[AZORES-Genealogy] Help deciphering Inventário...

[Scott Edward Anderson]

Olá amigos e amigas, 

I have a few pages from an Inventário for my 4th great-grandmother that I need 
some help with; specifically, deciphering some of the language around her house 
and quinta in Fajã de Cima, São Miguel.

However, the Archive said expressly not to post the Inventários on the Internet 
or social media. So, I’m wondering whether someone here could take a look at 
these few pages and let me know what you think? I will email it to you 
privately, if you provide an email address.

Obrigado,

Scott

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I thought I acknowledged the error in my earlier comments. How it got there 
I don't recall. I just made some other corrections taken from the Ribeira 
Quente casamentos index.

Bottom line, check your files against the records if you want to be 
accurate.

JR 

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 9:10:42 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca 
> Rosa de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his 
> genealogy program because he wrote this:
> [image: image.png]
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, I have that Virginia linked to Joao Ignacio de Lima and Francisca Rosa
de Mello. But JR has her linked wrong. I think he made a typo in his
genealogy program because he wrote this:
[image: image.png]

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

Cheri,


Virginia is Maria Lima (Antonio's cousin and wife)'s sister:  Maria and 
Virginia are daughters of Joao Lima and Francesco Rose de Mello (herself, 
the daughter of Manoel de Mello Barboza and Maria Julia Linhares.   Antonio 
and Maira share the same great grandfather, Francisco de Mello Barboza and 
Anna Esperito.Santa.  (which has created some convolutions on Ancestry with 
me tree!)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

Elaine 

On Tuesday, January 14, 2020 at 1:45:39 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> JR, Are you sure on that Virginia born on 23 Mar 1893 to Antonio de Mello 
> Barboza and Claudina de Jesus? She's not born quite 9 months after the 
> previous child (meaning Antonio and Claudina did the deed right after Rosa 
> was born...After hours of labor and giving birth her husband wanted 
> that?!?!?) I pulled this record. It's the right date, but it's not matching:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html
>
> Can you look? I think you got a case of fancy fingers there :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the 
>> passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio 
>> and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905 
>> directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco 
>> (or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.
>>
>> Elaine 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

JR, Are you sure on that Virginia born on 23 Mar 1893 to Antonio de Mello
Barboza and Claudina de Jesus? She's not born quite 9 months after the
previous child (meaning Antonio and Claudina did the deed right after Rosa
was born...After hours of labor and giving birth her husband wanted
that?!?!?) I pulled this record. It's the right date, but it's not matching:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

Can you look? I think you got a case of fancy fingers there :)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 5:53 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the
> passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio
> and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905
> directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco
> (or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

I'm so glad you found him, JR - I'll have to see if I can find him in the 
passports now and track him to New Bedford that way.  The address Antonio 
and Claudina listed for Francisco in 1902 didn't seem to exist in the 1905 
directory, so I'm going to have to see if I can figure out which Francisco 
(or Frank) Silva is the right one here in the States.

Elaine 

>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Of course the baptism date for Francisco should be 1859.

JR

On Sunday, January 12, 2020 at 2:18:48 PM UTC-5, JR wrote:
>
> Oh but there is. The pattern of births for this couple is more unusual 
> than most. Here is Francisco, who must have went on to marry because there 
> is certificate for him in 1895. I will send the rest to your email address.
>
> JR
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P95.html
>
> Francisco, born- March 27 1859, bap- April 3- 1858, filho de Joao da Silva 
> and Maria Roza, nats Ribeira Quente, Francisco Goncalo and Claudina Roza 
> filhos familias de Jose Goncalo deste lugar.
> certified, sept 3- 1895
>
> On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:32:45 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> hi Cheri,
>>>
>>
>>I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
>> directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
>> Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
>> brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
>> mystery there. 
>>
>> Thanks for the info.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Oh but there is. The pattern of births for this couple is more unusual than 
most. Here is Francisco, who must have went on to marry because there is 
certificate for him in 1895. I will send the rest to your email address.

JR

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1849-1859_item1/P95.html

Francisco, born- March 27 1859, bap- April 3- 1858, filho de Joao da Silva 
and Maria Roza, nats Ribeira Quente, Francisco Goncalo and Claudina Roza 
filhos familias de Jose Goncalo deste lugar.
certified, sept 3- 1895

On Saturday, January 11, 2020 at 11:32:45 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
> hi Cheri,
>>
>
>I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
> directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
> Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
> brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
> mystery there. 
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

>
> hi Cheri,
>

   I saw that marriages and deaths were listed in the back of the 
directory, so I'll take a closer look.  Interesting on the siblings for 
Claudina - interesting that there isn't a Francisco - or he really wasn't a 
brother, and they just said that when they got to New York.  Definitely a 
mystery there. 

Thanks for the info.

Elaine

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Thanks JR, but I'm not related to Claudina. Shirley might want them though.
Cheri Mello
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On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 11:05 AM JR  wrote:

> I have a couple more siblings for Claudina da Silva. Do you want me to
> send them?
>
> JR
>
> On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>>
>> It's always the computer's fault!
>>
>> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
>> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
>> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
>> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
>> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
>> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
>> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
>> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I have a couple more siblings for Claudina da Silva. Do you want me to send 
them? 

JR

On Thursday, January 9, 2020 at 9:25:17 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
> It's always the computer's fault!
>
> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they 
> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much 
> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records 
> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I 
> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St 
> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that 
> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But 
> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>
> Elaine 
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine,

I don't even have Claudina's date of birth. I have her dad b. 28 Jan 1832
(bapt 5 Feb) in RQ. I have her mom born as c. 1817. Maybe that
approximation came from the marriage?

I have only 2 siblings for Claudina.
1) Maria (marries as Maria de Jesus Silva) b. 26 Dec 1855 RQ and bapt on
the 30th. She married 7 Feb 1877 in RQ to Joao de Sousa. They had a Maria
b. 25 May 1879 in RQ and baptized 2 June.
2) Pulqueira (spelled as Pulcheria), b. 5 May 1871 RQ and bapt. on the 9th.

That's all that I have on the siblings. I'm not related on this line. I
think the work was Shirley Allegre's.
Hope this helps, Cheri
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:42 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Elaine M,
>
> The 1905 (and a few years before and after) New Bedford City Directories
> has who married the year before and who owns cars. Maybe something else.
> It's in the back of the directory.
>
> I'll check later and see if I have anything on Claudina Silva. I don't
> think so, as I think I'm related to her husband's line (which is how I
> connect to you way back).
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:25 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>> It's always the computer's fault!
>>
>> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
>> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
>> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
>> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
>> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
>> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
>> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
>> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine M,

The 1905 (and a few years before and after) New Bedford City Directories
has who married the year before and who owns cars. Maybe something else.
It's in the back of the directory.

I'll check later and see if I have anything on Claudina Silva. I don't
think so, as I think I'm related to her husband's line (which is how I
connect to you way back).
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 6:25 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> It's always the computer's fault!
>
> Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they
> immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much
> else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records
> and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I
> was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St
> trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that
> street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But
> the help you've gen so far has been great.
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

It's always the computer's fault!

Do you have any record of Claudina Silva's siblings?  I know they 
immigrated to stay with her brother Francisco, but I haven't found out much 
else other than that.  I may have to just scanning all of the birth records 
and see who else I can find, but it can get hard o the eyes.   Last night I 
was looking through the New Bedford directory of 1905 for S. Front St 
trying to find him and it looks like every Silva and De Mello lived on that 
street at the time.  So at the moment, it's a needle in a haystack.  But 
the help you've gen so far has been great.

Elaine 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

I've corrected that, thanks. Amusingly my my program said do you want to 
merge these individuals...what, what do you mean... shut up computer, I am 
the boss and never make mistakes;)

JR

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 7:43:05 PM UTC-5, Elaine Mello wrote:
>
>
>
> JR - Virginia is Maria Lima (Antonio's cousin and wife)'s sister:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Elaine,

I did find one record but JR posted it this morning and he had 2 more kids.

The first Manuel died before the 2nd was born.  Yes, a family can have 2
(or more) Marias all alive. Typically, the oldest went by Maria and the
other(s) went by their middle (usually religious) name.

The children who did not come over on the 1902 emigration must have died
before that emigration registration date.

You'll have to check for Antonio and Claudina under Silva, as you mentioned.

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:22 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> Thank you both - I find it strange that there are two Manuels and two
> Marias, unless the older ones died before the second one was born.
> Virginia and Francisco are new ones to me as well.  Looking at the
> emigration documents, it was the older Maria who came over in 1902 and the
> second Manoel, looking at their ages on the Ellis Island documentation.  It
> may be that Francisco died on the trip over.  I don't see an obituary for
> him in Ribeira Quente, but if they were waiting to get on a boat, it could
> have been anywhere if it had indeed happened.
>
> This is great information!
>
> Elaine
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

JR - Virginia is Maria Lima (Antonio's cousin and wife)'s sister:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1890-1899_item1/P79.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

Thank you both - I find it strange that there are two Manuels and two 
Marias, unless the older ones died before the second one was born.  
Virginia and Francisco are new ones to me as well.  Looking at the 
emigration documents, it was the older Maria who came over in 1902 and the 
second Manuel, looking at their ages on the Ellis Island documentation.  It 
may be that Francisco died on the trip over. - he definitely left with them 
according to that link  I guess I'll never know that story.Perhaps the 
older Manuel stayed behind.  I'll have to do some more digging to see what 
I can find.  

I haven't been able to fine Antonio or Claudina's deaths in the U.S., so I 
wonder if they went back at some point.  Though given the way they all 
changed their names in the census, it might just be under Silva, which they 
used  as well.

This is great information!  Thank you so much!

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

Thank you both - I find it strange that there are two Manuels and two 
Marias, unless the older ones died before the second one was born.  
Virginia and Francisco are new ones to me as well.  Looking at the 
emigration documents, it was the older Maria who came over in 1902 and the 
second Manoel, looking at their ages on the Ellis Island documentation.  It 
may be that Francisco died on the trip over.  I don't see an obituary for 
him in Ribeira Quente, but if they were waiting to get on a boat, it could 
have been anywhere if it had indeed happened.  

This is great information!

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[JR]

Here is what I have:

JR

 

*Descendants of Antonio de Melo Barbosa*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  ANTONIO DE MELO BARBOSA was born Abt. 1858 in Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.  He married CLAUDINA DE JESUS DA SILVA 16 Jul 1884 in Sao Paulo de 
Ribeira Quente, daughter of JOAO SILVA and MARIA.  She was born Abt. 1863 
in Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.



Children of ANTONIO MELO BARBOSA and CLAUDINA SILVA are:

  i.MANUEL8, b. 25 Apr 1885, Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.

  ii.MARIA, b. 17 Nov 1886, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

2.  iii.ANTONIO DE MELO, b. 26 Feb 1889, Sao Paulo de 
Ribeira Quente; d. 11 May 1958, New Bedford, MA.

 iv.JOSE, b. 09 Mar 1891, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 v.ROSA, b. 30 Jun 1892, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 vi.VIRGINIA, b. 23 Mar 1893, Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.

vii.MANUEL, b. 03 Dec 1894, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

   viii.MARIA, b. 11 Dec 1897, Sao Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 ix.JOAO DE MELO OR JOHN DE MELLO, b. 30 May 1900, Sao 
Paulo de Ribeira Quente.

 x.FRANCISCO, b. 10 Feb 1902, Sao Paulo de Ribeira 
Quente.

 

On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:37:34 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> They registered to leave 3 April 1902. Unless they went twice. The link I 
> gave you is 1902.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:34 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> thanks, Cheri -
>>
>> I looked at the immigration papers from Ellis Island and he is listed as 
>> having no years -it looks like whomever was writing down the information 
>> got the lines out of sync because it says laborer off to the right and I 
>> thought it was a different person, but it does look like he came over with 
>> the family in 1901.  Interesting find!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:21:03 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
>>> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
>>> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>>>
>>> I'll see if I have him in my program.
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira 
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>>
 I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather 
 was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in 
 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in 
 the 
 tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who 
 was previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm 
 that I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html

 Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born 
 May 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the 
 date in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the 
 relatives match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right 
 Joao.  If anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly 
 appreciate it.

 I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the 
 priest had good penmanship for a change!  

 Thanks in advance!

 Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

They registered to leave 3 April 1902. Unless they went twice. The link I
gave you is 1902.
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:34 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:

> thanks, Cheri -
>
> I looked at the immigration papers from Ellis Island and he is listed as
> having no years -it looks like whomever was writing down the information
> got the lines out of sync because it says laborer off to the right and I
> thought it was a different person, but it does look like he came over with
> the family in 1901.  Interesting find!
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:21:03 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
>> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>>
>> I'll see if I have him in my program.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather
>>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in
>>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the
>>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who
>>> was previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm
>>> that I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>>
>>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born
>>> May 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the
>>> date in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the
>>> relatives match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right
>>> Joao.  If anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly
>>> appreciate it.
>>>
>>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest
>>> had good penmanship for a change!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

thanks, Cheri -

I looked at the immigration papers from Ellis Island and he is listed as 
having no years -it looks like whomever was writing down the information 
got the lines out of sync because it says laborer off to the right and I 
thought it was a different person, but it does look like he came over with 
the family in 1901.  Interesting find!


On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:21:03 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>
> I'll see if I have him in my program.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  > wrote:
>
>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather 
>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in 
>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the 
>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who was 
>> previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm that 
>> I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>
>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born May 
>> 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the date 
>> in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the relatives 
>> match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right Joao.  If 
>> anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest 
>> had good penmanship for a change!  
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Elaine 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

Elaine,

I have your grandfather as one of 8 (that I know about).
[image: image.png]

Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:27 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> OK, I had him. I have the emigration out of the Azores too:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902_item1/P113.html
>
> Middle of the page, passport # 534
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:20 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
>> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>>
>> I'll see if I have him in my program.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather
>>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in
>>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the
>>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who
>>> was previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm
>>> that I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>>
>>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born
>>> May 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the
>>> date in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the
>>> relatives match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right
>>> Joao.  If anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly
>>> appreciate it.
>>>
>>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest
>>> had good penmanship for a change!
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Elaine
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Cheri Mello]

OK, I had him. I have the emigration out of the Azores too:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1900-1902_item1/P113.html

Middle of the page, passport # 534
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:20 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Baptized 4 Jun 1900
> Born 9 pm on the 30 of May.
>
> I'll see if I have him in my program.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 6:11 PM Elaine Mello  wrote:
>
>> I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather
>> was a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in
>> 1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the
>> tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who was
>> previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm that
>> I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html
>>
>> Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born May
>> 31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the date
>> in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the relatives
>> match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right Joao.  If
>> anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>
>> I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest
>> had good penmanship for a change!
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Elaine
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation, please!

[Elaine Mello]

I just got a DNA link to a second cousin on Ancestry whose grandfather was 
a John De Mello Barboza born in 1900 who immigrated to New Bedford in 
1901.  I found the naturalization form for this Joao, and in looking in the 
tembo.pt records, I think I've found a sibling to my grandfather who was 
previously unknown to me.   Which brings me to the request to confirm that 
I'm reading this right (lefthand side of the page, #29.)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-B-1900-1905_item1/P14.html

Joao (changed to John de Mello on the naturalization papers) was born May 
31, 1900 according to his declaration.  I can't make out whether the date 
in the baptismal record is correct or not, but the rest of the relatives 
match the ancestry line, so I do think that I have the right Joao.  If 
anyone can confirm the dates and information, I would greatly appreciate it.

I'm definitely out of practice in reading these, but at least the priest 
had good penmanship for a change!  

Thanks in advance!

Elaine 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with grandfather Boaventura Ignacio do Valle

[Becky Mendonca]

Hi Cheri,

Ok, I figured that's what I need do. You know how it goes... down another
rabbit hole x10...

Thanks!
Becky


On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 1:32 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Becky,
>
> You can't tell from the baptism. You'll have to pull the parents' marriage
> to see if they are related and needed a dispensation. The grandfathers
> could be the same person or even cousins with the same name. Or the priest
> had too much eggnog. LOL
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 12:25 PM Becky Mendonca 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892_item1/P273.html
>>
>>
>> No. 43
>> Are the grandfathers Boaventura Ignacio doValle 2 different people, or
>> are they 1 in the same?
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help with grandfather Boaventura Ignacio do Valle

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Becky,

You can't tell from the baptism. You'll have to pull the parents' marriage
to see if they are related and needed a dispensation. The grandfathers
could be the same person or even cousins with the same name. Or the priest
had too much eggnog. LOL
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 12:25 PM Becky Mendonca  wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1870-1892_item1/P273.html
>
>
> No. 43
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[AZORES-Genealogy] help with grandfather Boaventura Ignacio do Valle

[Becky Mendonca]

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No. 43
Are the grandfathers Boaventura Ignacio doValle 2 different people, or are
they 1 in the same?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri and Angela;  Thank you both! I sure would be have a lot less information 
were it not for both of you and so many other helping me.  It is much 
appreciated!

Side note Sam,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2019 6:34 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

I agree with what Angela said. I'm pretty sure her ? are correct as well.

Yes, Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho is in Almagreira.

2nd note: ...16 of the month and year. So he died on 16 Aug. 1975. 

Cheri Mello
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On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 4:28 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:
Hi Sam,

I think it says: 

«O individuo a que se refere este registo de nome Antonio Cabral no modo de 
solteiro, contraiu casamento com Maria de Chaves Nunes(?), de dezanove anos, 
solteira, natural da freguesia de Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho (Almagreira?), 
filha de José Nunes(?) e Luiza Izabel de Chaves. 
Vila do Porto, 23 Abril 1931»

«nº 2: o casamento averbado em 1, foi dissolvido por óbito do conjugue marido 
em 16 do mês (...?). Em 17 Agosto de 1975.»

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia sábado, 7/12/2019 à(s) 23:57:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P97.html
 
Right side.  I can read the main document but; need a little help with the side 
note.  I see that Antonio Cabral married Maria? de ??  who was 19 years old and 
native of the parish of Sao Pedro, daughter of Jose ? and his wife, Izabel de 
Chaves.  Do I have that right and can anyone fill in the question marks please?
 
2nd note:  The marriage was dissolved by the death of Maria?? On 16th of August 
1975.  Can’t tell if that says “marido” or “marida”.  Was it Antonio or Maria 
that died?
 
Thanks you for your help with this,
 
Sidenote Sam  
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Cheri Mello]

I agree with what Angela said. I'm pretty sure her ? are correct as well.

Yes, Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho is in Almagreira.

2nd note: ...16 of the month and year. So he died on 16 Aug. 1975.

Cheri Mello
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On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 4:28 PM Ângela Loura  wrote:

> Hi Sam,
>
> I think it says:
>
> «O individuo a que se refere este registo de nome Antonio Cabral no modo
> de solteiro, contraiu casamento com Maria de Chaves Nunes(?), de dezanove
> anos, solteira, natural da freguesia de Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho
> (Almagreira?), filha de José Nunes(?) e Luiza Izabel de Chaves.
> Vila do Porto, 23 Abril 1931»
>
> «nº 2: o casamento averbado em 1, foi dissolvido por óbito do conjugue
> marido em 16 do mês (...?). Em 17 Agosto de 1975.»
>
> 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
> no dia sábado, 7/12/2019 à(s) 23:57:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P97.html
>>
>>
>>
>> Right side.  I can read the main document but; need a little help with
>> the side note.  I see that Antonio Cabral married Maria? de ??  who was 19
>> years old and native of the parish of Sao Pedro, daughter of Jose ? and his
>> wife, Izabel de Chaves.  Do I have that right and can anyone fill in the
>> question marks please?
>>
>>
>>
>> 2nd note:  The marriage was dissolved by the death of Maria?? On 16th of
>> August 1975.  Can’t tell if that says “marido” or “marida”.  Was it Antonio
>> or Maria that died?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks you for your help with this,
>>
>>
>>
>> Sidenote Sam  
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

I think it says:

«O individuo a que se refere este registo de nome Antonio Cabral no modo de
solteiro, contraiu casamento com Maria de Chaves Nunes(?), de dezanove
anos, solteira, natural da freguesia de Nossa Senhora do Bom Despacho
(Almagreira?), filha de José Nunes(?) e Luiza Izabel de Chaves.
Vila do Porto, 23 Abril 1931»

«nº 2: o casamento averbado em 1, foi dissolvido por óbito do conjugue
marido em 16 do mês (...?). Em 17 Agosto de 1975.»

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia sábado, 7/12/2019 à(s) 23:57:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P97.html
>
>
>
> Right side.  I can read the main document but; need a little help with the
> side note.  I see that Antonio Cabral married Maria? de ??  who was 19
> years old and native of the parish of Sao Pedro, daughter of Jose ? and his
> wife, Izabel de Chaves.  Do I have that right and can anyone fill in the
> question marks please?
>
>
>
> 2nd note:  The marriage was dissolved by the death of Maria?? On 16th of
> August 1975.  Can’t tell if that says “marido” or “marida”.  Was it Antonio
> or Maria that died?
>
>
>
> Thanks you for your help with this,
>
>
>
> Sidenote Sam  
>
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with sidenote, Santa Maria, Sao Pedro

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1900-1906_item1/P97.html

Right side.  I can read the main document but; need a little help with the side 
note.  I see that Antonio Cabral married Maria? de ??  who was 19 years old and 
native of the parish of Sao Pedro, daughter of Jose ? and his wife, Izabel de 
Chaves.  Do I have that right and can anyone fill in the question marks please?

2nd note:  The marriage was dissolved by the death of Maria?? On 16th of August 
1975.  Can’t tell if that says “marido” or “marida”.  Was it Antonio or Maria 
that died?

Thanks you for your help with this,

Sidenote Sam  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

 Some of your lines go back to the Camelos and therefore to Afonso III.
John

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019, 10:15:04 PM EST, Luis Arruda 
 wrote:  
 
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
Hello everyone,I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal 
record contains.I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the 
legitimate son of Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha. It appears he 
was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the 13th ( or is 3rd ) of 
March in the same year.
I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De Souza 
Coelho and Antonia  De?. ( is that de Jesus?).His maternal grandparents are 
Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) I am unable to decipher her first or 
last name.
Thanking everyone in advance.Luis ArrudaHamilton, ON



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

[JR]

13th of March; note the e at end of treze. Note the father is from Bretanha 
and the mother, Antonia Jacintha is from Ginetes. Godfather is o tio 
(uncle), Joao Pavao e sua mulher Gertrudes de Jesus. So Joao Pavao is the 
brother of Antonia Jacinta.

JR

On Wednesday, November 20, 2019 at 10:46:35 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> There's 3 Manuels on that page. I hope you are looking at the left side, 
> 3rd entry.
>
> "de Jesus" is the paternal grandmother. The maternal is Francisca de Jesus.
>
> Baptized on the 13th.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:15 PM Luis Arruda  > wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
>> Hello everyone,
>> I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal record 
>> contains.
>> I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the legitimate son 
>> of Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha. 
>> It appears he was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the 
>> 13th ( or is 3rd ) of March in the same year.
>>
>> I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De 
>> Souza Coelho and Antonia  De?. ( is that de Jesus?).
>> His maternal grandparents are Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) 
>> I am unable to decipher her first or last name.
>>
>> Thanking everyone in advance.
>> Luis Arruda
>> Hamilton, ON
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

[Cheri Mello]

There's 3 Manuels on that page. I hope you are looking at the left side,
3rd entry.

"de Jesus" is the paternal grandmother. The maternal is Francisca de Jesus.

Baptized on the 13th.
Cheri Mello
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On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 7:15 PM Luis Arruda  wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
> Hello everyone,
> I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal record
> contains.
> I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the legitimate son
> of Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha.
> It appears he was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the
> 13th ( or is 3rd ) of March in the same year.
>
> I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De
> Souza Coelho and Antonia  De?. ( is that de Jesus?).
> His maternal grandparents are Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) I
> am unable to decipher her first or last name.
>
> Thanking everyone in advance.
> Luis Arruda
> Hamilton, ON
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help please with 1858 Baptismal Record

[Luis Arruda]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1853-1860_item1/P92.html
Hello everyone,
I am looking for assistance in deciphering what this baptismal record 
contains.
I can deduce that Manuel, (my great grandfather ) was the legitimate son of 
Manuel de Souza Coelho and Antonio Jacintha. 
It appears he was born on the 26th of February 1858 and baptized on the 
13th ( or is 3rd ) of March in the same year.

I need help with Manuel's paternal grandparents - are they Mathias De Souza 
Coelho and Antonia  De?. ( is that de Jesus?).
His maternal grandparents are Joao Pavao and ( who is the grandmother? ) I 
am unable to decipher her first or last name.

Thanking everyone in advance.
Luis Arruda
Hamilton, ON


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Reading Name on Marriage

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

It looks like it is a word meaning as above I would have to look at more of the 
record to understand what it means exactly.

 

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Lee, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of JML
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 5:54 AM
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Reading Name on Marriage

 

Hi All,

 

I don't understand the word before the groom's name:

 

 filho ___ Amaro Machado 
Barcellos

any ideas?

 

Thanks so much.

 

Jessica

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Reading Name on Marriage

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Jessica,

It's probably "de" for "of." I didn't open it.

Can you please post the URL from the website. You are *sure* your image is
going to work on a PC, Mac, Linux, Android platforms, Apple platforms,
mobile platforms, people whose eyes are in their 30s, 50s, 80s, etc, on the
old IE, the newer Edge, Firefox, Chrome, Safari, etc? If you are not sure
that your image can reach 100% of those things (and hence 100% of the
reading audience), then post the URL as we can all adjust our browsers to
read the Internet. And it will save you a lot of time. Just copy and paste
the URL and tell us where to look :)
Sincerely,
Cheri Mello
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> Hi All,
>
> I don't understand the word before the groom's name:
>
>  filho ___ Amaro
> Machado Barcellos
> any ideas?
>
> Thanks so much.
>
> Jessica
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Marriage

[Rene Downey]

Can someone help me read this marriage certificate?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1772-1810/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-C-1772-1810_item1/P61.html

Date March 1783?

Groom Antonio de Pimentel
Bride:  I have no idea what her name is?  It is not one I have seen 
before?  last name de Medeiros

Paternal: Jose de A??? and Jacinta da Rosa?  I can even tell.

Maternal:  Antonio de Medeiros deceased and Jacinta de F  

Any information from this would be appreicated!  I have improved in 
reading, but then I come across harder ones and there are many names on her 
that I think are referencing the priests.


Thanks so much!
Rene

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with DOB and date format of death.

[Luis Arruda]

Thank you Cheri M.
Luis A.

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 3:55 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Luis A,
> You are correct on the birth and baptism dates.
>
> I believe only Americans write dates backwards. The rest of the world (and
> genealogical format) is from the smallest unit to the largest, so
> Day-Month-Year.
> Cheri
>
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 12:50 PM Luis Arruda  wrote:
>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P93.html
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>> Would someone be able to decipher the date of birth for my paternal
>> grandfather Antonio?
>> I looked at it and it appears to be the 20th of March for birthday and
>> 30th for his baptism. Does anyone agree/support this interpretation?
>> He is the one at the bottom left "No. 25 Antonio " and continues to the
>> top left of the next page.
>> Further, does 6-4-1963 interpret to 6th of April or 4th of June (his date
>> of death on the left margin).
>> Thanking everyone in advance
>> Luis Arruda
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with DOB and date format of death.

[Cheri Mello]

Luis A,
You are correct on the birth and baptism dates.

I believe only Americans write dates backwards. The rest of the world (and
genealogical format) is from the smallest unit to the largest, so
Day-Month-Year.
Cheri

On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 12:50 PM Luis Arruda  wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P93.html
>
> Hello everyone,
> Would someone be able to decipher the date of birth for my paternal
> grandfather Antonio?
> I looked at it and it appears to be the 20th of March for birthday and
> 30th for his baptism. Does anyone agree/support this interpretation?
> He is the one at the bottom left "No. 25 Antonio " and continues to the
> top left of the next page.
> Further, does 6-4-1963 interpret to 6th of April or 4th of June (his date
> of death on the left margin).
> Thanking everyone in advance
> Luis Arruda
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with DOB and date format of death.

[Luis Arruda]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PD-AJUDABRETANHA-B-1890-1899_item1/P93.html

Hello everyone,
Would someone be able to decipher the date of birth for my paternal 
grandfather Antonio?
I looked at it and it appears to be the 20th of March for birthday and 30th 
for his baptism. Does anyone agree/support this interpretation?
He is the one at the bottom left "No. 25 Antonio " and continues to the top 
left of the next page. 
Further, does 6-4-1963 interpret to 6th of April or 4th of June (his date 
of death on the left margin). 
Thanking everyone in advance
Luis Arruda

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

[Margaret Vicente]

No problem.  As an fyi, I am related to the couples in your search and have 
them in my tree.  Also, Manuel de Melo Afonso and Bernarda Augusta are listed 
in the Genealogies of Rodrigo Rodrigues, Capitulo 366 Unico, N.o 5 and Capitulo 
19.

I can send you what I have, pm me if you’re interested.


From: R Downey
Sent: September 20, 2019 11:59 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

Thank you Margaret!  Would never have figured out the margins!

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 1:51 AM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Child:  Maria
Baptized: Nov 10 1901
Birth date: Nov 7 1901 at 9 o’clock
Parents and grandparents you got it.
Margin
# 1  Got married canonically with Jose Bernardo Sousa, 24 years old, 
natural of the Council of Nordeste, of this island of S. Miguel, son of Manuel 
Bernado de Sousa and of Maria Raposo de Mendonca, in New Bedford Massachusetts 
of North America on the 5th of September of 1926.  Marriage record # 158 of 
1967 Chamber of Foreign Affairs.  Bulletin # 394 – xx # 193.  On 30th of May of 
1967
# 2  The married endorsed under # 1 was dissolved by the obit of husband on 
the 28th of January 1973.   Bulletin # 14 pack # 61P On the 22nd of February of 
1974.
# 3   Passed away in the parish of Achada, Council of Nordeste on the 4th 
of January of 1978.  Bulletin # 3 OM.  On January 9th of 1978.
 
This is what I get, hope it helps.
 
Margaret 
 
 
From: R Downey
Sent: September 20, 2019 11:58 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records
 
If I could have help I would appreciate it.  Just when I feel I am getting 
better the records get harder to read as they get older.  This one though is 
written clear and I think I can make out most of it, but am not confident in 
the names and what the relation is to the child (get confused with the priest 
and his parents being mentioned) so any help would be appreciated.  This is my 
husbands great grandparents and the names are similar so I don't trust myself.  
I have another to post separate.  Thanks for any and all help.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905_item1/P104.html
 
This first record I believe says:
 
Child:  Maria Carreiro 
 
Born: 11/1/1900
 
Parents:  Joao Carreiro de Medeiros and Maria Julia de Mello farmers
 
Maternal Grandparents:  Augustinho Carreiro de Medeiros and Theresa de Jesus
 
Paternal Grandparents:  Manuel de Mello Affonso and Bernarda Agusta de Mello
 
Godparents:  Jose Mello Cardosa and Maria Ricarda de Mello
 
The margin references Bernardo Sousa and Bernarda Correia, but besides the 
dates I cannot make out anything else.  So any input on that would be 
appreicated!
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

[R Downey]

Thank you Margaret!  Would never have figured out the margins!

On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 1:51 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Child:  Maria
>
> Baptized: Nov 10 1901
>
> Birth date: Nov 7 1901 at 9 o’clock
>
> Parents and grandparents you got it.
>
> Margin
>
> # 1  Got married canonically with Jose Bernardo Sousa, 24 years old,
> natural of the Council of Nordeste, of this island of S. Miguel, son of
> Manuel Bernado de Sousa and of Maria Raposo de Mendonca, in New Bedford
> Massachusetts of North America on the 5th of September of 1926.  Marriage
> record # 158 of 1967 Chamber of Foreign Affairs.  Bulletin # 394 – xx #
> 193.  On 30th of May of 1967
>
> # 2  The married endorsed under # 1 was dissolved by the obit of
> husband on the 28th of January 1973.   Bulletin # 14 pack # 61P On the 22
> nd of February of 1974.
>
> # 3   Passed away in the parish of Achada, Council of Nordeste on the 4
> th of January of 1978.  Bulletin # 3 OM.  On January 9th of 1978.
>
>
>
> This is what I get, hope it helps.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *R Downey 
> *Sent: *September 20, 2019 11:58 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records
>
>
>
> If I could have help I would appreciate it.  Just when I feel I am getting
> better the records get harder to read as they get older.  This one though
> is written clear and I think I can make out most of it, but am not
> confident in the names and what the relation is to the child (get confused
> with the priest and his parents being mentioned) so any help would be
> appreciated.  This is my husbands great grandparents and the names are
> similar so I don't trust myself.  I have another to post separate.  Thanks
> for any and all help.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905_item1/P104.html
>
>
>
> This first record I believe says:
>
>
>
> Child:  Maria Carreiro
>
>
>
> Born: 11/1/1900
>
>
>
> Parents:  Joao Carreiro de Medeiros and Maria Julia de Mello farmers
>
>
>
> Maternal Grandparents:  Augustinho Carreiro de Medeiros and Theresa de
> Jesus
>
>
>
> Paternal Grandparents:  Manuel de Mello Affonso and Bernarda Agusta de
> Mello
>
>
>
> Godparents:  Jose Mello Cardosa and Maria Ricarda de Mello
>
>
>
> The margin references Bernardo Sousa and Bernarda Correia, but besides the
> dates I cannot make out anything else.  So any input on that would be
> appreicated!
>
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

[Margaret Vicente]

Child:  Maria
Baptized: Nov 10 1901
Birth date: Nov 7 1901 at 9 o’clock
Parents and grandparents you got it.
Margin
# 1  Got married canonically with Jose Bernardo Sousa, 24 years old, 
natural of the Council of Nordeste, of this island of S. Miguel, son of Manuel 
Bernado de Sousa and of Maria Raposo de Mendonca, in New Bedford Massachusetts 
of North America on the 5th of September of 1926.  Marriage record # 158 of 
1967 Chamber of Foreign Affairs.  Bulletin # 394 – xx # 193.  On 30th of May of 
1967
# 2  The married endorsed under # 1 was dissolved by the obit of husband on 
the 28th of January 1973.   Bulletin # 14 pack # 61P On the 22nd of February of 
1974.
# 3 Passed away in the parish of Achada, Council of Nordeste on the 
4th of January of 1978.  Bulletin # 3 OM.  On January 9th of 1978.

This is what I get, hope it helps.

Margaret 


From: R Downey
Sent: September 20, 2019 11:58 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

If I could have help I would appreciate it.  Just when I feel I am getting 
better the records get harder to read as they get older.  This one though is 
written clear and I think I can make out most of it, but am not confident in 
the names and what the relation is to the child (get confused with the priest 
and his parents being mentioned) so any help would be appreciated.  This is my 
husbands great grandparents and the names are similar so I don't trust myself.  
I have another to post separate.  Thanks for any and all help.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905_item1/P104.html

This first record I believe says:

Child:  Maria Carreiro 

Born: 11/1/1900

Parents:  Joao Carreiro de Medeiros and Maria Julia de Mello farmers

Maternal Grandparents:  Augustinho Carreiro de Medeiros and Theresa de Jesus

Paternal Grandparents:  Manuel de Mello Affonso and Bernarda Agusta de Mello

Godparents:  Jose Mello Cardosa and Maria Ricarda de Mello

The margin references Bernardo Sousa and Bernarda Correia, but besides the 
dates I cannot make out anything else.  So any input on that would be 
appreicated!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading baptism records

[R Downey]

If I could have help I would appreciate it.  Just when I feel I am getting 
better the records get harder to read as they get older.  This one though 
is written clear and I think I can make out most of it, but am not 
confident in the names and what the relation is to the child (get confused 
with the priest and his parents being mentioned) so any help would be 
appreciated.  This is my husbands great grandparents and the names are 
similar so I don't trust myself.  I have another to post separate.  Thanks 
for any and all help.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905/SMG-RG-FENAISAJUDA-B-1900-1905_item1/P104.html

This first record I believe says:

Child:  Maria Carreiro 

Born: 11/1/1900

Parents:  Joao Carreiro de Medeiros and Maria Julia de Mello farmers

Maternal Grandparents:  Augustinho Carreiro de Medeiros and Theresa de Jesus

Paternal Grandparents:  Manuel de Mello Affonso and Bernarda Agusta de Mello

Godparents:  Jose Mello Cardosa and Maria Ricarda de Mello

The margin references Bernardo Sousa and Bernarda Correia, but besides the 
dates I cannot make out anything else.  So any input on that would be 
appreicated!

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather's name - SantaBarbara, Santa Maria

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Yes, of course it is!  I can easily see it now!  Have not been familiar with 
that name before!

Thanks guys,

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Ângela Loura
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To: azores@googlegroups.com; Sam (Camas, WA)
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather's name - 
SantaBarbara, Santa Maria

Hi Sam,

I think it's Boaventura José de Morais

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia domingo, 15/09/2019 à(s) 22:40:
Cheri and Angela;  You guys are helping me clean up a lot of records that had 
various things I couldn’t make out.  I really appreciate your help!
 
This one is a birth of Jacintha, top, left.  It is only the maternal 
grandfather’s name I can’t decipher.  Joao Ventura Jose de ?? Morais.  It all 
runs together there so, I’m not sure what is what.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P129.html
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather's name - Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

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Hi Sam,

I think it's Boaventura José de Morais

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 15/09/2019 à(s) 22:40:

> Cheri and Angela;  You guys are helping me clean up a lot of records that
> had various things I couldn’t make out.  I really appreciate your help!
>
>
>
> This one is a birth of Jacintha, top, left.  It is only the maternal
> grandfather’s name I can’t decipher.  Joao Ventura Jose de ?? Morais.  It
> all runs together there so, I’m not sure what is what.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P129.html
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with maternal grandfather's name - Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Cheri and Angela;  You guys are helping me clean up a lot of records that had 
various things I couldn’t make out.  I really appreciate your help!

This one is a birth of Jacintha, top, left.  It is only the maternal 
grandfather’s name I can’t decipher.  Joao Ventura Jose de ?? Morais.  It all 
runs together there so, I’m not sure what is what.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-B-1801-1822_item1/P129.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

[R Downey]

Just wanted to double check the 2nd time period phrase.  Meaning Marriage 
1st and then birth of kids being 2nd?  Parents are only listed on first 
marriage and not listed at birth or baptisms?  Only first marriage.  
Something I didn't know until last time.  But, just wanting to make sure 
that I know understand 2nd time period.  Thanks!  

On Thursday, September 12, 2019 at 2:40:20 AM UTC+9, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Florinda, daughter of Lourenço José de Sousa, native of Nossa Senhora da 
> Estrela of Ribeira Grande (so that's where you find his baptism), and Luiza 
> Francisca, native of this parish, Nossa Senhora do Rosario, place of 
> Achadinha, born on 16 Nov 1000 700 90 and 8 (spelled oyto instead of oito). 
> So Sam got 1798 right.  Then some church stuff. Then godfather: Mathias 
> Jose Jacinto, son of the family of Alfares  a...ndo Jose, widower, from 
> Nossa Senhora da Conceicao of the village of Ribeira Grande.
>
> You are in the 2nd time period. Grandparents are not given. You have to 
> find Lourenco and Luiza's marriage. Since they are from 2 different 
> freguesias, you look in the bride's first. So check Achadinha for the 
> marriage and then check Ribeira Grande - N.S. da Estrela church.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:39 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azo...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>> I see the 6th of November seventeen hundred and ninety something.  I 
>> think it’s eight but; not sure about that.  Baptized on the 21 say of the 
>> same month and year.  I see the same as you for the dad and the mom is 
>> Luisa Francisca.  Natural of this parish of Nossa Senhora de Rosario.  
>> Godfather was Matteus Jose Jacinto who was a son of the family of Ensign 
>> (can’t read the first name) Jose, widow.  The names at the bottom are the 
>> witnesses.  Hopefully, someone else can fill in the missing pieces.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *R Downey 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:05 AM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria 
>> Florinda
>>
>>  
>>
>> Can someone help me read this Baptism of Maria Florinda.
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799_item1/P145.html
>>
>>  
>>
>> What I think it says:  November 1799  I can't figure the date?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Father:  Lourenco Jose de Sousa
>>
>>  
>>
>> Mother:  Luisa (Luiza) _ - I cannot make out last name (Luisa Rosa - 
>> in a prior record)
>>
>>  
>>
>> Nordeste Sao Miguel
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am trying to find the parents of both Mother and Father if listed or 
>> more if possible.  Thanks so much for any help.  I am trying to get better 
>> at reading these.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Names I think I see and more, but can't tell who the grand parents are 
>> and who the priests and families of priest are?  It seems to go into quite 
>> a bit of detail of the Reverendo?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Padre:  Virginio son of 
>>
>> Manoel de Sousa Pimentel
>>
>>  
>>
>> Godfather?:
>>
>> Mathios Jose Jacindo
>>
>>  
>>
>> Son of
>>
>> Someone I cannot figure out?
>>
>>  
>>
>> and then
>>
>>  
>>
>> Clarencio Jose Joachimo Soares Dutra
>>
>>  
>>
>> Antonio de Medeiros
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

[R Downey]

Thanks all!  I think I found the marriage cert late yesterday so will try
to see if I can sort and might post!  Really appreciate the tips and help!
I get faster at it.  Took me a day to decipher in the past what only takes
1 hour now!  LOL!  I am hoping to get accurate and faster!  Really
appreciate your help!

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 3:14 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> There’s another detail, the margin note should be taken into account as
> her name seems to have a change or addition.
>
>
>
> Margin Note:  Maria nome q.e lh poz Sua Ex.a R.mo qdo. a Confirmou (
> Maria, name given/inputed by His Reverend Excellency (Bishop) when he
> Confirmed her)
>
>
>
> Margaret Vicente
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *September 11, 2019 1:40 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria
> Florinda
>
>
>
> Florinda, daughter of Lourenço José de Sousa, native of Nossa Senhora da
> Estrela of Ribeira Grande (so that's where you find his baptism), and Luiza
> Francisca, native of this parish, Nossa Senhora do Rosario, place of
> Achadinha, born on 16 Nov 1000 700 90 and 8 (spelled oyto instead of oito).
> So Sam got 1798 right.  Then some church stuff. Then godfather: Mathias
> Jose Jacinto, son of the family of Alfares  a...ndo Jose, widower, from
> Nossa Senhora da Conceicao of the village of Ribeira Grande.
>
>
>
> You are in the 2nd time period. Grandparents are not given. You have to
> find Lourenco and Luiza's marriage. Since they are from 2 different
> freguesias, you look in the bride's first. So check Achadinha for the
> marriage and then check Ribeira Grande - N.S. da Estrela church.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:39 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> I see the 6th of November seventeen hundred and ninety something.  I
> think it’s eight but; not sure about that.  Baptized on the 21 say of the
> same month and year.  I see the same as you for the dad and the mom is
> Luisa Francisca.  Natural of this parish of Nossa Senhora de Rosario.
> Godfather was Matteus Jose Jacinto who was a son of the family of Ensign
> (can’t read the first name) Jose, widow.  The names at the bottom are the
> witnesses.  Hopefully, someone else can fill in the missing pieces.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *R Downey 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:05 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria
> Florinda
>
>
>
> Can someone help me read this Baptism of Maria Florinda.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799_item1/P145.html
>
>
>
> What I think it says:  November 1799  I can't figure the date?
>
>
>
> Father:  Lourenco Jose de Sousa
>
>
>
> Mother:  Luisa (Luiza) _ - I cannot make out last name (Luisa Rosa -
> in a prior record)
>
>
>
> Nordeste Sao Miguel
>
>
>
> I am trying to find the parents of both Mother and Father if listed or
> more if possible.  Thanks so much for any help.  I am trying to get better
> at reading these.
>
>
>
> Names I think I see and more, but can't tell who the grand parents are and
> who the priests and families of priest are?  It seems to go into quite a
> bit of detail of the Reverendo?
>
>
>
> Padre:  Virginio son of
>
> Manoel de Sousa Pimentel
>
>
>
> Godfather?:
>
> Mathios Jose Jacindo
>
>
>
> Son of
>
> Someone I cannot figure out?
>
>
>
> and then
>
>
>
> Clarencio Jose Joachimo Soares Dutra
>
>
>
> Antonio de Medeiros
>
>
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

[Margaret Vicente]

There’s another detail, the margin note should be taken into account as her 
name seems to have a change or addition.

Margin Note:  Maria nome q.e lh poz Sua Ex.a R.mo qdo. a Confirmou ( Maria, 
name given/inputed by His Reverend Excellency (Bishop) when he Confirmed her)

Margaret Vicente

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: September 11, 2019 1:40 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

Florinda, daughter of Lourenço José de Sousa, native of Nossa Senhora da 
Estrela of Ribeira Grande (so that's where you find his baptism), and Luiza 
Francisca, native of this parish, Nossa Senhora do Rosario, place of Achadinha, 
born on 16 Nov 1000 700 90 and 8 (spelled oyto instead of oito). So Sam got 
1798 right.  Then some church stuff. Then godfather: Mathias Jose Jacinto, son 
of the family of Alfares  a...ndo Jose, widower, from Nossa Senhora da 
Conceicao of the village of Ribeira Grande.

You are in the 2nd time period. Grandparents are not given. You have to find 
Lourenco and Luiza's marriage. Since they are from 2 different freguesias, you 
look in the bride's first. So check Achadinha for the marriage and then check 
Ribeira Grande - N.S. da Estrela church.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:39 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
I see the 6th of November seventeen hundred and ninety something.  I think it’s 
eight but; not sure about that.  Baptized on the 21 say of the same month and 
year.  I see the same as you for the dad and the mom is Luisa Francisca.  
Natural of this parish of Nossa Senhora de Rosario.  Godfather was Matteus Jose 
Jacinto who was a son of the family of Ensign (can’t read the first name) Jose, 
widow.  The names at the bottom are the witnesses.  Hopefully, someone else can 
fill in the missing pieces.
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: R Downey
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:05 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda
 
Can someone help me read this Baptism of Maria Florinda.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799_item1/P145.html
 
What I think it says:  November 1799  I can't figure the date?
 
Father:  Lourenco Jose de Sousa
 
Mother:  Luisa (Luiza) _ - I cannot make out last name (Luisa Rosa - in a 
prior record)
 
Nordeste Sao Miguel
 
I am trying to find the parents of both Mother and Father if listed or more if 
possible.  Thanks so much for any help.  I am trying to get better at reading 
these.
 
Names I think I see and more, but can't tell who the grand parents are and who 
the priests and families of priest are?  It seems to go into quite a bit of 
detail of the Reverendo?
 
Padre:  Virginio son of 
Manoel de Sousa Pimentel
 
Godfather?:
Mathios Jose Jacindo
 
Son of
Someone I cannot figure out?
 
and then
 
Clarencio Jose Joachimo Soares Dutra
 
Antonio de Medeiros
 
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

[Cheri Mello]

Florinda, daughter of Lourenço José de Sousa, native of Nossa Senhora da
Estrela of Ribeira Grande (so that's where you find his baptism), and Luiza
Francisca, native of this parish, Nossa Senhora do Rosario, place of
Achadinha, born on 16 Nov 1000 700 90 and 8 (spelled oyto instead of oito).
So Sam got 1798 right.  Then some church stuff. Then godfather: Mathias
Jose Jacinto, son of the family of Alfares  a...ndo Jose, widower, from
Nossa Senhora da Conceicao of the village of Ribeira Grande.

You are in the 2nd time period. Grandparents are not given. You have to
find Lourenco and Luiza's marriage. Since they are from 2 different
freguesias, you look in the bride's first. So check Achadinha for the
marriage and then check Ribeira Grande - N.S. da Estrela church.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Sep 11, 2019 at 9:39 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I see the 6th of November seventeen hundred and ninety something.  I
> think it’s eight but; not sure about that.  Baptized on the 21 say of the
> same month and year.  I see the same as you for the dad and the mom is
> Luisa Francisca.  Natural of this parish of Nossa Senhora de Rosario.
> Godfather was Matteus Jose Jacinto who was a son of the family of Ensign
> (can’t read the first name) Jose, widow.  The names at the bottom are the
> witnesses.  Hopefully, someone else can fill in the missing pieces.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *R Downey 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:05 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria
> Florinda
>
>
>
> Can someone help me read this Baptism of Maria Florinda.
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799_item1/P145.html
>
>
>
> What I think it says:  November 1799  I can't figure the date?
>
>
>
> Father:  Lourenco Jose de Sousa
>
>
>
> Mother:  Luisa (Luiza) _ - I cannot make out last name (Luisa Rosa -
> in a prior record)
>
>
>
> Nordeste Sao Miguel
>
>
>
> I am trying to find the parents of both Mother and Father if listed or
> more if possible.  Thanks so much for any help.  I am trying to get better
> at reading these.
>
>
>
> Names I think I see and more, but can't tell who the grand parents are and
> who the priests and families of priest are?  It seems to go into quite a
> bit of detail of the Reverendo?
>
>
>
> Padre:  Virginio son of
>
> Manoel de Sousa Pimentel
>
>
>
> Godfather?:
>
> Mathios Jose Jacindo
>
>
>
> Son of
>
> Someone I cannot figure out?
>
>
>
> and then
>
>
>
> Clarencio Jose Joachimo Soares Dutra
>
>
>
> Antonio de Medeiros
>
>
>
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

I see the 6th of November seventeen hundred and ninety something.  I think it’s 
eight but; not sure about that.  Baptized on the 21 say of the same month and 
year.  I see the same as you for the dad and the mom is Luisa Francisca.  
Natural of this parish of Nossa Senhora de Rosario.  Godfather was Matteus Jose 
Jacinto who was a son of the family of Ensign (can’t read the first name) Jose, 
widow.  The names at the bottom are the witnesses.  Hopefully, someone else can 
fill in the missing pieces.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: R Downey
Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:05 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

Can someone help me read this Baptism of Maria Florinda.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799_item1/P145.html

What I think it says:  November 1799  I can't figure the date?

Father:  Lourenco Jose de Sousa

Mother:  Luisa (Luiza) _ - I cannot make out last name (Luisa Rosa - in a 
prior record)

Nordeste Sao Miguel

I am trying to find the parents of both Mother and Father if listed or more if 
possible.  Thanks so much for any help.  I am trying to get better at reading 
these.

Names I think I see and more, but can't tell who the grand parents are and who 
the priests and families of priest are?  It seems to go into quite a bit of 
detail of the Reverendo?

Padre:  Virginio son of 
Manoel de Sousa Pimentel

Godfather?:
Mathios Jose Jacindo

Son of
Someone I cannot figure out?

and then

Clarencio Jose Joachimo Soares Dutra

Antonio de Medeiros


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[AZORES-Genealogy] help reading Baptism record for Maria Florinda

[R Downey]

Can someone help me read this Baptism of Maria Florinda.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799/SMG-ND-ACHADINHA-B-1778-1799_item1/P145.html

What I think it says:  November 1799  I can't figure the date?

Father:  Lourenco Jose de Sousa

Mother:  Luisa (Luiza) _ - I cannot make out last name (Luisa Rosa - in 
a prior record)

Nordeste Sao Miguel

I am trying to find the parents of both Mother and Father if listed or more 
if possible.  Thanks so much for any help.  I am trying to get better at 
reading these.

Names I think I see and more, but can't tell who the grand parents are and 
who the priests and families of priest are?  It seems to go into quite a 
bit of detail of the Reverendo?

Padre:  Virginio son of 
Manoel de Sousa Pimentel

Godfather?:
Mathios Jose Jacindo

Son of
Someone I cannot figure out?

and then

Clarencio Jose Joachimo Soares Dutra

Antonio de Medeiros


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, SantaMaria

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Margaret and Angela, thank you both!  That was really confusing me!  I see not 
that here is an “and” there!  

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Margaret Vicente
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 8:04 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, 
SantaMaria

It’s actually correct as it is written:  

“testemunhas, o Avo Materno do Baptizado, e Bernardino Joze de Sousa, Sacristao 
desta Igreja ..”

witnesses, the Maternal grandfather of the baptized and Bernardino Joze de 
Sousa 

Margaret 

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: August 31, 2019 9:56 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, 
SantaMaria

Check the record in the previous pages and the next ones, where Bernardino José 
de Sousa is refered to as the «sacristão desta igreja», so probably the priest 
had his mind in another place when he wrote that record.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia domingo, 1/09/2019 à(s) 02:17:
Top Right, Francisco.  I’m confused on this one.  I think it says that 
Francisco is the son of Joao Jacinto de Resendes e Jacinta Umbelina. Paternals 
are: Joao Jose de Resendes e Maria Francisca.  Maternals are: Joao Jose da 
Camara e Antonia Jacinta.  Then comes my confusion.  Towards the very bottom it 
looks to me that it says the witness is the baptized baby’s Maternal 
Ggrandfather: Bernardino Jose de Sousa.  Where am I going wrong here?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845_item1/P70.html
 
Thanks for your help,
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, SantaMaria

[Margaret Vicente]

It’s actually correct as it is written:  

“testemunhas, o Avo Materno do Baptizado, e Bernardino Joze de Sousa, Sacristao 
desta Igreja ..”

witnesses, the Maternal grandfather of the baptized and Bernardino Joze de 
Sousa 

Margaret 

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: August 31, 2019 9:56 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, 
SantaMaria

Check the record in the previous pages and the next ones, where Bernardino José 
de Sousa is refered to as the «sacristão desta igreja», so probably the priest 
had his mind in another place when he wrote that record.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu no 
dia domingo, 1/09/2019 à(s) 02:17:
Top Right, Francisco.  I’m confused on this one.  I think it says that 
Francisco is the son of Joao Jacinto de Resendes e Jacinta Umbelina. Paternals 
are: Joao Jose de Resendes e Maria Francisca.  Maternals are: Joao Jose da 
Camara e Antonia Jacinta.  Then comes my confusion.  Towards the very bottom it 
looks to me that it says the witness is the baptized baby’s Maternal 
Ggrandfather: Bernardino Jose de Sousa.  Where am I going wrong here?
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845_item1/P70.html
 
Thanks for your help,
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Check the record in the previous pages and the next ones, where Bernardino
José de Sousa is refered to as the «sacristão desta igreja», so probably
the priest had his mind in another place when he wrote that record.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 1/09/2019 à(s) 02:17:

> Top Right, Francisco.  I’m confused on this one.  I think it says that
> Francisco is the son of Joao Jacinto de Resendes e Jacinta Umbelina.
> Paternals are: Joao Jose de Resendes e Maria Francisca.  Maternals are:
> Joao Jose da Camara e Antonia Jacinta.  Then comes my confusion.  Towards
> the very bottom it looks to me that it says the witness is the baptized
> baby’s Maternal Ggrandfather: Bernardino Jose de Sousa.  Where am I going
> wrong here?
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845_item1/P70.html
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
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> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help please: Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Top Right, Francisco.  I’m confused on this one.  I think it says that 
Francisco is the son of Joao Jacinto de Resendes e Jacinta Umbelina. Paternals 
are: Joao Jose de Resendes e Maria Francisca.  Maternals are: Joao Jose da 
Camara e Antonia Jacinta.  Then comes my confusion.  Towards the very bottom it 
looks to me that it says the witness is the baptized baby’s Maternal 
Ggrandfather: Bernardino Jose de Sousa.  Where am I going wrong here?

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1828-1845_item1/P70.html

Thanks for your help,

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1757 marriage, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

«que Deus o tem», meaning his father was deceased.
Doña is spanish and is pronnounced diferent from the portuguese Dona (it's
almost like the name Donna, but the 'o' is like the 'oa' of 'boat').
I think you got everything right

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia segunda, 26/08/2019 à(s) 00:56:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789_item1/P43
>
>
>
> Left page
>
>
>
> Married on 22 June 1757. Jose Soares son of Manoel Soares ??  ?? and his
> wife Izabel de Sousa with Doña (with two n’s) Izabel Framcisca de
> Figueiredo daughter of Alferes Joam Soares de Figueiredo, now dead; and his
> wife, Doña Maria de Braga.  They’re all from Santa Barbara.
>
>
>
> Did I get it right?  Anything else of importance.  What is that date about
> on the bottom quarter of the record?  The side note?
>
>
>
> Thanks all!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with 1757 marriage, Santa Barbara, Santa Maria

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-C-1738-1789_item1/P43

Left page

Married on 22 June 1757. Jose Soares son of Manoel Soares ??  ?? and his wife 
Izabel de Sousa with Doña (with two n’s) Izabel Framcisca de Figueiredo 
daughter of Alferes Joam Soares de Figueiredo, now dead; and his wife, Doña 
Maria de Braga.  They’re all from Santa Barbara.

Did I get it right?  Anything else of importance.  What is that date about on 
the bottom quarter of the record?  The side note?

Thanks all!

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of SantaBarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

[Margaret Vicente]

I think I had already done this one, 

This is one is faded and hard to read but this is what I get:
em 24 de Sep.bro de 1775 passei deste termo hua cert.am a Fran.c Miz e Ma de S. 
Jose

certificate issued of this record to Francisco Martins and Maria de S. Jose in 
Sep 24 1775

Margaret
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Sent: August 22, 2019 11:49 AM
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of 
SantaBarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

I’m so sorry. I wrote the bottom of the page and I meant top of the page. I can 
not read what is after their names. Thanks Cheri for responding and sorry I 
mistakenly put the bottom of the page. Please look at it again. Sincerely, 
Doreen

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:46 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of Santa 
BarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

Pedro Machado and Isabel Jose?

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:33 AM  wrote:
Here’s another margin note I’m having problems reading.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703_item1/P210.html
It is that the bottom of the page. Thanks again. Doreen Caetano
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of Santa BarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

[doreencaetano]

I’m so sorry. I wrote the bottom of the page and I meant top of the page. I can 
not read what is after their names. Thanks Cheri for responding and sorry I 
mistakenly put the bottom of the page. Please look at it again. Sincerely, 
Doreen

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 2:46 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of Santa 
BarbaraMarriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

Pedro Machado and Isabel Jose?

Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:33 AM  wrote:
Here’s another margin note I’m having problems reading.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703_item1/P210.html
It is that the bottom of the page. Thanks again. Doreen Caetano
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of Santa Barbara Marriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

[Cheri Mello]

Pedro Machado and Isabel Jose?
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:33 AM  wrote:

> Here’s another margin note I’m having problems reading.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703_item1/P210.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading margin note of Santa Barbara Marriage record for Manuel Martins Coelho and Joana de Sao Joao

[doreencaetano]

Here’s another margin note I’m having problems reading.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703/TER-AH-SANTABARBARA-C-1657-1703_item1/P210.html
It is that the bottom of the page. Thanks again. Doreen Caetano

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Azorean Island Girl Connie Raposo]

Gordon,
I think I have those name's on my family tree. Let me look into it and get
back to you.

On Wed, Aug 14, 2019, 4:28 PM Gordon soares  wrote:

> I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t
> seem to find the ship passenger list.
>
>  Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
> The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing
> it is an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
>
> I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who
> applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete
> the process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization
> papers that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find
> his ship or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
>
> Gordon
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Cheri Mello]

Paul,

Great, and be sure to join the Azores DNA Project on FTDNA (email me at
gfscherim at gmail.com if you need directions). And we play wait-and-see.
(The longest game ever invented).

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 3:05 PM Comcast  wrote:

> Thank, you for that info,and I sent my DNA  two weeks ago. Sorry to say
> but just myself and one cousin are the only ones left. All that I know is
> on her death certificate it says that she was from St. Michaels and there
> is no one I can turn to for any more info.
>
> Thanks Paul
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 15, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> You have to have a freguesia in order to start researching over there. Sao
> Miguel island has over 70 churches to wade through.
>
> Have you tried every single thing here (and really, I mean every single
> thing):
>
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
>
> It took me 4 years and 25 documents (going through every single thing I
> could find) before I figured out the freguesia. This was all B.C. though
> (Before Computers).
>
> And while you are trying every single thing, you need to do DNA. You just
> don't know what you don't know. Suppose your 2nd cousin once removed with a
> tree of 10,000 people took a DNA test? That cousin would have your
> freguesia and then you wouldn't have to go through every single suggestion
> and you could go straight to a freguesia. DNA is on sale this month too:
> https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands
> You want the Family Finder test ($59 USD + $12.95 S - includes return
> postage back to the lab if you are a U.S. resident). If your mother is
> alive, test her. If she is not alive, test one of her siblings. If none of
> them are alive, test yourself.
>
> Good luck!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:16 AM Comcast  wrote:
>
>> I need help badly,and currently looking for my grandmother my mother's
>> mother who died here in the USA when my mother was 3 years old. All we know
>> about her from her death cert it says that Anna Cabral was the daughter of
>> Antonio Cabral Silva and Anna Luciana from St Michaels Azores and she was
>> born in 1879. I looked for her birth based on that info and came up empty.
>> Currently trying to find a marriage for Antonio and Anna Luciana. Thanks
>> for any help from anyone. My email is pj...@comcast.net
>>
>> Thanks,Paul
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:13 PM, Margaret Vicente 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Mahalo, Rich.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just to say thank you.  The great thing about being in a group is that
>> all of the other members are also at a ready to help and assist.  There are
>> a few I could name .   None-the-less your email is very  much
>> appreciated, thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy to assist if and when you will have a question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Rich Mueller 
>> *Sent: *August 14, 2019 7:10 PM
>> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
>>
>>
>>
>> Margaret, I haven't had to ask a question on my wife's side of our family
>> but I have noticed that you are absolutely amazing at helping folks when
>> they get stuck. Mahalo!
>>
>>
>>
>> *E malama pono*
>>
>> Rich Mueller
>>
>> *"Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can
>> work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those
>> acts will be written the history of this generation." - Robert F. Kennedy*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:30 PM Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gordon,
>>
>>
>>
>> Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
>>
>>
>>
>> From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
>>
>>
>>
>> M

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Comcast]

Thank, you for that info,and I sent my DNA  two weeks ago. Sorry to say but 
just myself and one cousin are the only ones left. All that I know is on her 
death certificate it says that she was from St. Michaels and there is no one I 
can turn to for any more info.

Thanks Paul

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 15, 2019, at 1:48 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> You have to have a freguesia in order to start researching over there. Sao 
> Miguel island has over 70 churches to wade through.
> 
> Have you tried every single thing here (and really, I mean every single 
> thing):
> http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/
> 
> It took me 4 years and 25 documents (going through every single thing I could 
> find) before I figured out the freguesia. This was all B.C. though (Before 
> Computers). 
> 
> And while you are trying every single thing, you need to do DNA. You just 
> don't know what you don't know. Suppose your 2nd cousin once removed with a 
> tree of 10,000 people took a DNA test? That cousin would have your freguesia 
> and then you wouldn't have to go through every single suggestion and you 
> could go straight to a freguesia. DNA is on sale this month too: 
> https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands 
> You want the Family Finder test ($59 USD + $12.95 S - includes return 
> postage back to the lab if you are a U.S. resident). If your mother is alive, 
> test her. If she is not alive, test one of her siblings. If none of them are 
> alive, test yourself.
> 
> Good luck!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:16 AM Comcast  wrote:
>> I need help badly,and currently looking for my grandmother my mother's 
>> mother who died here in the USA when my mother was 3 years old. All we know 
>> about her from her death cert it says that Anna Cabral was the daughter of 
>> Antonio Cabral Silva and Anna Luciana from St Michaels Azores and she was 
>> born in 1879. I looked for her birth based on that info and came up empty. 
>> Currently trying to find a marriage for Antonio and Anna Luciana. Thanks for 
>> any help from anyone. My email is pj...@comcast.net
>> 
>> Thanks,Paul
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:13 PM, Margaret Vicente  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mahalo, Rich.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Just to say thank you.  The great thing about being in a group is that all 
>>> of the other members are also at a ready to help and assist.  There are a 
>>> few I could name .   None-the-less your email is very  much appreciated, 
>>> thank you!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Happy to assist if and when you will have a question.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Margaret
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Rich Mueller
>>> Sent: August 14, 2019 7:10 PM
>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Margaret, I haven't had to ask a question on my wife's side of our family 
>>> but I have noticed that you are absolutely amazing at helping folks when 
>>> they get stuck. Mahalo!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> E malama pono
>>> 
>>> Rich Mueller
>>> 
>>> "Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can 
>>> work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those 
>>> acts will be written the history of this generation." - Robert F. Kennedy
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:30 PM Margaret Vicente 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Gordon,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Margaret
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Gordon soares
>>

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Cheri Mello]

American arrival records can be tricky. It was up to the captain to decide
which ports people would be counted at (see John P. Coletta's "They Came In
Ships" and Michael C. Tepper's "American Arrival Records" for further
discussion). The captain could have sailed to NY (before 1890/1891 it was
Castle Garden, after that date, it was Ellis Island), said everybody off,
and they were counted there. Or he could have said only those whose
destination was NY get off and those going to New Bedford, etc, may stay on
the ship. My ancestor sailed into NY, but disembarked in New Bedford. She's
counted in NY. And then again, the immigrant my say that they immigrated to
NY because that's where they first saw America, regardless of where they
actually disembarked. So you have to check multiple ports.

The Morton Allen Directory lists all the ships and dates coming into NY.

Your local public library has all the books that I've mentioned.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:18 AM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Hello Gordon,
>
>
>
> The last Couple of columns, starting at the very last, are: Observations
> [here they record physical characteristics], next is, Nome de Navio/Ship’s
> Name.
>
>
>
> Some times findings turn out some surprises but that’s how it was.  Sorry,
> can’t answer your question about the port of arrival but if you say it’s
> New York, most likely you will find them in Ellis Island records.
>
>
>
> Actually, Joe Matias was the one who found your grandmother Marcelina’s
> passport.  The link below is for your grandfather Manuel.  I won’t post the
> link here to avoid confusion, but please do check your email for his
> message to you.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Gordon soares 
> *Sent: *August 15, 2019 1:47 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
>
>
>
> Hi Margaret:
>
> As usual you are amazing at finding these documents.I’m having trouble
> reading the column headings and all the scratch scratch in the last couple
> of columns.What they heck is that?
>
> I have the marriage certificate for my grandparents…It created a great
> deal of angst for my father when he found out his mother and dad both had
> incognitos. Kind of unnerving in his day, I guess.
>
> Do you think if the ship my grandmother was on—the SS Dona Maria—landed in
> New York would she be listed in Ellis Island?
>
> Finally, how do I find Manuel Machado Soares’ ship manifest like you did
> for Marcelina?
>
> Gordon
>
>
>
> On Aug 14, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Margaret Vicente 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Gordon,
>
>
>
> Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
>
>
>
> From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Gordon soares 
> *Sent: *August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] help
>
>
>
> I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t
> seem to find the ship passenger list.
>
>
>
> Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
>
> The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing
> it is an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
>
>
>
> I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who
> applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete
> the process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization
> papers that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find
> his ship or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
>
>
>
> Gordon
>
>
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Gordon,

The last Couple of columns, starting at the very last, are: Observations [here 
they record physical characteristics], next is, Nome de Navio/Ship’s Name.

Some times findings turn out some surprises but that’s how it was.  Sorry, 
can’t answer your question about the port of arrival but if you say it’s New 
York, most likely you will find them in Ellis Island records.  

Actually, Joe Matias was the one who found your grandmother Marcelina’s 
passport.  The link below is for your grandfather Manuel.  I won’t post the 
link here to avoid confusion, but please do check your email for his message to 
you.

Margaret 

From: Gordon soares
Sent: August 15, 2019 1:47 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

Hi Margaret:
As usual you are amazing at finding these documents.I’m having trouble reading 
the column headings and all the scratch scratch in the last couple of 
columns.What they heck is that?
I have the marriage certificate for my grandparents…It created a great deal of 
angst for my father when he found out his mother and dad both had incognitos. 
Kind of unnerving in his day, I guess. 
Do you think if the ship my grandmother was on—the SS Dona Maria—landed in New 
York would she be listed in Ellis Island?
Finally, how do I find Manuel Machado Soares’ ship manifest like you did for 
Marcelina?
Gordon


On Aug 14, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

Hi Gordon,
 
Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
 
>From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
 
Margaret
 
From: Gordon soares
Sent: August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
 
I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t seem 
to find the ship passenger list.
 
Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing it is 
an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
 
I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who 
applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete the 
process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization papers 
that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find his ship 
or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
 
Gordon
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Paul,

You have to have a freguesia in order to start researching over there. Sao
Miguel island has over 70 churches to wade through.

Have you tried every single thing here (and really, I mean every single
thing):
http://www.worldgenweb.org/azrwgw/research-aids-a---l/finding-your-portuguese/

It took me 4 years and 25 documents (going through every single thing I
could find) before I figured out the freguesia. This was all B.C. though
(Before Computers).

And while you are trying every single thing, you need to do DNA. You just
don't know what you don't know. Suppose your 2nd cousin once removed with a
tree of 10,000 people took a DNA test? That cousin would have your
freguesia and then you wouldn't have to go through every single suggestion
and you could go straight to a freguesia. DNA is on sale this month too:
https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=AzoresIslands
You want the Family Finder test ($59 USD + $12.95 S - includes return
postage back to the lab if you are a U.S. resident). If your mother is
alive, test her. If she is not alive, test one of her siblings. If none of
them are alive, test yourself.

Good luck!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:16 AM Comcast  wrote:

> I need help badly,and currently looking for my grandmother my mother's
> mother who died here in the USA when my mother was 3 years old. All we know
> about her from her death cert it says that Anna Cabral was the daughter of
> Antonio Cabral Silva and Anna Luciana from St Michaels Azores and she was
> born in 1879. I looked for her birth based on that info and came up empty.
> Currently trying to find a marriage for Antonio and Anna Luciana. Thanks
> for any help from anyone. My email is pj...@comcast.net
>
> Thanks,Paul
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:13 PM, Margaret Vicente 
> wrote:
>
> Mahalo, Rich.
>
>
>
> Just to say thank you.  The great thing about being in a group is that all
> of the other members are also at a ready to help and assist.  There are a
> few I could name .   None-the-less your email is very  much
> appreciated, thank you!
>
>
>
> Happy to assist if and when you will have a question.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Rich Mueller 
> *Sent: *August 14, 2019 7:10 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
>
>
>
> Margaret, I haven't had to ask a question on my wife's side of our family
> but I have noticed that you are absolutely amazing at helping folks when
> they get stuck. Mahalo!
>
>
>
> *E malama pono*
>
> Rich Mueller
>
> *"Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can
> work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those
> acts will be written the history of this generation." - Robert F. Kennedy*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:30 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Gordon,
>
>
>
> Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
>
>
>
> From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Gordon soares 
> *Sent: *August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] help
>
>
>
> I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t
> seem to find the ship passenger list.
>
>
>
> Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
>
> The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing
> it is an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
>
>
>
> I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who
> applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete
> the process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization
> papers that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find
> his ship or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
>
>
>
> Gordon
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Gordon soares]

Hi Margaret:
As usual you are amazing at finding these documents.I’m having trouble reading 
the column headings and all the scratch scratch in the last couple of 
columns.What they heck is that?
I have the marriage certificate for my grandparents…It created a great deal of 
angst for my father when he found out his mother and dad both had incognitos. 
Kind of unnerving in his day, I guess. 
Do you think if the ship my grandmother was on—the SS Dona Maria—landed in New 
York would she be listed in Ellis Island?
Finally, how do I find Manuel Machado Soares’ ship manifest like you did for 
Marcelina?
Gordon

> On Aug 14, 2019, at 3:30 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon,
>  
> Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
>  
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html>
>  
> From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
>  
> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html>
>  
> Margaret
>  
> From: Gordon soares <mailto:gws...@gmail.com>
> Sent: August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
>  
> I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t 
> seem to find the ship passenger list.
>  
> Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
> The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing it 
> is an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
>  
> I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who 
> applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete the 
> process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization papers 
> that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find his ship 
> or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
>  
> Gordon
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Comcast]

I need help badly,and currently looking for my grandmother my mother's mother 
who died here in the USA when my mother was 3 years old. All we know about her 
from her death cert it says that Anna Cabral was the daughter of Antonio Cabral 
Silva and Anna Luciana from St Michaels Azores and she was born in 1879. I 
looked for her birth based on that info and came up empty. Currently trying to 
find a marriage for Antonio and Anna Luciana. Thanks for any help from anyone. 
My email is pj...@comcast.net

Thanks,Paul

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> On Aug 14, 2019, at 11:13 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> Mahalo, Rich.
>  
> Just to say thank you.  The great thing about being in a group is that all of 
> the other members are also at a ready to help and assist.  There are a few I 
> could name .   None-the-less your email is very  much appreciated, thank you!
>  
> Happy to assist if and when you will have a question.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Margaret
>  
> From: Rich Mueller
> Sent: August 14, 2019 7:10 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
>  
> Margaret, I haven't had to ask a question on my wife's side of our family but 
> I have noticed that you are absolutely amazing at helping folks when they get 
> stuck. Mahalo!
>  
> E malama pono
> Rich Mueller
> "Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work 
> to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will 
> be written the history of this generation." - Robert F. Kennedy
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:30 PM Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> Hi Gordon,
>  
> Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
>  
> From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
>  
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
>  
> Margaret
>  
> From: Gordon soares
> Sent: August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
>  
> I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t 
> seem to find the ship passenger list.
>  
> Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
> The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing it 
> is an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
>  
> I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who 
> applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete the 
> process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization papers 
> that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find his ship 
> or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
>  
> Gordon
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Margaret Vicente]

Mahalo, Rich.

Just to say thank you.  The great thing about being in a group is that all of 
the other members are also at a ready to help and assist.  There are a few I 
could name .   None-the-less your email is very  much appreciated, thank you!

Happy to assist if and when you will have a question.

Cheers,

Margaret

From: Rich Mueller
Sent: August 14, 2019 7:10 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

Margaret, I haven't had to ask a question on my wife's side of our family but I 
have noticed that you are absolutely amazing at helping folks when they get 
stuck. Mahalo!

E malama pono
Rich Mueller
"Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can work to 
change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those acts will be 
written the history of this generation." - Robert F. Kennedy



On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:30 PM Margaret Vicente  
wrote:
Hi Gordon,
 
Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
 
>From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
 
Margaret
 
From: Gordon soares
Sent: August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help
 
I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t seem 
to find the ship passenger list.
 
Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902. 
The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing it is 
an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think? 
 
I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who 
applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete the 
process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization papers 
that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find his ship 
or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
 
Gordon
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Rich Mueller]

Margaret, I haven't had to ask a question on my wife's side of our family
but I have noticed that you are absolutely amazing at helping folks when
they get stuck. Mahalo!

*E malama pono*
Rich Mueller

*"Few will have the greatness to bend history itself; but each of us can
work to change a small portion of events, and in the total of all those
acts will be written the history of this generation." - Robert F. Kennedy*



On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 2:30 PM Margaret Vicente 
wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
>
>
>
> Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html
>
>
>
> From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Gordon soares 
> *Sent: *August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] help
>
>
>
> I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t
> seem to find the ship passenger list.
>
>
>
> Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
>
> The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing
> it is an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
>
>
>
> I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who
> applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete
> the process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization
> papers that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find
> his ship or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
>
>
>
> Gordon
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Joe Matias]

here she is on the Azores passport registration number 402
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P161.html



On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 5:04 PM Joe Matias  wrote:

> Where was she from..I might be able to help
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 4:28 PM Gordon soares  wrote:
>
>> I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t
>> seem to find the ship passenger list.
>>
>>  Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
>> The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing
>> it is an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
>>
>> I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares
>> who applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t
>> complete the process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her
>> naturalization papers that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions
>> on how to find his ship or other immigration info for him. He came from
>> Pico.
>>
>> Gordon
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Cheri Mello]

Gordon,

On the American Arrival Records (or American Passenger Lists), they typical
state the date they arrived in the U.S. To the best of their memory, that
is. And as Margaret pointed out, the memory was a little off.  Cheri
Cheri Mello
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Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 1:28 PM Gordon soares  wrote:

> I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t
> seem to find the ship passenger list.
>
>  Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902.
> The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing
> it is an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think?
>
> I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who
> applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete
> the process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization
> papers that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find
> his ship or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.
>
> Gordon
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Gordon,

Found your grandfather in passports 1901, # 329

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P146.html

>From their, found their marriage, # 8 right side

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899/PIC-LJ-LAJES-C-1888-1899_item1/P79.html

Margaret

From: Gordon soares
Sent: August 14, 2019 4:28 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t seem 
to find the ship passenger list.

 Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902. 
The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing it is 
an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think? 

I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who 
applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete the 
process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization papers 
that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find his ship 
or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.

Gordon

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[AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Gordon soares]

I have found the ship my grandmother immigrated on and the date but can’t seem 
to find the ship passenger list.

 Marcelina Gaspar Soares sailed on SS Dona Maria on June18,1902. 
The SS Dona seems to have a few lists but not that date so I am guessing it is 
an arrival date that is on her immigration papers. What do you think? 

I also need to find her husband (my grandfather) Manuel Machado Soares who 
applied for naturalization on June 20,1901 but apparently didn’t complete the 
process since my grandmother (above) indicates on her naturalization papers 
that her husband was not naturalized. Any suggestions on how to find his ship 
or other immigration info for him. He came from Pico.

Gordon

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

['Gayle Machado' via Azores Genealogy]

And, according to my History of Math professor, she was the first female 
mathematician. She was murdered by some jealous male mathematicians because she 
was so outstanding. One final note of trivia, her father was also a famous 
mathematician. 

Just thought I’d add a note of trivia albeit off the original topic. 

Gayle

> On Aug 13, 2019, at 3:41 PM, Margaret Vicente  
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> 
> Really weird.  Funny part is “Hypatia” is also a name, albeit Greek 
>  
> Cheers, Cheri.
> Margaret
>  
> From: Cheri Mello
> Sent: August 13, 2019 6:34 PM
> To: Azores Genealogy
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized
>  
> Yeah, I was scratching my head over your previous email :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>  
>  
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:19 PM Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> Sorry, auto correct interference.  It is written Hylaria, present day Hilaria.
>  
> Margaret
>  
> From: doreencaet...@gmail.com
> Sent: August 13, 2019 2:41 PM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized
>  
> Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual name. 
> Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. 
> Thanks Doreen
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

[JesseAndDeborah Mendonca]

My brother in law and his family were so glad to know when I found out that
because he was born on St Hilary’s Day he got named Hilary.   I know Hilary
Jr. and Hilary Mendonca III will be so glad to know it was a common name in
the Azores, lol.  They skipped passing the name to the great grandson.  
thanks Margaret!



On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:41 PM Margaret Vicente 
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> Really weird.  Funny part is “Hypatia” is also a name, albeit Greek 
>
>
>
> Cheers, Cheri.
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *August 13, 2019 6:34 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized
>
>
>
> Yeah, I was scratching my head over your previous email :)
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:19 PM Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, auto correct interference.  It is written Hylaria, present day
> Hilaria.
>
>
>
> Margaret
>
>
>
> *From: *doreencaet...@gmail.com
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

[Margaret Vicente]

Really weird.  Funny part is “Hypatia” is also a name, albeit Greek 

Cheers, Cheri.
Margaret

From: Cheri Mello
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

Yeah, I was scratching my head over your previous email :)

Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:19 PM Margaret Vicente  
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Sorry, auto correct interference.  It is written Hylaria, present day Hilaria.
 
Margaret
 
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Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual name. 
Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. 
Thanks Doreen
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

[Cheri Mello]

Yeah, I was scratching my head over your previous email :)
Cheri Mello
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On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 3:19 PM Margaret Vicente 
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> Sorry, auto correct interference.  It is written Hylaria, present day
> Hilaria.
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> Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual
> name. Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the
> page. Thanks Doreen
>
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

[Margaret Vicente]

Sorry, auto correct interference.  It is written Hylaria, present day Hilaria.

Margaret

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Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual name. 
Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. 
Thanks Doreen
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

[Margaret Vicente]

It is Hypatia,  currently Hilario



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> Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. 
> Thanks Doreen
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with name of girl being baptized

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Well this one I can read but the baby being baptized has a very usual name. 
Need help with just the name of the baby on the top left side of the page. 
Thanks Doreen
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P13.html

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares Marriage record for Manuel Vieira of Santa Barbara and Catarina Martins, widow of Salvador Nogueiro of Altares

[doreencaetano]

I need help reading the parents of the groom Manuel Vieira. I’m getting lost in 
the text. I see Manuel Vieira, natural to Santa Barbara,  son of Manuel 
Vieira and Maria Biboya, deceased, married Maria Martins, correction Catarina 
Martins….
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P110.html
It is on the right side of the page.
Thank you for you assistance.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with child's name, etc., Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

Francisco:
[image: image.png]

PG's Francisco Coelho de Resendes & Marianna (he wrote Mare Anna) Francisca.
MG's Manoel Coelho & Francisca Roza do Sacramento.
Born 20 Apr 1811, Bapt. 29 Apr.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia domingo, 11/08/2019 à(s) 00:23:

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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828_item1/P7.html
>
>
>
> Top left record.  I can’t make out the child’s name.  Parents are: Antonio
> Coelho and Anna Bernardina Coelho.  Paternals are: Francisco Coelho de ??
> and Maria? Anna ??.  Maternals: Manoel Jose Coelho and Francisca Rosa de
> Sacramento.  Baby born 20 April 1811?
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with child's name, etc., Sao Pedro, Vila do Porto, Santa Maria

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http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828/SMA-VP-SAOPEDRO-B-1810-1828_item1/P7.html

Top left record.  I can’t make out the child’s name.  Parents are: Antonio 
Coelho and Anna Bernardina Coelho.  Paternals are: Francisco Coelho de ?? and 
Maria? Anna ??.  Maternals: Manoel Jose Coelho and Francisca Rosa de 
Sacramento.  Baby born 20 April 1811?

Any and all help is much appreciated,

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading marriage record for Domingos Goncalves (Duarte) and Ines Goncalves from Quatro Ribeiras

[doreencaetano]

This record is so hard for me. Please help me read the names of the bride’s 
parents. I see Ines Goncalves, daughter of Salvador Lucas de Guiar ??
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-QUATRORIBEIRAS-C-1663-1733/TER-PV-QUATRORIBEIRAS-C-1663-1733_item1/P19.html
It is a the bottom of the page. 

FYI I have Domingos’ brother(Manuel Jorge) marrying Maria Machado who’s parents 
are Salvador Lucas (AKA Salvador Lucas de Aquiar) and Ana Goncalves. I’m 
thinking brother may have married sisters. What do you think?

Thanks for your help., Doreen Caetano
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading very usual listing of godparents

[doreencaetano]

I need help with the reading of my 6th Great aunt’s baptism, Maria de Ornelas. 
It seems to list several godmothers ? I’m definitively lost in the grammar. 

Here’s the link to the record and the record at the bottom of the left side of 
the page. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1708-1723_item1/P4.htm

This is what I see 
For godparents Antonia Coelho, Maria Coelho, children of Joao Goncalves de 
Ornelas (which is Maria’s (the baby’s) grandfather so these would be her aunts 
and thus my 7th Great Aunts) ?eo padrinhro, daughter of Beatriz de Melo 
(grandmother of Maria, the Baby, and Joao’s wife) ?e a godmother daughter of 
Maria Coelho ? same Joao Goncalves de Ornelas, deceased.

Now in my database I have Joao and Beatriz’ daughter Maria but I do not have 
another daughter named Antonia. I do have a son named Antonio. Now Joao had 
another wife named Maria Coelho so maybe this is information on her? 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with another Rabo de Peixe marriage; Manuel Roiz and Maria Frz 1626

[Bill Seidler]

Wow it sure does.  I think I was stuck in name mode.

Muito Obrigado Gonçalo

Bill

On Saturday, August 3, 2019 at 1:20:51 AM UTC-7, Gonçalo Marques wrote:
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>
> filha de Francisco Fernandes "já defunto" e de sua mulher
>
> "já defunto" means "already dead"
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> Cheers
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>> I really struggle with this handwriting, but what I think I have to this 
>> point is:
>>
>> On 1 Jan 1626; Manuel Rodrigues, filho de Manuel Rodrigues Rico e de sua 
>> mulher Ignes Cordeira com Maria Fernandes filha de Francisco Fernandes  de 
>> ??? e de sua mulher Maria Fernandes.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1623-1673/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1623-1673_item1/P10.html
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>> right)
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with another Rabo de Peixe marriage; Manuel Roiz and Maria Frz 1626

[Gonçalo Marques]

filha de Francisco Fernandes "já defunto" e de sua mulher

"já defunto" means "already dead"

Cheers
Gonçalo

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> I really struggle with this handwriting, but what I think I have to this
> point is:
>
> On 1 Jan 1626; Manuel Rodrigues, filho de Manuel Rodrigues Rico e de sua
> mulher Ignes Cordeira com Maria Fernandes filha de Francisco Fernandes  de
> ??? e de sua mulher Maria Fernandes.
>
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> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1623-1673/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1623-1673_item1/P10.html
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> right)
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with another Rabo de Peixe marriage; Manuel Roiz and Maria Frz 1626

[Bill Seidler]

I really struggle with this handwriting, but what I think I have to this 
point is:

On 1 Jan 1626; Manuel Rodrigues, filho de Manuel Rodrigues Rico e de sua 
mulher Ignes Cordeira com Maria Fernandes filha de Francisco Fernandes  de 
??? e de sua mulher Maria Fernandes.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1623-1673/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1623-1673_item1/P10.html
 (top 
right)

Thanks again,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with names on 1686 Rabo de Peixe marriage

[Bill Seidler]

I see Manuel Barbaosa filho de Pedro Barbosa e de Maria Fernandes com 
Barbara da Sousa, filha de Manuel da Sousa  e de Maria da Silva.  It's 
good writing but I can't make out that one name.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700_item1/P33.html
 (second 
on left)

Thanks,
Bill Seidler

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[AZORES-Genealogy] help with Sao Bartolomeu marriage record of Manuel Toledo and Maria da Costa

[doreencaetano]

I can make out the names of the groom and bride but I can not read the names of 
the parents. I do not know if it because it is a different priest or maybe 
names that I’m not familiar with but I can not figure it out. Any help you 
could give would be appreciated. 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1606-1653/TER-AH-SAOBARTOLOMEU-C-1606-1653_item1/P36.html
 The record is at the top of the page.
Sincerely, Doreen Caetano
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriagerecordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670

[doreencaetano]

That’s so funny I do things like that too. Then hen helping cousin do their 
research I’m usually able to give it to someone. This was not part of my 
lineage but my Cousin’s Mel’s tree. He does not do research but his MtDNA test 
came back with a very rare line. In the research group there are only 200 world 
wide so they were so excited to see a new person but I had not completed the 
research on this line so …thus all the work I doing now so I can give them the 
tree that goes with the DNA profile. Thanks again, Doreen

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From: Bill Seidler
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:54 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares 
marriagerecordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670

Thank you Doreen but this isn't part of any research I am doing.  This was just 
the first inaccuracy I have ever found in the Terceira Marriage Index and I 
became briefly obsessed with researching it thoroughly to make sure I was 
right.  That being said, the marriage index is an invaluable tool that I use 
extensively.  I am grateful for those who created it.

As your sixth-eighth cousin at least 4 different ways through our common 
Ribeirinha ancestry, I am glad you could benefit from my malady.

Bill

On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 7:35:48 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
I think Gracia's godparents are Alferes Sebastião Nunes, son of Simão 
Gonçalves, deceased; and Agueda de Luz, daughter of Capitão Francisco Lucas

For Manuel's godparents, I'm having a tough time.  Trying to follow the crooked 
lines it looks like Simão Gonçalves, deceased; and that doesn't make sense.  It 
is probably one of his sons just like it was for his sister Gracia.  The 
godmother looks like Maria Manuel, daughter of Manuel Nunes.

CURA is a title for a priest.





On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 6:40:16 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
Wow. Thanks. I have spent the day reviewing these and putting them into my 
database. I Have some additional information for you as well but would like to 
start with my questions on what you sent me. 
I’m having trouble reading Gracia and Manuel’s Godparents’ names. Can you look 
at those and get back to me with what you think they are?
I was wondering what the word “Cura” in front of the Joao’s godfather’s name 
(Cura Roque Martins)?
 
Now Bartolomeu Gil and Maria Nunes had two more children:
1. Antonio Martins was their son. He married Isabel do Rosario and they had 7 
children. Both had been married before. Antonio Martins had married a woman 
named Maria Nunes 4/6/1711, 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P128.html.
 Isabel do Rosario was married to Tome Borges2/1716, 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P10.html
 . It appears to me that Isabel married Tome after Antonio died but still need 
to locate his death record to confirm this information. It appear that Isabel 
was Antonio second wife and Maria Nunes is the mother of his children but since 
I have not located the marriage record of Antonio and Isabel I can not say that 
for a fact either. f you want their information let me know.
a. Maria Borges born 5/3/1725 in Altares. I had the link but when I was copying 
it I deleted instead of copied so I will have to find it again but record 
indicates that he is the child of Isabel and Thome.
b. Joao Goncalves Borges born 10/31/1726 and died 11/16/1799. Married Luzia da 
Conceicao in 1754 in Altares, 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P146.html
I have 4 children for them: Antonio Goncalves Borges, Rosa Maria, Joao 
Goncalves Borges and Isabel de Jesus but records indicate that Joao is the son 
of Isabel husband Thome.
c. Francisco Borges born 3/17/1730 in Altares and is also a son of Isabel and 
Thome.
d. Manuel Coelho Borges born 6/3/1734 in Altares. Married a lady names Isabel 
according to child’s information Manuel is also a child of Isabel and Thome.
e. Antonio Borges born 4/28/1740 in Altares, 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P150.html.
 Antonio is a child of Isabel and Thome.
f. Joao Martins Gil died before 1757 and was married in 1738 in Altares to 
Maria do Espirito Santo 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P80.html.
 I have two children for them: Francisca Ignacia and Andre Martins. Joao is the 
child of Antonio and Maria
g. Thome Martins Gil married Sebastiana Rosa do Sacramento in Altares 1744 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P112.html.Antonio
 is the child of Antonio and Maria.  I have two children for Thome and 
Sebastiana: Antonio Martins Gil and Rosa Joaquina

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage recordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670

[Bill Seidler]

;   is the child of Antonio and Maria.  I have two children for Thome and 
>>   Sebastiana: Antonio Martins Gil and Rosa Joaquina.
>>
>>  
>>
>>1. Maria Nunes, who married Manuel Martins on 6/29/1698, 
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P75.html
>>
>> Hope this helps you as much as your information help me. Thanks Doreen
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows 10
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Bill Seidler
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:33 PM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage 
>> recordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> I believe this is the same person's obit right side bottom right 
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1647-1707/TER-AH-ALTARES-O-1647-1707_item1/P67.html>.
>>   
>> It has Bartolomeu spelled out; last name Gil
>>
>>  
>>
>> Here is the marriage of the Maria in the above baptism: right side 
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P75.html>
>>   
>> This is the has Bartolomeu spelled out; last name Gil
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> left center 
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P114.html>
>>   
>> Manuel; it has father as Bermeu Gil
>>
>>  
>>
>> bottom left 
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P89.html>
>>  José;  
>> It has Br.to Gil
>>
>>  
>>
>> 2nd on left 
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P101.html>
>>  
>> Gracia; named spelled out as Bertolomeu Gil
>>
>>  
>>
>> 2nd on left 
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P126.html>Isabel;
>>  
>> it has name as Bermeu Gil
>>
>>  
>>
>> 3rd on right 
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P137.html>
>>  
>> Antoniol; It has name as Br.to  Gil
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:57:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
>>
>> Hello Doreen,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I realize that the index says the groom is Bartolomeu Gonçalves, but it 
>> sure looks like Gil to me instead of Glz.  I've also never seen Bartolomeu 
>> abbreviated like that but I don't know what else it could be.  I think this 
>> is the baptism of their first child and the name still seems to be Gil and 
>> has what might be a different abbreviation for Bartolomeu (I'm accustomed 
>> to "B.meu".) Maria, top right. 
>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1644-1690_item1/P80.html>
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 5:51:03 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
>>
>> Like Cheri says, ‘too much vino’ 
>>
>> Groom’s parents: Joao Goncalves, deceased and of his wife Maria Manuel 
>>
>> with Maria Nunes, daughter of Manuel Martins Berberea and of his wife 
>> Maria Nunes.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Margaret
>>
>> *From: *doreen...@gmail.com
>> *Sent: *July 30, 2019 2:21 PM
>> *To: *azo...@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage record 
>> ofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670
>>
>>  
>>
>> I need help reading this marriage record. If I follow the normal pattern 
>> it seems like the priest was not writing in a straight line. I thin it says 
>> the grooms parents are Joao Goncalves and Maria Marques. The bride’s 
>> parents would be Manuel Martins Berbereia and Maria Nunes. The problem is I 
>> can not find the groom’s parents’ marriage. So this is making me question 
>> whether I have handled the mismatched lines correctly. I’m think that my 
>> limitations in the Port

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage recordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670

[Bill Seidler]

I think Gracia's godparents are Alferes Sebastião Nunes, son of Simão 
Gonçalves, deceased; and Agueda de Luz, daughter of Capitão Francisco Lucas

For Manuel's godparents, I'm having a tough time.  Trying to follow the 
crooked lines it looks like Simão Gonçalves, deceased; and that doesn't 
make sense.  It is probably one of his sons just like it was for his sister 
Gracia.  The godmother looks like Maria Manuel, daughter of Manuel Nunes.

CURA is a title for a priest.





On Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 6:40:16 PM UTC-7, doreencaetano wrote:
>
> Wow. Thanks. I have spent the day reviewing these and putting them into my 
> database. I Have some additional information for you as well but would like 
> to start with my questions on what you sent me. 
>
> I’m having trouble reading Gracia and Manuel’s Godparents’ names. Can you 
> look at those and get back to me with what you think they are?
>
> I was wondering what the word “Cura” in front of the Joao’s godfather’s 
> name (Cura Roque Martins)?
>
>  
>
> Now Bartolomeu Gil and Maria Nunes had two more children:
>
>1. Antonio Martins was their son. He married Isabel do Rosario and 
>they had 7 children. Both had been married before. Antonio Martins had 
>married a woman named Maria Nunes 4/6/1711, 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P128.html.
>  
>Isabel do Rosario was married to Tome Borges2/1716, 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P10.html
>  
>. It appears to me that Isabel married Tome after Antonio died but still 
>need to locate his death record to confirm this information. It appear 
> that 
>Isabel was Antonio second wife and Maria Nunes is the mother of his 
>children but since I have not located the marriage record of Antonio and 
>Isabel I can not say that for a fact either. f you want their information 
>let me know.
>   1. Maria Borges born 5/3/1725 in Altares. I had the link but when I 
>   was copying it I deleted instead of copied so I will have to find it 
> again 
>   but record indicates that he is the child of Isabel and Thome.
>   2. Joao Goncalves Borges born 10/31/1726 and died 11/16/1799. 
>   Married Luzia da Conceicao in 1754 in Altares, 
>   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P146.html
>
> I have 4 children for them: Antonio Goncalves Borges, Rosa Maria, Joao 
> Goncalves Borges and Isabel de Jesus but records indicate that Joao is the 
> son of Isabel husband Thome.
>
>1. Francisco Borges born 3/17/1730 in Altares and is also a son of 
>   Isabel and Thome.
>   2. Manuel Coelho Borges born 6/3/1734 in Altares. Married a lady 
>   names Isabel according to child’s information Manuel is also a child of 
>   Isabel and Thome.
>   3. Antonio Borges born 4/28/1740 in Altares, 
>   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P150.html.
>  
>   Antonio is a child of Isabel and Thome.
>   4. Joao Martins Gil died before 1757 and was married in 1738 in 
>   Altares to Maria do Espirito Santo 
>   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P80.html.
>  
>   I have two children for them: Francisca Ignacia and Andre Martins. Joao 
> is 
>   the child of Antonio and Maria
>   5. Thome Martins Gil married Sebastiana Rosa do Sacramento in 
>   Altares 1744 
>   
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P112.html.Antonio
>  
>   is the child of Antonio and Maria.  I have two children for Thome and 
>   Sebastiana: Antonio Martins Gil and Rosa Joaquina.
>
>  
>
>1. Maria Nunes, who married Manuel Martins on 6/29/1698, 
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P75.html
>
> Hope this helps you as much as your information help me. Thanks Doreen
>
>  
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
>  
>
> *From: *Bill Seidler 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:33 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage 
> recordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670
>
>  
>
>  
>
> I believe this is the same person's obit right side bottom right 
> <http://cultur

RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage recordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670

[doreencaetano]

Wow. Thanks. I have spent the day reviewing these and putting them into my 
database. I Have some additional information for you as well but would like to 
start with my questions on what you sent me. 
I’m having trouble reading Gracia and Manuel’s Godparents’ names. Can you look 
at those and get back to me with what you think they are?
I was wondering what the word “Cura” in front of the Joao’s godfather’s name 
(Cura Roque Martins)?

Now Bartolomeu Gil and Maria Nunes had two more children:
1. Antonio Martins was their son. He married Isabel do Rosario and they had 7 
children. Both had been married before. Antonio Martins had married a woman 
named Maria Nunes 4/6/1711, 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P128.html.
 Isabel do Rosario was married to Tome Borges2/1716, 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P10.html
 . It appears to me that Isabel married Tome after Antonio died but still need 
to locate his death record to confirm this information. It appear that Isabel 
was Antonio second wife and Maria Nunes is the mother of his children but since 
I have not located the marriage record of Antonio and Isabel I can not say that 
for a fact either. f you want their information let me know.
a. Maria Borges born 5/3/1725 in Altares. I had the link but when I was copying 
it I deleted instead of copied so I will have to find it again but record 
indicates that he is the child of Isabel and Thome.
b. Joao Goncalves Borges born 10/31/1726 and died 11/16/1799. Married Luzia da 
Conceicao in 1754 in Altares, 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P146.html
I have 4 children for them: Antonio Goncalves Borges, Rosa Maria, Joao 
Goncalves Borges and Isabel de Jesus but records indicate that Joao is the son 
of Isabel husband Thome.
c. Francisco Borges born 3/17/1730 in Altares and is also a son of Isabel and 
Thome.
d. Manuel Coelho Borges born 6/3/1734 in Altares. Married a lady names Isabel 
according to child’s information Manuel is also a child of Isabel and Thome.
e. Antonio Borges born 4/28/1740 in Altares, 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1723-1745_item1/P150.html.
 Antonio is a child of Isabel and Thome.
f. Joao Martins Gil died before 1757 and was married in 1738 in Altares to 
Maria do Espirito Santo 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P80.html.
 I have two children for them: Francisca Ignacia and Andre Martins. Joao is the 
child of Antonio and Maria
g. Thome Martins Gil married Sebastiana Rosa do Sacramento in Altares 1744 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1713-1763_item1/P112.html.Antonio
 is the child of Antonio and Maria.  I have two children for Thome and 
Sebastiana: Antonio Martins Gil and Rosa Joaquina.

2. Maria Nunes, who married Manuel Martins on 6/29/1698, 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P75.html
Hope this helps you as much as your information help me. Thanks Doreen

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bill Seidler
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:33 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marriage 
recordofBartolomeu Goncalves and Maria Nunes from 1670


I believe this is the same person's obit right side bottom right.  It has 
Bartolomeu spelled out; last name Gil

Here is the marriage of the Maria in the above baptism: right side  This is the 
has Bartolomeu spelled out; last name Gil


left center  Manuel; it has father as Bermeu Gil

bottom left José;  It has Br.to Gil

2nd on left Gracia; named spelled out as Bertolomeu Gil

2nd on left Isabel; it has name as Bermeu Gil

3rd on right Antoniol; It has name as Br.to  Gil








On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 6:57:34 PM UTC-7, Bill Seidler wrote:
Hello Doreen,

I realize that the index says the groom is Bartolomeu Gonçalves, but it sure 
looks like Gil to me instead of Glz.  I've also never seen Bartolomeu 
abbreviated like that but I don't know what else it could be.  I think this is 
the baptism of their first child and the name still seems to be Gil and has 
what might be a different abbreviation for Bartolomeu (I'm accustomed to 
"B.meu".) Maria, top right.

Bill Seidler



On Tuesday, July 30, 2019 at 5:51:03 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote:
Like Cheri says, ‘too much vino’ 
Groom’s parents: Joao Goncalves, deceased and of his wife Maria Manuel 
with Maria Nunes, daughter of Manuel Martins Berberea and of his wife Maria 
Nunes.
 
Margaret
From: doreen...@gmail.com
Sent: July 30, 2019 2:21 PM
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading this Altares marri