Re: [AFMUG] Van vs Tractor Oops..

[Jaime Solorza]

Spray can, bondo Good as new

On Nov 16, 2016 8:52 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> oops
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
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> Midwest Internet Exchange 
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> *From: *"Roland Houin" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:14:15 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Van vs Tractor Oops..
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Re: [AFMUG] Van vs Tractor Oops..

[Mike Hammett]

oops 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Roland Houin"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:14:15 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Van vs Tractor Oops.. 

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House

[David Milholen]

It might make good popcorn if its adjusted right LOL



On 11/16/2016 3:26 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:


Well, maybe 60GHz room to room might make a decent extender as well 
ala UBNT Amplifi HD.


I think UBNT should make an Amplifi HD HD with 802.11ad and ac, lol!

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:46 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House

Sorry, a bit late on the reply on this one...

With beamforming antennas, you might be surprised what it can 
accomplish in-room even at knee level.  I like your idea.  60GHz 
bounces off of walls and other objects very well.


-Hal

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 12:42 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:


Yes, that sounds about right.

Taking a closer look at the properties of 802.11ad, maybe they
need to make a “thin” device for each room with Ethernet.

Something like an in wall (1Gang) unit that has POE from the
central location, a GigE Ethernet port and a thin 6’ flat cable
with a small 60GHz array at the end that sticks on the wall.

Then you could get that antenna up higher for LOS in the room
without using a ceiling AP?

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
*Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:03 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House

I think the idea is that 11ad will be opportunistic offload. For
enterprise it makes a lot of sense because you have dense users
and ceiling mounted APs.  For home it is a little more challenging
because you would need one in each room that you want to "offload"
to 60GHz.

The applications where 60ghz makes sense is where you would think
seriously about using a wire (where you need high bandwidth, low
latency - basically a wire experience).  Video streaming, gaming,
that sort of stuff would be the low-hanging fruit.

-Hal

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:06 AM Seth Mattinen > wrote:

On 11/12/16 7:04 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> I would think that 60 GHz "might" be useful if the AP and a
UHD TV were
> in the same room, and your 2.4GHz and 5GHz channels were all
trash
> because of close proximity of neighbors.
>
> But overall, I think it would be more trouble than most
consumers can
> deal with.


I've been using a 60GHz HDMI bridge for several years between
the AV
gear and the projector. Works great unless the cat sits on it
because
it's warm.

~Seth



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Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

[Bill Prince]

Ouchy ouchy ouchy.

No one hurt? Man, that could have been so much worse...


bp


On 11/16/2016 3:10 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

That'll buff out...

Noone injured. Not my photos.

Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

[Eric Kuhnke]

That appears to be the case. Somewhere there is a crane company's insurance
adjuster having a very bad day.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 5:51 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> did they take out two company trucks and a trailer?
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
> wrote:
>
>> an old, rare, weird one?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> What kind of tower is that in the background in the second photo?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:55 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.
>>>
>>> Ouch .. glad to hear nobody hurt…
>>>
>>> Several years back at former company I worked at, we had a crane
>>> operator standing up a 200’ tower and he overextended somehow and tower let
>>> go (cables snapped) … tower came down - nobody hurt neither… and aside from
>>> the tower getting totalled there was no nearby damage
>>>
>>> > On Nov 16, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Eric Kuhnke 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > That'll buff out...
>>> >
>>> > Noone injured. Not my photos.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >> 15135938_10210980500572299_2748788527527099765_n.jpg>>> 15036484_10210980500132288_6481383969647706206_n.jpg>>> 15085514_10210980499692277_4810068468175971326_n.jpg>>> 15036456_10210980499252266_6837419155838955108_n.jpg>>> 14993358_10210980498772254_2972984119598069834_n.jpg>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

did they take out two company trucks and a trailer?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> an old, rare, weird one?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> What kind of tower is that in the background in the second photo?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:55 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.
>>
>> Ouch .. glad to hear nobody hurt…
>>
>> Several years back at former company I worked at, we had a crane operator
>> standing up a 200’ tower and he overextended somehow and tower let go
>> (cables snapped) … tower came down - nobody hurt neither… and aside from
>> the tower getting totalled there was no nearby damage
>>
>> > On Nov 16, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>> >
>> > That'll buff out...
>> >
>> > Noone injured. Not my photos.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > 15135938_10210980500572299_2748788527527099765_n.jpg>> 15036484_10210980500132288_6481383969647706206_n.jpg>> 15085514_10210980499692277_4810068468175971326_n.jpg>> 15036456_10210980499252266_6837419155838955108_n.jpg>> 14993358_10210980498772254_2972984119598069834_n.jpg>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

[Eric Kuhnke]

an old, rare, weird one?



On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What kind of tower is that in the background in the second photo?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:55 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.
>
> Ouch .. glad to hear nobody hurt…
>
> Several years back at former company I worked at, we had a crane operator
> standing up a 200’ tower and he overextended somehow and tower let go
> (cables snapped) … tower came down - nobody hurt neither… and aside from
> the tower getting totalled there was no nearby damage
>
> > On Nov 16, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> >
> > That'll buff out...
> >
> > Noone injured. Not my photos.
> >
> >
> >
> >  15135938_10210980500572299_2748788527527099765_n.jpg> 15036484_10210980500132288_6481383969647706206_n.jpg> 15085514_10210980499692277_4810068468175971326_n.jpg> 15036456_10210980499252266_6837419155838955108_n.jpg> 14993358_10210980498772254_2972984119598069834_n.jpg>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

[Ken Hohhof]

What kind of tower is that in the background in the second photo?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 6:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

Ouch .. glad to hear nobody hurt…

Several years back at former company I worked at, we had a crane operator 
standing up a 200’ tower and he overextended somehow and tower let go (cables 
snapped) … tower came down - nobody hurt neither… and aside from the tower 
getting totalled there was no nearby damage 

> On Nov 16, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> That'll buff out... 
> 
> Noone injured. Not my photos.
> 
> 
> 
>  15135938_10210980500572299_2748788527527099765_n.jpg> 15036484_10210980500132288_6481383969647706206_n.jpg> 15085514_10210980499692277_4810068468175971326_n.jpg> 15036456_10210980499252266_6837419155838955108_n.jpg> 14993358_10210980498772254_2972984119598069834_n.jpg>

Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

[Paul Stewart]

Ouch .. glad to hear nobody hurt…

Several years back at former company I worked at, we had a crane operator 
standing up a 200’ tower and he overextended somehow and tower let go (cables 
snapped) … tower came down - nobody hurt neither… and aside from the tower 
getting totalled there was no nearby damage 

> On Nov 16, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> That'll buff out... 
> 
> Noone injured. Not my photos.
> 
> 
> 
>  15135938_10210980500572299_2748788527527099765_n.jpg> 15036484_10210980500132288_6481383969647706206_n.jpg> 15085514_10210980499692277_4810068468175971326_n.jpg> 15036456_10210980499252266_6837419155838955108_n.jpg> 14993358_10210980498772254_2972984119598069834_n.jpg>

[AFMUG] FCC Abides by GOP request to stop voting until after inauguration

[Josh Reynolds]

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/16/11/16/2146253/fcc-abides-by-gop-request-to-stop-what-its-doing-deletes-everything-from-meeting-agenda

Soo... guess no 11% price cap decrease on business data services

:(

Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

[Chuck McCown]

Tole ‘m to put out the outriggers, but no

From: Eric Kuhnke 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 4:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

That'll buff out... 


Noone injured. Not my photos.

Re: [AFMUG] Crane safety: Oops.

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep.  Polish and bando... No problem

On Nov 16, 2016 4:11 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> That'll buff out...
>
> Noone injured. Not my photos.
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] URGENT Any Vendor have a HP2-18EXD in stock?

[SmarterBroadband]

A crew from another company damaged one of our dishes and we need a
replacement ASAP.

 

HP2-18EXD.

 

Can anyone help?

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House

[Sterling Jacobson]

Well, maybe 60GHz room to room might make a decent extender as well ala UBNT 
Amplifi HD.

I think UBNT should make an Amplifi HD HD with 802.11ad and ac, lol!



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:46 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House

Sorry, a bit late on the reply on this one...

With beamforming antennas, you might be surprised what it can accomplish 
in-room even at knee level.  I like your idea.  60GHz bounces off of walls and 
other objects very well.

-Hal
On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 12:42 PM Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
Yes, that sounds about right.

Taking a closer look at the properties of 802.11ad, maybe they need to make a 
“thin” device for each room with Ethernet.

Something like an in wall (1Gang) unit that has POE from the central location, 
a GigE Ethernet port and a thin 6’ flat cable with a small 60GHz array at the 
end that sticks on the wall.

Then you could get that antenna up higher for LOS in the room without using a 
ceiling AP?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:03 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House

I think the idea is that 11ad will be opportunistic offload. For enterprise it 
makes a lot of sense because you have dense users and ceiling mounted APs.  For 
home it is a little more challenging because you would need one in each room 
that you want to "offload" to 60GHz.

The applications where 60ghz makes sense is where you would think seriously 
about using a wire (where you need high bandwidth, low latency - basically a 
wire experience).  Video streaming, gaming, that sort of stuff would be the 
low-hanging fruit.

-Hal

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:06 AM Seth Mattinen 
> wrote:
On 11/12/16 7:04 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> I would think that 60 GHz "might" be useful if the AP and a UHD TV were
> in the same room, and your 2.4GHz and 5GHz channels were all trash
> because of close proximity of neighbors.
>
> But overall, I think it would be more trouble than most consumers can
> deal with.


I've been using a 60GHz HDMI bridge for several years between the AV
gear and the projector. Works great unless the cat sits on it because
it's warm.

~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] OT Office Lighting Change to LED

[Sterling Jacobson]

I did the direct drop in replacement, still in process.

I had T8 in banks of three per ballast/light, but I am replacing 19 banks with 
only two LED replacements each on the 5000k 'blue' kind.

I believe I will go from something like 1600W to around 650W for the entire 
thing.

The boxes of them I'm buying off Amazon are about $60 shipped for 10, so that 
is 4 boxes at $240 total to replace them.

Not sure on ROI, might be a couple years.

-Sterling

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Tyler
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:50 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Office Lighting Change to LED

They make both kinds of LED lights. Direct drop in replacements and those which 
run directly off of AC power which have to have the ballast removed.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:31:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Office Lighting Change to LED

 I will also relate what we did in our kitchen. Our kitchen had two recessed 
fluorescent lights that consumed about 160 watts total. We replaced those with 
9 recessed LED lights that consume 60 watts total. So we save about 100 watts 
if we run them at 100% power; which we rarely do. The LED lights are on a 
dimmer, and we typically run them at 10-50% of full power. using this as a 
factor, I would say we're actually using something closer to 30 watts on a 
continuous basis. So we are actually using ~~ 130 watts less power. We run 
these lights maybe 5-8 hours per day, so it add up. We are also in the "triple 
penalty box" with regard to our power consumption, so the incremental power 
costs us close to 30 cents a kilowatt hour. In the final analysis, the lights 
save 
  bp


 

On 10/11/2016 10:30 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
  
 Anyone ever replaced their standard fluorescence ceiling lights with LEDs?

I haven't researched it much yet, but someone told me you can't just use a drop 
in long bulb replacement.
You have to change out the center piece, forgot what that's called.

Is that correct?

Is this something I can do myself? Or do I need to hire a company?

My system has about 24 bays with three bulbs each drawing about 1500W when they 
are all working.

Do I save much by going LED on these? What's ROI?
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

[Sean Heskett]

hey gino,

we are waiting for the FCC to approve the DFS band before we move clients
to the 450m's.  We had to get them on the tower and alive tho because it's
about to be snow season and one tower is at the top of the ski area, the
other tower is across the valley.

I'll report more once we have clients attached.  right now i don't have
much to say other than they are powered on and have sync ;-)

-sean



On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> So what has been the experience with the 450M?
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Sean Heskett  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 8:17 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing
>
> So interesting story here...we have three 450m's in the air and they are
> getting sync over power from a packetflux gigabit sync injector & timing
> over timing port via a packetflux sync injector 12.
>
> Old style sync seems to work just fine on the 450m.
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Based on what others have said, I think it is all part of the "Precision
>> Timing Protocol", it is an IP-based way of distributing timing information.
>> Look up IEEE 1588-2008, or Precision Timing Protocol Version 2.
>>
>> No more timing pulses.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Well, sending a pulse sounds like AM to me.  Perhaps level shifting would
>> be a better term to use.
>>
>> *From:* Daniel White
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:40 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing
>>
>> Something completely new.
>>
>> Instead of interrupting power, they are sending a “pulse” of power per
>> sync pulse.  I don’t recall the details on it at this point.
>>
>> CMM5 FYI is looking like December availability now.
>>
>> Daniel White
>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>> ConVergence Technologies
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:40 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing
>>
>> So.. is "Cambium Sync" still a power interruption scheme or something
>> completely new? I thought the thing they were going to move to was 1588v2?
>> On 11/15/2016 1:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> I guess I need to be more clear on this. ..
>> There are two types of sync over power.
>> The first is being called Canopy sync,  which is compatible  with the
>> 450i and earlier radios.
>> The second is being called Cambium sync and is compatible with the 450M
>> and I'm guessing later radios.
>> Currently there are devices that produce the cambium sync pulse...  The
>> CMM5 and I'm about 100% certain that Last Mile Gear has one as well.   I
>> have the technical information I need,  just haven't had a chance to get
>> the circuit designed (I only received it shortly before wispapalooza), let
>> alone tested.
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2016 7:52 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>> No,  Cambium elected  to drop the traditional sync over power on the 450M.
>> So,  you either need to use timing port sync (via the aux port) or use
>> what they're calling cambium sync.
>> The 1U injector is very close.  I need to finish validation on the latest
>> board revisions and then will be releasing it to production assuming there
>> isn't some showstopper I missed.
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2016 7:34 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
>>
>> Shouldn't the sync over power for the 450M be the same as PMP450i?
>>
>> How is the 1u sync injector coming?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>  wrote:
>> > All of the currently shipping syncbox product line are compatible.  For
>> sync
>> > over power, I have the specs, but the design isn't done yet.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Nov 14, 2016 5:40 PM, "Sam Lambie"  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A question for Forrest mostly. Have you come up with a timing product
>> for
>> >> the 450m AP yet? If not, have you got a timeline for release?
>> >>
>> >> Sam
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> --
>> >> Sam Lambie
>> >> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> >> 575-758-7598 Office
>> >> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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[AFMUG] Google engineer: Wireless industry needs to 'break the model of exclusive spectrum' | FierceWireless

[Jaime Solorza]

http://www.fiercewireless.com/tech/google-engineer-wireless-industry-needs-to-break-model-exclusive-spectrum?mkt_tok=eyJpIjoiT0RNeFpXRmtZemhqWkdSaSIsInQiOiJnTEJQSlFUODhiU3NmVFg1MXZDSG1oR3BGQVBDVEd5K1BmRDEzbU0zQlwvSmZuVVIrUERZOEszWlNnclhVbHpkUjU3T2Fva3lcL250c3VudUxhQXo3cUtHXC9aTDBmZHBnbUhUT3ZPeFQzTXpycz0ifQ%3D%3D=27472010=27472010%3Futm_medium%3Dnl_medium=nl_source=internal_source=internal

Re: [AFMUG] Customer router impact on 5G 450 connection

[Eric Muehleisen]

The 802.11ac Quantenna chipset uses client SNR, RSSI, PHY rate, SSID
beacons, etc...to measure noise/interference and make channel changing
decisions.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:50 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> I think part of (maybe the) problem with auto channel selection is that it
> will look for the channel with the least number of 802.11 beacons. So if
> your non-802.11 radio is transmitting, it may be drowning out any 802.11
> stuff on the same or adjacent channels and make it look cleaner than it
> really is.
>
> I believe this is one of the things that Cambium did with ACS on ePMP. It
> looks at 802.11 beacons as well as background noise.
>
>
> On 11/16/2016 12:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
>> Auto on most routers typically is only choosing when the router reboots.
>> So..   Power outage/glitch, router boots, looks around, sees no other
>> traffic ( because all other routers nearby are rebooting because of same
>> glitch ), settles on first channel.   Ditto for all other routers, and
>> _then_ they start talking...   Oops we are all on the same channel...
>>
>> Repeat ad nausium...
>>
>> On 11/16/2016 09:39 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>
>>> We were talking about this the other day, it seems often that "auto" on
>>> consumer routers tends to pick the noisiest channel for some reason.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Brian Sullivan
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, I believe I am seeing a customer's router using the same channel
>>> we are delivering their service on.
>>> Our user's power level stayed constant but SNR dropped 20dB during
>>> their 9 hour download.  Neighbors are unaffected.
>>> And it seems like just one device is the house is using that band
>>> because there's traffic earlier in the day that doesn't affect SNR.
>>>
>>> Other than providing a router or being a FTTH ISP, how do you handle
>>> avoiding this type of mess?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Routerboard CCR1036

[can...@believewireless.net]

We converted our CCR1036's to DC. Ours had the two connectors and we just
wired the second one up for DC 24V.
Will run with AC plugged in as well.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:27 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> I can't remember the plug type, but I got 10 of them so if u want one or
> two send me your address. Depending on the age of your CCR1036 it's either
> : 1. two connectors, ready for redundant second psu, 2. one connector,
> needs second connector installed. 3. One connector, second connector is not
> connected to board/missing voltage regulator.
>
> I think they are 14-30v, you can just wire a pigtail from the board
> connector to a 2.1x5.5mm jack that you panel mount in the back of the
> router, then use a male 2.1x5.5 to go to your DC plant. If you want
> redundant with the onboard AC use two  10a rectifier diodes in series with
> the positive side of the two power sources.
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. <
> mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone powered one of these routers via DC (not PoE)? It looks like
>> the board supports 2 power ports on the board (setup for dual power) and I
>> want to make sure I have redundant power which I can do via DC. I need to
>> determine the plug and the voltage.
>>
>> Gilbert
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

1588v2 works best when every hop is 1588v2 aware and compatible.  This
means every router, switch, etc between the clock master and the radio
should be qualified for correct operations.  1588v2 compatible gear tends
to be much more expensive.

On Nov 16, 2016 3:38 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Well, as long as your ethernet is fast and not jittery it sure seems like
> an ideal solution.  I guess it all depends on the absolute resolution you
> have to have on a guaranteed basis.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:35 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing
>
> I'm not sure why everyone doesn't use that for timing. There may be
> technical reasons I don't know about, but it seems like a logical first
> step, use something everyone else is already using.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Bill Prince" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:30:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing
>
> So that makes me very confused unless the PTPV2 is a "future" feature...
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:19 PM, Sean Heskett 
> wrote:
>
>
> So interesting story here...we have three 450m's in the air and they are
> getting sync over power from a packetflux gigabit sync injector & timing
> over timing port via a packetflux sync injector 12.
>
> Old style sync seems to work just fine on the 450m.
>
> -Sean
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Based on what others have said, I think it is all part of the "Precision
> Timing Protocol", it is an IP-based way of distributing timing information.
> Look up IEEE 1588-2008, or Precision Timing Protocol Version 2.
>
> No more timing pulses.
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
>
>
> Well, sending a pulse sounds like AM to me.  Perhaps level shifting would
> be a better term to use.
>
> *From:* Daniel White
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:40 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing
>
> Something completely new.
>
> Instead of interrupting power, they are sending a “pulse” of power per
> sync pulse.  I don’t recall the details on it at this point.
>
> CMM5 FYI is looking like December availability now.
>
> Daniel White
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
> ConVergence Technologies
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing
>
> So.. is "Cambium Sync" still a power interruption scheme or something
> completely new? I thought the thing they were going to move to was 1588v2?
> On 11/15/2016 1:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>
> I guess I need to be more clear on this. ..
> There are two types of sync over power.
> The first is being called Canopy sync,  which is compatible  with the 450i
> and earlier radios.
> The second is being called Cambium sync and is compatible with the 450M
> and I'm guessing later radios.
> Currently there are devices that produce the cambium sync pulse...  The
> CMM5 and I'm about 100% certain that Last Mile Gear has one as well.   I
> have the technical information I need,  just haven't had a chance to get
> the circuit designed (I only received it shortly before wispapalooza), let
> alone tested.
>
> On Nov 14, 2016 7:52 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
> No,  Cambium elected  to drop the traditional sync over power on the 450M.
> So,  you either need to use timing port sync (via the aux port) or use
> what they're calling cambium sync.
> The 1U injector is very close.  I need to finish validation on the latest
> board revisions and then will be releasing it to production assuming there
> isn't some showstopper I missed.
>
> On Nov 14, 2016 7:34 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
>
> Shouldn't the sync over power for the 450M be the same as PMP450i?
>
> How is the 1u sync injector coming?
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>  wrote:
> > All of the currently shipping syncbox product line are 

Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system

[Chris Gustaf]

I can answer the question about XPIC that Mike Hammett asked.  With XPIC
the opposite polarization signal is dynamically inverted, scaled and
essentially summed with the desired polarization to remove the effect of
SNR/MSE degradation.  That is why we have two coax cables connecting the
radios, so they can both remove the opposite polarization signal.

It takes at least -36 dB MSE to achieve 1024 QAM with ACM on, and since
antenna crosspol isolation is typically -30 dB, it would be impossible to
run both polarizations on a single antenna with such high modulations on an
unfaded link without signal processing.

With XPIC we can have both polarizations running 1024 QAM error free and a
net MSE of better than -38 dB with one polarization faded by 18 dB relative
to the other on the air (H/V isolation of only 12 dB at the radio input)

Hope this answers the question.

Chris Gustaf
Trango Engineering

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

> It's not 100% clear from your description, but the AF11x is
>
> bp
> 
>
>
>
>
> On 10/24/2016 4:28 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
> I will take a crack at it... just to make sure that My understanding is
> correct too.
>
> In licensed radio world, the default lingo is as follows:-
>A single channel  is actually two channels, one channel is used to
> Transmit and the other channel is used to receive.
>and each of these channels pair can be either in V polarity or H
> polarity (but not mingled).
>
> XPIC is used to describe a radio where you can mount two radios together,
> one using the H polarity and the other using V polarity, but the same
> channel...
> But still only one channel (H + V) is used to transmit and the other
> channel is used to Receive. (Thus Full duplex)
>
> MIMO, = One Channel, both H & V polarities are used,  and either one
> can be used for Tx and Rx  (thus half duplex)
>
> AF11x =  Traditional Licensed radio... one channel/polarity for TX  and
> one channel/polarity for RX
> Mimosa B11 =  Disruptive... a very odd animal... can be configured as...
> Use one channel (both polarities)
>  for TX  and one channel (both polarities) for RX
>  or ... Use Two Channels, both polarities in
> each channel, and use either one to TX & RX  (more like a dual channel MIMO)
> AF5  =Uses one channel (both polarities) for Tx and one channel (both
> polarities) for RX
>
> AF24 =   can be used as
>One Channel (Dual Polarities) for TX
>  and one Channel (Dual Polarities) for RX
>or can use the same one channel (dual
> polarities) for Tx and Rx.
>
> Hope this is as clear as mud !
>
> :)
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"George Skorup"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 7:09:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest capacity 6 GHz system
>
> What's so much different between XPIC and MIMO? I'm asking because I guess
> I'm just ignorant. MIMO = single carrier (is OFDM implied?), dual streams?
> And XPIC = dual carriers (is single-carrier QAM per channel implied?) and
> independent streams that are aggregated in hardware, perhaps as simple as a
> LAG on the internal switch? Or does XPIC add some more magic?
>
> So then what is the UBNT AF11X considered? Or the AF5 and 24 for that
> matter since they're also capable of FDD.
>
> On 10/24/2016 5:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> Can a non-vendor tell me if at higher order modulations if there's
> limiting gain from co-channel XPIC? I assume it works to some degree
> because it's marketed (yes, I have a tub of salt over here), but at some
> point the modulations would be sensitive enough where the X-pol isolation
> isn't sufficient?
>
> Okay, a vendor can if they're more technical than salesy.
>
> I'm not meaning to imply John was salesy.
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"John Seaman"  
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, October 24, 2016 3:55:17 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Highest 

Re: [AFMUG] Customer router impact on 5G 450 connection

[George Skorup]

I think part of (maybe the) problem with auto channel selection is that 
it will look for the channel with the least number of 802.11 beacons. So 
if your non-802.11 radio is transmitting, it may be drowning out any 
802.11 stuff on the same or adjacent channels and make it look cleaner 
than it really is.


I believe this is one of the things that Cambium did with ACS on ePMP. 
It looks at 802.11 beacons as well as background noise.


On 11/16/2016 12:26 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Auto on most routers typically is only choosing when the router 
reboots.  So..   Power outage/glitch, router boots, looks around, sees 
no other traffic ( because all other routers nearby are rebooting 
because of same glitch ), settles on first channel.   Ditto for all 
other routers, and _then_ they start talking...   Oops we are all on 
the same channel...


Repeat ad nausium...

On 11/16/2016 09:39 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

We were talking about this the other day, it seems often that "auto" on
consumer routers tends to pick the noisiest channel for some reason.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Brian Sullivan
> wrote:

Hi, I believe I am seeing a customer's router using the same channel
we are delivering their service on.
Our user's power level stayed constant but SNR dropped 20dB during
their 9 hour download.  Neighbors are unaffected.
And it seems like just one device is the house is using that band
because there's traffic earlier in the day that doesn't affect SNR.

Other than providing a router or being a FTTH ISP, how do you handle
avoiding this type of mess?






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Customer router impact on 5G 450 connection

[Robert Andrews]

Auto on most routers typically is only choosing when the router reboots. 
 So..   Power outage/glitch, router boots, looks around, sees no other 
traffic ( because all other routers nearby are rebooting because of same 
glitch ), settles on first channel.   Ditto for all other routers, and 
_then_ they start talking...   Oops we are all on the same channel...


Repeat ad nausium...

On 11/16/2016 09:39 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

We were talking about this the other day, it seems often that "auto" on
consumer routers tends to pick the noisiest channel for some reason.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Brian Sullivan
> wrote:

Hi, I believe I am seeing a customer's router using the same channel
we are delivering their service on.
Our user's power level stayed constant but SNR dropped 20dB during
their 9 hour download.  Neighbors are unaffected.
And it seems like just one device is the house is using that band
because there's traffic earlier in the day that doesn't affect SNR.

Other than providing a router or being a FTTH ISP, how do you handle
avoiding this type of mess?






--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Guess who came to mind

[Jaime Solorza]

Picadillo comes two ways around here... Shredded or ground beef Browned
and no grease,  cooked with sliced jalapenos,  tomatoes and onions... All
cooked together after meat gets browned... No beans in it American
Chile/Chili is more regional

On Nov 16, 2016 10:56 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> So, how does picadillo differ from american style chilli beans?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:51 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Guess who came to mind
>
>
> My breakfast this morning was two eggs, picadillo, hash browns and retried
> beans with flour tortillas... This is not on any Denny's menu I know..
> Farmers Brothers coffee as well.Best part. Wife paid.   for you poor
> souls who have never had picadillo you don't know what you are missing...
> nothing like fresh jalapenos... No canned crap at The Hut
>
> On Nov 15, 2016 4:37 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> No like Dennys
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2016 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>>> Go to Dennys, get the senior discount!
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:31 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Guess who came to mind
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes it is.   I am 61 and took day off... Well kind of.   Should have
>>> left phone at home or in truck.
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2016 4:24 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey isn't it your birthday?

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 On Nov 15, 2016 6:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> At Barnes and Noble
>

Re: [AFMUG] Guess who came to mind

[Chuck McCown]

So, how does picadillo differ from american style chilli beans?

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:51 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Guess who came to mind

My breakfast this morning was two eggs, picadillo, hash browns and retried 
beans with flour tortillas... This is not on any Denny's menu I know..   
Farmers Brothers coffee as well.Best part. Wife paid.   for you poor souls 
who have never had picadillo you don't know what you are missing... nothing 
like fresh jalapenos... No canned crap at The Hut


On Nov 15, 2016 4:37 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  No like Dennys


  On Nov 15, 2016 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Go to Dennys, get the senior discount!

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:31 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Guess who came to mind

Yes it is.   I am 61 and took day off... Well kind of.   Should have left 
phone at home or in truck. 


On Nov 15, 2016 4:24 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

  Hey isn't it your birthday?

  Josh Luthman
  Office: 937-552-2340
  Direct: 937-552-2343
  1100 Wayne St
  Suite 1337
  Troy, OH 45373


  On Nov 15, 2016 6:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  
wrote:

At Barnes and Noble

Re: [AFMUG] Routerboard CCR1036

[TJ Trout]

I can't remember the plug type, but I got 10 of them so if u want one or
two send me your address. Depending on the age of your CCR1036 it's either
: 1. two connectors, ready for redundant second psu, 2. one connector,
needs second connector installed. 3. One connector, second connector is not
connected to board/missing voltage regulator.

I think they are 14-30v, you can just wire a pigtail from the board
connector to a 2.1x5.5mm jack that you panel mount in the back of the
router, then use a male 2.1x5.5 to go to your DC plant. If you want
redundant with the onboard AC use two  10a rectifier diodes in series with
the positive side of the two power sources.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:

> Has anyone powered one of these routers via DC (not PoE)? It looks like
> the board supports 2 power ports on the board (setup for dual power) and I
> want to make sure I have redundant power which I can do via DC. I need to
> determine the plug and the voltage.
>
> Gilbert
>
>

[AFMUG] Routerboard CCR1036

[Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.]

Has anyone powered one of these routers via DC (not PoE)? It looks like 
the board supports 2 power ports on the board (setup for dual power) and 
I want to make sure I have redundant power which I can do via DC. I need 
to determine the plug and the voltage.


Gilbert

Re: [AFMUG] Hanging Sectors off a parapet

[Josh Luthman]

Whoa that's awesome!


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:08 PM, Daniel White  wrote:

> Sam,
>
>
>
> Something like this is what I have used on commercial buildings in years
> past.  For the rooftops in your area it should work too:
>
>
>
> http://www.commscope.com/catalog/doc/pdf/174/Non-
> Penetrating_Parapet_Mount.pdf
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Hanging Sectors off a parapet
>
>
>
> I am working on a house that has a few AP's on it and the owner would
> rather not have anymore things sticking up in the sky. So I thought I could
> hang the Antennas off the parapet and paint them the color of the wall..
> has anyone done this? And if so, is there pre-made gear that can be
> purchased?
>
>
>
> --
>
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
>
> 
>  Virus-free.
> www.avast.com
> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hanging Sectors off a parapet

[Daniel White]

Sam,



Something like this is what I have used on commercial buildings in years past.  
For the rooftops in your area it should work too:



http://www.commscope.com/catalog/doc/pdf/174/Non-Penetrating_Parapet_Mount.pdf



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Hanging Sectors off a parapet



I am working on a house that has a few AP's on it and the owner would rather 
not have anymore things sticking up in the sky. So I thought I could hang the 
Antennas off the parapet and paint them the color of the wall.. has anyone done 
this? And if so, is there pre-made gear that can be purchased?





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[AFMUG] OT El Paso Taco Party: Free tacos, beer at the park this weekend

[Jaime Solorza]

I am going to miss this one as I will be out of town But the places
they mention cater to blander Tacos

http://elpaso411.com/2016/11/el-paso-taco-party-free-tacos-beer-at-the-park-this-weekend/

Re: [AFMUG] OT Office Lighting Change to LED

[Christopher Tyler]

They make both kinds of LED lights. Direct drop in replacements and those which 
run directly off of AC power which have to have the ballast removed.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:31:56 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Office Lighting Change to LED

 I will also relate what we did in our kitchen. Our kitchen had two recessed 
fluorescent lights that consumed about 160 watts total. We replaced those with 
9 recessed LED lights that consume 60 watts total. So we save about 100 watts 
if we run them at 100% power; which we rarely do. The LED lights are on a 
dimmer, and we typically run them at 10-50% of full power. using this as a 
factor, I would say we're actually using something closer to 30 watts on a 
continuous basis. So we are actually using ~~ 130 watts less power. We run 
these lights maybe 5-8 hours per day, so it add up. We are also in the "triple 
penalty box" with regard to our power consumption, so the incremental power 
costs us close to 30 cents a kilowatt hour. In the final analysis, the lights 
save 
  bp


 

On 10/11/2016 10:30 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
  
 Anyone ever replaced their standard fluorescence ceiling lights with LEDs?

I haven't researched it much yet, but someone told me you can't just use a drop 
in long bulb replacement.
You have to change out the center piece, forgot what that's called.

Is that correct?

Is this something I can do myself? Or do I need to hire a company?

My system has about 24 bays with three bulbs each drawing about 1500W when they 
are all working.

Do I save much by going LED on these? What's ROI?
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[Jaime Solorza]

Ha!!!  Touche'

On Nov 16, 2016 9:43 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> do you think he would have spent as much time on him if he knew what he
> was going to end up doing with a belt and lemon peel?
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> Ah ..you missed it completely...I weep for our youth
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbNCBVzPYak
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:20 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am not a grasshopper, Im a go***mned butterfly!
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Jaime Solorza <
>>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 the answer is in your question, grasshopper.

 Jaime Solorza
 Wireless Systems Architect
 915-861-1390

 On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:26 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
 thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why did it take someone as abrupt  as trump coming along for this guy
> to decide to diversify his countries interests, why not when he was
> president? The cartel money was too good or what? I would love to see our
> southern neighbor as successful as our northern one appears to be.
> Sometimes I mow my lawn, but if both my neighbors mow their lawn I
> always mow my lawn.
>
> On Nov 16, 2016 9:17 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> From what i read this morning the goal is to diversify their partners
>> so not to depend on one source... Germany and other European countries 
>> are
>> offering Mexico trade deals aggressively.  I have no confidence in 
>> Trump's
>> knowledge of NAFTA and foreign trade,  except maybe on how get his cheap
>> labor clothing line produced.   Hopefully this guy (quoting Bernie)  will
>> hire competent folks and not his lackey brown nosing group.  Ford is 
>> going
>> ahead with expansion into Mexico without cutting US jobs.These are
>> business decisions not political ones.   BTW... You Canopy guys ever know
>> where most of that line was manufactured?
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2016 7:28 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the
>>> US is the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. 
>>> It is
>>> difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not
>>> impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to 
>>> major
>>> consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only 
>>> a
>>> few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its labor rates.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 What do they look like when it is frigid?

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms


 Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more
 countries and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab 
 countries,
 India and South America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US..
 This shift to importing from other than US is going to impact us for 
 sure.
 He is quoting Abe Lincoln.   He is much more worldly and intelligent 
 than
 elected dude.   Plus their weather girls are hotter.

>>>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

do you think he would have spent as much time on him if he knew what he was
going to end up doing with a belt and lemon peel?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Ah ..you missed it completely...I weep for our youth
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbNCBVzPYak
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:20 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am not a grasshopper, Im a go***mned butterfly!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> the answer is in your question, grasshopper.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>> 915-861-1390
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:26 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Why did it take someone as abrupt  as trump coming along for this guy
 to decide to diversify his countries interests, why not when he was
 president? The cartel money was too good or what? I would love to see our
 southern neighbor as successful as our northern one appears to be.
 Sometimes I mow my lawn, but if both my neighbors mow their lawn I
 always mow my lawn.

 On Nov 16, 2016 9:17 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
 wrote:

> From what i read this morning the goal is to diversify their partners
> so not to depend on one source... Germany and other European countries are
> offering Mexico trade deals aggressively.  I have no confidence in Trump's
> knowledge of NAFTA and foreign trade,  except maybe on how get his cheap
> labor clothing line produced.   Hopefully this guy (quoting Bernie)  will
> hire competent folks and not his lackey brown nosing group.  Ford is going
> ahead with expansion into Mexico without cutting US jobs.These are
> business decisions not political ones.   BTW... You Canopy guys ever know
> where most of that line was manufactured?
>
> On Nov 16, 2016 7:28 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
> wrote:
>
>> The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the
>> US is the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It 
>> is
>> difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not
>> impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to major
>> consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only a
>> few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its labor rates.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> What do they look like when it is frigid?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms
>>>
>>>
>>> Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more
>>> countries and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab 
>>> countries,
>>> India and South America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US..
>>> This shift to importing from other than US is going to impact us for 
>>> sure.
>>> He is quoting Abe Lincoln.   He is much more worldly and intelligent 
>>> than
>>> elected dude.   Plus their weather girls are hotter.
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Looking for AF11x

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Hello,

I realize that this is a long shot.

I am looking for one pair of AF-11x (low band) radios.

Anyone with any leads, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[Jaime Solorza]

Ah ..you missed it completely...I weep for our youth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbNCBVzPYak


Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:20 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am not a grasshopper, Im a go***mned butterfly!
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> the answer is in your question, grasshopper.
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:26 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Why did it take someone as abrupt  as trump coming along for this guy to
>>> decide to diversify his countries interests, why not when he was president?
>>> The cartel money was too good or what? I would love to see our southern
>>> neighbor as successful as our northern one appears to be.
>>> Sometimes I mow my lawn, but if both my neighbors mow their lawn I
>>> always mow my lawn.
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2016 9:17 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 From what i read this morning the goal is to diversify their partners
 so not to depend on one source... Germany and other European countries are
 offering Mexico trade deals aggressively.  I have no confidence in Trump's
 knowledge of NAFTA and foreign trade,  except maybe on how get his cheap
 labor clothing line produced.   Hopefully this guy (quoting Bernie)  will
 hire competent folks and not his lackey brown nosing group.  Ford is going
 ahead with expansion into Mexico without cutting US jobs.These are
 business decisions not political ones.   BTW... You Canopy guys ever know
 where most of that line was manufactured?

 On Nov 16, 2016 7:28 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
 wrote:

> The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the US
> is the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It is
> difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not
> impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to major
> consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only a
> few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its labor rates.
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> What do they look like when it is frigid?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms
>>
>>
>> Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more
>> countries and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab countries,
>> India and South America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US..
>> This shift to importing from other than US is going to impact us for 
>> sure.
>> He is quoting Abe Lincoln.   He is much more worldly and intelligent than
>> elected dude.   Plus their weather girls are hotter.
>>
>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Hanging Sectors off a parapet

[Chuck McCown]

Nice looking.

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:20 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Hanging Sectors off a parapet

On a barnon this one I mounted unistrut horizontal and then used strut 
straps to mount pipes for the sector mounts.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

  Here is another option that works on homes with false chimneys (we have a lot 
of these around here).

  On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

Like this? Can you spot the two APs?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

  I am working on a house that has a few AP's on it and the owner would 
rather not have anymore things sticking up in the sky. So I thought I could 
hang the Antennas off the parapet and paint them the color of the wall.. has 
anyone done this? And if so, is there pre-made gear that can be purchased?




  -- 

  -- 
  Sam Lambie
  Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  575-758-7598 Office
  www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] Hanging Sectors off a parapet

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

those are freaking beautiful. You could hide alot of stuff in pvc drain
tile and paint it. Is there such a thing as non metallic silver paint?

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 10:18 AM, Jeremy  wrote:

> Here is another option that works on homes with false chimneys (we have a
> lot of these around here).
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
>
>> Like this? Can you spot the two APs?
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> I am working on a house that has a few AP's on it and the owner would
>>> rather not have anymore things sticking up in the sky. So I thought I could
>>> hang the Antennas off the parapet and paint them the color of the wall..
>>> has anyone done this? And if so, is there pre-made gear that can be
>>> purchased?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

I am not a grasshopper, Im a go***mned butterfly!

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:29 AM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> the answer is in your question, grasshopper.
>
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:26 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why did it take someone as abrupt  as trump coming along for this guy to
>> decide to diversify his countries interests, why not when he was president?
>> The cartel money was too good or what? I would love to see our southern
>> neighbor as successful as our northern one appears to be.
>> Sometimes I mow my lawn, but if both my neighbors mow their lawn I always
>> mow my lawn.
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2016 9:17 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> From what i read this morning the goal is to diversify their partners so
>>> not to depend on one source... Germany and other European countries are
>>> offering Mexico trade deals aggressively.  I have no confidence in Trump's
>>> knowledge of NAFTA and foreign trade,  except maybe on how get his cheap
>>> labor clothing line produced.   Hopefully this guy (quoting Bernie)  will
>>> hire competent folks and not his lackey brown nosing group.  Ford is going
>>> ahead with expansion into Mexico without cutting US jobs.These are
>>> business decisions not political ones.   BTW... You Canopy guys ever know
>>> where most of that line was manufactured?
>>>
>>> On Nov 16, 2016 7:28 AM, "Lewis Bergman" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the US
 is the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It is
 difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not
 impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to major
 consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only a
 few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its labor rates.

 On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What do they look like when it is frigid?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms
>
>
> Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more
> countries and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab countries,
> India and South America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US..
> This shift to importing from other than US is going to impact us for sure.
> He is quoting Abe Lincoln.   He is much more worldly and intelligent than
> elected dude.   Plus their weather girls are hotter.
>

>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Hanging Sectors off a parapet

[Jaime Solorza]

Tessco has a division that makes aesthetically pleasing antennas and
mounts...Ventev maybe you can find something will work.   I know Marlon
Schafer had to paint dishes to match a Golf Course building to "hide" it...

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> I am working on a house that has a few AP's on it and the owner would
> rather not have anymore things sticking up in the sky. So I thought I could
> hang the Antennas off the parapet and paint them the color of the wall..
> has anyone done this? And if so, is there pre-made gear that can be
> purchased?
>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

[AFMUG] Hanging Sectors off a parapet

[Sam Lambie]

I am working on a house that has a few AP's on it and the owner would
rather not have anymore things sticking up in the sky. So I thought I could
hang the Antennas off the parapet and paint them the color of the wall..
has anyone done this? And if so, is there pre-made gear that can be
purchased?



-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[Jaime Solorza]

the answer is in your question, grasshopper.

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:26 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Why did it take someone as abrupt  as trump coming along for this guy to
> decide to diversify his countries interests, why not when he was president?
> The cartel money was too good or what? I would love to see our southern
> neighbor as successful as our northern one appears to be.
> Sometimes I mow my lawn, but if both my neighbors mow their lawn I always
> mow my lawn.
>
> On Nov 16, 2016 9:17 AM, "Jaime Solorza" 
> wrote:
>
>> From what i read this morning the goal is to diversify their partners so
>> not to depend on one source... Germany and other European countries are
>> offering Mexico trade deals aggressively.  I have no confidence in Trump's
>> knowledge of NAFTA and foreign trade,  except maybe on how get his cheap
>> labor clothing line produced.   Hopefully this guy (quoting Bernie)  will
>> hire competent folks and not his lackey brown nosing group.  Ford is going
>> ahead with expansion into Mexico without cutting US jobs.These are
>> business decisions not political ones.   BTW... You Canopy guys ever know
>> where most of that line was manufactured?
>>
>> On Nov 16, 2016 7:28 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>
>>> The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the US
>>> is the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It is
>>> difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not
>>> impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to major
>>> consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only a
>>> few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its labor rates.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
 What do they look like when it is frigid?

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
 *To:* Animal Farm
 *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms


 Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more countries
 and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab countries, India and
 South America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US.. This shift to
 importing from other than US is going to impact us for sure.  He is quoting
 Abe Lincoln.   He is much more worldly and intelligent than elected dude.
 Plus their weather girls are hotter.

>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[Dave]

The Smart phone has put a stop to that (sarcasm) ROFL


On 11/16/2016 08:28 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the US 
is the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It 
is difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not 
impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to 
major consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It 
was only a few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its 
labor rates.


On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown > wrote:


What do they look like when it is frigid?
*From:* Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more
countries and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab
countries, India and South America... Right now 85% of their
imports are from US.. This shift to importing from other than US
is going to impact us for sure.  He is quoting Abe Lincoln.   He
is much more worldly and intelligent than elected dude.   Plus
their weather girls are hotter.



--

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Why did it take someone as abrupt  as trump coming along for this guy to
decide to diversify his countries interests, why not when he was president?
The cartel money was too good or what? I would love to see our southern
neighbor as successful as our northern one appears to be.
Sometimes I mow my lawn, but if both my neighbors mow their lawn I always
mow my lawn.

On Nov 16, 2016 9:17 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> From what i read this morning the goal is to diversify their partners so
> not to depend on one source... Germany and other European countries are
> offering Mexico trade deals aggressively.  I have no confidence in Trump's
> knowledge of NAFTA and foreign trade,  except maybe on how get his cheap
> labor clothing line produced.   Hopefully this guy (quoting Bernie)  will
> hire competent folks and not his lackey brown nosing group.  Ford is going
> ahead with expansion into Mexico without cutting US jobs.These are
> business decisions not political ones.   BTW... You Canopy guys ever know
> where most of that line was manufactured?
>
> On Nov 16, 2016 7:28 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
>> The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the US is
>> the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It is
>> difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not
>> impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to major
>> consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only a
>> few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its labor rates.
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>>> What do they look like when it is frigid?
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms
>>>
>>>
>>> Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more countries
>>> and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab countries, India and
>>> South America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US.. This shift to
>>> importing from other than US is going to impact us for sure.  He is quoting
>>> Abe Lincoln.   He is much more worldly and intelligent than elected dude.
>>> Plus their weather girls are hotter.
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[Chuck McCown]

Unless it is a danged good surge protector, then it is made in the USA... (with 
lead based solder).

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:23 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

Most everything with a PCB is made in Asia. Less to no regulations on how you 
deal with all the caustic chemicals.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:17 AM Jaime Solorza  wrote:

  From what i read this morning the goal is to diversify their partners so not 
to depend on one source... Germany and other European countries are offering 
Mexico trade deals aggressively.  I have no confidence in Trump's knowledge of 
NAFTA and foreign trade,  except maybe on how get his cheap labor clothing line 
produced.   Hopefully this guy (quoting Bernie)  will hire competent folks and 
not his lackey brown nosing group.  Ford is going ahead with expansion into 
Mexico without cutting US jobs.These are business decisions not political 
ones.   BTW... You Canopy guys ever know where most of that line was 
manufactured?   


  On Nov 16, 2016 7:28 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the US is 
the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It is difficult 
to develop enough relationships to replace that if not impossible. There are 
nations with similiar transportation costs to major consumers that have an even 
cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only a few years ago Mexico was whining 
about Vietnam and its labor rates.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  What do they look like when it is frigid? 

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

  Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more countries 
and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab countries, India and South 
America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US.. This shift to importing 
from other than US is going to impact us for sure.  He is quoting Abe Lincoln.  
 He is much more worldly and intelligent than elected dude.   Plus their 
weather girls are hotter.  

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Robert]

Thank you, Chuck...   Now to our regular programming...  PLEASE! 
Dang it I want more reviews of horn antennas on more radio platform types...


On 11/16/16 6:32 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Guys, we really don't need another week of this.  I have my opinions on
all of this too but all of us have pretty much stated our opinions
multiple times now.
Not picking on you Sam or Bill.  Just the whole group.

We (most of us) are Americans.  We are good sports.
We give the winning team a hi five, say: "good game" and wait until next
time.
Mid terms are only two years away.

I am much more interested in the new timing over POE that the 450m is
using.

-Original Message- From: Sam Morris
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

Lawsuit does not equal criminal. I can file a lawsuit against you.
Anyone can sue anyone. Doesn't mean either of them did anything criminal.

Your numbers are how many people are now insured that weren't before are
derived by the obama administration playing fast and loose with both the
numbers and the facts involving among other things, what it means (as
defined by the Census Bureau) to be "uninsured", and how illegal aliens
are counted. (It also declines to mention the number of people (almost
six million) who lost insurance since the "A"CA came into law. This fast
and loose analysis also doesn't take into account people who would've
gotten insurance anyway through another mechanism, ala their workplace.
Or the fact that two thirds of the coverage increases in 2014 was due to
expansions in Medicaid (nine million more people obligated to Medicaid,
and two million more aging into Medicare.) In reality, only about three
million more got commercial coverage.

Obligating millions of people to Medicaid, or displacing people from
employer-sponsored coverage and moving them into "A"CA exchanges isn't
covering people who didn't used to have (arguably better) coverage. You
fanboys who worship at the obamacare alter would be well-served to
listen to coverage figures provided by someplace other than RAND or
obamacarefacts dot com.

This of course is all in addition to the lies obama repeatedly told "If
you like your policy you can keep it" and "If you like your doctor you
can keep him" - both of which he knew were a lie when he said them. (But
then, Americans were killed in Benghazi over a Youtube video, right?)


On 11/15/2016 6:31 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

There is also the small matter of the 70-something law suits (currently)
filed against the trumpster. The guy is a bigger criminal than the
Clintons or the Bushes combined. He also lies a verified 500% more than
Clinton, but everyone chooses to ignore all of that.

Finding lies in the trumpster's statements is a target rich environment.

Plus the guy only cares about himself. The guy we see today is nothing
more than a narcissist.

bp




On 11/10/2016 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
*From:* Rory Conaway
I’ll bite.
1)Climate change has scientists on both sides of the argument, both with
very good evidence behind them.  The next question is whether it’s man
caused which it partially is, but to what extend.
Pollution bad, irrespective of climate.
2)It’s clear that Hillary and Obama’s policies have been a massive
failure so it’s time to do something different.
Obama launched more drones with bombs than anyone in the history of the
universe.  Hard to tell if this has been good or bad for us.  Will Trump
launch them like Obama?  Time will tell.  Have we had more attacks on
our homeland with Obama in office?  Nothing big and coordinated like
9/11, that is for certain.  Absence of evidence is not evidence of
absence.
3)He didn’t win because of fear, he won because the Globalists, the
corrupt, and the anti-American attitude in Washington divided this
country and were selling out and destroying our core values.  In
addition, they were bankrupting the country at the same time.   Liberals
attacked everyone who didn’t like their policies and half the country
said enough was enough.
I think he won because half the country could not stand the thought of
listening to her voice for 4 years.  Kinda like mars attacks.  I was
going to get a recording of “Indian Love Call” for protection.
4)Hillary is a lying criminal, Bill a rapist and sexual predator, and
you think Trump has character problems.
Trump does have character problems.  He has no filter, he has no sense
of decorum or diplomacy.  He is a megalomaniac.  So he doesn’t have good
optics.  So what... at least he is new and disruptive.  This could prove
to be fun.  As for Bill and Hillary, Nixon did bad things too, lots of
them did.
5)Obama is a whole different story.  That guy has lied from the day he
took office to his most recent lies about not knowing about Hillary’s
server.
We will never know if the Obama administration prevented another 9/11
attack or not.  I am guessing he was effective.  All upper echelon
politicians lie.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[Lewis Bergman]

Most everything with a PCB is made in Asia. Less to no regulations on how
you deal with all the caustic chemicals.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 9:17 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> From what i read this morning the goal is to diversify their partners so
> not to depend on one source... Germany and other European countries are
> offering Mexico trade deals aggressively.  I have no confidence in Trump's
> knowledge of NAFTA and foreign trade,  except maybe on how get his cheap
> labor clothing line produced.   Hopefully this guy (quoting Bernie)  will
> hire competent folks and not his lackey brown nosing group.  Ford is going
> ahead with expansion into Mexico without cutting US jobs.These are
> business decisions not political ones.   BTW... You Canopy guys ever know
> where most of that line was manufactured?
>
> On Nov 16, 2016 7:28 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>
> The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the US is
> the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It is
> difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not
> impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to major
> consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only a
> few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its labor rates.
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> What do they look like when it is frigid?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms
>
>
> Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more countries
> and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab countries, India and
> South America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US.. This shift to
> importing from other than US is going to impact us for sure.  He is quoting
> Abe Lincoln.   He is much more worldly and intelligent than elected dude.
> Plus their weather girls are hotter.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cacti graph template for Frame util

[Dave]

I created my own using mib tree was fun but got what I needed


On 11/16/2016 08:55 AM, Dave Bradich wrote:


Thanks!!!

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Unfortunately, that server is no longer.   You should be able to grab 
it from this URL though:

http://www.north-hill.net/cacti-450.zip

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OK, should be able to grab it from here:
http://www.mt.net/~sutick/cacti-450.zip


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Does anyone have a cacti template for graphing frame
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Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[Jaime Solorza]

>From what i read this morning the goal is to diversify their partners so
not to depend on one source... Germany and other European countries are
offering Mexico trade deals aggressively.  I have no confidence in Trump's
knowledge of NAFTA and foreign trade,  except maybe on how get his cheap
labor clothing line produced.   Hopefully this guy (quoting Bernie)  will
hire competent folks and not his lackey brown nosing group.  Ford is going
ahead with expansion into Mexico without cutting US jobs.These are
business decisions not political ones.   BTW... You Canopy guys ever know
where most of that line was manufactured?

On Nov 16, 2016 7:28 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:

> The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the US is
> the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It is
> difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not
> impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to major
> consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only a
> few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its labor rates.
>
> On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> What do they look like when it is frigid?
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
>> *To:* Animal Farm
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms
>>
>>
>> Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more countries
>> and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab countries, India and
>> South America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US.. This shift to
>> importing from other than US is going to impact us for sure.  He is quoting
>> Abe Lincoln.   He is much more worldly and intelligent than elected dude.
>> Plus their weather girls are hotter.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Andy Trimmell]

+100

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 9:32 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

Guys, we really don't need another week of this.  I have my opinions on all of 
this too but all of us have pretty much stated our opinions multiple times now.
Not picking on you Sam or Bill.  Just the whole group.

We (most of us) are Americans.  We are good sports.
We give the winning team a hi five, say: "good game" and wait until next time.
Mid terms are only two years away.

I am much more interested in the new timing over POE that the 450m is using.

-Original Message-
From: Sam Morris
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

Lawsuit does not equal criminal. I can file a lawsuit against you.
Anyone can sue anyone. Doesn't mean either of them did anything criminal.

Your numbers are how many people are now insured that weren't before are 
derived by the obama administration playing fast and loose with both the 
numbers and the facts involving among other things, what it means (as defined 
by the Census Bureau) to be "uninsured", and how illegal aliens are counted. 
(It also declines to mention the number of people (almost six million) who lost 
insurance since the "A"CA came into law. This fast and loose analysis also 
doesn't take into account people who would've gotten insurance anyway through 
another mechanism, ala their workplace.
Or the fact that two thirds of the coverage increases in 2014 was due to 
expansions in Medicaid (nine million more people obligated to Medicaid, and two 
million more aging into Medicare.) In reality, only about three million more 
got commercial coverage.

Obligating millions of people to Medicaid, or displacing people from 
employer-sponsored coverage and moving them into "A"CA exchanges isn't covering 
people who didn't used to have (arguably better) coverage. You fanboys who 
worship at the obamacare alter would be well-served to listen to coverage 
figures provided by someplace other than RAND or obamacarefacts dot com.

This of course is all in addition to the lies obama repeatedly told "If you 
like your policy you can keep it" and "If you like your doctor you can keep 
him" - both of which he knew were a lie when he said them. (But then, Americans 
were killed in Benghazi over a Youtube video, right?)


On 11/15/2016 6:31 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
> There is also the small matter of the 70-something law suits 
> (currently) filed against the trumpster. The guy is a bigger criminal 
> than the Clintons or the Bushes combined. He also lies a verified 500% 
> more than Clinton, but everyone chooses to ignore all of that.
>
> Finding lies in the trumpster's statements is a target rich environment.
>
> Plus the guy only cares about himself. The guy we see today is nothing 
> more than a narcissist.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
>
> On 11/10/2016 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> *From:* Rory Conaway
> I’ll bite.
> 1)Climate change has scientists on both sides of the argument, both 
> with very good evidence behind them.  The next question is whether 
> it’s man caused which it partially is, but to what extend.
> Pollution bad, irrespective of climate.
> 2)It’s clear that Hillary and Obama’s policies have been a massive 
> failure so it’s time to do something different.
> Obama launched more drones with bombs than anyone in the history of 
> the universe.  Hard to tell if this has been good or bad for us.  Will 
> Trump launch them like Obama?  Time will tell.  Have we had more 
> attacks on our homeland with Obama in office?  Nothing big and 
> coordinated like 9/11, that is for certain.  Absence of evidence is 
> not evidence of absence.
> 3)He didn’t win because of fear, he won because the Globalists, the 
> corrupt, and the anti-American attitude in Washington divided this 
> country and were selling out and destroying our core values.  In
> addition, they were bankrupting the country at the same time.   Liberals
> attacked everyone who didn’t like their policies and half the country 
> said enough was enough.
> I think he won because half the country could not stand the thought of 
> listening to her voice for 4 years.  Kinda like mars attacks.  I was 
> going to get a recording of “Indian Love Call” for protection.
> 4)Hillary is a lying criminal, Bill a rapist and sexual predator, and 
> you think Trump has character problems.
> Trump does have character problems.  He has no filter, he has no sense 
> of decorum or diplomacy.  He is a megalomaniac.  So he doesn’t have 
> good optics.  So what... at least he is new and disruptive.  This 
> could prove to be fun.  As for Bill and Hillary, Nixon did bad things 
> too, lots of them did.
> 5)Obama is a whole different story.  That guy has lied from the day he 
> took office to his most recent lies about not knowing about Hillary’s 
> server.
> We will never know 

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

[Gino Villarini]

So what has been the experience with the 450M?

From: Af > on behalf of Sean 
Heskett >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 at 8:17 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

So interesting story here...we have three 450m's in the air and they are 
getting sync over power from a packetflux gigabit sync injector & timing over 
timing port via a packetflux sync injector 12.

Old style sync seems to work just fine on the 450m.

-Sean




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On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:06 PM Bill Prince 
> wrote:
Based on what others have said, I think it is all part of the "Precision Timing 
Protocol", it is an IP-based way of distributing timing information. Look up 
IEEE 1588-2008, or Precision Timing Protocol Version 2.

No more timing pulses.


On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:


Well, sending a pulse sounds like AM to me.  Perhaps level shifting would be a 
better term to use.

From: Daniel White
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

Something completely new.

Instead of interrupting power, they are sending a “pulse” of power per sync 
pulse.  I don’t recall the details on it at this point.

CMM5 FYI is looking like December availability now.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

So.. is "Cambium Sync" still a power interruption scheme or something 
completely new? I thought the thing they were going to move to was 1588v2?
On 11/15/2016 1:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I guess I need to be more clear on this. ..
There are two types of sync over power.
The first is being called Canopy sync,  which is compatible  with the 450i and 
earlier radios.
The second is being called Cambium sync and is compatible with the 450M and I'm 
guessing later radios.
Currently there are devices that produce the cambium sync pulse...  The CMM5 
and I'm about 100% certain that Last Mile Gear has one as well.   I have the 
technical information I need,  just haven't had a chance to get the circuit 
designed (I only received it shortly before wispapalooza), let alone tested.

On Nov 14, 2016 7:52 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:
No,  Cambium elected  to drop the traditional sync over power on the 450M.
So,  you either need to use timing port sync (via the aux port) or use what 
they're calling cambium sync.
The 1U injector is very close.  I need to finish validation on the latest board 
revisions and then will be releasing it to production assuming there isn't some 
showstopper I missed.

On Nov 14, 2016 7:34 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
Shouldn't the sync over power for the 450M be the same as PMP450i?

How is the 1u sync injector coming?


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:
> All of the currently shipping syncbox product line are compatible.  For sync
> over power, I have the specs, but the design isn't done yet.
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2016 5:40 PM, "Sam Lambie"  wrote:
>>
>> A question for Forrest mostly. Have you come up with a timing product for
>> the 450m AP yet? If not, have you got a timeline for release?
>>
>> Sam
>>
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>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com


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Re: [AFMUG] cacti graph template for Frame util

[Dave Bradich]

Thanks!!!

 

 

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Sent: November-15-16 4:47 PM
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Unfortunately, that server is no longer.   You should be able to grab it from 
this URL though:   
http://www.north-hill.net/cacti-450.zip



 

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 3:05 PM, Dave Bradich  > wrote:

Steve,

 

Would you be able to re-enable that link so we could grab the cacti template?

 

 

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Sent: November-05-15 11:45 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cacti graph template for Frame util

 

OK, should be able to grab it from here: 
http://www.mt.net/~sutick/cacti-450.zip

 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Ryan Ray  > wrote:

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Assuming the list doesn't strip it, it's should be attached.

 

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Does anyone have a cacti template for graphing frame utilization for 13.4 
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Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House

[Harold Bledsoe]

Sorry, a bit late on the reply on this one...

With beamforming antennas, you might be surprised what it can accomplish
in-room even at knee level.  I like your idea.  60GHz bounces off of walls
and other objects very well.

-Hal

On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 12:42 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Yes, that sounds about right.
>
>
>
> Taking a closer look at the properties of 802.11ad, maybe they need to
> make a “thin” device for each room with Ethernet.
>
>
>
> Something like an in wall (1Gang) unit that has POE from the central
> location, a GigE Ethernet port and a thin 6’ flat cable with a small 60GHz
> array at the end that sticks on the wall.
>
>
>
> Then you could get that antenna up higher for LOS in the room without
> using a ceiling AP?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Harold Bledsoe
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:03 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 802.11ad Deployment in a House
>
>
>
> I think the idea is that 11ad will be opportunistic offload. For
> enterprise it makes a lot of sense because you have dense users and ceiling
> mounted APs.  For home it is a little more challenging because you would
> need one in each room that you want to "offload" to 60GHz.
>
>
>
> The applications where 60ghz makes sense is where you would think
> seriously about using a wire (where you need high bandwidth, low latency -
> basically a wire experience).  Video streaming, gaming, that sort of stuff
> would be the low-hanging fruit.
>
>
>
> -Hal
>
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:06 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 11/12/16 7:04 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I would think that 60 GHz "might" be useful if the AP and a UHD TV were
> > in the same room, and your 2.4GHz and 5GHz channels were all trash
> > because of close proximity of neighbors.
> >
> > But overall, I think it would be more trouble than most consumers can
> > deal with.
>
>
> I've been using a 60GHz HDMI bridge for several years between the AV
> gear and the projector. Works great unless the cat sits on it because
> it's warm.
>
> ~Seth
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

[Mike Hammett]

I'm not sure why everyone doesn't use that for timing. There may be technical 
reasons I don't know about, but it seems like a logical first step, use 
something everyone else is already using. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Bill Prince"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:30:53 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing 



So that makes me very confused unless the PTPV2 is a "future" feature... 






On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:19 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote: 





So interesting story here...we have three 450m's in the air and they are 
getting sync over power from a packetflux gigabit sync injector & timing over 
timing port via a packetflux sync injector 12. 

Old style sync seems to work just fine on the 450m. 

-Sean 


On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:06 PM Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 





Based on what others have said, I think it is all part of the "Precision Timing 
Protocol", it is an IP-based way of distributing timing information. Look up 
IEEE 1588-2008, or Precision Timing Protocol Version 2. 


No more timing pulses. 








On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 








Well, sending a pulse sounds like AM to me. Perhaps level shifting would be a 
better term to use. 




From: Daniel White 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:40 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing 



Something completely new. 

Instead of interrupting power, they are sending a “pulse” of power per sync 
pulse. I don’t recall the details on it at this point. 

CMM5 FYI is looking like December availability now. 


Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 




From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:40 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing 

So.. is "Cambium Sync" still a power interruption scheme or something 
completely new? I thought the thing they were going to move to was 1588v2? 

On 11/15/2016 1:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote: 


I guess I need to be more clear on this. .. 
There are two types of sync over power. 
The first is being called Canopy sync, which is compatible with the 450i and 
earlier radios. 
The second is being called Cambium sync and is compatible with the 450M and I'm 
guessing later radios. 
Currently there are devices that produce the cambium sync pulse... The CMM5 and 
I'm about 100% certain that Last Mile Gear has one as well. I have the 
technical information I need, just haven't had a chance to get the circuit 
designed (I only received it shortly before wispapalooza), let alone tested. 



On Nov 14, 2016 7:52 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < 
li...@packetflux.com > wrote: 


No, Cambium elected to drop the traditional sync over power on the 450M. 
So, you either need to use timing port sync (via the aux port) or use what 
they're calling cambium sync. 
The 1U injector is very close. I need to finish validation on the latest board 
revisions and then will be releasing it to production assuming there isn't some 
showstopper I missed. 



On Nov 14, 2016 7:34 PM, "Matt" < matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Shouldn't the sync over power for the 450M be the same as PMP450i? 

How is the 1u sync injector coming? 


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) 
< li...@packetflux.com > wrote: 
> All of the currently shipping syncbox product line are compatible. For sync 
> over power, I have the specs, but the design isn't done yet. 
> 
> 
> On Nov 14, 2016 5:40 PM, "Sam Lambie" < samtaos...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>> 
>> A question for Forrest mostly. Have you come up with a timing product for 
>> the 450m AP yet? If not, have you got a timeline for release? 
>> 
>> Sam 
>> 
>> -- 
>> -- 
>> Sam Lambie 
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech. 
>> 575-758-7598 Office 
>> www.Taosnet.com 








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Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

[Chuck McCown]

Well, as long as your ethernet is fast and not jittery it sure seems like an 
ideal solution.  I guess it all depends on the absolute resolution you have to 
have on a guaranteed basis.  

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

I'm not sure why everyone doesn't use that for timing. There may be technical 
reasons I don't know about, but it seems like a logical first step, use 
something everyone else is already using.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Bill Prince" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:30:53 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing


So that makes me very confused unless the PTPV2 is a "future" feature...



On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:19 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:




So interesting story here...we have three 450m's in the air and they are 
getting sync over power from a packetflux gigabit sync injector & timing over 
timing port via a packetflux sync injector 12.

Old style sync seems to work just fine on the 450m.

-Sean 

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:06 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Based on what others have said, I think it is all part of the "Precision 
Timing Protocol", it is an IP-based way of distributing timing information. 
Look up IEEE 1588-2008, or Precision Timing Protocol Version 2.

  No more timing pulses.



  On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:




  Well, sending a pulse sounds like AM to me.  Perhaps level shifting would be 
a better term to use.  

  From: Daniel White 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:40 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

  Something completely new.

  Instead of interrupting power, they are sending a “pulse” of power per sync 
pulse.  I don’t recall the details on it at this point.

  CMM5 FYI is looking like December availability now.

  Daniel White
  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
  ConVergence Technologies
  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
  dwh...@converge-tech.com

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
  Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:40 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

  So.. is "Cambium Sync" still a power interruption scheme or something 
completely new? I thought the thing they were going to move to was 1588v2?
  On 11/15/2016 1:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
I guess I need to be more clear on this. ..
There are two types of sync over power.   
The first is being called Canopy sync,  which is compatible  with the 450i 
and earlier radios. 
The second is being called Cambium sync and is compatible with the 450M and 
I'm guessing later radios. 
Currently there are devices that produce the cambium sync pulse...  The 
CMM5 and I'm about 100% certain that Last Mile Gear has one as well.   I have 
the technical information I need,  just haven't had a chance to get the circuit 
designed (I only received it shortly before wispapalooza), let alone tested. 

On Nov 14, 2016 7:52 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:
  No,  Cambium elected  to drop the traditional sync over power on the 450M.
  So,  you either need to use timing port sync (via the aux port) or use 
what they're calling cambium sync.   
  The 1U injector is very close.  I need to finish validation on the latest 
board revisions and then will be releasing it to production assuming there 
isn't some showstopper I missed.  

  On Nov 14, 2016 7:34 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
Shouldn't the sync over power for the 450M be the same as PMP450i?

How is the 1u sync injector coming?


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
 wrote:
> All of the currently shipping syncbox product line are compatible.  
For sync
> over power, I have the specs, but the design isn't done yet.
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2016 5:40 PM, "Sam Lambie"  wrote:
>>
>> A question for Forrest mostly. Have you come up with a timing 
product for
>> the 450m AP yet? If not, have you got a timeline for release?
>>
>> Sam
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Sam Lambie
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com


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Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

[Chuck McCown]

Oh, I get it.  Similar to the enhancement they want to make to NTP.  I wonder 
how accurate the timing needs to be for Cambium.  Anyone know the max over the 
air baud rate for 450m?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

Based on what others have said, I think it is all part of the "Precision Timing 
Protocol", it is an IP-based way of distributing timing information. Look up 
IEEE 1588-2008, or Precision Timing Protocol Version 2.

No more timing pulses.



On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:




Well, sending a pulse sounds like AM to me.  Perhaps level shifting would be a 
better term to use.  

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

Something completely new.

Instead of interrupting power, they are sending a “pulse” of power per sync 
pulse.  I don’t recall the details on it at this point.

CMM5 FYI is looking like December availability now.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

So.. is "Cambium Sync" still a power interruption scheme or something 
completely new? I thought the thing they were going to move to was 1588v2?
On 11/15/2016 1:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
  I guess I need to be more clear on this. ..
  There are two types of sync over power.   
  The first is being called Canopy sync,  which is compatible  with the 450i 
and earlier radios. 
  The second is being called Cambium sync and is compatible with the 450M and 
I'm guessing later radios. 
  Currently there are devices that produce the cambium sync pulse...  The CMM5 
and I'm about 100% certain that Last Mile Gear has one as well.   I have the 
technical information I need,  just haven't had a chance to get the circuit 
designed (I only received it shortly before wispapalooza), let alone tested. 

  On Nov 14, 2016 7:52 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:
No,  Cambium elected  to drop the traditional sync over power on the 450M.
So,  you either need to use timing port sync (via the aux port) or use what 
they're calling cambium sync.   
The 1U injector is very close.  I need to finish validation on the latest 
board revisions and then will be releasing it to production assuming there 
isn't some showstopper I missed.  

On Nov 14, 2016 7:34 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
  Shouldn't the sync over power for the 450M be the same as PMP450i?

  How is the 1u sync injector coming?


  On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
   wrote:
  > All of the currently shipping syncbox product line are compatible.  For 
sync
  > over power, I have the specs, but the design isn't done yet.
  >
  >
  > On Nov 14, 2016 5:40 PM, "Sam Lambie"  wrote:
  >>
  >> A question for Forrest mostly. Have you come up with a timing product 
for
  >> the 450m AP yet? If not, have you got a timeline for release?
  >>
  >> Sam
  >>
  >> --
  >> --
  >> Sam Lambie
  >> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  >> 575-758-7598 Office
  >> www.Taosnet.com


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Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

[Chuck McCown]

Used to be, as a member of IEEE, publications like that were free  
grumble

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

Based on what others have said, I think it is all part of the "Precision Timing 
Protocol", it is an IP-based way of distributing timing information. Look up 
IEEE 1588-2008, or Precision Timing Protocol Version 2.

No more timing pulses.



On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:03 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:




Well, sending a pulse sounds like AM to me.  Perhaps level shifting would be a 
better term to use.  

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 3:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

Something completely new.

Instead of interrupting power, they are sending a “pulse” of power per sync 
pulse.  I don’t recall the details on it at this point.

CMM5 FYI is looking like December availability now.

Daniel White
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
ConVergence Technologies
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux & 450M Timing

So.. is "Cambium Sync" still a power interruption scheme or something 
completely new? I thought the thing they were going to move to was 1588v2?
On 11/15/2016 1:26 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
  I guess I need to be more clear on this. ..
  There are two types of sync over power.   
  The first is being called Canopy sync,  which is compatible  with the 450i 
and earlier radios. 
  The second is being called Cambium sync and is compatible with the 450M and 
I'm guessing later radios. 
  Currently there are devices that produce the cambium sync pulse...  The CMM5 
and I'm about 100% certain that Last Mile Gear has one as well.   I have the 
technical information I need,  just haven't had a chance to get the circuit 
designed (I only received it shortly before wispapalooza), let alone tested. 

  On Nov 14, 2016 7:52 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" 
 wrote:
No,  Cambium elected  to drop the traditional sync over power on the 450M.
So,  you either need to use timing port sync (via the aux port) or use what 
they're calling cambium sync.   
The 1U injector is very close.  I need to finish validation on the latest 
board revisions and then will be releasing it to production assuming there 
isn't some showstopper I missed.  

On Nov 14, 2016 7:34 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
  Shouldn't the sync over power for the 450M be the same as PMP450i?

  How is the 1u sync injector coming?


  On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
   wrote:
  > All of the currently shipping syncbox product line are compatible.  For 
sync
  > over power, I have the specs, but the design isn't done yet.
  >
  >
  > On Nov 14, 2016 5:40 PM, "Sam Lambie"  wrote:
  >>
  >> A question for Forrest mostly. Have you come up with a timing product 
for
  >> the 450m AP yet? If not, have you got a timeline for release?
  >>
  >> Sam
  >>
  >> --
  >> --
  >> Sam Lambie
  >> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
  >> 575-758-7598 Office
  >> www.Taosnet.com


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Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Chuck McCown]

Guys, we really don't need another week of this.  I have my opinions on all 
of this too but all of us have pretty much stated our opinions multiple 
times now.

Not picking on you Sam or Bill.  Just the whole group.

We (most of us) are Americans.  We are good sports.
We give the winning team a hi five, say: "good game" and wait until next 
time.

Mid terms are only two years away.

I am much more interested in the new timing over POE that the 450m is using.

-Original Message- 
From: Sam Morris

Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2016 7:26 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

Lawsuit does not equal criminal. I can file a lawsuit against you.
Anyone can sue anyone. Doesn't mean either of them did anything criminal.

Your numbers are how many people are now insured that weren't before are
derived by the obama administration playing fast and loose with both the
numbers and the facts involving among other things, what it means (as
defined by the Census Bureau) to be "uninsured", and how illegal aliens
are counted. (It also declines to mention the number of people (almost
six million) who lost insurance since the "A"CA came into law. This fast
and loose analysis also doesn't take into account people who would've
gotten insurance anyway through another mechanism, ala their workplace.
Or the fact that two thirds of the coverage increases in 2014 was due to
expansions in Medicaid (nine million more people obligated to Medicaid,
and two million more aging into Medicare.) In reality, only about three
million more got commercial coverage.

Obligating millions of people to Medicaid, or displacing people from
employer-sponsored coverage and moving them into "A"CA exchanges isn't
covering people who didn't used to have (arguably better) coverage. You
fanboys who worship at the obamacare alter would be well-served to
listen to coverage figures provided by someplace other than RAND or
obamacarefacts dot com.

This of course is all in addition to the lies obama repeatedly told "If
you like your policy you can keep it" and "If you like your doctor you
can keep him" - both of which he knew were a lie when he said them. (But
then, Americans were killed in Benghazi over a Youtube video, right?)


On 11/15/2016 6:31 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

There is also the small matter of the 70-something law suits (currently)
filed against the trumpster. The guy is a bigger criminal than the
Clintons or the Bushes combined. He also lies a verified 500% more than
Clinton, but everyone chooses to ignore all of that.

Finding lies in the trumpster's statements is a target rich environment.

Plus the guy only cares about himself. The guy we see today is nothing
more than a narcissist.

bp




On 11/10/2016 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
*From:* Rory Conaway
I’ll bite.
1)Climate change has scientists on both sides of the argument, both with
very good evidence behind them.  The next question is whether it’s man
caused which it partially is, but to what extend.
Pollution bad, irrespective of climate.
2)It’s clear that Hillary and Obama’s policies have been a massive
failure so it’s time to do something different.
Obama launched more drones with bombs than anyone in the history of the
universe.  Hard to tell if this has been good or bad for us.  Will Trump
launch them like Obama?  Time will tell.  Have we had more attacks on
our homeland with Obama in office?  Nothing big and coordinated like
9/11, that is for certain.  Absence of evidence is not evidence of 
absence.

3)He didn’t win because of fear, he won because the Globalists, the
corrupt, and the anti-American attitude in Washington divided this
country and were selling out and destroying our core values.  In
addition, they were bankrupting the country at the same time.   Liberals
attacked everyone who didn’t like their policies and half the country
said enough was enough.
I think he won because half the country could not stand the thought of
listening to her voice for 4 years.  Kinda like mars attacks.  I was
going to get a recording of “Indian Love Call” for protection.
4)Hillary is a lying criminal, Bill a rapist and sexual predator, and
you think Trump has character problems.
Trump does have character problems.  He has no filter, he has no sense
of decorum or diplomacy.  He is a megalomaniac.  So he doesn’t have good
optics.  So what... at least he is new and disruptive.  This could prove
to be fun.  As for Bill and Hillary, Nixon did bad things too, lots of
them did.
5)Obama is a whole different story.  That guy has lied from the day he
took office to his most recent lies about not knowing about Hillary’s
server.
We will never know if the Obama administration prevented another 9/11
attack or not.  I am guessing he was effective.  All upper echelon
politicians lie.  The pigs gotta keep the sheep calm.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:21 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: 

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Chuck McCown]

I believe Trump to be immoral, I believe the Clintons to be amoral.

I believe Trump would cheat me in a business deal.
I believe the Clintons would have me knocked off.

Potato – Potatoe

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 5:31 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

There is also the small matter of the 70-something law suits (currently) filed 
against the trumpster. The guy is a bigger criminal than the Clintons or the 
Bushes combined. He also lies a verified 500% more than Clinton, but everyone 
chooses to ignore all of that.

Finding lies in the trumpster's statements is a target rich environment.

Plus the guy only cares about himself. The guy we see today is nothing more 
than a narcissist.


bp





On 11/10/2016 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:



From: Rory Conaway 
I’ll bite.

1)  Climate change has scientists on both sides of the argument, both with 
very good evidence behind them.  The next question is whether it’s man caused 
which it partially is, but to what extend. 
Pollution bad, irrespective of climate. 

2) It’s clear that Hillary and Obama’s policies have been a massive failure 
so it’s time to do something different.  
Obama launched more drones with bombs than anyone in the history of the 
universe.  Hard to tell if this has been good or bad for us.  Will Trump launch 
them like Obama?  Time will tell.  Have we had more attacks on our homeland 
with Obama in office?  Nothing big and coordinated like 9/11, that is for 
certain.  Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.  

3)  He didn’t win because of fear, he won because the Globalists, the 
corrupt, and the anti-American attitude in Washington divided this country and 
were selling out and destroying our core values.  In addition, they were 
bankrupting the country at the same time.   Liberals attacked everyone who 
didn’t like their policies and half the country said enough was enough.
I think he won because half the country could not stand the thought of 
listening to her voice for 4 years.  Kinda like mars attacks.  I was going to 
get a recording of “Indian Love Call” for protection.  

4)  Hillary is a lying criminal, Bill a rapist and sexual predator, and you 
think Trump has character problems.  
Trump does have character problems.  He has no filter, he has no sense of 
decorum or diplomacy.  He is a megalomaniac.  So he doesn’t have good optics.  
So what... at least he is new and disruptive.  This could prove to be fun.  As 
for Bill and Hillary, Nixon did bad things too, lots of them did.   

5)  Obama is a whole different story.  That guy has lied from the day he 
took office to his most recent lies about not knowing about Hillary’s server.  
We will never know if the Obama administration prevented another 9/11 attack or 
not.  I am guessing he was effective.  All upper echelon politicians lie.  The 
pigs gotta keep the sheep calm.  


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:21 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

trump calls climate change a hoax... Forget the physics or science... Has no 
foreign policy plan... Sound bites don't cut it... He won because of fear by 
biligaana, period.  Country is very divided because he fueled these fears... 
Someone in class yesterday said we should respect him Another guy 
responded, Really the way he and others showed respect for Obama...
I can't respect him for his lack of character... I have stated it clearly.. 
How ridiculous can he be when his staff cut his tweeter account days before 
election?   Heaven help us when he is charge... I noticed no one answered or 
challenged me about leaving him alone with your wife or daughters The 
silence was defeaning... And the public works idea... Who the hell is doing all 
that work right now?   Open your eyes,  visit construction sites around the 
southwest and even Las Vegas... Go to job sites Facts not bullshit

On Nov 10, 2016 8:00 AM, "Sam Morris"  wrote:
If Clinton said it, that in and of itself is enough to call that statement into 
question.

On 11/9/2016 12:09 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Clinton said we can support
600,000 syrian refugees today. Thats 6 percent today of the undocumented
population we could migrate into citizens...today

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[Lewis Bergman]

The flaw in all plans to develop "better" trading partners than the US is
the as a nation we consume more crap of every kind than anyone. It is
difficult to develop enough relationships to replace that if not
impossible. There are nations with similiar transportation costs to major
consumers that have an even cheaper labor rate than Mexico. It was only a
few years ago Mexico was whining about Vietnam and its labor rates.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 8:21 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> What do they look like when it is frigid?
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms
>
>
> Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more countries
> and stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab countries, India and
> South America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US.. This shift to
> importing from other than US is going to impact us for sure.  He is quoting
> Abe Lincoln.   He is much more worldly and intelligent than elected dude.
> Plus their weather girls are hotter.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Logistics

[Sam Morris]

Lawsuit does not equal criminal. I can file a lawsuit against you. 
Anyone can sue anyone. Doesn't mean either of them did anything criminal.


Your numbers are how many people are now insured that weren't before are 
derived by the obama administration playing fast and loose with both the 
numbers and the facts involving among other things, what it means (as 
defined by the Census Bureau) to be "uninsured", and how illegal aliens 
are counted. (It also declines to mention the number of people (almost 
six million) who lost insurance since the "A"CA came into law. This fast 
and loose analysis also doesn't take into account people who would've 
gotten insurance anyway through another mechanism, ala their workplace. 
Or the fact that two thirds of the coverage increases in 2014 was due to 
expansions in Medicaid (nine million more people obligated to Medicaid, 
and two million more aging into Medicare.) In reality, only about three 
million more got commercial coverage.


Obligating millions of people to Medicaid, or displacing people from 
employer-sponsored coverage and moving them into "A"CA exchanges isn't 
covering people who didn't used to have (arguably better) coverage. You 
fanboys who worship at the obamacare alter would be well-served to 
listen to coverage figures provided by someplace other than RAND or 
obamacarefacts dot com.


This of course is all in addition to the lies obama repeatedly told "If 
you like your policy you can keep it" and "If you like your doctor you 
can keep him" - both of which he knew were a lie when he said them. (But 
then, Americans were killed in Benghazi over a Youtube video, right?)



On 11/15/2016 6:31 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

There is also the small matter of the 70-something law suits (currently)
filed against the trumpster. The guy is a bigger criminal than the
Clintons or the Bushes combined. He also lies a verified 500% more than
Clinton, but everyone chooses to ignore all of that.

Finding lies in the trumpster's statements is a target rich environment.

Plus the guy only cares about himself. The guy we see today is nothing
more than a narcissist.

bp




On 11/10/2016 8:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
*From:* Rory Conaway
I’ll bite.
1)Climate change has scientists on both sides of the argument, both with
very good evidence behind them.  The next question is whether it’s man
caused which it partially is, but to what extend.
Pollution bad, irrespective of climate.
2)It’s clear that Hillary and Obama’s policies have been a massive
failure so it’s time to do something different.
Obama launched more drones with bombs than anyone in the history of the
universe.  Hard to tell if this has been good or bad for us.  Will Trump
launch them like Obama?  Time will tell.  Have we had more attacks on
our homeland with Obama in office?  Nothing big and coordinated like
9/11, that is for certain.  Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
3)He didn’t win because of fear, he won because the Globalists, the
corrupt, and the anti-American attitude in Washington divided this
country and were selling out and destroying our core values.  In
addition, they were bankrupting the country at the same time.   Liberals
attacked everyone who didn’t like their policies and half the country
said enough was enough.
I think he won because half the country could not stand the thought of
listening to her voice for 4 years.  Kinda like mars attacks.  I was
going to get a recording of “Indian Love Call” for protection.
4)Hillary is a lying criminal, Bill a rapist and sexual predator, and
you think Trump has character problems.
Trump does have character problems.  He has no filter, he has no sense
of decorum or diplomacy.  He is a megalomaniac.  So he doesn’t have good
optics.  So what... at least he is new and disruptive.  This could prove
to be fun.  As for Bill and Hillary, Nixon did bad things too, lots of
them did.
5)Obama is a whole different story.  That guy has lied from the day he
took office to his most recent lies about not knowing about Hillary’s
server.
We will never know if the Obama administration prevented another 9/11
attack or not.  I am guessing he was effective.  All upper echelon
politicians lie.  The pigs gotta keep the sheep calm.
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
*Sent:* Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:21 AM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Logistics
trump calls climate change a hoax... Forget the physics or science...
Has no foreign policy plan... Sound bites don't cut it... He won because
of fear by biligaana, period.  Country is very divided because he fueled
these fears...
Someone in class yesterday said we should respect him Another guy
responded, Really the way he and others showed respect for Obama...
I can't respect him for his lack of character... I have stated it clearly..
How ridiculous can he be when his staff cut his tweeter account days
before election?   Heaven help us when he is 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT] The Gene Wars

[Jaime Solorza]

The Boys From Brazil .some would celebrate

On Nov 15, 2016 11:48 PM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> That tool scares the hole crap out of me.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 11/15/2016 7:58 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
>> I had a discussion with my 17 year old just a few weeks back about this.
>>
>> https://science.slashdot.org/story/16/11/15/2338219/chinese-
>> scientists-become-first-to-use-crispr-gene-editing-on-humans
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

[Chuck McCown]

What do they look like when it is frigid? 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 7:57 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT.. Mexico not waiting with folded arms

Ex President Fox spearheading a group to open trade with more countries and 
stop depending on US.   They are going into Arab countries, India and South 
America... Right now 85% of their imports are from US.. This shift to importing 
from other than US is going to impact us for sure.  He is quoting Abe Lincoln.  
 He is much more worldly and intelligent than elected dude.   Plus their 
weather girls are hotter.  

Re: [AFMUG] Guess who came to mind

[Chuck McCown]

Well, not everyone has a Red Iguana in their back yard.  Been there twice this 
month so far...

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:37 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Guess who came to mind

No like Dennys


On Nov 15, 2016 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  Go to Dennys, get the senior discount!

  From: Jaime Solorza 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 4:31 PM
  To: Animal Farm 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Guess who came to mind

  Yes it is.   I am 61 and took day off... Well kind of.   Should have left 
phone at home or in truck. 


  On Nov 15, 2016 4:24 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

Hey isn't it your birthday?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Nov 15, 2016 6:00 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

  At Barnes and Noble

Re: [AFMUG] OT does it really matter?

[Jason McKemie]

I sure hope there are enough of them.

On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 12:54 AM, Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> There are always plenty of senate and congressional seats in super safe
> districts willing to obstruct.
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016, 9:36 PM Jason McKemie  com> wrote:
>
>> I think the real concern is not just him being president, but that many
>> Republicans are afraid of going against him due to possibly alienating
>> their constituents. Couple that with a Republican congress and probably a
>> stacked supreme court - there will likely be no checks to executive power.
>>
>>
>> On 10/16/2016 11:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>
>> I think most people think the president is a dictator or something.
>> As far as making real changes at home, you're right.   My concerns
>> specifically in relation to trump are more about his apparent volatility.
>> We're putting this guy in charge of the nuclear codes and in charge of
>> negotiations with (as an example) North Korea.  I guess you could sum it up
>> with "what is his excellent temperament going to get us into as a country?"
>>
>> On Oct 16, 2016 9:17 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Congress makes and changes law.  Supreme Court makes a few important
>> decisions.  Regulators are who really run the country.
>>
>> Does it really matter who the president is?
>> What did Obama do?  Encouraged the ACA.  Dropped the ball in Syria.  But
>> how did he affect me, my degree of wealth, my amount of spare time?
>>
>> Ditto Bush.  They affect foreign policy.  They have the ability to really
>> mess up other people’s lives in other countries, but do they really have
>> much effect on me?
>>
>> Granted, altering  the make up of the Supreme Court changes things like
>> can I choose to marry a dude or do I have to sell wedding cakes to gays.
>> But that really does not touch me.  My granddaughter having to cope with
>> dudes in the bathroom at school hits a bit closer to home, but I trust
>> congress will eventually settle on something a bit more common sense.
>>
>> I guess I am trying to convince myself that a president really doesn’t do
>> much here at home.  Congress does.  The court does.  Bureaucracies do.
>>
>> Now, if the president could get a whole truckload of cheese delivered to
>> the Whitehouse and give it out to anyone that drops in for a visit, then we
>> are talking about a real impact...
>>
>> http://history1800s.about.com/ od/19th-Century-Presidents/fl/
>> Andrew-Jacksons-Big-Block-of- Cheese.htm
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>