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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria (Helpreading marriage)

2020-01-30 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks Angela.  I appreciate your help!   

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 4:57 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria 
(Helpreading marriage)

Hi Sam,

1. I would say Livramento 
2. I would say Sacramento
3. Gregório de Jesus Alvares da Costa
4. I think it says "tirei certidão", in 2 diferent dates.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia quinta, 30/01/2020 à(s) 22:29:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798_item1/P62.html
 
Hello everyone;  I have several questions on the above document. Left hand 
side, marriage of Manoel Jose Coelho to Francisca Rosa Sacramento/Livermento. 
1.  I can’t decided on the bride’s surname?  
2. (It appears to be the same as the groom’s mother’s surname?)  
3. The bride’s father’s name appears to be Georgorio de Jesus Alvarez da Cotta. 
Do I have that right?
4. On the sidenote: Someone died on 28th of June 1808?
 
Appreciate any and all help,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria (Help reading marriage)

2020-01-30 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1758-1798_item1/P62.html

Hello everyone;  I have several questions on the above document. Left hand 
side, marriage of Manoel Jose Coelho to Francisca Rosa Sacramento/Livermento. 
1.  I can’t decided on the bride’s surname?  
2. (It appears to be the same as the groom’s mother’s surname?)  
3. The bride’s father’s name appears to be Georgorio de Jesus Alvarez da Cotta. 
Do I have that right?
4. On the sidenote: Someone died on 28th of June 1808?

Appreciate any and all help,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Regarding "Evangelho" surname

2020-01-23 Thread ':' via Azores Genealogy

To whom ever was inquiring:

I have many Evangelho's in my line:
My paternal great grandmother, Mariana ROSA MACEDO (1854-1914) was the daughter
of JOSE MACEDO EVANGELHO PORTUGAL (1820, Lajes, Pico-1865) my 2nd great
grandfather.

He was the son of MANUEL MACEDO EVANGELHO, Jr (1784, Lajes, Pico--) My 3rd
ggf
Manuel was the son of MANUEL MACEDO EVANGELHO (1746, Lajes,Pico-1822). My 4th
ggf
He was the son of MANUEL ROSA EVANGELHO . 5th ggf
Manuel was the son of ANTONIO FERREIRA EVANGELHO (Lajes, Pico--)
My other Evangelho line comes in through my grandfather, JOSE MACHADO SOARES
aka Joseph Marshall's mother Mary Elizabeth aka MARIA ISABEL SILVA/SILVESTE
(1886, Horta, Faial-1965, San Diego, CA) . She was my pateral grandmother.
She was the daughter of MARIA LEONOR (1860, Horta, Faial-1926, Somerville, MA).
My great grandmother.Pai incognito.
Maria Leonor was the daughter of ANTONIO SILVA (1824, Sao Mateus,Pico-- ) and
EMELIA LEONOR (1824, Horta, Faial-1899, Horta, Faial). My 2nd gg parents.
Antonio was the son of MARIA TERESA EVANGELHO (1801, S. Mateus, Pico-1841) and
JOSE COSTA GOULART.. My 3rd ggm.
Maria Teresa was the daughter of ESTEVAO PEREIRA EVANGELHO (1776, S. Mateus,
Pico-1863, S. Mateus, Pico) My 4th ggf.
Estevao was the son of MANUEL PEREIRA EVANGELHO (1736, S. Mateus, Pico-1821, S.
Mateus, Pico)My 5Th ggf.
Manuel was the son of DOMINGOS PEREIRA EVANGELHO (1709, S. Mateus, Pico-1785,
S. Mateus, Pico) My 6th ggf.
Dominos was the son of MANUEL PEREIRA EVANGELHO (Lajes, Pico--1737, S. Mateus,
Pico) My 7th ggf.
Manuel was the son of ANTONIO PEREIRA EVANGELHO (Abt 1635---). My 8th ggf.
I think this is all of my Evangelho's...
Ate logo, Marie Marshall/Machado Pleasant seekg...@aol.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho surname

2020-01-19 Thread ':' via Azores Genealogy

I have several Evangelho's in my family tree from Pico.
In a message dated 1/18/2020 8:27:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
margaridaldasi...@gmail.com writes:

I think my great grandfather is related here Manuel DaCosta GG

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Evangelho surname

2020-01-19 Thread 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks for writing.  Would you mind providing me with some more info.  I am 
unable to access my original email to you. Could you forward it or cut and 
paste into an email for me, so I can put your email comment in context?  I 
would appreciate it.
When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! 

On Saturday, January 18, 2020, 08:27:34 PM PST, Margarida DaSilva 
 wrote:  
 
 I think my great grandfather is related here Manuel DaCosta GG

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

2020-01-16 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy

I’m sorry too! He’s 83 now, so a sorrow that just doesn’t go away :(
Susan 

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> I would think *most* people would be just bones? There are always exceptions. 
> So sorry your cousin saw that.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 11:10 AM Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Susan, thanks for sharing this- very moving.  I can’t imagine...
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 1:01 PM, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thank you Monica for the image.
>>> 
>>> I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more 
>>> like what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.
>>> 
>>> Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins 
>>> telling us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on 
>>> Faial) that he witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me 
>>> this in the 1960s and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I 
>>> thought it was my great grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s 
>>> side). I felt so bad because he started to cry because he saw her red hair 
>>> and she was recognizable to him. His wife seemed to indicate that a family 
>>> member had to be present. I was so sorry I had brought the subject up and i 
>>> would think it would be such a painful experience for anyone to have to 
>>> witness this. Have any of you heard that there (used to be at least) this 
>>> custom?
>>> 
>>> Susan Vargas Murphy   
>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, 
>>>> 
>>>> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an 
>>>> ossuary.
>>>> 
>>>> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list 
>>>> to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave 
>>>> of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
>>>> cemetery. There was a fee.
>>>> 
>>>> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being 
>>>> blessed by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Monica
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anthony said:
>>>>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>>>>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>>>>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images 
>>>>> tab):
>>>>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
>>>>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one 
>>>>> in another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. 
>>>>> I don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in 
>>>>> marked graves.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this helps, 
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

2020-01-16 Thread 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy

Many have been exhumed without the family present; my dad for example. It 
may have been a rule or more likely that the family are still there that 
would be notified of the pending exhumation. Attendance may be mandatory in 
that instance. However, I know my father's family is still there and there 
was no family present Not even sure if they knew what was going on at that 
time.

It's one thing to experience a burial. I can't imagine experiencing an 
exhumation. Extremely heartbreaking.



On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
> graves.
>
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

2020-01-16 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy

Thank you Monica for the image.

I saw the one at Santa Catarina church in Castelo Branco and it was more like 
what Cheri said. like a long big dog house maybe.

Along this subject I had a memory of one of my mother’s first cousins telling 
us when he came to this country (after the volcanic eruption on Faial) that he 
witnessed his grandmothers bones being exhumed. He told me this in the 1960s 
and I recently visited him and asked him about it (I thought it was my great 
grandmother but turns out it was on his mother’s side). I felt so bad because 
he started to cry because he saw her red hair and she was recognizable to him. 
His wife seemed to indicate that a family member had to be present. I was so 
sorry I had brought the subject up and i would think it would be such a painful 
experience for anyone to have to witness this. Have any of you heard that there 
(used to be at least) this custom?

Susan Vargas Murphy   

> On Jan 16, 2020, at 8:29 AM, 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an ossuary.
> 
> My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list to 
> exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave of 
> bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
> cemetery. There was a fee.
> 
> I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being blessed 
> by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3
> 
> Thanks
> Monica
> 
>> On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>> 
>> Anthony said:
>> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>> 
>> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
>> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
>> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
>> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>> 
>> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
>> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
>> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
>> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
>> graves.
>> 
>> Hope this helps, 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

2020-01-16 Thread 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy

Yes Cheri it is.

Looking at yours, mine is much bigger. I believe that if a family member of 
my father wants to be in there, they can share the space with my dad. 
Perhaps that's why they make it a bit bigger.

Thanks for sharing.

Monica

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
> graves.
>
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ossuary

2020-01-16 Thread 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy

Hello, 

I've recently had to deal with my father's bones being placed in an ossuary.

My father passed away in 1987 and the cemetery had placed him on the list 
to exhume back in 2017. Instead of his bones to be placed in a mass grave 
of bones, I had the option to have him placed in a n ossuary in the same 
cemetery. There was a fee.

I have provided a link to the image from facebook when it was being blessed 
by the parish priest. Just copy and paste it in your browser.

https://www.facebook.com/matrizdascapelas.paroquia/photos/a.890467641120771/1110441779123355/?type=3

Thanks
Monica

On Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 10:46:26 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for Anthony Silver, thecoloursilver.82 at gmail.com 
>
> Anthony said:
> << is the Ossuary a building ?>>
>
> It depends. Try Google (or your favorite search engine).
> Here's Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossuary
> Here's a general Google search (you might want to click on the Images tab):
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d=ossuary
>
> The only one I saw in the Azores was the size of a dog house. So in that 
> case, I saw a little concrete building. Maybe someone else has seen one in 
> another freguesia. When I've gone to the Azores, I'm in the archives. I 
> don't go to the cemeteries, as I know my ancestors are no longer in marked 
> graves.
>
> Hope this helps, 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

2019-12-29 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks, Cheri.  I found Virginia’s birth and it verifies her death date but; I 
can’t quite read the date, in the sidenote. I think it does say 21 Dec 1966.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2019 8:16 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with better 
eyes can look.

Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded it on 
Virginia's baptism too?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
 
I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of April 
of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife, Virginia 
Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)
 
Can sks help me out here?
 
Thanks, Sidenote Sam
 
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

2019-12-29 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Hi Angela;  I found Virginia’s birth and I believe it says when her father 
died, in the margin, but; I can’t quite read the date.  Below that I think it 
also says when she died?

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 12:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

Hi Sam,

Do you know if the bride's father was deceased at the time of the marriage? If 
so, i think the bride would need the father's legal permission if she was under 
25, but then again, i'm not sure if that applies to that time period.

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 29/12/2019 à(s) 
04:13:
I didn't read the body. It kinda looks like that, yet Virginia has parents that 
are named (maybe they died and that's not mentioned?). They also got a 
dispensation to marry, so they are cousins. A native speaker will have to tell 
us what that "orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at city 
hall" thing says. 
Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 7:13 PM Bill Seidler  wrote:
For what it's worth, I completely concur with Cheri.

The body of the record has something I've never seen.  Does it say that she is 
a 17-year-old orphan that is legally authorized to marry by a judge at city 
hall?

Bill Seidler 

On Saturday, December 28, 2019 at 6:16:15 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
Manuel died 23 April 1960 (at least in this light). Maybe someone with better 
eyes can look.

Virginia died 21 Dec? 1966 (?) That's my best guess. Maybe they recorded it on 
Virginia's baptism too?

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html

I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of April 
of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife, Virginia 
Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)

Can sks help me out here?

Thanks, Sidenote Sam

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

2019-12-28 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1900-1906_item1/P44.html

I believe the side note says that Manoel Soares de Freitas died on 22 of April 
of current year (1960) and the second side note says that his wife, Virginia 
Eugenia Cabral, died on 21 of current (can’t read the rest)

Can sks help me out here?

Thanks, Sidenote Sam


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

2019-12-24 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

Yes, Liz, I do share my way of making the bags. You can also find information
on line if you just go to "recycle plastic bags," There are many ways to make
the bags, however, the way to cup the bags is the same for all of them.

Happy Holidays, Celeste

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com On Monday, December 23, 2019, 8:05:56 PM
PST, Liz Migliori wrote:

Will you share your instructions for the bagsI get so many compliments on
mine. I’d love to make for others

Sent from my iPhone

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wrote:

I will continue knitting the recycled plastic bags and trying to keep up with
my husband. I just don't have the ability to remember what I have done on my
research and most of my friends are no longer doing email either. I will be 82
next month and it is time to just meet each day as it arrives.

Thanks for the concern, Celeste

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com On Monday, December 23, 2019, 6:04:50 PM
PST, Gordon soares wrote:

Celeste What will you do?Gordon Soares

Sent from my iPhone

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A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you. This is going to be
my last year using my computer, so may all your searches yield the family you
seek.

Celeste Perry

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:22:18 AM
PST, Cheri Mello wrote:

Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal to all!
Since we now have more Australians and others from that side of the world, I'm
starting this thread a day earlier (because it's already Christmas Eve there).
Please post your Christmas greetings to this thread ONLY. Just hit reply to
this email and type your greeting (for those on Digest mode, go out to the web
board or forum and find this "Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal" thread and reply
to it).
Do NOT start your own thread. Reply ONLY to this one. Some people enjoy sending
the greetings and there are others who feel this is off-topic for the list. So
please, make it easy for them to delete it.
You may post your greetings until 11:59 YOUR TIME on December 25th. If it's 12
midnight on Dec. 26th, sorry you are too late.
Hope everyone has a Prospero Ano Novo and finds many ancestors in 2020!Cheri
Mello, Listowner, Azores-Gen
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

2019-12-24 Thread 'Herb' via Azores Genealogy

Wishing you all Christmas Blessings 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

2019-12-23 Thread 'Alyssa Onzuka' via Azores Genealogy

Hey Celeste it’s Alyssa,
Funny I haven’t been reading all the emails but I’m on the thread and am a 
proud Azorean ancestor of our familia. Feliz Natal 

Te amo,
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2019, at 5:21 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I will continue knitting the recycled plastic bags and trying to keep up with 
> my husband. I just don't have the ability to remember what I have done on my 
> research and most of my friends are no longer doing email either. I will be 
> 82 next month and it is time to just meet each day as it arrives.
> 
> Thanks for the concern, Celeste
> 
> 
> 
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 6:04:50 PM PST, Gordon soares 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Celeste 
> What will you do?
> Gordon Soares 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2019, at 5:54 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you. This is going to be 
>> my last year using my computer, so may all your searches yield the family 
>> you seek. 
>> 
>> Celeste Perry
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>> On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:22:18 AM PST, Cheri Mello 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal to all!
>> 
>> Since we now have more Australians and others from that side of the world, 
>> I'm starting this thread a day earlier (because it's already Christmas Eve 
>> there).
>> 
>> Please post your Christmas greetings to this thread ONLY. Just hit reply to 
>> this email and type your greeting (for those on Digest mode, go out to the 
>> web board or forum and find this "Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal" thread 
>> and reply to it).
>> 
>> Do NOT start your own thread. Reply ONLY to this one. Some people enjoy 
>> sending the greetings and there are others who feel this is off-topic for 
>> the list. So please, make it easy for them to delete it.
>> 
>> You may post your greetings until 11:59 YOUR TIME on December 25th. If it's 
>> 12 midnight on Dec. 26th, sorry you are too late.
>> 
>> Hope everyone has a Prospero Ano Novo and finds many ancestors in 2020!
>> Cheri Mello, Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

2019-12-23 Thread 'Alyssa Onzuka' via Azores Genealogy

Oh by the way, I did 23 & me ... 51% portuguesa 

Azores, Madeira (mamas side), Lisbon in that order.. I guess the oral history 
was right on 

Thanks prima!!!


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> On Dec 23, 2019, at 5:30 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> I still have my recycled bags, Celeste, thank you.  I will be 83 next month 
> and my hubby will be 87 in April and still driving and I just passed the 
> written test and got my new CA license.  
> 
> Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 2020!! 
> 
> “E”
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

2019-12-23 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks for the concern, Celeste

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com On Monday, December 23, 2019, 6:04:50 PM
PST, Gordon soares wrote:

Celeste What will you do?Gordon Soares

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 23, 2019, at 5:54 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy
wrote:

A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you. This is going to be
my last year using my computer, so may all your searches yield the family you
seek.

Celeste Perry

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:22:18 AM
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Merry Christmas and Feliz Natal thread

2019-12-23 Thread 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy

A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all of you. This is going to be
my last year using my computer, so may all your searches yield the family you
seek.

Celeste Perry

Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com On Monday, December 23, 2019, 10:22:18 AM
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

2019-12-10 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Ah, I understand now!  Thanks!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 1:52 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

Cessando was the ONLY WORD ON YOUR SIDENOTE 2 that I was able to translate.   
Everyone else got more words and didn’t see the one I got.  But cease applies 
to the divorce I think.  :o)

Debbie

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 10:31 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
You are most welcome Debbie but; that thank you might need to go elsewhere.  I 
remember translating, to the best of my ability, a side note for you but; don’t 
remember translating the word cessando.  Not that my memory is all that great! 
LOL!

Either way, you’re welcome,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:28 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

cessando  Ceasing

Sam, thank you so much for helping me this week.   I tried and only found 
cessando.   I am so glad you had better help for this side note.  

Debbie

On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:32 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html

Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have the 1st 
sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31 October 1937.  I 
can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death on 6 March 1973 in 
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I can’t decipher.  I think 
it says something happened on the twenty something of November of 1953.  Is 
that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out what note #2 is saying?

Thanks for your help, 
Side note Sam

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

2019-12-10 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

You are most welcome Debbie but; that thank you might need to go elsewhere.  I 
remember translating, to the best of my ability, a side note for you but; don’t 
remember translating the word cessando.  Not that my memory is all that great! 
LOL!

Either way, you’re welcome,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: JesseAndDeborah Mendonca
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2019 11:28 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

cessando  Ceasing

Sam, thank you so much for helping me this week.   I tried and only found 
cessando.   I am so glad you had better help for this side note.  

Debbie


On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 2:32 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html
 
Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have the 1st 
sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31 October 1937.  I 
can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death on 6 March 1973 in 
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I can’t decipher.  I think 
it says something happened on the twenty something of November of 1953.  Is 
that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out what note #2 is saying?
 
Thanks for your help, 
Side note Sam
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Maria, Vila do Porto, Sidenote help

2019-12-09 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P103.html

Bottom right, #27, Manoel.  I can read the document and I think I have the 1st 
sidenote as Manoel marring Maria Luisa Soares Betancourt on 31 October 1937.  I 
can also read the very clear 3rd note of Manoel death on 6 March 1973 in 
Toronto, Ontario, Canada.  It is note number 2 that I can’t decipher.  I think 
it says something happened on the twenty something of November of 1953.  Is 
that his immigration date?  Can anyone make out what note #2 is saying?

Thanks for your help, 
Side note Sam

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help RequestedforBride's Family

2019-12-09 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Whoops, I see now that Cheri already answered you on this.  Excuse me please 
for butting in.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy
Sent: Monday, December 9, 2019 11:43 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help 
RequestedforBride's Family

Debbie;  I see; he of he age of 23, single, peasant, legitimate son of Jose 
Luis, now dead, and Ana da Concecao, paternal grandparents, Luis de Sousa and 
Marianna de Pimentel, maternal of Antonio de Sousa and Maria da Concecao, I 
mean (digo) da Encarcecao, residents of Becodo Medonho (not at all sure of the 
spelling there) she, (the bride) of the age of 21 years, single, resident of 
Figueidas (spelling again) legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and of Theresa 
Julia, (women didn’t use surnames in this period) paternal grandparents, Joao 
de Sousa and Maria Joaquina, maternal Francisco de Pereira and Maria Magdelina, 
baptized in the parochial church of Our Lady of Deliverance (Nossa Senhora da 
Livramento), of the same place and he in San Rogue in the same place (in other 
words on the same island), where they were released from the last 3 lenten 
obligations ( the rest is pretty much boiler plate about them being pronounced 
man and wife and it being recorded, etc. and the witnesses names, etc.

Hope this helps and hope if I’ve gone wrong with spelling or anything, someone 
more knowledgeable will correct me.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Jesse Mendonca
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 8:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested 
forBride's Family

Hello,

I have previously figured out the groom's family from the very complete family 
list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao Miguel.  I was so 
excited about the names and the first indication that the LUIZ surname was 
taken from a father's first name, that I never finished! Now I have hit a 
stumbling block.

My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help 
translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In 
trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco do 
Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a specific 
place.

Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't tell 
where the bride's family begins or is she even included at all?  I felt that it 
may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out and it continues 
with info I can't quite get:

-- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
-- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of Cabral?)
-- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again, Cabral?)
--who else is included?

Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I correct in 
seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is written in the 
priest's hand.

Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a lot.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca

Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
Marriage Record

Researching
1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada, 
later Hawaii and California
2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested forBride's Family

2019-12-09 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Debbie;  I see; he of he age of 23, single, peasant, legitimate son of Jose 
Luis, now dead, and Ana da Concecao, paternal grandparents, Luis de Sousa and 
Marianna de Pimentel, maternal of Antonio de Sousa and Maria da Concecao, I 
mean (digo) da Encarcecao, residents of Becodo Medonho (not at all sure of the 
spelling there) she, (the bride) of the age of 21 years, single, resident of 
Figueidas (spelling again) legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and of Theresa 
Julia, (women didn’t use surnames in this period) paternal grandparents, Joao 
de Sousa and Maria Joaquina, maternal Francisco de Pereira and Maria Magdelina, 
baptized in the parochial church of Our Lady of Deliverance (Nossa Senhora da 
Livramento), of the same place and he in San Rogue in the same place (in other 
words on the same island), where they were released from the last 3 lenten 
obligations ( the rest is pretty much boiler plate about them being pronounced 
man and wife and it being recorded, etc. and the witnesses names, etc.

Hope this helps and hope if I’ve gone wrong with spelling or anything, someone 
more knowledgeable will correct me.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Jesse Mendonca
Sent: Sunday, December 8, 2019 8:19 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] LUIZ Ancestry: Translation Help Requested 
forBride's Family

Hello,

I have previously figured out the groom's family from the very complete family 
list on this record from Sao Roque, Pointa Delgada on Sao Miguel.  I was so 
excited about the names and the first indication that the LUIZ surname was 
taken from a father's first name, that I never finished! Now I have hit a 
stumbling block.

My first need, is the end of the information for the groom. I need help 
translating the part at the top left, line 5, after Maria de Conceicao.  In 
trying Google Translate, it doesn't recognize the beginning, but at no Beco do 
Medonho it becomes "in the ghastly alley" and may continue to list a specific 
place.


Following that, is this next part still talking about the groom?  I can't tell 
where the bride's family begins or is she even included at all?  I felt that it 
may also be listing the witnesses. Some people are left out and it continues 
with info I can't quite get:

-- Legitimate daughter of Antonio Cabral and Theresa Julia (Bride?)
-- Paternal grandson of Joao de Sousa and Maria Joaquina (speaking of Cabral?)
-- Maternal grandson of Francisco Pereira and Maria Magdalena (again, Cabral?)
--who else is included?


Lastly, I am thrilled to see the actual signatures at the end.  Am I correct in 
seeing the cross as the groom's mark?  It looks like his name is written in the 
priest's hand.

Thank you so much for any help you can give me, I know this is asking a lot.

Debbie Shepherd Mendonca


Link for 1861, page 0012, top left
Marriage Record



Researching
1. LUIZ, SOUZA, PIMENTEL, PEREIRA on Sao Miguel: Sao Roque, Ponta Delgada, 
later Hawaii and California
2. MENDONCA, AGUIAR, ORNELAS on Madeira: Santana and Brazil: Sao Paulo



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] AncestorStuff.com

2019-12-09 Thread 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy

Sharon

The Iberian Peninsula consists mostly of Spain and Portugal with a little bit 
of south west France, as I recall. No Italian is considered to be from the 
Iberian Peninsula.

Kathy

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> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I have been following this group for awhile, and not contributing very much.
> 
> I do want to ask a few questions.  Do many of you have family trees that link 
> our Azores genealogy with Italian, namely southern Italian families?  My DNA 
> shows that I have some Iberian connections, but it must go really far back in 
> time. The ancestry that I am familiar with are all from Eastern Europe 
> (Hungary, Austria, Balkland, etc.) and Southern Italy and the Middle East 
> (Sicily, Greece, Northern Africa, Syria, etc.).  With all of the conquering 
> armies a long time ago, there must have been some mixed in with my ancestors.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives p

2019-12-09 Thread 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy

Monica,  
Thank you for the generous offer. As Cheri Mello mentioned in an earlier email 
to me (see below), the DNA doesn't show a connection; but that far back, it 
doesn't mean I am not related to the Paiva line.  I was following up on an 
email from my cousin Maria Sue Luna (see below) to Nelia, stating that a match 
is likely on Maria's (our) Martins Correia Bettencourt line.  
If you are willing to share info, I gladly would examine a paper trail.  While 
not proficient in Portuguese, I am able to pick out a lot of the key info in 
genealogy documents. 
Deb


When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! 

On Sunday, December 8, 2019, 09:22:34 PM PST, 'Monica C' via Azores 
Genealogy  wrote:  
 
 DBM, 
I have mapped out the Paiva's in capelas as far as the records go up to. We are 
probably a match as well.
To confirm a paper trail, you  will need to locate information/dates before 
1911. Is that an issue for you?
Hope to hear from you.
Monica  :)


On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 11:52:30 PM UTC-5, DBM wrote:
Thanks Cheri !
When I searched for ancestors, I found friends! 

On Friday, December 6, 2019, 10:27:20 AM PST, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:  
 
 Hi Deb,
You log into your page and type Nelia's name in the search box:
I'll save you some time. Nelia did not turn up on your match list.

You can match on paper and not with DNA. Sometimes 2 individuals do not inherit 
enough DNA to be reported as a match.
Hope this helps, Cheri

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:

Hi Luna, Does Nelia match with me? (Asking here because I don't have her kit 
#).  If so,  it should be the Martins side of your tree.Deb

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:11 PM, lunamarc wrote:   Hi Nelia,
I have the wrong line but now that I have narrowed it down. We are most likely 
related on my Martins/Correia/Bettencourt line. 
Let me know if either of these come up on your tree.

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:55:04 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
Hi Maria,
I’ve uploaded my kit to gedmatch as well. 
Let’s see if we match. 
Nelia 
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 10:46 PM lunamarc  wrote:

Hi Nelia,
I have a good feeling about this one. I believe we are related through my 
Grandmother who still has cousins in Feitera with connections to Capelas based 
on some hints I found. I have yet to upload this cousin's info to Gedmatch and 
I'm going to do it now. 
Maria

On Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 10:54:08 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
Hi there,
I’m from Capelas and my father who is 78 has a very very sharp memory.  If you 
have any info on your parents if they lived in Capelas then I can ask him about 
your family etc and he may be able to remember something about your 
grandparents my grandfather was born in 1913 so your ancestors are younger 
which would probably mean that my father may remember them. 
In Capelas everyone pretty much knew one another. 
Regards,
Nelia. 
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:03 PM Horace Mello  wrote:

Good afternoon everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any information on my 
father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some names that i found in 
an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have too much information, I 
was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me find out any information 
about my grandfather and his relatives.  Specifically links to databases, 
pictures, records, etc.  Anything that will help me complete a picture of where 
I came from.
Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I joined 
just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who proceeded me.  
Thank you.
This is what I have for names: 
Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he was the 
son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother of the late 
Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something please 
share!



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Birth date help

2019-12-08 Thread 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy

Hello Liz, 

Thereza is my 1st cousin 3x removed. I have help you with that line.

Thanks
Monica

On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 5:46:38 PM UTC-4, Lizmig wrote:
>
> What does it mean when it says that they were born on the predicted day?
> Does that mean they were born and baptized on the same day?
>
> Thx
> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives p

2019-12-08 Thread 'Monica C' via Azores Genealogy

DBM, 

I have mapped out the Paiva's in capelas as far as the records go up to. We 
are probably a match as well.

To confirm a paper trail, you  will need to locate information/dates before 
1911. Is that an issue for you?

Hope to hear from you.

Monica  :)



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>
> Thanks Cheri !
>
> *When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!*
>
>
> On Friday, December 6, 2019, 10:27:20 AM PST, Cheri Mello <
> gfsc...@gmail.com > wrote: 
>
>
> Hi Deb,
>
> You log into your page and type Nelia's name in the search box:
> [image: image.png]
>
> I'll save you some time. Nelia did not turn up on your match list.
>
> You can match on paper and not with DNA. Sometimes 2 individuals do not 
> inherit enough DNA to be reported as a match.
> Hope this helps, Cheri
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
> Hi Luna, Does Nelia match with me? (Asking here because I don't have her 
> kit #).  If so,  it should be the Martins side of your tree.
> Deb
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers_wl=ym_sub1=Internal_sub2=Global_YGrowth_sub3=EmailSignature>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:11 PM, lunamarc
> > wrote:
> Hi Nelia,
>
> I have the wrong line but now that I have narrowed it down. We are most 
> likely related on my Martins/Correia/Bettencourt line. 
>
> Let me know if either of these come up on your tree.
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:55:04 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
>
> Hi Maria,
>
> I’ve uploaded my kit to gedmatch as well. 
>
> Let’s see if we match. 
>
> Nelia 
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 10:46 PM lunamarc  wrote:
>
> Hi Nelia,
>
> I have a good feeling about this one. I believe we are related through my 
> Grandmother who still has cousins in Feitera with connections to Capelas 
> based on some hints I found. I have yet to upload this cousin's info to 
> Gedmatch and I'm going to do it now. 
>
> Maria
>
> On Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 10:54:08 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I’m from Capelas and my father who is 78 has a very very sharp memory.  If 
> you have any info on your parents if they lived in Capelas then I can ask 
> him about your family etc and he may be able to remember something about 
> your grandparents my grandfather was born in 1913 so your ancestors are 
> younger which would probably mean that my father may remember them. 
>
> In Capelas everyone pretty much knew one another. 
>
> Regards,
>
> Nelia. 
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:03 PM Horace Mello  wrote:
>
> Good afternoon everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any information 
> on my father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some names that i 
> found in an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have too much 
> information, I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me find out 
> any information about my grandfather and his relatives.  Specifically links 
> to databases, pictures, records, etc.  Anything that will help me complete 
> a picture of where I came from.
>
> Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I 
> joined just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who 
> proceeded me.  Thank you.
>
> This is what I have for names: 
>
> Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he was 
> the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother of 
> the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
>
> Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something 
> please share!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives p

2019-12-07 Thread 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks Cheri !
When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!

On Friday, December 6, 2019, 10:27:20 AM PST, Cheri Mello
wrote:

Hi Deb,
You log into your page and type Nelia's name in the search box:
I'll save you some time. Nelia did not turn up on your match list.

You can match on paper and not with DNA. Sometimes 2 individuals do not inherit
enough DNA to be reported as a match.
Hope this helps, Cheri

On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 9:12 AM 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy
wrote:

Hi Luna, Does Nelia match with me? (Asking here because I don't have her kit
#). If so, it should be the Martins side of your tree.Deb

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 8:11 PM, lunamarc wrote: Hi
Nelia,
I have the wrong line but now that I have narrowed it down. We are most likely
related on my Martins/Correia/Bettencourt line.
Let me know if either of these come up on your tree.

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019 at 10:55:04 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
Hi Maria,
I’ve uploaded my kit to gedmatch as well.
Let’s see if we match.
Nelia
On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 10:46 PM lunamarc wrote:

Hi Nelia,
I have a good feeling about this one. I believe we are related through my
Grandmother who still has cousins in Feitera with connections to Capelas based
on some hints I found. I have yet to upload this cousin's info to Gedmatch and
I'm going to do it now.
Maria

On Thursday, February 7, 2019 at 10:54:08 PM UTC-5, Nelia DiBiase wrote:
Hi there,
I’m from Capelas and my father who is 78 has a very very sharp memory. If you
have any info on your parents if they lived in Capelas then I can ask him about
your family etc and he may be able to remember something about your
grandparents my grandfather was born in 1913 so your ancestors are younger
which would probably mean that my father may remember them.
In Capelas everyone pretty much knew one another.
Regards,
Nelia.
On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:03 PM Horace Mello wrote:

Good afternoon everyone,
I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any information on my
father's side of the family. Below I will provide some names that i found in
an obituary for my grandfather. While I do not have too much information, I
was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me find out any information
about my grandfather and his relatives. Specifically links to databases,
pictures, records, etc. Anything that will help me complete a picture of where
I came from.
Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated. I joined
just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who proceeded me.
Thank you.
This is what I have for names:
Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he was the
son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother of the late
Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something please
share!

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

2019-12-07 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Cheri and Angela;  Thank you both! I sure would be have a lot less information 
were it not for both of you and so many other helping me.  It is much 
appreciated!

Side note Sam,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 6:34 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

I agree with what Angela said. I'm pretty sure her ? are correct as well.

Yes, Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho is in Almagreira.

2nd note: ...16 of the month and year. So he died on 16 Aug. 1975. 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 4:28 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Hi Sam,

I think it says: 

«O individuo a que se refere este registo de nome Antonio Cabral no modo de 
solteiro, contraiu casamento com Maria de Chaves Nunes(?), de dezanove anos, 
solteira, natural da freguesia de Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho (Almagreira?), 
filha de José Nunes(?) e Luiza Izabel de Chaves. 
Vila do Porto, 23 Abril 1931»

«nº 2: o casamento averbado em 1, foi dissolvido por óbito do conjugue marido 
em 16 do mês (...?). Em 17 Agosto de 1975.»

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia sábado, 7/12/2019 à(s) 23:57:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P97.html
 
Right side.  I can read the main document but; need a little help with the side 
note.  I see that Antonio Cabral married Maria? de ??  who was 19 years old and 
native of the parish of Sao Pedro, daughter of Jose ? and his wife, Izabel de 
Chaves.  Do I have that right and can anyone fill in the question marks please?
 
2nd note:  The marriage was dissolved by the death of Maria?? On 16th of August 
1975.  Can’t tell if that says “marido” or “marida”.  Was it Antonio or Maria 
that died?
 
Thanks you for your help with this,
 
Sidenote Sam  
 
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

2019-12-07 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P97.html

Right side.  I can read the main document but; need a little help with the side 
note.  I see that Antonio Cabral married Maria? de ??  who was 19 years old and 
native of the parish of Sao Pedro, daughter of Jose ? and his wife, Izabel de 
Chaves.  Do I have that right and can anyone fill in the question marks please?

2nd note:  The marriage was dissolved by the death of Maria?? On 16th of August 
1975.  Can’t tell if that says “marido” or “marida”.  Was it Antonio or Maria 
that died?

Thanks you for your help with this,

Sidenote Sam  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives p

2019-12-06 Thread 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy

Hi Luna, Does Nelia match with me? (Asking here because I don't have her kit
#). If so, it should be the Martins side of your tree.Deb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need a referral

2019-12-05 Thread 'joao ventura' via Azores Genealogy

 Hi Brian, 

I emailed you. Please check your spam folder.
João VenturaTerceira

On Thursday, December 5, 2019, 7:17:32 PM GMT, Brian Margarit 
 wrote:  
 
 Hey everybody,
I'll be traveling to Sao Jorge and Graciosa sometime in the next year, and I'm 
looking for a referral for a researcher/genealogist/archiver etc that I could 
hire while I'm there.  I tried contacting a Joao that is recommended here but 
received no response.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Gracias!



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Practice Portuguese (learn the language) Sale through Monday

2019-12-05 Thread 'Deb McCabe' via Azores Genealogy

I too was pointed toward Duolingo from someone who used it. I REALLY like it.
It is structured in a way that works well with the way my brain works. Having
said that, it's Brazilian Portuguese, which has caused me to stop and look for
a European Portuguese alternative.
When I searched for ancestors, I found friends!

On Wednesday, December 4, 2019, 07:46:09 PM PST, lunamarc
wrote:

I've been directed to one called Duolingo. Not sure how well this compares but
I know it's free and does do modules also.

On Friday, November 29, 2019 at 2:34:35 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)
Practice Portuguese is an online learning module for European Portuguese. They
have lessons (learning modules) consisting of listening, writing, fill in the
blank, pick the picture, etc. They also have podcasts and little video episodes.

They are having a sale through Monday. It averages out to $11.50 USD per month
if you sign up for the one year plan:
https://www. practiceportuguese.com/become- a-premium-member/?p=bf_em
For those who are interested in learning the language, there are many to chose
from. Pick the one that you like best, just like you do with genealogy software.
Cheri

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: RootsMagic (genealogy software) Holiday Deal

2019-11-28 Thread 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy

RootsMagic does currently have a Mac version, version seven, but it only runs 
within a “wrapper” program  can’t think of the name, lol so that it is 
not truly a Mac program but will run on a Mac. There is a new version eight 
that will be out sometime this next year that will be a native Mac version but 
be aware that the current version seven will not run on the new Mac operating 
system, Catalina. It simply will not open because Catalina only runs 64 bit 
apps.

Kathy 

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> On Nov 28, 2019, at 9:46 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> 
> P.S. I think they have a Mac version now.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 9:19 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> RootMagic, a fully-featured genealogy software, is having their holiday 
>> deal, starting today through December 24th. It's a bundle for $30 USD.
>> 
>> Not sure about RootsMagic (RM)? Try their limited-featured version, called 
>> Essentials here: https://www.rootsmagic.com/essentials/
>> 
>> Here's the difference between the Essentials and the fully-featured RM:
>> http://www.rootsmagic.com/RootsMagic/Features.aspx
>> 
>> Here's screenshots, etc:
>> http://www.rootsmagic.com/RootsMagic/Features.aspx
>> 
>> If you like it, the holiday deal is here: 
>> https://rootsmagic.com/holidayoffer/
>> 
>> I don't use RootsMagic. It's not the program for me. The program for you is 
>> the one you like the best. So if you are not happy with your current 
>> genealogy software, take a look at RM. 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA and Azores

2019-11-26 Thread 'Lisa' via Azores Genealogy

The most recent update on AncestryDNA was spot on (finally) including correctly 
identifying my islands:  43% Portuguese—>Azores—>Pico & Sao Jorge.

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> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:47 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> The difference of DNA tests between FTDNA and Ancestry is impossible to 
> understand.I traced a line very carefully.  One brother used FTDNA, his 
> sister used  Ancestry.  FTDNA results came out very closely to my research to 
> the 1500’s Portuguese, Italian, Croatian and English. Ancestry says mostly 
> FrenchI have found no French thus far in this family Go figure.  
> 
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>> On Nov 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>> 
>> Rob W,
>> 
>> There is no way to give you any advise without me looking at your DNA page 
>> on FTDNA. I would be a lot of guesses and nothing concrete.
>> 
>> Here are the join instructions:  
>> 
>> Log into the FTDNA page with the kit number and password.
>> 
>> Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects. 
>> When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project."
>> 
>> If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down to 
>> the JOIN button at the end.
>> 
>> If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says "Search 
>> by Surname" and type: azores.
>> 
>> When Azores Islands appears, click the link and follow the directions. 
>> 
>> ==
>> 
>> My guess is that "Du Coyte" may be "do Couto."
>> 
>> After you join the Azores DNA Project, I can tell you more. Otherwise, it's 
>> just some wild guesses.   
>> 
>> Thanks, Cheri Mello, Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer), Azores DNA Project
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 10:57 AM Rob Whaite  wrote:
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> One of my 2nd Great Grandfather's came to South Australia in 1848.
>>> Unfortunately most shipping lists of the time have"not survived"  to use 
>>> the official term.There are some Newspaper reports but they are notoriously 
>>> unreliable and misspellings abound.
>>> He was born about 1808 and went by the name of Joseph Josephs which 
>>> unfortunately was not his real name. His real name was supposed to be Du 
>>> Coyte or something similar 
>>> When one of his daughter's died the obituary said that her father fought in 
>>> the Crimean war which is impossible of course because he was already in 
>>> Australia before that war began.
>>> He may have fought in the Portuguese civil war as he would have been old 
>>> enough.
>>> 
>>> He probably came to Australia via England. Very hard to find a name when 
>>> you don't know what name to look for? He was however Portuguese and spoke 
>>> very poor English.
>>> 
>>> I have had my DNA tested with Ancestry and uploaded my info To "My 
>>> Heritage" FTDNA,Living DNA and Gedmatch.
>>> Ancestry does not recognize my Portuguese ancestry although it did 
>>> originally, however "My Heritage" does!!
>>> 
>>> I have been checking my Portugal matches on Ancestry and over 90% of them 
>>> have an ancestor from the Azores within 3-4 generations.  I don't know how 
>>> common that is in the overall Portuguese population??
>>> I do know that Joseph was suppose to have come from an island and had a 
>>> brother that went to South America,Brazil??
>>> 
>>> I know this is a bit long winded but do you think it is reasonable to 
>>> assume that Joseph came from the Azores? At least at this stage?
>>> 
>>> I'm just looking for an opinion and as I have explained I have next to 
>>> nothing to go on!!!
>>> 
>>> Rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DAR Ancestor Round-up

2019-11-23 Thread 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy

Rosemarie,

Do you have a name for the keynote speaker?

Thanks,

Bill

> On Nov 22, 2019, at 8:09 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks, Deb. I will add you to the list of attendees! If I get close to 20 I 
> will need a bigger room so we'll have to see what happens. Will look forward 
> to seeing you! 
> 
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 7:17 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
>>  wrote:
>> So glad to hear this Rosemarie!  I’ll get my registration in.  Love the 
>> location!
>> 
>> Debbie
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2019 at 5:27 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  
>>> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> Just wanted to let you all know that I will be presenting a two hour 
>>> Portuguese Research class as the DAR Ancestor Round-up on Jan 25, 2002 in 
>>> Seaside CA. I've attached the Class Schedule and also the Flyer. If you 
>>> plan to attend, please let me know as they have placed me in a small room 
>>> so if I have 20 or more they will move us to a larger room! 
>>> The Keynote speaker is the librarian for the California State Library. 
>>> Thanks and hope to see some of you there. 
>>> Rosemarie
>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New Sao Miguel Index

2019-11-22 Thread ':' via Azores Genealogy

Wonderful!!!  Much thanks to Terri Santos, Joe Matias and Fernando Pimentel for 
their time and work!!!

In a message dated 11/22/2019 4:44:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
azores@googlegroups.com writes:

Hi Everyone
I wanted to announce that there is a new resource on the Azores GenWeb. It is 
an Index of the marriages for Vila Franca, Sao Miguel for the period of 
1670-1799. This work was done by Terri Santos, Joe Matias, and Fernando 
Pimentel and made available to all other researchers. We thank them for all 
their efforts!
Kathy CardozaCoordinator, Azores GenWeb
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[AZORES-Genealogy] New Sao Miguel Index

2019-11-22 Thread 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy

Hi Everyone

I wanted to announce that there is a new resource on the Azores GenWeb. It is 
an Index of the marriages for Vila Franca, Sao Miguel for the period of 
1670-1799. This work was done by Terri Santos , Joe 
Matias,  and Fernando Pimentel 
 and made available to all other researchers. 
We thank them for all their efforts!

Kathy Cardoza
Coordinator, Azores GenWeb
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

2019-11-21 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

Some of your lines go back to the Camelos and therefore to Afonso III.
John

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 10:15:04 PM EST, Luis Arruda
wrote:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
Hello everyone,I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal
record contains.I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the
legitimate son of Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha. It appears he
was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the 13th ( or is 3rd ) of
March in the same year.
I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De Souza
Coelho and Antonia De?. ( is that de Jesus?).His maternal grandparents are
Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) I am unable to decipher her first or
last name.
Thanking everyone in advance.Luis ArrudaHamilton, ON

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Introducing myself

2019-11-20 Thread 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy

 Brian,
Let me know if you are interested in sharing information.  My family line goes 
back to Guadalupe, Graciosa too.  Mainly Victoria, but Praia is also in the 
mix.  Feel free to email directly.  I also owe a lot to Bill Seidler for his 
help in translating records.
Family names: Espional, Silva, Vasconcellos, Conde, and Bettencourt.
Regards,
Bill Boyd
On Friday, November 8, 2019, 08:22:38 AM PST, Brian Margarit 
 wrote:  
 
 Hey guys,
I've never introduced myself on here - I've made a few posts under the username 
'analytic advantage'.
I'll be going to the genealogy conference in 2020 to align with going to the 
Acores to try and fill gaps in history and names etc.  I currently live in 
Mexico but was born in Canada.  My family, mostly, comes from Sao Jorge, 
Graciosa, and Terceira to a lesser extent.  I got extremely lucky with my 
grandfather's line on my mom's side and was able to go back as far as I 
reliable could, which was prior to 900CE (Noronha).  His wife is a Cordeiro, 
and we have that line back to 1700 or so, back to Guadalupe/Praia Graciosa, to 
Manuel Espinola De Mendonca.  My family primarily lived in Praia, Graciosa - 
Urzelina Sao Jorge - and Angra
I owe a great deal to Bill Seidler.  I started our tree back in 2008, but ran 
into a lot of issues in consistency, so I stopped until two years ago.  He was 
able to fill in a lot of blanks for me that he was able to find with the advent 
of the records being made available on the internet. I was able to pay him back 
in a wealth of family photos.  I've restored old images for a number of years, 
including as far back as the first photographs on the islands.  To date I have 
around 100 from my family line alone.  I also have a lot of paperwork and low 
print number books etc that are hard to find.  
Glad I found this.  
Gracias!
Brian Margarit



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. Naturalization records

2019-11-20 Thread 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy

 Perhaps someone should contact Reclaim the Records:
https://www.reclaimtherecords.org/

Bill
On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 07:19:00 PM PST, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes, that is correct. I read it the same way.
On Wed, Nov 20, 2019, 4:13 PM Marilyn Thompson  wrote:

Cheri I am reading the cost differently. The index search is $240 and Record 
Request is $368. If you do both of them that is $608. It was hard enough to pay 
$65 for the index search and then to maybe not get anything.
Is this index supposed to be for all naturalizations no matter what state they 
were done in

That is a terrible cost. I agree with Rosemarie it should be under the Freedom 
of Info Act.
Marilyn
On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 2:20 PM Richard Francis Pimentel 
 wrote:


Around 2004 I went to the National Records Center in Waltham, MA. I was able to 
verify that the Naturalization Record I was seeking was in fact there and they 
pulled the record for me which was the original. I was able to have a copy made 
which was around 25 cents.  This is crazy charging so much to get a copy of a 
record. I personally think they want to charge so much that no one can afford 
to make a request. They will have nothing to do and they will sit around all 
day playing on their computers and watching videos.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 1:40 PM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Huge increase in price for searching U.S. 
Naturalization records

 

Dick Eastman wrote about the huge price increase for U.S. Naturalization 
records. The new fees are ridiculous!

https://blog.eogn.com/2019/11/15/uscis-proposes-fee-increases-for-genealogy-records/
 

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

2019-11-15 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

 Depending on the time and place (e.g. Bretanha in 1850) state run public 
primary schools were few and far between. So, some people who had some primary 
schooling (e.g. 2nd grade level) would set up a private school in their homes 
and charged tuition. These "mestres" taught the basics, as best they could. 
When official examiners for the state made inspections, they often wrote 
scathing reports about these uncertified teachers whom they classified as 
barely literate. Miguel Soares da Silva's book As Escolas de Santo Antonio e 
Santa Barbara, Nova Grafica, Ponta Delgada: 2008 and "Os Remedios no Contexto 
da Bretanha" in Memoria e Identidade: Paroquia de Nossa Senhora dos Remedios, 
Nova Grafica, Ponta Delgada: 2006, are great references.
I hope this helps.
John Miranda Raposo


   On Friday, November 15, 2019, 3:18:51 PM EST, Ângela Loura 
 wrote:  
 
 I take this opportunity, since some of these terms come all the way from the 
middle ages, to share with you 2 volumes of a book containing the meaning of 
old portuguese words, called Elucidário, it may be useful: http://purl.pt/13944
Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 à(s) 20:10:

So, from an American point-of-view, she was the teacher (or person who mastered 
her craft) of home economics. Interesting terminology from back then,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 12:07 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

Mestra was the lady who teached the girls the crafts in order to be good 
housewives. Cooking, sewing, taking care of babies...
Margaret Vicente  escreveu no dia sexta, 15/11/2019 
à(s) 17:21:


“Mestra de Meninas” or currently spoken “Professora de meninas” means “School 
girls Teacher” in the 1800’s schools were segregated by sex.  Mixed classes did 
not exist back then.

 

Margaret v.

 

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: November 15, 2019 12:09 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question on Profession "Mestra de meninhos(as)"?

 

Hi Jessica,

 

Mestre (masculine) or mestra (feminine) means master. Professora is teacher 
(feminine).

 

You'd need to look for another "os" or "as" in the document to figure out if 
it's meninos or meninas. I kinda think it's meninas.

 

So what is a master of the girls? My understanding of a master is someone who 
has mastered something. It could be a trade as well as someone who went to 
school and mastered a subject. I believe the word is also used for a person who 
is in a leadership position as well. The native speakers can shed more light on 
this.

 

My complete wild guess (I've never seen this occupation) is that she's in 
charge of the girls' orphanage. She could also be something like a girls' 
principal. 

 

Native speakers, please let us know what you think!  Cheri

 

 

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Fri, Nov 15, 2019 at 9:01 AM JML  wrote:


Hi group!

 

For this marriage of Joaquim Machado de Lemos and Maria da Luz. It states that 
the bride's profession was that of a "mestra of children or just girls" I can't 
tell if it's an "as" or "os" for menin_ _. 

 

Does anyone have any knowledge about professions in the 1800's? How much 
schooling would have been acquired at that time to be a mestra? I'm assuming 
mestra means teacher.

 

This is the first profession I have found for a bride, other than "domestica" 
or "costureira" so I am quite intrigued. 

 

Thank you,

 

Jessica

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879/TER-AH-TERRACHA-C-1870-1879_item1/P77.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Kopke surname/Azores?

2019-11-02 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

The Kopke family appears in Rodrigo Rodrigues as follows:

1 - MariaTeresa Leite Botelho de Teive, was born in the Parish of S. José de
PontaDelgada on 26.6.1857 and was married in Matriz de Ponta Delgada on 28 Jun
1874 toÁlvaro Kopke de Barbosa Ayala, anengineer, baptized in Cedofeita, Porto
son of Álvaro Kopke de Barbosa Ayala and Luzia Kopke.

They has:

2 - Joaquim Kopke de Barbosa Ayala, with a degreein law from the
University of Coimbra,and head of the secretariate of the City Hall of Lisbon,
where he died. Hemarried his cousin Serafina Leite do Carvalhal, daughter of
João Dias do Carvalhal da Silveira and hiswife Catarina Amélia Leite Botelho de
Teive (b. in S. José, Ponta Delgada, 14Sep 1867). Serafina Leite do Carvalhal,
was born on 2 Aug.1876 and died inLisboa in 1927. .

They had:

3 - MariaLuiza do Carvalhal Kopke, married in Lisboa.

2 - AntónioKopke de Barbosa Ayala, a customs official in Ponta Delgada died
single.

2 - LuziaKopke de Barbosa Ayala who married her cousin Manuel Kopke, (no
descendants)

I hope this helps.

Best regards,

John Miranda Raposo

On Saturday, November 2, 2019, 3:59:47 AM EDT, IslandRoutes
wrote:

My two cousins and I have DNA match who is researching the surnames Kopke
(Koepke) and Moniz. I was surprised that they had their Kopke ancestor from
Sao Miguel island.
I was sure this was a mistake. However, a little searching and I came across a
history of Nicolau Kopke of Germany who came to Portugal in the 1600s. From
this website, it appears there is a rich history in Portugal from that point
on. https://kopke1638.com/history/
I did some research and found references to Sao Miguel Island for her ancestor,
but no village. So, my guess is a branch of that Kopke family in Portugal made
their way to Sao Miguel. As she doesn't have a village, I was curious how
common the Kopke surname is on Sao Miguel? I haven't come across it before
until now. I am wondering if it is rare if it might be possible to pinpoint or
narrow down the village.

Has anyone heard of this surname before in relation to the Azores? We are
probably 4th or 5th cousins, but not my curiosity has been raised.

Thanks!

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Delta will discontinue flying to Ponta Delgada, Azores in 2020

2019-10-26 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy

There is a new flight from San Francisco non stop to Lisbon this year. I just 
booked it to go with my daughter’s family to the Azores. Also flying TAP from 
Lisbon to Sao Miguel and to leave flying TAp from Terceira to Lisbon. I left 
only getting to Faial and then Faial to Terceira on SATA as I’ve had such bad 
luck with them!! The inter island flights have not been too bad. 
Tap was stop over offer, which did not work for me, but if you want to go to an 
island to which TAP flies, you could have a “free” stop over in either Porto or 
Lisbon either coming or going. 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Oct 26, 2019, at 12:39 PM, E. Sharp  wrote:
> 
> For those of you doing a genealogy trip in 2020, Delta Airlines will no 
> longer have flights from NY to Ponta Delgada in 2020. The only alternative 
> that I can see is SATA Airlines.  Wonder if it had something to do with Delta 
> plane malfunction this past year.  Delta will still be flying into Lisbon. 
> Guess you could go to Azores from Lisbon as an alternative. 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Bettencourt name

2019-10-22 Thread 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy

Okay...thank you!

On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 3:31:22 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Hi Lillian,
>
> It's Sao Miguel island :) San Miguel is one of the Channel Islands off the 
> coast of California. Wrong ocean!
>
> Bettencourt is found with a higher frequency in the central island group. 
> I don't believe it has a little pocket with a higher frequency somewhere on 
> Sao Miguel island :(
>
> She'll be Maria (da) Souza until about 1911 and then they changed the 
> spelling and she'll be Maria (da) Sousa.
>
> Cheri
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 2:32 PM 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
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>> Is there a known location on San Miguel island for a Bettencourt line?  
>>
>> I am trying to narrow down searching without much information to begin 
>> with for someone. I would like to get her started on her journey.  A Maria 
>> Souza, (da Sousa?)  born 18 or 19 March 1895 on San Miguel. Mother of Maria 
>> is a Bettencourt. 
>>
>> Thanks all.I know it's a lot to ask.
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Olivera name or Bettencourt name on the island of San Miguel

2019-10-21 Thread 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy

Are either of these names favored in a particular location on San Miguel?

Trying to help a friend get started on her genealogical journey with little 
information.

Thank you!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Bettencourt name

2019-10-21 Thread 'Lillian Palko' via Azores Genealogy

Is there a known location on San Miguel island for a Bettencourt line?  

I am trying to narrow down searching without much information to begin with 
for someone. I would like to get her started on her journey.  A Maria 
Souza, (da Sousa?)  born 18 or 19 March 1895 on San Miguel. Mother of Maria 
is a Bettencourt. 

Thanks all.I know it's a lot to ask.

Lillian

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faria from Faial

2019-10-15 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Kathleen H, I have lots of Faria family on Faial.  I have 3 different Rosa 
ladies born in the 1800’s.  You can write me directly.  Hope we can connect.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Kathleen Hurley
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 7:54 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Faria from Faial

Thank you, Cheri!  It's extremely kind of you.

I remember Rose well, and her daughter is still alive - once the family gets to 
the US, all is clear.  It's just going backward that's awkward.

Thanks again!

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 9:34 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
Hi Kathleen H,

Everything in the Azores is organized on the village (freguesia level). You 
need to know which village/freguesia it was on Faial. 

Faial has about 13 churches to search. You could go through 1901-1903 looking 
for a Rosa born to a Faria. The records cut off in 1911, so there's no way to 
find Lydia.

You could use American resources to trace Rosa/Rose and her siblings. Death 
certificates, obituaries from the paper, tombstone, kids' baptisms, U.S. 
Census, naturalization records (hers or spouse's). There's a whole list of 
things to search in this how to on the Azores GenWeb here: 
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/

Also, if you have an exact year for your Rose/Rosa coming to MA, you can search 
the Passaportes leaving Horta as well.

Happy hunting! 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 6:21 PM Kathleen Hurley  wrote:
Hi, I'm stuck and hoping for either information or inspiration!  My 
great-grandmother Rose Faria was born in Faial and settled in MA, US.  I can't 
find her birth record.  She had multiple siblings, and I can't find their birth 
records, either. The family story is that their parents died young so it's 
possible they took on a relative's name but (guess?) even though I have a 
possible line on this, I can't find the records.  Best yet, one of the siblings 
died in the Azores, and I can't find her death certificate!  Any insight?

Rose (b. 1902) or Lydia Faria (b. abt 1916) (possible relative's name is 
Cardosa).  

Thank you for any advice!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa Marriage Indexes

2019-10-14 Thread 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy

Elizabeth

Cardoza is my husband’s surname. That branch of his family was from Terceira. 
If you go back a couple of generations to the Azores, you can see that the 
surname for a while was Esteves. His own grandfather used several surnames 
(Cardoza, Souza, Esteves, and various combinations) until he settled on Cardoza 
he immigrated to the U.S. The Cardoza/Cardoso part was from a maternal line. 
Unfortunately, and to our dismay, you can NOT follow a surname line by name 
only. The naming practices of the Azores are such that they don’t necessarily 
take their father’s surname for each generation. In fact, that is fairly 
uncommon. For a more in depth explanation of this to guide you in your 
research, please see this article:  
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.html
 
<http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-m---z/naming-practices-of-the.html>

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> On Oct 13, 2019, at 5:04 PM, Elizabeth Ramer  
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> I have a Rose Cordoza (but I've also seen it spelled Cardoza) from Faial da 
> Terra in my family tree. I don't know her parents or anything past her at 
> this point. I think she was born about 1839.
> 
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 6:53 PM 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy 
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> Elizabeth …… What surname/person would that be?
> 
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>> On Oct 13, 2019, at 2:50 PM, Elizabeth Ramer > <mailto:elizabethrame...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>> Yes, thank you! Kathy you and I have a surname in common, I wonder if we are 
>> related?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa Marriage Indexes

2019-10-13 Thread 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy

Elizabeth …… What surname/person would that be?

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> Yes, thank you! Kathy you and I have a surname in common, I wonder if we are 
> related?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa Marriage Indexes

2019-10-13 Thread ':' via Azores Genealogy

Obriigada mucho, Tammy.  We are all most appreciative for all of your time and 
hard work!Marie Pleasant

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Hello to All
If you have ancestors from Graciosa, you will want to check out these new 
marriage indexes for Luz, Guadalupe, and Santa Maria on Graciosa. This work was 
done and contributed by Tammy Medeiros-Jesso. Thank you, Tammy, for all your 
work and willingness to share it!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Graciosa Marriage Indexes

2019-10-13 Thread 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy

Hello to All

If you have ancestors from Graciosa, you will want to check out these new 
marriage indexes for Luz, Guadalupe, and Santa Maria on Graciosa. This work was 
done and contributed by Tammy Medeiros-Jesso 
. Thank you, Tammy, 
for all your work and willingness to share it!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

2019-10-06 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

 I also found this in the archives:
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Naming of Expostos

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On Sunday, October 6, 2019, 10:32:34 AM EDT, 'Susan Murphy' via Azores 
Genealogy  wrote:  
 
 Thank you very much John! I think I read this years ago but itWas very good to 
read again and I will file in a place for safe keeping!
Susan Vargas Murphy 

On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:22 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:



 Here is the work on expostos by Eloise Cadinha. Some years ago she shared it 
with me and she also gave me permission to share it. It has been published on 
this list before. I know because I get e-mails from people who have found it 
and either want more information, want to express their surprise at how awful 
this situation was, and to express their appreciation for Eloise's hard work 
and erudition on this subject.
You will not find very much on this subject. Until recent times it was taboo 
just as slavery in the Azores is and as Jewish roots used to be. Times change, 
and what might have been an uncomfortable discussion 50 years ago is now open 
for discussion. I am waiting for some serious research on slavery in the Azores.
What follows is the work done by Eloise for whom I have much admiration and to 
whom I owe much for her sharing erudition.:

Most of us as weresearch our ancestors will find an expostoor two.  It is 
indeed miraculous that they were able to survive toadulthood, to marry and to 
have children. 


Expostos - a translation : A very sad situation.

EloiseCadinha

(The following is my poor translation/distillation of part of an articlewritten 
by Henrique Bras (1884-) in Boletimde Instituto Histórico da Ilha Terceira, 
1947.)

In the last threecenturies there is a long list of filhosda igreja (children of 
the church), also known at times in baptismalrecords in the parish registers of 
Terceira, as children of unknown fathers andmothers (filho(a) de pais 
incógnitos),who were often baptized with the most noble or notable or the very 
rich peopleof Terceira serving as godparents.  In more recent times the number 
ofchildren secretly abandoned at the rodas(wheels) had greatly increased, 
despite the many recently born innocents whodied when abandoned, and the few 
for whom the fear of discovery, still did notkeep them from being strangled 
before seeing the light of day.  Providingsupport for these children who 
survived became one of the most difficultproblems for the various city halls on 
the island, demanding a new specialtax...which the people agreed was needed but 
not without grumbling and findingfault with the new tax.  

On April 29, 1800, theConde de Almada, Captain General of the Azores in Angra, 
informed an officialof the Royal Court that in the last ten years the Cathedral 
had annually registeredthe baptism of an average of 97 expostosand also 
registered an average of 83 who had died!  And this number wasonly of those 
engeitados (abandonedones) who had arrived at the Cathedral to be baptized, 
those that had been leftin the Casa da Roda, and this numberwas only for Angra. 
 
The city councilcontinued without resources to provide for these children and 
thought aboutcreating a lottery for that purpose.  

It needs to be said:with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, there 
were yearly on anaverage 97 newborn abandoned children of unknown parents, 
legally registeredand of which 83 of these died -- naturally by affectionate 
handling, shelteredand well wrapped care. 

[Translator’s note: theauthor mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the 
famous  novel by Eça de Queiroz. I asked a cousin ifhe knew of this novel, O 
Crime do PadreAmaro, and he said  that he had read it long ago, and it was 
about awoman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed them by wrapping them 
upand drowning them in the river.  She was referred to as something like 
the"maker of angels," (tecedeirade anjos) the idea being that she was creating 
angels by killing the babies.]

On October 20, 1782, thevicar of the diocese of Angra, Dr. João Vieira de 
Bettencourt, commissioned therector of the Cathedral, Pedro da Cãmara Merens, 
to organize a separate book toregister the baptisms and deaths of these 
abandoned children.

In the year of 1783there were registered 120 baptisms and 81 deaths of expostos:

In 1784, 94 baptisms, 73 deaths;
In 1785, 97 baptisms, 86 deaths;
In 1786, 94 baptisms, 105 deaths;
In 1787, 86 baptisms, 100 deaths;
In 1788, 100 baptisms;
In 1789, 95 baptisms.

There were no deaths recorded for the years 1788 and 1789 but resumed again 
thefollowing year.  One can see that in 10 years the births and deaths of 
thefoundlings was astounding.  

Painful emotions squeezethe soul when one looks through the pages, tiny 
tragedies sown through this separatebook of the Cathedral.  The records 
indicate the names of the amas (wet-nurses) nominat

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

2019-10-06 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy

Thank you very much John! I think I read this years ago but it
Was very good to read again and I will file in a place for safe keeping!

Susan Vargas Murphy 

>> On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:22 AM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
> 
> Here is the work on expostos by Eloise Cadinha. Some years ago she shared it 
> with me and she also gave me permission to share it. It has been published on 
> this list before. I know because I get e-mails from people who have found it 
> and either want more information, want to express their surprise at how awful 
> this situation was, and to express their appreciation for Eloise's hard work 
> and erudition on this subject.
> 
> You will not find very much on this subject. Until recent times it was taboo 
> just as slavery in the Azores is and as Jewish roots used to be. Times 
> change, and what might have been an uncomfortable discussion 50 years ago is 
> now open for discussion. I am waiting for some serious research on slavery in 
> the Azores.
> 
> What follows is the work done by Eloise for whom I have much admiration and 
> to whom I owe much for her sharing erudition.:
> 
> Most of us as we research our ancestors will find an exposto or two.  It is 
> indeed miraculous that they were able to survive to adulthood, to marry and 
> to have children. 
> Expostos - a translation : A very sad situation.
> Eloise Cadinha
> (The following is my poor translation/distillation of part of an article 
> written by Henrique Bras (1884-) in Boletim de Instituto Histórico da Ilha 
> Terceira, 1947.)
> In the last three centuries there is a long list of filhos da igreja 
> (children of the church), also known at times in baptismal records in the 
> parish registers of Terceira, as children of unknown fathers and mothers 
> (filho(a) de pais incógnitos), who were often baptized with the most noble or 
> notable or the very rich people of Terceira serving as godparents.  In more 
> recent times the number of children secretly abandoned at the rodas (wheels) 
> had greatly increased, despite the many recently born innocents who died when 
> abandoned, and the few for whom the fear of discovery, still did not keep 
> them from being strangled before seeing the light of day.  Providing support 
> for these children who survived became one of the most difficult problems for 
> the various city halls on the island, demanding a new special tax...which the 
> people agreed was needed but not without grumbling and finding fault with the 
> new tax. 
> 
> On April 29, 1800, the Conde de Almada, Captain General of the Azores in 
> Angra, informed an official of the Royal Court that in the last ten years the 
> Cathedral had annually registered the baptism of an average of 97 expostos 
> and also registered an average of 83 who had died!  And this number was only 
> of those engeitados (abandoned ones) who had arrived at the Cathedral to be 
> baptized, those that had been left in the Casa da Roda, and this number was 
> only for Angra. 
> The city council continued without resources to provide for these children 
> and thought about creating a lottery for that purpose. 
> It needs to be said: with a population of about 10 to 12 thousand people, 
> there were yearly on an average 97 newborn abandoned children of unknown 
> parents, legally registered and of which 83 of these died -- naturally by 
> affectionate handling, sheltered and well wrapped care.
> [Translator’s note: the author mentions Carlota, a weaver of Angels, from the 
> famous  novel by Eça de Queiroz. I asked a cousin if he knew of this novel, O 
> Crime do Padre Amaro, and he said  that he had read it long ago, and it was 
> about a woman who got rid of unwanted infants. She killed them by wrapping 
> them up and drowning them in the river.  She was referred to as something 
> like the "maker of angels," (tecedeira de anjos) the idea being that she was 
> creating angels by killing the babies.]
> On October 20, 1782, the vicar of the diocese of Angra, Dr. João Vieira de 
> Bettencourt, commissioned the rector of the Cathedral, Pedro da Cãmara 
> Merens, to organize a separate book to register the baptisms and deaths of 
> these abandoned children.
> In the year of 1783 there were registered 120 baptisms and 81 deaths of 
> expostos:
> In 1784, 94 baptisms, 73 deaths;
> In 1785, 97 baptisms, 86 deaths;
> In 1786, 94 baptisms, 105 deaths;
> In 1787, 86 baptisms, 100 deaths;
> In 1788, 100 baptisms;
> In 1789, 95 baptisms.
> There were no deaths recorded for the years 1788 and 1789 but resumed again 
> the following year.  One can see that in 10 years the births and deaths of 
> the foundlings was astounding. 
> Painful emotions squeeze the soul when one looks through

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

2019-10-06 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

the Expostos  keptthose identifying materials to 
identified the children and to give them back toits family. Most of them never 
came for them so, the Institutions kept theidentifying material.

 The Santa Casa da Misericordia de Lisboa is one of those Institutions and,by 
far, has the biggest known collection of those identifying objects and 
messages,some centuries old, lovingly guarded in books and boxes, a pungent 
collectionof souvenirs of unwanted children, orwanted children but abandoned 
for lack of whatever reason, that well deserves beingseen. 
(Luis,C. L. Porto /Portugal)

 

 
  
On Saturday, October 5, 2019, 8:37:09 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:  
 
 We know historically that the rodas were to be used for offerings to the 
church and that the abandoned babies were left there.
What about today? Do they use the rodas still for offerings? What does a woman 
or young girl do if she cannot provide for her baby today?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 3:53 PM Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

Well, I just looked for it and didn't find it so I guess it never was there! I 
could have sworn that it was on the site but I guess not. 
Rosemarie rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and 
Pico, Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 10:03 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

Rosemarie, where? I can't find it. Where did you see it? 

I've emailed Eloise asking her permission to have the article posted on the 
Azores GenWeb (unless it's already there - as I said, I can't find it.)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci  wrote:

I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here: 
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ go and check it out.  Rosemarie 
rcapodc@gmail.comResearching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, 
Azores,Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
 wrote:

Hi Linda,
I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never 
found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have access to 
them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.   I 
can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.  
Thank you!
Debbiejessdebmendonca at gmail. Com


On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin  
wrote:


Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject as 
we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has written 
articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still be 
available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I also 
have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a tack!

 

From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

 

The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can 
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's 
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied 
this situation extensively and I have her notes.

 

John Miranda Raposo

 

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
 wrote:

 

 

I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
home.


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

 

 

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa  wrote:


 

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 |


I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
"oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it 
just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which 
had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?

 

It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So much 
so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a number 
in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was 
able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a deadend for 
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to 
this church to hand over a ch

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

2019-10-03 Thread 'Kathy Cardoza' via Azores Genealogy

There is no article on the Azores GenWeb by Eloise on expostos. I would love to 
have it there, if Eloise will permit it.

Kathy
~~~
Visit the Azores GenWeb Project:
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/
~~~



> On Oct 3, 2019, at 10:02 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Rosemarie, where? I can't find it. Where did you see it? 
> 
> I've emailed Eloise asking her permission to have the article posted on the 
> Azores GenWeb (unless it's already there - as I said, I can't find it.)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 7:58 AM Rosemarie Capodicci  <mailto:rcap...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> I think that Eloise's article is on the AzoresGenWeb site here: 
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/ <http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/> go 
> and check it out. 
>  
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com <mailto:rcap...@gmail.com>
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 10:10 PM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca 
> mailto:jessdebmendo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Linda,
> 
> I found your cousin Eloise’s work cited as a source on a search, but never 
> found the actual articles she wrote.  If you have copies, may we have access 
> to them?   Will Eloise give us permission?
> 
> Cheri will know if it’s acceptable or not to use her article on this site.   
> I can help make them into a link if you need help.  My email is below.  
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Debbie
> jessdebmendonca at gmail. Com
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 4:01 PM Linda Jardin  <mailto:ljar...@legacymechanical.com>> wrote:
> Eloise Cadinha is my cousin.  I have spoken with her regarding this subject 
> as we have an exposta whom was left at the Matriz Sao Sebastiao.  She has 
> written articles regarding the abandonment of babies. Some of these may still 
> be available on the internet.  I do have copies if anyone is interested.  I 
> also have direct contact with Eloise.  She is a lovely lady and sharp as a 
> tack!
> 
>  
> 
> From: 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy  <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>> 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 2:13 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches
> 
>  
> 
> The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all 
> churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as 
> can be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at 
> somebody's door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise 
> Cadinha studied this situation extensively and I have her notes.
> 
>  
> 
> John Miranda Raposo
> 
>  
> 
> On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello 
> mailto:gfsche...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were 
> given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The 
> information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get 
> home.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa  <mailto:lelaalvesso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the 
> "oxpostos".  My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was 
> it just certain churches?   Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church 
> which had  the roda?  Does anyone happen to know?
> 
>  
> 
> It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in 
> Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding.  So 
> much so that each exposto was given a number.   My ancestor happened to be a 
> number in the 600s.  I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and 
> then was able to match the same number to her birth certificate.   Still a 
> deadend for me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who 
> were going to this church to hand over a child.  I can't image what was going 
> on in the 1860 to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their 
> children.  
> 
>  
> 
> Would love

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Expostos left at the roda of the churches

2019-10-02 Thread 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy

The towns and cities had Foundling homes, usually convents, but not all
churches in the cities and towns were foundling homes. In the villages, as can
be seen in baptismal records, the foundlings were left either at somebody's
door or in a place where they would likely be found. Eloise Cadinha studied
this situation extensively and I have her notes.

John Miranda Raposo

On Wednesday, October 2, 2019, 3:35:49 PM EDT, Cheri Mello
wrote:

I seem to remember Joao Ventura, the archivist, stating that many babies were
given up at the Matriz churches more so than the smaller parish church. The
information is on the Azores GenWeb (I'm pretty sure). I'll look when I get
home.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019 at 12:32 PM Maria Sousa wrote:

|
|
|

I know this question comes up often and I am familiar with the "roda" and the
"oxpostos". My question is, did every church have the "roda" system or was it
just certain churches? Maybe even each frequesia had a "matrix" church which
had the roda? Does anyone happen to know?
It was very heartbreaking looking for my ancestor in Sao Sebastiao Church in
Ponta Delegada and the amount of expostos that I read was astounding. So much
so that each exposto was given a number. My ancestor happened to be a number
in the 600s. I noticed the number on her marriage certificate and then was
able to match the same number to her birth certificate. Still a deadend for
me, but so heartbreaking to think of the hundreds of people who were going to
this church to hand over a child. I can't image what was going on in the 1860
to 1890 in that area, that so many were just giving up their children.
Would love to hear your thoughts.
Maria Sousa

[AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Sao Pedro, Santa Maria

2019-09-29 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Manoel, right hand side.  As usual, I need help with the sidenote.  I can’t 
make out his surname, is it Ricardo?  I see the date of the 27th of September, 
is that when he married?  In 1930?  What does it say after the date of 27 
September?

Then I think it says he marries somebody Resendes who is 24 years old and the 
daughter of Manoel de Resendes and Valentina Lucianna, natives of the parish of 
Sao Pedro.

I see that he died on the 18 Oct 1992 in Rhode Island, USA.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P113.html

Thank you in advance and Happy Sunday,
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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[AZORES-Genealogy] babies

2019-09-28 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Don’t know if this is the condition Cheri is talking about but; a women can 
also have two uteruses and be pregnant in both at the same time.  Google it.  
Who knew!  

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furnas, Sao Miguel-Batismal record help

2019-09-28 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Joseph Mendonca; I’m so sorry for leading you astray!  I was looking at the 
wrong record!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Joseph Mendonca
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 4:08 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furnas, Sao Miguel-Batismal record help

Thanks Cheri.  I didn't realize that there could such a large gap between the 
birth of twins until now. What an ordeal for that poor woman.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 5:58 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
No, you are reading it right. The parents and the grands are all the same. They 
state one baby born 30 April and the other born 15 May both in 1814.

So I Googled it (because poor Joana being in labor for 2 weeks did not sound 
right). Apparently, a woman can ovulate and become pregnant and then have a 2nd 
ovulation a couple weeks later which can result in a pregnancy as well. I've 
never heard of that. The article said it's rare, but not unheard of.

I think the baby is Josefa.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 2:14 PM Joseph Mendonca  wrote:
Thanks Sam.  Sometimes this happens when I stare at records too long.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 4:49 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
It looks like Josefa to me.  Parents are Antonio de Frias and Joana Jacinta.

The other birth you question says Pai incognito and I think, Maria Jacinta.

That’s what I see anyway,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Joseph Mendonca
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2019 2:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furnas, Sao Miguel-Batismal record help

Right page- I just can't seem to make out the name of the child.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P217.html

Also, it appears that this couple is having another child (twin) 15 DAYS later.
Next page, bottom-left side, Jacinto. I've never encountered this before. Has 
anyone else?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P218.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help with date of marriage and bride's father's name. Santa Maria

2019-09-28 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Starts on previous page but; what I need help with is the date of the marriage 
(sidenote).  I can see, I think, that Luiz Soares de Melo marries Ludvina de 
Resendes, who is 21 years old and the daughter of ?? and possibly: Maria de 
Fagundes?, resident of Santa Barbara.  I think it says the marriage was in 
November 1928 but; I can’t make out a date?


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P94.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furnas, Sao Miguel-Batismal record help

2019-09-28 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

It looks like Josefa to me.  Parents are Antonio de Frias and Joana Jacinta.

The other birth you question says Pai incognito and I think, Maria Jacinta.

That’s what I see anyway,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Joseph Mendonca
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Furnas, Sao Miguel-Batismal record help

Right page- I just can't seem to make out the name of the child.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P217.html
  



Also, it appears that this couple is having another child (twin) 15 DAYS later.
Next page, bottom-left side, Jacinto. I've never encountered this before. Has 
anyone else?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816/SMG-PV-FURNAS-B-1801-1816_item1/P218.html
  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family size survey

2019-09-27 Thread 'Deneen Santos' via Azores Genealogy

My 2x great grandmother had 12 children incudes one set of twins. Children 
born 1893-1912

On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 6:34:46 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
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> Can you all let me know the largest Azorean family you have in your 
> database? I prefer the late 1800s onwards, and it must be from ONE wife. 
> All kids, whether or not they lived to adulthood.
>
> Example: 14 kids from ONE wife, includes one set of twins. Kids born from 
> 1890-1913.
>
> Thanks, Cheri
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family size survey

2019-09-23 Thread 'Veronica Perry' via Azores Genealogy

 
My 2nd great grandmother - 15 children  - born 1841-1863

Veronica Perry-De MelloOn Monday, September 23, 2019, 08:27:04 PM PDT, 
TERESA Phillips  wrote:  
 
 #yiv5028767578 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Keith's grandparents - 15 
kids, no twins, kids born 1908-1930From: azores@googlegroups.com 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family size survey Can you all let me know the 
largest Azorean family you have in your database? I prefer the late 1800s 
onwards, and it must be from ONE wife. All kids, whether or not they lived to 
adulthood.
Example: 14 kids from ONE wife, includes one set of twins. Kids born from 
1890-1913.
Thanks, Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family size survey

2019-09-23 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy

19 kids from one wife,
Born 1865-1895, no twins 

(Not my ancestors but my aunt my marriage’s grandparentsin my 
database...was not sure if they needed to be my ancestors) 

Susan Vargas Murphy 

> On Sep 24, 2019, at 5:34 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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> Can you all let me know the largest Azorean family you have in your database? 
> I prefer the late 1800s onwards, and it must be from ONE wife. All kids, 
> whether or not they lived to adulthood.
> 
> Example: 14 kids from ONE wife, includes one set of twins. Kids born from 
> 1890-1913.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-22 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Bill, Once you tell me what it says, I can make it out but; before hand, I just 
can’t seem to see it!  So frustrating.

Thank you so much for all your help,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2019 5:18 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

Hi Sam,

1,  The individual in this record named Manuel Soares Coelho, single, married 
in this (concelho?) on 6 of December of the current year with Angelina de 
Andrade Tavares, age 28 years, single, daughter of José Joaquim de Andrade and 
Ana Isabel Tavares, natives of this parish.  Signed, date 6 Dec 193?.  I will 
guess 1933 but I can't be sure of that last scribbled digit.

2. Passed to widowed status from Angelina de Andrade on 4 of the current in São 
Pedro, signed and dated 5 June (or July?) 1963.

3 Died in São Pedro on 7 of the current.  Signed, dated 8 Jan 1865 (I'm not 
certain of the month or year, but that is my best guess)

Bill Seidler
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-22 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Bottom left, Manoel, #26.  For the life of me, I can’t seem to read these 
sidenotes!  Does this say that Manoel Soares ??, widow, in the current year on 
December ?? married Ana ?? Tavares who is 28 and the daughter of Jose Joaquim 
d’Andrade and Anna Izabel Tavares?

It then goes on to say that his first wife, Angelina de Andrade Tavares passed 
on the 4th of the current February? Current February being 1963?  I doubt that 
I have that right!

#3 Manoel died in Sao Pedro on the 7th of current 1975.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P69.html

Thank you so much for any help you can give me on this one.

Sidenote Sam


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-22 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

As always, Bill and Angela, thank you for correcting my errors.  Sure would be 
lost with out all the help of this group!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 11:28 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
Maria

Yes, Ângela is of course correct.  I inadvertently left the "Joana" that Sam 
already knew off my post.  My apologies.

I see the year as 1932 which would make Antonio born in 1908.  

This page may be of interest: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/198610516

Bill 

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 8:59:44 PM UTC-7, Ângela Loura wrote:
Hi Sam,

I'm not sure, but she looks like Joana Izabel de Jesus, and the date looks like 
1932 or 42.

A sábado, 21 de set de 2019, 00:52, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 escreveu:
I can make most of it out but; need help with the groom’s mother’s name.  
Starts on previous page but; what I need help with is the sidenote on the left 
page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P79.html

Angelina da Conceicao Cabral marries in Vila do Porto, at the age of 21, 
Antonio dos Santos who is 24, single and the son of Jose Joaquim dos Santos and 
Joanna? Izabel d’??.   30 July 1932??

Any help is much appreciated,  these are so hard to decipher,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-21 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Bill, thank you for this.  I see the ano corrente now.  I am confused by your 
note of finding Angelina C. Sousa of the right birth date and parents.  How 
does the name de Loura, (deLoria) fit in? 

Thanks for all your help,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2019 8:31 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
Maria

It doesn't give the bride's age.  What you see as vinte um actually says ano 
corrente, com...

You have the groom's age correct.  His mother I see as Isabel de Jesus.

By the way, I found a Angelina C. Santos with the same date of birth (1 Apr 
1904) and same parents surnames (except de Loura is spelled deLoira) on the 
California death register: date 17 May 1991 in Orange, CA.

Bill

On Friday, September 20, 2019 at 4:52:47 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
I can make most of it out but; need help with the groom’s mother’s name.  
Starts on previous page but; what I need help with is the sidenote on the left 
page.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P79.html
 
Angelina da Conceicao Cabral marries in Vila do Porto, at the age of 21, 
Antonio dos Santos who is 24, single and the son of Jose Joaquim dos Santos and 
Joanna? Izabel d’??.   30 July 1932??
 
Any help is much appreciated,  these are so hard to decipher,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-20 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

I can make most of it out but; need help with the groom’s mother’s name.  
Starts on previous page but; what I need help with is the sidenote on the left 
page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P79.html

Angelina da Conceicao Cabral marries in Vila do Porto, at the age of 21, 
Antonio dos Santos who is 24, single and the son of Jose Joaquim dos Santos and 
Joanna? Izabel d’??.   30 July 1932??

Any help is much appreciated,  these are so hard to decipher,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria - sidenote

2019-09-20 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Bill, thank you for this very thorough transcription and translation!  What a 
treasure of information it is.  I will have to go back and study the writing to 
see if I can now recognize some of the words that I couldn’t decipher before!

And thank you Angela for confirming Bill’s reading of it!

You guys are great!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2019 9:48 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria - 
sidenote

Very nice Bill

A sexta, 20 de set de 2019, 04:08, Bill Seidler  escreveu:
Hi Sam,

I still think it's tough, but you have given me practice with this handwriting 
so I'll give it a shot with a lot of help from my wife (a native speaker).  
Hopefully Ângela or someone will correct any errors.


O individuo a quem se refere este registo,de nome João Monteiro Tavares 
contraiu casamento nesta Vila do Porto em os tres de Novembro de mil nove 
centos e trinta com Belmira do Carmo Soares de Andrade, de vinte e um anos, 
solteira, doméstica, natural de Cambridge, Mass, America do Norte, registada 
neste concelho sob Nº 17 do ano corrente de mil nove centos e trinta, filha 
legitima de Manuel Soares de Andrade e Maria de Jesus, falecidos, naturais de 
freguesia da Nossa Senhora de Assunção.  Registo de casamentos, Nº 15, Vila do 
Porto, [signature] 3 -XI - 930

The individual referred to in this record named João Monteiro Tavares married 
in Vila do Porto on 3 Nov 1930 with Belmira do Carmo Soares de Andrade, 21 
years of age, domestic, native of Cambridge, MA, USA.  Registered in the 
council under number 17 of the current year of 1930.  Legitimate daughter of 
Manuel Soares de Andrade and Maria de Jesus, both deceased, natives of the 
parish of Nossa Senhora da Assunção.  Registry of marriages number 15, Vila do 
Porto.  {signature] 3 Nov 1930

Bill Seidler

On Thursday, September 19, 2019 at 4:14:03 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
#23, Joao.  It’s the sidenote where once again, I get lost.  I can make out 
some names and ages and dates but; can’t quite read enough to make heads or 
tails of it.  Your help is much appreciated.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P68.html
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 



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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria - sidenote

2019-09-19 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

#23, Joao.  It’s the sidenote where once again, I get lost.  I can make out 
some names and ages and dates but; can’t quite read enough to make heads or 
tails of it.  Your help is much appreciated.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P68.html

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto,Santa Maria

2019-09-17 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Bill and Angela;  Just getting back to this.  Thank you both for the 
corrections.

As always, appreciate your time and knowledge,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:38 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do 
Porto,Santa Maria

Hi Sam,

I agree with Bill

A terça, 17 de set de 2019, 03:12, Bill Seidler  escreveu:
Hi Sam,

I think he died in São Sebastião, Ponta Delgada (São Miguel Island) on 1 Aug of 
the current year.  The note appears to be dated 11 Aug 1961.

Bill

On Monday, September 16, 2019 at 5:46:12 PM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
Sidenote Sam again needs a bit of help.  Does the sidenote say he died 6 August 
1911 or 1961 or am I completely wrong?
Right hand page, Manoel, #14.  Does it say anything else important.  I can see 
the registry number.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P64.html

Thank you,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
p.s. today is Mexico’s Independence day!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-16 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Sidenote Sam again needs a bit of help.  Does the sidenote say he died 6 August 
1911 or 1961 or am I completely wrong?
Right hand page, Manoel, #14.  Does it say anything else important.  I can see 
the registry number.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P64.html

Thank you,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] CCA is back up

2019-09-16 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Just thought I’d let the list know..

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather's name - SantaBarbara, Santa Maria

2019-09-16 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Yes, of course it is!  I can easily see it now!  Have not been familiar with 
that name before!

Thanks guys,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 10:06 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather's name - 
SantaBarbara, Santa Maria

Hi Sam,

I think it's Boaventura José de Morais

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia domingo, 15/09/2019 à(s) 22:40:
Cheri and Angela;  You guys are helping me clean up a lot of records that had 
various things I couldn’t make out.  I really appreciate your help!
 
This one is a birth of Jacintha, top, left.  It is only the maternal 
grandfather’s name I can’t decipher.  Joao Ventura Jose de ?? Morais.  It all 
runs together there so, I’m not sure what is what.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P129.html
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-16 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Bill thanks for your input.  Yes, looking at it again, I can see where it say 
Inácio and not Bairos.  Angela already corrected my gaf on the marriage date of 
the 31st.

Thanks again,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 1:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
Maria

Hi Sidenote Sam!

I agree strongly with your comment on Ángela taking the time to give a full 
translation.  It really helps a non-speaker like me recognize more words than 
just names and dates--Thank you Ángela!

This doesn't give the groom's age, the 31 you see is the marriage date, which 
is the same day the note was signed, 31 Oct 1929.  So if he was born in 1901 as 
you say he would have been about 28.  Also, the bride's father's name looks 
like Manuel Inácio de Rezendes to me.

Hope this helps,

Bill Seidler

On Sunday, September 15, 2019 at 9:05:52 PM UTC-7, Lizmig wrote:
Lololo.  Love it. Sidenote Sam.  Lolol
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2019, at 4:18 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
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Good afternoon; It’s “Sidenote Sam” again.  I can get a lot of this but; not 
enough to put it all together.  #26, Jacintho.
 
I can see Jacintho de Figueiredo who is 31 years old marrying Maria something? 
Resendes who is 21 years old and the daughter of Manoel Bairos Resendes and 
Jacintha something? De Moura.  At least, that’s what I think I see.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P36.html
 
Thanks for your help,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather's name - Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

2019-09-15 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Cheri and Angela;  You guys are helping me clean up a lot of records that had 
various things I couldn’t make out.  I really appreciate your help!

This one is a birth of Jacintha, top, left.  It is only the maternal 
grandfather’s name I can’t decipher.  Joao Ventura Jose de ?? Morais.  It all 
runs together there so, I’m not sure what is what.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P129.html

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-15 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks Angela;  Once again I greatly appreciate you taking the time to type it 
out for me.  It explains what I thought was a discrepancy.  I thought it was 
saying that he was 73 when he dies and he was not, he was 61.  I was 
mis-reading the registry number for his age at death.

Do you know what the Manuel Bairos/Inacio de Rezendes  connotates?   Is the 
priest trying to indicate that his name was Manuel Inacio Bairos de Rezendes?

Thanks again,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 3:04 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
Maria

Hi "sidenote Sam" (lol)

O indivíduo a que se refere este registo de nome Jacinto de Figueiredo, no 
estado de solteiro, contraiu casamento neste concelho aos trinta e um de 
Outubro com Maria de/da/do Esperança Rezendes de vinte e um anos, solteira, 
filha de Manuel Bairos/Inácio de Rezendes e Jacinta Filomena de Moura
Vila do Porto, 31 de Outubro 1929 (signature) - Faleceu na freguesia de São 
Pedro no dia 22 de Julho de 1963. Registo nº 73 do con(...?). Em 23 de Julho de 
1963 (signature)

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 15/09/2019 à(s) 
21:35:
Maria do Esperança Resendes. 

I can't tell Jacinta's 2nd name. Looks like he sneezed when writing. 
You have the rest right!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:18 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
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Good afternoon; It’s “Sidenote Sam” again.  I can get a lot of this but; not 
enough to put it all together.  #26, Jacintho.
 
I can see Jacintho de Figueiredo who is 31 years old marrying Maria something? 
Resendes who is 21 years old and the daughter of Manoel Bairos Resendes and 
Jacintha something? De Moura.  At least, that’s what I think I see.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P36.html
 
Thanks for your help,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-15 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Cheri; Nevermind; he was born 1901 and is 31 at the time of the marriage so, I 
can figure it out more or less.

Thanks for your help,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 2:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
Maria

Maria do Esperança Resendes. 

I can't tell Jacinta's 2nd name. Looks like he sneezed when writing. 
You have the rest right!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:18 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
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Good afternoon; It’s “Sidenote Sam” again.  I can get a lot of this but; not 
enough to put it all together.  #26, Jacintho.

I can see Jacintho de Figueiredo who is 31 years old marrying Maria something? 
Resendes who is 21 years old and the daughter of Manoel Bairos Resendes and 
Jacintha something? De Moura.  At least, that’s what I think I see.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P36.html

Thanks for your help,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-15 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Cheri;  Can you see the year of the marriage?

Thanks,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2019 2:35 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
Maria

Maria do Esperança Resendes. 

I can't tell Jacinta's 2nd name. Looks like he sneezed when writing. 
You have the rest right!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 1:18 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Good afternoon; It’s “Sidenote Sam” again.  I can get a lot of this but; not 
enough to put it all together.  #26, Jacintho.

I can see Jacintho de Figueiredo who is 31 years old marrying Maria something? 
Resendes who is 21 years old and the daughter of Manoel Bairos Resendes and 
Jacintha something? De Moura.  At least, that’s what I think I see.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P36.html

Thanks for your help,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sidenote help, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-15 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Good afternoon; It’s “Sidenote Sam” again.  I can get a lot of this but; not 
enough to put it all together.  #26, Jacintho.

I can see Jacintho de Figueiredo who is 31 years old marrying Maria something? 
Resendes who is 21 years old and the daughter of Manoel Bairos Resendes and 
Jacintha something? De Moura.  At least, that’s what I think I see.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P36.html

Thanks for your help,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Date of marriage? Assuncao, Santa Maria

2019-09-15 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Well, thank you both anyway.  This is such a great group, always willing to 
help.

Much appreciated!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 3:23 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Date of marriage? Assuncao, Santa Maria

That was Angela who boxed the words for you. I just mentioned the date 
(abbreviated) in the side margin.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 1:35 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
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Cheri, thanks for the date and special thanks for taking the time to show me 
the words on the document and note the side note.  Hopefully, that should help 
me in the future!
 
You guys are great!  What a productive day for me!  Yippee!
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 2:06 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Date of marriage? Assuncao, Santa Maria
 
October 4
 

 
Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia sábado, 14/09/2019 à(s) 20:51:
4 Oct 1727. Someone noted it in the margin as 8bro 4.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 12:46 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
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Thank Bill, I need to pay closer attention.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735_item1/P89.html
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Bill Seidler
Sent: Saturday, September 14, 2019 12:32 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Date of marriage? Assuncao, Santa Maria
 
Try pasting the link again.  I think you only got part of it.

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 11:26:32 AM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
Bottom, left.  Marriage of Joseph de Moura and Barbara de Resendes.  Can anyone 
make out the date of the marriage?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1
 
I appreciate all the help today and always,
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
 
 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Date of marriage? Assuncao, Santa Maria

2019-09-14 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Thank Bill, I need to pay closer attention.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1717-1735_item1/P89.html

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Bill Seidler
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Date of marriage? Assuncao, Santa Maria

Try pasting the link again.  I think you only got part of it.

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 11:26:32 AM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
Bottom, left.  Marriage of Joseph de Moura and Barbara de Resendes.  Can anyone 
make out the date of the marriage?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1
 
I appreciate all the help today and always,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Date of marriage? Assuncao, Santa Maria

2019-09-14 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Bottom, left.  Marriage of Joseph de Moura and Barbara de Resendes.  Can anyone 
make out the date of the marriage?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confusing marriage and obit, Santa Maria

2019-09-14 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks Cheri and Bill for your insight.  

Bill; Yes, you’re right about the middle names and what you say, makes sense 
given how they “played loose” with ther surnames!

Thanks you both,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Confusing marriage and obit, Santa Maria

I believe they are the same person but she did not marry her father-in-law.

Her husband Manuel Joaquim de Bairros may have sometimes used his father's last 
name Raposo instead of de Bairros.  Her father-in-law's name was Manuel Caetano 
(not Joaquim) Raposo.

Bill Seidler

On Saturday, September 14, 2019 at 10:08:59 AM UTC-7, Sam (Camas, WA) wrote:
I’m perplexed.  Question #1:  Is this the same Izabel?   Question #2:  Did she 
marry her father-in-law?  Am I just confused from doing this too long?  Help, 
please.
 
Left page, Manoel and Izabel
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860_item1/P46.html
 
Bottom, left: Izabel
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860_item1/P36.html
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Maternal grandfather's first name, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

2019-09-14 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Bottom left: Joaquina.   How do you spell the maternal grandfather’s first 
name:  Costhodco???

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P131.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Confusing marriage and obit, Santa Maria

2019-09-14 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

I’m perplexed.  Question #1:  Is this the same Izabel?   Question #2:  Did she 
marry her father-in-law?  Am I just confused from doing this too long?  Help, 
please.

Left page, Manoel and Izabel
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-C-1835-1860_item1/P46.html

Bottom, left: Izabel
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-O-1842-1860_item1/P36.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help

2019-09-13 Thread 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy

Whoops, I meant Liz..On Sep 13, 2019 7:42 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:Ok. Thank youSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Cheri Mello <gfscherim@gmail.com> wrote:The word after the father's name is not Santa. It's not the same "S" as in Silveira.It says she died with no will and left 6 kids. Not that the kids witnessed her death.Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:33 PM Cheri Mello <gfscherim@gmail.com> wrote:Sometimes, where there's some type of natural disaster, such as an earthquake, the priest will note at the beginning of that section that the following died due to the earthquake. Remember though that you are researching Catholic sacramental records which was to record the sacrament (extreme unction, last rites).Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:31 PM Liz Migliori <lizmig52@gmail.com> wrote:Thank youCurious of death because others in fam died a few days beforeMight have been a plague or somethingSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2019, at 7:49 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:I see that she died 11 March 1889, 80 years old, wife of Jose Francisco da Rosa, daughter of Antonio Silveira ?? and Maria Rosa. Witnesses were her 6 children and she was buried in the public cemetery.  I don’t think it says what she died of.  Maybe someone else can get the word after Silveira…. Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Elizabeth MiglioriSent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:30 PMTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.htmlBottom right http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P57.htmlUpper left Is this the record of Maria Rita died March 11, 1889 I cannot make out how old she was???daughter of Antonio Silveira Does it say Santa after that?   and Maria Rosawife of Jose Francisco da Rosa?Does it by any chance say what she died of? thank you Liz-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CADwZyr6XLRxX47e9JRaRvQGDy97nKExjGtMtErSm4989bGkUWQ%40mail.gmail.com. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help

2019-09-13 Thread 'Sam Koester' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks for correcting that Angela.On Sep 13, 2019 7:42 PM, Liz Migliori  wrote:Ok. Thank youSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2019, at 9:37 PM, Cheri Mello <gfscherim@gmail.com> wrote:The word after the father's name is not Santa. It's not the same "S" as in Silveira.It says she died with no will and left 6 kids. Not that the kids witnessed her death.Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:33 PM Cheri Mello <gfscherim@gmail.com> wrote:Sometimes, where there's some type of natural disaster, such as an earthquake, the priest will note at the beginning of that section that the following died due to the earthquake. Remember though that you are researching Catholic sacramental records which was to record the sacrament (extreme unction, last rites).Cheri MelloListowner, Azores-GenResearching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, AchadaOn Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 6:31 PM Liz Migliori <lizmig52@gmail.com> wrote:Thank youCurious of death because others in fam died a few days beforeMight have been a plague or somethingSent from my iPhoneOn Sep 13, 2019, at 7:49 PM, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:I see that she died 11 March 1889, 80 years old, wife of Jose Francisco da Rosa, daughter of Antonio Silveira ?? and Maria Rosa. Witnesses were her 6 children and she was buried in the public cemetery.  I don’t think it says what she died of.  Maybe someone else can get the word after Silveira…. Sam (Mazatlán, MX) From: Elizabeth MiglioriSent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:30 PMTo: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.htmlBottom right http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P57.htmlUpper left Is this the record of Maria Rita died March 11, 1889 I cannot make out how old she was???daughter of Antonio Silveira Does it say Santa after that?   and Maria Rosawife of Jose Francisco da Rosa?Does it by any chance say what she died of? thank you Liz-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/azores/CADwZyr6XLRxX47e9JRaRvQGDy97nKExjGtMtErSm4989bGkUWQ%40mail.gmail.com. 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help

2019-09-13 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

I see that she died 11 March 1889, 80 years old, wife of Jose Francisco da 
Rosa, daughter of Antonio Silveira ?? and Maria Rosa. Witnesses were her 6 
children and she was buried in the public cemetery.  I don’t think it says what 
she died of.  Maybe someone else can get the word after Silveira….

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Elizabeth Migliori
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:30 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Obit help

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P56.html
Bottom right

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897/FAL-HT-CEDROS-O-1885-1897_item1/P57.html
Upper left

Is this the record of Maria Rita died March 11, 1889 I cannot make out how old 
she was???
daughter of Antonio Silveira Does it say Santa after that?   and Maria Rosa
wife of Jose Francisco da Rosa?
Does it by any chance say what she died of?

thank you 
Liz
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

2019-09-11 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

I see the 6th of November seventeen hundred and ninety something.  I think it’s 
eight but; not sure about that.  Baptized on the 21 say of the same month and 
year.  I see the same as you for the dad and the mom is Luisa Francisca.  
Natural of this parish of Nossa Senhora de Rosario.  Godfather was Matteus Jose 
Jacinto who was a son of the family of Ensign (can’t read the first name) Jose, 
widow.  The names at the bottom are the witnesses.  Hopefully, someone else can 
fill in the missing pieces.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: R Downey
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

Can someone help me read this Baptism of Maria Florinda.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799_item1/P145.html

What I think it says:  November 1799  I can't figure the date?

Father:  Lourenco Jose de Sousa

Mother:  Luisa (Luiza) _ - I cannot make out last name (Luisa Rosa - in a 
prior record)

Nordeste Sao Miguel

I am trying to find the parents of both Mother and Father if listed or more if 
possible.  Thanks so much for any help.  I am trying to get better at reading 
these.

Names I think I see and more, but can't tell who the grand parents are and who 
the priests and families of priest are?  It seems to go into quite a bit of 
detail of the Reverendo?

Padre:  Virginio son of 
Manoel de Sousa Pimentel

Godfather?:
Mathios Jose Jacindo

Son of
Someone I cannot figure out?

and then

Clarencio Jose Joachimo Soares Dutra

Antonio de Medeiros


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, 1903 Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-09 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Having trouble with this side note.  I can see that Jacintha Soares de Moura 
married Jose Joaquim Cabral who is the son of Manoel Joaquim Cabral but; I 
can’t make out the mother’s name, Maria Jose Something or the rest of that 
notation.  Does it give a date or a place for the marriage?

Then I think the next note says that the marriage was dissolved by the death of 
Jacintha on the 18 of August 1974.  Do I have that correct?

#11, Jacintha, bottom left and on to next page.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P63.html

As always, thanks for your help,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-09 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Thank you all for all your work on this very confusing scribble!  Cheri;  I’m 
old enough to remember “The Land of Milk and Honey”!  Your dad sounds like a 
font of information!  

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 10:57 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

I that comment was for Angela, as she is the one who figured it out!

By-the-way, I called my dad (he's 85) on the state nicknames. He said no, no, 
and no to the ones Gayle suggested. And then I got a lesson on when there was a 
boon in California after the dust bowl and WWII work. LOL 
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 9:49 AM Liz Migliori  wrote:
That’s what I really like about you Cheri you leave no stone unturned.  
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 8, 2019, at 11:11 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:
I think i finally got it

«O individuo a
que se refere este re-
gisto de nome Ma-
nuel de Reis, fale-
ceu no lugar da
sua naturalidade
no estado de casa-
do com Maria do
Espirito Santo Re-
zendes, filha de Fran-
cisco Rezendes Cur-
velo e de Aurélia/Amélia(?)
Izabel Coelho(?), natu-
rais desta freguezia
[???]
dia catorze de novem-
bro de mil novecentos
e vinte e sete.
 Vila do Porto 15 de 
novembro de 1927»
signature

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia segunda, 9/09/2019 à(s) 02:52:
I called my 85 year old dad. I asked him what was the nickname of California. 
He said the Golden State. I asked him "since when" and he said ever since he 
was a kid, because of the 1849ners and the gold rush. I asked my dad if he had 
any of those pennants that he used to collect as a kid that had Golden State 
written on them and instead he took me down the rabbit hole of his childhood 
bedroom with maybe 2 walls of those felt pennants plastered on them. LOL

I called Kalani and he said Hawaii was never known as the Golden State. So who 
knows what that scribe meant!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:05 PM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Just checked date for “The Golden State” and was rather shocked to be honest. 
It said it became official in 1968. I’m a native Californian and would have 
sworn it was earlier than that. Of course, it could have been commonly used 
though not official prior to 1968. Requires more research. 

Gayle

On Sep 7, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
California is known as "The Golden State" and Hawaii is "The Aloha State," but 
I don't know those terms were in use in 1905ish. Hawaii may have had another 
name, but I don't think it was the "Golden State" (since California had the 
gold rush in the mid-1800s). I'll have to ask Kalani what he knows about the 
history of Hawaii's slogans. Who knows, things evolve over time!

Cheri MelloT
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:42 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Thanks, Cheri and Angela for the heads up.  I was wondering why it was coming 
to me so easy…I read the opposite record.

As far as I can tell, the place is out of the Country.  I’m going to write what 
I see and then translate to I understand it to mean:

Cheri, the area you highlighted:  no lugar de ane nalu na Cidade no estado de 
ourado

My interpretation: in the Ananalu /Honolulu place, city of the Golden State.  

Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 7, 2019 5:12 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

I still see "lugar da  da cidade"

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 1:14 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Margaret;  Thank you.  I appreciate your help.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 1:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

Faleceu na freguesia de São Pedro.  He passed away in Vila do Porto Parish of 
São Pedro.

Margaret

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-08 Thread 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy

Did some more reading. Apparently, CA has been known as The El Dorado State, 
the Land of Milk and Honey State and even The Grape State. Who knew.  But, 
articles don’t provide dates. 

Gayle

> On Sep 8, 2019, at 6:52 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> I called my 85 year old dad. I asked him what was the nickname of California. 
> He said the Golden State. I asked him "since when" and he said ever since he 
> was a kid, because of the 1849ners and the gold rush. I asked my dad if he 
> had any of those pennants that he used to collect as a kid that had Golden 
> State written on them and instead he took me down the rabbit hole of his 
> childhood bedroom with maybe 2 walls of those felt pennants plastered on 
> them. LOL
> 
> I called Kalani and he said Hawaii was never known as the Golden State. So 
> who knows what that scribe meant!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 10:05 PM 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> Just checked date for “The Golden State” and was rather shocked to be 
>> honest. It said it became official in 1968. I’m a native Californian and 
>> would have sworn it was earlier than that. Of course, it could have been 
>> commonly used though not official prior to 1968. Requires more research. 
>> 
>> Gayle
>> 
>>> On Sep 7, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>> 
>>> California is known as "The Golden State" and Hawaii is "The Aloha State," 
>>> but I don't know those terms were in use in 1905ish. Hawaii may have had 
>>> another name, but I don't think it was the "Golden State" (since California 
>>> had the gold rush in the mid-1800s). I'll have to ask Kalani what he knows 
>>> about the history of Hawaii's slogans. Who knows, things evolve over time!
>>> Cheri MelloT
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:42 PM Margaret Vicente 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> Thanks, Cheri and Angela for the heads up.  I was wondering why it was 
>>>> coming to me so easy…I read the opposite record.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> As far as I can tell, the place is out of the Country.  I’m going to write 
>>>> what I see and then translate to I understand it to mean:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri, the area you highlighted:  no lugar de ane nalu na Cidade no estado 
>>>> de ourado
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> My interpretation: in the Ananalu /Honolulu place, city of the Golden 
>>>> State. 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Margaret
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Cheri Mello
>>>> Sent: September 7, 2019 5:12 PM
>>>> To: Azores Genealogy
>>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
>>>> Maria
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> I still see "lugar da  da cidade"
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>>>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 1:14 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Margaret;  Thank you.  I appreciate your help.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Margaret Vicente
>>>> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 1:10 PM
>>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa 
>>>> Maria
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Faleceu na freguesia de São Pedro.  He passed away in Vila do Porto Parish 
>>>> of São Pedro.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Margaret
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, Tavares de Resendes, Sao Pedro,Vilado Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-08 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Thank you very much Angela.  I couldn’t read that one at all!

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 3:51 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, Tavares de Resendes, Sao 
Pedro,Vilado Porto, Santa Maria

The bold one has the same info about the marriage.

The other one: Não vai selado por falta de meios dos interessados, e por terem 
sido gratuitos os actos a que este assento se refere. Padre Dinis

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia domingo, 8/09/2019 à(s) 22:27:
Thanks so much Angela.  With this help, I was able to find Adelina’s birth 
record but; now I’m totally lost on this side note.  To me, all the letters are 
so blurred, I can’t make anything out.  Would it be possible for you to take a 
look and see if you can make anything out?  It’s #61, bottom right.

Really appreciate all your help,

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1900-1906_item1/P176.htm

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 2:22 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, Tavares de Resendes, Sao Pedro,Vila 
do Porto, Santa Maria

His first "solteiro" is so different than his 2nd "solteiro." I would have 
never guessed.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 12:26 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Hi Sam,

Another tough one...

O individuo a que se refere este registo de nome
Manuel Tavares de Resendes, no estado de solteiro, con-
traiu casamento neste concelho aos vinte e um
de Maio do ano mil novecentos vinte e sete com
Adelina(?) de Jesus Sousa de vinte e um anos, solteira,
filha de José de Sousa d Rego e Maria José, naturais 
de N S Purificação Registo(?) nº9 (?)
Vila do Porto
25 de Julho 1959

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 8/09/2019 à(s) 19:02:
I don't read Manuel's status as married. He can't be married if he's getting 
married. It doesn't say single and it doesn't look like widowed. Someone else 
will have to get that word.

I'm reading that the date in the text is 21 May 1000 900 20 and 7. Not the 
current year.

Bride is Ana de Jesus something, 20 and 1 years, single, daughter of Jose de 
Something do Rego and Maria (would be my guess) Jose, natives of the referenced 
parish? Scribe gets crazy at the bottom.

We need more help on this!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P44.html

Top left. I can make out that Manoel Tavares de Resendes marries in this 
concelho on the 21st of May of the current year (1939?) somebody de Jesus 
something, something, daughter of Jose de something Rego and Maria Jose ?? 
natural de parish of Vila do Porto?

Can anyone confirm and fill in the blanks for me?

Thank you,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, Tavares de Resendes, Sao Pedro,Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-08 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

Thanks so much Angela.  With this help, I was able to find Adelina’s birth 
record but; now I’m totally lost on this side note.  To me, all the letters are 
so blurred, I can’t make anything out.  Would it be possible for you to take a 
look and see if you can make anything out?  It’s #61, bottom right.

Really appreciate all your help,

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1900-1906_item1/P176.htm

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2019 2:22 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, Tavares de Resendes, Sao Pedro,Vila 
do Porto, Santa Maria

His first "solteiro" is so different than his 2nd "solteiro." I would have 
never guessed.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 12:26 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Hi Sam,

Another tough one...

O individuo a que se refere este registo de nome
Manuel Tavares de Resendes, no estado de solteiro, con-
traiu casamento neste concelho aos vinte e um
de Maio do ano mil novecentos vinte e sete com
Adelina(?) de Jesus Sousa de vinte e um anos, solteira,
filha de José de Sousa d Rego e Maria José, naturais 
de N S Purificação Registo(?) nº9 (?)
Vila do Porto
25 de Julho 1959

Cheri Mello  escreveu no dia domingo, 8/09/2019 à(s) 19:02:
I don't read Manuel's status as married. He can't be married if he's getting 
married. It doesn't say single and it doesn't look like widowed. Someone else 
will have to get that word.

I'm reading that the date in the text is 21 May 1000 900 20 and 7. Not the 
current year.

Bride is Ana de Jesus something, 20 and 1 years, single, daughter of Jose de 
Something do Rego and Maria (would be my guess) Jose, natives of the referenced 
parish? Scribe gets crazy at the bottom.

We need more help on this!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Sep 8, 2019 at 10:14 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P44.html
 
Top left. I can make out that Manoel Tavares de Resendes marries in this 
concelho on the 21st of May of the current year (1939?) somebody de Jesus 
something, something, daughter of Jose de something Rego and Maria Jose ?? 
natural de parish of Vila do Porto?
 
Can anyone confirm and fill in the blanks for me?
 
Thank you,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Side note, Tavares de Resendes, Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-08 Thread 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P44.html

Top left. I can make out that Manoel Tavares de Resendes marries in this 
concelho on the 21st of May of the current year (1939?) somebody de Jesus 
something, something, daughter of Jose de something Rego and Maria Jose ?? 
natural de parish of Vila do Porto?

Can anyone confirm and fill in the blanks for me?

Thank you,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

2019-09-07 Thread 'Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy

Just checked date for “The Golden State” and was rather shocked to be honest. 
It said it became official in 1968. I’m a native Californian and would have 
sworn it was earlier than that. Of course, it could have been commonly used 
though not official prior to 1968. Requires more research. 

Gayle

> On Sep 7, 2019, at 2:57 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> California is known as "The Golden State" and Hawaii is "The Aloha State," 
> but I don't know those terms were in use in 1905ish. Hawaii may have had 
> another name, but I don't think it was the "Golden State" (since California 
> had the gold rush in the mid-1800s). I'll have to ask Kalani what he knows 
> about the history of Hawaii's slogans. Who knows, things evolve over time!
> Cheri MelloT
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 2:42 PM Margaret Vicente  
>> wrote:
>> Thanks, Cheri and Angela for the heads up.  I was wondering why it was 
>> coming to me so easy…I read the opposite record.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> As far as I can tell, the place is out of the Country.  I’m going to write 
>> what I see and then translate to I understand it to mean:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheri, the area you highlighted:  no lugar de ane nalu na Cidade no estado 
>> de ourado
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> My interpretation: in the Ananalu /Honolulu place, city of the Golden State. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Cheri Mello
>> Sent: September 7, 2019 5:12 PM
>> To: Azores Genealogy
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I still see "lugar da .... da cidade"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 1:14 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Margaret;  Thank you.  I appreciate your help.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Margaret Vicente
>> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2019 1:10 PM
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] 1900's Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Faleceu na freguesia de São Pedro.  He passed away in Vila do Porto Parish 
>> of São Pedro.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Margaret
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
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