Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

I found that Nelson report reporting KCO3 usage by DGT http://ecatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Summary-of-Visit-to-Defkalion.pdf Key point claimed by DGT, like did ENEA at ICCF15 is that NAE are linked to crystallography structure. ENEA talk of 100 vs 101 (seems to be cutting plan family,

RE: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

Thx for the heads-up Lou. Overall I think it was a fair, objective article, however, I have one nit to pick... MarkG, R U listening??? The same old argument (not by MGibbs, he's just the messenger) that uses the example of hot fusion theory to justify the 'impossibility' of LENR, is on thin ice.

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

> From: "David Roberson" > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:55:01 PM I commented (with my usual self-promotional lenr.qumbu.com stuff). There were no comments when I started, and ONE when I posted it (mine hasn't shown up -- as a new user it may be moderated) -- BUT --- a FIRST -- MARY YUGO

Re: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

Poor Mark, He is caught between a cat and a mouse. Maybe we need one of those snakes to take the mouse out of the equation. :-) Dave -Original Message- From: pagnucco To: vortex-l Sent: Thu, May 30, 2013 12:23 am Subject: [Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Rossi's A

RE: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

The small bit of powder that came out when the reactor was cut open was likely the hydride that, when heated, pressurized the reactor with H2 gas… From: Eric Walker [mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:17 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: The engineers at Elforsk disagree with Cude. They do not think this was a > farce. They know much more about measuring energy and electricity than he > does, so I suppose they are correct and he is wrong. > This is, unfortunately, proof of th

Re: [Vo]:Of NAEs and nothingness...

Ed, the chemistry is way beyond me so I can't judge if the configuration is plausible. I bow to your expertise in this area. What really interests me is the resonance model you proposed to explain the missing gamma. If the protons are progressively forced together in steps, the work required with

[Vo]:Forbes: Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! ....

Rossi's A Fraud! No, He's Not! Yes, He Is! No, He Isn't! - Mark Gibbs http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2013/05/30/rossis-a-fraud-no-hes-not-yes-he-is-no-he-isnt/

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 8:42 AM, Edmund Storms wrote: Rossi has done something to the Ni powder that is very stable and not > affected by high temperature. This fact alone greatly reduces the > possibilities to anyone familiar with the materials science of this > material. Rossi is gradually lett

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Bob Higgins wrote: > >- We are told that the central reactor core is a 310 stainless steel >cylinder ( 3cm by 33cm). There is no port for introduction of H2. The >ends are cold welded closed. > > The ends were cone-shaped AISI 316 steel caps that were

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

Dear Bill, Please bring Abd back! He knows a lot LENR and his unique error was answering to a nasty troll. Peter On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 1:14 AM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > I agree with DaveR… > > ** ** > > Andrew and Duncan had only been actively contributing (and yes, mostly > useful) for a

Re: [Vo]:GE hits milestone with laser enrichment of uranium

I read an article about this possibility a number of years ago. I have been wondering when it would rear its head again and hoping that it might not happen. It just seemed like such an obvious method of isotope separation as long as an accurately tuned laser were available to ionize the desire

[Vo]:GE hits milestone with laser enrichment of uranium

Well... it looks like isotopic separation just got a lot cheaper... Implications for the hypothetical world in which the E-Cat requires it, of course, but then, also for the not-so-hypothetical world in which the idiocy of urbanization has been imposed on vast populations soon to be vulnerable to

Re: [Vo]:Ekstrom critique of Levi et al.

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:51 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: Regardless of how it's done, or whether Rossi used the same method, the > demonstration is very nice illustration that meters can be fooled quite > easily when there is a little infrastructure to hide things, and that when > an extraordinary cla

[Vo]:Re: AI phone call

I think I just got one of those customer satisfaction phone calls from what seemed like an artificial intelligence personage, although it was very realistic. Next time I'll ask a question during the interview, something like "What is 2 + 5?" ( or maybe "what is the meaning of life" :-) and see

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat CB band

Whoops! Hit the send button instead of spell check. ... obfuscate things, hide IP. Might take a chance at spilling some CB band junk just to mislead casual observation. Jeez, this sounds like we're beating the fraud horse. No, no, it's back to "how does he stimulate/control ECat". Ol' Bab

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat CB radio RF generation

If plenty of power is available, and stringent RF interference specs don't need to be met, the simple wires will work fine. But I must admit an engineer would always use a coax for such a task. But maybe not an engineer who is trying to obsfucate On 5/29/2013 4:47 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote: To

[Vo]:Jurassic Park, revisited...

". the carcass was so well preserved that it still had blood and muscle tissue." http://phys.org/news/2013-05-russian-scientists-rare-blood-mammoth.html#nwlt An expedition led by Russian scientists earlier this month uncovered the well-preserved carcass of a female mammoth on a remote islan

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

As mentioned in a previous thread, it may be possible for the stainless cell to get hotter than the Ni, particularly if the inner coating is thin. If the heat is conveyed from the NAE via photons, the photons could be absorbed in the 3mm thick stainless cell rather than in the thin Ni coating. If

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about HotCat

-Original Message- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint >> "We know that Ni powder sinters at the temperature being produced" > What about adding some small amount of some other element to raise the sintering/melting temp; commonly done in alloying. Look no further than the hydride, but beware."Nickel

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Really? I did consult the literature a few weeks ago. My memory is playing tricks on me. harry On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > Harry, I suggest you consult the literature. Addition of Cu LOWERS the mp > of Ni. > > Ni and Cu form a continuous soild solution. The melting p

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Harry, I suggest you consult the literature. Addition of Cu LOWERS the mp of Ni. Ni and Cu form a continuous soild solution. The melting point is close to being linear between 1083° and 1453°, the mp of Ni. Ed Storms On May 29, 2013, at 4:18 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: On Wed, May 29, 2013

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:13 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > "We know that Ni powder sinters at the temperature being produce" > > What about adding some small amount of some other element to raise the > sintering/melting temp; commonly done in alloying. > > OOTB suggestion... > Anyone ever tried an

RE: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

I agree with DaveR. Andrew and Duncan had only been actively contributing (and yes, mostly useful) for a week or two and the insults and snide remarks had already started... not one, but several. That is not disputable. BOTH parties could be right, and the difference is in a misunderstand

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Hmmm when the nickel starts to melt would bubbles of H2 form within the nickel? Harry On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > So, are we are suggesting instead a much thinner layer [.3g] spread over > the entire inner surface of the reactor only

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

Jed, I vote to keep him off for a while. Perhaps you missed his insults toward me and others on the list. What I find particularly funny is that he did not even realize that what I stated was true! If he eventually makes that spice model that I begged him and his friend Duncan to do, he migh

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

I wrote: > http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf >> >> > On p. 6. Very revealing!! > Oops. Cancel. Not so revealing. That's just putty. I didn't think Andrea would reveal so much. He is not Nature Unveiling Herself Before Science. http://en.wikipedia.org/w

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

no, no, no...cheese power requires a cheese sauce! ;-) Harry On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > > On May 29, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > You did not use the potassium based "secret sauce" that Rossi uses. > > > How do you know his sauce is potassium based? > > > Wi

RE: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Hi Fran, Plenty of evidence that LENR processes, if conditions are right, produce a lot of heat very quickly, so heat transfer is a major design requirement, thus, maximizing surface area is one way to achieve this requirement; much thinner layer coated on inner wall. 99% of interior volume empty

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Mark, according to my understanding, ANY material can be made nuclear active as long as H+ can dissolve in the material. The challenge is to know what change has to occur too create the NAE. Each theory suggests a different change. Simply making alloys is a waste of time unless this additi

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Axil Axil wrote: http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf > > On p. 6. Very revealing!! - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-Penon4-1.pdf On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > Hi Axil, > > If the pixs are with powder could you send me the link.*** > * > > Thanks > > Fran > > **

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

I agree, the clues do not look good for RF. Rossi must have given up on RF when he went to the Cat and Mouse design. You can’t have everything Cat, Mouse and RF. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:05 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > EM stimulation was discussed at length last week. Here is a summary: >

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

The hydrogen and the molecular clusters that it contains are part of the heat producing activity. The hydrogen must be coherent, entangled and a super fluid. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Roarty, Francis X < francis.x.roa...@lmco.com> wrote: > So, are we are suggesting instead a much thinner

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > William Beaty wrote: > > >> multiple violations of rule 2. >> >> (I suspect that he didn't read the rules before subscribing.) >> > > Whoa! That seems precipitous. He did not seem so bad to me. > > > Rule 2. NO SNEERING. Ridicule, derision,

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

"We know that Ni powder sinters at the temperature being produce" What about adding some small amount of some other element to raise the sintering/melting temp; commonly done in alloying. OOTB suggestion... Anyone ever tried an alloy of Ni and Pd??? Ni and Ti??? LENR works with both, NAE possibl

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

At 2000C the clustering of potassium is large enough to exclude the requirement that nickel must nucleate the NAE. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > > On May 29, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > There are two ways to form a NAE: fixed of dynamic. If a fixed NAE cannot

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

EM stimulation was discussed at length last week. Here is a summary: There is evidence and statements from Rossi that RF was used *at one time*, but we have NO evidence of that with the current design. The consensus last week was that the internal stainless steel cylinder is a Faraday cage

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

On May 29, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Axil Axil wrote: There are two ways to form a NAE: fixed of dynamic. If a fixed NAE cannot exist at 2000C, then the NAE must be dynamic First of all, 2000° is above the melting point of Ni and stainless steel. Once either melted, the reaction would stop regardl

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

On May 29, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Axil Axil wrote: Fixed NAE theory cannot explain the Cause of the meltdown of the Rossi reactor. Ed seems to ignore this clue. I ignore the clue because I do not think it is a clue. Only dynamic NAE creation can explain this meltdown process. Again, you say t

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Hi Axil, If the pixs are with powder could you send me the link. Thanks Fran From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:36 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat With such a small amount of powder involved, a super

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

The SCRs will give a giant di/dt but only once per cycle of the mains. From: Arnaud Kodeck [mailto:arnaud.kod...@lakoco.be] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:34 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat Axil, I doubt that the actual design of the eCat is ab

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

There are two ways to form a NAE: fixed of dynamic. If a fixed NAE cannot exist at 2000C, then the NAE must be dynamic On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > > On May 29, 2013, at 2:47 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > Fixed NAE theory cannot explain the Cause of the meltdown of the Ross

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

So, are we are suggesting instead a much thinner layer [.3g] spread over the entire inner surface of the reactor only? Or a foaming fixation that makes the nickel powder expand to fill the cavity ? From: MarkI-ZeroPoint [mailto:zeropo...@charter.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 4:33 PM To: vor

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

I think that compound was also used in the high school reactor. They claim a COP of 4. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote: > K2CO3 ? > > ** ** > -- > > *From:* Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:49 > *To:* v

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

OK, if you ask me to guess, I suspect the black box applies a variable power to the resistors in an effort to achieve the best average temperature for producing power without run away occurring. Dave is attempting to determine this waveform using his SPICE method. This variation needs to ma

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

K2CO3 ? _ From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:49 To: vortex-l Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat They stated that the chemical was potassium carbide or some other carbon potassium combo. Carbon will also make nana-par

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

They stated that the chemical was potassium carbide or some other carbon potassium combo. Carbon will also make nana-particles when the compound vaporizes. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > OK, can anyone from DGT verify that potassium is required to make Ni > nuclear acti

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

To bring CB signal, the wires have to be shielded. The impedance must match in all system. Attenuation of CB signal must be kept as low as possible . The simple wires from the black box to the eCat doesn't meet those requirements. It's common sense for an EE. _ From: Axil Axil [mailto:

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Fixed NAE theory cannot explain the Cause of the meltdown of the Rossi reactor. Ed seems to ignore this clue. Only dynamic NAE creation can explain this meltdown process. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > Why else would Rossi say that the output of his control box was a tra

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

OK, can anyone from DGT verify that potassium is required to make Ni nuclear active? If so, what chemical form is used? Ed Storms On May 29, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Axil Axil wrote: DGT has already stated that they use potassium. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: On May

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Why else would Rossi say that the output of his control box was a trade secret? A DC feed of a internal heater is not a trade secret. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote: > Axil, > > I doubt that the actual design of the eCat is able to bring CB range > signal from electri

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

DGT has already stated that they use potassium. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > > On May 29, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > You did not use the potassium based "secret sauce" that Rossi uses. > > > How do you know his sauce is potassium based? > > > Without the ab

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

With such a small amount of powder involved, a supercharge heat transfer mechanism must be in play. I say that the system is super fluidic. There are pictures of the inside of the tube and it looks smooth. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:32 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > Jed asked: > > Question: as

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Axil, I doubt that the actual design of the eCat is able to bring CB range signal from electrical heating system. Or where else ? _ From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 22:08 To: vortex-l Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat E

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

On May 29, 2013, at 2:27 PM, Axil Axil wrote: You did not use the potassium based "secret sauce" that Rossi uses. How do you know his sauce is potassium based? Without the ability to create potassium clusters, the reaction is weak. Using only hydrogen clusters will not support a vigorous

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Jed asked: Question: assuming it really is 0.3 g, what is the likely volume? Nowhere near enough to fill the cylinder. *Why such a large cylinder?* - most likely would be to get the necessary surface area to adequately transfer the heat from interior to exterior. -mark From: Jed R

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Amaud, I have no doubt EM stimulation will enhance the LENR reaction. The only question is whether Rossi is successfully applying such stimulation. Based on the design of the hot-e-Cat, I do not see any indication of EM being applied. The suggestion hat it is being created in the black box

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

You did not use the potassium based "secret sauce" that Rossi uses. Without the ability to create potassium clusters, the reaction is weak. Using only hydrogen clusters will not support a vigorous reaction. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Edmund Storms wrote: > Axil, you make your statements w

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Perhaps you can invite him back after a bit? Also maybe Abd? I miss him. > I miss Abd too. I wish he would not post walls of text. But he always has good counterarguments to make to rain on one's parade. This is a useful service. Eric

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

The EM stimulation may not need to be at a high frequency level. That could be superwave as discussed here http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg80933.html. You say that the Ni/H reaction has shown no need of EM stimul

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Axil, you make your statements with great certainty. Have you ever actually studied Ni and successfully caused LENR? I have and I do not see the behavior you claim must occur. Ed Storms On May 29, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Axil Axil wrote: EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka

RE: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

From: Joshua Cude First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more dense than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) will turn most observers away. Not necessarily “most” - only those observers whose ability to deduce and extrapolate from ex

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Amaud, we do not know this is as a fact. That conclusion is only proposed. We only know the black box controls the temperature INSIDE, probably in a complex way. The Ni-H2 reaction has shown no need in the past for EM stimulation. In any case, the design limits the frequency to a very narr

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Fran, I have heated Ni many times and did not observe the sintering to produce LENR. It only creats a brick of material. Sintering can be prevented if the surface is partly oxidized or covered with a compound. I suspect Rossi has created a compound containing NI on the surface that forms t

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

In the Arata experiment, when the powder melted, the reaction stopped. In dynamic NAE creation, when the NAE is destroyed, new NAEs take its place and the cycle is constant. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> That's bad because it reduces surface area. This

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

I wrote: > That's bad because it reduces surface area. This is what caused Arata's > pure Pd black cells to stop working after a while. > I mean the Double Structured (DS) cathodes. Those things were crammed full of Pd black, according to McKubre. I think he said that. Cramming them full ensure

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

If the powder sinters, I suppose: That's good because it is what makes the powder stick to the wall. That's bad because it reduces surface area. This is what caused Arata's pure Pd black cells to stop working after a while. Takahashi said it was not the high temperature but rather the chemical a

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

EMF simulation in the CB range will form nanoparticles (aka clusters). Potassium is the best candidate for the formation of dynamic NAE through nanoparticle formation when stimulated by EMF. On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Arnaud Kodeck wrote: > ** > > Ed, > > ** ** > > I think you forget t

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Ed, Is sintering necessarily bad? Could the sintering have also occurred to a lesser scale on the earlier ecat and actually be part of the NAE formation? Fran From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 3:53 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

I had to go through the past few threads that I honestly wasn't following to see what was meant. Yeah... I wouldn't have tolerated him as long as Bill did. It seemed he lived to say, "Oh Really?" On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > William Beaty wrote: > > >> multiple vio

Re: [Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

William Beaty wrote: > multiple violations of rule 2. > > (I suspect that he didn't read the rules before subscribing.) > Whoa! That seems precipitous. He did not seem so bad to me. Rule 2. NO SNEERING. Ridicule, derision, scoffing, and ad-hominem is banned. Debunking or "Pathological Skepti

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

If the reactor is entangled globally as indicated in nanoplasmonic theory, heat transfer would be isothermal based on super fluidic heat transfer. The hydrogen would be the same temperature as the powder. and so would the walls of the inner reactor tube. The secret sauce may be used to produce dy

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Ed, I think you forget to add the EM stimulation controlled by the black box between wall socket and the eCat. Arnaud _ From: Edmund Storms [mailto:stor...@ix.netcom.com] Sent: mercredi 29 mai 2013 21:53 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Edmund Storms Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Sp

RE: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

Eric/JC: I've read the report twice fully, and a few other times only to verify a specific statement. I still did not catch the significance that it was the output of the control box that was changed from 3ph to 1ph, not the input side. I posted as soon as I could to correct my error. Josh: I ha

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

Eric Walker wrote: > > First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more dense >> than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) will >> turn most observers away. >> > > Fine, so "most observers" will be turned away by this. From an > engineering perspectiv

Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Fran, I would not guess how Rossi bonds the powder to the wall, only that this must be done. A secret sauce is applied before the Ni is placed in the e-Cat in order to create the NAE. You need to identify how many additional secret sauces you think are involved. He also places a hydride in

[Vo]:MODERATOR: andrewppp removed

multiple violations of rule 2. (I suspect that he didn't read the rules before subscribing.) (( ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) ))) William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.co

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: First, the fact that this *source* of energy thousands of times more dense > than chemical has to be plugged in (to a high power line, no less) will > turn most observers away. > Fine, so "most observers" will be turned away by this. From an e

[Vo]:Fwd: look how nice my book flips now, I love Amazon

Subject: Re: look how nice my book flips now, I love Amazon I have all versions linked below, however, I checked the image and now it stopped spinning. It only flips just like Ed's. Cheated again! http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Ddigital-text&field-keywords=%

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

Eric Walker wrote: Most scientists, I expect, believe that a completely unequivocal demonstration of claims of Rossi's magnitude would be a trivial thing to stage, and would bear no resemblance to the farce that we are seeing. If there is any point of unanimity here (and there

RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Ed, you make a good case that something improves the thermal bond of the powder to the inner walls.. perhaps the function of the secret sauce.. I don't recall the volume of the powder used but am under the impression it fills most of the reactor tube and therefore must also have good thermal bon

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: That's not the opinion of the majority of observers of the case. Deception > on this scale -- frauds and scams -- are utterly common. Scientific > revolutions like this are very rare, especially from someone like Rossi. > Perhaps. But I think

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 10:24 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I wrote: > > >> But anyone in his right mind who looks at all of the experimental >> evidence for LENR will be convinced. > > > I mean the totality of the evidence, as Mallove called it. People such as > Cude deny that there is such a thing a

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

Hi, On 29-5-2013 17:22, Alain Sepeda wrote: in facts Nassim Nicholas Taleb explain tha in real life, increasing the volume of details, reduce the capacity to take the good decision. big picture is often raising the best vision... I recognize tha pathoskeptics have also their big picture, with

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:38 AM, Joshua Cude wrote: I disagree. The implications of cold fusion are what got the world in a > tizzy in 1989. Everyone, including many (if not most) scientists were > prepared to embrace cold fusion *because* of the implications. Thousands of > scientists cheered an

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

Cude said: And I think you use the term "conspiracy theory" incorrectly. In the case of the ecat, it's really a just run-of-the-mill deception on the scale of John Ernst Worrell Keely (whose lab was full of concealed tricks) or Papp or Stoern or Madison Priest (who ran a secret cable across a rive

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

Lol. That's a little bit redonculous. Far more likely: neither he nor I have read the paper closely enough. Eric On May 29, 2013, at 2:02, Joshua Cude wrote: > I think Mark was mistaken about this, and his failure to acknowledge it > suggests he is deliberately trying to mislead people, and

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

Vorl Bek wrote: > A lot of intelligent people at wavewatching and elsewhere, > don't seem to be impressed with the experimental evidence. None of these people has published a paper describing technical objections to any experiment. They have no rational reason to doubt the results. The rea

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

> From: "Rob Dingemans" > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 8:19:03 AM > What if the vessel is acting as a kind of capacitor and in > conjunction with the coil creates the ideal oscillation circuit? That's just like the (Biblical) Arc of the Covenant. A wood (cedar) insulator, with gold foil on eac

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

> From: "Bob Higgins" > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 7:29:30 AM > > I would like to submit my speculation about the latest Rossi hotCat > for discussion on Vortex-l. The Penon report (Aug 2012 -- the first hotcat radiative test) http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/105322688-P

Re: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test - 300Hz ripple

I see a circuit that generates DC with 300 Hz ripple. Good idea, ripple is so small that many DC loads would need no capacitors at all. Be interesting to know the wt/power ratio, compared to the usual single phase and three phase cases. Ol' Bab On 5/29/2013 11:05 AM, Rob Dingemans wrote:

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

If there is carbonyl nickel inside the hot-cat, a leakage will be extremely dangerous. Tetra carbonyl nickel is known as liquid death. . On Wed, 29 May 2013 10:19:03 -0600, DJ Cravens wrote: He doesn't have to have constant stable sites. Perhaps instead it is a constant creat

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

This is the dynamic NAE theory where ideally NAEs are formed and destroyed at a constant rate. But the Dynamic NAEs are centered on the nickel powder as a nucleating site. The Nickel powder must be evenly distributed to keep the heat production balanced. This is important, because this heat is t

Re: [Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

Dennis, I do not believe a process of continuous creation and destruction of sites would be stable and would result in stable production of energy, The creation and destruction processes are independent of each other. Just by chance, one would get the upper hand over the other, resulting in

Re: [Vo]:Ethics of the E-Cat investigation put into question

On Wed, 29 May 2013 09:49:26 -0400 Jed Rothwell wrote: > Vorl Bek wrote: > > > Whether or not they have ruled it out, nobody in his right mind > > would let this single test convert him to a belief in lenr. > > Perhaps. But anyone in his right mind who looks at all of the > experimental eviden

RE: [Vo]:new hypothesis to confute regarding input energy in Ecat test

Ok, wanted to correct any errors on my part as soon as possible so I did a quick search and this is where I got the impression of single-phase: pg 15 "The E-Cat HT2's power supply departs from that of the device used in December in that it is no longer three-phase, but *single-phase*: the

Re: [Vo]:Perfect response to Gugliemi

On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > > Well said. Go post that on the website. Why not? > ***I tried posting 2 comments along the same vein. They have not been released. In fact, it looks like no comments have been released for more than a day.

[Vo]:Speculation about hotCat

He doesn't have to have constant stable sites. Perhaps instead it is a constant creation of sites. For example (there must be many), he could be creating and then creating sites with something like Nickel carbonyl that would could create sites and the CO then be allowed to react again. However

Re: [Vo]:Perfect response to Gugliemi

It seems tha the scientific community have not slipped, but is in "normal science" mode, as Thomas Kuhn explain... if you cannot integrate the fact in the know paradigm, adjust a detail keeping the main paradigm, then last alternative is denying facts... when facts cannot be ignored, because you n

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