Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Hi! 6-Янв-2008 11:50 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Hall) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: JH> I must admit that I'm confused about who is the maintainer of JH> Cutemouse these days, and what is the latest official version. Can JH> someone clear this up for me? Maintainer (was) Daniel

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

I must admit that I'm confused about who is the maintainer of Cutemouse these days, and what is the latest official version. Can someone clear this up for me? Is Cutemouse 2.1 the latest official version? Or is 2.1 Eric's own fork of the project? The Cutemouse web site

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Arkady V.Belousov escreveu: >>> Not all. :) But code of handlers was hardly changed in those times, >>> and there was also target to minimize resident part size as much, as >>> possible, whereas "autoswitch" may have own side effects. For example, with >>> autoswicth we not know (can't know)

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Hi! 5-Янв-2008 04:32 Arkady V.Belousov wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: AVB> Ops. Reviewing MSLTproc I see, that "3 buttons support through MS AVB> protocol" isn't removed, it remained there (see MSLTCODE2 label) and AVB> should work... ...if you use /3 option. Effect shou

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Hi! 5-Янв-2008 01:43 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> >> /3 - force 3-button mode (for Microsoft and PS/2 mice only) >> >> force wheel support (for PS/2 mice) >> >> BTW, /3 option was used to force middle button support through L+

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Hi! > >> /3 - force 3-button mode (for Microsoft and PS/2 mice only) > >> force wheel support (for PS/2 mice) > >> BTW, /3 option was used to force middle button support through L+R > It has effect - without it, PS2 handler will not return info about 3rd Well but then /3 onl

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Hi! 5-Янв-2008 00:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> /3 - force 3-button mode (for Microsoft and PS/2 mice only) >> force wheel support (for PS/2 mice) >> BTW, /3 option was used to force middle button support through L+R >> exte

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Hi Arkady, > /3 - force 3-button mode (for Microsoft and PS/2 mice only) > force wheel support (for PS/2 mice) > BTW, /3 option was used to force middle button support through L+R > extension. Now there remains only option. If /3 has no effect now, it should be removed from

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Hi! > "Want"? Capturing first port is usually safe and not hurt, there only > one drawback - extra stub in memory. COM port mice are the exception now, so allowing MSys mode means that a mouse driver is loaded at a place where no mouse exists (and no mouse will be connected to the COM port later

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Hi! 4-Янв-2008 15:10 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: EA> you are right, disabling the wheel only helps compatibility EA> in the PS2 case. But as said, I assumed that wheel usage in EA> DOS is rare, so /O (OPT_noWheel) affects both PS2 and COM EA> at the

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Hi! 4-Янв-2008 14:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alain M.) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> AM> The proble is two fold: first it causes compatibility >> AM> problems, sencond there is *very* few programs around that would use it >> AM> anyway and it would be logical that *these* programs h

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Hi! 4-Янв-2008 17:58 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: L>> If you by default disable the wheel (and I think it is not good L>> idea) Unfortunately, for PS2 this IS good idea. :( L>> you definitely must write some mouse tool which can detect L>> mo

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Hi! 4-Янв-2008 15:24 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> No. I just express my own preference, but this not mean, that changing >> program behavior will not have negative impact on other users. So, my >> vote nearer to against. EA> I still think /y is a

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Hi Alain (including a reply for Ladislav), L> If you by default disable the wheel (and I think it is not good L> idea) you definitely must write some mouse tool which can detect L> mouse. It is necessary for FreeDOS installers. Installer calls L> this tool and found whether mouse has or hasn't th

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Eric Auer escreveu: >> Alain, talking about disabling/enabling through command line >> completely, API doesn't have (yet?) functions to enable wheel support. ONLY for PS2 > Indeed. If you had a function to enable wheel support, it would > have to re-detect the mouse to see if there is actua

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Arkady V.Belousov escreveu: >>> In that case, you probably want "disable wheel" to be the >>> default, too, as disabling the wheel improves compatibility >>> quite a bit. > AM> I 100% agree. AB> I think, this is important only for PS2, where wheel support is dumb AB> and unreliable. In seri

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If you by default disable the wheel (and I think it is not good idea) you definitely must write some mouse tool which can detect mouse. It is necessary for FreeDOS installers. Installer calls this tool and found whether mouse has or hasn't the wheel and than can adjust the AUTOEXEC.BAT file.

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> Yes, but 3 apps that are important: 4DOS, Arachne (but it needs its own > ctmouse??) and Mpxplay. Arachne works with normal 2.xx Ctmouse. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Vi

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Hi again, > >> EA> has an option /Y ignore Mouse Systems, and most people > >> I myself always use /y - I not like and not use mouse systems > >> mice, whereas I prefer not remain in my RAM useless code stubs. > EA> So you agree to make /y the default :-) > No. I just express my own preference,

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Hi Arkady, you are right, disabling the wheel only helps compatibility in the PS2 case. But as said, I assumed that wheel usage in DOS is rare, so /O (OPT_noWheel) affects both PS2 and COM at the moment even though COM wheels seem to be no real risk for compatibility... Would be easy to change :-

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Hi Flox, > > In short, the wheel stuff is > > less foolproof than the protocol without wheel, and as 95% of > > the DOS apps do not use the wheel anyway, > Yes, but 3 apps that are important: 4DOS, Arachne (but it needs > its own ctmouse??) and Mpxplay. Then users of those apps will have to li

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Hi! 4-Янв-2008 00:53 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> I not seen your edition yet, so I not have any ideas. :) EA> It is on www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/ctmouse21b3.zip I look at it later, now I busy with editing book about Narekatsi (Arm

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Hi! 3-Янв-2008 13:21 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alain M.) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> In that case, you probably want "disable wheel" to be the >> default, too, as disabling the wheel improves compatibility >> quite a bit. AM> I 100% agree. I think, this is important only for P

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Hi! 3-Янв-2008 12:26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (lyricalnanoha) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: >> "is empty or attached mouse in Mouse Systems mode". :) And Genius >> mice are long ago based on Logitech protocol. l> ... >> Forget "Genius". All (newer) Genius mice, which I seen, wa

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> In short, the wheel stuff is > less foolproof than the protocol without wheel, and as 95% of > the DOS apps do not use the wheel anyway, Yes, but 3 apps that are important: 4DOS, Arachne (but it needs its own ctmouse??) and Mpxplay. Bye Flo -

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Hi Arkady, > I not seen your edition yet, so I not have any ideas. :) It is on www.coli.uni-saarland.de/~eric/ctmouse21b3.zip Your points about the macros are okay :-) > "is empty or attached mouse in Mouse Systems mode". :) And Genius > mice are long ago based on Logitech protocol. Whic

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Eric Auer escreveu: >> IMHO the default should be off, but the code should remain >> there. > For Genius? Agreed. Probably would be harder to remove it ;-) Yes. >> it would be logical that *these* programs have instructions >> to activate [the wheel]. > > You mean have docs to instruct the user

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On Thu, 3 Jan 2008, Arkady V.Belousov wrote: > "is empty or attached mouse in Mouse Systems mode". :) And Genius > mice are long ago based on Logitech protocol. ... > Forget "Genius". All (newer) Genius mice, which I seen, was working > in LT protocol. I used to have a Genius serial m

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Hi! 3-Янв-2008 01:23 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: EA> have questions about problems with it... Yet I wonder why EA> ctmouse 2.1b3 /O /P works worse than 1.9 for that problematic EA> PC (2.1 with wheel does not see mouse, 2.0 hangs, 2.1 /O is EA> supp

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Hi Alain, > IMHO the default should be off, but the code should remain > there. For Genius? Agreed. Probably would be harder to remove it ;-) > it would be logical that *these* programs have instructions > to activate [the wheel]. You mean have docs to instruct the user how to activate it when

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Eric Auer escreveu: > Rule 1: Users never read the manual. So they just type ctmouse, > see that it somehow fails to see their ps2 mouse, then grabs their > empty com port (because you never know if it is empty or Genius) > and then file a bug report instead of reading the manual ;-). This > is wh

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Arkady V.Belousov escreveu: > > EA> I must admit that the CuteMouse source code is ugly but on the > > Let me object this assertion. :) Hi Arkady, wellcome back... I look forward to many new discussions :) Alain PS: this is a joke ... --

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First thing that come to mind: if you write free software, write it using free compiler. Alain Андрей Влащенко escreveu: > Hello everybody! CuteMouse project is dead; I can develop new mouse driver > for the FreeDOS project. This driver, named "FreeMouse", I started today. > Please reply to me

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Hi Arkady, thanks for the feedback :-) > EA> Current CuteMouse 2.1 development is done by me :-) . > > And how progress so far? (I was missing half of year, so I miss > latest news). Unfortunately, you did not miss much. But at least CuteMouse is still maintained, and people still get support w

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Hi! 31-Дек-2007 15:13 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Auer) wrote to Андрей Влащенко <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: EA> Current CuteMouse 2.1 development is done by me :-) . And how progress so far? (I was missing half of year, so I miss latest news). >> PS/2/COM/MSMous

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Great! CuteMouse is good driver but is very slow in protected mode. F.e when playing Doom and you control it with mouse, it is jerky. (with another drivers is it OK). So test it also from this point of view. Why did you choose the 3.0 version of TP? Because it compiles into COM? Why not, but the di

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Hi there :-) > Hello everybody! CuteMouse project is dead; I can develop new mouse > driver for the FreeDOS project. This driver, named "FreeMouse", I > started today. Please reply to me, I want that you help me writing Well maybe you did not wait long enough for a reply from Nagy Daniel: Curren

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Hi! 31-Дек-2007 14:44 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Андрей Влащенко) wrote to freedos-devel@lists.sourceforge.net: АВ> Hello everybody! CuteMouse project is dead; Well, it long ago wasn't updated, but authors are here. АВ> I can develop new mouse driver АВ> for the FreeDOS project. New?!! Well,

Re: [Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Андрей Влащенко wrote: > Hello everybody! CuteMouse project is dead; > I can develop new mouse driver for the FreeDOS project. > This driver, named "FreeMouse", I started today. > Please reply to me, I want that you help me writing correct > autodetection of used mouse type, and handle the PS/2

[Freedos-devel] New Mouse Driver Development...

Hello everybody! CuteMouse project is dead; I can develop new mouse driver for the FreeDOS project. This driver, named "FreeMouse", I started today. Please reply to me, I want that you help me writing correct autodetection of used mouse type, and handle the PS/2/COM/MSMouse's. I do not understan