Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] the future of being an ISP
Ok, since I sort of started this…I posted something similar on my personal Facebook page and corrected it later in the day. I didn’t really expect it to take on a life of it’s own. The video of the house hearing is here: http://www.c-span.org/video/?323888-1/hearing-open-internet http://www.c-span.org/video/?323888-1/hearing-open-internet Mark On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: Is there a link or anything to see the details? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Jan 21, 2015, at 6:02 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: This posted on the facebook page of Athena Broadband of TN today: Chairman Powell of the FCC plans to reclassify the Internet as a regulated utility on Feb 26th. The chairman has confirmed in a house hearing today that USF fees WILL apply to Internet service. The current USF collection rate is 16.8% and adjusts automatically depending on how much money the government spends. If the FCC does this everyone's bill is going up by at least 16.8%. Be on the lookout as we may need your help again supporting our cause in DC against these types of actions! Looks like i've confirmed most the points of this post: * Unless we REALLY make some noise, we are probably being reclassified as a utility (title II). Yuk * Folks screaming on the radio tonight (talk radio) - internet bills go up by 16.8%. Comments? How do we break this to our customers? When will it take effect? How do we stop it? Can we stop it? How will you answer customer questions about this? ___ Members mailing list memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already
a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be
followed by end of sale.
Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF
which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge
on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention
to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as
well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund
and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.
-Original Message-
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and
moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is
now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now
just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a
way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can
get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the
country and his future/former clients any further economically than he
already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will
cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government
bigger.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make
it taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up.
There is another election in 2 years.
Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple:
the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The
pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money
off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're
unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress.
~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and
moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is now
seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now just
trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a way out
of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can get out,
preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the country and
his future/former clients any further economically than he already has,
including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will cost at least
$200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government
bigger.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make it
taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up.
There is another election in 2 years.
Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple:
the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The
pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money
off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're
unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress.
~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
When you what to change over 3k units…. Efficiency is king Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 10:34 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Opportunity to do things differently, AKA get rid of the reflectors. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:20:02 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? If there is no truth to that, why wouldn't you design it to work with the same accessories as your other radios? On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com; Jason McKemie Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: no Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr On 1/21/15, 3:00 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.bizmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Can't you use an epmp integrates on the 100 dish??? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 1:51 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: So we are migrating some our Canopy 100 to epmpŠ primarily using the Force110Š but I ponder, 99% of my PMP100 installs have dishesŠ Why cambium or anyone else has developed a simple bracket with a dual pol patch
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules???
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already
a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be
followed by end of sale.
Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF
which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge
on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention
to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as
well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund
and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.
-Original Message-
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and
moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is
now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now
just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a
way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can
get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the
country and his future/former clients any further economically than he
already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will
cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government
bigger.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make
it taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up.
There is another election in 2 years.
Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple:
the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The
pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money
off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're
unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress.
~Seth
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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Wherever you buy Ubiquity.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of joseph marsh
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where is a good place to get it
On Jan 22, 2015 12:22 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
jrichard...@aircloud.com mailto:jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Joseph,
Get the airControl appliance. It’s ready to go out of the box, you can install
it at your office or in one of your towers. It does not matter where it is as
long as it has internet and a static IP.
Jerry
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
Of joseph marsh
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Mike who u recommend?
On Jan 21, 2015 8:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
There are hundreds if not thousands of VM providers. Amazon is the biggest and
Google, Microsoft, Rackspace and many others are big, but almost every hosting
company offers them. I'm not sure of their pros\cons because I run my own
environment.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:22:01 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where u get the VM or vps
On Jan 21, 2015 5:15 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, just get a cheap VPS from somewhere. Problem solved.
On Jan 21, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One {VM provider of choice} instance for all UniFis everywhere.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:24:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
I don't think he has a VM cluster set up. Not worth setting up one for just
Unifi.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net
mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One VM anywhere in the world with Internet access is all you need.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
_
From: joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:00:43 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Can I set up a PC at the tower and mange it that way
On Jan 21, 2015 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
No. You need it when you make changes only. Once it's configured you can turn
the machine off. It obviously won't be able to do reporting and such, but
it'll function like a normal AP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
mailto:bwireless...@gmail.com wrote:
Does the unifi require a PC to be hooked up at all time
On Jan 21, 2015 1:50 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com
mailto:cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning? Did wifi come back up after a
minute or two?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know if this is a bug or not... Our new Unifi AP has been running
about 24 hours without a hitch. I started up the controller on my desktop,
and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi. I had not pushed any
buttons, merely started the Unifi controller app.
Is this a known issue?
Not nice.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
It runs like shit on windows. It's using Linux emulation libraries.
On January 20, 2015 10:48:12 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
The machine I first loaded it on is running Windows 8.1 (puke BTW), but
I didn't have a lot of choices. When Unifi didn't work, I googled
around and found out I needed to roll back java to 7.x.
But it's a pretty snappy machine; 3.7 GHz quad-core A10 with plenty of
memory.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Depends on the hardware it's on, and the hardware you're using to
manage it.
On January 20, 2015 10:18:31 AM AKST, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
With all the talk, we got some of these. Put one up in our office
this
morning. It seems to work OK.
Controller takes a century to load
Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
I haven't seen the controllers as soon as I get back in office. I'll look
around at the vendors I use
On Jan 22, 2015 12:51 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Wherever you buy Ubiquity.
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
*Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:24 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where is a good place to get it
On Jan 22, 2015 12:22 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Joseph,
Get the airControl appliance. It’s ready to go out of the box, you can
install it at your office or in one of your towers. It does not matter
where it is as long as it has internet and a static IP.
Jerry
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Mike who u recommend?
On Jan 21, 2015 8:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
There are hundreds if not thousands of VM providers. Amazon is the biggest
and Google, Microsoft, Rackspace and many others are big, but almost every
hosting company offers them. I'm not sure of their pros\cons because I run
my own environment.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:22:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where u get the VM or vps
On Jan 21, 2015 5:15 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, just get a cheap VPS from somewhere. Problem solved.
On Jan 21, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One {VM provider of choice} instance for all UniFis everywhere.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:24:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
I don't think he has a VM cluster set up. Not worth setting up one for
just Unifi.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One VM anywhere in the world with Internet access is all you need.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:00:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Can I set up a PC at the tower and mange it that way
On Jan 21, 2015 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
No. You need it when you make changes only. Once it's configured you can
turn the machine off. It obviously won't be able to do reporting and such,
but it'll function like a normal AP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the unifi require a PC to be hooked up at all time
On Jan 21, 2015 1:50 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning? Did wifi come back up after a
minute or two?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know if this is a bug or not... Our new Unifi AP has been
running
about 24 hours without a hitch. I started up the controller on my
desktop,
and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi. I had not pushed any
buttons, merely started the Unifi controller app.
Is this a known issue?
Not nice.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
It runs like shit on windows. It's using Linux emulation libraries.
On January 20, 2015 10:48:12 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
The machine I first loaded it on is running Windows 8.1 (puke BTW), but
I didn't have a lot of choices. When Unifi didn't work, I googled
around and found out I needed to roll back java to 7.x.
But it's a pretty snappy machine; 3.7 GHz quad-core A10 with plenty of
memory.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Depends on the hardware it's on, and the hardware you're using to
manage it.
On January 20, 2015 10:18:31 AM AKST, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com wrote:
With all the talk, we got some of these. Put one up in our office
this
morning. It seems to work OK.
Controller takes a century to load initially.
I had to time-travel back from 2115 to write this.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/13/2015 2:08 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/13/15 13:49, Daniel White wrote:
I have a Unifi AC AP
Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
http://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=UVC-NVR
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 1:52 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:
I haven't seen the controllers as soon as I get back in office. I'll look
around at the vendors I use
On Jan 22, 2015 12:51 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Wherever you buy Ubiquity.
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
*Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:24 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where is a good place to get it
On Jan 22, 2015 12:22 PM, Jerry Richardson (airCloud)
jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote:
Joseph,
Get the airControl appliance. It’s ready to go out of the box, you can
install it at your office or in one of your towers. It does not matter
where it is as long as it has internet and a static IP.
Jerry
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *joseph marsh
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Mike who u recommend?
On Jan 21, 2015 8:06 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
There are hundreds if not thousands of VM providers. Amazon is the
biggest and Google, Microsoft, Rackspace and many others are big, but
almost every hosting company offers them. I'm not sure of their pros\cons
because I run my own environment.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:22:01 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Where u get the VM or vps
On Jan 21, 2015 5:15 PM, Josh Baird joshba...@gmail.com wrote:
Yeah, just get a cheap VPS from somewhere. Problem solved.
On Jan 21, 2015, at 3:26 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One {VM provider of choice} instance for all UniFis everywhere.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:24:15 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
I don't think he has a VM cluster set up. Not worth setting up one for
just Unifi.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
One VM anywhere in the world with Internet access is all you need.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 2:00:43 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] WiFi for restaurant
Can I set up a PC at the tower and mange it that way
On Jan 21, 2015 1:54 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
No. You need it when you make changes only. Once it's configured you
can turn the machine off. It obviously won't be able to do reporting and
such, but it'll function like a normal AP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 2:51 PM, joseph marsh bwireless...@gmail.com
wrote:
Does the unifi require a PC to be hooked up at all time
On Jan 21, 2015 1:50 PM, Caleb Knauer cknauer.li...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like the AP was re-provisioning? Did wifi come back up after a
minute or two?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't know if this is a bug or not... Our new Unifi AP has been
running
about 24 hours without a hitch. I started up the controller on my
desktop,
and my partners laptop lost connection to WiFi. I had not pushed any
buttons, merely started the Unifi controller app.
Is this a known issue?
Not nice.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:54 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
It runs like shit on windows. It's using Linux emulation libraries.
On January 20, 2015 10:48:12 AM AKST, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
The machine I first loaded it on is running Windows 8.1 (puke BTW),
but
I didn't have a lot of choices. When Unifi didn't work, I googled
around and found out I needed to roll back java to 7.x.
But it's a pretty snappy machine; 3.7 GHz quad-core A10 with plenty of
memory.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/20/2015 11:40 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
Depends on the hardware it's on, and the hardware you're using to
manage it.
On January 20, 2015 10:18:31 AM AKST, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com wrote:
With all the talk, we got some of these. Put one up in our office
this
morning. It seems to work OK.
Controller takes a
Re: [AFMUG] 450 Mounting Brackets
The MTI mount? LMG has new ones. I've got a box with the model if you can't find it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 10:42 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Good morning, Need some 450 Mounting brackets so we can attach the AP’s to the standoff. I am looking for ideas that will work with the KP Performance antennas. *Tyson Burris, President* *Internet Communications Inc.* *739 Commerce Dr.* *Franklin, IN 46131* *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net [image: ICI] *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Ken, I’m trying to get Alex to answer you to the mailing list so I don’t mangle this. I don’t think Alex is on this list, and with the new list server it might be hard for him to answer here. Mark On Jan 22, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the rules change. The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas, leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating illegally. Kind of a Walter White choice. It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something they believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP market. From: John Woodfield mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three. I think that's about the size of it. Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules??? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com http://www.delmarvawifi.com/ cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be followed by end of sale. Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us. -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the country and his future/former clients any further economically than he already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone. All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government bigger. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make it taste any better,
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Yes, I’m sure. I’m running 17dBm on 5170. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:16 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Are you sure about that? I thought they were still operating under the old rules for 5.8ghz... everything in 5150-5250 already has to use the new rules (which MImosa does), but my understanding is that the new rules would basically limit 5.8ghz to what 5.1ghz is doing now, and on a Mimosa B5 (integrated) I can set the Tx power to 17db in 5.8ghz, but only 7db in 5.1ghz. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC proposed. The problem is that the rules were like using a hammer to break an egg. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the rules change. The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas, leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating illegally. Kind of a Walter White choice. It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something they believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP market. From: John Woodfieldmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three. I think that's about the size of it. Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules??? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be followed by end of sale. Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us. -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the country and his future/former clients any further economically than he already
[AFMUG] ePMP range
What kind of range are you getting with ePMP gear on the Canopy 120 degree sectors? And with what kind of antenna on the customer end? Integrated, Force110, reflector dish? Thanks in advance. Rex
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Are you sure about that? I thought they were still operating under the old rules for 5.8ghz... everything in 5150-5250 already has to use the new rules (which MImosa does), but my understanding is that the new rules would basically limit 5.8ghz to what 5.1ghz is doing now, and on a Mimosa B5 (integrated) I can set the Tx power to 17db in 5.8ghz, but only 7db in 5.1ghz. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC proposed. The problem is that the rules were like using a hammer to break an egg. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the rules change. The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas, leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating illegally. Kind of a Walter White choice. It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something they believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP market. *From:* John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three. I think that's about the size of it. Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules??? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com af...@kwisp.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be followed by end of sale. Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us. -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the country and his future/former clients any further economically than he already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone. All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government bigger. Rory -Original Message- From: Af
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
somebody sees the light at the end of the tunnel :)
gotta luv unsync'd spectrum hog based gear.
Im hitting the deck on that one LOL
On 01/22/2015 08:53 AM, John Woodfield wrote:
But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing
up UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody
even bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government
starting throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz
channels all over the place...
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410)
708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on
EIRP instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna
probably doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big
panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly.
The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters
added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in
antenna gain, or a combination of the three.
I think that's about the size of it.
Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules???
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell
(410) 708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are
already
a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming
soon, to be
followed by end of sale.
Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to
pay into USF
which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a
below-the-line charge
on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay
attention
to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing
it as
well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the
CAF fund
and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.
-Original Message-
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric,
ignorant, and
moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is
pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or
economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the
country is
now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is.
Wheeler is now
just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying
to find a
way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second
he can
get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss
destroy the
country and his future/former clients any further economically
than he
already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now
that will
cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article.
Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make
government
bigger.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it
would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government.
Doesn't make
it taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates
went up.
There is another election in 2 years.
Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is
simple:
the total bill is higher because the government added a new
tax. The
pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money
off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're
unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in
congress.
~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] 450 Mounting Brackets
Yep, thanks. On the way now. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:47 AM To: af@afmug.com Cc: memb...@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA Members] [AFMUG] 450 Mounting Brackets The MTI mount? LMG has new ones. I've got a box with the model if you can't find it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 10:42 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net mailto:t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Good morning, Need some 450 Mounting brackets so we can attach the AP’s to the standoff. I am looking for ideas that will work with the KP Performance antennas. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 tel:317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 tel:317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: http://www.surfici.net www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
[AFMUG] 450 Mounting Brackets
Good morning, Need some 450 Mounting brackets so we can attach the AP's to the standoff. I am looking for ideas that will work with the KP Performance antennas. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Interesting. Is that just the integrated, or also the B5c and with what gain antennas? From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:35 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC proposed. The problem is that the rules were like using a hammer to break an egg. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the rules change. The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas, leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating illegally. Kind of a Walter White choice. It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something they believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP market. From: John Woodfield Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three. I think that's about the size of it. Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules??? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be followed by end of sale. Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us. -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the country and his future/former clients any further economically than he already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone. All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government bigger. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would
Re: [AFMUG] SRTM data block download
Are you using radio mobile? If so, you just choose one of the servers from the drop down. I think you can ftp it from the same servers if you just want the data I'm not in front of my computer so I can't really give you more specifics than that right now. -sean On Thursday, January 22, 2015, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Does anyone know where I can download the complete SRTM database download? I didn’t move it to my new server so it’s going to take a few days to get at it. I’m looking for the 1 Arc-sec copy. If not, how about some software that can do a block download. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net'); www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] 450 Mounting Brackets
If you are buying the sector antennas from KPP, they will also sell you the 450 AP mounting bracket: http://www.kpperformance.ca/mti-wireless-antenna-mount-mt-120018-a although I suspect they are Chinese MTI knockoffs. Detail not as sharp in the cast parts, and covered with some sort of oil, but they work. From: Brian Sullivan Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 Mounting Brackets There is the MTi $32.00 option. http://www.atlasrfidstore.com/mti-rfid-antenna-mounting-kit-mt-120018/ And there is a $3.00 option: On 1/22/2015 9:42 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc wrote: Good morning, � Need some 450 Mounting brackets so we can attach the AP�s to the standoff. I am looking for ideas that will work with the KP Performance antennas. � Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 � 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net � What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. � CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. �
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
The new rules don’t prohibit high power operation in 5.8, they limit the out of band emission into 5.4 to such extreme levels that it’s very difficult to get the equipment to pass certification. I wish I could recall exactly what the numbers are but the gist of it was that if you take a currently legal 5.8 radio with a high gain antenna and point it at a TDWR site, the out of band emissions inside the TDWR band can still be high enough to cause an issue. The result being that the FCC imposed much stricter limits on the OOB emissions thus making the equipment either much more expensive or requiring power reductions in the 5730-5850 section of the band. Mark On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure about that? I thought they were still operating under the old rules for 5.8ghz... everything in 5150-5250 already has to use the new rules (which MImosa does), but my understanding is that the new rules would basically limit 5.8ghz to what 5.1ghz is doing now, and on a Mimosa B5 (integrated) I can set the Tx power to 17db in 5.8ghz, but only 7db in 5.1ghz. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net mailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC proposed. The problem is that the rules were like using a hammer to break an egg. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the rules change. The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas, leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating illegally. Kind of a Walter White choice. It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something they believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP market. From: John Woodfield mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com http://www.delmarvawifi.com/ cell (410) 708-1937 tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three. I think that's about the size of it. Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules??? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com http://www.delmarvawifi.com/ cell (410) 708-1937 tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be followed by end of sale. Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us. -Original Message- From: Rory Conaway Sent: Thursday,
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Is this why the power is so limited in the US ePMP gear and not UBNT? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:23am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP The new rules don’t prohibit high power operation in 5.8, they limit the out of band emission into 5.4 to such extreme levels that it’s very difficult to get the equipment to pass certification. I wish I could recall exactly what the numbers are but the gist of it was that if you take a currently legal 5.8 radio with a high gain antenna and point it at a TDWR site, the out of band emissions inside the TDWR band can still be high enough to cause an issue. The result being that the FCC imposed much stricter limits on the OOB emissions thus making the equipment either much more expensive or requiring power reductions in the 5730-5850 section of the band. Mark On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Mathew Howard [ mhoward...@gmail.com ]( mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com ) wrote: Are you sure about that? I thought they were still operating under the old rules for 5.8ghz... everything in 5150-5250 already has to use the new rules (which MImosa does), but my understanding is that the new rules would basically limit 5.8ghz to what 5.1ghz is doing now, and on a Mimosa B5 (integrated) I can set the Tx power to 17db in 5.8ghz, but only 7db in 5.1ghz. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Rory Conaway [ r...@triadwireless.net ]( mailto:r...@triadwireless.net ) wrote: The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC proposed. The problem is that the rules were like using a hammer to break an egg. Rory From: Af [mailto:[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On Behalf Of Ken HohhofSent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the rules change. The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas, leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating illegally. Kind of a Walter White choice. It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something they believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP market. From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com/ ) cell [ (410) 708-1937 ]( tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 ) -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett [ dmmoff...@gmail.com ]( mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three. I think that's about the size of it. Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules??? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com/ ) cell [ (410) 708-1937 ]( tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 ) -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com ]( mailto:af...@kwisp.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be followed by end of sale. Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge on customer
[AFMUG] SRTM data block download
Does anyone know where I can download the complete SRTM database download? I didn't move it to my new server so it's going to take a few days to get at it. I'm looking for the 1 Arc-sec copy. If not, how about some software that can do a block download. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] SRTM data block download
Like for RM? He had mirrors for it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 10:49 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Does anyone know where I can download the complete SRTM database download? I didn’t move it to my new server so it’s going to take a few days to get at it. I’m looking for the 1 Arc-sec copy. If not, how about some software that can do a block download. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.net
[AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis
Does anyone make a 5ghz dual-pol omni with higher gain than 13dbi? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
Wimax. It was the competitor to LTE. Sprint vs Verizon. Guess who won =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
[AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
Searching on eBay, it looks like a lot of the CPE was Motorola. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Wimax. It was the competitor to LTE. Sprint vs Verizon. Guess who won =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
Old ones were next net On Jan 22, 2015 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Searching on eBay, it looks like a lot of the CPE was Motorola. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Wimax. It was the competitor to LTE. Sprint vs Verizon. Guess who won =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
Pre wimax On Jan 22, 2015 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Searching on eBay, it looks like a lot of the CPE was Motorola. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Wimax. It was the competitor to LTE. Sprint vs Verizon. Guess who won =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
Me too! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:35 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I do remember that... *From:* Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:12 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I QUIT!!! :-) On Thursday, January 22, 2015, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Mud, covered with mud Jamie Curtis... Remember the feud on Part-15 about 10 years ago. Two wisps in the Chicago area. Dirty deeds were alleged. Cannot remember the parties. Michael may have been one of them. I think amps were involved. Let’s revive that thread! *From:* Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:22 AM *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I will in contrast to previously posted messages I'm happy with the service for my uses. My calls and emails are answered regularly and timely enough to satisfy my needs. Sorry you had a bad experience, but you make yourself look very unprofessional with your links and posts, especially with your choice of words. Let's just agree to disagree and move on. On Jan 22, 2015 12:18 PM, James Howard javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ja...@litewire.net'); wrote: Maybe Chuck needs to break out the fire hose and wash off all the mud. [image: http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQGzFUwUMCNR_KPvKbNbtuDVxcpKN-4oU1PQU6HkbIiMwUVI6wX] *From:* Af [mailto:javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:16 AM *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I don't want to see either of them covered in mud. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Adam Moffett javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmmoff...@gmail.com'); *To: *javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:10:08 AM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Apparently nobody wants the other to guy to have the last word. You've both been slinging mud, you're both now covered in mud. Please stop now. Did you contact us prior to 4:54pm on Saturday, nope, that is the first e-mail we got from you... We were in the office and took many calls on the 2nd, , so don’t know what number you called, but it wasn’t us! So, guess there is plenty of fault to go around. As far as your new provider, I won’t speak bad/good about someone else’s product. If someone wishes to know the differences, please contact us off-list or via our phone number listed below. I’m sure they offer a great product for you. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','den...@linktechs.net'); – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:54 AM *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I checked several ISP's sites. All of their coverage maps were non-fuctional. Was your website itself down? No. Was the product you charge for non-functional? Absolutely. Did you respond prior to my rant on DSLR? No. Did you fix it prior to that post after it being down for a day? No. Did you answer your phones at any time on a Friday? No. Clear enough? I have a new company that charges less money and responds very quickly to issues. I suggest you move on, I sure have. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 %28410%29%20708-1937 -Original Message- From: Dennis Burgess javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dmburg...@linktechs.net'); Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:49am To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? John, the “entire site” was not down. Was there an issue, yes, was it fixed THAT WEEKEND, yes. You outright lies tell everyone a great deal about you and your business. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','den...@linktechs.net'); – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *John Woodfield *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:01 PM *To:* javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? We answer phones and emails on the weekend. I can say, I am working with Cloud RF for my towercoverage replacement. I had
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
I was looking more for a manufacturer / product line. On Jan 22, 2015, at 2:29 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Wimax. It was the competitor to LTE. Sprint vs Verizon. Guess who won =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
Didn’t Motorola buy NextNet? Wait, is that where the 320 came from? From: TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Old ones were next net On Jan 22, 2015 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Searching on eBay, it looks like a lot of the CPE was Motorola. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Wimax. It was the competitor to LTE. Sprint vs Verizon. Guess who won =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com wrote: Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
[AFMUG] An Odd SIP issue
We have an internet customer with a panasonic phone system connecting to a Broadvox SIP trunk. After a power outage, their phones quit working. a day and a half of troubleshooting away, we had to default their Fortigate Firewall (we had removed all session helpers from the config previously) to get a test SIP client to connet to their broadvox trunk. The phone system would still never establish behind the fortigate or an air router (the air router is what led us to realize the SIP session helper needed to be back) Here is the odd thing, the phone system will never register, until we bring up any SIP client on their network. We tested with a Fortivoice SIP handset using their account. we bring it up, the phone system comes up. We ended up putting a little sip client on a PC to connect uop if the phone system is restarted. we believe this is narrowed down to being a panasonic issue. I am not 100% clear on the details of how a sip trunk works. But here is what I suspect. The phone system had been up and registered for a long time, it was staying connected via that registration. In the mean time the provider has changed something in their communications or protocols that was designed to make their service more friendly by utilizing SIP helpers, etc. When they lost power it finally had to establish a new registration connection, and everything went to shit. The Panasonic is on old old old firmware, so it might be having a communication issue (hes scheduled saturday to update). Its just odd that the only way to get the phone system to register is to establish the same connection from a different device first on the same network segment. anybody ever come across something like this? I never could get a good packet capture on our edge router to see the associated packets well. the only visibility I ever got was at our POP where I saw the udp 5060 connection, but it had 0 bytes, like the headers were there for the packets, but there wasnt any actual payload. I really wish the firmware on their site firewall allowed a pcap export, I would like to see the communications taking place. -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP
instead of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably
doesn't have to change anything, but anything with big
panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce their OOB emissions accordingly.
The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will require expensive filters
added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power, or a reduction in
antenna gain, or a combination of the three.
I think that's about the size of it.
Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules???
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410)
708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are
already
a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be
followed by end of sale.
Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay
into USF
which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line
charge
on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention
to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as
well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF
fund
and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.
-Original Message-
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric,
ignorant, and
moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is
pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or
economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is
now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is
now
just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to
find a
way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can
get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss
destroy the
country and his future/former clients any further economically than he
already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that
will
cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government
bigger.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make
it taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up.
There is another election in 2 years.
Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple:
the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The
pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money
off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're
unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress.
~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT
stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do
spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket
dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place...
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead
of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to
change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce
their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will
require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power,
or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three.
I think that's about the size of it.
Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules???
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ](
http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell (410) 708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof [ af...@kwisp.com ]( mailto:af...@kwisp.com )
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already
a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be
followed by end of sale.
Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF
which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge
on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention
to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as
well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund
and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.
-Original Message-
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and
moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is
now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now
just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a
way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can
get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the
country and his future/former clients any further economically than he
already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will
cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government
bigger.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [[ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On
Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com )
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make
it taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up.
There is another election in 2 years.
Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple:
the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The
pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money
off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're
unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress.
~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher prices,
and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they just walk
away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the
money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the rules change.
The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low
gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas,
leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating illegally.
Kind of a Walter White choice.
It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will
hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something they
believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP market.
From: John Woodfield
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT
stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do
spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket
dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place...
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead
of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to
change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce
their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will
require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power,
or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three.
I think that's about the size of it.
Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules???
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already
a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be
followed by end of sale.
Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF
which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge
on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention
to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as
well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund
and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.
-Original Message-
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and
moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is
now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now
just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a
way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can
get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the
country and his future/former clients any further economically than he
already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will
cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government
bigger.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make
it taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up.
There is another election in 2 years.
Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple:
the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The
pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
No - still worrying about that.
Alex Phillips, as chair of WISPA’s FCC committee, has been working hard with
several of the manufacturers and the FCC to come up with a compromise proposal
that will satisfy the FCC. Cambium, Mimosa, Ubiquiti, and others have all
been talking and I last I heard they were pretty close to a proposal they feel
will satisfy the FCC and the FAA.
Mark
On Jan 22, 2015, at 9:28 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote:
So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already a
done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be
followed by end of sale.
Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF
which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge
on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention to
below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as well.
The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund and our
big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.
-Original Message- From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and
moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is
now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now
just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a
way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can get
out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the
country and his future/former clients any further economically than he
already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will
cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government
bigger.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make it
taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory Conaway wrote:
I think we need to tell every single customer why the rates went up.
There is another election in 2 years.
Your rates aren't going up. The explanation to the customer is simple:
the total bill is higher because the government added a new tax. The
pre-tax price of service hasn't changed. We're not making any money
off this, if anything it adds more overhead to collect it. If you're
unhappy with this tax then call/write your representatives in congress.
~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC proposed. The
problem is that the rules were like using a hammer to break an egg.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher prices,
and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they just walk
away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the
money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the rules change.
The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low
gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas,
leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating illegally.
Kind of a Walter White choice.
It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will
hopefully appease the FCC and FAA, I assume they are proposing something they
believe they can actually design, manufacture and sell to the WISP market.
From: John Woodfieldmailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:53 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
But will they enforce it with all the amateurs running around throwing up UBNT
stuff everywhere? Its gotten really bad around here. Nobody even bothers to do
spectrum analysis. Heck the county government starting throwing up rocket
dishes at full power blasting 40mhz channels all over the place...
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.commailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:49am
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
Oh you missed that? Out of band emissions limits will be based on EIRP instead
of Tx power. So a linksys router with a 3db antenna probably doesn't have to
change anything, but anything with big panels/dishes/sectors has to reduce
their OOB emissions accordingly. The end result is staying legal in 5ghz will
require expensive filters added to the equipment, or a reduction in tx power,
or a reduction in antenna gain, or a combination of the three.
I think that's about the size of it.
Ok What did I miss. New 5ghz rules???
John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
-Original Message-
From: Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:28am
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
So did all you folks stop worrying about the 5 GHz rules? They are already
a done deal, the end of new equipment authorization is coming soon, to be
followed by end of sale.
Seems like this is as big an issue if not bigger than having to pay into USF
which, let's face it, we just turn around and add as a below-the-line charge
on customer bills. Customers have already proved they don't pay attention
to below-the-line charges, plus all the competition would be doing it as
well. The main downside I see is if they increase the size of the CAF fund
and our big competition gets even more subsidies to overbuild us.
-Original Message-
From: Rory Conaway
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:14 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
You should change it to, when required by corrupt, geriatric, ignorant, and
moronic government politicians. There is no question why Obama is pushing
this, he is an ideological idiot with absolutely no management or economic
skills. Add to that his feelings are hurt that the rest of the country is
now seeing him for the egomaniac immature child that he is. Wheeler is now
just trying to keep his job temporarily but I guarantee is trying to find a
way out of this that preserves his lobbying business. The second he can
get out, preserve his reputation, and probably not let his boss destroy the
country and his future/former clients any further economically than he
already has, including the 1200 new regulations taking effect now that will
cost at least $200B this year alone, he's gone.
All I know is I didn't go far enough with my Tom Wheeler article. Obama
blindsided me on his need to destroy another industry and make government
bigger.
Rory
-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:21 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP
We have always had the disclaimer in our service agreement that it would
include taxes/surcharges if/when required by the government. Doesn't make
it taste any better, but it covers the reality.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 1/21/2015 6:23 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
On 1/21/15 18:07, Rory
Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter?
This, and a subsequent NDA is about the only other thing that makes any sense. Kind of. On Wednesday, January 21, 2015, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Maybe Charles was bought off to ward off a competitor? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 9:35 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net'); wrote: That's the exact scenario that I posed and was avoided. CTI was definitely MemoryLink. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 6:22:04 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? It's also a strange coincidence that CTI's ptmp offering that could supposedly sync with Canopy disappeared and shortly thereafter ePMP came on the scene... On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com'); wrote: You can put that rumor to rest because it’s not true. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af-boun...@afmug.com');] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Wednesday, January 21, 2015 5:30 PM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');; Jason McKemie *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? That's a rumor I have heard as well. On January 21, 2015 2:27:58 PM AKST, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com'); wrote: It's probably because they didn't originally design ePMP, just purchased it off of someone else (possibly Memorylink?) On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mhoward...@gmail.com'); wrote: I can only see two logical reasons that they didn't do that - either it's significantly cheaper to build an antenna in the ePMP form factor, or they purposely didn't want them to work too well with Canopy accessories... presumably to encourage people to upgrade FSK networks to 450 instead. On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: So you mean epmp guts put into the case they used for FSK, 430 and 450? That would make way too much sense, though... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','g...@aeronetpr.com'); wrote: Sorry, epmp unit with SM like features (bracket and patch) Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:13 PM *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? What do you mean put in epmp like unit? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 6:05 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','g...@aeronetpr.com'); wrote: Josh, you are missing the whole point… I know this, but that combo dosnt yield good gain… maybe 15-16db total gain at best… also you need special adapters for it to work. We need a direct replacement, remove SM, put Epmp like unit Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Date: *Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at 7:00 PM *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Canopy to Epmp migration path adapter? Dude you can use the 27rd or KP reflectors with EPMP. I believe the force 110 is better gain though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 21, 2015 5:12 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','g...@aeronetpr.com');
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
Awesome, thank you. We are going to be interviewing a guy who used to work for Clearwire and I need to brush up. On Jan 22, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Motorola for both Access Network (AP/BS) and ASN-Gateway. And a mix of Redback (now Ericsson) and Starent (now Cisco) for the Home Agent, AAA etc. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Huawei was some of it. I'm not sure what else was used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ~WRD058.jpg~WRD058.jpg~WRD058.jpg~WRD058.jpg From: Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:27:47 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
No problem. Motorola's WiMAX business was sold to NewNet a few years ago. So if the guy says NewNet, he would be correct. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Awesome, thank you. We are going to be interviewing a guy who used to work for Clearwire and I need to brush up. On Jan 22, 2015, at 3:58 PM, Sriram Chaturvedi sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:sriram.chaturv...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Motorola for both Access Network (AP/BS) and ASN-Gateway. And a mix of Redback (now Ericsson) and Starent (now Cisco) for the Home Agent, AAA etc. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:47 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Huawei was some of it. I'm not sure what else was used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.comhttp://www.ics-il.com/ ~WRD058.jpghttps://www.facebook.com/ICSIL~WRD058.jpghttps://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb~WRD058.jpghttps://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions~WRD058.jpghttps://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.commailto:d...@wyoming.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:27:47 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
[AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats
Was wondering if anyone had come up with a nifty-keeno way to export usage counters to a SQL database? Trying not to re-invent the wheel, just modify it with 22's on spinners or something fancy. Currently mapping that information through mangle rules, however Passthroughs are an option as well. -Tim
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
Which company did you move to? - Original Message - From: John Woodfield To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I checked several ISP's sites. All of their coverage maps were non-fuctional. Was your website itself down? No. Was the product you charge for non-functional? Absolutely. Did you respond prior to my rant on DSLR? No. Did you fix it prior to that post after it being down for a day? No. Did you answer your phones at any time on a Friday? No. Clear enough? I have a new company that charges less money and responds very quickly to issues. I suggest you move on, I sure have. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:49am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? John, the “entire site” was not down. Was there an issue, yes, was it fixed THAT WEEKEND, yes. You outright lies tell everyone a great deal about you and your business. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? We answer phones and emails on the weekend. I can say, I am working with Cloud RF for my towercoverage replacement. I had an issue last weekend and they responded to my email within 5 minutes and mine was an isolated issue. Not their entire site being down for two days like towercoverage.com. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:19pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Depends on other competitors out there. We don't answer phones or emails on weekends either - usually. We do respond to outages tho - Original Message - From: John Woodfield To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? If that is an absolute low I'd love to see how you treat your customers. This is not the days of running a WISP like it was 5 or 10 years ago. In this day it is utterly unacceptable to have an entire sight outage, ignore your phones and emails then only respond when you've been called out publicly. I've been there. It may be uncomfortable but that is reality. Prohibiting your customers from online reviews then applauding your own deplorable service? I don't know what world you live in but with that approach you won't be in business long if at all. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Steve D bigd...@gmail.com wrote: Personally, I applaud the fact that he fired someone that insulted him and his coworkers. Whether it's in the TOS or not, thank you Dennis for standing up to that behaviour. I may never use your service (Cartography and GIS is a minor hobby of mine) so I can't comment how good or bad it is, but I know the difference between a bad review and someone who is just being rude. Obviously no professionalism on his part in that review I have zero respect for that. It's bad enough when we in this industry have to hear it from customers and take it, but effectively doing it to each other is an absolute low. -Steve D On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Dennis, I’m not trying to defend the poster or anything but could you point out where in your Terms that it prohibits what he did? I see your restriction on reviews etc but unless I’m missing something, that doesn’t specify posts or reviews on sites other that towercoverage.com. IANAL of course so maybe it’s implied, but what I read there seems to only apply to actions on your site. James Howard LiteWire Internet Services, Inc. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Yep.. bout the truth.. lol. J Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Richardson (airCloud) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Well aren’t you monitoring every list and every forum all the time? Sheesh, slacker.. Jerry From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
Cloud RF John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:50pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Which company did you move to? - Original Message - From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I checked several ISP's sites. All of their coverage maps were non-fuctional. Was your website itself down? No. Was the product you charge for non-functional? Absolutely. Did you respond prior to my rant on DSLR? No. Did you fix it prior to that post after it being down for a day? No. Did you answer your phones at any time on a Friday? No. Clear enough? I have a new company that charges less money and responds very quickly to issues. I suggest you move on, I sure have. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:49am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? John, the “entire site” was not down. Was there an issue, yes, was it fixed THAT WEEKEND, yes. You outright lies tell everyone a great deal about you and your business. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. [ den...@linktechs.net ]( mailto:den...@linktechs.net ) – 314-735-0270 – [ www.linktechs.net ]( http://www.linktechs.net ) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? We answer phones and emails on the weekend. I can say, I am working with Cloud RF for my towercoverage replacement. I had an issue last weekend and they responded to my email within 5 minutes and mine was an isolated issue. Not their entire site being down for two days like towercoverage.com. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: CBB - Jay Fuller [ par...@cyberbroadband.net ]( mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net ) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:19pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Depends on other competitors out there. We don't answer phones or emails on weekends either - usually. We do respond to outages tho - Original Message - From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? If that is an absolute low I'd love to see how you treat your customers. This is not the days of running a WISP like it was 5 or 10 years ago. In this day it is utterly unacceptable to have an entire sight outage, ignore your phones and emails then only respond when you've been called out publicly. I've been there. It may be uncomfortable but that is reality. Prohibiting your customers from online reviews then applauding your own deplorable service? I don't know what world you live in but with that approach you won't be in business long if at all. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 21, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Steve D [ bigd...@gmail.com ]( mailto:bigd...@gmail.com ) wrote: Personally, I applaud the fact that he fired someone that insulted him and his coworkers. Whether it's in the TOS or not, thank you Dennis for standing up to that behaviour. I may never use your service (Cartography and GIS is a minor hobby of mine) so I can't comment how good or bad it is, but I know the difference between a bad review and someone who is just being rude. Obviously no professionalism on his part in that review I have zero respect for that. It's bad enough when we in this industry have to hear it from customers and take it, but effectively doing it to each other is an absolute low. -Steve D On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, James Howard [ ja...@litewire.net ]( mailto:ja...@litewire.net ) wrote: Dennis, I’m not trying to defend the poster or anything but could you point out where in your Terms that it prohibits what he did? I see your restriction on reviews etc but unless I’m missing something, that doesn’t specify posts or reviews on sites other that [ towercoverage.com ]( http://towercoverage.com ). IANAL of course so maybe it’s implied, but what I read there seems to only apply to actions on your site. James Howard LiteWire Internet Services, Inc. From: Af [mailto:[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:49 AM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF
Re: [AFMUG] is fiber more brittle in cold?
Yeah, it's a bit of a pain to work with in the cold. Since I don't have a splice trailer I usually set up my telco tent and put a propane heater inside to help warm it up a bit before I work with it. On Thursday, January 22, 2015, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this is a dumb question: Is fiber optic cable more brittle in the cold? I was attempting to do a mechanical splice in an interconnect box on a cable between a heated building and an unheated barn. In the heated building I didn't have much problem. In the cold barn (single digits Fahrenheit) I kept snapping the glass when stripping it and broke it off inside the mechanical splice more than once. I also noticed the 250um acrylic coating seemed to stick to the 900um tight buffer, so when I stripped the tight buffer the acrylic would come with itI never saw that before. Is this just because it's cold? It was also dark and I was working in space where I'm wedged between a Brush Hog and the wall. I also might just suck at it.
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP EIRP
Unless it just wasn't certified at that high of Tx power at that particular channel due to OOBE requirements. I think there's a message in the notification drop down that says the Tx powers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:49:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP EIRP Sounds like Cambium needs to fix their firmware... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:46pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Kind of. They have similar PtMP limitations. For PtP, 5.1 can go up to 30 dBm output power into a 23 dBi antenna. Then you start reducing 1 dBm for 1 dBi. 5.8 has no such antenna gain limit. 30 dBm into a 600 dBi antenna is just as fine. The 5250 - 5350 and 5470 - 5725 bands have a 30 dB EIRP no matter what happens. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:43:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP It only appears to apply to the 5.8 band. Am I incorrect in my understanding that the 5.1 band has the same EIRP limitations as 5.8? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:13pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP No. I had this discussion last night off-list. Let me back up, you can't max it out with low-gain antennas. You can compensate the low TX power with higher gain antennas. Unfortunately they don't account for lower gain antennas or wire loss... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:06pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Probably not. These are near future rules, not right now rules. Can you not max out the legal limits with ePMP? Is this why the power is so limited in the US ePMP gear and not UBNT? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:23am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP The new rules don’t prohibit high power operation in 5.8, they limit the out of band emission into 5.4 to such extreme levels that it’s very difficult to get the equipment to pass certification. I wish I could recall exactly what the numbers are but the gist of it was that if you take a currently legal 5.8 radio with a high gain antenna and point it at a TDWR site, the out of band emissions inside the TDWR band can still be high enough to cause an issue. The result being that the FCC imposed much stricter limits on the OOB emissions thus making the equipment either much more expensive or requiring power reductions in the 5730-5850 section of the band. Mark blockquote On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure about that? I thought they were still operating under the old rules for 5.8ghz... everything in 5150-5250 already has to use the new rules (which MImosa does), but my understanding is that the new rules would basically limit 5.8ghz to what 5.1ghz is doing now, and on a Mimosa B5 (integrated) I can set the Tx power to 17db in 5.8ghz, but only 7db in 5.1ghz. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 9:35 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: blockquote The Mimosa B5’s already meet the current spec that the FCC proposed. The problem is that the rules were like using a hammer to break an egg. Rory From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP My worry would be that manufacturers decide the redesign effort, higher prices, and lower performance makes the WISP market not worthwhile and they just walk away and don’t make long range equipment for the 5 GHz band. And decide the money is in small cell WiFi equipment, for the guys who wanted the rules change. The other possible outcome is manufacturers sell equipment authorized for low gain antennas but that can be operated illegally with high gain antennas, leaving WISPs with the choice of going out of business or operating illegally. Kind of a Walter White choice. It’s good to hear the manufacturers are developing a proposal that will hopefully appease the
[AFMUG] Radio Mobile Land Cover Question
If I'm doing primarily 5 GHz and is therefore safe to assume that any tree is a dead signal, any reason to not just set Radio Mobile Land Cover values to 100% density for all forests and woodlands? I'm also not sure on those heights either. 50' trees? Maybe, but I bet you they're 60' - 80' tall. What kind of trees? *shrugs* I'm not an arborist. I'm guessing maples and oaks. The coverage it generated was very optimistic, given that trees exist. I do see those areas flagged as tree areas, it must think it's winter all the time here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
I probably could do that in the middle of the night Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 19:35, CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Just curious ; can you turn the other 2.4 off for 5 minutes and see if your quality improves? - Original Message - From: Craig House To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Yes I'm using a 90° sector and that AP is 180 feet up Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 19:28, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: That noise floor is horrible. I usually don't see it that bad even at 200' in the air. Are you using a sector? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:59pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Yes sorry. Capacity is bad. Quality is good Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 18:57, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Quality? On Jan 22, 2015 7:39 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
The radio for the subscriber unit was in my vehicle I didn't leave it at a customer site today I was only doing testing with it and don't have it out in the field anymore Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 19:15, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Do a link test? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 7:59 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Yes sorry. Capacity is bad. Quality is good Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 18:57, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Quality? On Jan 22, 2015 7:39 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
I would suggest 5ghz. Thats is stupid high for 2.4... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:07pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Yes I'm using a 90° sector and that AP is 180 feet up Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 19:28, John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) wrote: That noise floor is horrible. I usually don't see it that bad even at 200' in the air. Are you using a sector? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Craig House [ cr...@totalhighspeed.net ]( mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:59pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Yes sorry. Capacity is bad. Quality is good Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 18:57, Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) wrote: Quality? On Jan 22, 2015 7:39 PM, Craig House [ cr...@totalhighspeed.net ]( mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net ) wrote: Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal From: Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( mailto:af...@ics-il.net ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions [ http://www.ics-il.com ]( http://www.ics-il.com ) [ ]( https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL )[ ]( https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions )[ ]( https://twitter.com/ICSIL ) From: Craig House [ cr...@totalhighspeed.net ]( mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House [ cr...@totalhighspeed.net ]( mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net ) wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile Land Cover Question
I have amazed how 5Ghz works through some trees...how high are your APs on towers? How high are your CPEs? Jaime Solorza On Jan 22, 2015 6:56 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: If I'm doing primarily 5 GHz and is therefore safe to assume that any tree is a dead signal, any reason to not just set Radio Mobile Land Cover values to 100% density for all forests and woodlands? I'm also not sure on those heights either. 50' trees? Maybe, but I bet you they're 60' - 80' tall. What kind of trees? *shrugs* I'm not an arborist. I'm guessing maples and oaks. The coverage it generated was very optimistic, given that trees exist. I do see those areas flagged as tree areas, it must think it's winter all the time here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Cant use 5Ghz All my BH links are in 5ghz and I cant get though trees with 5ghz. 90% of my customer base is behind trees. This is not the tower I plan on leaving it on. But I dont understand why the noise floor would be that high here. It is 3 miles from any town and sits in the middle of nothing. Cow pastures all around. Unless the cows are carrying wireless routers?? - Original Message - From: John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:12:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee I would suggest 5ghz. Thats is stupid high for 2.4... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:07pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Yes I'm using a 90° sector and that AP is 180 feet up Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 19:28, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: That noise floor is horrible. I usually don't see it that bad even at 200' in the air. Are you using a sector? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:59pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Yes sorry. Capacity is bad. Quality is good Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 18:57, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Quality? On Jan 22, 2015 7:39 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: blockquote Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: blockquote I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone /blockquote /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile Land Cover Question
In RM I set it to 4 meters. I set the APs anywhere from 10 meters to 60 meters. Most of the areas are mature trees that would be twice as tall as any AP would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:20:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile Land Cover Question I have amazed how 5Ghz works through some trees...how high are your APs on towers? How high are your CPEs? Jaime Solorza On Jan 22, 2015 6:56 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: If I'm doing primarily 5 GHz and is therefore safe to assume that any tree is a dead signal, any reason to not just set Radio Mobile Land Cover values to 100% density for all forests and woodlands? I'm also not sure on those heights either. 50' trees? Maybe, but I bet you they're 60' - 80' tall. What kind of trees? *shrugs* I'm not an arborist. I'm guessing maples and oaks. The coverage it generated was very optimistic, given that trees exist. I do see those areas flagged as tree areas, it must think it's winter all the time here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile Land Cover Question
Yikes tough Jaime Solorza On Jan 22, 2015 7:20 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I have amazed how 5Ghz works through some trees...how high are your APs on towers? How high are your CPEs? Jaime Solorza On Jan 22, 2015 6:56 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: If I'm doing primarily 5 GHz and is therefore safe to assume that any tree is a dead signal, any reason to not just set Radio Mobile Land Cover values to 100% density for all forests and woodlands? I'm also not sure on those heights either. 50' trees? Maybe, but I bet you they're 60' - 80' tall. What kind of trees? *shrugs* I'm not an arborist. I'm guessing maples and oaks. The coverage it generated was very optimistic, given that trees exist. I do see those areas flagged as tree areas, it must think it's winter all the time here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL
Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile Land Cover Question
I'd like to note that I'm not trying to cover the treed areas, only want to adjust the land cover parameters to accurately reflect real life. I can't know what everything is everywhere. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:30:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile Land Cover Question In RM I set it to 4 meters. I set the APs anywhere from 10 meters to 60 meters. Most of the areas are mature trees that would be twice as tall as any AP would be. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:20:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Radio Mobile Land Cover Question I have amazed how 5Ghz works through some trees...how high are your APs on towers? How high are your CPEs? Jaime Solorza On Jan 22, 2015 6:56 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: If I'm doing primarily 5 GHz and is therefore safe to assume that any tree is a dead signal, any reason to not just set Radio Mobile Land Cover values to 100% density for all forests and woodlands? I'm also not sure on those heights either. 50' trees? Maybe, but I bet you they're 60' - 80' tall. What kind of trees? *shrugs* I'm not an arborist. I'm guessing maples and oaks. The coverage it generated was very optimistic, given that trees exist. I do see those areas flagged as tree areas, it must think it's winter all the time here. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP EIRP
Legally anyway lol. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:39pm To: af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP EIRP Yes, that is the case - it's only certified for 20dbm txpower due to the OOBE requirements in 5.1, I'm not aware of anything that can actually do 53db EIRP in 5150-5250 at this point. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( mailto:af...@ics-il.net ) wrote: Unless it just wasn't certified at that high of Tx power at that particular channel due to OOBE requirements. I think there's a message in the notification drop down that says the Tx powers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions [ http://www.ics-il.com ]( http://www.ics-il.com ) [ ]( https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL )[ ]( https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions )[ ]( https://twitter.com/ICSIL ) From: John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:49:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP EIRP Sounds like Cambium needs to fix their firmware... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell [ (410) 708-1937 ]( tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 ) -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( mailto:af...@ics-il.net ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:46pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Kind of. They have similar PtMP limitations. For PtP, 5.1 can go up to 30 dBm output power into a 23 dBi antenna. Then you start reducing 1 dBm for 1 dBi. 5.8 has no such antenna gain limit. 30 dBm into a 600 dBi antenna is just as fine. The 5250 - 5350 and 5470 - 5725 bands have a 30 dB EIRP no matter what happens. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions [ http://www.ics-il.com ]( http://www.ics-il.com ) [ ]( https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL )[ ]( https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions )[ ]( https://twitter.com/ICSIL ) From: John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:43:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP It only appears to apply to the 5.8 band. Am I incorrect in my understanding that the 5.1 band has the same EIRP limitations as 5.8? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell [ (410) 708-1937 ]( tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 ) -Original Message- From: John Woodfield [ john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:13pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP No. I had this discussion last night off-list. Let me back up, you can't max it out with low-gain antennas. You can compensate the low TX power with higher gain antennas. Unfortunately they don't account for lower gain antennas or wire loss... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell [ (410) 708-1937 ]( tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 ) -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett [ dmmoff...@gmail.com ]( mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:06pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Probably not. These are near future rules, not right now rules. Can you not max out the legal limits with ePMP? Is this why the power is so limited in the US ePMP gear and not UBNT? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell [ (410) 708-1937 ]( tel:%28410%29%20708-1937 ) -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh [ m...@amplex.net ]( mailto:m...@amplex.net ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:23am To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP The new rules don’t prohibit high power operation in 5.8, they limit the out of band emission into 5.4 to such extreme levels that it’s very difficult to get the equipment to pass certification. I wish I could recall exactly what the numbers are but the gist of it was that if you take a currently legal 5.8 radio with a high gain antenna and point it at a TDWR site, the out of band emissions inside the TDWR band can still be high enough to cause an issue. The result being that the FCC imposed much stricter limits on the OOB emissions thus making the equipment either much more expensive or requiring power reductions in the 5730-5850
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP EIRP
ha... yeah, it's simple enough to tell a ubnt radio you have a 1dbi antenna and crank it all the way up... and I'm sure it happens a lot, but they're actually only certified for 36db EIRP in 5.1, as far as I can tell - so ePMP is actually quite a bit better there. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 8:43 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: Legally anyway lol. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:39pm To: af af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP EIRP Yes, that is the case - it's only certified for 20dbm txpower due to the OOBE requirements in 5.1, I'm not aware of anything that can actually do 53db EIRP in 5150-5250 at this point. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:55 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Unless it just wasn't certified at that high of Tx power at that particular channel due to OOBE requirements. I think there's a message in the notification drop down that says the Tx powers. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:49:26 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium ePMP EIRP Sounds like Cambium needs to fix their firmware... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:46pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Kind of. They have similar PtMP limitations. For PtP, 5.1 can go up to 30 dBm output power into a 23 dBi antenna. Then you start reducing 1 dBm for 1 dBi. 5.8 has no such antenna gain limit. 30 dBm into a 600 dBi antenna is just as fine. The 5250 - 5350 and 5470 - 5725 bands have a 30 dB EIRP no matter what happens. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:43:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP It only appears to apply to the 5.8 band. Am I incorrect in my understanding that the 5.1 band has the same EIRP limitations as 5.8? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:13pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP No. I had this discussion last night off-list. Let me back up, you can't max it out with low-gain antennas. You can compensate the low TX power with higher gain antennas. Unfortunately they don't account for lower gain antennas or wire loss... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:06pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP Probably not. These are near future rules, not right now rules. Can you not max out the legal limits with ePMP? Is this why the power is so limited in the US ePMP gear and not UBNT? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Mark Radabaugh m...@amplex.net m...@amplex.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:23am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the future of being an ISP The new rules don’t prohibit high power operation in 5.8, they limit the out of band emission into 5.4 to such extreme levels that it’s very difficult to get the equipment to pass certification. I wish I could recall exactly what the numbers are but the gist of it was that if you take a currently legal 5.8 radio with a high gain antenna and point it at a TDWR site, the out of band emissions inside the TDWR band can still be high enough to cause an issue. The result being that the FCC imposed much stricter limits on the OOB emissions thus making the equipment either much more expensive or requiring power reductions in the 5730-5850 section of the band. Mark On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Are you sure about that? I thought they were still operating under the old rules for 5.8ghz... everything in 5150-5250 already has to use the new rules (which MImosa does), but my
Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ?
I don't remember the smiley face? - Original Message - From: Jason McKemie To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I QUIT!!! :-) On Thursday, January 22, 2015, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Mud, covered with mud Jamie Curtis... Remember the feud on Part-15 about 10 years ago. Two wisps in the Chicago area. Dirty deeds were alleged. Cannot remember the parties. Michael may have been one of them. I think amps were involved. Let’s revive that thread! From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I will in contrast to previously posted messages I'm happy with the service for my uses. My calls and emails are answered regularly and timely enough to satisfy my needs. Sorry you had a bad experience, but you make yourself look very unprofessional with your links and posts, especially with your choice of words. Let's just agree to disagree and move on. On Jan 22, 2015 12:18 PM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Maybe Chuck needs to break out the fire hose and wash off all the mud. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I don't want to see either of them covered in mud. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:10:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Apparently nobody wants the other to guy to have the last word. You've both been slinging mud, you're both now covered in mud. Please stop now. Did you contact us prior to 4:54pm on Saturday, nope, that is the first e-mail we got from you... We were in the office and took many calls on the 2nd, , so don’t know what number you called, but it wasn’t us! So, guess there is plenty of fault to go around. As far as your new provider, I won’t speak bad/good about someone else’s product. If someone wishes to know the differences, please contact us off-list or via our phone number listed below. I’m sure they offer a great product for you. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:54 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? I checked several ISP's sites. All of their coverage maps were non-fuctional. Was your website itself down? No. Was the product you charge for non-functional? Absolutely. Did you respond prior to my rant on DSLR? No. Did you fix it prior to that post after it being down for a day? No. Did you answer your phones at any time on a Friday? No. Clear enough? I have a new company that charges less money and responds very quickly to issues. I suggest you move on, I sure have. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:49am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? John, the “entire site” was not down. Was there an issue, yes, was it fixed THAT WEEKEND, yes. You outright lies tell everyone a great deal about you and your business. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of John Woodfield Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? We answer phones and emails on the weekend. I can say, I am working with Cloud RF for my towercoverage replacement. I had an issue last weekend and they responded to my email within 5 minutes and mine was an isolated issue. Not their entire site being down for two days like towercoverage.com. John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: CBB - Jay Fuller par...@cyberbroadband.net Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 8:19pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF frequency mapping program ? Depends on other competitors out there. We don't answer phones or emails on weekends either - usually. We do
Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats
I have a perl script combined with a mysql database that uses the MT api to get the usage data and store in a DB. It checks for resets as well so it doesn't set the clock back if the power goes out or you upgrade your router. You could put it on a cron job and run it as often as you like. Cameron On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 6:00 PM, Timothy D. McNabb t...@velociter.net wrote: Ya we’re doing that now on PPPoE clients. The PPPoE server sends interm accounting at the interval specified. However what I am looking specifically for non-PPPoE statically-assigned clients. There are several different types of scripts spread across the web ad nauseam but nothing that gives me what I’m looking for. I’ve also been investigating TrafficFlow but parsing that data could be a coders nightmare (or not, all I know is my eyes bleed looking at it). Butch – looking to catalog upload and download stats per customer IP (non-PPPoE). Passthroughs work as planned but of course you have two fields (Src Address and Dst Address). I’m not interested in what websites they visited (ie TrafficFlow url) so much as the amount of data used. If we can get Up/Down then of course we can create a cumulative field as well. -Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats I don't exactly have an answer.but maybe a direction to look.� MT has RADIUS support for DHCP.� The intent is to authenticate based on the DHCP client's MAC address.does that support RADIUS accounting?� If so then pair that with FreeRADIUS and I think you can get usage stats into SQL that way. Was wondering if anyone had come up with a nifty-keeno way to export usage counters to a SQL database? Trying not to re-invent the wheel, just modify it with 22�s on spinners or something fancy. Currently mapping that information through mangle rules, however Passthroughs are an option as well. � -Tim �
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Lots of 2.4 stuff (whole farm WiFi) sold in the back of farm magazines. From: Craig House Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Cant use 5Ghz All my BH links are in 5ghz and I cant get though trees with 5ghz. 90% of my customer base is behind trees. This is not the tower I plan on leaving it on. But I dont understand why the noise floor would be that high here. It is 3 miles from any town and sits in the middle of nothing. Cow pastures all around. Unless the cows are carrying wireless routers?? From: John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:12:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee I would suggest 5ghz. Thats is stupid high for 2.4... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:07pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Yes I'm using a 90° sector and that AP is 180 feet up Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 19:28, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: That noise floor is horrible. I usually don't see it that bad even at 200' in the air. Are you using a sector? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:59pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Yes sorry. Capacity is bad. Quality is good Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 18:57, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Quality? On Jan 22, 2015 7:39 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal -- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] WBMFG quality going up! Buy buy buy!
Note these are formed heavy sheet metal and you can’t just crank a clamp made for a round pipe down on them. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 8:54 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WBMFG quality going up! Buy buy buy! Yes! that could be very useful. On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: How about MTOW or pipe-to-pipe-clamp variants to attach to the L and U channels we find on some grain legs, both vertical and horizontal, could also be used to attach pipes to various handrails. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WBMFG quality going up! Buy buy buy! Wisp boxes. I like that. Built in DIN. On Jan 22, 2015 7:49 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: How about larger pipes on the mounts? Like a 2-3? Sector Frames? I know you do injection molding for your antennas, have you ever thought about doing NEMA style boxes? Just some ideas to throw around... Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Thanks, wish I could take total credit. The quality of the hot dip galvanize job is a bit out of our hands. The amount of dross on the pot, temperature of the day, mix of zinc and other things as well as freshness of the pickling tank and pickling time all go into the quality of the galvanization and we farm that out to a local company. We have been working on the fit and inspection. I appreciate the note, we do try. And we are always up for making other hot dipped tower products. Anyone want us to add to the product line, let me know and I will see if I can improve on the price or performance on any other product out in the world. I prefer to do custom stuff nobody else does, but I am not above knocking off something if I can offer something in the way of design improvement or cost reduction. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 1:25 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] WBMFG quality going up! Buy buy buy! Props to WB for improving their MTOWs. Most notably the cleaner galvanizing and the hardware fitting together perfectly. Not a huge difference since these products have already been great, but the quality bonus is noticeable and appreciated! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] SRTM data block download
I need overseas maps. There is a way to download them by range though. I’ll try that if I can’t get RM download them automatically. Thanks. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SRTM data block download I'm pretty sure the is link on the RM sites to get them all in one big zip file. http://www.cplus.org/rmw/dataen.html has all the mirrors. If those don't work, I can set you up to get them from me. Cameron On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 11:35 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I wanted the HGT files. I can bring up my old server this weekend and do it, just though it would be easier to grab online. What’s weird is that RM is grabbing some off internet and won’t grab others. If I can’t find them Cameron, then I will appreciate the copy. Thank you. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:32 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SRTM data block download Its all on the RM mirror sites.. just tell it to download and go. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.netmailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.nethttp://www.linktechs.net From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:21 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SRTM data block download Most of the download sites limit you to a few per download...like 10. Then you request 10 more, etc. What format are you looking for? Do you need SRTM zips, raw DEMs or the Radio Mobile hgt files? I do have all the RM files on a server and can give you access if you need them. Cameron On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Like for RM? He had mirrors for it. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 10:49 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net wrote: Does anyone know where I can download the complete SRTM database download? I didn’t move it to my new server so it’s going to take a few days to get at it. I’m looking for the 1 Arc-sec copy. If not, how about some software that can do a block download. Rory Conaway Triad Wireless 4226 S. 37th Street Phoenix, Az. 85040 602-426-0542tel:602-426-0542 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net
Re: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer!
Yepone slip...adios ese! ..btw. is that San Francisco? Jaime Solorza On Jan 22, 2015 10:26 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Seriously, Siklu posted this? What were they thinking? Can’t tell what he is standing on, but it looks like he should have fall protection as well. *From:* Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer! The guy is cooking his …. From article: http://www.siklu.com/isps/one-urban-isp-chose-siklu-mmw-connectivity/ photo Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] RADWIN Training at Animal Farm, Salt Lake City, Feb 3rd, 2015
Not too late. From: Steve D Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:15 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RADWIN Training at Animal Farm, Salt Lake City, Feb 3rd,2015 Damn... knowing this was happening would have been nudge that probably would have had me going this year. :( -Steve D On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: View this email in your browser Upcoming Training at Animal Farm We would like to invite you to our upcoming RADWIN Training covering on our latest disruptive offerings for access and backhaul. The training will be 1/2 day course and will focus on RADWIN 5000 JET beamforming Point-to-Multipoint (PtMP) and RADWIN 2000 750 Mbps Point-to-Point wireless solutions. Course Outline a.. Live demo and discussion: RADWIN 5000 including new cost-effective high-gain Subscriber units. b.. RADWIN 5000 JET beamforming platform - highlights c.. RADWIN 2000 D+ platform for high capacity backhaul - highlights d.. Review RADWIN EMS /NMS functionalities Salt Lake City, Feb 3 2pm to 6pm Location Ramada Salt Lake City North Temple 1659 west north temple, Salt Lake city, UT 84116 tel. (801) 533-9000 Map and Directions CLICK HERE TO REGISTER Space is limited so reserve your seats as soon as possible To be removed from our mailing list go here RADWIN, 27 Habarzel St. , Tel Aviv, 6971039, Israel, +972 3 766 2900 Copyrights © all rights reserved To be removed from our mailing list click here
Re: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer!
Yep. Note the Transamerica tower in the background (tall pyramid
building). Only building like that on the planet.
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On 1/22/2015 3:23 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Yepone slip...adios ese! ..btw. is that San Francisco?
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
Yes and no Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 22, 2015, at 5:45 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Didn’t Motorola buy NextNet? Wait, is that where the 320 came from? From: TJ Troutmailto:t...@voltbb.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:37 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Old ones were next net On Jan 22, 2015 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Searching on eBay, it looks like a lot of the CPE was Motorola. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:29 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Wimax. It was the competitor to LTE. Sprint vs Verizon. Guess who won =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.commailto:d...@wyoming.com wrote: Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats
On 01/22/2015 05:50 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: I don't exactly have an answer.but maybe a direction to look.� MT has RADIUS support for DHCP.� The intent is to authenticate based on the DHCP client's MAC address.does that support RADIUS accounting?� If so then pair that with FreeRADIUS and I think you can get usage stats into SQL that way. There is no accounting data for DHCP, either direct OR via RADIUS. -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
[AFMUG] EZ-RJ45 and Outdoor rated cable
Do the EZ-RJ45 rj45's and strain reliefs work with outdoor type cable? Not the heavy duty kind, just UV rated. I'm guessing yes because it shouldn't be much more in diameter. What I really want is someone to sell me Cat6 outdoor rated jumper cables with strain relief for about $2-$4 a piece in 3', 6' and 12' range. But I still can't find that. So I'm down to ordering jars of EZ-RJ45 Cat6 ends, compatible strain reliefs and 1000' spool of cat6 outdoor UV only cable. Speaking of which, I can't seem to find outdoor UV Cat6 cable without the burial grade bulk. I want outdoor rated UV cat6 with drygel only.
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
They're both openwrt Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 7:03 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I guess I've never used a UBNT spec analyzer tools -- *From: *Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:02:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Much like UBNT Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
[AFMUG] Epmp newbee
I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] RADWIN Training at Animal Farm, Salt Lake City, Feb 3rd, 2015
Damn... knowing this was happening would have been nudge that probably would have had me going this year. :( -Steve D On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: View this email in your browser http://trailer.web-view.net/Show/0X9F8737C2BC63A4A2E59875EC25D0B357F0D4A8C7D2298DC817C2E9D487D407B82B18D517183476B3.htm [image: RADWIN_logo_...] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X92242B4B5CB01CAAB7FE893CE15C496B910099A5A1E8D09B571028ED8EBB2202AD7E88D48907FA4268E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm *Upcoming Training at Animal Farm * *We would like to invite you to our upcoming RADWIN Training covering on our latest disruptive offerings for access and backhaul.* The training will be 1/2 day course and will focus on RADWIN 5000 JET beamforming Point-to-Multipoint (PtMP) and RADWIN 2000 750 Mbps Point-to-Point wireless solutions. *Course Outline* - Live demo and discussion: RADWIN 5000 including new cost-effective high-gain Subscriber units. - RADWIN 5000 JET beamforming platform - highlights - RADWIN 2000 D+ platform for high capacity backhaul - highlights - Review RADWIN EMS /NMS functionalities *Salt Lake City, Feb 3* 2pm to 6pm *Location* Ramada Salt Lake City North Temple 1659 west north temple, Salt Lake city, UT 84116 tel. (801) 533-9000 *Map and Directions http://www.saltlakecityramada.com/Directions-Salt-Lake-Inn-Airport-Salt-Lake-City-Utah.php* *CLICK HERE TO REGISTER* http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X8122C37A056BF3CD4F2F1E193168088F80660C77FBAFBEB2EEA3522E4522B3A71B8678F7B18BD11E68E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm *Space is limited so reserve your seats as soon as possible* [image: Facebook] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X59647ED21D4EEADBF7AB9F56FD5895A6A15BC62C5593124017AE6FE8E90B38EBB6A6F9A3D6CFF70C68E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm [image: Twitter] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X8E9FD9D919BF7D8C74823A7829B75FECAA92ED6E4CF6A8E1447D2AF1D819FFC7EB4105551AEEB74D68E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm [image: LinkedIn] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0XA35F43CD26981588324138BF3A2646AAE4FACAF485D59A5E1CD49B7195B6B195134739BADA2868E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm [image: YouTube] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0XA625F7FD385D33DF60BA85DB605EABE28639A51FD3489573A46F59617F517D3B2801F58D89D0BA7A68E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm To be removed from our mailing list go here http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X9F11D076913A8686D8C65C726C74116625E2B1BE4BC80B20D9DE395091AEB0E68A27DF8331B5AAF668E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm RADWIN, 27 Habarzel St. , Tel Aviv, 6971039, Israel, +972 3 766 2900 Copyrights © all rights reserved To be removed from our mailing list click here http://www.web-view.net/Out_0X9F8737C2BC63A4A2E59875EC25D0B357F0D4A8C7D2298DC817C2E9D487D407B82B18D517183476B3.htm
Re: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer!
Oh honey, can’t you see that large rainbow colored air bag below to catch him if he falls... From: Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:23 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer! Yepone slip...adios ese! ..btw. is that San Francisco? Jaime Solorza On Jan 22, 2015 10:26 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Seriously, Siklu posted this? What were they thinking? Can’t tell what he is standing on, but it looks like he should have fall protection as well. From: Gino Villarini Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:46 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer! The guy is cooking his …. From article: http://www.siklu.com/isps/one-urban-isp-chose-siklu-mmw-connectivity/ photo Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
I cant find any option that allows it uner Monitor Network . I think you may be right that it only works in WIFI mode not TDD but I cant find where to turn it back into WIFI mode now that it is in TDD? There is Ubnt 2.4 and Cambium 2.4 on this same tower but they are on 2457 and 2442. The EPMP is on 2412. Very rural area so I doubt there is that much noise. I can turn the AP into SPectrum analizer mode and see. I'll report back - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats
I don't exactly have an answer.but maybe a direction to look. MT has RADIUS support for DHCP. The intent is to authenticate based on the DHCP client's MAC address.does that support RADIUS accounting? If so then pair that with FreeRADIUS and I think you can get usage stats into SQL that way. Was wondering if anyone had come up with a nifty-keeno way to export usage counters to a SQL database? Trying not to re-invent the wheel, just modify it with 22�s on spinners or something fancy. Currently mapping that information through mangle rules, however Passthroughs are an option as well. -Tim
Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats
On 01/22/2015 05:47 PM, Timothy D. McNabb wrote: Was wondering if anyone had come up with a nifty-keeno way to export usage counters to a SQL database? Trying not to re-invent the wheel, just modify it with 22�s on spinners or something fancy. Currently mapping that information through mangle rules, however Passthroughs are an option as well. Depends on which usage stat you are looking for and how you want to collect the data. What data are you wanting to collect? -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
On 1/22/15 13:27, Dan Petermann wrote: Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)? All the stuff at a site I'm on that also has Clearwire on it is Redline and Dragonwave. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer!
On 1/22/15 15:28, Bill Prince wrote: Yep. Note the Transamerica tower in the background (tall pyramid building). Only building like that on the planet. And Alcatraz and the Golden Gate Bridge. ~Seth
Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats
Ya we're doing that now on PPPoE clients. The PPPoE server sends interm accounting at the interval specified. However what I am looking specifically for non-PPPoE statically-assigned clients. There are several different types of scripts spread across the web ad nauseam but nothing that gives me what I'm looking for. I've also been investigating TrafficFlow but parsing that data could be a coders nightmare (or not, all I know is my eyes bleed looking at it). Butch - looking to catalog upload and download stats per customer IP (non-PPPoE). Passthroughs work as planned but of course you have two fields (Src Address and Dst Address). I'm not interested in what websites they visited (ie TrafficFlow url) so much as the amount of data used. If we can get Up/Down then of course we can create a cumulative field as well. -Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - MT usage stats I don't exactly have an answer.but maybe a direction to look.� MT has RADIUS support for DHCP.� The intent is to authenticate based on the DHCP client's MAC address.does that support RADIUS accounting?� If so then pair that with FreeRADIUS and I think you can get usage stats into SQL that way. Was wondering if anyone had come up with a nifty-keeno way to export usage counters to a SQL database? Trying not to re-invent the wheel, just modify it with 22�s on spinners or something fancy. Currently mapping that information through mangle rules, however Passthroughs are an option as well. � -Tim �
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Config radio to switch modes Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:51 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I cant find any option that allows it uner Monitor Network . I think you may be right that it only works in WIFI mode not TDD but I cant find where to turn it back into WIFI mode now that it is in TDD? There is Ubnt 2.4 and Cambium 2.4 on this same tower but they are on 2457 and 2442. The EPMP is on 2412. Very rural area so I doubt there is that much noise. I can turn the AP into SPectrum analizer mode and see. I'll report back -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
I guess I've never used a UBNT spec analyzer tools - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:02:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Much like UBNT Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: blockquote I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] RADWIN Training at Animal Farm, Salt Lake City, Feb 3rd, 2015
Haha... never hurts to put it on the bosses desk and try! -Steve D On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Not too late. *From:* Steve D bigd...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:15 PM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RADWIN Training at Animal Farm, Salt Lake City, Feb 3rd,2015 Damn... knowing this was happening would have been nudge that probably would have had me going this year. :( -Steve D On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 10:38 AM, Traci tr...@wbmfg.com wrote: View this email in your browser http://trailer.web-view.net/Show/0X9F8737C2BC63A4A2E59875EC25D0B357F0D4A8C7D2298DC817C2E9D487D407B82B18D517183476B3.htm [image: RADWIN_logo_...] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X92242B4B5CB01CAAB7FE893CE15C496B910099A5A1E8D09B571028ED8EBB2202AD7E88D48907FA4268E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm *Upcoming Training at Animal Farm * *We would like to invite you to our upcoming RADWIN Training covering on our latest disruptive offerings for access and backhaul.* The training will be 1/2 day course and will focus on RADWIN 5000 JET beamforming Point-to-Multipoint (PtMP) and RADWIN 2000 750 Mbps Point-to-Point wireless solutions. *Course Outline* - Live demo and discussion: RADWIN 5000 including new cost-effective high-gain Subscriber units. - RADWIN 5000 JET beamforming platform - highlights - RADWIN 2000 D+ platform for high capacity backhaul - highlights - Review RADWIN EMS /NMS functionalities *Salt Lake City, Feb 3* 2pm to 6pm *Location* Ramada Salt Lake City North Temple 1659 west north temple, Salt Lake city, UT 84116 tel. (801) 533-9000 %28801%29%20533-9000 *Map and Directions http://www.saltlakecityramada.com/Directions-Salt-Lake-Inn-Airport-Salt-Lake-City-Utah.php* *CLICK HERE TO REGISTER* http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X8122C37A056BF3CD4F2F1E193168088F80660C77FBAFBEB2EEA3522E4522B3A71B8678F7B18BD11E68E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm *Space is limited so reserve your seats as soon as possible* [image: Facebook] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X59647ED21D4EEADBF7AB9F56FD5895A6A15BC62C5593124017AE6FE8E90B38EBB6A6F9A3D6CFF70C68E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm [image: Twitter] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X8E9FD9D919BF7D8C74823A7829B75FECAA92ED6E4CF6A8E1447D2AF1D819FFC7EB4105551AEEB74D68E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm [image: LinkedIn] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0XA35F43CD26981588324138BF3A2646AAE4FACAF485D59A5E1CD49B7195B6B195134739BADA2868E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm [image: YouTube] http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0XA625F7FD385D33DF60BA85DB605EABE28639A51FD3489573A46F59617F517D3B2801F58D89D0BA7A68E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm To be removed from our mailing list go here http://trailer.web-view.net/Links/0X9F11D076913A8686D8C65C726C74116625E2B1BE4BC80B20D9DE395091AEB0E68A27DF8331B5AAF668E3A7624641BD2D0C57A7935F5EDA0204B1BA32ED2B056ACA7CC5A36F3EAB7A.htm RADWIN, 27 Habarzel St. , Tel Aviv, 6971039, Israel, +972 3 766 2900 Copyrights © all rights reserved To be removed from our mailing list click here http://www.web-view.net/Out_0X9F8737C2BC63A4A2E59875EC25D0B357F0D4A8C7D2298DC817C2E9D487D407B82B18D517183476B3.htm
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire
Motorola for both Access Network (AP/BS) and ASN-Gateway. And a mix of Redback (now Ericsson) and Starent (now Cisco) for the Home Agent, AAA etc. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Huawei was some of it. I'm not sure what else was used. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [Image removed by sender.]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[Image removed by sender.]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[Image removed by sender.]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[Image removed by sender.]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Dan Petermann d...@wyoming.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:27:47 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Clearwire Does anyone know what radios clearwire uses(d)?
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Much like UBNT Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Jan 22, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.netmailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.netmailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Where? Do you mean from TDD to Wifi? I cant seem to find that option - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:00:25 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Config radio to switch modes Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:51 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I cant find any option that allows it uner Monitor Network . I think you may be right that it only works in WIFI mode not TDD but I cant find where to turn it back into WIFI mode now that it is in TDD? There is Ubnt 2.4 and Cambium 2.4 on this same tower but they are on 2457 and 2442. The EPMP is on 2412. Very rural area so I doubt there is that much noise. I can turn the AP into SPectrum analizer mode and see. I'll report back From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: blockquote I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] WBMFG quality going up! Buy buy buy!
How about larger pipes on the mounts? Like a 2-3? Sector Frames? I know you do injection molding for your antennas, have you ever thought about doing NEMA style boxes? Just some ideas to throw around... Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 4:14 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Thanks, wish I could take total credit. The quality of the hot dip galvanize job is a bit out of our hands. The amount of dross on the pot, temperature of the day, mix of zinc and other things as well as freshness of the pickling tank and pickling time all go into the quality of the galvanization and we farm that out to a local company. We have been working on the fit and inspection. I appreciate the note, we do try. And we are always up for making other hot dipped tower products. Anyone want us to add to the product line, let me know and I will see if I can improve on the price or performance on any other product out in the world. I prefer to do custom stuff nobody else does, but I am not above knocking off something if I can offer something in the way of design improvement or cost reduction. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 1:25 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] WBMFG quality going up! Buy buy buy! Props to WB for improving their MTOWs. Most notably the cleaner galvanizing and the hardware fitting together perfectly. Not a huge difference since these products have already been great, but the quality bonus is noticeable and appreciated! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Quality? On Jan 22, 2015 7:39 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer!
Well I haven't been called honey in a while...I will take it...pot smoke cloud and smog will cushion his fall Jaime Solorza On Jan 22, 2015 4:30 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Oh honey, can’t you see that large rainbow colored air bag below to catch him if he falls... *From:* Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 4:23 PM *To:* Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer! Yepone slip...adios ese! ..btw. is that San Francisco? Jaime Solorza On Jan 22, 2015 10:26 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Seriously, Siklu posted this? What were they thinking? Can’t tell what he is standing on, but it looks like he should have fall protection as well. *From:* Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:46 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: I don't want to be this installer! The guy is cooking his …. From article: http://www.siklu.com/isps/one-urban-isp-chose-siklu-mmw-connectivity/ photo Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Do a link test? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 7:59 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Yes sorry. Capacity is bad. Quality is good Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 18:57, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Quality? On Jan 22, 2015 7:39 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal -- *From: *Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP range
5.1ghz with the TX power limitations in the US? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:33pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP range 70 in my example. On Jan 22, 2015 12:30 PM, Paul McCall [ pa...@pdmnet.net ]( mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net ) wrote: What signal level Josh? From: Af [mailto:[ af-boun...@afmug.com ]( mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com )] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:48 AM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP range 7 miles easy with 90* and force110 in 5.1. On Jan 22, 2015 11:32 AM, Rex-List Account [ xorex63l...@gmail.com ]( mailto:xorex63l...@gmail.com ) wrote: What kind of range are you getting with ePMP gear on the Canopy 120 degree sectors? And with what kind of antenna on the customer end? Integrated, Force110, reflector dish? Thanks in advance. Rex
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP range
Yup Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 8:17 PM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: 5.1ghz with the TX power limitations in the US? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:33pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP range 70 in my example. On Jan 22, 2015 12:30 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: What signal level Josh? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:48 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP range 7 miles easy with 90* and force110 in 5.1. On Jan 22, 2015 11:32 AM, Rex-List Account xorex63l...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of range are you getting with ePMP gear on the Canopy 120 degree sectors? And with what kind of antenna on the customer end? Integrated, Force110, reflector dish? Thanks in advance. Rex
Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis
Not to beat it to death but I'm looking at supposedly having the ability of putting 75 customers on an AP, any cost difference to go sectorized seems foolish if I am looking at a maximum of 15 customers in these instances. Are the ePMP 120 deg sectors really 120 or are they more like the 90 degree of the 120 degree Ubiquiti? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:10pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis Also You can start with non gps radios (3 120 deg sectors $750 aprox total) them move to gps sync as needed Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Ken Hohhof [ af...@kwisp.com ]( mailto:af...@kwisp.com ) Reply-To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:58 PM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis I have 2 towers with 450 and an omni for that reason. At the lower price point of ePMP equipment, I think you might be able to justify sectors at 15 subs. Depends on ARPU and whether the additional range would increase the subscriber count. With the ability to GPS sync, you only need 2x the spectrum for 4x the capacity. From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:44 AM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis Same thing here in terms of range. ePMP with Omni = 2-3 miles. It works for low range areas but its tough to justify sectorizing with 15 customers on a tower... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof [ af...@kwisp.com ]( mailto:af...@kwisp.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:08pm To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis I think that’s unlikely. The highest you usually see in a 90 degree sector is maybe 17-18 dBi. What you gain in horizontal coverage, you give up in either gain or vertical beamwidth, and you really don’t want narrower vertical than the 17 dBi sectors. So for 4x the horizontal coverage, you would expect to give up about 6 dB of gain, so 13 dBi is already impressive. But it is also important to look at the pattern for an omni, some of them have 3 dB or more of variation with azimuth, so an 11 dBi antenna with a nice circular pattern might be just as good as a 13 dBi with an ugly pattern. Different models may also have electrical downtilt, maybe null fill although that seems hard to find in 5 GHz omnis. In general I have not been impressed with any of the 5 GHz dual pol omnis I have tried, they work, but range is nothing to write home about. From: [ John Woodfield ]( mailto:john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:16 AM To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Subject: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis Does anyone make a 5ghz dual-pol omni with higher gain than 13dbi? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi [ http://www.delmarvawifi.com ]( http://www.delmarvawifi.com ) cell (410) 708-1937
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
That noise floor is horrible. I usually don't see it that bad even at 200' in the air. Are you using a sector? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:59pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Yes sorry. Capacity is bad. Quality is good Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2015, at 18:57, Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) wrote: Quality? On Jan 22, 2015 7:39 PM, Craig House [ cr...@totalhighspeed.net ]( mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net ) wrote: Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal From: Mike Hammett [ af...@ics-il.net ]( mailto:af...@ics-il.net ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions [ http://www.ics-il.com ]( http://www.ics-il.com ) [ ]( https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL )[ ]( https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb )[ ]( https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions )[ ]( https://twitter.com/ICSIL ) From: Craig House [ cr...@totalhighspeed.net ]( mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? From: Josh Luthman [ j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ]( mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com ) To: [ af@afmug.com ]( mailto:af@afmug.com ) Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: [ 937-552-2340 ]( tel:937-552-2340 ) Direct: [ 937-552-2343 ]( tel:937-552-2343 ) 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House [ cr...@totalhighspeed.net ]( mailto:cr...@totalhighspeed.net ) wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] is fiber more brittle in cold?
Yes. Regards, Chuck On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe this is a dumb question: Is fiber optic cable more brittle in the cold? I was attempting to do a mechanical splice in an interconnect box on a cable between a heated building and an unheated barn. In the heated building I didn't have much problem. In the cold barn (single digits Fahrenheit) I kept snapping the glass when stripping it and broke it off inside the mechanical splice more than once. I also noticed the 250um acrylic coating seemed to stick to the 900um tight buffer, so when I stripped the tight buffer the acrylic would come with itI never saw that before. Is this just because it's cold? It was also dark and I was working in space where I'm wedged between a Brush Hog and the wall. I also might just suck at it.
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee
Just curious ; can you turn the other 2.4 off for 5 minutes and see if your quality improves? - Original Message - From: Craig House To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Ok done. I have a -56 signal at the SM attached is a screenshot of the analysis. -75 around the channel that I am on with the apj So that is not the problem. Why would I have only 15% to 40% uplink capacity when I have 95-100% capacity and a -56 signal -- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 6:20:07 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Have Java installed, run that program. Connect to that radio. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:55:54 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee So I switch the AP to Spectrum analyzer mode and reboot. Got to the spec analyzer tab and click download tool. How do I use it. It is a separate utility that my laptop doesn't know how to use the file? -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 5:39:34 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp newbee Monitor wireless might have a scan what you're after. I think that's only compatible (ie TDD OR wifi not both) networks seen. Uplink issue, noise and all that basic rf stuff? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 22, 2015 6:07 PM, Craig House cr...@totalhighspeed.net wrote: I've been using cambium/Motorola FSK products now for 10 years but the EPMP product has a few things that I can't quite get to work The main one that concerns me is that I'm using an integrated SM and at any distance from the tower I can make it connect as long as I know the SSID. But what is the trick to making it show available SS IDs to connect to sort of like the scan available access points feature in ubiquity? The second question is that even a very close distances and was very good signals like -53 I have difficulty getting good uplink capacity the quality seems to be reasonable 90% or above but the capacity varies from 15% to 45% most of the time and it's obvious in the speed test that the uplink is not doing what it should What am I doing wrong photo is attached of what I'm talking about in the second question Sent from my iPhone
Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis
I drive an SUV that can hold 5 people (and some stuff), 99% of the time there’s just me (and some stuff). I’m not about to trade it in on a Smart Car or a G-Wiz. Look at it this way, climb once, put up sectors, never have to do a forklift upgrade. And you are prepared if every one of those 15 subscribers wants to stream the Super Bowl in HD at 5 Mbps. Or if 5 of them want to stream 4K video at 15 Mbps. Or you can use CPE off the APs instead of backhauls for several micropops. Having too much capacity is an opportunity not a problem, if the equipment is cheap enough. From: John Woodfield Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 7:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis Not to beat it to death but I'm looking at supposedly having the ability of putting 75 customers on an AP, any cost difference to go sectorized seems foolish if I am looking at a maximum of 15 customers in these instances. Are the ePMP 120 deg sectors really 120 or are they more like the 90 degree of the 120 degree Ubiquiti? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 2:10pm To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis Also You can start with non gps radios (3 120 deg sectors $750 aprox total) them move to gps sync as needed Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Thursday, January 22, 2015 at 1:58 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis I have 2 towers with 450 and an omni for that reason. At the lower price point of ePMP equipment, I think you might be able to justify sectors at 15 subs. Depends on ARPU and whether the additional range would increase the subscriber count. With the ability to GPS sync, you only need 2x the spectrum for 4x the capacity. From: John Woodfield Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 11:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis Same thing here in terms of range. ePMP with Omni = 2-3 miles. It works for low range areas but its tough to justify sectorizing with 15 customers on a tower... John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937 -Original Message- From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 12:08pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis I think that’s unlikely. The highest you usually see in a 90 degree sector is maybe 17-18 dBi. What you gain in horizontal coverage, you give up in either gain or vertical beamwidth, and you really don’t want narrower vertical than the 17 dBi sectors. So for 4x the horizontal coverage, you would expect to give up about 6 dB of gain, so 13 dBi is already impressive. But it is also important to look at the pattern for an omni, some of them have 3 dB or more of variation with azimuth, so an 11 dBi antenna with a nice circular pattern might be just as good as a 13 dBi with an ugly pattern. Different models may also have electrical downtilt, maybe null fill although that seems hard to find in 5 GHz omnis. In general I have not been impressed with any of the 5 GHz dual pol omnis I have tried, they work, but range is nothing to write home about. From: John Woodfield Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Higher Gain 5g Dual-Pol Omnis Does anyone make a 5ghz dual-pol omni with higher gain than 13dbi? John Woodfield Delmarva WiFi http://www.delmarvawifi.com cell (410) 708-1937
