Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy all.Ever had one of those moments when you knew you were fucking up but still went ahead with it anyway, my pc buying experience has been something like that.I bought my pc today, and its a MacBook Pro 2015 I5 processor,8gb ram,120gb sad. The thing that's quite limiting is the space but I suppose I can use the external hdd for movies,audiobooks and such.just getting used to the system,and so far it doesn't really feels as good as I thought it'd. Even on a sad alex has troublee in keeping up with my typing which jaws and nada manage just fine. Not to mention the bugs in this OSX that came installed with it, learning a hole new OS and a few other things don't really make it quite pleasant...Don't know what the hell I was thinking when I got this instead of a md101. that might have been slower,but would have worked for me just fine. I know this post sounds kind of complaining and such but I needed to share my stupidity wit h someone. You can't say this sucks after you go above your budget when you had no clue what you were on lol. but eh, I guess I'll get used to it.I have updated the map from the App Store, and at least the updates it gave me, I'm wondering whether I need to do something special for updating the firmware before I go ahead and install windows or will the App Store work to do it?Anything I should optimise to make accessibility more easier? or the experience better? I.E voiceover settings and so on. Apps I can delete to get more space?And if I won't be really be using the OS X as much, what space should I locate to the mac partition.Oh,and writing this post reminds me, how do I go about disabling automatic spelling corrections and correcting the mistakes I make? I.E I make a mistake just now, abracadabra and if I wanted to go back and correct just that word, how would I do that?I'm still laughing at my self, after all the a wesome suggestions you guys provided me with, I ended up with something I have no clue how URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264926#p264926 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I'll echo what Sebby said. Hopefully my ramblings helped. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264570#p264570 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Well I'm sure I speak for all here on this thread when I say, don't mention it, and good luck. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264528#p264528 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy there,@sebby, thanks for the headsup about the metal and the plastic versions. The asus rog gl552 is truely a confusing series,that's for sure. althose different moddles with almost the same configs and so on.Win10 is indeed a drawback but then I suppose its a drawback I'll have to deal with all the newer machines with a I7 processor.The mbp shouldn't have that issue,so that's a plus.The asus from what I have seen doesn't have win7 drivers either, although there are a few around but I don't think its a complete set or proper.They do seem to have the drivers only for win10 and perhaps win8.1Sheesh, looks like if I don't want to use win10, I'll have to go the pirate root anyhow.These are the 2 the mbp and the asus that I have decided on, now whatever's available, is what I get. And seri ously I don't think I could say this enough but I really appriciate all the help// suggestions.grryf. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264500#p264500 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @Grryf:Specs indeed are not everything. I think at this point you really just have to look at them to know. Like I said, I'm totally for a quality WinTel box, but only if you can find one!The GPU is indeed the weak point of MBP and if you push it you'll probably ruin any chance you have of having children, LOL. Nevertheless the construction (from tip to toe) is excellent and it'll catch fire long after you do. I can't help notice that this Asus is running Windows 10. Are you happy with that? Perhaps that's the catch. But maybe it isn't. Did you get a good look at it? Is the base also aluminium (lots of heat dissipation there)? Maybe, if you could find Win7 drivers for it, it'd be OK. Aside from the HDD (which you might be able to swap with a SATA SSD), I wonder what the other components are?I can't find anything concrete for this exact model but I'll poke about. Maybe it's specific to your market. The major reviewers might just be hard to find.Edit: OK, here we go. Review here. There are two models: that with the plastic cover, and that with the metal. Get the metal one and make sure it's the right one, because they are very similar and share the same major model number. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264404#p264404 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @Grryf:Specs indeed are not everything. I think at this point you really just have to look at them to know. Like I said, I'm totally for a quality WinTel box, but only if you can find one!The GPU is indeed the weak point of MBP and if you push it you'll probably ruin any chance you have of having children, LOL. Nevertheless the construction (from tip to toe) is excellent and it'll catch fire long after you do. I can't help notice that this Asus is running Windows 10. Are you happy with that? Perhaps that's the catch. But maybe it isn't. Did you get a good look at it? Is the base also aluminium (lots of heat dissipation there)? Maybe, if you could find Win7 drivers for it, it'd be OK. Aside from the HDD (which you might be able to swap with a SATA SSD), I wonder what the other components are?I can't find anything concrete for this exact model but I'll poke about. Maybe it's specific to your market. The major reviewers might just be hard to find. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264404#p264404 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy all.Sorry for the double post, but that ehh buying didn't go so well,so its put off again until hope fucking fully tomorrow. At least I dam well hope so!!!I traveled to the store to look at a few windows moddles that were avalable,and if none were to my liking to grab a mbp 2012. I was able to find a few good moddles I'll talk about them in a bit, and I would've ended up getting a mbp because those good moddles while good were slightly more than I could pay/had the cash on me.It turns out that the amount I had to pay as the downpayment wasn't right as told to me by the guy working at the store a few days ago,even though I confirmed the details with him at least 4 times.So had to come back due to lack of cash to pay the dp with for either machines that I liked.There's this fantastic machines, too much for my needs,but like only a few thousands more, which translates to 30 40 $$ more than what a mbp with a 256gb ssd would end up costing me with 8gb ram.Its a asus ROG 552gl? or something along those lines, I'm a bit drained out so can't be sure on the sequence of the letter and digits.I7 hq 6th gen processor,8gb ddr4 ram,4gb graph,1tb 7200rpm hdd. now I'm just wondering, what's the fucking catch? I' mean its one of those things too good to be trueOh and, its a aluminum chassy too,just like the macs or so it felt to me anyhow.Second is a hp I7U processor,16gb ddr 4 ram,could be 8 not sure,and the rest the same.I'll find the hp moddle and exact config and post again, editing is such a pain on ios,hence my posts come out as they have been. edit:Here is the link to the asus laptop I was talking about. don't bother with the price, its another one of those amazon fails. I'm getting it 10k cheaper. $100 less than the price listed on the webpagehttp://www.amazon.in/gp/aw/d/B01FDT9XYQ … 4NBQV0RBS5This might be more than what I need,but I think if the quality is good, and as I said no catches, it might be the best future prufe laptop I could buy.And the hp is supposedly quite a freshly launched machine, if I have it right, its hp 15? au009tx. 8gb ddr4 ram confirmed,the same price as a mbp with a ssd, I think.If I can get the cash for it,this asus machine sounds really great,baring any hidden catches, but I'm still leaning towards mbp,third gen processor or no.grryf. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264379#p264379 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy all.Sorry for the double post, but that ehh buying didn't go so well,so its put off again until hope fucking fully tomorrow. At least I dam well hope so!!!I traveled to the store to look at a few windows moddles that were avalable,and if none were to my liking to grab a mbp 2012. I was able to find a few good moddles I'll talk about them in a bit, and I would've ended up getting a mbp because those good moddles while good were slightly more than I could pay/had the cash on me.It turns out that the amount I had to pay as the downpayment wasn't right as told to me by the guy working at the store a few days ago,even though I confirmed the details with him at least 4 times.So had to come back due to lack of cash to pay the dp with for either machines that I liked.There's this fantastic machines, too much for my needs,but like only a few thousands more, which translates to 30 40 $$ more than what a mbp with a 256gb ssd w ould end up costing me with 8gb ram.Its a asus ROG 552gl? or something along those lines, I'm a bit drained out so can't be sure on the sequence of the letter and digits.I7 hq 6th gen processor,8gb ddr4 ram,4gb graph,1tb 7200rpm hdd. now I'm just wondering, what's the fucking catch? I' mean its one of those things too good to be trueOh and, its a aluminum chassy too,just like the macs or so it felt to me anyhow.Second is a hp I7U processor,16gb ddr 4 ram,could be 8 not sure,and the rest the same.I'll find the hp moddle and exact config and post again, editing is such a pain on ios,hence my posts come out as they have been. If I can get the cash for it,this asus machine sounds really great,baring any hidden catches, but I'm still leaning towards mbp,third gen processor or no.grryf. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264379#p264379 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy there,shrug, if I could find a laptop like the acer moddle around here, I'd snap it up. Not just because its quite good,but also it comes with a windows that ain't loaded down with crap.Heading out to buy either a mbp soon,or another del or hp machines that I'm able to find.I tryed looking for the applestore app,but as I suspected it is not available around here. If the emi/recurring payment options that apple offers in the UK and US were avalable here without a creditcard(its not avalable with one either) I'd happily grab a I7q 2015mbp but alas it doesn't so there we have it.I'm getting the mbp 2012 and the macbookair 2016 at the same price,but I am not going for air because I'm thinking its processor might turn out to be a little week for my needs.speaking of processors, just found out that the mbp 2012 heats and overheats a lot,which doesn't make me feel good,because of the lenovo z500 I had before t his.oh well, wish me luck.And thank you all for all the suggestions/ answers and so on.thanks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264336#p264336 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Hello, I'm coming back again to this topic.So yesterday, I finally talked to my cousin who lives in the USA, and I told him about what i wanted to buy. I looked again to that acer aspire V13 with the microsoft signature, but the price is now at 599 dollars. So, I looked into other laptops I could afford, and two of them were nice, except for the hard drive.So, I headed to the shop he told me, not that I'm really sure it's the right one, and saw that the Dell Inspiron 15 5000, with an I5 intel processor, and 8 GB of RAM, + 1 TB of HDD cost 599 dollars. The other computer was HP Pavilion 15, (on offer), which cost 499 dollars, with almost identical specifications. Everything is alright, apart from the HDD, which should be an SSD. I'm not sure if I'll manage to talk to the guy who sells the laptop to ask him if I could replace the 1 TB HDD with a 256 GB SSD. It would be wonderful. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264325#p264325 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy there.Thank you both,Sebby and defender. You both have been really helpful. and of course for putting up with all those questions.I'm mainly a windows user, that is I have only used windows so far,and everything I do From reading to watching to playing games,torrenting here and there and so on, gets easyly done on windows just fine, but the reason I have been jumping through hoops whether to buy a apple mac or a windows pc is exactly because of long lasting that is having a long life and quality.I think defender puts it just right when he saysHowever, there is no point in having a class pacing machine that breaks before it can show it's value, even if the HP and Dell in question are both quite good in terms of that, so it's ultimately up to you if your willing to take that risk.For the cost of a mbp,and a ssd,and a ram(80 82k) I could probably get a del I7 6500u? if that's the right name of the processor, with 16gb ram,1tb hdd,4gb or 2gb graph etc, which should last me if nothing at least in terms of performance/slow downs for 4 years minimum.But that's what I'm not sure about. The quality of the machine as the hole, plus its components lasting for that long.For example, my lenovo z500,6gb ram,1tb hdd,a I5 third gen M processor, but ever sinse I got it, after a few months it had slowdowns,and not really working as smooth as you'd expect a macchine like that to work. Overheating, lagging when I played injustice it was slightly alright on low settings,but anything over that would threten to break its heart out. Hell, it'd get so hot that I couldn't even touch its left edge for long periods.Thought it needed cleaning out, had that done, no difference. Formatted it just in case it was infected, no good. and it just carried on from there. Taking ages to boot,word files taking ages to open,that too n ot even 20pages or so. in the end I thought it was just hardware ands let it go.This ain't saying lenovo is bad all over, the previous machine that I had,4gb ram,core to dio(can't spell the dam thing)processor, ran win7 on it, and I can say it worked far better than the lenovo z500This is the reason why I am not just looking at specksheets and jumping to get the best processor and so on.now I know, I most probably won't be able to play games like skullgirls,injustice and so on on a mac,but as long as I get long life,and a hardware that ain't shitty, I'm willing to be without because I never was so good at those anyhow. On the ram front, by god these indian companys really charge as they would the buyers around here.Example,I whent to amazon.in, and looked for a 8gb ram to put on a mac,and 1x8gb ram kit is costing me about 54/55$ (about 3500INR) and on amazon.com with free international shipping to india, I'm getting 16gb 8gb x2 kits for $53! and 1 8gb for about $27 or so. sheesh.I guess I have about $100 or so,if I am able to get a small ssd under that, for OS's and such, I am thinking I could squeese in a 8gb ram as well. I'm wondering though, if it would be possible for me to swap out a 2gb apple ram and put in a 8gb crucial kit in that slot and have 10gb ram,without it causing issues?I've heard that replacing the hdd and ram doesn't void apple warranty however fucking around with the optical does. so I don't think my small ssd idea would work out that good,I.E swap out the optical for a smaller ssd, and keep the internal for movies and so on.Defender, could you see and let me know if the hp15-ab522tx is similar to the moddle you suggested just with a better processor?Woot, apple keynote is in a hour or so, finally,looking forward to that,at least. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264251#p264251 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Damn! I was *sure* I'd written my latest reply, but incredibly, I haven't! I must have imagined it.Defender's right. The SSD will mean more to you than memory. Of course memory is something you should certainly look into upgrading, at your earliest convenience, but by installing an SSD you've just taken away the biggest bottleneck in low-memory scenarios. So do that first; 4 GB is just about enough to make OS X happy, in practice.As for where to buy from, sounds like your options are indeed quite limited. Give the Apple Store app a try, just in case; they do for instance offer recurring payments in some markets, and maybe if you're lucky yours will be one of those. BTO, if you can, is the way to go.Don't worry about the details of Windows installation. Really, I'll help you cross that bridge when you come to it, if you should really need help. Suffice it to say that Apple's approved "Bootcamp" route is as easy as 1-2-3, so you'll be all right, no matter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264219#p264219 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I'm sorry for missing these newest few posts, not sure how that happened, but basically, Sebby and Exodus are right about everything. LOLWell, accept for the fact that Exodus thought that you were getting an I7 and Sebby is working on an entirely different level of knowledge... Anyway, as to the memory, 16GB is totally unnecessary for a laptop, as any one application needing over about 2GB is probably going to max your processor out before your memory, and cumulatively you are extremely unlikely to ever reach above 6GB, as well, even if you have like 8 Windows open at once.If you are running boot camp and not a VM, and you don't use a professional grade media converter/editor on a daily basis, than you will likely never even hit the maximum even with your preinstalled 4GB, but an extra 2 or 4 is nice for peace of mind, which is why so many pe ople suggest it (just encase).The whole thing is essentially just an enormous dick measuring contest anyway, especially when you get into gaming computers, and manufacturers have done an excellent job convincing the average consumer that more RAM equals better, one hundred percent of the time, when really, that era died 10 years ago, and memory clock speed and bandwidth matter a whole lot more.That said though, even upgrades on that front have a negligible impact on over all performance, at least the kind that can actually be felt by the end user instead of being measured using points on a graph for bragging rites.The CPU's efficiency is far more important in real life, within reasonable limits, that and switching from an HDD to an SSD, or upgrading the firmware and drivers to the latest versions.Now, as to the processor difference, I think that's already been summed up quite well here, but what your actually asking is weather you can still d o all of the things you do now even with the older one, and the answer to that question is yes.Well, I mean obviously I don't know about every single program you use, but Jaws, most audio games, email clients, and web browsers will almost certainly work in just the same way as before, and any possible slowdowns will be small and easily neutralized by the addition of an SSD, which is why I suggested one in the first place, well, that and it's just better in every conceivable way...Either way, both of those processors well exceeds the minimum system requirements for almost all of the standard programs you might encounter, and by standard I just mean not high powered applications for specific, intensive tasks that most people wouldn't need to trouble them selves with anyway, the only difference is that one of them exceeds it even more.Now in terms of hardware and durability, you can easily buy a hard, padded case for a Windows laptop that will pr otect it nearly as well as the Mac's will when in transit, and while the Apple warranty is going to be better, it also seems like finding a shop where you are wouldn't be very easy on short notice, unlike an HP or Dell store.That said though, even with an SSD, the Mac is still going to hold up noticeably better to drops when out of a case, so you'll just have to be more careful with a Windows laptop, but even if it does break, replacing parts will be much cheaper than a Mac if it happens out of warranty.So really, both have their pros and cons, but it's nothing that can't be significantly improved with some common sense and basic caution, either.Still, you should try and remember the concept of future proofing when making your final decision, E.G. will buying a computer with older hardware mean that in 3 or 4 years, I likely won't be able to keep up with technology at all, and if so, will I be missing out on anything that actual ly matters to me? or will it all just be a series of high priced gimmicks, rather than true leaps forward.Looking at the current trends, most of the upcoming groundbreaking technology is either theoretical and iffy in terms of security or practical use, mostly visual based, or only potentially available to the research, military, and enterprise sectors, which means it's going to take a while to trickle down to the home consumer level anyway.So barring anything not only crazy but also extremely fast growing happening in the next few years, your Macbook will still be able to keep up, even if the HP will probably keep up better.However, there is no point in having a class pacing machine that breaks before it can show it's value, even if the HP and Dell in question are both quite good in terms of that, so it's ultimately up to you if your willing to take that risk. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264212#p264212 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy there,@sebby, I can only buy from either the apple retailers(authorised dealers),or the service center/apple retailer.There are 2 reasons for that.1:I can only aford a macbookpro through emis, and a mbp is the only one where I can meet its downpayment.2: we don't have a applestore here so I believe the applestore app doesn't appear to be in the indian appstore,but I'll try just in case.So as things stand now, I can only get a macbookpro with a I5 processor, 2012 moddle.So you are suggesting I should try and get a ssd first rather than the 16gb ram? because I think I could only do either one atm, that is either the ram,or the ssd. and the other would have to wait.I'm a bit lost when it comes to all this bios stuff, I sure can install windows and such using twpe but you ask me to talk on it,or go into detail I'd be lost. :dThanks, again. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264120#p264120 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @Grryf:What about online ordering and home delivery? Bypass the obnoxious service centre for your initial build, somehow. Check the "Apple Store" app on iOS. You've got to get a BTO upgrade on your processor; there is no other way. Once you have that, bring the machine in and upgrade RAM, HDD by yourself. Or get Apple to do both, at extraordinary expense. Here's the major downside to this master plan: you have to have somebody who would be willing to follow instructions online (there are many of them for this machine, really) and carefully open up your precious new MBP, and install your new SSD and RAM (optionally, with a caddy, also a second SSD, but I'd not be so hasty to go for that, since there's a slot in the casing).As for minimum requirements, assuming a worst-case scenario: 4 GB RAM, 8 recommended, and you really want an SSD. True, if the machine is up for long enough, the SSD becomes less and less relevant as more data is cached in RAM, but 4 GB is definitely taking your chances because it's Apple's current hardware minimum. Apple always uses minimums, and they always suck, for obvious reasons. If you can believe it, they currently recommend 2 GB minimum; in practice that is simply unbearable.Windows 7 does install onto GPT systems supporting UEFI, but it still relies on the legacy VGA interface for graphics (this was fixed in Windows 8, and now contemporary Macs don't even include the CSM and support 8+ only). Apple's EFI offers GOP (graphics drawing), which is the appropriate way to support the frame buffer under the EFI environment, but Windows didn't, and so Apple didn't use or support Win7 plus EFI. You *might* be able to make it work by using an unattended install or the WinPE environment, but my personal recommendation is not to bother; it saves a few seconds of boot time, and not much else, in practice, while introducing other problems. The only other major reas on to switch to UEFI was AHCI support, but I do believe that the 2012 MBP was the first to default AHCI for the CSM, so even there, you're fine. There are workarounds in the event that it isn't happening, but I imagine once you have your firmware upgraded, it'll be correctly supported and you can check in Windows that you are using the native AHCI drivers. This is, of course, most important when using an SSD.Right, anything else? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264105#p264105 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @Grryf:What about online ordering and home delivery? Bypass the obnoxious service centre for your initial build, somehow. Check the "Apple Store" app on iOS. You've got to get a BTO upgrade on your processor; there is no other way. Once you have that, bring the machine in and upgrade RAM, HDD by yourself. Or get Apple to do both, at extraordinary expense. Here's the major downside to this master plan: you have to have somebody who would be willing to follow instructions online (there are many of them for this machine, really) and carefully open up your precious new MBP, and install your new SSD and RAM (optionally, with a caddy, also a second SSD, but I'd not be so hasty to go for that, since there's a slot in the casing).As for minimum requirements, assuming a worst-case scenario: 4 GB RAM, 8 recommended, and you really want an SSD. True, if the machine is up for long enough, the SSD becomes less and less relevant as more data is cached in RAM, but 4 GB is definitely taking your chances because it's Apple's current hardware minimum. Apple always uses minimums, and they always suck, for obvious reasons. If you can believe it, they currently recommend 2 GB minimum; in practice that is simply unbearable.Windows 7 does install onto GPT systems supporting UEFI, but it still relies on the legacy VGA interface for graphics (this was fixed in Windows 8, and now contemporary Macs don't even include the CSM and support 8+ only). Apple's EFI offers GOP (graphics drawing) only, which is the appropriate way to support the frame buffer under the EFI environment, but Windows didn't, and so Apple didn't use or support Win7 plus EFI. You *might* be able to make it work by using an unattended install or the WinPE environment, but my personal recommendation is not to bother; it saves a few seconds of boot time, and not much else, in practice, while introducing other problems. The only other major reason to switch to UEFI was AHCI support, but I do believe that the 2012 MBP was the first to default AHCI for the CSM, so even there, you're fine. There are workarounds in the event that it isn't happening, but I imagine once you have your firmware upgraded, it'll be correctly supported and you can check in Windows that you are using the native AHCI drivers. This is, of course, most important when using an SSD.Right, anything else? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264105#p264105 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy allA few questions that I just thought of.@exodus, I was comparing the processor that the 2012 mbp has I5 not the I7, because I haven't seen any I7 macs floating around.Along the same lines, I don't think the moddle I'm looking at is a LA but a md101 HNA or some such.I did ask the guy in the service center if I could upgrade my ram and hdd that is replace the hdd with a ssd,. To which he was like, you can upgrade the ram to 8gb, but many people do it to 16gb as well,but then if your machine has any issues like overheating we won't support you or something along those lines.The idiot was like you can't change the hdd in this when I know that it can be done just fine. duh.See what I mean about having a proper applestore around here...And, the max processor that I can get my macbookpro 2012 is the one it comes with I.E the I5, because the same guy was like we don't upgrade processors. Now to the questions.With just the ram upgraded,how well does the mbp run the latest OSX? does it have slow downs or lag? compared to the newer moddles?I don't know much when it comes to stuff like installing windows and such, but I was under the impression that windows7 could be installed on gpt,as well?It is highly likely that I'd just get a iso of win7 bootcamp it, and then pirate it using one of the ,many tools out there. because now after the mbp and the ram I won't have enough cash to buy a $0.99 app much less win7. so can that be done on a mbp?Cheers to the both of you and thanks for the information. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264057#p264057 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @grryf:You are not going to notice any meaningful differences for the workload you describe. Really, these MBPs are still sold precisely because they work for the bulk purchasers that buy them. Read this. Marco is strongly pro-Apple, but he's absolutely correct. It's still a perfectly good machine for what it is, and everything you need to do that isn't extremely GPU-intensive, such as the everyday work of computing, will work just fine. Especially if you max the processor and then, independently, upgrade RAM and HDD.Now assuming you go for it, you should know that this model won't boot MBR-partitioned disks via USB. You must have optical media and an optical drive (whether internal or external). (OS X, of course, boots just fine as it's GPT, not MBR.)Also, I do advise you to use OS X to update the firmware, at a minimum, and maybe also to get Windows drivers with BootCamp. You could minimise the partition size and install Windows alongside or on another disk, or with more elbow-grease, do a fully Windows-only installation. You can't perform firmware upgrades from an external drive, so I suggest you run the machine in its out-of-box state through a complete upgrade to the latest release of OS X, at least once. But once you have done that, and gotten your firmware upgrades, it's basically a PC, and you can do whatever you want with it. I hope, but don't know, that the firmware will include network booting of the recovery image; if not, now is the perfect time to create it. See this thread for even more gory details.Like I said, it's over to you, and I wish you good luck on your new computing adventures. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264017#p264017 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc if your comparing the older i7 in the macbook with the I7 6500u, It really looks like this.I7 6500u supports faster ram, has a much more powerfull integrated graphics system and supports newer PCI standards. The 6500u U also has a hardware Video Decoder, which reduces load when dealing with video content, including 4K H.264 and the newer H.265(HEVC) standard. The i7 in the 2012 macbook pro 13 inch just edges out the 6500U in benchmarks, but your hardly going to notice the few extra points it gains. The newer GPU in the 6500U, plus the more modern things it supports are nice to have, But you wouldn't be giving up a lot going for the older hardware in the macbook. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=264001#p264001 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Hello there,Thank you Sebby. You are quite right. I'd be getting better machines with a better configeration at any rate at that price, but its quality that I'm not sure about. Mbps quality I have heard loads about but I'm wondering if its processor will run jaws and such with a few other applications without any issues.The mbp I could upgrade with a 16gb ram to begin with and later on ssd, but I don't think I can get its processors upgraded here.Having one of those actual applestores around here would have been quite useful right about now. I've heard roomers of they starting a apple store in about 2017 but that doesn't help me much right now :dI'm not sure about this, but When I visited a store and asked for the hp notebook defender posted above, I was told that hp15-ab522tx was a newer version of that moddle. These companys should really come up with names that are easyer to remember, I mean who can remember just a bunc h of letters and numbers. Ot I know but still Each and every machine that I have looked at so far and that I have been able to find reviews on seem to have some or the other problem with them. I.E the hp 15 according to laptopmag has a shitty dim display which sucks so bad that even normal stuff doesn't appear clear on it. Sure seeing as I am blind I shouldn't have any issues with that,but seriously how do they get away with pushing out products like that and people actually buying them?And aye, I don't really see for what I might need to use OSX Windows is all I can think uses of atm, I.E mudding,audio games,reading (eloquence) and stuff like that. although I guess I could scan etc on a mac as well.I should be getting a windows pc with all these in mind,but then all the things I've heard about mbps so far have been nothing but good,and unlike all those pcs I haven't seen any floors in the mbp so far. If I only knew about the processor being able to handle all that I need it for without slowing down, I would have the mbp already.@Sebby, as to the wwdc, I guess I can wait sinse I have waited for so long,but I have a feeling even if the new hardware is announced it wouldn't make much of a difference here,at least in the stores that sell apple macs. but eh, lets see.This post has actually come out a bit scattered all over the dam place,but this afternoon heat and the bluetooth keyboard don't really help matters any. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263968#p263968 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @grryf:That HP does look quite nice. And yes, the MBP will certainly last you five years, with upgrades. The processor is more recent on the other models, of course, but the MBP is still a good machine.To be clear, this is your choice to make. As an Apple person, I hate watching the market flash past while Apple does sod all for extended periods of time. That doesn't change the fact that they're a good investment. In your position, I'd be highly torn ... and I imagine that's why you're asking. Honestly, I don't have an answer for you. I recommend the MacBook because I love MacBooks, and feel that a lot of Windows hardware is a little wanting in the design/robustness department. But you'll get more for your money if you go with the PC--that's an undeniable fact. Both of them run Windows, but only one runs OS X, and even though Macs make great Windows machines, in your position I'd be a little hesitant to out right go with t he Mac if you're only going to use Windows on it, because it is entirely possible that the HP will be a quality machine. It really just comes down to the hardware, and where you're willing to compromise.It's over to you, really. I hope others can jump in here and provide a little more assurance, given you'll be using this machine for the next five years; seems like this choice is rather more important than is reasonably accommodated by personal favouritism.Whatever you go with, good luck. Edit: Monday is WWDC. You might hang on just a tiny little bit longer to see if better deals open up on Mac hardware. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263917#p263917 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @grryf:That HP does look quite nice. And yes, the MBP will certainly last you five years, with upgrades. The processor is more recent on the other models, of course, but the MBP is still a good machine.To be clear, this is your choice to make. As an Apple person, I hate watching the market flash past while Apple does sod all for extended periods of time. That doesn't change the fact that they're a good investment. In your position, I'd be highly torn ... and I imagine that's why you're asking. Honestly, I don't have an answer for you. I recommend the MacBook because I love MacBooks, and feel that a lot of Windows hardware is a little wanting in the design/robustness department. But you'll get more for your money if you go with the PC--that's an undeniable fact. Both of them run Windows, but only one runs OS X, and even though Macs make great Windows machines, in your position I'd be a little hesitant to go with the Mac if you're only going to use Windows on it. It really just comes down to the hardware, and where you're willing to compromise.It's over to you, really. I hope others can jump in here and provide a little more assurance, given you'll be using this machine for the next five years; seems like this choice is rather more important than is reasonably accommodated by personal favouritism.Whatever you go with, good luck. Edit: Monday is WWDC. You might hang on just a tiny little bit longer to see if better deals open up on Mac hardware. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263917#p263917 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @grryf:That HP does look quite nice. And yes, the MBP will certainly last you five years, with upgrades. The processor is more recent on the other models, of course, but the MBP is still a good machine.To be clear, this is your choice to make. As an Apple person, I hate watching the market flash past while Apple does sod all for extended periods of time. That doesn't change the fact that they're a good investment. In your position, I'd be highly torn ... and I imagine that's why you're asking. Honestly, I don't have an answer for you. I recommend the MacBook because I love MacBooks, and feel that a lot of Windows hardware is a little wanting in the design/robustness department. But you'll get more for your money if you go with the PC--that's an undeniable fact. Both of them run Windows, but only one runs OS X, and even though Macs make great Windows machines, in your position I'd be a little hesitant to go with the Mac if you're only going to use Windows on it. It really just comes down to the hardware, and where you're willing to compromise.It's over to you, really. I hope others can jump in here and provide a little more assurance, given you'll be using this machine for the next five years; seems like this choice is rather more important than is reasonably accommodated by personal favouritism.Whatever you go with, good luck. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263917#p263917 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy allI'm still without a pc, although not for long I hope.Waiting has increased my budget to 80k or so but I can't get a better macbookpro with that and most of the pcs are just the same anyway, so it seems kind of meh.I just compared the I7 6500u and the processor in the macbook pro 2012 moddle in trying to decide what would be better I.E in term of power and which'd last me a fare while.@defender and anyone else who knows about it or has experience with this,I'm ultimatly gonna either buy a new macbookpro 2012 or one of the machines suggested by defender. but will a macbookpro 2012 will really last me 4 5 years at least? and if people have tried windows on it, does jaws have issues with it when running windows I.E lag issues and such.Most of my work is just gonna be just like afrin, I.E opening large documents,scanning stuff, etc. besides games and such.I'll of course upgrade the ram for now, to 16gb or 8gb in 1 slot at least and replace the hdd with a ssd when I manage enough funds for it.If a macbook won't last me or its processor is gonna have issues, I' guess it'll be the hp for me, the one suggested by defender.I'm also considering del inspiron 5559 I7 or I5 6th gen(it is quite surprising how less of a difference actually exists between the 2)Here is the link to the comparision I did between mbp and the I7 6500u processors http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6 … e-i5-3210MIt is bloody surprising how much the engineers like to screw over people around here in the apple stores, although I don't suppose it is exactly a apple store but a service center.If I get my ram upgraded while getting it, of course they charge a leg and a arm for it,but he was quite willing to install rams for me as long as I got the rams for him,and payed him just as much as a ram costs to install the dam things! I.E a 8gb ram costs about 3500INR and he was asking 2500INR just for installing those on.I figure if I end up with a mbp, I'll try and find someone who fiddles around with computers and get them installed that way.Oh and, thank you figment, for the explaining that. I thought that might be it,but wanted to confirm. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263811#p263811 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy allI'm still without a pc, although not for long I hope.Waiting has increased my budget to 80k or so but I can't get a better macbookpro with that and most of the pcs are just the same anyway, so it seems kind of meh.I just compared the I7 6500u and the processor in the macbook pro 2012 moddle in trying to decide what would be better I.E in term of power and which'd last me a fare while.@defender and anyone else who knows about it or has experience with this,I'm ultimatly gonna either buy a new macbookpro 2012 or one of the machines suggested by defender. but will a macbookpro 2012 will really last me 4 5 years at least? and if people have tried windows on it, does jaws have issues with it when running windows I.E lag issues and such.Most of my work is just gonna be just like afrin, I.E opening large documents,scanning stuff, etc. besides games and such.I'll of course upgrade the ram for now, to 16gb or 8gb in 1 slot at least and replace the hdd with a ssd when I manage enough funds for it.If a macbook won't last me or its processor is gonna have issues, I' guess it'll be the hp for me, the one suggested by defender.I'm also considering del inspiron 5559 I7 or I5 6th gen(it is quite surprising how less of a difference actually exists between the 2)Here is the link to the comparision I did between mbp and the I7 6500u processors http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6 … e-i5-3210MIt is bloody surprising how much the engineers like to screw over people around here in the apple stores, although I don't suppose it is exactly a apple store but a service center.If I get my ram upgraded while getting it, of course they charge a leg and a arm for it,but he was quite willing to install rams for me as long as I got the rams for him,and payed him just as much as a ram costs to install the dam things! I.E a 8gb ram costs about 3500INR and he was asking 2500INR just for installing those on.I figure if I end up with a mbp, I'll try and find someone who fiddles around with computers and get them installed that way. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=263811#p263811 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc If I am correct, shared memory refers to the area of main memory that is shared with the built in display adapter to provide memory to hold the image being displayed.Unlike stand alone display adapters that have their own on board memory, built in display adapters as used in laptops and on motherboards that have built in display adapters, the built in display adapters rely on a part of the system's main memory being shared with it.That's why my Dell Latitude laptop says it has 3.5 GB of memory instead of the 4 GB that's actually installed in it. The missing 512 MB of memory is being used by the built in display adapter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262453#p262453 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy there again,I had a look at both the hp and the aiser laptop, and they both are almost similar? besides the shared memory(a bit unsure as to what that exactly means) and the AC wireless. I don't think I should be needing AC anytime soon,so these 2 should do me well I.E a choice if I'm not able to find one of them in the stores.How good are the yoga series of machines as compared to the hp and the esser machines mentioned above? the hp and aser are a bit cheaper,but there are good configerations available in the yoga series by lenovo.The trouble with these indian moddles is I'm hardly able to find reviews on the machines as to their built quality, over heating issues and so on.Both of these are excellent recommendations though, just perfect besides a hq processer,but I guess that's a bit out of my range atm considering my budget.Thanks URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262443#p262443 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy there defender!Cheers for that. After you posted the good specs/what to look for I could just filter the machines based on those,but it was the built quality,vents,overheating and such that I wasn't sure about.So cheers for searching for those moddles this definatly makes things easyer for me.Out of all the 3 recommendations you posted before, I also likwed the del,but knew it'd be out of my price range because dels tend to be a bit higher priced as compared to its compititors. Lenovo Y40 would have been my second go as well, but I could hardly find it.I have yet to check these out, will do as soon as I'm done writing this,that's because I'm trying to figure out how to select stuff with this bluetooth keyboard on ios And yeah, its funny that almost everything around here is in english, heck I don't think I have come ac ross websites or such in hindi unless I specificly go looking for them.Anyhow,cheers again!thanks. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262318#p262318 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Alright Grryf, I found you two decent laptops in India, at your price of 55 to 65000, it's surprising how many Indian sites are in English, I thought that this would be much harder.I've included both the series name, the model name, and the product number, so that their easy to find.They are both currently popular laptops from well established brands there, at least according to digit.in and quora.com, so you shouldn't have any problem finding them, and in fact I already did, on the website's of three highly rated resellers. Flipkart, snapdeal, and Amazon.in.Here they are:HP Pavilion (15-ab034TX) - (M2W77PA)Acer Aspire E15 (E5 573G 787X) - (NX.MW4SI.005)The HP is the better one while the Acer is a backup, and they both have I7 processors, Nvidia GTX 900 series dedicated graphics cards, 8GB of RAM, 2 USB 3 ports, and a 1TB HDD.The HP has a significantly better build construction and a somewhat higher powered graphics card with more VRAM, but it doesn't have AC wireless like the Acer does.So, up to you, but N is going to be plenty good enough for most things. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262200#p262200 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Alright Grryf, I found you two decent laptops in India, at your price of 55 to 65000, it's surprising how many Indian sites are in English, I thought that this would be much harder.I've included both the series name, the model name, and the product number, so that their easy to find.They are both currently popular laptops from well established brands there, at least according to digit.in and quora.com, so you shouldn't have any problem finding them, and in fact I already did, on the website's of three highly rated resellers. Flipkart, snapdeal, and Amazon.in.Here they are:HP Pavilion (15-ab034TX) - (M2W77PA)Acer Aspire E15 (E5 573G 787X) - (NX.MW4SI.005)The HP is the better one while the Acer is a backup, and they both have I7 processors, Nvidia GTX 900 series dedicated graphics cards, 8GB of RAM, 2 USB 3 ports, and a 1TB HDD.The HP has a significantly better build construction and a newer graphics card with more VRAM, but it doesn't have AC wireless like the Acer does.So, up to you, but N is going to be plenty good enough for most things. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262200#p262200 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Yep it will probably still be around by then, and if it isn't I'm sure I can find something else, though it probably won't be as good...I'm happy to help though, and glad you've decided on taking the plunge. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262199#p262199 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Alright Grryf, I found you two decent laptops in India, at your price of 55 to 65000, it's surprising how many Indian sites are in English, It hoguht this would be much harder.I've included both the series name, the model name, and the product number, so that their easy to find.They are both currently popular laptops from well established brands there, at least according to digit.in and quora.com, so you shouldn't have any problem finding them, and in fact I already did, on the website's of three highly rated resellers. Flipkart, snapdeal, and Amazon.in.Here they are:HP Pavilion (15-ab034TX) - (M2W77PA)Acer Aspire E15 (E5 573G 787X) - (NX.MW4SI.005)The HP is the better one while the Acer is a backup, and they both have I7 processors, Nvidia GTX 900 series dedicated graphics cards, 8GB of RAM, 2 USB 3 ports, and a 1TB HDD.The HP has a significantly better build construction and a newer graphics card with more VRAM, but it doesn't have AC wireless like the Acer does.So, up to you, but N is going to be plenty good enough for most things. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262200#p262200 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Yep it will probably still be around by then, and if it isn't I'm sure I can find something else, though it probably won't be as good...I'm happy to help though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262199#p262199 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Thank you in advance defender for your always useful help, I really appreciate it.I think I will definitely go for the acer. I am not going to wait until the holiday is over because the offer might be gone at that time. I will try buying it after 20 days or so because at the moment I'm really busy with final tests.Also I'll contact my cousin who lives there and let him know about my request. Although he's an imigrant in the US, I'll instruct him how to buy it because his english is very poor. But we'll find the way, anyway.Again, thank you in advance for your extensive help.In this current laptop, the keyboard and the microphone are two parts that shine. Keyboard is very comfortable here indeed. However, the laptop is very slow and I cannot put up with it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262154#p262154 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc discounting the dell which is really nicely priced for what you get, It has to be the Lenovo Y40. I can vouch for the broadwell I7 5500U. I've got one in a fanless case roughly the size of a quite thick hardback book, and It rarely throttles even when emulating gamecube games in dolphin. When under load, it spends most of it's time boosting almost to the top end of it's turbo frequency with both cores active, 2.9 GHZ. I have to load both CPU and GPU before it throttles, and I suspect that's power throttling. You'd never run into that situation on the laptop, as the AMD graphics would be doing the rendering, not the HD5500. If the laptop's cooling is up to scratch, that one would be a really good all rounder. You'd not be gaming at 1440P at 60 FPS, but in the end why would we need to. Still say it's a no brainer dropping the extra $110 to get the quad core i7 and NVIDIA 960m (the 4 GB one too). In the end though, if you don't need that l evel of graphics or CPU performance, the Lenovo, or the equivalent spec will do you just fine. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262110#p262110 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @defender, I am a little confused which one to go for. The reason is because I am much accustomed to a 15.6 inches laptop, which should be a regular laptop, something that I really like. It has an optical DVD drive, the keyboard is big enough to work comfortably, but it has a 128 GB SSD drive, which is really a drawback, +the battery isn't as good as the one of Acer.On the other hand, the acer aspire v13 is a really good laptop. It is nicely built in general. But I'm afraid the keyboard is small, which will prevent me to type as fast as I do on this laptop. Otherwise, I have absolutely no complaint about it. The DVD drive isn't much of a real issue because I could buy an external USB DVD drive which should range from 25 to 50 dollars. The product isn't valid in Albania, but I have my cousin who lives in New York and he could help me with buying the laptop. Anyway, after finishing these exams I'm currently taking, I will take a break and enjoy s ummer holidays. Then I'll see which one will I go for. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262042#p262042 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Hi Defender,Thank you loads for the recommendations.I guess I'll have to look around for similar specifications around here sinse the lenovo and aser moddles aren't sold here.I really like the dell and its the one I' was able to find too,but alas too expensive to meet my budget.grryf URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=262027#p262027 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Okay Grryf, I've finally rounded up a few Windows laptops just like I said I would... I've listed the full model name for each one, as well as the retail price as given by the manufacturer, and the specifications so that you can try to find one just like it in India if you can't buy from the US.I can provide links from deal sites for each one if necessary, but since I don't know what sites you use there, I figured I'd leave that up to you.If your using US sites though, try New egg, Best Buy, Staples, and B and H.Here they are:Acer Aspire F 15 F5-572-74DZ730 USDIntel® Core™ i7-6500U processor Dual-core 2.50 GHz15.6" Full HD (1920 x 1080) 16:9Intel® HD Graphics 520 with Shared Memory8 GB, DDR3L SDRAM1 TB HDD + 8 GB SSDLenovo Y40-80FA001CUS790 USDIntel Core i7-5500U dual core Processor (2.40GHz Base, 3.00 GHz Turbo 4MB L3)AMD Radeon R9 M275 2GB Graphics CardIntel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3160 + Bluetooth 4.08.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3L 1600 MHz Memory500GB Hard Drive + 8GB SSHD14.0" Full HD 1080p LED AntiGlare Display (1920x1080)DELL Inspiron i7559-2512BLK880 USDIntel Quad Core i7-6700HQ 2.6 GHz ProcessorNVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4GB GDDR5 Graphics8 GB DDR3L SDRAM1 TB HDD + 8 GB SSD Hybrid Drive Storage15.6 Inch FHD (1920 x 1080 pixels) LED-lit Truelife ScreenI'm especially impressed with the Dell, but all of them are pretty damn good. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261818#p261818 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Okay Grryf, I've finally rounded up a few Windows laptops just like I said I would... I've listed the full model name for each one, as well as the retail price as given by the manufacturer, and the specifications so that you can try to find one just like it in India if you can't buy from the US.I can provide links from deal sites for each one if necessary, but since I don't know what sites you use there, I figured I'd leave that up to you.If your using US sites though, try New egg, Best Buy, Staples, and B and H.Here they are:Acer Aspire F 15 F5-572-74DZ730 USDIntel® Core™ i7-6500U processor Dual-core 2.50 GHz15.6" Full HD (1920 x 1080) 16:9Intel® HD Graphics 520 with Shared Memory8 GB, DDR3L SDRAM1 TB HDD + 8 GB SSDLenovo Y40-80FA001CUS800 USD5th Generation Intel Core i7-5500U Processor (2.40GHz Base, 3.00 GHz Turbo 4MB L3)AMD Radeon R9 M275 2GB Graphics CardIntel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3160 + Bluetooth 4.08.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3L 1600 MHz Memory500GB Hard Drive + 8GB SSHD14.0" Full HD 1080p LED AntiGlare Display (1920x1080)DELL Inspiron i7559-2512BLK880 USDIntel Quad Core i7-6700HQ 2.6 GHz ProcessorNVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4GB GDDR5 Graphics8 GB DDR3L SDRAM1 TB HDD + 8 GB SSD Hybrid Drive Storage15.6 Inch FHD (1920 x 1080 pixels) LED-lit Truelife ScreenI'm especially impressed with the Dell, but all of them are pretty damn good. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261818#p261818 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Okay Grryf, I've finally rounded up a few Windows laptops just like I said I would... I've listed the full model name for each one, as well as the retail price as given by the manufacturer, and the specifications so that you can try to find one just like it in India if you can't buy from the US.I can provide links from deal sites for each one if necessary, but since I don't know what sites you use there, I figured I'd leave that up to you.If your using US sites though, try New egg, Best Buy, Staples, and B and H.Here they are:Acer Aspire F 15 F5-572-74DZ730 USDIntel® Core™ i7-6500U processor Dual-core 2.50 GHz15.6" Full HD (1920 x 1080) 16:9Intel® HD Graphics 520 with Shared Memory8 GB, DDR3L SDRAM1 TB HDD + 8 GB SSDLenovo Y40-80FA001CUS800 USD5th Generation Intel Core i7-5500U Processor (2.40GHz Base, 3.00 GHz Turbo 4MB L3)AMD Radeon R9 M275 2GB Graphics CardIntel Dual Band Wireless-AC 3160 + Bluetooth 4.08.0GB PC3-12800 DDR3L 1600 MHz Memory500GB Hard Drive + 8GB SSHD14.0" Full HD 1080p LED AntiGlare Display (1920x1080)DELL Inspiron i7559-2512BLK880 USDIntel Quad Core i7-6700HQ 2.6 GHz ProcessorNVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M 4GB GDDR5 Graphics8 GB DDR3L SDRAM1 TB HDD + 8 GB SSD Hybrid Drive Storage15.6 Inch FHD (1920 x 1080 pixels) LED-lit Truelife ScreenI'm especially impressed with the Dell, but all of them are pretty damn good. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261818#p261818 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Sorry I haven't answered for a couple of days, I've been busy playing Redspot. LOLAnyway, Grryf, your right about the inability to have a quad core in the 13 inch model, and the 15 inch model of that year isn't even soled anymore.So your only options are an I5 dual core, or an I7 dual core for 150 dollars more.If you ask me, it isn't worth the extra money, but you should take a look for your self before making a decision just based on my word, so here's a comparison page from a site I use allot.http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-3 … e-i5-3210MEnes, H just means high performance graphics, and in terms of an integrated GPU, E.G. one built into the same chip as the CPU is and sharing system memory as needed; then no, a blind person won't notice much of a difference unless your skipping forwards several generations, because as graphics chips get more efficient, they generally put less strain on the processor and draw less power.If you wanted to see a bigger difference, you could go with a lower end dedicated card, one that has it's own chip and memory, because it won't be sharing resources with other components.Thankfully, it's easier to get those for the same price as integrated cards now, and as long as you aren't over stressing it, you won't notice the extra heat and power draw that a dedicated card ends up having either.In terms of a more performance oriented processor, you could either just go with one that has a higher clock rate and larger than average cash, or get a quad core processor with hyper threading or at least two threads per core, since more and more programs are using multithreading, AKA, all four cores, these days than ever before, and I can only see that becoming more prevalent as time goes on.Afrim, I checked that link three times just now with a three minute gap in between and it worked for me each time, but try searching for any combination of the following page header, either from Google, with the addition of "newegg", either before or after the text, or using Newegg's own search feature on the site.2016 Newest HP 15 Premium High Performance Flagship LaptopAlso, I would really go for that Microsoft signature laptop if I were you, 13 inch screen or not; unless you absolutely need a bigger one do to your particular visual impairment.The reason for that is not only because it's such an amazing deal, but also since the only laptops offering SSD's in a larger form factor will be high end ultrabooks with 4K QHD screens, and the only reason they would do that in the first place would be in order to have a better viewing area for entertainment and professional video/image editing on the go.Gaming laptops at the high end will also offer SSD's, but almost exclusively as boot drives secondary to a high capacity mechanical HDD, and not as the primary storage medium.And when I say high end, I mean 1500 and up, so, at least three times your price range.The reason SSD's are even available for this price, uncommon though it may be, is because the machines that use them fall into the category of; work on the go, ultra portable, and nearly always convertible hybrid tablet/laptops, so they need to be smaller in all directions. and you can't take a mechanical drive on a moving vehicle without something eventually breaking, so...In fact your lucky to even find a 13.3 inch form factor non convertible, nearly all of them are 11.6 inch convertibles, and there aren't even many of those!Plus, that 15.6 inch laptop from Newegg only has a 128GB SSD, and after Windows, plus it's updates, basic apps and runtimes, you'll only have 70 to 80GB of that left for storage.If you feel able to do so on your own, or know a friend that can, you can always just buy a 15.6 inch laptop with a regular HDD, then buy a 256GB SSD for between 70 and 90 dollars, swap it out, and either sell the old one or put it in an enclosure and use it as an external drive. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261720#p261720 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I actually loved the microsoft signature laptop you posted, but a shame its not available in india,and even though I found it at one store, it was selling the thing at double the cost!a question on macs again. when getting the mac 2012 moddle, can you get its processor upgraded from a I5 to a I7hq? or that's only around in the 15 inch mbp?haven't seen much of that one,though. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261539#p261539 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @defender, Thank you for your suggestion. What do you think about this?http://www.amazon.com/Inspiron-Ultraboo … B00HAMZVD2 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261496#p261496 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Here's a really nice one I found for you Afrim, it's a great deal, and since it's from Microsoft, that means you get technical support as well as no useless extra preinstalled apps.I really hope it's valid in Albania...http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msu … .334961500That SSD should really speed things up!If that falls through, then try this one.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6R441G7762It's a bit out of your price range, and I don't know if the amount of storage is good enough, especially since Windows takes up like 32GB of that, but still. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261441#p261441 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Here's a really nice one I found for you Afrim, it's a great deal, and since it's from Microsoft, that means you get technical support as well as no useless extra preinstalled apps.I really hope it's valid in Albania...http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msu … .334961500That SSD should really speed things up! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261441#p261441 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc The boosted clock rate isn't usually anything to worry about; not only not because it's almost never in use, but because it's usually restricted to one core. So, the congestion inside the CPU will reduce its effective maximum potential, anyway. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261405#p261405 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc That comparison is somewhat apples to oranges.The M series has a less powerful video card, which means less of it's power is being devoted to graphics.It also has a massively higher power draw compared to the newer processor, and likely gets hotter as well, do to the eight Nanometre difference in architecture.It's got a higher base clock rate and a higher max clock rate too, but as seen with AMD APUs, that really doesn't mean a hole lot these days, and just because 4200M and 6200U should logically parallel each other in some way doesn't mean they actually do.Partly that's because I was mistaken when I said that Core M was the new M, because it seems more likely that it's actually a replacement for Y, and M just got entirely absorbed into the standard processor line (the types of CPUs with) no down clocking, up clocking, added L3 cash, or specialized graphics, that don't get a suffix at all.A better parallel would pro bably be the I5-4258U VS I5-6200U, but even so the newer chip loses out on pure power.This, I'm guessing, is mostly do to a combination of relying more on the faster DDR4 RAM and the possible presents of an SSD to do allot of the heavy lifting, as well as the lower minimum system requirements for Windows 8.1 and 10 than for 7, and the consumer push for longer battery life, not unnecessary extra power.These are no longer the days of the Core 2 and Ivy Bridge extreme series CPUs for instance, and generally, the only people interested in overclocking these days are PC gamers with custom built boxes.As a result, new processors now have a plethora of smart automated tools that they can use to ramp up and down power based on the current clock rate, throttle consumption to various internal components such as the system fan, RAM, HDD/SSD, and screen, as well as external devices when they aren't being directly accessed or heavily used, and work in perfect tandem w ith them dynamically, not just in sleep or power nap modes but in general use as well.This took a while to figure out, and if you look at the processors that came before Hazwell Refresh, you can see that clearly, from ridiculously large differences between top and bottom CPU speeds, to super low base GPU clock rates and weird voltage margins. The thing is, while on paper the newer chips might be slower, in real life they just aren't, or at least not enough to actually notice. and many respected sources tend to agree with that. No one seems particularly concerned about it either, especially since having a 125 WAT processor with 8 4GHZ cores that turbo to 5GHZ, 16 threads with a 12MB cash, and a heat output akin to a toaster oven is still possible if you really want it, which, it turns out, most people don't if they aren't in research or enterprise, in which case that would be under powered anyway... And yes, I know that's not a laptop chip, heh. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261403#p261403 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc That comparison is somewhat apples to oranges.The M series has a less powerful video card, which means less of it's power is being devoted to graphics.It also has a massively higher power draw compared to the newer processor, and likely gets hotter as well, do to the eight Nanometre difference in architecture.It's got a higher base clock rate and a higher max clock rate too, but as seen with AMD APUs, that really doesn't mean a hole lot these days, and just because 4200M and 6200U should logically parallel each other in some way doesn't mean they actually do.Partly that's because I was mistaken when I said that Core M was the new M, because it seems more likely that it's actually a replacement for Y, and M just got entirely absorbed into the standard processor line (the types of CPUs with) no down clocking, up clocking, added L3 cash, or specialized graphics, that don't get a suffix at all.A better parallel would pro bably be the I5-4258U VS I5-6200U, but even so the newer chip loses out on pure power.This, I'm guessing, is mostly do to a combination of relying more on the faster DDR4 RAM and the possible presents of an SSD to do allot of the heavy lifting, as well as the lower minimum system requirements for Windows 8.1 and 10 than for 7, and the consumer push for longer battery life, not unnecessary extra power.These are no longer the days of the Core 2 and Ivy Bridge extreme series CPUs for instance, and generally, the only people interested in overclocking these days are PC gamers with custom built boxes.As a result, new processors now have a plethora of smart automated tools that they can use to ramp up and down power based on the current clock rate, throttle consumption to various internal components such as the system fan, RAM, HDD/SSD, and screen, as well as external devices when they aren't being directly accessed or heavily used, and work in perfect tandem w ith them dynamically, not just in sleep or power nap modes but in general use as well.This took a while to figure out, and if you look at the processors that came before Hazwell Refresh, you can see that clearly, from ridiculously large differences between top and bottom CPU speeds, to super low base GPU clock rates and weird voltage margins. The thing is, while on paper the newer chips might be slower, in real life they just aren't, and many respected sources tend to agree with that, since having a 125 WAT processor with 8 4GHZ cores that turbo to 5GHZ, 16 threads with a 12MB cash, and a heat output akin to a toaster oven is still possible if you really want it, which, it turns out, most people don't if they aren't in research or enterprise, in which case that would be under powered anyway... And yes, I know that's not a laptop chip, heh. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261403#p261403 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc That comparison is somewhat apples to oranges.The M series has a less powerful video card, which means less of it's power is being devoted to graphics.It also has a massively higher power draw compared to the newer processor, and likely gets hotter as well, do to the eight Nanometre difference in architecture.It's got a higher base clock rate and a higher max clock rate too, but as seen with AMD APUs, that really doesn't mean a hole lot these days, and just because 4200M and 6200U should logically parallel each other in some way doesn't mean they actually do.Partly that's because I was mistaken when I said that Core M was the new M, because it seems more likely that it's actually a replacement for Y, and M just got entirely absorbed into the standard processor line (the types of CPUs with) no down clocking, up clocking, added L3 cash, or specialized graphics, that don't get a suffix at all.A better parallel would pro bably be the I5-4258U VS I5-6200U, but even so the newer chip loses out on pure power.This, I'm guessing, is mostly do to a combination of relying more on the faster DDR4 RAM and the possible presents of an SSD to do allot of the heavy lifting, as well as the lower minimum system requirements for Windows 8.1 and 10 than for 7, and the consumer push for longer battery life, not unnecessary extra power.These are no longer the days of the Core 2 and Ivy Bridge extreme series CPUs for instance, and generally, the only people interested in overclocking these days are PC gamers with custom built boxes.As a result, new processors now have a plethora of smart automated tools that they can use to ramp up and down power based on the current clock rate, throttle consumption to various internal components such as the system fan, RAM, HDD/SSD, and screen, as well as external devices when they aren't being directly accessed or heavily used, and work in perfect tandem w ith them dynamically, not just in sleep or power nap modes but in general use as well.This took a while to figure out, and if you look at the processors that came before Hazwell Refresh, you can see that clearly, from ridiculously large differences between top and bottom CPU speeds, to super low base GPU clock rates and weird voltage margins. The thing is, while on paper the newer chips might be slower, in real life they just aren't, and many respected sources tend to agree with that, since having a 125 WAT processor with 8 4GHZ cores that turbo to 5GHZ, 16 threads with a 12MB cash, and a heat output akin to a toaster oven is still possible if you really want it, which, it turns out, most people don't if they aren't in research or enterprise, in which case that would be under powered anyway... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261403#p261403 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc That comparison is somewhat apples to oranges.The M series has a less powerful video card, which means less of it's power is being devoted to graphics.It also has a massively higher power draw compared to the newer processor, and likely gets hotter as well, do to the eight Nanometre difference in architecture.It's got a higher base clock rate and a higher max clock rate too, but as seen with AMD APUs, that really doesn't mean a hole lot these days, and just because 4200M and 6200U should logically parallel each other in some way doesn't mean they actually do.Partly that's because I was mistaken when I said that Core M was the new M, because it seems more likely that it's actually a replacement for Y, and M just got entirely absorbed into the standard processor line (the types of CPUs with) no down clocking, up clocking, added L3 cash, or specialized graphics, that don't get a suffix at all.A better parallel would pro bably be the I5-4258U VS I5-6200U, but even so the newer chip loses out on pure power.This, I'm guessing, is mostly do to a combination of relying more on the faster DDR4 RAM and the possible presents of an SSD to do allot of the heavy lifting, as well as the lower minimum system requirements for Windows 8.1 and 10 than for 7, and the consumer push for longer battery life, not unnecessary extra power.These are no longer the days of the Core 2 and Ivy Bridge extreme series CPUs for instance, and generally, the only people interested in overclocking these days are PC gamers with custom built boxes.As a result, new processors now have a plethora of smart automated tools that they can use to ramp up and down power based on the current clock rate, throttle consumption to various internal components such as the system fan, RAM, HDD/SSD, and screen, as well as external devices when they aren't being directly accessed or heavily used, and work in perfect tandem w ith them dynamically, not just in sleep or power nap modes but in general use as well.This took a while to figure out, and if you look at the processors that came before Hazwell Refresh, you can see that clearly, from ridiculously large differences between top and bottom CPU speeds, to super low base GPU clock rates and weird voltage margins. The thing is, while on paper the newer chips might be slower, in real life they just aren't, and many respected sources tend to agree with that, since having a 125 WAT processor with 8 4GHZ base cores is still possible if you really want it, which, it turns out, most people don't. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261403#p261403 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc hi,however, U series processors are not equivalent to M series processors. Nor are the core M processors equivalent to U and M processors. The clock rate of the U processors are significantly lower. For instance, the 4200 M i5 scores alot higher than the 6200 U on benchmarks. I hope that when I have to buy a new laptop the situation improves. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261379#p261379 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Yeah, that is the Inspiron 5000 series, that's weird, maybe it's different in India?Based on the top answer given in the link below, I guess it is possible for 5000 series laptops to haveI3's, all be it unlikely; maybe that's changed in the later models?https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-diff … es-laptopsSo you could look at 7000 Series models to play it safe, or just do a bit more hunting, calling or emailing Dell if it ends up being necessary.Also yes, that is the correct Macbook model in the Amazon link.U series processors simply trade some clock rate for some power savings, so it really doesn't matter as long as the minimum that you want is still reached.Manufacturers often do this to obtain longer battery life, if they determine that the expected user experience for that class of machine won't suffer enough to make a noticeable difference.There is no additional power throttling beyond that which happens when heat levels reach a certain point or when the machine is in sleep mode, which happens with any modern CPU anyway...Essentially it just does what it says on the box, so I really wouldn't worry about it.The reason you don't see processors with the M suffix these days is firstly because that changed to U for the most part in Hazwell, (4000) series processors and up, but also because desktop sales have declined so much that it's kind of redundant to add ("mobile") to the large majority of them anyway.Besides, M class is still around in a way, just in a different form with the "Core M" series of processors, which are found in fanless computers, most commonly high powered Windows based tablets and convertibles.Intel actually has a hole page about it if your curious to see what all the various suffixes mean.http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ … mbers.html
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Yeah, that is the Inspiron 5000 series, that's weird, maybe it's different in India?Based on the top answer given in the link below, I guess it is possible for 5000 series laptops to haveI3's, all be it unlikely; maybe that's changed in the later models?https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-diff … es-laptopsSo you could look at 7000 Series models to play it safe, or just do a bit more hunting, calling or emailing Dell if it ends up being necessary.Also yes, that is the correct Macbook model in the Amazon link.U series processors simply trade some clock rate for some power savings, so it really doesn't matter as long as the minimum that you want is still reached.Manufacturers often do this to obtain longer battery life, if they determine that the expected user experience for that class of machine won't suffer enough to make a noticeable difference.There is no additional power throttling beyond that which happens when heat levels are beyond a certain point or when the machine is in sleep mode, which happens with any modern CPU anyway...Essentially it just does what it says on the box, so I really wouldn't worry about it.The reason you don't see processors with the M suffix these days is firstly because that changed to U for the most part in Hazwell, (4000) series processors and up, but also because desktop sales have declined so much that it's kind of redundant to add ("mobile") to the large majority of them anyway.Besides, M class is still around in a way, just in a different form with the "Core M" series of processors, which are found in fanless computers, most commonly high powered Windows based tablets and convertibles.Intel actually has a hole page about it if your curious to see what all the various suffixes mean.http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ … mbers.html
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Yeah, that is the Inspiron 5000 series, that's weird, maybe it's different in India?Based on the top answer given in the link below, I guess it is possible for 5000 series laptops to haveI3's, all be it unlikely; maybe that's changed in the later models?https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-diff … es-laptopsSo you could look at 7000 Series models to play it safe, or just do a bit more hunting, calling or emailing Dell if it ends up being necessary.Also yes, that is the correct Macbook model in the Amazon link.U series processors simply trade some clock rate for some power savings, so it really doesn't matter as long as the minimum that you want is still reached.Manufacturers often do this to obtain longer battery life, if they determine that the expected user experience for that class of machine won't suffer enough to make a noticeable difference.There is no additional power throttling beyond that which happens when heat levels are beyond a certain point or when the machine is in sleep mode, which happens with any modern CPU anyway...Essentially it just does what it says on the box, so I really wouldn't worry about it.The reason you don't see processors with the M suffix these days is firstly because that changed to U for the most part in Hazwell, (4000) series processors and up, but also because desktop sales have declined so much that it's kind of redundant to add ("mobile") to the large majority of them anyway.Besides, M class is still around in a way, just in a different form with the "Core M" series of processors, which are found in fanless computers, most commonly high powered Windows based tablets and convertibles.Intel actually has a hole page about it if your curious to see what all the various suffixes mean.http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ … mbers.html
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc hi,On processors, why has intel seased production of the 37 watt core m laptop processors? Aren't the 15 watt U processors significantly underpowered to M processors? When looking at laptops, I practicly cannot find any laptop with a M processor these days. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261340#p261340 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy there,@defender, aye, the inspiron series is what I was looking at. googling for del inspiron 5000 brings me this pagehttp://m.dell.com/mt/www.dell.com/in/p/ … t_redirectThat the write one?I have also heard about there being not much difference between a I5 and I7, but I don't suppose I5's come in q versions, and Aren't U processors quite under powered?I suppose going for a I5 processor will make things a bit cheaper so if I go with a I5, what kind I should be looking for?That is, should I cut out U's, look for m's or...By the mid2012 macbookpro moddle you mean this right?@cris, The newer macbookpros are probably priced so high because of the screen, I'm guessing.grryf URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261255#p261255 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @Chris,While I agree that JAWS takes a lot of space in your small or big processor, it is also true that NVDA does the same thing when you're trying to get the same speed as jaws.The screen reader aspect plays an important role in this case though.@Defender,I think I was looking for the dell Inspiron 7000. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261229#p261229 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Don't get the 12 inch MacBook. It's got an intel M processor which I've heard is very underpowered. Half of your freezing issues might be due to Jaws. Jaws is a very processor intensive application.The Air and Pro start out with 128 gigs of storage.. I'm not sure why the 12 inch MacBook is more expensive than the Air when it has an inferior processor. Is it the fact that it starts with twice the Ram and SSD storage or is it the retina screen? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261221#p261221 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Don't get the 12 inch MacBook. It's got an intel M processor which I've heard is very underpowered. Half of your freezing issues might be due to Jaws. Jaws is a very processor intensive application.The Air and Pro start out with 128 gigs of storage.. I'm not sure why the 12 inch MacBook is more expensive than the Air when it has an inferior processor. Is it the fact that it starts with twice the Ram and SSD storage the reason or is it the retina screen? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261221#p261221 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Don't get the 12 inch MacBook. It's got an intel M porcessor which I've heard is very underpowered. Half of your freezing issues might be due to Jaws. Jaws is a very processor intensive application. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261221#p261221 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Dell Inspiron 5000 and 7000, not just Dell 15 5000 and 7000.The numbers correspond to I3, I5, and I7 processors, that's why there is also a 3000, so your probably not looking at the right ones.Also, make sure to find the ones with Broadwell (5000) or Skylake, (6000) series processors, to get the newer ones. You'll know because it'll be in the chip's name.They should be a minimum of 2.2GHZ, but 2.4 and above is best, just remember that these days having the highest clock rate possible isn't really worth the price if you aren't doing something out of the norm like heavy video editing, batch conversion of large files, or frequent high compression of data. Besides, it's just one of many factors, and this holds especially true when deciding between a dual core or quad core, as nearly everything you do uses only 1 core anyway.Look up the various processors on arc.intel.com using Google for speed, and the identifier, E.G. & quot;I7-6300U arc", to find out the specifics.You want at least 3MB shared cash, 4MB is best, and just double those values for a quad core. Hyper threading is useful especially on dual core chips, but it shouldn't be a primary deciding factor, and turbo boost is also important, as long as it actually gives a decent increase in speed, basically anything more than 300MHZ, though it will barely ever even kick in anyway.Keep in mind that the difference between I5 and I7 processors has also been pretty negligeable in the last three years, in terms of how much extra you pay VS how much extra performance you get, and it's unlikely you'll need that power advantage most of the time anyway.Those numbers are useful but dont' really give the full picture so if you want to compare two units to see which is best, then use CPU Boss, and make sure to explore each of the headings to get the info you need, because the statistics are all presented in a format that any consumer should be able to understand, even without much technical knowledge, though the more advanced stuff is there as well if you want it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261220#p261220 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Dell Inspiron 5000 and 7000, not just Dell 15 5000 and 7000.The numbers correspond to I3, I5, and I7 processors, that's why there is also a 3000, so your probably not looking at the right ones.Also, make sure to find the ones with Broadwell (5000) or Skylake, (6000) series processors, to get the newer ones. You'll know because it'll be in the chip's name.They should be a minimum of 2.2GHZ, but 2.4 and above is best, just remember that these days having the maximum processor power isn't really worth the price if you aren't doing something out of the norm like heavy video editing, batch conversion of large files, or frequent high compression of data, and this holds especially true when deciding between a dual core or quad core, as nearly everything you do uses only 1 core anyway.Look up the various processors on arc.intel.com using Google for speed, and the identifier, E.G. "I7-6300U arc", to find out the specific s.You want at least 3MB shared cash, 4MB is best, and just double those values for a quad core. Hyper threading is useful especially on dual core chips, but it shouldn't be a primary deciding factor, and turbo boost is also important, as long as it actually gives a decent increase in speed, basically anything more than 300MHZ, though it will barely ever even kick in anyway.Keep in mind that the difference between I5 and I7 processors has also been pretty negligeable in the last three years, in terms of how much extra you pay VS how much extra performance you get, and it's unlikely you'll need that power advantage most of the time anyway.Those numbers are useful but dont' really give the full picture so if you want to compare two units to see which is best, then use CPU Boss, and make sure to explore each of the headings to get the info you need, because the statistics are all presented in a format that any consumer should be able to unders tand, even without much technical knowledge, though the more advanced stuff is there as well if you want it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261220#p261220 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Dell Inspiron 5000 and 7000, not just Dell 15 5000 and 7000.The numbers correspond to I3, I5, and I7 processors.Also, make sure to find the ones with Broadwell (5000) or Skylake, (6000) series processors, to get the newer ones. You'll know because it'll be in the chip's name.They should be a minimum of 2.2GHZ, but 2.4 and above is best, just remember that these days having the maximum processor power isn't really worth the price if you aren't doing something out of the norm like heavy video editing, batch conversion of large files, or frequent high compression of data, and this holds especially true when deciding between a dual core or quad core, as nearly everything you do uses only 1 core anyway.Look up the various processors on arc.intel.com using Google for speed, and the identifier, E.G. "I7-6300U arc", to find out the specifics.You want at least 3MB shared cash, 4MB is best, and just double those values f or a quad core. Hyper threading is useful especially on dual core chips, but it shouldn't be a primary deciding factor, and turbo boost is also important, as long as it actually gives a decent increase in speed, basically anything more than 300MHZ, though it will barely ever even kick in anyway.Keep in mind that the difference between I5 and I7 processors has also been pretty negligeable in the last three years, in terms of how much extra you pay VS how much extra performance you get, and it's unlikely you'll need that power advantage most of the time anyway.Those numbers are useful but dont' really give the full picture so if you want to compare two units to see which is best, then use CPU Boss, and make sure to explore each of the headings to get the info you need, because the statistics are all presented in a format that any consumer should be able to understand, even without much technical knowledge, though the more advanced stuff is there a s well if you want it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261220#p261220 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Oh I don't know, I think the optical drive was a really redeeming feature of the older Macs, even if the vertical design of the casing practically guaranteed that they'd fail, sooner or later. I wish I'd got one of the 2012 MBPs, just because it was the last "real" MBP. But yeah. I gave up my 2011 iMac, so who the hell am I to say? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261205#p261205 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Oh I don't know, I think the optical drive was a really redeeming feature of the older Macs, even if the vertical design of the casing practically guaranteed that they'd fail, sooner or later. I wish I'd got one of the 2012 MBPs, just because it was the last "real" MBP. But yeah. I gave up my 2011 iMac, so who the hell I am to say? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261205#p261205 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy there,@defender, you sir are quite good at this. :dI just had a look for the lenovo y50 and there seem to be too many varients around, a bit steap, but I guess this would be my second choice if I couldn't catch hold of a macbook 2012.del 15 5000? its a i3 U processer, I think it'll cry and wheap tears just by having jaws running on the thind. Take your time bro, I don't mind the wait, specially when I know that your recommendations will be quite good.The ssd config on a mac really sounds good, btw you are talking about the macbook which comes with a 512 hdd,right? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261201#p261201 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I'm sorry I'm being slow Griff, I can tell you for sure that the Lenovo Ideapad Y50 and the Dell Inspiron 15 5000 and 7000 series are both good bets, but I don't like suggesting anything before I see both written and video reviews on it from at least two different sources, one of which must be an average consumer.This is farther complicated by the relative inaccessibility of some of the big manufacturers site's, which makes it hard to look at specific models, and by the fact that certain configurations often depend on country.I'll look at something for you too Afrim, just give me another day or 4, lol.On another note, I had no idea that the internal super drive on older Macbook models was installed in a standard 2.5 inch bay, that's awesome.It means that you can install Windows and Mac on a 128GB or 240GB SSD, which you can get quite cheap, from 50 to 80 dollars depending on brand and capacity, and then you can use that as an equally split boot drive for both operating systems with room left over for apps, and use the preexisting 1TB drive for large files such as TV shows, movies, audio books, and music if you want.Of course then you wouldn't have a disc drive but really, not a big loss in this age, especially with bootable flash drives.Also, sorry to hear about the screen bullshit happening right outside your warranty, I was lucky in that mine happened about six weeks in, but it still meant that I couldn't use my new laptop for a week.It's apparently stupidly common, and isn't helped by the fact that Apple likes to mix and match the manufacturers for their components, meaning that you never really know if your screen was made by LG, Samsung, or Toshiba.Oh, and if you read the small print at the bottom of the email that Apple sends you when your laptop is done being repaired, you'll notice that they are aloud to use refurbished components to r efurbish your laptop, and they don't have to tell you.Factory certified, but still, kinda sketchy for a 350 dollar service plan don't you think? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261182#p261182 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I'm sorry I'm being slow Griff, I can tell you for sure that the Lenovo Ideapad Y50 and the Dell Inspiron 15 5000 and 7000 series are both good bets, but I don't like suggesting anything before I see both written and video reviews on it from at least two different sources, one of which must be an average consumer.This is farther complicated by the relative inaccessibility of some of the big manufacturers site's, which makes it hard to look at specific models, and by the fact that certain configurations often depend on country.I'll look at something for you too Afrim, just give me another day or 4, lol.On another note, I had no idea that the internal super drive on older Macbook models was installed in a standard 2.5 inch bay, that's awesome.It means that you can install Windows and Mac on a 128GB or 240GB SSD, which you can get quite cheap, from 50 to 80 dollars depending on brand and capacity, and then you can use that as an equally split boot drive for both operating systems with room left over for apps, and use the preexisting 1TB drive for large files such as TV shows, movies, audio books, and music if you want.Of course then you wouldn't have a disc drive but really, not a big loss in this age, especially with bootable flash drives.Also, sorry to hear about the screen bullshit happening right outside your warranty, I was lucky in that mine happened about six weeks in, but it still meant that I couldn't use my new laptop for a week.It's apparently stupidly common, and isn't helped by the fact that Apple likes to mix and match the manufacturers for their components, meaning that you never really know if your screen was made by LG, Samsung, or Toshiba.Oh, and if you read the small print at the bottom of the email that Apple sends you when your laptop is done being repaired, you'll notice that they are aloud to use refurbished components to r efurbish your laptop, and they don't have to tell you.Factory refurbished, but still, kinda sketchy for a 350 dollar service plan don't you think? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261182#p261182 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I'm sorry I'm being slow Griff, I can tell you for sure that the Lenovo Ideapad Y50 and the Dell Inspiron 15 5000 and 7000 series are both good bets, but I don't like suggesting anything before I see both written and video reviews on it from at least two different sources, one of which must be an average consumer.This is farther complicated by the relative inaccessibility of some of the big manufacturers site's, which makes it hard to look at specific models, and by the fact that certain configurations often depend on country.I'll look at something for you too Afrim, just give me another day or 4, lol.On another note, I had no idea that the internal super drive on older Macbook models was installed in a standard 2.5 inch bay, that's awesome.It means that you can install Windows and Mac on a 128GB or 240GB SSD, which you can get quite cheap, from 50 to 80 dollars depending on brand and capacity, and then you can use that as an equally split boot drive for both operating systems with room left over for apps, and use the preexisting 1TB drive for large files such as TV shows, movies, audio books, and music if you want.Of course then you wouldn't have a disc drive but really, not a big loss in this age, especially with bootable flash drives.Also, sorry to hear about the screen bullshit happening right outside your warranty, I was lucky in that mine happened about six weeks in, but it still meant that I couldn't use my new laptop for a week.It's apparently stupidly common, and isn't helped by the fact that Apple likes to mix and match the manufacturers for their components, meaning that you never really know if your screen was made by LG, Samsung, or Toshiba.Oh, and if you read the small print at the bottom of the email that Apple sends you when your laptop is done being repaired, you'll notice that they are aloud to use refurbished components to r efurbish your laptop, and they don't have to tell you.Factory refurbished, but still, kinda sketchy for a nearly 3000 dollar laptop don't you think? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261182#p261182 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I'm sorry I'm being slow Griff, I can tell you for sure that the Lenovo Ideapad Y50 and the Dell Inspiron 15 5000 and 7000 series are both good bets, but I don't like suggesting anything before I see both written and video reviews on it from at least two different sources, one of which must be an average consumer.This is farther complicated by the relative inaccessibility of some of the big manufacturers site's, which makes it hard to look at specific models, and by the fact that certain configurations often depend on country.I'll look at something for you too Afrim, just give me another day or three, lol. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261182#p261182 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc @griff,well, I found a dell laptop which costs around 550 dollars and it is 17 inches, but I cannot go for it. it can't blow my mind. :d@Devin, My language is Albanian cause I live in Albania. No text-to-speech is built for this language by any developer apart from eSpeak, but eSpeak is very incomprehensive. The only synthesiser that does a very bad but acceptable performance is eloquence which does not support it, but it uses Latin alphabet, so I can use it for my language URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261177#p261177 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Affirm, what is your language? There are some choices on the Mac. You have the Vocalizer voices, and Accapella, or Infovox as they’re called. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261171#p261171 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Hi,Afrin, I am having the exact problems as you, and hence the plan to get at a new machine that doesn't lag,or cry on me so often, even though the cpu is usually at 20 10% 3% or so.I'm guessing it might have something to do with the 5400rpm shit hdds that come bundled with most cheap machines out there that's causing these slow downs.I don't think you'd be able to get a good del machine at that range,though sinse dels are usually priced a bit higher than say, lenovo,hp, etc what have you out there. for the same specks and such.Never used a del computer myself so couldn't speak for them,but At least at the mid/lower end product line, their machines often aren't that good quality.Mind you,all this is heresay, and things that I've read. which could be completely wrong and arse backwards.grryf URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261168#p261168 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Hello, I've been using an HP 655 laptop for around 3 years, 262 days, and 17 hours and I'm not disappointed by its strength and hardware performance, but this year I entered university, and things became complicated. 300-400 page books were and still are common, as well as rich word presentations and lectures with every kind of word feature you could ever think of. Moreover, I had to fill in tests with very complex documents my university teachers prepared, containing around 30 tables with nine to 13 rows which only God knows how they manage to write. Now, this laptop freezes a lot, more often than you think. Reading books in microsoft word with jaws is very uncomfortable, and doing the same with NVDA is a nightmare. Though the processor stays at 20% in daily use, when opening any office application like outlook, word or excel it goes higher and higher. However, the laptop never had any technical or hardware issues but it is too slow and I am forced to buy another one. I've been looking carefully at this topic, but I couldn't find something suitable for me since here it is mostly discussed about mak computers which I cannot buy because my language is not supported by any type of synthesiser that exists on the apple side. So I have to buy a laptop running windows. I want a laptop from HP or dell, and that's what I'm looking for. I need a laptop which is a mixture between a notebook and a regular laptop that is around 14 to 16 inches. I want these bloody freezes, sluggishnesses, failures to be gone, though crashes on windows will always be common. What can you recommend me to buy? I'm willing to pay 500 or 600 dollars because my family has to spend money also on other things. Remember that I want anything from HP, dell, or Acer.Thank you.Cheers. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261160#p261160 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I had written that post at least 10 hours before and I couldn't submit the dam thing,because safari and this forum don't like eachh other, or at least VO doesn't like me making posts on here. :d@sebby, I agree, macs and low cost usually don't go together, but what I'm trying to do here is get the notebook which will last me the longest within the price I can pay. Even though I can't get the best mac out there,I guess the lower ends might just do me as well,again as long as they are available around here.Your views regarding macs generally match what I've seen myself, and that's one reason I'm even thinking of macs at all.Funnyly enough, imo macs make the best windows machines out there,although a bit steap in price terms.I had almost forgotten about wwdc, and I'll try and hold on til then because I'm more likely to get a better deal at that point than otherwise, but dunno if I can make do without til then.Thanks, either way, I'll keep all of that in mind when I go to make a purchase. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261153#p261153 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy allThank you all for your suggestions/tips. I really appriciate it.I'd actually write a more,and write what I want to say more often, if this bluetooth keyboard and something to do with do with this forum weren't being such a pest about letting me post, but I digress.The more I heare about the macbook the 2012 version, the more I come to the conclusion that its the machine for me, as long as I'm able to find one around here. :d@defender, couldn't have said that better even if I had tried to.No matter what hardware/software or device what you will, is gonna have pros and cons specific to them,might be same in some cases and quite different in others, but nothing alas is perfect, be it ios, android,mac,windos and so on.As long as you are happy with what you are using,and it works for you,well hey ,a bucketfull of joy to you. Moving on,@defender again, funnyly enough, in that last post of yours you actually answere d all the questions I had but was like meh, let me get a macbook first, or at least verify that I will be able to buy it then ask/worry about replacing the ssd and so on.:dspecificly I was wondering if any ssd could replace the default ssd that comes with the macbooks, and excerdus(sorry for the wrong spelling) further answered my question as to whether the cd/dvd drive could be replaced with another storage device.speaking of, @exodus, Aye, what you say could be true, or you just ended up with a bad apple out of the lot. I.E I have been using lenovo for a while now, and usually the machines that I've gotten from them work farely well,but this last one was a nightmare sinse the day I got the dam thing. well that might be putting that a bit thic,but a few months would be more to the point.Can't even sell it as things stand,as the motherboard itself might have something wrong with it,and if I go to replace the dam thing I might as well not sell it and keep around.@leibylucwgamer, Thank you, I'll gibe the t series and yoga a look, but for now they might be out of my price range. Still, they are quite good, and lenovo is one company that I have used before and its farely good. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261152#p261152 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Oops! I'd have sworn it was a Mac Book Pro, ah well, sorry about that. Hmmm... a refurbished iPad Pro for almost $700? Doesn't sound like that great a deal, isn't that about what they cost brand new? URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261084#p261084 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc OK, so I've been studiously avoiding this topic because the Mac and low-cost are not exactly phrases that go together, but I'm going to clarify some points, mostly because I own and still use recent Mac hardware.BootCamp for Win7 stopped around 2015, yes. My iMac 14 supports it; my Retina MBP 15 doesn't. My two Mac Minis do, but that's not what they're for. And anyway, Win8.1 is just great for me, with Classic Shell. If you buy a Mac and know which model it is, you can look it up on Apple's site to find out which OSs are supported.@grryf: long life is the one thing Apple are the undisputed winner at. Sure there's more choice on the Windows side, but the race to the bottom means that, sadly, a disproportionate amount of it is crap. For every well-build Windows notebook, there are dozen that are badly put together, compromise on the components and still worse the chassis, and are simply not "value for money". It gives me no pleasure saying this, really, because Apple has been getting complacent recently, with several (now mostly resolved) quality issues of their own. What I suggest you do is to pick up the Apple Store app, and see how retail looks where you are. If you can, wait a month, and try again, paying special attention to the Refurbished section. Other stores, likewise, will have clearance. That's because WWDC (Apple's developer conference) is just around the corner, and if there is new hardware to go with the latest release of OS X, there will be a rush on the resale market. There always is. You will want to capitalise on that, if you can. I always go top-spec just because I want to future-proof, and because I get excellent returns from the resale on a machine that's built to last. Of course, my oldest in-use Mac is still going strong at six years, so don't let the thought t hat I'm buying new Macs just because I want the latest shiny give you a false impression in that regard either. I'm bound to say, in fact, that I've never been disappointed by any of my purchases, nor has anybody I've known, either online or offline, and the one time I needed a repair on a notebook I got a complete replacement, and it was the latest model to boot (which is why I now have it). Apple have been good to me, so I'd say go for it.Now, If I had a gripe, it would be as Defender said that Apple is going with the lock-in strategy on upgrades. It's no longer about specs, but fashion, so whatever you get has to have consumer appeal--no professional workstations and no upgradable desktops. There are machines to avoid: these are distinguished by non-upgradability with atrocious starting configurations, for example an iMac with a spinning hard disk when the superior configurations--to be had for unreasonable upgrade prices--all have flash stora ge. Unfortunately, it sounds like you don't have the option of paying the tax, so you must either look to the DIY market on older models or a pre-built refurb. Needless to say, if you can't upgrade the machine, buy the best you can up front. I finally surrendered and bought both Retina MacBook Pro and iMac, and I'm very happy with them despite the bloody fortune I paid for them because they were clearly an improvement over their ageing predecessors, despite their over-emphasis on thinness. You can buy most accessories more cheaply without Apple, so there's no real problem there, just the computers. I guess Apple can count on consumers like me to buy their desirable products, even though I bought both refurbished.Anyway, good luck with your purchase, whatever it turns out to be. Macs are awesome, even as Windows machines. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261119#p261119 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc That famous apple quality? Yeah... got me a macbook pro retna in 2013. ThatMac ran like a dream.. right up til apple care ran out. Then the screen died a few weeks later. It sat on a desk for it's entire life. Cost to replace the screen? 800 pounds is what the guy in the apple store told me. Can't even sell it on to get cash to get a new laptop because broken screen. Saying that, My dad still uses my old 2008 macbook pro that I just stuck an SSD and 8 GB of ram in. It runs surprisingly well.I can only come to one conclusion here. Apple are cheaping out on their ultra thin, high rez(TM) darlings. If you really want to spring for a mac then go for the 2012 macbook pro 13 or 15 if you can find it cheap enough. With the adition of a SSD, and 16 GB of ram the machine will run really well. Don't care about the super drive? you can pull it out and replace it with another 2.5 inch drive bay for more storage. Can also replace the thermal compound if you wan t for better cooling. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261101#p261101 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws and innovations in nearly equal measure. Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will, just like it will probably always feel somewhat cobbled together and be more prone to security threats.I can't really comment on the hole Google VS Apple thing as I don't actually own either of their mobile devices, but I'm guessing it's basically the same.Mostly, it's about personality and how much your willing to put up with, which are both subjective things, and if people didn't want these differing types of user experiences in the first place, (restrictive but reliable), or (ungraceful but freeing), then neither of them would exist anyway, so clearly either everyone is wrong or everyone is right... People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying, so since you both do seem to potentially have useful information to share, then can you just redirect your efforts towards helping the OP, or just not post here and talk about this somewhere else instead? Since it is, after all, a valid, if rather tired, argument to debate on.Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now.Also just wanted to say that I checked out the MacBook Air as well, but unfortunately the only one near your price range has a 128GB SSD, which really isn't going to cut it if your running VM or boot camp, and you actually want to be able to do file sharing, or to have allot of apps on either side.Thankfully, since this mid 2012 model can be serviced at home quite easily, you can just buy an SSD later if you want one, and it should give you a pretty drastic boost in performance.SSD's are now much cheaper than they were even 3 years ago, and as long as your careful to read customer reviews from long time owners and respected technology sites, you can get a 240GB SSD for around 75 bucks, or a 512GB for around 125 bucks, that will last you at least five, up to ten, years. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws and innovations in nearly equal measure. Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will, just like it will probably always feel somewhat cobbled together and be more prone to security threats.I can't really comment on the hole Google VS Apple thing as I don't actually own either of their mobile devices, but I'm guessing it's basically the same.Mostly, it's about personality and how much your willing to put up with, which are both subjective things, and if people didn't want these differing types of user experiences in the first place, (restrictive but reliable), or (ungraceful but freeing), then neither of them would exist anyway, so clearly either everyone is wrong or everyone is right... People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying, so since you both do seem to potentially have useful information to share, then can you just redirect your efforts towards helping the OP, or just not post here and talk about this somewhere else instead? Since it is, after all, a valid, if rather tired, argument to debate on.Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws and innovations in nearly equal measure. Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will, just like it will probably always feel somewhat cobbled together and be more prone to security threats.I can't really comment on the hole Google VS Apple thing as I don't actually own either of their mobile devices, but I'm guessing it's basically the same.Mostly, it's about personality and how much your willing to put up with, which are both subjective things, and if people didn't want these differing types of user experiences in the first place, (restrictive but reliable), or (ungraceful but freeing), then neither of them would exist anyway, so clearly either everyone is wrong or everyone is right... People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying.So since you both do seem to potentially have useful information to share, then can you just redirect your efforts towards helping the OP, or just not post here and talk about this somewhere else instead? Since it is, after all, a valid, if rather tired, argument to debate on.Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws and innovations in nearly equal measure. Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will, just like it will probably always feel somewhat cobbled together and be more prone to security threats.I can't really comment on the hole Google VS Apple thing as I don't actually own either of their mobile devices, but I'm guessing it's basically the same.Mostly, it's about personality and how much your willing to put up with, which are both subjective things, and if people didn't want these differing types of user experiences in the first place, (restrictive but reliable), or (ungraceful but freeing), then neither of them would exist in the first place, so clearly either everyone is wrong or everyone is right.People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying.So since you both do seem to potentially have useful information to share, then can you just redirect your efforts towards helping the OP, or just not post here and talk about this somewhere else instead? Since it is, after all, a valid, if rather tired, argument to debate on.Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws and innovations in nearly equal measure. Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will, just like it will probably always feel somewhat cobbled together and be more prone to security threats.I can't really comment on the hole Google VS Apple thing as I don't actually own either of their mobile devices, but I'm guessing it's basically the same.Mostly, it's about personality and how much your willing to put up with, which are both subjective things, and if people didn't want these differing types of user experiences in the first place, (restrictive but reliable), or (ungraceful but freeing), then neither of them would exist in the first place, so clearly either everyone is wrong or everyone is right.People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying.So since you both do seem to potentially have useful information to share, then can you just redirect your efforts towards helping the OP, or just not post here and talk about this somewhere else instead? Since it is a valid, if rather tired, argument to debate on...Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws and innovations in nearly equal measure. Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will, just like it will probably always feel somewhat cobbled together and be more prone to security threats.I can't really comment on the hole Google VS Apple thing as I don't actually own either of their mobile devices, but I'm guessing it's basically the same.Mostly, it's about personality and how much your willing to put up with, which are both subjective things, and if people didn't want these differing types of user experiences in the first place, (restrictive but reliable), or (ungraceful but freeing), then neither of them would exist in the first place, so clearly either everyone is wrong or everyone is right.People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying.So since you both do seem to potentially have useful information to share, then can you just redirect your efforts towards helping the OP, or just not post here and talk about this somewhere else instead? Since it is a valid, if tired argument to debate on.Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws and innovations in nearly equal measure. Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will, just like it will probably always feel somewhat cobbled together and be more prone to security threats.I can't really comment on the hole Google VS Apple thing as I don't actually own either of their mobile devices, but I'm guessing it's basically the same.Mostly, it's about personality and how much your willing to put up with, which are both subjective things, and if people didn't want these differing types of user experiences in the first place, (restrictive but reliable), or (ungraceful but freeing), then neither of them would exist in the first place, so clearly either everyone is wrong or everyone is right.People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying.Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws and innovations in nearly equal measure. Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will.I can't really comment on the hole Google VS Apple thing as I don't actually own either of their mobile devices, but I'm guessing it's basically the same.Mostly, it's about personality and how much your willing to put up with, which are both subjective things, and if people didn't want these differing types of user experiences in the first place, (restrictive but reliable), or (ungraceful but freeing), then neither of them would exist in the first place, so clearly either everyone is wrong or everyone is right.People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying.Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws and innovations in nearly equal measure. Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will.People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying.Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Stop turning this poor guy's topic into your own personal dick measuring contest for massive tech giants who couldn't give less of a shit about your opinion either way, please and thank you, everyone not blinded by favoritism already knows that Mac and Windows, Android and IOS are both full of flaws, Apple is generally less so, and it's inherently streamlined interface helps it out, but it's catching up quickly do to the death of the (great?) Steve Jobs, and Microsoft still offers far more user customization for free or cheap, and probably always will.People without a few thousand dollars to throw away don't have time for this type of BS, just saying.Yeah thanks for reminding me about that, I'm going to look at a few Windows computers now. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261091#p261091 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
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Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I had to pay Apple to maintain it? Not yet, lol. I just bought a $30 adaptor, and boom, it works. Also, with the Duet app on my iPhone, I don’t even need a monitor, I just plug in my iPhone, launch the app, and there, the Mac runs fine. Of course, I still use one when I have access to it, because sometimes I like letting my step-siblings play games on the Mac, but besides that, I don’t need the monitor really.Also, what walled garden are you talking about? Oh. You’ve gotten iOS and Mac OS confused. iOS is walled up for a pretty big reason, and that is that we often store pretty personal stuff on our phones, and we rarely think about that, and we carry them around. People who have Macs tend to sort of know what they’re doing, so we can have access to the filesystem, the Terminal, and applications that Apple doesn’t even know about. So really, as I said, what walled garden can enclose the Mac’s software?Speaking of software, does Windows 10 have a native spell checker that is system-wide now? Does it have a dictionary, an accessible Mail app, an updated accessible web browser, the ability for it’s TTS system to read almost *any* unicode character including emoji… I ask not to be derisive, but just wondering if Windows has taken any leaps in the right direction. If not, then the Mac welcomes you to all it has to offer. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261087#p261087 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Oops! I'd have sworn it was a Mac Book Pro, ah well, sorry about that. Hmmm... a refurbished iPad Pro for almost $700? Doesn't sound like that great a deal, isn't that about what they cost brand new?@devinpraterSpeak for yourself. Sure, I've played system administrator when I was building my desktops, but once it was built and the software installed, I very rarely had to play system administrator again, I just used them. Same for my laptop, once set up, I'm just a user, not a system administrator. But it's nice to be able to drop into system administrator mode when needed instead of having to pay a service tech to do it.But go a head, be a Mac user in the walled garden Apple has created for you and leave the system administrator tasks to the expensive Apple techs.So, not only is the hardware overpriced, you have to pay Apple to maintain it. No thank you! URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261084#p261084 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Ahoy all@defender, I'd be sure to look specificly for this moddle,then.As for referbished apple macs, I meant not in the USA but my country(india). The laws around here selling official referbished stuff is a bit wierd and iffy, so I am not if apple actually sell referbished moddles. but as I said, I'll look around and see if they actually do or not.speaking of other machines other than macs, could you please suggest a few machines on the windows side that I could go for?I do have a few questions about the mac's memory and such,but let me see if I can actually get one before I worry about these. :dCouldn't have said it better about macs longevity myself,and that's exactly what people around me that have bought macs experienced as well. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261079#p261079 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc The lovely thing about the Mac is that they’re made to be used, not taken apart and put back together just because. Sure, you may need an adapter in the future. I, for example, have to have a display to HDMI adaptor, because my HDMI port stopped working after a few years, not months, of having the Mac. So please, we’re users, not system administrators as Windows sufferers must learn to be. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261078#p261078 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Part of the reason I suggested the model that I did was because it lacks Apple's signature bullshit over the last few years.E.G. glued in place battery, components directly soldered onto the motherboard, a casing that needs a special screwdriver and allot of patients to open, and overly expensive periferals for basic functions such as Ethernet, CD/DVD playback, a MagSafe to MagSafe 2 converter if you want to use most preexisting power cords at schools and businesses when you forget/break yours, and a mini display port to VGA adapter if you want to use the kind of older projectors and screens that institutions still have all over, as well as a mini display port to DVI adapter if you want to use a more modern high resolution display.Did I mention that most of these don't work with Windows even on boot camp? Or that the 80 dollar super drive doesn't even have blue ray support? Which means you'll probably have to go hunting for altern atives.This earlier model comes with a very good slot type CD/DVD drive built in, it's actually the super drive, just internal and slimmed down. It also comes with relatively easy to replace memory and hard drive, as well as user serviceable fan and heatsync, though you may still need a special screwdriver which you can buy online to do so, but that's the price you pay for that protective aluminum clamshell casing that will keep your computer safe from most falls, and at least it won't warp or break when your taking it off like the newer models can.It also still supports Windows 7 natively, and it's hardware is up to date enough to be useful for at least another 2 or 3 major versions of OSX and Windows, based on the way that minimum system requirements keep shrinking every time.As to Apple selling refurbished, yeah, they do, and the article I linked goes into more depth about that, among other things.To Fi gmentFirstly, the older latitudes are the only ones that are built that well unfortunately, the new ones are just stapled and glued together crap, with quote on quote armor coding that comes off when you scratch it with your fingernail, this is as of 2012 or so, and I know this from personal experience as I had to take one apart to clean the fan.The acidic binder in the glue also burned off a layer of skin from my hands, which sucked but wasn't like, E R worthy or anything. Still, I had to let it burn it's self out, because water didn't do much, and of course I couldn't read any warnings that might have been there.Also, my best friend has a Macbook Pro that's lasted him around 8 years as well, and the only reason he got a new one was because the hardware was seriously out of date.This goes along with several other acquaintances over the years who've had both Mac laptops and all in ones that have lasted until t hey were no longer relevant to today's software requirements.I don't exactly know where your getting your information Figment, but where ever it is, the source is obviously highly biased.Macs have, and always have had, an excellent track record in terms of longevity, and so do some other laptops of course, the Lenovo T series, the Panasonic Toughbook, some of the chromebooks, depending on manufacturer of course, and many newer ultrabooks that took their cue's directly from apple and started using diamond cut unibody aluminum casings and flash only storage.But even before that revolution, the ahead of it's time aluminum casing, combined with the apple care plan and the carefully selected hardware and streamlined firmware to keep it at safe levels of operation kept those laptops alive long past what you'd expect of them.I'm not an apple fanboy by any regard, in fact I'm quite unhappy with them right now do to the ridiculous price of their laptop chargers, along with the quality control issues for screens and logic boards from the factory, and when I get a cellphone I'm planning on going with a Motorola G or Blu Life X1, both running the latest version of Android, and at this point I find the Dell XPS series and a handful of others to be a better deal over all than the latest MacBook models, but I also won't flat out deny the facts just so I can attempt to internally validate my preexisting beliefs about an entire tech ecosystem either, lest I be rightfully labeled as a brand elitist. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261075#p261075 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Part of the reason I suggested the model that I did was because it lacks Apple's signature bullshit over the last few years.E.G. glued in place battery, components directly soldered onto the motherboard, a casing that needs a special screwdriver and allot of patients to open, and overly expensive periferals for basic functions such as Ethernet, CD/DVD playback, a MagSafe to MagSafe 2 converter if you want to use most preexisting power cords at schools and businesses when you forget/break yours, and a mini display port to VGA adapter if you want to use the kind of older projectors and screens that institutions still have all over, as well as a mini display port to DVI adapter if you want to use a more modern high resolution display.Did I mention that most of these don't work with Windows even on boot camp? Or that the 80 dollar super drive doesn't even have blue ray support? Which means you'll probably have to go hunting for altern atives.This later model comes with a very good slot type CD/DVD drive built in, it's actually the super drive, just internal and slimmed down. It also comes with relatively easy to replace memory and hard drive, as well as user serviceable fan and heatsync, though you may still need a special screwdriver which you can buy online to do so, but that's the price you pay for that protective aluminum clamshell casing that will keep your computer safe from most falls.It also still supports Windows 7 natively, and it's hardware is up to date enough to be useful for at least another 2 or 3 major versions of OSX and Windows, based on the way that minimum system requirements keep shrinking every time.As to Apple selling refurbished, yeah, they do, and the article I linked goes into more depth about that, among other things.To FigmentFirstly, the older latitudes are the only ones that are built that well unfortunate ly, the new ones are just stapled and glued together crap, with quote on quote armor coding that comes off when you scratch it with your fingernail, this is as of 2012 or so, and I know this from personal experience as I had to take one apart to clean the fan.The acidic binder in the glue also burned off a layer of skin from my hands, which sucked but wasn't like, E R worthy or anything. Still, I had to let it burn it's self out, because water didn't do much, and of course I couldn't read any warnings that might have been there.Also, my best friend has a Macbook Pro that's lasted him around 8 years as well, and the only reason he got a new one was because the hardware was seriously out of date.This goes along with several other acquaintances over the years who've had both Mac laptops and all in ones that have lasted until they were no longer relevant to today's software requirements.I don't exactly k now where your getting your information Figment, but where ever it is, the source is obviously highly biased.Macs have, and always have had, an excellent track record in terms of longevity, and so do some other laptops of course, the Lenovo T series, the Panasonic Toughbook, some of the chromebooks, depending on manufacturer of course, and many newer ultrabooks that took their cue's directly from apple and started using diamond cut unibody aluminum casings and flash only storage.But even before that revolution, the ahead of it's time aluminum casing, combined with the apple care plan and the carefully selected hardware and streamlined firmware to keep it at safe levels of operation kept those laptops alive long past what you'd expect of them.I'm not an apple fanboy by any regard, in fact I'm quite unhappy with them right now do to the ridiculous price of their laptop chargers, along with the quality control issues for sc reens and logic boards from the factory, and when I get a cellphone I'm planning on going with a Motorola G or Blu Life X1, both running the latest version of Android, and at this point I find the Dell XPS series and a handful of others to be a better deal over all than the latest MacBook models, but I also won't flat out deny the facts just so I can attempt to internally validate my preexisting beliefs about an entire tech ecosystem either, lest I be rightfully labeled as a brand elitist. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261075#p261075 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc I just sold my soul to Apple for one of their MacBook Pro models. A 15-inch machine with a 2.8GHZ Intel Core I7 processor with turbo boost up to 4.0GHZ, 16GB of SDRAM, and 512GB of SSD. That, my friend, runs near $3,000.The reason why I'm investing in one is because I'm an Apple mobile user, so integrating a computer machine would be efficient for my mobile devices (my iPhone and iPad). Being able to install a version of Windows makes it all the more worth it, so having a machine dedicated to just Windows isn't necessary, but it is good to have a backup.I'm a music editor and recorder, so Protools, Garage Band, Logic Pro, etc, are such examples of programs only available and accessible on OSX.Macs actually don't lose their retail value, and quite honestly, the hardware is superior. The processor power, RAM, etc, is not part of the equation. I think it's the actual build of the system. The metal will survive for many, many years. Countless users have reported just slowness of the machine after say 7 or more years of using their Mac.Luke URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261058#p261058 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Hi,Thank you figment, but I suppose you have gotten the url slightly wrong. I see a ipad pro on there not a macbook pro.I guess business laptops are defenatly noyt something I could buy for now, but macs are somewhat similar. They aren't really targeted as such, I.E advertised like that, but they are in terms of quality similar to most business cklass laptops if not better.Of course I have never had anything to do with a business laptop or such so I wouldn't know anything about them, but people around me that have had a mac have used the things for ages and ages,that too without issues in which I often tend to run into on my windows macchines after 2 or so years.Say what one will about apple being a tad bit steap when it comes to pricing, but imo you get what you pay for. you pay high but you do get quality.Has anyone used asus machines? if so, how good are they? I know this tends to vary on an machine to machine, but generally len ovo has been good for me, sept in recent years. and they do work,but they aren't something I'd call long lasting.grryf URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261056#p261056 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc If you want to go with a Mac, you might find this interesting, if it's within your budget.http://www.blindbargains.com/bargains.php?m=15299It's a refurbished Mac Book Pro for just undr $690 URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=261007#p261007 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc My laptop is a Dell Latitude which is from their business class products which are better built than most consumer laptops. That may be why it has lasted so long.Anyway, what I have learned is that, if I ever decide to buy a new laptop it will more than likely be another business class model. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260980#p260980 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc
Re: New computer,what should I go for,mac,windows etc Hi,I wouldn't consider 3 years as being long lasting, as that's what my laptops usually last for. 3/4 years,and even then after the 2 year mark they start having issues and things need to be replaced/repaired.That must be some machine you got there, laptops lasting 8 years,with nothing still wrong with them is unheard of. At least I haven't heard of such a thing, specially a non apple computers.I did look through a few machines but all of them or almost all of them have a U processer,ug.So trying to see if I can actually get a i7q at $800 900 or so, if not that then a processer that isn't a U,at least. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=260978#p260978 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector
