Stus-List C hull-deck joint & windows

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Interesting point about the Ericson window issue - while C has changed
window designs a few times, Ericsons maintained the same frames for most of
their production, and they do seem to develop leaks. The boats with not
teak around the windows have aged well, but I've seen many newer ones with
lots of teak where the wood around the windows was badly stained. Of the
boats I've looked at, both C and Ericson seem to be guilty of not always
bedding fittings sufficiently well, or using backing plates, at least on
the earlier boats (70s). This '74 35-2 only has washers under the winches
and other fittings; no backing plates appear to have been used. No signs of
gelcoat cracking anywhere though.

I was quite surprised to find the original windows on this 35-2 don't
appear to leak, at least after a day of moderate wet coast rain. Driving
rain or spray might be different.

I did sponge out the bilge on our first visit, and after 24 hrs of rain,
there was only a tiny bit more water from the bow, probably from the anchor
locker.

Thanks for all the replies. I'm still struggling with the decision, so I
may be crazy, since enough people have told me to walk away!

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:22 PM Rick Brass via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the
> Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of
> Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being
> wet boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull
> to deck joint might be solid (but you should look in a C owners’ manual
> on the photo album at the diagram of the C hull to deck), but most of the
> Ericksons I looked at showed signs of water inside. A friend has had to
> completely replace the cabin sole on his Erickson 38 – which delaminated on
> the top from water coming through the deck instead of on the bottom from
> water collecting in the bilge.
>
>
>
> The C 25 I bought in 1994 is dry enough that it does not have an
> electric bilge pump. Every 6 months or so I dry out the bilge with a couple
> of strokes on the manual pump and a sponge.
>
>
>
> Rick Brass
>
> Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47
>
> la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225
>
> Washington, NC
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List]

Hi Charlie,
never thought I could throw an anchor far enough to work as a kedge.

I've run aground many times with our old 7'4" fin keel, and our newer 6' 3" fin 
keel. The advantage of a fin is that when you do hit bottom, you remain very 
upright. And the fin presents so little area that we we usually just back out 
or spin off. The rudder is only 5' deep so we can usually just spin around and 
power out of the shallows. In fifteen years owning the boat, the longest I've 
been stuck aground was 45 minutes. My son and I had dinner waiting for the tide 
to float us off in a very narrow channel.

I wonder if a better way to get off is to run a dinghy out from the side of the 
boat and tug on a halyard. That would heel the boat and reduce your draft a 
great deal and help you power off.

I've never tried it, but I bought a diver's lift bag that is meant to lift 
1000# using air. My intention was to tie it to a halyard run through the boom 
end, swing that out as far as possible and lower it into the water to gather 
weight and haul it up to heel the boat. That should create enough heel to 
reduce my draft by two feet, so I can motor off.

Opinion: The Fortress anchors are very cool and well engineered and light, but 
I gave mine away after seeing how difficult they are to set. I presently have a 
Delta on the bow, and two old Danforths as backups stowed below.

Chuck, Resolute, 1990 C 34/36R

> On April 24, 2019 at 9:34 PM Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> 
> 
> I recently moved my boat from CRW to New Bern, NC via the ICW. Several 
> times we ran aground either because skipper error or shifting shoals that are 
> impossible to keep up with unless you sail in them often.
> 
> Not surprisingly our Fortress 11 was pretty useless in grabbing the 
> bottom when thrown as far as I could manage! They need to be dropped and then 
> backed down on to grab the bottom--pulling them in after a toss just doesn't 
> allow them to properly set.
> 
> My crew suggested I get about a 5 lb. danforth that can be thrown pretty 
> far but that will set better than a Fortress that tends to skip along the 
> bottom in those circumstances.
> 
> My question for the list is what 'throwable' anchor for this situation 
> would you recommend?
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
> See situations would you recommends?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Dennis;

 

I thought that the process on an LST was to drop the kedge anchor on the way 
into the shore so it was in place already when you wanted to get the h#ll out 
of Dodge after unloading the grunts.

 

Charlie;

 

My kedge anchor/lunch hook is a Fortress FX25 on 30 feet of chain on a nylon 
rode. And I took it out with the dinghy and dropped it on the only occasion I 
actually needed it.

 

For ICW passages I keep a copy of Active Captain running on an iPad near the 
helm. The hazard warnings are pretty much up to date, with the latest info 
updated every few days. Another source is to look at the Salty Southeast 
Cruisers’ Net for an upcoming segment on the night before you do a passage. You 
can also find ACE and USCG surveys for most of the problem stretches.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:33 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

 

I'm not convinced you can throw an anchor far enough to kedge.  You wouldn't 
have a lot of scope and you'd be pulling up rather than horizontally.  

 

I've always thought that kedging was best accomplished by hauling an anchor 
well away from the boat with a dinghy or floating it out on a PFD.

 

I was on an old LST in the Navy.  After we beached the ship bow first, we would 
lower a stern anchor down and tie it to a couple of large timbers tied between 
two Higgins Papa boats.  (A Papa boat is the one usually shown in Marine 
storming the beach films where the ramp drops down and the Marines charge 
ashore.)  The Papa boats would carry the anchor out a hundred yards or so and a 
bosun mate would cut the line with an axe.  Then we'd pull the ship off the 
beach with the stern anchor.  Now THAT's kedging.

 

Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

 

 

 

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:35 PM Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

I recently moved my boat from CRW to New Bern, NC via the ICW. Several times we 
ran aground either because skipper error or shifting shoals that are impossible 
to keep up with unless you sail in them often.

Not surprisingly our Fortress 11 was pretty useless in grabbing the bottom when 
thrown as far as I could manage! They need to be dropped and then backed down 
on to grab the bottom--pulling them in after a toss just doesn't allow them to 
properly set.

My crew suggested I get about a 5 lb. danforth that can be thrown pretty far 
but that will set better than a Fortress that tends to skip along the bottom in 
those circumstances.

My question for the list is what 'throwable' anchor for this situation would 
you recommend?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb
See situations would you recommends?











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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

When I was boat shopping for my first keel boat (in the mid-90s in the 
Chesapeake and along the Jersey Shore) I was attracted to a couple of 
Ericksons. I didn’t buy them because of the reputation they have of being wet 
boats – with problems of hardware bedding, window leaks, etc. The hull to deck 
joint might be solid (but you should look in a C owners’ manual on the photo 
album at the diagram of the C hull to deck), but most of the Ericksons I 
looked at showed signs of water inside. A friend has had to completely replace 
the cabin sole on his Erickson 38 – which delaminated on the top from water 
coming through the deck instead of on the bottom from water collecting in the 
bilge.

 

The C 25 I bought in 1994 is dry enough that it does not have an electric 
bilge pump. Every 6 months or so I dry out the bilge with a couple of strokes 
on the manual pump and a sponge.

 

Rick Brass

Imzadi  C 38 mk2 #47

la Belle Aurore  C 25 mk1 #225

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:38 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

 

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for 
offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now) 
that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues. 

re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for 
months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof 
(outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take this 35 
into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner wasn't game 
for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it if I get a 
chance.

 

Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!

 

 

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I couldn't find my digital copy of the file so I had to make another.  I
apologize for the relatively poor quality.  The readability leaves
something to be desired as well since it is formated for a magazine.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fyLKgkAzk36kq2tUUxg84yaWjqhGfcc/view?usp=drivesdk

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 7:05 PM Josh Muckley  wrote:

> 1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is
> that.
>
> My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally
> well built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water
> boats?"  I would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other
> similar sized boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot
> forward of the keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the
> right wave height and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the
> racer-cruiser an as a result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer
> but as a cruiser often had shorter than appropriate keels.
>
> Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater
> boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are
> stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15
> kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not
> where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and
> sell later.
>
> I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it
> I'll forward it to you.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about taking it offshore?
>>
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
>> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
>> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
>> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>
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>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I am with Dennis on that. I don’t believe there is an anchor that you can throw 
by hand far enough to use for kedging.

I have been in a similar situation (very long time ago) and we used a PFD and 
some floor planks to ferry the anchor far enough to get us off the shoal (a 
number of times, way too many for my liking). Even with the help of that 
jerry-rigged platform it wasn’t an easy thing.

Marek

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Dennis C. via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 22:33
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

I'm not convinced you can throw an anchor far enough to kedge.  You wouldn't 
have a lot of scope and you'd be pulling up rather than horizontally.

I've always thought that kedging was best accomplished by hauling an anchor 
well away from the boat with a dinghy or floating it out on a PFD.

I was on an old LST in the Navy.  After we beached the ship bow first, we would 
lower a stern anchor down and tie it to a couple of large timbers tied between 
two Higgins Papa boats.  (A Papa boat is the one usually shown in Marine 
storming the beach films where the ramp drops down and the Marines charge 
ashore.)  The Papa boats would carry the anchor out a hundred yards or so and a 
bosun mate would cut the line with an axe.  Then we'd pull the ship off the 
beach with the stern anchor.  Now THAT's kedging.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 8:35 PM Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I recently moved my boat from CRW to New Bern, NC via the ICW. Several times we 
ran aground either because skipper error or shifting shoals that are impossible 
to keep up with unless you sail in them often.

Not surprisingly our Fortress 11 was pretty useless in grabbing the bottom when 
thrown as far as I could manage! They need to be dropped and then backed down 
on to grab the bottom--pulling them in after a toss just doesn't allow them to 
properly set.

My crew suggested I get about a 5 lb. danforth that can be thrown pretty far 
but that will set better than a Fortress that tends to skip along the bottom in 
those circumstances.

My question for the list is what 'throwable' anchor for this situation would 
you recommend?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb
See situations would you recommends?











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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

There seem to be two schools of thought about what makes a good passage making 
boat.

 

Traditionalists prefer something big, heavy and slow. So you can carry a lot of 
food, water, and spares on long passages, and so you can survive the bad 
weather that invariably will catch up with you.

 

The other view is a preference for something large enough for stores, 
well-built enough for safety, and fast enough that (with modern weather 
routing) you can sail away from bad weather.

 

My C 38 falls into the second category. When I get around to a couple of 
planned projects to add wind and solar, and upgrade the communications, I plan 
to go to the Med. I have no desire to sail her across the Atlantic on her own 
bottom (For a few grand I can send her to Mallorca on a transport ship, sail 
the Med, and come home to the Caribbean with the ARC). But I know of a couple 
of 38s and at least one 38LF that have been around the world. So I’m sure she 
would handle the Atlantic crossing.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

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Hickson via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 8:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Barbara L. Hickson 
Subject: Stus-List C as offshore boat

 

 

I’ve always read that all C were “coastal cruisers”.  The odd boat that 
lands in New Zealand or the Med were lucky with weather windows but I 
personally would not bank on traveling the world in any of them. Too light in 
build compared to other true offshore boats. I sailed to Bermuda to Brazil thru 
the  Caribbean in a British built Bowman and never felt safer even in 50 mph 
gales. Would never do that in my 33. Great boat tho and have sailed her from 
Savannah to the  Chesapeake and back. 

 

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Re: Stus-List Shawn's delimma

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Same exact boat here as you know Dave, so I will pony up  for all those parts 
and pieces for sure ! :) 
But Please don’t go anywhere except more  sailing!

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:29 PM, Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Shawn, I failed to answer one of your questions. And rather than extend the 
long thread, I’ll post this and then be done.

Your questions was: "What do you think she would sell for today? “

I’m afraid the answer truthfully, is, nothing.

“Ronin" is in bits and pieces and in varying stages of re-assembly. Mast off, 
keel propped up next to it, hardware, cabinetry and parts either on the boat or 
in my shed. If I were to drop dead tonight and my wife had to dispose of it, 
well, that would be difficult if not impossible. There are no buyers for such a 
project/hobby.

I never, ever dwell on the sale price of “Ronin”. When she’s done and back in 
the water we will sail her as much as possible and then sell her for whatever 
someone will pony up. It’s not factor in our boat owning equation. We’ve sailed 
her for years and enjoyed every minute of it.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue 
Refit

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks for all the great replies. Interesting about the 30-1 setup for
offshore. There is one in Victoria selling for $55K (for almost a year now)
that the owner put over 50K into, but never left due to health issues.
re: the hull-deck joint. This is one reason I was looking at Ericsons for
months, as their glassed over joint is said to be very strong and leakproof
(outward facing flange, with inside glassed over). I was hoping to take
this 35 into some big waves to test the joint for leakage, but the owner
wasn't game for it. There is a hose at the slip, so I might try spraying it
if I get a chance.

Still pondering things tonight. Thanks everyone!


On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 6:03 PM Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.
>
> Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina
> 390 next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port
> Berkeley, CA.  I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this
> mail list as far as I know, but is on the C owners’ Facebook group.  He
> said he’d sailed her from the West Coast to Hawaii and back.  We didn’t
> discuss what kind of conditions he encountered.  But he did say that in
> preparation he’d resealed the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me
> wonder if that’s the right material for that job).  His boat was also set
> up with a self-steering wind vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker.
>
> I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C in marinas at Harbor Island, San
> Diego, but have no idea if or where those boats have sailed.  Maybe down
> Mexico way.
>
> As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at
> Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before
> getting hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to
> douse the main safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get
> into the slip.  Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake.  So all that
> doesn’t really apply to your question.  But having said that, I chartered a
> Bali 4.5 cat in the BVI a few weeks ago.  We had some 25kt days, with 6’
> wind waves, and another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to
> sail Grenadine down there.  I’m sure she would have handled it just fine,
> and loved it.  Didn’t happen to see any C on that trip, and not for lack
> of looking.
>
> Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is
> that.
>
> My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally
> well built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water
> boats?"  I would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other
> similar sized boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot
> forward of the keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the
> right wave height and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the
> racer-cruiser an as a result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer
> but as a cruiser often had shorter than appropriate keels.
>
> Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater
> boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are
> stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15
> kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not
> where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and
> sell later.
>
> I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it
> I'll forward it to you.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about taking it offshore?
>>
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
>> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
>> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
>> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Welcome back Charlie ! Sorry I have only touched a bit in Whittaker creek so no 
kedging yet. But I do have the danforth in the lazzarette  so following along.  
See you in Oriental,  any plans to swing by for a few Wed nights?

John Conklin 
S/V Halcyon 

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 9:34 PM, Charles Nelson via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I recently moved my boat from CRW to New Bern, NC via the ICW. Several times 
> we ran aground either because skipper error or shifting shoals that are 
> impossible to keep up with unless you sail in them often.
> 
> Not surprisingly our Fortress 11 was pretty useless in grabbing the bottom 
> when thrown as far as I could manage! They need to be dropped and then backed 
> down on to grab the bottom--pulling them in after a toss just doesn't allow 
> them to properly set.
> 
> My crew suggested I get about a 5 lb. danforth that can be thrown pretty far 
> but that will set better than a Fortress that tends to skip along the bottom 
> in those circumstances.
> 
> My question for the list is what 'throwable' anchor for this situation would 
> you recommend?
> 
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
> See situations would you recommends?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'm not convinced you can throw an anchor far enough to kedge.  You
wouldn't have a lot of scope and you'd be pulling up rather than
horizontally.

I've always thought that kedging was best accomplished by hauling an anchor
well away from the boat with a dinghy or floating it out on a PFD.

I was on an old LST in the Navy.  After we beached the ship bow first, we
would lower a stern anchor down and tie it to a couple of large timbers
tied between two Higgins Papa boats.  (A Papa boat is the one usually shown
in Marine storming the beach films where the ramp drops down and the
Marines charge ashore.)  The Papa boats would carry the anchor out a
hundred yards or so and a bosun mate would cut the line with an axe.  Then
we'd pull the ship off the beach with the stern anchor.  Now THAT's kedging.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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> I recently moved my boat from CRW to New Bern, NC via the ICW. Several
> times we ran aground either because skipper error or shifting shoals that
> are impossible to keep up with unless you sail in them often.
>
> Not surprisingly our Fortress 11 was pretty useless in grabbing the bottom
> when thrown as far as I could manage! They need to be dropped and then
> backed down on to grab the bottom--pulling them in after a toss just
> doesn't allow them to properly set.
>
> My crew suggested I get about a 5 lb. danforth that can be thrown pretty
> far but that will set better than a Fortress that tends to skip along the
> bottom in those circumstances.
>
> My question for the list is what 'throwable' anchor for this situation
> would you recommend?
>
> Charlie Nelson
> Water Phantom
> 1995 C 36XL/kcb
> See situations would you recommends?
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Incidentally, I forgot to mention, that Catalina 390 sailed like a barge 
compared to my 30 MK I.

Randy

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.
> 
> Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina 
> 390 next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port 
> Berkeley, CA.  I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this 
> mail list as far as I know, but is on the C owners’ Facebook group.  He 
> said he’d sailed her from the West Coast to Hawaii and back.  We didn’t 
> discuss what kind of conditions he encountered.  But he did say that in 
> preparation he’d resealed the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me 
> wonder if that’s the right material for that job).  His boat was also set up 
> with a self-steering wind vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker.
> 
> I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C in marinas at Harbor Island, San Diego, 
> but have no idea if or where those boats have sailed.  Maybe down Mexico way.
> 
> As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at 
> Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before getting 
> hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to douse the 
> main safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get into the 
> slip.  Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake.  So all that doesn’t 
> really apply to your question.  But having said that, I chartered a Bali 4.5 
> cat in the BVI a few weeks ago.  We had some 25kt days, with 6’ wind waves, 
> and another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to sail 
> Grenadine down there.  I’m sure she would have handled it just fine, and 
> loved it.  Didn’t happen to see any C on that trip, and not for lack of 
> looking.
> 
> Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy Stafford
> S/V Grenadine
> C 30-1 #7
> Ken Caryl, CO

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Stus-List 'Kedging anchor' for ICW

[Charles Nelson via CnC-List]

I recently moved my boat from CRW to New Bern, NC via the ICW. Several times we 
ran aground either because skipper error or shifting shoals that are impossible 
to keep up with unless you sail in them often.

Not surprisingly our Fortress 11 was pretty useless in grabbing the bottom when 
thrown as far as I could manage! They need to be dropped and then backed down 
on to grab the bottom--pulling them in after a toss just doesn't allow them to 
properly set.

My crew suggested I get about a 5 lb. danforth that can be thrown pretty far 
but that will set better than a Fortress that tends to skip along the bottom in 
those circumstances.

My question for the list is what 'throwable' anchor for this situation would 
you recommend?

Charlie Nelson
Water Phantom
1995 C 36XL/kcb
See situations would you recommends?











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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Interesting discussion - thanks Shawn for launching it.

Last October at Emerald Bay, Catalina Island I moored a chartered Catalina 390 
next to C 30 MK I hull #493, “Katherine Patricia,” hailing port Berkeley, CA. 
 I spoke with her owner Alexander Simpson, who is not on this mail list as far 
as I know, but is on the C owners’ Facebook group.  He said he’d sailed her 
from the West Coast to Hawaii and back.  We didn’t discuss what kind of 
conditions he encountered.  But he did say that in preparation he’d resealed 
the deck / hull joint (with 5200, which made me wonder if that’s the right 
material for that job).  His boat was also set up with a self-steering wind 
vane and an asymmetrical spinnaker.

I’ve also seen a couple 35-40’ C in marinas at Harbor Island, San Diego, but 
have no idea if or where those boats have sailed.  Maybe down Mexico way.

As for Grenadine, the worst conditions I’ve been in were 48mph gusts at 
Chatfield Reservoir. We saw it coming and doused the headsail before getting 
hit, but had to motor head-to-wind into the shadow of the dam to douse the main 
safely, then motored to the marina and took two tries to get into the slip.  
Sea state is not that big an issue on my lake.  So all that doesn’t really 
apply to your question.  But having said that, I chartered a Bali 4.5 cat in 
the BVI a few weeks ago.  We had some 25kt days, with 6’ wind waves, and 
another day with a 5’ east swell, and I would have loved to sail Grenadine down 
there.  I’m sure she would have handled it just fine, and loved it.  Didn’t 
happen to see any C on that trip, and not for lack of looking.

Josh I’d be interested in that article you referred to, if you can find it.

Cheers,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is 
> that.
> 
> My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally well 
> built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water boats?"  I 
> would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other similar sized 
> boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot forward of the 
> keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the right wave height 
> and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the racer-cruiser an as a 
> result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer but as a cruiser often had 
> shorter than appropriate keels.  
> 
> Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater 
> boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are 
> stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15 
> kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not 
> where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and 
> sell later.
> 
> I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it I'll 
> forward it to you.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
> purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
> boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
> offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how 
> would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about 
> taking it offshore?
> 
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), 
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC 
> to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air 
> boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a 
> beating without worrying about our safety.
> 
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Stus-List C as offshore boat

[Barbara L. Hickson via CnC-List]

I 

I’ve always read that all C were “coastal cruisers”.  The odd boat that 
lands in New Zealand or the Med were lucky with weather windows but I 
personally would not bank on traveling the world in any of them. Too light in 
build compared to other true offshore boats. I sailed to Bermuda to Brazil thru 
the  Caribbean in a British built Bowman and never felt safer even in 50 mph 
gales. Would never do that in my 33. Great boat tho and have sailed her from 
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  1. Re:  C as offshore boat? (Joel Aronson)


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Shawn,

I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have
all been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore,
but obviously, others have different standards.

Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.

Joel
Formerly The Office

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> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
> about taking it offshore?
>
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>
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Re: Stus-List Maximum/Optimum Rudder Travel

[Don Kern via CnC-List]

Dennis

After reading what others have said went back out to the boat and redid 
the measurement and it came out approximately the same - 67 degrees 
either direction for 134 degrees travel lock to lock. However, sailing 
on a tack the helm is move no more than 1/16 of a full turn, before the 
wind with swells that want to kick the stern around the helm is 
traversed no more than a quarter of a turn, for fast/hard tack maybe 
maybe a 1/2 turn.  The only time we ever used a single full turn is when 
we run out of air and the boat gets a mind of its own. Then it is used 
as a scull to get the boat pointed in the right direction. The wheel is 
off the boat so we can easily work on her, but I may mount one and see 
what rudder angles I get for different position/turns of the wheel.


BTW: The boat has two wheels one for cruising (original) and one for 
racing. The racing wheel is a large diameter that let you steer from 
either windward or leeward comfortably, but you can't get by it in the 
cockpit.


Don Kern
Fireball C Mk2
Bristol, RI



On 4/23/2019 7:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:

Don,

Just to clarify, are you saying 65 each side for 130 degrees total travel?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019, 9:09 AM Don Kern via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


FWIW - I just went out to my side yard and checked were Fireballs
stops are set.  Interestingly they are set at 65 deg., a lot more
than I expected since her rudder is two inches longer in girth
than a standard C 35 Mk2.

Don Kern
Fireball, C MK2
Bristol, RI





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Stus-List LF38 Looking for help getting Stability Information ?

[john sandford via CnC-List]

Hi,

I am trying to find stability information to use as part of the OSR
requirement. Section3.04. for my 1984 Landfall 38.

Does anyone know if there was ever a calculation done as part of the
original design, or if any other owner may have a certificate issued ?
Either STIX, AVS, ORC or IRC is acceptable.

I have come up with nothing on Google, but you folks have a far broader
depth of knowledge.

May just have to bite the bullet and get a full measurement and inclining
done, but was trying to avoid the cost and effort.

 

Thanks in advance.

John

 

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Stus-List Shawn's delimma

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Shawn, I failed to answer one of your questions. And rather than extend the 
long thread, I’ll post this and then be done.

Your questions was: "What do you think she would sell for today? “

I’m afraid the answer truthfully, is, nothing.

“Ronin" is in bits and pieces and in varying stages of re-assembly. Mast off, 
keel propped up next to it, hardware, cabinetry and parts either on the boat or 
in my shed. If I were to drop dead tonight and my wife had to dispose of it, 
well, that would be difficult if not impossible. There are no buyers for such a 
project/hobby.

I never, ever dwell on the sale price of “Ronin”. When she’s done and back in 
the water we will sail her as much as possible and then sell her for whatever 
someone will pony up. It’s not factor in our boat owning equation. We’ve sailed 
her for years and enjoyed every minute of it.

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
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Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[robert via CnC-List]

John,

Just curious, is your friend with a 37 doing the crossing from Halifax, 
do just leaving from here?


Note your comment " he has prepared the boat over the last few 
seasons."something for Shawn to think about beyond his initial purchase.


A club member spent all last year preparing his boat (Hunter 41 ???)  
for his trip from Halifax to the Caribbean (staying there for a 
year).he spent more preparing his boat for the trip than Shawn is 
spending on purchasing a 35-II.


And then we have a sailor here that has crossed the Atlantic in a C 
27without all the bells and whistles (unlike the Hunter 41 with a 
fully enclosed heated cockpit).


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 -#277
Halifax, N.S.




On 2019-04-24 6:47 p.m., John Christopher via CnC-List wrote:
I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 
1985 C 37 this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head 
for Caribbean.


He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, 
Philippines, Taiwan, Japan, etc)


He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has 
prepared the boat over the last few seasons.


/John



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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

Josh, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  It's very easy to dream you'll throw 
off the lines and not come home for 6 months or more.  Then the day to day 
realities close in, especially if you have a spouse who may like to sail but 
isn't thrilled with the long-term prospects.  Owning a bigger boat has 
certainly resulted in LOT more time, energy and money for the maintenance, 
repairs and dockage.  I strongly recommend folks balance those realities 
against a lower cost, less work daysailer.
Don't get me wrong.  We really love our 37/40+, and down here in the Tampa area 
A/C really is a must, especially if you're going to be on a dock instead of a 
mooring because the vast majority docks are blocked by buildings or adjacent 
large powerboats and don't get much breeze.  However, 2 years into this boat 
and we've really only got out on some local cruising and anchoring a couple 
times, and the rest of the time our old C 27MKIII would have sufficed just as 
well with very little maintenance.
Food for thought, 

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+"Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

1I saw a C in Uruguay.  It's hailing port was in Delaware.  So there is
that.

My experience and my the reports from others is that C are generally
well built, strong boats.  That being said, "Are the good blue water
boats?"  I would suggest no.  They typically have less tankage than other
similar sized boats.  They often have fin keels that create a flat spot
forward of the keel.  This can result in a pretty good pounding with the
right wave height and frequency.  Most of them were catering to the
racer-cruiser an as a result tend to carry a bit more sail for the racer
but as a cruiser often had shorter than appropriate keels.

Many people have blue water dreams and end up buying the perfect bluewater
boats.  Then they have extreme difficulty untying the lines.  Now they are
stuck not having fun in their local tributaries with anything less than 15
kts of wind.  I say buy the boat that fits where you are sailing now.  Not
where you think you will be sailing in the future.  You can always buy and
sell later.

I have an article that may be pertinent to your concerns.  If I find it
I'll forward it to you.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C 37+
Solomons, MD




On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 11:22 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
> about taking it offshore?
>
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Stus-List Boat buying

[Barry Lenoble via CnC-List]

Hey
I find it amusing that everyone states ‘good boats are cheap and a dime a 
dozen’ but the people trying to actually find a boat to buy are never able to 
find those boats. The actual boat buying people state ‘all i see are crap 
overpriced boats’. So the truth must be somewhere in the middle. 
You are not going to find a 35 boat in excellent condition for $25k. 

Barry. Sent from iPad


  



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   1.  C as offshore boat? (Shawn Wright)
   2. Re:  C 35-2 concerns (Matthew L. Wolford)
   3. Re:  Delivery Captain? (Danny Haughey)
   4. Re:  [EXTERNAL]   Re:  C 35-2 concerns (Della Barba, Joe)
   5. Re:  [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35-2 concerns (Shawn Wright)
   6. Re:  question (Robert Boyer)


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I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
about taking it offshore?

One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
take a beating without worrying about our safety.

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Other issues are fresh water v. salt water, regional economic conditions, how 
far away you?re willing to look (with inspection/delivery complications), etc.  
It sounds like you?re down to two issues, specifically the electrical system 
and the complicated engine (although you know a lot about VWs).  If I were in 
your position (and I?m not), I would factor in the cost of greatly simplifying 
or replacing the engine and upgrading the electrical system.  At $22K, this 
probably gets you to around $30K, with the added costs deferred until you can 
get to them.  To the extent you can (and are willing) to do the work yourself, 
this reduces the increase.  Sails can also be expensive for a 35 foot boat, 
which should be a big consideration.  If the ?actual? cost and aggravation is 
worth it to you, buy the boat.  If not, keep looking.  There is no magic 
bullet. 

From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Matthew, 

Interestingly, this boat has had much of the work you describe done by the 
previous owner - hull & deck painted, barrier coat, delamination fixed with 
epoxy, new holding tank, retabbed bulkheads. The electrical panel is ugly and 
original, and the engine install is very complex and messy, although 
functional. 

I would find it much easier to walk away if I hadn't been at this search for a 
year already and seen how few good boats there are here for $25K. My backup 
plan is to buy a nice $10K boat and keep looking for the right boat. It seems 
crazy that there are plenty of really nice, clean 28-29' boats for $10K, but 
once you get to 30', the price doubles. If I'm willing to consider a lesser 
known boat, like a Crown 34 or San Juan 34 (same boat basically), there is one 
of each in really nice shape for $24K. Although they are pretty decent boats, I 
don't like the interior layout as much.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:59 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List  wrote:

  IMHO, you can get a lot of boat for $20K these days if you?re willing to buy 
an older one and have the patience to find a good one.  I paid $25K for my 1978 
34 in the 1990s.  I ended up selling it about six years ago for $22K.  In the 
meantime, I repainted the hull, added a barrier coat on the bottom, replaced 
most of 

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Shawn,

I did think about the slip costs and that is most certainly an item that can 
add a good bit to the monthly average. We paid for slip fees in Annapolis up 
until 2003 and while fees in A-town are quite expensive, the back-yard marina 
that we kept the boat in is owned by close friends so by local standards, it 
was very, very cheap.

My wife and I purchased a weekend waterfront home in the mid to lower 
Chesapeake Bay in 2002 and moved the boat down in 2003. We have 8 1/2’ MLLW at 
our dock so our 6’8” draft has never gone aground. I consider that to be a 
“deep water slip” which can be pretty spendy in many locales so, yes, I suppose 
that we have ‘free’ slip fees but the reality is that the slip rent is hidden 
in the mortgage. ;-)

All other items that are remotely linked to the boat, i.e., insurance and 
registration are included in the figures. I even include the yearly dues to a 
yacht club in Annapolis that we still belong to.

I’ve done a short sail from San Diego to Ensenada and back (Passport 43) and 
I’m certain that a C would be just fine for a trip like that. Continuing on 
to the Panama Canal and then into the Caribbean, again, quite do-able I think. 
I have a friend who’s 20-something niece and another young woman bought a 
$4,000 25’ old production sailboat and sailed all over the Gulf of California 
and Baja and had a great time. Afterwards, she and some of her sailing buddies 
sailed our friend’s J-120 from San Francisco to Hawaii and then on to New 
Zealand. Just so that they could get a better price selling it...

You can have fun and be safe on a C I should just say that if I were to take 
off, I’d go with something a bit more robust (Passport, Oyster, Swan, Grand 
Soleil, Dehler, X-Yacht, etc.) and that had a bit more carrying capacity. But 
that’s me.

Buy the boat that moves your heart. We love our 37’. Years ago as it sat 
deteriorating at our dock we starting thinking about letting her go and getting 
a cruiser/racer in the 42’ range. We decided against that avenue for reasons 
that folks on this list well know: beauty, speed, construction and comfort.

So to close out, my advice would be to buy as large and as well-maintained a 
boat that you feel you will be able to afford over time. I would also advise 
against doing what I do. I just enjoy fixing up old things. I’ve never been 
called smart. :-)

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 3:05 PM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Dave. 
> 
> I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific 
> coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in 
> that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ 
> days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this early 
> stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go well, I'd 
> like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to search for 
> another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably just fly to 
> California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and have the 
> advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail our local 
> waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I grew up around 
> powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly at the sailboats 
> as I endured the drone and smell of the engine...
> 
> Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that 
> include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value. 
> What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years 
> ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat, 
> or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into retirement, 
> and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the uncertainty of 
> our real living expenses going forward are a significant factor. Moorage is 
> at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or put it on a mooring 
> buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots of spare parts on the 
> beaches this winter from all the boats washed ashore...
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

[John Christopher via CnC-List]

I’ve got a friend leaving form Halifax to cross the Atlantic in his 1985 C 37 
this summer, cruise the Med for a few years, and then head for Caribbean. 

He has over 25 years sailing experience (NZ, French Polynesia, Philippines, 
Taiwan, Japan, etc)  

He has no issues going across the Atlantic in his 37, but he has prepared the 
boat over the last few seasons.

/John

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Della Barba, Joe  wrote:
> 
> We have a C lister in Mexico right now. He sailed there in a Landfall 38.
> Anyone heard from Wally lately?
>  
> Joe
> Coquina
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn 
> Wright via CnC-List
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:06 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Shawn Wright 
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?
>  
> Thanks, Dave. 
>  
> I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific 
> coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in 
> that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ 
> days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this early 
> stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go well, I'd 
> like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to search for 
> another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably just fly to 
> California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and have the 
> advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail our local 
> waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I grew up around 
> powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly at the sailboats 
> as I endured the drone and smell of the engine...
>  
> Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that 
> include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value. 
> What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years 
> ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat, 
> or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into retirement, 
> and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the uncertainty of 
> our real living expenses going forward are a significant factor. Moorage is 
> at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or put it on a mooring 
> buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots of spare parts on the 
> beaches this winter from all the boats washed ashore...
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave Godwin  wrote:
> Shawn,
>  
> Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II.
>  
> I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no 
> stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant 
> headwinds for days on end.
>  
> I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the 
> final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours in 
> Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my boat in 
> those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference.
>  
> I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with 
> (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have their 
> limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.
>  
> Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and cross 
> oceans just fine.  ;-)
>  
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit
>  
> P.S. Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as a 
> bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to the 
> condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is the 
> average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding 1) 
> engine rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller furling, 
> 6) sails, 7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10) distribution 
> panel, 11) windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports (2x), 14) cabin 
> sole (2x), 15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16) Harken mainsheet 
> traveler system (2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging, well, I’ll stop 
> there. No, wait. Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and topsides. Whew!
>  
> But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby” 
> and the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes everything 
> with the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it.
>  
> I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!
> 
> 
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>  
> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
> purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
> boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
> offshore, what are the worst conditions you've 

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Lots of offshore miles on my 40. The new owner is about to head back from the 
Bahamas to NY. Friends remarked after a trip to Bermuda on their 49 one fall 
that when the wind got DOWN to 30 it felt like they were becalmed. :) they got 
through the ordeal with no damage.
Andy

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA02842

www.burtonsailing.com
http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:50, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Shawn,
> 
> I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have all 
> been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore, but 
> obviously, others have different standards.
> 
> Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.
> 
> Joel
> Formerly The Office
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
>> purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
>> boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
>> offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how 
>> would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about 
>> taking it offshore?
>> 
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), 
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC 
>> to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air 
>> boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a 
>> beating without worrying about our safety.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> ___
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> 
> 
> -- 
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> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List question

[ssjohnson via CnC-List]

Greetings Camille and welcome to the list!  My LF38 has not had your issue. 
But. When I upgraded the steering pedestal we found that the cockpit sole had 
completely desalinated, so, we had about a 2'x3' piece of marine plywood vacuum 
sealed with fiberglass resin and new holes drilled, with edges sealed,  for the 
pedestal and rudder post.  In retrospect I had noticed a puddle of rainwater 
accumulating around the rudder post.  It was about a $3,500 repair but needed 
to be done.The grease cap is on the aft side of the lower rudder.  I replaced 
it with a grease fitting on a 5' hose leading to a bracket under the strbd 
laserette.  I add a squeeze once a year.  BTW, I've removed and replaced the 
rudder about 6 times.  I finally had it rebuilt by competition composites in 
Ottawa.  Now it is only 150lbs instead of 300 :-oGood luck, Camille!Spencer 
Johnson 84 LF 38 "Alegria " #165Racine, WI___

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

My Landfall 39 has crossed the Pacific a couple of time with previous owners. 
Although not a light air boat (compared to the LF38), It feels solid under full 
sail in 25kt winds. Doug Mountjoy Sv Rebecca Leah LF39 1988253-208-1412Port 
Orchard YC wa.
 Original message From: Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List 
 Date: 4/24/19  13:16  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Jeff Helsdingen  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List C as offshore boat? According to stories from the previous owner my 
35-1 sailed across the Atlantic and back with either the first or second owner. 
On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 3:06 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List, 
 wrote:Thanks, Dave. I think there is probably a big 
difference between going down the Pacific coast to Mexico, and going offshore 
to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in that the former is limited to 3-5 
days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ days for the latter, meaning weather 
windows are easier to hit. At this early stage, I really don't know if we'll go 
offshore, but if things go well, I'd like to go down the coast to Mexico at 
least, without having to search for another boat. If I already had enough 
experience, I'd probably just fly to California and find a boat there, then 
sail it to Mexico, and have the advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. 
But I want to sail our local waters first, something I've wanted to do since I 
was a kid. I grew up around powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking 
longingly at the sailboats as I endured the drone and smell of the 
engine...Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does 
that include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value. 
What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years ago 
when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat, or not 
worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into retirement, and with 
my wife still working but soon to retire also, the uncertainty of our real 
living expenses going forward are a significant factor. Moorage is at least 
$4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or put it on a mooring buoy, but 
winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots of spare parts on the beaches this 
winter from all the boats washed ashore...On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave 
Godwin  wrote:Shawn,Been watching your rumination on buying 
that 35-II.I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, 
no stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant 
headwinds for days on end.I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to 
assist my friend on the final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They 
just spent 48 hours in Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted 
to be in my boat in those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big 
difference.I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda 
with (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have 
their limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.Of course, the 
French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and cross oceans just fine.  
;-)Regards,
Dave Godwin1982 C 37 - RoninReedville - Chesapeake BayRonin’s Overdue Refit
P.S.Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as a 
bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to the 
condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is the 
average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding 1) engine 
rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller furling, 6) sails, 
7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10) distribution panel, 11) 
windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 
15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16) Harken mainsheet traveler system 
(2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging, well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. 
Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and topsides. Whew!But here’s the deal; I 
keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby” and the yearly average 
costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes everything with the exception of the 
$25,000 that we paid for it.I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!
On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List  
wrote:I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current 
boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how 
would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about 
taking it offshore?One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 
(don't laugh), partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has 
been from BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good 
light air boat seems like a better choice, 

Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Jeff Helsdingen via CnC-List]

According to stories from the previous owner my 35-1 sailed across the
Atlantic and back with either the first or second owner.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019, 3:06 PM Shawn Wright via CnC-List, <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Thanks, Dave.
>
> I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific
> coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly
> in that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs
> 20+ days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this
> early stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go
> well, I'd like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to
> search for another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably
> just fly to California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and
> have the advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail
> our local waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I
> grew up around powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly
> at the sailboats as I endured the drone and smell of the engine...
>
> Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that
> include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value.
> What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years
> ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat,
> or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into
> retirement, and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the
> uncertainty of our real living expenses going forward are a significant
> factor. Moorage is at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or
> put it on a mooring buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots
> of spare parts on the beaches this winter from all the boats washed
> ashore...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave Godwin  wrote:
>
>> Shawn,
>>
>> Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II.
>>
>> I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no
>> stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant
>> headwinds for days on end.
>>
>> I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the
>> final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours
>> in Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my
>> boat in those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference.
>>
>> I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with
>> (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have
>> their limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.
>>
>> Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and
>> cross oceans just fine.  ;-)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave Godwin
>> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
>> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
>> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>>
>> P.S. Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997
>> as a bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to
>> the condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is
>> the average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding
>> 1) engine rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller
>> furling, 6) sails, 7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10)
>> distribution panel, 11) windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports
>> (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16)
>> Harken mainsheet traveler system (2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging,
>> well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and
>> topsides. Whew!
>>
>> But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild
>> “hobby” and the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes
>> everything with the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it.
>>
>> I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!
>>
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about taking it offshore?
>>
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
>> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
>> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
>> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> 

Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

We have a C lister in Mexico right now. He sailed there in a Landfall 38.
Anyone heard from Wally lately?

Joe
Coquina



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Wright 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:06 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Thanks, Dave.

I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific coast 
to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly in that 
the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs 20+ days for 
the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this early stage, I 
really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go well, I'd like to go 
down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to search for another boat. 
If I already had enough experience, I'd probably just fly to California and 
find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and have the advantage of 10x as 
many boats to choose from. But I want to sail our local waters first, something 
I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I grew up around powerboats and fishing 
boats, and always looking longingly at the sailboats as I endured the drone and 
smell of the engine...

Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that 
include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value. What 
do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years ago when 
I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat, or not worry 
about fixing it up. But being only a few months into retirement, and with my 
wife still working but soon to retire also, the uncertainty of our real living 
expenses going forward are a significant factor. Moorage is at least $4K/year 
here, unless we can join a club, or put it on a mooring buoy, but winter storms 
are an issue with a buoy. Lots of spare parts on the beaches this winter from 
all the boats washed ashore...



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave Godwin 
mailto:dave.god...@me.com>> wrote:
Shawn,

Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II.

I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no stops. 
It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant headwinds for 
days on end.

I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the final 
leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours in Force 7 
conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my boat in those 
conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference.

I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with 
(hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have their 
limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.

Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and cross 
oceans just fine.  ;-)

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue 
Refit

P.S. Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as a 
bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to the 
condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is the 
average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding 1) engine 
rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller furling, 6) sails, 
7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10) distribution panel, 11) 
windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 
15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16) Harken mainsheet traveler system 
(2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging, well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. 
Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and topsides. Whew!

But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby” and 
the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes everything with 
the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it.

I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!


On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which boat, 
where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone offshore, 
what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how would the 
performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about taking it 
offshore?

One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), 
partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC to 
NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air boat 
seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a beating 
without worrying about our 

Re: Stus-List question LF38 steering

[Dreuge via CnC-List]

Camille,

I originally had steering which was stiff and somewhat resistant  to turning.  
My problem turned out to be old dry crusted grease in the rudder tube.  After 
dropping the rudder, cleaning out the old, and replacing the rudder lubed with 
SuperLube, resulted in nice smooth steering.  I grease it via a cup about once 
a year.  All remains nice and well.

It sounds easy, but it was a challenge to remove the radial. The bolts holding 
the radial together in my case were galled/corroded in place.  

Take a look at by blog post:  
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/2014/12/rudder-and-steering.html 



As for a grease cup, you likely do have one (or had one).  it should be on the 
aft starboard side of the rudder rube.   It is easy to access with the steering 
radial removed.  Regular access requires an arm contortion trick: open the deck 
access plate just aft of the rudder post, stick you arm down and twist it under 
the radial drive disk, then reach towards the rudder post.   It should be there.



-
Paul E.
1981 C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/ 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Camille Cloutier via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> We just signed in the CnC-List mailing list and we would have a question
>> concerning our C boat Landfall 38. We live in Qu?bec and we are french
>> speaking so I'll try to express myself as good as I can :)
>> 
>> We find that the streering wheel is harder to turn then other C we have
>> tried. We have replace all the wires so we are sure that the problem
>> doesn't come from the pedestal. In the instruction manual, they talk about a
>> grease cup which we don't have. We don't have teflon washer around the
>> rudder shaft in the water either.
>> 
>> Does anyone have informations about how the whole rudder system is put
>> together so we can recondition it to have a smooth and easy steering wheel
>> ?
>> 
>> Thank you very much
>> 
>> Camille

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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks, Dave.

I think there is probably a big difference between going down the Pacific
coast to Mexico, and going offshore to Hawaii or the South Pacific, mainly
in that the former is limited to 3-5 days offshore between safe ports, vs
20+ days for the latter, meaning weather windows are easier to hit. At this
early stage, I really don't know if we'll go offshore, but if things go
well, I'd like to go down the coast to Mexico at least, without having to
search for another boat. If I already had enough experience, I'd probably
just fly to California and find a boat there, then sail it to Mexico, and
have the advantage of 10x as many boats to choose from. But I want to sail
our local waters first, something I've wanted to do since I was a kid. I
grew up around powerboats and fishing boats, and always looking longingly
at the sailboats as I endured the drone and smell of the engine...

Your accounting of your purchase is quite interesting; thanks. Does that
include moorage/storage, insurance, etc.? If so, that is very good value.
What do you think she would sell for today? If we had done this a few years
ago when I was still working, I would just spend the money on a nicer boat,
or not worry about fixing it up. But being only a few months into
retirement, and with my wife still working but soon to retire also, the
uncertainty of our real living expenses going forward are a significant
factor. Moorage is at least $4K/year here, unless we can join a club, or
put it on a mooring buoy, but winter storms are an issue with a buoy. Lots
of spare parts on the beaches this winter from all the boats washed
ashore...



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Dave Godwin  wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II.
>
> I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no
> stops. It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant
> headwinds for days on end.
>
> I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the
> final leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours
> in Force 7 conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my
> boat in those conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference.
>
> I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with
> (hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have
> their limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.
>
> Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and
> cross oceans just fine.  ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Dave Godwin
> 1982 C 37 - Ronin
> Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
> Ronin’s Overdue Refit 
>
> P.S. Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as
> a bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to
> the condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is
> the average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding
> 1) engine rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller
> furling, 6) sails, 7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10)
> distribution panel, 11) windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports
> (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16)
> Harken mainsheet traveler system (2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging,
> well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and
> topsides. Whew!
>
> But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby”
> and the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes
> everything with the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it.
>
> I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!
>
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
> about taking it offshore?
>
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks, Alan. How do you find the 35-3 compares with the Ericson 2-30 in
terms of build and sailing properties? I know they are different sizes from
different eras, but just curious. Ericson was my first choice for a while
until I basically gave up finding a good one locally. I've seen on only one
32-200 in the past year, and it was over $40K.
I know what you mean about size not mattering; a friend has gone around the
globe twice, including Cape Horn, in 27' - 1st an Albin Vega, and later a
Vancouver 27. The Vancouver is a tough little boat, but lack of a proper
double berth rules it out for us.

The Ericson guys say there is a big difference in hull stiffness between
the older 70s boats and the 80s+ boats with the integral grid in the hull
pan. So I wonder how much flexing a 35-2 will undergo in rough seas, and
how this will impact the boat over time. An Ericson 35-2 is currently
offshore and the owner has reported lots of hull flexing, and they are
built very similar to 70s C, with very thick FG (nearly 1" at the bottom
of hull), but only stringers every 18-24" across the hull, so the hull
flexes longitudinally in rough seas, which must be hard on the rig.

I have heard the same reports about seas off the Wa/BC coast (and have
experienced a bit of it in a power boat), including more than one person
who has gone around the globe, and said they encountered the worst
conditions off this coast.



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 9:10 AM ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I've sailed my boat along the coast of Washington, no more than fifteen
> miles offshore. In my more than fifty years of sailing, the waters along
> the Washington coast are the worst in which I've ever sailed. Strongest
> winds I've ever encountered were forty-two knots true, sailing DDW in the
> Straits of Juan de Fuca. (Blew out a spinnaker.) It was scary, but a
> hell-of-a-ride, and I had faith in the boat. I sailed my previous boat, and
> Ericson 2-30 offshore as well, and a friend of mine single-handed a Flicka
> (20'; 24' if you count the bowsprit) from Hawaii to Tahiti to Hawaii to
> Port Townsend, WA. That just confirms the expression "Size doesn't matter."
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:51 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Shawn,
>>
>> I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have
>> all been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore,
>> but obviously, others have different standards.
>>
>> Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.
>>
>> Joel
>> Formerly The Office
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>>> about taking it offshore?
>>>
>>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't
>>> laugh), partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has
>>> been from BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a
>>> good light air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something
>>> that can take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shawn Wright
>>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>>> ___
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
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>> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

[David Risch via CnC-List]

Corsair, a 1981 40-2, has been to Bermuda three times with friends, but mostly 
family. Every trip to and fro we had all the usual weather stuff...gales (50 
knots +) Gulf Stream fun and was even pooped.  I never thought for a minute 
about her build or design capabilities out there.   And we kept moving in the 
inevitable light air.

Did the 1997 Bermuda One-Two in a Westsail 32.   6 1/2 days later arrived.   
Never again.

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From: CnC-List  on behalf of Della Barba, Joe 
via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 12:58:44 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

Almost forgot: I once sold some gear to a C 39 owner on his way around the 
world. He started the trip in an Alberg 35 and got frustrated with the lack of 
speed. He loved the 39 :)
Joe
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

Almost forgot: I once sold some gear to a C 39 owner on his way around the 
world. He started the trip in an Alberg 35 and got frustrated with the lack of 
speed. He loved the 39 ☺
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C as offshore boat?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

My 35 has been to Bermuda and back 3 times. We have a 30 on the list someplace 
that has crossed the Atlantic and I know of a 35 that went around the world. 
With some obvious exceptions (SR series) C are fine for offshore IMHO.
We saw all kind of weather including around 50 knots and breaking seas at 
spreader height – say 20 something feet. We were wet and got banged around and 
went really fast ☺
You can see some references to this here:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/
Here is an excerpt:
We ended up leaving right at noon into a freshening breeze and put the hammer 
down with a reefed main and number 3. By breakfast we were down to a double 
reefed main and working jib. I was making pancakes on the stove when we saw a 
steel ketch to windward of us. They were running under bare poles and looked to 
be rolling so bad they might capsize to windward or leeward. We did 170 miles 
noon-to-noon the first day out. By the second day we were beam reaching in 20 
foot breaking seas with the rail down under double reefed main and storm jib. 
Steering was like the best thrill ride ever invented combined with sitting at 
the bottom of Niagara Falls with speeds in the double digits as we surfed down 
the face of the waves. Our second noon-to-noon was 180 miles, which still 
stands as our 24 hour record. When we got in VHF range to call home everyone 
thought we had turned around because of the storm and gone back to Bermuda. Not 
so, we were getting ready to put in to Cape May for a steak dinner and showers.

Others including the 30 mentioned have been out in worse than that.

Also see this:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/gor/GOR.html


Joe
Coquina
C 35  MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:50 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

Shawn,

I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have all 
been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore, but 
obviously, others have different standards.

Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.

Joel
Formerly The Office

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which boat, 
where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone offshore, 
what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how would the 
performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about taking it 
offshore?

One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), 
partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC to 
NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air boat 
seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a beating 
without worrying about our safety.

--
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shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Dave Godwin via CnC-List]

Shawn,

Been watching your rumination on buying that 35-II.

I’ve delivered a C 34 from Fort Lauderdale to Port Royal, Jamaica, no stops. 
It was fine for that but all we had to deal with was constant headwinds for 
days on end.

I’m flying into Ponta Delgada, Azores on May 4 to assist my friend on the final 
leg home to Gosport, England from Antigua. They just spent 48 hours in Force 7 
conditions mid-Atlantic. I would not have wanted to be in my boat in those 
conditions. His boat is an Oyster 485. Big difference.

I consider my boat to be a good coastal cruiser. I’d go to Bermuda with 
(hopefully) a good weather window. IMO, C’s are quite strong but have their 
limits if extended offshore passage making is the desire.

Of course, the French regularly pile entire families on Beneteaus and cross 
oceans just fine.  ;-)

Regards,
Dave Godwin
1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit 

P.S.Back to your purchase decision thread. We bought our boat in 1997 as a 
bank repo. The description of the 35-II sounds much better compared to the 
condition of our boat when we purchased it. One thing to consider is the 
average cost to own over time. Despite replacing/rebuilding or adding 1) engine 
rebuild, 2) all wiring, 3) plumbing, 4) cushions, 5) roller furling, 6) sails, 
7) electronics, 8) below deck autopilot, 9) stove, 10) distribution panel, 11) 
windlass, 12) fixed ports (2x), 13) opening ports (2x), 14) cabin sole (2x), 
15) Harken self-tailing deck winches (2x), 16) Harken mainsheet traveler system 
(2x), 17) all new rod and running rigging, well, I’ll stop there. No, wait. 
Completel Awlcraft paint job, hull and topsides. Whew!

But here’s the deal; I keep detailed records as part of my rebuild “hobby” and 
the yearly average costs over time is $7,000.00 U.S. Includes everything with 
the exception of the $25,000 that we paid for it.

I will be interested in your decision. Good luck!

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current boat 
> purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so, which 
> boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not gone 
> offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C, and how 
> would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel about 
> taking it offshore?
> 
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh), 
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from BC 
> to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light air 
> boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can take a 
> beating without worrying about our safety.
> 
> -- 
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com 
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Re: Stus-List question

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

Make sure the cables are aligned so that they aren't rubbing on the
quadrant. Then lube the cable, chain and turning blocks with motor oil.
There should also be a delrin washer around the rudder post, under the
collar that keeps the rudder from falling down. You said you don't have a
grease cup, but try looking again. It looks like a small tuna fish can,
mounted on the forward side of the fiberglass surrounding the rudder post.
It should be filled with grease, and when you turn the cap, it forces the
grease around the rudder post.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:49 AM Robert Boyer via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I can speak from experience on my LF38.  Your problem is most likely a
> misalignment in the upper rudder bearing--the one mounted right below the
> helm mounted with 4 bolts.  The correction is probably best performed out
> of the water.  Simply loosen the four bolts & move the bearing until the
> steering frees up then tighten the mounting bolts.
>
> If this is not the problem I would add grease to the grease cup on the
> rudder shaft.
>
> Bob
>
> Bob Boyer
> S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
> Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
> 
> Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
> Annapolis, MD
> (Presently in Charleston SC for the winter)
>
> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Camille Cloutier via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We just signed in the CnC-List mailing list and we would have a question
> concerning our C boat Landfall 38. We live in Québec and we are french
> speaking so I'll try to express myself as good as I can :)
>
> We find that the streering wheel is harder to turn then other C we have
> tried. We have replace all the wires so we are sure that the problem
> doesn't come from the pedestal. In the instruction manual, they talk about a
> grease cup which we don't have. We don't have teflon washer around the
> rudder shaft in the water either.
>
> Does anyone have informations about how the whole rudder system is put
> together so we can recondition it to have a smooth and easy steering wheel
> ?
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Camille
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I've sailed my boat along the coast of Washington, no more than fifteen
miles offshore. In my more than fifty years of sailing, the waters along
the Washington coast are the worst in which I've ever sailed. Strongest
winds I've ever encountered were forty-two knots true, sailing DDW in the
Straits of Juan de Fuca. (Blew out a spinnaker.) It was scary, but a
hell-of-a-ride, and I had faith in the boat. I sailed my previous boat, and
Ericson 2-30 offshore as well, and a friend of mine single-handed a Flicka
(20'; 24' if you count the bowsprit) from Hawaii to Tahiti to Hawaii to
Port Townsend, WA. That just confirms the expression "Size doesn't matter."

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:51 AM Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have
> all been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore,
> but obviously, others have different standards.
>
> Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.
>
> Joel
> Formerly The Office
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
>> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
>> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
>> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
>> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
>> about taking it offshore?
>>
>> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
>> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
>> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
>> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
>> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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>
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Re: Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Shawn,

I'm still lurking here.  My 35-3, a 37, Impromptu, and Rick's LF 38 have
all been to Bermuda.  Personally, I consider 35 the minimum for offshore,
but obviously, others have different standards.

Never saw winds over 30 (on the return) and never felt unsafe.

Joel
Formerly The Office

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
> boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
> which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
> gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
> and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
> about taking it offshore?
>
> One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
> partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
> BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
> air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
> take a beating without worrying about our safety.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List question

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

I can speak from experience on my LF38.  Your problem is most likely a 
misalignment in the upper rudder bearing--the one mounted right below the helm 
mounted with 4 bolts.  The correction is probably best performed out of the 
water.  Simply loosen the four bolts & move the bearing until the steering 
frees up then tighten the mounting bolts.

If this is not the problem I would add grease to the grease cup on the rudder 
shaft.

Bob

Bob Boyer
S/V Rainy Days (1983 C Landfall 38 - Hull #230)
Blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
Email: dainyr...@icloud.com
Annapolis, MD 
(Presently in Charleston SC for the winter)

> On Apr 24, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Camille Cloutier via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> We just signed in the CnC-List mailing list and we would have a question 
> concerning our C boat Landfall 38. We live in Québec and we are french 
> speaking so I'll try to express myself as good as I can :)
> 
> We find that the streering wheel is harder to turn then other C we have 
> tried. We have replace all the wires so we are sure that the problem doesn't 
> come from the pedestal. In the instruction manual, they talk about a grease 
> cup which we don't have. We don't have teflon washer around the rudder shaft 
> in the water either.
> 
> Does anyone have informations about how the whole rudder system is put 
> together so we can recondition it to have a smooth and easy steering wheel? 
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
> Camille
> 
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35-2 concerns

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

For comparison, this boat is near me, for $32,500 CAD, so $24K US. It is a
new listing, so I'll see how long it lasts. I find the galley on the Mk1
quite small (from the photos) which is one reason I haven't looked at it.

https://thunderbirdmarine.com/yacht-sales/35-cc-mk-i/

There is also a '74 Mk2 just south of me in Anacortes, WA for 27.5K US:

https://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1974/c-c-35-mk2-3510960/?refSource=standard%20listing



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:35 AM Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> FYI
>
>
> https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/tracys-landing-rare-classic-cc-mark/6870767724.html
>
>
>
> No relation to this ad, but the boat sounds nice.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
> Coquina
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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: C 35-2 concerns

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

FYI
https://annapolis.craigslist.org/boa/d/tracys-landing-rare-classic-cc-mark/6870767724.html

No relation to this ad, but the boat sounds nice.

Joe
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List Delivery Captain?

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

Hi Edd,

I just reached out to the guy that Delivered our boat from Tom's River 
NJ to Westport, MA. a few years ago.


Nice guy and very reasonable.  He's from Annapolis I believe.

I'll forward on his contact info if he gets back to me.

Danny
Rum Runner IV
Tartan 40
Mattapoisett, MA

On 4/24/2019 7:33 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List wrote:

City Island, NY to Venice, FL


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Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Other issues are fresh water v. salt water, regional economic conditions, how 
far away you’re willing to look (with inspection/delivery complications), etc.  
It sounds like you’re down to two issues, specifically the electrical system 
and the complicated engine (although you know a lot about VWs).  If I were in 
your position (and I’m not), I would factor in the cost of greatly simplifying 
or replacing the engine and upgrading the electrical system.  At $22K, this 
probably gets you to around $30K, with the added costs deferred until you can 
get to them.  To the extent you can (and are willing) to do the work yourself, 
this reduces the increase.  Sails can also be expensive for a 35 foot boat, 
which should be a big consideration.  If the “actual” cost and aggravation is 
worth it to you, buy the boat.  If not, keep looking.  There is no magic 
bullet. 

From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Matthew, 

Interestingly, this boat has had much of the work you describe done by the 
previous owner - hull & deck painted, barrier coat, delamination fixed with 
epoxy, new holding tank, retabbed bulkheads. The electrical panel is ugly and 
original, and the engine install is very complex and messy, although 
functional. 

I would find it much easier to walk away if I hadn't been at this search for a 
year already and seen how few good boats there are here for $25K. My backup 
plan is to buy a nice $10K boat and keep looking for the right boat. It seems 
crazy that there are plenty of really nice, clean 28-29' boats for $10K, but 
once you get to 30', the price doubles. If I'm willing to consider a lesser 
known boat, like a Crown 34 or San Juan 34 (same boat basically), there is one 
of each in really nice shape for $24K. Although they are pretty decent boats, I 
don't like the interior layout as much.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:59 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  IMHO, you can get a lot of boat for $20K these days if you’re willing to buy 
an older one and have the patience to find a good one.  I paid $25K for my 1978 
34 in the 1990s.  I ended up selling it about six years ago for $22K.  In the 
meantime, I repainted the hull, added a barrier coat on the bottom, replaced 
most of the standing rigging, replaced all of the running rigging, replaced the 
old fuse panel Blue Sea circuits, re-wired the 120V shore system, replaced the 
old windows with opening Lewmars, re-tabbed the salon bulkheads, replaced the 
holding tank and toilet, replaced all the sails for local club racing, etc.  By 
the time I was done, the boat was worth $40-50K.  Nevertheless, the market for 
a 1978 boat was less than the $25K I paid for it.

  The bottom line is you need to find the right boat.  Given all the 
discussion, it sounds to me that Shawn has not.

  From: Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:43 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Neil E. Andersen 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

  Jim,



  I think your friend is overly pessimistic.  We are not seeing that kind of  
differential on boats here on the east coast where my firm operates (MD, VA, 
SC, FL).



  Neil

  1982 C 32, FoxFire

  Rock Hall MD



  Full disclosure, I am a Yacht Broker

  From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of jim aridas via 
CnC-List
  Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:36 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: jim aridas 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns



  The market for auxiliary sail is SO soft. For 25k you can get a really great 
turn key boat. Most boats are selling for 1/2 of asking price, as per a friend 
who owns a yacht brokerage company out of Central NJ.

  Jim

  Galaxy 34

  Get Outlook for Android




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CnC-List 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:28:28 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns 



  Shawn, I agree with Bruce..
  Let this one go
  If you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "
  Don't spend them of stuff like this

  Ron
  Impromptu
  C 38 MKII
  1977.

  My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.you don't want 
to know how much time and money that takes. 



  Sent from Xfinity Connect Application


  -Original Message-

  From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
  Sent: 2019-04-24 7:24:48 AM 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

  Hi Shawn,



  Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There are just 
too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who knows what 
they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the right boat, even 
at a distance in the right condition at the right price, even 

Stus-List C as offshore boat?

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

I'm going to switch things up a bit from the gloomy topic of my current
boat purchase: how many of you have taken your C offshore, and if so,
which boat, where to, and how did it manage the conditions? If you have not
gone offshore, what are the worst conditions you've experienced in a C,
and how would the performance of the boat in these conditions make you feel
about taking it offshore?

One of the very first boats we looked at was a Westsail 32 (don't laugh),
partly because they are proven world cruisers, and the boat has been from
BC to NZ and back. But with our fickle air in the summer here, a good light
air boat seems like a better choice, but I also want something that can
take a beating without worrying about our safety.

-- 
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shawngwri...@gmail.com
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Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Walk away. Life is too short and parts too expensive to justify a project
boat IMO.





On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 8:02 AM Shawn Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Here in BC, good boats seem to move quickly if they are priced fairly.
> There is a C 30 for $55K which hasn't sold, and another very nice one at
> $24K which also hasn't sold, but I've watched several average condition
> Catalina 30s sell for 20K in the past year. A Hunter 31 sold last week for
> $25K within a few days.
>
> This 35-2 was listed a year ago for $35K, then dropped to 32K when I saw
> it in January. I offered $20K, and we settled at 22K.
> This boat was surveyed at $38K, but I suspect the previous owner knew the
> surveyor, as there were NO issues found on the survey, which I've never
> seen before. The sketchy wiring alone would usually be mentioned - the mast
> light wires appear to be brown household lamp cord, unless there is marine
> wire that looks just like it. But that doesn't bother me all that much
> since I will eventually replace most of the wire, unless I can confirm it
> is marine grade and in good condition. I have an IT background and have
> wired data centres with 1000s of cables in a 12x12 room, so a boat is
> pretty simple.
>
> I have to decide if, after assessing the work to be done, the boat is
> still worth it to me. The owner has already said he would not lower the
> price further than 21500 even if issues appear on a survey or inspection.
> So far, nothing aside from a few lights not working have appeared. I would
> like a boat I can feel comfortable taking to Mexico, and maybe even the
> South Pacific, and I don't know if this boat is up to the task, even with
> all the work done. And if we have to sell it, I will not likely get
> anything back for the work I put in, especially with a VW engine, even if I
> make it look nice...
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>>
>>
>> I think your friend is overly pessimistic.  We are not seeing that kind
>> of  differential on boats here on the east coast where my firm operates
>> (MD, VA, SC, FL).
>>
>>
>>
>> Neil
>>
>> 1982 C 32, FoxFire
>>
>> Rock Hall MD
>>
>>
>>
>> Full disclosure, I am a Yacht Broker
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *jim
>> aridas via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:36 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* jim aridas 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>>
>>
>>
>> The market for auxiliary sail is SO soft. For 25k you can get a really
>> great turn key boat. Most boats are selling for 1/2 of asking price, as per
>> a friend who owns a yacht brokerage company out of Central NJ.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Galaxy 34
>>
>> Get Outlook for Android 
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of
>> rjcasciato--- via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:28:28 AM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* rjcasci...@comcast.net
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>>
>>
>>
>> Shawn, I agree with Bruce..
>> Let this one go
>> If you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "
>> Don't spend them of stuff like this
>>
>> Ron
>> Impromptu
>> C 38 MKII
>> 1977.
>>
>> My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.you don't
>> want to know how much time and money that takes.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>> Sent: 2019-04-24 7:24:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>>
>> Hi Shawn,
>>
>>
>>
>> Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There are
>> just too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who
>> knows what they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the
>> right boat, even at a distance in the right condition at the right price,
>> even if you have to have it trucked to you.  You'll end up spending the
>> equivalent cost to move the boat just getting this one in proper shape,
>> and  you'll avoid a lot of heartburn.
>>
>>
>>
>> When we bought our boat, we knew that the fresh water, propane, and
>> charging system all had issues, the sail covers desperately needed to be
>> replaced, and while kept relatively clean it had basically sat at the dock
>> for years.  However the boat was basically sound, having had a lot of
>> professional upgrades added 8 years earlier.  Two years later, we have a
>> great boat, but our project list has now exceeded 200 individual small
>> projects, we're down to 22 short term and 15 long term (mostly to be done
>> at haulout).  Yet, last weekend I found another where a wire leading out
>> from the battery charger had corroded due to poor installation.  That, in
>> turn is driving me to add a 3rd battery to the house bank while I'm at
>> it...  And, though I enjoy working on 

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Matthew,

Interestingly, this boat has had much of the work you describe done by the
previous owner - hull & deck painted, barrier coat, delamination fixed with
epoxy, new holding tank, retabbed bulkheads. The electrical panel is ugly
and original, and the engine install is very complex and messy, although
functional.

I would find it much easier to walk away if I hadn't been at this search
for a year already and seen how few good boats there are here for $25K. My
backup plan is to buy a nice $10K boat and keep looking for the right boat.
It seems crazy that there are plenty of really nice, clean 28-29' boats for
$10K, but once you get to 30', the price doubles. If I'm willing to
consider a lesser known boat, like a Crown 34 or San Juan 34 (same boat
basically), there is one of each in really nice shape for $24K. Although
they are pretty decent boats, I don't like the interior layout as much.

On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:59 AM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> IMHO, you can get a lot of boat for $20K these days if you’re willing to
> buy an older one and have the patience to find a good one.  I paid $25K for
> my 1978 34 in the 1990s.  I ended up selling it about six years ago for
> $22K.  In the meantime, I repainted the hull, added a barrier coat on the
> bottom, replaced most of the standing rigging, replaced all of the running
> rigging, replaced the old fuse panel Blue Sea circuits, re-wired the 120V
> shore system, replaced the old windows with opening Lewmars, re-tabbed the
> salon bulkheads, replaced the holding tank and toilet, replaced all the
> sails for local club racing, etc.  By the time I was done, the boat was
> worth $40-50K.  Nevertheless, the market for a 1978 boat was less than the
> $25K I paid for it.
>
> The bottom line is you need to find the right boat.  Given all the
> discussion, it sounds to me that Shawn has not.
>
> *From:* Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:43 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil E. Andersen 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>
>
> Jim,
>
>
>
> I think your friend is overly pessimistic.  We are not seeing that kind
> of  differential on boats here on the east coast where my firm operates
> (MD, VA, SC, FL).
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C 32, FoxFire
>
> Rock Hall MD
>
>
>
> Full disclosure, I am a Yacht Broker
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *jim
> aridas via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:36 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* jim aridas 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>
>
>
> The market for auxiliary sail is SO soft. For 25k you can get a really
> great turn key boat. Most boats are selling for 1/2 of asking price, as per
> a friend who owns a yacht brokerage company out of Central NJ.
>
> Jim
>
> Galaxy 34
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of
> rjcasciato--- via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:28:28 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* rjcasci...@comcast.net
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>
>
>
> Shawn, I agree with Bruce..
> Let this one go
> If you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "
> Don't spend them of stuff like this
>
> Ron
> Impromptu
> C 38 MKII
> 1977.
>
> My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.you don't
> want to know how much time and money that takes.
>
>
>
> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
> Sent: 2019-04-24 7:24:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>
> Hi Shawn,
>
>
>
> Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There are
> just too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who
> knows what they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the
> right boat, even at a distance in the right condition at the right price,
> even if you have to have it trucked to you.  You'll end up spending the
> equivalent cost to move the boat just getting this one in proper shape,
> and  you'll avoid a lot of heartburn.
>
>
>
> When we bought our boat, we knew that the fresh water, propane, and
> charging system all had issues, the sail covers desperately needed to be
> replaced, and while kept relatively clean it had basically sat at the dock
> for years.  However the boat was basically sound, having had a lot of
> professional upgrades added 8 years earlier.  Two years later, we have a
> great boat, but our project list has now exceeded 200 individual small
> projects, we're down to 22 short term and 15 long term (mostly to be done
> at haulout).  Yet, last weekend I found another where a wire leading out
> from the battery charger had corroded due to poor installation.  That, in
> turn is driving me to add a 3rd battery to the house bank while I'm at
> it...  And, though I enjoy 

Stus-List question

[Camille Cloutier via CnC-List]

Hi,

We just signed in the CnC-List mailing list and we would have a question
concerning our C boat Landfall 38. We live in Québec and we are french
speaking so I'll try to express myself as good as I can :)

We find that the streering wheel is harder to turn then other C we have
tried. We have replace all the wires so we are sure that the problem
doesn't come from the pedestal. In the instruction manual, they talk about a
grease cup which we don't have. We don't have teflon washer around the
rudder shaft in the water either.

Does anyone have informations about how the whole rudder system is put
together so we can recondition it to have a smooth and easy steering wheel?

Thank you very much

Camille
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Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Here in BC, good boats seem to move quickly if they are priced fairly.
There is a C 30 for $55K which hasn't sold, and another very nice one at
$24K which also hasn't sold, but I've watched several average condition
Catalina 30s sell for 20K in the past year. A Hunter 31 sold last week for
$25K within a few days.

This 35-2 was listed a year ago for $35K, then dropped to 32K when I saw it
in January. I offered $20K, and we settled at 22K.
This boat was surveyed at $38K, but I suspect the previous owner knew the
surveyor, as there were NO issues found on the survey, which I've never
seen before. The sketchy wiring alone would usually be mentioned - the mast
light wires appear to be brown household lamp cord, unless there is marine
wire that looks just like it. But that doesn't bother me all that much
since I will eventually replace most of the wire, unless I can confirm it
is marine grade and in good condition. I have an IT background and have
wired data centres with 1000s of cables in a 12x12 room, so a boat is
pretty simple.

I have to decide if, after assessing the work to be done, the boat is still
worth it to me. The owner has already said he would not lower the price
further than 21500 even if issues appear on a survey or inspection. So far,
nothing aside from a few lights not working have appeared. I would like a
boat I can feel comfortable taking to Mexico, and maybe even the South
Pacific, and I don't know if this boat is up to the task, even with all the
work done. And if we have to sell it, I will not likely get anything back
for the work I put in, especially with a VW engine, even if I make it look
nice...



On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 7:44 AM Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
>
>
> I think your friend is overly pessimistic.  We are not seeing that kind
> of  differential on boats here on the east coast where my firm operates
> (MD, VA, SC, FL).
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C 32, FoxFire
>
> Rock Hall MD
>
>
>
> Full disclosure, I am a Yacht Broker
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *jim
> aridas via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:36 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* jim aridas 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>
>
>
> The market for auxiliary sail is SO soft. For 25k you can get a really
> great turn key boat. Most boats are selling for 1/2 of asking price, as per
> a friend who owns a yacht brokerage company out of Central NJ.
>
> Jim
>
> Galaxy 34
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of
> rjcasciato--- via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:28:28 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* rjcasci...@comcast.net
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>
>
>
> Shawn, I agree with Bruce..
> Let this one go
> If you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "
> Don't spend them of stuff like this
>
> Ron
> Impromptu
> C 38 MKII
> 1977.
>
> My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.you don't
> want to know how much time and money that takes.
>
>
>
> Sent from Xfinity Connect Application
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
> Sent: 2019-04-24 7:24:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns
>
> Hi Shawn,
>
>
>
> Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There are
> just too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who
> knows what they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the
> right boat, even at a distance in the right condition at the right price,
> even if you have to have it trucked to you.  You'll end up spending the
> equivalent cost to move the boat just getting this one in proper shape,
> and  you'll avoid a lot of heartburn.
>
>
>
> When we bought our boat, we knew that the fresh water, propane, and
> charging system all had issues, the sail covers desperately needed to be
> replaced, and while kept relatively clean it had basically sat at the dock
> for years.  However the boat was basically sound, having had a lot of
> professional upgrades added 8 years earlier.  Two years later, we have a
> great boat, but our project list has now exceeded 200 individual small
> projects, we're down to 22 short term and 15 long term (mostly to be done
> at haulout).  Yet, last weekend I found another where a wire leading out
> from the battery charger had corroded due to poor installation.  That, in
> turn is driving me to add a 3rd battery to the house bank while I'm at
> it...  And, though I enjoy working on my boat, I'm getting a little tired
> seeing a list with some of the same items still staring at me 24 months
> in.
>
>
>
> There's no way I would intentionally buy a boat that I think might need to
> be fully rewired.  Good wire and connectors add up more quickly than you
> think, and that's one of those jobs that will require a LOT 

Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

IMHO, you can get a lot of boat for $20K these days if you’re willing to buy an 
older one and have the patience to find a good one.  I paid $25K for my 1978 34 
in the 1990s.  I ended up selling it about six years ago for $22K.  In the 
meantime, I repainted the hull, added a barrier coat on the bottom, replaced 
most of the standing rigging, replaced all of the running rigging, replaced the 
old fuse panel Blue Sea circuits, re-wired the 120V shore system, replaced the 
old windows with opening Lewmars, re-tabbed the salon bulkheads, replaced the 
holding tank and toilet, replaced all the sails for local club racing, etc.  By 
the time I was done, the boat was worth $40-50K.  Nevertheless, the market for 
a 1978 boat was less than the $25K I paid for it.

The bottom line is you need to find the right boat.  Given all the discussion, 
it sounds to me that Shawn has not.

From: Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:43 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Neil E. Andersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Jim,

 

I think your friend is overly pessimistic.  We are not seeing that kind of  
differential on boats here on the east coast where my firm operates (MD, VA, 
SC, FL).

 

Neil

1982 C 32, FoxFire

Rock Hall MD

 

Full disclosure, I am a Yacht Broker

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of jim aridas via 
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jim aridas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

 

The market for auxiliary sail is SO soft. For 25k you can get a really great 
turn key boat. Most boats are selling for 1/2 of asking price, as per a friend 
who owns a yacht brokerage company out of Central NJ.

Jim

Galaxy 34

Get Outlook for Android

 




From: CnC-List  on behalf of rjcasciato--- via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:28:28 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns 

 

Shawn, I agree with Bruce..
Let this one go
If you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "
Don't spend them of stuff like this

Ron
Impromptu
C 38 MKII
1977.

My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.you don't want to 
know how much time and money that takes. 



Sent from Xfinity Connect Application


-Original Message-

From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
Sent: 2019-04-24 7:24:48 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Hi Shawn,

 

Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There are just 
too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who knows what 
they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the right boat, even 
at a distance in the right condition at the right price, even if you have to 
have it trucked to you.  You'll end up spending the equivalent cost to move the 
boat just getting this one in proper shape, and  you'll avoid a lot of 
heartburn.

 

When we bought our boat, we knew that the fresh water, propane, and charging 
system all had issues, the sail covers desperately needed to be replaced, and 
while kept relatively clean it had basically sat at the dock for years.  
However the boat was basically sound, having had a lot of professional upgrades 
added 8 years earlier.  Two years later, we have a great boat, but our project 
list has now exceeded 200 individual small projects, we're down to 22 short 
term and 15 long term (mostly to be done at haulout).  Yet, last weekend I 
found another where a wire leading out from the battery charger had corroded 
due to poor installation.  That, in turn is driving me to add a 3rd battery to 
the house bank while I'm at it...  And, though I enjoy working on my boat, I'm 
getting a little tired seeing a list with some of the same items still staring 
at me 24 months in.  

 

There's no way I would intentionally buy a boat that I think might need to be 
fully rewired.  Good wire and connectors add up more quickly than you think, 
and that's one of those jobs that will require a LOT gymnastics inside of tight 
places!

 

Sorry to be the downer here, but you're asking for opinions...

 

Bruce Whitmore 

1994 C 37/40+"Astralis "

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung tablet.

 




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Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

These boats are OLD now. The original wiring C did during that time period 
was crap to put it mildly, so stupid owner tricks or not the wiring would need 
redoing unless the boat never got near any salt water. There is almost no 
original wiring left on my boat. Do not forget you are buying a used version of 
a $300,000 boat, so for less than 10% of that price you are not going to get 
anything that looks like a brand new boat. For some perspective, when we bought 
our C 35 MK I we paid more for the boat then we paid for our suburban house.
That boat may be a mess or may need some relatively simple repairs. The ports 
are pretty easy DIY jobs, I did mine some years ago and free hand cut the new 
ports with a jig saw by tracing the old ones on a sheet of Plexi.

Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I


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Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[Neil E. Andersen via CnC-List]

Jim,

 

I think your friend is overly pessimistic.  We are not seeing that kind of
differential on boats here on the east coast where my firm operates (MD, VA,
SC, FL).

 

Neil

1982 C 32, FoxFire

Rock Hall MD

 

Full disclosure, I am a Yacht Broker

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of jim aridas via
CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: jim aridas 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

 

The market for auxiliary sail is SO soft. For 25k you can get a really great
turn key boat. Most boats are selling for 1/2 of asking price, as per a
friend who owns a yacht brokerage company out of Central NJ.

Jim

Galaxy 34

Get Outlook for Android  

 

  _  

From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > on behalf of rjcasciato--- via
CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:28:28 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net  
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns 

 

Shawn, I agree with Bruce..
Let this one go
If you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "
Don't spend them of stuff like this

Ron
Impromptu
C 38 MKII
1977.

My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.you don't want
to know how much time and money that takes. 



Sent from Xfinity Connect Application


-Original Message-

From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net  
Sent: 2019-04-24 7:24:48 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Hi Shawn,

 

Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There are
just too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who
knows what they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the
right boat, even at a distance in the right condition at the right price,
even if you have to have it trucked to you.  You'll end up spending the
equivalent cost to move the boat just getting this one in proper shape, and
you'll avoid a lot of heartburn.

 

When we bought our boat, we knew that the fresh water, propane, and charging
system all had issues, the sail covers desperately needed to be replaced,
and while kept relatively clean it had basically sat at the dock for years.
However the boat was basically sound, having had a lot of professional
upgrades added 8 years earlier.  Two years later, we have a great boat, but
our project list has now exceeded 200 individual small projects, we're down
to 22 short term and 15 long term (mostly to be done at haulout).  Yet, last
weekend I found another where a wire leading out from the battery charger
had corroded due to poor installation.  That, in turn is driving me to add a
3rd battery to the house bank while I'm at it...  And, though I enjoy
working on my boat, I'm getting a little tired seeing a list with some of
the same items still staring at me 24 months in.  

 

There's no way I would intentionally buy a boat that I think might need to
be fully rewired.  Good wire and connectors add up more quickly than you
think, and that's one of those jobs that will require a LOT gymnastics
inside of tight places!

 

Sorry to be the downer here, but you're asking for opinions...

 

Bruce Whitmore 

1994 C 37/40+"Astralis "

 

 

 

Sent from Samsung tablet.

 

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Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[jim aridas via CnC-List]

The market for auxiliary sail is SO soft. For 25k you can get a really great 
turn key boat. Most boats are selling for 1/2 of asking price, as per a friend 
who owns a yacht brokerage company out of Central NJ.
Jim
Galaxy 34

Get Outlook for Android


From: CnC-List  on behalf of rjcasciato--- via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 10:28:28 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: rjcasci...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Shawn, I agree with Bruce..
Let this one go
If you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "
Don't spend them of stuff like this

Ron
Impromptu
C 38 MKII
1977.

My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.you don't want to 
know how much time and money that takes.



Sent from Xfinity Connect Application


-Original Message-

From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
Sent: 2019-04-24 7:24:48 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

Hi Shawn,

Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There are just 
too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who knows what 
they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the right boat, even 
at a distance in the right condition at the right price, even if you have to 
have it trucked to you.  You'll end up spending the equivalent cost to move the 
boat just getting this one in proper shape, and  you'll avoid a lot of 
heartburn.

When we bought our boat, we knew that the fresh water, propane, and charging 
system all had issues, the sail covers desperately needed to be replaced, and 
while kept relatively clean it had basically sat at the dock for years.  
However the boat was basically sound, having had a lot of professional upgrades 
added 8 years earlier.  Two years later, we have a great boat, but our project 
list has now exceeded 200 individual small projects, we're down to 22 short 
term and 15 long term (mostly to be done at haulout).  Yet, last weekend I 
found another where a wire leading out from the battery charger had corroded 
due to poor installation.  That, in turn is driving me to add a 3rd battery to 
the house bank while I'm at it...  And, though I enjoy working on my boat, I'm 
getting a little tired seeing a list with some of the same items still staring 
at me 24 months in.

There's no way I would intentionally buy a boat that I think might need to be 
fully rewired.  Good wire and connectors add up more quickly than you think, 
and that's one of those jobs that will require a LOT gymnastics inside of tight 
places!

Sorry to be the downer here, but you're asking for opinions...

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C 37/40+"Astralis "



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Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[rjcasciato--- via CnC-List]

Shawn, I agree with Bruce..Let this one goIf you're retired, then you are already operating on "Life Minutes "Don't spend them of stuff like thisRonImpromptuC 38 MKII1977.My boat looks and races like it just came out of the mold.you don't want to know how much time and money that takes. Sent from Xfinity Connect Application-Original Message-From: cnc-list@cnc-list.comTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comCc: bwhitm...@sbcglobal.netSent: 2019-04-24 7:24:48 AM Subject: Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concernsHi Shawn,Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There are just too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who knows what they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the right boat, even at a distance in the right condition at the right price, even if you have to have it trucked to you.  You'll end up spending the equivalent cost to move the boat just getting this one in proper shape, and  you'll avoid a lot of heartburn.When we bought our boat, we knew that the fresh water, propane, and charging system all had issues, the sail covers desperately needed to be replaced, and while kept relatively clean it had basically sat at the dock for years.  However the boat was basically sound, having had a lot of professional upgrades added 8 years earlier.  Two years later, we have a great boat, but our project list has now exceeded 200 individual small projects, we're down to 22 short term and 15 long term (mostly to be done at haulout).  Yet, last weekend I found another where a wire leading out from the battery charger had corroded due to poor installation.  That, in turn is driving me to add a 3rd battery to the house bank while I'm at it...  And, though I enjoy working on my boat, I'm getting a little tired seeing a list with some of the same items still staring at me 24 months in.  There's no way I would intentionally buy a boat that I think might need to be fully rewired.  Good wire and connectors add up more quickly than you think, and that's one of those jobs that will require a LOT gymnastics inside of tight places!Sorry to be the downer here, but you're asking for opinions...Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis "Sent from Samsung tablet.

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Re: Stus-List Delivery Captain?

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

City Island, NY to Venice, FL

On Apr 24, 2019, at 7:30 AM, Neil Andersen  wrote:

From where to where?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661
 
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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 7:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Delivery Captain?
 
Listers,

Does anyone have a recommendation for an east-coast delivery captain?  

I have already reached out to fellow lister Andy Burton, but would like to get 
a few quotes. 

All the best, 

Edd

---
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Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
www.StarshipSailing.com
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[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

>From where to where?

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


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Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 7:18 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Edd Schillay
Subject: Stus-List Delivery Captain?

Listers,

Does anyone have a recommendation for an east-coast delivery captain?

I have already reached out to fellow lister Andy Burton, but would like to get 
a few quotes.

All the best,

Edd

---
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Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
www.StarshipSailing.com
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Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[bwhitmore via CnC-List]

Hi Shawn,Realistically,  I think you should walk away  from that boat.  There 
are just too many owner modifications that have not been done by someone who 
knows what they are doing in a marine environment.  Consider finding the right 
boat, even at a distance in the right condition at the right price, even if you 
have to have it trucked to you.  You'll end up spending the equivalent cost to 
move the boat just getting this one in proper shape, and  you'll avoid a lot of 
heartburn.When we bought our boat, we knew that the fresh water, propane, and 
charging system all had issues, the sail covers desperately needed to be 
replaced, and while kept relatively clean it had basically sat at the dock for 
years.  However the boat was basically sound, having had a lot of professional 
upgrades added 8 years earlier.  Two years later, we have a great boat, but our 
project list has now exceeded 200 individual small projects, we're down to 22 
short term and 15 long term (mostly to be done at haulout).  Yet, last weekend 
I found another where a wire leading out from the battery charger had corroded 
due to poor installation.  That, in turn is driving me to add a 3rd battery to 
the house bank while I'm at it...  And, though I enjoy working on my boat, I'm 
getting a little tired seeing a list with some of the same items still staring 
at me 24 months in.  There's no way I would intentionally buy a boat that I 
think might need to be fully rewired.  Good wire and connectors add up more 
quickly than you think, and that's one of those jobs that will require a LOT 
gymnastics inside of tight places!Sorry to be the downer here, but you're 
asking for opinions...Bruce Whitmore 1994 C 37/40+"Astralis "Sent from 
Samsung tablet.
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[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Listers,

Does anyone have a recommendation for an east-coast delivery captain?  

I have already reached out to fellow lister Andy Burton, but would like to get 
a few quotes. 

All the best, 

Edd

---
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Captain of the “Starship Enterprise”
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island Yacht Club | City Island, NY
www.StarshipSailing.com
---
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Re: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

[Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List]

Shawn

That's not much money to pay for a boat. This is why you are finding issues. A 
35 footer in great shape would cost much more. If you want less issues for that 
price consider the c 30. 

That said I am sure you can sort through the issues at your own pace and 
comfort. The windows are probably the easiest. Remove outer spline, remove 
panes, have new panes made locally and then replace spline (rv shop) and inner 
gasket. Easy and cheap.  Consider removing the watermaker to simplify the 
engine setup. You could probably sell that to recover some costs.  Remove the 
extra batteries and tidy up electrical. Then go sailing and pick at your list 
of projects over the coming years. It is a boat. It is a very old boat. This is 
what boats are. Trust us ... we all have to deal with old boat issues even on 
new boats

Mike
Persistence
1987 Fryers 33 #16
Www.hoytsailing.com 

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Sent: April 23, 2019 11:23 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Shawn Wright
Subject: Stus-List C 35-2 concerns

We're getting down to the final days before closing on the C 35-2, and I'm 
getting a bit discouraged by the number of things needing work, and the way in 
which the previous owner did a lot of things:

-the electrical is a mess, with the original fuse panel having quite a few 
additional switches, and while the original wire runs have been replaced, 
seeing the quality of work make me want to just rip it all out and start again. 
Most of it works, and the junctions are soldered/heatshrunk, but it appears 
that left over wire was used in many places.

-the engine is *very* complex, and scary to try to comprehend, with hoses 
criss-crossing between the engine and both cockput locker areas for a 
watermaker, two heat exchangers, hot water tank, etc. Lots of valves and very 
little consistency in hose or valve type/diameter, and mix of plastic, steel 
and bronze fittings.

-the engine itself is a VW 1.6 diesel, which I am intimately familiar with, 
having worked on many, but it's all the custom marine add-ons that worry me. It 
runs well, but I know that this probably the primary reason the boat has not 
sold for a year. Imagine a typical marine engine, then multiply the hoses and 
valves by 4-5x.

-windows are original and completely opaque, although they amazingly don't seem 
to leak

-it has space for 3 pairs of 6V golf cart batteries, but only 4 installed. I 
found the cables for the other 2 batteries lying loose, not taped, and was 
shocked (pun intended) to find they were live! I taped them off quickly. Stuff 
like this on a boat just makes me wonder what else I will find, although I've 
scoured the boat pretty heavily, so have probably found the worst of it.

On the positive side, we took it out in the harbour today in winds of 20kn with 
gusts to 35 and the engine easily powered her to 5kn into the wind and 6.5kn 
downwind. Getting her out and back into the dock was a challenge though. I 
would have preferred to stay out and try sailing to see how she handled, but 
the owner was not keen on it.

The problem is this: I have spent a year trying to find a boat, and now just 
want to go sailing. There is a nice looking C 30 for about the same price 
right next to it, and another across town that I looked at before, in excellent 
shape. Or there is an Ericson 29 that is spartan but meticulous kept for half 
the price. I know the Ericson is much slower (rates around 195) but they sail 
quite well I'm told. I'm just having a hard time coming to terms with spending 
$22K for a boat that needs so much work, even a 35-2. Someone who is less 
particular than me might not see a problem, but I suspect many others have, or 
the boat would have sold already. The owner already told me that even if I find 
problems he will not go below $21500, since he has two other buyers waiting, so 
I have to decide if this boat is worth it given the amount of work it will need 
in the future. I suspect when it comes time to sell, I will not be able to do 
so unless I drop a more common engine in.

Buying a boat should not be this difficult!

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com

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