Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter
El Duderino;409346 Wrote: Your ears are connected to your brain...really? With all due respect, yes -really-*. I'm pretty sure the ears are connected to the stomach as well, because music sounds better with red wine in there (YMMV). * 'Auditory nerve fibres provide synaptic connections between the hair cells of the cochlea and the cochlear nucleus within the brainstem.' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cochlear_nerve] -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a dedicated sound card, as it's kind of the opposite of what they do here. That said I'd vote for an enhancement request that SqueezePlay become ASIO aware (even though I don't have a sound card that can avoid resampling to 48kHz, or know much about ASIO in general). One of the great things about these devices is that they keep you from having to worry about bit perfect streaming being ASIO dependent, but I can appreciate that some people really want to make use of their expensive cards. But to put it in perspective; I'd rather see them spend months working on the SqueezePlay interface than a week on ASIO support. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
Here is the enhancement request mentioned above: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10483 I voted for this because I use SP a lot on the desktop, and if I get a card that can take advantage of ASIO it would be nice to have the feature available. Reading some past threads re: SoftSqueeze and ASIO I got the impression that beyond SQ, it might be possible to fine tune the latency to improve sync as well. Might have misread that though. Also, there will always be audiophiles who insist on using the long wire approach as seen above, but if you get them using SC they will probably also buy other peripheral players. Oh yeah, and I'm a big proponent of SqueezePlay and want to see it become loved by others as much as me! -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dummy Guide to Digital HiFi
kphinney;377861 Wrote: I'd rate Skunk's posts as some of the most helpful in this forum. He can explain hi-fi fi-tech to a dolt like me, so if he's got the time I'd take advantage of him. Heck, I may even buy the book. Thanks, but there are a lot of people here with a much better understanding of digital hiFi, and a better way with words too. I vote that Opaqueice and Patrick Dixon team up to write it. That I would buy. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dummy Guide to Digital HiFi
kphinney;378126 Wrote: Personal preference perhaps. Opaqueice and Pat Dixon may be able to instruct on a mid-to-upper level, but I tune in to your posts at my lower level. That was kind of a joke, as they are usually at odds. Though it *would* be more of an interesting read to have two opposing viewpoints. E.g. the Mac guy and PC guy hanging out commercials (notice they never invite the Penguin though...). Another problem is I'd be Squeeze-biased. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audible vs inaudible
ar-t;372642 Wrote: Anyway, digital cables: we have tried many more lengths, and obviously longer ones, than you did. Not sure I would agree with your conclusion, but at least you were open to it. I remember ordering the 1.5m length from Blue Jeans after researching because I had read something about reflections interfering with the transmission, especially at 1 meter (which happend to be the size I actually needed). I'd be curious to know what the optimal length is, and the reasoning behind it, but probably won't be reordering another one any time soon. If this is something that can/has been demonstrated on a scope, I'd love to see what cheap video cable produces compared to high dollar stuff, at varied lengths. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56712 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Am I imagining this? Squeezecentre 7.3 sounds worse than 7.2.1?
Stratmangler;372037 Wrote: All I can say further is to try the experiment - if you can't hear a difference then fine, use 7.3 - if you can hear a negative difference then stick with 7.2.1 . I would try it if I had an extra Receiver, or two Squeezeboxes, and a DAC with two digital inputs, for a more convenient A/B. It probably wouldn't be too much trouble for someone with a nice home theater processor and two players using different versions of SC. Since that's not me, I'd be afraid the time it takes to reconnect stuff would give inconclusive results. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Direct to power amp?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 Question: Direct to power amp? - Yes - No Pneumonic;363198 Wrote: I would submit then that this is an issue that should be fixed? Plenty of companies have designed digital volume controlled preamps that don't suffer this problem. Maybe bring in some Wadia designers to get it right? The difference between the Wadia and Transporter is that the Wadia only has to play a CD, while the Transporter runs much more complex software. E.g. you can't synch four Wadia cd players like you can four Transporters, or listen to internet radio etc. The only potential for non-music output from the CD player is if the disc skips, while with Transporter there is a much higher possibility for a software glitch. As far as the digital attenuation, Wadias appear to function very much like the Squeezeboxes: http://wadiastore.com/technology/technicalpapers/Digital_Volume_Control_2.pdf Whereas the Transporter one-ups them by adding adjustable analog attenuation inside the device to maximize the signal to noise ratio/ limit the maximum output level/ and still provide the convenience of a remote controlled digital attenuator. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Direct to power amp?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 Question: Direct to power amp? - Yes - No Pneumonic;363467 Wrote: I'm thinking specifically of the Wadia DAC's (as opposed to their transport line) which successfully employ digital volume attentuation and which don't seem to suffer any unexpected loud noise issues because of glitches. If that DAC had a web interface to control the volume, the same caveat would exist- but more importantly the fact remains that it's a less than ideal implementation of DVC. Glitches/bursts are moot if you set the jumper correctly, or use a fixed attenuator on the SB, which will allow you to use the VC in its _upper ranges_, the ideal way. Are you afraid a couple resistors will harm the SQ more than reducing the SNR of the DAC significantly (if a lot of attenuation is required)? -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Direct to power amp?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 Question: Direct to power amp? - Yes - No Pneumonic;363471 Wrote: The noise I am referring to is the unexpected and potentially damaging noise that one might encounter if things malfunction when you are running your TP direct into your power amp without any form of external attenuation. And the noise Sean was referring to was the self generated noise of the DAC, E.g. the Wadia DAC. It maintains this level of self noise even when the signal is digitally attenuated, therefore there is the same amount of noise, and less signal, which equates to a lower SNR ratio. There is no way around it in digital attenuation, while analog attenuation OTOH attenuates the self generated noise of the device along with the signal. You shouldn't be setting the jumpers to avoid a software glitch or human error, if you care about sound quality, you should be setting them to get the highest possible performance out of the DAC. The same goes for the Wadia. It would be better to use analog attenuation before the amp so that you can get the highest SNR out of the DAC you paid dearly for. edit: in theory that is... -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Direct to power amp?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 Question: Direct to power amp? - Yes - No Pneumonic;363494 Wrote: Again, my concern is not the noise inherent in the specific chip design/implementation but rather the noise that could potentially result from a glitch in the volume control system that could potentially damage my speakers. If you're able to listen to music and not destroy anything at maximum volume on the SB/Transporter, then even white noise will not damage your equipment. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp
sxr71;359812 Wrote: He's new and may not know what the word audiophile means. What does audiophile mean to you? DeVerm is using a Pioneer car amp (IIRC), in a boat, but is allowed to post about it in the audiophile section? I have a Mcintosh amp, cd player, and $1k pair of component speakers in my car, but it's not audiophile. OTOH, my $100 Super T-amp hooked up to my $300 Fostex speakers _is_ audiophile, and you can come over and listen if you doubt me :-) -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53288 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dummy Guide to Digital HiFi
My GF hangs out with the managing editor for Dummies series, small world! I would consider just providing a bunch of links with brief explanations, or starting a wiki page here you can direct them too. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp
DeVerm;360920 Wrote: Boat???!!! BOAT??!!! Yacht!! like with sails etc. the way a yacht ought to be ;-) No offense, but to be fair you referred to it as a boat many times yourself (in the following linked thread). It might well be a Kenwood amp, I don't even know for sure and it's built in somewhere beyond vision! No, it's a Pioneer amp. And yes, i should get a life for remembering: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52570 But you forget that I use these very special marine quality speaker cables that more than compensate for any minor flaws that my car-amp might have. Doesn't matter, unless -apparently- they are over 50'. Plus, it's 12V battery powered so nil distortion from bad stuff from AC outlets! All this is very audiophile imo! That's what in my car (Which is actually a truck!!!). I could add some more about the custom speaker system but I'm afraid it won't help me much making my case ;-) ciao! Nick. I'm just messing w/ you Nick :-) -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53288 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dummy Guide to Digital HiFi
SuperQ;360930 Wrote: A couple of things come to mind for organization to help make the book future-proof For clarification, were you asked to write a Dummies series book Pablolie? fWIW I think a wiki article here explaining the diff between configuring a PC for bit perfect digital output vs. the ease of setting up a squeezebox might be good marketing material. E.g. you can find a lot of good technical info on Benchmark's site, but the good thing about SB is that you don't need to worry about ASIO etc. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55131 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Nonreality;357726 Wrote: Skunk, do you really think that I was starting a political thread with that? I really was just hoping that things get going better for you and me. I didn't mean to be political, I just want things to get better for my kids and your kids if you have them. I didn't mention any candidates or winners or losers or any agenda. It was quite an election and I really hope they all get it together for the US and the World. Maybe too simplistic I know, but I can still hope. Substitute off-topic for political to avoid that argument, and realize that the moderators here have a lighter hand than most other forums (especially considering it's corporate-sponsored). Most of them don't feel the need to have ego boosting titles (E.g. you may not even know you were talking to one earlier). To me this indicates a complete lack of the power tripping you're implying. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
tomjtx;357524 Wrote: Can we attack someone minus hominemally ? I don't think so, but you could pull out the inverse ad hominem: he has spent a fortune on that stereo, so I believe him when he says the cables make a difference -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Nonreality;357493 Wrote: You will never have good forums by being repressive with threats and banning. Where does it end? If we say something bad about the program are we at risk? This is the start of the end. Just avoid attacking anyone ad hominemally and you shouldn't have to worry about bans/warnings. It's pretty easy to play by these rules in real life, because someone might knock your teeth out some day if you say the wrong thing. Under the cloak of anonymity the tongue grows sharper. Considering that they let you have your political thread in General discussion, I'd really say you're barking up the wrong tree here. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
This is not about the nuances of the word bum. It's scary that people who have such similar interests can disagree so vehemently on the difference of such minor things as having an external power supply vs. not. Am I back in the third grade or what? At the very least, it's job security for some. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp
lanierb;354435 Wrote: I don't think anyone is missing that. It's just that if you want neat, unobtrusive and cheap and you don't care much for sound quality, then it doesn't belong here. That begs the question, how short must the speaker cable be to merit discussion in the audiophile forum. I would guess, at 8 ohms, around 75-100 feet for 12 gauge romex. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53288 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp
pski;348516 Wrote: Look The thing you want to do is limit the speaker cable length. Actually using these devices, there won't be any long runs of speaker (or any other cable.) Line level is what runs between most devices. It can go as far as most houses are long plus the necessary up and down distances. For most people the only line level lines are from the cd player to the receiver. That is SO wrong from a comprehension standpoint. What these (slim devices) gizmos do is to replace the long runs of LINE LEVEL cables with wifi. At the end of that wifi connection you run into a line level input which would be a power amp plugged into a SB or a Receiver and then you can control what plays there with your remote/web interface. Volume too for you morons. Speaker cables running through your house? You don't have a clue.. P Speaker level signals can go as long as a houe (plus up and down as you mentioned), but are a higher level signal which would seem less prone to interference. And for the morons, volume is still adjustable with long speaker level runs. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53288 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 wireless to router Vs. Sb3 wired to Hub wireless to router
Phil Leigh;346726 Wrote: I've heard of it - I just can't imagine how anyone driving by my house would be able to know what valid MAC asdresses are setup on my router or how they would have the time to find out... The MAC is broadcast along with packets, so it's pretty trivial for the bad guy to sniff them and set his NIC to use that MAC address. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53018 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp
JJZolx;346667 Wrote: My biggest reservations would be: - Having just one (or just two or...) Controller. - Only being able to use the Squeezebox's control for volume. He did mention using a speaker level VC in each zone, but I agree that more than one Controller would be ideal. A laptop or tablet PC can control them from the web interface, or if there is other home automation in place there are some plugins to use those control panels. Having finally seen a pic of the back* I was surprised that it didn't have any gain adjustments. It will definitely require some form of analog attenuation, because that amp could probably blow in-ceiling speakers pretty easily. I could be wrong, but I don't think the speaker level attenuation will provide the same protection as line level attenuation. In-line RCA attenuators of a level that keeps the speakers from blowing when the on-wall VC is maxed out and the Squeezebox's VC is at max as well may be necessary. I would probably try with just the wall VC first, and see if it being set to normal ranges attenuates the max signal from the SB enough. RCA attenuators could always be added later if needed. The pic also brings up the fact that the switches for global vs. local input are inconveniently located on the back of the unit. I'd set it backwards in the closet for easy access to those, but for local music the improved synch in 7.3 will probably be more convenient to use and work fine. *http://www.smarthomeusa.com/Products/A1260/manuals/A1260-instructions.pdf -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53288 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp
DeVerm;346446 Wrote: B: I'll assume you don't count the SBC here, but how about the speakers? do you count those as equipment? You will see speakers or there will be no -or muffled- sound. Ceiling speakers are visible just like small wall-mounts. Most in-ceiling or in-wall speaker grills are made to be painted to match the wall. On-wall speakers would be much more intrusive. I really miss the objective of the required sound-quality, which would be my 1st requirement, regardless of the level of quality you decide on as the minimum... this requirement should be in your list. If, for some rooms, you just want to listen to talk-show radio, I agree that in-ceiling will do but if you love to swing to some good music in the kitchen or bedroom (!) you would be better of with decent wall-mount or floorstanding speakers. I believe you're projecting your own situation onto Xanadu. You have one system that you have to make do with, so understandably you want it to be audiophile quality. Xanadu said he wants to put _most_ of his SBR's in a closet, which to me means he probably has a more SQ-oriented system in his theater or listening room. If you replace the music-server with a NAS you will not be able to run iTunes, correct. But you didn't say that before. It will run on the server and you can download a free application (called Remote) for iPod-touch and iPhone that will allow you to use these devices as wifi-remote for the iTunes server. You can also use them to control SC with another application (iPeng). I'm not sure where iTunes came into play. To feed six zones unique music you'd need six sound cards in the server and six instances of iTunes running, with the ability to choose which sound card you're controlling via the Touch. I know it's possible with Squeezecenter and SoftSqueeze, but doubt it could be done with iTunes. I had to take another look at the Boom and to me it looks sleek and minimalistic enough. Okay, it's black and white and silver (how about electropolished stainless steel) versions would be nice but I'm pretty sure they will show up in time. The bedroom is the one place where I'd rather have a Boom (but probably not bookshelf/floorstanding speakers) than ceiling speakers. In the kitchen, bathroom, dining room, back porch, garage, atrium, etc.- I'd just as soon use ceiling or other nearly invisible speakers, if my house were properly set up for it. Even with your A+B requirements I would still not buy that amp. The universal input is more than an A/B selector. He can choose to send the same audio to SIX zones, not just A or B. AFAICT, it's a brilliant solution, and possibly the only one, for synchronizing six zones of internet radio. Using separate amps he's at the mercy of the buffers in his players. If you can fit speakers in the ceiling you surely can fit the SBRs in there too and find a small amp to go with it or even better active speakers. Not an option due to electrical codes. Where would it be plugged in, and how would you access the button on front? Also, most rooms will have some furniture like a closet where you could hide the very small SBR in. Speakers like the Mirage ones I mentioned before could go on top of the closet where you would hardly be able to see them and maybe even hide a mini-sub somewhere else if you need to feel the bass! If you would do that with ceiling-speakers, the chalk would be falling down like if it's snowing ;-) That's what he's going to do. Hide them in a closet. An added benefit of having them all together is that they will a) all get the same wireless reception, which I would hope will be good reception with the router placed nearby, or: b) he can run ethernet cable more easily, if his router and hubs are in there too. The subwoofer I can see too because I know where it is (up from the floor under the saloon table) but I have to point it out to guests who are looking at the satellites with big eyes and open mouths because they think the bass is just from those ha ha! Such is the nature of low frequencies. BTW, there are in-wall subwoofers on the market as well. Anyway, good luck with the install! Indeed. I've thought this would be a great application of SBR's since the day they were released. Please let us know how it works out, and post a pic or two if you've got the time. Cheers! -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53288 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp
DeVerm;345805 Wrote: You sure must be trolling and I must admit you're better at it then I am :) If you're not trolling, you better re-think your strategy. Like putting a couple of Booms around the house. Given the ubiquity of in-ceiling speakers for whole house audio (here in the States anyway), and the fact that you can't put an amp and Squeezebox in the attic above them, I'd say the OP is asking a serious question. Xanadu Wrote: Anyone have an opinion on this amp? I'm considering putting this in a central closet and putting most of my Duet recievers in the same closet. Then I'll just run speaker wire to each zone (in ceiling speakers). http://www.thenerds.net/CHANNEL_VISI...ffid=3#reviews My only thought is that you could get the same amount of amplification from three $100 Audio Source Amp100's, which are pretty well reviewed here and on the Parts Express Web site: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=302-601 -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53288 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp
iPhone;345935 Wrote: And do you really need 6 stereo channels IE 6 rooms and 6 SBRs? If the answer is NO, then there are much better solutions available. A six channel amp serves three rooms. One other thought though; if you have speakers in adjacent public rooms (e.g. kitchen/dining), you can take advantage of the two sets (A/B or A+B) of speaker outputs provided by the Audio Source amp, using only one Squeezebox as source. They will probably never play unique music anyway, and synchronization will be perfect. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53288 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Whole house Amp
xanadu;346026 Wrote: Also, this is a 12 channel amp or 6 stereo channels. Ah, that site lists power output as 6 X 70W RMS, which would be wrong. Seems like a pretty good deal though. The global input would be really nice for internet radio, and would save a lot of bandwidth vs. streaming to three synched players. Thanks for everyone's replies, or at least most of them. If anyone else wants to chime in feel free. I'm off to go Troll somewhere else -Landon In DeVerm's defense, it *is* more of a General Discussion setup versus Audiophile, and somewhat backwards use of the technology. Plus he is on a boat, and could be drinking scotch at any given time. One of the great things about Squeezeboxes is that you can have short line level and speaker level runs to higher quality amps or powered speakers in each zone, which is fundamentally different (for the better to audiophiles) than the home-run setup like you have. There's nothing wrong with the home-run/star setup if you're not after the highest quality. It also brings novel possibilities like using SoftSqueeze/SqueezeSlave hardware emulators on the server in the closet, if you can install and configure multiple sound cards. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53288 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning
opaqueice;338672 Wrote: Try bringing an iphone near any powered-on stereo system (or computer speakers, or telephone for that matter). You'll here this annoying dit dit ditdit noise when the iphone is downloading data. Try with the Boom, it's really well shielded/designed, and doesn't make the noise. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Golden ears or amusia? Read this science-article and test yourself on-line!
DeVerm;339442 Wrote: Amusia actually proves that we don't hear the sound that enters our ears but a brain-processed result of which that sound-input is only a part. Nothing groundbreaking there; the reality we construct from our senses is based on perception. Nonetheless, recordings are manipulated by engineers who add air and separation (with good reason according to the article), and the audiophile's goal is to recreate the stimulus as accurately as possible. Sure it's a misguided pursuit for some, but you can't say that pulling the speakers out from the wall and hearing more separation is placebo. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Golden ears or amusia? Read this science-article and test yourself on-line!
justNigel;339476 Wrote: Yes, the test is perfectly suited to laptops and crappy speakers. N But not girlfriends in the other room. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52501 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] is there THAT much difference betweeen SB3 ran through quality DAC and Transporter?
ezkcdude;336953 Wrote: Snap! I was just about to say the same thing until I read your post. But it was an Alanis Morrisette. Like a black fly in your chardonnay, mistaken irony :-) jh901;329962 Wrote: I hope you aren't confusing my Stuttgart stud horse with that flimsy prancing thing from Italy! -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs 'Duet + Benchmark Dac1-Pre'
radish;336373 Wrote: Interesting graphs. So what's the theory to explain the last one? I can't imagine any way that applying a scaling function to two discreet audio streams in software would affect crosstalk (but then I'm not always very imaginative!). My guess would be the device has a baseline level of crosstalk, e.g. from the circuit board layout, and as we lower the signal with digital attenuation, the level of crosstalk noise stays the same, or relatively speaking- increases. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter vs 'Duet + Benchmark Dac1-Pre'
joeriz;336153 Wrote: Just another data point here regarding the volume control on the Transporter (or the SB3 for that matter) as there has been much churning here on the forums about dropping bits, etc: I run my Transporter directly into my power amp which has no volume control. Thus, I must use the Transporter's volume control. I have never heard a difference nor have I been bothered in the least by the sound quality when playing the Transporter with the volume set at any level...even towards the bottom of its range (i.e. close to maximum attenuation). Just my experience...YMMV. Joe FTR there is more to it than dropping bits. Most importantly you could be risking your hearing/speakers if there is no analog attenuation between the Transporter and the amp, depending on the amp's sensitivity. Most amps will need to be regulated by some form of attenuation OTHER than digital, just in case there is a software glitch. The Transporter does provide jumpers for analog attenuation, but that makes your comparison to the SB3 volume control inaccurate. There are also very measurable effects of using digital volume control, and they are proportional to the amount of attenuation from 99/100 down to 1/100. There is no middle point in there where it starts to degrade, rather it's a linear degradation. This link* shows it perfectly. Graphs like that in Stereophile might help explain why one device costs so much more than the other, and God knows there are plenty of tweaks out there that people pay a lot for without making improvements like those. Could it be...Satan? g * http://mysite.verizon.net/forumwebspace/RightMark/Test%20Reports/Volume.htm -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51868 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
No, but for the discriminating listener I'll be performing audiophile modifications to the unit including: *Replacement of wall wart with much heavier linear supply. *Addition of silver speaker wires internally. *Coating of C-41 lacquer on woofers. *Removal of metal speaker grills. (not recommended for audiophiles with children) -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is Boom good enough for audiophile use
Nonreality;333508 Wrote: Skunk I know you're are a smart guy but do you really think this is worth the trouble? Silver speaker wire with the included speakers? I guess if you need a hobby. Hook, line, and sinker ;-) If nothing else it would help with the inexpensive issue Pat mentioned. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51624 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
I like the analogy too. Transcoding from one format to another is kind of like a 'studio' effect, so in essence we're all running our own little studio and archives. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Start Small or Jump to Transporter?
struts;331436 Wrote: Point being, that whether you rip a CD on a computer or play it on a CDP you are very likely to end up with exactly the same bits. Of course that is not what some marketeers would have you believe... I agree WRT pristine discs, but a lot of the discs in my collection aren't. If EAC is given hours to 'end up with the exact same bits' on a test and copy but repeatedly fails, I don't see how it could be done in real time using a CDP. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Start Small or Jump to Transporter?
cliveb;331486 Wrote: The point Struts is making is that an audio CD player is designed to deal with uncorrectable errors by using interpolation to mask them. Quite often the repair is audibly undetectable. A ripper, meanwhile, keeps trying to re-read the CD and (if the damage is bad) eventually gives up. Then we can say: Whether using a CDP or ripper, you are likely to end up with the same 'errors', or errors in the same places, but not the exact same 'bits'. I think Iphones point was that at least with a media server you know you're playing the right bits (given a secure rip), whereas unless your CDP still has error correction indicators, you really don't know. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] digital is digital OR NOT
gsawdy;322913 Wrote: I seem to recall that two of the things that were important in the development of the Transporter were jitter and power supply. (Could be wrong/forgetful here.) The keyword there is development. Transporter was designed/developed to have critical stages powered by dedicated super-regulated supplies, while OTOH any linear supply -no matter how good- that is plugged into a Squeezebox still has an internal switching supply in the path before reaching the digital or analog stages. This is a well-covered topic in this forum, so if you're interested a search of the archives will turn up a lot of info. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50147 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Volume setting
BigTony;309307 Wrote: Sorry, maybe i didn't make myself clear . My SB3 is connected to an eexternal DAC, and including settings i have 'digital output fixed', but if i use the remote control the volume changes. I noticed this because one day there was no sound, and it turned out to have been turned down via the remote. That's odd. Are you sure you clicked 'apply' at the bottom of the interface after changing the setting to fixed? -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48290 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Volume control question-Does it threw out bits?
Patrick Dixon;308012 Wrote: Any reduction in the signal level in the digital domain, will affect the signal to noise level at the DAC, but then so will any subsequent signal reduction in the analogue domain I thought analog attenuation reduced the signal and noise together, which would leave the ratio between the two the same, e.g. signal=10/noise=1 attenuated to signal=5/noise=.5 is still a ratio of 10 to 1 and the same SNR. Apologies if this is wrong or I misunderstood the noise you refer to that is added by the analog scenario. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48368 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Volume setting
The fixed settings is for the digital output, not analog. If you want fixed volume for analog then set it to max and disable replay gain. The settings are in SettingsPlayersAudio. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48290 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 Volume setting
It looks like there is a 'direct' mode on your amp to avoid bass/treble/balance controls, which might be worth trying if you're after improved SQ. http://www.arcam.co.uk/downloads/support%20faq%20matrix/OLD%20HANDBOOKS%20PAGE/HBOOKS/ALPHA%207%208%208P%20HANDBOOK.pdf -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48290 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audiophiles and oenophiles
If they're talking about two buck chuck (grocery wine), versus $55 Napa Cab, then shouldn't we be talking about an A/V receiver that makes everything sound the same, versus an accurate system. I actually *like* my system because it's ruthlessly revealing, but I'm sure some would prefer their A/V receiver and Bose speakers because it makes ALL their albums sound 'good'. But when the differences end it does seem silly to wax eloquent on the benefit of speaker cable A vs B, or this particular vintage decanted and drank from Reidel, vs paper cups. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=47395 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] audio insanity
opaqueice;296736 Wrote: As for the sound, well... designing a crossover network to properly integrate a six-way horn system like that is likely to be very difficult. Not to mention the time alignment needed to have the main horn sounds arrive at the same time as the bass horns. I'm in the 'give the guy a break' camp though. That could just as easily be a $500,000 painting on the wall, or a collector's car in the garage that never gets driven, both of which would provide much less overall enjoyment. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46270 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Songs you use for critical listening
I'm a big fan of well recorded classic rock, but unfortunately not a lot of it exists. Even the MFSL version of Allman Brothers at Fillmore East is pretty terrible. So anyway, when I'm listening for differences I usually pick a couple of the not-so-well recorded albums, to see which option makes these things I love to hate more tolerable. OTOH, I doubt there a system in existence where Muddy Waters Folk Singer or Neil Young Unplugged doesn't sound great. Those, I believe, belong on the list of 'tracks to show off my system'. I would, however, highly recommend the great sounding BB King Live At The Appolo [GRP]. Beyond the great voice and guitar there is also a big band backing him up, which adds a lot of depth and usefulness as a listening tool. It must have been a two mic recording, if that's the right term, because every instrument really nestles into its own defined space in the soundstage, front to back as well as side to side. This, I believe, makes it a good test of speaker placement, and keeps sounding better until you have it just right. I still haven't decided if they are here or I am there though. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46640 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller
Robin Bowes;287487 Wrote: The Squeezebox uses this: So, you can reduce the level of the signal by 8 bits before resolution starts dropping off the end: Wouldn't the last four ones be lost in the noise floor though? If that is the case you really only have 4 bits to play with before resolution gets lost in noise. Also, if the DAC has 120dB dynamic range, and you attenuate 8 bits, you're only left with 72dB of dynamic range. I just figure if I'm going to have the preamp in the path regardless (integrated amp), I may as well send it the best source signal I can. I do understand that people with power amps may have different views though, and would like to try the power amp with fixed attenuator thing someday. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45736 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] naim volume control with squeezebox controller
radish;287091 Wrote: This one has the info you need, if you can read through the flaming :) http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44546highlight=digital+volume+control Another good thread is the one you can find by searching for ' the you still have all the bits concept is completely flawed' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30916) . -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45736 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jvc Xrcd
I say skip the mains cable and only buy gold discs. Not sure what it is but that gold sure sounds good. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45659 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sb3/sc/24-96 ?
It still works for me with 96kHz FLAC. In SettingsAdvancedFile Types make sure that the native stream format is enabled. If you transcode to .wav on the server it won't work, although I only get loud static and no sense of music. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44987 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3+Lavry DA10: advise on volume setting
didbox;281361 Wrote: By Keep the SB3 volume at fixed, do you mean that I have to desactivate the digital volmue control of the SB3 or just set it to a specific value and keep it fixed at that value? Setting the SB3 to max volume is essentially the same thing as having the volume fixed, so I don't see any reason to use the fixed setting. Even though I have a preamp in the chain I use the SB3's volume control for convenience, but for critical listening I set the SB3 to max and adjust at the preamp. Please, just to understand, could you explain why you advise to keep the SB3 volume at fixed? Most people keep it high because they do not want to lose any bits of resolution. Supposedly the volume algorithm, which includes padding to 24 bits to give headroom, is transparent down to a certain level (below 60/100 IIRC). Only at max volume, and with no replay gain I assume, will the original 16 bit signal be passed through the SB3. This allows e.g. a DTS signal to be passed through to a receiver that decodes those, or a DAC that decodes HDCD. Since the volume process is mostly/fully transparent, there's probably no audible difference between 90/100 and max, but there is more to the story. The SB3 has a fixed level of noise, and using the digital volume control decreases the signal but not the noise level. Therefore you have less SNR, and the more attenuation you apply the lower it goes. OTOH if the volume on the SB3 is maxed, and you instead use an analog volume control in preamp or external attenuator form (not sure how the lavry works), the volume and the noise will be attenuated together, and you maintain the SB3's SNR. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44989 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Used equipment question
opaqueice;276376 Wrote: (However I should note that the experimental fact that volatile compounds evaporating from nearby flasks containing alcohol solutions seem to have a mysterious effect which evidently compensates quite satisfactorily for these deleterious consequences.) Is Bourbon an acceptable VOC? At any rate, the key for me is making sure it *doesn't* evaporate, by drinking it quickly. Trust me, you'll forget all about the scratches! -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44317 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New setup: Passive plus amp or Active??
It's not just the white noise of death phenomenon you have to worry about though. The volume is not only digital, but controlled by some pretty complex software. E.g. there was a bug where the Controller would shoot up to max volume after a certain sequence of events. Loud music isn't as bad as white noise, but something like this is always a possibility too: MeSue;273330 Wrote: Yesterday we had a lot of power flickering off and on throughout the day, but by the time I went to use the Squeezebox, I had forgotten and the Squeezebox worked fine. Until about 10 minutes into the music, that is! At that point the Squeezebox made an ear-drum piercing loud screech, and I about had heart failure. By the time I gathered my wits about me and looked at the screen, it showed a gob of lit pixels repeatedly scrolling from right to left. Never seen anything like that before. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=44164 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Attenuators-recommendations
mr_bill;262997 Wrote: I am using Transporter direct to amp with digital volume control - but it gets pretty loud at -20 to -25db on the volume scale. That's what is prompting my concern. Am I losing too much resolution with my scenario? Even if you're not losing resolution or noticing the drop in SNR the more important question is can your speakers handle the full scale signal should the digital volume control accidentally get bumped. If you get an attenuator that allows the level of volume you're hearing at -20dB to be heard at 0dB then you'll have peace-of-mind about all things considered. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42698 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lushness!
GuyDebord;261435 Wrote: Perhaps there is a regular in this forum that might defend it and back it up,, Let's see; it's advertised as The World's Greatest Tweak. From Merriam-Webster Online: Main Entry: tweak Function: verb 3: to make usually small adjustments in or to So if a tweak is a usually small adjustment, this would indeed seem to qualify as one of the world's greatest -meaning smallest- adjustments. What is not defensible is their use of the classic sci-fi movie quote, and the babies-r-us coupon counter at the top. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42583 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pathos Classic vs. Leben CS600
selfdivider;257236 Wrote: My source component will be either the TP or a server connecting directly to my integrated amp via Lynx L22 (fed from SB3: thanks for this ingenious solution, NewBuyer!) That sounds convoluted. The benefit of slim devices is getting the server out of the same room you're listening in. If you're using the soundcard-amp wouldn't it be just as easy to use Softsqueeze rather than an actual SB3? -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=42067 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile review of McIntosh music server
Pale Blue Ego;250347 Wrote: The review concluded that a little bit of computer savvy, a $300 Slim Devices Squeezebox, and that same DAC will get you to the same sonic place for significantly less. Thanks for sharing. Just thought I'd mention you could also get a Transporter instead and save another $800. Not sure where that would get you sonically, but IIRC Stereophile really rated the Transporter. Of course you'd still need to obtain the computer savvy. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=41214 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any changes to FW v.83 that would effect sound?
tonyptony;246632 Wrote: Hoping someone from Slimdevices will chime in to tell us what may have happened with v.83. In the meantime, I'd surmise that the visual stimulation of a new interface is what led to the perceived improvement in sound. The re-naming may have been a factor as well, although people in the UK would probably notice a _decrease_ in SQ due to the misspelling. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Adding some bass?
Gibbo;242257 Wrote: an active sub should have a speaker level in, that can connect to a speaker cable from the standard amp left and right outputs? how does this connect with the speakers that are also connected? series? parallel? You can use the 'Tape Out' RCA connectors on the NAD to feed the sub a line level signal instead of speaker level, so long as the sub has left and right RCA inputs (not just a single LFE input which is meant to be feed by home theater receivers). I would also look for a sub with a crossover frequency control in addition to volume control, which will help you blend the sound with your main speakers. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40177 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Adding some bass?
SatoriGFX;242373 Wrote: The Tape Out will be fixed in level meaning the sub volume will not change as you raise/lower the volume. Oops. I guess it's been awhile since I've had a tape output. I noticed the preamp jumpers or would've suggested that instead. Not exactly the best idea unless you have a slave you can hire to adjust the sub volume as you adjust the amp volume. With the variation in bass from album to album, I practically end up doing that anyway. No truly high end setup would be complete without an audio slave though. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40177 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] VDC-SB: Power supply for SB from CIAudio
tyler_durden;230859 Wrote: An external supply can't eliminate the noise from the internal switcher. TD But it can reduce jitter, or at least it could on the SB2: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15201highlight=jitter+super+reg Whether the change in jitter is audible is up for debate. I too quit using the linear supply when I went with an external DAC because I couldn't detect a difference. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38738 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Someone tell me I am crazy!
opaqueice;231502 Wrote: Godwin's Law +1. Did I miss the Nazi reference, or do you mean Darwin? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=38628 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Another article on the loudness war ... talks about SlimDevices
Nikhil;222379 Wrote: Wouldn't it be great if music became available in some sort of unmixed multitrack format - Trent Reznor did this with a recent album: http://ninremixes.com/multitracks.php Out of curiosity I compared the mixed stereo (top) to the unmixed bass and percussion (bottom and middle respectively). I'm guessing a quiet audiophile version with lots of dynamic range wouldn't have won the contest :-) +---+ |Filename: tracks.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3162| +---+ -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37844 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sb4 ?
opaqueice;221842 Wrote: Patrick Dixon wrote: It's not. Can you back that up, or are you simply making assertions? Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35881 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sb4 ?
Pat Farrell;221291 Wrote: I also do not believe that somewhat lower jitter is a meaningful requirement. First, its totally vague, and second, if lower is better, then we need to know how much is bad, and how much it needs to be reduced to be important. Stereophile says the jitter increases slightly when feeding 16 bit signals into the Transporter through an optical SPDIF, rather than streaming*. Perhaps if the device sounds better/worse when streaming vs. acting as a DAC, the 45ps p-p added jitter is a potential reason (?). I can recall at least one review (not Stereophile) where they said it sounds BETTER when used as a DAC, which kind of proves your point. * http://www.stereophile.com/mediaservers/207slim/index4.html -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35881 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SMPS vs Linear: Jitter
milesr3;219646 Wrote: However as a Bachelor of Engineering in Electronic Engineering (and general sceptic) I wasn't convinced there were gains to be had when using the SPDIF out with an external DAC. Were you taking into account the Sb3 circuit, or using this as general proof that 'bits are bits' -even over SPDIF? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24392 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound of Fixed vs Variable Digital Volume
krochat;218688 Wrote: I think my SB3 sounds better at 95% volume than 100% (or fixed) - see the following paper for a possible reason why: http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/ni...3_overload.pdf Seems valid for recent popular releases, but I'd be pretty embarrassed to own any of the titles that sum out to 3 or 4 in their Table 1. Using their classification of mastering loudness*, A number zero should sound better at 100/100 since you're not losing any extra SNR, but I also prefer numbers 1 and 2 at full volume. That said, I'd probably fail a blind test. Code: * Explanation of Sums in Table 1: 0: Low level. Not full use of CD dynamic range, no problems besides from reduced S/N ratio during reproduction. 1: Well aligned level. Fully used CD dynamic range, no problems to be expected during reproduction. 2: Level to the hot side. Probably no reproduction distortion. 3: Hot level. Distortion through codecs, SRC and DA converters to be expected. 4: Very hot level. Obvious distortion through codecs, SRC and DA converters to be expected -http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/nielsen_lund_2003_overload.pdf -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37302 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cracking between tracks
Just guesses, but maybe you could try toggling the 'digital output always on' setting in Player SettingsAudio, or transcoding one of the offending files to FLAC for comparison. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37264 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] This Is An Improvement
snarlydwarf;218360 Wrote: If that were so, then DTS etc would not pass through. That doesn't really tell us much, because two different sources can both pass DTS (e.g. Sb3 and Transporter), yet still sound different. But it brings up another point I didn't see mentioned by Mr. Pig, whether the volume is set to max (digital outputs fixed), and whether replay gain is being used/not. Those oversights WILL keep DTS from being passed, as well as affecting the SNR*. It should make more of a difference than the stream format used, and has been shown on a scope, whereas tests of stream format didn't produce major differences in measured jitter**. In practice I don't notice the effects of the volume control and use them for convenience, but if you're comparing it to a cd player you should at least do the things proven to increase performance. * http://mysite.verizon.net/forumwebspace/RightMark/Test%20Reports/Volume.htm ** http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15882highlight=jitter+measurements -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37251 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Performance Upgrades
After checking that you're streaming .wav or FLAC in Server Settings|File Types, you may want to try setting digital output to 'fixed' and turning replay gain off in Player Settings|Audio. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37190 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
Anyplace that sells new or used compact discs. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Buying Lossless Music
krede;217577 Wrote: I mean Online :-) Sure: Ebay, Amazon, etc. Oh- you mean download :-) Yeah the russian site is illegal if you're in the U.S. You could check the web sites of bands you like, because they sometimes offer FLAC downloads, but usually of live shows they recently did. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37162 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
That wouldn't win any caption contests, IMHO. Unless someone can clue me in, I'm going to imagine they are bags of snake oil. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
haunyack;216476 Wrote: Try closing your eyes and imagine the expanded soundstage...or better yet, a sense of humor. . Ah, not being able to see the comic and imagining a sense of humor works well. Funny comic. Also, my soundstage is already too large- not to mention deep- so I'm going more for the solidified and pratty sound now. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] cheap tweak revisited
The .jpg shows up fine, but I thought maybe I was missing the meme of what those bags are supposed to represent. I suppose the humor is in the fact that nothing in the bag could audibly affect the performance of the speaker cable, unless it's ferrite chips maybe.Your suggestion of closing my eyes and imagining it was funny worked well though. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=37023 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Part Number of DAC
audio53;216003 Wrote: Hi all, Does anybody know the Burr-Brown part number for the DAC in the SB3? I would like to download the datasheet to see the specs. It's an Engineer thing :-)) Thanks. Bob PCM1748, but I read some white ones at one time came with the PCM1748KE, which has slightly better specs for twenty cents more (guessing on price). Upgrading to the KE version is pretty standard for modders doing analog upgrades. So in your engineering opinion, would the twenty cent increase be worth the added expense to the bill of materials, if you were designing the Sb3? Something to consider is the standard part performs better than it's specs in this application, according to the designer of the squeezebox. Anyway, have a blast: http://focus.ti.com/docs/prod/folders/print/pcm1748.html -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36982 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
seanadams;215551 Wrote: SACD players use DAC chips that accept both PCM and DSD inputs. They may be the exception, but some players do seem to have a high resolution DSDI2S stream coming from logic that probably decodes DVD-A and HDCD as well. Doesn't make sense to me. DSD and PCM are fundamentally different encodings. You can't grab a DSD signal and send it over s/pdif without mathematically converting the signal. I'm not sure exactly how that's done, but it's more than just twiddling some bits. Wouldn't DVD-A be another fundamentally different stream, which has to be turned into something a DAC can understand? I would guess that it's so manufacturers of SACD players can buy the software to decode the DSDPCM, just like they can for HDCD, and therefore wouldn't even need to buy any SACD chips/hardware. Agreed, that is no doubt the situation under DMCA. I don't think you could convince a judge that you haven't circumvented the copy protection on the grounds that you applied a different form of copy protection (SCMS) to the converted signal. But lets say your player DOES do the conversion (as opposed to the referenced company who is obviously feeling guilty!), and you're only tapping an i2s stream. Since you don't have a DSD file on your HD, and never hacked the DSD encryption, it doesn't seem too far removed from the analog loophole to me. This came up at hydrogenaudio as well: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=40627 -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
seanadams;215635 Wrote: No, HDCD and DVD-A are both PCM. DSD, however, is a completely different way to represent amplitudes. Instead of saying make a step this high, DSD says turn the output on now, now, now, now, not now, not now, now now, etc. Thanks for the explanation, and nice job of it BTW. Re: Transporter's DAC, perhaps one way to get DSD into it would be the addition of an HDMI input, fed by a universal player. Food for thought anyway :-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiopraise product - will it really output SACD digitally?
adamslim;215512 Wrote: Anyway, can I presume that ripping SACDs with this would: - have some dodgy conversion that may introduce errors, even if it is at high bit depth I noticed this in the legal section: Furthermore, we fully implement the Serial Copy Management System and flag the digital output stream appropriately as to prohibit copying. Besides that, copy protection mechanisms in form of watermarks embedded into the audio stream are still retained and are fully functional. So assuming you can rip them; In my guestimation the DSDPCM conversion shouldn't be too different from what would go on inside some SACD players that have a standard DAC that accepts a PCM signal. The conversion is going to be made at some point regardless. There are posts on how to intercept the signal and output SPDIF from these types of players at DIYaudio.com, and I think someone makes boards for it as well, sans the copy protection and with multichannel available. If the copy protection is broken, e.g. having it on the hard drive, it becomes illegal though. The device in question is meant for external DACs only. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36917 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Superclock4
greg_f;214493 Wrote: I was wondering if changing the crystal in the SB3 for the superclock4 will improve the sound further. I am not only interested in 44.1KHz not 48KHz. Super clocked or not, your DAC will still have to recover the timing from the SPDIF stream. The Teac has the benefit of the super clock being at the point of D to A conversion, so it's not really an apples to apples comparison. That said, people here have tried it and reported improvement, but I don't have the threads handy. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36801 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Firmware v15
Or somehow cause firmware 15 to have the correct phase again, but don't tell anyone, and see if they notice. A true blind test :-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36795 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I replace my cables every 1000 hours
Mark Lanctot;214296 Wrote: Someone on this board (Phil Leigh? Pat Farell?) has repeatedly stated that merely unplugging and re-plugging cables/interconnects makes an audible difference and so does contact cleaners. It was P Floding, I believe. Since we're talking stranded wire, wouldn't the individual strands have their own skin effect, resulting in perfect transmission even if the outer strands are green? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36658 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
ezkcdude;214307 Wrote: Leave it to someone from Napa to come up with a wine analogy! Actually someone from San Jose came up with it, and Bob just elaborated. Otherwise it would be blatant self-promotion :-) Elaborating further, comparisons can be made ambiguous because one person may have had Gouda stuck in their teeth, while another had Stilton. Similarly, one persons listening room may be more flat than another's, or their cables could have more/less oxidation, etc. etc.. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Any good mods for Transporter out there? Validated?
truckfighters;213926 Wrote: can you explain this a little better for my understanding, please? the device still works after removing the crystal? what is its normal function? On the sb3 you can remove it, but you lose the ability to play 48kHz streams like internet radio, and possibly (?) the ability to downsample 96kHz stuff to 48kHz as well. Since transporter handles 96kHz natively though, I'd guess it may be needed for that, and would avoid removing it. Of course, I could be wrong. You could always just buy better sounding music. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36626 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] budget system help
drewe181;213652 Wrote: i can highly recommend the sonic impact super t-amp. i just purchased one of them and also a moodlab concept dac to use with my squeezebox. i'm surprised at the change they made to the sound of the squeezebox. unfortunately, now, some of my more poorly recorded cd's don't sound so good. both of these were bought for a little over $AU500 so for a budget system i find them pretty good value. As for my speakers, i found them in the street and had only needed to change the tweeters as one of them had blown. for a little over a grand in total (incl. squeezebox) it's a pretty decent choice i believe. -D Great advice there. Though I didn't find my speakers in the street, shoving a pair of wide range Fostex 8 drivers (fe206- $120/pr new on ebay) into an old bose cabinet is only slightly less punk rock. De-constructed hi fi is all the rage. Thankfully it doesn't cost an arm+leg, unlike the de-constructed clothing the GF is so fond of. I use a sonic impact sometimes, and if you can go easy on the output wattage they sound very three dimensional. Some say tubey as well, but to my ears the jolida tube amp I have is more accurate, especially in the low range, and far more eerily lifelike in the midrange, possibly due to the mile long decay of the sounds. There is a tripath based amp called Trends that gets good press, and may be a wiser investment than a stock sonic impact. You'd still have to go easy on the volume, but with a well matched speaker, some room placement/treatment experimentation, and maybe an external DAC and subwoofer, one can go into hi fi shops and not be jealous. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36696 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
seanadams;213508 Wrote: I imagine Omega et al are old school audiophiles who are carrying all these preconceived expectations with them into the digital world where it simply doesn't work like that. I remember reading somewhere that skipping back to track one, rather than simply hitting play, improved the sound of some CD players. It was the first thing that came to mind when I read the thread, but I couldn't find any google references. Never did get around to trying that one out. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Design miss in SB3 digital output? or Slimserver problem ?
AndyC_772;213523 Wrote: I've read lots of unlikely things about how to make equipment sound better. Some of the more entertaining ones are at http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html :) Yeah, to suggest that growing pot in the listening room will improve the sound takes the cake. http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/Free_Techniques/Free_Techniques.html Wrote: Plain piece of Blue paper under any vase of flowers or any pot plant in the listening room. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36503 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Should I replace my cables every 1000 hours
corbey;213145 Wrote: Therefore, sooner or later, the cables will run out of electrons and you'll need new ones. ...Unless they're the type that use two AA batteries. What I want to know is when do I need to replace the circuit board traces on my electronics? -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36658 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Analog attenuation
zanash;212544 Wrote: Its relatively simple to build a set of attenuator But if you're going to use the RCA output, then the Transporter's built in attenuation makes more sense, and comes free with it. I don't own one, but if I did I would choose the RCA connection and internal analog attenuation setting that allows 100/100 to be a comfortable level, rather than balanced cables with 75/100 being the max comfortable level. The latter is a mismatch, in that a maximum level noise burst would be 12.5dB louder than what you'd like to hear or have your speakers play. There is nothing magical about 1/4 on the volume bar either. The sound degradation is linear all the way from 99/100 to 1/100, as far as SNR goes anyway. You want the digital volume as close to 100/100 as possible for critical listening, and ideally spot-on, which will require some sort of variable (stepped) analog attenuation, even with the internal RCA attenuation, because your critical listening level changes according to time of day etc. Rather than preamp, though, you might try searching 'passive attenuator'. Endler makes a balanced stepped attenuator, but you might also look to pro audio retailers for xlr equipment. I noticed this one for $100 at sweetwater: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ATTY/ -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36550 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz software, subwoofer measurement
krzys;209948 Wrote: Inguz I need your advice. I'm using a single subwoofer up to 75 Hz. When doing the measurements for each channel should I: 1. turn the sub off, measure each channel and then EQ the sub separately? 2. keep the sub on for both channels? 3. record the sub in one channel only? 4. none of these ? Chris I used #2, left rca cable going to sub when measuring left speaker and vice versa, but almost asked the same question. My thoughts were if the impulse response is weak at 75hz in one channel only , then the filter would over-emphasize those frequencies on that channel during playback. If I had a DSP sub I might like to try #1, but can't imagine how it would be done with inguz and a standard sub. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz software, subwoofer measurement
krzys;209957 Wrote: I'm curious of the official Inguz repaly. Chris Yes, me too. I should have left it at 'i almost asked the same question'. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36258 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS:[UK] Black SB+
kphinney;209356 Wrote: This is nothing short of spam. I was thinking something more like an argument between the pot and the kettle: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=208352postcount=12 *:P* -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36140 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
AndyC_772;206677 Wrote: For what it's worth, the DSP-A1 does have pre-out/power-in jumpers, maybe I should try these - though that would mean using the SB3's digital attenuation which means it's not really a fair comparison. After using the digital volume control to find the level of attenuation needed, you could use four resistors and the DIY article + Spreadsheet calculator, found in the Connecting To Power Amp Wiki, to make it a fair comparison. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?
mswlogo;206724 Wrote: I assumed folks doing the Direct to Analog AMP knew what they were doing. Apparently not. I should have known based on past reading people do very silly things here in the name of audiophile. Sorry about that. They know what they're doing. The transporter has analog attenuation after the DAC, and recommendations for analog attenuation when using sb2/3 are given as well. Nobody here advocates volume control solely in the digital domain... -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35642 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bolder modded SB3 sounds too digital
tyler_durden;206384 Wrote: I think you need to have the 47 Labs DAC modded... Which version of flac did you use when you ripped? TD Are both of those a joke, or just the first bit? Marley3; Could the Sony be sending a 16 bit signal that the 47 Labs likes better than Squeezebox's, which I assume is 24 bit? Is Replay Gain off and Digital Volume Control set to fixed? If the modified one is not much better than stock, I'd send it back to Bolder and have wayne give a listen to make sure nothing's wrong. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35803 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help me spend my money!
Hypnotoad;206025 Wrote: I'm getting a better paying job and want to waste my money on audio equipment! Help me. Keywords: Getting, Waste. I agree with others RE listening to a lot of systems before laying out cash, which works out great because I also recommend that form of currency, and not running up the charge card while counting on the job you're getting (future tense). Perhaps blowing your first bonus or celebrating a corporate takeover would be a better strategy, so in the meantime you can save for more important things like your future/current daughter's sweet sixteen birthday party. Don't limit yourself to hiFi salons though. Find some people on audio forums in your area who have a system they'll let you audition. Or maybe there is a group that meets regularly? There is a lot of bang for the buck out there these days, but not a huge profit margin on such components, so you probably won't see things like panasonic digital receivers used with a squeezebox or $100 chip amps driving high efficiency single driver speakers, unless you seek out enthusiasts over salesmen. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35766 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] First shot at using Inguz
tonyptony;205840 Wrote: So is this even relevant anymore? I can't see how it can be. There is a negative gain setting to avoid clipping. See here for details on checking the log for clipping and changing the setting: http://inguzaudio.com/usage/config -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35615 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SuperCooled SqueezeBox
tyler_durden;204713 Wrote: and you feel a stirring in your nether region... TD ...at which point the delusion wears off, and you realize the stirring was someone trying to get at your wallet. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35531 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SuperCooled SqueezeBox
Pale Blue Ego;204195 Wrote: Or just mount the whole SB in the freezer... The only problem with that is the oscillator needs to warm up for best performance. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35531 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] modding digital of squeezebox (boldercables)
harmonic;204220 Wrote: Not only do i thing its infantile to proclaim that the man is ussless because of his internet site i think its done right stupid. Well I didn't say he's useless save for Web design. I think its sad that there is such a angry tone on this forum aganist enyone who things differently or have heard somthing that sounds better then the mighty stock transporter.(wich by the way sounds glarish sharp and lifeless compared to the aberdeen transporter) ignorance seems to describe this forum pretty good Sure there are a lot of fanboys here, but that's probably true of tactHackers or any other hardware forum as well. There are also a lot of people here who know modding is worthwhile and help others figure it out, a designer who is open about the product and it's potential for improvement, and -moreso than most sites- a contingent of scientists/engineers from fields other than audio. Differences of opinion are unavoidable, and what make earth an interesting place to live. I apologize if I contributed to that impression of the forum though. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35505 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
