Re: [CF-metadata] CF region_names

2015-04-24 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, what is this thing about region_names? I only now saw this popping up and must say that I strongly object to adopt these as a standard. Region definitions are so manifold and depend very much on individual applications that I don't see any value in adopting one set of names (here

Re: [CF-metadata] provisional status for changes to the convention

2015-02-05 Thread Schultz, Martin
John, indeed I would consider it as "RFC" version, i.e. a non-released specification. People can try to build datasets/services with this new specification and report problems back, but it would be clear that the pre-release might still change and some software might have to be adapted again

Re: [CF-metadata] provisional status for changes to the convention (Jonathan Gregory)

2015-02-04 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan, all, we have had this discussion about provisional status earlier, and I remember having received quite a bit of support for a proposal to have a provisional status with a fixed lifetime. I still believe this would be better than having to revert changes and create confusing

Re: [CF-metadata] HTAP2 last revisions

2014-11-24 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Alison, great overview! Thanks very much for this. I am happy with all of your suggestions, so you can count my vote if needed. Concerning the "resistance" terminology: This refers to a resistance model approach for which a paper by Wesely, 1989 (Atmos. Env., 23/6) is widely refe

Re: [CF-metadata] string valued coordinates

2014-11-07 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan, Deprecating the units attribute for string and char variables (perhaps int, too?) sounds like a good idea. Yet, I would still second Marc to at least allow for a "None" value in the units attribute - as far as I understand this wouldn't break the compatibility. But, in

Re: [CF-metadata] string valued coordinates (unitless quantities)

2014-11-04 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Mark and all, thanks for this discussion and the motion to approach udunits to advance this issue. Reading through the posts on this, I have two comments, one question, and one afterthought: 1. Why "no_unit" and not simply "none"? "no_unit" could also be "no_units" (in fact the attri

Re: [CF-metadata] mole_concentration_of_air_in_air? (alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk)

2014-07-02 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, I like the term "number_concentration_of_molecules_in_air" (m-3). Thanks, Alison! Best regards, Martin > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2014 11:40:04 + > From: > To: > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] mole_concentration_of_air_in_air? > Message-ID: > <014539ac4976be4490a36

[CF-metadata] Convention document on Github

2014-04-23 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, sorry of this has been asked/commented before: I admit I didn't follow all the Github posts that came in lately. Firstly, let me say that I like the Github look&feel - let's hope this will soon be fully functional. I just tried to get the latest (1.6) conventions document (pdf) a

Re: [CF-metadata] Classification of a "trajectory" with asynchronous time coordinates (Mike Godin)

2014-03-19 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Mike, what you describe sounds to me like a textbook example of what the netcdf4 groups could accomplish without any quirks. Since you do have a separate time axis for each variable, it doesn't make much sense in my view to force them to co-exist in one file at one "level". As far as

Re: [CF-metadata] Editing/publishing workflow (Hattersley, Richard)

2014-03-18 Thread Schultz, Martin
> Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 09:05:36 + > From: "Hattersley, Richard" > To: "Gregory, Jonathan" , > "cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu" > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] Editing/publishing workflow > Message-ID: > <21A2C87797FA6042B162A8A0A11A15DB06F60FCE@EXXCMPD1DAG2 > .cmpd1.metoffic

Re: [CF-metadata] Editing/publishing workflow (Jonathan Gregory)

2014-03-14 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan et all, I sympathize with this change of rules. However, I would propose to couple this to a "final review alert" or whatever you want to call it. A deadline can pass unnoticed, and it would be good to either set a fixed yearly date for accepting changes as final (the "CF s

Re: [CF-metadata] HTAP2 Final proposal = 102 CF Standard Names

2014-01-22 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Brigitte and all, please find below a few comments -- I only copied those names on which I made a comment. Thanks again for this effort! Martin > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: Brigitte Koffi Lefeivre [mailto:brigitte.koffi-lefei...@jrc.ec.europa.eu] > Gesendet: Dienstag, 2

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: fire area, fire, temperature, fire

2013-12-04 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi Charlie, this could be a future extension. Right now, I believe that most products will not make this distinction - hence we need names for these. A natural extension would then be the "due_to" construct: "fire_area_due_to_smoldering_fires". However, these names should only be proposed w

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: fire area, fire temperature, fire radiative power

2013-11-27 Thread Schultz, Martin
> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:36:48 -0500 > From: Gary Meehan > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] new standard names: fire area, fire > temperature, fire radiative power > Message-ID: <5294f850.5070...@aer.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Dear CF Community, > >

Re: [CF-metadata] CF-checker as a script

2013-09-25 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Petra, we developed such a script at Forschungszentrum Juelich: http://redmine.iek.fz-juelich.de/projects/cfchecker. My colleague Michael Decker (m.dec...@fz-juelich.de) will be happy to assist you if you have questions. The tool has been developed in python. Best regards, Martin Sc

Re: [CF-metadata] Are ensembles a compelling use case for "group-aware" metadata? (CZ)

2013-09-19 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi Charlie, very good and extensive explanation of the potential use for groups and group-aware metadata. Yet, I have a few remarks (which may in part reveal that I should probably read the preamble of the CF convention again ;-): > Point 1: How does the user know she has all the realizatio

Re: [CF-metadata] Towards recognizing and exploiting hierarchical groups

2013-09-18 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, maybe we should rephrase the question behind this discussion: How can hierarchies and/or groups be implemented without breaking CF? More specifically, it seems that we should care about not breaking CF when the suitcases are packed or unpacked. It would be a nightmare if anyone o

Re: [CF-metadata] Towards recognizing and exploiting hierarchical groups

2013-09-17 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi again, I fully support Jim's view! Let's not get hung up on whether groups/hierarchies are good or bad. Instead we should consider them a reality and an option rather than a must. They are a bit like a suitcase which you can pack and unpack to carry things around or store them in your ba

Re: [CF-metadata] Towards recognizing and exploiting hierarchical groups (Charlie Zender - Steve Hankin - Richard Signell)

2013-09-16 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, I very much welcome the initiative by Charlie, Ted and Peter on hierarchical data structures. Without wanting to offend anyone, the arguments against this brought forward by Steve and Richard sound to me a bit cowardly - but of course they do have a point in trying to ensure backw

Re: [CF-metadata] Request for a new standard_name: barometric_altitude

2013-07-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan (and John who replied offline), "* Would it be acceptable and useful to follow some other kinds of standard name and call this air_pressure_expressed_as_altitude?" Actually, I think not. The goal of this quantity is really to describe altitude, not pressure. This is different from

[CF-metadata] Request for a new standard_name: barometric_altitude

2013-07-05 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, for the standardisation of metadata from aircraft measurements I would like to propose on behalf of the IGAS project team two new standard names for altitude: 1. "barometric_altitude" "Barometric altitude is the altitude determined by a pressure measurement which is conve

Re: [CF-metadata] use of _FillValue vs valid_range, and minimum and maximum

2013-05-23 Thread Schultz, Martin
> >... but computing min & max on the fly can also be very expensive. > >We have aggregated model output datasets where each variable is more > >than 1TB! > Sure, I can see that that's useful metadata about the dataset, and that > there's value in caching it somewhere. I just don't think it belo

[CF-metadata] 4. Re: New Standard Names for Satellite Data

2013-04-16 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Aleksandar, nice job! Putting your proposal on http://wiki.esipfed.org/index.php/Standard_Names_For_Satellite_Observations#Proposal_.232 like this makes it easily tractable. Sorry if I may be a little late, but upon reading through I have some minor concerns about: "relative_platfor

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601 (Seth McGinnis)

2013-03-22 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Seth, I believe your concerns nicely confirm Michael's and my viewpoint that the real issue is a "lack of functionality" in the underlying netcdf library. If done properly, the datetime representation in the file would of course be numerical (python and certainly most other languages w

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601

2013-03-21 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, as I am the "at least one other person" to whom Nan refered, let me clarify my position: 1) I would strongly argue against adding another way of formatting time through the backdoor via a standard_name. 2) I do see quite a bit of sense in re-modeling the date and time handling i

Re: [CF-metadata] New standard name: datetime_iso8601 [John Graybeal et al.]

2013-03-20 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, interesting discussion. From the point of view of an outsider (not dealing with ocean data ;-) there are two issues which still aren't entirely clear to me: 1) as Steve Hankin wrote, this variable has a potential to deflect from the actual physical quantity, which is expressed i

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard_names for emissions data

2013-02-07 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Alison, thank you for your email and sorry for the late reply. Yes - you are perfectly right: all of these names are suggested additions, and we would like to see them appear in the standard_name table. Best regards, Martin > -Original Message- > From: CF-metadata [

Re: [CF-metadata] Usage of the 'Conventions' attribute (Phil Bentley)

2013-01-31 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi Phil, while I agree with you that the only clean solution would have to be defined in the netcdf API itself (not in CF), I don't think that groups are what we are looking for here. This namespace thing is entirely related to attributes, while groups are a variable concept. What would he

Re: [CF-metadata] Usage of the 'Conventions' attribute (Nan Galbraith)

2013-01-24 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, I fully agree with Jonathan's view that it would not be a good idea to call this new thing "Convention". On the other hand, I don't really like the term "flag_convention_name" either, because it doesn't tell me anything. If I understand correctly, then your desire is different fro

Re: [CF-metadata] Proposal for new standard_names for biomass burning

2013-01-07 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan, Philip, good point! In practice, I think that "expressed_as" means something more general than "contained in" so that the "NOx_expressed_as_NO2" case is a perfectly valid one. Indeed, that would be the standard_name that would be used if "official" inventories were to adopt

[CF-metadata] Proposal for new standard_names for biomass burning emissions

2013-01-03 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, as per the general CF philosophy to add terms when needed, we propose the addition of the following standard_names for emissions from biomass burning. These follow the syntax of existing names and merely add three chemical species, namely nitrogen_dioxide, molecular_hydrogen, and

[CF-metadata] correction of an emissions-related standard_name

2013-01-03 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, while re-processing the ACCMIP emission data set, we found an error in one of the recent standard_name additions for emission mass fluxes: Due to a typo in the source categories in the original sector definition which we once submitted, there is now an error in the sector defini

Re: [CF-metadata] standard names for column amounts (atmospheric chemistry)

2012-12-20 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi Andreas, > -Original Message- > From: CF-metadata [mailto:cf-metadata-boun...@cgd.ucar.edu] On Behalf > Of Andreas Hilboll > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 2:53 AM > To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] standard names for column amounts > (atmospheric > chemistr

Re: [CF-metadata] CF calendars (was: problem with times in PSD dataset)

2012-12-19 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Chris, >> I think a solution shouldn't break current files which followed what had >> been a standard for a long time (however ill-advised the standard was).[...] while I fully support your pledge for backward compatibility, we should also avoid stagnation because of too many old hassles t

Re: [CF-metadata] new standard name proposal for total ozone in DU

2012-12-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, I would also like to support this proposal. And I thank Philip for his careful thinking. >> If these were the only aspects to consider then I would be against the new >> std_name. However, there >> are many more species than ozone, and ozone is the only one that I see >> expre

Re: [CF-metadata] Extensions to the Standard Name table

2012-10-22 Thread Schultz, Martin
Great! Looking forward to test this! Cheers, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Leadbetter, Adam [mailto:al...@bodc.ac.uk] Gesendet: Montag, 22. Oktober 2012 14:45 An: Lowry, Roy K.; Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Betreff: RE: [CF-metadata] Extensions to the Standard Name

Re: [CF-metadata] Extensions to the Standard Name table

2012-10-21 Thread Schultz, Martin
rows to the table even after funding will have ended), then this sounds like a good plan. Cheers, Martin Von: Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk] Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Oktober 2012 10:21 An: Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Cc: Leadbetter, Adam Betreff: RE: [CF-metadata] Extensions

Re: [CF-metadata] Extensions to the Standard Name table

2012-10-20 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Roy, thanks a lot for this nice example of true interoperability. Yet, two questions remain: 1) what I would be even more interested in is the inverse problem, i.e. given a standard_name, I would like to know which compound it contains. 2) I expect that this is more difficult, in part

Re: [CF-metadata] Another potentially useful extension to the standard_name table

2012-09-22 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi Roy, exactly!Just how can we get there? Cheers, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk] Gesendet: Samstag, 22. September 2012 18:24 An: Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Betreff: RE: [CF-metadata] Another potentially useful

Re: [CF-metadata] Another potentially useful extension to the standard_name table

2012-09-22 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Philip, John and others, I take the point that indeed a grammar approach would be the solution to my problem. However, the grammar as it once stood based on Jonathan's python program (which indeed works quite nicely) unfortunately doesn't help with respect to the problem that I inten

Re: [CF-metadata] Another potentially useful extension to the standard_name table: OFFLINE RESPONSE

2012-09-14 Thread Schultz, Martin
] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 13. September 2012 21:50 An: Schultz, Martin Betreff: Fwd: Re: [CF-metadata] Another potentially useful extension to the standard_name table: OFFLINE RESPONSE Hi Martin, I sent the following response to your email to the list this morning, but it has not yet appeared (being

[CF-metadata] Another potentially useful extension to the standard_name table

2012-09-13 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, during the recent discussion on "compound_name" as additional tag in the standard_names.xml file and in relation to track ticket #90 it occurred to me that another useful addition could be to express the "need" of certain variable attributes in this table as well. This refers to

Re: [CF-metadata] Expanding the standard_name metadata

2012-09-12 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi John, sounds we are converging here. So, perhaps I should re-consider the "compound_name" attribute and generalize it. We all agree that the URL is the definitive reference from where the term should be obtained. Now, there are two cases which we (i.e. eventually some interoperable appl

Re: [CF-metadata] Expanding the standard_name metadata (Jonathan Gregory)

2012-09-11 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan, thanks for your encouraging mail and the specific questions. Please find my reply below: * What if there is more than one compound involved in a standard name? This could be the case with the existing construction using expressed_as, and you can probably imagine better tha

Re: [CF-metadata] Expanding the standard_name metadata

2012-09-11 Thread Schultz, Martin
he reference to a controlled vocabulary list might still be useful and take a little responsibility away from CF). Cheers, Martin Von: John Graybeal [mailto:jgrayb...@ucsd.edu] Gesendet: Montag, 10. September 2012 18:28 An: Schultz, Martin Cc: Lowry, Roy K.; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Betreff:

Re: [CF-metadata] Expanding the standard_name metadata

2012-09-10 Thread Schultz, Martin
bibliographic reference lends some weight to the name. But perhaps I am still living too much in the web 1.0 world? Cheers, Martin Von: Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk] Gesendet: Montag, 10. September 2012 11:03 An: Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Betreff: RE: Expanding the standa

[CF-metadata] Expanding the standard_name metadata

2012-09-10 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, last week, we had a rather successful workshop on "Metadata for air quality and atmospheric composition" in Dublin. It was nice to see that the community (i.e. those present) seemed to agree without much discussion, that ISO 19115 (-1) is the way to go for discovery metadata, whi

[CF-metadata] GEO AQ CoP Workshop Dublin: Registration deadline approaching!

2012-08-28 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear CF mailing list, We would like to draw your attention to the approaching deadline for registration to the workshop on "Metadata for air quality and atmospheric composition" in Dublin, Sept 5-7, 2012. Registration will close on Friday, 31 Aug., end of business. If you intend to particip

Re: [CF-metadata] emission names?

2012-08-09 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Alison, many thanks for your efforts and the thorough review of the definitions. Below I copy and answer only to the points that need attention. 1. general remark concerning the suggested definition text: > suggested explanation for 'mass'. For example, the full definition > for the f

Re: [CF-metadata] Warming up old stuff - 4 (emissions)

2012-07-09 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Alison, fine on both accounts. I suggest to use the comment attribute as you suggested and give the appropriate hint in the definition text. I also second the addition of Philip concerning the specification of the units. This later topic may come up again -- if I recall correctly ther

[CF-metadata] GEO AQ CoP meeting "Metadata for Atmospheric Composition and Air Quality", Dublin, 5-7 Sept. 2012 -- Registration open

2012-07-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear colleague, with some delay, we are happy to announce that you can now register for the GEO Air Quality Community of Practice meeting on “Metadata for Atmospheric Composition and Air Quality” in Dublin (Morrison hotel), 5-7 September 2012. The registration web page is at http://cop.

Re: [CF-metadata] Warming up old stuff - 4 (emissions)

2012-07-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
the next table. Best regards, Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk [mailto:alison.pamm...@stfc.ac.uk] Gesendet: Freitag, 6. Juli 2012 12:01 An: Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu Betreff: Re: [CF-metadata] Warming up old stuff - 4 (emissions) Dear Martin,

[CF-metadata] Workshop on Air Quality and Atmospheric Composition Metadata, Dublin, 5-7 Sept. 2012

2012-05-10 Thread Schultz, Martin
First Announcement Dear colleague, The GEO AQ CoP is a self-organized voluntary group that fosters the application of Earth observations to air quality management and science. Its participants and its main beneficiaries are members of national and international science teams, data portal

Re: [CF-metadata] Juelich checker

2012-04-20 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, we appreciate the recognition of our Juelich CF checker and I can confirm that we will maintain this tool during the coming years. There are certainly pros and cons for merging the code bases: PRO: less work for each team, higher chances to catch errors, (if definition process is

[CF-metadata] new track ticket to propose extension of cell_methods

2012-03-08 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, as there is yet no mechanism to alert everyone on new track tickets, this is just to inform you that I have added a new ticket (#82) to propose enhancing the cell_methods attribute so that it can cope with more complex averaging procedures (see thread on "8-hour maximum" concentra

Re: [CF-metadata] repost warming up old stuff - part 4: emissions (hit send too early)

2012-03-07 Thread Schultz, Martin
[mailto:heiko.kl...@met.no] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:52 AM > To: Schultz, Martin > Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] repost warming up old stuff - part 4: emissions > (hit send too early) > > Hi Martin, > > I guess you are referring to you

Re: [CF-metadata] warming up old stuff - part 1: aerosol mie scattering

2012-03-07 Thread Schultz, Martin
om: Markus Fiebig [mailto:markus.fie...@nilu.no] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:24 PM > To: Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Cc: Shankar, Uma (ushan...@unc.edu) > Subject: RE: warming up old stuff - part 1: aerosol mie scattering > > Dear Martin, > > thanks

Re: [CF-metadata] warming up old stuff - part 1: aerosol mie scattering

2012-03-07 Thread Schultz, Martin
l". The new name would then become "volume_extinction_coefficient_in_air_due_to_Mie_scattering_of_ambient_aerosol" ? (and would "Mie" be spelled with "M" or "m"?)" > -Original Message- > From: Markus Fiebig [mailto:markus.fie...@nilu.no] > Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [CF-metadata] Warming up old stuff - 4 (emissions)

2012-03-07 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Alison (cc Hugo, Steve, Greg), > Looking back to the original proposal, > http://mailman.cgd.ucar.edu/pipermail/cf-metadata/2011/027071.html, you > have provided definitions of the emissions sectors in terms of 2006 IPCC > source categories. I have found the following document: http://www.ipc

[CF-metadata] repost warming up old stuff - part 4: emissions (hit send too early)

2012-03-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, this is my final attempt to propose these new emission standard names. The proposal dates back to June 8th, 2011 and has never been implemented. Here, I provide the list of specific standard_name attributes we would like to see in the list. The old emails detail the concept and ex

[CF-metadata] warming up old stuff - part 3: mole_fractions and mass concentrations of additional chemical compounds

2012-03-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, on Oct. 3 the following proposals were made and - if you take Philip's endorsement as that - accepted. Yet, these names never made it anywhere on the list: * "mole_fraction_of_hydrogen_sulfite_in_air", units "1" (meaning "mole mole-1") Definition: Mole fraction is used in t

[CF-metadata] warming up old stuff - part 2: pm mass concentrations

2012-03-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, on Oct. 3, 2011, the following standard_names were proposed. Despite absence of any critical comments they appear neither on the standard_name list nor in the current proposals list: * " mass_concentration_of_pm2p5_ambient_aerosol_in_air", units "kg m-3" Definition: Mass co

[CF-metadata] warming up old stuff - part 1: aerosol mie scattering

2012-03-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, on Oct 4, 2011, I had made a proposal to add "volume_extinction_coefficient_in_air_due_to_mie_scattering_of_ambient_aerosol". This had been discussed and after clarification of a lower-case "mie" I was under the impression that this has been accepted. However, it is not on the l

[CF-metadata] warming up old stuff - part 4: emissions of trace species

2012-03-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, this is my final attempt to propose these new emission standard names. The proposal dates back to June 8th, 2011 and has never been implemented. Here, I only provide the list of specific standard_name attributes we would like to see in the list. The old emails detail the concept a

Re: [CF-metadata] mailing list and trac tickets

2012-01-31 Thread Schultz, Martin
> John Graybeal wrote: > +1. A notification of each new trac ticket would be ideal in my book, then I > can subscribe. I'd rather explicitly subscribe to the trac discussions I care > about. > > While I appreciate that there is a lot of traffic inherent in the discussions > of > each variable,

Re: [CF-metadata] mailing list and trac tickets

2012-01-26 Thread Schultz, Martin
> Jonathan, > > What do you mean by "deliver trac tickets to everyone"? > > There is some old documentation on how the CF trac system handles e-mail > notification: > > http://cf-pcmdi.llnl.gov/discussion/about-the-cf-trac-ticket-system > > In particular: "The mailing lists are arranged in such a

Re: [CF-metadata] 2. Re: [cf-satellite] Sharing quality flags among multiple variables (Jonathan Gregory)

2011-11-21 Thread Schultz, Martin
sort of cross-referencing. Cheers, Martin > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Gregory [mailto:j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk] > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 4:43 PM > To: Schultz, Martin > Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] 2. Re: [cf-satell

[CF-metadata] 2. Re: [cf-satellite] Sharing quality flags among multiple variables (Jonathan Gregory)

2011-11-15 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan et al., what is the difference between a mean value and an observation count? You may add the 25th percentile to this list as well. As far as I can tell, the cell_methods attribute should be best suited for all of these and I don't see a need to work with standard_name modi

Re: [CF-metadata] daily maximum of running 8-hour means

2011-10-28 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan, I'd appreciate this. Thanks, Martin > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Gregory [mailto:j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk] > Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:07 PM > To: Schultz, Martin > Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] d

Re: [CF-metadata] daily maximum of running 8-hour means

2011-10-27 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan, Philip, I tend to lean towards the second alternative. Partly, because I believe it is easier to understand, and partly, because I think that in most cases the extra information which cell_bounds entered the "daily max. 8-hour running mean" is not preserved (at least I never

Re: [CF-metadata] daily maximum of running 8-hour means

2011-10-20 Thread Schultz, Martin
sues? Cheers, Martin > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Gregory [mailto:j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk] > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 11:40 AM > To: Schultz, Martin > Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: Re: daily maximum of running 8-hour means > > De

Re: [CF-metadata] daily maximum of running 8-hour means

2011-10-20 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan, oh! The wonderful world of semantics. I guess we could argue for a while if the "interval" is supposed to be 1-hour or 8-hours in the case of a running mean. But I would be prepared to settle for 1-hour as "original resolution", so let me answer your question directly: YES -

Re: [CF-metadata] daily maximum of running 8-hour means

2011-10-19 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan, thanks for your comments. The time axis and bounds are correctly described (indeed this reminded me that it does make sense to include time_bounds in this case which we often don't do). Automatic processing would indeed be useful here. Further: since it is the maximum of an 8

Re: [CF-metadata] Standard_name table entries for air quality data

2011-10-04 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Philip, Jonathan, 1.) thanks for your helpful comments. After a little side discussion with Philip, it appears that there is indeed a need for "expressed_as" phrases even for molar quantities. Hence, my suggestion reduces to * add "mole_fraction_of_nox_in_air" as an alias to "mole_fra

[CF-metadata] Standard_name table entries for air quality data

2011-10-03 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, I am currently reviewing a set of variables from two major data hubs with air quality data, and the objective is to enable those systems to serve netcdf-CF data. Looking through their variables and descriptions, I came across a couple of things and I would like to initiate the d

Re: [CF-metadata] standard names for stations (Jonathan Gregory)

2011-09-06 Thread Schultz, Martin
> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:33:26 +0100 > From: Jonathan Gregory > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] standard names for stations > Dear Nan > > > Do we need to specify whether the _id is numeric or character? I'd > > prefer to leave that to the user and his code. > > Yes, I think we have to specify this

Re: [CF-metadata] More background on the burned area (Jonathan Gregory)

2011-07-26 Thread Schultz, Martin
Jonathan, Kevin, I don't think that it is necessary to further qualify "burned_area". If you do an internet search for this term you always come up with hits related to "wildfire" which would suggest that there is little ambiguity in this term. I propose to add the vegetation fire relations

Re: [CF-metadata] standard_names for emissions - part 2: species

2011-06-10 Thread Schultz, Martin
our original proposal as is. Cheers, Martin > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Gregory [mailto:j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 7:33 PM > To: Schultz, Martin > Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] standard_names for em

[CF-metadata] standard_names for emissions - part 2: species

2011-06-08 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi again, here is the association of chemical compounds with the various emission sectors proposed in our last email. New species which have no standard_name assigned yet are marked with a *. 1) sector: energy_production_and_distribution X = carbon_monoxide, methane, ammonia, nitrogen_mono

[CF-metadata] standard_names for emission sectors

2011-06-08 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, we would like to follow-up on a discussion we had about a year ago (see posts by a.h...@fz-juelich.de from 23 March 2010 and reply by Philip and others as well as related discussion on CO2 emissions). Main point is the introduction of some sort of speciation for various emissio

Re: [CF-metadata] generalizing forecast_reference_time and forecast_period

2011-05-18 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, once again I haven't followed the entire discussion carefully, but I sense there is more to the problem than what has been discussed so far: 1) if we define the meaning of "time" as a specific datetime instance on a given calendar, then all time values along a trajectory should in

Re: [CF-metadata] physical vs dimensional units

2011-04-14 Thread Schultz, Martin
> Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 14:52:26 -0600 > From: Steve Emmerson > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] physical vs dimensional units > To: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Message-ID: <4da60d0a.1010...@unidata.ucar.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On 04/13/2011 02:25 PM, John C

Re: [CF-metadata] physical vs dimensional units

2011-04-04 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, > Jonathan wrote: > I don't really agree with this. Units are units, not > descriptins of quantities. > grams of CO2 per grams of air is a mass mixing ratio and is > dimensionless. > [...] > Steve wrote: > The National Institute of Science and Technology (NIST) > agrees that information

Re: [CF-metadata] udunits time units question

2011-03-31 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi Chris et al., indeed it seems like some clarification is necessary about the use of different calendars in modelling. Your suggestion to "map" the 360 day calendar onto the Gregorian calendar in output files won't work: there would be no need for a 360 day calendar if it would. The idea

Re: [CF-metadata] udunits handling of fuzzy time units

2011-03-18 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, in our work, we have often been confronted with the current limitations where the only times allowed by CF are "real" times using the "days since date" syntax and assuming the Gregorian calendar. We often have "climatological" fields as model input data, where monthly variation is

[CF-metadata] CF grammar and online tool

2011-03-09 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Robert, this is great! I would definitively support any proposal to try and follow this route in the future. However, it will require some further discussion how to handle semantically incorrect names. As I understand it, the grammar can ensure that we arrive at syntactically correct n

Re: [CF-metadata] standard_name modifiers

2011-02-28 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan et al., maybe I am fighting a lost battle here, but let me try to argue once more for a generalized solution, i.e. the addition of "anomaly" as a standard name modifier. I don't like the idea of adding a new standard name for each new anomaly: i) this seems illogical and new u

Re: [CF-metadata] standard_name modifiers

2011-02-25 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear Jonathan, I don't quite agree with the implication you derive from : "In general, CF metadata describes what a quantity *is* and not how it was calculated from other quantities." -- a temperature difference is a temperature, but you don't want to confuse it with a temperature (pun int

Re: [CF-metadata] standard_name modifiers

2011-02-25 Thread Schultz, Martin
e cases but not always. Cheers, Martin > -Original Message- > From: Jonathan Gregory [mailto:j.m.greg...@reading.ac.uk] > Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 7:08 PM > To: Schultz, Martin > Cc: cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: Re: [CF-metadata] standard_name modifiers

[CF-metadata] standard_name modifiers

2011-02-24 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, perhaps I am not aware of the previous discussions on this issue, but reading through the comments about the "count" modifier, I am wondering whether the concept of standard_name modifiers is a good solution. Once again, I am presently biased towards observational data (ozone time

Re: [CF-metadata] CF Standards (CF checker)

2011-02-24 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all (and Christina in particular), if you'd like to get a second oppinion, please try the Juelich CF checker. You can either access it "graphically" through http://ogc-interface.icg.kfa-juelich.de:50080/upload (Browse for a file, click "Upload" and then click on the "log" button in the

[CF-metadata] CF:featureType and Naming Conventions

2011-02-22 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, here is my daily fanpost (don't worry I will be quiet again at some point;-): in the discussion document on "discrete sampling geometries" a recommendation is made to introduce a CF:featureType attribute (with values of point, timeSeries, trajectory, etc.). While this is very

[CF-metadata] CF and ISO19115

2011-02-21 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, after searching the mailing list archive without success, I would like to bring up the topic of the ISO19115 metadata standard for geographical information and how to best map this into CF. Obviously, the ISO standard builds on XML and its hierarchical structures, while (global) a

[CF-metadata] ... wind speed

2011-02-18 Thread Schultz, Martin
Hi again, more on the CASTNET data. They provide 15,WINDSPEED,m/sec,"Vector wind speed; m/sec.",NUMBER,"16,4", and 23,WINDSPEED_SCALAR,m/sec,"Scalar wind speed; m/sec.",NUMBER,"16,4", The first appears to be a vector average = sqrt( mean(u)**2 + mean(v)**2 ) the second is = mean( sqrt(u*

Re: [CF-metadata] CF standard_name irradiation ?

2011-02-18 Thread Schultz, Martin
flux_in_air" or "surface_downwelling_shortwave_flux_in_air" both seem to be good options. Thanks, Martin > -Original Message- > From: Nan Galbraith [mailto:ngalbra...@whoi.edu] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:40 PM > To: Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: R

Re: [CF-metadata] CF standard_name irradiation ?

2011-02-18 Thread Schultz, Martin
in > -Original Message- > From: Lowry, Roy K. [mailto:r...@bodc.ac.uk] > Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 2:38 PM > To: Schultz, Martin; cf-metadata@cgd.ucar.edu > Subject: RE: CF standard_name irradiation ? > > Hi Martin, > > There are two Standard Names > 'downwel

[CF-metadata] CF standard_name irradiation ?

2011-02-18 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear colleagues, I am trying to clean up some data files and make them CF compliant. But I am confused about the standard name that I could use for (measured) irradiation. There is an entry "downwelling_spectral_radiative_flux_in_air Downwelling radiation is radiation from above. It does no

[CF-metadata] CF compliance of TFHTAP model data

2010-11-25 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear colleagues, we just posted a summary of "CF problems" which were encountered in the TFHTAP multi-model initiative and their fixes on the HTAP Wiki: http://htap.icg.fz-juelich.de/data/CFAdaption (or go to http://htap.icg.fz-juelich.de/ then navigate to "HTAP Model and Experiment Descri

Re: [CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-15 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, first of all let me say that I truely appreciate the careful discussion my proposal has initiated. This indeed is probably the most convincing reason why CF has been accepted already in several parts of the community. Steve made a very nice distinction to clarify what my suggestio

[CF-metadata] non-standard standard_names

2010-05-12 Thread Schultz, Martin
Dear all, we are currently cleaning all files on our TFHTAP multi-model experiment server to make them fully CF(1.0) conformant. It has been about 3 years since we had drafted the original format description of these experiments and also initiated the standard name discussion for chemical cons

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