Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

[Erich Kaiser]

900 PTP 450 with KP Performance Antennas, I run mine 3 miles completely
NLOS on 7 MHZ and it runs fine to my house.  During heavy rain and through
heavy foliage (Currently) this is what I am getting








On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Dave  wrote:

> Yeah, The 450i 900 system would definately do the trick
> How much bandwidth do you need?
> The 900 on a 10Mhz channel we see around 35Mbs in a noisy environment on
> 8x/4xmimoB rate.
> If your doing ptp with it then open it up to 20Mhz wide and bang on.
>
>
> On 05/21/2018 10:49 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
> Ok. I'll give those a try and see what happens. Thanks.
>
> Travis
>
>
> On 5/21/2018 9:37 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> You could very likely get a bit more speed out of that by going to the new
> AC radios... my guess is that the airFibers would be even better, but I
> haven't used any of those in the 2.4ghz variety.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:31 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>
>> The current signal level is -71. I have a 2ft dish on each side.
>>
>> Travis
>>
>>
>> On 5/21/2018 9:15 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>
>> Yeah... 900mhz PTP 450 is probably the best option.
>>
>> What kind of signal level do you get with the 2.4ghz radios? you could
>> probably get a bit more out of it by going to airFiber 2x or Rocket 2AC
>> radios... and maybe a bigger dish.
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:09 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> 900 PTP 450 from Cambium
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> CTIconnect
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>>
>>> > On May 21, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > I'm looking for suggestions for an 8 mile link that will be shooting
>>> through a single wall of trees about 1/8 mile from one end of the link.
>>> Currently using 2.4ghz Ubnt radios. Works great during the winter, but once
>>> the trees fill back in, the link drops to about 5Mbps actual throughput.
>>> Would be nice to get 20Mbps.
>>> >
>>> > Any suggestions? The trees are 80ft tall, so putting up a 100ft tower
>>> at a residence is not really an option. The other side is on top of a
>>> 1000ft tall hill.
>>> >
>>> > Travis
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

[Erich Kaiser]

Depends on scenario/ pole material  but mostly P Clamps and Drop clamps

http://www.linemen-tools.com/category_s/584.htm





On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 10:26 AM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What hardware are you using to hang it?
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I agree, there is no limit on number of spans, but the distance in the
>> span could be an issue.  We have been using 12 strand Corning SST Drop
>> cable for runs, its cheap and very strong.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have run many spans of stuff called Rural C wire down country roads.
>>> It is about the same size as flat fiber drop.  You do want to put twists in
>>> the span to keep it from dancing in the wind.  I cannot think of a reason
>>> for a 3 span limit.  I know of no limit unless it has to do with the way
>>> the strength member  distributes the stresses.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 6:14 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial
>>>
>>> I'm looking at running flat drop down a country road, possibly on
>>> poles.  The specs I've read say not to run more than 3 spans for some
>>> reason.  Has anyone done this?  Is their better attachment hardware than
>>> wedge clamps for this application?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial

[Erich Kaiser]

I agree, there is no limit on number of spans, but the distance in the span
could be an issue.  We have been using 12 strand Corning SST Drop cable for
runs, its cheap and very strong.






On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 8:59 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I have run many spans of stuff called Rural C wire down country roads.  It
> is about the same size as flat fiber drop.  You do want to put twists in
> the span to keep it from dancing in the wind.  I cannot think of a reason
> for a 3 span limit.  I know of no limit unless it has to do with the way
> the strength member  distributes the stresses.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2018 6:14 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Flat Drop Aerial
>
> I'm looking at running flat drop down a country road, possibly on poles.
> The specs I've read say not to run more than 3 spans for some reason.  Has
> anyone done this?  Is their better attachment hardware than wedge clamps
> for this application?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jason
>

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[Erich Kaiser]

Let us know how they work, we may buy some as well depending on the outcome
of your testing :)

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:00 AM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I am going to buy a few and give them a try.  I wonder how well they will
> do under water.
> They need to work on their online search.  I am always having problems
> finding stuff I know they have.
>
> Anyone know what the super sticky gel rubber is made from?
>
> *From:* Steve Utick
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2018 7:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>
> They are listed under WDM & Optical Access:
>
> https://www.fs.com/c/fiber-optic-splice-closure-17
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I see trays but not enclosures.
>>
>> Link?
>>
>> *From:* Erich Kaiser
>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:54 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases
>>
>> They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about
>> $44
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 815-570-3101 <(815)%20570-3101>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>>>
>>> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
>>> everyone else.
>>>
>>> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
>>> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
>>> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
>>> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
>>> for the splice case.
>>> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per
>>> customer before electronics just to make the splice.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Splice Cases

[Erich Kaiser]

They do have one for 144 count fiber on their website, looks to be about $44

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 815-570-3101




On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Is there any FS type lower cost splice cases out in the world yet?
>
> I say FS type because everything Fiber Store does is 20% the cost of
> everyone else.
>
> Hoping for something lower cost.  Not really an area you want to cut
> corners on, but they sure are expensive.  Say you feed 144 strands in and
> out of a typical splice case that has a port that will take 6 drops.  You
> will be paying $120-$240 for something like that.  $20 to $40 per drop just
> for the splice case.
> Add in an equal amount for the hand hole, you could be in $80 per customer
> before electronics just to make the splice.
>

Re: [AFMUG] ductless split system AC

[Erich Kaiser]

Mitsubishi all the way set and forget..


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 12:10 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> Any recommends on brands?  I need to change out some window shakers.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ceragon/820C XPIC way off?

[Erich Kaiser]

Align with single pol then turn second pol on.

It is probably an alignment issue.  Been through this before with XPIC...


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> Trying to aim up these pair of radios in XPIC and it looks like I've got a
> lot of issues.
>
> This is just from trying to peak one side today.
>
> I'll try more on the other side.
>
> But it also appears that I've got a huge difference between the H and V
> radios in dB.
>
> I mean, is a 7dB difference equivalent to like several degrees off in H/V
> rotation?
>
> Our people tried to rotate the radio with the given groove/slack in the
> radio mount, but didn't seem to change anything.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Gino

[Erich Kaiser]

I always wondered why the Caribbean islands did not use more wind  and/or
solar power.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From what I'm hearing, the major issue is power, or the lack thereof.
> Existing supplies of fuel for generators, etc. are in extremely short
> supply. I've been hearing estimates of 6+ months to restore power, and that
> may be optimistic.
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>
> On 9/24/2017 9:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I know we are all anxious hoping to hear from Gino.�
> �
> I wish I still had an HF rig and a decent antenna.� I am wondering of
> anyone on here works 20 meters and has heard from folks in PR?
> �
> Keep hearing of the lack of communication capability there, but 2 meter
> and HF is pretty much going to work irrespective of any infrastructure
> damage.�� Here in Utah, our county emergency center has fully
> functional HF, VHF and UHF capability.��
> �
> Actually most of Utah does as well as many groups of LDS church folk that
> work with emergency preparedness.�
> �
> I have never used it, but I know there are HF methods to convey IP.�
> Could certainly keep slow speed email going.�
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Complaining Employees

[Erich Kaiser]

+1
It is always “why in the hell didn’t I do that months ago”.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> In my experience bad employees are unfixable.
> I have never fired someone and said “gee, maybe I should have given them
> another chance”
> It is always “why in the hell didn’t I do that months ago”.
>
> And I  have had 100s of employees.
>
> *From:* Josh Reynolds
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 22, 2017 4:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Complaining Employees
>
> Counsel. Meh!
>
> On Jul 22, 2017 5:44 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Quantify their deficiencies.
>>
>> If you find the same thing done wrong over and over, councel them on the
>> topic. Maybe they are doing it how they thought it was supposed to be done,
>> maybe not.
>>
>> If the list is large and diverse, have a sit down with them. List the
>> issues you have in a calm and collected way, and the number of times you
>> found those issues. See how they react.
>>
>> It might be they are having issues at home that are carrying over into
>> their thoughts at work. It could be that they think they are doing better
>> than they are, and need a reality check.
>>
>> In the end if you want people to respect you, respect them. Hold them
>> accountable for their failures and encourage them when they succeed. You
>> are part of their development and success for this industry and for your
>> business.
>>
>> I'm sure many here on this list would disagree... Yeah well, that's just
>> like, their opinion, man.
>>
>> I wouldn't want to work with them or for them anyway :)
>>
>> On Jul 22, 2017 5:23 PM, "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> How do you deal with employees that seem to always be complaining about
>>> some aspect of their job, and always have an excuse for why something was
>>> done wrong?  They think they are dedicated, claim they want to be
>>> dedicated, but repeatedly fail to produce, create work for others, fail to
>>> perform even the simplest of tasks properly and while, when met with, will
>>> say they understand and are working to improve - fail to improve.
>>>
>>> Is this behavior fixable?  Thoughts?
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Complaining Employees

[Erich Kaiser]

Not going to change, need to let them go...


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 5:23 PM, Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> How do you deal with employees that seem to always be complaining about
> some aspect of their job, and always have an excuse for why something was
> done wrong?  They think they are dedicated, claim they want to be
> dedicated, but repeatedly fail to produce, create work for others, fail to
> perform even the simplest of tasks properly and while, when met with, will
> say they understand and are working to improve - fail to improve.
>
> Is this behavior fixable?  Thoughts?
>

[AFMUG] PMP450 900 SMs

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone want to part with any, looking for about 10-20.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] The better fiber NID box

[Erich Kaiser]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/9-x9-x3-OUTDOOR-CABLETEK-ENCLOSURE-PLASTIC-GRAY-CASE-UTILITY-CABLE-BOX-CTE-S-/281577889363?hash=item418f599e53:g:c-sAAOSwxYxUwHHf

http://www.primuscable.com/store/p/4657-Fiber-Splice-Tray-12-Single-Fusion-Splices-Plastic-0-75-x6-x2-75.aspx

And there is enough room for UBNT ONT, waiting on our test box parts to
show up.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Where are you getting those for $15? Last place I checked wanted $50-$60.
> I'm using the Corning Optiway nid enclosure. There isn't as good of a place
> to attach a router board as in the one you specified, but it does allow for
> a standard snap-in ONT. Ignitenet claims that they are considering a
> mounting plate for their revised media converter that will snap in to the
> standard size NID closure. That would be nice.
>
> On Thursday, April 6, 2017, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote:
>
>> We use a multilink NID that's about 6 times the size of that for $15.
>> RNI-3620 I think is the model. It does not have the splice tray or adapter
>> holder but has plenty of room to add one if you wanted.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rather than hijack Paul McCall's thread, this is my version of the same
>>> quest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.fiberinstrumentsales.com/fis-nid-termination-box-
>>> lc-or-sc-accepts-8-fibers-for-dx-lc.html
>>> I like the above FIS brand NID box.  I like that it has built in slack
>>> storage and flip out splice tray.  I like the option of using snap-in
>>> mating sleeves.  I like that the door comes off by lifting upwards...then I
>>> can use both elbows while I'm in the box.  I like that the entry points are
>>> standard conduit knockout sizes.  I like that it has a retaining clamp for
>>> a drop cable.  I like that it's weather proof.
>>>
>>> What would make me happier:
>>> (1) Forget the lock.  Close it with a captive thumb screw.
>>> (2) A padlock hasp so I *could* lock it.
>>> (3) Make it larger.  I'd want space for a small switch or ONT, and
>>> I'd want to be able to drill out the knockouts one size larger (you can't
>>> now due to depth).
>>> (4) The mounting screw holes in the corners require a long driver
>>> bit, they're just barely too small for my long bit holder.  another
>>> 1/16" would have saved me a trip to the hardware store.
>>> (5) Cheap.
>>>
>>> Someone else would want room for an AC outlet and a UPS, but not me.
>>>
>>> Does my perfect box already exist?  Could McCown build my perfect box
>>> for less than $20,000?
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU

[Erich Kaiser]

On WISP side we standardize interface on 1548 MTU and MPLS interface
setting to 1530 MTU.  Ubiquiti gear if not using older model (with USB
port) you can go up to 2024 via newer firmware.




Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 10:00 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> So just max out the wireless equipment between the routers, but make sure
> either end is less than the radios?  As far as I can tell from looking
> around in forums, Ubiquiti will do 2024.  I'm not sure what a Ceragon
> IP-20C will do, or where this setting is located in the interface.
>
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I always suggest you max out all your MTUs.  MTU sizes have to match on
>> both sides of a MPLS tunnel as well.
>> It’s always nice to have equal or greater MTU available in between those
>> two end points. 9200+ bytes or bust!  :)
>>
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Jason McKemie <j.mckemie@veloxinetbroadband.
>> com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> So I want to set my Layer2 MTU on the Mikrotik Interface to something
>> greater than 1530, then the MTU on the interface to something greater than
>> 1530, but less than I have the Layer2 MTU set to?  Then just set the MPLS
>> MTU to 1530?  Is there any rule of thumb for the gap between all of these?
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 2:13 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> My MTU on all MPLS stuff is set for over 9000 so I can do jumbo.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you don’t want fragmentation or problems, your native MTU on layer2
>>> needs to be larger probably.
>>>
>>> Then the next layer up a bit smaller, and so on so that you can again
>>> pass layer2 over the MPLS network at 1530.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:46 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] MPLS/VPLS MTU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is the best way to test a link to make sure you're not going to
>>> have issues running MPLS over it?  Can the packets be fragmented, or will
>>> that cause issues?  I'm able to ping the other end of a couple of links
>>> with 1530 byte packets, but when I disallow fragmentation, things stop
>>> working.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Jason
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New IP block

[Erich Kaiser]

Make sure origin ASN is established correctly in Arin.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:

> 1.If you can research where the block came from that will help.  Was it
> assigned somewhere else? Or is it part of space IANA released?
> 2.Make sure your POCs are up to date.
> 3.Make sure you have a reverse DNS server setup.  Very important if you
> have mail servers you are going to put on these blocks.
> 4.Once you have the blocks notify your upstreams.
> 5.Subscribe to something like BGPmon to make your life simpler.
>
> Just some things off the top of my head.
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> > On Mar 31, 2017, at 8:17 PM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
> >
> > So, Paul's thread has me a bit concerned about activating a new IP block
> that I got through ARIN. Up to this point I've just used addresses
> delegated by my upstream​. In the next few weeks I'm going to be bringing
> my own addresses on-net.
> >
> > Anyone have a "checklist" of things that need be done to get this
> working correctly?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON

[Erich Kaiser]

I bought one of each a few hours ago, would only let me buy one ONT.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What are you using for the ONTs? The store is sold out.
>
> On Thursday, March 23, 2017, Gino Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
>
>> Just bought a OLT on the store, does it comes with the gpon sfps?
>>
>> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck Hogg <
>> ch...@shelbybb.com>
>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Date: Thursday, March 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM
>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>
>> Was/is on the UBNT beta store now...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino Villarini*
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But when is this actually going to be available?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, March 22, 2017, Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How does it compare to UBNT new uFiber OLT?
>>>>
>>>> 8-Port GPON Optical Line Terminal
>>>>
>>>> 8 Gigabit Passive Optical Network Ports
>>>> Supports up to 1024 Clients (128 per PON Port)
>>>> Up to 2.488 Gbps TX and 1.244 Gbps RX
>>>> Supports up to 20 km GPON Links
>>>> Two 1G/10G SFP+ Ethernet Ports
>>>> Flexible Layer 2/3 Management Features
>>>> FastEthernet port for management
>>>> Console serial port for management
>>>>
>>>> On 3/22/2017 5:02 PM, PE R wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has any questions regarding ZTE products, to include our
>>>> GPON, TDD LTE or transport products, please feel free to contact me.
>>>>
>>>> Best -
>>>>
>>>> Parker Reed
>>>> Director of Sales
>>>> ZTE USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

[AFMUG] Millenium

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone have a good sales contact over there, looking for fiber parts.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] Escalator % on tower leases

[Erich Kaiser]

3% is standard, just put a clause in to re-negotiate after x number of
years.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:

>
>
> I know the tower companies like to sneak a pretty healthy escalator in
> there, based on a fixed percentage… 3%,4% etc.
>
>
>
> Has anybody been successful getting them to change that, either lower to
> like 2% or go off something more friendly like the Consumer Price Index,
> etc. ?
>
>
>
> You don’t think it’s much, but 10 years later (we’ve had some towers now
> for 15 years) it can almost double the tower rent.
>
>
>
> Curious to see what others have been able to negotiate.
>
>
>
> ??
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

[Erich Kaiser]

I agree.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Finally someone pulls thier head out of thier ass. That program is
> ridiculous and the abuse well documented.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017, 1:55 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>
> http://redrightrepublic.com/new-fcc-chairman-delivers-
> harsh-blow-obamas-phone-program/
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net <r...@triadwireless.net>*
>
> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
>
>
>
> “Baseball - we do not stop playing because we grow old, we grow old
> because we stop playing”
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

[Erich Kaiser]

ntop(Is actually really stable compared to past versions), observium,
solarwinds, we run all of them.  Each helps with specific issues/needs.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net>
wrote:

> What are your opinions on Netflow servers/software?
>
> I've been doing some research into using Netflow again.
> Long time ago I used NTOP, but it sucked.
> Not sure if that's changed or not.
>
> Ideally would be a much newer improved interface type system that was
> hosted for a few bucks a month.
> Then I could just sign up and point my Netflow streams to it.
>
> I need one that is geared towards ISPs, not Datacenter/Servers.
>
> I don't care about netflowing and optimizing web sites, I want to profile
> my customer traffic.
> Ideally it would include features necessary for CALIA and law enforcement
> requirements.
>
> If it was also great at syslog management that would be a plus.
>
> The Dude currently sucks for syslog IMO.
>

[AFMUG] Cambium 450 900 SM throughput issue?

[Erich Kaiser]

So we had a 900 PTP in place running about 20/8 on a 10Mhz channel, we
swapped out to an AP and SM and only getting 12/1.5, any idea why?  I know
timming settings, etc, we are also running 15.0.2. on the AP / SM abd
14.0.1 on PTP, Anyone else seeing an issue.  The AP side has very little
noise.  We are synced with neighboring WISP who is not running in the same
channel.  Should we go back down to 14.2.1?

Max Dist 4 mile
Control Slots 3
Channel Size 10Mhz


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

[AFMUG] Ceragon IP10 firmware

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone willing to send me latest Ceragon IP10C Firmware, please hit me
offilist.  We have a bug in current software where traffic stops passing on
the remote end and it requires a CLI remote reboot in order for it to start
passing traffic again.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end

[Erich Kaiser]

What is really obsurd is this new Overtime rule change for 2017.  When I
was running my WISP in the past it was easier from a budgetary standpoint
to just put some of the people on salary it made everyone happy all around
because they new what they were getting paid.

This is going to cause a lot of layoffs or change salary people to hourly,
complete BS.

I don't have a problem with them raising the amount to be on Salary but
doubling it is crazy.  What are others doing about this?



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Well that's hardly absurd. They have an existing SamKnows contract and
> likely wish to continue the program. Smoke, but no fire.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, December 18, 2016 12:29:01 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] T-Tommy Wheeler staying corrupt to the very end
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/fredcampbell/2016/12/14/
> democratic-fcc-just-committed-trump-administration-to-no-
> bid-foreign-contract/#2d6d524b2471
>
>
>
> Good to see our boy leaving a legacy that reflects what his leadership has
> been all about.  I wonder who got paid back for this contract.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Facebook achieves 20Gbps data rate over radio spectrum

[Erich Kaiser]

IP20S(ptp820S) is about 30watts.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:13 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I thought IP20 was actually less power consumption than your Trangos, at
> least for the single core model.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Friday, November 11, 2016 3:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Facebook achieves 20Gbps data rate over radio
> spectrum
>
>
>
> 4 ft antenna in MMW that¹s pretty high gain. Im guessing the eirp was high
> but mostly due to gain
>
> 105 watts of dc consumption is not that much, at 48 v that¹s about 2.1
> ampsŠ My Trangos consume something in that range, I¹ll bet Ceragons IP20
> are in that range too
>
> On 11/10/16, 4:24 PM, "Af on behalf of Robert Andrews"
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
>
> President
>
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> <af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>
> >But for how long and 105 watts of power?  Was that the output power into
> >the dish?  Then the link must have glowed in the daylight...  Or was
> >that the ac power into the radio?   Something says that this isn't going
> >to be easy to FCC license...
> >
> >On 11/10/2016 12:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >> Look at the map of the link. They DID do it on the coast. That's pretty
> >> good.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Nov 10, 2016 1:56 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net
> <sterl...@avative.net%0b>>> <mailto:sterl...@avative.net
> <sterl...@avative.net>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> 2GHz of spectrum in the 30-300GHz range at 8 miles?
> >>
> >> Obviously, that's not going to work with any moisture in the air.
> >>
> >> Since their aim is " to connect outlying or under-served regions of
> >> the world" I think they are talking about the desert regions of
> >>Africa?
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> <af-boun...@afmug.com>>]
> >> On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:52 PM
> >> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>>
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Facebook achieves 20Gbps data rate over radio
> >>spectrum
> >>
> >>
> >>https://thestack.com/cloud/2016/11/10/facebook-achieves-
> 20gbps-data-rate-
> >>over-radio-spectrum/
> >>
> >><https://thestack.com/cloud/2016/11/10/facebook-achieves-
> 20gbps-data-rate
>
> <https://thestack.com/cloud/2016/11/10/facebook-achieves-20gbps-data-rate%0b>
> >>-over-radio-spectrum/>
> >>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs

[Erich Kaiser]

Anybody used these guys I know they have gone to a few shows.

http://saisei.com/




Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Simon Westlake <simon@sonar.software>
wrote:

> You've discovered my secret identity
>
> On 10/6/2016 12:48 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Wait, is this you?
>
> https://simonscat.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Simon Westlake
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 6, 2016 12:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
>
>
>
> I try to spend at least 30 minutes a day on mailing lists to maintain some
> illusion of human contact. I found myself ranting at the bus stop about
> Android vs iPhones the other day, so thought I'd better start talking to
> some humans rather than my cat..
>
> On 10/6/2016 12:01 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> LOL.  I'll consider a demo, but I'll pester their support staff about
> config.
> I'd rather you spend your time on Sonar.  What are you doing chatting on
> this mailing list anyway?  Get back to work man!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:59:08 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
>
>
>
> You can do a lot with a Procera to deal with stuff like that, some
> solutions are more complex than others, but you get a ton of tools. They'll
> send you an eval unit for 30 days to try out, so it's pretty easy to see if
> it works for you. Let me know if you want to give one a shot and I can set
> it up for you.
>
> On 10/6/2016 11:57 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Well, there's a method to DMCA complaints.  It's more about people who's
> monthly usage exceeds 600GB.
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:54:59 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
>
>
>
> To a degree, yeah. They have a lot of 'magic' in there, like linking
> together initial non-HTTPS lookups to trackers, and then tying them to
> subsequent HTTPS connections. The biggest problem with torrenters is that
> some portion of them are smart enough to use a VPN, which leaves you with
> little recourse. But you're probably not getting any DMCA complaints about
> them anyway..
>
> On 10/6/2016 11:52 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> That's good to know.
>
> Can it reliably tag and limit torrent traffic?
>
>
>
> I've been looking at methods to do that in Mikrotik and a lot of the
> mangle rule examples I see online don't actually work (anymore?) and the
> ones that do work seem too broad for comfort.  I don't know if it's a
> $17,000 problem, but it's a problem I keep getting asked about.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> From: "Simon Westlake" <simon@sonar.software>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:48:55 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
>
>
>
> Yes, but most of the time it isn't worth it. You end up paying list on
> most of the licensing, and they won't support the hardware if it fails.
> They EOL the hardware every 5 years or so as well (it's still supported for
> a while afterwards, but that's the typical cycle,) so you generally want to
> be buying a newer chassis.
>
> Sometimes it's worth buying a used one, especially if it's a bigger
> chassis, but it generally doesn't make sense.
>
> On 10/6/2016 11:44 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> I lost track of whether the license transferal issue was with Barracuda or
> Procera or both.
> Could I buy a pre-chewed Procera and then just buy the support
> contract/license for it?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Rory Conaway" mailto:r...@triadwireless.net
> <r...@triadwireless.net>
> To: mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com> mailto:af@afmug.com <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 10/6/2016 12:42:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
>
>
> You can't buy a unit that was original purchased by one company, sell it
> to another company and then they get a new license.  Basically, if I bought
> Gino's unit, I would have to pay him and he would pay Barracuda.
>
> Rory
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf
> Of Paul Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:41 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Procera costs
>
> Is that because you didn’t have 

Re: [AFMUG] suggestions for WISP headend Mikrotik

[Erich Kaiser]

Can you survive a DDOS with these?  My past experience is that is a NO,
LOL, thats why I was asking about x86.  Thinking we may give them 10G
uplink and then they can do 1G to their transport, so they can limit their
networks for DDOS protection.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:

> Not as far as I know. Look at routerboard.com at Interfaces. There is only
> a SFP 1G Copper Interface.
>
> The direct link cables look to thick and cheap for fiber. Maybe this is
> copper.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Josh Luthman
> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 6. Oktober 2016 15:23
> *An:* af@afmug.com
> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] suggestions for WISP headend Mikrotik
>
>
>
> They make SFP+ with copper don't they?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Oct 6, 2016 9:21 AM, "Steve" <li...@wavedirect.org> wrote:
>
> We are using several CCR1036-8G-2S+ units and they are awesome.
>
> The day is coming though eventually when we will need something with a few
> more SFP+ ports but by then hopefully there will be something new.  There
> is an 8 port SPF+ router but we also need some with Ethernet cables as well.
>
> Also 10GbE ports would be nice too.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Stefan Englhardt" <s...@genias.net>
> To: "af" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2016 3:01:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] suggestions for WISP headend Mikrotik
>
> We are happy with CCR1036-8G-2S+EM. In a redundant scenario you could
> connect 2 with a 10G SFP+ direct attach cable and there is one 10G Port
> left. Lot of power for VPLS concentrator or PPPOE Server.
>
> We use 2 of them for BGP Uplink. Another concentrates VPLS Tunnels and
> does PPPOE.
>
>
>
>
>
> Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Erich Kaiser
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Oktober 2016 02:26
> An: af@afmug.com
> Betreff: [AFMUG] suggestions for WISP headend Mikrotik
>
>
>
> I have a couple guys wanting to put headend routers in our colo at Cermak,
> just wondering what guys are using in relation to hardware for Mikrotik?
> Several 1G ports with option for 10G.  I know they can go x86, but want to
> know what is the best hardware for this?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
>
> The Fusion Network
>
> er...@gotfusion.net <mailto:er...@gotfusion.net>
>
> Office: 630-621-4804
>
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>

[AFMUG] suggestions for WISP headend Mikrotik

[Erich Kaiser]

I have a couple guys wanting to put headend routers in our colo at Cermak,
just wondering what guys are using in relation to hardware for Mikrotik?
Several 1G ports with option for 10G.  I know they can go x86, but want to
know what is the best hardware for this?

Thanks!

Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] msn.com problems?

[Erich Kaiser]

There was a post on the NANOG list about a dns issue related to Akamai.
Just this morning.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I’m on AT here, looks like it may be an AT cache or DNS problem.
> Several sites are giving me problems, but they work OK if I RDP into my own
> network and do it from there.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
> *Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 7:18 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] msn.com problems?
>
>
>
> No issues here…. could be geographic …
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Anybody else seeing problems with www.msn.com or the Edge (Spartan)
> browser newsfeed?
>
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 5AC Prism - GPS?

[Erich Kaiser]

>From a sales perspective it is stupid, I know several guys waiting to
deploy gear because everyone that has promised GPS does not have it
working.  They could be selling more gear rather than having people on the
fence.

Anyone from Ubiquiti out there that can chime in on a real explanation?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Agreed. They chose backwards compatibility before GPS. I would have
> probably done it the other way around, but what do I know, I'm not a radio
> engineer.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, September 23, 2016 8:08:24 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 5AC Prism - GPS?
>
> be nice for them to release a working version for AC now and then do a
> later release with backwards compatibility.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> GPS is built into the AirPrism BaseStaion the software to enable the GPS
>> hardware will not be released until after they get AC backwards
>> compatibility working after that a GPS beta firmware should be released ..
>> at least that is what they are telling people on the forum
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016, 2:49 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> LOL LOLZ LMAO ROTFLMAO I dont know any more trendy acronyms to
>>> indicate hearty laughter
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was supposed to before August I thought! =P
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GPS is not working yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ubiquiti Rocket 5AC Prism - GPS? Does it work yet?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are you guys doing it with the Airprism Sector?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 5AC Prism - GPS?

[Erich Kaiser]

be nice for them to release a working version for AC now and then do a
later release with backwards compatibility.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> GPS is built into the AirPrism BaseStaion the software to enable the GPS
> hardware will not be released until after they get AC backwards
> compatibility working after that a GPS beta firmware should be released ..
> at least that is what they are telling people on the forum
>
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016, 2:49 PM That One Guy /sarcasm <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> LOL LOLZ LMAO ROTFLMAO I dont know any more trendy acronyms to
>> indicate hearty laughter
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 1:37 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It was supposed to before August I thought! =P
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> GPS is not working yet.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ubiquiti Rocket 5AC Prism - GPS? Does it work yet?
>>>>>
>>>>> How are you guys doing it with the Airprism Sector?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
>

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 5AC Prism - GPS?

[Erich Kaiser]

Ubiquiti Rocket 5AC Prism - GPS? Does it work yet?

How are you guys doing it with the Airprism Sector?

Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Erich Kaiser]

I believe Alphoplus2 does that as well, nice thing about aggregating with
ags20 is you can use it with different frequency radio heads(Obviously it
would require seperate dishes on each end).


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Sep 22, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually the Ceragon IP-20C/820C supports this at the modem level.  30MHz
> channel on one core and 40MHz on the other.
>
>
>
> I don’t know if SIAE does.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:04 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> You can't "bond" two things that are totally different radios and speeds,
> what you can do is establish router traffic across each link between IP
> interfaces and balance the traffic load equally.
>
> The only things that can be actually bonded, using vendor specific
> proprietary magic, are where you have two identical radio paths with
> exactly the same speed/FEC/configuration, and the vendor supports it (such
> as an 80 GHz link between two 60cm dishes, two orthomode transducers, four
> radio units, and both H and V polarities).
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:59 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> We were looking at bonding a Mimosa B11 and Mimosa B5 to start.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:27 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> I was thinking on channel aggregation on the RF level, where a MW radio
> could tx on 2 licenses ...
>
>
>
> not counting mimosa b11 as it a hdx radio and throughtput is lost there
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net>
> wrote:
>
> We were looking at this exact problem.  My starting point is Peplink but
> the costs are very, very high.  The problem is not only dissimilar speeds
> but the fact the links might changes speeds for interference issues, etc…
> Peplink was the only thing that I’ve seen can handle that environment.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 21, 2016 8:45 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?
>
>
>
> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Any Licensed MW gear doing Channel Aggregation?

[Erich Kaiser]

You can aggregate layer 1 radio level with SIAE AGS20, it will be multiple
radio heads, but one AGS20 supports up to 4 heads.  Contact Ken, tell him I
sent you.

Kenneth Monro
Director of Sales
kenneth.mo...@siaemic.com
936 647 7399


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 10:44 AM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I got  paths were we have several licenses for 30 mhz  and 40 mhz
> channels, any gear supports channel aggregation?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream, going beyond 1 gig

[Erich Kaiser]

We can provide 10G there via Att and Zayo, oh wait you dumped us at the
last second ( 2 days before install).


Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 3:46 PM, TJ Trout <t...@voltbb.com> wrote:

> I currently have two 1g upstreams and quickly running out of capacity, how
> have you guys handled this in the past for those that have been through
> this? Do you upgrade one pipe and hope it doesn't go down? Upgrade them
> both to the same speed ?
>
> Also for these two providers its super expensive for a 10g port even with
> 1g bandwidth, looks like I'll have to get multiple 1g pipes before it makes
> since to go with a single 10g port, how have you done this? Just multiple
> bgp sessions?
>
> I don't understand the logic of charging so much more for a 10g interface
> when it's lighting the same glass?
>

[AFMUG] Looking for WISP in/near Manor, TX

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone know who is close or can service Manor, TX?  I have a possible
wholesale deal there.

Contact me offlist.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Erich Kaiser]

Actually take that back sounds like a calibration issue on the radio.

On Aug 30, 2016 12:30 PM, "Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> Waveguide issue on dish? Wrong size ?
>
> On Aug 30, 2016 12:21 PM, "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so
>> i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>>
>> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
>> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
>> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
>> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
>> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
>> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
>> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
>> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
>> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
>> other radio is at expected signal level.
>>
>> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
>> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
>> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
>> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
>> on it".
>>
>> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
>> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
>> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa B11 issue

[Erich Kaiser]

Waveguide issue on dish? Wrong size ?

On Aug 30, 2016 12:21 PM, "Sean Heskett"  wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> I've already contacted mimosa support and they seem to be stumped too, so
> i thought I'd check with y'all to see if you've seen the same issue.
>
> We have a B11 link that is 6 miles clear LOS (we currently have a
> dragonwave horizon compact plus 18Ghz link in place that the B11 will be
> replacing).  The PCN states we should have a -42.5 the B11 interface states
> we should have a -40.9.  On the near side with is also the AP side we have
> a -42 (as expected) however on the far side (station side) we have a
> -53.2.  Both sides are using the Jirous 2' dishes.  We've tried swapping
> radios on both sides, i've downgraded to 1.3.1 and back to 1.4.1 and we've
> moved the dishes 5' vertically on both sides with no change.  the station
> side is always about 10-12db worse.  We are not on a sidelobe since the
> other radio is at expected signal level.
>
> Mimosa has stated they are "looking into it" and they have another
> customer with a similar problem.  I've provided them VPN access and they
> have run some diagnostic scripts.  It's been almost 2 weeks since I first
> contacted mimosa and they don't have any answer other than "we are working
> on it".
>
> I'm ready to switch vendors to another product. We have to get this link
> live because it's going to start snowing here soon.  Anyone else have this
> issue or have any other ideas of what to try??
>
> -Sean
>
>

[AFMUG] Props to Netonix

[Erich Kaiser]

In all my years of doing this this is the most impressed I am with an item
out of the box, I am very impressed with the Netonix switches, very simple
to use, great features, and best of all it works as advertised!  Having the
variable voltage input on DC version is absolutely awesome!  Keep up the
good work!

Even the DIN mount is impressive and well thought out!


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

Also when enabling the port into VH mode you get this message.

[image: Inline image 1]


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 10:55 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com
> > wrote:
>
>> If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher
>> due to dual radio/core.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be
>>> supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it
>>> would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios
>>> which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity,
>>> which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.
>>>
>>> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers
>>> removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real world, I
>>> see them pulling about 25-27W.
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>>>
>>> So looking at Cambium Forums
>>>
>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Mic
>>> rowave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>>>
>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Comp
>>> atibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>>>
>>> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>>>
>>> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>>>
>>> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
>>> Netonix switch.
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work
>>>> + or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can
>>>> do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <
>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>>>
>>>>> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is
>>>>> basically a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any 
>>>>> polarity
>>>>> and and put out -48dc for the radio).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>>>
>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF
>>>>>> Lumina?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> here's the data from the man

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

Confirmed. PTP820S POE works on 48VH ports!

[image: Inline image 1]


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 7:27 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher
> due to dual radio/core.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be
>> supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it
>> would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios
>> which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity,
>> which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.
>>
>> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers
>> removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real world, I
>> see them pulling about 25-27W.
>>
>> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>>
>> So looking at Cambium Forums
>>
>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-
>> Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>>
>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-
>> Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>>
>> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>>
>> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>>
>> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
>> Netonix switch.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work +
>>> or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can
>>> do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>>
>>>> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically
>>>> a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and
>>>> put out -48dc for the radio).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>>
>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>>>>
>>>> I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF
>>>>> Lumina?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
>>>>> thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
>>>>> for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Power Input Specifications
>>>>> • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
>>>>> • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC
>>>>>
>>>>> Power Consumption Specifications
>>>>> • Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:
>>>>>
>>>>> 40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W
>>>>>
>>>>> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
>>>>> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),
>>>>>
>>>>> 62mm(D), 1 kg
>&

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: [WISPA Approved Ad] New Fiber Pricing

[Erich Kaiser]

We have over 2 dozen nodes (including on order nodes) with Att(3-5 new
nodes a month), they can be reasonable it just depends how well you are
able to negotiate and deal with their BS :)  We have two major
aggregation points, one in Chicago and one in Houston, can add more to
Atlanta and Ashburn soon.

You know that whole thing we are trying to do (Buying in bulk to share the
savings)

Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Jay Weekley <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:

> Not bad for my area.
>
> Bill Prince wrote:
>
>>
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>>
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Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

If I remember correct the 820S is around 30w or less and 820C is higher due
to dual radio/core.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:58 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Question is, does the 820S need all four pairs for power, or can it be
> supplied power on 1,2 & 3,6 only? 40W over only two pairs seems like it
> would be ungood. I know the Netonix switches will power AF5 and 24 radios
> which use all four pairs. Then the next question is per pair polarity,
> which I assume is different for the 820S vs AF.
>
> We inject power to Exalt G2 radios using GIGE-POE-APCs with the jumpers
> removed on 4,5 & 7,8. But those are max 32W or so. And in the real world, I
> see them pulling about 25-27W.
>
> On 8/15/2016 8:58 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>
> So looking at Cambium Forums
>
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-
> use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939
>
> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-
> 802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740
>
> https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612
>
> So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.
>
> I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
> Netonix switch.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work +
>> or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can
>> do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>>
>>> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically
>>> a dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and
>>> put out -48dc for the radio).
>>>
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
>>>
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>>>
>>> I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina?
>>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
>>>> thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
>>>> for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> Power Input Specifications
>>>> • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
>>>> • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC
>>>>
>>>> Power Consumption Specifications
>>>> • Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:
>>>>
>>>> 40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W
>>>>
>>>> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
>>>> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),
>>>>
>>>> 62mm(D), 1 kg
>>>>
>>>> PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
>>>> • 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)
>>>>
>>>> PoE Injector Power Input Specifications
>>>>
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC
>>>>
>>>>(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC
>>>>support)
>>>>
>>>>PoE Injector Interfaces
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>   GbE Data Port supporting
>>>>
>>>>   10/100/1000Base‐T
>>>>   -
>>>>
>>>>   Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port
>>>>   -
>>>>
>>>>   DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE
>>>>
>>>>   supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18‐60)V is
>>>>   available)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)
>>>>>
>>>>> -sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them
>>>>>> togther?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

So looking at Cambium Forums

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-820-Licensed-Microwave/can-i-use-the-PTP650-PoE-Injector-for-PTP820-radio/td-p/42939

http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PTP-FAQ/PTP-650-Compatibilty-with-802-3at-standard-PoE/td-p/50740

https://forum.netonix.com/viewtopic.php?f=6=612

So it looks like PTP820 and PTP650 are both 802.3at pinouts.

I will try it on Wednesday with a spare PTP820S Radio when I get the
Netonix switch.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:41 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work +
> or - 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can
> do a range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
>> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>>
>> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically a
>> dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and put
>> out -48dc for the radio).
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>>
>> I think it's -48 or optional +24
>> -Sean
>>
>> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina?
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
>>> thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
>>> for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.
>>>
>>> Power Input Specifications
>>> • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
>>> • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC
>>>
>>> Power Consumption Specifications
>>> • Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:
>>>
>>> 40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W
>>>
>>> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
>>> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),
>>>
>>> 62mm(D), 1 kg
>>>
>>> PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
>>> • 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)
>>>
>>> PoE Injector Power Input Specifications
>>>
>>>-
>>>
>>>Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)
>>>-
>>>
>>>DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC
>>>
>>>(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC
>>>support)
>>>
>>>PoE Injector Interfaces
>>>-
>>>
>>>   GbE Data Port supporting
>>>
>>>   10/100/1000Base‐T
>>>   -
>>>
>>>   Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port
>>>   -
>>>
>>>   DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE
>>>
>>>   supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18‐60)V is
>>>   available)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?
>>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>>
>>>> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)
>>>>
>>>> -sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them
>>>>> togther?
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

I found a post on the forums about IP20C working, BTW these units work + or
- 48v DC directly into the unit.  Also if you have the POE Unit it can do a
range from 24vdc up to like 50vdc or something.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> >>I think it's -48 or optional +24
>
> Correct... the optional = another piece of equipment which is basically a
> dual port dc to dc converted (it can take 24vdc on any polarity and and put
> out -48dc for the radio).
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, August 15, 2016 7:57:50 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?
>
> I think it's -48 or optional +24
> -Sean
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2016, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> The ± is confusing. Does it support either polarity like the SAF Lumina?
>>
>> On 8/15/2016 5:58 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> here's the data from the manual.  we installed ours a year ago and i
>> thought the PoE cambium supplied was an 802.3at but that could have been
>> for the PMP450i APs we deployed at the same time.
>>
>> Power Input Specifications
>> • Standard Input: ‐48 VDC
>> • IDU DC Input range: ‐40 to ‐60 VDC
>>
>> Power Consumption Specifications
>> • Maximum Power Consumption 6‐11 GHz:
>>
>> 40W; 13‐38 GHz: 35W
>>
>> PoE Injector Mechanical Specifications
>> • Dimensions – 134mm(H), 190mm(W),
>>
>> 62mm(D), 1 kg
>>
>> PoE Injector Environmental Specifications
>> • 33°C to +55°C (‐45°C to +60°C extended)
>>
>> PoE Injector Power Input Specifications
>>
>>-
>>
>>Standard Input: ‐48 or +24 VDC (Optional)
>>-
>>
>>DC Input range: ±(18/40.5 to 60) VDC
>>
>>(+18VDC extended range is supported as part of the nominal +24VDC
>>support)
>>
>>PoE Injector Interfaces
>>-
>>
>>   GbE Data Port supporting
>>
>>   10/100/1000Base‐T
>>   -
>>
>>   Power‐Over‐Ethernet (PoE) Port
>>   -
>>
>>   DC Power Port –40V to ‐60V (a PoE
>>
>>   supporting two redundant DC feeds each supporting ±(18‐60)V is
>>   available)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 4:35 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought they were -48? Or is that only the direct power input?
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2016 5:33 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> PTP820S is 802.3at (i believe 30W)
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 3:59 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them
>>>> togther?
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Netonix

[Erich Kaiser]

Dang I did the samePlus I would get it overnight from Streakwave.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:36 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> looks like if we had purchased from streakwave instead of direct we would
> have saved $19
>
> man, that's like nearly four big macs ;)
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 11:13 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix
>
> Yeah, they had a discount and I am asking for will call in SLC to save the
> shipping too.
>
> *From:* Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 10:10 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix
>
> Good to know.  I think I elected to start buying direct because of the
> huge demand and limited stock on the WS-12-250-DC at launch.  Sounds like I
> need to look at Streakwave again.
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:42 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks
>>
>> *From:* Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 15, 2016 9:41 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Netonix
>>
>> Streakwave has discount pricing vs. direct.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I buy direct.  I think the price is the same either way if I recall
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 8:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Who has the best prices?  Seems like last time I got something from
>>>> them, it was cheaper buying direct.  Or perhaps I am confused.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Darin Steffl
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] netonix work with PTP820S?

[Erich Kaiser]

Do the Netonix switches work with PTP820S?  Has anyone used them togther?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] Sprint carrier contact

[Erich Kaiser]

Sorry I meant Sprint.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 9:00 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> Anyone have a good Spring Carrier contact?
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>

[AFMUG] Sprint carrier contact

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone have a good Spring Carrier contact?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SIAE US contact?

[Erich Kaiser]

Thanks!


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:25 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> bruce.bl...@siaemic.com
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:18 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Email?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:15 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Bruce Blain
>>> Eastern Director of Sales
>>> SIAE Microelettronica, Inc.
>>> 978-772-2773  Office
>>> 508-341-5124  Cell
>>> 978-772-2773  Home
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Erich Kaiser <
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anyone have a US contact email and number, the number online of the rep
>>>> I called has not called me back.
>>>>
>>>> Are these radios stocked in the US?  Who is a distributor of this gear?
>>>>
>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>> North Central Tower
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ___
>>>> Members mailing list
>>>> memb...@wispa.org
>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] SIAE US contact?

[Erich Kaiser]

Email?

Thanks!


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 7:15 AM, can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> Bruce Blain
> Eastern Director of Sales
> SIAE Microelettronica, Inc.
> 978-772-2773  Office
> 508-341-5124  Cell
> 978-772-2773  Home
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a US contact email and number, the number online of the rep I
>> called has not called me back.
>>
>> Are these radios stocked in the US?  Who is a distributor of this gear?
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> ___
>> Members mailing list
>> memb...@wispa.org
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/members
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] SIAE US contact?

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone have a US contact email and number, the number online of the rep I
called has not called me back.

Are these radios stocked in the US?  Who is a distributor of this gear?

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] XO Arbitration

[Erich Kaiser]

I have dealt with same thing as Lewis.

Never had anything go to aribitration.

Chuck, hit me offlist with more details, maybe there is something we can do
with XO on the Fusion side to eliminate his issue.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I haven't fought it with XO, but I have gone through something similar
> with Windstream. They sent me to collections, I sent them the certified
> letter I sent to the notice address, they still tried to collect. We
> continued to disagree. The collections people contacted me several times;
> sent them the letter. They still posted it to credit reporting I think.
>
> They just chose to ignore everything I sent them and pretend I owed them
> the money. I finally gave up trying and they gave up, I guess, trying to
> collect. At one point I demanded to see the contract I signed and all they
> would ever send me was the invoice. I assume that meant they couldn't find
> it.
>
> All of that to say, I feel his pain. I wonder though, if he complied with
> the notice criteria and is out of the original contract term then why does
> he think he is subject to the arbitration clause? If his argument is that
> the contract has expired and unenforceable and he is correct they can't
> force him to arbitrate. Obviously I am not a lawyer but this seems pretty
> basic. The terms and conditions only apply while the contract is in effect
> right? Maybe there is some survival clause that continues for a period of
> time succeeding the contract?
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:03 AM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a friend that told XO he was no longer needing their service.
>> This was prior to the end of the contract.  They double checked with their
>> XO sales agent that XO got the word that they would not be re-upping the
>> contract.
>>
>> Well, XO reupped the contract.  Friend quit paying, now XO is claiming
>> that they will be arbitrating somewhere in the eastern US.  I have not seen
>> a copy of the contract but I know many contracts specify alternative
>> dispute methods like arbitration.  And they also specify the state where it
>> will happen.
>>
>> It is a huge amount.  They want something like 5 years of GigE at old
>> pricing.
>>
>> Anyone know anybody that has been through this with XO before?  I would
>> like my friend to talk to companies or the attorneys of companies that have
>> fought this battle before.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] NG help

[Erich Kaiser]

Call a Generator guy!  Call Lee!


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:15 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Our gas meter is rated 5" w.c. and 175 cu.ft/hr. We have two furnaces
> rated 120k BTU/hr, 3.5" w.c. min pressure, 13.8" max. So that's all fine
> and good. Now add in our Generac at 316k BTU/hr and 5" min, 14" max.
> Obviously that meter isn't enough. But we're going back and forth with our
> rep about pressure. She says we can get 1/4 PSI and a 425 meter. Or 2 PSI,
> but that has to go through engineering, and I fear it's going to take a
> long f'n time.
>
> So we need like 556k BTU. Is it safe to assume that we can get that out of
> a 425k meter and accept the pressure drop (a little over 600k @ 2" drop, I
> assume anyway)? The Generac demand regulator can't run lower than 5", so I
> just don't know if the standard 1/4 PSI / 7" meter is going to be enough.
> The generator is less than 20 feet from the meter though. More like 12 feet.
>
> Only one furnace is wired to the generator. However, I can see a scenario
> where the generator controller wants to run when utility voltage is sagging
> (starts at 192 volts or less), but the furnaces may be fine at say 90VAC.
> So we could potentially have both furnaces and the generator running at the
> same time. In reality, the furnace thermostat that's on the generator will
> be cut off by one of the transfer switch's smart contacts, so the furnace
> won't run. But we might have to disable the lockout in the winter if power
> is out for days and the building starts to freeze.
>
> I'm thinking just do the 2 PSI delivery now in case we need a bigger
> generator later, but I can't wait months for the gas co. to get their heads
> out of their asses.
>
> Probably should just call a plumber, but I'm lazy, and cheap.
>

Re: [AFMUG] IPTV

[Erich Kaiser]

Chuck can you send me their info offlist?  Thanks!
On Jul 3, 2016 10:55 AM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> I am still working on it.  Realchoice tv is up and working well provided
> you have a VLAN to their headend signal.  They are talking to a larger tier
> 2 provider about nationwide access for $300/month.
>
> *From:* Aaron Fitzgerald 
> *Sent:* Sunday, July 03, 2016 9:52 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] IPTV
>
> I'd like to look into providing TV services to our customers. Where do I
> even start?
>
> --
>
>
> Aaron Fitzgerald - CEO/CIO
> wiFitz Network Services
> Serving NE Iowa's Creative Corridor
> Phone: 319/540-8999
> Web: http://www.wifitz.net
>
> wiFitz is a service of Fitzgerald Embedded, LLC
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Erich Kaiser]

Most of the CCRs have 1 PSU, but two header power connectors, if you look
at Faisal's links you can see what we mean.  It really would be a simple
product to produce.  low input cost, probably could sell for $25/piece.  It
should have screw terminals labeled with input voltage allowed and pos
/neg.  You could even put in some type of fused /surge protected solution
if you wanted to get creative :)


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 8:13 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> I have not really been following this thread.  Give me some reference
> links so I can understand what it  is you need.
>
> *From:* Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 5:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
> cooling?
>
> Would be nice if they made a module that would fit into existing AC Plug
> hole it could have the primary and secondary terminals on it.  Chuck?
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
>> FYI...
>>
>> http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=69422
>>
>>
>> http://shop.meconet.de/Hardware-component-parts/Accessories/DC-power-cable-for-MikroTik-CCR-CRS-25cm::116243.html?language=en
>>
>> :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"David Milholen" <dmilho...@wletc.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 6:04:10 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
>> cooling?
>>
>> I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year
>> where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to
>> go at the larger sites.
>>
>> Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that
>> would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my
>> sites and extra for new ones.
>>
>> I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for a
>> few Rack mount series.
>>
>> All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the
>> few we have with generators.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but
>> Mikrotik is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in
>> Africa. The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had
>> terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort to begin with.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of WISPs,
>>> which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy
>>> mikrotik".
>>> On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!
>>>>
>>>> [I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...
>>>>
>>>> How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect for
>>>> power
>>>>
>>>> Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.
>>>>>
>>>>> The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites,
>>>>> such as
>>>>> > a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few
>>>>> sectors...
>>>>> >
>>>>> > $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>>>>> >
>>>>> > http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive cooling?

[Erich Kaiser]

Would be nice if they made a module that would fit into existing AC Plug
hole it could have the primary and secondary terminals on it.  Chuck?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 5:33 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> FYI...
>
> http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?t=69422
>
>
> http://shop.meconet.de/Hardware-component-parts/Accessories/DC-power-cable-for-MikroTik-CCR-CRS-25cm::116243.html?language=en
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"David Milholen" <dmilho...@wletc.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 6:04:10 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Anyone using the new Mikrotik CCR with passive
> cooling?
>
> I am not a large WIsp but with 20 sites and more being added each year
> where I have a Mikrotik at every site plus additional Mikrotik switches to
> go at the larger sites.
>
> Maybe a small drop in the bucket but hey even if they had a module that
> would replace the power supply with terminals I would buy enough for all my
> sites and extra for new ones.
>
> I am sure Someone (Chuck) could figure it out. Even if it were only for a
> few Rack mount series.
>
> All of our sites have some sort of DC backup no UPS. This includes the few
> we have with generators.
>
>
>
> On 6/30/2016 9:24 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Maybe not so much in the USA, where electricity is plentiful, but Mikrotik
> is wildly popular in places like Nepal and developing nations in Africa.
> The line between WISP and ISP is blurry when a place never had
> terrestrial/wireline infrastructure of any sort to begin with.
>
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Not many. To be fair, "remote deployments" are a tiny subset of WISPs,
>> which is a tiny subset of ISPs, which is a subset of "people who deploy
>> mikrotik".
>> On Jun 30, 2016 9:18 PM, "David Milholen" <dmilho...@wletc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> WHOOPIE POE BIG DEAL!
>>>
>>> [I want my MTV...] External Power lugs Come On Mikrotik ...
>>>
>>> How many of us use these at remote sites and have direct DC connect for
>>> power
>>>
>>> Makes for efficient and less heat when doing UPS deployments.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/30/2016 9:08 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>>
>>> You can also power them off a standard PoE switch which is cool.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 6:59 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I actually just deployed 2 today as 1Gbps active demarcs.
>>>>
>>>> The dual power supply version went in at a different place last week.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 5:57 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I could see this being quite useful for small off-grid solar sites,
>>>> such as
>>>> > a hilltop used as an intermediate PTP relay that also has a few
>>>> sectors...
>>>> >
>>>> > $425 for the version without SFP+, $495 for the one with SFP+
>>>> >
>>>> > http://routerboard.com/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> http://i.mt.lv/routerboard/files/CCR1009-8G-1S-1SplusPC-151223131816.pdf
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>
>
> --
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Erich Kaiser]

I agree, Cogent does not want a PNI they want to sell you their transit and
don't care what you do with it, at least that is my experience.   What type
of bandwidth levels did you have to get to with them to be able to do a PNI?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I would also like to point out that very few networks on this list (I'm
> surprised you are) would have the scale to peer with Cogent. I ws referring
> to using BGP communities to limit one's Cogent transit to their customers
> only.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 12:34:51 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>
> Not sure what there is to take advantage of … we prefer peering always
> over transit.  PNI higher than public peering – pretty standard stuff for a
> lot of networks….
>
>
>
> 75k or so routes from them on-net of which about 35k are “best route”
> against other peered route options to their customers.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* July 2, 2016 8:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>
>
>
> I think you need some BGP tweaks to better take advantage of Cogent, given
> the scale of their network.
>
> http://bgp.he.net/report/peers
> http://as-rank.caida.org/
> http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:23:50 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>
> That number of directly connected customers is dropping … we used to buy
> transit from them a number of years back – a lot of issues with routing in
> different regions, mainly in the US … then we dropped their transit and
> peered with them on PNI’s.  The traffic (which is only their on-net traffic
> to be specific) hasn’t changed much in last couple of years, I think it’s
> actually dropped some – but regardless it accounts for only 3% of our
> traffic in total ….
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
> *Sent:* July 2, 2016 2:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>
>
>
> Cogent is great as long as you have another peer to balance out “issues”.
> They have a shitload of the internet as directly connected customers.
>
>
>
> -PK
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Erich Kaiser]

Looking back at RFO from past 30 days one of the outages was a fiber cut in
Texas, just FYI.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> Yep they have had a few hiccups, but overall very happy with them.  As I
> said, "Every company is going to have some issue, but it seems like
> Cogent continuously gets a bad wrap."   This is also why we try to offload
> most major content via peering exchanges instead of using transit provider
> to get to it.
>
> In my 15 years as a WISP, I had probably around 7 different upstreams,
> each had its own caveat.
>
> This is getting off topic but a large industry pressing issue is Fiber
> Cuts...  Since building the Fusion network the last year and a half, and
> now being national in the US, we have learned a lot about fiber cuts.
> Anything is possible.  Is it me or are the contractors more careless than
> ever, or maybe it is the locator services?Texas seems to have the worst
> track record so far.
>
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The number of large outages Telia has had in the US in the past few
>> months is staggering.
>>
>> They are trying really hard to get business right now though, and their
>> price reflects it.
>> On Jul 2, 2016 8:40 AM, "Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think all the negativity speaks for itself LOL.  When running my WISP,
>>> I had them for a year, and it sucked.  The congestion in CHI was terrible.
>>> Now I am not sure that is a problem in CHI any longer, but that was my
>>> experience 3 years ago.   On the Fusion network we use Telia as our primary
>>> Full route provider, we pop out multiple DIAs from them.  We have a really
>>> good relationship with them and can talk to decision makers in the US.  You
>>> don't get the "Upper management is not going to do it" scenario, I have
>>> heard that line from Cogent to many times.  They do have persistent sales
>>> people, I think they contact me once a month.  Every company is going to
>>> have some issue, but it seems like Cogent continuously gets a bad wrap.
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you need some BGP tweaks to better take advantage of Cogent,
>>>> given the scale of their network.
>>>>
>>>> http://bgp.he.net/report/peers
>>>> http://as-rank.caida.org/
>>>> http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:23:50 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>>>>
>>>> That number of directly connected customers is dropping … we used to
>>>> buy transit from them a number of years back – a lot of issues with routing
>>>> in different regions, mainly in the US … then we dropped their transit and
>>>> peered with them on PNI’s.  The traffic (which is only their on-net traffic
>>>> to be specific) hasn’t changed much in last couple of years, 

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Erich Kaiser]

Yep they have had a few hiccups, but overall very happy with them.  As I
said, "Every company is going to have some issue, but it seems like Cogent
continuously gets a bad wrap."   This is also why we try to offload most
major content via peering exchanges instead of using transit provider to
get to it.

In my 15 years as a WISP, I had probably around 7 different upstreams, each
had its own caveat.

This is getting off topic but a large industry pressing issue is Fiber
Cuts...  Since building the Fusion network the last year and a half, and
now being national in the US, we have learned a lot about fiber cuts.
Anything is possible.  Is it me or are the contractors more careless than
ever, or maybe it is the locator services?Texas seems to have the worst
track record so far.



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> The number of large outages Telia has had in the US in the past few months
> is staggering.
>
> They are trying really hard to get business right now though, and their
> price reflects it.
> On Jul 2, 2016 8:40 AM, "Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think all the negativity speaks for itself LOL.  When running my WISP,
>> I had them for a year, and it sucked.  The congestion in CHI was terrible.
>> Now I am not sure that is a problem in CHI any longer, but that was my
>> experience 3 years ago.   On the Fusion network we use Telia as our primary
>> Full route provider, we pop out multiple DIAs from them.  We have a really
>> good relationship with them and can talk to decision makers in the US.  You
>> don't get the "Upper management is not going to do it" scenario, I have
>> heard that line from Cogent to many times.  They do have persistent sales
>> people, I think they contact me once a month.  Every company is going to
>> have some issue, but it seems like Cogent continuously gets a bad wrap.
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I think you need some BGP tweaks to better take advantage of Cogent,
>>> given the scale of their network.
>>>
>>> http://bgp.he.net/report/peers
>>> http://as-rank.caida.org/
>>> http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:23:50 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>>>
>>> That number of directly connected customers is dropping … we used to buy
>>> transit from them a number of years back – a lot of issues with routing in
>>> different regions, mainly in the US … then we dropped their transit and
>>> peered with them on PNI’s.  The traffic (which is only their on-net traffic
>>> to be specific) hasn’t changed much in last couple of years, I think it’s
>>> actually dropped some – but regardless it accounts for only 3% of our
>>> traffic in total ….
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
>>> *Sent:* July 2, 2016 2:04 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cogent is great as long as you have another peer to balance out
>>> “issues”. They have a shitload of the internet as directly connected
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa

[Erich Kaiser]

LOL That is what I think of every time her name comes up.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Didn’t Reese Witherspoon play her in the movie?
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 02, 2016 8:36 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa
>
> Elle Wood
>
> firstn...@mimosa.co
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 21, 2016 5:45:56 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Mimosa
>
> Anyone know who is the head of marketing for Mimosa?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cogent

[Erich Kaiser]

I think all the negativity speaks for itself LOL.  When running my WISP, I
had them for a year, and it sucked.  The congestion in CHI was terrible.
Now I am not sure that is a problem in CHI any longer, but that was my
experience 3 years ago.   On the Fusion network we use Telia as our primary
Full route provider, we pop out multiple DIAs from them.  We have a really
good relationship with them and can talk to decision makers in the US.  You
don't get the "Upper management is not going to do it" scenario, I have
heard that line from Cogent to many times.  They do have persistent sales
people, I think they contact me once a month.  Every company is going to
have some issue, but it seems like Cogent continuously gets a bad wrap.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:49 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I think you need some BGP tweaks to better take advantage of Cogent, given
> the scale of their network.
>
> http://bgp.he.net/report/peers
> http://as-rank.caida.org/
> http://research.dyn.com/2016/04/a-bakers-dozen-2015-edition/
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Saturday, July 2, 2016 7:23:50 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>
> That number of directly connected customers is dropping … we used to buy
> transit from them a number of years back – a lot of issues with routing in
> different regions, mainly in the US … then we dropped their transit and
> peered with them on PNI’s.  The traffic (which is only their on-net traffic
> to be specific) hasn’t changed much in last couple of years, I think it’s
> actually dropped some – but regardless it accounts for only 3% of our
> traffic in total ….
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Peter Kranz
> *Sent:* July 2, 2016 2:04 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>
>
>
> Cogent is great as long as you have another peer to balance out “issues”.
> They have a shitload of the internet as directly connected customers.
>
>
>
> -PK
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Friday, July 01, 2016 6:44 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
>
>
>
> Location does make a big difference. I would in no way use them for a
> single upstream. For one, Cogent doesn't have the entire IPv6 Internet.
> They are great in a mix, especially if you have a route management platform
> or take only customer routes.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[image:
> http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png]
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, July 1, 2016 5:52:04 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cogent
>
> Does anyone have experience with Cogent as a primary upstream? Good, bad,
> ugly? I assume the service location makes some difference as well.
>
>
>
> -Jason
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Hardened Cisco router suggestions.

[Erich Kaiser]

What are guys recommending/using for a hardened Cisco router that can do
the basics, OSPF, gigabit Interfaces, DHCP?

Possibly 1G SFP ports



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans

[Erich Kaiser]

I think what they are saying is if you are not currently setup for vlans
per ap, then it probably doesn't make sense, just adds more complexity.  I
see your point to separate traffic down to the Mikrotik so you can torch
local traffic to AP.

So you would have something like this  Mikrotik (Customer Bridge where DHCP
server resides) bridged to vlan which is then tagged through to untagged
port on R6?  This would allow you to monitor ap traffic on a per vlan basis
on the MIkrotik.

Now I feel confused LOL





Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:52 AM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:

> Ok, so I'm hearing "the way you're doing it is wrong"  Is there a better
> way?  Or just let the R6 act as a dumb switch, and then log into that to
> try to troubleshoot any per port issues.
>
> On 6/28/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>
> I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose of vlans...
> On Jun 28, 2016 10:48 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> Then how do I get all the Ports on the Edgepoint to share the same IP
>> Space?
>>
>> On 6/28/2016 10:45 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> *nods* just leave the VLANs as native interfaces on the Mikrotik. No need
>> to bridge them.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 28, 2016 10:44:28 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Bridging VLans
>>
>> It doesn't like that you're bridging all these vlans. From experience,
>> it's nothing but broken-ness.
>>
>> You can still torch each vlan interface you know.
>> On Jun 28, 2016 10:42 AM, "Nate Burke" <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm working on the bench with a UBNT Edgepoint (R6 model)  The newest
>>> firmware allows you to set per port untagged Vlans in switch mode.  I'm
>>> thinking of using this to power a cluster of AP's, but I'd like to keep the
>>> ability to view per port traffic in the mikrotik via Torch for
>>> monitoring/troubleshooting purposes.  My Plan was to put each port on the
>>> R6 on a different Vlan, Have a Trunk port to the mikrotik, then just bridge
>>> the Vlans together in the Mikrotik.  This mostly works, as the Mikrotik can
>>> talk to each AP, but the AP's cannot ping each other, and it seems that I
>>> have random packet loss from the Mikrotik to the AP's.  Is there a setting
>>> I'm missing that's blocking the traffic between Vlans, or is this a
>>> Edgepoint problem?  Or does it not like that I'm bridging all these Vlans
>>> that are on the same Mikrotik interface.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net

[Erich Kaiser]

If you go direct to the IP speedtest mini it will have different results.
Send out the URL provided by speedtest.net.

Jay,

You can try our Chicago one http://gotfusion.speedtest.net .


We also have one in Helena, MT(http://gotfusion-hln.speedtest.net/) for
people out West, this is currently only on a 1G interface, will be updated
to 10G soon.  We are going to put one in LA and Dallas as well in the near
future.

Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 5:31 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:

> I have to move some things around, but we should have a 3x10Gbps iperf3 /
> speedtest.net server up in the next couple of weeks. The speed test data
> will sit in RAM, and it's feeding a pair of Chelsio T520-SO-CR ASIC NICs.
>
> Anywho, it's located in KC, with between 15-20ms latency to major markets
> like Chicago, Dallas, ATL (25ms), Fremont (25ms), etc. When it goes live
> I'll give out the IP.
> On Jun 24, 2016 5:23 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> no problem...
>> what is a brocade? :)
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Gerard Dupont III <ger...@shelbybb.com>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 24, 2016 4:56 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] speedtest.net
>>
>> Jay, Our routing is a bit messed up right now. We turned up 10g to
>> Atlanta through our Brocade yesterday but the speedtest subnet isn't being
>> routed through that system yet.
>>
>> Gerard
>>
>> On Friday, June 24, 2016, CBB - Jay Fuller <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> so we have a gig backbone connection - finally purchased a "semi recent"
>>> computer that should be able to handle a descent speedtest.  fastest we've
>>> gotten is like 660 meg on the epb fiber optic in chattanooga.  anyone know
>>> of a test on speedtest.net where we should be able to get nearly the
>>> full gig?
>>>
>>> i see my neighbors shelby broadband and jmf solutions on there but still
>>> get faster speeds from chattanooga...
>>>
>>> thanks in advance ;)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

[Erich Kaiser]

Is the gen operational?
On Jun 22, 2016 9:22 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Yup. I'm sitting at the office. Lots of links down from rain fade, but
> doesn't look like anything blew up yet.
>
> On 6/22/2016 9:20 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>
> Coal city 9:51
> On Jun 22, 2016 9:10 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Morris at 9:28.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:28:21 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning
>>
>> Radar looks awesome. Coming right at us again. I hate my life.
>>
>> On 6/22/2016 8:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Radio reports confirmed tornado east of Paw Paw.
>>
>> Based on 11 GHz rain fade, it’s raining cats and dogs in that area.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tornado Warning
>>
>> George, it looks like you're clear. Well, your office anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

[Erich Kaiser]

11ghz or 24ghz?
On Jun 22, 2016 9:22 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Yup. I'm sitting at the office. Lots of links down from rain fade, but
> doesn't look like anything blew up yet.
>
> On 6/22/2016 9:20 PM, Erich Kaiser wrote:
>
> Coal city 9:51
> On Jun 22, 2016 9:10 PM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Morris at 9:28.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:28:21 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning
>>
>> Radar looks awesome. Coming right at us again. I hate my life.
>>
>> On 6/22/2016 8:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Radio reports confirmed tornado east of Paw Paw.
>>
>> Based on 11 GHz rain fade, it’s raining cats and dogs in that area.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:37 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tornado Warning
>>
>> George, it looks like you're clear. Well, your office anyway.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning

[Erich Kaiser]

Coal city 9:51
On Jun 22, 2016 9:10 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Morris at 9:28.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"George Skorup" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 22, 2016 8:28:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Tornado Warning
>
> Radar looks awesome. Coming right at us again. I hate my life.
>
> On 6/22/2016 8:24 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Radio reports confirmed tornado east of Paw Paw.
>
> Based on 11 GHz rain fade, it’s raining cats and dogs in that area.
>
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:37 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Tornado Warning
>
> George, it looks like you're clear. Well, your office anyway.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 450m

[Erich Kaiser]

1 mil for AP or?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com
> wrote:

> It can talk to a 450sm in each array, so 7 sms in one time slot, now that
> is f**king crazy….
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:41 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m
>
>
>
> 90 degree, I think it is like 15dbi 7 beam form arrays
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:40 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m
>
>
>
> What kind of decent sector coverage do you get with it?
>
>
>
> *From:* Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:38 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m
>
>
>
> Well, it looks like I got to put my order in for 4 of them J, tower is
> waiting…..
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:38 AM
> *To:* af <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m
>
>
>
> oh... yeah, I guess I wasn't paying attention.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> $6,995
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:35:57 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450m
>
> I thought he said $6k
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>
> 5x the throughput and only 3x the price though
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 11:34 AM, Craig Schmaderer <
> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote:
>
> 7K msrp….   Ouch, but dam that thing is sweet
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:33 AM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m
>
>
>
> Photos?
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:24 AM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450m
>
>
>
> No slip up.  That's correct
>
> Jeff Broadwick
>
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>
> 312-205-2519 Office
>
> 574-220-7826 Cell
>
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:23 AM, Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com>
> wrote:
>
> I don't know if he slipped up, but he said ships in September?  Really,
> they were saying 1st quarter next year a few months ago
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf
> Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:22 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m
>
> On 6/22/16 08:21, Craig Schmaderer wrote:
>
> Oh boy, it has a sfp�.
>
>
>
>
>
> Are the SFP gods satisfied?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

[Erich Kaiser]

And then there is upper management over there that sucks as well at least
the sales person always tends to blame them for issues... LOL


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:

> Cogent has really started sucking on things like this since it was all
> turned over to sales.  Now, anytime you want to peer with their blackhole
> server, bring up BGP, our modify your BGp session it’s a sales order.  It
> took me 4 weeks to get a BGP session turned up on an existing circuit a few
> months ago.  The weak link was the sales person not responding in a timely
> manner. I get, with the exhaustion of IPv4, they are monetizing the /30 or
> /29’s that used to be taken for granted.  I think, at least in our case,
> the sales person had bigger fish to chase and spending time on a BGP sales
> order which they charge $50 a month for was not worth his time.  I could be
> wrong, but thats what it seemed.
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> ---
> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>
> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>
> On Jun 22, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> It takes FOR EV ER to get any change orders with them done.
>
> Also, eCogent is *the worst* web based system I have used in almost 20
> years now in this business.
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Dennis Burgess <dmburg...@linktechs.net>
> wrote:
>
>> You have to be peered with them and open a ticket and fill out their BGPQ
>> to get you added to their blackhole servers. J
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> www.linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 x103 – dmburg...@linktechs.net
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy
>> /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 22, 2016 10:00 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community
>>
>>
>>
>> is this for a single ip?
>>
>>
>>
>> our upstream thats actually communicating said they dont support
>> blackhole community, the other i assume wont either
>>
>>
>>
>> is this stating you can trigger at cogent even though not peered with
>> them directly?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>>
>> BlackHole server
>>
>> The Blackhole server allows customers under a DDOS attack to send all
>> traffic to the IP address under attack to null route.
>>
>> To request configuration on the blackhole server: Log into eCogent and
>> click on BGP request. You will need the following information:
>>
>> 1. Order Number.
>>
>>  2. An IP address from your network with which we will peer.
>>
>> 3. A password (all blackhole server sessions are password protected).
>>
>>
>>
>>  All North American and Asia Pacific Customers will peer with:
>>
>>  IPv4: 66.28.8.2 and IPv6: 2001:550:0:1000::421c:802
>>
>>
>>
>> All European Customers will peer with: IPv4: 130.117.20.2 and IPv6:
>> 2001:550:0:1000::8275:1402
>>
>>
>>
>> Once your session to the blackhole server has been established, any
>> network you announce to it will be stopped at our borders. Please note that
>> Cogent does not warrant or guarantee that use of the blackhole server will
>> mitigate, or minimize any effects of a DDOS attack nor does Cogent
>> guarantee that a session to the blackhole server can be established on a
>> timely basis. You are limited to announcing 50 prefixes to our blackhole
>> server. If you anticipate needing to announce more, relay that request to
>> our Customer Support department along with the technical justification for
>> an increase in the number of prefixes to be announced.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>>
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>>
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>>
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Really? Mikrotik can automatically trigger a blackhole IP with Cogent? I
>> have had to call Cogent to get IP's blacklisted previously.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik BGP Blackhole Community

[Erich Kaiser]

We offer it to our customers using a BGP community.


Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:59 AM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> is this for a single ip?
>
> our upstream thats actually communicating said they dont support blackhole
> community, the other i assume wont either
>
> is this stating you can trigger at cogent even though not peered with them
> directly?
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>
>> BlackHole server
>> The Blackhole server allows customers under a DDOS attack to send all
>> traffic to the IP address under attack to null route.
>> To request configuration on the blackhole server: Log into eCogent and
>> click on BGP request. You will need the following information:
>> 1. Order Number.
>>  2. An IP address from your network with which we will peer.
>> 3. A password (all blackhole server sessions are password protected).
>>
>>  All North American and Asia Pacific Customers will peer with:
>>  IPv4: 66.28.8.2 and IPv6: 2001:550:0:1000::421c:802
>>
>> All European Customers will peer with: IPv4: 130.117.20.2 and IPv6:
>> 2001:550:0:1000::8275:1402
>>
>> Once your session to the blackhole server has been established, any
>> network you announce to it will be stopped at our borders. Please note that
>> Cogent does not warrant or guarantee that use of the blackhole server will
>> mitigate, or minimize any effects of a DDOS attack nor does Cogent
>> guarantee that a session to the blackhole server can be established on a
>> timely basis. You are limited to announcing 50 prefixes to our blackhole
>> server. If you anticipate needing to announce more, relay that request to
>> our Customer Support department along with the technical justification for
>> an increase in the number of prefixes to be announced.
>>
>>
>> Justin Wilson
>> j...@mtin.net
>>
>> ---
>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>
>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Really? Mikrotik can automatically trigger a blackhole IP with Cogent? I
>> have had to call Cogent to get IP's blacklisted previously.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Justin Wilson <li...@mtin.net> wrote:
>>
>>> San example with Cogent:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> add in-filter=cogent-blackhole-in multihop=yes name=Cogent-BlackHole 
>>> out-filter=cogent-blackhole-out remote-address=130.117.20.1 remote-as=174 
>>> tcp-md5-key= ttl=default 
>>> update-source=
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin Wilson
>>> j...@mtin.net
>>>
>>> ---
>>> http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
>>> xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
>>>
>>> http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
>>> Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
>>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2016, at 7:35 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone used BGP and Remote-Triggered BlackHole with Mikrotik to
>>> help deal with DOS attacks?  Any examples of getting it too work with
>>> Mikrotik?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Erich Kaiser]

I think what I am confused about, is that it seems like Midwest-IX(Maybe
just Mike LOL) is spearheading this thing when really there are multiple
entities involved.  Can you explain to everyone how this is all going to go
down.  I know Faisal and some others run an IX in Atlanta already.  Plus
there are existing IXs in some of these other locations, will they all be
connecting to the magical network ring :)  We just need to know realistic
plans timframes on where to be to pick them up so we can pass downstream to
WISPs and plan Fusion expansion appropriately.  BTW from Fusion
perspective, we already have built to most major peering POPs in the US.
Ashburn, NYC and MIN are all that are left.

Yes this has gotten off topic kinda.

My coffee buzz is wearing out.


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Some think remote peering is critical, while some think it's a travesty.
> Customers ask for it and there was no viable alternative so we are doing it.
>
> Transit provider, no. Contradictory, no.
>
> Transit is full routes. This would be far from full routes. Pull out the
> big players and you're talking 4 digit, maybe 5 digit number of prefixes.
>
> It wouldn't be contradictory in that it's keeping the traffic as local as
> possible. It's not bouncing among however many upstream providers that
> neither end customer have any control over.It's customer, IX, remote
> peering, IX, customer.
>
> The primary intent is to provide a presence on our IXes to additional
> markets. There is no chance of a major player coming in and joining. They
> simply don't do that. Other than big content, most of the networks joining
> are going to be unique to the peering scene. Looking to leverage the value
> that peering brings (reduced costs, better performance, etc.) to people
> that can't normally avail themselves of it.
>
> Say Chuck breaks out his Chicago - Kentucky link in Indy and he wants to
> join the Indy IX. Say Nathan joins the St. Louis IX. They may want to talk
> to each other for whatever reason (say mailing list performance is
> imperative to Nathan). Getting transport between Chuck and Nathan for
> whatever amount of traffic they'd have between (likely not much) wouldn't
> be worth whatever a transport company would charge for it.
>

> At some point it's more cost effective to DIY, but those aren't the target
> market. The network looking to pickup 10, 50, 100 megs to one of the other
> IXes is.
>
>
> I don't see this in any way diminishing the value of an IX, only
> increasing it. Surely it would cost Fusion a pretty penny to POP into Indy,
> St. Louis, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Richmond, Madison, Minneapolis,
> Buffalo, Detroit, etc., etc. just to pick up those unique peers themselves.
> That's opposed to Fusion POPing at one place and picking up additional
> VLANs for whatever additional IXes they'd wish to pick up there.
>
>
>

> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:46:02 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>
> Can you elaborate on why remote peering is necessary, isn't that just
> making the IX a transit provider and would be somewhat contradictory of an
> IX "keeping it local"?  Just want to know what I am missing here?  I think
> everyone will agree that if we go out of our way connect to an IX, it needs
> to be worth it.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the current Rise cab.
>>
>> We began the process for a new cabinet back in October, but didn't get a
>> cabinet provisioned until the end of May. We're still migrating things over.
>>
>> Each market has an independent IX fabric. There will just be remote
>> peering and cloud exchange services available at each of them. The remote
>> peering will connect to many IXes, not just our own and largely focused on
>> markets the big g

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Erich Kaiser]

BTW, I am not talking Metro, I am talking about across state lines.



On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:46 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> Can you elaborate on why remote peering is necessary, isn't that just
> making the IX a transit provider and would be somewhat contradictory of an
> IX "keeping it local"?  Just want to know what I am missing here?  I think
> everyone will agree that if we go out of our way connect to an IX, it needs
> to be worth it.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes, the current Rise cab.
>>
>> We began the process for a new cabinet back in October, but didn't get a
>> cabinet provisioned until the end of May. We're still migrating things over.
>>
>> Each market has an independent IX fabric. There will just be remote
>> peering and cloud exchange services available at each of them. The remote
>> peering will connect to many IXes, not just our own and largely focused on
>> markets the big guys of the remote peering sector have left behind.
>>
>> We don't build a market until we know we won't lose money doing it. Once
>> DRT completes the same of the STL buildings, we'll be able to get that
>> going again. Months of negotiation with DRT only to have them drop talks as
>> a sale was imminent...  7 months ago. Joining us in STL when it's ready
>> will be worth while.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:28:47 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>>
>> You mean the Rise cabinet(My old cab? ) is full, I thought you guys
>> already moved?  You know our offer is still open to Midwest-IX.  Just gotta
>> work with us Brotha...  How come you guys are expanding Midwest to several
>> Cities?  I thought STL was going to have its own IX?  Do you have enough
>> popular peers to get traction in the other cities?
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The reason for being at Cermak and not Elk Grove was to be able to do
>>> WDM instead of using their WDM transport extended cross connects. However,
>>> you could only do that if you had space. Our previous space had filled up,
>>> no room to grow (cross connects or boxes), so had to get a new space. No
>>> space was available. None.
>>>
>>> The people charging $800 for a riser cross connect are just going to let
>>> you run your own? That doesn't seem likely.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, frustrated with just about everyone after Josh Reynold's message.
>>> Yes, I see the common point here...   the room.  ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:00:41 AM
>>> *S

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Erich Kaiser]

Can you elaborate on why remote peering is necessary, isn't that just
making the IX a transit provider and would be somewhat contradictory of an
IX "keeping it local"?  Just want to know what I am missing here?  I think
everyone will agree that if we go out of our way connect to an IX, it needs
to be worth it.


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Yes, the current Rise cab.
>
> We began the process for a new cabinet back in October, but didn't get a
> cabinet provisioned until the end of May. We're still migrating things over.
>
> Each market has an independent IX fabric. There will just be remote
> peering and cloud exchange services available at each of them. The remote
> peering will connect to many IXes, not just our own and largely focused on
> markets the big guys of the remote peering sector have left behind.
>
> We don't build a market until we know we won't lose money doing it. Once
> DRT completes the same of the STL buildings, we'll be able to get that
> going again. Months of negotiation with DRT only to have them drop talks as
> a sale was imminent...  7 months ago. Joining us in STL when it's ready
> will be worth while.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:28:47 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>
> You mean the Rise cabinet(My old cab? ) is full, I thought you guys
> already moved?  You know our offer is still open to Midwest-IX.  Just gotta
> work with us Brotha...  How come you guys are expanding Midwest to several
> Cities?  I thought STL was going to have its own IX?  Do you have enough
> popular peers to get traction in the other cities?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> The reason for being at Cermak and not Elk Grove was to be able to do WDM
>> instead of using their WDM transport extended cross connects. However, you
>> could only do that if you had space. Our previous space had filled up, no
>> room to grow (cross connects or boxes), so had to get a new space. No space
>> was available. None.
>>
>> The people charging $800 for a riser cross connect are just going to let
>> you run your own? That doesn't seem likely.
>>
>>
>> Yes, frustrated with just about everyone after Josh Reynold's message.
>> Yes, I see the common point here...   the room.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:00:41 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>>
>> Mike you are thinking small scale.  On a large scale look, you would do
>> DWDM or something between DCs or possibly build conduit and even pull your
>> own fiber between the two facilities.
>>
>> Mike are you frustrated with all of us...
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Getting the space in TelX and then getting multiple cross connects into
>>> Equinix fo

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Erich Kaiser]

BTW, I have had a lot of coffee this morning LOL



On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:28 AM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> You mean the Rise cabinet(My old cab? ) is full, I thought you guys
> already moved?  You know our offer is still open to Midwest-IX.  Just gotta
> work with us Brotha...  How come you guys are expanding Midwest to several
> Cities?  I thought STL was going to have its own IX?  Do you have enough
> popular peers to get traction in the other cities?
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> The reason for being at Cermak and not Elk Grove was to be able to do WDM
>> instead of using their WDM transport extended cross connects. However, you
>> could only do that if you had space. Our previous space had filled up, no
>> room to grow (cross connects or boxes), so had to get a new space. No space
>> was available. None.
>>
>> The people charging $800 for a riser cross connect are just going to let
>> you run your own? That doesn't seem likely.
>>
>>
>> Yes, frustrated with just about everyone after Josh Reynold's message.
>> Yes, I see the common point here...   the room.  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:00:41 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>>
>> Mike you are thinking small scale.  On a large scale look, you would do
>> DWDM or something between DCs or possibly build conduit and even pull your
>> own fiber between the two facilities.
>>
>> Mike are you frustrated with all of us...
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Getting the space in TelX and then getting multiple cross connects into
>>> Equinix for connects that are unavailable anywhere outside of CH1, CH2 or
>>> CH4 at a retail of now $1,150/month/each isn't an effective use of anything
>>> other than DRT\Equinix shares. Need a couple of those and now you're
>>> beholden to Equinix, well, if cabinets were available, which they usually
>>> aren't.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know how many other ways I can break this down without repeating
>>> myself, so I'll resort to that.
>>>
>>> It was joked that 1G ports are expensive.
>>> I joked that 1G ports get real expensive when attached to an Equinix
>>> $350/month cross connect.
>>> Someone said don't use Equinix.
>>> I said in markets like Chicago, you only really have one choice to go to
>>> and that's Equinix.
>>> Then someone pointed out, which I think most of us in this space
>>> (carrier hotels, big boy networks, etc.) already know that Equinix doesn't
>>> own 350 E. Cermak.
>>> Enter the $800/month riser fee.
>>> Enter a bunch of back and forth about a bunch of other ancillary stuff,
>>> again, from people that should all know better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Erich Kaiser]

You mean the Rise cabinet(My old cab? ) is full, I thought you guys already
moved?  You know our offer is still open to Midwest-IX.  Just gotta work
with us Brotha...  How come you guys are expanding Midwest to several
Cities?  I thought STL was going to have its own IX?  Do you have enough
popular peers to get traction in the other cities?


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> The reason for being at Cermak and not Elk Grove was to be able to do WDM
> instead of using their WDM transport extended cross connects. However, you
> could only do that if you had space. Our previous space had filled up, no
> room to grow (cross connects or boxes), so had to get a new space. No space
> was available. None.
>
> The people charging $800 for a riser cross connect are just going to let
> you run your own? That doesn't seem likely.
>
>
> Yes, frustrated with just about everyone after Josh Reynold's message.
> Yes, I see the common point here...   the room.  ;-)
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 9:00:41 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>
> Mike you are thinking small scale.  On a large scale look, you would do
> DWDM or something between DCs or possibly build conduit and even pull your
> own fiber between the two facilities.
>
> Mike are you frustrated with all of us...
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Getting the space in TelX and then getting multiple cross connects into
>> Equinix for connects that are unavailable anywhere outside of CH1, CH2 or
>> CH4 at a retail of now $1,150/month/each isn't an effective use of anything
>> other than DRT\Equinix shares. Need a couple of those and now you're
>> beholden to Equinix, well, if cabinets were available, which they usually
>> aren't.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't know how many other ways I can break this down without repeating
>> myself, so I'll resort to that.
>>
>> It was joked that 1G ports are expensive.
>> I joked that 1G ports get real expensive when attached to an Equinix
>> $350/month cross connect.
>> Someone said don't use Equinix.
>> I said in markets like Chicago, you only really have one choice to go to
>> and that's Equinix.
>> Then someone pointed out, which I think most of us in this space (carrier
>> hotels, big boy networks, etc.) already know that Equinix doesn't own 350
>> E. Cermak.
>> Enter the $800/month riser fee.
>> Enter a bunch of back and forth about a bunch of other ancillary stuff,
>> again, from people that should all know better.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 7:56:05 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>>
>> Having a cabinet in Telx and Equinix covers probably 99% of providers and
>> major IX connectivity.  So where is the problem?
>>
>>
>> Erich

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Erich Kaiser]

Mike you are thinking small scale.  On a large scale look, you would do
DWDM or something between DCs or possibly build conduit and even pull your
own fiber between the two facilities.

Mike are you frustrated with all of us...

On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 8:26 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Getting the space in TelX and then getting multiple cross connects into
> Equinix for connects that are unavailable anywhere outside of CH1, CH2 or
> CH4 at a retail of now $1,150/month/each isn't an effective use of anything
> other than DRT\Equinix shares. Need a couple of those and now you're
> beholden to Equinix, well, if cabinets were available, which they usually
> aren't.
>
>
>
>
>
> I don't know how many other ways I can break this down without repeating
> myself, so I'll resort to that.
>
> It was joked that 1G ports are expensive.
> I joked that 1G ports get real expensive when attached to an Equinix
> $350/month cross connect.
> Someone said don't use Equinix.
> I said in markets like Chicago, you only really have one choice to go to
> and that's Equinix.
> Then someone pointed out, which I think most of us in this space (carrier
> hotels, big boy networks, etc.) already know that Equinix doesn't own 350
> E. Cermak.
> Enter the $800/month riser fee.
> Enter a bunch of back and forth about a bunch of other ancillary stuff,
> again, from people that should all know better.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 20, 2016 7:56:05 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>
> Having a cabinet in Telx and Equinix covers probably 99% of providers and
> major IX connectivity.  So where is the problem?
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> If you want to have Equinix IX connectivity as well as connectivity to
>> the variety of carriers present, that means you have to be in Equinix's
>> CH1, CH2 or CH4. Those datacenters are routinely out of power, so you can't
>> just buy a cabinet whenever you feel like it. They're only available when
>> someone else has canceled theirs. Given the riser charge, you can't just
>> take a cabinet in TelX, Steadfast, CME or any of the others due to the $800
>> riser fee.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:19:53 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>>
>> Whats the problem with the riser(xtended x-connect) charge if they give
>> you a set of strands? If you are trying to bring circuits over to DRT for
>> lower x-connect, there are economies of scale like anything, but long term
>> it makes sense.  That's if you can not negotiate with Equinix.  We will be
>> in dual DCs in a few POPs by the end of they year for this reason.
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> The Fusion Network
>> er...@gotfusion.net

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Erich Kaiser]

Having a cabinet in Telx and Equinix covers probably 99% of providers and
major IX connectivity.  So where is the problem?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> If you want to have Equinix IX connectivity as well as connectivity to the
> variety of carriers present, that means you have to be in Equinix's CH1,
> CH2 or CH4. Those datacenters are routinely out of power, so you can't just
> buy a cabinet whenever you feel like it. They're only available when
> someone else has canceled theirs. Given the riser charge, you can't just
> take a cabinet in TelX, Steadfast, CME or any of the others due to the $800
> riser fee.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 9:19:53 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>
> Whats the problem with the riser(xtended x-connect) charge if they give
> you a set of strands? If you are trying to bring circuits over to DRT for
> lower x-connect, there are economies of scale like anything, but long term
> it makes sense.  That's if you can not negotiate with Equinix.  We will be
> in dual DCs in a few POPs by the end of they year for this reason.
>
> Erich Kaiser
> The Fusion Network
> er...@gotfusion.net
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> Two different things and at one point three different companies.
>>
>> The Equinix rep said to get lower per XC price, you'd need 500 XCs. I
>> know that isn't true because we got lower pricing.
>>
>> TelX manages the MMR and the riser, while DRT owns the building. Yes, I
>> know DRT bought TelX. That riser charge was $800.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 4:35:42 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>>
>> Have never paid riser fees in any location ever FYI, although 111 8th in
>> NYC you are paying for it per say between floors but it’s not broken out
>> (at least for me)… and it’s definitely a lot less than 500 XC’s – it’s
>> related to MRC derived from power/space/XC’s combined with negotiation
>> skills and the market too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* June 19, 2016 11:55 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>>
>>
>>
>> Right. One rep told us we'd need to be around 500 XCs to get a lower rate
>> (which I know isn't true). Even our TelX rep said that the difference in
>> space pricing wasn't enough to make up for the riser fee.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <ht

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Erich Kaiser]

Whats the problem with the riser(xtended x-connect) charge if they give you
a set of strands? If you are trying to bring circuits over to DRT for lower
x-connect, there are economies of scale like anything, but long term it
makes sense.  That's if you can not negotiate with Equinix.  We will be in
dual DCs in a few POPs by the end of they year for this reason.

Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Two different things and at one point three different companies.
>
> The Equinix rep said to get lower per XC price, you'd need 500 XCs. I know
> that isn't true because we got lower pricing.
>
> TelX manages the MMR and the riser, while DRT owns the building. Yes, I
> know DRT bought TelX. That riser charge was $800.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <p...@paulstewart.org>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 4:35:42 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>
> Have never paid riser fees in any location ever FYI, although 111 8th in
> NYC you are paying for it per say between floors but it’s not broken out
> (at least for me)… and it’s definitely a lot less than 500 XC’s – it’s
> related to MRC derived from power/space/XC’s combined with negotiation
> skills and the market too.
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* June 19, 2016 11:55 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>
>
>
> Right. One rep told us we'd need to be around 500 XCs to get a lower rate
> (which I know isn't true). Even our TelX rep said that the difference in
> space pricing wasn't enough to make up for the riser fee.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
>
> *From: *"Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 10:50:46 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>
> Equinix will negotiate if you have enough business with them and also
> having an alternate option to go to (Telx/DR runs the building MMR @ 350
> Cermak).This DC/Bldg Mgmt war will go on forever.  You do what fits
> right for the time.
>
>
> Hence why we are doing what we are doing, it helps everyone save in the
> long run.   Can't stress this enough.  Every major POP we go into
> we automatically take a port or two to the local exchange and if has the
> major peers (google,netflix, etc..)  So all you IXPs we want major peers!!
> :)
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
> Of course. Leaving Equinix is even worse as you have a $350/month cross
> connect and then an $800/month riser fee.
>
> That's why I specified Equinix at 350 E. Cermak.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intel

Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?

[Erich Kaiser]

Equinix will negotiate if you have enough business with them and also
having an alternate option to go to (Telx/DR runs the building MMR @ 350
Cermak).This DC/Bldg Mgmt war will go on forever.  You do what fits
right for the time.

Hence why we are doing what we are doing, it helps everyone save in the
long run.   Can't stress this enough.  Every major POP we go into
we automatically take a port or two to the local exchange and if has the
major peers (google,netflix, etc..)  So all you IXPs we want major peers!!
:)


Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Sun, Jun 19, 2016 at 7:03 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Of course. Leaving Equinix is even worse as you have a $350/month cross
> connect and then an $800/month riser fee.
>
> That's why I specified Equinix at 350 E. Cermak.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:47:03 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>
> You know that Equinix doesn't own or run 350 E. Cermak, right?  They're
> just one tenant. It's owned by Digital Realty Trust.
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> In some markets, that's the only viable place to go. Chicago, for
>> instance. Equinix at 350 E. Cermak has a commanding lead over anywhere else
>> for connectivity. With AMS-IX, Megaport and United-IX here now, we'll
>> likely see some of that shift around a bit, but it'll take time.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, June 17, 2016 11:02:51 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Seen this Brocade before?
>>
>> Smart people don't start leases in Equinix facilities unless they have
>> absolutely, positively no other option.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> In an Equinix facility, 1G ports are very expensive...  at $350/month
>>> per cross connect.  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Friday, 

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[Erich Kaiser]

Just telling you what he told me at the showI did bitch about it right
away :)


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 4:17 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There are such things as 2.5 Gbps SFPs used for fiber channel storage
> array applications (example: Cisco MDS9000) but you will not see them used
> in ethernet speaking routers/switches.
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 2:10 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not
>> sure why they did not go 10G
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model
>>> appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all
>>> three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?
>>>
>>> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra
>>> to unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps.
>>> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet
>>> buffer.. seems low.
>>>
>>> Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?
>>>
>>> -c
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Backing up large Datasets

[Erich Kaiser]

This is what i have been looking at.  Looks affordable and has a 10G
interface.

https://www.qnap.com/i/useng/product/model.php?II=202=2




Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Rsync it to a JBOD?
>
> I quite like Synology.  I have an RS214.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there a good (affordable) way to backup large datasets?  I'm talking
>> about like picture or video libraries.  A large NVR can have 6-12tb of
>> storage.  I just ran into an issue where a 12tb NVR just blew the raid, and
>> lost all the recordings.  (4 6tb drives in a RAID10, The Controller dropped
>> 3 drives)  Of course, that day the customer called and wanted video of an
>> incident from the previous day.  Is there any affordable way to backup
>> something that big?  A 2nd machine with 10G interfaces between them?
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango StrataPro Xi

[Erich Kaiser]

Check with John, but I thought he said something about a 2.5Gbps SFP, not
sure why they did not go 10G


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Cassidy B. Larson <c...@infowest.com> wrote:

> So I’m checking out the new Trango StrataPro data sheets… The Xi model
> appears to do 4Gbps full-duplex.. but no 10G SFP+.. So I’d have to use all
> three SFPs, and one copper gig to get it?
>
> Other notes: it appears they’re keying it up.. so you get to pay extra to
> unlock capacity to 1100Mbps and again to unlock max capacity to 2200Mbps.
> Oh and if you want AES-256, you get to pay again.  The 1MB packet buffer..
> seems low.
>
> Anybody else have any thoughts?  Anybody got one yet?
>
> -c
>

[AFMUG] Level 3 issues?

[Erich Kaiser]

Anyone else seeing major issues inside of L3 network?  I am not able to get
to multiple IPs from several DIA carriers and from several source netblocks.

Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

Re: [AFMUG] Small cross connect encloser

[Erich Kaiser]

Btw a good way to make removable gaskets non removable is to pre silicone
them to the lid..
On May 20, 2016 5:39 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" 
wrote:

> I need a small enclosure to house a 1u 24 port patch panel (we normally
> sick 3U minimum in a box)
> this will need to allow for up to 48 cable entries if the whole thing were
> populated. This is for the top of a grain elevator (will use the same set
> up elsewhere)
>
> We bring BBDGE up to it and terminate to the panel, then as we add radios
> we just add the tail, we will bond the copper shields in here too. We do
> individual 1/2 inch knockout entries.
>
> It just needs to stand up in wind and sun, we will put all the holes in
> it. I do meed to keep the weight down because it will probably end up
> mounted to the site 1 1/2 inch conduit
>
> Im looking for inexpensive (sub 200$) no removable gaskets for techs to
> drop part numbers. I know all the vendors websites, Im looking for
> something somebody else has used. It doesnt even have to be this same
> design, just a cross connect box that we can change the top end tails
> easily. need part numbers here
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre

[Erich Kaiser]

Some people want default route and full routes because of route
propagation/population, this way if your session resets you at least can
get online right away.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> What I meant to ask is .
>
> Why get the default route via BGP from your Upstream... Why not set is
> statically (ip sla track, or monitor gateway etc).
>
> IF your bgp sessions goes down, then your prefixes are withdrawn anyway..
> so I am not sure what that will cover you for..
>
> In regards to OSPF redistributing default routes, I believe managing a
> statically done default route is  easier and safer to inject and manage, vs
> one coming from your upstream.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Cassidy B. Larson" <c...@infowest.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, May 16, 2016 11:18:16 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre
>
> We do a cisco ip sla track to make sure BGP is up on the upstream facing
> interface for the static default to be valid.
>
> On May 16, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
> Interesting Carl, doing a manual static default route does not do the
> trick for you ?
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> <supp...@snappytelecom.net>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, May 16, 2016 10:42:35 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre
>
> For #3, I generally ask for full route + a default.  The default is for
> default information originate for OSPF.  If there isn't a default in the
> routing table, my edge router won't advertise a default to non-bgb ospf
> peers.  You don't want a static default in case the peer goes down.
>
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 7:20 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Many providers refer to this as 'RTBH' (remotely triggered blackhole
>> filtering).
>> Josh
>>
>> On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 10:21 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> that request, lacking my fundamental understanding of the terminology,
>>> would be phrased how?
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, it requires your upstream to support a blackhole BGP community.
>>>> This allows you to advertise host routes (/32 or smaller) to them using a
>>>> specific BGP community when you want your ISP to drop all traffic for the
>>>> prefix before it reaches you.  This is -very- useful for DDoS defense.
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 4:16 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That requires something specific?
>>>>> On May 14, 2016 7:33 AM, "Erich Kaiser" <er...@northcentraltower.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We have started requiring our upstreams to filter by ASN vs
>>>>>> Netblock.  We are moving away from upstreams that do not utilize IRR
>>>>>> Entries and require intervention every time we want to make a change, but
>>>>>> it is continuous for us, so for most guys the one time setup is not a big
>>>>>> deal, plus the upstream has to be trusting enough that we will have the
>>>>>> correct filtering on our end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve, I would add Blackhole BGP community or session to your list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>> The Fusion Network
>>>>>> er...@gotfusion.net
>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>>>> On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or, quite a number of carriers (especially in APAC, some carriers in
>>>>>>> Canada, a few 

Re: [AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre

[Erich Kaiser]

We have started requiring our upstreams to filter by ASN vs Netblock.  We
are moving away from upstreams that do not utilize IRR Entries and require
intervention every time we want to make a change, but it is continuous for
us, so for most guys the one time setup is not a big deal, plus the
upstream has to be trusting enough that we will have the correct filtering
on our end.

Steve, I would add Blackhole BGP community or session to your list.

Erich Kaiser
The Fusion Network
er...@gotfusion.net
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote:

> Or, quite a number of carriers (especially in APAC, some carriers in
> Canada, a few in the US, and definitely a large number in Europe) will say
> “do you have an IRR entry at RADB?” and if you say yes then they will use
> the route object information but if you say no then they will tell you to
> open a ticket with their NOC each time you have a prefix to add/remove ….
>
>
>
> I’m actually surprised by the number of transit providers that don’t’
> support automation via IRR
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Faisal Imtiaz
> *Sent:* May 13, 2016 9:25 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre
>
>
>
> Let me clarify this a bit more...
>
>
>
> You are recommending that one creates it's own AS Object in the IRR..(aka
> learns and manages their own RR entries) (it really does not matter which
> IRR it is, at the end of the day they are all sort of synced, it is only a
> question of who is maintaining it, and who can provide help to newbies). ..
> BTW, I agree with this.. however 
>
>
>
> Cause at the end of the day, someone in the up-stream is very likely to
> create the record for you, if it is needed by them...
>
> This is one of those things that most carriers find... "too much trouble
> to teach vs just do it for that network !"
>
>
>
> :)
>
>
>
> Regards.
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, May 13, 2016 7:15:26 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre
>
> I recommend adding your route or AS objects in ARIN's IRR. Merit RADb is
> not free. Most carriers use RADb, and RADb mirrors ARIN's IRR anyway.
>
> On 5/13/2016 3:49 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
> See answers in-line below:-
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Friday, May 13, 2016 11:35:10 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Upstream BGP Questionairre
>
> Im going to expose the breadth of my incompetence here, but there are some
> questions in this document I want to make sure im answering accurately
>
> 1. Are you the owner of the AS Number with RIR- This im assuming is our
> ARIN direct allocation?
>
> They are asking if you have a AS # assigned to you from ... (would be ARIN
> for North America).
>
> 2. Are you registered with an Internet Routing Registry? - Im not sure
> what this is, is this also ARIN or do I need to register something
> elsewhere?
>
> Routing Registry it is a way to build authorized prefixes from a
> DataBase...
>
> You can read up about it from here
> https://www.arin.net/resources/routing/
>
>
> Justin Wilson did a blog about it too... http://www.mtin.net/blog/?p=245
>
>
>
> and yes ARIN also provides a Routing Registry Service ... (along with a
> few others)
>
>
>
> 3. Which type of routes do you want to receive?  - Full routes is what we
> want, but are there caveats in this answer I need to be prepared for?
>
>
>
> No Caveats, as long as your equipment is able to take full routes, then do
> so.
>
>
>
> 4. Do you have downstream ASNs? - I assume this would be customers with
> their own allocations? We currently do not, but do not want to close the
> door on that in the future. Is this something easily updated in the future?
>
> Answer this question in the Present.. (you don't have any so say no)... no
> future door is closed due to this... this is just info asked / collected
&

Re: [AFMUG] Contacts for fiber - Windstream, US Signal, Zayo

[Erich Kaiser]

Josh. Hit me up offlist we can RU. This through Fusion .
On May 6, 2016 10:00 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> Looking for transport pricing from these three carriers.  Does anyone have
> a human I can talk to in order to get a quote?  I'm trying to avoid the 2
> hours of hold times and transfers.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mini split A/C

[Erich Kaiser]

http://www.mitsubishipro.com/controls

https://forwardthinking.honeywell.com/products/wireless/total_connect


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This Honeywell gateway, model/datasheet?  It speaks SNMP over IP and
> ethernet?
>
> I've sort of given up trying to monitor things like ACs directly and
> rather use the air intake temperatures from the SNMP MIBs for things like
> Cisco routers in a POP. Or Juniper or whatever.
>
> I can't copy and paste it here due to NDA, but I have a very interesting
> temperature graph from a 6503 with dual sup32 that lives in a ventilated
> wall mount rack deep inside a parking garage. The parking garage is open to
> the world at one end so you can chart ambient daily temperature rise and
> fall by monitoring its air intake sensors.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 6:09 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Mitsubishi all the way, you can use a honeywell gateway to view your temp
>> and receive alerts via internet and on your phone.
>>
>>
>> http://www.mitsubishipro.com/en/professional/products/cooling-only-systems#5305
>>
>> Use a Diamond Dealer, i think you get a 5 year warranty.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I was looking at mini split air conditioners.  I'm pretty annoyed now
>>> that they all seem to have wireless remotes.
>>>
>>> Do they continue running if the batteries die in the remote control?
>>> I'm ok if I just need to change batteries to change settings, but some text
>>> in the manuals seems to imply that the remote doubles as the thermostat.
>>>
>>> Do *any* of them allow me to hook up a wired thermostat?  Sorry, I'm a
>>> grumpy old man and I want some wires for my thermostat.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Mini split A/C

[Erich Kaiser]

Mitsubishi all the way, you can use a honeywell gateway to view your temp
and receive alerts via internet and on your phone.

http://www.mitsubishipro.com/en/professional/products/cooling-only-systems#5305

Use a Diamond Dealer, i think you get a 5 year warranty.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:55 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I was looking at mini split air conditioners.  I'm pretty annoyed now that
> they all seem to have wireless remotes.
>
> Do they continue running if the batteries die in the remote control?  I'm
> ok if I just need to change batteries to change settings, but some text in
> the manuals seems to imply that the remote doubles as the thermostat.
>
> Do *any* of them allow me to hook up a wired thermostat?  Sorry, I'm a
> grumpy old man and I want some wires for my thermostat.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Brocade Quote?

[Erich Kaiser]

Gino, hit me offlist, we are brocade dealer.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> We are working on a erate project requiring Brocade gear.  Any good VAR or
> Disti to work with?
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

[Erich Kaiser]

I believe the af11x image is just a model of a radio(actual radio will not
have n connectors) someone was talking about it after Louisville.

Constructive criticism is not bad for any vendor, bottom line is with
320mhz of spectrum you should be able to do over 4g aggregate with Today's
standards... I can't wait for new trangos coming out in all normal licensed
freqs... Don't think you will see that with mimosa Bxx... Don't get me
wrong guys at Mimosa are awesome but they have hit a chord and need to
capitalize on it.  256qam is 5 years ago..
On Apr 16, 2016 2:29 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> I am puzzled by the AF11X, the choice of N connectors seems strange, I
> assume there will be a source of waveguide adapters and 11 GHz capable
> jumpers?  Or is Ubiquiti assuming everyone will use new Ubiquiti antennas?
>
> Also, does anyone know why there are 2 N connectors?  Is the implication
> that it is dual pol XPIC capable or something?  Or is this a “cardboard
> mockup” to distract from Mimosa, and the connectorization is still a work
> in progress?  Surely I’m not the only one asking these questions after the
> roadmap presentation at WISPAmerica, I haven’t had a chance to dig for the
> answers yet, probably others have.  And yes, I know, don’t call you Shirley.
>
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini <ginovi...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 16, 2016 2:19 PM
> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration
>
> I beg to differ with you Faisal on the Mimosa statement.  the B11 only
> achievement is low cost, which is soon to be out priced by UBNT AF11.  B11
> are inefficient Spectrum hogs
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Also max QAM level on B11 is 256 on the PTP820S it is 2048.
>>
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Erich Kaiser <
>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You actually need double the spectrum to accomplish the same thing as
>>> the 2+0 config on PTP820S vs B11.  The B11 is using both H and V PTP820S
>>> with 2+0 could both be on Vertical or on Horizontal.  This is one of the
>>> big issues people have been running into is being able to find that type of
>>> spectrum.
>>>
>>>
>>> Erich Kaiser
>>> North Central Tower
>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>> Office: 630-621-4804
>>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <
>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am not familiar with the hardware nor the intricate specifics..
>>>> However I would make a general statement ..
>>>>
>>>> There are a lot of old wives tales associated with licensed link, there
>>>> may be some context to these old wives tails, most folks in the industry
>>>> tend to take it for face value, very few end up examining it for merit of
>>>> correctness. Comments made by folks in the public forums can be the best or
>>>> the worst of such examples.
>>>>
>>>> >From the sounds of it, you have done everything right, and you have
>>>> the link working, then anything else would be an old wives tale.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, if you were able to get 2x80mhz channels in 11ghz, take a look at
>>>> what Mimosa B11's can do with them and yes these folks did challenge
>>>> the accepted status quo  in licensed links..
>>>>
>>>> Regards/
>>>>
>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>>>
>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>>>
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> > From: "Craig Baird" <cr...@xpressweb.com>
>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:32:09 AM
>>>> > Subject: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration
>>>>
>>>> > So a few months ago we purchased an 11 GHz PTP820S 2+0 link.  We
>>>> > recently installed it, and it appears to be working fine, aside from a
>>>> > little bit of frame loss that we are investigating.  While looking
>>>> > into this frame loss issue, I stumbled across something that concerns

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

[Erich Kaiser]

Also max QAM level on B11 is 256 on the PTP820S it is 2048.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
wrote:

> You actually need double the spectrum to accomplish the same thing as the
> 2+0 config on PTP820S vs B11.  The B11 is using both H and V PTP820S with
> 2+0 could both be on Vertical or on Horizontal.  This is one of the big
> issues people have been running into is being able to find that type of
> spectrum.
>
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I am not familiar with the hardware nor the intricate specifics.. However
>> I would make a general statement ..
>>
>> There are a lot of old wives tales associated with licensed link, there
>> may be some context to these old wives tails, most folks in the industry
>> tend to take it for face value, very few end up examining it for merit of
>> correctness. Comments made by folks in the public forums can be the best or
>> the worst of such examples.
>>
>> From the sounds of it, you have done everything right, and you have the
>> link working, then anything else would be an old wives tale.
>>
>> BTW, if you were able to get 2x80mhz channels in 11ghz, take a look at
>> what Mimosa B11's can do with them and yes these folks did challenge
>> the accepted status quo  in licensed links..
>>
>> Regards/
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Craig Baird" <cr...@xpressweb.com>
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:32:09 AM
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration
>>
>> > So a few months ago we purchased an 11 GHz PTP820S 2+0 link.  We
>> > recently installed it, and it appears to be working fine, aside from a
>> > little bit of frame loss that we are investigating.  While looking
>> > into this frame loss issue, I stumbled across something that concerns
>> > me.  On Cambium's support forum there is a post that states that when
>> > dealing with 2+0 links both radios must be in the same sub-band.
>> > There is no explanation of why this is the case.  In our situation,
>> > the radios are in separate sub-bands.  When we did the frequency
>> > coordination, the only two 80 MHz channels available were in different
>> > sub-bands.  I passed those channels along to our vendor who worked
>> > with Cambium to get a BOM.  At no point did anyone say that this was a
>> > problem.  So now, fast forward a few months, and I stumble across this
>> > post, and now I'm wondering what the implications will be.  Both links
>> > are up and running.  Signal on both is right where it should be (-39
>> > on one, -40 on the other).  Both are running at maximum modulation.
>> > There are no defective blocks shown on the radio interfaces.  There is
>> > no indication that this sub-band mismatch is causing any issues, aside
>> > from possibly this frame loss thing.  However, if I mute the radios on
>> > one link, the frame loss persists, so I don't think it's related.
>> >
>> > In case it matters, the two links are oppositely polarized.  On one
>> > side we've got a 2 foot dish with an OMT combining the radios.  On the
>> > other side, we've got an 8 foot dual-pol dish.
>> >
>> > So I'm wondering if anyone knows why Cambium says that you can't use
>> > radios from different sub-bands.  Are we in for trouble at some point?
>> >
>> > Craig
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration

[Erich Kaiser]

You actually need double the spectrum to accomplish the same thing as the
2+0 config on PTP820S vs B11.  The B11 is using both H and V PTP820S with
2+0 could both be on Vertical or on Horizontal.  This is one of the big
issues people have been running into is being able to find that type of
spectrum.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Sat, Apr 16, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> I am not familiar with the hardware nor the intricate specifics.. However
> I would make a general statement ..
>
> There are a lot of old wives tales associated with licensed link, there
> may be some context to these old wives tails, most folks in the industry
> tend to take it for face value, very few end up examining it for merit of
> correctness. Comments made by folks in the public forums can be the best or
> the worst of such examples.
>
> From the sounds of it, you have done everything right, and you have the
> link working, then anything else would be an old wives tale.
>
> BTW, if you were able to get 2x80mhz channels in 11ghz, take a look at
> what Mimosa B11's can do with them and yes these folks did challenge
> the accepted status quo  in licensed links..
>
> Regards/
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Craig Baird" <cr...@xpressweb.com>
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2016 11:32:09 AM
> > Subject: [AFMUG] PTP820S 2+0 configuration
>
> > So a few months ago we purchased an 11 GHz PTP820S 2+0 link.  We
> > recently installed it, and it appears to be working fine, aside from a
> > little bit of frame loss that we are investigating.  While looking
> > into this frame loss issue, I stumbled across something that concerns
> > me.  On Cambium's support forum there is a post that states that when
> > dealing with 2+0 links both radios must be in the same sub-band.
> > There is no explanation of why this is the case.  In our situation,
> > the radios are in separate sub-bands.  When we did the frequency
> > coordination, the only two 80 MHz channels available were in different
> > sub-bands.  I passed those channels along to our vendor who worked
> > with Cambium to get a BOM.  At no point did anyone say that this was a
> > problem.  So now, fast forward a few months, and I stumble across this
> > post, and now I'm wondering what the implications will be.  Both links
> > are up and running.  Signal on both is right where it should be (-39
> > on one, -40 on the other).  Both are running at maximum modulation.
> > There are no defective blocks shown on the radio interfaces.  There is
> > no indication that this sub-band mismatch is causing any issues, aside
> > from possibly this frame loss thing.  However, if I mute the radios on
> > one link, the frame loss persists, so I don't think it's related.
> >
> > In case it matters, the two links are oppositely polarized.  On one
> > side we've got a 2 foot dish with an OMT combining the radios.  On the
> > other side, we've got an 8 foot dual-pol dish.
> >
> > So I'm wondering if anyone knows why Cambium says that you can't use
> > radios from different sub-bands.  Are we in for trouble at some point?
> >
> > Craig
>

Re: [AFMUG] My afternoon project

[Erich Kaiser]

I have done front hubs(4x4) on my old silverado few years back, it was a
bitch to get the nut off, had a 10ft conduit and was standing on the end of
it bouncing, it was kind of fun LOL.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Assembly and brakes offnew assembly back up...my hands got
> dirty...that means I need to drink a few Tecatesajuu
> On Apr 11, 2016 4:49 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Old front wheel bearing assembly needed to be replaced.I did the other
> a few months ago...guess I should have replaced both first time.   30
> minutes!!!
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing

[Erich Kaiser]

It depends on the carriers Darin, I just send you an Email.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:21 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Yes.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, April 11, 2016 12:11:16 AM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] 10G Wave or Ethernet Pricing
>
> Hey guys,
>
> If we have fiber from 2-3 different providers within 2,500 feet of us,
> what is a good price range for 10G pricing for 3-5 year terms? I'm told I
> should be seeing $2,500 or less for 10G wave or ethernet transport to an
> on-net datacenter within 15 miles of us.
>
> Let me know what you have all been seeing in this respect.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook
> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?

[Erich Kaiser]

George,

Call Lee Legler from Yorkville, he is an expert at this stuff.  He has
installed several Generacs for me and repaired an old dog as well.  He will
know right away what needs to be done.  I would recoemmend him to anyone in
the area, the other guy I had out of Newark/Norway area was useless...


Phone:(630) 546-8476

He will also give you a good deal on the generator.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:12 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Which Generac doesn't offer on these. I don't want to piss away a 5yr
> warranty from the get-go.
>
> On 4/7/2016 6:48 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
>> Yes, if  you want to permanently change it over, but there are dual
>> regulators and the air mixing device.
>>
>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 5:11 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?
>>
>> OK, so apparently the regulator jet has to be swapped when changing fuel
>> types. As well as access to the dealer password locked section in the
>> controller to select NG or LP. Dumb. Oh well, we'll just order the LP
>> jet and keep it in a safe place.
>>
>> On 4/7/2016 3:07 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>
>>> 48Kw, Ford v8 on NG
>>>
>>> Generac RTSW200A3
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:49 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice. What size and which transfer switch did you use?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/7/2016 2:43 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Here's our new baby.
>>>>> https://www.dropbox.com/sc/ctcqnbl1cun088e/AAA19j1kF8M9gaCPX_6CVMr4a
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We're most likely going to get the 22kw. I believe Generac has these
>>>>>> newer
>>>>>> units set up so that all you need is to select the correct regulator
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> desired fuel type. So it'd be ideal if we could just plumb two
>>>>>> regulators
>>>>>> and some valves. Guess we'll talk to the dealer and see if we can
>>>>>> make it
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/7/2016 1:20 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Two ways.  Almost certain Generac has a dual fuel carb that will LP
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> NG.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you can always convert LP to work with an unaltered NG device
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> air mixer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lots of mission critical NG installations have a large LP tank too
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> this air mixer device.  The NG companies call them a carburetor.  I
>>>>>>> think it
>>>>>>> just mixes a fixed amount of air with the LP and sends it down the
>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> the right pressure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Original Message- From: George Skorup
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 12:04 PM
>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] LP and NG on genset?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We're going to be putting in one of the Generac 1800RPM quiet models
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> our office (so the neighbors won't bitch too much about the noise of
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> 3600). So here's one of the potential problems we're worried about,
>>>>>>> because it happened. They shut off the natural gas after the tornado
>>>>>>> last year because houses were blown away and gas was leaking
>>>>>>> everywhere.
>>>>>>> If that were to happen again, then our shiny expensive new generator
>>>>>>> will be sitting there doing nothing. So we're thinking about doing a
>>>>>>> LP
>>>>>>> tank as backup, but would like to have the primary be NG. Has anyone
>>>>>>> done this? Two regulators and valves perhaps? I don't have a problem
>>>>>>> manually turning some valves, but I don't wanna be out there at
>>>>>>> o'dark:30 in the rain doing plumbing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

[Erich Kaiser]

Yeah but there may be other OT stuff I want to read?


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 9:19 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> It comes and goes...
> Thus the big ol “OT” in the subject line.  That is your cue to not read...
>
> *From:* Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 07, 2016 6:24 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from
> experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to
> this list?   This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it
> has turned into a political war zone..
>
> This political rhetoric sucks!
>
> Erich Kaiser
> North Central Tower
> er...@northcentraltower.com
> Office: 630-621-4804
> Cell: 630-777-9291
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>> Well stated.
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>
>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>
>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south of Mexico)
>>> He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that time the
>>> Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>
>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>
>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of being
>>> a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this country
>>> being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather see their
>>> neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they have to
>>> gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to win.  Social
>>> security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and prevent the
>>> old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>>
>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
>>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>>>
>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>>>
>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a
>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>>>
>>> America is already fucking great!
>>>
>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
>>> politicians act this poorly.
>>>
>>> 2 cents
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up front.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However,  there is a LOT of street smarts in this guy.  The negotiation
>>>> is just that… a negotiation.  IF he gets in, and starts this process and is
>>>> bound and determined to make it happen, extremities can be discussed (or
>>>> thrown out there as shots across the bow), and then adjustments get made.
>>>> The point of a wall WILL be built, coming from him, gets it started, and
>>>> having Mexico start to feel the pinch (in whatever way that takes) will get
>>>> people’s attention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is “the wall” THE answer to immigration challenges?  Of course not.  Is
>>>> it helpful and one part of the total solution needed?   absolutely.  There
>>>> IS NO border with the U.S. right now.  What is there is a façade.  Trump is
>>>> crude and I wish he would tone down the rhetoric a bit (for everybody’s
>>>> benefit, including himself), but this country needs action in so, so many
>>>> areas and nobody seems to have the gonads to do anything that isn’t buried
>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money Transfers to Mexico - WSJ

[Erich Kaiser]

Maybe use POL instead of OT and I will just filter all of it to my Trash.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 8:04 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> Threaded mail clients FTW?!
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 7, 2016 8:03:14 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump Says He Might Block Money
> Transfers to Mexico - WSJ
>
> It's always had a lot of OT discussion, politics just happens to be a hot
> topic right now.
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Erich Kaiser <er...@northcentraltower.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I never reply to this stuff because I feel it is a personal opinion from
>> experiences you have had in your own life, but what the heck happened to
>> this list?   This was the list to go to for everything technical and now it
>> has turned into a political war zone..
>>
>> This political rhetoric sucks!
>>
>> Erich Kaiser
>> North Central Tower
>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>> Office: 630-621-4804
>> Cell: 630-777-9291
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 1:24 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well stated.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2016, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "The Wall" is a stupid, ignorant and an expensive attempt to solve a
>>>> non-issue...PERIOD!
>>>>
>>>> My great grandfather was an immigrant from Italy...when no one liked
>>>> Italians.  Italy was poor and invading north africa his motivation  was the
>>>> same as all the South Americans coming here now (I say South Americans
>>>> because most of the illegal immigrants are forms Countries south
>>>> of Mexico) He forbade my grandmother from learning Italian because at that
>>>> time the Italians were looked down upon (early 1900's)
>>>>
>>>> Totally shameful that everyone has the "close the gate behind me"
>>>> mentality.  America (not 'merica) is built on immigrants.  Those who have
>>>> no compassion for the Syrians fleeing oppression or the South Americans
>>>> migrating north for a better life are just plain stupid in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> As a progressive liberal - yeah I said it and I'm fucking proud of
>>>> being a progressive liberal - im so sick and tired of the agenda of this
>>>> country being driven by this damn conservative minority who would rather
>>>> see their neighbor fail. And yes it is a conservative minority because they
>>>> have to gerrymander districts and enact "voter ID" laws in order to
>>>> win.  Social security and Medicare/Medicade are vital to our well being and
>>>> prevent the old, sick and poor from dying on the streets.
>>>>
>>>> I could go on and on but #fucktrump and #fuckcruze their policies and
>>>> rhetoric have no place in a "civilized" society.
>>>>
>>>> What the happened to "love thy neighbor"?!?!?  Seriously WTF?
>>>>
>>>> I can't wait to see the republican convention contort itself into a
>>>> million pieces...you reap what you sow.
>>>>
>>>> America is already fucking great!
>>>>
>>>> Sorry for all the cursing but it really chaps my hide to see American
>>>> politicians act this poorly.
>>>>
>>>> 2 cents
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Guys,  I am not a Trump fan boy, so let’s make this disclaimer up
>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] Happy #NationalBeerDay

[Erich Kaiser]

+1 Ken LOL!


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 7:28 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> According to Wikipedia:
>
> Recognized nationwide among beer enthusiasts, National Beer Day is an
> unofficial holiday in the United States celebrated every year on April 7,
> and marking the day in 1933, the first day in 13 years, that people could
> legally buy, sell, and drink beer.
>
> National Beer Day is a celebration of the Cullen–Harrison Act being signed
> into law by President Franklin D. Roosevelt on March 22, 1933. Upon signing
> the legislation, Roosevelt made his famous remark, "I think this would be a
> good time for a beer." The law went into effect on April 7 of that year,
> allowing people to buy, sell and drink beer containing up to 3.2% alcohol
> by weight (or 4.05% by volume) in states that had enacted their own law
> allowing such sales. People across the country responded by gathering
> outside breweries, some beginning the night before. On that first day, 1.5
> million barrels of beer were consumed, inspiring the future holiday. Today,
> April 7 is recognized as National Beer Day and April 6 is known as New
> Beer's Eve.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] changing company name with ARIN

[Erich Kaiser]

I would actually say the opposite.

It took me 5 years to do a name transfer (The original company had been
dissolved for several years), I had all of the appropriate info and they
would still not do it, finally I started making a big fuss about it and
then it was done within 24 hours.  I have been dealing with a IP block
transfer for several months now as well.  What I have found is that you
have to find the right person via these support tickets  I am hoping I
am on my last support ticket to getting these blocks transferred correctly.


Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291


On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> I'm on a few ARIN mailing lists. They really seem to go out of their way
> (more than they probably should) to help people.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 5, 2016 5:40:25 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] changing company name with ARIN
>
> Maybe I'm confusing them with the government.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:48 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] changing company name with ARIN
>
> Ken,
> Short answer is yes, we did something similar..
>
> The best advice I can offer you is to call ARIN and speak to one of their
> folks.
> You will be pleasantly surprised.
>
> Their mission is to make things work for you, as specified by the
> framework
> of ARIN as an organization.
>
> They are not the owners of IP's, but an organization belonging to the
> members, and as such there are
> there to serve the members.
>
> If you have been paying your dues, then you are a member !
>
> Nothing to fear, they cannot simply take stuff away
>
> Regards
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 5, 2016 3:31:20 PM
> > Subject: [AFMUG] changing company name with ARIN
>
> > Has anyone ever done a company name change on your ARIN account?  Any
> > chance
> > that could end badly?  I'm actually not talking a name change, more like
> > consolidating 2 companies.
> >
> > Years ago I formed a second corporation to acquire another ISP (in case
> > there were skeletons in the closet).  The ARIN account is under the
> > original
> > corporate name, which I actually dissolved awhile back and everything now
> > operates under the new corporation.  (Got tired of paying double to the
> > state, lawyer and accountant every year.)
> >
> > Now that I applied for an IPv6 allocation, ARIN is saying no, they can't
> > find my organization name listed with the state.
> >
> > If I tell ARIN the real story, could they do bad stuff like take back my
> > IPv4 allocation?  Would I be better off doing something like listing the
> > old
> > name with the state as an official DBA under the new corporation?  Given
> > the
> > wording I got from ARIN, I'm not sure that would satisfy them.
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Netonix SNMP support

[Erich Kaiser]

Does it give you full stats on each Ethernet port, 64bit counters?

WS-10-250-AC



Erich Kaiser
North Central Tower
er...@northcentraltower.com
Office: 630-621-4804
Cell: 630-777-9291