Re: Battlestar Galactica renewed
Damon Agretto wrote: I love the new BSG. I really do. It has complex character development and a storyline that is mercifully bereft of the reset button at episode's end. But damn, would it be so hard to not have dumpsters in the background when shooting dialogue in some alien world's back alley? There's a lot of bits in the show like that that break suspension of disbelief. If you know your firearms, it happens every ep... Case in point: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot5.htm Worth reading and viewing if you read or watch fiction. xponent Still Locked Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 09:41 AM Sunday 11/27/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: Warren Ockrassa wrote: I love the new BSG. I really do. It has complex character development and a storyline that is mercifully bereft of the reset button at episode's end. But damn, would it be so hard to not have dumpsters in the background when shooting dialogue in some alien world's back alley? I have to disagree here. These are human worlds even if these people are not terrestrials, so why not dumpsters, shopping carts, wheels made of rubber, or even Doh!, doughnuts? Watching the show, I see no aliens, I see us. So if the solutions they use are often identical to solutions we use, what of it? Dumpsters are a design driven by pursuit of efficiency for the purpose of garbage collection. Why should we be surprised to see that garbage collection is done the same wherever humans live? I noticed the dumpsters on Caprica. I also saw cars, warehouses, streets, military vehicles and what-have-you, and have no doubts you might also see port-a-potties. In the scenes in question, buildings in the background are also typical 20th century warehouse/factory construction. Is this also problematic for you? It's not for me. Driving around my town, I can easily find buldings built in every decade of the last century, and know of one building still standing that was built in the mid 19th century. We have several here built in the early 19th century (though they are preservations to be quite honest). OK, having said all that and posed minor questions, let me make a more salient point here. Being involved in construction and having some awareness of the utility aspects of man made objects, I note that the older a building is the more likely it is to have been built with permanancy in mind. Newer buildings are constructed with a defined lifespan. In those terms, the WTC were temporary constructions as are all tall buildings built since.(And most before) This trend applies across the construction industry to all sorts of installations. From this, it should be understood that older buildings tend to stick around longer than newer buildings. So..in the Galactica universe, where the 12 worlds are all colonies, this effect would be exagerated. Buildings built soon after the establishment of a colony might still be in use over a much longer term, even though they are built to a more temporary standard. This to me, makes the dialogue scenes in front of 50s era warehouses more realistic than the scenes where someones idea of futuristic settings is edited into the background. Blade Runner is a very good example of how the past intrudes into the future to create a sense of realism that stays with you. So why not dumpsters? After a lengthy period of isolation, though, why should all of their artifacts look exactly like those found in contemporary North America? Even on Earth, you can tell a difference between the scenery, the clothing, etc., when you travel to Europe, Asia, Africa, . . ., even after centuries of contact and trade. Why should the people on a planet where the people have not had contact with Earth in so long that no one from either world knows of the other world except as an ancient legend just happen to wear suits and ties that look exactly like what some people on Earth wear, when styles in other parts of Earth and little more than a century ago in the parts of Earth where they are worn today look so different? --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Galactica renewed
At 09:44 AM Sunday 11/27/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: Damon Agretto wrote: I love the new BSG. I really do. It has complex character development and a storyline that is mercifully bereft of the reset button at episode's end. But damn, would it be so hard to not have dumpsters in the background when shooting dialogue in some alien world's back alley? There's a lot of bits in the show like that that break suspension of disbelief. If you know your firearms, it happens every ep... I was going to mention something about firearms, but figured not everyone might know enough about them for it to be that meaningful . . . --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: After a lengthy period of isolation, though, why should all of their artifacts look exactly like those found in contemporary North America? Even on Earth, you can tell a difference between the scenery, the clothing, etc., when you travel to Europe, Asia, Africa, . . ., even after centuries of contact and trade. I don't think that is a fair comparison really. On Earth, cultures developed in relative isolation for very long periods of time but are now becoming more and more monocultural as time passes. What is seen on BSG is a vast monoculture (for the greatest part the 12 colonies are almost identical) defined and evolving from its colonial origins. To some extent this development should parallel the development of the only example of cities carved out of virgin wilderness we have more than any examples we have of cities built on top of ancient cities as seen in our eastern hemisphere. How long does it take to fully develop a planetary colony? (I see evidence that the colonial planets are not fully developed and populated, and the total population of the entire polity is small multiples of earths population. Remember that 40 years in the past, the cylons had almost wiped out colonial civilisation.) This is a central question. How many different ways are there to transport garbage on a planet that is not fully populated? (All the evidence I've seen from the series points to the colonies being having much smaller populations than Earth [correct me if I'm wrong], and my speculation is that these are originally colonies *from* Earth since all the evidence shows that humans evolved here *first* and then emigrated, hence the lower populations.) This is a central question. Why should the people on a planet where the people have not had contact with Earth in so long that no one from either world knows of the other world except as an ancient legend just happen to wear suits and ties that look exactly like what some people on Earth wear, when styles in other parts of Earth and little more than a century ago in the parts of Earth where they are worn today look so different? See above. Of course there is another argument to be made. When you watch a biography of say...George Washingtons life, do you expect the actor to look *exactly* like George Washington? To sound exactly like George Washington? To *be* an exact copy of George Washington? Of course not! The actor is supposed to convey the *idea* of George Washington. In that sense, a terrestrial dumpster is supposed to convey the *idea* of a *pretend-makebelieve-doesn'texistintherealworld* dumpster. And yet another argument. If someone finds a dumpster jarring in a scene on pretend-Caprica, yet is not jarred by vehicles, asphalt, and average everyday warehouses also seen in the background, then ones suspension-of-disbelief is awfully selective. I'm pretty sure I know which scene Warren is speaking of and it reeked of ordinaryness of setting in turbulent times which I wouldn't doubt was intentional. Then too, my line of work brings me into contact with dumpsters on a regular and daily basis. Dumpsters are cheap, functional, and effective, and come in a variety of styles. I think you have to argue/show that there is a vastly different way to design dumpsters of equal or better utility that look nothing like our dumpsters in order to advance an argument that the BSG dumpsters are some sort of spatial twonky. Query: Are the events of BSG contemporary with *us* *now*? xponent Space Garbage Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 01:43 PM Sunday 11/27/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: After a lengthy period of isolation, though, why should all of their artifacts look exactly like those found in contemporary North America? Even on Earth, you can tell a difference between the scenery, the clothing, etc., when you travel to Europe, Asia, Africa, . . ., even after centuries of contact and trade. I don't think that is a fair comparison really. On Earth, cultures developed in relative isolation for very long periods of time but are now becoming more and more monocultural as time passes. What is seen on BSG is a vast monoculture (for the greatest part the 12 colonies are almost identical) defined and evolving from its colonial origins. Agreed. My point (which may not have been clear) is that the 12 colonies have been *** isolated from Earth*** for umpty-ump years . . . so howcum the fashions worn by the colonists are identical to what is being worn in a specific part of Earth (North America) right now? To some extent this development should parallel the development of the only example of cities carved out of virgin wilderness we have more than any examples we have of cities built on top of ancient cities as seen in our eastern hemisphere. How long does it take to fully develop a planetary colony? (I see evidence that the colonial planets are not fully developed and populated, and the total population of the entire polity is small multiples of earths population. Remember that 40 years in the past, the cylons had almost wiped out colonial civilisation.) This is a central question. How many different ways are there to transport garbage on a planet that is not fully populated? Some would say that television is a good method . . . :P (All the evidence I've seen from the series points to the colonies being having much smaller populations than Earth [correct me if I'm wrong], and my speculation is that these are originally colonies *from* Earth since all the evidence shows that humans evolved here *first* and then emigrated, hence the lower populations.) This is a central question. Why should the people on a planet where the people have not had contact with Earth in so long that no one from either world knows of the other world except as an ancient legend just happen to wear suits and ties that look exactly like what some people on Earth wear, when styles in other parts of Earth and little more than a century ago in the parts of Earth where they are worn today look so different? See above. Of course there is another argument to be made. When you watch a biography of say...George Washingtons life, do you expect the actor to look *exactly* like George Washington? To sound exactly like George Washington? To *be* an exact copy of George Washington? Of course not! The actor is supposed to convey the *idea* of George Washington. In that sense, a terrestrial dumpster is supposed to convey the *idea* of a *pretend-makebelieve-doesn'texistintherealworld* dumpster. And yet another argument. If someone finds a dumpster jarring in a scene on pretend-Caprica, yet is not jarred by vehicles, asphalt, and average everyday warehouses also seen in the background, then ones suspension-of-disbelief is awfully selective. I'm pretty sure I know which scene Warren is speaking of and it reeked of ordinaryness of setting in turbulent times which I wouldn't doubt was intentional. Then too, my line of work brings me into contact with dumpsters on a regular and daily basis. Dumpsters are cheap, functional, and effective, and come in a variety of styles. I think you have to argue/show that there is a vastly different way to design dumpsters of equal or better utility that look nothing like our dumpsters Are they Pepto-Bismol pink, like those belonging to one company here are? in order to advance an argument that the BSG dumpsters are some sort of spatial twonky. Query: Are the events of BSG contemporary with *us* *now*? xponent Space Garbage Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l --Ronn! :) Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance... UNDER GOD. Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said that is a prayer and that would be eliminated from schools too? -- Red Skelton ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Battlestar Galactica renewed
Rob said: If someone finds a dumpster jarring in a scene on pretend-Caprica, yet is not jarred by vehicles, asphalt, and average everyday warehouses also seen in the background, then ones suspension-of-disbelief is awfully selective. While we're at it, can't we have them all speaking Caprican (or whatever) with English subtitles? Rich GCU One Line Reply ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 01:43 PM Sunday 11/27/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: After a lengthy period of isolation, though, why should all of their artifacts look exactly like those found in contemporary North America? Even on Earth, you can tell a difference between the scenery, the clothing, etc., when you travel to Europe, Asia, Africa, . . ., even after centuries of contact and trade. I don't think that is a fair comparison really. On Earth, cultures developed in relative isolation for very long periods of time but are now becoming more and more monocultural as time passes. What is seen on BSG is a vast monoculture (for the greatest part the 12 colonies are almost identical) defined and evolving from its colonial origins. Agreed. My point (which may not have been clear) is that the 12 colonies have been *** isolated from Earth*** for umpty-ump years . . . so howcum the fashions worn by the colonists are identical to what is being worn in a specific part of Earth (North America) right now? I don't find the suits identical myself. They would look quite strange on the street here. It's the ties that get me. Why are there ties? The suit itself looks like a truncated version of the formal robes from the original series. The cut looks odd to say the least, and the colors are as out of place as the ties. Query: What are the cultural antecedents for ties and for suits? It would make an odder case for cultural parallelism than the case I make for dumpsters.G To some extent this development should parallel the development of the only example of cities carved out of virgin wilderness we have more than any examples we have of cities built on top of ancient cities as seen in our eastern hemisphere. How long does it take to fully develop a planetary colony? (I see evidence that the colonial planets are not fully developed and populated, and the total population of the entire polity is small multiples of earths population. Remember that 40 years in the past, the cylons had almost wiped out colonial civilisation.) This is a central question. How many different ways are there to transport garbage on a planet that is not fully populated? Some would say that television is a good method . . . :P And remakes are recycling? G (All the evidence I've seen from the series points to the colonies being having much smaller populations than Earth [correct me if I'm wrong], and my speculation is that these are originally colonies *from* Earth since all the evidence shows that humans evolved here *first* and then emigrated, hence the lower populations.) This is a central question. Why should the people on a planet where the people have not had contact with Earth in so long that no one from either world knows of the other world except as an ancient legend just happen to wear suits and ties that look exactly like what some people on Earth wear, when styles in other parts of Earth and little more than a century ago in the parts of Earth where they are worn today look so different? See above. Of course there is another argument to be made. When you watch a biography of say...George Washingtons life, do you expect the actor to look *exactly* like George Washington? To sound exactly like George Washington? To *be* an exact copy of George Washington? Of course not! The actor is supposed to convey the *idea* of George Washington. In that sense, a terrestrial dumpster is supposed to convey the *idea* of a *pretend-makebelieve-doesn'texistintherealworld* dumpster. And yet another argument. If someone finds a dumpster jarring in a scene on pretend-Caprica, yet is not jarred by vehicles, asphalt, and average everyday warehouses also seen in the background, then ones suspension-of-disbelief is awfully selective. I'm pretty sure I know which scene Warren is speaking of and it reeked of ordinaryness of setting in turbulent times which I wouldn't doubt was intentional. Then too, my line of work brings me into contact with dumpsters on a regular and daily basis. Dumpsters are cheap, functional, and effective, and come in a variety of styles. I think you have to argue/show that there is a vastly different way to design dumpsters of equal or better utility that look nothing like our dumpsters Are they Pepto-Bismol pink, like those belonging to one company here are? The ones I see come in a variety of colors depending on the vendor and how long they have been onsite and if they have ever been set afire. xponent Contemporaneous? Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Richard Baker wrote: Rob said: If someone finds a dumpster jarring in a scene on pretend-Caprica, yet is not jarred by vehicles, asphalt, and average everyday warehouses also seen in the background, then ones suspension-of-disbelief is awfully selective. While we're at it, can't we have them all speaking Caprican (or whatever) with English subtitles? Further, they have been seperated from us for long enough for there to be distinct ethniciation. Where are their ethnics that are distinct from Earths ethnics? Perhaps there has been time for race derivation. Why are there none of those? (Is 50,000 years long enough to produce distinct differences in populations that are visibly noticeable? I think the evidence from animal husbandry and pet husbandryG would say yes, but that is from *directed* breeding. Would such distinctions arise from more random patterns of breeding?) xponent Time For Changes Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Robert Seeberger wrote: I don't find the suits identical myself. They would look quite strange on the street here. It's the ties that get me. Why are there ties? The suit itself looks like a truncated version of the formal robes from the original series. The cut looks odd to say the least, and the colors are as out of place as the ties. Query: What are the cultural antecedents for ties and for suits? Can't help on the suits right now. Check out http://www.twilightbridge.com/hobbies/festivals/father/necktie.htm and http://www.shop-usa.info/TIE_HISTORY/tie_history.html about the ties, see if those help at all. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa Sent: November 27, 2005 2:24 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Battlestar Galactica renewed On Nov 22, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Kevin Street wrote: William T Goodall quoted: SCI FI Channel announced that it has renewed its original series Battlestar Galactica for a third season. Production on the 20-episode order is slated to begin in Vancouver, Canada, in February 2006 for premiere later in the year, the network said. This is great news, but it's kind of ironic too. The series is shot here in Canada, but we won't get to see the second season until January... I thought it was funny watching SI when Boomer was getting her ass kicked on the roof of some warehouse in Calgary or Toronto, wondering how the producers had managed to get just the right angle to make the city look like Caprica. The other good one was an OTS shot that showed a radio tower with a huge W on top of it. W what? I love the new BSG. I really do. It has complex character development and a storyline that is mercifully bereft of the reset button at episode's end. But damn, would it be so hard to not have dumpsters in the background when shooting dialogue in some alien world's back alley? -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Storms_on_a_Flat_Placid_Sea.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l filmed in Vancouver BC. The W on that radio tower is a historical structure in Vancouver... not far from UBC campus if IIRC... and the building its on is part of a student housing and shop complex. nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Nov 22, 2005, at 4:09 PM, Kevin Street wrote: William T Goodall quoted: SCI FI Channel announced that it has renewed its original series Battlestar Galactica for a third season. Production on the 20-episode order is slated to begin in Vancouver, Canada, in February 2006 for premiere later in the year, the network said. This is great news, but it's kind of ironic too. The series is shot here in Canada, but we won't get to see the second season until January... I thought it was funny watching SI when Boomer was getting her ass kicked on the roof of some warehouse in Calgary or Toronto, wondering how the producers had managed to get just the right angle to make the city look like Caprica. The other good one was an OTS shot that showed a radio tower with a huge W on top of it. W what? I love the new BSG. I really do. It has complex character development and a storyline that is mercifully bereft of the reset button at episode's end. But damn, would it be so hard to not have dumpsters in the background when shooting dialogue in some alien world's back alley? -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf http://books.nightwares.com/ockrassa/Storms_on_a_Flat_Placid_Sea.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I love the new BSG. I really do. It has complex character development and a storyline that is mercifully bereft of the reset button at episode's end. But damn, would it be so hard to not have dumpsters in the background when shooting dialogue in some alien world's back alley? There's a lot of bits in the show like that that break suspension of disbelief. If you know your firearms, it happens every ep... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Bandai's Pz.H auf GWII (105mm) Wespe -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.8/183 - Release Date: 11/25/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Battlestar Galactica renewed
William T Goodall quoted: SCI FI Channel announced that it has renewed its original series Battlestar Galactica for a third season. Production on the 20-episode order is slated to begin in Vancouver, Canada, in February 2006 for premiere later in the year, the network said. This is great news, but it's kind of ironic too. The series is shot here in Canada, but we won't get to see the second season until January... Kevin Street -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.5/178 - Release Date: 11/22/2005 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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(Update) 20 new episodes, shooting starts in March with new eps airing in the US in the summer. No news of when SKY will show them in the UK - probably with a later start given their preference for avoiding repeats and hiatuses. SPOILER ALERT! The linked story has some spoilerish casting information. http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?id=30466 -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ 'The true sausage buff will sooner or later want his own meat grinder.' -- Jack Schmidling ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Behalf Of Gary Denton The first series didn't crib only or mostly from the Mormons. It often has general religious names and beliefs from thousands of years ago. It was a reinforcement of the mythology of the series that they are descendent's of a lost advanced society on earth. Or alternately that they would settle Earth thousand of years ago and their beliefs would enter into our history. After the first couple episodes I like most people gave up on the original BS Gal. Gave up on it after a few episodes? You, obviously, were not 12 at the time and crazed about anything Star Warsy in nature! O, I think I may have dated myself there... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Feb 13, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: I think in the old series the Cylons were the robotic soldiers of a dead race. IIRC the original Cylons were lizards or something... My recall of it's vague too, but I believe the centurions had only one brain lobe and the Imperious Leader had three; there was a two-lobed version that never appeared in the series as well. (This is from one of the books, actually.) There was something about the Cylons that made me think of Daleks, and it might have had something to do with degenerate mutations. Also, didn't they spend an inordinate amount of time watching Fox News Channel? -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Warren said: My recall of it's vague too, but I believe the centurions had only one brain lobe and the Imperious Leader had three; there was a two-lobed version that never appeared in the series as well. Was the Imperious Leader the more human-looking one with the conical(?) head? Or was that an intermediate caste? Also, didn't they spend an inordinate amount of time watching Fox News Channel? No, that last part was Babylon 5 not Battlestar Galactica. Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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At 11:04 AM Monday 2/14/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Feb 13, 2005, at 3:40 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: I think in the old series the Cylons were the robotic soldiers of a dead race. IIRC the original Cylons were lizards or something... My recall of it's vague too, but I believe the centurions had only one brain lobe and the Imperious Leader had three; there was a two-lobed version that never appeared in the series as well. I suppose that explains why they have three Cylons in their fighters, and that Cylon pilot in one episode reported that We were taking a vote when the ground came up and hit us. --Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Feb 14, 2005, at 12:50 PM, Richard Baker wrote: Warren said: My recall of it's vague too, but I believe the centurions had only one brain lobe and the Imperious Leader had three; there was a two-lobed version that never appeared in the series as well. Was the Imperious Leader the more human-looking one with the conical(?) head? Or was that an intermediate caste? I think the IL was the humanoid one, yeah, with the weird red coral (?) growing from his skull. Also, didn't they spend an inordinate amount of time watching Fox News Channel? No, that last part was Babylon 5 not Battlestar Galactica. Oh, right, I'm thinking of the Shadows. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:04 AM Monday 2/14/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote: My recall of it's vague too, but I believe the centurions had only one brain lobe and the Imperious Leader had three; there was a two-lobed version that never appeared in the series as well. I suppose that explains why they have three Cylons in their fighters, and that Cylon pilot in one episode reported that We were taking a vote when the ground came up and hit us. Was that really a line? (I wouldn't be surprised) -- but yeah, that was the reason there were three Cylons in a raider. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I don't recall that in the original series there was much emphasis being made on the idea of the Cylons being created by humans? Is that just my fuzzy old memory, or is this whole Terminator kind of theme peculiar to the new series? I think in the old series the Cylons were the robotic soldiers of a dead race. IIRC the original Cylons were lizards or something... Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: UM's PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. C ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:28:04 -0600, Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Damon Agretto wrote: Which of course one should be willing to suspend in order to enjoy SF. I personally like how they're handling this aspect. Different enough from most other SF shows that have been on TV or the movies. Nothing original (and fans of Anime have seen this before), but no less plausable than warpspeed and the like... It's essentially Asimov's Foundation FTL drive, the hyperspace Jump. It takes a lot of time to calculate the right settings, then the jump to the next location is instantantaneous. It's hard to do a space show without FTL, so at least they're not zipping around the universe willy-nilly. There are real limits to how quickly you can get to the next point in your journey. it is much better than the original series which took a tragic and remarkable idea and turned it into a weekly light adventure show with pretty poor acting. This series is at least showing that they are refugees from genocide and are often having a tough time dealing with that. The first series didn't crib only or mostly from the Mormons. It often has general religious names and beliefs from thousands of years ago. It was a reinforcement of the mythology of the series that they are descendent's of a lost advanced society on earth. Or alternately that they would settle Earth thousand of years ago and their beliefs would enter into our history. After the first couple episodes I like most people gave up on the original BS Gal. I think it is a reasonable space drive, hyper jumps of some unknow but limited range, but don't see how the fleet is being tracked. I have missed a number of episodes and may have missed the technobabble.. -- Gary Denton Easter Lemming Liberal News ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I think it is a reasonable space drive, hyper jumps of some unknow but limited range, but don't see how the fleet is being tracked. I have missed a number of episodes and may have missed the technobabble.. The fleet ISN'T being tracked, as far as we know (or, the evidence doesn't point that way). It WAS being tracked in the 1st regular season episode, but the nixed that pretty well. So far the Cylons are trying to find the fleet the old fashioned, hard way...by sending scouts out to look for them. Of course, there's that little secret so maybe they ARE, but aren't attacking...yet. Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: UM's PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. C ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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I'm all full of TV happiness :) -- William T Goodall as am i...as am i. i jsut hope i dont have to wait tillnext january for teh shows to aired on skyone... as i have already seen this entire season Nick I love StarBuck Lidster ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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--- Nick Lidster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm all full of TV happiness :) -- William T Goodall as am i...as am i. me three! I was never exposed to the original series, but I'm loving BG so far - it has a wonderful B5 feel to the darkness. ..AND isn't it nice to see the same special effects shop that did Firefly getting work? They do some wonderful techniques. i jsut hope i dont have to wait tillnext january for teh shows to aired on skyone... as i have already seen this entire season BitTorrent, anyone? -k- __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Feb 10, 2005, at 12:29 PM, kerri miller wrote: I was never exposed to the original series, but I'm loving BG so far - it has a wonderful B5 feel to the darkness. The original series was OK in some respects, but *awfully* silly in many others. Much of the mythology mentioned in it was lifted more or less wholesale from Mormon beliefs, which made more than a few Mormons upset. I don't know if it was out of a sense of their beliefs being mocked or disrespected, or because in the context of the series the beliefs made sense, more or less -- but when promoted by the LDS church as truth, the image of Lorne Greene solemnly making declarations about sealing and such was what prospective new members ended up with rather than the sense of awe that the LDS church preferred. On top of that the FX were ... well, the scenes were *tolerable* but the same footage kept getting used over and over. Obvious budget issues. And the hair ... oh my, 1970s disco hair. Every. Where. Not as bad as _Buck Rogers_, but still, pretty bad. If you're in the mood for a giggle, rent the movie sometime to get a feel for what the series entailed. and note the changes; there are many, most of them improvements. AND isn't it nice to see the same special effects shop that did Firefly getting work? They do some wonderful techniques. They do. It's nice seeing an RCS on a spacecraft rather than traditional atmospheric maneuvering techniques, and using projectile weapons instead of beam type devices makes the whole thing a little more grounded in what we like to think of as reality. (Of course the lightspeed stuff is another matter...) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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(Of course the lightspeed stuff is another matter...) Which of course one should be willing to suspend in order to enjoy SF. I personally like how they're handling this aspect. Different enough from most other SF shows that have been on TV or the movies. Nothing original (and fans of Anime have seen this before), but no less plausable than warpspeed and the like... Damon. = Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: Revell Germany's M60A3 __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On Feb 10, 2005, at 1:49 PM, kerri miller wrote: Wouldn't it be cool to have a show where the cast changed every week because it took them 14 generations to get to the next star system? That might be a stretch for most viewers, but a multiple year arc a la B5 or possibly in the spirit of _Robotech_ might be intriguing. Season 1 is the departure; season 2 is the transition phase with a whole new cast (plus cameos from age-makeup'd season 1 oldsters); season 3 is the arrival, with another cast. All 3 seasons would have plenty of room for adventure and lots of fun for set design as the once-pristine craft becomes aged, patched and takes on a lived-in look. And later seasons could have other cameos from the previous years in holographic avatar form or whatever -- recordings of earlier inhabitants used for reference or something. (My, I just realized I'm borrowing a little from Alastair Reynolds here, but I kind of like the idea.) Season 4 could be the well-established colony launching another craft for the generational return to Earth, with some of the crewmembers, being the great-grands (etc.) of the originals, the same cast from the first season (family resemblance). Hmm. Someone get someone on the phone. ;) -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror http://www.nightwares.com/books/ockrassa/Flat_Out.pdf ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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William T Goodall wrote: SCI FI Channel has ordered a second season of its hit series Battlestar Galactica, which has aired five episodes of its first season of 13 episodes. Details of the renewalincluding which cast members will return, how many episodes will be produced and when the second season will commencewere still being worked out at press time. Battlestar Galactica has been a ratings winner for SCI FI since its Jan. 14 premiere. The latest episode, Feb. 4's You Can't Go Home Again, scored the show's best ratings yet, with 3.2 million viewers. For the show's second season, creator and executive producer Ronald D. Moore previously told SCI FI Wire that he has already been working on as many as six new scripts to resolve the multiple cliffhangers that will end season one. Moore added that he wants to delve deeper into the show's religious themes and open up the Cylon world a bit more in the coming season. Moore continues to post his thoughts on a personal blog on SCIFI.COM. Battlestar Galactica airs Fridays at 10 p.m. ET/PT, part of the channel's SCI FI Fridays lineup. -- Call me an old fart, but when I was growing up, series used to produce 26-30 episodes a year. Now we' re happy with 13, and they probably won't be in consecutive weeks. George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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kerri miller asked: Wouldn't it be cool to have a show where the cast changed every week because it took them 14 generations to get to the next star system? --- That WOULD be cool and COULD be very interesting, if done well. Maybe not change the cast every week, but aperiodically during the season or at the end of the season. There wouldn't be too many season-ending cliffhangers tho'. Too easy to say (write), The rupture in Dock 13? Oh, that was repaired 55 years ago. There aren't many left who really remember it. I said if done well. The problem would be twofold. First, actors, like sports stars, would like long term contracts, but this is not insurrmountable. Second, SF series are rarely written by SF writers, but professional TV writers with directions from upstairs. I think they would ruin the show pretty quickly. George A ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Call me an old fart, but when I was growing up, series used to produce 26-30 episodes a year. Now we' re happy with 13, and they probably won't be in consecutive weeks. Yeah, but the series started mid-season. Normal seasons include 24 episodes. Damon. Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum. http://www.geocities.com/garrand.geo/index.html Now Building: UM's PzKpfw 38(t) Ausf. C ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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-- Call me an old fart, but when I was growing up, series used to produce 26-30 episodes a year. Now we' re happy with 13, and they probably won't be in consecutive weeks. George A well when aired on SkyOne the only break was over christmas... and that was for 3 weeks. However who knows how SciFi will air them. and kerri with teh multinationalism of this list, im sure there are several memebrs that have seen the entire season. tho your assumption of BitTorrent is correct in my case :) jsut couldnt wait till january to start watching it, well more or less i was looking for teh miniseries to show a friend, and i came across ep01, and ep02, and aftera little searching discovered that it was airing in the UK. Temtation was made so here I stand waiting to find out when it will be aired on Skyone again for season 2 ;) Nick I would not have lasted 40 days in the Desert Lidster ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Nick Lidster wrote: and kerri with teh multinationalism of this list, im sure there are several memebrs that have seen the entire season. You'd think the networks would be more aware of how much these shows are being propagated around the world ahead of various broadcast dates, especially among Sci-Fi fans. We are currently being blitzed with advertising for the coming soon BG Mini-series, without even a hint of the series (which I thought they'd mention to motivate people to watch the mini-series in case they want to watch the series) Australia is ahead of the rest of the world in Stargate SG-1, but never heard of Atlantis (even though I believe SciFi is trying to keep them more or less parallel) We are days behind US in some shows, weeks ahead in some, and years behind in others, but shows are available for download within hours of their broadcast in either the US or the UK. It's getting to where it is easier to watch downloads/DVD imports than TV. Cheers Russell C. --- This email (including any attachments) is confidential and copyright. The School makes no warranty about the content of this email. Unless expressly stated, this email does not bind the School and does not necessarily constitute the opinion of the School. If you have received this email in error, please delete it and notify the sender. --- GWAVAsig ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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On 10 Feb 2005, at 10:39 pm, Damon Agretto wrote: Call me an old fart, but when I was growing up, series used to produce 26-30 episodes a year. Now we' re happy with 13, and they probably won't be in consecutive weeks. Yeah, but the series started mid-season. Normal seasons include 24 episodes. Most US shows I can think of recently have 22. And some are down to 20. -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : http://radio.weblogs.com/0111221/ A bad thing done for a good cause is still a bad thing. It's why so few people slap their political opponents. That, and because slapping looks so silly. - Randy Cohen. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Damon Agretto wrote: Which of course one should be willing to suspend in order to enjoy SF. I personally like how they're handling this aspect. Different enough from most other SF shows that have been on TV or the movies. Nothing original (and fans of Anime have seen this before), but no less plausable than warpspeed and the like... It's essentially Asimov's Foundation FTL drive, the hyperspace Jump. It takes a lot of time to calculate the right settings, then the jump to the next location is instantantaneous. It's hard to do a space show without FTL, so at least they're not zipping around the universe willy-nilly. There are real limits to how quickly you can get to the next point in your journey. __ Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brin-L list pages .. http://www.brin-l.org Science Fiction-themed online store . http://www.sloan3d.com/store Chmeee's 3D Objects http://www.sloan3d.com/chmeee 3D and Drawing Galleries .. http://www.sloansteady.com Software Science Fiction, Science, and Computer Links Science fiction scans . http://www.sloan3d.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
