Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR.
Travis did something that guaranteed a certain amount of CIR to the customer as I recall. He was pretty successful. I don’t recall exactly how he set it up. From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 11:09 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR. My last company we did exactly that. Lower SM to AP count and stacked AP’s for redundancy and maintenance. Worked very well. Customers liked the burst, understanding that it went lower during peak times. As I understand it, when there are more SM’s with CIR that exceed the bandwidth of the AP, then it just falls back to best effort. In other words, if all are priority CIR, then none are priority anymore. They just end up in the same CIR pool which is then portioned out according to priority channels and regular best effort queues. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR. We are looking at other ways to sell bandwidth. Looking at the big guys and how their speeds are all over the map during peak times, but you seem to get a decent chunk of the pie during peak times is interesting as a business model. What if you sell up to 30 mbps with a CIR of 2 mbps, leave all the SM's at unlimited throttling. That way if a customer is one of the only users on the AP sucking down bandwidth, they would see the 30 mbps. Makes them happy to see very fast speeds during non peak times. Obviously, during peak times, 7pm to 12 am, they would be guaranteed their 2 mbps. Kind of like what Verizon and ATT do in bigger cities. - Has anyone done something like this? Does it work well? - How well does the AP handle load balancing as subscribers use the available wireless bandwidith? We would like to stack AP's to lower the overall SM count on each AP to keep the CIR within available bandwidth. Say, put max 40 users on each AP at 2 mbps CIR. - If one of the stacked AP's fails and the SM's jump to the other one, what happens if the CIR is greater than the sum of the AP? -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com
Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR.
Travis? Got anything you might want to share with us? On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Travis did something that guaranteed a certain amount of CIR to the customer as I recall. He was pretty successful. I don’t recall exactly how he set it up. *From:* Sterling Jacobson sterl...@avative.net *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 11:09 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR. My last company we did exactly that. Lower SM to AP count and stacked AP’s for redundancy and maintenance. Worked very well. Customers liked the burst, understanding that it went lower during peak times. As I understand it, when there are more SM’s with CIR that exceed the bandwidth of the AP, then it just falls back to best effort. In other words, if all are priority CIR, then none are priority anymore. They just end up in the same CIR pool which is then portioned out according to priority channels and regular best effort queues. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:51 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR. We are looking at other ways to sell bandwidth. Looking at the big guys and how their speeds are all over the map during peak times, but you seem to get a decent chunk of the pie during peak times is interesting as a business model. What if you sell up to 30 mbps with a CIR of 2 mbps, leave all the SM's at unlimited throttling. That way if a customer is one of the only users on the AP sucking down bandwidth, they would see the 30 mbps. Makes them happy to see very fast speeds during non peak times. Obviously, during peak times, 7pm to 12 am, they would be guaranteed their 2 mbps. Kind of like what Verizon and ATT do in bigger cities. - Has anyone done something like this? Does it work well? - How well does the AP handle load balancing as subscribers use the available wireless bandwidith? We would like to stack AP's to lower the overall SM count on each AP to keep the CIR within available bandwidth. Say, put max 40 users on each AP at 2 mbps CIR. - If one of the stacked AP's fails and the SM's jump to the other one, what happens if the CIR is greater than the sum of the AP? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Customer density weather map from KML?
Yes, heat map. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:34 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer density weather map from KML? Here is a get-started for fusion tables. https://support.google.com/fusiontables/answer/2527132?hl=en -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 03/03/2015 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: The third example is crippleware. Don’t use geoserver much. I don’t understand what fusiontables are. Which of these three would be the easiest to implement? From: Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:29 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer density weather map from KML? I think you mean a heat map. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://support.google.com/fusiontables/answer/1152262?hl=en http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/102563/heat-map-density-map-from-dynamic-points-table-in-mapserver-geoserver https://geochalkboard.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/density-mapping-in-google-maps-with-heatmapapi/ Very interesting idea, and looks like it wouldn't be too hard to pull off depending on how your data is laid out. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 03/03/2015 12:06 PM, Greg Osborn wrote: We have our in house CRM that can give me reports of customers per county, census tract and even output the customers to a KML.� What I�d like to do to identify customer density in a weather map format.� With this data, we could identify locations where it would make sense to populate commercial towers vs grain legs.� Any ideas on how to accomplish this?� � -- Thank you, Greg Osborn Tech Support and Field Service Manager OnlyInternet.Net 1.800.363.0989 tel:1.800.363.0989 http://www.facebook.com/onlyinternet � http://www.twitter.com/oibw � http://www.onlyinternet.net/ �
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
I have seen similar type antennas at McGregor and Ft Bliss on trailers. Jaime Solorza On Mar 13, 2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Did they make this in-house? On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw Luneburg Lens array How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
I don't know. If you knew the load of the hose clamps, u-bolts and the ratings
on the screws/plates holding the unistrut together, maybe. You might even weld
them, add more hose clamps or actual bands. Really though, that's out of the
league of how I use them. The unistrut isn't the weak point and everything
else can be enforced or added to for more strength. Rust in Arizona also isn't
my biggest problem and we can reach all of ours with a ladder.
Original message
From: Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com
Date:03/13/2015 9:30 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Rory
Would this hold up sector with rf armor shields on an 130ft tower?
Tim
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Very strong. Use 2-3 hose clamps, commercial ones with weight ratings. We
mount one on top one on bottom, pipe between them. Can easily handle use
hanging on them. Here we have them holding up the Mimosa's we just put up on
a windmill.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Rory
How strong and safe are them brackets?
Tim
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
We use these on locations with odd poles at lower locations.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:00 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Nice
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 2:16 PM, Jeremy
jeremysmi...@gmail.commailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Deep Slotted strut + two 1 1/2 ten foot conduit sections with clamps = about
$30 and gives you twenty foot of sector mounting space. The MTOW product line
is amazing, but there is something to be said for a solid solution on the cheap.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Slotted uni strut works well for this but why re invent the wheel? WB mfg has
affordable mounting options. ..
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 12:56 PM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
And not just plated, but dipped. Makes a big difference.
Unistrut is usually just plated. If it's a quality plating job, it might be
OK, because I see several bits of galvanized unistrut here and there, and they
look fine even after years. But I occasionally see a hunk of unistrut that
didn't have enough plating, and they will show their age.
HDG hangs in for the long haul.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 11:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I should have said MTOWP is galvanized, in other words it works, works well,
don't bother with strut =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown
ch...@wbmfg.commailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think he was referring to unistrut. MTOW-P doesn't have a channel
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
It's galvanized...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.commailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
MTOWP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart
t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.
Thanks Tim
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR.
We generally set CIR to 1/3 of the sustained rate, but only with subs
that get greater than the base level of service. Some sort of dynamic
prioritization is required. We've been playing with Butch Evans QOS script.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 10:19 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Travis did something that guaranteed a certain amount of CIR to the
customer as I recall. He was pretty successful. I don’t recall
exactly how he set it up.
*From:* Sterling Jacobson mailto:sterl...@avative.net
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 11:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR.
My last company we did exactly that.
Lower SM to AP count and stacked AP’s for redundancy and maintenance.
Worked very well.
Customers liked the burst, understanding that it went lower during
peak times.
As I understand it, when there are more SM’s with CIR that exceed the
bandwidth of the AP, then it just falls back to best effort.
In other words, if all are priority CIR, then none are priority anymore.
They just end up in the same CIR pool which is then portioned out
according to priority channels and regular best effort queues.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR.
We are looking at other ways to sell bandwidth. Looking at the big
guys and how their speeds are all over the map during peak times, but
you seem to get a decent chunk of the pie during peak times is
interesting as a business model.
What if you sell up to 30 mbps with a CIR of 2 mbps, leave all the
SM's at unlimited throttling. That way if a customer is one of the
only users on the AP sucking down bandwidth, they would see the 30
mbps. Makes them happy to see very fast speeds during non peak times.
Obviously, during peak times, 7pm to 12 am, they would be guaranteed
their 2 mbps. Kind of like what Verizon and ATT do in bigger cities.
- Has anyone done something like this? Does it work well?
- How well does the AP handle load balancing as subscribers use the
available wireless bandwidith? We would like to stack AP's to lower
the overall SM count on each AP to keep the CIR within available
bandwidth. Say, put max 40 users on each AP at 2 mbps CIR.
- If one of the stacked AP's fails and the SM's jump to the other one,
what happens if the CIR is greater than the sum of the AP?
--
--
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
We might use unistrut for a stiff arm on a commercial tower, but we've
typically used 2 galvy pipe for that.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 10:32 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
I don't know. If you knew the load of the hose clamps, u-bolts and
the ratings on the screws/plates holding the unistrut together, maybe.
You might even weld them, add more hose clamps or actual bands.
Really though, that's out of the league of how I use them. The
unistrut isn't the weak point and everything else can be enforced or
added to for more strength. Rust in Arizona also isn't my biggest
problem and we can reach all of ours with a ladder.
Original message
From: Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com
Date:03/13/2015 9:30 AM (GMT-07:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff
bracket
Rory
Would this hold up sector with rf armor shields on an 130ft tower?
Tim
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 12:24 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower
standoff bracket
Very strong. Use 2-3 hose clamps, commercial ones with weight
ratings. We mount one on top one on bottom, pipe between them. Can
easily handle use hanging on them. Here we have them holding up the
Mimosa�s we just put up on a windmill.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tim Reichhart
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:18 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower
standoff bracket
Rory
How strong and safe are them brackets?
Tim
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Rory Conaway
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 12:09 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower
standoff bracket
We use these on locations with odd poles at lower locations.
Rory
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:00 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower
standoff bracket
Nice
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 2:16 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Deep Slotted strut + two 1 1/2 ten foot conduit sections with clamps
= about $30 and gives you twenty foot of sector mounting space. The
MTOW product line is amazing, but there is something to be said for a
solid solution on the cheap.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza
losguyswirel...@gmail.com mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Slotted uni strut works well for this but why re invent the wheel? WB
mfg has affordable mounting options. ..
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 12:56 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
And not just plated, but dipped. Makes a big difference.
Unistrut is usually just plated. If it's a quality plating job, it
might be OK, because I see several bits of galvanized unistrut here
and there, and they look fine even after years. But I occasionally
see a hunk of unistrut that didn't have enough plating, and they will
show their age.
HDG hangs in for the long haul.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 11:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I should have said MTOWP is galvanized, in other words it works,
works well, don't bother with strut =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think he was referring to unistrut. MTOW-P doesn�t have a channel
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower
stand off bracket
It's galvanized...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding
water and rust
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
MTOWP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com
mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket
before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting
ready to mount 3
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
Speaking of ATT. They are buying Nextel Mexico lock stock and barrel along with 3 million subscribers. Jaime Solorza On Mar 13, 2015 1:01 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: I have seen similar type antennas at McGregor and Ft Bliss on trailers. Jaime Solorza On Mar 13, 2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Did they make this in-house? On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw Luneburg Lens array How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
There is also a fixed Cellular provider using 3.5 and 10Ghz for voice and
Internet. Astel
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 1:23 PM, losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Slim is Telcel. Movistar. Uniphone. Off top of head
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 1:13 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
So who are all the big carriers in Mexico?
Which one is Carlos Slim?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 12:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Speaking of ATT. They are buying Nextel Mexico lock stock and barrel
along with 3 million subscribers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 1:01 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have seen similar type antennas at McGregor and Ft Bliss on trailers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:
Did they make this in-house?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
wrote:
http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw
Luneburg Lens array
How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR.
My last company we did exactly that. Lower SM to AP count and stacked AP’s for redundancy and maintenance. Worked very well. Customers liked the burst, understanding that it went lower during peak times. As I understand it, when there are more SM’s with CIR that exceed the bandwidth of the AP, then it just falls back to best effort. In other words, if all are priority CIR, then none are priority anymore. They just end up in the same CIR pool which is then portioned out according to priority channels and regular best effort queues. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:51 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR. We are looking at other ways to sell bandwidth. Looking at the big guys and how their speeds are all over the map during peak times, but you seem to get a decent chunk of the pie during peak times is interesting as a business model. What if you sell up to 30 mbps with a CIR of 2 mbps, leave all the SM's at unlimited throttling. That way if a customer is one of the only users on the AP sucking down bandwidth, they would see the 30 mbps. Makes them happy to see very fast speeds during non peak times. Obviously, during peak times, 7pm to 12 am, they would be guaranteed their 2 mbps. Kind of like what Verizon and ATT do in bigger cities. - Has anyone done something like this? Does it work well? - How well does the AP handle load balancing as subscribers use the available wireless bandwidith? We would like to stack AP's to lower the overall SM count on each AP to keep the CIR within available bandwidth. Say, put max 40 users on each AP at 2 mbps CIR. - If one of the stacked AP's fails and the SM's jump to the other one, what happens if the CIR is greater than the sum of the AP? -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.comhttp://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
So who are all the big carriers in Mexico?
Which one is Carlos Slim?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 12:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Speaking of ATT. They are buying Nextel Mexico lock stock and barrel
along with 3 million subscribers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 1:01 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
I have seen similar type antennas at McGregor and Ft Bliss on
trailers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:
Did they make this in-house?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw
Luneburg Lens array
How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a
similar ball?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
Did they make this in-house? On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw Luneburg Lens array How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Americas#Mexico
(even up to date with the ATT purchase of Nextel Mexico).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim
He also owns the landline company Telmex... so he has most of the mobile and
all? of the fixed. That's just in Mexico . He owns several other Latin American
companies, Tracfone here in the states, some European companies (incumbents),
used to own CampUSA, etc.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-08/america-movil-to-break-up-mexico-unit-amid-regulatory-pressure
http://www.telecomramblings.com/2014/07/slim-slims-mexico-will-overseas-shopping-list-grow/
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:13:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
So who are all the big carriers in Mexico?
Which one is Carlos Slim?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 12:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Speaking of ATT. They are buying Nextel Mexico lock stock and barrel along
with 3 million subscribers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 1:01 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
I have seen similar type antennas at McGregor and Ft Bliss on trailers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
wrote:
blockquote
Did they make this in-house?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
blockquote
http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw
L uneburg Lens array
H ow long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Customer density weather map from KML?
Hey where is Brian Webster Jaime Solorza On Mar 13, 2015 12:43 PM, Greg Osborn gregwosb...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, heat map. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 4:34 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer density weather map from KML? Here is a get-started for fusion tables. https://support.google.com/fusiontables/answer/2527132?hl=en -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/03/2015 12:30 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: The third example is crippleware. Don’t use geoserver much. I don’t understand what fusiontables are. Which of these three would be the easiest to implement? *From:* Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 03, 2015 2:29 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Customer density weather map from KML? I think you mean a heat map. On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: https://support.google.com/fusiontables/answer/1152262?hl=en http://gis.stackexchange.com/questions/102563/heat-map-density-map-from-dynamic-points-table-in-mapserver-geoserver https://geochalkboard.wordpress.com/2009/03/11/density-mapping-in-google-maps-with-heatmapapi/ Very interesting idea, and looks like it wouldn't be too hard to pull off depending on how your data is laid out. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/03/2015 12:06 PM, Greg Osborn wrote: We have our in house CRM that can give me reports of customers per county, census tract and even output the customers to a KML.� What I�d like to do to identify customer density in a weather map format.� With this data, we could identify locations where it would make sense to populate commercial towers vs grain legs.� Any ideas on how to accomplish this?� � -- Thank you, Greg Osborn Tech Support and Field Service Manager OnlyInternet.Net 1.800.363.0989 [image: http://home.onlyinternet.net/images/social_facebook.png] http://www.facebook.com/onlyinternet�[image: http://home.onlyinternet.net/images/social_twitter.png] http://www.twitter.com/oibw�[image: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12716696/OIlogo.jpg] http://www.onlyinternet.net/ �
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
There's variation in the paint/plastic/whatever and the only problem I've had is getting the damn thing in the dish all the way because of it. On 3/13/2015 8:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've put together at least a dozen of those dishes. None broke. I quite like the dish performance wise. I'd like to see an attach point, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:01 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net mailto:t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? *Tyson Burris, President** **Internet Communications Inc.** **739 Commerce Dr.** **Franklin, IN 46131** *** *317-738-0320 tel:317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 tel:317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net ICI *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* ** *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
How about C4? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn They might be but seem to be working fine in the field. I didn't have to get pumped on my bowflex just to deploy one either. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:05 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn itelite feels super cheap to me. Just a heads up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 11:55 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com mailto:atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: Not sure of a better option other than maybe trying the ITElite panels. We've mauled a few of the dainty pigtails off the feedhorns but haven't broke the tabs yet. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:01 AM To: memb...@wispa.org mailto:memb...@wispa.org ; af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 tel:317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 tel:317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: http://www.surfici.net www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5751 / Virus Database: 4306/9292 - Release Date: 03/13/15
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
Everything is Carlos Slim. That's why he's being forced to divest a bunch.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:13:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
So who are all the big carriers in Mexico?
Which one is Carlos Slim?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 12:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Speaking of ATT. They are buying Nextel Mexico lock stock and barrel along
with 3 million subscribers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 1:01 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
I have seen similar type antennas at McGregor and Ft Bliss on trailers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
wrote:
blockquote
Did they make this in-house?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
blockquote
http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw
L uneburg Lens array
H ow long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
The very first one I got that feedhorn would NOT go in the dish. I had to RMA that. Jesus that RMA was absolutely one of the most painful experiences I've ever had, too... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:20 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: There's variation in the paint/plastic/whatever and the only problem I've had is getting the damn thing in the dish all the way because of it. On 3/13/2015 8:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've put together at least a dozen of those dishes. None broke. I quite like the dish performance wise. I'd like to see an attach point, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:01 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? *Tyson Burris, President* *Internet Communications Inc.* *739 Commerce Dr.* *Franklin, IN 46131* *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net [image: ICI] *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] FS: pmp430 AP's
Kurt, So, 3 APs for $ 800 total? Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] FS: pmp430 AP's I have 3 PMP430 AP's that are 5.4ghz looking to sell. Will take $800.00 for all 3. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.comhttp://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
Slim is Telcel. Movistar. Uniphone. Off top of head
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 1:13 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
So who are all the big carriers in Mexico?
Which one is Carlos Slim?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 12:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Speaking of ATT. They are buying Nextel Mexico lock stock and barrel
along with 3 million subscribers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 1:01 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
I have seen similar type antennas at McGregor and Ft Bliss on trailers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:
Did they make this in-house?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
wrote:
http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw
Luneburg Lens array
How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
On the 100s I just drove them back to Rolling Ghettos. I haven't tried any 110s yet. It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:25:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn The very first one I got that feedhorn would NOT go in the dish. I had to RMA that. Jesus that RMA was absolutely one of the most painful experiences I've ever had, too... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:20 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: There's variation in the paint/plastic/whatever and the only problem I've had is getting the damn thing in the dish all the way because of it. On 3/13/2015 8:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote I've put together at least a dozen of those dishes. None broke. I quite like the dish performance wise. I'd like to see an attach point, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:01 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: blockquote Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net ICI What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
The actual AC (and AD) standards are only 5 GHz. Patrick Leary M 727.501.3735 [cid:image001.png@01D05DA9.4D4A8550]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] Wondering
Looks like a DAS to me. They have similar here going through the woods.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 12:40 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
These are going up all around Ft Bliss main base. Once done a cover
goes over the monopole so no antennas are visible and painted beige.
Wonder what they are for? Spaced about 1/4 mile from each other
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming. But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with AC in 2.4Ghz? I don't know the standard really well aside from it's obvious gains. The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are the increased speeds and beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And better range. It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in 2.4Ghz but the main argument I have heard against it is that there isn't enough spectrum. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are going to do one. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies that .ac has over .n even on the same channel size? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Vince West *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and saved it just for a question like this. Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only? http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Afaik 5ghz only Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *[AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Chips that are 2 stage without integrated RFIC I think you will see will work
just fine with no cost hit at all.
You’re right though, most high volume chips are highly integrated chips with PA
and RFIC, and clearly not focused on moving into this space (read: chips for
mobile phones and low cost home router Wi-Fi chips).
One of the reasons we love Quantenna…clean division of baseband chip and
external customizable RFIC/PA, etc.
Cheers,
Jaime Fink • Mimosahttp://www.mimosa.co/ • CPO Co-Founder
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From: Josh Reynolds
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 2:20 PM
To: Bill Prince
Cc: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Beam forming was an optional part of 802.11n.
There are two types of beamforming, antenna based and chip/tx based.
802.11AC is significantly more efficient than 802.11N when it comes to protocol
overhead, however the majority of the speed gain is from higher order
modulations coupled with larger channel sizes. BTW, 160MHz wide channels are on
the horizon for 802.11AC rev3.
MU-MIMO is nice.
I would not expect to ever see a 2.4GHz AC chipset on the mass market at
reasonable pricing, even for ISPs. Too little to gain, on various fronts.
On Mar 13, 2015 1:02 PM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If the only way to gain more throughput in AC (over N) is to increase the
channel size, then there is no significant gain in AC.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:42 PM, Vince West wrote:
To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming.
But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with AC in
2.4Ghz? I don't know the standard really well aside from it's obvious gains.
The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are the increased speeds
and beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And better range.
It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in 2.4Ghz but
the main argument I have heard against it is that there isn't enough spectrum.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg
ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are going to do
one.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies that .ac
has over .n even on the same channel size?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Vince West
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and
saved it just for a question like this.
Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz
only?http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Afaik 5ghz only
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz?
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. Have you been outside today? Maybe too muddy, not too cold. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn On the 100s I just drove them back to Rolling Ghettos. I haven't tried any 110s yet. It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:25:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn The very first one I got that feedhorn would NOT go in the dish. I had to RMA that. Jesus that RMA was absolutely one of the most painful experiences I've ever had, too... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:20 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: There's variation in the paint/plastic/whatever and the only problem I've had is getting the damn thing in the dish all the way because of it. On 3/13/2015 8:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've put together at least a dozen of those dishes. None broke. I quite like the dish performance wise. I'd like to see an attach point, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:01 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] Wondering
Lots of people there, right? Cellular micro-pops? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:40:14 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Wondering These are going up all around Ft Bliss main base. Once done a cover goes over the monopole so no antennas are visible and painted beige. Wonder what they are for? Spaced about 1/4 mile from each other Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and saved it just for a question like this. Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only? http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Afaik 5ghz only Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Wondering
In a stadium, they're a lot more dense than that. ;-) Soldiers streaming Red Tube on their phones uses a lot of bandwidth. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:54:58 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Wondering But so close together? Density planning maybe Jaime Solorza On Mar 13, 2015 1:46 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Lots of people there, right? Cellular micro-pops? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:40:14 PM Subject: [AFMUG] Wondering These are going up all around Ft Bliss main base. Once done a cover goes over the monopole so no antennas are visible and painted beige. Wonder what they are for? Spaced about 1/4 mile from each other Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Afaik 5ghz only Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
It would really be nice if Ubiquiti would come out with 2.4 AC, I use their existing 2.4GHz product fairly often. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Wondering
Yes. I am sure you guys are correct. I will know when they go hot for
sure
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 2:19 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Looks like a DAS to me. They have similar here going through the woods.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 12:40 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
These are going up all around Ft Bliss main base. Once done a cover goes
over the monopole so no antennas are visible and painted beige. Wonder
what they are for? Spaced about 1/4 mile from each other
Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Generally, many chips actually work no problem and should be able to run 256
QAM down into 2.4 Ghz, but the dependency is having RFICs out there that
support it, clients that are expecting it in the beacons since it’s not in the
standard, and clearly 80 MHz modes are not an option.
Obviously off the shelf true Wi-Fi clients (smartphones, tablets, etc.) likely
aren’t going to be compatible or negotiate those rates since it’s not in the
standard that they’re expecting those rates as advertised in that band.
So it won’t be true Wi-Fi since there’s no interoperability or requirements to
support the actual 11ac standard in 2.4 GHz, but there’s nothing stopping it
from working in a fixed vendor implementation so long as both AP and client can
support it and the RF is there to do it on both sides.
Cheers,
Jaime Fink • Mimosahttp://www.mimosa.co/ • CPO Co-Founder
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From: Bill Prince
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:31 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
if there's no chip set, no one will be making any.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would really be nice if Ubiquiti would come out with 2.4 AC, I use their
existing 2.4GHz product fairly often.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Paul McCall
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz?
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are going to do one. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies that .ac has over .n even on the same channel size? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Vince West *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and saved it just for a question like this. Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only? http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Afaik 5ghz only Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *[AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR.
I think we do what you are describing. Burst (up to XX) amount and then GUARANTEED sustain bandwidth as well. The Sustained value helps us calculate/ protect the predictability and the capacity asset of the AP From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR. Travis did something that guaranteed a certain amount of CIR to the customer as I recall. He was pretty successful. I don’t recall exactly how he set it up. From: Sterling Jacobsonmailto:sterl...@avative.net Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 11:09 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR. My last company we did exactly that. Lower SM to AP count and stacked AP’s for redundancy and maintenance. Worked very well. Customers liked the burst, understanding that it went lower during peak times. As I understand it, when there are more SM’s with CIR that exceed the bandwidth of the AP, then it just falls back to best effort. In other words, if all are priority CIR, then none are priority anymore. They just end up in the same CIR pool which is then portioned out according to priority channels and regular best effort queues. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:51 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR. We are looking at other ways to sell bandwidth. Looking at the big guys and how their speeds are all over the map during peak times, but you seem to get a decent chunk of the pie during peak times is interesting as a business model. What if you sell up to 30 mbps with a CIR of 2 mbps, leave all the SM's at unlimited throttling. That way if a customer is one of the only users on the AP sucking down bandwidth, they would see the 30 mbps. Makes them happy to see very fast speeds during non peak times. Obviously, during peak times, 7pm to 12 am, they would be guaranteed their 2 mbps. Kind of like what Verizon and ATT do in bigger cities. - Has anyone done something like this? Does it work well? - How well does the AP handle load balancing as subscribers use the available wireless bandwidith? We would like to stack AP's to lower the overall SM count on each AP to keep the CIR within available bandwidth. Say, put max 40 users on each AP at 2 mbps CIR. - If one of the stacked AP's fails and the SM's jump to the other one, what happens if the CIR is greater than the sum of the AP? -- -- Sam Lambie Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.comhttp://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
If the only way to gain more throughput in AC (over N) is to increase
the channel size, then there is no significant gain in AC.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:42 PM, Vince West wrote:
To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming.
But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with
AC in 2.4Ghz? I don't know the standard really well aside from it's
obvious gains. The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are
the increased speeds and beamforming. I understand where beamforming
is important. And better range.
It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in
2.4Ghz but the main argument I have heard against it is that there
isn't enough spectrum.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com
mailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are
going to do one.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general
efficiencies that .ac has over .n even on the same channel size?
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Vince West
*Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a
few years ago and saved it just for a question like this.
Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only?
http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232 tel:1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Afaik 5ghz only
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com http://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
*From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
*Reply-To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com
*Date: *Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject: *[AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually
see it in 2.4 Ghz?
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I think that’s a fair assessment of the technology from last year….most AC
implementations never thought they’d achieve MCS 9 regularly with a generation
ago RFIC technologies and required RX sensitivities.
Now that RFIC implementations have evolved to try to actually improve this,
we’re seeing it is far more attainable to hit MCS 8/9 quite regularly,
especially in narrower channels.
But MU-MIMO and beamforming alone are big improvements even if you can’t get
past MCS 7.
Beamforming delivers 3 dB extra “processed” gain on it’s own.
Cheers,
Jaime Fink • Mimosahttp://www.mimosa.co/ • CPO Co-Founder
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From: Bill Prince
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 2:02 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
If the only way to gain more throughput in AC (over N) is to increase the
channel size, then there is no significant gain in AC.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:42 PM, Vince West wrote:
To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming.
But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with AC in
2.4Ghz? I don't know the standard really well aside from it's obvious gains.
The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are the increased speeds
and beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And better range.
It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in 2.4Ghz but
the main argument I have heard against it is that there isn't enough spectrum.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg
ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are going to do
one.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies that .ac
has over .n even on the same channel size?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Vince West
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and
saved it just for a question like this.
Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz
only?http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232tel:1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Afaik 5ghz only
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz?
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] FS: pmp430 AP's
yes, you interested? Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Kurt, So, 3 APs for $ 800 total? Paul *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:41 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] FS: pmp430 AP's I have 3 PMP430 AP's that are 5.4ghz looking to sell. Will take $800.00 for all 3. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Wondering
My guess, with my tin foil hat is theyre building a shield to ensure the only cellular traffic within the base is traversing their controlled network as a precautionary measure against all these rogue cell stations. There was that one report that around military bases in the US there are many present, the report suggested they didnt belong to the military On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: But so close together? Density planning maybe Jaime Solorza On Mar 13, 2015 1:46 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Lots of people there, right? Cellular micro-pops? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, March 13, 2015 2:40:14 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wondering These are going up all around Ft Bliss main base. Once done a cover goes over the monopole so no antennas are visible and painted beige. Wonder what they are for? Spaced about 1/4 mile from each other Jaime Solorza -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
We would have done there 10 years ago except for these guys and the regulations
they have in place.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Americas#Mexico
(even up to date with the ATT purchase of Nextel Mexico).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Slim
He also owns the landline company Telmex... so he has most of the mobile and
all? of the fixed. That's just in Mexico. He owns several other Latin American
companies, Tracfone here in the states, some European companies (incumbents),
used to own CampUSA, etc.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-08/america-movil-to-break-up-mexico-unit-amid-regulatory-pressure
http://www.telecomramblings.com/2014/07/slim-slims-mexico-will-overseas-shopping-list-grow/
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:13:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
So who are all the big carriers in Mexico?
Which one is Carlos Slim?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 12:03 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
Speaking of ATT. They are buying Nextel Mexico lock stock and barrel along
with 3 million subscribers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 1:01 PM, Jaime Solorza
losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
I have seen similar type antennas at McGregor and Ft Bliss on trailers.
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 13, 2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
wrote:
Did they make this in-house?
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw
Luneburg Lens array
How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball?
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
Weakling. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: On the 100s I just drove them back to Rolling Ghettos. I haven't tried any 110s yet. It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, March 13, 2015 2:25:10 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn The very first one I got that feedhorn would NOT go in the dish. I had to RMA that. Jesus that RMA was absolutely one of the most painful experiences I've ever had, too... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:20 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: There's variation in the paint/plastic/whatever and the only problem I've had is getting the damn thing in the dish all the way because of it. On 3/13/2015 8:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've put together at least a dozen of those dishes. None broke. I quite like the dish performance wise. I'd like to see an attach point, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:01 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? *Tyson Burris, President* *Internet Communications Inc.* *739 Commerce Dr.* *Franklin, IN 46131* *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net [image: ICI] *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] SM throughput takes a hit with PPoE?
A bit. Not much, you're just getting a slightly smaller packet size (few bytes). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: I know that NAT takes off some throughput, but does using a PPoE session do the same? And if so, how much? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
Is it thought? http://inxwireless.com/images/officecam.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Super WISP superw...@wavonline.com wrote: It’s beautiful finally out there guys. Time to do some installs!! *Mark Chamerlik* *WAV®, Inc* *Strategic Account Manager* *East Coast* *630-818-1004 630-818-1004 Direct* *630-818-4452 630-818-4452 Fax* *800-678-2419 X 1004 800-678-2419%20X%201004 Toll Free* *ma...@wavonline.com ma...@wavonline.com* (OR URGENT NEEDS TO tea...@wavonline.com) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 2:47 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. Have you been outside today? Maybe too muddy, not too cold. *From:* Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 2:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn On the 100s I just drove them back to Rolling Ghettos. I haven't tried any 110s yet. It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, March 13, 2015 2:25:10 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn The very first one I got that feedhorn would NOT go in the dish. I had to RMA that. Jesus that RMA was absolutely one of the most painful experiences I've ever had, too... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:20 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: There's variation in the paint/plastic/whatever and the only problem I've had is getting the damn thing in the dish all the way because of it. On 3/13/2015 8:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've put together at least a dozen of those dishes. None broke. I quite like the dish performance wise. I'd like to see an attach point, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:01 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? *Tyson Burris, President* * Internet Communications Inc.* * 739 Commerce Dr.* * Franklin, IN 46131* *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net [image: ICI] *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.* This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000.
[AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
That article makes sense from a consumer device standpoint. Not so much on the ISP side of things though. WISP-centric equipment generally has options for smaller channel sizes. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:27 PM, Vince West vi...@shelbybb.com wrote: I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and saved it just for a question like this. Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only? http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Afaik 5ghz only Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Thanks for the insight!! Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:46 PM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: The big gain would be MU-MIMO, beamforming to create the nulls for multi-user and isolate interference, and of course 256-QAM, but limited to the same smaller channel sizes required for the 2.4 GHz spectrum. Question is, with the noise in the spectrum, could you achieve SNR to really get 256-QAM regularly (probably limited), but certainly MU-MIMO and beamforming would be a big add for the band. Cheers, *Jaime Fink* • *Mimosa* http://www.mimosa.co/ • *CPO Co-Founder* This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. From: Vince West Reply-To: af@afmug.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming. But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with AC in 2.4Ghz? I don't know the standard really well aside from it's obvious gains. The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are the increased speeds and beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And better range. It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in 2.4Ghz but the main argument I have heard against it is that there isn't enough spectrum. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are going to do one. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies that .ac has over .n even on the same channel size? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Vince West *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and saved it just for a question like this. Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only? http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Afaik 5ghz only Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr *From: *Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net *Reply-To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Date: *Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Subject: *[AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Beam forming was an optional part of 802.11n.
There are two types of beamforming, antenna based and chip/tx based.
802.11AC is significantly more efficient than 802.11N when it comes to protocol overhead, however the majority of the speed gain is from higher order modulations coupled with larger channel sizes. BTW, 160MHz wide channels are on the horizon for 802.11AC rev3.
MU-MIMO is nice.
I would not expect to ever see a 2.4GHz "AC" chipset on the mass market at "reasonable pricing", even for ISPs. Too little to gain, on various fronts.
On Mar 13, 2015 1:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If the only way to gain more throughput in AC (over N) is to
increase the channel size, then there is no significant gain in AC.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:42 PM, Vince West wrote:
To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming.
But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel
sizes with AC in 2.4Ghz? I dont know the standard really well
aside from its obvious gains. The main things, AFAIK, that
are beneficial from AC are the increased speeds and
beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And
better range.
It would be interesting to know what can be gained from
802.11ac in 2.4Ghz but the main argument I have heard against
it is that there isnt enough spectrum.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck
Hogg chuck@shelbybb.com
wrote:
There are chipsets and I believe that one of
the manufacturers are going to do one.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Mar 13,
2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall paulm@pdmnet.net
wrote:
I
get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there
some general efficiencies that .ac has over
.n even on the same channel size?
From:
Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Vince West
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec
available in 2.4?
I cant attest to the
accuracy, but I found this on the web a
few years ago and saved it just for a
question like this.
Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz
only?
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical
Support
Shelby
Broadband
148 Citizens
Blvd
Simpsonville,
KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
if there's no chip set, no one will be making any.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
It would really be nice if Ubiquiti would come out with 2.4 AC, I use
their existing 2.4GHz product fairly often.
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net
mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see
it in 2.4 Ghz?
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
There is an increase from 2 things over N, the first is processor throughput as
none of the inexpensive N radios could even use all the bandwidth N allowed
with 64QAM. The second is the difference between 256QAM and 64QAM.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
If the only way to gain more throughput in AC (over N) is to increase the
channel size, then there is no significant gain in AC.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:42 PM, Vince West wrote:
To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming.
But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with AC in
2.4Ghz? I don't know the standard really well aside from it's obvious gains.
The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are the increased speeds
and beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And better range.
It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in 2.4Ghz but
the main argument I have heard against it is that there isn't enough spectrum.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg
ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are going to do
one.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies that .ac
has over .n even on the same channel size?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf
Of Vince West
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and
saved it just for a question like this.
Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz
only?http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232tel:1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Afaik 5ghz only
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz?
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/
pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] SM throughput takes a hit with PPoE?
I know that NAT takes off some throughput, but does using a PPoE session do the same? And if so, how much? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
Well right, this week has been good. Goes from 5 degrees to 50 degrees pretty much overnight. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:47:12 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. Have you been outside today? Maybe too muddy, not too cold. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn On the 100s I just drove them back to Rolling Ghettos. I haven't tried any 110s yet. It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:25:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn The very first one I got that feedhorn would NOT go in the dish. I had to RMA that. Jesus that RMA was absolutely one of the most painful experiences I've ever had, too... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:20 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: There's variation in the paint/plastic/whatever and the only problem I've had is getting the damn thing in the dish all the way because of it. On 3/13/2015 8:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote I've put together at least a dozen of those dishes. None broke. I quite like the dish performance wise. I'd like to see an attach point, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:01 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: blockquote Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net ICI What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. /blockquote /blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] Wondering
But so close together? Density planning maybe Jaime Solorza On Mar 13, 2015 1:46 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Lots of people there, right? Cellular micro-pops? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, March 13, 2015 2:40:14 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wondering These are going up all around Ft Bliss main base. Once done a cover goes over the monopole so no antennas are visible and painted beige. Wonder what they are for? Spaced about 1/4 mile from each other Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies that .ac has over .n even on the same channel size? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Vince West Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and saved it just for a question like this. Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only?http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Afaik 5ghz only Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
The big gain would be MU-MIMO, beamforming to create the nulls for multi-user and isolate interference, and of course 256-QAM, but limited to the same smaller channel sizes required for the 2.4 GHz spectrum. Question is, with the noise in the spectrum, could you achieve SNR to really get 256-QAM regularly (probably limited), but certainly MU-MIMO and beamforming would be a big add for the band. Cheers, Jaime Fink • Mimosahttp://www.mimosa.co/ • CPO Co-Founder This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. From: Vince West Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 1:42 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming. But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with AC in 2.4Ghz? I don't know the standard really well aside from it's obvious gains. The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are the increased speeds and beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And better range. It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in 2.4Ghz but the main argument I have heard against it is that there isn't enough spectrum. Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.commailto:ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are going to do one. Regards, Chuck On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies that .ac has over .n even on the same channel size? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Vince West Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years ago and saved it just for a question like this. Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only?http://blogs.aerohive.com/blog/the-wi-fi-security-blog/why-is-80211ac-5-ghz-only Vince West Tower Hand Technical Support Shelby Broadband 148 Citizens Blvd Simpsonville, KY 40067 Phone: 1-888-364-4232tel:1-888-364-4232 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Afaik 5ghz only Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.comhttp://www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net Reply-To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4? Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in 2.4 Ghz? Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
It’s beautiful finally out there guys. Time to do some installs!! Mark Chamerlik WAV®, Inc Strategic Account Manager East Coast 630-818-1004 Direct 630-818-4452 Fax 800-678-2419 X 1004 Toll Free ma...@wavonline.commailto:ma...@wavonline.com (OR URGENT NEEDS TO tea...@wavonline.commailto:tea...@wavonline.com) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. Have you been outside today? Maybe too muddy, not too cold. From: Mike Hammettmailto:af...@ics-il.net Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:39 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn On the 100s I just drove them back to Rolling Ghettos. I haven't tried any 110s yet. It's too cold for me to want to do extra work outside. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 2:25:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn The very first one I got that feedhorn would NOT go in the dish. I had to RMA that. Jesus that RMA was absolutely one of the most painful experiences I've ever had, too... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:20 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: There's variation in the paint/plastic/whatever and the only problem I've had is getting the damn thing in the dish all the way because of it. On 3/13/2015 8:06 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've put together at least a dozen of those dishes. None broke. I quite like the dish performance wise. I'd like to see an attach point, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:01 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.netmailto:t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320tel:317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540tel:317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.nethttp://www.surfici.net [ICI] What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. This message is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone at 630-818-1000.
Re: [AFMUG] Wondering
Lots of buildings going up Jaime Solorza On Mar 13, 2015 1:58 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: My guess, with my tin foil hat is theyre building a shield to ensure the only cellular traffic within the base is traversing their controlled network as a precautionary measure against all these rogue cell stations. There was that one report that around military bases in the US there are many present, the report suggested they didnt belong to the military On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 2:54 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: But so close together? Density planning maybe Jaime Solorza On Mar 13, 2015 1:46 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Lots of people there, right? Cellular micro-pops? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Friday, March 13, 2015 2:40:14 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Wondering These are going up all around Ft Bliss main base. Once done a cover goes over the monopole so no antennas are visible and painted beige. Wonder what they are for? Spaced about 1/4 mile from each other Jaime Solorza -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
Assuming Cambium makes a 2.4ghz dish the same size as the 5ghz force110, I'd expect it to be about 18dbi... which isn't going to be too much different than those panels. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 9:43 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Uh 25dbi in 5 ghz with a connectorized radio. I'm talking 16 dbi on a connectorized 2g radio. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 10:16 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Do you know what the improvement over a bare sm? 16 to 18 db? Cambium says their dish will do 25 db over a bare sm. Would you trust that number? Josh Luthman wrote: 16 or 18? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:56 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: What is the gain on those panels? Josh Luthman wrote: Sometime...but ITelite has panels now so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:19 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I'm holding my breath for the 2.4 connectorized dish Cambium is releasing. Isn't that this month? Josh Luthman wrote: Remote is coming. Are you doing epmp on both bands on the dual band itelite? Have you checked signal to make sure 2g carries farther than 5g? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340u Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:11 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but
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Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
Yes, doing both. 2G definitely further than 5G at same signal strength. 5Ghz generally works well in the low -70s and 2.4 needs about -65 to work well… in our area From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Remote is coming. Are you doing epmp on both bands on the dual band itelite? Have you checked signal to make sure 2g carries farther than 5g? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:11 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as possible, scan for problems etc. 2) Be conscious about what Frequency boxes are checked in the SMs. Obviously avoid the frequency you have the router at. If you don't have a second AP that has a good enough signal (-65 or less) and the customer is NOT on the edge of a sector, you can keep the second frequency checked If you have a poor second AP signal OR you have a customer installed on a sector edge, check ONLY the one frequency of the good (proper angled) AP Doing this, your eDedects will be happy, and you give yourself the best chance for success. We actually are writing some SNMP backend stuff to help point out problems in all these areas, and proactively fix them Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more of it this year. On 3/13/2015 6:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
Remote is coming. Are you doing epmp on both bands on the dual band itelite? Have you checked signal to make sure 2g carries farther than 5g? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:11 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as possible, scan for problems etc. 2) Be conscious about what Frequency boxes are checked in the SMs. Obviously avoid the frequency you have the router at. If you don't have a second AP that has a good enough signal (-65 or less) and the customer is NOT on the edge of a sector, you can keep the second frequency checked If you have a poor second AP signal OR you have a customer installed on a sector edge, check ONLY the one frequency of the good (proper angled) AP Doing this, your eDedects will be happy, and you give yourself the best chance for success. We actually are writing some SNMP backend stuff to help point out problems in all these areas, and proactively fix them Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more of it this year. On 3/13/2015 6:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
What is the gain on those panels? Josh Luthman wrote: Sometime...but ITelite has panels now so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:19 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I'm holding my breath for the 2.4 connectorized dish Cambium is releasing. Isn't that this month? Josh Luthman wrote: Remote is coming. Are you doing epmp on both bands on the dual band itelite? Have you checked signal to make sure 2g carries farther than 5g? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340u Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:11 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as possible, scan for problems etc. 2) Be conscious about what Frequency boxes are checked in the SMs. Obviously avoid the frequency you have the router at. If you don't have a second AP that has a good enough signal (-65 or less) and the customer is NOT on the edge of a sector, you can keep the second frequency checked If you have a poor second AP signal OR you have a customer installed on a sector edge, check ONLY the one frequency of the good (proper angled) AP Doing this, your eDedects will be happy, and you give yourself the best chance for success. We actually are writing some SNMP backend stuff to help point out problems in all these areas, and proactively fix them Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
Uh 25dbi in 5 ghz with a connectorized radio. I'm talking 16 dbi on a connectorized 2g radio. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 10:16 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: Do you know what the improvement over a bare sm? 16 to 18 db? Cambium says their dish will do 25 db over a bare sm. Would you trust that number? Josh Luthman wrote: 16 or 18? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:56 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: What is the gain on those panels? Josh Luthman wrote: Sometime...but ITelite has panels now so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:19 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I'm holding my breath for the 2.4 connectorized dish Cambium is releasing. Isn't that this month? Josh Luthman wrote: Remote is coming. Are you doing epmp on both bands on the dual band itelite? Have you checked signal to make sure 2g carries farther than 5g? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340u Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:11 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as possible, scan for problems etc. 2) Be conscious about what Frequency boxes are checked in the SMs. Obviously avoid the frequency you have the router at. If you don't have a second AP that has a good enough signal (-65 or less) and the customer is NOT on the edge of a sector, you can keep the second frequency checked If you have a poor second AP signal OR you have a customer installed on a sector edge, check ONLY the one frequency of the good (proper angled) AP Doing this, your eDedects will be happy, and you give yourself the best chance for success. We actually are writing some SNMP backend stuff to help point out problems in all these areas, and proactively fix them Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more of it this year. On 3/13/2015 6:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
I'm holding my breath for the 2.4 connectorized dish Cambium is releasing. Isn't that this month? Josh Luthman wrote: Remote is coming. Are you doing epmp on both bands on the dual band itelite? Have you checked signal to make sure 2g carries farther than 5g? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340u Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:11 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as possible, scan for problems etc. 2) Be conscious about what Frequency boxes are checked in the SMs. Obviously avoid the frequency you have the router at. If you don't have a second AP that has a good enough signal (-65 or less) and the customer is NOT on the edge of a sector, you can keep the second frequency checked If you have a poor second AP signal OR you have a customer installed on a sector edge, check ONLY the one frequency of the good (proper angled) AP Doing this, your eDedects will be happy, and you give yourself the best chance for success. We actually are writing some SNMP backend stuff to help point out problems in all these areas, and proactively fix them Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more of it this year. On 3/13/2015 6:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
Sometime...but ITelite has panels now so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:19 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I'm holding my breath for the 2.4 connectorized dish Cambium is releasing. Isn't that this month? Josh Luthman wrote: Remote is coming. Are you doing epmp on both bands on the dual band itelite? Have you checked signal to make sure 2g carries farther than 5g? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340u Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:11 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto: pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as possible, scan for problems etc. 2) Be conscious about what Frequency boxes are checked in the SMs. Obviously avoid the frequency you have the router at. If you don't have a second AP that has a good enough signal (-65 or less) and the customer is NOT on the edge of a sector, you can keep the second frequency checked If you have a poor second AP signal OR you have a customer installed on a sector edge, check ONLY the one frequency of the good (proper angled) AP Doing this, your eDedects will be happy, and you give yourself the best chance for success. We actually are writing some SNMP backend stuff to help point out problems in all these areas, and proactively fix them Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more of it this year. On 3/13/2015 6:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
16 or 18? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:56 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: What is the gain on those panels? Josh Luthman wrote: Sometime...but ITelite has panels now so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:19 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I'm holding my breath for the 2.4 connectorized dish Cambium is releasing. Isn't that this month? Josh Luthman wrote: Remote is coming. Are you doing epmp on both bands on the dual band itelite? Have you checked signal to make sure 2g carries farther than 5g? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340u Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:11 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as possible, scan for problems etc. 2) Be conscious about what Frequency boxes are checked in the SMs. Obviously avoid the frequency you have the router at. If you don't have a second AP that has a good enough signal (-65 or less) and the customer is NOT on the edge of a sector, you can keep the second frequency checked If you have a poor second AP signal OR you have a customer installed on a sector edge, check ONLY the one frequency of the good (proper angled) AP Doing this, your eDedects will be happy, and you give yourself the best chance for success. We actually are writing some SNMP backend stuff to help point out problems in all these areas, and proactively fix them Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
Do you know what the improvement over a bare sm? 16 to 18 db? Cambium says their dish will do 25 db over a bare sm. Would you trust that number? Josh Luthman wrote: 16 or 18? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:56 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: What is the gain on those panels? Josh Luthman wrote: Sometime...but ITelite has panels now so... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:19 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: I'm holding my breath for the 2.4 connectorized dish Cambium is releasing. Isn't that this month? Josh Luthman wrote: Remote is coming. Are you doing epmp on both bands on the dual band itelite? Have you checked signal to make sure 2g carries farther than 5g? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340u Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:11 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have mostly been using the Cambium sectors, but just started using the ITElite model that does both 2.4 and 5 Ghz on same sector. A/B comparison was pretty much identical compared to Cambium on the 2.4 Ghz side and slightly stronger on the 5 Ghz side. eDetect has its shortcomings. It only picks up 801.11 devices on same frequency.ePMP doesn’t have remote spectrum analyzer which would be helpful. (unless it was just added) *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:04 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net mailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more of it this year. On 3/13/2015 6:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
Are you using the suggested sectors, Paul? Should eDetect see TDD and wifi devices? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 8:45 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as possible, scan for problems etc. 2) Be conscious about what Frequency boxes are checked in the SMs. Obviously avoid the frequency you have the router at. If you don't have a second AP that has a good enough signal (-65 or less) and the customer is NOT on the edge of a sector, you can keep the second frequency checked If you have a poor second AP signal OR you have a customer installed on a sector edge, check ONLY the one frequency of the good (proper angled) AP Doing this, your eDedects will be happy, and you give yourself the best chance for success. We actually are writing some SNMP backend stuff to help point out problems in all these areas, and proactively fix them Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more of it this year. On 3/13/2015 6:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Me neither. I've read where a few folks have had great success with 3x3 @ 5GHz
on the Mikrotik forum and more often then not actually losing speed.
Seems though, beamforming and 3x3, or likely 4x4, would make for an AP with
awesome signal reconstruction. It would take some work, obviously, but 10-15 ft
separation with two dual polarity sectors...
It might work better in a 2tx4r config, but it is all just geek thoughts at
this point.
Odd. I hit reply just like I always have on AFMUG and it sent it to Josh's
email rather than af@afmug.com. This is just a copy and paste.
- Original Message -
From: Josh Reynolds
To: Glen Waldrop
Cc: af@afmug.com
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I haven't seen anybody doing true 3x3 outdoors at any decent range, as of yet.
On Mar 13, 2015 2:36 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
3x3 and beam forming would come in handy on 2.4, both of which are
available with 802.11n specs, just rare as hen’s teeth in practice.
You’d think someone could convince Atheros to build the chip.
From: Jaime Fink
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; Bill Prince
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Chips that are 2 stage without integrated RFIC I think you will see will
work just fine with no cost hit at all.
You’re right though, most high volume chips are highly integrated chips
with PA and RFIC, and clearly not focused on moving into this space (read:
chips for mobile phones and low cost home router Wi-Fi chips).
One of the reasons we love Quantenna…clean division of baseband chip and
external customizable RFIC/PA, etc.
Cheers,
Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO Co-Founder
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From: Josh Reynolds
Reply-To: af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 2:20 PM
To: Bill Prince
Cc: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Beam forming was an optional part of 802.11n.
There are two types of beamforming, antenna based and chip/tx based.
802.11AC is significantly more efficient than 802.11N when it comes to
protocol overhead, however the majority of the speed gain is from higher order
modulations coupled with larger channel sizes. BTW, 160MHz wide channels are on
the horizon for 802.11AC rev3.
MU-MIMO is nice.
I would not expect to ever see a 2.4GHz AC chipset on the mass market at
reasonable pricing, even for ISPs. Too little to gain, on various fronts.
On Mar 13, 2015 1:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If the only way to gain more throughput in AC (over N) is to increase the
channel size, then there is no significant gain in AC.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:42 PM, Vince West wrote:
To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming.
But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with
AC in 2.4Ghz? I don't know the standard really well aside from it's obvious
gains. The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are the increased
speeds and beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And better
range.
It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in
2.4Ghz but the main argument I have heard against it is that there isn't enough
spectrum.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are
going to do one.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general
efficiencies that .ac has over .n even on the same channel size?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Vince West
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few
years ago and saved it just for a question like this.
Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only?
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
3x3 and beam forming would come in handy on 2.4, both of which are available
with 802.11n specs, just rare as hen’s teeth in practice.
You’d think someone could convince Atheros to build the chip.
From: Jaime Fink
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; Bill Prince
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Chips that are 2 stage without integrated RFIC I think you will see will work
just fine with no cost hit at all.
You’re right though, most high volume chips are highly integrated chips with PA
and RFIC, and clearly not focused on moving into this space (read: chips for
mobile phones and low cost home router Wi-Fi chips).
One of the reasons we love Quantenna…clean division of baseband chip and
external customizable RFIC/PA, etc.
Cheers,
Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO Co-Founder
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From: Josh Reynolds
Reply-To: af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 2:20 PM
To: Bill Prince
Cc: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Beam forming was an optional part of 802.11n.
There are two types of beamforming, antenna based and chip/tx based.
802.11AC is significantly more efficient than 802.11N when it comes to protocol
overhead, however the majority of the speed gain is from higher order
modulations coupled with larger channel sizes. BTW, 160MHz wide channels are on
the horizon for 802.11AC rev3.
MU-MIMO is nice.
I would not expect to ever see a 2.4GHz AC chipset on the mass market at
reasonable pricing, even for ISPs. Too little to gain, on various fronts.
On Mar 13, 2015 1:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If the only way to gain more throughput in AC (over N) is to increase the
channel size, then there is no significant gain in AC.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:42 PM, Vince West wrote:
To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming.
But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with AC in
2.4Ghz? I don't know the standard really well aside from it's obvious gains.
The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are the increased speeds
and beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And better range.
It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in 2.4Ghz
but the main argument I have heard against it is that there isn't enough
spectrum.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote:
There are chipsets and I believe that one of the manufacturers are going
to do one.
Regards,
Chuck
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote:
I get their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies
that .ac has over .n even on the same channel size?
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Vince West
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I can't attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few years
ago and saved it just for a question like this.
Why is 802.11ac 5Ghz only?
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
wrote:
Afaik 5ghz only
Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From: Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net
Reply-To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Date: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 4:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Is the 802.11ac spec only a 5 GHz spec or will we eventually see it in
2.4 Ghz?
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
www.pdmnet.com
pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
I'm having signal problems is why I ask. I'm not sure if the radio or sector is to blame, though. Everyone else's comment is all noise. In my case I'd like to see a better signal than the 5.1 on the same sector =/ Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 8:28 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more of it this year. On 3/13/2015 6:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
We have about 250 2.4 SMs deployed with pretty good success. Where we have had some issues are... 1) direct competitor interference in the band. It does OK but FSK seemed to do much better at it, but probably because of the lesser SNR requirements as much as the modulation. One tower out of 10 has this issue for us. 2) highly concentrated neighborhoods where the neighbors house with his wiz-bang overkill home router causes gried. TIPS: 1) Use Mikrotik routers EVERYWHERE, EVERY customer... to control the 2.4 local environment as much as possible, scan for problems etc. 2) Be conscious about what Frequency boxes are checked in the SMs. Obviously avoid the frequency you have the router at. If you don't have a second AP that has a good enough signal (-65 or less) and the customer is NOT on the edge of a sector, you can keep the second frequency checked If you have a poor second AP signal OR you have a customer installed on a sector edge, check ONLY the one frequency of the good (proper angled) AP Doing this, your eDedects will be happy, and you give yourself the best chance for success. We actually are writing some SNMP backend stuff to help point out problems in all these areas, and proactively fix them Paul -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP? Haven't even bought any. We're thinking about not even buying any more 2.4 450. It's just too noisy. All the wifi in neighborhoods, customer's router interfering with the SM, etc. It's pretty much as horrible as 900 these days. And if we don't get to keep 5.7 ISM.. things are gonna get shitty. 3GHz is the only place to go, so we're gonna be doing a bunch more of it this year. On 3/13/2015 6:48 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I haven't seen anybody doing true 3x3 outdoors at any decent range, as of yet.
On Mar 13, 2015 2:36 PM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote:
3x3 and beam forming would come in handy on 2.4, both of which are
available with 802.11n specs, just rare as hen’s teeth in
practice.You’d think someone could convince Atheros to build the
chip.
From: Jaime Fink
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:32 PM
To: af@afmug.com ; Bill Prince
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
Chips that are 2 stage without integrated RFIC I think you will see will
work just fine with no cost hit at all.
You’re right though, most high volume chips are highly integrated chips
with PA and RFIC, and clearly not focused on moving into this space (read: chips
for mobile phones and low cost home router Wi-Fi chips).
One of the reasons we love Quantenna…clean division of baseband chip and
external customizable RFIC/PA, etc.
Cheers,
Jaime
Fink •
Mimosa • CPO
Co-Founder
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From: Josh ReynoldsReply-To: af@afmug.comDate: Friday, March 13, 2015 at 2:20
PMTo: Bill PrinceCc: af@afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] AC spec available in
2.4?
Beam forming was an optional part of 802.11n.
There are two types of beamforming, antenna based and chip/tx
based.
802.11AC is significantly more efficient than 802.11N when it comes
to protocol overhead, however the majority of the speed gain is from higher
order modulations coupled with larger channel sizes. BTW, 160MHz wide channels
are on the horizon for 802.11AC rev3.
MU-MIMO is nice.
I would not expect to ever see a 2.4GHz AC chipset on the mass
market at reasonable pricing, even for ISPs. Too little to gain, on various
fronts.
On Mar 13, 2015 1:02 PM, Bill Prince part15sbs@gmail.com wrote:
If the only way to gain more throughput in AC (over N) is to increase the
channel size, then there is no significant gain in AC.bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 1:42 PM, Vince West wrote:
To an extent. More range, more speed, beamforming.
But are you really gaining anything in the smaller channel sizes with
AC in 2.4Ghz? I dont know the standard really well aside from its obvious
gains. The main things, AFAIK, that are beneficial from AC are the increased
speeds and beamforming. I understand where beamforming is important. And
better range.
It would be interesting to know what can be gained from 802.11ac in
2.4Ghz but the main argument I have heard against it is that there isnt
enough spectrum.
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:40 PM, Chuck Hogg chuck@shelbybb.com
wrote:
There are chipsets and I believe that one of the
manufacturers are going to do one.
Regards,Chuck
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Paul McCall paulm@pdmnet.net wrote:
I get
their explanation…. BUT… isn’t there some general efficiencies that .ac
has over .n even on the same channel size?
From: Af [mailto:af-bounces@afmug.com] On
Behalf Of Vince WestSent: Friday, March 13, 2015 4:27
PMTo: af@afmug.comSubject: Re:
[AFMUG] AC spec available in 2.4?
I cant attest to the accuracy, but I found this on the web a few
years ago and saved it just for a question like this.
Why
is 802.11ac 5Ghz only?
Vince West
Tower Hand
Technical Support
Shelby Broadband
148 Citizens Blvd
Simpsonville, KY 40067
Phone: 1-888-364-4232
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Gino Villarini gav@aeronetpr.com wrote:
Afaik 5ghz only
Gino
A. Villarini
President
Aeronet
Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr
From:
Paul
[AFMUG] Any success with 2.4 ePMP?
I've heard of several networks having problems with it for one reason or another, generally the inability to coexist with FSK. Does any one network have some success with them? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.comhttp://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.netmailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.commailto:ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.commailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110tel:419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic possibility. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.commailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done if you didn't care about having
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Hrm. It's doing a bit over 10Mbps/1MHz (AF5). Rumored 1024QAM. GPS sync, less than 24W. Better noise immunity than even AirPrism (although it is exceptionally good) in initial testing. Connectorized... So it's only niche is GPS sync? Really? For $399? With as low latency? What am I missing here? -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 10:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Langeler *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net mailto:af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com *To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config
Re: [AFMUG] Surplus fiber
Fiber + copper may be quite useful for tower applications. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chris Fabien ch...@lakenetmi.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 8:37:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Surplus fiber Well the BX006 is 6 strand fiber, probably tight buffered cable (not loose tube). There is some copper in that lot as well, looks like it may be some type of hybrid cable with a few fiber strands and some copper (I see spade style electrical connectors and molex style). Not worth buying in my opinion. It's not outside plant style fiber. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:19 PM, Jay Weekley par...@cyberbroadband.net wrote: One of our partners found some surplus fiber nearby but being new to fiber I can't really make much of the descriptions like what the strand count is, loose tube versus tight buffer etc. Is it even worth considering buying it? http://www.govliquidation.com/ auction/view?auctionId= 9122707convertTo=USD Description: 7360 lbs (apprx) Fiber optic cable. SN's include: 548, 580, 518, 536, 563, 551, 547, 564, 382, 389, 314, 029, 513, 538, 398, 276, a tri-wall box of Telecast fiber Systems, tac-4-sm-HD, 5-Aug-2008 and one spool Optical Cable Corporation, BX006-090K-5LX, single mode laser ultra for Plenum Type: OFNP (UL), 6-Jun-2008. Weight includes spools, plts and box. Mutilation not required. GL WILL LOAD OPEN TOP CONTAINERS, FLAT BEDS AND DUMP TRUCKS. THE VIEWING FOR THIS LOT IS 3/13 AND 3/16 FROM 7:30 AM UNTIL 1:30 PM BY APPOINTMENT ONLY. PLEASE CONTACT SITE 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE FOR AN APPOINTMENT @ 256-881-6134 . Mutilation not required.
[AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
Good morning, For those of you using Force 110's. Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
I've put together at least a dozen of those dishes. None broke. I quite like the dish performance wise. I'd like to see an attach point, though. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 9:01 AM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc t...@franklinisp.net wrote: Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? *Tyson Burris, President* *Internet Communications Inc.* *739 Commerce Dr.* *Franklin, IN 46131* *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net [image: ICI] *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If you need the noise immunity, you probably need the sync as well. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 1:41:32 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Hrm. It's doing a bit over 10Mbps/1MHz (AF5). Rumored 1024QAM. GPS sync, less than 24W. Better noise immunity than even AirPrism (although it is exceptionally good) in initial testing. Connectorized... So it's only niche is GPS sync? Really? For $399? With as low latency? What am I missing here? -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 10:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: blockquote I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: blockquote We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't
[AFMUG] [FS] Training
Time is short and there are not many seats left for either of these... Currently 2 training events scheduled: Course: Mikrotik RouterOS Firewall Training Date: March 18, 2015 Course Length: 1 day (about 7 hours) Location: ONLINE Registration: http://store.wispgear.net/ Course: Mikrotik Routing ONLINE Date: March 25, 2015 Course Length: 1 day Location: ONLINE Registration: http://store.wispgear.net/ Cost per course is $350. If you purchase both courses together, you can get both for $650 by using the coupon code 2COURSE at checkout. To get the discount, you MUST order both courses together. I am working on the IPv6 course, which I plan to have ready for late April timeframe. Additionally, the QOS and VPN courses will be ready to go in April. Also note that I will be adding a full MTCNA+ Event soon as well. Looking at the possibility of going the the Miami MUM and doing a wireless (MTCWE) training. Who else is planning to go to Miami? -- Butch Evans 702-537-0979 Network Support and Engineering http://store.wispgear.net/ http://www.butchevans.com/
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
You can buy galvanzied unistrut. If I was a tower owner and seen someone put that Unistrut crap on my tower I would kick them off. That stuff is only ZINC plated and will eventually rust. I was on a tower once that had some of that stuff on top and some hilljack welded it together. Ended up having to use a saw-zaw to get it off. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim
[AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw Luneburg Lens array How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
[AFMUG] 450 AP and CIR.
We are looking at other ways to sell bandwidth. Looking at the big guys and how their speeds are all over the map during peak times, but you seem to get a decent chunk of the pie during peak times is interesting as a business model. What if you sell up to 30 mbps with a CIR of 2 mbps, leave all the SM's at unlimited throttling. That way if a customer is one of the only users on the AP sucking down bandwidth, they would see the 30 mbps. Makes them happy to see very fast speeds during non peak times. Obviously, during peak times, 7pm to 12 am, they would be guaranteed their 2 mbps. Kind of like what Verizon and ATT do in bigger cities. - Has anyone done something like this? Does it work well? - How well does the AP handle load balancing as subscribers use the available wireless bandwidith? We would like to stack AP's to lower the overall SM count on each AP to keep the CIR within available bandwidth. Say, put max 40 users on each AP at 2 mbps CIR. - If one of the stacked AP's fails and the SM's jump to the other one, what happens if the CIR is greater than the sum of the AP? -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
Not sure of a better option other than maybe trying the ITElite panels. We've mauled a few of the dainty pigtails off the feedhorns but haven't broke the tabs yet. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:01 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn Good morning, For those of you using Force 110's... Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If there's a cheaper product out there that performs better, I sure don't know what it is... the B5lite can technically do more bandwidth for less money I guess, but that's not really comparable due to the antennas. On Mar 13, 2015 1:41 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Hrm. It's doing a bit over 10Mbps/1MHz (AF5). Rumored 1024QAM. GPS sync, less than 24W. Better noise immunity than even AirPrism (although it is exceptionally good) in initial testing. Connectorized... So it's only niche is GPS sync? Really? For $399? With as low latency? What am I missing here? -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 10:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jon Langeler *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
and lack of sync. They're all great products. We're really seeing a nice revolution here and it's not all ac. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com To: af af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 8:37:43 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question If there's a cheaper product out there that performs better, I sure don't know what it is... the B5lite can technically do more bandwidth for less money I guess, but that's not really comparable due to the antennas. On Mar 13, 2015 1:41 AM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: Hrm. It's doing a bit over 10Mbps/1MHz (AF5). Rumored 1024QAM. GPS sync, less than 24W. Better noise immunity than even AirPrism (although it is exceptionally good) in initial testing. Connectorized... So it's only niche is GPS sync? Really? For $399? With as low latency? What am I missing here? -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 10:15 PM, Paul McCall wrote: blockquote I agree with this assessment Jon. There are plenty of other products that can get you whatever BW you need (cheaper) with adaptive. If you are looking at AirFiber 5x, you are almost definitely doing that for the Sync of 2 or more links off a tower. That’s the niche of the product as far as I see it. We have 5 links on order and are excited about hanging them From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:53 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: blockquote I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: blockquote Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with
[AFMUG] FS: pmp430 AP's
I have 3 PMP430 AP's that are 5.4ghz looking to sell. Will take $800.00 for all 3. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
itelite feels super cheap to me. Just a heads up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 11:55 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: Not sure of a better option other than maybe trying the ITElite panels. We've mauled a few of the dainty pigtails off the feedhorns but haven't broke the tabs yet. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc *Sent:* Friday, March 13, 2015 9:01 AM *To:* memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? *Tyson Burris, President* *Internet Communications Inc.* *739 Commerce Dr.* *Franklin, IN 46131* *317-738-0320 317-738-0320 Daytime #* *317-412-1540 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct #* *Online: **www.surfici.net* http://www.surfici.net [image: ICI] *What can ICI do for you?* *Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure.* *CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the* *addressee shown. It contains information that is* *confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review,* *dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by* *unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly* *prohibited.*
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
Heck, I wish they would just make enough of what they already sell to
keep the distributors in stock.
Gr
Mark
On 3/13/15 12:01 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
A long, long time.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 8:24 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball?
--
Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
m...@amplex.net 419.837.5015 x 1021
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
They are heavy. Good concentrator for a beamforming array. But there are other methods that lighter and just as good. The actual antennas are mounted to the back side of the ball. The ball just serves as kind of a dish focusing signals from different directions to the appropriate feed antennas. From: Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW http://www.wirelessweek.com/news/2015/03/t-deploying-giant-ball-boost-capacity-sxsw Luneburg Lens array How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr
Re: [AFMUG] ATT deploying weird ball antenna at SXSW
A long, long time.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/13/2015 8:24 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
How long unti; UBNT, Cambium or Mimosa comes out with a similar ball?
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Rory
How strong and safe are them brackets?
Tim
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
We use these on locations with odd poles at lower locations.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:00 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Nice
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 2:16 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Deep Slotted strut + two 1 1/2 ten foot conduit sections with clamps = about
$30 and gives you twenty foot of sector mounting space. The MTOW product line
is amazing, but there is something to be said for a solid solution on the cheap.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
Slotted uni strut works well for this but why re invent the wheel? WB mfg has
affordable mounting options. ..
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 12:56 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
And not just plated, but dipped. Makes a big difference.
Unistrut is usually just plated. If it's a quality plating job, it might be
OK, because I see several bits of galvanized unistrut here and there, and they
look fine even after years. But I occasionally see a hunk of unistrut that
didn't have enough plating, and they will show their age.
HDG hangs in for the long haul.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 11:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I should have said MTOWP is galvanized, in other words it works, works well,
don't bother with strut =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think he was referring to unistrut. MTOW-P doesn’t have a channel
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
It's galvanized...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
MTOWP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.
Thanks Tim
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Rory
Would this hold up sector with rf armor shields on an 130ft tower?
Tim
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Very strong. Use 2-3 hose clamps, commercial ones with weight ratings. We
mount one on top one on bottom, pipe between them. Can easily handle use
hanging on them. Here we have them holding up the Mimosa’s we just put up on
a windmill.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Rory
How strong and safe are them brackets?
Tim
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
We use these on locations with odd poles at lower locations.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:00 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Nice
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 2:16 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Deep Slotted strut + two 1 1/2 ten foot conduit sections with clamps = about
$30 and gives you twenty foot of sector mounting space. The MTOW product line
is amazing, but there is something to be said for a solid solution on the cheap.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
Slotted uni strut works well for this but why re invent the wheel? WB mfg has
affordable mounting options. ..
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 12:56 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
And not just plated, but dipped. Makes a big difference.
Unistrut is usually just plated. If it's a quality plating job, it might be
OK, because I see several bits of galvanized unistrut here and there, and they
look fine even after years. But I occasionally see a hunk of unistrut that
didn't have enough plating, and they will show their age.
HDG hangs in for the long haul.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 11:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I should have said MTOWP is galvanized, in other words it works, works well,
don't bother with strut =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think he was referring to unistrut. MTOW-P doesn’t have a channel
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
It's galvanized...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
MTOWP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The
reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on
an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around
300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this.
Thanks Tim
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Normally the utilities do not own the dirt, they own the poles. So utility ROW access is explicitly called out however that means poles in my view. However, the act makes you a utility so local ROW owners have to give you equal access to the same underground ROWs. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading I was saying that previously if I wanted all that crap (including pole attachment), I could file to be a CLEC to get that. I didn't want all that crap, so I didn't file. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. Is buried ROW access included or just pole attachments? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 5:08:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Nope. No CLEC required. You are already a telecommunications provider by virtue of the new net neutrality regulations. All the benefit, none of the calories. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading but I get all of the crap of being a CLEC... and more. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Bruce Robertson br...@pooh.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 3:06:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading The point is, now you don't have to go through that hassle. On 03/12/2015 12:45 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Not that exciting as if I wanted those, I'd just file to be a CLEC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:37:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Y’all now have the rights to pole contacts and rights of way. Even though it says ROWs controlled by a utility, I am pretty sure that public entities cannot discriminate against all you telecommunications providers and have to treat you equal to the others. Just cite “network neutrality” rules if they balk. 56. Section 224: Ensuring Infrastructure Access. For broadband Internet access service, we do not forbear from section 224 and the Commission’s associated procedural rules (to the extent they apply to telecommunications carriers and services and are, thus, within the Commission’s forbearance authority).53 Section 224 of the Act governs the Commission’s regulation of pole attachments. In particular, section 224(f)(1) requires utilities to provide cable system operators and telecommunications carriers the right of “nondiscriminatory access to any pole, duct, conduit, or right-of-way owned or controlled” by a utility.54 Access to poles and other infrastructure is crucial to the efficient deployment of communications networks including, and perhaps especially, new entrants. !DSPAM:2,5501ecfa184921480014006!
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
I asked because most people around here don't use the poles. Power company and in some areas cable+phone, but not everywhere and data guys rarely (exception Windstream) use the poles. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 11:33:58 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Normally the utilities do not own the dirt, they own the poles. So utility ROW access is explicitly called out however that means poles in my view. However, the act makes you a utility so local ROW owners have to give you equal access to the same underground ROWs. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 7:12 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading I was saying that previously if I wanted all that crap (including pole attachment), I could file to be a CLEC to get that. I didn't want all that crap, so I didn't file. I haven't had a chance to read it yet. Is buried ROW access included or just pole attachments? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 5:08:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Nope. No CLEC required. You are already a telecommunications provider by virtue of the new net neutrality regulations. All the benefit, none of the calories. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading but I get all of the crap of being a CLEC... and more. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bruce Robertson br...@pooh.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 3:06:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading The point is, now you don't have to go through that hassle. On 03/12/2015 12:45 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Not that exciting as if I wanted those, I'd just file to be a CLEC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:37:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Y’all now have the rights to pole contacts and rights of way. Even though it says ROWs controlled by a utility, I am pretty sure that public entities cannot discriminate against all you telecommunications providers and have to treat you equal to the others. Just cite “network neutrality” rules if they balk. 56. Section 224: Ensuring Infrastructure Access. For broadband Internet access service, we do not forbear from section 224 and the Commission’s associated procedural rules (to the extent they apply to telecommunications carriers and services and are, thus, within the Commission’s forbearance authority).53 Section 224 of the Act governs the Commission’s regulation of pole attachments. In particular, section 224(f)(1) requires utilities to provide cable system operators and telecommunications carriers the right of “nondiscriminatory access to any pole, duct, conduit, or right-of-way owned or controlled” by a utility.54 Access to poles and other infrastructure is crucial to the efficient deployment of communications networks including, and perhaps especially, new entrants. !DSPAM:2,5501ecfa184921480014006!
Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn
They might be but seem to be working fine in the field. I didn't have to get pumped on my bowflex just to deploy one either. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 12:05 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn itelite feels super cheap to me. Just a heads up. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 13, 2015 11:55 AM, Andy Trimmell atrimm...@precisionds.com wrote: Not sure of a better option other than maybe trying the ITElite panels. We've mauled a few of the dainty pigtails off the feedhorns but haven't broke the tabs yet. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tyson Burris @ Internet Communications Inc Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 9:01 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Force 110 Feedhorn Good morning, For those of you using Force 110’s… Are you still having trouble with these Feedhorn tabs breaking? Has anyone developed a better dish for these radios? Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net http://www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited.
