subject:"Re\: \[AFMUG\] 4.9 Ghz PTP \- Can I..."

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-27 Thread Mike Hammett

It looks like it's a city... and the city doesn't even have their own web site, 
just a couple pages on the chamber's site. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 11:21:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

I wonder what Nauvoo is, at one time its population was equal to Chicago. They 
had a charter from the state to create a university. 

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:43 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

Any “towns” in Illinois were incorporated before the 1872 Cities and Villages 
Act. Cortland, IL likes to brag that it is the 3rd largest town in Illinois. 
But that’s out of less than 20 remaining towns. 

Illinois villages have exactly 6 trustees, cities have 6 or more aldermen. But 
if you’re incorporated, after 1872, and you’re not a city, you’re a village. I 
live in a village. 

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:07 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

We have townships and communities too where things are unincorporated. 

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

We have villages in Ohio. Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/ 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 

In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There may be more that I'm 
forgetting. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until recently. 
"Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a "village" was 
a "town" in Europe. 

On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote: 

Not for small villages with almost no budget. 

On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote: 

I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for 
government projects. 

Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects we're 
doing hint hint, poke poke. 

On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote: 

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees. 

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN. 

Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

> public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
> coordination costs (no FCC fees) 

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have to 
pay if it's for government use? 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 

Adam, 

To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet service, 
regardless of whom the end user is. Commercial traffic cannot pass over public 
safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet on their 
internal network using 4.9GHz). 

I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a contract to 
lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the safety agency it 
would all be kosher. 

I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety 
agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to 
prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down). 

Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it. Once again though, if 
the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees). So I would lease the equipment to the 
customer as part of the broadband services contract. 

Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Chuck McCown

I wonder what Nauvoo is, at one time its population was equal to Chicago.  They 
had a charter from the state to create a university.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:43 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

Any “towns” in Illinois were incorporated before the 1872 Cities and Villages 
Act.  Cortland, IL likes to brag that it is the 3rd largest town in Illinois.  
But that’s out of less than 20 remaining towns.

Illinois villages have exactly 6 trustees, cities have 6 or more aldermen.  But 
if you’re incorporated, after 1872, and you’re not a city, you’re a village.  I 
live in a village.

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

We have townships and communities too where things are unincorporated.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

We have villages in Ohio.  Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There  may be more that I'm 
forgetting.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

  I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until recently. 
"Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a "village" was 
a "town" in Europe.

  On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

Not for small villages with almost no budget.

On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:

  I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for 
government projects.

  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
      Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

  If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects 
we're doing hint hint, poke poke.

  On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
    Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees)

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't 
have to pay if it's for government use?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Adam,

  To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet 
service, regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot pass 
over public safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet 
on their internal network using 4.9GHz).

  I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a 
contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the 
safety agency it would all be kosher.

  I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember 
safety agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks 
to prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down). 

  Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again 
though, if the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and 
only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment to 
the customer as part of the broadband services contract.

  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

  From: Af [mailto:

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Mike Hammett

Thanks for saving me the Googling. 

Well, then those aren't held to any geographic constraints. Townships (as 
mentioned) are usually a county (some states are weird and call them parishes) 
cut up into equal pieces. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:43:51 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

Any “towns” in Illinois were incorporated before the 1872 Cities and Villages 
Act. Cortland, IL likes to brag that it is the 3rd largest town in Illinois. 
But that’s out of less than 20 remaining towns. 

Illinois villages have exactly 6 trustees, cities have 6 or more aldermen. But 
if you’re incorporated, after 1872, and you’re not a city, you’re a village. I 
live in a village. 

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:07 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

We have townships and communities too where things are unincorporated. 

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:35 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

We have villages in Ohio. Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/ 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 

In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There may be more that I'm 
forgetting. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

From: "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until recently. 
"Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a "village" was 
a "town" in Europe. 

On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote: 

Not for small villages with almost no budget. 

On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote: 

I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for 
government projects. 

Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects we're 
doing hint hint, poke poke. 

On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote: 

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees. 

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN. 

Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

> public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
> coordination costs (no FCC fees) 

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have to 
pay if it's for government use? 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 

Adam, 

To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet service, 
regardless of whom the end user is. Commercial traffic cannot pass over public 
safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet on their 
internal network using 4.9GHz). 

I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a contract to 
lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the safety agency it 
would all be kosher. 

I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety 
agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to 
prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down). 

Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it. Once again though, if 
the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees). So I would lease the equipment to the 
customer as part of the broadband services contract. 

Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Ken Hohhof

Any “towns” in Illinois were incorporated before the 1872 Cities and Villages 
Act.  Cortland, IL likes to brag that it is the 3rd largest town in Illinois.  
But that’s out of less than 20 remaining towns.

Illinois villages have exactly 6 trustees, cities have 6 or more aldermen.  But 
if you’re incorporated, after 1872, and you’re not a city, you’re a village.  I 
live in a village.


From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

We have townships and communities too where things are unincorporated.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

We have villages in Ohio.  Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There  may be more that I'm 
forgetting.




  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...


  I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until recently. 
"Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a "village" was 
a "town" in Europe.


  On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

Not for small villages with almost no budget.


On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:

  I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for 
government projects.



  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
      Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...



  If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects 
we're doing hint hint, poke poke.

  On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.



You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
    Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...



>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees)



So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't 
have to pay if it's for government use?






Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373



On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Adam,



  To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet 
service, regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot pass 
over public safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet 
on their internal network using 4.9GHz).



  I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a 
contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the 
safety agency it would all be kosher.



  I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember 
safety agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks 
to prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down). 



  Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again 
though, if the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and 
only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment to 
the customer as part of the broadband services contract.



  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
      Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...



  Good to know, I will take a look.

  Is a county office OK to use

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread George Skorup


Same here.

On 7/26/2016 8:09 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Township is more like a small county within a county.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com 
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:


We have townships and communities too where things are
unincorporated.
*From:* Josh Luthman <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:35 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
We have villages in Ohio.  Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net
<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There  may
be more that I'm forgetting.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>

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*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com
<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>>
        *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

I had never heard the term "village" used in North America
until recently. "Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always
under the assumption a "village" was a "town" in Europe.

On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:

Not for small villages with almost no budget.

On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:

I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is
a better fit for government projects.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*George Skorup
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for
the gov't projects we're doing hint hint, poke poke.

On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no
license fees.

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
<tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

dwh...@converge-tech.com
<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can
license and only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees)

So when you edit/add the site information on the
FCC sites you don't have to pay if it's for
government use?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Josh Luthman

Township is more like a small county within a county.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

> We have townships and communities too where things are unincorporated.
>
> *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:35 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
> We have villages in Ohio.  Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There  may be more that
>> I'm forgetting.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
>> --
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>>
>> I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until
>> recently. "Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a
>> "village" was a "town" in Europe.
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not for small villages with almost no budget.
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>>>
>>> I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for
>>> government projects.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>>
>>> ConVergence Technologies
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>>
>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *George Skorup
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects
>>> we're doing hint hint, poke poke.
>>>
>>> On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>>>
>>> If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daniel White
>>>
>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>>
>>> ConVergence Technologies
>>>
>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>>
>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay
>>> coordination costs (no FCC fees)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't
>>> have to pay if it's for government use?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Chuck McCown

We have townships and communities too where things are unincorporated.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:35 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

We have villages in Ohio.  Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

  In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There  may be more that I'm 
forgetting.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

  I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until recently. 
"Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a "village" was 
a "town" in Europe.

  On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

Not for small villages with almost no budget.

On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:

  I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for 
government projects.

  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
      Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

  If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects 
we're doing hint hint, poke poke.

  On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
    Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees)

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't 
have to pay if it's for government use?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

  Adam,

  To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet 
service, regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot pass 
over public safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet 
on their internal network using 4.9GHz).

  I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a 
contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the 
safety agency it would all be kosher.

  I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember 
safety agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks 
to prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down). 

  Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again 
though, if the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and 
only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment to 
the customer as part of the broadband services contract.

  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
      Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

  Good to know, I will take a look.

  Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

  Adam

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
  Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
  To: Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

  B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 
Mbps+ aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great 
distance for it.

  Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder

  On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread George Skorup

Village of this, Village of that. That's the legal term for most small 
towns in Illinois. When you think 'City of ' around here, it's usually 
like Aurora, Naperville, Joliet, etc. Except it's just "The City" for 
Chicago in podunk terms.


On 7/26/2016 7:31 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There  may be more 
that I'm forgetting.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix><https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange><https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>


<https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>

*From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until 
recently. "Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the 
assumption a "village" was a "town" in Europe.



On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com 
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> wrote:


Not for small villages with almost no budget.

On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:

I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better
fit for government projects.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George
Skorup
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't
projects we're doing hint hint, poke poke.

On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license
fees.

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of
*Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license
and only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees)

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites
you don't have to pay if it's for government use?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White
<afmu...@gmail.com <mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Adam,

To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to
provide internet service, regardless of whom the end
user is. Commercial traffic cannot pass over public
safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute
the Internet on their internal network using 4.9GHz).

I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety
agency had a contract to lease space on the tower, and
you donated the equipment to the safety agency it
would all be kosher.

I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications
personally – remember safety agencies with higher
priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to
prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into
an area they can tell the city to shut down).

Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with
it.  Once again though, if the public safety agency
owns the equipment they can license and only pay
coordination

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Josh Luthman

We have villages in Ohio.  Example: http://villageofannaoh.com/


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:

> In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There  may be more that
> I'm forgetting.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> --------------
> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
> I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until recently.
> "Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a "village"
> was a "town" in Europe.
>
> On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>
>> Not for small villages with almost no budget.
>>
>> On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>>
>> I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for
>> government projects.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>
>> ConVergence Technologies
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *George Skorup
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>>
>>
>>
>> If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects
>> we're doing hint hint, poke poke.
>>
>> On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>>
>> If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.
>>
>>
>>
>> You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.
>>
>>
>>
>> Daniel White
>>
>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>
>> ConVergence Technologies
>>
>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>>
>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>>
>>
>>
>> >public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay
>> coordination costs (no FCC fees)
>>
>>
>>
>> So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have
>> to pay if it's for government use?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Adam,
>>
>>
>>
>> To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet
>> service, regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot
>> pass over public safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the
>> Internet on their internal network using 4.9GHz).
>>
>>
>>
>> I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a
>> contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the
>> safety agency it would all be kosher.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember
>> safety agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other
>> networks to prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area
>> they can tell the city to shut down).
>>
>>
>>
>> Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again
>> though, if the public safety agency owns th

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Mike Hammett

In Illinois I know of cities, towns and villages. There may be more that I'm 
forgetting. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 7:29:57 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until recently. 
"Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a "village" was 
a "town" in Europe. 

On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" < geo...@cbcast.com > wrote: 

Not for small villages with almost no budget. 

On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote: 

I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for 
government projects. 

Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of George Skorup 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects we're 
doing hint hint, poke poke. 

On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote: 

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees. 

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN. 

Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

> public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
> coordination costs (no FCC fees) 

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have to 
pay if it's for government use? 

Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White < afmu...@gmail.com > wrote: 

Adam, 

To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet service, 
regardless of whom the end user is. Commercial traffic cannot pass over public 
safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet on their 
internal network using 4.9GHz). 

I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a contract to 
lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the safety agency it 
would all be kosher. 

I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety 
agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to 
prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down). 

Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it. Once again though, if 
the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees). So I would lease the equipment to the 
customer as part of the broadband services contract. 

Daniel White 
Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales 
ConVergence Technologies 
Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 
dwh...@converge-tech.com 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

Good to know, I will take a look. 
Is a county office OK to use 4.9? 
Adam 

From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM 
To: Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I... 

B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+ 
aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great 
distance for it. 

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder 

On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza ( losguyswirel...@gmail.com ) 
wrote: 

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz due 
to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal agencies. I know 
Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz once they go up they 
stay up pretty solidly. 

On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" < li...@smarterbroadband.com > 
wrote: 

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24. 

They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link, so 
AF24 is out. 

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I want 
five nines, so Licensed. 

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this? 

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz? 

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short link. 

Suggestions in Licensed 18Ghz? 

BTW they are price sensitive.

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Josh Reynolds

I had never heard the term "village" used in North America until recently.
"Towns" and "cities" yes, but I was always under the assumption a "village"
was a "town" in Europe.

On Jul 26, 2016 6:40 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:

> Not for small villages with almost no budget.
>
> On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>
> I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for
> government projects.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *George Skorup
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects
> we're doing hint hint, poke poke.
>
> On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:
>
> If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.
>
>
>
> You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> >public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay
> coordination costs (no FCC fees)
>
>
>
> So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have
> to pay if it's for government use?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Adam,
>
>
>
> To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet
> service, regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot
> pass over public safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the
> Internet on their internal network using 4.9GHz).
>
>
>
> I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a
> contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the
> safety agency it would all be kosher.
>
>
>
> I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety
> agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to
> prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can
> tell the city to shut down).
>
>
>
> Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again
> though, if the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and
> only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment
> to the customer as part of the broadband services contract.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> Good to know, I will take a look.
>
> Is a county office OK to use 4.9?
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jaime Fink
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
> *To:* Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
> aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
> distance for it.
>
>
>
> Jaime Fink • Mimosa <http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder
>
>
>
> On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz
> due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
> agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
> once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> We currently provide 100 meg to our local coun

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread George Skorup


Not for small villages with almost no budget.

On 7/26/2016 6:29 PM, Daniel White wrote:


I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for 
government projects.


Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects 
we're doing hint hint, poke poke.


On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only
pay coordination costs (no FCC fees)

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you
don't have to pay if it's for government use?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com
<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Adam,

To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide
internet service, regardless of whom the end user is. 
Commercial traffic cannot pass over public safety systems

(although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet on their
internal network using 4.9GHz).

I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency
had a contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated
the equipment to the safety agency it would all be kosher.

I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally –
remember safety agencies with higher priority in a disaster
can shut down other networks to prevent interference (for
instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell the city to
shut down).

Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once
again though, if the public safety agency owns the equipment
they can license and only pay coordination costs (no FCC
fees).  So I would lease the equipment to the customer as part
of the broadband services contract.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

Good to know, I will take a look.

Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

Adam

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Fink
*Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
*To:* Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you
200 Mbps+ aggregate in it’s max allowable channel
configuration in that band. Great distance for it.

Jaime Fink • Mimosa <http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder

On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza
(losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>)
wrote:

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are
replacing with 3.65 GHz due to hundreds of Radwins used
across border by state and federal agencies.   I know
Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.

On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband"
<li...@smarterbroadband.com
<mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com>> wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices
on an AF24.

They want us to move the link to another location will be
a 4.3 mile link, so AF24 is out.

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when
requested, I want five nines, s

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Daniel White

I’d guess Cambium would say that the 450i platform is a better fit for 
government projects.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 5:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects we're 
doing hint hint, poke poke.

On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
>coordination costs (no FCC fees)

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have to 
pay if it's for government use?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com 
<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Adam,

To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet service, 
regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot pass over public 
safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet on their 
internal network using 4.9GHz).

I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a contract to 
lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the safety agency it 
would all be kosher.

I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety 
agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to 
prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down).

Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again though, if 
the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment to the 
customer as part of the broadband services contract.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

Good to know, I will take a look.

Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
To: Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+ 
aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great 
distance for it.

Jaime Fink •  <http://www.mimosa.co> Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder

On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> ) wrote:

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz due 
to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal agencies.   I 
know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz once they go up 
they stay up pretty solidly.

On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com> > wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.

They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link, so 
AF24 is out.

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I want 
five nines, so Licensed.

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short link.

Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?

BTW they are price sensitive.

Thanks

Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread George Skorup

If only Cambium would let us unlock 4.9 on ePMP for the gov't projects 
we're doing hint hint, poke poke.


On 7/26/2016 3:12 PM, Daniel White wrote:


If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies__

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees)


So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't 
have to pay if it's for government use?



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com 
<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Adam,

To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet
service, regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic
cannot pass over public safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can
distribute the Internet on their internal network using 4.9GHz).

I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had
a contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated the
equipment to the safety agency it would all be kosher.

I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally –
remember safety agencies with higher priority in a disaster can
shut down other networks to prevent interference (for instance, if
FEMA moves into an area they can tell the city to shut down).

Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it. Once again
though, if the public safety agency owns the equipment they can
license and only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would
lease the equipment to the customer as part of the broadband
services contract.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

dwh...@converge-tech.com <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com>

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
*Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

Good to know, I will take a look.

Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

Adam

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Fink
*Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
*To:* Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200
Mbps+ aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in
that band. Great distance for it.

Jaime Fink • Mimosa <http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder

On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza
(losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>) wrote:

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing
with 3.65 GHz due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by
state and federal agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz
ptp solutions I know in 5GHz once they go up they stay up
pretty solidly.

On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband"
<li...@smarterbroadband.com
<mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com>> wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an
AF24.

They want us to move the link to another location will be a
4.3 mile link, so AF24 is out.

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when
requested, I want five nines, so Licensed.

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum
on a short link.

Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?

BTW they are price sensitive.

Thanks

Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread ccie4526

Gracias, Jaime!

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 10:48 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

> All products *except* the B5 (A5, A5c, B5c, B5-Lite, C5 and when released
> C5c).
>
> The nature of the tuning of the B5 dish and waveguide style design makes
> it a poor efficiency match down at 4.9 GHz so we felt it not worthy of
> certifying versus the other alternatives available.
>
> Jaime
>
> On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:09 PM, ccie4526  wrote:
>
> Just the B5c? Or is the B5 certified as well?  We might need to change an
> order... I just received our 4.9GHz license a couple weeks ago.
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:
>
>> B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
>> aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
>> distance for it.
>>
>> Jaime Fink • Mimosa  • CPO & Co-Founder
>>
>> On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz
>> due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
>> agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
>> once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile
>>> link, so AF24 is out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
>>> want five nines, so Licensed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a
>>> short link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW they are price sensitive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Mark Radabaugh

We have installed a number of B5's in 4.9 as backhauls for the sheriff's 
department.  They have been working fine.  Only complaint is the minimum 20Mhz 
channel size - a option for 5 or 10Mhz would better match the required 
bandwidth.

Mark
Amplex
m...@amplex.net

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 5:11 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@smarterbroadband.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> who have you used?
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:01 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>  
> 23 gig. Tell them that they can pay off the install costs in 6 payments over 
> 6 months and swallow the cost of getting a great connection with room to 
> grow...
>  
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:57 PM, SmarterBroadband 
> <li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>  
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link, so 
> AF24 is out.
>  
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I want 
> five nines, so Licensed.
>  
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>  
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>  
> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short 
> link.
>  
> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>  
> BTW they are price sensitive.
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Adam  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --
> -- 
> Sam Lambie
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Josh Luthman

Well that's handy to know!!!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Jul 26, 2016 4:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:

> Between Two FRNs.
>
> *From:* Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:12 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
> If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.
>
>
>
> You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> >public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay
> coordination costs (no FCC fees)
>
>
>
> So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have
> to pay if it's for government use?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Adam,
>
>
>
> To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet
> service, regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot
> pass over public safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the
> Internet on their internal network using 4.9GHz).
>
>
>
> I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a
> contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the
> safety agency it would all be kosher.
>
>
>
> I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety
> agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to
> prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can
> tell the city to shut down).
>
>
>
> Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again
> though, if the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and
> only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment
> to the customer as part of the broadband services contract.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> Good to know, I will take a look.
>
> Is a county office OK to use 4.9?
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jaime Fink
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
> *To:* Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
> aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
> distance for it.
>
>
>
> Jaime Fink • Mimosa <http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder
>
>
>
> On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz
> due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
> agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
> once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>
>
>
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link,
> so AF24 is out.
>
>
>
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
> want five nines, so Licensed.
>
>
>
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>
>
>
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>
>
>
> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
> link.
>
>
>
> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>
>
>
> BTW they are price sensitive.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Ken Hohhof

Between Two FRNs.

From: Daniel White 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
>coordination costs (no FCC fees)

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have to 
pay if it's for government use?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

  Adam,

  To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet service, 
regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot pass over public 
safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet on their 
internal network using 4.9GHz).

  I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a contract 
to lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the safety agency 
it would all be kosher.

  I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety 
agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to 
prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down). 

  Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again though, 
if the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment to the 
customer as part of the broadband services contract.

  Daniel White

  Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

  ConVergence Technologies

  Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

  dwh...@converge-tech.com

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
  Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

  Good to know, I will take a look.

  Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

  Adam

  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
  Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
  To: Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

  B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+ 
aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great 
distance for it.

  Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder

  On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com) 
wrote:

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz 
due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal agencies.   
I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz once they go up 
they stay up pretty solidly. 

On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com> 
wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.

They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link, 
so AF24 is out.

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I 
want five nines, so Licensed.

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short 
link.

Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?

BTW they are price sensitive.

Thanks

Adam  

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Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Daniel White

If it is under a government FRN… then there is no license fees.

You can’t have the link licensed under your FRN.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 8:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
>coordination costs (no FCC fees)

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have to 
pay if it's for government use?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com 
<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Adam,

To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet service, 
regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot pass over public 
safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet on their 
internal network using 4.9GHz).

I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a contract to 
lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the safety agency it 
would all be kosher.

I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety 
agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to 
prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down).

Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again though, if 
the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment to the 
customer as part of the broadband services contract.

Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

Good to know, I will take a look.

Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

Adam

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
To: Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+ 
aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great 
distance for it.

Jaime Fink •  <http://www.mimosa.co> Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder

On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> ) wrote:

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz due 
to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal agencies.   I 
know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz once they go up 
they stay up pretty solidly.

On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com> > wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.

They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link, so 
AF24 is out.

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I want 
five nines, so Licensed.

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short link.

Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?

BTW they are price sensitive.

Thanks

Adam

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Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Josh Luthman

>public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay
coordination costs (no FCC fees)

So when you edit/add the site information on the FCC sites you don't have
to pay if it's for government use?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Adam,
>
>
>
> To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet
> service, regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot
> pass over public safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the
> Internet on their internal network using 4.9GHz).
>
>
>
> I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a
> contract to lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the
> safety agency it would all be kosher.
>
>
>
> I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety
> agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to
> prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can
> tell the city to shut down).
>
>
>
> Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again
> though, if the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and
> only pay coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment
> to the customer as part of the broadband services contract.
>
>
>
> Daniel White
>
> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>
> ConVergence Technologies
>
> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590
>
> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> Good to know, I will take a look.
>
> Is a county office OK to use 4.9?
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *Jaime Fink
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
> *To:* Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
> aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
> distance for it.
>
>
>
> Jaime Fink • Mimosa <http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder
>
>
>
> On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz
> due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
> agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
> once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>
>
>
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link,
> so AF24 is out.
>
>
>
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
> want five nines, so Licensed.
>
>
>
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>
>
>
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>
>
>
> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
> link.
>
>
>
> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>
>
>
> BTW they are price sensitive.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-26 Thread Daniel White

Adam,



To answer your question, you cannot use 4.9GHz to provide internet service, 
regardless of whom the end user is.  Commercial traffic cannot pass over public 
safety systems (although a 4.9GHz user can distribute the Internet on their 
internal network using 4.9GHz).



I’d guess if the tower site was the Demarc, the safety agency had a contract to 
lease space on the tower, and you donated the equipment to the safety agency it 
would all be kosher.



I’m not a fan of 4.9GHz for most applications personally – remember safety 
agencies with higher priority in a disaster can shut down other networks to 
prevent interference (for instance, if FEMA moves into an area they can tell 
the city to shut down).



Personally I’d use a Part 101 band and be done with it.  Once again though, if 
the public safety agency owns the equipment they can license and only pay 
coordination costs (no FCC fees).  So I would lease the equipment to the 
customer as part of the broadband services contract.



Daniel White

Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales

ConVergence Technologies

Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590

 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...



Good to know, I will take a look.

Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

Adam



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
To: Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...



B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+ 
aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great 
distance for it.



Jaime Fink •  <http://www.mimosa.co> Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder



On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com 
<mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> ) wrote:

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz due 
to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal agencies.   I 
know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz once they go up 
they stay up pretty solidly.



On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com 
<mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com> > wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.



They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link, so 
AF24 is out.



I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I want 
five nines, so Licensed.



Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?



What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?



If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short link.



Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?



BTW they are price sensitive.



Thanks



Adam







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Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread ccie4526

Just the B5c? Or is the B5 certified as well?  We might need to change an
order... I just received our 4.9GHz license a couple weeks ago.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

> B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
> aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
> distance for it.
>
> Jaime Fink • Mimosa  • CPO & Co-Founder
>
> On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz
> due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
> agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
> once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.
>
> On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
> wrote:
>
>> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>>
>>
>>
>> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile
>> link, so AF24 is out.
>>
>>
>>
>> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
>> want five nines, so Licensed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>>
>>
>>
>> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
>> link.
>>
>>
>>
>> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW they are price sensitive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Eric Kuhnke

I don't think it would be possible to meet the equivalent of ETSI class 3
with such a small antenna...  They could easily (from a regulatory
standpoint) allow higher Tx power for 24 GHz unlicensed FDD or TDD links if
the antennas met a criteria of certain sidelobe dB falloff at specific
number of degrees off azimuth, which could only be met by a 60cm/2ft
diameter dish.



On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 7:00 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Be careful what you wish for. Remember that the Tx antenna on the AF24 is
> smaller/wider beam.
>
> On 7/25/2016 6:46 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> Naturally it's better than an AF24 (or even AF24HD) since the 24 band is
> limited to +0 Tx power...
>
> I would be really happy if the FCC and IC would permit 24 GHz unlicensed
> PTP with higher Tx power, if they put a firm limitation on the quality of
> antennas for sidelobes and f/b ratio at least meeting ETSI class 3
> requirements.
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:32 PM, George Skorup  wrote:
>
>> We have an ExtendAir G2 18Ghz at 2.5 miles on 2' dishes to a 100Mbps
>> enterprise customer. It's definitely better than an AF24 in the rain. Of
>> course it's at -34dBm RSL, too. I'm not real happy with Exalt and the G2
>> failures we've had, but this pair has been fine for the most part.
>>
>> To go 4.3 miles, perhaps make one end a 3' dish?
>>
>> On 7/25/2016 5:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>>
>> ExtendAir G2?
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>> Exalt for the 23 gig gear. I think our cost was around 6500.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:
>>>
 B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
 aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
 distance for it.

 Jaime Fink • Mimosa  • CPO & Co-Founder

 On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (
 losguyswirel...@gmail.com) wrote:

 Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65
 GHz due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
 agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
 once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.

 On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
 wrote:

> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>
>
>
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile
> link, so AF24 is out.
>
>
>
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested,
> I want five nines, so Licensed.
>
>
>
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>
>
>
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>
>
>
> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a
> short link.
>
>
>
> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>
>
>
> BTW they are price sensitive.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>> *Sam Lambie*
>>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>>> 575-758-7598 Office
>>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread George Skorup

Be careful what you wish for. Remember that the Tx antenna on the AF24 
is smaller/wider beam.


On 7/25/2016 6:46 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
Naturally it's better than an AF24 (or even AF24HD) since the 24 band 
is limited to +0 Tx power...


I would be really happy if the FCC and IC would permit 24 GHz 
unlicensed PTP with higher Tx power, if they put a firm limitation on 
the quality of antennas for sidelobes and f/b ratio at least meeting 
ETSI class 3 requirements.


On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:32 PM, George Skorup > wrote:


We have an ExtendAir G2 18Ghz at 2.5 miles on 2' dishes to a
100Mbps enterprise customer. It's definitely better than an AF24
in the rain. Of course it's at -34dBm RSL, too. I'm not real happy
with Exalt and the G2 failures we've had, but this pair has been
fine for the most part.

To go 4.3 miles, perhaps make one end a 3' dish?

On 7/25/2016 5:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

ExtendAir G2?

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Sam Lambie > wrote:

Exalt for the 23 gig gear. I think our cost was around 6500.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Fink > wrote:

B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get
you 200 Mbps+ aggregate in it’s max allowable channel
configuration in that band. Great distance for it.

Jaime Fink • Mimosa •CPO & Co-Founder

On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza
(losguyswirel...@gmail.com
) wrote:


Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are
replacing with 3.65 GHz due to hundreds of Radwins used
across border by state and federal agencies.   I know
Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.


On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband"
> wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county
offices on an AF24.

They want us to move the link to another location
will be a 4.3 mile link, so AF24 is out.

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do
200 when requested, I want five nines, so Licensed.

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11
Ghz spectrum on a short link.

Suggestions in Licensed 18Ghz?

BTW they are price sensitive.

Thanks

Adam





-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Josh Reynolds

Streakwave lists 28 in stock. *Shrug*

On Jul 25, 2016 7:50 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com>
wrote:

> Is it out now?  I saw something that said September?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:14 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
> Ubiquiti has a 4.9GHz AirFiber.
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF-4X-USA===0
>
> 17.1Mbps/MHz
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:57 PM, SmarterBroadband <
> li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:
> > We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
> >
> >
> >
> > They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile
> > link, so AF24 is out.
> >
> >
> >
> > I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested,
> > I want five nines, so Licensed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
> >
> >
> >
> > What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
> >
> >
> >
> > If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a
> > short link.
> >
> >
> >
> > Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW they are price sensitive.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Jaime Solorza

Didn't know

On Jul 25, 2016 6:15 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

> Ubiquiti has a 4.9GHz AirFiber.
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF-4X-USA===0
>
> 17.1Mbps/MHz
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:57 PM, SmarterBroadband
>  wrote:
> > We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
> >
> >
> >
> > They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile
> link,
> > so AF24 is out.
> >
> >
> >
> > I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
> want
> > five nines, so Licensed.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
> >
> >
> >
> > What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
> >
> >
> >
> > If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
> > link.
> >
> >
> >
> > Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW they are price sensitive.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread SmarterBroadband

Is it out now?  I saw something that said September?


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:14 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

Ubiquiti has a 4.9GHz AirFiber.
https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF-4X-USA===0

17.1Mbps/MHz


On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:57 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@smarterbroadband.com> 
wrote:
> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>
>
>
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile 
> link, so AF24 is out.
>
>
>
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, 
> I want five nines, so Licensed.
>
>
>
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>
>
>
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>
>
>
> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a 
> short link.
>
>
>
> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>
>
>
> BTW they are price sensitive.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Josh Reynolds

Ubiquiti has a 4.9GHz AirFiber.
https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=AF-4X-USA===0

17.1Mbps/MHz


On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:57 PM, SmarterBroadband
 wrote:
> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>
>
>
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link,
> so AF24 is out.
>
>
>
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I want
> five nines, so Licensed.
>
>
>
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>
>
>
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>
>
>
> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
> link.
>
>
>
> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>
>
>
> BTW they are price sensitive.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Eric Kuhnke

Naturally it's better than an AF24 (or even AF24HD) since the 24 band is
limited to +0 Tx power...

I would be really happy if the FCC and IC would permit 24 GHz unlicensed
PTP with higher Tx power, if they put a firm limitation on the quality of
antennas for sidelobes and f/b ratio at least meeting ETSI class 3
requirements.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:32 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> We have an ExtendAir G2 18Ghz at 2.5 miles on 2' dishes to a 100Mbps
> enterprise customer. It's definitely better than an AF24 in the rain. Of
> course it's at -34dBm RSL, too. I'm not real happy with Exalt and the G2
> failures we've had, but this pair has been fine for the most part.
>
> To go 4.3 miles, perhaps make one end a 3' dish?
>
> On 7/25/2016 5:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
>
> ExtendAir G2?
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:
>
>> Exalt for the 23 gig gear. I think our cost was around 6500.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:
>>
>>> B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
>>> aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
>>> distance for it.
>>>
>>> Jaime Fink • Mimosa  • CPO & Co-Founder
>>>
>>> On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65
>>> GHz due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
>>> agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
>>> once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.
>>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.

 They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile
 link, so AF24 is out.

 I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
 want five nines, so Licensed.

 Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

 What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

 If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a
 short link.

 Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?

 BTW they are price sensitive.

 Thanks

 Adam

>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *Sam Lambie*
>> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
>> 575-758-7598 Office
>> www.Taosnet.com 
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread George Skorup

We have an ExtendAir G2 18Ghz at 2.5 miles on 2' dishes to a 100Mbps 
enterprise customer. It's definitely better than an AF24 in the rain. Of 
course it's at -34dBm RSL, too. I'm not real happy with Exalt and the G2 
failures we've had, but this pair has been fine for the most part.


To go 4.3 miles, perhaps make one end a 3' dish?

On 7/25/2016 5:05 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

ExtendAir G2?

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Sam Lambie > wrote:


Exalt for the 23 gig gear. I think our cost was around 6500.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Fink > wrote:

B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you
200 Mbps+ aggregate in it’s max allowable channel
configuration in that band. Great distance for it.

Jaime Fink • Mimosa •CPO & Co-Founder

On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza
(losguyswirel...@gmail.com )
wrote:


Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing
with 3.65 GHz due to hundreds of Radwins used across border
by state and federal agencies.   I know Airaya had some
4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz once they go up they
stay up pretty solidly.


On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband"
> wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices
on an AF24.

They want us to move the link to another location will be
a 4.3 mile link, so AF24 is out.

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200
when requested, I want five nines, so Licensed.

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz
spectrum on a short link.

Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?

BTW they are price sensitive.

Thanks

Adam





-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Eric Kuhnke

ExtendAir G2?

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Exalt for the 23 gig gear. I think our cost was around 6500.
>
> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:
>
>> B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
>> aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
>> distance for it.
>>
>> Jaime Fink • Mimosa  • CPO & Co-Founder
>>
>> On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com)
>> wrote:
>>
>> Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz
>> due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
>> agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
>> once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.
>>
>> On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile
>>> link, so AF24 is out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
>>> want five nines, so Licensed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a
>>> short link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> BTW they are price sensitive.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Adam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Eric Kuhnke

SAF Integra 18 or 23 GHz 1024QAM in one polarity?  Choose either the
integrated antenna version or slipfit if you think you might want 3'/4'
antennas or re-use the radios someday in the future for a longer link.

County government, you're probably talking about a 36 month+ service term,
so work the cost of the SAF radios into the NRC+MRC over time. ROI
shouldn't be too hard if your county understands the cost of buying five
nines service with an SLA.

Agreed that 4.3 miles is really short to use 11 GHz.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 1:57 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>
>
>
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link,
> so AF24 is out.
>
>
>
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
> want five nines, so Licensed.
>
>
>
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>
>
>
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>
>
>
> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
> link.
>
>
>
> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>
>
>
> BTW they are price sensitive.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Jaime Solorza

Check FCC rules... First responders and public safety first priority and
other agencies follow.

On Jul 25, 2016 3:53 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com>
wrote:

> Good to know, I will take a look.
>
> Is a county office OK to use 4.9?
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Fink
> *Sent:* Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
> *To:* Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...
>
>
>
> B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
> aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
> distance for it.
>
>
>
> Jaime Fink • Mimosa <http://www.mimosa.co> • CPO & Co-Founder
>
>
>
> On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz
> due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
> agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
> once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com>
> wrote:
>
> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>
>
>
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link,
> so AF24 is out.
>
>
>
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
> want five nines, so Licensed.
>
>
>
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>
>
>
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>
>
>
> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
> link.
>
>
>
> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>
>
>
> BTW they are price sensitive.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread SmarterBroadband

Good to know, I will take a look.

Is a county office OK to use 4.9?

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Fink
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:23 PM
To: Jaime Solorza; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

 

B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+ 
aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great 
distance for it.

 

Jaime Fink •  <http://www.mimosa.co> Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder

 

On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com) wrote:

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz due 
to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal agencies.   I 
know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz once they go up 
they stay up pretty solidly. 

 

On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" <li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.

 

They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link, so 
AF24 is out.

 

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I want 
five nines, so Licensed.

 

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

 

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

 

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short link.

 

Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?

 

BTW they are price sensitive.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Sam Lambie

Exalt for the 23 gig gear. I think our cost was around 6500.

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

> B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+
> aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great
> distance for it.
>
> Jaime Fink • Mimosa  • CPO & Co-Founder
>
> On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza (losguyswirel...@gmail.com)
> wrote:
>
> Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz
> due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
> agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
> once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.
>
> On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
> wrote:
>
>> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>>
>>
>>
>> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile
>> link, so AF24 is out.
>>
>>
>>
>> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
>> want five nines, so Licensed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>>
>>
>>
>> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>>
>>
>>
>> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
>> link.
>>
>>
>>
>> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW they are price sensitive.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Jaime Fink

B5c in 4.9 GHz is Part 90 Subpart Y certified, should get you 200 Mbps+ 
aggregate in it’s max allowable channel configuration in that band. Great 
distance for it.

Jaime Fink • Mimosa • CPO & Co-Founder


On July 25, 2016 at 2:18:33 PM, Jaime Solorza 
(losguyswirel...@gmail.com) wrote:

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz due 
to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal agencies.   I 
know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz once they go up 
they stay up pretty solidly.

On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
> wrote:
We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.

They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link, so 
AF24 is out.

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I want 
five nines, so Licensed.

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short link.

Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?

BTW they are price sensitive.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Jaime Solorza

Our county folks have Cisco 4.9Ghz radios but are replacing with 3.65 GHz
due to hundreds of Radwins used across border by state and federal
agencies.   I know Airaya had some 4.9GHz ptp solutions I know in 5GHz
once they go up they stay up pretty solidly.

On Jul 25, 2016 2:57 PM, "SmarterBroadband" 
wrote:

> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>
>
>
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link,
> so AF24 is out.
>
>
>
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
> want five nines, so Licensed.
>
>
>
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>
>
>
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
>
>
>
> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
> link.
>
>
>
> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
>
>
>
> BTW they are price sensitive.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread SmarterBroadband

who have you used?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sam Lambie
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

23 gig. Tell them that they can pay off the install costs in 6 payments over 6 
months and swallow the cost of getting a great connection with room to grow...

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:57 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@smarterbroadband.com> 
wrote:

We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.

They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link, so 
AF24 is out.

I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I want 
five nines, so Licensed.

Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?

What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?

If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short link.

Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?

BTW they are price sensitive.

Thanks

Adam  

-- 

-- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com <http://www.newmex.com>

Re: [AFMUG] 4.9 Ghz PTP - Can I...

2016-07-25 Thread Sam Lambie

23 gig. Tell them that they can pay off the install costs in 6 payments
over 6 months and swallow the cost of getting a great connection with room
to grow...

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 2:57 PM, SmarterBroadband <
li...@smarterbroadband.com> wrote:

> We currently provide 100 meg to our local county offices on an AF24.
>
>
>
> They want us to move the link to another location will be a 4.3 mile link,
> so AF24 is out.
>
>
>
> I need a link to do 100 meg now and be able to do 200 when requested, I
> want five nines, so Licensed.
>
>
>
> Can I use 4.9 Ghz for this?
>
>
>
> What is available for PTP in 4.9Ghz?
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> If not, I could use a B11, but I hate to waste 11 Ghz spectrum on a short
> link.
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> Suggestions in Licensed  18Ghz?
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> BTW they are price sensitive.
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> Thanks
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> Adam
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*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
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www.Taosnet.com

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