Re: [AFMUG] Billing system survey rehash

[Jason Wilson]

Visp

On Sep 15, 2016 10:54 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Sonar. +1
>
> On Sep 16, 2016 12:50 AM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:
>
>> Could I trouble you all for a quick survey / recommendation on billing
>> systems?
>>
>> I've been looking at;
>>
>> Power code ( seems like too many red flags with this company)
>>
>> Platypus ( good price, but I don't want to become a dev just to bill my
>> customers)
>>
>> Visp seems like a decent option?
>>
>> Wisp Mon? Don't know much about them, prices seem high, haven't heard
>> anything bad so that's a good sign?
>>
>> Swift fox? ( Seems like unpopular option maybe because they're new?)
>>
>> Sonar? Maybe that's the one?
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Billing system survey rehash

[Josh Reynolds]

Sonar. +1

On Sep 16, 2016 12:50 AM, "TJ Trout"  wrote:

> Could I trouble you all for a quick survey / recommendation on billing
> systems?
>
> I've been looking at;
>
> Power code ( seems like too many red flags with this company)
>
> Platypus ( good price, but I don't want to become a dev just to bill my
> customers)
>
> Visp seems like a decent option?
>
> Wisp Mon? Don't know much about them, prices seem high, haven't heard
> anything bad so that's a good sign?
>
> Swift fox? ( Seems like unpopular option maybe because they're new?)
>
> Sonar? Maybe that's the one?
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Billing system survey rehash

[TJ Trout]

Could I trouble you all for a quick survey / recommendation on billing
systems?

I've been looking at;

Power code ( seems like too many red flags with this company)

Platypus ( good price, but I don't want to become a dev just to bill my
customers)

Visp seems like a decent option?

Wisp Mon? Don't know much about them, prices seem high, haven't heard
anything bad so that's a good sign?

Swift fox? ( Seems like unpopular option maybe because they're new?)

Sonar? Maybe that's the one?

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Josh Reynolds]

Well... sandvine, wind river, etc can cost more than a nice house in San
Francisco. :)

On Sep 15, 2016 11:40 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> I forgot to caveat the "I want to" with the "I have 0 funding from the
> boss purse"
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
>
>> Sandvine :-D
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>
>> ConVergence Technologies
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage
>>
>>
>>
>> Procera :P
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> so we got this:
>>
>> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We
>> have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days
>> that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
>> days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us
>> or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
>> Thanks!
>> --"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do
>> this you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
>> youre cheating us" in a real catty voice
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction,
>> the kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house
>> with netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
>> arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
>>
>>
>>
>> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
>> whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
>> this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
>> edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
>> 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
>> drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
>> company. .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>  Virus-free.
>> www.avast.com
>> 
>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I forgot to caveat the "I want to" with the "I have 0 funding from the boss
purse"

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

> Sandvine :-D
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage
>
>
>
> Procera :P
>
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> so we got this:
>
> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We
> have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days
> that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
> days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us
> or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
> Thanks!
> --"
>
>
>
>
>
> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do this
> you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
> youre cheating us" in a real catty voice
>
>
>
>
>
> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction, the
> kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house with
> netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
>
>
>
>
>
> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
> arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
>
>
>
> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
> whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
> this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
> edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
> 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
> drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
> company. .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
>



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Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[fiberrun]

> Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.
  Looking at FY15 financials, their Telecoms division made $3.7M and lost 
$1.7M. So they need "only" 285 gig customers to break even. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] cn pilot e400 AP

[George Skorup]

Start a thread on the Cambium community site? Open a ticket with 
support? I don't see why they'd leave out WMM support.


You have the e400(s) plugged into what? Direct to a MT? Have you ran 
torch and looked at/for DSCP tags? Some devices like to tag RTP with 
DSCP 46 (EF) while others like to use DSCP 56. Gotta love how there's 
always more than one standard.


On 9/15/2016 10:12 PM, David Milholen wrote:


Ok,

It has 802.11r and 802.11W as well as client isolation but these are 
not what I am looking for VOIP Priority


Got some gadgity if thats even a word.. That want to use soft phones 
every where...UGH! The complaints start with


My calls sound garbled or broken and so on... WELL DOH! Its Wifi get a 
hardline LOL




On 9/15/2016 9:24 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I thought the cnPilot e400 and e500 does the standard wifi 
WMM/802.11e stuff?


On 9/15/2016 9:03 PM, David Milholen wrote:


Yeah,

 I guess I could go ahead and QOS the vlan I have on there in question.

I have one Guest VLAN and one business VLAN each one is tied to a 
WLAN not a sub of that WLAN like a guest network


So that means I have to set up queues and priorities on the mikrotik.

UGH!



On 9/15/2016 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I have one at home.  Nothing about QoS but you can do VLANs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave > wrote:


Anyone deployed these yet...

I am looking to see if there is a voip qos setting in them



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Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Daniel White]

Sandvine :-D



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage



Procera :P



On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:




so we got this:

"Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We have 
looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days that we 
have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then days we are 
home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us or recommend 
someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly? Thanks!
--"





this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do this you 
people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules, youre 
cheating us" in a real catty voice





screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction, the kids 
game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house with netflix 
on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.





but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We arent 
providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out



we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So whats the 
best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track this down, in 
our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the edge, and for the 
firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the 10 percent and if you 
guys who know more than me can spit out a script to drop in to monitor this 
customer I can pretend I have value within th company. .







If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



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Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Justin Wilson]

My .02 this is a managed service type of thing.  If they are asking for this 
then you bill at standard hourly rate. Put a transparent PFsense box on their 
connection with BandwidthD http://bandwidthd.sourceforge.net/ 
 and NTopPNG.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

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http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Sep 15, 2016, at 11:10 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Doesn't Untangle professional version offer these options and traffic traps? 
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2016 9:00 PM, "Jeremy"  > wrote:
> You can run tcpdump and filter by their IP on the BMU.  It doesn't give much 
> for details, but I have used it before at a customer's request and I was able 
> to at least tell them what IP addresses their network was currently talking 
> to, and run whois on them.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> lol, for my requested purpose other than dpi, i dont think the mutli 10k 
> solution we were quoted was it.
> 
> 
> not being a jerk, but if the unit is on your network, how does it mitigate a 
> ddos? will it speak with my upstream that doesnt support blackholes with bgp?
> is it working with powercode again since it broke operations with powercode?
> will they provide me a document that says theyre legal with the whole "open 
> internet" nonsense
> 
> I really liked them, til we priced them. We invested with netenforcer some 
> time ago, it was great at the time because p2p was so destructive to a 
> network at the time, but once we moved bandidth beyond a couple T1s they 
> decided we needed a good old fashioned no spit raping. I say the same 
> structure in procera... then the powercode break happenned, and I didnt care 
> if it got resolved, it broke.
> 
> 
> I can toss a sniifer on or dump a mirrored port. I think I may have indicated 
> I care more than I do. I was primarily asking if my current environment had a 
> tool that consiststed of this much work: what IP are you curious about? (I 
> input the IP, maybe click my mouse less than 10 times and key in less than 
> ten more digits) and i come bak and have a torchish output saying what 
> happenned.
> 
> if it doesnt stay within that simple of a solution with the gear I have, I 
> dont really care to give the ten percent who arent dicks any different answer 
> than the 90 who are
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
> Huh?
> 
> DPI? QoS? DDOS Protection? CGNAT? Customer Support Tools?
> 
> You talk a lot about a product it doesn't seem like you've ever used.
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2016 8:42 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:
> yeah, crazy thing about that, not looking to drop multiple 10ks at once to 
> have a nice guy on a product that quits working with the management system 
> and is questionably legal beyond monitoring :-)
> 
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Josh Reynolds  > wrote:
> Procera :P
> 
> 
> On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"  > wrote:
> 
> so we got this:
> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We have 
> looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days that we 
> have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then days we are 
> home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us or recommend 
> someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly? Thanks!
> --"
> 
> 
> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do this 
> you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules, youre 
> cheating us" in a real catty voice
> 
> 
> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction, the 
> kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house with 
> netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
> 
> 
> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We arent 
> providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
> 
> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So whats 
> the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track this down, 
> in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the edge, and for 
> the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the 10 percent and if 
> you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to drop in to monitor 
> this customer I can pretend I have value within th company. .
> 
> 
> 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
> part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 

Re: [AFMUG] cn pilot e400 AP

[David Milholen]

Ok,

It has 802.11r and 802.11W as well as client isolation but these are not 
what I am looking for VOIP Priority


Got some gadgity if thats even a word.. That want to use soft phones 
every where...UGH! The complaints start with


My calls sound garbled or broken and so on... WELL DOH! Its Wifi get a 
hardline LOL




On 9/15/2016 9:24 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I thought the cnPilot e400 and e500 does the standard wifi WMM/802.11e 
stuff?


On 9/15/2016 9:03 PM, David Milholen wrote:


Yeah,

 I guess I could go ahead and QOS the vlan I have on there in question.

I have one Guest VLAN and one business VLAN each one is tied to a 
WLAN not a sub of that WLAN like a guest network


So that means I have to set up queues and priorities on the mikrotik.

UGH!



On 9/15/2016 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I have one at home.  Nothing about QoS but you can do VLANs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave > wrote:


Anyone deployed these yet...

I am looking to see if there is a voip qos setting in them



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Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Jaime Solorza]

Doesn't Untangle professional version offer these options and traffic
traps?

On Sep 15, 2016 9:00 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:

> You can run tcpdump and filter by their IP on the BMU.  It doesn't give
> much for details, but I have used it before at a customer's request and I
> was able to at least tell them what IP addresses their network was
> currently talking to, and run whois on them.
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> lol, for my requested purpose other than dpi, i dont think the mutli 10k
>> solution we were quoted was it.
>>
>>
>> not being a jerk, but if the unit is on your network, how does it
>> mitigate a ddos? will it speak with my upstream that doesnt support
>> blackholes with bgp?
>> is it working with powercode again since it broke operations with
>> powercode?
>> will they provide me a document that says theyre legal with the whole
>> "open internet" nonsense
>>
>> I really liked them, til we priced them. We invested with netenforcer
>> some time ago, it was great at the time because p2p was so destructive to a
>> network at the time, but once we moved bandidth beyond a couple T1s they
>> decided we needed a good old fashioned no spit raping. I say the same
>> structure in procera... then the powercode break happenned, and I didnt
>> care if it got resolved, it broke.
>>
>>
>> I can toss a sniifer on or dump a mirrored port. I think I may have
>> indicated I care more than I do. I was primarily asking if my current
>> environment had a tool that consiststed of this much work: what IP are you
>> curious about? (I input the IP, maybe click my mouse less than 10 times and
>> key in less than ten more digits) and i come bak and have a torchish output
>> saying what happenned.
>>
>> if it doesnt stay within that simple of a solution with the gear I have,
>> I dont really care to give the ten percent who arent dicks any different
>> answer than the 90 who are
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Huh?
>>>
>>> DPI? QoS? DDOS Protection? CGNAT? Customer Support Tools?
>>>
>>> You talk a lot about a product it doesn't seem like you've ever used.
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2016 8:42 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> yeah, crazy thing about that, not looking to drop multiple 10ks at once
>>> to have a nice guy on a product that quits working with the management
>>> system and is questionably legal beyond monitoring :-)
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Procera :P

 On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> so we got this:
> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data?
> We have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are 
> days
> that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
> days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help 
> us
> or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
> Thanks!
> --"
>
>
> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do
> this you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow 
> rules,
> youre cheating us" in a real catty voice
>
>
> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction,
> the kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house
> with netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
>
>
> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know.
> We arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
>
> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
> whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
> this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
> edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
> 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
> drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
> company. .
>
>
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Possible gig in Mesquite Nevada

[Jaime Solorza]

I will... Thanks

On Sep 15, 2016 9:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Mesquite has pretty nice weather year around.  Similar to Las Vegas.  You
> might run into a storm in Flagstaff though.
> Keep us posted.  I might find an excuse to go visit my son in St George
> and you too.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:41 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Possible gig in Mesquite Nevada
>
>
> We might have a show in casino in Mesquite Nv in November Good
> money!!!Looking at routes If my wife and I were going alone we
> would cut north right before Flagstaff on 89 to 59 to I 15...will see if
> contract gets signed Wonder what weather will like up there in
> November?   Kind of excited...
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Possible gig in Mesquite Nevada

[Chuck McCown]

Mesquite has pretty nice weather year around.  Similar to Las Vegas.  You might 
run into a storm in Flagstaff though.   
Keep us posted.  I might find an excuse to go visit my son in St George and you 
too.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT.. Possible gig in Mesquite Nevada

We might have a show in casino in Mesquite Nv in November Good money!!!
Looking at routes If my wife and I were going alone we would cut north 
right before Flagstaff on 89 to 59 to I 15...will see if contract gets 
signed Wonder what weather will like up there in November?   Kind of 
excited... 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SCADA

[Jaime Solorza]

According to answer presenter gave to my full duplex question,  they are
not... Also 5 Watts in MAS bands is useful for NLOS and penetration from my
plus 20 years doing SCADA links.   Some links leave you scratching your
head.

On Sep 15, 2016 9:00 PM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

> Dual radios allows full duplex.  Although I’ll admit tech training has
> been light so far, so I could be wrong on that.
>
>
>
> The 700MHz radio is 5W.  The 900MHz depends on frequency band… 1W or 3W.
>
>
>
> 5W in 900MHz UL isn’t useful anyways.  1W is just fine.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 1:21 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SCADA
>
>
>
> But MDS is full duplex and 5 Watts unless something has changed on their
> MAS solutions...
>
>
>
> On Sep 15, 2016 11:03 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:
>
> They designed it specifically to replace MDS
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:05 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SCADA
>
>
>
> Dual Radio...MAS and ISM in one boxcurrently, one of my largest
> clients is using two radios as repeater point,   Licensed to base station
> (i.e. water tank) and then ISM radio as base station to several wells or
> lift stations that have no line of sight back to MAS base station.   So
> this one unit with dual radios is kind of interesting.   Of course, it has
> to prove itself against MDS systems.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Watching SCADA seminar.  CNreach products are interesting
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Virus-free. www.avast.com
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Jeremy]

You can run tcpdump and filter by their IP on the BMU.  It doesn't give
much for details, but I have used it before at a customer's request and I
was able to at least tell them what IP addresses their network was
currently talking to, and run whois on them.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:45 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> lol, for my requested purpose other than dpi, i dont think the mutli 10k
> solution we were quoted was it.
>
>
> not being a jerk, but if the unit is on your network, how does it mitigate
> a ddos? will it speak with my upstream that doesnt support blackholes with
> bgp?
> is it working with powercode again since it broke operations with
> powercode?
> will they provide me a document that says theyre legal with the whole
> "open internet" nonsense
>
> I really liked them, til we priced them. We invested with netenforcer some
> time ago, it was great at the time because p2p was so destructive to a
> network at the time, but once we moved bandidth beyond a couple T1s they
> decided we needed a good old fashioned no spit raping. I say the same
> structure in procera... then the powercode break happenned, and I didnt
> care if it got resolved, it broke.
>
>
> I can toss a sniifer on or dump a mirrored port. I think I may have
> indicated I care more than I do. I was primarily asking if my current
> environment had a tool that consiststed of this much work: what IP are you
> curious about? (I input the IP, maybe click my mouse less than 10 times and
> key in less than ten more digits) and i come bak and have a torchish output
> saying what happenned.
>
> if it doesnt stay within that simple of a solution with the gear I have, I
> dont really care to give the ten percent who arent dicks any different
> answer than the 90 who are
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh?
>>
>> DPI? QoS? DDOS Protection? CGNAT? Customer Support Tools?
>>
>> You talk a lot about a product it doesn't seem like you've ever used.
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2016 8:42 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> yeah, crazy thing about that, not looking to drop multiple 10ks at once
>> to have a nice guy on a product that quits working with the management
>> system and is questionably legal beyond monitoring :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Procera :P
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

 so we got this:
 "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We
 have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days
 that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
 days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us
 or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
 Thanks!
 --"


 this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do
 this you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
 youre cheating us" in a real catty voice


 screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction,
 the kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house
 with netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.


 but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
 arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out

 we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
 whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
 this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
 edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
 drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
 company. .



 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Josh Reynolds]

We acquired several python scripts that would drop traffic on it, but they
could also be configured to communicate to a router or other device via CLI
or API to black hole or tarpit. One of the perks of the platform.

No idea about power code. The sonar guys support it now I believe.

I vacated the fiber company and took on a contractor role with the USDA
National Information Technology Center (fed data center) - better benefits,
and greatly reduced stress.

Open Internet... We've talked about this. You should speak with your telco
aware lawyer... You have one on retainer, right? If not WISPA could likely
provide one of theirs for a reduced fee.

I'm sure you can find some hacky janky shit in mikrotik to get you 50% of
what you are looking for... Netflow doesn't really cut it though, for
several well documented reasons that 5 minutes googling NANOG presentations
can explain.

Mikrotik is a decent platform with a wide range of tools, but don't assume
its the best for any task. Then again, it may still meet your needs. If so,
great. YMMV.

On Sep 15, 2016 9:45 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> lol, for my requested purpose other than dpi, i dont think the mutli 10k
> solution we were quoted was it.
>
>
> not being a jerk, but if the unit is on your network, how does it mitigate
> a ddos? will it speak with my upstream that doesnt support blackholes with
> bgp?
> is it working with powercode again since it broke operations with
> powercode?
> will they provide me a document that says theyre legal with the whole
> "open internet" nonsense
>
> I really liked them, til we priced them. We invested with netenforcer some
> time ago, it was great at the time because p2p was so destructive to a
> network at the time, but once we moved bandidth beyond a couple T1s they
> decided we needed a good old fashioned no spit raping. I say the same
> structure in procera... then the powercode break happenned, and I didnt
> care if it got resolved, it broke.
>
>
> I can toss a sniifer on or dump a mirrored port. I think I may have
> indicated I care more than I do. I was primarily asking if my current
> environment had a tool that consiststed of this much work: what IP are you
> curious about? (I input the IP, maybe click my mouse less than 10 times and
> key in less than ten more digits) and i come bak and have a torchish output
> saying what happenned.
>
> if it doesnt stay within that simple of a solution with the gear I have, I
> dont really care to give the ten percent who arent dicks any different
> answer than the 90 who are
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Huh?
>>
>> DPI? QoS? DDOS Protection? CGNAT? Customer Support Tools?
>>
>> You talk a lot about a product it doesn't seem like you've ever used.
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2016 8:42 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> yeah, crazy thing about that, not looking to drop multiple 10ks at once
>> to have a nice guy on a product that quits working with the management
>> system and is questionably legal beyond monitoring :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Procera :P
>>>
>>> On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>

 so we got this:
 "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We
 have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days
 that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
 days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us
 or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
 Thanks!
 --"


 this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do
 this you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
 youre cheating us" in a real catty voice


 screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction,
 the kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house
 with netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.


 but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
 arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out

 we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
 whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
 this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
 edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
 drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
 company. .



 If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
 team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you

Re: [AFMUG] cn pilot e400 AP

[David Milholen]

Ya know I think ur correct

Let me check



On 9/15/2016 9:24 PM, George Skorup wrote:
I thought the cnPilot e400 and e500 does the standard wifi WMM/802.11e 
stuff?


On 9/15/2016 9:03 PM, David Milholen wrote:


Yeah,

 I guess I could go ahead and QOS the vlan I have on there in question.

I have one Guest VLAN and one business VLAN each one is tied to a 
WLAN not a sub of that WLAN like a guest network


So that means I have to set up queues and priorities on the mikrotik.

UGH!



On 9/15/2016 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I have one at home.  Nothing about QoS but you can do VLANs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave > wrote:


Anyone deployed these yet...

I am looking to see if there is a voip qos setting in them



-- 





--




--

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yep, $168 each for these enclosures.   I checked into their volume work,
and my recollection there isn't enough of a price reduction to mention.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:

> have you tried http://protocase.com/ I have used them for some customer
> Mikrotik cases in the past. They were pretty reasonable for a run of less
> than 50 for what I was doing at the time.
>
> On 9/15/2016 8:00 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:
>
>> Forrest, Maybe try http://www.plinkusa.net/1u.htm
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>>
>> @!#?@!.
>>
>> My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be
>> AWOL.   Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the
>> past few months, but now it comes time to actually finalize prints
>> and order the first batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending
>> them a finalized drawing and asking for instructions on how to get
>> these ordered is a good way to get them to quit responding.
>>
>> I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on
>> vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.
>>
>> If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in
>> reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year,
>> hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable
>> price, I'd appreciate the lead.
>>
>> I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud,
>> OKW, Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them
>> and can get them modified at a price which I think all of you can
>> afford.  Past experience indicates to me that there is a good chance
>> that this isn't going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com
>>  | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>  <
>> http://facebook.com/packetflux> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

lol, for my requested purpose other than dpi, i dont think the mutli 10k
solution we were quoted was it.


not being a jerk, but if the unit is on your network, how does it mitigate
a ddos? will it speak with my upstream that doesnt support blackholes with
bgp?
is it working with powercode again since it broke operations with powercode?
will they provide me a document that says theyre legal with the whole "open
internet" nonsense

I really liked them, til we priced them. We invested with netenforcer some
time ago, it was great at the time because p2p was so destructive to a
network at the time, but once we moved bandidth beyond a couple T1s they
decided we needed a good old fashioned no spit raping. I say the same
structure in procera... then the powercode break happenned, and I didnt
care if it got resolved, it broke.


I can toss a sniifer on or dump a mirrored port. I think I may have
indicated I care more than I do. I was primarily asking if my current
environment had a tool that consiststed of this much work: what IP are you
curious about? (I input the IP, maybe click my mouse less than 10 times and
key in less than ten more digits) and i come bak and have a torchish output
saying what happenned.

if it doesnt stay within that simple of a solution with the gear I have, I
dont really care to give the ten percent who arent dicks any different
answer than the 90 who are


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Huh?
>
> DPI? QoS? DDOS Protection? CGNAT? Customer Support Tools?
>
> You talk a lot about a product it doesn't seem like you've ever used.
>
> On Sep 15, 2016 8:42 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> yeah, crazy thing about that, not looking to drop multiple 10ks at once to
> have a nice guy on a product that quits working with the management system
> and is questionably legal beyond monitoring :-)
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> Procera :P
>>
>> On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> so we got this:
>>> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We
>>> have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days
>>> that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
>>> days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us
>>> or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
>>> Thanks!
>>> --"
>>>
>>>
>>> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do
>>> this you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
>>> youre cheating us" in a real catty voice
>>>
>>>
>>> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction,
>>> the kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house
>>> with netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
>>>
>>>
>>> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
>>> arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
>>>
>>> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
>>> whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
>>> this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
>>> edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
>>> 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
>>> drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
>>> company. .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Possible gig in Mesquite Nevada

[Josh Reynolds]

In November? Well, its right near the Snow Bowl :)

On Sep 15, 2016 9:41 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> We might have a show in casino in Mesquite Nv in November Good
> money!!!Looking at routes If my wife and I were going alone we
> would cut north right before Flagstaff on 89 to 59 to I 15...will see if
> contract gets signed Wonder what weather will like up there in
> November?   Kind of excited...
>

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Jaime Solorza]

Hum?  Sex in wireless Has a ring to it

On Sep 15, 2016 7:20 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> yeahbut, tain’t fiber.  No sex in wireless.
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
> And that is why Google is finally figuring out that wireless is cheaper.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Fiber has a very long usable life.  Probably 75 years or more.
>
>
>
> 43 month doubling your money is like 8% ROI.  Not too bad.
>
>
>
> Then at month 44 it is infinite ROI.  How can you complain about that?
>
>
>
> *From:* Travis Johnson 
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:56 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI.
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/15/2016 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.
>
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500
> for gig speeds?
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you
> hammered me.
>
>
>
> We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if
> CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps
> circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change
> although that’s early results.   We are finding price is better.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
>
>
> I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain
> when they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to
> seethey did not see an unusually large change just because service was
> wide open
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or
> 3 times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never
> increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an
> increase in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.
>
>
>
> What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a
> significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the
> next thing  you gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can
> watch at one time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most
> folks will not even fully utilize 50M in the near future.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Interesting.
>
>
>
> Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the
> 110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less
> revenue per month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably
> the marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out
> that actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
>
>
> One subscriber at the gig level
>
>
>
> http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-
> broadband-subscriber/
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] OT.. Possible gig in Mesquite Nevada

[Jaime Solorza]

We might have a show in casino in Mesquite Nv in November Good
money!!!Looking at routes If my wife and I were going alone we
would cut north right before Flagstaff on 89 to 59 to I 15...will see if
contract gets signed Wonder what weather will like up there in
November?   Kind of excited...

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Brian Webster]

Forrest,

A good friend of mine runs this company http://www.vadcon.com/ 
they make custom patch panels and such, he may be able to help you. Call there 
and ask for Rich and tell him I sent you.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

 

Forrest, Maybe try http://www.plinkusa.net/1u.htm

 

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

@!#?@!.  

 

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.   Lots 
of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months, but now it 
comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first batch, and well.. 
nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and asking for 
instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get them to quit 
responding.

 

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on vacation, 
they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.  

 

If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in reasonable 
quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, hopefully lots more 
than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price, I'd appreciate the lead.

 

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, Hammond, 
Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get them modified 
at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past experience indicates to 
me that there is a good chance that this isn't going to be productive, which is 
why I'm asking.

 

-- 


Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602

  forre...@imach.com |   
http://www.packetflux.com

       
 

     

   

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] cn pilot e400 AP

[George Skorup]

I thought the cnPilot e400 and e500 does the standard wifi WMM/802.11e 
stuff?


On 9/15/2016 9:03 PM, David Milholen wrote:


Yeah,

 I guess I could go ahead and QOS the vlan I have on there in question.

I have one Guest VLAN and one business VLAN each one is tied to a WLAN 
not a sub of that WLAN like a guest network


So that means I have to set up queues and priorities on the mikrotik.

UGH!



On 9/15/2016 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I have one at home.  Nothing about QoS but you can do VLANs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave > wrote:


Anyone deployed these yet...

I am looking to see if there is a voip qos setting in them



-- 





--

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Trey Scarborough]

have you tried http://protocase.com/ I have used them for some customer 
Mikrotik cases in the past. They were pretty reasonable for a run of 
less than 50 for what I was doing at the time.


On 9/15/2016 8:00 PM, Colin Stanners wrote:

Forrest, Maybe try http://www.plinkusa.net/1u.htm

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:

@!#?@!.

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be
AWOL.   Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the
past few months, but now it comes time to actually finalize prints
and order the first batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending
them a finalized drawing and asking for instructions on how to get
these ordered is a good way to get them to quit responding.

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on
vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.

If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in
reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year,
hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable
price, I'd appreciate the lead.

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud,
OKW, Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them
and can get them modified at a price which I think all of you can
afford.  Past experience indicates to me that there is a good chance
that this isn't going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.

--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com
 | http://www.packetflux.com

  

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Chuck McCown]

Sheet metal fab is much more difficult than circuit boards IMHO and I do both.  
Anyone can fold metal, but to make it look like what you expect hanging from a 
rack in a NOC is is not so easy.  Takes some major equipment to do that kind  
of quality.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

Out of curiosity, with as long as you have been in this gig, and as trusted in 
this industry as you are. How are you not tooled to do this yourself. 
Packetflux products (in conjunction with a couple other adjuncts) can drop WISP 
cost by 80% at times. I assume youre target market is WISP, and I would assume 
your customer base has a 95% or better trust. Why not just tool do do it 
yourself? We are like crack Cocaine addicts, its not like we wont be at your 
door next week, and the week after and next year, til we are dead looking for 
your products.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

  Forrest, Maybe try http://www.plinkusa.net/1u.htm


  On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

@!#?@!.   

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.   
Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months, but 
now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first batch, and 
well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and asking for 
instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get them to quit 
responding.

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on 
vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.  


If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in 
reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, hopefully 
lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price, I'd 
appreciate the lead.

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, 
Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get them 
modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past experience 
indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't going to be 
productive, which is why I'm asking.

-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 








-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Ken Hohhof]

When there’s nothing else to watch on TV, I turn on How It’s Made, which is a 
Canadian show.  It seems all sorts of things are still manufactured the old 
fashioned way in Canada.  Or maybe it’s because they’re old shows.


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

Out of curiosity, with as long as you have been in this gig, and as trusted in 
this industry as you are. How are you not tooled to do this yourself. 
Packetflux products (in conjunction with a couple other adjuncts) can drop WISP 
cost by 80% at times. I assume youre target market is WISP, and I would assume 
your customer base has a 95% or better trust. Why not just tool do do it 
yourself? We are like crack Cocaine addicts, its not like we wont be at your 
door next week, and the week after and next year, til we are dead looking for 
your products.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

  Forrest, Maybe try http://www.plinkusa.net/1u.htm


  On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

@!#?@!.   

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.   
Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months, but 
now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first batch, and 
well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and asking for 
instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get them to quit 
responding.

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on 
vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.  


If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in 
reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, hopefully 
lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price, I'd 
appreciate the lead.

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, 
Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get them 
modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past experience 
indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't going to be 
productive, which is why I'm asking.

-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 








-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] cn pilot e400 AP

[David Milholen]

Yeah,

 I guess I could go ahead and QOS the vlan I have on there in question.

I have one Guest VLAN and one business VLAN each one is tied to a WLAN 
not a sub of that WLAN like a guest network


So that means I have to set up queues and priorities on the mikrotik.

UGH!



On 9/15/2016 5:07 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I have one at home.  Nothing about QoS but you can do VLANs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave > wrote:


Anyone deployed these yet...

I am looking to see if there is a voip qos setting in them



-- 





--

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Ken Hohhof]

Most of the time it comes back as a CDN, so you still don’t know who hired the 
CDN.  Or something like AWS, and you still don’t know.  The exceptions perhaps 
are Apple, Google/Youtube, and some Netflix.


From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

"Torch their IP. 
Find the IP that is sending them lots of data.
Punch that IP into bgp.he.net
It will tell you who is sending the data and that normally can give them a 
hint."

A. Is there a torch tool for long term monitoring, it seems real time to me" 
B, explain the HE thing, I have never seen anything in the looking glass that 
will tell me what our customers are soing, but then again I just learned how to 
read the routes

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  
wrote:

  Torch their IP.
  Find the IP that is sending them lots of data.
  Punch that IP into bgp.he.net
  It will tell you who is sending the data and that normally can give them a 
hint.



  Jim Bouse

  Owner

  Brazos WiFi

  979-985-5912

  j...@brazoswifi.com



   Original message 
  From: That One Guy /sarcasm  
  Date: 9/15/16 8:36 PM (GMT-06:00) 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage 


  so we got this:
  "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We have 
looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days that we 
have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then days we are 
home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us or recommend 
someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly? Thanks!
  --"


  this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do this 
you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules, youre 
cheating us" in a real catty voice


  screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction, the 
kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house with 
netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.


  but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We arent 
providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out

  we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So whats 
the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track this down, 
in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the edge, and for 
the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the 10 percent and if 
you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to drop in to monitor this 
customer I can pretend I have value within th company. .



  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Ken Hohhof]

Fiber isn’t sexy.



From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 8:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

yeahbut, tain’t fiber.  No sex in wireless.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

And that is why Google is finally figuring out that wireless is cheaper.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

Fiber has a very long usable life.  Probably 75 years or more. 

 

43 month doubling your money is like 8% ROI.  Not too bad.  

 

Then at month 44 it is infinite ROI.  How can you complain about that?

 

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:56 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI.

Travis



On 9/15/2016 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.

   

   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

   

  But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500 for 
gig speeds?

   

- Original Message - 

From: Rory Conaway 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you 
hammered me. 

 

We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if 
CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps 
circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change 
although that’s early results.   We are finding price is better.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

 

I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain 
when they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to 
seethey did not see an unusually large change just because service was wide 
open

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

   

  Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or 
3 times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never 
increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase 
in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.  

   

  What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a 
significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the next 
thing  you gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at 
one time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most folks will not 
even fully utilize 50M in the near future.  

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

   

  Interesting.

   

  Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 
110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue 
per month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the 
marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that 
actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.

   

   

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

   

   

  One subscriber at the gig level

   

  
http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

   

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

   

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[George Skorup]

Netflow (Traffic Flow in MT speak)

On 9/15/2016 8:44 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

"Torch their IP.
Find the IP that is sending them lots of data.
Punch that IP into bgp.he.net 
It will tell you who is sending the data and that normally can give 
them a hint."


A. Is there a torch tool for long term monitoring, it seems real time 
to me"
B, explain the HE thing, I have never seen anything in the looking 
glass that will tell me what our customers are soing, but then again I 
just learned how to read the routes


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
mailto:j...@brazoswifi.com>> wrote:


Torch their IP.
Find the IP that is sending them lots of data.
Punch that IP into bgp.he.net 
It will tell you who is sending the data and that normally can
give them a hint.



Jim Bouse

Owner

Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912 

j...@brazoswifi.com 



 Original message 
From: That One Guy /sarcasm mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
Date: 9/15/16 8:36 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage


so we got this:
"Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our
data? We have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out.
There are days that we have been gone for several hours and the
usage is VERY high. Then days we are home have been extremely low.
We are at a loss; can you help us or recommend someone who can. Is
there a way to break this down hourly? Thanks!
--"


this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt
do this you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids
follow rules, youre cheating us" in a real catty voice


screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn
affliction, the kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units
running in the house with netflix on autoplay, if theyre not
illegally torrenting some shit.


but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to
know. We arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there
directly is out

we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found)
So whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine)
to track this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2
from to AP to the edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to
set up a tool to help the 10 percent and if you guys who know more
than me can spit out a script to drop in to monitor this customer
I can pretend I have value within th company. .



If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Josh Reynolds]

Huh?

DPI? QoS? DDOS Protection? CGNAT? Customer Support Tools?

You talk a lot about a product it doesn't seem like you've ever used.

On Sep 15, 2016 8:42 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

yeah, crazy thing about that, not looking to drop multiple 10ks at once to
have a nice guy on a product that quits working with the management system
and is questionably legal beyond monitoring :-)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Procera :P
>
> On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> so we got this:
>> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We
>> have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days
>> that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
>> days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us
>> or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
>> Thanks!
>> --"
>>
>>
>> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do
>> this you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
>> youre cheating us" in a real catty voice
>>
>>
>> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction,
>> the kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house
>> with netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
>>
>>
>> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
>> arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
>>
>> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
>> whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
>> this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
>> edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
>> 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
>> drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
>> company. .
>>
>>
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

"Torch their IP.
Find the IP that is sending them lots of data.
Punch that IP into bgp.he.net
It will tell you who is sending the data and that normally can give them a
hint."

A. Is there a torch tool for long term monitoring, it seems real time to
me"
B, explain the HE thing, I have never seen anything in the looking glass
that will tell me what our customers are soing, but then again I just
learned how to read the routes

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]  wrote:

> Torch their IP.
> Find the IP that is sending them lots of data.
> Punch that IP into bgp.he.net
> It will tell you who is sending the data and that normally can give them a
> hint.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
>
> Owner
>
> Brazos WiFi
>
> 979-985-5912
>
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
> Date: 9/15/16 8:36 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage
>
>
> so we got this:
> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We
> have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days
> that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
> days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us
> or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
> Thanks!
> --"
>
>
> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do this
> you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
> youre cheating us" in a real catty voice
>
>
> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction, the
> kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house with
> netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
>
>
> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
> arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
>
> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
> whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
> this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
> edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
> 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
> drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
> company. .
>
>
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

yeah, crazy thing about that, not looking to drop multiple 10ks at once to
have a nice guy on a product that quits working with the management system
and is questionably legal beyond monitoring :-)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:37 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> Procera :P
>
> On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> so we got this:
>> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We
>> have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days
>> that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
>> days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us
>> or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
>> Thanks!
>> --"
>>
>>
>> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do
>> this you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
>> youre cheating us" in a real catty voice
>>
>>
>> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction,
>> the kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house
>> with netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
>>
>>
>> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
>> arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
>>
>> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
>> whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
>> this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
>> edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
>> 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
>> drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
>> company. .
>>
>>
>>
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Out of curiosity, with as long as you have been in this gig, and as trusted
in this industry as you are. How are you not tooled to do this yourself.
Packetflux products (in conjunction with a couple other adjuncts) can drop
WISP cost by 80% at times. I assume youre target market is WISP, and I
would assume your customer base has a 95% or better trust. Why not just
tool do do it yourself? We are like crack Cocaine addicts, its not like we
wont be at your door next week, and the week after and next year, til we
are dead looking for your products.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Forrest, Maybe try http://www.plinkusa.net/1u.htm
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> @!#?@!.
>>
>> My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.
>> Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months,
>> but now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first
>> batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and
>> asking for instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get
>> them to quit responding.
>>
>> I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on
>> vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.
>>
>> If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in
>> reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year,
>> hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price,
>> I'd appreciate the lead.
>>
>> I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW,
>> Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get
>> them modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past
>> experience indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't
>> going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

Torch their IP.
Find the IP that is sending them lots of data.
Punch that IP into bgp.he.net
It will tell you who is sending the data and that normally can give them a hint.



Jim Bouse
Owner
Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com


 Original message 
From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Date: 9/15/16 8:36 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage


so we got this:
"Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We have 
looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days that we 
have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then days we are 
home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us or recommend 
someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly? Thanks!
--"


this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do this you 
people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules, youre 
cheating us" in a real catty voice


screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction, the kids 
game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house with netflix 
on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.


but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We arent 
providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out

we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So whats the 
best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track this down, in 
our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the edge, and for the 
firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the 10 percent and if you 
guys who know more than me can spit out a script to drop in to monitor this 
customer I can pretend I have value within th company. .



If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[Josh Reynolds]

Procera :P

On Sep 15, 2016 8:36 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

>
> so we got this:
> "Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We
> have looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days
> that we have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then
> days we are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us
> or recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly?
> Thanks!
> --"
>
>
> this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do this
> you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
> youre cheating us" in a real catty voice
>
>
> screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction, the
> kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house with
> netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.
>
>
> but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
> arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out
>
> we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So
> whats the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track
> this down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the
> edge, and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the
> 10 percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to
> drop in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th
> company. .
>
>
>
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

[AFMUG] documenting customer usage

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

so we got this:
"Can yotu help us somehow figure out what is using all of our data? We have
looked at the daily usage and can not figure it out. There are days that we
have been gone for several hours and the usage is VERY high. Then days we
are home have been extremely low. We are at a loss; can you help us or
recommend someone who can. Is there a way to break this down hourly? Thanks!
--"


this is the one in ten request, the other 9 are normally "we didnt do this
you people are lying,we never use the internet, our kids follow rules,
youre cheating us" in a real catty voice


screw those 9 douches, its usually one of the spouses porn affliction, the
kids game console. or the fact they leave 5 units running in the house with
netflix on autoplay, if theyre not illegally torrenting some shit.


but, there is the one, who arent cocks, they genuinely want to know. We
arent providing them a router, so monitoring from there directly is out

we just recently moved DNS to us (huge value I have already found) So whats
the best way (to the account, not the individual machine) to track this
down, in our environment, We have mikrotik 1100ahx2 from to AP to the edge,
and for the firs time, I actually want to set up a tool to help the 10
percent and if you guys who know more than me can spit out a script to drop
in to monitor this customer I can pretend I have value within th company. .



If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Chuck McCown]

yeahbut, tain’t fiber.  No sex in wireless.  

From: Rory Conaway 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

And that is why Google is finally figuring out that wireless is cheaper.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

Fiber has a very long usable life.  Probably 75 years or more. 

 

43 month doubling your money is like 8% ROI.  Not too bad.  

 

Then at month 44 it is infinite ROI.  How can you complain about that?

 

From: Travis Johnson 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:56 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI.

Travis



On 9/15/2016 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.

   

   

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

   

  On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:

   

  But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500 for 
gig speeds?

   

- Original Message - 

From: Rory Conaway 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you 
hammered me. 

 

We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if 
CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps 
circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change 
although that’s early results.   We are finding price is better.

 

Rory

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

 

I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain 
when they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to 
seethey did not see an unusually large change just because service was wide 
open

 

 

  - Original Message - 

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

   

  Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or 
3 times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never 
increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase 
in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.  

   

  What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a 
significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the next 
thing  you gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at 
one time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most folks will not 
even fully utilize 50M in the near future.  

   

  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

   

  Interesting.

   

  Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 
110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue 
per month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the 
marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that 
actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.

   

   

  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

   

   

  One subscriber at the gig level

   

  
http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

   

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

   

   

 

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Rory Conaway]

And that is why Google is finally figuring out that wireless is cheaper.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Fiber has a very long usable life.  Probably 75 years or more.

43 month doubling your money is like 8% ROI.  Not too bad.

Then at month 44 it is infinite ROI.  How can you complain about that?

From: Travis Johnson
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI.

Travis

On 9/15/2016 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:

But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500 for gig 
speeds?

- Original Message -
From: Rory Conaway
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you 
hammered me.

We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if CenturyLink 
can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps circuit, 
offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change although that’s 
early results.   We are finding price is better.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain when 
they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to seethey 
did not see an unusually large change just because service was wide open


- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or 3 
times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never 
increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase 
in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.

What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a significant 
usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the next thing  you 
gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at one time.  I 
guess they could host a server farm etc, but most folks will not even fully 
utilize 50M in the near future.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Interesting.

Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 110/50 
customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue per 
month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the marketing 
approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that actually uses 
gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.


From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


One subscriber at the gig level

http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Colin Stanners]

Forrest, Maybe try http://www.plinkusa.net/1u.htm

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> @!#?@!.
>
> My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.
> Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months,
> but now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first
> batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and
> asking for instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get
> them to quit responding.
>
> I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on
> vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.
>
> If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in
> reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year,
> hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price,
> I'd appreciate the lead.
>
> I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW,
> Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get
> them modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past
> experience indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't
> going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[chuck]

Fiber has a very long usable life.  Probably 75 years or more. 

43 month doubling your money is like 8% ROI.  Not too bad.  

Then at month 44 it is infinite ROI.  How can you complain about that?

From: Travis Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 4:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI.

Travis



On 9/15/2016 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

  Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.


  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373

  On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
wrote:


But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500 for 
gig speeds?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rory Conaway 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

  I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you 
hammered me. 



  We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if 
CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps 
circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change 
although that’s early results.   We are finding price is better.



  Rory



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city





  I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain 
when they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to 
seethey did not see an unusually large change just because service was wide 
open





- Original Message - 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city



Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 
or 3 times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never 
increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase 
in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.  



What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a 
significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the next 
thing  you gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at 
one time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most folks will not 
even fully utilize 50M in the near future.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city



Interesting.



Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 
110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue 
per month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the 
marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that 
actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.





From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city





One subscriber at the gig level




http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Travis Johnson]

That's why telco's and cableco's use a 20 or 30 year ROI.

Travis


On 9/15/2016 3:19 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:


But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge
$500 for gig speeds?

- Original Message -
*From:* Rory Conaway 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right
Mike, you hammered me.

We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that
even if CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering
with a supposed 10Mbps circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same
price doesn’t get people to change although that’s early
results.   We are finding price is better.

Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
*Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby
Wireless explain when they started fiber they left it wide
open for a few months just to seethey did not see an
unusually large change just because service was wide open

- Original Message -

*From:*ch...@wbmfg.com 

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Sent:*Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our
customers 2 or 3 times due to competitive pressures and
advancements in Canopy.  I never increased the price, just
went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase in
the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.

What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to
make a significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone
thinks it is sexy and the next thing you gotta have, but
there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at one
time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most
folks will not even fully utilize 50M in the near future.

*From:*Ken Hohhof 

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Interesting.

Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could
“upgrade” all the 110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the
only change would be $400 less revenue per month, and
probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the
marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer
app comes out that actually uses gigabit speeds, their
bluff is called.

*From:*CBB - Jay Fuller 

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com 

*Subject:*[AFMUG] The latest gig city

One subscriber at the gig level


http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/



Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm guessing the /s is implied?

On Sep 15, 2016 4:17 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
wrote:

>
> But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500
> for gig speeds?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
> I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you
> hammered me.
>
>
>
> We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if
> CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps
> circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change
> although that’s early results.   We are finding price is better.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
>
>
> I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain
> when they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to
> seethey did not see an unusually large change just because service was
> wide open
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or
> 3 times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never
> increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an
> increase in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.
>
>
>
> What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a
> significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the
> next thing  you gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can
> watch at one time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most
> folks will not even fully utilize 50M in the near future.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Interesting.
>
>
>
> Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the
> 110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less
> revenue per month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably
> the marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out
> that actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
>
>
> One subscriber at the gig level
>
>
>
> http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-
> broadband-subscriber/
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cn pilot e400 AP

[Josh Luthman]

I have one at home.  Nothing about QoS but you can do VLANs.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:03 PM, Dave  wrote:

> Anyone deployed these yet...
>
> I am looking to see if there is a voip qos setting in them
>
>
>
> --
>

[AFMUG] cn pilot e400 AP

[Dave]

Anyone deployed these yet...

I am looking to see if there is a voip qos setting in them



--

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Josh Luthman]

Takes a long time to pay 43m back with 500/mo revenue.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 5:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500
> for gig speeds?
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rory Conaway 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
> I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you
> hammered me.
>
>
>
> We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if
> CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps
> circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change
> although that’s early results.   We are finding price is better.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
>
>
> I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain
> when they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to
> seethey did not see an unusually large change just because service was
> wide open
>
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or
> 3 times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never
> increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an
> increase in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.
>
>
>
> What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a
> significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the
> next thing  you gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can
> watch at one time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most
> folks will not even fully utilize 50M in the near future.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
> Interesting.
>
>
>
> Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the
> 110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less
> revenue per month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably
> the marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out
> that actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] The latest gig city
>
>
>
>
>
> One subscriber at the gig level
>
>
>
> http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-
> broadband-subscriber/
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

But how do you pay for your fiber installation if you don't charge $500 for gig 
speeds?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Rory Conaway 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 12:37 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


  I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you 
hammered me. 

   

  We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if 
CenturyLink can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps 
circuit, offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change 
although that’s early results.   We are finding price is better.

   

  Rory

   

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

   

   

  I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain 
when they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to 
seethey did not see an unusually large change just because service was wide 
open

   

   

- Original Message - 

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 

To: af@afmug.com 

Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or 3 
times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never 
increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase 
in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.  

 

What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a 
significant usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the next 
thing  you gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at 
one time.  I guess they could host a server farm etc, but most folks will not 
even fully utilize 50M in the near future.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

Interesting.

 

Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 
110/50 customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue 
per month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the 
marketing approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that 
actually uses gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.

 

 

From: CBB - Jay Fuller 

Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

 

 

One subscriber at the gig level

 

http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

 

Re: [AFMUG] Tar Tape Sealent

[Eric Kuhnke]

3starinc.com

On Sep 14, 2016 8:12 AM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Looking for a source of tar tape.  The type to put under j-arm mount
> to seal holes when putting on a shingled roof.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[George Skorup]

I r sadface.

Who makes the steel Routerboard enclosures for Baltic Networks? Those 
are pretty nice.


Or are you trying to do plastic? I think that would be perfectly fine. 
Then maybe have some steel or aluminum rack mount ears with plastic self 
tapping screws?


How about Winford Eng? www.winford.com I like their plastic DIN clips.

On 9/15/2016 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

@!#?@!.

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be 
AWOL.   Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past 
few months, but now it comes time to actually finalize prints and 
order the first batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a 
finalized drawing and asking for instructions on how to get these 
ordered is a good way to get them to quit responding.


I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on 
vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.


If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in 
reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, 
hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable 
price, I'd appreciate the lead.


I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, 
Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can 
get them modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  
Past experience indicates to me that there is a good chance that this 
isn't going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.


--
*Forrest Christian* /CEO//, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc./
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com  | 
http://www.packetflux.com 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Adam Moffett]

Yeah, I was gonna say Bison Profab.

There's also a company near us called Oriskany Arms that makes rack 
mount fiber enclosures for Verizon.

http://www.oriskanyarms.com/

Their website is all about the M1911 pistols they make, but they're 
owned by the same people as Fiber Instrument Sales, and located in the 
same industrial complexwhich is how they're in the enclosure 
business.  You won't see this stuff on their website, I just happen to 
know because I heard about it while taking a factory tour.




-- Original Message --
From: "Jason McKemie" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 9/15/2016 12:31:15 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount 
enclosures.



Might want to check with Bison Profab.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
 wrote:

@!#?@!.

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be 
AWOL.   Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past 
few months, but now it comes time to actually finalize prints and 
order the first batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a 
finalized drawing and asking for instructions on how to get these 
ordered is a good way to get them to quit responding.


I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on 
vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.


If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in 
reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, 
hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable 
price, I'd appreciate the lead.


I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, 
Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can 
get them modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  
Past experience indicates to me that there is a good chance that this 
isn't going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.


--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Rory Conaway]

I’ve written about this multiple times and if I remember right Mike, you 
hammered me.

We are also doing marketing tests right now and found that even if CenturyLink 
can’t maintain NetFlix without buffering with a supposed 10Mbps circuit, 
offering 50Mbps at the same price doesn’t get people to change although that’s 
early results.   We are finding price is better.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain when 
they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to seethey 
did not see an unusually large change just because service was wide open


- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or 3 
times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never 
increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase 
in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.

What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a significant 
usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the next thing  you 
gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at one time.  I 
guess they could host a server farm etc, but most folks will not even fully 
utilize 50M in the near future.

From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Interesting.

Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 110/50 
customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue per 
month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the marketing 
approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that actually uses 
gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.


From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


One subscriber at the gig level

http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SCADA

[Jaime Solorza]

But MDS is full duplex and 5 Watts unless something has changed on their
MAS solutions...

On Sep 15, 2016 11:03 AM, "Daniel White"  wrote:

> They designed it specifically to replace MDS
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:05 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SCADA
>
>
>
> Dual Radio...MAS and ISM in one boxcurrently, one of my largest
> clients is using two radios as repeater point,   Licensed to base station
> (i.e. water tank) and then ISM radio as base station to several wells or
> lift stations that have no line of sight back to MAS base station.   So
> this one unit with dual radios is kind of interesting.   Of course, it has
> to prove itself against MDS systems.
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> Watching SCADA seminar.  CNreach products are interesting
>
>
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SCADA

[Daniel White]

They designed it specifically to replace MDS



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:05 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SCADA



Dual Radio...MAS and ISM in one boxcurrently, one of my largest clients is 
using two radios as repeater point,   Licensed to base station (i.e. water 
tank) and then ISM radio as base station to several wells or lift stations that 
have no line of sight back to MAS base station.   So this one unit with dual 
radios is kind of interesting.   Of course, it has to prove itself against MDS 
systems.




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390



On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Watching SCADA seminar.  CNreach products are interesting





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Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I remember hearing Chuck Hogg and Gerard Dupont @ Shelby Wireless explain when 
they started fiber they left it wide open for a few months just to seethey 
did not see an unusually large change just because service was wide open


  - Original Message - 
  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 11:02 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


  Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or 3 
times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never 
increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase 
in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.  

  What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a significant 
usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the next thing  you 
gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at one time.  I 
guess they could host a server farm etc, but most folks will not even fully 
utilize 50M in the near future.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

  Interesting.

  Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 110/50 
customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue per 
month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the marketing 
approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that actually uses 
gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.


  From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


  One subscriber at the gig level

  http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

  Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Jason McKemie]

Might want to check with Bison Profab.

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 6:08 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> @!#?@!.
>
> My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.
> Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months,
> but now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first
> batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and
> asking for instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get
> them to quit responding.
>
> I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on
> vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.
>
> If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in
> reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year,
> hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price,
> I'd appreciate the lead.
>
> I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW,
> Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get
> them modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past
> experience indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't
> going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[chuck]

I can plasma cut and bend with a press brake.  But to do this kind of work you 
need someone with a laser or a CNC turret punch.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:52 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

Considering rfarmor guy = netonix guy, probably not ;)


On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:48 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm 
 wrote:

  Talk to RFArmor guy, maybe he can knock them out in his garage

  On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Tyler Treat  
wrote:

Looks like this outfit could do that type of thing...   Not sure if volume 
would be an issue though.



http://www.evsmetal.com/work#towork-1








From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:00 AM 

To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

Back when I was in the telephone equipment industry, there were a bazillion 
custom sheet metal shops in and around Addison, IL.  I don’t know how many are 
still around.  One we used a lot was TJ Fabricators.


From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

I would check with Kam Fab near Austin TX. 
They make all kinds of sheet metal stuff. 

Good luck.

Jim Bouse

Owner

Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com



 Original message 
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
Date: 9/15/16 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: af  
Subject: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures. 

@!#?@!.   

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.   
Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months, but 
now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first batch, and 
well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and asking for 
instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get them to quit 
responding.

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on 
vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.  


If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in 
reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, hopefully 
lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price, I'd 
appreciate the lead.

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, 
Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get them 
modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past experience 
indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't going to be 
productive, which is why I'm asking.

-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 







  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.



-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[chuck]

Back in the early days, I doubled the speeds of all of our customers 2 or 3 
times due to competitive pressures and advancements in Canopy.  I never 
increased the price, just went from 256 to 512 to 1024.  Never saw an increase 
in the bandwidth usage on our uplinks.  

What could a Bob and Sally homeowner and their kids do to make a significant 
usage of a Gig?  Of course everyone thinks it is sexy and the next thing  you 
gotta have, but there only so many 4K 3D TVs a person can watch at one time.  I 
guess they could host a server farm etc, but most folks will not even fully 
utilize 50M in the near future.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

Interesting.

Of course, one way to read the numbers is they could “upgrade” all the 110/50 
customers to 1000/1000 and the only change would be $400 less revenue per 
month, and probably no more bandwidth usage.  This is probably the marketing 
approach of most gigabit ISPs.  If some killer app comes out that actually uses 
gigabit speeds, their bluff is called.


From: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 11:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


One subscriber at the gig level

http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[fiberrun]

> other than price and service from said company
   Aren't those kind of the defining characteristics?
   If you ignore price and service, isn't one ISP pretty much like the other?
   At least very few consumers could tell the difference. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Mike Hammett]

It's sexy. 
Society tells them to. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 10:01:49 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city 

 

got into it with the significant other last night when discussing this article. 
she makes a good point. other than price and service from said company, why 
would someone switch to fiber when they already have equivalent working service 
from the cable co? 
especially if their tv is already with the cable co. (i hate cable cos, but 
just saying) 

especially taking into account that people dislike change. 

people want fiber cause they think they'll get gig speeds for what they're 
paying the cable co now. 

do they not? 





- Original Message - 
From: fiber...@mail.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:37 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city 

> One subscriber at the gig level 
> 
> http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/ 
Clickbait. I really hate poorly written articles like these. There are plenty 
of reasons for and against municipal broadband. If you have a beef with muni 
broadband, at least put some effort in it and come up with some valid critique. 
Don't just produce blogspam like this. 

I guess it just isn't sexy to report that they have a take rate of about 25% 
and are on track to be profitable within five years. Focusing on the number of 
gigabit subscribers at $500 per month, when there's a reasonable offering of 
services between $35 and $100 per month, just makes the reporter seem petty. 
It's almost like they have an agenda to push, facts be damned, ... 

Jared 

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[Sterling Jacobson]

I agree with that.

Their pricing is what is killing their deal.

If you have the fiber and the equipment to handle it, it makes no business 
sense to me to over-price the service.

Google I think is around $50 for 100Mbps and $70 for 1Gbps.

At least that is what I sell mine for, and Cable customers switch from their 
$90 plan to our $70 plan all the time.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:02 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


got into it with the significant other last night when discussing this article. 
 she makes a good point.  other than price and service from said company, why 
would someone switch to fiber when they already have equivalent working service 
from the cable co?
especially if their tv is already with the cable co.  (i hate cable cos, but 
just saying)

especially taking into account that people dislike change.

people want fiber cause they think they'll get gig speeds for what they're 
paying the cable co now.

do they not?



- Original Message -
From: fiber...@mail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

> One subscriber at the gig level
>
> http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/
  Clickbait. I really hate poorly written articles like these. There are plenty 
of reasons for and against municipal broadband. If you have a beef with muni 
broadband, at least put some effort in it and come up with some valid critique. 
Don't just produce blogspam like this.

  I guess it just isn't sexy to report that they have a take rate of about 25% 
and are on track to be profitable within five years. Focusing on the number of 
gigabit subscribers at $500 per month, when there's a reasonable offering of 
services between $35 and $100 per month, just makes the reporter seem petty. 
It's almost like they have an agenda to push, facts be damned, ...

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

got into it with the significant other last night when discussing this article. 
 she makes a good point.  other than price and service from said company, why 
would someone switch to fiber when they already have equivalent working service 
from the cable co?
especially if their tv is already with the cable co.  (i hate cable cos, but 
just saying)

especially taking into account that people dislike change.

people want fiber cause they think they'll get gig speeds for what they're 
paying the cable co now.

do they not?



  - Original Message - 
  From: fiber...@mail.com 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city


  > One subscriber at the gig level
  > 
  > http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/
Clickbait. I really hate poorly written articles like these. There are 
plenty of reasons for and against municipal broadband. If you have a beef with 
muni broadband, at least put some effort in it and come up with some valid 
critique. Don't just produce blogspam like this. 

I guess it just isn't sexy to report that they have a take rate of about 
25% and are on track to be profitable within five years. Focusing on the number 
of gigabit subscribers at $500 per month, when there's a reasonable offering of 
services between $35 and $100 per month, just makes the reporter seem petty. 
It's almost like they have an agenda to push, facts be damned, ...

  Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium SCADA

[Jaime Solorza]

Dual Radio...MAS and ISM in one boxcurrently, one of my largest clients
is using two radios as repeater point,   Licensed to base station (i.e.
water tank) and then ISM radio as base station to several wells or lift
stations that have no line of sight back to MAS base station.   So this one
unit with dual radios is kind of interesting.   Of course, it has to prove
itself against MDS systems.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Watching SCADA seminar.  CNreach products are interesting
>

Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

[Steve]

Ahhh excellent thanks! I'll pass this info on.  

- Original Message -
From: "Dennis Burgess" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:27:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

There are a few that are WISPA members, we work with several of them, you can 
find some leasing company info on our site as well.  


Thanks,

Dennis Burgess – Network Engineer/Consutant
MikroTik Certified Trianer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
Cambium ePMP Certified, Telrad Certified, Cisco CCNA

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
RF Mapping: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270
dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

Anyone recommend a good leasing company for radios and wireless equipment in 
the US?

Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

[Travis Johnson]

All the rates and terms are based on the company history, your personal 
credit score, etc just like a loan at the bank.


Travis


On 9/15/2016 6:28 AM, Steve wrote:

Thanks.. how were their rates?

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

I did a few with Lease Corp of America.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Steve  wrote:


Anyone recommend a good leasing company for radios and wireless equipment
in the US?

[AFMUG] Cambium SCADA

[Jaime Solorza]

Watching SCADA seminar.  CNreach products are interesting

[AFMUG] Looking for Insurance Rep, General Liability

[Sterling Jacobson]

I've used Hartford in the past, anyone here an agent of theirs or can point me 
to one?

Or is there a better agency that knows ISP business,  particularly FTTH/FTTP?

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Josh Reynolds]

??? If you want something made, I'm sure Chris could.

On Sep 15, 2016 8:52 AM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Considering rfarmor guy = netonix guy, probably not ;)
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:48 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Talk to RFArmor guy, maybe he can knock them out in his garage
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Tyler Treat <
>> tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like this outfit could do that type of thing...   Not sure if
>>> volume would be an issue though.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.evsmetal.com/work#towork-1
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof <
>>> af...@kwisp.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:00 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount
>>> enclosures.
>>>
>>> Back when I was in the telephone equipment industry, there were a
>>> bazillion custom sheet metal shops in and around Addison, IL.  I don’t know
>>> how many are still around.  One we used a lot was TJ Fabricators.
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:17 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount
>>> enclosures.
>>>
>>> I would check with Kam Fab near Austin TX.
>>> They make all kinds of sheet metal stuff.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jim Bouse
>>>
>>> Owner
>>>
>>> Brazos WiFi
>>>
>>> 979-985-5912
>>>
>>> j...@brazoswifi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>  Original message 
>>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>>> Date: 9/15/16 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: af 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.
>>>
>>> @!#?@!.
>>>
>>> My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be
>>> AWOL.   Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few
>>> months, but now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the
>>> first batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized
>>> drawing and asking for instructions on how to get these ordered is a good
>>> way to get them to quit responding.
>>>
>>> I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on
>>> vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.
>>>
>>> If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in
>>> reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year,
>>> hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price,
>>> I'd appreciate the lead.
>>>
>>> I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW,
>>> Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get
>>> them modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past
>>> experience indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't
>>> going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>> 
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Considering rfarmor guy = netonix guy, probably not ;)

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:48 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Talk to RFArmor guy, maybe he can knock them out in his garage
>
> On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Tyler Treat  > wrote:
>
>> Looks like this outfit could do that type of thing...   Not sure if
>> volume would be an issue though.
>>
>>
>> http://www.evsmetal.com/work#towork-1
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof <
>> af...@kwisp.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:00 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount
>> enclosures.
>>
>> Back when I was in the telephone equipment industry, there were a
>> bazillion custom sheet metal shops in and around Addison, IL.  I don’t know
>> how many are still around.  One we used a lot was TJ Fabricators.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:17 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount
>> enclosures.
>>
>> I would check with Kam Fab near Austin TX.
>> They make all kinds of sheet metal stuff.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>>
>> Jim Bouse
>>
>> Owner
>>
>> Brazos WiFi
>>
>> 979-985-5912
>>
>> j...@brazoswifi.com
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
>> Date: 9/15/16 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: af 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.
>>
>> @!#?@!.
>>
>> My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.
>> Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months,
>> but now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first
>> batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and
>> asking for instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get
>> them to quit responding.
>>
>> I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on
>> vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.
>>
>> If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in
>> reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year,
>> hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price,
>> I'd appreciate the lead.
>>
>> I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW,
>> Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get
>> them modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past
>> experience indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't
>> going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.
>>
>> --
>> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>> 
>>   
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
  

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Talk to RFArmor guy, maybe he can knock them out in his garage

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Tyler Treat 
wrote:

> Looks like this outfit could do that type of thing...   Not sure if volume
> would be an issue though.
>
>
> http://www.evsmetal.com/work#towork-1
>
>
> --
> *From:* Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof  >
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:00 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount
> enclosures.
>
> Back when I was in the telephone equipment industry, there were a
> bazillion custom sheet metal shops in and around Addison, IL.  I don’t know
> how many are still around.  One we used a lot was TJ Fabricators.
>
>
> *From:* Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:17 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount
> enclosures.
>
> I would check with Kam Fab near Austin TX.
> They make all kinds of sheet metal stuff.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
> Jim Bouse
>
> Owner
>
> Brazos WiFi
>
> 979-985-5912
>
> j...@brazoswifi.com
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
> Date: 9/15/16 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: af 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.
>
> @!#?@!.
>
> My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.
> Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months,
> but now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first
> batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and
> asking for instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get
> them to quit responding.
>
> I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on
> vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.
>
> If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in
> reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year,
> hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price,
> I'd appreciate the lead.
>
> I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW,
> Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get
> them modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past
> experience indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't
> going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.
>
> --
> *Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>   
>   
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

[Dennis Burgess]

There are a few that are WISPA members, we work with several of them, you can 
find some leasing company info on our site as well.  


Thanks,

Dennis Burgess – Network Engineer/Consutant
MikroTik Certified Trianer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
Cambium ePMP Certified, Telrad Certified, Cisco CCNA

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
RF Mapping: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270
dmburg...@linktechs.net 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

Anyone recommend a good leasing company for radios and wireless equipment in 
the US? 

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Tyler Treat]

Looks like this outfit could do that type of thing...   Not sure if volume 
would be an issue though.


http://www.evsmetal.com/work#towork-1



From: Af  on behalf of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 7:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

Back when I was in the telephone equipment industry, there were a bazillion 
custom sheet metal shops in and around Addison, IL.  I don't know how many are 
still around.  One we used a lot was TJ Fabricators.


From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

I would check with Kam Fab near Austin TX.
They make all kinds of sheet metal stuff.

Good luck.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com


 Original message 
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
Date: 9/15/16 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

@!#?@!.

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.   Lots 
of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months, but now it 
comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first batch, and well.. 
nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and asking for 
instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get them to quit 
responding.

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on vacation, 
they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.

If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in reasonable 
quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, hopefully lots more 
than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price, I'd appreciate the lead.

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, Hammond, 
Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get them modified 
at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past experience indicates to 
me that there is a good chance that this isn't going to be productive, which is 
why I'm asking.

--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | 
http://www.packetflux.com
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Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

[Josh Luthman]

About what one would expect for that kind of service.  Better that a credit
card worse than a LOC.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 15, 2016 8:28 AM, "Steve"  wrote:

> Thanks.. how were their rates?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:57:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?
>
> I did a few with Lease Corp of America.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Steve  wrote:
>
> > Anyone recommend a good leasing company for radios and wireless equipment
> > in the US?
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

[Steve]

Thanks.. how were their rates? 

- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 5:57:06 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leasing company?

I did a few with Lease Corp of America.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Steve  wrote:

> Anyone recommend a good leasing company for radios and wireless equipment
> in the US?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Ken Hohhof]

Back when I was in the telephone equipment industry, there were a bazillion 
custom sheet metal shops in and around Addison, IL.  I don’t know how many are 
still around.  One we used a lot was TJ Fabricators.


From: Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:17 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

I would check with Kam Fab near Austin TX. 
They make all kinds of sheet metal stuff. 

Good luck.

Jim Bouse

Owner

Brazos WiFi

979-985-5912

j...@brazoswifi.com



 Original message 
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)"  
Date: 9/15/16 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00) 
To: af  
Subject: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures. 

@!#?@!.   

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.   Lots 
of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months, but now it 
comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first batch, and well.. 
nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and asking for 
instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get them to quit 
responding.

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on vacation, 
they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.  


If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in reasonable 
quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, hopefully lots more 
than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price, I'd appreciate the lead.

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, Hammond, 
Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get them modified 
at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past experience indicates to 
me that there is a good chance that this isn't going to be productive, which is 
why I'm asking.

-- 

  Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.

  Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
  forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com

 

Re: [AFMUG] The latest gig city

[fiberrun]

> One subscriber at the gig level
> 
> http://spectator.org/alabamas-gig-city-has-one-gigabit-broadband-subscriber/
  Clickbait. I really hate poorly written articles like these. There are plenty 
of reasons for and against municipal broadband. If you have a beef with muni 
broadband, at least put some effort in it and come up with some valid critique. 
Don't just produce blogspam like this. 

  I guess it just isn't sexy to report that they have a take rate of about 25% 
and are on track to be profitable within five years. Focusing on the number of 
gigabit subscribers at $500 per month, when there's a reasonable offering of 
services between $35 and $100 per month, just makes the reporter seem petty. 
It's almost like they have an agenda to push, facts be damned, ...

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]]

I would check with Kam Fab near Austin TX.
They make all kinds of sheet metal stuff.

Good luck.

Jim Bouse
Owner
Brazos WiFi
979-985-5912
j...@brazoswifi.com


 Original message 
From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
Date: 9/15/16 6:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: af 
Subject: [AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

@!#?@!.

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.   Lots 
of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months, but now it 
comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first batch, and well.. 
nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and asking for 
instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get them to quit 
responding.

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on vacation, 
they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.

If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in reasonable 
quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year, hopefully lots more 
than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price, I'd appreciate the lead.

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW, Hammond, 
Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get them modified 
at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past experience indicates to 
me that there is a good chance that this isn't going to be productive, which is 
why I'm asking.

--
Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | 
http://www.packetflux.com
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[AFMUG] Leads wanted for a source for 1U rackmount enclosures.

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

@!#?@!.

My enclosure manufacturer for the rackmount injectors seems to be AWOL.
Lots of productive conversations back and forth over the past few months,
but now it comes time to actually finalize prints and order the first
batch, and well.. nothing.   Evidently sending them a finalized drawing and
asking for instructions on how to get these ordered is a good way to get
them to quit responding.

I'm still hopeful that this is just a bump on the road (someone's on
vacation, they're backlogged, etc.), but this just isn't a good sign.

If anyone is aware of a supplier which can make 1U enclosures, in
reasonable quantities (50-100 at a time, not sure how many a year,
hopefully lots more than that), and most importantly at a reasonable price,
I'd appreciate the lead.

I'm reviewing all of the well-known enclosure manufacturers (Bud, OKW,
Hammond, Schroff, etc.) to see if I can fit into one of them and can get
them modified at a price which I think all of you can afford.  Past
experience indicates to me that there is a good chance that this isn't
going to be productive, which is why I'm asking.

-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com