I use the excel sheet from Meyer Fire for main drain test, it tells me 698
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We use a wall/roof thimble for all of our fire pump exhausts, I believe a 2
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0C is actually 32F and NFPA states that temperature must be
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Providing a separate control valve allows the piping to be shutdown quickly
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If the racking sprinklers are designed independent of the ceiling system
than it doesn't matter but if the racking sprinklers are designed as
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The last part of the sentence "unless required as part of a fire
separation" NFPA 30 requires it as part of the fire separation for the
horizontal barrier. "NFPA #30 2024 Section 16.6.2 Horizontal barriers of
plywood"
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Just because the max spacing is 16-6 doesn't mean it has to be that far
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apart so that you don't go over the sqft requirement.
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Pressfit actually utilized Sch 5 galvanized pipe, there has been Sch 7
listed sprinkler pipe available for roughly 30 years, it was available when
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Also in section 9.2.3.7 Sprigs. Sprigs 4 ft (1.2 m) or longer shall be
restrained against lateral movement.
At one time it was only required in seismic areas but since 2013 it is
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9.3.6.6 Sprigs 4 ft (1.2 m) or longer shall be restrained against lateral
movement.
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I don't believe it states whether the spacing is along branches or between
Max spacing is 12'-0 but max coverage is still only 100sqft
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ition of a mezzanine.
So NOT an obstruction, it's a FLOOR ASSEMBLY, so you would protect the
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I think that would depend on the municipality, most do not want the
sprinkler water going directly into the storm drains, drained to exterior
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That is exactly how I see it as well
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y issue?
Trying to determine which is actually the "right" way to design the system
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largest area but in my opinion the largest floor space doesn't
necessarily present as the most demanding.
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level and not interfere with movement. Just a thought.
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0% of rated flow
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If you look at FIGURE A.4.15.6 Right and Wrong Pump Suctions, one of the
diagrams does show something similar to what you are proposing.
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Ok, but this would basically fall under the room design method in 13 then
and not require a phantom flow, unless I'm missing something, I have never
added a phantom flow to a paint booth.
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emand shall include the discharge from the hydraulically
most remote adjacent sprinklers in a common 30.5 m (100 linear ft) area of
duct (horizontal and/or vertical).
(4) Sprinklers shall provide a minimum flow of 114 L/min (30 gpm) per
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There is a section in there that shows have a 2'-0 deep draft curtain with
a 4'-0 Aisle below it
Can't remember exactly where it mentions ESFR's but I know I've read it
that this rule can be used to separate ESFR's from other design
though this is becoming less and less of a
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their data flow.
If money is not the concern than I usually try to steer someone towards the
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does have criteria for 20'-0 of storage but I don't see any information
specifically for pulp fiber.
Have you tried getting a meeting with their insurance company, they may
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pecifically mentions free standing
>>> partitions, privacy curtains and "similar obstructions". I don't think
>>> duct-work is a similar obstruction. I would like to have my ducks in a row
>>> if this design approach should be questioned but also want to make su
I think you also need to look at the 18" requirement for the sprinkler
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possibly but OHII covers 10'-0 of class IV commodity, personally I don't
see how the fire trucks or equipment in the apparatus bay would take you
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falls within the building code allowances for an unprotected building and
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If it's one second floor zone than it's a problem, if it's a standpipe
riser with 2 separate zone controls for each section of the 2nd floor then
it's fine
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If the space above is an unprotected combustible space then it's 8, if the
space is protected (sprinklered or fire rated or full of
insulation) then it's 4
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and becomes plugged, then it fails in a fire when you needed the
most.
https://www.ecscorrosion.com/resources/
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That's a good idea actually, then you can throw back at the mechanical
engineer and say it was designed as per the tender drawings, if they
require a safety margin on the contract that would be in excess of the
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ender documents.
Mechanical engineers never like being told they are wrong, have to be
creative and give the mechanical engineer an out, so it's not their fault,
better chance of getting that change order.
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smaller as long as it's capable of providing the
required flow at a positive pressure.
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The odd one goes into my spam box for some reason
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If you go with FM and the Tyco 33.6 then max height is 55'-0, idle wood
pallet storage over 35' in a building over 40'-0 (FM) protection criteria
it to protect as per group A plastics
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Had this discussion in a seminar about ESFR sprinklers, They
specifically direct a large amount of the water straight down for rack
penetration, that is why there is not allowed to be any obstructions
directly below the sprinklers, the cable tray needs to move.
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IMO this is the architect's decision and the booth has to have suppression
in it.
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o someone else to determine If
and where we are putting a sprinkler system in place.
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detail about this that
specifically talks about coolers and freezers having no exclusions from
protection, or the annex - A8.1.1
I believe the fire code refers to NFPA 13 for all sprinkler related codes.
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meter but if you know
of the obstructions beforehand and include them in the initial calculations
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Typically non storage sprinkler supplied with 1"
Storage type sprinkler supplied with same size as branch line (typical for
ESFR sprinklers)
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NFPA 13 12.3 - elevation change of at least 2'-0 and above an aisle with a
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8.17.5.1 basically for clean up
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8.15.20.5.3 a nipple not exceeding 4" in length of the same size as the
outlet shall be permitted provided that hydraulic calculations can verify
flow rate.
unless you are in a seismic area than nipples smaller than 1" in
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There are dry chemical systems specifically listed and designed for paint
booth applications, we do them all the time, the cost is double the cost
for sprinklers, unless you don't have or can't get the current system to
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Also Tyco has some 11.2k dry heads, I have used these on a couple of paint
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NFPA 13 has limited information on the requirements for paint booths, need
to look through NFPA 33 to find all the requirements for sprinklers in
paint booths
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Viking Supply has 8.0k dry sidewalls
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We've used a carriage bolt and fender washers
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ther areas
of the table look to be correct.
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needs to determine an amount of water required to create the fire
separation. The water curtain requires 3gpm per lineal foot but as a fire
separation this may need to be increased.
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sprinkler pipe rarely even sees any water flow!
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