Re: [AFMUG] Test 6/9 @ 11:00 Pacific

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

So you won’t have a dual pol adapter?

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> On Jun 9, 2018, at 3:02 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Working on REMEC rectangular to AF11X adapters today.  Only one polarization 
> will be used.  But at least the antenna can get reused. 
>  
> From: Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 12:58 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test 6/9 @ 11:00 Pacific
>  
> Que pasa , calabasa?
> 
> Jaime Solorza
>  
>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018, 12:01 PM  wrote:
>> Received one minute before you sent it. 
>>  
>> From: Jason McKemie
>> Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2018 11:59 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Test 6/9 @ 11:00 Pacific
>>  
>> Received here about 1pm central.
>>  
>>> On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 12:57 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:
>> 
>>  

Re: [AFMUG] N-connector Patch

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Agreed, but the way their warehouse fees work it’s best to order them in 
quantity or with other gear.

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> On May 25, 2018, at 7:04 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
> 
> Kp performance
> 
>> On May 25, 2018 4:50 PM, "Matt"  wrote:
>> What is everyone using for a source of N-connector patch cables?  18
>> inch to 24 inch range for connecting say a Cambium PTP450 to dish etc.

Re: [AFMUG] 8 mile link

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

900 PTP 450 from Cambium

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> On May 21, 2018, at 11:05 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm looking for suggestions for an 8 mile link that will be shooting through 
> a single wall of trees about 1/8 mile from one end of the link. Currently 
> using 2.4ghz Ubnt radios. Works great during the winter, but once the trees 
> fill back in, the link drops to about 5Mbps actual throughput. Would be nice 
> to get 20Mbps.
> 
> Any suggestions? The trees are 80ft tall, so putting up a 100ft tower at a 
> residence is not really an option. The other side is on top of a 1000ft tall 
> hill.
> 
> Travis
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Any update on ePMP 3000 APs?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Supposed to ship from Asia in mid-late August.  30+ days after that if they 
come by sea.  I’ve asked them to look at air shipments initially.

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> On May 18, 2018, at 4:30 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> Haven’t heard much about a revised expected time-frame on these.
>  
> We have been trying to hold off instead of doing UBNT or Mimosa
>  
> Painful in a couple areas
>  
> Paul McCall, President
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 772-564-6800 
> pa...@pdmnet.net
> www.pdmnet.com
> www.floridabroadband.com
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] 24Ghz distance

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

They’ve made a major software update, but all the bells and whistles aren’t 
there yet.

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> On May 14, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Dave  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone deployed the new cambium ptp550 radio yet? if so what are you 
> seeing?
> 
> 
>> On 05/14/2018 10:05 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> Yes, you can get 2-ish miles out of 24ghz reasonably well, but I wouldn't go 
>> anywhere near that far with a Mimosa B24 link - keep in mind that these are 
>> tiny antennas, not 2' dishes like you can get with some of the other radios 
>> out there.
>> 
>> I haven't used a B24 yet, but I don't think I'd want to try anything much 
>> beyond a mile with them.
>> 
>> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 9:03 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> Max is 2-ish Miles.
>>> 
>>> SAF has freemile and integra 24ghz radios too
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>>  
>>> 
 On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 7:20 PM Andreas Wiatowski  wrote:
 Hi all,
 
  
 
 It’s been a while since I’ve posted.  Wondering who has used the Mimosa 
 24Ghz product in a heavy rain zone.  What is your max distance? I really 
 wish Cambium had a 24Ghz option!
 
  
 
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> 
> -- 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

We aren’t allowed to sell those without a signed form from the customer, 
pledging to ship them out of the country.  I avoid that like the plague.

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> On May 1, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> I always assumed the international version would have the U.S. as an option. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Mitch Koep  
> Date: 5/1/18 3:14 PM (GMT-06:00) 
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action 
> 
> I got into a jam and ordered from Amazon and a third party re seller sent me 
> non US products. I had to ship them all back
> 
> Should have waited for my normal supplier LOL
> 
> Mitch
> 
>> On 5/1/2018 2:48 PM, Dennis Burgess wrote:
>> I also note, that we ordered US radios, and they were out of stock so we get 
>> non-us radios shipped to us before… 
>>  
>> From: Af  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 2:15 PM
>> To: af 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Enforcement Action
>>  
>> I went and pulled the FCC cert for the FCC ID that they gave, definitely 
>> only certified for 5.7 in the US.
>>  
>> I figure there are two options here:
>>  
>> 1) They're knowingly using a non-US radio in the US, or they've otherwise 
>> hacked the US radio to operate outside of the band.   In this case, good 
>> luck to them.
>>  
>> 2) Somehow they've gotten a non-US radio in the US without knowing, and/or 
>> the UBNT software didn't limit them to the US bands for some reason.  In 
>> this case, I hope that they can plead ignorance, and treat it as a learning 
>> experience.
>>  
>> A lot of the problem anymore is that there are so many different iterations 
>> of radios out there, and as a result, it can be difficult to keep track of 
>> which bands each is legal for.  If the radios don't enforce it, there's a 
>> good chance that someone will unintentionally turn a radio up on a band the 
>> radio isn't authorized for.  On the other hand, one would think that you'd 
>> be aware of TWDR and avoid that frequency range like the plague
>>  
>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:34 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> It says it was a Rocket5 AC Prism... I don't think those ever had updated 
>> stickers (I could be wrong, but that's a relatively new design, which I 
>> think was after all that nonsense). I wonder if it was the non-US model...
>>  
>> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>> On 5/1/18 10:51, Tim Hardy wrote:
>> LV.NET ; LAS VEGAS, NEVADA �89104. ��Notice of 
>> Unlicensed Operation and Notification of Harmful Interference issued for 
>> interference complaint to FAA Terminal Doppler Weather Radar operating on 
>> 5645 MHz in Las Vegas, Nevada. Action by: �Regional Director, Region 
>> Three, Enforcement Bureau. Adopted: �04/27/2018 by Notice. �EB 
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.docx
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-350491A1.pdf
>> 
>> 
>> Only an idiot would use a TDWR frequency anywhere near an airport with one. 
>> That's just challenging someone to come find you.
>> 
>> Is that an DFS unlock code with updated sticker required model they were 
>> using, but didn't bother to actually put the new sticker on it?
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> --
>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>   
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium legacy case

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

No, and there is no EOL date that I’m aware of.

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> On Apr 23, 2018, at 5:38 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> Has manufacturing stopped of the old 450-5ghz SM's ?
> 
>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:16 PM, George Skorup  
>> wrote:
>> The new 5GHz PMP450b SMs are shipping now. The 450b mid-gain is pretty much 
>> identical to the ePMP Force180. And 450b high-gain is an integrated dish 
>> like the Force200. But that's just 5GHz for now. There's still the 2.4 450 
>> which is the classic SM case. And the 3GHz weird-o half n half case. There's 
>> still lots of stock of regular 5GHz 450 SMs too.
>> 
>>> On 4/10/2018 2:21 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
>>> As far as I know, cambium is still shipping radios with that mount.  The 
>>> very latest radios are a different style, but I'm not sure they're even 
>>> available in some bands yet.  Someone who buys this stuff will need to 
>>> confirm.
>>> 
>>> Also, keep in mind that customers like to hold onto gear until it is well 
>>> beyond obsolete.   A not insignificant chunk of my business comes from 
>>> products which are being used to power and/or otherwise support 
>>> what I would consider ancient radios.   As a result I still do backwards 
>>> testing and occasionally end up digging an old radio out of the archives to 
>>> do interoperability testing (see the 320 thread I started a few days ago).  
>>>
>>> 
>>> I know that the WISP I am involved with still has a healthy number of 
>>> radios in that form factor in place.   I'm not sure if they're deploying 
>>> any more or not.
>>> 
 On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
 I am pretty sure I was told or heard that Cambium is transitioning totally 
 away from the old canopy style case. 
  
 That is why I have stopped to building my little plastic clip basic mount. 
  
 I sent out EOL to distributors but I continue to get orders. 
 That form factor is a dead end, right?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.
>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
>>> forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
>>>
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

You can do a Gig with dual 50MHz channels in 6.

I’d explore other options in 11, as I mentioned before.

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> On Apr 19, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think he needs a bigger channel size than you can do in 6GHz.
> 
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
>> wrote:
>> Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.
>> 
>> Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but 
>> Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
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>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>>> 
>>> Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>> Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>>> 
>>> Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
>>> 
>>> Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??
>>> 
>>> What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s 
>>> equipment you use.  
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>>>> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes 
>>>> at 6 GHz?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> what rain zone are you in?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> yes our link is in 18GHz
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
>>>> probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> -sean
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>>>> 
>>>> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>>> 
>>>> What does link planner say you need?
>>>> 
>>>> Five nines I presume?
>>>> 
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > Yes, looking at both.
>>>> >
>>>> > -Original Message-
>>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>>> >
>>>> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>>> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>>>> >> the G and GS.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.

Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but 
Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.

Jeff Broadwick
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> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> >>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
> 
> Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
> 
> Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
> 
> Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??
> 
> What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s 
> equipment you use.  
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 
>> 6 GHz?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
>> 
>> 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> what rain zone are you in?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> yes our link is in 18GHz
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
>> probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -sean
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>> 
>> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>> 
>> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>> 
>> What does link planner say you need?
>> 
>> Five nines I presume?
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> > Yes, looking at both.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>> >
>> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> >> the G and GS.
>> >
>> 
>> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>> >
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I don’t know yet Keefe.  I just know that’s what they are doing.

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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:10 PM, Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote:
> 
> How does that work exactly?
> 
>> On March 25, 2018 3:32:41 PM CDT, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
>> wrote:
>> They are going to use the 3GHz 450m with an additional device at the tower.  
>> The CPE will have to be different though.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>> 
>>>  On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> wrote:
>>>  
>>>  I cant understand why Cambium opens up another additional platform. Why 
>>> not develop 450 line further implementing some physical layer goodies of 
>>> LTE. I've seen this step with Wimax/PMP320 and all know where this ended up.
>>>  
>>>  Once they implemented LTE stuff it is outdated as 5G is moving in. 
>>>  
>>>  
>>>>  -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>>>>  Von: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> Im Auftrag von Matt Hoppes
>>>>  Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. März 2018 20:37
>>>>  An: af@afmug.com
>>>>  Betreff: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>>>>  
>>>>  What’s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?
>>>  
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

What about Versailles?

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> On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:17 AM, Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> 
> Here in Ohio it's very easy to know you're not from this neck of the woods 
> (probably western third of the state)...
> 
> It's Russia, not Russia.
> It's Piqua, not Piqua.
> It's Houston, not Houston.
> It's Rio Grande, not Rio Grande.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 5:33 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
>>  wrote:
>>  
>> I would certainly disagree with that.  If someone does not know how to 
>> pronounce our community names it would 100% tick me off and clue me into 
>> knowing whomever I'm talking to is not here...
>>  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Lewis Bergman
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 5:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>> 
>> I would say that if you want local pronunciations of words you should run 
>> your open tech support.
>> 
>> I don't think most people care. They are normally happy just to have someone 
>> speak English that they can understand. Until you get about 8000 subs I 
>> doubt you can do it anywhere close to the cost that Lane can.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018, 3:42 PM Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyJXDdlD4jQ
>>> 
>>> "IN-DE GO" :)
>>> 
 On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 7:45 AM, Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 It’s In Di Go. Like the color. Not In Dee Go. Like a butchered version of 
 the six fingered man. 
 
> On Mar 14, 2018, at 04:27, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> That's how it's pronounced...
> 
> Maybe a regional thing?
> 
> On Mar 11, 2018 2:02 PM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>  wrote:
>> GTC does this too. I don’t know why it’s so hard. 
>> 
>> The company I used to work for was “Indigo Wireless”. They always say In 
>> Dee Go. 
>> 
>>> On Mar 11, 2018, at 14:50, Sterling Jacobson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are working well for us, and I have a horrible generic support DT, 
>>> lol!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I have had zero complaints from my customers so far this year, so I 
>>> think they are doing well.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> The only feedback I’ve had is customers hear our company name 
>>> pronounced five different ways, even though the DT instructs the proper 
>>> pronunciation.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> But it’s a made-up name so my customer are always confused on 
>>> pronunciation themselves.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 11:25 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I would add that Layne’s service is only as good as the decision tree 
>>> that you provide to him.  The more detailed DT, the better the service 
>>> will be. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Layne Sisk
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 10:48 AM
>>> 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Serverplus
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I would like to share some solid stats with the group.  Please see 
>>> those below.  The comment about a decline is hard to address without 
>>> looking at stats.  Kind of like the user that calls you and vaguely  
>>> says “My internet seems slow” when you have stats that show they are 
>>> getting more than they are paying for.  We have hired a number of new 
>>> people recently because we have grown and have added a new office but 
>>> as Justin said this is a slow time of the year so we also took 
>>> advantage of this time to get rid of some of our weaker  
>>> performers.  Here are the company wide stats for the past week with 
>>> some comments about them, I would stack these up against any call 
>>> center in the world.  Sorry if I come on strong, but as you all know 
>>> this is my baby and I care a lot about it just like you do about your 
>>> networks.  I know we are not perfect, out of 6000 calls I am sure we 
>>> made a mistake or two and I am happy to address any individual issue 
>>> directly, but I am pretty proud of what we do. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> OFFICE STATS
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> SP
>>> 
>>> GOAL
>>> 
>>> Comment
>>> 
>>> AVERAGE TALK TIME
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 0:11:05
>>> 
>>> 0:10:00
>>> 
>>> Down from over 13 min 2 months ago
>>> 
>>>   TOTAL TALK TIME VS 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

They are going to use the 3GHz 450m with an additional device at the tower.  
The CPE will have to be different though.

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> On Mar 25, 2018, at 8:04 AM, Stefan Englhardt  wrote:
> 
> I cant understand why Cambium opens up another additional platform. Why not 
> develop 450 line further implementing some physical layer goodies of LTE. 
> I've seen this step with Wimax/PMP320 and all know where this ended up.
> 
> Once they implemented LTE stuff it is outdated as 5G is moving in. 
> 
> 
>> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
>> Von: Af  Im Auftrag von Matt Hoppes
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 21. März 2018 20:37
>> An: af@afmug.com
>> Betreff: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE
>> 
>> What’s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium LTE

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Will be released first in 2.5 late this year with 3.5 following afterward.

Will work with the new 3.5 450m using another piece of equipment at the tower 
site. (the name escapes me).

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> On Mar 21, 2018, at 3:36 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> What’s known about the Cambium LTE product so far?

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Down tilt for 450i

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I’d put it into LinkPlanner.

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> On Mar 14, 2018, at 8:25 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Actually, we'll probably only want to cover 5 miles at most.
> 
> Jay Weekley wrote:
>> We're putting up a KP Performance KPPA-900DP-90S for use with the 900
>> MHz 450i APs. How much down tilt would you use to serve customers up to
>> 7 miles away? It has zero electrical down tilt
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Re: [AFMUG] Employee Birthdays

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Woot!  Love your math!

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> On Mar 9, 2018, at 6:33 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> Birthday cards $2.00Tecate tall boy $1.79...seems like the way 
> conservative guys would make decision..
> Lol
> 
> Jaime Solorza
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2018, 5:26 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Cards and a gift card to a restaurant.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 9, 2018, at 7:10 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> > Just curious what any of you might do for employees birthdays for the 
>> > employee?

Re: [AFMUG] Pledge drive

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

“Warm smell of colitas...”

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> On Feb 20, 2018, at 1:37 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> And yet no one besides Paul has volunteered to manage and run the list.
> 
> If you think you can do it for less cost then I suggest you volunteer to 
> manage and run it.
> 
> Otherwise let’s all just chip in and move on with our lives.  (Or don’t chip 
> in, it’s not a required payment)
> 
> The other option is to unsubscribe but I’ll warn ya this place is like the 
> hotel California...you can check out but you can never leave ;-)
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> -Sean
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:51 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>> That is absolutely absurd, considering that I have several MX for much 
>> higher traffic levels than this email list sees, running on xen VMs each 
>> with 2 logical CPU cores, 1024MB of RAM, 40GB of disk and running at kernel 
>> average loads of 0.02. 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:52 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Last time this was brought up the cost was $3000 for the year including 
>>> support, $1800 not including support. 
>> 
 On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 Can it really be more than $5
 
 How much memory, CPU, and storage can a mailing list take when virtualized?
 
> On Feb 18, 2018, at 13:20, Keefe John  wrote:
> 
> Just curious, what are the monthly costs to operate this list?
> 
>> On February 18, 2018 11:13:54 AM CST, Chuck McCown  
>> wrote:
>> I notice it has been a while since we pushed a bit to help fund the 
>> not-insignificant AWS expense that keeps this list alive.
>> 
>> Please clean out your couch cushions and paypal the revenue created to 
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>> 
>> Paul, what is the current status of our deficit?
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on theTrango List

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Remec rectangular.  I believe Trango is round remec.

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> On Feb 14, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Gino A. Villarini <g...@aeronetpr.com> wrote:
> 
> PTP800 is remec 
> 
> From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Date: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 3:27 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
> theTrango List
> 
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> PTP820 is also Remec is it not?
>  
> From: George Skorup
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 12:20 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
> theTrango List
>  
> Possibly stupid question. Most of what we have deployed are 11GHz ApexPlus. 
> That is a Remec circular/round interface. Is there an adapter to move to 
> IP20/PTP820 S and/or C?
> 
>> On 2/14/2018 10:45 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I can build N connector adapters for the antenna too if you choose a 
>> connectorized radio. 
>>  
>> From: Jeremy
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:42 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
>> theTrango List
>>  
>> Yeah, this particular link is 6GHz.  She said that she could maybe get me 
>> some Wavelab heads, but if I am replacing all four radios I may as well go 
>> with a manufacturer that is actually in business, and can support their 
>> products.  I am just going to replace the link with a higher capacity 
>> product and move it elsewhere.  If I need a custom adapter I'll let you 
>> know, thanks!
>>  
>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> U.. there is a strange AF11x to Remec adapter that does actually 
>>> exist, (even though Gino is probably given up hope that that is so.  I have 
>>> some done for Gino.  Just not shipped yet.)
>>>  
>>> But if you need a interspecies adapter from anything to anything, let me 
>>> know.  I can typically do one for less than the cost of a new dish/dish 
>>> install. 
>>>  
>>> From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:18 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
>>> theTrango List
>>>  
>>> I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
>>> platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
>>> dishes too.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> CTIconnect
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>> 
>>> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec 
>>>> heads, even at MSRP.
>>>>  
>>>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke <n...@blastcomm.com> wrote:
>>>>> They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an 
>>>>> Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they 
>>>>> couldn't repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full 
>>>>> MSRP.  But yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was 
>>>>> initially working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I 
>>>>> actually sent the radio in.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>>>>> On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out 
>>>>>> of business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited 
>>>>>> time.  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno 
>>>>>> dice.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>>>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nah.  Just funnin ya
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>> On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> No way
>>>>>>>>  
>>

Re: [AFMUG] .........Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I expect that there will be a robust used market as people move to other 
platforms.  I know at least one manufacturer that has Trango adapters for 
dishes too.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 14, 2018, at 10:55 AM, Jeremy  wrote:
> 
> My radios are Remecand Laurie says she can no longer get any Remec heads, 
> even at MSRP.
> 
>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Nate Burke  wrote:
>> They must still have a stockpile of equipment somewhere.  I just sent an 
>> Apex Plus radio in for repair a couple weeks ago.  They said they couldn't 
>> repair it, but offered me the option to buy a new one at full MSRP.  But 
>> yes, almost everyone is gone from Trango.  The person I was initially 
>> working with on the repair was gone from Trango by the time I actually sent 
>> the radio in.  
>> 
>>> On 2/14/2018 9:45 AM, Jeremy wrote:
>>> On another note; Did everyone here know that Trango is pretty much out of 
>>> business?  No sales force, no sales, RMA onlylikely for a limited time. 
>>>  Just tried to get radios for a 2+0 of our existing linkno dice.
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:45 PM, Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
 Nah.  Just funnin ya
 
 Jaime Solorza
 
> On Feb 13, 2018 6:37 PM,  wrote:
> No way
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 5:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] .Fw: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on 
> the Trango List
>  
> ...someone say Lents ending?
>  
> On Tue, Feb 13, 2018 at 6:11 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>  wrote:
>> I remember that and made some comment later about the animal farm 
>> attitude or nature of what had happened... Chuck ran with it and AFMUG 
>> was born.  Something like that...too many Tecates since then but it's my 
>> reality and you all just live in it .. thinking of giving up Lent for 
>> Lent tomorrow...
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza
>>  
>>> On Feb 13, 2018 3:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller"  
>>> wrote:
>>>  
>>> is this the one?
>>>  
>>> a few messages later i see messages like this -
>>>  
>>> To: CBB - Jay Fuller
>>> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 2:55 PM
>>> Subject: Part-15 list
>>> 
>>> Are you having problems posting to the list?  I'm getting bounce 
>>> messages when 
>>> I try, and it even bounced when I tried to email bullit directly.
>>> 
>>> Here is the message:
>>> Invalid final delivery userid: motor...@part-15.org
>>> 
>>> ---
>>>  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Bullit
>>> To: motor...@part-15.org
>>> Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 10:22 AM
>>> Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>>>  
>>> LOL, you really hate the list traffic compared to a forum. I'll commend 
>>> you
>>> on your steadfast devotion.
>>> 
>>> Michael
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 10:18 AM
>>> To: motor...@part-15.org
>>> Subject: RE: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>>> 
>>> Maybe I'm not the only one, but when a thread like this starts up I just
>>> read a couple of words to get the gist and then dump it.
>>> 
>>> So you all do whatever it is you think is necessary, but the
>>> community/list will live on in whatever form (hopefully a forum mode
>>> next time, LOL!)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: motorola-ow...@part-15.org [mailto:motorola-ow...@part-15.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bullit
>>> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:30 AM
>>> To: motor...@part-15.org
>>> Subject: [Motorola] I QUIT - This should be on the Trango List
>>> 
>>> Do you all want all the lists to be free?
>>> 
>>> If so, I'll close up PART-15.ORG and you all can do whatever you want.
>>> 
>>> I'm sick of all this B.S. If you don't want to support PART-15.ORG then
>>> don't and GO AWAY. Start your own damn lists somewhere else because
>>> PART-15.ORG will just fade away which appears to be what you guys want
>>> and I
>>> have no problem with that idea.
>>> 
>>> And you know what Chuck, if people like Charles Wu would ever pay his
>>> bills/debts that he owes PART-15.ORG maybe he could get back on the
>>> lists.
>>> As far as the others go, the hell with them as far as I'm concerned.
>>> They
>>> don't want to support PART-15.ORG so why the hell should I let them in
>>> for
>>> free? B.S. I'm fed up folks.
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Prolly some extortion material in there somewhere...  :-)

Jeff Broadwick
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> On Feb 13, 2018, at 5:29 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies  
> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> That  brings  back  memories. July 7, 2008.  I still have over 100,000
> archived messages from that list.
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com
> 
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.MyakkaTech.com
> 
> --
> 
> Tuesday, February 13, 2018, 5:06:02 PM, you wrote:
> 
> MR> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….
> 
> MR> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.  
> MR> Can’t recall the last name - Michael somebody ran the
> MR> organization.   One day Michael was mad about something and posted
> MR> the infamous “I quit” email - and that was pretty much the end of
> MR> Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was during a Animal
> MR> Farm session if I recall correctly.
> 
> MR> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called
> MR> AFMUG at the time, but it later became that.   Might have even
> MR> been Motorola specific - not that it was ever on topic anyway.
> 
> MR> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes -
> MR> it’s Chuck’s list though occasionally the members donate money for the 
> cost of hosting it.
> 
> MR> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a
> MR> group of people who have known each other for a very long time.  
> MR> You probably shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes
> MR> Chuck get all kranky) but everybody else if fair game.  I like it
> MR> since it’s a place I can say things I can’t really say with a
> MR> WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say without blowback to WISPA).
> 
> MR> Mark
> 
>>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> 
>>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.
>>> 
>>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>>> 
>>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>>> 
>>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>>> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
>>> 
>>> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
>>> happening again.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>>> 
>>> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>>> 
>>> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
>>> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
>>> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>>> 
>>> Jared
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Mike “Bullit” Anderson.  He’s out in CA somewhere now.

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> On Feb 13, 2018, at 5:06 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> You have to go back a long way in WISP history for how we got here….
> 
> The list was Part-15 at one time, and existed prior to WISPA.   Can’t recall 
> the last name - Michael somebody ran the organization.   One day Michael was 
> mad about something and posted the infamous “I quit” email - and that was 
> pretty much the end of Part 15 and the list.  I actually think that was 
> during a Animal Farm session if I recall correctly.
> 
> Chuck took over the list after that - I don’t think it was called AFMUG at 
> the time, but it later became that.   Might have even been Motorola specific 
> - not that it was ever on topic anyway.
> 
> There are WISPA lists - but the AFMUG list has lived on.   Yes - it’s Chuck’s 
> list though occasionally the members donate money for the cost of hosting it.
> 
> This list has it’s advantages.   It’s membership leans toward a group of 
> people who have known each other for a very long time.   You probably 
> shouldn’t say bad things about WBMfg products (makes Chuck get all kranky) 
> but everybody else if fair game.  I like it since it’s a place I can say 
> things I can’t really say with a WISPA hat on (or at least I can’t say 
> without blowback to WISPA).
> 
> Mark
> 
>> On Feb 13, 2018, at 2:13 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> Fair warning, Forrest has spam rights too...
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 12:03 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> 
>> I merge my AnimalFarm email list with my MailChimp list about once a year.
>> 
>> You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>> 
>> So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>> 
>> I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>> But I think it is cleaner and better quality to use MailChimp.
>> 
>> Did you unsubscribe from the Mail Chimp?  That will prevent it from ever
>> happening again.
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 11:58 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
>> 
>> I just got spammed by Chuck McCown. What's up with that?
>> 
>> I sure as hell haven't signed up for any of his email lists nor done any
>> business with him, or even indicate I would like to. I find it in extremely
>> poor taste to mine the Af list for spam targets.
>> 
>> Jared
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Why, thank you Jay!

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> On Feb 13, 2018, at 4:03 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> i must get 20+ messages a month from various vendors.  mostly part of being a 
> WISPA member.
> i glance at most...but most often just use shift-delete a whole lot.
>  
> I can mention several things I have really appreciated getting from "spam"
>  
> * Baicells Black Friday Deal
> * Jeff Broadwick's newsletter posts
> *  Chuck Mccown's product announcements
>  
> I guess there are other product announcements I prefer too.
>  
> I shop at Baltic a lot, i usually read their stuff
> - Original Message -
> From: fiber...@mail.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 2:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> 
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2018 
> > From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Spam from Chuck
> >
> > You do realize that this list is my list, right?
>   No, I did not know that. It doesn't say so when you sign up for the list. 
> 
> > So essentially every time I make a posting here I am spamming you, right?
>   Participating on the list isn't quite the same as inboxing me directly with 
> a canned message. 
> 
> > I used to do it every Friday right here on this list.
>   Your list, your rules. I still don't think it's cool to send out 
> unsolicited commercial messages without an opt-in. Furthermore industry best 
> practices include using a double opt-in. Mailchimp support double opt-in: 
> https://kb.mailchimp.com/lists/signup-forms/about-double-opt-in
> 
>   In summary: I did not know that by joining the Af list I would, unbeknownst 
> to me and surreptitiously, be signed up for another direct email list. 
> 
> Jared

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I love the AF-11 for its price point and overall value.  It’s a great product 
to use to build out an 11GHz backbone if you don’t need the speed of the big 
iron in the immediate future.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:55 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wrong description. They are high value.
> 
> Build quality is actually pretty good.
> 
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
>> On 2/12/2018 7:20 PM, TJ Trout wrote:
>> af11's are pretty cheap
>> 
>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> In general, ePMP.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> CTIconnect
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>> 
>>> On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So if y’all were helping a friend would you recommend 450 or ePMP?
>>>>  
>>>> I doubt he will ever have more than 50 customers. 
>>>>  
>>>> I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years.  I didn’t 
>>>> like it when it first came out.  
>>>>  
>>>> From: Joe Novak
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>>>>  
>>>> We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have 
>>>> vertical separation, some are grain elevators. Just gotta have some 
>>>> frequency separation. I really like them. Latency under load is good, it's 
>>>> a purpose built radio and I think it serves it's purpose well. If he has 
>>>> the option to use the AF5XHD or whatever the naming convention is even 
>>>> better, I think it hit general availability.
>>>>  
>>>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Two AF5x on same tower, One AP on second tower 20 ft away...all other 
>>>>> radios within 4 mile radius...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>  
>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2018 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>> All on the same tower, right?
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> From: Jaime Solorza
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM
>>>>>> To: Animal Farm
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs 
>>>>>> in Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues...
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp.  He is about 5.5 
>>>>>>> miles from a backbone connection.  I would suggest AF5X to him but he 
>>>>>>> is gonna want to use 5 GHz for his wisp I presume. 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Can an AF5X and some 5 GHz cambium (or others) access points peacefully 
>>>>>>> coexist on a tower?
>>>>>>> Very rural area.  Not expecting much interference other than home 
>>>>>>> routers. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

In general, ePMP.

Jeff Broadwick
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jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 12, 2018, at 7:08 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> So if y’all were helping a friend would you recommend 450 or ePMP?
>  
> I doubt he will ever have more than 50 customers. 
>  
> I have not had much experience with ePMP in the last 4 years.  I didn’t like 
> it when it first came out. 
>  
> From: Joe Novak
> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:56 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>  
> We have a few towers with AF5x and Cambium EPMP co-existing. Some have 
> vertical separation, some are grain elevators. Just gotta have some frequency 
> separation. I really like them. Latency under load is good, it's a purpose 
> built radio and I think it serves it's purpose well. If he has the option to 
> use the AF5XHD or whatever the naming convention is even better, I think it 
> hit general availability.
>  
>> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Jaime Solorza  
>> wrote:
>> Two AF5x on same tower, One AP on second tower 20 ft away...all other radios 
>> within 4 mile radius...
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza
>>  
>>> On Feb 12, 2018 4:43 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>> All on the same tower, right?
>>>  
>>> From: Jaime Solorza
>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 4:41 PM
>>> To: Animal Farm
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mini wisp
>>>  
>>> Yes..I have two AF5X links as PTP and 25 radios all in 5 GHz off 4 APs in 
>>> Fabens, Texas sharing spectrum with 3 WISPs...no issues...
>>>  
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>  
 On Feb 12, 2018 4:32 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
 Talking to a friend that wants to build a small wisp.  He is about 5.5 
 miles from a backbone connection.  I would suggest AF5X to him but he is 
 gonna want to use 5 GHz for his wisp I presume. 
  
 Can an AF5X and some 5 GHz cambium (or others) access points
 peacefully coexist on a tower?
 Very rural area.  Not expecting much interference other than home routers. 
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

This is all I have right now:



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> On Feb 9, 2018, at 4:33 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
> 
> Isn't the 3k is supposed to give us 4x4 MIMO and beam steering? And not just 
> uplink beam steering like the 2k BSA, but also downlink, IIRC.
> 
>> On 2/9/2018 3:22 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> The 300s will work with both legacy 1000/2000 and with the new 3000.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, they'll support 256QAM, so if the signals are good enough, you'll get 
>>> some more out of them because of that. Beyond that, I don't know that there 
>>> will be much in the way of gains on a 20mhz channel. As far as I know, 
>>> they're backwards compatible with 1000 and 2000 APs, but it's possible 
>>> something has changed there. At any rate, all of the old SMs should be work 
>>> with the 3000 APs. 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>> will 20mhz channels give you any more jesus juice than 20mhz channels with 
>>>> the 200APs?
>>>> as i understand it its only a single revision backward compatible though, 
>>>> 1000 series will not work with it but 2000 will?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
>>>>> <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>>>> 300s should ship from Asia, along with the PTP550s with a week.  Figure 
>>>>> 30-45 days from then.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>>> CTIconnect
>>>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for awhile, but I 
>>>>>> still haven't gotten the ones I have on order... I expect they'll be 
>>>>>> shipping any day now. The epmp 3000 APs probably still won't be out for 
>>>>>> a few more months, from what I've heard. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I believe SM, but not AP
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>>>> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Is that out yet?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Jon Langeler
>>>>>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The 300s will work with both legacy 1000/2000 and with the new 3000.

Jeff Broadwick
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574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, they'll support 256QAM, so if the signals are good enough, you'll get 
> some more out of them because of that. Beyond that, I don't know that there 
> will be much in the way of gains on a 20mhz channel. As far as I know, 
> they're backwards compatible with 1000 and 2000 APs, but it's possible 
> something has changed there. At any rate, all of the old SMs should be work 
> with the 3000 APs. 
> 
>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> will 20mhz channels give you any more jesus juice than 20mhz channels with 
>> the 200APs?
>> as i understand it its only a single revision backward compatible though, 
>> 1000 series will not work with it but 2000 will?
>> 
>>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 12:14 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 300s should ship from Asia, along with the PTP550s with a week.  Figure 
>>> 30-45 days from then.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> CTIconnect
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for awhile, but I still 
>>>> haven't gotten the ones I have on order... I expect they'll be shipping 
>>>> any day now. The epmp 3000 APs probably still won't be out for a few more 
>>>> months, from what I've heard. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I believe SM, but not AP
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- Original Message --
>>>>> From: "Jon Langeler" <jon-ispli...@michwave.net>
>>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>>> Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is that out yet?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jon Langeler
>>>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

300s should ship from Asia, along with the PTP550s with a week.  Figure 30-45 
days from then.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 9, 2018, at 1:02 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> They've been taking orders for the SM (Force 300) for awhile, but I still 
> haven't gotten the ones I have on order... I expect they'll be shipping any 
> day now. The epmp 3000 APs probably still won't be out for a few more months, 
> from what I've heard. 
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2018 11:12 AM, "Adam Moffett"  wrote:
>> I believe SM, but not AP
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Jon Langeler" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 2/9/2018 12:10:18 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] EPMP AC version?
>> 
>>> Is that out yet?
>>> 
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Licensed Links 2Gbps+?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Most every licensed link manufacturer supports 2x 80MHz channels.  You won’t 
get those outside of 11 and 18GHz.

Max you can get in 6GHz (for the 30 mike link) is 2x 60MHz.  You won’t get the 
high end QAM on a 30 mike link.

Jeff Broadwick
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> On Jan 11, 2018, at 11:57 AM, Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
> 
> Looking at the Bridgewave Navigator again, it appears to support 160 MHz 
> channels. So in bands where you can license 80 MHz each way FDD (18 GHz, 23 
> GHz), if you can get two adjacent 80 channels, you can run 160 MHz each way, 
> dual polarity, 4096QAM?
> 
> Nothing is going to beat the shannon limit but that is sure a lot of FDD Mbps 
> per polarity.
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 9:09 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
>> For the 30mile shot you likely would need to do 6ghz to survive rain fade. 
>> Look into Bridgewave Navigator.
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2018 2:07 AM, "Cassidy B. Larson"  wrote:
>>> I have a need to get around a couple of ridges with 2Gbps+ using licensed 
>>> links. Lets say fiber is out of the question.
>>> Two hops, 14 miles and 30 miles. Want to get as much bandwidth as possible.
>>> 
>>> I’m thinking QTY2 11GHz 80MHz channels using XPIC.  Thoughts?  Radios 
>>> that’d do that best?
>>> I heard SAF has a new Integra coming out that’ll do XPIC, but it’s a whiles 
>>> out.  Other ideas (besides fiber)?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> -c
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Jack Black made the movie!

Jeff Broadwick
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> On Jan 7, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree, didn't like the last one I saw but that one was great fun.
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 7, 2018, 6:23 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>> Jumanji is a really fun movie.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Darin Steffl <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> Went to "Molly's Game" today and it was really good.
>>> 
>>> Go see it!
>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> What? Didn't go see the Post, or Hostiles? 
>>>> 
>>>> Jaime Solorza
>> 
>>>>> On Jan 5, 2018 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>> I Tonya
>>>>>  
>>>>> Two thumbs up.  Enjoyed every minute of it. 
>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Darin Steffl
>>> Minnesota WiFi
>>> www.mnwifi.com
>>> 507-634-WiFi
>>>  Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Jumanji is a really fun movie.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Jan 6, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> Went to "Molly's Game" today and it was really good.
> 
> Go see it!
> 
>> On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Jaime Solorza  
>> wrote:
>> What? Didn't go see the Post, or Hostiles? 
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza
>> 
>>> On Jan 5, 2018 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>> I Tonya
>>>  
>>> Two thumbs up.  Enjoyed every minute of it. 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Darin Steffl
> Minnesota WiFi
> www.mnwifi.com
> 507-634-WiFi
>  Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] OT Star Wars movie

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I paid and I thought it was really good!  :-)

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Dec 15, 2017, at 11:39 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> It was pretty good.  Better because our Cisco sales folks gave me free 
> tickets. 

Re: [AFMUG] tis the season?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Go Blue and whoever is playing Saban!

Jeff Broadwick
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> On Nov 25, 2017, at 11:08 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
>  
> War Tide?
> Roll Eagle ? :)
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Siklu and Ignite.Net.

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> On Oct 31, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.
> 
> Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps PtMP 
> product that actually works?

Re: [AFMUG] 217-222MHz observation...

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

We have a guy who specializes in this stuff.  Lance Howard.  I’ve asked him to 
join the list, but if you have any questions, I’ve copied him on this email.

Jeff Broadwick
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> On Oct 25, 2017, at 11:51 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Great suggestion !  What uses 220 mhz now ?
> 
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 217-222MHz observation...
> Date: Wed, Oct 25, 2017 9:04 PM
> 
> Cambium had a webinar on 220MHz showcasing their new licensed SCADA line of 
> radios (220, 400, 700 and 900MHz) for utilities, ITS, rail, etc. 
> applications.  Noticed some electric companies are starting to use 220 MHz 
> for meters.might help some of you guys to research this and present to 
> your utilities which are trashing your 900MHz.  Just an idea. 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Actually, yesterday was full of good signs.  Still very early though.  I 
wouldn’t get too high or too low right now.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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> On Oct 25, 2017, at 8:38 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
> 
> Doesn’t look good
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Milholen
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2017 8:36 AM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz future
>  
> Seems we will be left in the cold!
> 
> https://insidetowers.com/daily-tower-news-controversial-changes-3-5-ghz/?utm_source=Inside+Towers+List_campaign=bfd6d8f22b-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_10_22_medium=email_term=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777=0_af16c4fc22-bfd6d8f22b-74919777
> 
>  
> 
> Anybody wanna buy an all cambium wisp?
> 
> theres nothing to see under the hood LOL
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Where is the link located Mitch?

Chances of getting 240MHz spectrum in 6GHz is slim at best.  



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> On Oct 21, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
> 
> SIAE, Dragonwave, Bridgewave Navigator
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Will start Monday 
> Have to figure out Missouri and my own long link
> Thanks for the input
> 
> Mitch
> 
>> On 10/21/2017 6:13 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Dragonwave as well.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Adair Winter" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 6:12:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Best Radios (Licensed) for 2 gig
>> 
>> SIAE and cambium both make radios that will do above 1gb, you'll need to 
>> work with the vendor to figure out the best way to get to 2gb. But with 
>> enough radios and lacp, you should be able to do it. Assuming you have the 
>> spectrum. 
>> 
>>> On Oct 21, 2017 5:32 PM, "Mitch Koep"  wrote:
>>> Am looking at a 22.4 mile link that needs a gig now and 2 gig by end of 
>>> next year
>>> 
>>> Am trying to figure out the best gear for this application
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Mitch
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cabinets with AC and heat

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Have you looked at Charles?  They are out of the Chicago area.

Jeff Broadwick
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574-220-7826 Cell
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> On Oct 19, 2017, at 8:58 AM, can...@believewireless.net 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've never received a quote from them either. Pestered them for months and 
> they never quoted me.
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Adair Winter  
>> wrote:
>> Who have you been talking to? That's never been my experience. 
>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2017 1:18 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>>> I usually like amorod but after two initial discussion and two weeks they 
>>> never gave me a quote.
>>> 
 On Wed, Oct 18, 2017, 11:49 PM Adair Winter  
 wrote:
 I'm pretty sure that an 
 https://amprod.us/products/outdoor-telecom-enclosures/minifort/
 would be about the same cost, maybe a little more and made in the USA. If 
 you need a number of them I'm sure they would work with you.
 
> On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:44 PM, Lewis Bergman  
> wrote:
> I have a few projects coming up that will require some cabinets. After 
> looking about I find that they are still rediculously expensive. 
> 
> I am attempting to source them out of China at which I am having a decent 
> degree of success. At the moment I am attempting to ensure that the 
> Hitachi air conditioners are well supported here in the states.
> 
> Dimensions internally are about 70Hx31Dx31W. Room outside the 19" 4 post 
> for outlet strips and the like as you can tell. They would ship with a 
> 48vdc power supply since those are required for the AC fan. Aux fan and 
> LED light would also be 48VDC. It may be possible to change that to 24VDC 
> if enough people had to have it that way.
> 
> So far, an IP55 cabinet with 110VAC 1000 Watts AC for mounted, ground bus 
> bar, heater, auxillary fan, at least 30 RU 19" rack, separate battery 
> compartment (probably 12 to 15 inches tall) , and single access door. I 
> am still working on making sure the breaker panel is Square D or breaker 
> compatible.. Some dry contract alarms will be available like door 
> opening, high temp, HVAC failure. Nothing to exotic there. I have not 
> specified an auxillary generator plug but I could.
> 
> Looks like it will run me about $2500 landed if I buy a few dozen. I am 
> still trying to figure out how I would take care of warranty issues but I 
> believe I'll be able to work this out.
> 
> Is anyone interested in taking a few at that price? Shipping is likely to 
> cost upwards of $300 each depending on location of course.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Adair Winter
 VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
 Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
 C: 806.231.7180
 http://www.amarillowireless.net
 
 
 
 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It think you are conflating two products...the PTP 550 which is the In the core 
product line, and the new ePMP 300 SM which is being sold as a low cost (sub 
$300) link until the new ePMP 3000 AP comes out mid next year.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
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574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Oct 17, 2017, at 12:52 AM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
> 
> Correct, still a wifi product, that's why it comes with the epmp interface 
> apparently. The 450i case is a good addition, still needs to get proven in 
> the field but it all seems real nice. 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>> not complaining, force 200 is now my goto cheap link if they have a "next 
>> gen" cheap link, im down
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:32 PM, Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
>>> so its epmp 3000 in ptp? still a "wifi" product though ?
>>> 
 On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:03 PM, Ryan Ray  wrote:
 It's an AC chipset, it can do non-contiguous channel aggregation, it's 
 CHEAP. Little over $1000 per link. It's weird seeing the epmp interface at 
 wispapalooza on a "PTP" product but that's seems to be the way she goes. 
 I'll be ordering a bunch.
 
 
 
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Steve Jones  
> wrote:
 
> what puts tits on yet another ptp solution with the 550?
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:16 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>  wrote:
> 
>> IDK the ptp550 is pretty sexy.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:05 AM, John Seaman 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Hi Gino, While you didn’t miss out on any earth shattering new product 
>>> announcements, you did miss out on a lot of fun and an overall great 
>>> conference.  VERY sorry you couldn’t attend and we hope to see you next 
>>> year if not sooner!
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
>>> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2017 6:40 AM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Wispapalooza - where's the beef?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> It doesn’t seen that Wispapalooza is the new gear coming out party it 
>>> once was? No new gear announced? Has the industry lost its shine?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Nothing new from Mimosa
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> UBNT just showing just another 5 ghz backhaul
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cambium with just another backhaul too? And AC Epmp… nothing 
>>> spectacular either
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Where is the new gear in 24 ghz? Multiband backhaul? (5,24,60), more 60 
>>> ghz? SFP ports? 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> 
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Small 5ghz antennas

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The lite version is nice for small Omni locations.  $182.27 plus the Omni is 
pretty hard to beat.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 15, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> I can't see myself using the 1k anywhere anymore.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2017 8:24:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small 5ghz antennas
> 
> Yeah, same here. The 2k nuts are never loose, but I still always check them. 
> I still use a lot of 1k's because of the 48v thing too... If the 2k ran on 
> 24v, I'd use them everywhere, but most of our older sites are 24v only, and 
> I'm lazy, so they get the 1k.
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2017 8:10 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
>> I noticed that on almost all of the 1k's we've bought. I always make sure 
>> the SMA nuts are tight. I even check the 2k's since I'm paranoid.
>> 
>> The only place I really use the 1k anymore is existing smaller 24V sites, 
>> because the 2k is 48VDC only.
>> 
>> On 9/14/2017 7:57 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> The problem with the 1000 is that a lot of them used to come without the nut 
>> thingies around the antenna connectors tightened all the way and water would 
>> leak in there... at least that's the best theory I could come up with as to 
>> why they leaked... anyway, I haven't had any fill with water since I started 
>> tightening them more and slapping some clear Gorilla tape over the lights 
>> seems to fix that problem pretty well. 
>> 
>> I haven't seen any problems with the 2000 so far. They're a much better 
>> design, in my opinion... at least they don't have any crummy little stickers 
>> that fall off and leak.
>> 
>> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 7:26 PM, Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>>> I dont know man, not the most robust radio, i like it under the umbrella, 
>>> with the 1000 light covers popping off and filling them with water i have 
>>> little trust in the 2k
>>> 
 On Sep 14, 2017 6:43 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:
 Silicone-rubber tape.
 
 On 9/14/2017 4:05 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
 cold shrink tubing I suppose.  Not sure if they make it that small.
 
 
 -- Original Message --
 From: "Steve Jones" 
 To: "af@afmug.com" 
 Sent: 9/14/2017 4:52:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small 5ghz antennas
 
 you can use rfelements connectorized with the 2000 series or quickport 
 with the 1000 series, thats probably your smallest footprint solution.
 
 if you find a clean way to weatherize the top of the 2000 AP with the 
 connectorized that doesnt involve mastic please update
 
> On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Nate Burke  wrote:
> I'm looking to install an EPMP AP where the subs (force 180's) are only 
> going to be about 100 yards away, and within a few degrees of each other. 
>  There is an existing mount already installed on the AP side, but it 
> cannot handle something the size of a normal sector. There is a bare FSK 
> AP installed today, so that's the form factor I'm replacing.  Replacing 
> the mount would be very difficult.  Any recommendations for small 
> antennas for the EPMP line?  There are other EPMP Ap's at the site, so I 
> would like to keep sync on the AP side, otherwise I would just throw on a 
> Force180 as an AP and be done.
 
 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

56MHz channels only.  Maxes out at about a Gig full duplex with xpic 80MHz 
channels.  Very nice system for the money.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Trey for finding and shipping/selling me the part that Ceragon 
> damaged in return shipping!
> 
> That made it so I could finally remount my radio.
> 
> They must have defaulted the Ceragon radio because none of my IP/programming 
> in band works and I didn't add the Ethernet for management cable.
> Got to go back now and do all that over again and hopefully access and 
> program the radio.
> 
> But now I'm wondering if I should just buy a set of Airfiber 11FX equipment 
> and replace the Ceragon entirely.
> 
> Does Airfiber 11FX do the full band in XPIC like the Ceragon?
> 
> Can it mate to my existing dual-pol antennas?
> 
> I can't find much info on that online.
> 
> Has anyone done a similar 'swap out' with Airfiber 11FX fully maxed spectrum 
> and bandwidth wise yet?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The 3000.  It will have an AC Wave2 chipset and it will work with all current 
ePMP SMs and all Elevated SMs.  Availability currently scheduled for the first 
quarter of 2018.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Yes, they've already said that.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:43:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
> 
> Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday?
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
> 
> If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their 
> roadmap, what would it be?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The most reliable tracks have it hitting well north of you...but they are all 
really guessing.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 3, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> Hi Brett,
> 
> We are all keeping any eye on Irma's developing track as well as praying that 
> everyone gets spared.
> It is not going to be good, and I will leave it at that.
> 
> In regards to your question of what possibly can happen with a CAT 5 
> hurricane, I would suggest that you look at these pictures:
> 
> http://www.photolib.noaa.gov/nws/andy1.html
>  (Pay attention to the pictures on page 2 of the wood pieces and the palm 
> tree)
> 
> Having lived thru that, and knowing what folks went thru first hand .
> 
> All I can say, with deep deep meaning... "In a Cat5 storm, all bets are off, 
> what will survive and what will fail.."
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> - Original Message -
>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:05:21 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Hurricane Irma
> 
>> We are having quite the busy year for strong hurricanes. They don’t yet know 
>> the
>> path of Irma, but are certain that Puerto Rico will get the full cat3 or even
>> up to cat5 force of it.
>> 
>> History of storms like these dictate that is go all along the eastern cost 
>> as it
>> weakens. They are thinking it could surpass category 5 and become a super
>> typhoon. That doesn’t sound good at all.
>> 
>> Anyone ever have a storm topple a guyed tower?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

You can buy just the license.  Rick Harnish has done several for my customers.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 6:25 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> Can you not just sell it or do you have to buy the whole company?
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 3:22 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>  
> It's been done, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> can you sublease your license to multiple people?
>  
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
> They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York. 
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> Anyone in Alabama?
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>  
> Mine expires in 2024.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I 
> remember correctly.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>  
> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. 
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
> 
> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.
>  
> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who does.
>  
> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a 
> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
>  
> -Sean
>  
>  
>  
> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>  
> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
> 602-426-0542
> r...@triadwireless.net
> www.triadwireless.net
>  
> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

It's been done, but I'm not convinced it's a good idea.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 1, 2017, at 5:28 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> can you sublease your license to multiple people?
> 
>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:30 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>  wrote:
>> They are national. If you have one in California it’s valid in New York. 
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anyone in Alabama?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rory
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
>>> Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 1:11 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Mine expires in 2024.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 2:03 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> How much longer is an NN license good for?  I think through 2018 if I 
>>> remember correctly.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> 
>>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>>> 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> 
>>> Sent: 9/1/2017 4:02:47 PM
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65GHz spectrum availability
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I have an NN license I don’t use and would consider selling. 
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you already have an NN license then you can use it just as you have been.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If you don't have an NN license you'll need to buy one from someone who 
>>> does.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> If you are looking to use the 3550-3650 CBRS spectrum you'll need to wait a 
>>> bit longer for the SAS to get up and running and for the auctions etc.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Sean
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 2:38 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Is there any chance of getting any or is it still in hiatus?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO
>>> 
>>> 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040
>>> 
>>> 602-426-0542
>>> 
>>> r...@triadwireless.net
>>> 
>>> www.triadwireless.net
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> “A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz.” — Humphrey Bogart
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I'm sorry...they are supposed to ship soon.  Should be in the US around the 
beginning of October.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Will ship from Asia around Oct. 1st.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
>> On Aug 30, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me, I 
>> need to order some.
>> 
>> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box as 
>> the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but there 
>> are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these should be a 
>> good fit.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman 
>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?  
>>> It's cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and 
>>> 190, but I still suggest Force 200.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>>> From: "FCC ID Alert" <ale...@fccid.io>
>>>> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
>>>> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
>>>> To: "FCC ID Alert" <ale...@fccid.io>
>>>> Cc: 
>>>> 
>>>> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for 
>>>> New Equipment.
>>>> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031 
>>>> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>>>> unsubscribe
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Will ship from Asia around Oct. 1st.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 30, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Yup... it's existence has been public for awhile... and this reminds me, I 
> need to order some.
> 
> The neat thing about the Force 190 is that it comes in the same size box as 
> the Force 180. I still expect to use Force 200s most of the time, but there 
> are a lot of cases where the 180 isn't quite enough where these should be a 
> good fit.
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>> Uhm I think the Force 190 is showing up at distributors at this point?  It's 
>> cheaper and 3db less than the Force 200.  A good gap between 180 and 190, 
>> but I still suggest Force 200.
>> 
>> 
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Colin Stanners  wrote:
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: "FCC ID Alert" 
>>> Date: Aug 30, 2017 7:30 AM
>>> Subject: Cambium Networks Inc. FCC ID Application for New Equipment
>>> To: "FCC ID Alert" 
>>> Cc: 
>>> 
>>> A new FCC ID application has been submitted by Cambium Networks Inc. for 
>>> New Equipment.
>>> See FCC ID Z8H89FT0031 
>>> Equipment Authorized: ePMP Force 190 Transceiver
>>> unsubscribe
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Manufacturer MTBF ratings and actual lifespan of product

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I think most of them derive from the MTBF of the various components.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 26, 2017, at 11:30 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> I've never put stock in those numbers.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2017 10:29:44 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Manufacturer MTBF ratings and actual lifespan of product
> 
> Where do these MTBF ratings come from by radio manufacturers? Are they just 
> made up numbers the manufacturer "hopes" that the product can achieve or is 
> actual testing done to get to these numbers? I thought i seen a radio once 
> with a 90 year MTBF rating. How they hell can they determine that? The 
> components in the radio didn't even exist 90 years ago.
> 
> If a radio manufacture states in the spec sheets that the radio has a 40 year 
> MTBF rating but then also admits that after 4 years expect to have problems 
> due to a design flaw, what does that mean? Is the expected MTBF rating only 
> good in a "lab environment" under "ideal conditions"?
> 
> Seems to me the MTBF is just marketing fluff and actually doesn't mean 
> crap
> 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

You could look at it as holding a homestead during a land grab.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 25, 2017, at 6:31 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> So in order to operate an AF11X at its maximum channel width of 56mhz you 
> would have to register a path for 80mhz license is that true? So basically 
> your wasting some spectrum right? So could you have dual 40mhz  AF11X links 
> on the same path operating in your licensed 80mhz of spectrum that way your 
> not wasting any spectrum? Will that or can that even work?
> 
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 9:54 PM, Hardy, Tim  wrote:
>> As of today, no US paths have been coordinated or applied for with these 
>> radios.  
>> From: Af  on behalf of SmarterBroadband 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:43:08 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>>  
>> Any members using Cablefree Licensed Links?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Patrick
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:31 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Apologies I've only just seen this post,
>> 
>> A small input from CableFree. Aware we are a vendor so only leaving a short 
>> post.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The CableFree FOR3 product line is popular with ISPs in some countries.
>> 
>> Available in many bands including 11GHz (and other bands 5-26GHz, including 
>> 24 UL, if interested)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> www.cablefree.net/for3
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Up to 880Mbps full duplex using 1024QAM, single polarisation, and 112MHz 
>> spectrum.
>> 
>> You can of course set the radio to narrower channels, for example 440Mbps 
>> full duplex in 56MHz.
>> 
>> This is a "telecom design" FDD radio with separate transmit/receive 
>> channels, so you get symmetric links up/down and low latency.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Comments & questions welcome -
>> 
>> Best regards
>> 
>> Stephen
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 31 May 2017 at 16:58, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>> 
>> How many usable 11ghz channels are there? I looked on the Mimosa cloud map 
>> and only one other 11ghz registered link in my area and it doesn't appear to 
>> be in path with any of my towers.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Dennis Burgess  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, called links J  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant
>> 
>> MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
>> 
>> Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com
>> 
>> Office: 314-735-0270
>> 
>> E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:09 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> We are on TowerCoverage.  I did not know it did path calcs.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 9:56 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Towercoverage.com has done 11ghz for years J 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Hardy, Tim
>> Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 6:04 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Found this on ubnt forum - can't comment on accuracy.  FYI, we use PathLoss.
>> 
>> https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber/New-AF11FX-Link-Calculator/m-p/1741139#M32848
>> 
>> From: Af  on behalf of SmarterBroadband 
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:17:46 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Well I suppose I could, but hell I don’t want to.. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 2:22 PM
>> To: af 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I think they have that stuff in airlink, but you can always just look up the 
>> spec sheets for all the relevant parts and calculate it manually.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 4:18 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>> 
>> I can use Link Planner to check LOS.  But the 820 in Link Planner will have 
>> very different radio Tx powers and receive sensitivities.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 1:07 PM
>> To: af 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I think airlink,ubnt.com supports 11ghz now, so that can be used to get a 
>> fairly good idea of what it's going to do... also, Mimosa's tool is pretty 
>> nice.
>> 
>> But when you know you have a 

Re: [AFMUG] 450i or alternative

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The new 670 has Point to a Few Points and it woks in that band.  Prolly looking 
at 3x the cost though.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> 450i is a solid product and the water intrusion was a limited bad batch.
> 
> we installed a 4.9Ghz system for our city and it's been a great solution for 
> them (and kept the city out of the unlicensed bands)
> 
> -sean
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 6:15 AM, Lewis Bergman  
>> wrote:
>> I am putting up a link for a library and I originally quoted the 450i about 
>> a year ago. This link goes to a Sheriff's department so could use 4.9G so I 
>> would like the product to at least be capable of that band. GPS sync would 
>> be nice as they have plans for another link in the future.
>> 
>> Is the 450i still having the water penetration issue?
>> Is there a better Cambium product out there at or around the same price 
>> point? Say...no more than double?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

They aren't doing that anymore.  The fiber stuff is now integrated into the 
rest of the show program.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 14, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Layne Sisk  wrote:
> 
> Have you been to fiber weekend for WISPA? 
>  
> Layne Sisk
> ServerPlus
> 801.426.8283, ext 102
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 9:24 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows
>  
> How about Animal Farm - Fiber Edition?
> You know you want to Chuck.
>  
>  
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Sent: 8/14/2017 10:58:33 AM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber Trade Shows
>  
> If I want to get hands-on with some splicers, enclosures , splitters, cables, 
> and what-not; which trade show should I go to?
>  
> NFOC 2017 is very close to me and is next month.  Is it worth the time?
>  

Re: [AFMUG] OT..Marlon Schaefer .. pioneer WISP

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Michael (Bullit) lied again and again about Part 15 being non-profit and some 
other things.  We needed a real trade group.  Rick, Marlon, Scriv, Matt, Tom, 
Bob, (and I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple) started working on Wispa.  It's 
amazing how far we've come!

I have mixed feelings about Mike Anderson...yes, he lied, but he did get all of 
us together at first through the Wispcons. He made the first contacts with the 
FCC.  Can't minimize those things.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 13, 2017, at 3:37 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Didn’t WISPA originally start with a group of part-15 members that were not 
> happy with part-15?
>  
> One of the WISPA guys at a booth in a trade show in Las Vegas told me the 
> story but I forgot it. 
> This had to be about maybe 2004? 
> I remember he was pissed because Michael never gave him that copper part-15 
> medallion. 
>  
> I remember a ton of emails complaining that part-15 was not actually a non 
> profit etc etc. 
>  
> From: Colin Stanners
> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 1:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT..Marlon Schaefer .. pioneer WISP
>  
> I remember that name from the part-15.org / Micheal Anderson days how 
> long has it been, around 10 years already? Is Marlon still in the WISP 
> business?
>  
> On Aug 13, 2017 6:51 AM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:
> We had dinner with Marlon and Melissa Schaefer at La Posta in Mesilla, NM 
> yesterday evening.  They brought their daughter to get settle in at NMSU.  It 
> was nice to touch base with him and get news on old friends from early 
> wireless days.  They have a cool 35 ft mobile home they driving to PHX to 
> visit friends and then Vegas for some R  Yes they loved the real Mexican 
> food , some Tecate and took some Hatch chile.  Mi casa es su casa...
> 
> Jaime Solorza
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Four Mile Link

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Where in the US will it be located?

18 or 11 are your most likely bets.

You could also look at 3.65 or 2.4 PTP.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Eric Rogers  wrote:
> 
> I need a link that is capable of 4.25 miles, and something over 100M.  I fear 
> that 5GHz will be out because of all the used spectrum, but wanted to ask 
> what are my options?
>  
> Eric Rogers
> 
> 
> www.pdsconnect.me
> (317) 831-3000 x200
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Max BW on a 6 GHz 60 Mhz wide channel

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I'd always ask Cambium if they can work up a price based on whatever your 
circumstances might be.  

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 11:48 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> the SAF integra is usually around the same price or a little less than the 
> cambium 820 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 6:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>> Since you mentioned it, I have no clue what the PTPL6820C would cost. 
>> What does the SAF cost?
>>  
>> From: Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 6:36 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Max BW on a 6 GHz 60 Mhz wide channel
>>  
>> SAF integra-gs will do 451mbps in a 60mhz channel.  It'll do 1gbps with 
>> header compression or you can do 2+0 to get 1gbps.
>>  
>> https://www.saftehnika.com/en/integrags
>>  
>> 5 year warranty and it won't break the bank.
>>  
>> -Sean
>>  
>>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:57 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>> Cambium will do almost 500 Mbps.
>>> Anyone else do better?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

First one will look a lot like the Force 180.  List is $299.  Full band, full 
speed.

Second one will look like the Force 200 (scheduled for October).  List is $349 
IIRC.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:03 PM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
> 
> What is the 450b?
> 
> On 7/28/17, 12:55 PM, "Af on behalf of Matt Mangriotis"
> 
> wrote:
> 
> >Joe - I just answered your forum post... but might as well repeat and add
> >to it here too.
> >
> >You guys are right in that the combination of the two factors are what
> >matters to the modulation that the radio will achieve.  You have to be
> >above a certain absolute power level (RSL), but ALSO have enough distance
> >(SNR) above the noise to decipher the bits.  That is, even if you're
> >receiving the intended signal at -55, but have noise at -70, the 15 dB
> >separation (i.e. SNR) isn't enough to allow for 256QAM modulation.
> >
> >Regarding sensitivity levels, the easiest place for me to find these is
> >in the Link Capacity Planner Tool:
> >https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/files/capacityplanner/
> >
> >You can input the radios you're using and it'll spit those out.
> >
> >During final product testing, we've determined that the 450b is
> >equivalent to the 450i SM in these specifications, so until that tool
> >gets updated with official numbers (which may vary slightly), I would use
> >that.
> >
> >Hope this helps,
> >Matt
> >
> >
>  
> 
> Gino A. Villarini
> 
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
> >Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:49 AM
> >To: af@afmug.com
> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications
> >
> >Sure it would.  We have some links reporting a SNR above 32db, enough to
> >get 8x but are weaker than -56 signals.  So both matter.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 28, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Chris Wright  wrote:
> >>
> >> Wouldn't SNR play a bigger role than general signal level? What good is
> >>-67.8dBm if the noise floor is -75dBm?
> >>
> >> Chris Wright
> >> Network Administrator
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Joe Falaschi
> >> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 9:28 AM
> >> To: af@afmug.com
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 450b specifications
> >>
> >> We¹re looking at some questions of why certain links are at certain
> >>modulations (uplink is better than downlink).  It¹s explained by the
> >>spec sheet of the current equipment and RX sensitivity.  Basically the
> >>450M AP can do more with less signal than the CPE can.  Specs below.  In
> >>any case we were then wondering what the new 450b RX sensitivity would
> >>be.  There is a spec sheet on the Cambium website but this isn¹t listed.
> >> Anyone have this information?
> >>
> >> 450M AP RX sensitivity
> >> 1x = - 93.5 dBm
> >> 2x = -88.6 dBm
> >> 4x = -81.5 dBm
> >> 6x = -75.9.0 dBm
> >> 8x = -67.8 dBm
> >>
> >> 450SM RX sensitivity
> >> 1x = -84 dBm
> >> 2x = -80.5 dBm
> >> 4x = -74 dBm
> >> 6x = -66.9 dBm
> >> 8x = -56 dBm
> >>
> >> 450i SM RX sensitivity
> >> 1x = -85.9 dBm
> >> 2x = -81.5 dBm
> >> 4x = -75.8 dBm
> >> 6x = -69.3 dBm
> >> 8x = -61.6 dBm
> >>
> >> Joe Falaschi
> >> e-vergent
> >>
> >
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Not unless you are using it to prospect or look for a job.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 7:06 PM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> Is the premium account worth it?
> 
> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and professional 
>> networking tool.
>> 
>> On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett" > > wrote:
>> 
>>It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>-
>>Mike Hammett
>>Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>
>> 
>>Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>
>> 
>>The Brothers WISP 
>>
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>*From: *"Jay Weekley" >>
>>*To: *af@afmug.com 
>>*Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
>>*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>> 
>>Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
>>don't even know what it's for.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

There is an awful lot of WISP content on Facebook.  Wisp talk  Wisp pics  Wisp 
equipment  Mimosa  Cambium  UBNT  Mikrotik  Netonix ...just to name a few.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 24, 2017, at 7:53 PM,   wrote:
> 
> I use linkedin all the time.  I never use Facebook. 
>  
> Linked in is for boys, FB is for girls. 
>  
> From: Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 5:49 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>  
> There are some very useful targeted usergroups there, responsive members tend 
> to be pretty qualified on the specific group topic. That's the biggest 
> benefit, though some of the people are real fanboy dicks on the group topic, 
> so  theres that.
> Its got a real good resume builder if youre looking to get out of the wisp 
> business.
> the endorsements thing is kind of cool if youre looking for somebody to do 
> some work, but anybody can endorse, so its kind of easily skewed
> for whatever reason, liz creekmore is always sitting in the people you may 
> know page, shes not hard on the eyes, so theres that.
> Its not like facebook where vaguely associated people should be added, I 
> accept any request, but barely add anybody unless there is content I want to 
> view that they post about
> Its a really good place to find professionals for one off outsourced projects 
> without having to go through some outsourcing companies sales glub
>  
>> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Paul Stewart  wrote:
>> I tried Premium for a while and didn't find it useful  I like LinkedIn 
>> though a lot 
>>  
>> If you are job hunting then probably upgrading is worth it for a period of 
>> time 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 8:07 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If you don't know what you'd use it for at all, I would probably shy away 
>>> from paying for it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: "Jay Weekley" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 6:06:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>>> 
>>> Is the premium account worth it?
>>> 
>>> Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>> > I agree 100%. It is by far the best business to business and 
>>> > professional networking tool.
>>> >
>>> > On Jul 24, 2017 6:02 PM, "Mike Hammett" >> > > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > It's certainly more useful in business than any other social media.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -
>>> > Mike Hammett
>>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > The Brothers WISP 
>>> > 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > *From: *"Jay Weekley" >> > >
>>> > *To: *af@afmug.com 
>>> > *Sent: *Monday, July 24, 2017 6:01:04 PM
>>> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT: Linkedin
>>> >
>>> > Is Linkedin actually worth the time and effort to use?   Honestly, I
>>> > don't even know what it's for.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 
>>> >  
>>> > Virus-free. www.avg.com 
>>> > 
>>> >  
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>> 
>>>  
> 
>  

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The way it's structured right now, the 50MHz we are using now, and the top 
30MHz of the CBRS band will all be GA.  The bottom 70MHz of CBRS is set aside 
for PALs.  Currently they are to be auctioned off by census tract for 5 years, 
with one renewal option.  That's what WISPA fought for, and that's what we are 
trying to protect.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that GA availability would be dependant on what's 
> actually in use... so you would still be able to use it in an area where 
> someone holds a PAL, but hasn't actually deployed anything. Of course if the 
> entire 150mhz is auctioned off as PALs, there's always going to be the 
> possibility that the PAL holders are going to come along and turn on some new 
> towers in an area where you have a ton of GA stuff deployed, and the your 
> whole network is suddenly gone... with no realistic way to fix it.
> 
> But yeah, if the PALs are covering an entire PEA, none of us little guys are 
> going to end up with any.
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:30 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> Review: 
>> The previously adopted rules split the 150mhz of the 3.5ghz band into a 
>> general availability (GA) section and a 70mhz wide Priority Access License 
>> (PAL) section.  PAL licenses are to be auctioned per census tract, and have 
>> a 3 year license term.   At the end of 3 years you can renew once, for a 
>> total of 6 years, (After that I believe they go back for another auction, 
>> but I don't recall).  The GA section is administered by an automated 
>> Spectrum Access System (SAS), and any frequencies in your census tract not 
>> used by a PAL are available for GA use.  
>> 
>> CTIA proposal:
>> The CTIA suggests that the PAL license term be 10 years and that they should 
>> have an expectation of being able to renew them.  They also suggest that 
>> licenses be granted for a PEA rather than a census tract. PEA's are gigantic 
>> (https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-759A4.pdf).   Their 
>> justification for the license term of 10 years is that mobile deployments 
>> may not see a return on investment in 3 years.   The justification for 
>> guaranteed renewal is that it will encourage investment in the band.  The 
>> justification for PEA's instead of census tracts it that it's easier for 
>> them.  For all three points they also point out that these changes would be 
>> more consistent with how current licensing works (for them).
>> 
>> T-Mobile proposal:
>> T-Mobile suggests everything the CTIA suggests, but further suggests that 
>> the entire 150mhz become PAL, with GA use only allowed opportunistically 
>> where a PAL has not been granted.  T-Mobile goes on to suggest changes in 
>> the channel selection and bidding process consistent with their proposal of 
>> having the whole band auctioned off, and a few technical points such as less 
>> restrictive OOB emissions rules.   
>> 
>> My take:
>> The expectation under the current rules is that big carriers will bid on 
>> PAL's for census tracts in dense areas where they need more small cell 
>> deployments, but rural tracts will go for a couple hundred dollars each.  If 
>> they get the right to bid on a PAL in an entire PEA, then we won't get any.  
>> They'll bid on our PEA because of the cities contained in our PEA, and we'll 
>> never outbid them.  
>> The CTIA proposal and the T-Mobile proposal are dated just a few days apart, 
>> and T-Mobile is a member of the CTIA.  So I assume they're asking dad for a 
>> Lamborghini so they can settle for the Corvette.
>> 
>> It might be ok ONLY if the GA availability is dependent on where they are 
>> deployed and not simply where they hold a license.  If I can still use the 
>> whole 150mhz in small town USA because big carriers are not going to build 
>> 3.5ghz out in the woods where they already have sufficient spectrum in 
>> 800mhz, 2.5ghz, etc; THEN I'd be happy enough.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>> To: "af" 
>> Sent: 7/21/2017 11:03:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS in trouble
>> 
>>> I didn't read through the whole thing, but from what I got skimming through 
>>> it, it sounds like they basically want PALs to be auctioned for the entire 
>>> 150mhz, instead of the current 70mhz they're limited to, and they want a 
>>> single entity to be allowed to hold more PALs... and some changes to the 
>>> licensing structure to make it a bit more like traditional licenses. It 
>>> probably wouldn't change much in areas out in the middle of nowhere, that 
>>> the big companies don't have much interest in, but in some areas, I would 
>>> imagine you'd end up with the three biggest cell carriers in the area 
>>> snapping up all the PALs, making the entire band 

Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The guy was clearly in property destruction mode...that could have quickly 
changed though.

To your point, if carrying concealed doesn't cause your to change how you look 
at any potential confrontation, then you should not be carrying.  

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 20, 2017, at 1:43 PM,   wrote:
> 
> Gun control is pretty political...
>  
> Packing a weapon gives me options I am not sure I want myself to have. 
>  
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:40 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.
>  
> LOL ! and I believe that is exactly what the Ground Crew did (with making the 
> video).
>  
> And so you are in agreement that :-
> "If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to defend 
> themselves"
>  
> Would not be the better, smarter or wiser way of dealing with such !
>  
> :)
>  
>  
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>  
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:06:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.
> Call cops.
> Duck for cover.
> Administer first aid if you can do so without getting killed.
>  
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:05 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] SOP Outside Crew Protection / Confrontation Mitigation.
>  
> Let's turn this into a productive conversation, with relevance...
>  
> We all have crews working outside... so what should be the SOP for them, 
> under such circumstances ?
> What type of training do we need to provide to assure everyone's safety ?
> What should be the reactions expected from the OSP Crew ?
>  
>  
> Regards.
>  
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>  
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:59:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT bucket trucks
> YES, PLEASE keep this the pleasant WISP business related site that we have 
> re-established.  We all have opinions, but…
> 
>  
> 
> Paul 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 10:40 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT bucket trucks
> 
>  
> 
> Disparity in how cops treat perps based on skin color is very political, like 
> global warming, evolution and the flat earth.
> 
>  
> 
> All of which should be discussed on other forums as they have nothing to do 
> with operating a WISP. 
> 
>  
> 
> We lost Ken Hohof over this kind of thing last fall. 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> 
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:34 AM
> 
> To: af@afmug.com
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT bucket trucks
> 
>  
> 
> one last question...
> 
>  
> 
> >> for this political BS
> 
>  
> 
> Please do tell me how the Hell, what I posted and said is "political"  ?
> 
>  
> 
> Regards.
> 
>  
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
>  
> 
> From: "Dustin Jurman" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 9:03:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Elderly Florida man vs. AT bucket trucks
> 
> That’s just wrong Faisal to perpetuate this on this list.  There were a lot 
> of great things you could have stated here:
> 
>  
> 
> Was AT on the guys property without permission?
> 
> Safety of the guy in the bucket while someone is shooting the tires out.
> 
> Safety of the guy in the bucket while engine/controls get shot out
> 
> How the ground guys handled the situation
> 
> If you allow your crews to pack heat were they in the right to defend 
> themselves
> 
>  
> 
> You get where I’m going but this list has no place for this political BS.  
> The sad part is you sent this to the list.
> 
>  
> 
> Dustin
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 12:18AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elderly Florida man vs. AT bucket trucks
> 
>  
> 
> Welcome to Miami
> 
>  
> 
> http://wsvn.com/news/local/elderly-hialeah-man-shoots-out-tires-of-att-truck-on-property/
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -
> 
> Here is the sad reality
> 
>  
> 
> Since this was an elderly white male, he was arrested..
> 
> If this was a Brown or Black (or a younger) Person most likely would have 
> been shot on sight by the Cops.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] FW: Your message to Ubnt_users awaits moderator approval

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I was dropped of the Members list a few weeks back...don't recall what I might 
have done to tick Trina off...  ;-)

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> I posted today or yesterday for sure with success.
> 
> I occasionally get dropped from a mailing list and have to resub on the 
> website.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> "Post by non-member to a members-only list"
>> 
>> Check your WISPA portal. They think the mailing lists need to be tied to 
>> that, so they get screwed up from time to time.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Rory Conaway" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:43:06 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] FW: Your message to Ubnt_users awaits moderator approval
>> 
>> 
>> This is interesting.  Am I the only one who has to get moderator approval to 
>> post now?
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:40 PM
>> To: Rory Conaway 
>> Subject: Your message to Ubnt_users awaits moderator approval
>> 
>> Your mail to 'Ubnt_users' with the subject
>> 
>> RE: [Ubnt_users] 6.0.6 isn't an upgrade, it's a legal brick
>> 
>> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
>> 
>> The reason it is being held:
>> 
>> Post by non-member to a members-only list
>> 
>> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive 
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Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Heard a rumor or started one?  ;-)

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jul 5, 2017, at 7:29 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Heard a rumor that Apple was wanting to get into the LEO broadband satellite 
> business too.
> 
> You heard it here first.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 7/5/2017 12:09 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:
>> 900 f’n satellites? Jeez, isn’t there some sort of international consortium 
>> that says that’s more than enough?
>>  
>> That’s going to be over 1Tbps capacity network wide?
>>  
>> That should definitely help the digital divide for remote areas.
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Rory Conaway
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:01 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?
>>  
>> None of these guys know what’s about to hit them with Viasat 2 and Viasat 3. 
>>  Other than the latency for gaming and voice, Viasat 2 can hit up to 1Gbps 
>> and it goes live in January.  Viasat 3 will by up by 2019 or 2020 and 
>> several times faster than Viasat 2.
>> 
>> Rory
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 10:47 AM
>> To: Animal Farm 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Iridium 2.0?
>>  
>> Sure...fill up the sky with more stuff, how the hell are my buddies supposed 
>> to navigate through safely?  Lots of people still need to be probed
>> 
>> Jaime Solorza
>>  
>> On Jul 5, 2017 10:21 AM, "Lewis Bergman"  wrote:
>> OneWeb Satellites Preps for Global Broadband Service
>> 
>> OneWeb Satellites cranked up its assembly line last week in Toulouse, France 
>> to begin end-to-end validation, testing, and integration of its first 
>> satellites set for launch in just over nine months. The move comes after the 
>> FCC granted the company authority to access the U.S. market using its 
>> proposed non-geostationary Low Earth Orbit (LEO) satellite constellation. 
>> OneWeb says its satellites will enable carriers and ISPs to offer affordable 
>> broadband access in rural areas.
>> 
>> OneWeb Satellites is a joint venture between OneWeb communications and 
>> Airbus Defense and Space. The Toulouse factory will validate production 
>> methods for a larger factory near the Kennedy Space Center, FL. The company 
>> plans to initially launch 10 satellites, and grow the constellation to 900 
>> satellites to offer high-speed internet with global coverage and bridge the 
>> digital divide by 2027.
>>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Force110 vs Force200

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

What size channel?

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:51 PM, David Coudron <david.coud...@advantenon.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> We have what I believe is a similar need.   We have a number of customers 
> that have large farmyards and want coverage in outbuildings.   These are too 
> far for ethernet runs, so we have been using Ubiquiti Nanostations as PTP 
> links because they are cheap.   I see that the ePMPs get close to the same 
> price point as the larger Nanostations and we are wondering if they are a 
> better option.   Does anyone have experience with both and some perspective 
> which is a better option for PTP links that are less than a mile and need 25 
> -50 Mbps?
> 
> Thanks,
>  
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>  
> Advantenon, Inc.   
> 
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  
> |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 
>  
> 
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 2:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Force110 vs Force200
>  
> I'd use a couple of Force 200s in PTP mode.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am looking for an inexpensive very low bandwidth replacement for a PTP400. 
> I need less than a meg so throughput isn't an issue. I see they are both 
> 5,10,20, and 40 MHz channel widths which is good. I can set it on 5MHz and 
> get more than what I need and hopefully stay out of everyone else's way.
>  
> Unless I am looking at the wrong SKU it looks like the 110 is almost twice as 
> much. Maybe I am not looking at complete kits or something?
>  
> From those that have used them, what do you think?

Re: [AFMUG] Force110 vs Force200

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

You can still get them...Lite ePMP 1000 AP and the dishes.  About $100 more for 
a 4 pack that way, but if you need GPS...

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 4:01 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> The normal Force 110 is probably discontinued, but as far as I know the Force 
> 110 PTP is still being made. 
> 
> The only reason that I'd use a Force 110 PTP instead of a Force 200 would be 
> if I needed to use GPS sync... other than that, the Force 200 is going to be 
> better in pretty much every way.
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>> force 180 is the integrated little guy force 200 is the dished one, 110 I 
>> believe is DC. I use the 200 all the time for ptp, I love them, even though 
>> they add the latency
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Lewis Bergman  
>>> wrote:
>>> I am looking for an inexpensive very low bandwidth replacement for a 
>>> PTP400. I need less than a meg so throughput isn't an issue. I see they are 
>>> both 5,10,20, and 40 MHz channel widths which is good. I can set it on 5MHz 
>>> and get more than what I need and hopefully stay out of everyone else's way.
>>> 
>>> Unless I am looking at the wrong SKU it looks like the 110 is almost twice 
>>> as much. Maybe I am not looking at complete kits or something?
>>> 
>>> From those that have used them, what do you think?
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Force110 vs Force200

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I'd use a couple of Force 200s in PTP mode.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 28, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> I am looking for an inexpensive very low bandwidth replacement for a PTP400. 
> I need less than a meg so throughput isn't an issue. I see they are both 
> 5,10,20, and 40 MHz channel widths which is good. I can set it on 5MHz and 
> get more than what I need and hopefully stay out of everyone else's way.
> 
> Unless I am looking at the wrong SKU it looks like the 110 is almost twice as 
> much. Maybe I am not looking at complete kits or something?
> 
> From those that have used them, what do you think?

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450M: is there any indication of "sub-sector"

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I asked an RTM.  If I get an answer I'll post it.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> I know, but it's pretty close if you set it up carefully.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That tells us what it should be, it doesn't help us with what is.
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> 
>>> On 6/24/2017 7:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>> I don't know the technical answer Bill, but I know that you can get a very 
>>> good idea of the loading using LinkPlanner.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>> 
>>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> It's essential to know if you want to know if you're filling the entire 
>>>> coverage area or not, and if you have a too-high population of subs in any 
>>>> particular area. It would also indicate whether your sector is properly 
>>>> aimed.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6/24/2017 6:50 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>>>> Why would you want to know this information anyway?
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Maybe a different way to say this is which beam? Since subs can be on 
>>>>>> any o 7 "beams", it would be nice to know which subscriber is on which 
>>>>>> beam. Well, not exactly nice; more of a necessity. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If we can't see it now, perhaps it's on the roadmap?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -bp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> I thought I had read somewhere about a way to determine which subsector 
>>>>>>> a subscriber is in, but now I can't find it. Maybe I was dreaming or 
>>>>>>> something?
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450M: is there any indication of "sub-sector"

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I know, but it's pretty close if you set it up carefully.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That tells us what it should be, it doesn't help us with what is.
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
>> On 6/24/2017 7:04 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>> I don't know the technical answer Bill, but I know that you can get a very 
>> good idea of the loading using LinkPlanner.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>> 
>> On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It's essential to know if you want to know if you're filling the entire 
>>> coverage area or not, and if you have a too-high population of subs in any 
>>> particular area. It would also indicate whether your sector is properly 
>>> aimed.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>> 
>>>> On 6/24/2017 6:50 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>>> Why would you want to know this information anyway?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Maybe a different way to say this is which beam? Since subs can be on any 
>>>>> o 7 "beams", it would be nice to know which subscriber is on which beam. 
>>>>> Well, not exactly nice; more of a necessity.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> If we can't see it now, perhaps it's on the roadmap?
>>>>> 
>>>>> -bp
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I thought I had read somewhere about a way to determine which subsector 
>>>>>> a subscriber is in, but now I can't find it. Maybe I was dreaming or 
>>>>>> something?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> --
>>>>> bp
>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450M: is there any indication of "sub-sector"

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I don't know the technical answer Bill, but I know that you can get a very good 
idea of the loading using LinkPlanner.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 10:00 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> It's essential to know if you want to know if you're filling the entire 
> coverage area or not, and if you have a too-high population of subs in any 
> particular area. It would also indicate whether your sector is properly aimed.
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 6/24/2017 6:50 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> Why would you want to know this information anyway?
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 7:29 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> Maybe a different way to say this is which beam? Since subs can be on any o 
>>> 7 "beams", it would be nice to know which subscriber is on which beam. 
>>> Well, not exactly nice; more of a necessity. 
>>> 
>>> If we can't see it now, perhaps it's on the roadmap?
>>> 
>>> -bp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
 I thought I had read somewhere about a way to determine which subsector a 
 subscriber is in, but now I can't find it. Maybe I was dreaming or 
 something?
 --
 bp
 part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> --
>>> bp
>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] PTP450 900MHz Necessary Hardware?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

For a PTP link?

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Christopher Gray  
> wrote:
> 
> To setup a PTP450 900 MHz link, is there anything I need other than 2x 
> radios, 2x antennas and power to run a link?
> 
> Do they come with GPS receivers like ePMP does, or do they need a separate 
> device?
> 
> Thank you - Chris

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

List on the integrated will be $299.  List on the one with the dish will be 
$349.  Standard discounts apply.

The integrated version won't work with a reflector dish.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> they can't un-cap the existing SM's because that wouldn't be fair to the 
> people that paid for the upgrade keys it is going to be really 
> interesting to see how they price the new 180/200 style 450 radio. If they 
> make it too cheap then why would anyone buy the old style SM's anymore? A 450 
> 5Ghz un-capped SM WISP price is $359.20. Personally in my opinion it needs to 
> be about $300'ish, but that will put it cheaper than the existing un-capped 
> 450. And $400.00 is too much because that's approaching 450i pricing which is 
> much more rugged hardware. Sounds like they may have to lower the price of 
> the existing product line, (un-likely). That would be a problem because there 
> are a lot of WISPS with contract pricing for future SM purchases that will be 
> pissed if the new SM is cheaper than what the already committed to. I really 
> don't know, sounds like someone is going to have to make some hard decisions 
> on how they price this stuff.
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 2:51 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Free license keys? Yeah, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> The 450d is a standard 5GHz 450 SM board, internal patch antenna and all, 
>> which simply feeds the horn/sub-reflector assembly.
>> 
>> The new wideband 5GHz SMs as noted will do 4940-5925. Uncapped. Uses the 
>> 450i SoC architecture. GigE. 30VDC passive POE and is polarity agnostic like 
>> the Force180's and 200's.
>> 
>> 450b is Force180 style. I forget what the Force200 style 450 will be 
>> called.
>> 
>>> On 6/9/2017 1:37 PM, Ryan Ray wrote:
>>> So does this mean Cambium is going to release license keys to uncap all the 
>>> existing expensive ridiculous costing 450d? What's the difference between a 
>>> 450d and 450b?
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey Kurt,
>>>> 
>>>> The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated 
>>>> units that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the 
>>>> Force 200 are supposed to be available in October.
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the 450 
>>>>> (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down to 
>>>>> 5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen 
>>>>> by end of 1st quarter this year.
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] new Cambium 450 CPE's

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Hey Kurt,

The first of the 450b units will hit in July.  Those are the integrated units 
that are built like the Force 180.  The ones that are similar to the Force 200 
are supposed to be available in October.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jun 9, 2017, at 2:00 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know when cambium will be releasing the new CPE's for the 450 
> (5ghz) that have the unlimited throuput and will work all the way down to 
> 5.1ghz at the $300-$350 price range? I thought it was supposed to happen by 
> end of 1st quarter this year.

Re: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Happy Birthday Faisal!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 31, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:
> 
> Care to share on-list or off-list as to what is the core reason why you are 
> looking for such ? 
> 
> i.e.  a regulatory issue ?  A Technical Issue ? or a perceived convenience 
> issue ? 
> 
> We can easily provide you with such a service, but depending on the core 
> issue you are trying to solve it may or may not be a good working arrangement.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:44:36 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] VOIP Providers
> I need a wholesale voip provider to serve my ILEC territory in Utah.  I would 
> port my local 801-789 numbers to the VOIP provider. 
>  
> We need unlimited LD and solid 911.  Would prefer someone local. 
>  
> So, before I give XMission a call I thought I would put this out there. 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

But, if you are going to need the spectrum over time, it's an inexpensive way 
to lock it up.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 26, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> The lack of spectrum efficiency with the licensed bands is my biggest beef 
> with the inexpensive licensed links on the market by Ubiquiti and Mimosa.   
> Yes they transfer a lot of data, but they do it by using very large amounts 
> of scarce spectrum in both H channels.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2017, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>> *sigh* I hate the FCC's web site.
>> 
>> No, their site just sucks. Look up Test Report 1 for SWX-AF11
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Nate Burke" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:56:31 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>> Do you have to have some sort of Login for that?  I just return a plain 'You 
>> are not authorized to access this page.' when following the link.
>> 
>> On 5/26/2017 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett   wrote:
>> https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3152229
>> 
>> Page 60
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:20:42 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF11 Experiences
>> 
>> My theory is that the AF11FX "40 MHz" channel used in the previous example I 
>> posted is actually something like 33 or 34 MHz wide if you look at it on a 
>> $15,000 bench test spectrum analyzer.
>> 
>>> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>> It is significantly worse... Look at the spec sheets. Our old SAF Lumina 
>>> can do 366mbps in a single polarity 256qam 56mhz channel... an AF11 doesn't 
>>> even match that running at 1024qam - it will theoretically do somewhere 
>>> around 340mbps at 1024qam and somewhere around 275mbps at 256qam.
>>> 
 On May 25, 2017 9:06 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
 If all you can get on a particular path is a theoretical single 40 MHz 
 wide FDD channel pair, one polarity, I don't see how the 1024QAM bps/Hz 
 efficiency would be significantly worse than a competing single polarity 
 product (SAF Integra, etc) running in the same channel size. Unless you 
 are counting more expensive competing products that advertise header 
 compression and very different Mbps rates for 64-byte vs much larger 
 packet sizes.
 
 It's very cost effective so I will forgive it many things, my main problem 
 is that it can't actually use near the full width of an 80 MHz channel. 
 
 On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:26 PM, George Skorup  
 wrote:
> Yeah. Cost is one thing, but if all you can get is a single polarity on a 
> particular path, the AF11 is probably one of the last things I'd look at. 
> Congestion is a problem around here.
> 
> 
>> On 5/25/2017 8:21 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>>> On 5/25/17 18:12, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> 
>>> We're running the full 56mhz/MIMO... I haven't been able to get them to 
>>> run at 1024qam yet (antennas still need to be fine tuned, it wasn't 
>>> ideal weather conditions when we put them up, so I'm hoping we'll be 
>>> able to get a bit more out them), so they're only at around 550Mbps 
>>> capacity (and I've verified the link will do around 500Mbps with real 
>>> traffic).
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Only 500 meg with two channels? Crap, I have an old Exalt that can do 
>> that with only one channel at 256QAM.
> 
 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Baseball

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

"Infield fly rule.  Batter's out"

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 20, 2017, at 12:49 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe I have just never noticed them calling anything.  Watching the ball 
> etc.  What do they say?  “Catchable”?
>  
> From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 10:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Baseball
>  
> Yup.  A decent ump calls it while it's still in the air.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
>> On May 20, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
>> 
>> LOL, they probably wanted to use that excuse but 50 year old guys playing 
>> night games with sketchy eyesight means it’s a 50/50 chance the ball gets 
>> caught.  In this case, umm, no.  But that is what the infield fly rule is 
>> designed to prevent.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:01 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Baseball
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So on the Wednesday night play, did the defense not catch it on purpose?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Rory Conaway
>> 
>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:57 AM
>> 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Baseball
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I still play baseball in an old mans little league in Phoenix and yes, it’s 
>> called all the time.  Statistically, you just don’t see a lot of infield fly 
>> balls in the majors because they can hit it 400’.  Hang around our league 
>> and it’s pretty common because we can’t.  Had one called Wednesday night in 
>> fact.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
>> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 8:26 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Baseball
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Has anyone ever actually seen an umpire call the infield fly rule?  I was 
>> just discussing it with my wife and I realized I have never seen it that I 
>> can remember. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I don’t watch a lot of baseball, but like a drop kick in football, I have 
>> never seen one one of those either. 
>> 
>> So now caught in the depths of youtube hell watching NFL trick plays.  Nice 
>> way to enjoy a Saturday morning. 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Baseball

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Yup.  A decent ump calls it while it's still in the air.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 20, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> LOL, they probably wanted to use that excuse but 50 year old guys playing 
> night games with sketchy eyesight means it’s a 50/50 chance the ball gets 
> caught.  In this case, umm, no.  But that is what the infield fly rule is 
> designed to prevent.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:01 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Baseball
>  
> So on the Wednesday night play, did the defense not catch it on purpose?
>  
> From: Rory Conaway
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 9:57 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Baseball
>  
> I still play baseball in an old mans little league in Phoenix and yes, it’s 
> called all the time.  Statistically, you just don’t see a lot of infield fly 
> balls in the majors because they can hit it 400’.  Hang around our league and 
> it’s pretty common because we can’t.  Had one called Wednesday night in fact.
>  
> Rory
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 8:26 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Baseball
>  
> Has anyone ever actually seen an umpire call the infield fly rule?  I was 
> just discussing it with my wife and I realized I have never seen it that I 
> can remember. 
>  
> I don’t watch a lot of baseball, but like a drop kick in football, I have 
> never seen one one of those either. 
> So now caught in the depths of youtube hell watching NFL trick plays.  Nice 
> way to enjoy a Saturday morning. 

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 license.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Um...legal...

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 19, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> There is some legs work included in the number I provided.  YMMV
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
>> On May 19, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Sold mine for $500
>> 
>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 9:58 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Rick Harnish has a small secondary market for them.  Will run $3K or so 
>>> overall.  He's helped a few of my customers.
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>> 
>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> What options exist right now for getting a license to use 3.65 gear? For 
>>>> example if we wanted to try out some of the LTE gear available.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Brandon
>>>> 
>>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 license.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

There is some legs work included in the number I provided.  YMMV

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 19, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sold mine for $500
> 
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 9:58 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
>> wrote:
>> Rick Harnish has a small secondary market for them.  Will run $3K or so 
>> overall.  He's helped a few of my customers.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>> 
>>> On May 19, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Brandon Yuchasz <li...@gogebicrange.net> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> What options exist right now for getting a license to use 3.65 gear? For 
>>> example if we wanted to try out some of the LTE gear available.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
>>> Thanks Brandon
>>> 
>>>  

Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 license.

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Rick Harnish has a small secondary market for them.  Will run $3K or so 
overall.  He's helped a few of my customers.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 19, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Brandon Yuchasz  wrote:
> 
> What options exist right now for getting a license to use 3.65 gear? For 
> example if we wanted to try out some of the LTE gear available.
>  
> Thanks Brandon
>  

Re: [AFMUG] owner vs employee staff valuation

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Someone has to be responsible for the whole network, current and future.  Not 
sure you can really contract that out.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 11, 2017, at 2:15 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I'm very curious, primarily from owners with admin staff about staff 
> valuation. I'm a pretty critical guy here, I think a lot of that is due to 
> the fact I don't spread my role freely. I'm the admin, , that's pretty 
> straight forward. I'm the tier 3, or two, whichever you assign to tech 
> support that actually solves problems or initiates disconnects that cant be 
> resoled vi a call one.
> 
> We also do network support, I only really generate 5-20 billable hours on 
> that. Not to be cocky, but a lot of those limited 5-20 is my efficiency... 
> I'm really good at my job.
> 
> 
> Last year I recommended dropping one of our techs, which freed up a ton of 
> dough, gave us the option to go to serverplus. the frees uo a substantial 
> amount of my tier 2/3 time (their tier1 is much more inclusive than ours,
> 
> We brought in a contractor on our ISP side to handle the BGP followed by IP6 
> adoption.
> 
> Their continued support for the transit component of our network is not a 
> terrible cost
> 
> What I have found is my cost to the company is substantially higher than a 
> recurring contract with them.
> 
> Essentially, we offset the whole of the transit on our network and more with 
> the ditching 0f the tech
> 
> That leaves me with pretty much posting to afmug for advice on new stuff.
> 
> We have "reliable" outsource site/tower guys
> 
> As an administrator, I genuinely think I found a route to replace myself with 
> a substantial savings, with the exception of new product/technology 
> exploration. a pretty good discount. Installers are just s cost, if we need 
> more, we get more, like fish.
> 
> Assuming you guys have a guy for everything other than going to Afmug to get 
> advice, how much is the afmug guy worth. ( I use the list just for example) 
> 
> I know I'm not the first guy who found what on its face to be a highly cost 
> effective solution to replace their "network guy" and found a flaw
> 
> whats the flaw?
> 

Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Yup, they were up front about it.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 6, 2017, at 8:42 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> I didn't know they made a new one until earlier this morning. I was just 
> stating that Cambium stated the first one wasn't reuse capable. It wasn't a 
> defect or hidden.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 7:35:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector
> 
> There were two different integrated 5GHz 450i radios Mike.  The first one 
> didn't allow for frequency reuse.  It was quickly superseded by one that has 
> that capability and is a terrific system.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
> On May 6, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> As I understand it, they told people you couldn't use frequency reuse on the 
> integrated product.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 10:54:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector
> 
> do I read this correct, cambium shipped a product that didn't meet their own 
> spec?
> are they making right, as in shipping replacements at no cost?
> not being a dick, their reuse has always been phenomenal, even though they to 
> this day refuse to admit the Motorola 320 doesn't sync for ABAB
> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 4:00 PM, George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Slide didn't come though. Picture the new ePMP 2000 sector antenna with a 
>> 450i AP turned backwards and mounted directly on the back of the sector. 
>> It's hawt. I want 3GHz too, Matt!
>> 
>> On 5/5/2017 9:42 AM, Matt Mangriotis   wrote:
>> I want to make sure everyone has the correct information on this topic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Darin - It was true that when it was first launched, and we had the 90 
>> degree Mars sector antenna, the front-to-back of that antenna was not good 
>> enough to do frequency re-use.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> However, the current shipping integrated Access Points (part numbers 
>> ending in “B”, e.g. C050045A006B) have a Cambium Networks-designed 
>> antenna attached (more like a standard tall and narrow sector, rather than a 
>> 14” square flat panel).  This antenna was built with frequency re-use in 
>> mind, and is optimized for use with the 450i platform.  It is a true 90 
>> degree sector, and eliminates the need for jumper cables as George mentions.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have attached a slide highlighting this (if it comes through).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:03 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good enough for 
>> gps sync according to cambium.
>> 
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup <george.sko...@cbcast.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
>> 5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
>> pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
>> redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity. Really
>> trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
>> really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
>> another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll probably
>> just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No coaxes
>> to worry about with that.
>> 
>> On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > Yes.
>> > But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
>> > Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: George Skorup
>> > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
>> > To: af

Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

There were two different integrated 5GHz 450i radios Mike.  The first one 
didn't allow for frequency reuse.  It was quickly superseded by one that has 
that capability and is a terrific system.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 6, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> As I understand it, they told people you couldn't use frequency reuse on the 
> integrated product.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Steve Jones" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 10:54:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators - Integrated 450i Sector
> 
> do I read this correct, cambium shipped a product that didn't meet their own 
> spec?
> are they making right, as in shipping replacements at no cost?
> not being a dick, their reuse has always been phenomenal, even though they to 
> this day refuse to admit the Motorola 320 doesn't sync for ABAB
> 
> 
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 4:00 PM, George Skorup  
>> wrote:
>> Slide didn't come though. Picture the new ePMP 2000 sector antenna with a 
>> 450i AP turned backwards and mounted directly on the back of the sector. 
>> It's hawt. I want 3GHz too, Matt!
>> 
>> On 5/5/2017 9:42 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>> I want to make sure everyone has the correct information on this topic.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Darin - It was true that when it was first launched, and we had the 90 
>> degree Mars sector antenna, the front-to-back of that antenna was not good 
>> enough to do frequency re-use.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> However, the current shipping integrated Access Points (part numbers ending 
>> in “B”, e.g. C050045A006B) have a Cambium Networks-designed antenna attached 
>> (more like a standard tall and narrow sector, rather than a 14” square flat 
>> panel).  This antenna was built with frequency re-use in mind, and is 
>> optimized for use with the 450i platform.  It is a true 90 degree sector, 
>> and eliminates the need for jumper cables as George mentions.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have attached a slide highlighting this (if it comes through).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Darin Steffl
>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:03 AM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Be careful with the integrated 450i though as the FTB isn't good enough for 
>> gps sync according to cambium.
>> 
>> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 3:00 AM George Skorup  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Accuracy. Known-good connectorized SMs to verify multiple APs in 3 and
>> 5GHz. Coaxes and attenuators only. I've used antennas and bare SMs
>> pointed up at the ceiling and it's just not reliable. We ended up
>> redeploying an old AP that apparently has bad Tx on one polarity. Really
>> trying to cut down on the BS and multiple tower climbs. Also getting
>> really sick of weather-seals leaking for no apparent reason. Which is
>> another reason I'm not so mad about the 450AP going away. We'll probably
>> just start using that fancy new 450i integrated 90 over time. No coaxes
>> to worry about with that.
>> 
>> On 5/4/2017 7:23 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > Yes.
>> > But is there a reason you don't want to use the paper clip trick?
>> > Single piece of wire quarter wavelength is all  you need.
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: George Skorup
>> > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 5:54 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>> >
>> > So... I'm having bad luck finding 60dB attenuators in DC-6GHz or
>> > greater. I found some 50's, but they're only 4GHz. WTF.
>> >
>> > Stupid question. Can I stack 30's to get 60? I see lots of N to N in
>> > 30dB on Amazon. Up to 1W mostly. Looks like for cellular amp/repeater
>> > type stuff. So I assume they won't have a problem with bi-directional Tx.
>> >
>> > On 5/4/2017 5:33 PM, Matt Mangriotis wrote:
>> >> 60 dB pads are what we typically use internally...
>> >>
>> >> Matt
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:31 PM
>> >> To: af@afmug.com
>> >> Subject: [AFMUG] RF attenuators
>> >>
>> >> I need to RF test some 450 APs with connectorized SMs. What's a good
>> >> option for N to N attenuators? I'm thinking I want like 60dB so
>> >> there's no chance of the SM overloading the AP Rx (because SM Tx
>> >> power control doesn't kick in for a few minutes).
>> >
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Darin Steffl
>> 
>> Minnesota WiFi
>> 
>> www.mnwifi.com
>> 
>> 507-634-WiFi
>> 
>>  Like us on Facebook
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 450 AP discontinued?

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

And about twice the speed.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On May 2, 2017, at 8:17 AM, David Milholen  wrote:
> 
> The APs are backward compat for 450
> 
>> On 5/1/2017 12:01 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>> FYI, I heard today that the regular 450 APs are no longer available, at 
>> least in 5GHz. So be prepared. We lost some 450 and 450i APs over the nice 
>> stormy weekend. I hate my life. 
> 
> -- 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Preseem

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I have the CEO's contact info if it will help.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 19, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Mitch Koep  wrote:
> 
> It's these guys
> 
> https://www.aterlo.com/
> Could not get them to call me back a year ago
> 
> Mitch Koep
> 
> 218-851-8689 cell
> 
>> On 04/19/2017 11:37 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> Has anyone used this?  I've been getting emails from them.
>> 
>> www.preseem.com
> 
> -- 
> Mitch Koep
> 
> A Better Wireless
> 218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tecate

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

My rankings:

1. Dos XX
2.  Modelo Especial
3.  Tecate

From my visits to Mexican Village in Detroit and later trips to Mexico. :-)

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 17, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Jon Paul Kelley  wrote:
> 
> Tecate is what I drank when I went to Taos on vacation, during Spring Break. 
> Good stuff. Had to add it to my beer rotation.
>  
>  
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 4:41 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tecate
>  
> Not a craft beer drinker...I have tried a few places in Temecula, Flagstaff, 
> Santa Fe, etcI like lagers and some pilsners ..Tecate is my favorite with 
> Modelo Especial and Dos XX..I also like Victoria, Pacifico and Carta 
> Blanca...I drank Fosters and Heineken for a while... But went back to 
> Tecate...We had an awesome cookout yesterday with Tecate and Miller 
> Tecate gone...Salud...
>  
> On Apr 17, 2017 3:29 PM, "Jeremy"  wrote:
> LMAO +1
>  
> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> I was at the grocery store and I saw a 6-pack of Tecate in their beer cooler 
> nestled in among all the imports and craft brews.
>  
> Since Jamie is always talking about it I thought I should try some.  
>  
> Jamie:  This is not particularly good beer.  I'd put it somewhere in the 
> vicinity of Miller High Life.
> I guess I don't know how long it's been on the shelf, maybe it's not at the 
> peak of freshness.
>  
>  

Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Yes, you can get 60MHz channels in 6GHz.  I was referring to 7 and 13.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 15, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
> 
> 30 MHz, I think? I think one of the 6 GHz ones is still 30 MHz with the other 
> being 60?
> 
> My memory could be faulty.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 2:02:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??
> 
> And the channel sizes are very small.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
> On Apr 15, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
> 
> 7&13 are not available in many areas.
> 6 is used up in many places
>  
> From: Mitch Koep
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:31 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??
>  
> 6 and 7
> 
> 11
> 
> 13
> 
> 18
> 
> 23
> 
> https://www.intelpath.com/
> 
> Mitch Koep
> 
> 218-851-8689 cell
> 
>  
> 
> 
> On 04/14/2017 09:46 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
> Awesome!  Are there any other bands besides 11ghz and 18ghz??
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> -Sean
>  
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:17 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, 18 GHz has supported 80 MHz wide channels for a long time. This is how 
>> the Exalt ExtremeAir 18 accomplishes 1 Gbps full duplex FDD in both 
>> polarities between two radio units (H) using 256QAM 5/6 in each polarity. 
>> Single data payload ethernet interface on each side. Others on the list can 
>> correct me if I'm wrong but it was the first real 1 Gbps transparent bridge 
>> (not sub-1Gbps something, or 1Gbps with header/payload compression) and 
>> started shipping in early 2012.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>  
>>> Which FCC part 101 bands support 80mhz channel sizes besides 11ghz??  Does 
>>> 18ghz support 80mhz channels??
>>>  
>>> Thanks!
>>>  
>>> -Sean
>> 
>>  
> 
> -- 
> Mitch Koep
> 
> A Better Wireless
> 218-851-8689 cell
> 

Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

And the channel sizes are very small.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 15, 2017, at 2:48 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> 7&13 are not available in many areas.
> 6 is used up in many places
>  
> From: Mitch Koep
> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:31 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??
>  
> 6 and 7
> 
> 11
> 
> 13
> 
> 18
> 
> 23
> 
> https://www.intelpath.com/
> 
> Mitch Koep
> 
> 218-851-8689 cell
> 
>  
> 
> 
>> On 04/14/2017 09:46 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>> Awesome!  Are there any other bands besides 11ghz and 18ghz??
>>  
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> -Sean
>>  
>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:17 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>> Yes, 18 GHz has supported 80 MHz wide channels for a long time. This is how 
>>> the Exalt ExtremeAir 18 accomplishes 1 Gbps full duplex FDD in both 
>>> polarities between two radio units (H) using 256QAM 5/6 in each polarity. 
>>> Single data payload ethernet interface on each side. Others on the list can 
>>> correct me if I'm wrong but it was the first real 1 Gbps transparent bridge 
>>> (not sub-1Gbps something, or 1Gbps with header/payload compression) and 
>>> started shipping in early 2012.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
 On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
 Hello all,
  
 Which FCC part 101 bands support 80mhz channel sizes besides 11ghz??  Does 
 18ghz support 80mhz channels??
  
 Thanks!
  
 -Sean
>>> 
>>>  
> 
> -- 
> Mitch Koep
> 
> A Better Wireless
> 218-851-8689 cell

Re: [AFMUG] FCC part 101 80mhz channel size??

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

No.  Max in 6GHz is 60MHz.  Max in 23GHz is 50MHz.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 14, 2017, at 10:46 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> Awesome!  Are there any other bands besides 11ghz and 18ghz??
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -Sean
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:17 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>> Yes, 18 GHz has supported 80 MHz wide channels for a long time. This is how 
>> the Exalt ExtremeAir 18 accomplishes 1 Gbps full duplex FDD in both 
>> polarities between two radio units (H) using 256QAM 5/6 in each polarity. 
>> Single data payload ethernet interface on each side. Others on the list can 
>> correct me if I'm wrong but it was the first real 1 Gbps transparent bridge 
>> (not sub-1Gbps something, or 1Gbps with header/payload compression) and 
>> started shipping in early 2012.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> Which FCC part 101 bands support 80mhz channel sizes besides 11ghz??  Does 
>>> 18ghz support 80mhz channels??
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> -Sean 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

That's dead on if it's a dual channel system.  A bit high if it's a single 
channel.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 4:19 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> I always used a rule of thumb of $2K per system. 
>  
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 2:15 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost
>  
> FCC Fee is $495 / site  (that is if it is a new site location for you).
> Modification fee is $260/site  (that is if that site already has an licensed 
> link location for you).
>  
> Coordination fees are $600 - $1000
> Liz @ Intellipath is our go to person for this stuff.
> I know there are others who do a great job as well.
>  
> and the FCC FEE is on a per site location basis, the channel size is 
> irrelevant ... 
>  
> (The only exception to the above pricing is E-Band stuff).
>  
> :)
>  
>  
>  
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>  
> From: "Mathew Howard" 
> To: "af" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 3:37:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost
> Nevermind... I just dug up an invoice... $495 per site, so $990 for both.
>  
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> I thought the FCC fee was something like $990 per site, for a new site...
>> 
>> Coordination will probably be between $600 and $1000, depending on exactly 
>> what you're doing and who you get to do it.
>>  
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Josh Luthman  
>> wrote:
>>> It's done per site.
>>> If it's modifying the site, I think it's 260.  If there's nothing on it and 
>>> you're adding new, 520.
>>>  
>>> Worst case both sites are new making the cost about 1040
>>>  
>>> You also need to pay for a frequency, Liz does for pretty much everyone 
>>> here https://www.intelpath.com/
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>>  wrote:
 I'm looking at getting my first 11 GHz link and wondering if anyone can 
 share the approximate cost of licensing the link? I'm looking for total 
 cost minus hardware including hidden costs that I might not expect.
 
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
>> 
>>  
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Per Liz, it's now $550 per new site and $300 to modify an existing site.  If 
you are terminating more than one link per site, it's just a single fee/site.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 4:14 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah, probably that was from a B11 link we did last year (I'm guessing Josh 
> is right with $520). Our last B11 link came in at just under $2k for 
> licensing and coordination. 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 3:10 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
>> wrote:
>> The FCC just raised the prices.  I don't think that's the current price, but 
>> I don't have it in front of me.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nevermind... I just dug up an invoice... $495 per site, so $990 for both.
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I thought the FCC fee was something like $990 per site, for a new site...
>>>> 
>>>> Coordination will probably be between $600 and $1000, depending on exactly 
>>>> what you're doing and who you get to do it.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Josh Luthman 
>>>>> <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>>> It's done per site.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If it's modifying the site, I think it's 260.  If there's nothing on it 
>>>>> and you're adding new, 520.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Worst case both sites are new making the cost about 1040
>>>>> 
>>>>> You also need to pay for a frequency, Liz does for pretty much everyone 
>>>>> here https://www.intelpath.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>>> Suite 1337
>>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
>>>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I'm looking at getting my first 11 GHz link and wondering if anyone can 
>>>>>> share the approximate cost of licensing the link? I'm looking for total 
>>>>>> cost minus hardware including hidden costs that I might not expect.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Brett A Mansfield
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The FCC just raised the prices.  I don't think that's the current price, but I 
don't have it in front of me.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 3:37 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Nevermind... I just dug up an invoice... $495 per site, so $990 for both.
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:36 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
>> I thought the FCC fee was something like $990 per site, for a new site...
>> 
>> Coordination will probably be between $600 and $1000, depending on exactly 
>> what you're doing and who you get to do it.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Josh Luthman  
>>> wrote:
>>> It's done per site.
>>> 
>>> If it's modifying the site, I think it's 260.  If there's nothing on it and 
>>> you're adding new, 520.
>>> 
>>> Worst case both sites are new making the cost about 1040
>>> 
>>> You also need to pay for a frequency, Liz does for pretty much everyone 
>>> here https://www.intelpath.com/
>>> 
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> 
 On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 3:28 PM, Brett A Mansfield 
  wrote:
 I'm looking at getting my first 11 GHz link and wondering if anyone can 
 share the approximate cost of licensing the link? I'm looking for total 
 cost minus hardware including hidden costs that I might not expect.
 
 Thank you,
 Brett A Mansfield
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz license cost

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Are you talking FCC fees, coordination costs, or both?

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Brett A Mansfield  
> wrote:
> 
> I'm looking at getting my first 11 GHz link and wondering if anyone can share 
> the approximate cost of licensing the link? I'm looking for total cost minus 
> hardware including hidden costs that I might not expect.
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] mimosa

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Kinda depends on your objective Lewis.  The lower priced gear is great if you 
don't need big bandwidth today, but you need to lock up a couple of 80MHz 
channels for the future.  The spectrum is the really big deal at this point.  

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Apr 13, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:
> 
> Everyone's financial position is different but I wouldn't consider either the 
> AF11 or B11. For my money neither of them does enough. Put something big up 
> there you won't have to think about for a couple years.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017, 6:48 AM can...@believewireless.net 
>>  wrote:
>> I prefer the AF11 to the B11 and am thinking of replacing the B11 with the 
>> AF11 as well.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 7:37 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>>> The web site will send your information over to Liz, though, IIRC.
>>> 
>> 
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>>> To: "af" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 11:50:31 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] mimosa
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The website does not handle FCC stuff... you still have to go through a 
>>> coordinator, same as any other 11ghz link.
>>> 
>>> They work, and they get a ton of throughput for cheap, but don't expect 
>>> them to work like a SAF. Between the two, I think I actually prefer the 
>>> AF11... they can't quite match the speed of the B11, but they behave more 
>>> like a normal licensed radio than the B11... they just lack an SFP port and 
>>> 80mhz channels.
>> 
 On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:41 PM, Steve Jones  
 wrote:
>> 
 we are looking to drop some dough on these guys if the sales pitch is true
 
 does the website handle the FCC stuff? I personally find that hard to 
 believe, considering the FCC itself has a fee, unless the reseller 
 (unnamed) is building it into the price. Still less than SAF
 Im not looking to move away from SAF, my only complaint with SAF is that 
 it works too well, so much that I altered routing the other day before I 
 realized the winds a while back turned the 800 plus pound ballast NPM and 
 the signal drop wasnt weather fade and that up until essentially nothing 
 the beast runs at full modulation
 
 Literally, the only reason for looking at mimosa is the low cost, and 
 comparing the low cost of mimosa to SAF, its alot, considering SAF is 
 relatively cheap.
 
 from what Ive seen, mimosa is like running mikrotik routers, you pay a 
 shit ton less in exchange for a little more poking, not constant diddling, 
 just occasional poking.
 
 I have no interest in looking at ubnt noisy crickets on our licensed gear, 
 but mimosa seems promising
 
 I need a good teeth kick now before we commit to at least 3 links locked 
 into this gear
 
 SAF presales engineering is on the cautious side, a good example is our 
 first licensed link, our partner told us could be done with cambium at 2 
 foot antennas on each side
 
 the reseller told use with SAF it required a 3 and a 4, and that (without 
 saying it) our partner was smoking crack cocain after they took bath 
 salts. I have no doubt at 2 foot the link would have come up, but not to a 
 degree that a 30 db drop caused by a turned NPM would still result in full 
 modulation until failure,
 
 I dont want to have an "It will link" solution at the end of the day
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] PMP450i 3.65ghz availability

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Available and in stock!

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 2:46 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know when the 450i version of the 3.65Ghz APs will be available?

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

On this list, we should probably change the OT acronym to "On Topic!"

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Feb 27, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
> 
> Bleak is good.  Drive that sucker back down to $100 please. 
>  
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2017 10:54 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA
>  
> The news I read this morning did not sound that great. At the moment, the hot 
> sales are in trucks and SUVs (small and large). Small economy-oriented cars 
> not so much. So the word is that Tesla will get a bump for the early sales of 
> the Model 3, but it looks bleak after that.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/27/2017 9:49 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Would someone please make up some bad fake news about Tesla.
>> http://www.streetinsider.com/images/ckuploads/img/2017/02/27/Capture.JPG
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz licensed

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I'd have to run the numbers, but it would get you a lot closer than a 40MHz 
channel.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 8:46 AM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> 
> How would you do 500meg on a single 60MHZ channel in 6ghz ?
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" <jeffl...@att.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:05:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz licensed
> Did you check and see if there is a 60MHz channel available in 6GHz Rory?
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
> 
> On Feb 15, 2017, at 1:39 AM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote:
> 
> Will the Cambium 820 support that?
> 
> Rory
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:25 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz licensed
> 
> IIRC, there are 10 channel pairs on the 40MHz channel plan for 18GHz. 
> You could always do 2+0 if there are two channels available on your proposed 
> path.
> 
> On 2/15/2017 12:06 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
> 12 miles.  Needs 4' dishes minimum but I didn't ask about both polarities.  
> Thanks.
> 
> Rory
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:05 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz licensed
> 
> Hmm Xpic if you can get 40mhz on H and V. are you trying to make this 
> go
> 30 miles though...
> 
> 
> On 2/14/2017 10:17 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
> I have a link where only 40MHz is available.  What would my best 
> option be to get more than 500Mbps out of it?  2048QAM is limited to 347Mbps.
> 
> 
> 
> *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO*
> 
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
> 
> *602-426-0542*
> 
> *r...@triadwireless.net <mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>*
> 
> *www.triadwireless.net <http://www.triadwireless.net/>*
> 
> * *
> 
> �The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter 
> with his business before his competitors do.� - Roy L. Smith
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz licensed

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Did you check and see if there is a 60MHz channel available in 6GHz Rory?

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Feb 15, 2017, at 1:39 AM, Rory Conaway  wrote:
> 
> Will the Cambium 820 support that?
> 
> Rory
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:25 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz licensed
> 
> IIRC, there are 10 channel pairs on the 40MHz channel plan for 18GHz. 
> You could always do 2+0 if there are two channels available on your proposed 
> path.
> 
>> On 2/15/2017 12:06 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>> 12 miles.  Needs 4' dishes minimum but I didn't ask about both polarities.  
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Rory
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Trey Scarborough
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:05 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz licensed
>> 
>> Hmm Xpic if you can get 40mhz on H and V. are you trying to make this 
>> go
>> 30 miles though...
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/14/2017 10:17 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>>> I have a link where only 40MHz is available.  What would my best 
>>> option be to get more than 500Mbps out of it?  2048QAM is limited to 
>>> 347Mbps.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO*
>>> 
>>> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>>> 
>>> *602-426-0542*
>>> 
>>> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>>> 
>>> *www.triadwireless.net *
>>> 
>>> * *
>>> 
>>> �The successful man is the one who finds out what is the matter 
>>> with his business before his competitors do.� - Roy L. Smith
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Take your meds dude!! Trump Claims Without Evidence "Thousands" Of People Were Bused Across State Lines To Illegally Vote

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

That stuff isn't new.  Been happening for years, particularly in states where 
you can register and vote at the same time.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Feb 11, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Why isn't it plausible? That seems like a perfectly simple thing to do.
> 
> I'm not saying it is happening, but it's not so outrageous that it couldn't 
> happen. The left really needs to back that knob off of 11.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 8:00:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Take your meds dude!! Trump Claims Without Evidence 
> "Thousands" Of People Were Bused Across State Lines To Illegally Vote
> 
> Yep,  I fell off the turnip truck... Headed to buy my Ivanka Trump spring 
> ensemble.Plausible my ass
> 
>> On Feb 11, 2017 6:29 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>> That seems like an extremely plausible thing to have happen. I don't 
>> understand your outrage. Time to take part in the first directive of your 
>> subject.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "Animal Farm" 
>> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 5:22:01 AM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Take your meds dude!! Trump Claims Without Evidence 
>> "Thousands" Of People Were Bused Across State Lines To Illegally Vote
>> 
>> https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.buzzfeed.com%2Famphtml%2Fsalvadorhernandez%2Ftrump-revives-voter-fraud-claims#pt0-11532
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

No, it's just harder to get the spectrum, smaller channels, bigger dishes, and 
longer lead times on the gear.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Feb 9, 2017, at 2:21 PM, Brett A Mansfield  
> wrote:
> 
> What does it take to get licensed in 6 GHz? Is it more difficult to get that 
> license that it is 11 GHz?
> 
> Thank you,
> Brett A Mansfield
> 
>> On Feb 9, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 
>> In heavier rain zones, being able to use dishes as small as 3 ft in 6 GHz 
>> has been a game changer.  Back when FCC minimum was 6 ft dish, that was not 
>> feasible on many sites, due to structural issues or tower rent.  Rain fade 
>> much less of an issue at 6 GHz, but need to watch out for multipath similar 
>> to 5 GHz.
>>  
>>  
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke
>> Sent: Thursday, February 9, 2017 12:49 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>>  
>> What do you mean, not a chance at 18?  If you can design for ACM and rain 
>> fade, yes. I know the typical afmug purchase considers them too pricey but 
>> there are lots of high quality, dual polarity 4' and 6' size 18 GHz dishes.
>> 
>> I would not be excessively scared of 15 miles at 18 GHz with big dishes.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 5:42 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> Not a chance at 18. Maybe 11, but that's even far for 11 GHz without huge 
>> dishes.
>> 
>> Play with Mimosa's designer, Cambium's LinkPlanner, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Brett A Mansfield" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 7:38:58 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] 11GHz and 18GHz real throughput
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I've never yet done a licensed link and there is plenty of these two 
>> frequencies available in my area. I need to be able to get 500Mbps at about 
>> 15 miles. Is that possible with either of these?
>> 
>> What kind of real world speeds can I expect out of these and what channel 
>> size do I need to license to get those speeds? 
>> 
>> Is there something else I should consider? What brand/model radios and 
>> dishes, what other frequencies for easier licensing, etc? 
>> 
>> It would be great to be able to get a gig that distance, but I'm trying to 
>> be realistic and get just what I really need to start with. 
>> 
>> No legal advice please, just your experience with it and any knowledge you'd 
>> be able/willing to share with the licensing of these frequencies.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Brett A Mansfield
>>  
>>  

Re: [AFMUG] 40mbps 450 SM keys

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Yup, the only thing that is at 40 Meg is the 450d.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Feb 4, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> Unlimited is the 40meg key
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 7:00 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
>> wrote:
>> Does Cambium still sell 40mbps SM keys for 450? I don't see them anymore 
>> only keys I see is 10, 20, unlimited.

Re: [AFMUG] e pmp 1000

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I'm wrong on this.  The 430s will work with 450i.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jan 30, 2017, at 3:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
> 
> IIRC, the 430 SMs don't play with the 450i APs either.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 Office
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> 
>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What you'd really want to do with the 450, is go from the 430->450M. 
>> Unfortunately, you will have to go to the vanilla 450 first because the 450M 
>> won't play with 430 SMs.
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> 
>>> On 1/30/2017 12:19 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>>> One advantage of going to 450 is that it should be an easier upgrade path 
>>> from 430, since you can run those SMs for awhile even if you don't plan on 
>>> keeping any of the 430 running permanently... but that's only really a big 
>>> deal if there's a lot of 430 SMs already deployed. 
>>> 
>>> I think a lot of it depends on how heavily loaded the APs are... if there's 
>>> a ton of customers on the sectors, then 450 might make the most sense... 
>>> but if they're relatively lightly loaded, then I'd personally just go for 
>>> ePMP.
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>> 430 SMs will keep you from going past 450i at the AP end, starting with 
>>>> 450m.  The path up to 450i is pretty solid, obviously single pol though.  
>>>> If you are OK upgrading the higher plan subs to 450 SMs and keeping the 
>>>> lower plan subs on 430, this might be OK.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 100 FSK gear, wow, that’s like an anchor around your neck these days.  
>>>> You’d be buying customers, but unless you can charge for the network 
>>>> upgrade, they are going to be expensive customers.  With customers 
>>>> thinking 10M is their birthright, how many subs can you put on a 100 
>>>> series AP?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:38 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] e pmp 1000
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> All in 5GHz?
>>>> 
>>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>>> 
>>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>>> 
>>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>>> 
>>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>>> 
>>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> A wisp wants me to buy them out but the gear is old.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Lots of 100 fsk gear and some 430.
>>>> 
>>>> 430 gear is getting cheap and will pretty much do the job.
>>>> 
>>>> A move to 450 can reuse the 430 sm radios.
>>>> 
>>>> But the price on the epmp1000 is not too bad.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Thinking about it.  Probably will not do anything. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Would I be better off just diving into the epmp?
>>>> 
>>>> It is a bit of a noisy environment and it seems like the 430 stuff does OK.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I think you cannot go wrong with 450,  but for the money is the 1000 
>>>> better? 
>>>> 
>>>> Is buying 430s a waste of money on a 450 system?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] e pmp 1000

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

IIRC, the 430 SMs don't play with the 450i APs either.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jan 30, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What you'd really want to do with the 450, is go from the 430->450M. 
> Unfortunately, you will have to go to the vanilla 450 first because the 450M 
> won't play with 430 SMs.
> 
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
>> On 1/30/2017 12:19 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>> One advantage of going to 450 is that it should be an easier upgrade path 
>> from 430, since you can run those SMs for awhile even if you don't plan on 
>> keeping any of the 430 running permanently... but that's only really a big 
>> deal if there's a lot of 430 SMs already deployed. 
>> 
>> I think a lot of it depends on how heavily loaded the APs are... if there's 
>> a ton of customers on the sectors, then 450 might make the most sense... but 
>> if they're relatively lightly loaded, then I'd personally just go for ePMP.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>> 430 SMs will keep you from going past 450i at the AP end, starting with 
>>> 450m.  The path up to 450i is pretty solid, obviously single pol though.  
>>> If you are OK upgrading the higher plan subs to 450 SMs and keeping the 
>>> lower plan subs on 430, this might be OK.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 100 FSK gear, wow, that’s like an anchor around your neck these days.  
>>> You’d be buying customers, but unless you can charge for the network 
>>> upgrade, they are going to be expensive customers.  With customers thinking 
>>> 10M is their birthright, how many subs can you put on a 100 series AP?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
>>> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2017 1:38 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] e pmp 1000
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> All in 5GHz?
>>> 
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> 
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 
>>> 312-205-2519 Office
>>> 
>>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> 
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jan 30, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A wisp wants me to buy them out but the gear is old.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Lots of 100 fsk gear and some 430.
>>> 
>>> 430 gear is getting cheap and will pretty much do the job.
>>> 
>>> A move to 450 can reuse the 430 sm radios.
>>> 
>>> But the price on the epmp1000 is not too bad.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Thinking about it.  Probably will not do anything. 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Would I be better off just diving into the epmp?
>>> 
>>> It is a bit of a noisy environment and it seems like the 430 stuff does OK.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I think you cannot go wrong with 450,  but for the money is the 1000 
>>> better? 
>>> 
>>> Is buying 430s a waste of money on a 450 system?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Haiti

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

I know Paul McCall has spent time there.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jan 6, 2017, at 11:22 AM,   wrote:
> 
> Anyone do anything in Haiti?  I have been asked to work on a project down 
> there and have no idea if WISPs are even legal to operate.  I guess I need to 
> do some googling to see if the state owns the telco. 

Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

With ePMP you are limited to (IIRC) 75/25 and 50/50 for the up/ down ratio.  
With 450 you can slice and dice the bandwidth anyway you want.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Jan 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Trey Scarborough  wrote:
> 
> Your biggest difference is your throughput per MHZ your epmp will do less 
> bandwidth in a 20mhz channel than a 450. he other big difference is 
> subscriber density. It is not recommended to go over 20-30 subs per AP on 
> epmp without loss of performance. I regularly see 450 APs with 70+ subs per 
> AP. With Medusa I have seen over 130. As far as the Medusa not being field 
> proven you may not have field tested it yet, but I know for a fact it has 
> been tested and running on networks for some time now and a viable solution.
> 
> If you have any more questions feel free to hit me up off list.
> 
>> On 1/5/2017 7:36 AM, David Milholen wrote:
>> The radios on these 2 are entirely different. One is using std based
>> radio and the other completely proprietary.
>> 
>> Since framing will be slightly different and so will processing delay.
>> The stds based radio gets close to mimicking the
>> 
>> 450 series but thats strictly based on Cambium magic. Capacity and
>> sustained rates per VC is the where you will see a difference.
>> 
>> Latency will be very consistent from ap to sub. PMP450i is where its at.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1/4/2017 2:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>>> if im running 75/25, epmp is roughly 87mb capacity, 450 93mb capacity
>>> is this correct?
>>> 
>>> are efficiencies batter on 450 if installation is the same? ie, if I
>>> forlifted one AP with 17 epmps to 450, where would my gains be
>>> assuming everything stays installed in the same spot. Its not like the
>>> FCC gives 450 any more power than epmp, so path loss should be the same.
>>> Im looking at this epmp 1000 sector thats running overall about 64-7%
>>> efficient with 17 subscribers and wondering what the gain is to move
>>> to 450 (exclude medusa, as its not field proven)
>>> 
>>> --
>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>> 
>> --
> 
>