Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Law makers and regulators LOVE undefined words and phrases! From: "Paul Christensen" > > "No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM > defined." > > Section 97.307(a) is the closest regulation we have pertaining > occupied > bandwidth in the American amateur service. However, some folks have > argued > that Sections 2.201 and 2.202 apply to the Part 97 service since > Section > 97.307(a) states: > > "No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than > necessary > for the information rate and emission type being transmitted, in > accordance > with good amateur practice." > > Then, Section 2.202 defines "necessary bandwidth" and "occupied > bandwidth" > based on class of service. > > http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/octqtr/47cfr2.201.htm > > http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/octqtr/47cfr2.202.htm > > Reading Sections 2.201-2.202 together, the FCC has already > incorporated much > of the ITU's bandwidth and emission designators from Appendix 1 of > its > bandwidth recommendations. > > http://life.itu.ch/radioclub/rr/ap01.htm > > To the best of my knowledge, the FCC has never formally relied upon > Sections > 2.201-2.202 when addressing bandwidth concerns in the Part 97 > service. > > Paul, W9AC > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net > with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -~ø¤º°º¤ø~-"ßrÿ in FLÕRÎÐÁ"-~ø¤º°º¤ø~- __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Amen! -Larry/NE1S > Good. > > Rob > K5UJ > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Bob Macklin wrote: > > >> No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM defined. >> -- Pay a visit to my amateur radio web page at: ne1s.rfburn.org __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Since I got my ticket in 1957 DSB AM was defined as 6KC B/W. Title 47, Part 2.202 does define the bandwidth for DSB AM as 6KHz. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" - Original Message - From: "Paul Christensen" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan >> "No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM defined." > > Section 97.307(a) is the closest regulation we have pertaining occupied > bandwidth in the American amateur service. However, some folks have > argued > that Sections 2.201 and 2.202 apply to the Part 97 service since Section > 97.307(a) states: > > "No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than > necessary > for the information rate and emission type being transmitted, in > accordance > with good amateur practice." > > Then, Section 2.202 defines "necessary bandwidth" and "occupied bandwidth" > based on class of service. > > http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/octqtr/47cfr2.201.htm > > http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/octqtr/47cfr2.202.htm > > Reading Sections 2.201-2.202 together, the FCC has already incorporated > much > of the ITU's bandwidth and emission designators from Appendix 1 of its > bandwidth recommendations. > > http://life.itu.ch/radioclub/rr/ap01.htm > > To the best of my knowledge, the FCC has never formally relied upon > Sections > 2.201-2.202 when addressing bandwidth concerns in the Part 97 service. > > Paul, W9AC > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
> "No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM defined." Section 97.307(a) is the closest regulation we have pertaining occupied bandwidth in the American amateur service. However, some folks have argued that Sections 2.201 and 2.202 apply to the Part 97 service since Section 97.307(a) states: "No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than necessary for the information rate and emission type being transmitted, in accordance with good amateur practice." Then, Section 2.202 defines "necessary bandwidth" and "occupied bandwidth" based on class of service. http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/octqtr/47cfr2.201.htm http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2008/octqtr/47cfr2.202.htm Reading Sections 2.201-2.202 together, the FCC has already incorporated much of the ITU's bandwidth and emission designators from Appendix 1 of its bandwidth recommendations. http://life.itu.ch/radioclub/rr/ap01.htm To the best of my knowledge, the FCC has never formally relied upon Sections 2.201-2.202 when addressing bandwidth concerns in the Part 97 service. Paul, W9AC __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Good. Rob K5UJ On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Bob Macklin wrote: > No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM defined. > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
No place in Part 97 is the bandwidth for eater SSB or AM defined. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" - Original Message - From: "Bry Carling" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan He he - yeah, and unless I missed something nobody has really defined what the parameters are for that "bandwidth" anyway! - 6dB? -40dB? And of course there are ALL KINDS of other details beyond just this number. Unless the discussion became a whole lot more technical than it has been up to this point it all seems pretty meaningless. From: sbjohns...@aol.com > Most hams know what mode they are running, but few really > know the bandwidth of their signnal. -~ø¤º°º¤ø~-"ßrÿ in FLÕRÎÐÁ"-~ø¤º°º¤ø~- __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
If the -3db point of your AM modulator is say 3600HZ then your signal will be +/- 3600Hz at the -3db point.This is 7200Hz. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > The alarming confusion expressed right here on the AMRADIO mailing list > regarding the occupied bandwidth of a DSB AM signal makes my point > beautifully. Most hams know what mode they are running, but few really > know the bandwidth of their signnal. > > Very few hams have the knowledge, skills, or test equipment to measure > occupied bandwidth anyway, so its use in a bandplan is a meaningless > standard. The common practice of tuning a communications receiver > across a signal is NOT how to measure occupied bandwidth and will > produce misleading results. > > Again, let me emphasize: the present IARU Region 2 bandplan's > bandwidth limitation of 2700 Hz refers to the amount of space used by > the signal on the band, not the range of audio used to modulate the > transmitter. Most DSB AM signals are going to use at least 6 kHz of > spectrum space - most more. > > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
He he - yeah, and unless I missed something nobody has really defined what the parameters are for that "bandwidth" anyway! - 6dB? -40dB? And of course there are ALL KINDS of other details beyond just this number. Unless the discussion became a whole lot more technical than it has been up to this point it all seems pretty meaningless. From: sbjohns...@aol.com > Most hams know what mode they are running, but few really > know the bandwidth of their signnal. -~ø¤º°º¤ø~-"ßrÿ in FLÕRÎÐÁ"-~ø¤º°º¤ø~- __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
That is precisely WHY I posted my earlier message today! Subject: Signal Bandwidth. To lay out what the ENTIRE AM signal is composed of, and by words, describe what it will/would look like, whether you laid it out on a graph with stubby pencil, or were to look at it with a station monitor scope. I use a Kenwood Station Monitor, SM-220, with the BP-8 Panadaptor option. I indeed SEE the signal. I am VERY aware of what the Bandplan looks like, since I downloaded it and certainly have read it. I am concerned where the chips are going to fall. I am also aware of the difference between IARU and the ITU. Bob - N0DGN On 3/10/2010 9:06 PM, sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: > The alarming confusion expressed right here on the AMRADIO mailing list > regarding the occupied bandwidth of a DSB AM signal makes my point > beautifully. Most hams know what mode they are running, but few really > know the bandwidth of their signnal. > > Very few hams have the knowledge, skills, or test equipment to measure > occupied bandwidth anyway, so its use in a bandplan is a meaningless > standard. The common practice of tuning a communications receiver > across a signal is NOT how to measure occupied bandwidth and will > produce misleading results. > > Again, let me emphasize: the present IARU Region 2 bandplan's > bandwidth limitation of 2700 Hz refers to the amount of space used by > the signal on the band, not the range of audio used to modulate the > transmitter. Most DSB AM signals are going to use at least 6 kHz of > spectrum space - most more. > > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- +--+ | AM Amateur Radio OperatorNØDGN | +--+ | http://home.comcast.net/~rbethman/ | +--+ | Bob Bethman\\\|/// " The absence of a danger | | \\ ~ ~ // signal does *NOT* mean | | rbeth...@comcast.net (/ @ @ /) that everything is OK " | +--o00o---°(_)°---o00o-+ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
The alarming confusion expressed right here on the AMRADIO mailing list regarding the occupied bandwidth of a DSB AM signal makes my point beautifully. Most hams know what mode they are running, but few really know the bandwidth of their signnal. Very few hams have the knowledge, skills, or test equipment to measure occupied bandwidth anyway, so its use in a bandplan is a meaningless standard. The common practice of tuning a communications receiver across a signal is NOT how to measure occupied bandwidth and will produce misleading results. Again, let me emphasize: the present IARU Region 2 bandplan's bandwidth limitation of 2700 Hz refers to the amount of space used by the signal on the band, not the range of audio used to modulate the transmitter. Most DSB AM signals are going to use at least 6 kHz of spectrum space - most more. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Jim, I understand what the rules mean, however is seems that some folks feel that the entire emission from AM DSB is 3Kc. I just wanted to "clearly" tell it how it is. What it comes down to, an AM DSB *WILL* exceed 6Kc. That would even be if each sideband is limited to 3Kc in width. This is due to the beginning od the modulation, if at 300cps, would be separated from the carrier by at LEAST that much. I have also posted, with regard to the BC-610s and T-213s, that their audio chains pass about an extra 100cps per sideband. One also has to keep in mind that these were NEVER intended for use outside the military. I wonder what the T-368s do, as they replaced the T-213s in the last version that went out in the communications package. I do not like to assume! We all know where THAT goes. Bob - N0DGN On 3/10/2010 10:23 AM, Jim Tonne wrote: > Bob: > > I am pretty sure that by "bandwidth of 3 kc" they > definitely meant *modulating signal* bandwidth > of 3 kc. > > - Jim W4ENE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bob: I am pretty sure that by "bandwidth of 3 kc" they definitely meant *modulating signal* bandwidth of 3 kc. - Jim W4ENE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Hi Brent: yes I agree. since getting the SDR, now about two mo ago, I see things I never knew were there. probably repeating, but the better sounding AM needs about 4 to 4.5 each side if the receiver can handle that, a lot do not. that is just one reason why I stay out of the 3880 area unless a period of low activity. I was on 3715 last night for about 2.5 hours and ssb started to move in on both sides. I think AMers are much more aware of bandwidth and common courtesy than a lot of ssb. I watch the display and look for a spot that is open for 10 kc, or hopefully more. there is a group that will fire up frequently on 3710 that clearly does not give a damn. they send photos and it is full modulation of the entire bandwidth they are using, about 3 kc, the rx does not like that as much as just ssb. I listened a few days ago to see just who they were, never heard a call sign, however, when talking to each other they used the names BUGGER and LIZARD. Again, yes, I do have my prejudices, but it made me wonder just what sort of photos they were sending, they were talking about a girl with tattoos at one point. At the risk of being told I have an attitude problem, I would likely find a way to QRT if I got a call from BUGGER or mad dog or similar.Bernie - Original Message - From: "Brett Gazdzinski" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan >I usually limit my audio to between 4 and 6 Kc. > I cant hear anything over 3000 Hz anyway, so it all sounds like ssb, even > if > I am not on the radio! > > What I don't like, and what does all AM'ers a disservice is guys who get > on > in prime time, run over 10Kc on both sides of the carrier, using a > multiband > compressor that keeps the entire bandwidth at a high level, and takes out > 4 > other qso's. > > If you take out 25 or 30 KHz and center at 3880, you take out 3765 to > 3895. > > People see that (and with sdr radios, you CAN see it), and think why don't > they ban that crap! > > Brett > N2DTS > > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bernie Doran" > To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" > > Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:50 AM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > > >> reading these comments about bandwidth suggests to me that there are more >> than a few the believe under 3 kc bandwidth is fine for AM as it >> conserves >> space. if so why does one even operate AM? why not use only ssb, psk or >> cw? >> better yet do not operate at all, look at the space saved then!!! I >> thought >> most operated AM because they like the quality of the audio produced. one >> thing the SDR-Iq that I acquired a few months ago does rather well is >> show >> the spectrum, on the local BC stations they seem to limit sharply at a >> total 15 kc. I have watched the male voice spectrum and with the >> exception >> of the S,F and C sounds nearly all is below 5 kc each side. narrowing to >> 3 >> kc with below 300 cutoff turns those same voices into something that is >> not >> really pleasant to listen too. I have noticed the same effect on a few >> that >> are trying AM with a rice box that uses only 300 to about 3kc. the same >> thing can be observed with the ESSB guys on the bottom of 80, they sound >> much better, but still a little strange. >> >> again, this is good reason to operate down low on 80 where there is >> usually >> plenty of room. if there are contests it might be best to simply avoid >> operating, not only to give the contesters a band, but to simply avoid >> the >> QRM created by others. However, there is so much racket no one would >> notice if an AM station was 30 kc wide during the contests. >> >> RE the comments about power, the antenna is far above every thing else, >> listen to what the strong stations are using, rarely does an out of the >> box >> multiband antenna come in at the top of the heap. Dipole, open wire >> feeders >> from a good antenna matching device (balanced link coupled) is the >> simplest >> way to go with a multiband operation. The always perform well.the >> comments about " use only the " necessary power and/or bandwidth" I >> believe >> that to mean full quieting and the audio quality of a person sitting the >> same room with me. It does not mean if I am on a particular freq for an >> hour >> or so and someone decided to operate 1.5 kc away that it is my fault for >> causing QRM to them. some of th
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I usually limit my audio to between 4 and 6 Kc. I cant hear anything over 3000 Hz anyway, so it all sounds like ssb, even if I am not on the radio! What I don't like, and what does all AM'ers a disservice is guys who get on in prime time, run over 10Kc on both sides of the carrier, using a multiband compressor that keeps the entire bandwidth at a high level, and takes out 4 other qso's. If you take out 25 or 30 KHz and center at 3880, you take out 3765 to 3895. People see that (and with sdr radios, you CAN see it), and think why don't they ban that crap! Brett N2DTS - Original Message - From: "Bernie Doran" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 6:50 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > reading these comments about bandwidth suggests to me that there are more > than a few the believe under 3 kc bandwidth is fine for AM as it conserves > space. if so why does one even operate AM? why not use only ssb, psk or > cw? > better yet do not operate at all, look at the space saved then!!! I > thought > most operated AM because they like the quality of the audio produced. one > thing the SDR-Iq that I acquired a few months ago does rather well is show > the spectrum, on the local BC stations they seem to limit sharply at a > total 15 kc. I have watched the male voice spectrum and with the exception > of the S,F and C sounds nearly all is below 5 kc each side. narrowing to 3 > kc with below 300 cutoff turns those same voices into something that is > not > really pleasant to listen too. I have noticed the same effect on a few > that > are trying AM with a rice box that uses only 300 to about 3kc. the same > thing can be observed with the ESSB guys on the bottom of 80, they sound > much better, but still a little strange. > > again, this is good reason to operate down low on 80 where there is > usually > plenty of room. if there are contests it might be best to simply avoid > operating, not only to give the contesters a band, but to simply avoid the > QRM created by others. However, there is so much racket no one would > notice if an AM station was 30 kc wide during the contests. > > RE the comments about power, the antenna is far above every thing else, > listen to what the strong stations are using, rarely does an out of the > box > multiband antenna come in at the top of the heap. Dipole, open wire > feeders > from a good antenna matching device (balanced link coupled) is the > simplest > way to go with a multiband operation. The always perform well.the > comments about " use only the " necessary power and/or bandwidth" I > believe > that to mean full quieting and the audio quality of a person sitting the > same room with me. It does not mean if I am on a particular freq for an > hour > or so and someone decided to operate 1.5 kc away that it is my fault for > causing QRM to them. some of these comments sound similar to those I have > seen where it is believed that we are supposed to be on certain freq ( > channels) . At least there has been a lot of chatter on this topic. that > is good. 73 Bernie > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bernie, I am NOT one whom believes that a 3Kc bandwidth is adequate. The reality is that AM is DSB, Double SideBand, with carrier. So by definition, it MUST occupy more than 6Kc. You have a sideband of audio above the carrier, the carrier, and then the sideband below the carrier. I guess I missed where it was stated that AM is only 3Kc. I know for certain that My Beasts definitely are broader. I just keep from running at whatever it "would" develop if I set it up by the military manual and let her rip! I definitely HATE that nasal pinched audio! Bob - N0DGN On 3/9/2010 7:44 PM, bcarl...@cfl.rr.com wrote: > Bravo Bernie - again, GREAT comments! > > -- > > Best regards - Bry Carling, AF4K > > > Bernie Doran wrote: > >> reading these comments about bandwidth suggests to me that there are more >> than a few the believe under 3 kc bandwidth is fine for AM as it conserves >> space. if so why does one even operate AM? why not use only ssb, psk or cw? >> better yet do not operate at all, look at the space saved then!!! I thought >> most operated AM because they like the quality of the audio produced. one >> thing the SDR-Iq that I acquired a few months ago does rather well is show >> the spectrum, on the local BC stations they seem to limit sharply at a >> total 15 kc. I have watched the male voice spectrum and with the exception >> of the S,F and C sounds nearly all is below 5 kc each side. narrowing to 3 >> kc with below 300 cutoff turns those same voices into something that is not >> really pleasant to listen too. I have noticed the same effect on a few that >> are trying AM with a rice box that uses only 300 to about 3kc. the same >> thing can be observed with the ESSB guys on the bottom of 80, they sound >> much better, but still a little strange. >> >> again, this is good reason to operate down low on 80 where there is usually >> plenty of room. if there are contests it might be best to simply avoid >> operating, not only to give the contesters a band, but to simply avoid the >> QRM created by others. However, there is so much racket no one would >> notice if an AM station was 30 kc wide during the contests. >> >> RE the comments about power, the antenna is far above every thing else, >> listen to what the strong stations are using, rarely does an out of the box >> multiband antenna come in at the top of the heap. Dipole, open wire feeders >> from a good antenna matching device (balanced link coupled) is the simplest >> way to go with a multiband operation. The always perform well.the >> comments about " use only the " necessary power and/or bandwidth" I believe >> that to mean full quieting and the audio quality of a person sitting the >> same room with me. It does not mean if I am on a particular freq for an hour >> or so and someone decided to operate 1.5 kc away that it is my fault for >> causing QRM to them. some of these comments sound similar to those I have >> seen where it is believed that we are supposed to be on certain freq ( >> channels) . At least there has been a lot of chatter on this topic. that >> is good. 73 Bernie >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- +--+ | AM Amateur Radio OperatorNØDGN | +--+ | http://home.comcast.net/~rbethman/ | +--+ | Bob Bethman\\\|/// " The absence of a danger | | \\ ~ ~ // signal does *NOT* mean | | rbeth...@comcast.net (/ @ @ /) that everything is OK " | +--o00o---°(_)°---o00o-+ ___
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bravo Bernie - again, GREAT comments! -- Best regards - Bry Carling, AF4K Bernie Doran wrote: > reading these comments about bandwidth suggests to me that there are more > than a few the believe under 3 kc bandwidth is fine for AM as it conserves > space. if so why does one even operate AM? why not use only ssb, psk or cw? > better yet do not operate at all, look at the space saved then!!! I thought > most operated AM because they like the quality of the audio produced. one > thing the SDR-Iq that I acquired a few months ago does rather well is show > the spectrum, on the local BC stations they seem to limit sharply at a > total 15 kc. I have watched the male voice spectrum and with the exception > of the S,F and C sounds nearly all is below 5 kc each side. narrowing to 3 > kc with below 300 cutoff turns those same voices into something that is not > really pleasant to listen too. I have noticed the same effect on a few that > are trying AM with a rice box that uses only 300 to about 3kc. the same > thing can be observed with the ESSB guys on the bottom of 80, they sound > much better, but still a little strange. > > again, this is good reason to operate down low on 80 where there is usually > plenty of room. if there are contests it might be best to simply avoid > operating, not only to give the contesters a band, but to simply avoid the > QRM created by others. However, there is so much racket no one would > notice if an AM station was 30 kc wide during the contests. > > RE the comments about power, the antenna is far above every thing else, > listen to what the strong stations are using, rarely does an out of the box > multiband antenna come in at the top of the heap. Dipole, open wire feeders > from a good antenna matching device (balanced link coupled) is the simplest > way to go with a multiband operation. The always perform well.the > comments about " use only the " necessary power and/or bandwidth" I believe > that to mean full quieting and the audio quality of a person sitting the > same room with me. It does not mean if I am on a particular freq for an hour > or so and someone decided to operate 1.5 kc away that it is my fault for > causing QRM to them. some of these comments sound similar to those I have > seen where it is believed that we are supposed to be on certain freq ( > channels) . At least there has been a lot of chatter on this topic. that > is good. 73 Bernie > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Only if you tell the world. "Hey, guys, I am running a KW-1 or a 20V-3 or a homebrew pair of 4-1000s." It's a little like the guy who bragged that he had a Porsche or Corvette had never been driven over 60 mph. Sure! David Knepper, W3ST/W3CRA Publisher of the Collins Journal Secretary of the Collins Radio Association www.collinsra.com Join today Nets: 14.263 Mhz, 1900Z, Sundays 3.805 Mhz, 2300Z, Mondays - Original Message - From: "Brett Gazdzinski" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > No, I bet you could run twice the legal power for years and no one would > know... > After all, how can you tell the difference between a good antenna or twice > the power? > > Brett > > > > - Original Message - > From: "D. Chester" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > > >>> I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I >>> set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma, >>> the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP. >>> >> >> There is nothing in Part 97 that says we even have to have instruments >> capable of measuring PEP. They specifically deleted the provision >> requiring >> accurate power measuring instruments when they changed the power limit >> rules, because in the Report and Order they admitted that many hams would >> not be able to ACCURATELY measure output power. >> >> If you are worried about the power you are running, just keep the DC >> input >> at 500 watts or less, or if you think you have good accurate rf power >> output >> measuring capability, run the carrier at 375 watts output. Check the >> envelope pattern on a scope to make sure the negative peaks don't go over >> 100% and that the positive peaks don't flat-top, and run the modulation >> as >> high as you can while still avoiding those extremes. I can't see why some >> people are so nit-picky. If your signal is clean, nobody is going to come >> busting down your door because an occasional voice peak exceeded a >> certain >> limit. >> >> Don k4kyv >> ___ >> >> This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. >> >> http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ >> http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
reading these comments about bandwidth suggests to me that there are more than a few the believe under 3 kc bandwidth is fine for AM as it conserves space. if so why does one even operate AM? why not use only ssb, psk or cw? better yet do not operate at all, look at the space saved then!!! I thought most operated AM because they like the quality of the audio produced. one thing the SDR-Iq that I acquired a few months ago does rather well is show the spectrum, on the local BC stations they seem to limit sharply at a total 15 kc. I have watched the male voice spectrum and with the exception of the S,F and C sounds nearly all is below 5 kc each side. narrowing to 3 kc with below 300 cutoff turns those same voices into something that is not really pleasant to listen too. I have noticed the same effect on a few that are trying AM with a rice box that uses only 300 to about 3kc. the same thing can be observed with the ESSB guys on the bottom of 80, they sound much better, but still a little strange. again, this is good reason to operate down low on 80 where there is usually plenty of room. if there are contests it might be best to simply avoid operating, not only to give the contesters a band, but to simply avoid the QRM created by others. However, there is so much racket no one would notice if an AM station was 30 kc wide during the contests. RE the comments about power, the antenna is far above every thing else, listen to what the strong stations are using, rarely does an out of the box multiband antenna come in at the top of the heap. Dipole, open wire feeders from a good antenna matching device (balanced link coupled) is the simplest way to go with a multiband operation. The always perform well.the comments about " use only the " necessary power and/or bandwidth" I believe that to mean full quieting and the audio quality of a person sitting the same room with me. It does not mean if I am on a particular freq for an hour or so and someone decided to operate 1.5 kc away that it is my fault for causing QRM to them. some of these comments sound similar to those I have seen where it is believed that we are supposed to be on certain freq ( channels) . At least there has been a lot of chatter on this topic. that is good. 73 Bernie __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
You are correct Brett except if anyone ever complained. If your signal is clean and under 6-7 KC they probably wouldn't care because of the fact that the signal at the receiver only moves just a bit with each doubling of power. I believe W6HLH is an example of what you say, as is a number of other stations. A 4 station comes to mind that ran 5KW in the 70s and was never bothered. I just can't recall the call at the moment. Keep the signal clean and don't cause interference and you will be fine. Jim/W5JO - Original Message - > No, I bet you could run twice the legal power for years and no one > would > know... > After all, how can you tell the difference between a good antenna or > twice > the power? > > Brett > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bob wrote: > All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just > use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. True, but DSB AM rig modulated with 300 to 3k audio certainly won't fit into a 2700 Hz segment of the band -that's the problem. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. -Original Message- From: Larry Szendrei To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2010 2:53 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan Bob Macklin wrote: > All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just > use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. > > There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not > supposed to be playing music. > > B All true, Bob. But many of us enjoy listening to, and transmitting, full-fidelity audio. The human voice DOES sound better (to our ears, at least) when we do this. And if there is room on the band when we choose to operate, why the heck shouldn't we? 73, -Larry/NE1S __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Well, there are "those" that I could swear are running a pair of 4-1000As! I could plead ignorance due to not having an adequate device to properly "measure" the PEP output. But then my heart wouldn't be in it. Guess I'm stuck between my conscience and the Beasts! Bob - N0DGN On 3/8/2010 8:46 PM, Brett Gazdzinski wrote: > No, I bet you could run twice the legal power for years and no one would > know... > After all, how can you tell the difference between a good antenna or twice > the power? > > Brett > > > > - Original Message - > From: "D. Chester" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:05 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > > > >>> I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I >>> set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma, >>> the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP. >>> >>> >> There is nothing in Part 97 that says we even have to have instruments >> capable of measuring PEP. They specifically deleted the provision >> requiring >> accurate power measuring instruments when they changed the power limit >> rules, because in the Report and Order they admitted that many hams would >> not be able to ACCURATELY measure output power. >> >> If you are worried about the power you are running, just keep the DC input >> at 500 watts or less, or if you think you have good accurate rf power >> output >> measuring capability, run the carrier at 375 watts output. Check the >> envelope pattern on a scope to make sure the negative peaks don't go over >> 100% and that the positive peaks don't flat-top, and run the modulation as >> high as you can while still avoiding those extremes. I can't see why some >> people are so nit-picky. If your signal is clean, nobody is going to come >> busting down your door because an occasional voice peak exceeded a certain >> limit. >> >> Don k4kyv >> ___ >> >> This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. >> >> http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ >> http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- +--+ | AM Amateur Radio OperatorNØDGN | +--+ | http://home.comcast.net/~rbethman/ | +--+ | Bob Bethman\\\|/// " The absence of a danger | | \\ ~ ~ // signal does *NOT* mean | | rbeth...@comcast.net (/ @ @ /) that everything is OK " | +--o00o---°(_)°---o00o-+ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
No, I bet you could run twice the legal power for years and no one would know... After all, how can you tell the difference between a good antenna or twice the power? Brett - Original Message - From: "D. Chester" To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan >> I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I >> set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma, >> the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP. >> > > There is nothing in Part 97 that says we even have to have instruments > capable of measuring PEP. They specifically deleted the provision > requiring > accurate power measuring instruments when they changed the power limit > rules, because in the Report and Order they admitted that many hams would > not be able to ACCURATELY measure output power. > > If you are worried about the power you are running, just keep the DC input > at 500 watts or less, or if you think you have good accurate rf power > output > measuring capability, run the carrier at 375 watts output. Check the > envelope pattern on a scope to make sure the negative peaks don't go over > 100% and that the positive peaks don't flat-top, and run the modulation as > high as you can while still avoiding those extremes. I can't see why some > people are so nit-picky. If your signal is clean, nobody is going to come > busting down your door because an occasional voice peak exceeded a certain > limit. > > Don k4kyv > ___ > > This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. > > http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ > http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
> The problem is that once the bandplan is adopted, essentially a treaty, > the FCC would eventually need to modify the rules to align with it. > Not true. You are confusing IARU with ITU. The International Telecommunications Union formulates the international treaties that determine what frequencies are to be used by hams, broadcasters, etc. These are mostly hashed out at the WARC conferences that are held every few years. They have little or no concern about the regulations or band plans internal to the amateur bands. That is strictly up to the governments of the individual countries. The IARU is the International Amateur Radio Union. It has exactly the same jurisdiction over the international amateur radio regulations as the ARRL has over the US amateur regulations: zero. It is an advisory body and nothing more. IARU is an umbrella organisation whose membership is made up of the national amateur radio organisations of the various countries. In the US, that's the ARRL. In Canada, it is Industry Canada. In France it is Réseau des Emitteurs Français. And so on. These national amateur radio organisations get together from time to time as a group to coordinate amateur radio activity worldwide so that operations in one country conflict as little as possible with those of other countries. The resulting band plans carry no force of law, and governments of individual countries are under no obligation to formulate their rules to align with the band plans. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
> I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I > set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma, > the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP. > There is nothing in Part 97 that says we even have to have instruments capable of measuring PEP. They specifically deleted the provision requiring accurate power measuring instruments when they changed the power limit rules, because in the Report and Order they admitted that many hams would not be able to ACCURATELY measure output power. If you are worried about the power you are running, just keep the DC input at 500 watts or less, or if you think you have good accurate rf power output measuring capability, run the carrier at 375 watts output. Check the envelope pattern on a scope to make sure the negative peaks don't go over 100% and that the positive peaks don't flat-top, and run the modulation as high as you can while still avoiding those extremes. I can't see why some people are so nit-picky. If your signal is clean, nobody is going to come busting down your door because an occasional voice peak exceeded a certain limit. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
> All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just > use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. > > There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not > supposed to be playing music. > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ There is nothing in the rules that says we have to use "communications grade" audio (the space shuttle sound) on the ham bands. Besides, there IS intelligibility information contained in frequencies above 3 kHz. The frequency range between 3 and 5 kHz contains most of the articulation, or sibilance sounds that make consonants clearly distinguishable from each other. With space shuttle audio, some of this information is lost, and the human brain subconsciously attempts to fill in the missing pieces, so the casual listener may not be aware of what is missing but the message doesn't get through 100%. That explains why SSB operators tend to use phonetics so often. This also causes listener fatigue after a short while. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Yeah but Bob - if you want to make some kind of binding RULE out of that vague requirement then your AM signal should only be 4 kHz wide, because under ideal circumstances the guy on the other end could still understand you. Oh, you might sound rather MUFFLED, but who cares so long as you keep the RULES! While we are at it then, let's tell the CW boys that they can't go over 10 wpm, because that makes their signal too wide. Oh, and I am sure the SSB ops won't mind pinching down to 1.8 kHz after 2010... From: "Bob Macklin" > Try reading Part 97! It says not to use more bandwidth than > necessary. And > 6KC is all that is necessary for AM. We are not supposed to be > pretending > we > are AMBC station. I know some people try. -~ø¤º°º¤ø~-"ßrÿ in FLÕRÎÐÁ"-~ø¤º°º¤ø~- __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
My fau paux! It is setting the Modulator bias. The manual says 40ma. I usually have to dial it down a bit, or REALLY run the audio gain down a good bit. Both my BC-610 and my T-213 put 400W out on pure carrier. So I have to keep from "letting the horse run!". I didn't know what the "actual" PEP out was until I bought the peak reading Bird. It was a Holy Sh** moment! I was a pumping 2500W PEP! I *knew* without question that it was going to draw attention, no matter how clean the signal was! So like those that run Commercial Broadcast Transmitters, I have to run herd over both of them. This Fall makes 30 yrs of being licensed. I got the AM bug when I bid on the Club's HT-37/SX-101A/with a Shure-737A. I kept that setup until the late '80s. I let it go to a school for their science class. It took tears before I found another Shure-737A. I didn't give a big hunk for it. Now I see that these 1954 animals are going for around $350! They are interesting on the inside. There is an actual large crystal that has gold plating on both sides, anchored on one end, while the diaphragm is attached to a lever that flexes the crystal. I sure hope the school got its use out of the old station! Bob - N0DGN On 3/8/2010 5:07 PM, Barrie Smith wrote: > Bob: > > What do you set the resting plate current on your BC-610? > > I run 40 ma on mine, but Eimac recommends 50 ma. > > 73, Barrie, W7ALW __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
mine goes out to about 4.5 kc, the S and F will stretch out to 7 kc, I have no intention of changing it, I look for an area 10 or more wide and then sit in the middle, if I can not find one I do not operate. in spite of that ssb will still move 2-3 kc away and then bitch!! should we all just run CW or PSK. look for me around 3.7 Bernie - Original Message - From: "rbethman" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > I've read it time and time again! > > AM DSB is A3E without question. > > As the discussion I've been having off-list, I'll simply say that *IF* > someone can REALLY pick up the fact that BC-610s and T-213s are running > an extra 100cps on each sideband, then so be it. > > It has been running that way for around nine years at my QTH. I'm not > going to go through and start rebuilding the transmitter's audio chain > to "trim" 100cps. > > I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I > set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma, > the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP. > > It's no different than running a commercial 1KW radio. One has to watch > carefully. The FULL 1KW modulated at 100% will go over the specified > power levels. > > I'm not going to try and find some obscure method, nor hack up a > perfectly good transmitter to trim 100cps. > > Now, how many Johnson Invader 2000s are out there? > > I know of several! > > Bob - N0DGN > >> Try reading Part 97! It says not to use more bandwidth than necessary. >> And >> 6KC is all that is necessary for AM. We are not supposed to be pretending >> we >> are AMBC station. I know some people try. >> >> I just went through Part 97. There is no differentiation between AM and >> SSB. >> It just uses the word PHONE. As far as I know both AM and SSB are A3E >> modulation. >> >> Bob Macklin >> K5MYJ >> Seattle, Wa. >> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" >> > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
No argument with what you said Ted. it is just a sad situation that will probably bring us down. the one thing you left out is that those who have are bound to share with those that do not!!" it's only fair" Bernie- Original Message - From: "Ted Gustafson" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > Bernie, > > I think that it is more of a reflection of our society as a whole now > days. > I want it now, I want it my way, I don't want to have to put forth any > effort to get it and if I have to step on some one else to get it that's > ok > as I'm just looking out for myself. > > Then you put that together with the "I'm from the government and I'm here > to > help" mindset and you have all the regulatory agencies and those who think > they are trying to make it all better by saving the poor uneducated masses > from themselves. After all every bureaucrat public or private needs to > justify their paycheck by doing something real or imagined. > > My take on this is that for the most part if you talk in to the mic to > communicate it's phone use that mode someplace inside the phone portion of > the band. Gentleman's agreements about calling freq or operating in a > particular area of the band are fine and can work. That seem to be a > normal > process of evolution anyway. Does this need to be mandated by anyone? No! > > Bandwidth, you need to know what yours is and make every effort to not QRM > someone who is operating on a adjacent freq. In other words when you do > the > "QRZ is this frequency in use" thing actually listen above and below. > > This is after all a hobby with a history of experimentation with > technology. > We need to keep the older technologies alive and encourage the > experimentation with new and not forget the best way to do that is > communicate with each other. > > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Bernie Doran > wrote: > >> This is nothing but BS. it is all power and money. look at the epa from >> thier start many years ago to now. once you meet the modest goals, the >> only >> way to exist and expand is to expand the goal constantly.any >> organization that publishes any document, however distorted and crazy , >> will >> be pointed too as a standard by somone. The comment that hams in other >> areas wanted arrl to do a band plan has to be a damn lie. how would arrl >> know this? did they get a pettion? who from? lets see it. about every >> month I get the feeling that it is time to get rid of everything. The >> main >> reason I stick with AM is that it is easy to find someone capable of a >> conversation, not to say there are not good conversations on ssb, however >> they are geting few and far between. >> I see and hear too much that sounds like cb. It will be hard to >> convence >> me that this is not the result of the downgraded license requirements. >> Bernie >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bob: What do you set the resting plate current on your BC-610? I run 40 ma on mine, but Eimac recommends 50 ma. 73, Barrie, W7ALW - Original Message - From: "rbethman" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > I've read it time and time again! > > AM DSB is A3E without question. > > As the discussion I've been having off-list, I'll simply say that *IF* > someone can REALLY pick up the fact that BC-610s and T-213s are running > an extra 100cps on each sideband, then so be it. > > It has been running that way for around nine years at my QTH. I'm not > going to go through and start rebuilding the transmitter's audio chain > to "trim" 100cps. > > I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I > set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma, > the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP. > > It's no different than running a commercial 1KW radio. One has to watch > carefully. The FULL 1KW modulated at 100% will go over the specified > power levels. > > I'm not going to try and find some obscure method, nor hack up a > perfectly good transmitter to trim 100cps. > > Now, how many Johnson Invader 2000s are out there? > > I know of several! > > Bob - N0DGN > >> Try reading Part 97! It says not to use more bandwidth than necessary. >> And >> 6KC is all that is necessary for AM. We are not supposed to be pretending >> we >> are AMBC station. I know some people try. >> >> I just went through Part 97. There is no differentiation between AM and >> SSB. >> It just uses the word PHONE. As far as I know both AM and SSB are A3E >> modulation. >> >> Bob Macklin >> K5MYJ >> Seattle, Wa. >> "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" >> > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I agree with Larry here. But I want to know where exactly does it give dimension to bandwidth in Part 97? If what Bob says is true, then it really doesn't matter. No where does it say 2700Hz, 3200HZ, 3500Hz or 6000Hz. My beef with the ARRgghhL is, to paraphrase Nancy Sinatra, "messin' where they shouldn't have been messin'." Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: "Bob Macklin" To: ; "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan Larry/NE1S wrote: But many of us enjoy listening to, and transmitting, full-fidelity > audio. The human voice DOES sound better (to our ears, at least) when we > do this. And if there is room on the band when we choose to operate, why > the heck shouldn't we? > > 73, > -Larry/NE1S > Try reading Part 97! It says not to use more bandwidth than necessary. And 6KC is all that is necessary for AM. We are not supposed to be pretending we are AMBC station. I know some people try. I just went through Part 97. There is no differentiation between AM and SSB. It just uses the word PHONE. As far as I know both AM and SSB are A3E modulation. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I've read it time and time again! AM DSB is A3E without question. As the discussion I've been having off-list, I'll simply say that *IF* someone can REALLY pick up the fact that BC-610s and T-213s are running an extra 100cps on each sideband, then so be it. It has been running that way for around nine years at my QTH. I'm not going to go through and start rebuilding the transmitter's audio chain to "trim" 100cps. I have enough of a time keeping the BEASTs reined in at 1500W PEP. If I set the microphone resting current at the specified in the TM at 40ma, the darn thing WILL hit 2500W PEP. It's no different than running a commercial 1KW radio. One has to watch carefully. The FULL 1KW modulated at 100% will go over the specified power levels. I'm not going to try and find some obscure method, nor hack up a perfectly good transmitter to trim 100cps. Now, how many Johnson Invader 2000s are out there? I know of several! Bob - N0DGN > Try reading Part 97! It says not to use more bandwidth than necessary. And > 6KC is all that is necessary for AM. We are not supposed to be pretending we > are AMBC station. I know some people try. > > I just went through Part 97. There is no differentiation between AM and SSB. > It just uses the word PHONE. As far as I know both AM and SSB are A3E > modulation. > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Larry/NE1S wrote: But many of us enjoy listening to, and transmitting, full-fidelity > audio. The human voice DOES sound better (to our ears, at least) when we > do this. And if there is room on the band when we choose to operate, why > the heck shouldn't we? > > 73, > -Larry/NE1S > Try reading Part 97! It says not to use more bandwidth than necessary. And 6KC is all that is necessary for AM. We are not supposed to be pretending we are AMBC station. I know some people try. I just went through Part 97. There is no differentiation between AM and SSB. It just uses the word PHONE. As far as I know both AM and SSB are A3E modulation. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bob Macklin wrote: > All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just > use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. > > There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not > supposed to be playing music. > > B All true, Bob. But many of us enjoy listening to, and transmitting, full-fidelity audio. The human voice DOES sound better (to our ears, at least) when we do this. And if there is room on the band when we choose to operate, why the heck shouldn't we? 73, -Larry/NE1S __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bob,DGN, You can throttle the above 3 K off with an EQ and not let the transmitter pass the above 3K audio... I run a GATES BC1G which goes out a lot more then 3K but have it throttled off and can run 100% or more positive peaks keeping the negative side down below 100% with a limiter...Robert WW9W runs the same thing with a BC610 and sounds great... Bob W1PE -Original Message- From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of rbethman Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:29 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan This is wonderful in theory. So what are we supposed to do with WWII era equipment such as BC-610s? The entire audio chain goes from 400 to 3500cps. Guess I'll just continue along as I have been doing since I got both of them. I do run a monitor scope, and I know it is clean. I do have to throttle it down with regard to audio gain. If I don't, the PEP out WILL exceed 2000W in a heartbeat! I found this out after finally getting a peak reading Bird. I was hitting 2500W PEP and hadn't known this as earlier I only had to worry about my Amp Supply LK-500ZB. I certainly am NOT running music! The resting carrier is "mighty" close to 400W. Bob - N0DGN On 3/8/2010 2:23 PM, Bob Macklin wrote: > All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just > use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. > > There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not > supposed to be playing music. > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
This is wonderful in theory. So what are we supposed to do with WWII era equipment such as BC-610s? The entire audio chain goes from 400 to 3500cps. Guess I'll just continue along as I have been doing since I got both of them. I do run a monitor scope, and I know it is clean. I do have to throttle it down with regard to audio gain. If I don't, the PEP out WILL exceed 2000W in a heartbeat! I found this out after finally getting a peak reading Bird. I was hitting 2500W PEP and hadn't known this as earlier I only had to worry about my Amp Supply LK-500ZB. I certainly am NOT running music! The resting carrier is "mighty" close to 400W. Bob - N0DGN On 3/8/2010 2:23 PM, Bob Macklin wrote: > All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just > use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. > > There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not > supposed to be playing music. > > Bob Macklin > K5MYJ > Seattle, Wa. > "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Thank you Bob and Thank you Steve...There is NO BIG deal here folks..We do not live by the so called Band Plan...Just operate AM with good operating practices and enjoy HAM RADIO and don't think about band plans... When the FCC starts getting involved then we worry but the US GOV has no time to think about a bunch of HAMS when all they can worry about is about how much money they can take from us in Health Care...Now that is where you should be putting your time and Energy not an AM band plan... Bob WPE -Original Message- From: amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:amradio-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Macklin Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 1:24 PM To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not supposed to be playing music. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > Further response from the ARRL President: > > - - - - - - - - > > Hi Steve, > In the USA we are regulated by the FCC's Rules, not by this band plan. > The > Region 2 band plan cannot require any licensee in the USA to measure > occupied bandwidth for any mode of operation, because it has no > regulatory > force in this country. The Region 2 band plan does not even refer to > measurement of occupied bandwidth. Please don't over-react to the > bandwidth > column. It does not obligate American hams to make any technical > measurements and imposes no burden on us. It is information that is > desired > by Amateurs in some other countries, and that's all. > 73 - Kay N3KN > > - - - - - - - - > > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Why cant you people understand that you can operate AM anywhere you can operate SSB. A calling frequency is just that . A "CALLING FREQUENCY". The East Coast AM group thinks they own 3880. The West Coast group feels the same way about 3870. What's nice to know is where to look for AM operation. I favor 40M operation between 7175 and 7200 because the SWBC is supposed to be gone and that section of 40M is open to generals and above. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" - Original Message - From: "Larry D. Barr, K5WLF" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > In my opinion, the two changes that would make the most improvement to > our hobby would be: > > 1> Cease the marginalization of the AM mode and rightly consider it > another mode of phone operation that should not be limited to any > sub-band or minor portion of the total phone allocation regardless of > the bandwidth that it consumes. (Nobody's attacking the ESSB'ers) > > AND > > 2> Require all contests to be restricted to a portion of all bands of > intended operation so as to preserve an unobstructed area of all bands > for non-contesters. > > Other than that, quit making more stupid rules and leave us alone. > > 73, > ldb > K5WLF > > kj4...@aol.com wrote: >> >> >> Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk >> where you want according to the actual rules. The contesters >> completely demolished entire bands this weekend. If I want to talk >> AM in a phone section, I am going to do it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- From: Gary Blau To: >> Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >> Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38 pm Subject: >> Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan >> >> >> Whether or not this is their goal, (which as you point out isn't >> clear), it is an important point. Ham equipment is manufactured for >> the international market. That means we are at risk of being 'lowest >> common denominatored' into things we really may not want >> domestically, like ROHS standards that sprang from the EU, or the >> Kyoto protocol, carbon taxes, etc., etc. >> >> Any additional bandwidth restrictions in any band plan, even if it >> does not pertain to us as she is saying, makes little sense in >> today's world of SDR rigs, new modes, and rapidly moving technology. >> >> The spectrum should be wide open for experimentation and innovation, >> not artificially micromanaged to death. >> >> Gary W3AM >> >> sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> ...It may also be a effort to drive people to buy new equipment >>> that meets such specifications. For example, a country might say >>> in their ham rules that licensees will follow the IARU bandplan, >>> and use only equipment which meets IARU requirements. That would >>> rule out a lot of old SSB and AM gear, as their published specs do >>> not meet the undefined yet written IARU 2700 Hz requirement. And >>> homebrew would be right out, as the specs are not available on >>> paper somewhere... >>> >>> Steve WD8DAS >> >> __ Our >> Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List >> Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: >> AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to >> amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the >> message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> __ Our >> Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable >> Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List >> Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: >> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: >> AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to >> amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the >> message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/don
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
All that is need for communications grade AM is 300Hz to 3KHz audio. Just use a 6db/octave rolloff at 3KHz. There is not much 3KHz or higher energy in the human voice.And we are not supposed to be playing music. Bob Macklin K5MYJ Seattle, Wa. "Real Radios Glow In The Dark" - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > Further response from the ARRL President: > > - - - - - - - - > > Hi Steve, > In the USA we are regulated by the FCC's Rules, not by this band plan. > The > Region 2 band plan cannot require any licensee in the USA to measure > occupied bandwidth for any mode of operation, because it has no > regulatory > force in this country. The Region 2 band plan does not even refer to > measurement of occupied bandwidth. Please don't over-react to the > bandwidth > column. It does not obligate American hams to make any technical > measurements and imposes no burden on us. It is information that is > desired > by Amateurs in some other countries, and that's all. > 73 - Kay N3KN > > - - - - - - - - > > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
This NOT a matter of ANYONE claiming to be better than anyone else! The comment that: "I see and hear too much that sounds like CB", is the bald truth. This year makes 30 yrs of being licensed under the old system that required code. NO I am NOT saying that it made folks act any better, NOR that we should go back to that time. It is my opinion, ans my feeling, that we as an entire community, act like adults! If that is asking too much, then OOs and FCC listening stations should start cleaning up the mess! Bob - N0DGN On 3/8/2010 1:02 PM, Bernie Doran wrote: > I certainly did not mean to imply that I am better than anyone else, however > the rude and disruptive actions on the bands are far far worse that I ever > saw back when 1950s, 1960s. if we are doing quotes, here is one I like " > if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps the loudest is > the one that got hit".. > - Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:32 AM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > > > >> "Quote: I see and hear too much that sounds like cb.It will be hard to >> convence me that this is not the result of the downgraded license >> requirements." >> >> I hate that "I am better than someone else" attitude no matter where I >> find it. I am "convenced" that mean and people suck. >> >> n0jef >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> >> __ >> Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net >> AMRadio mailing list >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ >> List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html >> List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio >> Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net >> To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with >> the word unsubscribe in the message body. >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > -- +--+ | AM Amateur Radio OperatorNØDGN | +--+ | http://home.comcast.net/~rbethman/ | +--+ | Bob Bethman\\\|/// " The absence of a danger | | \\ ~ ~ // signal does *NOT* mean | | rbeth...@comcast.net (/ @ @ /) that everything is OK " | +--o00o---°(_)°---o00o-+ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Todd, you are correct. The ARRL has been obsessed with spectrum conservation for decades. It might have made some sense at one time. But the compulsion to make every emission as close to knife blade narrow as possible is out of touch with reality now.Not to mention that when I finish using 6, 8 or even 10 KHz for a QSO, the space doesn't go away, it is there for someone else to use, like a just vacated parking space. The ARRL makes it seem like every time a QSO takes place, the spectrum used is consumed and gone forever like oil. Now, we have fewer serious HF users. ARRL likes to trumpet that there are over 600,000 U.S. ham licenses out there but no mention is ever made of how many are SK, shack-on-a-belt VHF hams, XYLs who got tickets to make OM happy but never operate, emergency workers who never operate, people who lost interest due to obstacles such as station cost, technical problems, and lack of elmering, those who operate in the extreme background with PSK31, QRP...I estimate the number of hams in the U.S. who regularly transmit an impact signal on HF to be around 50,000. The ARRL would do well to address the reasons behind the obvious decline in HF activity. They did pretty well working on BPL but now in addition to that, they must work on more serious challenges: Antenna restrictions, and RFI from unintentional emitters that were cheaply made and imported. They must resist their pathological need to control U.S. ham radio and redirect this compulsion to targets where it will benefit the Amateur Radio Service. 73 Rob K5UJ > The bigger issue to me is why there is so much effort being put into > such extensive regulation of the amateur community with less and less > activity on the bands. Rather than encouraging only certain types of > operating modes, the focus should be on operating in general. > > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I certainly did not mean to imply that I am better than anyone else, however the rude and disruptive actions on the bands are far far worse that I ever saw back when 1950s, 1960s. if we are doing quotes, here is one I like " if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that yelps the loudest is the one that got hit".. - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > "Quote: I see and hear too much that sounds like cb.It will be hard to > convence me that this is not the result of the downgraded license > requirements." > > I hate that "I am better than someone else" attitude no matter where I > find it. I am "convenced" that mean and people suck. > > n0jef > > > > > > > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bernie, I think that it is more of a reflection of our society as a whole now days. I want it now, I want it my way, I don't want to have to put forth any effort to get it and if I have to step on some one else to get it that's ok as I'm just looking out for myself. Then you put that together with the "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" mindset and you have all the regulatory agencies and those who think they are trying to make it all better by saving the poor uneducated masses from themselves. After all every bureaucrat public or private needs to justify their paycheck by doing something real or imagined. My take on this is that for the most part if you talk in to the mic to communicate it's phone use that mode someplace inside the phone portion of the band. Gentleman's agreements about calling freq or operating in a particular area of the band are fine and can work. That seem to be a normal process of evolution anyway. Does this need to be mandated by anyone? No! Bandwidth, you need to know what yours is and make every effort to not QRM someone who is operating on a adjacent freq. In other words when you do the "QRZ is this frequency in use" thing actually listen above and below. This is after all a hobby with a history of experimentation with technology. We need to keep the older technologies alive and encourage the experimentation with new and not forget the best way to do that is communicate with each other. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Bernie Doran wrote: > This is nothing but BS. it is all power and money. look at the epa from > thier start many years ago to now. once you meet the modest goals, the only > way to exist and expand is to expand the goal constantly.any > organization that publishes any document, however distorted and crazy , > will > be pointed too as a standard by somone. The comment that hams in other > areas wanted arrl to do a band plan has to be a damn lie. how would arrl > know this? did they get a pettion? who from? lets see it. about every > month I get the feeling that it is time to get rid of everything. The main > reason I stick with AM is that it is easy to find someone capable of a > conversation, not to say there are not good conversations on ssb, however > they are geting few and far between. > I see and hear too much that sounds like cb. It will be hard to convence > me that this is not the result of the downgraded license requirements. > Bernie > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
"Quote: I see and hear too much that sounds like cb.It will be hard to convence me that this is not the result of the downgraded license requirements." I hate that "I am better than someone else" attitude no matter where I find it. I am "convenced" that mean and people suck. n0jef __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
This is nothing but BS. it is all power and money. look at the epa from thier start many years ago to now. once you meet the modest goals, the only way to exist and expand is to expand the goal constantly.any organization that publishes any document, however distorted and crazy , will be pointed too as a standard by somone. The comment that hams in other areas wanted arrl to do a band plan has to be a damn lie. how would arrl know this? did they get a pettion? who from? lets see it. about every month I get the feeling that it is time to get rid of everything. The main reason I stick with AM is that it is easy to find someone capable of a conversation, not to say there are not good conversations on ssb, however they are geting few and far between. I see and hear too much that sounds like cb. It will be hard to convence me that this is not the result of the downgraded license requirements. Bernie __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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Don't forget your Division Directors and Vice Directors. Send them copies of anything you send to anyone directly connected to Newington. Jim/W5JO - Original Message - > > Let's stand up for our mode, my fellow AMers. Don't just send your > comments to the published email addy, but send them individually to > each > member of the Band Plan Committee as well. If we're going to save our > mode, we have to fight for it. Let us not lose it because of apathy. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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" Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk where you want according to the actual rules." The problem is that once the bandplan is adopted, essentially a treaty, the FCC would eventually need to modify the rules to align with it. I'm not sure if the League is so much on a quest to eliminate AM as continuing it's lemming like plodding lowest common denominator thinking which has lead our hobby to the sad state it's in today. Robert A. Poff Loganville, PA Pocket PC Mobile S/V Loon 1983 Hunter 34 Havre de Grace, MD __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
" Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk where you want according to the actual rules." The problem is that once the bandplan is adopted, essentially a treaty, the FCC would eventually need to modify the rules to align with it. I'm not sure if the League is so much on a quest to eliminate AM as continuing it's lemming like plodding lowest common denominator thinking which has lead our hobby to the sad state it's in today. Robert A. Poff Loganville, PA Pocket PC Mobile S/V Loon 1983 Hunter 34 Havre de Grace, MD __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I'll probably word it about like that. I'm in the process of getting my response together and since I'm a firm believer in "call it like you see it" it'll be exactly what I think. Might not make me many friends in Newington. The ARRL seems to be pushing digital modes and contesting and leaving us AMers hanging out to dry. It's time to push back. To let them know that we will no longer permit them to marginalize us. We are simply another mode of phone operation, and entitled to the same consideration, acceptance and respect as any other mode. Without AM, there would be no other phone modes, because they're all derived from AM. SSB is simply AM with some of its parts cut off. Let's stand up for our mode, my fellow AMers. Don't just send your comments to the published email addy, but send them individually to each member of the Band Plan Committee as well. If we're going to save our mode, we have to fight for it. Let us not lose it because of apathy. Yeah, I'm an ARRL appointee, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything they do. I'll go to war to save our mode, and if they want my position over it, they're welcome to it. 73, ldb -- Larry D. Barr, K5WLF PIO, ARRL NTX District 3 SKYWARN Spotter/Net Control Erath County (TX) ARES AEC Erath County (TX) RACES CLO (Alt) Erath County (TX) Emergency Management Website: http://www.rebelwolf.com/ Blog: http://www.rebelwolf.com/blog/ sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: >> quit making more stupid rules and leave us alone. > > That sounds really good - you should send that in an email to the ARRL > at > > bandplan2...@arrl.org > > I encourage everyone on the list to send a note expressing their view > on the band-planning issue. > > 73 > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Larry D. Barr, K5WLF > To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > > Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:02 pm > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > > > In my opinion, the two changes that would make the most improvement to > our hobby would be: > > 1> Cease the marginalization of the AM mode and rightly consider it > another mode of phone operation that should not be limited to any > sub-band or minor portion of the total phone allocation regardless of > the bandwidth that it consumes. (Nobody's attacking the ESSB'ers) > > AND > > 2> Require all contests to be restricted to a portion of all bands of > intended operation so as to preserve an unobstructed area of all bands > for non-contesters. > > Other than that, quit making more stupid rules and leave us alone. > > 73, > ldb > K5WLF > > kj4...@aol.com wrote: >> >> Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk >> where you want according to the actual rules. The contesters >> completely demolished entire bands this weekend. If I want to talk >> AM in a phone section, I am going to do it. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -Original Message- From: Gary Blau To: >> Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service >> Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38 pm Subject: >> Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan >> >> >> Whether or not this is their goal, (which as you point out isn't >> clear), it is an important point. Ham equipment is manufactured for >> the international market. That means we are at risk of being 'lowest >> common denominatored' into things we really may not want >> domestically, like ROHS standards that sprang from the EU, or the >> Kyoto protocol, carbon taxes, etc., etc. >> >> Any additional bandwidth restrictions in any band plan, even if it >> does not pertain to us as she is saying, makes little sense in >> today's world of SDR rigs, new modes, and rapidly moving technology. >> >> The spectrum should be wide open for experimentation and innovation, >> not artificially micromanaged to death. >> >> Gary W3AM >> >> sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: >> >>> ...It may also be a effort to drive people to buy new equipment >>> that meets such specifications. For example, a country might say >>> in their ham rules that licensees will follow the IARU bandplan, >>> and use only equipment which meets IARU requirements. That would >>> rule out a lot of old SSB and AM gear, as their published specs do
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
>quit making more stupid rules and leave us alone. That sounds really good - you should send that in an email to the ARRL at bandplan2...@arrl.org I encourage everyone on the list to send a note expressing their view on the band-planning issue. 73 Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. -Original Message- From: Larry D. Barr, K5WLF To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 11:02 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan In my opinion, the two changes that would make the most improvement to our hobby would be: 1> Cease the marginalization of the AM mode and rightly consider it another mode of phone operation that should not be limited to any sub-band or minor portion of the total phone allocation regardless of the bandwidth that it consumes. (Nobody's attacking the ESSB'ers) AND 2> Require all contests to be restricted to a portion of all bands of intended operation so as to preserve an unobstructed area of all bands for non-contesters. Other than that, quit making more stupid rules and leave us alone. 73, ldb K5WLF kj4...@aol.com wrote: > > > Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk > where you want according to the actual rules. The contesters > completely demolished entire bands this weekend. If I want to talk > AM in a phone section, I am going to do it. > > > > > > > -Original Message- From: Gary Blau To: > Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38 pm Subject: > Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > > > Whether or not this is their goal, (which as you point out isn't > clear), it is an important point. Ham equipment is manufactured for > the international market. That means we are at risk of being 'lowest > common denominatored' into things we really may not want > domestically, like ROHS standards that sprang from the EU, or the > Kyoto protocol, carbon taxes, etc., etc. > > Any additional bandwidth restrictions in any band plan, even if it > does not pertain to us as she is saying, makes little sense in > today's world of SDR rigs, new modes, and rapidly moving technology. > > The spectrum should be wide open for experimentation and innovation, > not artificially micromanaged to death. > > Gary W3AM > > sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: > >> ...It may also be a effort to drive people to buy new equipment >> that meets such specifications. For example, a country might say >> in their ham rules that licensees will follow the IARU bandplan, >> and use only equipment which meets IARU requirements. That would >> rule out a lot of old SSB and AM gear, as their published specs do >> not meet the undefined yet written IARU 2700 Hz requirement. And >> homebrew would be right out, as the specs are not available on >> paper somewhere... >> >> Steve WD8DAS > > __ Our > Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List > Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to > amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the > message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ Our > Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List > Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to > amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the > message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by:
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Fortunately for the Bermuda hams it says "or" in that line: >(b) the amplitude modulation of any transmitter does not exceed one hundred per cent *or* use a bandwidth in excess of 3 kHz; It the line said "and" they could not run DSB AM. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. -Original Message- From: manualman To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:59 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan On my previous post below, if you click on the Bermuda link, you can scroll down to item 39 Measurements, if clicking on the link doesn't take you there directly. Pete, wa2cwa On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:47:56 -0500 manualman writes: Some countries in all three Regions have no equivalent FCC to govern their amateur radio rules and regulations so they rely on IARU guidence. Bermuda is a member of Region 2. You might find their "rules and regulations" interesting especially on AM operation. http://www.bermudashorts.bm/rsb/class3r.htm#Measurements_ Also, ARRL President said: "The Region 2 band plan accommodates DSB AM operation. For example, if you look at the segment 7100 - 7130, you will see a asterisk by the 2700 bandwidth." The 7100-7130 is a typo. The 40 meter segment on the IARU Region 2 band plan that has the asterisk really says 7100-7300. You can click on the current Region 2 band plan here: http://www.iaru-r2.org/band-plan/ Pete, wa2cwa __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
In my opinion, the two changes that would make the most improvement to our hobby would be: 1> Cease the marginalization of the AM mode and rightly consider it another mode of phone operation that should not be limited to any sub-band or minor portion of the total phone allocation regardless of the bandwidth that it consumes. (Nobody's attacking the ESSB'ers) AND 2> Require all contests to be restricted to a portion of all bands of intended operation so as to preserve an unobstructed area of all bands for non-contesters. Other than that, quit making more stupid rules and leave us alone. 73, ldb K5WLF kj4...@aol.com wrote: > > > Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk > where you want according to the actual rules. The contesters > completely demolished entire bands this weekend. If I want to talk > AM in a phone section, I am going to do it. > > > > > > > -Original Message- From: Gary Blau To: > Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service > Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38 pm Subject: > Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > > > Whether or not this is their goal, (which as you point out isn't > clear), it is an important point. Ham equipment is manufactured for > the international market. That means we are at risk of being 'lowest > common denominatored' into things we really may not want > domestically, like ROHS standards that sprang from the EU, or the > Kyoto protocol, carbon taxes, etc., etc. > > Any additional bandwidth restrictions in any band plan, even if it > does not pertain to us as she is saying, makes little sense in > today's world of SDR rigs, new modes, and rapidly moving technology. > > The spectrum should be wide open for experimentation and innovation, > not artificially micromanaged to death. > > Gary W3AM > > sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: > >> ...It may also be a effort to drive people to buy new equipment >> that meets such specifications. For example, a country might say >> in their ham rules that licensees will follow the IARU bandplan, >> and use only equipment which meets IARU requirements. That would >> rule out a lot of old SSB and AM gear, as their published specs do >> not meet the undefined yet written IARU 2700 Hz requirement. And >> homebrew would be right out, as the specs are not available on >> paper somewhere... >> >> Steve WD8DAS > > __ Our > Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List > Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to > amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the > message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ Our > Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable > Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List > Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: > AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to > amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the > message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
On my previous post below, if you click on the Bermuda link, you can scroll down to item 39 Measurements, if clicking on the link doesn't take you there directly. Pete, wa2cwa On Sun, 7 Mar 2010 23:47:56 -0500 manualman writes: Some countries in all three Regions have no equivalent FCC to govern their amateur radio rules and regulations so they rely on IARU guidence. Bermuda is a member of Region 2. You might find their "rules and regulations" interesting especially on AM operation. http://www.bermudashorts.bm/rsb/class3r.htm#Measurements_ Also, ARRL President said: "The Region 2 band plan accommodates DSB AM operation. For example, if you look at the segment 7100 - 7130, you will see a asterisk by the 2700 bandwidth." The 7100-7130 is a typo. The 40 meter segment on the IARU Region 2 band plan that has the asterisk really says 7100-7300. You can click on the current Region 2 band plan here: http://www.iaru-r2.org/band-plan/ Pete, wa2cwa __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Some countries in all three Regions have no equivalent FCC to govern their amateur radio rules and regulations so they rely on IARU guidence. Bermuda is a member of Region 2. You might find their "rules and regulations" interesting especially on AM operation. http://www.bermudashorts.bm/rsb/class3r.htm#Measurements_ Also, ARRL President said: "The Region 2 band plan accommodates DSB AM operation. For example, if you look at the segment 7100 - 7130, you will see a asterisk by the 2700 bandwidth." The 7100-7130 is a typo. The 40 meter segment on the IARU Region 2 band plan that has the asterisk really says 7100-7300. You can click on the current Region 2 band plan here: http://www.iaru-r2.org/band-plan/ Pete, wa2cwa On Sun, 07 Mar 2010 22:19:09 -0500 sbjohns...@aol.com writes: > >seems they are trying to squeeze us into "special segments", > >such as the 30 Kc. segment Kay mentioned, only 5 Kc. of > >which are in the U.S. fone band! > > I'm having trouble understanding what they are trying to accomplish. > > Maybe it is just a matter of power and control by people who think > they > are bigshots. The regulation by bandwidth business is certainly > about > control. But why bother? As others have said well, regulations > increase while fewer and fewer hams actually get on the air. > > It may also be a effort to drive people to buy new equipment that > meets > such specifications. For example, a country might say in their ham > > rules that licensees will follow the IARU bandplan, and use only > equipment which meets IARU requirements. That would rule out a lot > of > old SSB and AM gear, as their published specs do not meet the > undefined > yet written IARU 2700 Hz requirement. And homebrew would be right > out, > as the specs are not available on paper somewhere. > > Steve WD8DAS > > > > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net > with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Band plan sand plan - thank God they are plans not rules. Talk where you want according to the actual rules. The contesters completely demolished entire bands this weekend. If I want to talk AM in a phone section, I am going to do it. -Original Message- From: Gary Blau To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 10:38 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan Whether or not this is their goal, (which as you point out isn't clear), it is an important point. Ham equipment is manufactured for the international market. That means we are at risk of being 'lowest common denominatored' into things we really may not want domestically, like ROHS standards that sprang from the EU, or the Kyoto protocol, carbon taxes, etc., etc. Any additional bandwidth restrictions in any band plan, even if it does not pertain to us as she is saying, makes little sense in today's world of SDR rigs, new modes, and rapidly moving technology. The spectrum should be wide open for experimentation and innovation, not artificially micromanaged to death. Gary W3AM sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: > ...It may also be a effort to drive people to buy new equipment that meets > such specifications. For example, a country might say in their ham > rules that licensees will follow the IARU bandplan, and use only > equipment which meets IARU requirements. That would rule out a lot of > old SSB and AM gear, as their published specs do not meet the undefined > yet written IARU 2700 Hz requirement. And homebrew would be right out, > as the specs are not available on paper somewhere... > > Steve WD8DAS __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Whether or not this is their goal, (which as you point out isn't clear), it is an important point. Ham equipment is manufactured for the international market. That means we are at risk of being 'lowest common denominatored' into things we really may not want domestically, like ROHS standards that sprang from the EU, or the Kyoto protocol, carbon taxes, etc., etc. Any additional bandwidth restrictions in any band plan, even if it does not pertain to us as she is saying, makes little sense in today's world of SDR rigs, new modes, and rapidly moving technology. The spectrum should be wide open for experimentation and innovation, not artificially micromanaged to death. Gary W3AM sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: > ...It may also be a effort to drive people to buy new equipment that meets > such specifications. For example, a country might say in their ham > rules that licensees will follow the IARU bandplan, and use only > equipment which meets IARU requirements. That would rule out a lot of > old SSB and AM gear, as their published specs do not meet the undefined > yet written IARU 2700 Hz requirement. And homebrew would be right out, > as the specs are not available on paper somewhere... > > Steve WD8DAS __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
>seems they are trying to squeeze us into "special segments", >such as the 30 Kc. segment Kay mentioned, only 5 Kc. of >which are in the U.S. fone band! I'm having trouble understanding what they are trying to accomplish. Maybe it is just a matter of power and control by people who think they are bigshots. The regulation by bandwidth business is certainly about control. But why bother? As others have said well, regulations increase while fewer and fewer hams actually get on the air. It may also be a effort to drive people to buy new equipment that meets such specifications. For example, a country might say in their ham rules that licensees will follow the IARU bandplan, and use only equipment which meets IARU requirements. That would rule out a lot of old SSB and AM gear, as their published specs do not meet the undefined yet written IARU 2700 Hz requirement. And homebrew would be right out, as the specs are not available on paper somewhere. Steve WD8DAS __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Bernie, you're so right. The issue is really the attempt to regulate by bandwidth. Setting limits will certainly lead to yet more stress and grief between hams, but is meaningless unless you measure it properly. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. -Original Message- From: Bernie Doran To: Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service Sent: Sun, Mar 7, 2010 8:04 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan This does not sound like it is going well, 6kc, might as well go to ssb. I always object to small groups coming up with " great ideas" to help the rest of us. arrl does not represent me or the majority of hams. lets see, we can not eat fat food, salt, burn gasoline, etc. etc. all a suggested 6kc bandwidth will do is produce more comments from those that immeadiatly think it is law, after all "I saw it on the internet" guess my KWS1 is also no good as it is 3.1 kc . Bernie - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > In addition to sending my comments to the feedback email address > provided, I also wrote directly to League officials, and received a > reply from the President, Kay N3KN. > > - - - - - - - - > Thank you for your comments. The Region 2 band plan accommodates DSB AM > operation. For example, if you look at the segment 7100 - 7130, you > will see a asterisk by the 2700 bandwidth. Then scroll to the bottom of > the entire chart to find the reference for that asterisk, which says, > "DSB AM allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz." > The omission of the AM calling frequency on 80 meters was accidental > and will be remedied in > the revision. > > The Region 2 band plan is not part of the FCC's Rules and has no > regulatory effect upon us in the USA. The current version does not and > the revised version will not have any adverse effect upon your > enjoyment of the Amateur bands using the modes you and your friends > prefer. > > Kay N3KN > - - - - - - - - > > I replied... > > - - - - - - - - > > Kay - > > Thank you for your reply. Your response doesn't really address my > concerns, as I'm not calling for some sort of special "exception" for > certain modes. Sounds like you've prepared well for complaints from the > AM community, but I question the whole business segregation by > bandwidth. > > How many hams do you know that can measure occupied bandwidth in their > shack? Can you? > > Or do you rely upon the type of mode (CW, computer, voice, etc) to > decide where best to operate? I'm betting that you, like 99% of hams, > are not measuring their bandwidth but instead making assumptions based > on modes-compatibility. > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
My further response to the ARRL President: - - - - - - - Kay wrote: >The Region 2 band plan does not even refer to >measurement of occupied bandwidth. What is the point of assigning a maximum bandwidth to the various band segments if it is not a measured bandwidth? A parallel example: A speed limit sign on the side of the highway is meant to be used in combination with the speedometer in your car. If automobiles were not equipped with speedometers, would speed limit signs be posted? Assigning a max bandwidth will invariably result in claims that someone is "wider" than the allowed maximum. Thus my earlier concern about creating unnecessary stress and contention among amateurs. >Please don't over-react to the bandwidth column. Does the ARRL want my feedback, or not? In your first email reply you seemed to be trying to convince me I'm wrong, and now you are suggesting that I am "over-reacting" and shouldn't worry. Why do you feel to you have "defend" the IARU Region 2 bandplan and argue in support of the present plan? I thought it was open to discussion. > It does not obligate American hams If the IARU Region 2 bandplan means nothing to American hams, why, in fact, is the ARRL even working on it? Why ask members for their feedback on the bandplan? It is the *American* Radio Relay League, after all. If, on the other hand, the ARRL has a significant play in the Region 2 bandplan, then as a member of the League I would think that my views would be welcomed - not rejected out of hand as wrong. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. - - - - - - - __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Further response from the ARRL President: - - - - - - - - Hi Steve, In the USA we are regulated by the FCC's Rules, not by this band plan. The Region 2 band plan cannot require any licensee in the USA to measure occupied bandwidth for any mode of operation, because it has no regulatory force in this country. The Region 2 band plan does not even refer to measurement of occupied bandwidth. Please don't over-react to the bandwidth column. It does not obligate American hams to make any technical measurements and imposes no burden on us. It is information that is desired by Amateurs in some other countries, and that's all. 73 - Kay N3KN - - - - - - - - Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
This means no AM in 7125 to 7130 for USA, she probably does not even know what bandwidth means!! of course we have a lot of ssb that thinks lower sidband 1/2 kc above the band edge is fine. next we need freq. guidelines for nets, and how about contests, like the one just finished. if they really wanted to do something make it all modes anywhere within the band, the ops will sort it out and operate where they like. I just remembered they also have " guidelines for qrp freq". don't they? Bernie - Original Message - From: "Mike Sawyer" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > What the hell is with this 2700 Hz bandwidth crap? I tickle the SSB > exciter > every now and then and I find that I don't like listening to "nasal drip" > audio, even in slop-bucket mode. If these are 'guidelines' as purported > last > go`around, then why even mess with it? It seems that this group just wants > to fart around where it doesn't need to go in order to prove their own > self > worth! > Mod-U-Lator, > Mike(y) > W3SLK > > ----- Original Message - > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:36 PM > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > > > In addition to sending my comments to the feedback email address > provided, I also wrote directly to League officials, and received a > reply from the President, Kay N3KN. > > - - - - - - - - > Thank you for your comments. The Region 2 band plan accommodates DSB AM > operation. For example, if you look at the segment 7100 - 7130, you > will see a asterisk by the 2700 bandwidth. Then scroll to the bottom of > the entire chart to find the reference for that asterisk, which says, > "DSB AM allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz." > The omission of the AM calling frequency on 80 meters was accidental > and will be remedied in > the revision. > > The Region 2 band plan is not part of the FCC's Rules and has no > regulatory effect upon us in the USA. The current version does not and > the revised version will not have any adverse effect upon your > enjoyment of the Amateur bands using the modes you and your friends > prefer. > > Kay N3KN > - - - - - - - - > > I replied... > > - - - - - - - - > > Kay - > > Thank you for your reply. Your response doesn't really address my > concerns, as I'm not calling for some sort of special "exception" for > certain modes. Sounds like you've prepared well for complaints from the > AM community, but I question the whole business segregation by > bandwidth. > > How many hams do you know that can measure occupied bandwidth in their > shack? Can you? > > Or do you rely upon the type of mode (CW, computer, voice, etc) to > decide where best to operate? I'm betting that you, like 99% of hams, > are not measuring their bandwidth but instead making assumptions based > on modes-compatibility. > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
This does not sound like it is going well, 6kc, might as well go to ssb. I always object to small groups coming up with " great ideas" to help the rest of us. arrl does not represent me or the majority of hams. lets see, we can not eat fat food, salt, burn gasoline, etc. etc. all a suggested 6kc bandwidth will do is produce more comments from those that immeadiatly think it is law, after all "I saw it on the internet" guess my KWS1 is also no good as it is 3.1 kc . Bernie - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > In addition to sending my comments to the feedback email address > provided, I also wrote directly to League officials, and received a > reply from the President, Kay N3KN. > > - - - - - - - - > Thank you for your comments. The Region 2 band plan accommodates DSB AM > operation. For example, if you look at the segment 7100 - 7130, you > will see a asterisk by the 2700 bandwidth. Then scroll to the bottom of > the entire chart to find the reference for that asterisk, which says, > "DSB AM allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz." > The omission of the AM calling frequency on 80 meters was accidental > and will be remedied in > the revision. > > The Region 2 band plan is not part of the FCC's Rules and has no > regulatory effect upon us in the USA. The current version does not and > the revised version will not have any adverse effect upon your > enjoyment of the Amateur bands using the modes you and your friends > prefer. > > Kay N3KN > - - - - - - - - > > I replied... > > - - - - - - - - > > Kay - > > Thank you for your reply. Your response doesn't really address my > concerns, as I'm not calling for some sort of special "exception" for > certain modes. Sounds like you've prepared well for complaints from the > AM community, but I question the whole business segregation by > bandwidth. > > How many hams do you know that can measure occupied bandwidth in their > shack? Can you? > > Or do you rely upon the type of mode (CW, computer, voice, etc) to > decide where best to operate? I'm betting that you, like 99% of hams, > are not measuring their bandwidth but instead making assumptions based > on modes-compatibility. > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
What the hell is with this 2700 Hz bandwidth crap? I tickle the SSB exciter every now and then and I find that I don't like listening to "nasal drip" audio, even in slop-bucket mode. If these are 'guidelines' as purported last go`around, then why even mess with it? It seems that this group just wants to fart around where it doesn't need to go in order to prove their own self worth! Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan In addition to sending my comments to the feedback email address provided, I also wrote directly to League officials, and received a reply from the President, Kay N3KN. - - - - - - - - Thank you for your comments. The Region 2 band plan accommodates DSB AM operation. For example, if you look at the segment 7100 - 7130, you will see a asterisk by the 2700 bandwidth. Then scroll to the bottom of the entire chart to find the reference for that asterisk, which says, "DSB AM allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz." The omission of the AM calling frequency on 80 meters was accidental and will be remedied in the revision. The Region 2 band plan is not part of the FCC's Rules and has no regulatory effect upon us in the USA. The current version does not and the revised version will not have any adverse effect upon your enjoyment of the Amateur bands using the modes you and your friends prefer. Kay N3KN - - - - - - - - I replied... - - - - - - - - Kay - Thank you for your reply. Your response doesn't really address my concerns, as I'm not calling for some sort of special "exception" for certain modes. Sounds like you've prepared well for complaints from the AM community, but I question the whole business segregation by bandwidth. How many hams do you know that can measure occupied bandwidth in their shack? Can you? Or do you rely upon the type of mode (CW, computer, voice, etc) to decide where best to operate? I'm betting that you, like 99% of hams, are not measuring their bandwidth but instead making assumptions based on modes-compatibility. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 8:09 PM, jon baker wrote: > All > I agree with Steve, seems they are trying to squeeze > us into "special segments", such as the 30 Kc. segment > Kay mentioned, only 5 Kc. of which are in the U.S. fone > band! Sadly, some in our community have added to this over recent years by referring to AM as a 'Legacy mode' or 'specialty' mode. Others insist on specifying a certain few frequencies as 'AM territory'. They're getting what they screamed for. The bigger issue to me is why there is so much effort being put into such extensive regulation of the amateur community with less and less activity on the bands. Rather than encouraging only certain types of operating modes, the focus should be on operating in general. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
All I agree with Steve, seems they are trying to squeeze us into "special segments", such as the 30 Kc. segment Kay mentioned, only 5 Kc. of which are in the U.S. fone band! Great comment, and reply. AD5HR Jon p.s. Steve, Been running what I call a T-6, a take-off of your T-5. Single 5763 driven with a 6C4, modulated with a pair of 6AQ5's. A Talking Two Tube Tuna Tin Transmitter! Puts out 6W carrier, and I finally figured out how to load up the SB-221 to get abt 90 W. of carrier. On daily on 3.880. --- On Sun, 3/7/10, sbjohns...@aol.com wrote: > From: sbjohns...@aol.com > Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > To: amradio@mailman.qth.net > Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 6:36 PM > In addition to sending my comments to > the feedback email address > provided, I also wrote directly to League officials, and > received a > reply from the President, Kay N3KN. > > - - - - - - - - > Thank you for your comments. The Region 2 band plan > accommodates DSB AM > operation. For example, if you look at the segment 7100 - > 7130, you > will see a asterisk by the 2700 bandwidth. Then scroll to > the bottom of > the entire chart to find the reference for that asterisk, > which says, > "DSB AM allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of > 6 kHz." > The omission of the AM calling frequency on 80 meters was > accidental > and will be remedied in > the revision. > > The Region 2 band plan is not part of the FCC's Rules and > has no > regulatory effect upon us in the USA. The current version > does not and > the revised version will not have any adverse effect upon > your > enjoyment of the Amateur bands using the modes you and your > friends > prefer. > > Kay N3KN > - - - - - - - - > > I replied... > > - - - - - - - - > > Kay - > > Thank you for your reply. Your response doesn't really > address my > concerns, as I'm not calling for some sort of special > "exception" for > certain modes. Sounds like you've prepared well for > complaints from the > AM community, but I question the whole business segregation > by > bandwidth. > > How many hams do you know that can measure occupied > bandwidth in their > shack? Can you? > > Or do you rely upon the type of mode (CW, computer, voice, > etc) to > decide where best to operate? I'm betting that you, like > 99% of hams, > are not measuring their bandwidth but instead making > assumptions based > on modes-compatibility. > > Steve WD8DAS > > sbjohns...@aol.com > http://www.wd8das.net/ > > Radio is your best entertainment value. > > > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net > with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
In addition to sending my comments to the feedback email address provided, I also wrote directly to League officials, and received a reply from the President, Kay N3KN. - - - - - - - - Thank you for your comments. The Region 2 band plan accommodates DSB AM operation. For example, if you look at the segment 7100 - 7130, you will see a asterisk by the 2700 bandwidth. Then scroll to the bottom of the entire chart to find the reference for that asterisk, which says, "DSB AM allowed in this segment with a maximum bandwidth of 6 kHz." The omission of the AM calling frequency on 80 meters was accidental and will be remedied in the revision. The Region 2 band plan is not part of the FCC's Rules and has no regulatory effect upon us in the USA. The current version does not and the revised version will not have any adverse effect upon your enjoyment of the Amateur bands using the modes you and your friends prefer. Kay N3KN - - - - - - - - I replied... - - - - - - - - Kay - Thank you for your reply. Your response doesn't really address my concerns, as I'm not calling for some sort of special "exception" for certain modes. Sounds like you've prepared well for complaints from the AM community, but I question the whole business segregation by bandwidth. How many hams do you know that can measure occupied bandwidth in their shack? Can you? Or do you rely upon the type of mode (CW, computer, voice, etc) to decide where best to operate? I'm betting that you, like 99% of hams, are not measuring their bandwidth but instead making assumptions based on modes-compatibility. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
If AM'ers feel that strongly against "AM calling frequency" designations, they should petition the ARRL and the IARU to remove all of them from their respective band plans. Personally, calling frequencies mean little to me on the HF bands. I never use them. The casual AM'er just needs to wander the bands looking for carriers or just plop down somewhere in the phone band and call CQ. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 17:07:46 -0500 "Bernie Doran" writes: > perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain how a " 3885 calling > freq." > would work for me. I am at 3700 or 3705 80% of the time! just came > back to > the house and there were three AM ers down in that area of the band, > minimal > QRM and no SSB jammers, try it sometime. Bernie __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain how a " 3885 calling freq." would work for me. I am at 3700 or 3705 80% of the time! just came back to the house and there were three AM ers down in that area of the band, minimal QRM and no SSB jammers, try it sometime. Bernie - Original Message - From: "Jim Tonne" To: "Discussion of AM Radio in the Amateur Service" Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan > > Pete: > > Yes, you are right. Now that I have given it a > bit more thought, that *was* a *calling* > frequency. > > Which I find equally stupid, however, for the > usual, casual, rag-chewing AM operator ! > > I will confess I have an ARC-5 receiver sitting > on 3885. It also monitors 3870 on up to 3895, > with no tuning adjustment needed! :-) > > - Jim W4ENE > > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Pete: Yes, you are right. Now that I have given it a bit more thought, that *was* a *calling* frequency. Which I find equally stupid, however, for the usual, casual, rag-chewing AM operator ! I will confess I have an ARC-5 receiver sitting on 3885. It also monitors 3870 on up to 3895, with no tuning adjustment needed! :-) - Jim W4ENE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Of course, a "calling frequency" is different then an "operating frequency". And, a "calling frequency" is a suggestion, not a mandate. Pete, wa2cwa On Sat, 6 Mar 2010 14:02:38 -0500 "Jim Tonne" writes: > And having a single frequency (for > example 3885) for AM is the height of > stupidity. > > This kind of thinking has got to come to a > halt! > > - JimT W4ENE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Here's my feedback on the present Region 2 bandplan. I submitted it to bandplan2...@arrl.org as was requested... - - - - - - - - - - - ARRL - Feedback on IARU Region 2 bandplan The actual need for bandplans has not been established, but if we accept that one is desired, a bandplan should recommend *modes* for segments, not signal bandwidths. Most hams know what mode they are running, but few really know the bandwidths involved. Very few hams have the knowledge, skills, or test equipment to measure occupied bandwidth anyway, so its use in a bandplan is a meaningless standard. The common practice of tuning a communications receiver across a signal is NOT how to measure occupied bandwidth and will produce misleading results. The present Region 2 bandplan's bandwidth limitation to 2700 Hz in most phone and image segments is especially inappropriate. It unnecessarily excludes some modes, particularly the DSB AM mode which is growing in popularity. I am VERY much against such limits - tight regulation and restrictions like these goes completely against the experimental and innovative aspects of ham radio. I feel we need no such plans restricting operation by bandwidth. Bandplans like this have a history of increasing the stress among amateurs with arguments and finger-pointing. I think it is vital to avoid tight restriction and limitation which could hinder our future options. We should err on the side of flexibility and less restrictions, rather than more and tighter controls that eliminate future choices. If we are to remain viable as an organized hobby we've got to be open to a wide variety of modes, both old and new. Steve Johnston, WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com - - - - - - - - - - - __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I don't trust the ARRgghhL! No way, no how! Just my 50¢ worth. Mod-U-Lator, Mike(y) W3SLK == Remember in 2007- 2008 when the ARRL backed down from their attempt to get FCC regulation by bandwidth? At that time we heard a League official state that "we needn't expect a further effort by the ARRL to get bandwidth controls into FCC rules for at least two years - not until the League had a chance to "educate" the members and other amateurs on the matter and "get them on-board". Now in early 2010 that amount of time has passed and the IARU plan is under review - interesting. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
From: "Jim Tonne" > ARRL is publishing stuff about AM. This > must mean they are not against it. And if > that's the case then they had better not argue > in favor of 3 kc bandwidth limitation. That > would like shooting themselves in the foot. ...and we all know that the ARRL would never do something like that! : - ) -~ø¤º°º¤ø~-"ßrÿ in FLÕRÎÐÁ"-~ø¤º°º¤ø~- __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Steve wrote in part: > Now in early 2010 that amount of time has passed and the > IARU plan is under review - interesting. ARRL is publishing stuff about AM. This must mean they are not against it. And if that's the case then they had better not argue in favor of 3 kc bandwidth limitation. That would like shooting themselves in the foot. It is my understanding that some one of the "biggies" in the ARRL argued for a 1500 watt PEP limitation and got that through the FCC. I think this was the same fellow that wanted a 3 kc bandwidth limitation. And having a single frequency (for example 3885) for AM is the height of stupidity. This kind of thinking has got to come to a halt! - JimT W4ENE __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Remember in 2007- 2008 when the ARRL backed down from their attempt to get FCC regulation by bandwidth? At that time we heard a League official state that "we needn't expect a further effort by the ARRL to get bandwidth controls into FCC rules for at least two years - not until the League had a chance to "educate" the members and other amateurs on the matter and "get them on-board". Now in early 2010 that amount of time has passed and the IARU plan is under review - interesting. Steve WD8DAS sbjohns...@aol.com http://www.wd8das.net/ Radio is your best entertainment value. -Original Message- From: D. Chester To: amradio@mailman.qth.net Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2010 1:36 pm Subject: Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan I haven't attempted to formulate a response yet, but two things immediately come to mind. One, the bandwidth issue. The Region 1 plan specifically accommodates AM on any phone frequency despite nominal maximum bandwidths posted in the chart. This is conspicuously absent from the current Region 2 plan. Two, 40m. Although this would take FCC action to correct in the USA, phone/cw segregation should be more closely aligned with that of the other regions. Specifically, in light of the removal of (most) broadcast stations from 7100-7200, the N. American band plan should accommodate phone down AT LEAST to 7100 kHz. (Most other Region 2 countries are already operating phone well below 7100 anyway). This would apply immediately to Canada, Mexico and other countries in the Americas, since nearly every country in the world, except for the U.S., long ago phased out government-mandated subbands. It is ridiculous that 25% of the newly-vacated frequencies are off limits to US phone operators, yet at best there are hardly ever more than a half dozen or so CW/RTTY/data QSO's on 7100-7125 at any given moment, while 7060-7100 remains under-used by U.S. non-phone ops as well. SSB ops are fond of complaining about AM activity in the vicinity of 7160 because of the "limited band space" to operate phone in the newly vacated segment. We need to be thinking of a petition to the FCC to further expand the 40m phone band. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
This is irrelevant to the current proposed action on the table. If you want to write a proposal to the FCC, have at it. It doesn't take a broad consensus of amateurs to push a proposal before the eyes of the FCC. Pete, wa2cwa On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 13:36:07 -0600 "D. Chester" writes: > Two, 40m. Although this would take FCC action to correct in the USA, > > phone/cw segregation should be more closely aligned with that of the > other > regions. Specifically, in light of the removal of (most) broadcast > stations > from 7100-7200, the N. American band plan should accommodate phone > down AT > LEAST to 7100 kHz. (Most other Region 2 countries are already > operating > phone well below 7100 anyway). > > This would apply immediately to Canada, Mexico and other countries > in the > Americas, since nearly every country in the world, except for the > U.S., long > ago phased out government-mandated subbands. > > It is ridiculous that 25% of the newly-vacated frequencies are off > limits to > US phone operators, yet at best there are hardly ever more than a > half dozen > or so CW/RTTY/data QSO's on 7100-7125 at any given moment, while > 7060-7100 > remains under-used by U.S. non-phone ops as well. SSB ops are fond > of > complaining about AM activity in the vicinity of 7160 because of the > > "limited band space" to operate phone in the newly vacated segment. > We need > to be thinking of a petition to the FCC to further expand the 40m > phone > band. > > Don k4kyv > ___ > > This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. > > http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ > http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ > > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net > with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
I haven't attempted to formulate a response yet, but two things immediately come to mind. One, the bandwidth issue. The Region 1 plan specifically accommodates AM on any phone frequency despite nominal maximum bandwidths posted in the chart. This is conspicuously absent from the current Region 2 plan. Two, 40m. Although this would take FCC action to correct in the USA, phone/cw segregation should be more closely aligned with that of the other regions. Specifically, in light of the removal of (most) broadcast stations from 7100-7200, the N. American band plan should accommodate phone down AT LEAST to 7100 kHz. (Most other Region 2 countries are already operating phone well below 7100 anyway). This would apply immediately to Canada, Mexico and other countries in the Americas, since nearly every country in the world, except for the U.S., long ago phased out government-mandated subbands. It is ridiculous that 25% of the newly-vacated frequencies are off limits to US phone operators, yet at best there are hardly ever more than a half dozen or so CW/RTTY/data QSO's on 7100-7125 at any given moment, while 7060-7100 remains under-used by U.S. non-phone ops as well. SSB ops are fond of complaining about AM activity in the vicinity of 7160 because of the "limited band space" to operate phone in the newly vacated segment. We need to be thinking of a petition to the FCC to further expand the 40m phone band. Don k4kyv ___ This message was typed using the DVORAK keyboard layout. http://www.mwbrooks.com/dvorak/ http://gigliwood.com/abcd/ __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
Actually AM is true (radiotele)phone; SSB is wildly changing CW in frequency and amplitude beating against an oscillator in the receiver. : ) rob k5uj On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Todd, KA1KAQ wrote: > On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Bry Carling wrote: >> We should try to get them to include language stating that AM may >> be used ANYWHERE that other amplitude modulated telephony modes >> such as SB are allowed, > > This is easily covered by using the term 'phone' rather than > separating AM and trying to make it some 'specialty' that somehow > deserves special treatment or special frequencies. The more we try to > stand out, the easier we make it for others to make AM some kind of > exception. > > After all, SSB is really just reduced AM, filtering the carrier and > one sideband. Phone is fone is phone. > > ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 > __ > Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net > AMRadio mailing list > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ > List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html > List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio > Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net > To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with > the word unsubscribe in the message body. > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 7:03 AM, Bry Carling wrote: > We should try to get them to include language stating that AM may > be used ANYWHERE that other amplitude modulated telephony modes > such as SB are allowed, This is easily covered by using the term 'phone' rather than separating AM and trying to make it some 'specialty' that somehow deserves special treatment or special frequencies. The more we try to stand out, the easier we make it for others to make AM some kind of exception. After all, SSB is really just reduced AM, filtering the carrier and one sideband. Phone is fone is phone. ~ Todd, KA1KAQ/4 __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
As always, everyone has an opinion. Mine is that this is not a calling frequency, as it is certainly not utilized that way. it is a common area for AM to " hang out" I feel that it should not even be mentioned as the is no " SSB or CW " calling frequency, this only gives rogue ssb ops a chance to squawk that we are off freq. That said I almost never operate in that region as there is simply too much QRM, much better at the low end of the band, I find a lot of contacts from 3685 to 3725. Bernie - Original Message - From: "screwdriver" To: Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 11:08 PM Subject: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan ARRL Seeks Input for New IARU Region 2 Band Plan The International Amateur Radio Region 2 (IARU R2) conference -- held later this year in El Salvador -- brings together delegations from the national Amateur Radio Societies in the Western Hemisphere. One of the topics on the agenda will be the Region 2 HF band plan. This band plan is "harmonized with" -- spectrum management-speak for "very similar to" -- the IARU Region 1 and Region 3 band plans. According to ARRL President Kay Craigie, N3KN, many hams in the USA probably did not know there was such as thing as a Region 2 band plan until recently. Now, however, many more American hams have heard of it, but may not know how -- if at all -- this band plan affects them. Here are important facts for American hams to keep in mind: IARU band plans are voluntary guidelines. They do not have the force of FCC regulations. It would be inappropriate to incorporate Region 2 band plans into the FCC rules, and the ARRL has no plan to petition the FCC to do so. Most other countries do not have the detailed sub-band regulations that are in Part 97 of the FCC Rules; for amateurs in those countries, IARU band plans offer the only guidance on frequency use. The recognition of a calling frequency or band segment for a particular purpose or mode in the IARU band plan does not convey any special rights or exclusivity of use. A new, more transparent procedure will be followed this year for considering possible changes to the Region 2 band plan. The ARRL is cooperating with this procedure by inviting input to be sent to the ARRL Board of Directors' Band Planning Committee. The committee will review the existing Region 2 band plan, consider input from the amateur community and make recommendations to the ARRL Board for submission to IARU Region 2. The inadvertent omission of the AM center of activity frequency (calling frequency) -- 3.885 MHz on 80 meters -- has already been noted, and this will be one of the recommended revisions. The deadline line set by Region 2 for gathering input and formulating recommendations is rather short. Amateurs who would like to submit input should take the following steps: First, study the existing IARU Region 2 band plan posted on the Region 2 Web site. The Region 1 and Region 3 band plans are also posted there, so be sure you are looking at the band plan for Region 2. Next, formulate a clear statement of any change you propose. Include a brief explanation of why you think the change would be beneficial. Please include your name and call sign in your input. Finally, send your input via e-mail no later than April 5, 2010. Messages will be automatically acknowledged __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
We should try to get them to include language stating that AM may be used ANYWHERE that other amplitude modulated telephony modes such as SB are allowed, AND they should state that there are areas in which regular AM operation is noted, such as from 3870 to 3890 kHz. (Also now 3650 to 3750 kHz is being used more and more too) We do NOT want AM to become ghetto-ized. This could eventually lead to specific limitations. 73 - Bry, AF4K From: screwdriver > The inadvertent omission of the AM center of activity frequency > (calling > frequency) -- 3.885 MHz on 80 meters -- has already been noted, and > this > will be one of the recommended revisions. -~ø¤º°º¤ø~-"ßrÿ in FLÕRÎÐÁ"-~ø¤º°º¤ø~- __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[AMRadio] AM IARU Region 2 Bandplan
ARRL Seeks Input for New IARU Region 2 Band Plan The International Amateur Radio Region 2 (IARU R2) conference -- held later this year in El Salvador -- brings together delegations from the national Amateur Radio Societies in the Western Hemisphere. One of the topics on the agenda will be the Region 2 HF band plan. This band plan is "harmonized with" -- spectrum management-speak for "very similar to" -- the IARU Region 1 and Region 3 band plans. According to ARRL President Kay Craigie, N3KN, many hams in the USA probably did not know there was such as thing as a Region 2 band plan until recently. Now, however, many more American hams have heard of it, but may not know how -- if at all -- this band plan affects them. Here are important facts for American hams to keep in mind: IARU band plans are voluntary guidelines. They do not have the force of FCC regulations. It would be inappropriate to incorporate Region 2 band plans into the FCC rules, and the ARRL has no plan to petition the FCC to do so. Most other countries do not have the detailed sub-band regulations that are in Part 97 of the FCC Rules; for amateurs in those countries, IARU band plans offer the only guidance on frequency use. The recognition of a calling frequency or band segment for a particular purpose or mode in the IARU band plan does not convey any special rights or exclusivity of use. A new, more transparent procedure will be followed this year for considering possible changes to the Region 2 band plan. The ARRL is cooperating with this procedure by inviting input to be sent to the ARRL Board of Directors' Band Planning Committee. The committee will review the existing Region 2 band plan, consider input from the amateur community and make recommendations to the ARRL Board for submission to IARU Region 2. The inadvertent omission of the AM center of activity frequency (calling frequency) -- 3.885 MHz on 80 meters -- has already been noted, and this will be one of the recommended revisions. The deadline line set by Region 2 for gathering input and formulating recommendations is rather short. Amateurs who would like to submit input should take the following steps: First, study the existing IARU Region 2 band plan posted on the Region 2 Web site. The Region 1 and Region 3 band plans are also posted there, so be sure you are looking at the band plan for Region 2. Next, formulate a clear statement of any change you propose. Include a brief explanation of why you think the change would be beneficial. Please include your name and call sign in your input. Finally, send your input via e-mail no later than April 5, 2010. Messages will be automatically acknowledged __ Our Main Website: http://www.amfone.net AMRadio mailing list Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/amradio@mailman.qth.net/ List Rules (must read!): http://w5ami.net/amradiofaq.html List Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/amradio Post: AMRadio@mailman.qth.net To unsubscribe, send an email to amradio-requ...@mailman.qth.net with the word unsubscribe in the message body. This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
