cool but that is as far as I go with it. If I out some thougt into it, I could come up with many products I was forced to buy but that was not my point. What you are saying is like buying some ground beef. Oh now I am forced to buy a skillet so I can cook it. (smiles) From The Believer. . . By way of the Chariots of the Gods cameth the Aliens who dwelt amongst the humans, and bringeth much knowledge. On 4/10/2015 6:57 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Hi Believer, Rightly said, however here’s a few points. there’s a product called usb to thunderbolt converter I’m forced to buy because i bought an apple product. Not saying this because I don’t like it, but its a design decision against standards that one or other company forces which forces me, the end of the food chain, to buy because I have other products which I use which are not compatible. All a matter of choice, and choice we have yet don’t have. you know why? Simply because we’re visually impaired and are restricted to what is available. I’m sure if you or i were
are you done? Re: Peel the Apple list.
Pardon me for interjecting but I’m getting a bit tired with these backs and forths of politics and what I thinks about this or that, it’s really putting the number of mails up the roof, getting off topic (read the subject). Have you guys not other things to do? Why don’t you just go on an MIRC channel for this? This list does indeed really need some moderators to keep it under control. I’m one of the oldies in here and noticed how much slack people are throwing at each other. This is a space normally for help on mac and IOS. You are talking about another list and why and who is doing what and why you think this and that. Does it REALLY matter? Really, when life has so much more to offer? Think about it. You’re putting yourselves in a rabbit hole. I don’t want to hear these sub out of context topics. I’m really tempted to just leave this list since all these incidents have occured and no one seems to get the purpose of this place. Cheers, Thanks Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 31/03/2015, at 9:22 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: Likewise by far and away! --- Check out my web site at: http://www.clgproductions.net - Original Message - From: Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Peel the Apple list. I'll pass on joining your clique. If you feel that is unfair, sorry, but that is just my policy. On 03/30/2015 03:27 PM, Kliph wrote: It’s not rumors, it’s fact. The people that were not allowed on that list, i have been on other lists with. And they have bashed, and flamed others. Even emailed members privately and continued to harass them. So, no they were not bad for rumor, but for fact and evidence of the above reason. So if you choose not to join that group, I am pretty sure we will not cry. Our member base speaks for itself. On Mar 30, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Todor Fassl fassl@gmail.com wrote: I would not join that list as a matter of principle. I can understand having a strict invitation-only policy. I don't care who you are, if you haven't been invited, you can't join. But I don't like the idea of blackballing someone based on rumors of how they behaved on another list. That smacks of elitism. In otherwords, I think the option goes the wrong way. Instead of keeping people off because of their rep, they ought to be allowed on because of their rep. On 03/30/2015 12:58 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Well, I wonder who represents me then, as no one knows me on here so when I asked to join the list, one can't judge anyone unless something truly bad has been said. Just what I think. But now that the mess has been cleared up on this list, I am truly grateful. Kawal. On 30 Mar 2015, at 13:51, Kliph kliphzkor...@icloud.com wrote: It’s anoterh list that talks and helps with every thing apple. AppleTV, mac, iPad, iPhone, and even has an open discussion on the weekend for other topics like windows, android, and even that other screen reader. As for others whining and complaining about not gaining membership? We aprove members based on what we know about how they handle themselves on other lists, and trouble and banter that has been negative. So bottom line is, if you have a bad rep, and we have read, heard, or been emailed about it. Then that kind of member is not welcome on the peel the apple list. If you feel that is unfair, sorry, but that is just our policy. Especially after what happened on the macvisionaries list this past weekend. As for thoughs who do want to join the peel the apple list, and have not been there before. The info is below. Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV? New user and want quick efficient answers? Or maybe you know apple products and want to contribute? Then come join a list where questions are always answered, and we are always patient with you. Subscribe here: peel-the-apple+subscr...@googlegroups.com Short quick getting started Tutorials: http://peeltheapple.wordpress.com/ Or just follow us on twitter https://twitter.com/PealTheApple And ask your question there. All are welcome! On Mar 29, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote: What is the peal the apples list? On Mar 29, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote: I tried joining Peel the Apple list some time ago but was refused as I think the moderators of that list only let select people join that list as they only have favourites. I asked several times why I was not allowed to join but never got an answer. Kawal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email
Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces. 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complac ent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with hs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, should lead us much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, and let’s not forget screen readers. Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/macvisionaries/Hrdg_CQziQk/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you
Re: Markdown Editor
Hi, You can try pandoc. It’s a command line tool that exports from html to markdown, vice versa, latex to html or mark down, vice versa and many other formats. The command is as follows considering you are in a folder with your original .txt say /test/ and test.txt pandoc -o test.html test.txt where -o is the output to file and last argument is the source file. it works on unix linux and windows. Here’s the link: http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/ Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/03/2015, at 1:57 pm, Garth Humphreys ghu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I’m looking for a recommendation for a text editor that will support exporting of HTML from a document marked up with markdown. I have Byword which does this but looking for other options that people like. Thanks Garth -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
xcoders please help
Hi All, Any x code user here, could you tell me if you have a link or something about constraints in interface builder? I'm using version 6.1.1 and trying to figure this part out of a swift code book I'm reading through. best regards, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: xcoders please help
No actually it's fine. I thought I had to do it with the weird vo drag and drop type mess but it's pretty straight forward. Thanks though Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 20/02/2015, at 2:12 am, Tyler Thompson tktpianostud...@gmail.com wrote: I’d strongly recommend starting out by looking at the apple docs: https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AutolayoutPG/WorkingwithConstraints/WorkingwithConstraints.html https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/AutolayoutPG/WorkingwithConstraints/WorkingwithConstraints.html That being said I’m not a fan of the new auto-layout system. I usually uncheck the “use auto layout” box and either code my GUI elements to act the way I want or use the old “autoresizing” method. On Feb 19, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Any x code user here, could you tell me if you have a link or something about constraints in interface builder? I'm using version 6.1.1 and trying to figure this part out of a swift code book I'm reading through. best regards, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D
of the branches over the 3 axes, and each split contains a frequency wave. You can now start simulating with the node 3D sound API. -There are plenty of other examples of how nature works, physics is a good start for that, and that's what I'm taking this semster alongside some large programs and mini systems courses. Here you are. I've written a lot. This is because I know what I'm talking about. And ready to share it with yall because I'm sure ther are great suggestions from others in this group. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: /managing sound buffers (you can only have 16 at a time in OpenAL), handling stereo sound samples, generating sounds on the fly instead of relying on recorded audio, applying real-time filters or effects, managing occlusions and distance roll-offs -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
channel buffer restrictions
Alex, You've given me a good problem to think over. I'll try to come with a solution after I'm done here -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D
Hi Alex, I have the Js web audio API classes ready but reading the openal.audio python module, I think I can save a lot of processes and do everything in one language (save xml and lua for the world of warcraft interface) http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio To answer your question about the buffer channels. The buffer max is 16 megs. a lot of sounds can be shrunk, blended and refactored using fourrier's transforms. Also, by applying buffer queuing algorithms such that active sound sources and their positional information can be truncated into the right bytesize, considering that most or all of our computers are intel x86, and a lot of us using 64-bit. with 16 buffer channels, we have approximately 256 megs of sound clips and generated waveforms (on the fly) that can be queued using parallel algorithms. I was thinking of using the select() module for this purpose which listens and automatically fills the queue which can then be passed to each individual buffers. By quick calculation, this is how I see it: each observer (character in the game) has three areas (long, med, short). Anything long range dithers anyway in the perceptive field, so they can be blended through the queue and played back as a single long range pass, or pre recorded. Making a simulation first then recording can also work. Mid range has more definition but channel size restricted to 5 sources. The rest of the 10 channels can be various sources around the proximity of the player. I can even hypothesise a cheat which filters the types of sounds we want to hear. In regards to emulating higher channel counts, I think it will have to be again math based. Say you have a willow tree in front of you. there are about 35 odd branches, each with smaller branches and their leaves. clumps of leaves with small rustle signatures (this is just about function generation into the buffer) can be blended before being sent to the buffer. Kind of a premix before getting out there in the world. Again, bijectivity is super important to trace back and edit the raw as it comes. using the select module allows for automatic buffer dispatch for the first available one, since each buffer block say is the raw data and its positional/volume/others information. I don't think this will be much of a problem though it shows a technical restriction. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I won't pretend to understand all of this. My degree is computer science, not higher mathematics or engineering. Still, I'm intrigued, and would love to hear a practical example. To keep things on topic, would this library be usable from a Swift or Objective-C app for iOS or OS X? If so, can you give a real-world example of how? I understand representing things as sounds, but how would it handle in a real app? That is, what about loading/managing sound buffers (you can only have 16 at a time in OpenAL), handling stereo sound samples, generating sounds on the fly instead of relying on recorded audio, applying real-time filters or effects, managing occlusions and distance roll-offs, that kind of thing? Is there a mapping engine, where the programmer can lay out the world in some kind of XML or JSON format? Have I missed the point entirely? On Jan 10, 2015, at 10:31 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: I’ll get into more detail on the 3D sound part. It uses a node system, as mentioned earlier, to plug, unplug, blend or ratio fit one or more nodes t=which can be filters, user set paremeters or daisy chained hierarchies of sound buffers. So imagine you call a tree instance from my library. It uses phi and pi to generate the fractal links down to the leaf node. Each leaf node has physical properties which follow parent nodes with a coefficient, or a scalar value spread along the entire tree. Each node is a sound buffer or a set of sound buffers. Collision detection is made via matrix identification and eigan matrices. Now set a wind particle (full of bounding boxes) object that traverses the tree. Each collision triggers the sound of a rustle. in real 3D position relative to the user’s position. Now take these tree structures and use a spherical shape (revolving the nGon I mentioned earlier around its y axis) and pass it through a deformer (which changes scalar values of the vectors within the sphere). This deformer can use a set of physics class objects such as inertia, parabolic deviations, swirls, you name the geometric shape, there’s a math formulae for it. Consider that each vector or vertex is a bird in a school of birds. Apply an index to it, and use this other swarm algorithm I studied to create an array of bees, birds, fish, whatever. each, when colliding
Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D
Mathematics is the base language. The rest is inflexion. I don't see a reason why it cannot be converted. The pyobjc bridge allows for this. You're used to a MVC design pattern I suppose, with Model View Control. Then take all the python stuff as model data and pyobjc does the interface and control through x-code. I have looked at swift and I like the language so far. I have started with a web based set of languages because they are so efficient server side, and world of warcraft is a server side platform. I didn't see a reason to take all my time constructing C classes when some python modules are based in c anyway. Do you see where I'm heading at? Every language uses the same base concepts. They just differ in the writing of it. I know c language quite a little now that I have completed two courses using it, but so far I see better results and especially, faster ones using the expansive python module repository and finding everything or every component I need to make this happen. I understand that you have stayed at high school calculus, but I can't push enough the difference your code will experience when you delve into higher maths. In any case, I'm continuing this until I get a good solid working demo. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 12/01/2015, at 12:10 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: As before, I don't follow all of this. Computer science uses math, but nothing like this, and I didn't need anything past calculus 1. Still, I'd like to see the API, and (most importantly) to know if I can use all this in an iOS or Mac app written in Swift or Objective-C. If everything is condensed to a C or C++ library, I don't see why such integration couldn't happen, but I have no idea if the languages you're using would be compatible. I realize you are focused on web-based apps at the moment, so we might be on two different wavelengths here. On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, I have the Js web audio API classes ready but reading the openal.audio python module, I think I can save a lot of processes and do everything in one language (save xml and lua for the world of warcraft interface) http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio To answer your question about the buffer channels. The buffer max is 16 megs. a lot of sounds can be shrunk, blended and refactored using fourrier's transforms. Also, by applying buffer queuing algorithms such that active sound sources and their positional information can be truncated into the right bytesize, considering that most or all of our computers are intel x86, and a lot of us using 64-bit. with 16 buffer channels, we have approximately 256 megs of sound clips and generated waveforms (on the fly) that can be queued using parallel algorithms. I was thinking of using the select() module for this purpose which listens and automatically fills the queue which can then be passed to each individual buffers. By quick calculation, this is how I see it: each observer (character in the game) has three areas (long, med, short). Anything long range dithers anyway in the perceptive field, so they can be blended through the queue and played back as a single long range pass, or pre recorded. Making a simulation first then recording can also work. Mid range has more definition but channel size restricted to 5 sources. The rest of the 10 channels can be various sources around the proximity of the player. I can even hypothesise a cheat which filters the types of sounds we want to hear. In regards to emulating higher channel counts, I think it will have to be again math based. Say you have a willow tree in front of you. there are about 35 odd branches, each with smaller branches and their leaves. clumps of leaves with small rustle signatures (this is just about function generation into the buffer) can be blended before being sent to the buffer. Kind of a premix before getting out there in the world. Again, bijectivity is super important to trace back and edit the raw as it comes. using the select module allows for automatic buffer dispatch for the first available one, since each buffer block say is the raw data and its positional/volume/others information. I don't think this will be much of a problem though it shows a technical restriction. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I won't pretend to understand all of this. My degree is computer science, not higher mathematics
Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D
The reason why I like js is because recently apple has also adopted it for its scripting capabilities. It's much better suited than using a one application script language such as for jaws. With js, all UI elements in the entire system are accessible. And other js scripts can be plugged together to enhance the experience even within the OS. I've tested this, since 2 years ago, with GUI manipulations, UI element browsers, axaccessibility trees, etc. It's totally feasable. In Js at least, I have a functioning 3D setup. I just need to port the controls into js and pair the process with the sound API. And avoid a crap load of non desired announcements and replace it with sounds that go around me. Pair this with swift and you're still having performance apps working, and essentially accessible to everyone too. With the dB power that web provides. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 12/01/2015, at 12:21 am, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: I think web apps would be wonderful as long as speech is also included or sent to the os to process. I would although like to have a world to ecplore that is a regular app on iOS. Mine craft anyone? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote: As before, I don't follow all of this. Computer science uses math, but nothing like this, and I didn't need anything past calculus 1. Still, I'd like to see the API, and (most importantly) to know if I can use all this in an iOS or Mac app written in Swift or Objective-C. If everything is condensed to a C or C++ library, I don't see why such integration couldn't happen, but I have no idea if the languages you're using would be compatible. I realize you are focused on web-based apps at the moment, so we might be on two different wavelengths here. On Jan 11, 2015, at 8:52 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, I have the Js web audio API classes ready but reading the openal.audio python module, I think I can save a lot of processes and do everything in one language (save xml and lua for the world of warcraft interface) http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio http://pythonhosted.org/PyAL/audio.html#module-openal.audio To answer your question about the buffer channels. The buffer max is 16 megs. a lot of sounds can be shrunk, blended and refactored using fourrier's transforms. Also, by applying buffer queuing algorithms such that active sound sources and their positional information can be truncated into the right bytesize, considering that most or all of our computers are intel x86, and a lot of us using 64-bit. with 16 buffer channels, we have approximately 256 megs of sound clips and generated waveforms (on the fly) that can be queued using parallel algorithms. I was thinking of using the select() module for this purpose which listens and automatically fills the queue which can then be passed to each individual buffers. By quick calculation, this is how I see it: each observer (character in the game) has three areas (long, med, short). Anything long range dithers anyway in the perceptive field, so they can be blended through the queue and played back as a single long range pass, or pre recorded. Making a simulation first then recording can also work. Mid range has more definition but channel size restricted to 5 sources. The rest of the 10 channels can be various sources around the proximity of the player. I can even hypothesise a cheat which filters the types of sounds we want to hear. In regards to emulating higher channel counts, I think it will have to be again math based. Say you have a willow tree in front of you. there are about 35 odd branches, each with smaller branches and their leaves. clumps of leaves with small rustle signatures (this is just about function generation into the buffer) can be blended before being sent to the buffer. Kind of a premix before getting out there in the world. Again, bijectivity is super important to trace back and edit the raw as it comes. using the select module allows for automatic buffer dispatch for the first available one, since each buffer block say is the raw data and its positional/volume/others information. I don't think this will be much of a problem though it shows a technical restriction. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I won't pretend to understand all of this. My degree is computer science, not higher mathematics or engineering. Still, I'm intrigued, and would love to hear
Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D
Hi Alex, the reason why I started with python is that I initially wanted world of warcraft accessiblity. So that's the choice thing. I can port it to swift once I know better about the language. I will broadcast the entire structure and their scripts once its done and see if you can get any of the stuff inside, which I am sure you will :) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D
Hi Alex, Basically, I started it as a 3D engine, but now that I have applied all the mathematical rules and proofs on all of my primitive classes and their parent classes, I have started to realise that I am actually creating not only the engine but the connections for an interface using 3D positional sounds instead of graphics with the same matrix structure a visual 3D game would use. So the concept of this framework is to have a toolset for: 1-getting data from various file types and parse them into a separate database of elements, arrays within matrices, themselves within matrices. 2-A node system that connects the entire hierarchy of the 3D world, and a parsed interface in parallel. 3-A set of geometrical and physical tools (transforms, rotations, projections, spline behaviour, animation keypoints, boundaries, deflectors and warpers in various shapes which are also hierarchical, using either forward or inverse kinematics. I finished the nGon class which creates any shape from triangle to square all the way to a circle in a click, with local and world relative axes contained within the nGon object. This object will then be used among other data capsules in the wObject class which is either an interactable object, a character, AI or buildings. Considering that this is the basis for my venture into visual perception algorithms, I have made sure everything is optimised with the right helper tools and tree structure of classes collecting data from each other through either parallel processes or sockets. 4-The parallel processing and sockets are mainly server side, but These will be child classes of the voice conversation layer, which I will need some pointing towards so I don’t fall into coding for a crap module. 5-a set of server side tools using standard db methods (I’d like to use mongodb but will have to refresh myself and update the code to reflect) 6- Since all of these can be packaged into a module, ONce I have tested user intervace accessibility, I want to focus on structure comprehension with each platform, whether mac os or windows. Finally, once all the testing is made on WOW and players can start populating the official server, I will have a set of tools that satisfy the 3 tower multi agent concept invented by Bell and following robotics and AI scientists. Using the knowledge from the wow experience, I am going to integrate a set of sensors (infrared, sonar, bluetooth, gyro, temperature and humidity that will fit in a small stone like material (in this case, diamond I will produce with the diamond synthesising oven I purchased a few months ago. If you look at the parallel between the world I am coding, and how the software interacts with the world (for eg: when a player roams the world, with the log streams from the game’s console providing location information and other relative stuff, the software can gather that information from what I like to call single agents which are just the perceptive tower of the 3 tower algorithm used in AI. The information, topology, points of interest, perimeters, etc can all be called or instances created through my 3D math classes. If mapping out a virtual world is being done right now (hoping to finish this component by mid february), then nothing stops the software from swapping virtual world with sensors creating a rough outline of what’s around us. Using bounding boxes etc. And since there’s already a 3d audio layer, the sky becomes the limit. The reason why I am looking for blind programmers is because only blind users can really try to have an intuition as to the human computer interfacing methods. Like I said, I have a server with all services available to those who wish to participate, and the goal is to get 5-10 persons in game to discuss what needs to be changed between the UI selection methods (I have an empty key_bind class”), how the 3D engine will fare as the number of objects grows (though I am currently using the functional programming style and keeping algebraic complexity to a minimum, save fundamental formulaes, transforms and class instances. This particular section of my code uses 3 components: nodes, positional sound and a filter pass of each speech synthesis output to create the world. I hope this clarifies a bit more. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 10/01/2015, at 11:18 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Can you explain a bit more what this library is doing and how it might be used? When you said 3d sound, I at first thought you meant something to supplement or replace OpenAL, but that's clearly not the case. I'm not clear on just what this does. Thanks. On Jan 10, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am currently working on a 3D sound engine. I have so far done the following: 1-nodes
Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D
That’s fine. the more info I get, the better. I have taken quite a cool segway into my geometry and matrix classes but the bottom line is that the world of warcraft XML structure along with the lua function calls is a tree structure. Therefore easily attachable to a set of listeners that will output speech synthesis. I have completed the script that creates the nodelist between UI and smallest element of each frame, and UI element in WOW. Sure, there are hundreds of UI files but it doesn’t matter since my algorithm picks out the necessarry info, parses it into a array like queue and once I’ve coded the key bindings, then the script is aware of everything that is happening UI wise. That’s a very good start for me. Each brick must be laid down, but every brick is made. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: I'm not a programmer, but as a gamer I'd love to see this in action. For years audio games have been more of play this cool sound in the background and just have a few interact able items. Sure that was how old games and some fighting games work but most games have gone beyond that. Have you gone to audio games.net http://games.net/ about this? There are plenty of developers there whom are blind. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 10, 2015, at 9:31 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: I’ll get into more detail on the 3D sound part. It uses a node system, as mentioned earlier, to plug, unplug, blend or ratio fit one or more nodes t=which can be filters, user set paremeters or daisy chained hierarchies of sound buffers. So imagine you call a tree instance from my library. It uses phi and pi to generate the fractal links down to the leaf node. Each leaf node has physical properties which follow parent nodes with a coefficient, or a scalar value spread along the entire tree. Each node is a sound buffer or a set of sound buffers. Collision detection is made via matrix identification and eigan matrices. Now set a wind particle (full of bounding boxes) object that traverses the tree. Each collision triggers the sound of a rustle. in real 3D position relative to the user’s position. Now take these tree structures and use a spherical shape (revolving the nGon I mentioned earlier around its y axis) and pass it through a deformer (which changes scalar values of the vectors within the sphere). This deformer can use a set of physics class objects such as inertia, parabolic deviations, swirls, you name the geometric shape, there’s a math formulae for it. Consider that each vector or vertex is a bird in a school of birds. Apply an index to it, and use this other swarm algorithm I studied to create an array of bees, birds, fish, whatever. each, when colliding with each other will have a behavior generator using again, scalar values. I can’t stress enough the utility of matrices and transformations for things that go beyond just shapes. So I’ve gone way past my initial goal, and think this can be very useful. I want some help with some of the scripts, to complete them. I’m fine paying for it, but the person needs to not only like the idea, but actually believe in it. Anyway, here’s my two cents Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 10/01/2015, at 11:18 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Can you explain a bit more what this library is doing and how it might be used? When you said 3d sound, I at first thought you meant something to supplement or replace OpenAL, but that's clearly not the case. I'm not clear on just what this does. Thanks. On Jan 10, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am currently working on a 3D sound engine. I have so far done the following: 1-nodes structure for extracting tag and LUA function calls and creating a hierarchy of each node where parent node is UI. 2-A 3D sound library connecting to the js web sound API, using the node system 3-a parser toolset to create arrays of configurations between scripts and languages 4-A geometric 3D volume matrix with the node hierarchy class used as secondary process 5-using a parallell processing class to send socket information between nodes 6-A socket distribution (select()) daisy chain communication layer 7-A 3D prototype of an SSD based sound processing CPU that stocks all the information in the SSD as static memory. I have been 3D prototyping for about 15 years. I demand elegance and functionality in design, as much as efficient memory management of blocks and sectors. I am a programmer. All
Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D
I have already considered the buffer channel limits. These are, again, nodes. The nodes take a local form and a general form. Though internally there can only be 16 samples played simultaneously, shuffling the samples through the 3D sound API, filtering them and globalising them into a composite buffer (this is where function bijectivity is important, to allow things to go both ways) will effectively stream one sample that has gone through the node hierarchy as a single pass or channel. There are primitives I created for bounds, such as distance falloff etc. Listen around you and you will not have 16 different sounds going on simultaneously unless you’re in a concert hall, waiting for a classic troupe to play. When you include occlusion, clipping and filter buffers into one composite buffer, you’re getting flexible with the ammount of samples you have in your toolkit. Yes, the world should be considered as a single node from which everything else spawns. Just like OOP but using essential shortcut maths (I stronglyh recommend anyone to read discreet maths for this). I’m not sure yet how many processes I can run to offload stuff and dictate my own memory allocations, but for now I am building solid core classes to facilitate as much ressources as possible, off from the graphics load onto the sound load. I’m surprised no one has considered the node system, such as nodes.js or python’s setup() module. They are clearly under used and should be given more attention. Like I said, some of the invariables need to be load tested with profiling, but at this phase I am constructing the underlying world structure. If there’s a method out there with either python, js, java, c or to a lesser extent, objective c, please don’t hestiate to send me docs to read, etc. The more advanced, the happier I am :) Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/01/2015, at 2:37 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: I won't pretend to understand all of this. My degree is computer science, not higher mathematics or engineering. Still, I'm intrigued, and would love to hear a practical example. To keep things on topic, would this library be usable from a Swift or Objective-C app for iOS or OS X? If so, can you give a real-world example of how? I understand representing things as sounds, but how would it handle in a real app? That is, what about loading/managing sound buffers (you can only have 16 at a time in OpenAL), handling stereo sound samples, generating sounds on the fly instead of relying on recorded audio, applying real-time filters or effects, managing occlusions and distance roll-offs, that kind of thing? Is there a mapping engine, where the programmer can lay out the world in some kind of XML or JSON format? Have I missed the point entirely? On Jan 10, 2015, at 10:31 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: I’ll get into more detail on the 3D sound part. It uses a node system, as mentioned earlier, to plug, unplug, blend or ratio fit one or more nodes t=which can be filters, user set paremeters or daisy chained hierarchies of sound buffers. So imagine you call a tree instance from my library. It uses phi and pi to generate the fractal links down to the leaf node. Each leaf node has physical properties which follow parent nodes with a coefficient, or a scalar value spread along the entire tree. Each node is a sound buffer or a set of sound buffers. Collision detection is made via matrix identification and eigan matrices. Now set a wind particle (full of bounding boxes) object that traverses the tree. Each collision triggers the sound of a rustle. in real 3D position relative to the user’s position. Now take these tree structures and use a spherical shape (revolving the nGon I mentioned earlier around its y axis) and pass it through a deformer (which changes scalar values of the vectors within the sphere). This deformer can use a set of physics class objects such as inertia, parabolic deviations, swirls, you name the geometric shape, there’s a math formulae for it. Consider that each vector or vertex is a bird in a school of birds. Apply an index to it, and use this other swarm algorithm I studied to create an array of bees, birds, fish, whatever. each, when colliding with each other will have a behavior generator using again, scalar values. I can’t stress enough the utility of matrices and transformations for things that go beyond just shapes. So I’ve gone way past my initial goal, and think this can be very useful. I want some help with some of the scripts, to complete them. I’m fine paying for it, but the person needs to not only like the idea, but actually believe in it. Anyway, here’s my two cents Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190
Re: A call for a world perspective in 3D
I’ll get into more detail on the 3D sound part. It uses a node system, as mentioned earlier, to plug, unplug, blend or ratio fit one or more nodes t=which can be filters, user set paremeters or daisy chained hierarchies of sound buffers. So imagine you call a tree instance from my library. It uses phi and pi to generate the fractal links down to the leaf node. Each leaf node has physical properties which follow parent nodes with a coefficient, or a scalar value spread along the entire tree. Each node is a sound buffer or a set of sound buffers. Collision detection is made via matrix identification and eigan matrices. Now set a wind particle (full of bounding boxes) object that traverses the tree. Each collision triggers the sound of a rustle. in real 3D position relative to the user’s position. Now take these tree structures and use a spherical shape (revolving the nGon I mentioned earlier around its y axis) and pass it through a deformer (which changes scalar values of the vectors within the sphere). This deformer can use a set of physics class objects such as inertia, parabolic deviations, swirls, you name the geometric shape, there’s a math formulae for it. Consider that each vector or vertex is a bird in a school of birds. Apply an index to it, and use this other swarm algorithm I studied to create an array of bees, birds, fish, whatever. each, when colliding with each other will have a behavior generator using again, scalar values. I can’t stress enough the utility of matrices and transformations for things that go beyond just shapes. So I’ve gone way past my initial goal, and think this can be very useful. I want some help with some of the scripts, to complete them. I’m fine paying for it, but the person needs to not only like the idea, but actually believe in it. Anyway, here’s my two cents Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 10/01/2015, at 11:18 pm, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote: Can you explain a bit more what this library is doing and how it might be used? When you said 3d sound, I at first thought you meant something to supplement or replace OpenAL, but that's clearly not the case. I'm not clear on just what this does. Thanks. On Jan 10, 2015, at 2:34 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am currently working on a 3D sound engine. I have so far done the following: 1-nodes structure for extracting tag and LUA function calls and creating a hierarchy of each node where parent node is UI. 2-A 3D sound library connecting to the js web sound API, using the node system 3-a parser toolset to create arrays of configurations between scripts and languages 4-A geometric 3D volume matrix with the node hierarchy class used as secondary process 5-using a parallell processing class to send socket information between nodes 6-A socket distribution (select()) daisy chain communication layer 7-A 3D prototype of an SSD based sound processing CPU that stocks all the information in the SSD as static memory. I have been 3D prototyping for about 15 years. I demand elegance and functionality in design, as much as efficient memory management of blocks and sectors. I am a programmer. All the scripts are doing exactly what they are supposed to except for the 3D matrix layer, which I am currently working on. However I have done all primitives, transforms and rotations using matrices. About to get back to completing the nGon class. This project started as a spark when I saw a tweet about a blind player on World of Warcraft. Now it has turned out to be much bigger. Everything is written in standard APIs such as python and JS modules. I am trying to complete this accessible World of Warcraft layer which I will use as a GNU license platform which does not use world of warcraft. I don’t understand why blizzard hasn’t done this. But this has given me the opportunity to see exactly what is happening in the system architecture. And be an architect, though I had lost that capacity once I lost vision. Will anyone be so cool as to send me a reply with “#vipWOW” as subject? I really hope that this ideal I have been carrying on for the past 6 years, dedicated to programming and mathematics where I used not do apply so frequently can be growing to a larger community through the effort I, and hope others, will accept as an independant hire, to help. I cannot afford thousands per month, but I have laid down the architecture, the working sub systems, and working through each all the way to the main class. This effort, I have come to realise, demands way more hands than my blind vision on the computer can handle, though I handle VIM quite well and efficiently. But it also needs to be accessible to the level I want it at some point. If you are ready to experience
A call for a world perspective in 3D
Hi All, I am currently working on a 3D sound engine. I have so far done the following: 1-nodes structure for extracting tag and LUA function calls and creating a hierarchy of each node where parent node is UI. 2-A 3D sound library connecting to the js web sound API, using the node system 3-a parser toolset to create arrays of configurations between scripts and languages 4-A geometric 3D volume matrix with the node hierarchy class used as secondary process 5-using a parallell processing class to send socket information between nodes 6-A socket distribution (select()) daisy chain communication layer 7-A 3D prototype of an SSD based sound processing CPU that stocks all the information in the SSD as static memory. I have been 3D prototyping for about 15 years. I demand elegance and functionality in design, as much as efficient memory management of blocks and sectors. I am a programmer. All the scripts are doing exactly what they are supposed to except for the 3D matrix layer, which I am currently working on. However I have done all primitives, transforms and rotations using matrices. About to get back to completing the nGon class. This project started as a spark when I saw a tweet about a blind player on World of Warcraft. Now it has turned out to be much bigger. Everything is written in standard APIs such as python and JS modules. I am trying to complete this accessible World of Warcraft layer which I will use as a GNU license platform which does not use world of warcraft. I don’t understand why blizzard hasn’t done this. But this has given me the opportunity to see exactly what is happening in the system architecture. And be an architect, though I had lost that capacity once I lost vision. Will anyone be so cool as to send me a reply with “#vipWOW” as subject? I really hope that this ideal I have been carrying on for the past 6 years, dedicated to programming and mathematics where I used not do apply so frequently can be growing to a larger community through the effort I, and hope others, will accept as an independant hire, to help. I cannot afford thousands per month, but I have laid down the architecture, the working sub systems, and working through each all the way to the main class. This effort, I have come to realise, demands way more hands than my blind vision on the computer can handle, though I handle VIM quite well and efficiently. But it also needs to be accessible to the level I want it at some point. If you are ready to experience something seriously cool (network connectivity, private test server, wiki, calendars and contacts, vnc access, ssh, ftp, redundancy is not there yet but we’re working on an arch linux installation), with an extra dimension (tactile), please do contact me. Let’s make an order of classes that will standardise many aspects of our experience on the computer as blind coders, and be the programmers for programmers in facilitating our own experience. Sincerely, Antoine Decaux twitter: triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: the graphicsless paradigm
Hi Shawn, Thanks for your input. Sometimes it's good to see where this corporate behaviour is going. Are you hitting the spot completely? Am I right? Who cares? Essentially there's an interest, and there is creating the environment to facilitate the idea. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 6/01/2015, at 8:10 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have to go against the grain. If you think Apple or any other vendor is going to spend time on building a non-graphical environment as outlined on this thread. It will not occur due to no market. We are .5% of the market thus there is no business requirement for them and they will not get their ROI. The CLI on the Mac does provide text base applications if you like to learn. people like things to be easy, thus why we have GUI now. Sean On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:19 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Where and when is the nFB? I heard a few conflicting ideas about the organisation. But I would take the momentum to engage the voice. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com mailto:shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year NFB convention? On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of the lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer itself cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks which voice over relies on. However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of the animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily visualise a UI which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with plain black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no transition animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go hey I'm here etc etc. This can free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/01/2015, at 10:03 am, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net mailto:ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: BobH. long.c...@virgin.net mailto:long.c...@virgin.net wrote: I think a lot of us have said for a good while, that modern 'puters are 99% eye candy or effects; and maybe as much as 1% real work, though doubt it. DOS worked so well, cos it did none of that. Boring to the sighted, but even they were more focussed on getting real info in or out and not just there to play with it. So, yes, a cutToTheQwik system that took us back to doing the stuff we're doing, without all the other overhead, would have some use; can think of professional areas where it would be saleable for it's simplicity; but doubt it's going to happen. It's already happening. If you work primarily from the Linux console (just using the GUI for tasks that require it, e.g., Web browsing), you essentially have what you've described. this can't be done in the same way under OS X, which always loads a graphical desktop environment. I'm writing this message from a Linux virtual terminal. So far as the two operating systems are concerned, there are some applications for which I like to use OS X, but it's my Linux laptop that I'm using most often at home just now, even though the Macbook is newer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post
Re: the graphicsless paradigm
Hi Devin, This is exactly how the program is structured. In trees. Theres nothing new there. Nothing changes to the way you handle things. It’s just graphicsless. the actions and moving are the same. And I don’t think it’s about because it didn’t work then, it won’t now. Different techniques are applied now, the major players, jaws, nvda and voice over are tree structures. They all take from the lower layers of the software, down to almost machine code. So the control is enormous. If in sighted mode, its a tree with mathematical or algebraic sets, it’s obviously the same with voice over except that you have a range of user interface elements like buttons etc which have particular properties. Do you need a graphic for that? No, just the boundaries of the object in space, which is taken care of by the coco framework. Anyway, this is developer stuff I should find a developer group. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 7/01/2015, at 11:21 am, Devin Prater d.pra...@me.com wrote: Well that's the main problem, that there is rarely any programming group interested in that. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com mailto:mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: If people want to do an open source solution of what have been outlined here, go for it. I would be very interested to see if anyone would take it up. A lot of work. There was a screen reader on the windows which used a tree view like structure to navigate the GUI. It was a German product from memory. Don’t know if it still exists and it was removing the visual aspects away from the vision impaired person. A very interesting concept. The Orca people haven’t gone in this direction either. This would be one environment the described concept could be tested in to see if it could be achieved. I don’t have the programming skills to help here. Sean On 7 Jan 2015, at 12:44 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Shawn, Thanks for your input. Sometimes it's good to see where this corporate behaviour is going. Are you hitting the spot completely? Am I right? Who cares? Essentially there's an interest, and there is creating the environment to facilitate the idea. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 6/01/2015, at 8:10 pm, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com mailto:mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have to go against the grain. If you think Apple or any other vendor is going to spend time on building a non-graphical environment as outlined on this thread. It will not occur due to no market. We are .5% of the market thus there is no business requirement for them and they will not get their ROI. The CLI on the Mac does provide text base applications if you like to learn. people like things to be easy, thus why we have GUI now. Sean On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:19 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Where and when is the nFB? I heard a few conflicting ideas about the organisation. But I would take the momentum to engage the voice. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com mailto:shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year NFB convention? On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com mailto:jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of the lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer itself cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks which voice over relies on. However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of the animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily visualise a UI which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with plain black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no transition animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go hey I'm here etc etc. This can free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/01/2015, at 10
Re: The switch from Microsoft to Apple
Hi all, I wanted to dive in on this conversation. Since I got the mac back 6 years ago, I have exclusively used voice over. With tries and certain frustrations with android, but the latter device has its own potential. Huge one in fact. Back to the mac. Since the inception of voice over device non specific, voice over has allowed everyone to access applications on the creative side used by the same machines. And one big adbvantage for quite a few of us, I tend to think, is that it is unix based. This allows for the mac voice over system, layer on top of layer on top of unix, reads very well on different command line tools, developer apps, x-code etc. It can’t be easier to connect to linux in all its flavours, and machine code can be equally interpreted. The graphics issue is algorithmic. There is no visual perception algorithms in any of voice over. Which I tend to hope Apple is working on, though I’m not 100% sure at this moment. I also found a windows executable wrapper wine while searching for multi processing and memory reading. This effectively allows us to connect into the function calls interpreted by the mac. Which makes both platforms very synbiotic. They both have a history that I will not mention or detail now. Here are what is still missing in voice over: -The capability to listen to the personal account server protecting your media, images, projects, work, pictures, etc. Mirrorring or duplications are made at Apple and we have no idea what it does and where it goes, and everything is collected en masse. It’s truly frightening but its still something a few companies like Apple or Google advocate. One less before in the current under tinges coming out of that head office. In the name of freedom. -Connectivity apps between server and iphone for voice over specific use. Developers I’m sure you’re on it. Me too. For this, I thank Apple. -A true 3D audio dimension that takes out of gfx algorithms and can be zero summed with full GFX (GFX being more of the layers that compose the phone’s graphics engine. -A series of blind community connectivity worldwide that allows a large number of individuals to play World of Warcraft, or audio training games for those early in the notion of sound. using voice over’s engine. - A semantics algorithm that picks up through the microphone an individual’s words, clicks, phonemes in fast or slow, sky’s the limit, then acts upon various tasks recorded in advance. Scripting can be applied to this. As modules beyond, our macs, those home servers we have are capable of providing so much more information so much faster. So our phones can stay nominal in processing. -The ability to use an infrared system to point our hands around with small gestures enacting INTUITIVE. I didn’t quote, I large blocked this. INTUITIVE gestures. -The list above is being worked on, and I am actively seeking blind programmers who wish to try a beta of an accessible world of warcraft. Peace Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 6/01/2015, at 5:17 pm, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, Unless I missed something when I downloaded a trial of Pages, I didn't see any method on how to print an envelope or labels. I am self employed and need to send originals via snail mail. Also, when I prepare training materials, I use various level style headers and I don't think I saw that in Pages when I was giving it a test drive. If there are solutions to the above tasks mentioned above in Pages, I'm game to look at the app again. I'm keeping my fingers crossed on MS Office 2015 for the Mac to be accessible to the visually impaired. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:41 PM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com wrote: I know this will not help, and it may be too late for some, but I read somewhere, probably on this list, that it is hoped that the 2015 version of Microsoft Office released later on in the year will be accessible on this platform. Outlook already is in its 2011 form so Microsoft must be making a good start. On 6 Jan 2015, at 04:46, denise avant denise.av...@gmail.com wrote: What is needed is an accessible version for MS Word on the Mac. Many of us must use word for work and school, and need to be able to use it on the MAC. I wonder why we can't get Microsoft to commit to giving an accessible version as it has done on the IOs platform? On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:37 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli sarai.bucciare...@gmail.com wrote: I’d rather only use the Mac, and not have two computers. I’m trying to learn Pages. It’s slow going. On Jan 5, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Lorie McCloud lorice...@gmail.com wrote: I agree there’s no shame in using windows. I would’ve had to learn a bunch of new stuff any way I went though since I was still running xp. maybe at some point I’ll
Re: the graphicsless paradigm
Maybe just beam the voice over computations to the GPU with all graphics down. That's a great idea. The UIKit will still be loaded but no graphics. it would be like having a multitasking, mouse or trackpad enabled unix front. One of the issues I see with graphicsless is for safari. But then that's webKit in terms of framework. So turning that on is fine since the labelling is there, and the notion through appKit and UIKit that the references are already established. I don't see why a graphicsless mode shouldn't be considered. Lots of plus to it, it enables voice over users, including IOS, to avoid those extenuatingly long animation phases that I can give two tosses about as a blind user. Knowingly that this processing, everytime, is being used so that some scroll bar can scroll in with the rest while I can't see it kind of irritates me, to be honest. Just as a segway, if anyone here is good at xml, or python or js, please contact me off list. I am trying to render the entire world of warcraft accessible and have gone a fair bit in the nodes list (js coders i'm sure this rings a bell). Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year NFB convention? On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of the lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer itself cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks which voice over relies on. However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of the animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily visualise a UI which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with plain black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no transition animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go hey I'm here etc etc. This can free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/01/2015, at 10:03 am, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: BobH. long.c...@virgin.net wrote: I think a lot of us have said for a good while, that modern 'puters are 99% eye candy or effects; and maybe as much as 1% real work, though doubt it. DOS worked so well, cos it did none of that. Boring to the sighted, but even they were more focussed on getting real info in or out and not just there to play with it. So, yes, a cutToTheQwik system that took us back to doing the stuff we're doing, without all the other overhead, would have some use; can think of professional areas where it would be saleable for it's simplicity; but doubt it's going to happen. It's already happening. If you work primarily from the Linux console (just using the GUI for tasks that require it, e.g., Web browsing), you essentially have what you've described. this can't be done in the same way under OS X, which always loads a graphical desktop environment. I'm writing this message from a Linux virtual terminal. So far as the two operating systems are concerned, there are some applications for which I like to use OS X, but it's my Linux laptop that I'm using most often at home just now, even though the Macbook is newer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries
Re: the graphicsless paradigm
Where and when is the nFB? I heard a few conflicting ideas about the organisation. But I would take the momentum to engage the voice. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote: What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year NFB convention? On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of the lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer itself cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks which voice over relies on. However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of the animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily visualise a UI which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with plain black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no transition animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go hey I'm here etc etc. This can free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/01/2015, at 10:03 am, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: BobH. long.c...@virgin.net wrote: I think a lot of us have said for a good while, that modern 'puters are 99% eye candy or effects; and maybe as much as 1% real work, though doubt it. DOS worked so well, cos it did none of that. Boring to the sighted, but even they were more focussed on getting real info in or out and not just there to play with it. So, yes, a cutToTheQwik system that took us back to doing the stuff we're doing, without all the other overhead, would have some use; can think of professional areas where it would be saleable for it's simplicity; but doubt it's going to happen. It's already happening. If you work primarily from the Linux console (just using the GUI for tasks that require it, e.g., Web browsing), you essentially have what you've described. this can't be done in the same way under OS X, which always loads a graphical desktop environment. I'm writing this message from a Linux virtual terminal. So far as the two operating systems are concerned, there are some applications for which I like to use OS X, but it's my Linux laptop that I'm using most often at home just now, even though the Macbook is newer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
very useful gesture binding
Hi All, I keep seeing skimming this list questions relative to how to copy and paste efficiently anywhere in the system, whether OS, on preview, in safari, in mail, contacts, time, help, anything. Any text goes anyway. Go to voice over utilities/commanders/trackpad/ Then check hotspots, and additional controls. add the trackpad commander and edit it. Use control as pressed key and find a gesture of your liking. I like using control pinch closed. It feels like I'm pinching the text out into the clipboard. I also use the opposite to paste stuff but anyway. It feels intuitive and it stays in memory well for other gestures. This will allow you to just do what you are wanting to do and avoid several presses and key combos. Enjoy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: the graphicsless paradigm
Hi, What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of the lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer itself cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks which voice over relies on. However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of the animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily visualise a UI which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with plain black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no transition animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go hey I'm here etc etc. This can free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 2/01/2015, at 10:03 am, Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net wrote: BobH. long.c...@virgin.net wrote: I think a lot of us have said for a good while, that modern 'puters are 99% eye candy or effects; and maybe as much as 1% real work, though doubt it. DOS worked so well, cos it did none of that. Boring to the sighted, but even they were more focussed on getting real info in or out and not just there to play with it. So, yes, a cutToTheQwik system that took us back to doing the stuff we're doing, without all the other overhead, would have some use; can think of professional areas where it would be saleable for it's simplicity; but doubt it's going to happen. It's already happening. If you work primarily from the Linux console (just using the GUI for tasks that require it, e.g., Web browsing), you essentially have what you've described. this can't be done in the same way under OS X, which always loads a graphical desktop environment. I'm writing this message from a Linux virtual terminal. So far as the two operating systems are concerned, there are some applications for which I like to use OS X, but it's my Linux laptop that I'm using most often at home just now, even though the Macbook is newer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
the graphicsless paradigm
Hi All, Merry xmas to everyone. I wanted to drop this in as I’m working on something that has to do with touch sensations. I am a blind student and have been blind for 6 years. Prior I had 15 years of 3D experience. Meaning games design, physics, rigging and skinning, all the stuff you learn doing 3D. I cannot see anything now, however I have extensive understanding of the processes and memory behind the screen, especially screen reading now. I wish a graphicsless mode. This mode allows things to get very zippy and fast. for some of us, this graphic layer is not even necessarry. It helps with battery, and there’s more memory for voice over related stuff. And small background tasks. That do stuff that can help more than a toastie looking application icon prancing around with sparkles to get our attention. Or swipes of blurring around and swirls changing or morphing into the next window. That’s a lot of stuff happening there while our face looks kind of blandly at nothing. A lot meaning, a lot of processes under the hood as if your pedal is down while lifted on a chassis platter. Do you get the point? Something like leaving an automatic image projector, or leaving all the lights in your home on, as a visually impaired user, let alone a sighted person. There’s flow intuition too. I am sometimes in wonder wehn someone types on their tablet and the speed of response and wish it also for when I use my tablet with voice over. Right now, on IOS, it’s a freaking olds mobile in a porsche. yeah, it’s so damn slow to respond, especially when fast comboing through things because the muscle memory allows us to be fast, the User interface is absolutely knackered into submission and some siri fart stops net because in the wiring something went snap. All of this to say if anyone wanted to comment Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
anyone trying to play world of warcraft?
Hi All, Have a look at this page: http://wow.joystiq.com/2013/03/07/blind-player-ben-shaw-on-raiding-and-wow-for-the-sightless/ I read this article about a blind gamer playing world of warcraft using a set of macros and commands by creating add-ons for the game. It uses simple text editor and on the mac, a lot of commands exist in terminal for opening wow with console mode etc. The scripting language doesn't seem too hard to learn and the wow API seems to have everything required for parsing text and streaming sets of variables to figure out what to do. Here are some example scripts or add-ons I wanted to write for blind wow access: 1-chat frame announcements using either voice over or another tts solution. 2-inventory, magic and character profile information frames. These use standard xml layouts so I'm guessing that it can work fine with some html coding to pass arguments back and forth from in game frame to an external html page keeping tabs of information and perhaps controllable from the page back into the game 3-orientation and guidance helpers: there is a fairly decent 3D audio in world of warcraft. Perhaps some of the lock in systems wow uses can be exploited to get a player vs player positional stream from which particular sounds could be produced. The web audio API is very good and fast at doing this. Again, using the external window method, positional information for one's player against selected ennemy can be created. 4-inventory or pouch: a macro or key binding to open the sachel can theoretically open a new frame in the external page at which point using the trackpad we can navigate through the items, changing their positions or blending items such as reagents for magic and spells. 5-use a mouse position tracking and positioning script with terminal to control positioning from within the external page to reflect in game. And so many other methods available to make playing wow somewhat of a possibility? In any case, has anyone tried world of warcraft like that guy? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Latest Serotek blog post and the comment I left them.
Hi Pamela, The image this entity has garnered with its social platform is probably just as important as its initial tech goals, but some were more likely to disband due to internal pressure. Who is the expert for the synthesis engine is the question. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 25/11/2014, at 11:48 am, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Hello They may have wiped their Twitter feed, yet the replies were directed at me. I was asking valid questions that made them defensive. Coming from a corporate account, it seemed to me One could have been a little more professional. They may have wiped their Twitter feed, yet they did not wipe mine. I was able to harvest all of the replies and my comments, I am in the process of aggregating everything in order to attempt to get a public apology for the way they treated me and others who were supporters and customers. I have someone who has agreed to help me post it in a public place where it can be seen by the right people. I'm not going to post those things on this list. That would get me nowhere. I posted the blog along with my comment, for informational purposes only. It was not meant to inflame anyone or defame anyone. Pam Francis On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Aleeha Dudley blindcowgirl1...@gmail.com wrote: I have a feeling that, even if we tried to be as gentle as possible, they would still act like children. Before they wiped it, their Twitter feed contained some mildly offensive and childish statements. Seems to me that there's little hope... On 11/24/14, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: Instead of putting them on the defensive, perhaps you can make suggestions to keep the service going. The only static in life is change, No one likes change yet its inevitable and not being willing to adapt to change will only break your head on that brick wall. No company is going to be totally forthcoming about their business decisions. And no one who was let go will also be forthcoming if they signed an agreement to that effect. We can read all we want between the lines, it will get us nowhere. The adaptive industry IS changing and much of it is not good. The bottom line is what they need to go on to continue. From The Believer. . . . . . what if it were true? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 11/24/2014 10:11 AM, Pamela Francis wrote: Hello, Yes, I have attempted to tell them how invaluable their services have been. However what I told them however, They came out very defensive as if they were a child rather than a Corporation closing the door on a resource many people depended on. Pam Francis On Nov 24, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote: Hi Pamela. I agree with everything you said. Have you considered saying what you've said to Serotek directly? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2014, at 3:30 AM, Pamela Francis gypsykitt...@gmail.com wrote: Revving Up for the Road Ahead Serotek is undergoing some changes to better meet your needs as a digital consumer. The assistive technology industry has been shifting for a while now, and it would be foolish to believe yesterday’s formula will continue to work in today’s age of wearable technology, smart homes, and interconnected media. Understandably, there may be questions about the longevity of the products and services you have come to rely on. For years Serotek has thought outside the box to deliver the most affordable solutions with the best customer and product support, and there are no plans to reverse this pattern of innovation to meet you where you need us. You may also be wondering about the future of the SeroTalk Podcast Network, arguably one of the leading content providers on all things technology. There is a time to cover headlines, and there is a time to create them. As long as the community remains interested, SPN will evolve alongside its parent company. For now, we have to deal with the reality of blunt, but truthful, comments such as that left by one loyal customer who wondered if we were finally going to stop socializing on the podcasts and finally get back to product development. Given the number of conflicting rumors surrounding the popular platform, the story is this: Ownership of SPN was offered to Joe Steinkamp and Ricky Enger under a highly attractive earn-out formula. Serotek offered to continue financing the website, podcast, and production and platform hosting required to maintain a consistent user experience. Serotek is aware of the value they provided to the community. Unfortunately, they elected not to accept this offer. The Serotek team has no doubt Joe and Ricky will be a valuable asset to the community in other capacities and wish them all the best in their new endeavors. Our goals were not to eliminate
starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Hi all, I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my future. Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic things: 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around. 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces. 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complacent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with hs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, should lead us much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, and let’s not forget screen readers. Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Hi Barry, I don’t need an album that I didn’t want in the first place pasted all over like a bad rash :) I did listen to it shortly, but it feels like they were invited at x-factor and lolled children to some “we are the world, we are the people” type pontification. This is the French in me speaking, always a point in humor instead of bashing. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 16/10/2014, at 11:06 am, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: I think that you and others are going to have to eventually get over the fact that you got a free U2 album. My new iPhone 5s comes tomorrow, so I'll join in on the IOS bitch fest another day. I've been using a 4, so I haven't been able to test 8 at all. I'm in agreement in regards to some of your Apple criticisms. On a better note though, Yosemite seems pretty solid. I guess it better be. On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:38:48 PM UTC-5, Yuma Decaux wrote: Hi all, I don’t know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too much into the “let big brother figure out for you what you should like and do”. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don’t want some band pushing their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great songs. But their current 50’s midlife crisis moans aren’t my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my future. Seriously folks, I’m not just going off on a rant, and for those of you who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic things: 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around. 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of that experience. Personally, I don’t trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the last apple showcase. but they don’t have enough say yet, so we’re stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces. 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of creating real interfaces for everyone. It’s frustrating to know that most companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it’s broken, it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of hardware to get clunky experiences and moments where you want to throw that damn thing out the window and never touch it again is clearly not what I call good experience on a computer. More and more of my friends, mac users, both sighted and visually impaired, agree with me that apple is starting to rot in terms of presenting it’s image. It’s not an underdog but a huge bulky oil tanker that can now only manuver slowly with a battalion of lawyers behind murmuring at the chief’s ears, the latter being probably more complacent than should be, thus giving us this weird awkward show each year now with a barely straight talking TIm Cook who sounds like he never had a girl friend chill time or something seems amiss in him. Some soul? Something. Whatever the case, I don’t really dig the style apple is portraying. It’s becoming a disney world presentation with hs and aaahs when the tech behind is quite literally lagging. No visionary stuff, when this qualification should by now, from all the sci fi, the research and the graduations of bright people, should lead us much farther in terms of actual interaction with a computer, and let’s not forget screen readers. Anyway, off for my morning coffee. Have a great day yall Yuma Antoine Decaux
Re: starting to get irritated by IOS 8
Hi Jessica, I'm running IOS 8.0.2 on an iphone 6. I have to reboot the thing every second day to get an alright experience. There are sometimes up to 1.5 second lags between interface groups when I run my finger across the screen, such as when fingering from normal apps to dock apps, and a whole list of other stuff that blocks you from doing what you are meant to do. I know it would be hard to switch overall to another platform, learning curve and the rest, but this is getting a bit too much. I've been testing pre releases since lion and sent numerous bug reports and feature requests but at this point, I have a life and career, hobbies and community I prefffer interacting with, rather than hearing a voice all day long. So I become a normal user who expects things to just work, for the ridiculous money I spend on their hardware. Wasn't this apple's forté? That things just work? Anyway, I like the yosemite experience way better, and have no complaints I can currently see. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +612102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 16/10/2014, at 12:08 pm, Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com wrote: Which version of IOS8 are you running, I updated my 4S, and it's running really sluggishly, but have up until reading this thread, heard really good reviews about the 6 On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Phil Halton philh...@gmail.com wrote: I just had a crash with my iPhone 6 on iOS 8 where I had to restore it. The Lire app was sluggish, and I rebooted the phone. THen the Apple logo appeared for a few seconds, and it would then turn itself off. Frequently it is as is the phone somehow resets itself. Somewhat often I get apps that will not open. This last iCloud restore for whatever reason did not restore my text messages which it has always done before, I may have to do the restore again. But they really should take a hard look at quality7 and not beocme like most tech companies that are happy to sell junk! I mean look at the disaster with iOS 8.0.1 making touch id cellular service inoperative. I don't think I really have any choice I don't think the grass is greener with Android. Best, Mika On 10/15/14, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I don't know about yall, but I have an iphone 6 with IOS 8 and I have to say that the experience is less than stellar. Bugs everywhere, slower than on my iphone 5s, siri cut off midway then voice over not working, hang like slowness when getting out of an app. I have to say that I have started looking for alternatives as I feel like apple is trying to nudge things too much into the let big brother figure out for you what you should like and do. Point in case, that U2 debacle. Last weekend I was camping with some mates and I was going through some tracks after lunch, and those damn U2 tracks kept popping up like annoying ads. Really don't want some band pushing their crap on my life experience when I shelled out 1200 dollars for a phone that is supposed to do things for me. Not the other way around. Sure, U2 has some great songs. But their current 50's midlife crisis moans aren't my style, nor inspire me. I can listen to that when I go into an apple store and wait for a genius to tell me my future. Seriously folks, I'm not just going off on a rant, and for those of you who want to reply by being defensive for apple, just remember a few basic things: 1-You are customer. Customer is king, you are not serving apple. Apple makes money off you, take 30 percent of the cut on your music production or app developement with their platform. They serve you. Not the other way around. 2-Apple is not god almighty. Apple has great people that collectively create experiences. At the helm, a few individuals decide on the direction of that experience. Personally, I don't trust Tim Cook that much in giving us a good experience. That Johnny Ive sounds like a pompous marketing guy with design skills I cannot trust as head of human interface, a software division, coming from someone who used to make toilet seats. The only one or ones I can trust in this are frederici and some of the younger engineers presented at the last apple showcase. but they don't have enough say yet, so we're stuck with all that flash graphical transition animation style crap instead of truly clean, efficient and snappy interfaces. 3-There are other choices out there, but I have no idea what. Sometimes I wish I was sighted again so that I can really be part of the process of creating real interfaces for everyone. It's frustrating to know that most companies follow what is standard and forget that standards are meant to be broken and updated. Not broken at the cost of the buyer, no. If it's broken, it should be free, such as what google offers. Buying a 3000 dollar piece of hardware to get clunky experiences and moments
recommendation for braille device
Hi All, So I've decided to jump to reading braille after a few years of being blind. Can anyone recommend me a good high quality braille device, bluetooth enabled such and such that I can start using braille tutor with and learn to read this semester? Best regards, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Has anyone got the U2 album?
Everyone knows this was bad advertising. I almost felt as though apple didn't have anything left to show so they tried wooing the crowd with this u2 stunt. I don't listen to u2 since the 90s. I don't listen to 50 to 60 year olds trying to get young again. I don't like apple pushing their album on my itunes like that. This kind of overseer type control of everyone's accounts, think that apple pay system which I'm sure is tim cook's little accountant mentality baby project. is starting to smell like perfume on bracelets to me. And this is not good at all. All the guys are interested in showing with their tech is how useful it is to get them to the karaoke bars (ok guys why not just cut through the bush and talk strip clubs too) or hiking around yosemite or whatever other hill on this planet, or listening to another person's heartbeat, etc. To this last point, I'd like to add that they crammed the chips in for the developers to crowd in and find innovative systems. However, Apple still gets all the cake and their executives get to go to more karaokes and strip clubs. So in the end, we're stuck again with the leser evil. This sucks bad. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 16/09/2014, at 12:51 am, The Believer ancient.ali...@icloud.com wrote: This is an extremely serious matter, this invasion of our privacy and our space. We should all protest by sending our iDevices back to Apple with demands for full refunds and an apology. Good grief but some people take nonsnese too seriously. Leave the offending iDevices in a drawer for a few weeks, life will become much better. From The Believer. . . . . . what if it were true? ancient.ali...@icloud.com On 9/15/2014 12:23 AM, BobH. wrote: We all got it, and if we do nothing long enough, it'll eventually go away. Yes, folks got shirty and offended at this intrusion of our space, the device is our space, not there's we're renting. Ok, iCloud might be an exception or moot point. RobH, thinking too hard again. - Original Message - From: Jessica Moss junglebookfa...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 1:48 AM Subject: Re: Has anyone got the U2 album? Ok, I seem to have mysteriously gotten it on my phone, without purchasing it, which is really frustrating me, considering the fact that I'm not a huge fan of theirs, and now can't get it to delete itself. Can someone help out here? On Sep 11, 2014, at 9:00 PM, Shameless FanGirl shamelessfang...@gmail.com wrote: Try under Various. For the longest time it showed up for me there. Seems to have gotten its identity sorted today however, and is in its proper place under U. HTH Sent from my iPad On Sep 11, 2014, at 3:49 PM, Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu wrote: I can't find it in mine. Nothing in Artists under the letter 'U'. Appreciate any other suggestions. Keith -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Emmons Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 9:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Has anyone got the U2 album? I got it. Go to your music not the store, but to music, and look at your purchased or under the artist. When it came out, nobody had to do anything to grab it, it seriously automatically hit your library when they launched it. I found it last night and was amazed at the fact that it was there that easily. If you need more help let me know but it's already in your library. Talk to you soon. On Sep 10, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Buddy Brannan bu...@brannan.name wrote: Because I haven't. If I look at iTunes on my iPhone, it shows as purchased, but it doesn't show anywhere else. Not on the Mac under albums (to download from iCloud), not on the iPhone music app, not nowhere. Anyone manage to get this thing? -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: bu...@brannan.name -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d
Re: What a disappointment.
I believe this is due to everyone putting their load on the apple servers. Whatever it is, the iphone 6 doesn't sound any better than my 5s. Except for super focus nano digital optical micro lens technology and aperture o matic fluff stuff. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 10/09/2014, at 3:35 am, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! No sadly not for me. Crap! /A 9 sep 2014 kl. 19:24 skrev Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com: Okay, I closed safari and started over again and now I am able to listen. I did not do anything different from before; just went to apple,com. If you are having trouble try starting over. It: s a bit distracting because I can hear one of the translators quite clearly in a background and it is not a language I know but at least now I am not missing out on it. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 9, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I am trying to watch the apple live stream. Can't hear a thing. Well sometimes i do but i guess the pressure is so high that the video is choppy on my ipad and mac. Frustration grows! /A as angry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: What a disappointment.
What a fiasco. They can't even keep up with the server load. The fiasco is not necessarily apple, but the entire internet backbone which obsolescence is getting more evident as more users do more stuff on it. The current protocols are just not smart enough to handle all the traffic. And to be honest, I'm really not impressed by the new phones or whatever tehc they hold. The one and only feature I was really looking forward to is not there. The rest is shenanigans for the marketing fools. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 10/09/2014, at 3:37 am, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com wrote: same here. On 09 Sep 2014, at 07:17 pm, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote: I:m not even getting the video or the event. I am getting music on and off and a very busy busy safari and when I can move I see twitter posts etc, Of course i can listen to the keynote podcast later but I am not exactly happy either. -- Cheryl I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf. I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! Then God gave me a new heart and life: His joy for my despairing tears! And now, every day: This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope: The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases; his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning; great is your faithfulness. (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV) On Sep 9, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote: Hi! I am trying to watch the apple live stream. Can't hear a thing. Well sometimes i do but i guess the pressure is so high that the video is choppy on my ipad and mac. Frustration grows! /A as angry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
question to those, like me, in the developer membership
Hi all, Can anyone who is currently developing for IOS contact me off list? I have a question about x-code 6 beta and swift using playground with voice over. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
how on earth ibooks
Hi all, I'm trying to read the swift language introduction and guide, using ibooks but as of mavericks it's a complete mess. The shortcuts don't work, nothing is intuitive, none of the buttons are labelled, it's horrible. Can anyone tell me how they go around ibooks right now, and give me the simple lowdown on the following: 1-going to next/previous page 2-what are the unabelled buttons from left to right once a book opened Thanks for any help Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [New post] Apple removing music downloading apps from App Store
Whoever is doing this, stop sending me news I don't need to know about. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/06/2014, at 2:03 am, Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com wrote: Please stop all this spam. If I want news I'll go read a website. On 6/10/2014 11:16 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote: Christopher Hallsworth Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu Original Message Subject: [New post] Apple removing music downloading apps from App Store Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:53:42 + From: MacDailyNews comment-re...@wordpress.com Reply-To: MacDailyNews comment+e60benypon839am1fho4ui...@comment.wordpress.com To: christopher...@gmail.com WordPress.com MacDailyNews posted: [cfsp key=adsense_336x280]Apple appears to be removing many of the popular music downloading apps from the iOS App Store, including those that allowed users to obtain files from third-party file sharing sites, Richard Padilla reports for MacRumors. T Respond to this post by replying above this line New post on *MacDailyNews* http://macdailynews.com/author/macdailynews/ Apple removing music downloading apps from App Store http://macdailynews.com/2014/06/10/apple-removing-music-downloading-apps-from-app-store/ by MacDailyNews http://macdailynews.com/author/macdailynews/ [cfsp key=adsense_336x280]Apple appears to be removing many of the popular music downloading apps from the iOS App Store, including those that allowed users to obtain files from third-party file sharing sites, Richard Padilla reports for MacRumors. The move is likely in an attempt to push the iTunes Store and iTunes Radio, as well as to clean up the App Store ahead of an overhaul in iOS 8. A search for the term 'music download' in the App Store displays a message inviting users to try out iTunes Radio, Padilla reports. Previously, the same search would show results for a number of apps that could download music and audio files from websites such as Soundcloud and YouTube, with many appearing on the App Store's 'Top Charts' section. Padilla reports, Some developers have also noted that Apple has asked them to remove audio downloading functionalities from their app, perhaps to prevent potential piracy. *Read more in the full article here http://www.macrumors.com/2014/06/10/apple-removing-music-downloading-apps/.* [Thanks to MacDailyNews Reader Lynn Weiler for the heads up.] *MacDailyNews http://macdailynews.com/author/macdailynews/* | Tuesday, June 10, 2014 at 10:53 am | Tags: App Store http://macdailynews.com/?tag=app-store, Apple http://macdailynews.com/?tag=apple, iTunes radio http://macdailynews.com/?tag=itunes-radio, itunes store http://macdailynews.com/?tag=itunes-store, music http://macdailynews.com/?tag=music, music apps http://macdailynews.com/?tag=music-apps, music downloading apps http://macdailynews.com/?tag=music-downloading-apps, music piracy http://macdailynews.com/?tag=music-piracy, SoundCloud http://macdailynews.com/?tag=soundcloud, YouTube http://macdailynews.com/?tag=youtube | Categories: News http://macdailynews.com/?cat=103 | URL: http://wp.me/p19WFc-yX5 Comment http://macdailynews.com/2014/06/10/apple-removing-music-downloading-apps-from-app-store/#respond See all comments http://macdailynews.com/2014/06/10/apple-removing-music-downloading-apps-from-app-store/#comments Unsubscribe https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7dec5edb203752be92f56264ccf603ddemail=christopherh40%40gmail.comb=%3FfLQU0uMwqfY%3FLV%2Fzq%260a11c%7ClVYceENadY%26l%7CEMIS-7CEUx%2C%5D to no longer receive posts from MacDailyNews. Change your email settings at Manage Subscriptions https://subscribe.wordpress.com/?key=7dec5edb203752be92f56264ccf603ddemail=christopherh40%40gmail.com. *Trouble clicking?* Copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://macdailynews.com/2014/06/10/apple-removing-music-downloading-apps-from-app-store/ Thanks for flying with WordPress.com http://wordpress.com -- Take care, Ty http://tds-solutions.net He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries
Re: Mac Daily News
Even better, you can just leave a digest of what you found, once a day, with the links. Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/06/2014, at 2:34 am, Robert C gone.to.da...@gmail.com wrote: Well unless the list owner says to stop, why stop? But providing a link to the site would probably work well so those who want the news can get it themselves. From what I read, some of the news should be of interest to the list anyway. Quote of the nanosecond . . . Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. Robert Annie Yanni ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 6/10/2014 8:26 AM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote: Hi all Just want to apologize for the unnecessary clutter. I just thought the news I forward was ideal to share with the list. Will not do so from this point. No offence or hard feelings by the way. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Mac Daily News
No Chris, You don't have to stop it altogether. Just don't spam it :) You seem really keen on letting us all know about the news and that's great, but there are other ways to share it correctly without flooding the space. Like i said, a digest. Or even some kind of stream on twitter. Cheers, Yuma Antoine Decaux Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 On 11/06/2014, at 7:17 am, CJ Daniel cj.bear.dan...@gmail.com wrote: So, because you didn't see the point, someone else is supposed to modify their behavior? In case you didn't catch that, the emphasis was on the pronoun you. Seriously, CJ On Jun 10, 2014, at 2:12 PM, Dave O. dave...@gmail.com wrote: If people are interested in the types of things he was posting, they can be found on the web. I didn't really see the point, since it didn't really fit into the purpose of this list. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
anyone successful with vim in the terminal?
Hi ALl, As the subject suggests it, i wanted to know if anyone has any success in using vim with the mac. I'm still looking for the perfect coding environment on the mac and so far i'm still stuck with text editor. I know VIM and emacs are really good for this, but i'd like to stick to vim for now and see if i can use it properly. Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Light has no value without darkness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: FCC seeks comment on Amazons request for waiver of accessibility requirements
Hi Eric, This is a sound idea as it places weight on the board. Have you made some general calculations on the number of blind/visually impaired individuals potentially capable of buying 10 amazon shares at 260 USD current?Far as i know, there are 45 million blind and visually impaired individuals around the world. Most of them in developing countries. Breaking it down to say, Australia, there are about 50 so far, of them i would be interested to know who fulfills the criterias of age and financial capability. Or, some of the organizations themselves, from the donations they get, could actually buy shares of various entities to get their message across. There are complications and obstacles, but this is a very cool idea. Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness On 11/08/2013, at 12:13 PM, Sean Murphy mhysnm1...@gmail.com wrote: Eric, I like your concept and is something that I have promoted with other people. Not necessarily in the same method. Government laws and education only goes so far. Money speaks far louder for public companies. So Eric, drop me a note off line so we can compare notes. Sean On 09/08/2013, at 7:55 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: well, there is one thing we can do to force the issue: everyone who is blind should buy up 10 shares of amazon stock and then assign it to a trusted proxy as a single voting block. If enough shares are allocated this way, the board of directors will have no choice but to listen. Its an idea I have suggested before, but it seems no one wants to do this, even when I know the method will work. This seems to be the one problem our community has: we can't seem to act in a unified fashion (I.E. the NFB v. the ACB, etc.). This needs to change or we will be stuck and marginalized. -eric On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: I'm always torn in the discussions of regulating accessibility. On the one side the lack of regulation means slacker companies will continue doing what they have been while companies who care will continue doing a good job. Once a law requiring accessibility hits a particular product the discussion usually turns to discerning the minimum that can be done to pass the bad smell test for the regulations (and avoid the fines). In other words, compliance does not equal accessibility. It's the age old choice between enlist or comply. If you enlist in the ideals I'm trying to persuade you about you're more likely to do a good job and not need much else to motivate your work. If you are complying then you're just trying to avoid getting hit by my stick and will do the minimum possible to stay beyond its reach. The former is the hope but the latter is CVAA and other regulations. It's unfortunate that companies have not figured out that by not doing accessibility when they had a choice means everybody is lessened when the choices are gone. Companies now have to prove compliance and add a lot of cost to the process and consumers get stuff that has the minimum accessibility slapped together to pass whatever tests are being used. A rather sad state. CB On 8/8/13 10:08 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: There are other choices. The newest versions of android are just as accessible, and these are made by several manufacturers. Original message: Hi all, I really have to agree with Eric, here. In response to Barry, what Apple did with the iPhone 3Gs was to make a main-stream device accessible to us. And yes, that still has the potential to level the playing field . But the playing field is hardly level if Apple is the only company doing this, if for no other reason than what that means is that blind consumers would only have one choice. I agree with Bary. I love my Apple products and have absolutely no interest in personally owning a Kindle. But I work with lots of students who do have them. Kindle does a lot more in textbooks than other e-text providers, which means that people will want to buy these devices for school. Isn't it reasonable to strive to have the same level of choice in our mobile technology as our sighted peers? Sandy is right, there's a big gap between the ideal and the current reality, but that's a big reason why I think it's worth doing everything we can to stop Amazon from getting this waiver. Barry may be correct, and that all our comments may be for naught. However, the only way we'll know is to try. Best, Donna On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:01 AM, eric oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to live the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should we accept anything less? -eric On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became accessible, everyone thinking
Re: OSX code to detect voiceover
Hi, I think for MAC OS what he should look for is NSSpeechSynthesizer then alloc initWithVoice(default). Created as a sub-class to NSSpeechSynthesizer would do the trick? Light has no value without darkness On 1/08/2013, at 1:55 AM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: I'm trying to help a developer who is writing a chat app. He has a preference to speak incoming messages but it would be even better if that preference was turned on by default if the app detected that voiceover is running. On iOS I found a UIAccessibilityIsVoiceOverRunning() method which returns a boolean and a UIAccessibilityVoiceOverStatusChanged notification but had no luck digging up an OSX equivalent. Does anyone know how to do this so I can pass it along to the developer? CB -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
math ml in safari?
Hi All, I'm currently working with a phd student to get math ml converted properly from latex source files to math ml files. We noticed that safari doesn't read math ml symbols, unlike firefox which does it out of the box. I was wondering if there was a plugin to install for this to function in safari. Any help greatly appreciated. Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Light has no value without darkness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Your First Mac App (Voiceover and XCode)
Hi again, Just wanted to update ya'll about my x-code endeavor and now i have learned to place UI elements and control them programmatically, which is actually a far better and powerful experience. It's a bit like creating an sql database with file maker pro and doing it programmatically. the latter is much better if you know the language. Anyway, just wanted to thank those of you who have been kind enough to relay some important tips and tricks and links. Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness On 21/07/2013, at 4:13 PM, Steve Holmes steve.holme...@gmail.com wrote: I want to personally thank you for the tips and references you have offered here. I'm an experienced programmer though I have barely touched programming with xcode. I have one of those books I recently bought for introducing iOS programming but I think I would rather start with something on the Mac first and then move to an iOS environment. Anyway, there's a bunch to learn here. I'm anxious to move away from mainframe programming as that has been a dieing profession for years. On Jul 6, 2013, at 11:32 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: First, just to be clear I never have mouse follows vo turned on in the utility. Put vo on the unknown and then rout the mouse. Make sure the mouse is where you want it with vo-f5. If it isn't, some times the splitters can inter fear so you might need to try moving them around. Same thing in the header file. I lock the mouse with shift-vo-command-space then move vo to the header file. I've noticed that starting in Lion, the mouse follows vo when the mouse is locked and cursor tracking is on. I have cursor tracking when I drag to a header file. There are other situations when you will need to turn it off. Last but not least, XCode can be buggy. You just have to learn to deal with it if you use it. On Jul 6, 2013, at 2:27 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Barry, Just as clarification, when you drag, what state is mouse pointer on? Do you go to the unknown, vo command shift space with mouse following voice over cursor, then go to the header file, or do you first toggle cursor tracking off before moving from unknown to the header file? Best regards, and thanks a lot for helping out Light has no value without darkness On 6/07/2013, at 8:04 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: There has been some discussion recently in regards to whether or not one can use Voiceover with Interface builder. I'm not sure that this list is the most appropriate place for discussing this, but I feel that there have been some inaccurate assertions made and I wanted to attempt to clear up a few points for the sate of those who are programmers on this list and are interested in learning about developing apps with XCode. As the subject implies, I am using the tutorial found at https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#referencelibrary/GettingStarted/RoadMapOSX/books/RM_YourFirstApp_Mac/Articles/GettingStarted.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012262-TP40012101-CH2-SW8. I realize the IOS is the hottest thing, but I think that this example is a little cleaner for the purpose of explaining this. It works the same for the most part for an IOS app and I will point out the most important differences at the end. I'm also only going to go over laying out the window and referencing the objects in the xib in your code. The tutorial explains how to create a project etc. Make sure that the xib is opened in the source area and that the utilities are visible with command-option-0. First, add the controls to the windows content view: 1. With the mainmenu.xib file opened in the source group, make sure the document outline is visible. You should see a table with all of the objects in the xib. 2. Find the window object in the table and expand it to expose the content view. 3. Move vo to the library group, interact, and select the object library radio button. 4. Find text field, with vo, rout the mouse to vo, and lock the mouse. 5. Move vo to the windows content view in the outline, then release the mouse. Now the content view should contain the textfield. (Note that this can be glitchy sometimes and you might have to try it again but not very often.) 6. Repeat for the slider and button. Designing the layout: I'm going to arrange the controls in a column centered in the window and left justified with the button close to the bottom of the window. 1. Select the content view and go to the size inspector. Git the width and height. I have 480 by 360 2. In the xib, select the text field and. In the size inspector, make sure layout rectangle is selected and select the origin to be the top left corner. 3. In the origin section, type 20 in the x field and 340 for the y value. Then stretch it across the window until the right side is 20
Re: New PDF reader
That's absolutely hilarious and depressing at the same time LOL. Light has no value without darkness On 11/07/2013, at 4:02 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: I've just tried it. It doesn't work. On Jul 10, 2013, at 3:15 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Anyone try the one released by the Swiss National Assoc. of and for the Blind (SNAB)? Just stumbled upon it today but apparently it came out June 24th. http://www.szb.ch/en/press/press-releases/the-first-pdf-reader-for-visually-impaired-people.html Mac download is here: http://www.szb.ch/fileadmin/programme/mac/VIP_PDF-Reader-english.zip Oddly enough, I found it to be totally inaccessible. CB -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: xcode creating actions and outlets
Actually, it's not gcc anymore but lvm something. I read it in one of the objective c primers, starting x-code 4.5 As for testing the code, there is one called code runner which i found on the appstore, which i quite like as it's small footprint, compatible with 10 languages, including objective c, and is actively developed and has some good features. However, as i've been able to place ui elements and connect them through x-code, i'm going through the objective c on ios tutorial book. The document on objective c's internals is helping me understand the differences in implementation and code practices between python which i learned this past semester and objective C. Very helpful i have to mention. Cheers, Yuma Light has no value without darkness On 8/07/2013, at 8:35 AM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello Yuma. You will need some kind of compiler or IDE to practice with. How do you plan to proceed? On Jul 7, 2013, at 7:21 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry, i didn't mention not using x-code, but more in the attempt of harnessing the syntax used in objective c rather than concentrating on the interface or IB in x-code for now. Light has no value without darkness On 7/07/2013, at 8:11 PM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello Yuma. If you aren't using XCode to learn Objective-C, what compiler are you using? On Jul 6, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: xcode creating actions and outlets
Sorry, i didn't mention not using x-code, but more in the attempt of harnessing the syntax used in objective c rather than concentrating on the interface or IB in x-code for now. Light has no value without darkness On 7/07/2013, at 8:11 PM, Paul Hunt prhu...@att.net wrote: Hello Yuma. If you aren't using XCode to learn Objective-C, what compiler are you using? On Jul 6, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Your First Mac App (Voiceover and XCode)
Hi Barry, Just as clarification, when you drag, what state is mouse pointer on? Do you go to the unknown, vo command shift space with mouse following voice over cursor, then go to the header file, or do you first toggle cursr tracking off before moving from unknown to the header file? Best regards, and thanks a lot for helping out Light has no value without darkness On 6/07/2013, at 8:04 AM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: There has been some discussion recently in regards to whether or not one can use Voiceover with Interface builder. I'm not sure that this list is the most appropriate place for discussing this, but I feel that there have been some inaccurate assertions made and I wanted to attempt to clear up a few points for the sate of those who are programmers on this list and are interested in learning about developing apps with XCode. As the subject implies, I am using the tutorial found at https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#referencelibrary/GettingStarted/RoadMapOSX/books/RM_YourFirstApp_Mac/Articles/GettingStarted.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40012262-TP40012101-CH2-SW8. I realize the IOS is the hottest thing, but I think that this example is a little cleaner for the purpose of explaining this. It works the same for the most part for an IOS app and I will point out the most important differences at the end. I'm also only going to go over laying out the window and referencing the objects in the xib in your code. The tutorial explains how to create a project etc. Make sure that the xib is opened in the source area and that the utilities are visible with command-option-0. First, add the controls to the windows content view: 1. With the mainmenu.xib file opened in the source group, make sure the document outline is visible. You should see a table with all of the objects in the xib. 2. Find the window object in the table and expand it to expose the content view. 3. Move vo to the library group, interact, and select the object library radio button. 4. Find text field, with vo, rout the mouse to vo, and lock the mouse. 5. Move vo to the windows content view in the outline, then release the mouse. Now the content view should contain the textfield. (Note that this can be glitchy sometimes and you might have to try it again but not very often.) 6. Repeat for the slider and button. Designing the layout: I'm going to arrange the controls in a column centered in the window and left justified with the button close to the bottom of the window. 1. Select the content view and go to the size inspector. Git the width and height. I have 480 by 360 2. In the xib, select the text field and. In the size inspector, make sure layout rectangle is selected and select the origin to be the top left corner. 3. In the origin section, type 20 in the x field and 340 for the y value. Then stretch it across the window until the right side is 20 points from the right edge by selecting the origin in the top left corner and typing a value of 440 in the width field. Note that you could also resize the window to fit the text field, but this is more simple. 4. Change the origin to the bottom left corner and get the y value. I have 318. 5. Select the slider and in the size inspector, set the origin to top left, set the x origin to 20 and the y to 308. That positions the slider 20 points from the left edge of the window and 10 points below the textfield. 6. With the button selected, set the origin to bottom left, set x origin to 20 and the y origin to 20. You can build an run at this point, but you can also check your work with out even running the app by choosing simulate document in the editor menu. Cocoa simulator will open and you should be able to move vo up and down through the lined up controls. Create actions and outlets: 1. Select the AppDelegate object in the outline and open the assistant editor. In the source pain, you should now see the appdelegate.h file opened next to the xib. 2. Select the button in the xib file and in the connections inspector, find the sent actions list. 3. The only item at this point in the list is selector. Move vo to the unknown item directly to the right of it and drag from it to the area in the header file between the @interface and @end directives. 4. When you release the mouse at this point, a connections dialog will come up where you will type the name of the action.. Type mute then press ok. In the header file, you will now see the definition of the action. - (IBAction)mute:(id)sender; 5. Select the text field in the outline and in the connections inspector, find the referencing outlets list. 6. drag from the unknown thing next to new referencing outlet to a blank area in the class declaration in the header file. In the connection dialog type textField in the name. 7. Repeat for the slider. When
Re: xcode creating actions and outlets
Hi, There is a method which i found on the maccessibility news page. Convoluted, and not able to do it yet, it's driving me crazy. I might try it programmatically but i'm going through a textbook method and they're entirely gui based so i'm left wanting, once more. Starting to get tired of the whole idea of computers. Feel like throwing this macbook out and hammer it Light has no value without darkness On 5/07/2013, at 12:28 PM, Tyler Thompson tktpianostud...@gmail.com wrote: To tack on to my previous comment here’s how you can programatically link objects with objective c NSButton *theButton; [theButton addTarget:self action:@selector(buttonMethod:) forControlEvents:someControlEvent]; On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am going through an IOS book right now, and am stuck at a point where i need to create an action in my controller for a button. I'm supposed to control drag a button to my assistant editor so that x code can automatically place the appropriate action method and properties to my project.h, project.m and project.xib files. But there is no control drag in voice over. Is this another unsurmountable obstacle or is there actually a method to do this? Any help greatly appreciated Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Light has no value without darkness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: xcode creating actions and outlets
Do you have a link where i can see where i'm supposed to programmatically link controls? I know there are statements to include in controller.h controller.m and application.xib, but im not sure what i'm supposed to write in application.xib Any help greatly appreciated. I've given up on emulating interface manipulation with voice over, its the most time wasting thing i've done so far. Light has no value without darkness On 5/07/2013, at 2:12 PM, Tyler Thompson tktpianostud...@gmail.com wrote: believe me i understand the frustrations of working with objective C, especially if it’s new. As it happens I find that programmatically linking your UI elements tends to actually work a little better (as it gives you much more control), but for each person it’s different :) On Jul 5, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, There is a method which i found on the maccessibility news page. Convoluted, and not able to do it yet, it's driving me crazy. I might try it programmatically but i'm going through a textbook method and they're entirely gui based so i'm left wanting, once more. Starting to get tired of the whole idea of computers. Feel like throwing this macbook out and hammer it Light has no value without darkness On 5/07/2013, at 12:28 PM, Tyler Thompson tktpianostud...@gmail.com wrote: To tack on to my previous comment here’s how you can programatically link objects with objective c NSButton *theButton; [theButton addTarget:self action:@selector(buttonMethod:) forControlEvents:someControlEvent]; On Jul 4, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I am going through an IOS book right now, and am stuck at a point where i need to create an action in my controller for a button. I'm supposed to control drag a button to my assistant editor so that x code can automatically place the appropriate action method and properties to my project.h, project.m and project.xib files. But there is no control drag in voice over. Is this another unsurmountable obstacle or is there actually a method to do this? Any help greatly appreciated Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Light has no value without darkness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
xcode creating actions and outlets
Hi All, I am going through an IOS book right now, and am stuck at a point where i need to create an action in my controller for a button. I'm supposed to control drag a button to my assistant editor so that x code can automatically place the appropriate action method and properties to my project.h, project.m and project.xib files. But there is no control drag in voice over. Is this another unsurmountable obstacle or is there actually a method to do this? Any help greatly appreciated Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Light has no value without darkness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
rss readers out there after google reader demise
Hi all, If anyone uses google reader extensively, does anyone have a replacement reader that syncs somewhere and can provide rss on the desktop instead of those slow and annoying web based rss readers? I'm trying to find the best solution, and already going through a lot of obstacles with google not being accessible for downloading my list of feeds, netnewswire's new interface having lost accessibility, etc. Nightmare Light has no value without darkness Light has no value without darkness -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: accessible regular epxression app for the mac?
Thanks for the suggestion. I was using grep to practice on files in the command line, but didn't think CAT had it. Will be trying this out Cheers Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 31/05/2013, at 2:21 PM, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Could you just practice using the command line in terminal? For example you could make a test text file called 'bob' and then use sed to run some regex substitution like this: cat test | sed 's/And/Dan/g' which would replace all the instances of 'And' in the output of the cat command with 'Dan'. CB On 5/30/13 11:23 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Hi all, As mentioned in the subject line, does anyone know of an accessible regular expression practice tool, desktop app or other? Really keen on practicing this very useful tool. Best regards, Yuma Mail Attachment.jpeg Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: zato1.jpg
accessible regular epxression app for the mac?
Hi all, As mentioned in the subject line, does anyone know of an accessible regular expression practice tool, desktop app or other? Really keen on practicing this very useful tool. Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: zato1.jpg
emulating control click
Hi all, I'm digging into file maker pro for my information systems course, and wanted to know if anyone here can emulate a control mouse click? It seems fairly straight forward, but it's not. Any help greatly appreciated. Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: zato1.jpg
Re: emulating control click
Yep, i did think ctrl option shift m does that. I'll try with the mouse click on the trackpad itself. Best regarrds, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 26/03/2013, at 7:16 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Yuma, What do you mean by emulating a Control-Click? You can do a Control-Click by bringing the mouse to where you want to do this and holding down the Control key while clicking with trackpad or mouse. Also, VO-Shift-m should do the same thing but doesn't always work. Cheers, Anne On 26 Mar 2013, at 09:42, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm digging into file maker pro for my information systems course, and wanted to know if anyone here can emulate a control mouse click? It seems fairly straight forward, but it's not. Any help greatly appreciated. Yuma zato1.jpg Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: zato1.jpg
fantastical calendar accessible?
Hi All, I'm wondering if fantastical, a calendar app that sounds really cool is accessible. Has anyone plunged into buying it and found out the contrary? Or is it accessible and everyone is using it? Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: zato1.jpg
special mathematical symbols and the rest
Hi all, I'm still having a lot of trouble reading math symbols properly with voice over, especially when they are typed in a stream of characters. For instance the greek capital letter phi reads fine by itself, but not when compounded with an symbol and another greek letter after it, with spacing. Is there no other granular method of reading out a sentence? Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: zato1.jpg
Re: special mathematical symbols and the rest
Hi Again, I know these three methods, but i'm looking for a better solution to read the characters without either setting pronounciation to all nor read character by character. Say i have the greek small symbol tau, if it's connected to any other character it won't read on any setting other than read all. Is therre any way to bind for instance the tau symbol to a tau word, like an alias of the word so that next time voice over passes the line, it identifies the symbol as a word. Any help greatly appreciated. Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 2/03/2013, at 11:56 AM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, The best way to read detailed formatting like this is to use a Braille display. Failing that, setting punctuation to All can also work well, or, failing that, read the section character-by-character. HTH, Harry On Mar 1, 2013, at 2:36 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I'm still having a lot of trouble reading math symbols properly with voice over, especially when they are typed in a stream of characters. For instance the greek capital letter phi reads fine by itself, but not when compounded with an symbol and another greek letter after it, with spacing. Is there no other granular method of reading out a sentence? Best regards, Yuma zato1.jpg Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: zato1.jpg
o.t french audiobooks?
Hi All, I was wondering if any of you is or speaks french natively, and where you go for your books, mostly audio books. I'm looking for some more obscure books written by modern philosophers and sociologists such as Alain Soral, but i guess these wont be found on audible. Anyone got a hint? Thanks Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: zato1.jpg
Re: o.t french audiobooks?
Hi Anne, Sometimes i just spin the cart before the ox. I checked audible.fr right after writing the mail, and yes it's available. Would have been nice to centralize it with my main amazon account, but this will do. I have some trouble with reading books in pdf or other e format as it too closely resembles reading technical textbooks which i do all the time with voice over. Thanks for the tip Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 19/02/2013, at 9:03 PM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Yuma, Have you tried audible.fr? Otherwise, how do you feel about reading ebooks? ebooks from FNAC can be read on your Mac using Adobe Digital Editions. Cheers, Anne On 19 Feb 2013, at 11:45, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I was wondering if any of you is or speaks french natively, and where you go for your books, mostly audio books. I'm looking for some more obscure books written by modern philosophers and sociologists such as Alain Soral, but i guess these wont be found on audible. Anyone got a hint? Thanks Yuma zato1.jpg Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. inline: zato1.jpg
Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!
Hello, Thank you Sarah for having an earnest look at the MS Office situation for blind mac users. Since the latest release has been ported to the 64 bit coco framework, and that menus work fine with voice over, the bulk of the work wil be to make sure axaccessibility tags are added to every non accessible or custom elements in the applications. The impact of making the office suite accessible to voice over users will be tremendous in many fields, academic and professional. The extent to which MS Office is being used has been an obstacle for many blind mac users who need to find alternative solutions which aren't comparable when taking into account the time lost trying to complete seemingly simple tasks. I wanted to add my voice of support in your endeavor and hope that you can help us achieve another step up in integrating the work force. If i can help with anything, such as bug reporting or finding inaccessible or untagged ui elements through the standard x-code tools, please do know that i will dedicate time for it, just as many others in this mailing list would. With our concerted efforts, we may push one important pro suite into full accessibility, and that sounds really nice :) Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +61 (0)410732547 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 2/02/2013, at 9:22 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I honestly think that the lack of Voiceover accessibility of the MS Office suite holds back many potential Mac users from switching over. For example, I've spent much time talking with adaptive tech specialist, rehab and state agencies and, most see the Mac as a entertainment console instead of a well rounded machine that can support both ones professional and leisure computing tasks. These agencies are all about getting visually impaired people through college, vocational training, and ultimately employed. They look at the lack of MS Office accessibility as a non starter for those wanting training or, access to Macs. Many blind and visually impaired people look to these institutions for their computer training and equipment. If the Mac could be viewed as a more productivity driven computer, the better. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Feb 1, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Gabe Vega theblindt...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks John and Sarah. I agree this access to Office is vital in my line of work with cooperating with clients we work with in our field. Gabe Vega CEO Commtech LLC Web: http://commtechusa.net Email: i...@commtechusa.net Phone: (623) 565-9357 On Feb 1, 1:02 pm, J.P. jshandr...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome Sara, I am glad you made it on the list. I'm excited to see what comes of this. To my fellow peers on this list, Sara and I have been communicating everyday for a week. I can assure you she is interested. Just by the questions she has asked. I personally wrote a note to Microsoft about the lack of accessibility. sara contacted me the very next day. I appreciate that when I explained about our lists, she took the initiative herself to join. I contacted the moderator last night to expedite getting her here. It's more genuine coming from her. Me not being the middle man. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: Programming OSX Applications
Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 16/01/2013, at 2:24 PM, Yuma decaux blindsamu...@icloud.com wrote: Hi barry, You mentioned being able to use interface builder with voice over. Have you been doing it with the mouse/drag and drop or by code? If the latter, can you provide me a link i can read on it? I have spent yesterday evening/night figuring out how to work it with vo and reading on a lot of guides and example ui elements. Any help greatly appreciated. Best regards, Yuma zato1.jpg Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 16/01/2013, at 12:09 PM, Barry Hadder bhad...@gmail.com wrote: Harry, I know that this post is kind of old , but it doesn't look like you ever got an answer, and I think I can help. First of all, you can read the output of your command line program in the debug console. In the source group, move the vo cursor until you here it say debug and interact with it. Then move vo until you hear debug console. As far as learning programming goes, it sounds like you have the right approach. Learn the basic mechanics and program structures such as loops, functions, pointers, etc. Then start learning about object oriented programming. There are lots of different oop languages out there and they all have their own syntax, but the most important thing to focus on is the concepts of oop. It certainly takes a lot of practice, but I think that you will find that it is easier than you think. You can use interface builder with vo to design an interface, but I wouldn't recommend you do much with that until you are very comfortable with oop concepts. Hope that helped. Harry Hogue wrote: Hello, guys, First, I am completely new to programming, and I've heard that it is best to start with learning C programming and then move to Objective C which is what is used for OSX and IOS. I have downloaded Xcode 4.5.2, I think it is, and was wondering if there are any general suggestions for using it with VoiceOver. Since much of the interface is dragging and dropping, my instinct says that coding instead would be the more logical, if time-consuming choice. In this way, the programmer would have a better idea of exactly where on the screen things appear, etc. Since I am completely new to programming, I would like to get started in a way that is helpful. I have looked at C programming tutorials, but when I try and test the command line tool template program @HelloWorld,@ I get the message, @Build Succeeded@ but nothing else from VoiceOver. Something tells me the message appeared and then went away, as it is supposed to, but VoiceOver never read it. For purposes of playing with code and testing my code, how should I approach this_ is there a certain file(s) I should be inputting code into as I read tutorials online, and a certain way to test them or a place to test them with VoiceOver so they will be read by VoiceOver_ Again, I am just wanting to play around with the basics, here. it fascinates me. I have no plans for creating much of anything -- programming takes years and years of practice, and, more importantly, errors and learning how to redo code and debugging to get it right. Thanks for any pointers, guys. Harry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
Re: audio hi-jack pro the one method to record simultaneous sources at once. Please help
Hi all, Thanks for the applescript suggestion ricardo. Nice to know it has it's own library to work with. Will fiddle with it to see what can be done. Regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 9/01/2013, at 5:18 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, The best way I've found to do this is to first hijack all the sources you would like to use then, use this multi recording apple script I will be providing a link for at the end of this message. I've taken the script, placed it in Mac HD/library/scripts so I could then assign the script with a VO keyboard commander shortcut or, a trackpad commander shortcut if you prefer. So once my sources are hijacked, I press the command to trigger the multi record script, and all sources I hijacked are being recorded and they are synced. The down side is all hijacked sources are on individual files. I then put all the recordings into Garageband and export as a single file. Of course, you can use any multi track recorder of your choice to do this. I found myself having to jump through all these hoops because, later versions of hijack pro with instan on didn't record my microphone while system audio was being recorded. multi record script plus the script to stop multi recordings. https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/Multi%20record%20scripts.zip Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jan 8, 2013, at 1:58 AM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi ALl, So i've managed to find a lot of different sources and uses for audiohijack, and it's a great tool to have. However, i'm looking for a definite and efficient way to simultaneously record different sources at once (for podcasting, skype while using system sounds, etc etc.). The only half baked method i've found was to schedule a recording at a certain time, say in 5 minutes, for two or more sources, and wait until it starts. Not the best though there's no audio work to do to synch each source's recording afterward. Any help greatly appreciated. Best yYuma zato1.jpg Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. inline: zato1.jpg
audio hi-jack pro the one method to record simultaneous sources at once. Please help
Hi ALl, So i've managed to find a lot of different sources and uses for audiohijack, and it's a great tool to have. However, i'm looking for a definite and efficient way to simultaneously record different sources at once (for podcasting, skype while using system sounds, etc etc.). The only half baked method i've found was to schedule a recording at a certain time, say in 5 minutes, for two or more sources, and wait until it starts. Not the best though there's no audio work to do to synch each source's recording afterward. Any help greatly appreciated. Best yYuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. inline: zato1.jpg
Re: Never had so many problems with my Mac in almost 3 years
Hi Shawn, For the pronounciation, open the voice over utility, go to verbosity, go to the text tab on the right, then in there you will find the setting. As for the crashes, you seem to have quite some add-ons everywhere that might cause the crashing. Depending on the system you have and the load on your memory, you might be having a lot of processes running, which may or may not explain the issue. Hope this helps Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 6/01/2013, at 4:12 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone. You hardly ever hear me complain about my experience on the Mac, but now the glitches are just really too stupid. First off, Growl keeps crashing Voiceover every few times when people sign in or out of either Facebook or Skype and those stupid developers have no other way for people to contact them besides their stupid mailing list. And now with the update to Chromevox, whenever I read emails or forum posts, punctuations get read out to me which I don't care about. I would like to be able to read something without hearing quote, colon, all of that stuff. Sure, they say that there is a way to change the setting so that you can control how much punctuation is being said, but what is it? I've looked everywhere in that Chromevox keyboard help but I can't find f*ck all. So I really hope this stuff gets fixed soon because I don't know how much more of these stupid glitches I can take. Rant over. Shawn Sent from my white Mac Book -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. inline: zato1.jpg
Re: for advanced users only
Hi again, thanks for the side-track feedback on braille. I know it's a rather important and also beneficial skill to have. Don't know how long it will take me to be fully capable but i think i will eventually need to jump into it. I will try what Mark suggested though i'm fully advocating for an enhancement here, as it would really bring some clarity when i read technical documents :) Best Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 6/01/2013, at 3:41 PM, Rod Skene skene...@gmail.com wrote: True, a small percentage of blind people use braille. However, as much as 90% of blind people employed today are Braille users. I would recommend anyone who cannot use print to learn braille. I learned braille as an adult because I am newly blinded too. it has given me many more opportunities with or without technology. I apologize for getting off topic. I just feel it is so important to learn braille if you cannot use print. I will never read Braille as fast as I used to read print but it has greatly enhanced my life. Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse any spelling errors. On 05/01/2013, at 5:42 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Hi yuma, I love that tag at the end of your message BTW...bubble bath indeed. I simply wanted to point out that you are in the majority not being a braille user. Even a basic google of braille brings up figures indicating less than 15% even less than 10% in some cases of those experiencing sight loss of SOME kind use braille. there are far more options for getting information that people can choose from these days. much success finding the solution fitting your unique experiences and needs. Karen On Sun, 6 Jan 2013, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Hi All, Thanks for the suggestions. However: 1-being relatively recently blind, i haven't had much time learning braille as my disability is related to trauma and only went for fundamentals, and i'm too slow for anything on that front. 2-i tried dictionary suggestion but voice over assumes the same rules when reading by blocks of text. 3-Because of how the text is formatted in the textbook pdfs, it would be a tremendous ammount of superfluous work to ask disability staff at uni to modify everything for me. The solution would just be an option in the voice over utility/speech/pronounciations where each added custom pronounciation has it's verbosity setting. Say you want semi-colons to be spoken but not colons, or brackets versus perenthesis or square brackets when they surround normal brackets, etc etc. The difference between all or most is insignificant, and there should be a more granular approach for specialized text such as for engineering or special litterature. I have sent a detailed description through the developer site and hope someone might look into it Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 6/01/2013, at 6:40 AM, Laura M laura.mcgl...@gmail.com wrote: That's exactly what I was going to suggest. It's not a perfect solution, but it's the one I use in these situations. Sometimes I find I need to put a space before or after the symbol when I'm writing the text in the pronunciation editor. Without that, I find VoiceOver still just ignores the punctuation mark. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/macvisionaries/-/xcc-5De2Sx0J. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't
Re: mat lab for mac, anyone tried it?
Hi Donna, What are you talking about? my signature's just trying to protect your mac's shelf life :) Please do chime in if you get any further clarity on this issue. I've contacted matlab directly and waiting for something of an answer. Best Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 3/01/2013, at 8:13 PM, Donovan Osborn donovan303...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately I don't have an answer for you but I just had to say I love your email signature. I also have this question as I am working with DoR right now for IT classes in 2014. So good luck to you. Sincerely, Donovan Osborn donovan303...@gmail.com On Jan 2, 2013, at 11:11 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, It's been a while since i got on the mailing list. Real life and all :) I'm due to start my bachelors in IT/Maths next month, and have been given a list of applications i will be required to use. If i could avoid anything windows and jaws, i would preffer it, and wondered if anyone here dealt with matlab for mac, and if it's accessible. Any suggestion greatly appreciated. best regards, Yuma zato1.jpg Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. inline: zato1.jpg
Re: Never had so many problems with my Mac in almost 3 years
Hi Shawn, I can't say anything for chromevox as i won't venture into having more than one screen reader on my mac. It guzzles ressources. Second, voice over tends to crash , freeze or get erratic when the system voice talks on top of the default voice. Say for instance you're reading a pdf, and growl notice from skype comes up, because voice over isn't multi-threaded, it tends to have difficulties in speaking out both instances simultaneously. I've also noticed that you're on a white macbook. What year is that? Things generally tend to bog down and become unstable as memory runs out, which is what i was trying to say. Cheers Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 7/01/2013, at 3:47 AM, Shawn Krasniuk bigbigshawn@gmail.com wrote: Hi Yuma. The punctuation issues aren't happening in Voiceover, they're happening in Chromevox, the screen reader for the Google Chrome browser. Also, my whole computer isn't crashing, it's just Voiceover when people sign in and out of either Facebook or Skype and Growl tells me so when Voiceover is talking. Shawn Sent from my white Mac Book -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. inline: zato1.jpg
for advanced voice over users only
Hi all, I m trying to figure out a setting on voice over to allow certain punctuation symbols to be announced and others not. Ok, this seems like an impossibility, but hear me out: there are many symbols which voice over does not read unless you go character by character, and those aren't only commas, dots or colons when attached to words. Math symbols, greek symbols and other types fall into the same category. This is no good when reading maths statistics or physics, and i'm desperately trying to figure out a solution. I've tried using voice over's text attribute modifier so as to change how voice over speaks an item. say for example the alfa symbol. normally you wouldn't hear anything, but changing the symbol to simply alfa will declare it. But only declare it if the speak all punctuation is selected in the verbosity levels. If no-one has a solution to this, i might take it to apple engineers to try to find us one as it seems all screen readers have the same issue, namely that many ansillary symbols or uncommon characters are recognized as punctuation and not actual characters, giving a hard time actually identifying them in text, or altogether breaking the flow of a passage when reading books or text books. Any help or suggestions greatly apreciated. Best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. inline: zato1.jpg
re: for advanced users only
Hi All, Thanks for the suggestions. However: 1-being relatively recently blind, i haven't had much time learning braille as my disability is related to trauma and only went for fundamentals, and i'm too slow for anything on that front. 2-i tried dictionary suggestion but voice over assumes the same rules when reading by blocks of text. 3-Because of how the text is formatted in the textbook pdfs, it would be a tremendous ammount of superfluous work to ask disability staff at uni to modify everything for me. The solution would just be an option in the voice over utility/speech/pronounciations where each added custom pronounciation has it's verbosity setting. Say you want semi-colons to be spoken but not colons, or brackets versus perenthesis or square brackets when they surround normal brackets, etc etc. The difference between all or most is insignificant, and there should be a more granular approach for specialized text such as for engineering or special litterature. I have sent a detailed description through the developer site and hope someone might look into it Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. On 6/01/2013, at 6:40 AM, Laura M laura.mcgl...@gmail.com wrote: That's exactly what I was going to suggest. It's not a perfect solution, but it's the one I use in these situations. Sometimes I find I need to put a space before or after the symbol when I'm writing the text in the pronunciation editor. Without that, I find VoiceOver still just ignores the punctuation mark. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/macvisionaries/-/xcc-5De2Sx0J. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. inline: zato1.jpg
mat lab for mac, anyone tried it?
Hi everyone, It's been a while since i got on the mailing list. Real life and all :) I'm due to start my bachelors in IT/Maths next month, and have been given a list of applications i will be required to use. If i could avoid anything windows and jaws, i would preffer it, and wondered if anyone here dealt with matlab for mac, and if it's accessible. Any suggestion greatly appreciated. best regards, Yuma Light has no value without darkness Mob: +642102277190 Skype: Shainobi1 twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7 This message is protected by article 4-210 of a certain book of laws but you don't have to worry about privacy issues if you are the intended recipient. However, if any freakish circumstance such as ip sniffing, honey pot open relay servers or an honest mistake caused a transmission error, please advise the sender and throw your laptop into a bubble bath to avoid all illicit data retention. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. inline: zato1.jpg
something to make it easier for you
Hi Guys, Just wanted to drop you guys a little script i made to help you with copy and pasting stuff from pdfs web or anything actually. The basic premise here is to copy whatever sentence paragraph or whatever text you have, use the copy last phrase to clipboard command and my script will automatically paste it to the end of your text editor window. This is very useful if you have long text that you want copied and pasted from pdf files just as they are supposed to be without wasting time on switching apps, reformatting etc. Here's the script: set thetext to get the clipboard tell application TextEdit set theindex to every paragraph of front document set thecount to count theindex set thecount to thecount + 1 set paragraph thecount of front document to thetext say pasted to text editor end tell Copy it all, paste it into your applescript editor which is /applications/utilitiesapplescript editor / The best thing to do next is to apply a gesture to the script. Here is how i do this: I have option one finger flick down to read the next sentence Option tow finger flick down for next paragraph Then i have option four finger flick left to copy last phrase to clipboard Lastly, i use option pinch out for running the script With this, every paragraph you want to copy is then pasted without switching to the text editor and back. I'll make a better version later on but if you want to play with this one already and test it out, be my guest :) I might make a short podcast to demonstrate how faast one's productivity can get with this technique Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
to those who use google chrome
Just a heads up to let you know that chrome 18 is out, and if you have 17 installed, it will automatically update without asking. A few notes on this new release: 1-now entering a text field is much more obvious, as voice over announces with that clickety sound. 2-the tabs work in a much more fluid way, and as opposed to safari, one doesn't need to first press on the tab then vo right then interact with the html content. Pressing on the tab puts you in the page right away, which i thought was a cool time saver. 3- speed performances are felt, and it's a real pleasure to browse the web. This one i'm keeping as my default browser for now. If apple's team could fix that safari busy issue, i might reconsider but for now, chrome hands down. Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
really want to leave numbers but don't want to use windows
What a dilemma. Iwork's numbers doesn't even have the goal seek function for budgets, an essential feature for any business. And it's not there, i need to find workarounds for it. This is really annoying me, and all the other lacks bugs and continuous neglect from apple about this office suite. I even wonder why i baught the freaking thing as it has only given me headaches and nothing productive. Sorry for the rant everyone, but sometimes i can't believe how far back this application is. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: CalcMadeEasy
Hey Scott, Thanks for the heads up. As per your suggestion i got the ios version, but that was just a temporary solution until the devver got the mac version labelled. Going to get it now Best regards, Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
help with numbers formatting
Hi all, I am working a lot on tables right now, and while trying to format cells borders background colors and font colors, i'm having a lot of trouble with the operations. I've scoured around the googlegroups archives but my keywords don't hit the right areas. I'm specifically looking for that numbers podcast which was posted some time ago. Does anyone have a link to it by any chance? Best regards, Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Apple script example
Hi Mike, Here's a very simple script which can allow some insight. Anything that is a string will be always between quotes while anything in a list will be between braces. Parens, like logical operations, are used to prioritize one operation from another, and they are also used for properties of objects. If you type two dashes at the beginning of line, the line will be considered a comment and not included in the compile. Same for /* and */ where everything between will be ignored. set thevar to text returned of (display dialog what's your name? default answer buttons {cancel, ok} default button 2) Set your_name to thevar Set random_greet to {?hello, hi, what's up, good day} Say an item of random_greet your_name The english is almost palpable in the script, but you need to get the hang of it. And also, get familiar with all the objects in each application's dictionary by pressing command shift o within applescript editor. Here's the script. Broken down by --comments --start by asking the user something set thename to text returned of (display dialog what's your name? default answer buttons {cancel, ok} default button 2) --make or set the variables for containment and use set random_greet to {hello, hi, what's up, good day} set thegreet to some item of random_greet --return the variables as a spoken sentence --leave a few seconds to shut up the system voice over delay 3 say thegreet thename , what can i help you with? This is a totally useless script, but there's a lot of grammar and types in there, and you can replace stuff around to see how it works. Hope this somewhat helps On 11/03/2012, at 8:57 AM, Michael Malarsie michael.malar...@gmail.com wrote: Hey everyone, There has been a lot of talk about apple scripts but I am bringing it up again. I have done a lot of searching on Google about how it works so I have a very small understanding of that. What I don't get thought is how to actually write them. I don't understand what needs quotes around it and what needs brackets and so on. Can someone send me a few scripts of varying difficulty so I can examine how they need to be arranged? I really appreciate any help. Take car! Mike Malarsie P.S. Off topic…are there any runners in here? I just ran my first 5k race today after losing my sight. What a rush!! Finished 7th. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
help please document versions
Hi all, I have a bit of a disaster, i made a lengthy applescript, and mistakenly put in different text, loosing the entire script. I have tried looking for versions but is this accessible? I don't know how to return to a version prior of this file, went to apple documentation but i don't get any indication of how to do it. Has anyone gone through this? And can you explain how it works? Thanks and best Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
selecting sheets in numbers is such a pain
I wonder how much more random it can get. Has anyone cornered this one? Best regards, Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
note from previous message on numbers
So basically i can't really import sheets from excel it seems, they don't appear or do but are just impossible to work around in the sheets viewer. This sucks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
just watched the keynote
A bit lackluster to be honest, though it must be amazing to look at, i was hoping that ipad 3 would finally get that haptic thing going. Aw well, on for the next keynote for that, and perhaps upgrade for iworks, logic pro, and mac pro?? I think i will keep my ipad 2 for now cheers -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: i love applescript
Hello, Applescript requires, at least at the beginning, quite some getting used to and is not for those who don't like puzzling things. If you really want to start figuring it out, there are plenty of beginner's guides via google search. Try applescript tutorial or applescript for beginners. The rewards for understanding the language, as it is after all a language, with dictionaries and grammar, is that you can basically do anything you want to do on your mac, save graphic stuff on certain applications but that's even perhaps conservative as you might be able to draw with expressive functions. The best use of applescript is as follows: Automating repetitive things Automating between applications Shortcut creation Creative text Bots and monitoring agents Speech recognition enhancements The list goes on. At this moment, i just found an applescript extension which allows you to assimilate any scientific math functions into an applescript. This might actually beat any scientific calculator as i can make it customized to my needs. Man, i really recommend anyone technically enclined to take a few months just figuring it out. It's great Best regards, Yuma On 6/03/2012, at 9:45 PM, Daniela Rubio mabuha...@gmail.com wrote: Hello: I am really interested in knowing a little more about Apple Script. I am a Mac user 2 years ago, but I have not developed any skills with it. Is there something where I can learn about Apple script, for what could we use it and how to deal with it? Thank you so much! SALUDOS, DANIELA R.T. MACNETICOS, APPLE Y ACCESIBILIDAD A TU ALCANCE. EN TWITTER: @macneticos NUESTRO BLOG EN: www.macneticus.blogspot.com Y EL PODCAST EN:` http://macneticos.libsyn.com El 06/03/2012, a las 05:27, Yuma Antoine Decaux escribió: Hi list, I was just fed up with going through long stats tables and input everything manually. So i looked for scientific calculators which did certain specific functions for me. Then either they're not yet completely accessible, quirky or just don't have the function, or again are on the iphone and well, it's not the same speed of input right? So back home, in an hour, i tested my applescripting knowledge to make a script which takes any number of variables x and their probabilities, and the script instantly calculates mean, variants and standard deviation. It just freaking works. So now i'm thinking of applying it to every different application, probabilities, NPRs NCRs, trigonometry, complex numbers, everything thrown at me i'll script the correct app and unify them all into one big applescript that will use some objective c elements for the UI. Seriously folks, consider applescript as an advanced tool to do a lot of things quickly and efficiently. The headache lasts a few hours after a month or two reading up and trying different things in applescript, but the rewards are plenty. Now i just wish apple would enhance the voice over dictionary for more power Best regards, Yuma -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.