Re: Stus-List Octopus on a Landfall 38

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

I can speak to this...although I have a 37, not a Landfall 38, the issues which 
Fred addresses are the same; pinched stern and zero wiggle room below 
decks...are the same; it was tough getting ours to fit and took several 
attempts and placements before we finally settled on a location; on my boat the 
octopus drive sits in the stern area, just aft of the quarter berth and on a 
slant (I believe the technical term is cattywampus) which doesn't look like it 
will match at all with the radial drive; but once adjusted, it does a marvelous 
job and steers true!   It's a lot of effort but with it not to have the 
mechanism on the wheel.
 

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
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Cc: Frederick G Street 
Sent: Wed, Sep 7, 2016 8:07 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Octopus on a Landfall 38


Paul — regardless of tiller arm or radial drive (NOT quadrant — thanks, Chuck 
Gilchrest!  :^), the geometry of the drive to the rudder post is the same: you 
need to mount the drive pin X inches from the center of the rudder post.  So 
the angle through which the drive has to rotate is the same.  The biggest issue 
with the Octopus drive on the Landfall 38 (besides the fact that there's no 
room around the steering area) is the fact that the rod that Octopus uses as 
the ram actually extends out past the mounting base when the drive is 
retracted, which limits the mounting locations as the stern pinches in so much 
on the LF38.


The 1212LAM12 (or the version with the remote pump, the 1212LAR12) would be my 
choice, as well; I’ve been looking at this issue of below-deck drives for my 
boat for years, and I really like the Octopus drives.  I’ve sold several to 
people on the list; I just haven’t gotten around to doing it myself.   :^)


Anyway, the geometry is fine for the Octopus drive, if you can find the room, 
along with a mechanically-inclined very small person with very long arms to do 
the install…


— Fred






Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI









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Re: Stus-List Anchor test - recommended lunch hook/kedge?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dave, I use a danforth as my second anchor; 35 lb CQR as primary; last 
Saturday I rode out a line of several squalls which came from 180 degrees 
opposite of my primary anchor position, the danforth held through all of them; 
while several boat, which had set only a bow anchor struggled and drug anchors; 
we were in about 14 ft. of water with a mud bottom...  so, the danforths do 
work; although, if I were in sand or rock, I might want one of those 
fortresses!  

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Syerdave--- via CnC-List 
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Cc: syerd...@gmail.com 
Sent: Sun, Aug 28, 2016 8:56 pm
Subject: Stus-List  Anchor test - recommended lunch hook/kedge?




Quite a pair of testimonials... And some interesting replies.


Based on  the replies here  and much of what I've read online, there is little 
point in having a danforth type when a larger and smaller rocna, delta or Bruce 
type would cover both bower and kedge applications.   What does surprise me is 
the hype around the fortress, which many find troublesome or impossible to set 
in certain conditions.  (As I did)  Will play around with mine a bit more, but 
will certainly invest in something more consistently reliable.


Thanks. Dave.






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Re: Stus-List Grand adventure/ long distance sailing in a C

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Such a trip has all the earmarks of a pub conversation...likely some bravado 
talk and dare made...I can almost hear it.."yeah, well my boat can make all the 
way to the Lighthouse and back"..."Oh yeah, well I can go to the English 
Channel...: Ok you're on...we leave tonightcue the seagulls and fade to 
daylight...
 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
To: C List 
Cc: Marek Dziedzic 
Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2016 9:25 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grand adventure/ long distance sailing in a C



Interesting. Two different boats do the same sailing trip, both of them from 
Halifax. I wonder what they add to the drinking water in Halifax.
 
Btw. I think that the guys I know did it in a different (not C) boat and a 
little bit bigger (30 or 31 ft.).
 
Marek
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 



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Re: Stus-List Ken Heilwell book

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Ron, I paid $34.00 US which includes shipping just yesterday at Amazon

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ronald B. Frerker 
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 9:43 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Ken Heilwell book



I must be dense; one place seems to indicate the book is around twenty bucks 
and another is in the hundreds.
What am I reading wrong?
Ron





  
 
 
  

 
  

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Re: Stus-List Centreboard

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Mike, thanks; So, you didn't use the centerboard at all on your trip?
Thanks again and keep us posted on your progress and the photos coming!  

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Persuasion37 via CnC-List <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
To: cnc-list <cnc-list@cnc-list.com>
Cc: Persuasion37 <persuasio...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 3:25 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Centreboard



Hi Richard


Several years ago during haul out I noticed the board was not up all the way 
and the fibreglass at the end was frayed.  The crane director asked me what I 
wanted to do. I had no choice but to place Persuasion in her cradle.  As she 
was set down on her keel you could hear the fibreglass crunch.  From then on it 
was jammed up.  Probably low water and backing in and out on my slipped caused 
the fibreglass damage and spreading on the board breaking the seal of the 
filler.

Mike
PERSUASION

C 37 K/CB

Long Sault


On Aug 23, 2016, at 11:46 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
<cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:



 Mike, thanks for sharing, they are fascinating photos! I recall that you had 
some centerboard issues during your trip; what was the source of the "chunk" 
out of the leading edge of the board?  Thanks



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Re: Stus-List Centreboard

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Mike, thanks for sharing, they are fascinating photos! I recall that you had 
some centerboard issues during your trip; what was the source of the "chunk" 
out of the leading edge of the board?  Thanks

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; 1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Persuasion37 via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Persuasion37 
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 10:50 am
Subject: Stus-List Centreboard




I’ve added more pictures of my centreboard repair.  Find them here.
 
Mike
S/V Persuasion
C 37 Keel/CB
www.persuasion37.com
Long Sault


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Re: Stus-List Ken Heilwell book

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Stevan, thanks for the reference on the book; I just ordered a copy...I'll do 
a review once it arrives

 


Richard
s/v Bushmark4; C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Stevan Plavsa 
Sent: Tue, Aug 23, 2016 9:46 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grand adventure/ long distance sailing in a C



I was going to mention Ken Hellewell but David beat me to it. You may be able 
to identify the bow of a C 38 (not Landfall) on the cover of his book:
https://www.amazon.ca/Kens-Cruising-Yacht/dp/0972749225


I think it's a 38, anyway. That book has been on my wish list for a while. 
We just sailed our 32 from Killarney to Penetang - not "offshore" but 21 hours 
and no land in sight for some time. It's not a big deal, but it felt that way 
to me and the lady. Boat has always proven tougher than us. We have no ego 
about the sailing anymore and I'm not afraid to admit that I am a fair weather 
sailor :)
We pick our weather. When you're crossing an ocean you don't really get that 
luxury. We've made similar passages on Lake Ontario - the great lakes can be 
really rough, but you get to pick your weather so it's avoidable, most of the 
time. We have gotten caught out in some really scary stuff anyway and the boat 
is always tougher than we are. 


Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto


 

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Re: Stus-List Grand adventure/ long distance sailing in a C

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Don't forget the Atlantic voyage that Antoine Rose did in a 1970s 30, which is 
featured in the FRONT PAGE of the Photo Album 
 

 


Richard
s/v  Bushmark4 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Andrew Burton via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Andrew Burton 
Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2016 4:49 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Grand adventure/ long distance sailing in a C



My wife and I just sailed from Newport to SW Harbor, Maine. Left Friday 
afternoon and took two nights to get here. Pick your weather and it's easy. 


Andy
C 40
Peregrine 

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840


http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260


On Aug 22, 2016, at 13:22, Daniel Sheer via CnC-List  
wrote:




I bought Pegathy in Ft. Lauderdale and sailed her up to Baltimore. Last year, 
sailed to Nantucket and back. Coasting is fun and pretty easy. Best to have 4 
or more crew when you overnight offshore, even coasting. Active Captain is a 
great app, best if you're computer or tablet has a GIS reciever.  Pick your 
weather when you're coasting, BECAUSE YOU CAN! Read the book Storm Tactics. 
Make allowance for gear failure. Carry extra fuel and water. 



Fair winds and following seas to you.


Dan Sheer, 

Pegathy LF38 - Rock Creek off the Patapsco



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Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Great idea RandyI'll send some Kentucky Bourbon tooStu, where do you 
want shipped?

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB, Ohio River, Mle 584.4

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: RANDY via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Sent: Thu, Aug 18, 2016 11:18 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s



Thanks Stu.  I found it on the Wayback Machine: 
https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/owners/* (then 
filter results by .htm).


I could ship you some good rum if that would help :)


Cheers,
Randy







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Re: Stus-List List of all boats...

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 This is a fascinating topic...sooo, how about the other boatsobviously to 
do all of them is a daunting taskI will volunteer to compile the 37  (in 
production from 1981-1985) and send that info to Stu for inclusion somewhere on 
the album...Stu, please let me know if this becomes too onerous of a 
task...thanks! 

 
37 owners, I would like to compile this list similar to the others; name, rank 
and ZCC numbers please...! (and thanks)





Richard
1985 C 37 CB, Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Stu via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Stu 
Sent: Thu, Aug 18, 2016 10:56 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List List of 30-1s




The list of owners is not available on the Photo Album at this time.  It 
crashed a few years back and I never took the time to restore it.
 
I guess now is the time to get working on it and get the list working again.  
Give me a couple of days (weeks) and it will be back.  We will be land yachting 
for a couple of weeks and it will depend on wifi being accessible and how much 
rum & coke is left.
 
Stu



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Re: Stus-List Water everywhere

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis, our thoughts and prayers for the families who have lost homes and have 
been displaced...all of that rain is coming north to the Ohio valley...we're 
getting it now!
.but...how are the boats doing...? (I know you are in Pensacola per an earlier 
email) 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Mon, Aug 15, 2016 9:20 am
Subject: Stus-List Water everywhere






Perhaps you've seen the news about the flooding in south Louisiana.  It's been 
bad.  Lots of folks flooded out.  Lots of sad stories.


The water began to enter my neighborhood in Baton Rouge early yesterday 
morning.  The Admiral and I watched the water slowly rise in the street in 
front of our house.  It filled the street then crept over the sidewalk inching 
its way toward the house.  It stopped about 8 last night 20 inches below the 
elevation of the house floor.  We still have water in the street but it's 
receding slowly.  Others weren't so lucky.


Many of the Admiral's family and friends were flooded.  


Roads are still closed.  It will be days before many folks can return to their 
homes to assess damage.


To make this sailing related, I keep Touche' sails in a commercial storage 
nearby.  The storage building is adjacent the bayou which backflowed into our 
neighborhood.  The Admiral and I went to the storage unit yesterday morning to 
raise stuff off the floor.  Touche's sails didn't get raised.  I'll go visit 
the storage later today.  Hopefully it remained dry.  Otherwise I'll be drying 
sails all week and being grateful it's not clothes, furniture and belongings.


Thoughts and prayers to all affected.



Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA










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Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision; Lake sailing

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Per Neil's description of sailing on the LakesHeck, I'd like to have those 
conditions! We sail on the Ohio River which is generously listed as a mile 
wide, but of course, is verrry long(938 miles); we tack a lot!

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Neil Andersen via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Neil Andersen 
Sent: Thu, Aug 11, 2016 7:11 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List A VERY tough decision



Hank,
 
I know I live between the tops of Skaneateles and Owasco.  Unless the wind is 
right, you would spend so much time coming about.  Lakes aren’t very wide, but 
your point is well made.
 
Neil
 



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Re: Stus-List Coquina Hull Color

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Joe, nice photo...what is your hull color?  Thanks 

 


Richard
1985 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Tue, Jul 26, 2016 10:43 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Pearson 30 available cheap



Oops – forgot – the boat is in Baltimore.
Here is a photo of her rafted up to me:
http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/images/coquinaanddreamon1.JPG
 
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 10:27
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Stus-List Pearson 30 available cheap

 

A friend is moving up to a trawler and needs his Pearson 30 gone ASAP to free 
up his slip. The boat is in decent shape with a hardly used roller furling 
genoa. The engine is still winterized from the fall. 
If anyone needs a P-30 for a few thousand dollars let me know.
 
 
Joe Della Barba
DCSI
410-966-7255

 
 


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Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Like Bill, we've been racing for many years, we race on the Ohio River, so we 
get short courses and strange layouts, the real fun is when a fully loaded 1000 
ft barge and towboat come through the middle of the fleet in mid-start!

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

-Original Message-
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Cc: Bill Coleman 
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2016 9:02 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wednesday Night racing



We’ve been doing if for 18 years, the highlight of ourweek.
Wednesday nite JAM racing literally saved our fleet.
 
Bill Coleman
C 39 Erie, PA
 





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Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 

 Dennis; the Technautics are about 3 times the prices of the other two 
units...are they that much better?


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
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To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Wed, Jul 6, 2016 2:10 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?





While you're at it, investigate Technautics refrigeration systems.  Pricey but 
good.  Claims lowest amp draw.  My buddy has installed several with great 
results.  

http://www.technauticsinc.com/

I chose an Isotherm ASU unit for Touche'.



Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA



On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Dave via CnC-List  
wrote:


Thanks Paul, Edd.


My original refrigerAtion unit (nova cool?) is still working so I had not 
planned to  tackle that quite yet. Will research Engels and Adler Barbour.   Is 
the upgrade worthwhile or is this really something to consider once replacement 
is necessary?  


The all in one approach looks very elegant - Paul, do you have a photo of the 
install?  Curious.


And...  Lol ... I guess I have not been whacked in the head quite enough to 
have thought of the single piece hinged lid approach.  What a great idea. 
Thanks!


Dave


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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 18:16:11 +
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To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List 33-2 - what's in the fridge?
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Dave,

We added an all in one refrigeration unit to our 33-2, one of the best upgrades 
yet! Used this unit 
http://www.westmarine.com/buy/waeco-adler-barbour--coolmatic-cooling-conversion-kit--7895881

installed it on the cockpit side of the icebox, had to cut the cockpit bulkhead 
also. The insulation was in good shape, and about 3" thick. Last weekend we 
found ice in some of the water bottles after we left it turned a bit too far 
down.

We also reworked the lid, as I got tired of it hitting me. I removed the hinges 
on the back side, and hinged it in the middle so it folds onto its other half. 
This also means we can remove completely to fill, empty or clean the icebox.

Get Outlook for iOS




On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 1:30 PM -0400, "Dave Syer via CnC-List" 
> wrote:

Hi All,
Seems the boat is never "done".I read a recent thread here on older 
iceboxes and the benefit of improved insulation, and wonder about my '85.
As other work gets done, the ice box has moved up the project list a bit.

I replaced the gasket and the manual drain pump, and will need to tighten the 
lid screws to address wear/lid wobble, (might need screw holes filled) and 
replace the rusting and now detached wire basket/shelf inside.  For sure the 
small gap between the two lid sections could be sealed somehow, and I will cut 
a closed-cell foam "blanket" to cover the top.  This should help deal with the 
gap as well as insulate a bit better.   After that, the work gets more invasive 
as the insulated (we hope) cavities are quite difficult to access.

Has anyone tackled a 33-2 ice box?  I am wondering mostly about the amount of 
insulation and whether it was installed effectively.   Any thoughts or advice 
would be much appreciated!

Dave Syer
'85 33-2 Windstar.
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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 14:33:02 -0400
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Dave,

I?ve heard a lot of good things about Engel ? it?s what I?m planning on using 
when I redo the refrigeration on the Enterprise.

See: 
http://www.engelcoolers.com/fridge-freezers/shop-by-adventure/rv/scqt-4408f-u1-i
 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
















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Re: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada OR the US

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Mike, I feel your pain! I have the CNG and I cannot even find a place that 
will attempt to refill it, except for the place in Oregon; which would require 
shipping the tank to them, having it filled and then having it shipped back to 
menot a viable option for me...  I have looked into converting and it is a 
bout a $2000 project...
anyone else out there with any ideas? Thanks

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Hoyt, Mike 
Sent: Thu, Jun 23, 2016 8:32 am
Subject: Stus-List CNG tank refill, purchase or exchange in Canada



We discussed this three months ago and I have been working on it since.  The 
cooking fuel on our Frers 33 and on a friend’s Sabre 34 as well as a number of 
other boats manufactured in the 1980s was Compressed Natural Gas (CNG).  We 
have a gas distributor in Nova Scotia (Heritage Gas) that supplies large CNG 
bottles to commercial customers where they do not have pipes to supply natural 
gas.  They do not have a consumer refilling side.
 
I have found that since our boats were purchased in US (and built there) the 
CNG canisters we have are DOT certified (which is US only) and not CTC so have 
no Canadian certification.  In order to have refilled they need to be certified 
in Canada and then we need to find a place to have them refilled.  One option 
is to purchase new tanks the same way we do for propane.
 
The reason I am sticking with CNG and not converting to propane is that I do 
not have a propane locker.  CNG is lighter than air and does not require one.  
My only option for Propane would be to hang a tank off the pushpit, modify the 
gas lines to reach it and modify the oven to accept it.  Refilling the tanks is 
a much more attractive option.
 
I have purchased the boat CNG refill adaptor that Joe mentioned below.  I also 
have an idea where I may be able to refill a tank and I have managed to find 
one Canadian certified tank.  All of that was a three month long endeavor.
 
I then had an idea.  Surely it is possible in Canada to purchase a new tank of 
the correct specifications that is certified bot Canada and US.  It must also 
be possible to have this filled as a normal course of business thru one of our 
regular gas and tank supply companies such as Praxair or Air Liquide.  Does 
anyone on this list have experience with where to purchase these tanks with the 
appropriate valves and who would fill them?  The alternative would be to drive 
to the nearest place that exchanges these tanks which I believe is Camden 
Maine.  That is a 12 hour driove and involves transporting gas canisters over 
an International border …
 
Thanks
 
Mike
Persistence
Halifax, NS
 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Della Barba, 
Joe via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2016 3:10 PM
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com'
Cc: Della Barba, Joe
Subject: Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills

 
The tanks is a modified SCUBA tank. 1100 PSI is about just under half full. 
They are usually about 2200-2400 when topped off.
You need to go on FleaBay and look for an adapter to hook your tank up to the 
CNG station to fill it. They hold about $4 worth of gas. Your other choice is 
to find a marina that does CNG tank exchange for about $100!  
Something like THIS is what you need:
http://www.morgan38.org/morgan38/index.php?threads/cng-adapter-to-refuel-cng-tanks-from-cng-vehicle-refuelling-pump.10262/
 
 
Joe
Coquina
C 35 MK I
CNG Stove

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Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 I had not heard of it either, but the furling line for my boat had the core 
removed for the part of the line which was wrapped around the drum...which is 
most of the line...it took a bit getting used to the feel of it, but it works, 
(which is the most important part)!

 


Richard
1985 C 27 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4;


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2016 3:00 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Roller Furling Line



Never heard of removing the core.  Sounds stupid!  I could see stripping cover. 
If the line is as long as the boat, you are probably OK.


Joel





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Re: Stus-List C and C 25-25, now burying the rail

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Agree with Randy...I had both a 25-2 and a 29-2; I rarely buried the rail on 
the 25 stuck it routinely on the 29I now have a 37 and look forward to 
getting the rail wet...yahoo!

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: randy via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: randy ; 'Martin Kane' 
Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2016 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List C and C 25 water in lockers under settees



H Martin, suggest you check out the stability diagram:  
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/technical/stability.htm
 
 
randy
Tamanawas
29-II
Hood River, OR
 
 
 


 
 

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Re: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Randy, good job; I had a very similar incident here on the Ohio River about 
three years ago when an over loaded runabout sank and we were the only boat 
near; there were 6 people on this boat, two adults and four teenagers; no one 
wearing life jackets, no one could swim and there are a ferocious current 
running; my wife and I were on my C 29 and threw life jackets, boat cushions 
and anything that would float at them, we rescued five of them and one adult 
nod not make it; the rescue was made even more difficult because the teenager 
only spoke Spanish,,,which I didn't!The Police and rescue gave my wife  and 
I a commendation award, but I am still haunted by not getting every one safely 
on board...  

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: RANDY via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: RANDY 
Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2016 4:18 pm
Subject: Stus-List Friday Night Rescue



Just a little story to share with you all.


Went out for a leisure sail Friday evening with my daughter her friend, in 
Beaufort 4 or 5 conditions.  We sailed under main only, and there was a 15" 
whitecap chop on the water.  Hardly any boats on the lake, but one windsurfer 
really hauling ass.


Out in the middle of the lake, we heard some yelling, and looked around to see 
three PFD-less people standing on a small low fiberglass fishing boat that was 
going down by the stern.  I barely had time to say "shit, they're sinking."  
Next time I looked, the boat was gone, and the people were in the water amongst 
various debris.  There were no other boats in the vicinity and I realized we 
were going to have to rescue them as quickly as we could.


Started my Atomic-4 without running the blower first, luffed my main, drove to 
them, and threw out my life sling.  Had to circle them three or four times 
dragging the life sling line by them, before we could get them all pulled in 
and aboard via the swim ladder.  I missed on the first try or two just due to 
the wind and water conditions and my main flogging.  One of them was about 30 
yards from the other two, who told me to get the lone guy first.  By the time 
we got the other two aboard, they'd been in the 68-degree water probably ten 
minutes.


Dropped the main, drove to the marina, docked at the launch ramp, and called 
911 for the first guy at the request of the second one.  I think he was very 
intoxicated or high on something.  He was incoherent and unable to move his 
body well, and it wasn't from exhaustion.  Plus his friends told me to get him 
first, so they must have known something.


Anyway, couple lessons learned.  First, my life sling line was not already tied 
off with the life sling in the bag.  It should have been.  Had to tell my 
daughter's friend to tie it off before throwing it out.  Second, in all the 
chaos we forgot to give them blankets when we got them aboard.  One went below 
and my daughter gave them all towels, but they were all at least very cold if 
not in the beginning stages of hypothermia.  Third, don't expect the Chatfield 
State Park rangers to respond to a mayday hail on VHF 16 - I hailed as soon as 
I grasped what was happening, to no avail.


It was lucky that I was in the right place at the right time.  There were no 
other boats around.  These three were too far in the middle of the lake to swim 
to shore and I don't know if they could have given the conditions (including 
theirs).  And I'm glad we were able to get a line to them before having to 
witness any of them drowning.  Couldn't have done without my daughter and her 
friend (both 22-ish) - that would have been too much for me to manage alone.


After we unloaded them, filed our statements, put the boat away, and drove 
home, we toasted the good things in life with many dark & stormies and 
whitecaps.  I'd never seen anything like that before, and I hope I don't have 
to again.


Best Regards,
Randy Stafford
S/V Grenadine
C 30-1 #7
Ken Caryl, CO

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Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Jack, if replacing an older light fixture with a new one, such as the 
Alpenglow LED lights, (see below), can you use the existing wiring? or must new 
wiring be run to the fixture? Thanks
 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jack Fitzgerald via CnC-List 
To: C 
Cc: Jack Fitzgerald 
Sent: Fri, Jun 10, 2016 10:53 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Salon Lighting



Bill,


Take a look at the Alpenglow LED lights. I replaced all of the old thin light 
with these and although pricy, the work very well and look great





Best regards,
Jack Fitzgerald 
HONEY
C 39 TM








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Re: Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing? Confusion reigns...

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 I thought I was following all this but now I'm confused; in regards to the 
Kanzaki, (which I have), if the Yanmar instruction is to have the gear in 
neutral; isn't that allowing the shaft to spin and cause the very problem Rick 
points out? 
(I have left the emails below which include the Yanmar Bulletin and Rick's 
explanation to allow reference); help me out here!  and thanks to all  

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 584.4;

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Brass via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Rick Brass 
Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2016 1:10 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?



The point is that the engine and any gears in the transmission are not turning, 
but the prop shaft will be rotating in the forward direction. So the clutch 
plate that transmits power to the prop shaft will be turning, with very light 
pressure between the drive plate and the clutch surface (which, IIRC, on a 
Kanzaki is a double ended cone?). That leads to glazing of the drive and driven 
plates, rapid clutch wear, and premature transmission rebuild.
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary Russell 
via CnC-List
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:49 AM
To: C List 
Cc: Gary Russell 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Kanzaki Transmission in forward or reverse while sailing?
 

How can a transmission in reverse (gears not turning) cause wear?  I'm 
dumb-founded.

Gary

S/V Kaylarah





~~~_/)~~

 

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Advisory Number: MSA08-003:

DATE February 8, 2008 Dealers and OEMs
TO: All Marine Distributors
SUBJECT: Gear in Neutral While Sailing All MODELS: 

All Sailboat Engines

We continue to get questions regarding the correct gear position while sailing 
with the engine OFF. This advisory is issued as a reminder; Yanmar requires 
that if sailing with the engine OFF (not running) the transmission shifter must 
be in the neutral position or internal damage to the gear or sail-drive will 
result. This damage will not be covered by Yanmar's Limited Warranty. Please 
instruct customers and dealers who deliver the sailboat to the customer, of the 
correct (Neutral) position for the marine gear while sailing.

If the customer desires that the propeller shaft not spin while sailing, either 
a folding propeller, shaft break, or other suitable device may be used. 
However, Yanmar accepts no responsibility for the selection, installation, or 
operation of such devices. Please also refer to Marine service advisory 
"MSA07-001_Yanmar Sail Drive Propeller Selection" for additional information.

If you have any questions regarding this advisory please contact a Customer 
Support representative."


 






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Re: Stus-List Proper perfidious Pronunciation of perjurious terminology

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 I love the things one can learn from this list!

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Frederick G Street 
Sent: Wed, Jun 8, 2016 11:26 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Right of way (ROW) discussion


>From Urban Dictionary:



dufus
dummy, fool, idiot
OR



doofus 
Someone who hasn't got a clue! 
They live in blissful ignorance of the world, fashion, personal hygiene and 
social skills. 







Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI







On Jun 8, 2016, at 10:20 AM, Rick Brass via CnC-List  
wrote:



BTW, exactly how do you spell the word/term pronounced “doo-fuss”?



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Re: Stus-List Installing linear autohelm on LF38

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Don't know if its the same, I installed one on my 37...I do have a couple of 
pics, let me know and I'll send offline...thanks

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush  
185 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jason & Amanda Ward via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Jason & Amanda Ward 
Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 9:33 pm
Subject: Stus-List Installing linear autohelm on LF38



 
Good Day Everyone.  Now that the sailing season is upon us life is good again.  
Life would be even better if I was able to use my autohelm.  I have purchased 
an Raymarine EV200 linear drive unit and am trying to figure out how to install 
it below deck.  As all C owners know there is very little room at the best of 
times and it appears that when they made the LF38, autohelm was never even a 
consideration.
 
I was wondering if there are any other LF owners out there that have 
successfully installed a linear below deck drive that would be willing to pass 
on their installation process.  Photos would also be appreciated.
 
Life is good on a boat, even when you are fixing her.
 
Good sailing and hope to talk soon.
 
Jason
Starship LF38
Lake Winnipeg, Manitoba
 





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Re: Stus-List solar power setup...again.

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Thanks to David  for bringing this topic up...and to Bill Bina for the 
expertise; I have been thinking about doing this myself but Bill's 
recommendations I have just ordered the 50 watt panel and the Genasun 
controller he recommended! 

 


Richard
1985 37 CB Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: David via CnC-List 
To: CNC CNC 
Cc: David 
Sent: Tue, May 24, 2016 10:28 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup...again.



Geez Bill...what the heck took you so long...

Perfect.  Thanks Bill, you saved a from much Googling!

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)




To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 10:24:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup...again.
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: billbinal...@gmail.com

  http://www.ebay.com/itm/161669212758
The 50 watt one is 21x27  inches and quite thin.
Bill Bina






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Stus-List C 40 in ectronic Latitude

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 For you left Coasters... the new issue of Lectronic Latitude notes that there 
is a Melody Kanschat skippering a Marina del Rey-based C 40 Harmony; anyone 
know the Captain or the boat? I would be neat to get an update or personal 
account of the voyage and events! 

Link is: www.latitude38.com/lectronic/LectronicLat.lasso (or see below) 

Thanks

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush 
C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile, 596;

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 















 Ahoy Sailor,
A new edition of'Lectronic Latitude has been posted at 
www.latitude38.com/lectronic/LectronicLat.lasso.

Cheers!




May 23
2016
  
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Hartjoy Makes Landfall on Day204
Ad: Westwind Boat Detailing
The Clipper Race's West Coast Leg

  






  


 







 



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Re: Stus-List 2016 River City C Owners Regatta

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Hi all, I just entered this regatta; There no way I can sail in it but I 
wanted to support the event...Who know, I may win the the trophy for the 
"registration from most distant" entry...?" or maybe just a hat 

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Stu via CnC-List 
To: C Email List 
Cc: Stu 
Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2016 8:04 am
Subject: Stus-List 2016 River City C Owners Regatta






2016 River City C Owners Regatta Announcement, Youngstown NY: 
 
The rumors are true, the First (and hopefully annual!) International River City 
C Owners' Regatta will be held in Youngstown on August 12-14, 2016. 
 
Racing will be on Lake Ontario off Youngstown, so winds shouldn't be quite as 
fickle as the Humber Bay breezes many of us had been accustomed to in past 
years, when this great tradition was held annually over in Toronto. 
 
The format will include racing Saturday and Sunday, with awards thereafter. At 
the Clubhouse, we will have drink specials all weekend, with live band and 
party Saturday evening, open to all Club members. 
 
A Continental breakfast will be offered on Saturday & Sunday mornings to get 
the sailors started. 
 
Come for a fun weekend of racing & partying and help us celebrate the 
resurrection of this once and future great regatta! 
 
Andrews H. Hooker

Note: Advance registration for racing requested, registration link on
http://www.yachtscoring.com/emenu.cfm?eID=1684
http://www.yyc.org/sailing/river-city-cc-owners-regatta/

 
 



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Re: Stus-List Autopilot purchase and solar panel install

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

I can't for Fred, but I can speak for myselfI researched autopilot units 
until I was blue in the face and initially decided to go with Fed because he 
was on this listhowever, once I received all the parts and began assembly, 
I came to rely upon Fred's advice an helpful suggestions to the point where I 
don't think I could have done it without him...he took the time to listen to my 
questions (posed in a not-so-clear fashion I'm sure)...and offered suggestions; 
he was insightful about my particular boat because he has one (I have a 37, 
Fred has a 38)...and he was able to discern when there was a real problem from 
when I just wasn't understanding the written directions; so, if price is 
the only object, then shop on...but if you want the unit to work, call Fred 
 
 

 


Richard
1985 C 37; CB Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Mark Bodnar via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Mark Bodnar 
Sent: Wed, Apr 20, 2016 7:18 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot purchase and solar panel install



I'll checked Hodges Marine just now - they are a little more than Defender. 
As for Fred - he can jump in if I'm wrong but I've seen a few of his messages 
where he said he couldn't beat the sales prices on similar items. 
Mark

--

 Mark Bodnar
CS30 - Prosecco






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Re: Stus-List 35-1 refrigeration installed completed

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis, ditto for me on the photos...and thank you!

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: David Lenehan via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: David Lenehan 
Sent: Tue, Apr 19, 2016 9:43 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List 35-1 refrigeration installed completed



I'm interested too, Dennis.  Soon to do the same exercise on Sea Mistress.
David
On 19 Apr 2016 23:40, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List"  
wrote:

Dennis — sign me up!


— Fred


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(



On Apr 18, 2016, at 10:19 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  
wrote:




I finished installing refrigeration (Isotherm 3701) on Touche' today.  Cold 
beer!!!


Took a bunch of pictures.  I can send link to any interested listers.


Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Lake Michigan Rendezvous

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Jon, if the rendezvous looks like its going to happen, please keep us up to 
speed, like Ron over in Missouri,  I'm too  for to come by boat , but would be 
willing to drive to the eventwe went to the Mystic Seaport rendezvous in 
2014 and enjoyed it very much (but it sure was a long drive)!  Thanks  
 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB, Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Jon Tasker via CnC-List 
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Sent: Thu, Apr 7, 2016 9:00 pm
Subject: Stus-List Lake Michigan Randevous

As member of Muskegon Yacht Club, I would be happy to make any and all 
arrangements for a randevous at MYC if there is sufficient interest. Just step 
up and let me know what the level of interest is!
Jon Tasker
Ghost Rider 
C 37 1985
MYC

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Re: Stus-List Afloat again

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 Great looking boat! What is the color? Thanks

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio river, mile 596; 



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Date: 4/1/2016  9:04 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
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Subject: Stus-List Afloat again 



La Neige is afloat once again.
Thanks for the help with my projects.
https://imgur.com/EqfHnnW


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Re: Stus-List Subject: Re: Hull color inquiry: Mike Hoyt Photos

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Mike, what an awesome set of photos! I like every one of them! Thank you for 
sharing these...I'm ready to go sailing today!

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush 
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-Original Message-
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Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2016 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Subject: Re: Hull color inquiry



… and the argument for Dark hulls???
 
http://baddeckphotos.com/regatta2015-yachts/#/view/ID256888
 
 



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Re: Stus-List Subject: Re: Hull color inquiry

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis, I recall that you had your boat, er, yacht, repainted a couple of 
years ago, where did have the work done and we're/are you happy with their 
work? Thanks

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596


Richard N. Bush
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Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2016 12:04 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Subject: Re: Hull color inquiry



My only substantive comment on paint is to consider Awlcraft vs Awlgrip.  
Particularly true if you're concerned about scratches.  Awlcraft is easier to 
repair and blend.


Touche' is Sunfast Red Awlcraft over 3 coats of high build primer.  The 
Awlcraft looks great!



Dennis C.









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Re: Stus-List Hull color inquiry

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dave's post reminded me...I am going to be in a situation where most or all of 
my hull may need repainting; (blemishes on hull from dock piling); so I began 
looking at other boats for ideas; I have always been enamored with the dark 
hulls, especially the Flag Blue ones like Dave Risch's boat; however, I have 
been warned by the local "experts" that they are difficult to maintain and show 
scratches way more than the lighter colors; also , that they are hotter in the 
summer...; so my question to those of you with darker hulls...how much of the 
above is true? Would you go back with a darker color if you had the chance?  
Any other factors I am missing? Many thanks as always 

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Sent: Mon, Mar 28, 2016 9:48 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Auto pilot installation



Same here.   Never had a need to change.

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)











  

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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Key source; Epilogue-an inelegant solution

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 hi all I have found an unplanned solutionI was bemoaning my fate to the 
local boat yard operator who said, "we'll we have a box in the back here with 
all kinds of keys people have left over the years why don't you look through 
it?"   There were literally hundreds of keys, and while I didn't find a perfect 
match, I found several that were close enough to fit the Yanmar key slot and 
turn on the power...;   yahoo...back in business! 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 













  





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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Key source

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Thanks for all the creative input on the keys...and I thought I was the only 
one who lost a key! Thanks! 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB, Ohio River Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush
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Re: Stus-List Yanmar Key source

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 I find myself in need of a replacement key for my engine...a Yanmar, I know 
(or at least I think) they are interchangeable, like golf cart keys...anyone 
know of an inexpensive source?

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Re: Stus-List Running lines aft to cockpit on C 34

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Go to CNC Photo album; then click on resources, then click brochures, then 
click on the original brochures for the 34, there are usually several to look 
at...

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Re: Stus-List Stus-CNG tank refills

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Anyone on the list who has a CNG system for the stove?  My boat came from 
Massachusetts and it uses CNG for the stove; I am in Kentucky on the Ohio River;
the gauge shows about 1100 (pounds?); the tank is about 2 1/2 ft long, maybe 8 
inches in diameter? (guessing on these)
 My questions are: is there any way to know what this represent in usable fuel 
left in the tank?  (or alternatively, how much fuel comes in a full tank?)

there are a couple of CNG stations for vehicles around here but no one has 
heard of refilling a tank; any ideas? What do you guys up East do?  I would be 
willing to ship the tank via UPS if that's allowable... 

 
Many thanks (and note I remembered to change the subject line!)


Richard
1985 C 35, Ohio River Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Re: Stus-List Welding Aluminum

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Looks good to me I have had two aluminum related failures; one was a hatch 
hinge and the other was the boom goose neck; both required fabrication and 
welding; so I ordered one of these kits. Thanks for the head up! 

 


Richard
1985 C 37  CB; Ohio River, Mile 596


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
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Cc: Stu 
Sent: Fri, Mar 4, 2016 1:23 pm
Subject: Stus-List Welding Aluminum




Watched a demonstration yesterday at a local flea market where they welded 
aluminum using a handheld propane torch.
 
Looked pretty easy and the results were a very strong bond.
 
Kits are available at:
http://www.duluthtrading.com/store/product/alumi-pro-welding-kit-28407.aspx?src=T13WFSHP1==sqEuVMjNs_dc=103058127121===CjwKEAiAgeW2BRDDtKaTne77ghgSJACq2U4b9hrqKeRRIQzh6BItV0y5b8Psf_LbsdRAz6dAa6GdThoCdz3w_wcB
 
No affiliation with Duluth.
 
Stu


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Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dave; any chance of see photos of your rig set up on the boat? Thanks

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; 
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

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Sent: Thu, Mar 3, 2016 1:06 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup Cont...


I got a Blue Sea socket and plug and wired the plug to the panel and mounted 
the socket near my engine panel and ran that to a Sunsaver Duo controller in 
the lazarette and from there up to the battery compartment.  I just plug in the 
panel before I leave the boat and unplug when I come back and store the panel 
below deck while sailing.  It sits on the companionway hatch cover while I am 
gone. I got a 50W panel sized to fit on the hatch and it is heavy enough with 
the aluminum frame that it does not blow away.  Dave
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187549

 
http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C328%7C2289944%7C2289945=1187536



Aries
1990 C 34+
New London, CT








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Re: Stus-List solar power setup

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Steven, thanks, that's such a great website...; I simply don't have enough room 
to put the panel on my dodger, (my preferred location), so I will likely do 
something like shown on the website; thanks again
 

 


Richard

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Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2016 11:03 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List solar power setup


That morningstar controller really is inexpensive. Nice find.


Richard, maybe this will be helpful to you:
http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/solar_panel



Steve
Suhana, C 32
Toronto





 
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Re: Stus-List solar power setup

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Joe, thank you for the solar equipment listings; I would like to duplicate 
your setup on my boat; Where and how have you installed the solar panel? Do you 
leave it up all the time?  (as opposed to weekends only, etc) DO you have to 
orient the panel toward the sun or do you just leave it?  Any available photos 
would be great, Many thanks
 
Richard1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
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Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2016 9:50 am
Subject: Stus-List solar power setup

Someone asked me about my solar panel setup.I have one of these – a 50 watt 
panel:http://www.amazon.com/Renogy-Watts-Volts-Monocrystalline-Solar/dp/B00DVPPFDS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1456843564=8-1=renogy+50+wattI
 have this controller 
-http://www.amazon.com/SunGuard-Charge-Controller-Regulator-Morningstar/dp/B000O3O0W2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1456843683=8-3=morningstar+solarI
 have the panel on a long cord and plug it in to a trolling motor plug when 
using it. It does a good job with the batteries when I am on my 
mooring.JoeCoquina C 35 MK 
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Re: Stus-List solar power setup

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Joe, thank you for the solar equipment listings; I would like to duplicate 
your setup on my boat; Where and how have you installed the solar panel? Do you 
leave it up all the time?  (as opposed to weekends only, etc) DO you have to 
orient the panel toward the sun or do you just leave it?  Any available photos 
would be great, Many thanks

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2016 9:50 am
Subject: Stus-List solar power setup



Someone asked me about my solar panel setup.
I have one of these – a 50 watt 
panel:http://www.amazon.com/Renogy-Watts-Volts-Monocrystalline-Solar/dp/B00DVPPFDS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1456843564=8-1=renogy+50+watt
I have this controller 
-http://www.amazon.com/SunGuard-Charge-Controller-Regulator-Morningstar/dp/B000O3O0W2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8=1456843683=8-3=morningstar+solar
I have the panel on a long cord and plug it in to a trolling motor plug when 
using it. It does a good job with the batteries when I am on my mooring.
Joe
Coquina C 35 MK I



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Re: Stus-List Wooden Boat Article by Rob Mazza

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 All, the March/April issue of Wooden Boat has a really nice article by Rob 
Mazza about "Pipe Dream"; designed by George Cuthberson; Rob's description of 
how the design came into being is fascinating and very helpful in understanding 
how our boats came to be distinctive as "C"; Rob states that this boat was 
designed in 1958, and it was/is intended as a wooden cruising boat, however, 
when I saw the photograph I was stunned... while the cabin and deck are not the 
typical C, the hull clearly sets the tone  for  the hull shape for all of our 
boats!   Rob, you did a great job on this article, and should do a follow up on 
what happened, design wise, between Pipe Dream and the C production 
designs...maybe a whole book? Fellow listers, get your hands on this article, 
it is required reading for any C historian! 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Re: Stus-List Soft shackle

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis; could you please explain for me how a soft shackle doesn't get hung up 
whereas a knot  or other arrangement does? I have looked at these (but have not 
used one), and have read all the articles about them in the mags... and I am 
having conceptual  difficulty with the fact that the soft shackles have knots 
on them and could hang up just as much as a well tied jib sheet...or, what am I 
missing? many thanks! 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Sent: Wed, Feb 17, 2016 11:36 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Soft shackle



I have the APSltd brand on Touché'.  Excellent upgrade. Headsail virtually zips 
through the fore triangle now. Before, the bowlines hung up on the forward 
lower shrouds.


I bought new VPC sheets with eyes on each end along with the soft shackles. Be

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Re: Stus-List ; A Unit of Time book

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Sometime last fall, someone on this list mentioned a couple of books for 
reading, one was Whynott's "A Unit of Water, A Unit of Time", which I purchased 
and have just finished.  I failed to note the name of the person who suggested 
this book, but I wish to say thank you; what a great work!I knew nothing of 
the Maine boat building world or of Joel White, but this book immerses one into 
the middle of the boat yards and the wood shavings and the boat launchings...I 
thoroughly enjoyed this book.   I was astounded when I read that EB White, who 
had written the "Elements of Style", a book I have used for 38 years in my 
office, was the same person who had written of boats and whose son this book 
was about...;

This is another, perhaps hidden joy of this list...in addition to boat repair 
tips and product sourcing...one can be guided through the nautical literary 
scene...so thank you again to the person who made the recommendation.

NB; I am now going to  begin "Solo Around the Horn" by Hartjoy...  
 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush  
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Re: Stus-List Diesel Heaters and installation

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Dwight; like yours, my boat came with a Dickerson Newport model solid fuel 
heater..although we don't get too many really cold night during the summer, and 
the boat is winterized for winter, I still haven't had the nerve to fire it up 
yet...but it looks very nice on the bulkhead!   Any suggestions about getting 
over the fear of lighting a fire in the middle of the cabin?And, if that 
works, there's the matter of the CNG stove
 

Richard
1985 C 37; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
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Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2016 7:51 am
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I wonder if anyone is installing/using solid fuel cabin heaters
nowadays?  Alianna came to me with a Cole stove mounted on the Port
cabin bulkhead right beside the mast...charcoal briquettes throw off a
good heat and it's sort of like having a little fireplace inside the
boat, some ambiance in addition to nice heat, but I must admit I have
only use it a few times when living aboard on cool damp nights.
Dwight Veinot
C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
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Re: Stus-List Anyone score any C shirts from the Craigslist guy?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Jack; I don't know that...I heard about him on this list...

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Mile 596


Richard N. Bush 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone score any C shirts from the Craigslist guy?


Richard,


How do find this guy's link on Craig's list?



 
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Re: Stus-List Anyone score any C shirts from the Craigslist guy?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Jack; I don't know that...I heard about him on this list...
 
Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Mile 596

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Anyone score any C shirts from the Craigslist guy?

Richard,
How do find this guy's link on Craig's list?
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Re: Stus-List Anyone score any C shirts from the Craigslist guy?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Joe, I bought 5 polo shirts...haven't opened them up yet...I guess I'd 
better...so they can air out!

 The guy was very nice to work with and sent the shirts as promised...he even 
emailed photos so I could pick out the colors I wanted.



Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
To: 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' 
Cc: Della Barba, Joe 
Sent: Mon, Feb 8, 2016 2:25 pm
Subject: Stus-List Anyone score any C shirts from the Craigslist guy?



I got 2 jackets, a fleece, a sweater, a long sleeve shirt, and some polo shirts 
for me and the family. Really nice stuff once you wash it, they all had an odd 
smell from sitting around.
Joe
Coquina


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Re: Stus-List ab inflatables

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 Rick, would it be possible to see a photo of your davit arrangement?   Thanks

 


Richard
1985 C 37 Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Rohwer via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Rick Rohwer 
Sent: Thu, Feb 4, 2016 2:07 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List ab inflatables


We  have been happy with our 9ft AB-hypalon tender thus far.  i felt the 
aluminum hull would be the least likely to be damaged in beach landing and 
wouldn’t show the scratching from rocks and debris while tied to the beach. 
Nearly any shop or amateur welder can fix aluminum, some prettier than others.  
i would say the floor stays very cool in the water.  Ours is naked aluminum, 
and will stay that way.  We power it with a 5 hp merc 2-stroke.  Planes with 
one aboard, but not 2.  it is a long shaft though so might do better with a 
short shaft engine. 
We carry it on davits.  


Cheers
Rick
Paikea 37+
Poulsbo, WA



 
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Re: Stus-List Looking for Hatch Hinge for A C 24 '77 model

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

I had a hinge break on my forward Hatch and found a guy at an awning shop who 
welded it (aluminum) back together for me...
 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596; 

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Alex Wolfe via CnC-List 
To: Edd Schillay 
Cc: Alex Wolfe ; cnc-list 
Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2016 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for Hatch Hinge for A C 24 '77 model



Hi Edd,
Thanks for the response. I have enjoyed your many good posts. I started with 
hatchmasters but then got deeply into a diy job. It is just one damn hinge that 
is standing in my way. Maybe someone else has an idea that does not involve 
sending in the hatch, waiting months, and paying more than a new hatch? Let's 
see. But thanks.


Alex

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2016, at 2:27 PM, Edd Schillay  wrote:



Alex,


Suggest you contact Hatchmasters in Norwalk, CT (http://www.hatchmasters.com) 
They’ve done some amazing things with lenses and hardware. You’ll probably have 
to ship your hatch to them. 




All the best,


Edd




Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

















On Jan 19, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Alex Wolfe via CnC-List  
wrote:



Hi amigos,


Greeting from sunny Florida.  I won't say any more about it, I promise.  


I am repairing my leaky hatch despite recommendations to replace it with a new 
unit.  One of the problems is that one of the hinges is broken off at the tip, 
missing a portion up to the first of two screw holes.  Does anyone know where I 
can find one of these babies? I was going to have it fabricated but the guy 
here in Miami wants 250 for it.  It is a rather complex design.


The hatch is no longer made, as you know.


Replacing it with an entirely new unit, besides being a design faux pas, has 
let me to the problem of the cut out size not being quite right (mine is a 1/4" 
smaller in most cases) and the natch frames not being flush to the deck.  The 
ones I have found have a lip, which the original does not have.


Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks.



Alex Wolfe
Shaka, C 24
Coconut Grove Sailing Club

 

Alex Wolfe

(917) 863-9918

www.alexwolfe.tv



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Re: Stus-List Wheel replacement C mk3

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 Chuck; my path down the "wheel envy road ended with the purchase of a 40 " 
Lewmar folding wheel; I have had it on three different boats and I love it; I 
will never go back to a conventional wheel...; I had to take it to a local 
machine shop to get it to fit the steering hub; (the first boat was a C 29, 
which had the Cinkel helm, and the others had Edson..); there were able to make 
perfect fit...in fact, they had never been asked to work on something like this 
and became as enthusiastic about it as I was!  good luck!

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Chuck Saur via CnC-List 
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Cc: Chuck Saur 
Sent: Mon, Jan 4, 2016 3:36 pm
Subject: Stus-List Wheel replacement C mk3



Hello listers after a year's sabbatical from this list.  My 35-3 has an Edson 
36" six-spoke flat wheel with 1" straight hub. (maybe all are same)


Here's a confession: I have suffered from wheel envy, and recently purchased an 
old 44" Yacht Specialties wheel on ebay.   It has similar, but not quite, same 
hub and keyway dimensions. The hole in the hub of the YS is a tiny fraction 
smaller than Edson shaft. It will part-way fit, but the diameter of the hub 
hole needs a shave.  


Aside from just looking cool-er, (to me) I removed my 'camel hump' and sit to 
the side of the helm and this refit will make steering really nice.  


Anyone out there who might have switched wheels with any experience and/or 
advice on who, where or how to get this a proper fit?  (I have an idea and am 
searching for machine shops but wonder if there are some who have done this) 


Also...I might have a 36" Edson for sale if this works...


Chuck
Morning Sky C 35-3
Hessel, MI 


 




  



Chuck Saur


(517)-490-5926




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Stus-List Fwd: Clever storage modifications?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Andy; great ideadid you put some sort of a box or restrainer in the liner 
area to hold to tools?   They're in a box, I assume?  Any photos?  Thanks


Richard
1985 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;
Richard N. Bush 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255



-Original Message-
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Cc: Andrew Burton 
Sent: Sat, Jan 2, 2016 10:54 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Clever storage modifications?



The section of sole under my nav table, where I put my feet, was just screwed 
down to the interior liner. I pulled it up and cut a hole in the liner, 
accessing an area big enough for tool storage so I can use the top drawer for 
something else. It's far enough aft and high enough that any bilge water 
doesn't find its way up there. I hinged the teak and holly to be a lid.


Andy
C 40
Peregrine

Andrew Burton
61 W Narragansett
Newport, RI 
USA02840


http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260



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Re: Stus-List Anchor locker hinges; a historical perspective

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

In following this thread, and for the new owners out thereI recommend 
taking a look at the C photo album specs; for many of the models, it seems 
that the early designs used the external "strap" hinges which the first poster 
asked about; then somewhere in the late 1970s or early 1980s, C quit using 
external hinges and began using the piano hinges, thus accounting for the 
differences in the specs...this is easy to spot if you go to the old 
advertisements for any model,  (on the photo album)...there one can review the 
photos and see whether the boat has strap hinges, or if no strap hinges are 
showing, then presumably piano hinges;  

In general, there is a wealth of knowledge to be gained from reviewing the old 
ads; one can see the same ideas used in multiple designs, but tweaked or 
adapted...its also your roadmap to why your boat sails as well as it does...the 
emphasis is on performance, and then creature comforts..
I have often been amazed that the layout and interior designs for most all of 
the models are traceable back to the first boats in the late 60s, early 70s...



...and a Merry and wonderful Christmas to all on the list!

Richard
1985 C 37; CB  Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Jake Brodersen via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Jake Brodersen 
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2015 7:23 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Anchor locker lid attachment



Paul,
 
My 86 model has piano hinges everywhere on deck.  Three cockpit lockers, the 
lazarette, and the anchor locker are all stainless piano hinges.  Mine have 
loosened up over time and I have had to repair and tighten each of them.  
Adding some epoxy filler really helps the small screws get a bite.
 
Jake
 
Jake Brodersen
C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress”
Hampton VA
 
 


 
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Re: Stus-List Lines led forward

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 Dave; my 37 has four cabin top winches and they appear to be original; the 
spec drawings show two winches and two more as optional equipment; then, of 
course, there are places for up to four winches on the raised deck areas near 
the mast, so I'm guessing that the original purchasers would have ordered what 
arrangement they wanted;  




Richard
C 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596


Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

-Original Message-
From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List 
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Cc: Dave Godwin 
Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2015 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Lines led forward


Interesting thread. Put me in the move lines forward camp.


I’m generating schematics of new line and hardware layouts right now. And one 
thing that I have been mulling over for quite some time is moving most, but not 
all, of the halyards back to the mast. Or mast area as it may be. And one the 
strategies is to go back to the original layout where the halyards came off the 
base of the mast and went to dedicated winches mounted on the cabin top.


Right now I have two jib halyards, the main halyard, the spinnaker halyard, 
mainsheet, 1st and 2nd reefing lines and port and starboard traveler controls. 
And the there are miscellaneous lines forward that haven’t been accounted for 
under the old layout; cunningham, vang adjustment, and a nifty light-duty 
preventer line that leads from mid-boom through the boom and down to the mast 
base. Oh, and pole downhaul and lift.


There is just too much line cluttering up the coach top and the sides of cabin 
under the dodger.


I’ve been scouring the internets and found photos of J/40’s and J/44’s where 
the lines splay out to winches and line collection bags. I’m liking that. And 
the original deck layout for the 37’s clearly shows 4 winches. From the holes 
that I have been filling the former layout included one winch on the port side.






Best
Dave Godwin



1982 C 37 - Ronin
Reedville - Chesapeake Bay
Ronin’s Overdue Refit






 
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Re: Stus-List : sailing in the South

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 OK, so when is the Gulfport Pensacola race?

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB  Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
  






 
 
  
 From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
 To: CnClist  
Cc: Dennis C. 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 12:00 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List : off topic Skiing - Now sailing in the South
  
 






First, thanks, Mike.


To Ron and all listers, 


Listers are always welcome to sail on Touche' anytime they are in the South 
Louisiana area. That is, when I'm not out West on the slopes.   You can still 
sail even with bad knees.  


75 and light rain here today.  Next two days are sunny and high 60's.  Moderate 
breeze from the NNW.  That means windward or weather shore and flat water 
sailing in Mandeville.  Might just have to go out on the lake.  :)


Dennis C.

Touche' 35-1 #83

Mandeville, LA




















 
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Re: Stus-List Refrigeration on C 35 mk III; installation photo request

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Doug, I would like to see your installation photos... thanks
 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Doug Allardyce via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Doug Allardyce 
Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 11:47 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Refrigeration on C 35 mk III



Sam,
I purchased a 1985 35-III about three years ago, and one of the initial 
upgrades was refrigeration. I wanted cold beer for my crew and I whenever we 
were out sailing or at the dock talking over the days race. I installed a 
Domestic CU-86 CoolMatic 80 Series Condensing Unit - Air Cooled, with a 
Domestic VD-09 CoolMatic 80 Series Evaporating Unit. I liked the CU-86 unit 
because it is smaller than most compressor units. It is designed so that it can 
be mounted on a bulkhead (no need to fabricate a shelf). In the case of the 35, 
it hangs on the bulkhead behind the ice box. Easy install. Nice and neat, out 
of the way. It generates almost no heat, and I never hear it running. It seems 
to be very efficient because I can sail all day 5-6 hrs running a complete set 
of instruments, a sail comp unit, 2 GPS's, an inverter powered laptop, with the 
refrigeration on two group 31 batteries with minimal battery loss. I'm in 
Michigan and the summers are generally in the 80's. I have not added any 
insulation to the box, and beer is always cold.
 
The unit was purchased online from Defender Marine. The CU-86 Condensing Unit 
was $755.00, and the VD-09 Evaporating Unit was $260.00. If your interested I 
can send you pictures of the installation.
 
I don't have any experience with the unit you referenced. I'm not sure how to 
install that unit on a 35 III. With the unit I described, I can keep a bag of 
ice cubs in the evaporator for cool drinks, which also makes the unit more 
efficient. I would go with a DC system if it were me. Its always running, 
always cold whether you are at the dock on shore power or out on the water.
 
 
Doug Allardyce
"BULLET"
C 35 MK III
 
_/)~~~_/) ~~~

 

 
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Re: Stus-List small start battery for yanmar 3hmf

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

This was recommended for a 2gmf yanmar:















"Shorai makes a nice, lightweight, Lithium-Iron motorcycle battery: 
http://shoraipower.com/lfx18a1-bs12-p86
It starts my Harley easily and weighs about 2 pounds.  It?s also smaller than 
most motorcycle batteries.  That's a lot of power in a small package."

My question: would this same battery work for a 3HMF, and would the charger 
recommendation be the same?  I like this idea a lot...!
 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
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To: cnc-list 
Cc: syerdave 
Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2015 6:29 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Best location for and small form factor start battery 
for yanmar 2gmf




Stupid me, I had my head stuck in the automotive world...
thanks for the suggestions.   Cool little lithium batteries, and yes, would be 
very easy to fit.  Need to check charge profile compatibility with with my 
shore power charger, but for a dedicated start battery that's not essential.  
Josh - yes, have done my homework on the rest and purchased a blue sea acr/vsr 
as well as their isolating/combining selector switch in panel, (nice, it has 
24/7 breakers incorporated) plus a victron battery condition monitor.  I have 
the 55a alternator so should be ok, and House bank is two form 31 deep cycles.  
Will revise the grounding to a proper buss as part of this.  Big improvements 
in functionality!
dave.






Message: 6
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:19:28 -0600
From: Josh Muckley 
To: "C List" 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Best location for and small form factor start
   battery for yanmar 2gmf
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I knew I'd seen some cool options.  Those looked pretty awesome!  Small
enough to fit anywhere and powerful enough to start.

Josh
On Nov 30, 2015 5:49 PM, "Jake Brodersen via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:


Josh,







Shorai makes a nice, lightweight, Lithium-Iron motorcycle battery.

http://shoraipower.com/lfx18a1-bs12-p86



It starts my Harley easily and weighs about 2 pounds.  It?s also smaller

than most motorcycle batteries.  That?s a lot of power in a small package.







Jake







*Jake Brodersen*



*C 35 Mk-III ?Midnight Mistress?*



*Hampton VA*















*From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh

Muckley via CnC-List

*Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2015 19:50

*To:* C List 

*Cc:* Josh Muckley 

*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Best location for and small form factor start

battery for yanmar 2gmf







As discussed on this list before, an ACR or Xantrex Echo-charge is what

you should use to keep the start and house banks separate but allow the

alternator to charge both.  A combine switch allows for emergency starting

with the house batteries.  A very small lead acid battery is enough to turn

the engine.  If you don't have enough room for a U-1 tractor battery then

you might find a motorcycle battery that will fit your needs.  Even two 6v

motorcycle batteries might solve your space problem.  There are some great

lithium options in motorcycle batteries too.



Josh Muckley

S/V Sea Hawk

1989 C 37+



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Re: Stus-List Wishing Every C a Happy Thanksgiving

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Ditto; I actually had my the "happy" part of thanksgiving today...sunny with 
winds 7-10, gusts to 17; and 
I had the afternoon off! I went sailing by myself and just had a ball!We 
winterize everything on Sunday, so a fitting end to the season...
 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Sent: Wed, Nov 25, 2015 7:42 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Wishing Every C a Happy Thanksgiving



Here here!


Nice job edd!


Happy thanks giving everyone!   And thanks for all the great advice!


Danny







Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device

 Original message 
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
Date: 11/25/2015  4:20 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: C List  
Cc: Edd Schillay  
Subject: Stus-List Wishing Every C a Happy Thanksgiving 


Listers,


Just wanted to take a moment to wish you and your families a happy Thanksgiving 
(belated for those of you in Canada.) Just remember -- as you reconsider that 
extra helping of turkey, stuffing and potatoes -- all those times you wished 
you had some extra weight on the rail. 


Along with my thanks for my loving wife and family, I thank all of you for your 
guidance and camaraderie in what has become the most valuable aspect of owning 
a C 




All the best,


Edd




Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log



















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Re: Stus-List Pensacola - Havana Race

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Steve; thank you for the report; it was fun to follow your progress; do you 
have a photo site? 
 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584

Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 9:00 pm
Subject: Stus-List Pensacola - Havana Race




All, we completed the Pensacola - Havana Race on C 34+ Dejavu last
Thursday November 9th, crossing the finish at 9:36am.   We sailed the entire
race, only running the engine to charge batteries.   We had five total in the
crew and ran a helm schedule of two hours on the wheel with another crew keeping
them company.  The plan was that each person leaving the cockpit would then have
a long break.  One of our crew became seasick so we sailed most of race with 4
primary crew.  Winds were mostly SE and fairly strong at 20 - 25 knts but one 24
hour period with 30+.  We were double reefed most of the race and the boat
behaved well with little weather helm.  Dodging freighters at night in the Gulf
of Mexico is part of the race and we had our share of those.  AIS is really
helpful and better than radar for those situations.  We were the smallest boat
in the race and took 3rd in Division and 3rd overall. 

It was great to arrive
in Cuba and we had many experiences while there.  It is a vibrant land with
friendly and curious people filled with unrealized dreams due to the controls
the Cuban government puts on its citizens.
On Saturday we participated on the
Havana Cup Race along with 20 other boats.  Only one other boat pointed as high
as Dejavu and that was the J130.  This gave us a big advantage against much
bigger boats but on our final tack toward to finish we messed up a maneuver so
we ended up 5th in that race.  We are in Key West waiting for a weather window
to sail up to Tampa and then later back over to Pensacola.

Best to Everyone
on the List



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Re: Stus-List Cuba race

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dennis, thanks for sharing the article; More power to the crew on the 
dismasted boat!...now that's some true sailing spirit!  I would love to hear 
from the "Deja Vu" owner/crew after the race is over, if anyone knows him, 
please ask if he would give us a recap of the racing and Cuba! Thanks 

 


Richard
C 37 CB: Ohio River, Ile 584; 


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 10:03 am
Subject: Stus-List Cuba race


Article on the race.  Note the boat in the picture is "Deja Vu", lister Steve 
Thorne's C 34+.


http://www.pnj.com/story/news/local/pensacola/2015/11/01/four-yachts-retire-pensacola-race/75006338/


Love the attitude of the one boat that broke, came back, got another boat and 
continued on.  



Dennis C.



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Re: Stus-List Edson Pedestal install

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Spencer, I'd like to see your installation, thanks
 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Sent: Sun, Oct 18, 2015 9:58 pm
Subject: Stus-List Placement of control head





DaveI just replaced my pedestal with an Edson Vision seriesthus I have 
two pedestal 'arms' ... one with a Edson single pod (that can be swiveled 180 
degrees to be viewed/controlled  from the helm or cockpit ) that I used with a 
ST60 auto pilot control head, the other had a garmin GPS MAP 478 .
Let me know if you are interested. ... contact me offline.  Does anybody need a 
replacement conventional pedestal...???
Spencer Johnson 
'84 LF 38 "Alegria "





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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives? Mixing?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

OK upon reading  the several responses; if Stanadyne is the manufacturers 
recommendation, and others like Seafoam or Biobor; my question is; are these 
products mutually exclusive? Or can they be mixed together? Should one red over 
the other? Thanks...
 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
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Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 1:27 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?



I get seafoam at Lordco.



Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2015 19:17:57 -0700
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
CC: russ...@telus.net


Seafoam reminds me of the Marvel Mystery Oil claims. I can't find MMO 
atCanadian tire any more, used it in the A4 (oil & gas)regularly.

Cheers,Russ
Sweet35 mk-1

At 06:47 PM 13/10/2015, you wrote:

Check this out:

http://seafoamsales.com/sea-foam-motor-treatment/



Rob Abbott
AZURA
C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2015-10-13 10:23 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote:

I suspect most old car guys arefamiliar with Seafoam. Though I can't recall 
exactly what is in it. I'vealways used it as an additive for gasoline engines - 
boat fuel, mowerfuel, oil mix for power tools and the outboard. I think of it 
as a betteralternative to Stabil.

Can't say as I've ever thought about it as Diesel additive, or added itto 
engine oil. Might be a good thing to check out.

Rick Brass
Washington, NC

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 13, 2015, at 20:43, Chuck S via CnC-Listwrote:


Hi Rick,
A friend who works on cars and has a 32 foot sailboat for 25 years thatlooks 
better than new, suggested I use SeaFoam in both fuel andengine oil.  It's 
inexpensive and seems to make starting mucheasier, so I've been using that for 
the last 8 years.  I use Bio-FloJr when I top off the tank for winter.  Any 
thoughts onSeaFoam?

Chuck
Resolute
1990 C 34R
Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md


From: "Rick Brass via CnC-List"
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Cc: "Rick Brass"
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 8:52:03 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

All diesel is made to the same set of standards. The red stuff just has adye  
in it to indicate that the highway fuel tax has not beenpaid.

 

When your engine was built, diesel fuel had 5000 parts per million ofSulphur 
content. The Sulphur was a significant factor in lubricating theinjection pump, 
injectors, etc.

 

In the mid to late 90s, in anticipation of the Tier 2 emissionsstandards, Low 
Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content wasreduced to 500 PPM, and 
lubricity additives were incorporated in thefuel.

 

In the middle of the last decade, in anticipation of Tier 3 emissionstandards, 
Ultra Low Sulphur diesel became mandatory. Sulphur content oncurrent fuel is 15 
PPM. A new Tier 3 engine is designed to run on ULSfuel, just like a new gas 
engine is designed for ethanol.

 

Yanmar, Cummins, and Perkins (the 3 brands of diesels I used to 
teachtechnicians about) all recommend that you add a lubricity additive toyour 
fuel if your engine was built before Tier 3 and ULS diesel becamethe norm. For 
our size engines that means about 2010 (1 year later inCanada). The service 
bulletins from Yanmar and Cummins (which Iunfortunately lost when the laptop’s 
hard drive went up in smoke) bothspecifically recommend the additive from 
Stanadyne.

 

Even though my Universal M35B is a Tier 3 version, I still add 
Standynelubricity additive (although I do occasional use a product from 
Lucas).It can’t hurt.

 

I also put BioBor JR in the fuel as an algaecide and try to keep my tankfull 
during winter storage. As Josh said, the nasties live in the waterin the tank 
and eat the diesel (don’t get me started on bio-diesel). Analgaecide and 
reducing the chances of condensation in the tank are goodpolicy for avoiding 
fuel filter problems.

 

I’ve used about 2 tanks of fuel this year, so I’m not concerned with theduel 
degrading in storage like you get with ethanol stored in a boat.Diesel can 
generally be stored for about two years without significantdegradation.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard 
N.Bush via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM
To:cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

 

With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a1985 37 
with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual dieselfill up and the 
pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from astreet gas station; 
although the cost was almost a dollar per galloncheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" color rather than the"red" 

Re: Stus-List rebedding hatch

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Where does re-bedding handrails (teak) fit into this discussion? Thanks

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ricci via CnC-List 
To: 'Joel Aronson' ; cnc-list 
Cc: Ron Ricci 
Sent: Thu, Oct 15, 2015 9:53 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List rebedding hatch



Joel,
 
I’ve used butyl tape for a deck hatch, baby stay track and pedestal guard deck 
mount brackets.  It did the job and remains pliable forever.  The hardest part 
of rebidding was to remove the old sealant which cracks with age.  My 
understanding is some 3M products adhere to the gelcoat better than the gelcoat 
adheres to the fiberglass.  I worked a sharpened putty knife between the item 
and the deck so as to cut the sealant.
 
Here’s a great article on using butyl tape: 
http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php?threads/bedding-deck-hardware-with-bed-it-butyl-tape.117172/#post-705340.
  It is available from http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/butyl_tape.
 
Good luck,
Ron
Ron Ricci
S/V Patriot
C 37+
Bristol, RI
ron.ri...@1968.usna.com
 
  
 
From: Joel Aronson [mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 8:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List rebedding hatch
 
All,

 

I'll be replacing the front hatch with a Lewmar hatch.  Which sealant should I 
use?  Sikaflex, Lifecaulk, something else?

 

I need to overdrill, epoxy and redrill the new screw holes, correct?

 

Joel

35/3

Annapolis



-- 
Joel 
301 541 8551


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Re: Stus-List Diesel Fuel Additives?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 

 Many thanks for all of the valuable info on the fuel additives; I have saved 
all of the responses and I am going shopping...Thanks again. 


Richard

Richard N. Bush
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
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Sent: Mon, Oct 12, 2015 1:31 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Diesel Fuel Additives?



No, it’s all low sulfur. Green just tells the cops thatyou paid the road tax.
Surprising , Truck diesel here is 2.69, and at our club (Red BoatDiesel) is 
$2.03.
Put Bio-Bore additive in always. Or it will turn Black!
 
 
Bill Coleman
C 39, Erie

From: CnC-List[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard N. 
Bush viaCnC-List
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2015 12:39 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Richard N. Bush
Subject: Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

 

With apologies for re-raising apreviously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 37 
with the original Yanmar 3HMF27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up and the 
pumps were out of order; soI had to get diesel from a street gas station; 
although the cost was almost adollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" colorrather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to 
put sometype of sulpher additive or something along those lines into this fuel? 
I didmotor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no adverse effects; 
inaddition to this question, what should I use for the upcoming winter 
layup?many thanks 

 


Richard

1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255


 

 

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Re: Stus-List Deisel Fuel Additives?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 With apologies for re-raising a previously discussed topic; my boat is a 1985 
37 with the original Yanmar 3HMF 27 hp; I went for my annual diesel fill up and 
the pumps were out of order; so I had to get diesel from a street gas station; 
although the cost was almost a dollar per gallon cheaper, I noted that it was 
the "green" color rather than the "red" color; so my question is do I need to 
put some type of sulpher additive or something along those lines into this 
fuel? I did motor with it for an extended time on Sunday with no adverse 
effects; in addition to this question, what should I use for the upcoming 
winter layup? many thanks 

 


Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio River Mi. 584;


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

All this chatter about autopilots;  its really nice when they work... I had to 
motor for about 15 miles today, and I found that by setting the autopilot I 
could clean the boat and  store gear while the boat drove itself...(I did keep 
a sharp eye out for staying on course and barges...)


Richard
1985 C 37; Ohio River; Mile 599; 

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Gary Russell via CnC-List 
To: C List 
Cc: Gary Russell 
Sent: Fri, Oct 9, 2015 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations



My C 35 was a quadrant (quarter circle).


Gary
'90 C 37 Plus



~~~_/)~~




On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Russ & Melody via CnC-List 
 wrote:


I've always wondered why these things are called quadrants when they areclearly 
all 'round... :)

Cheers,Russ



At 09:49 AM 09/10/2015, you wrote:

Ron,


The control goes through to under the helm seat and attached to 
thequadrant:https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15162917/ENTERPRISE/quadrant.jpg


All the best,

Edd


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Re: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

I purchased the EV 200 and Octopus Hydraulic drive through Fred; we had some 
issues installing the drive, but none with the ev unit; Fred was very helpful 
with our very beginner level questionsYou wont get any better product 
support 
 

Richard
1985 C 37; Ohio River, Mile 584;
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
To: C List 
Cc: Edd Schillay 
Sent: Thu, Oct 8, 2015 5:56 pm
Subject: Stus-List Autopilot Recommendations


Listers,


My wife is considering buying me an autopilot system for my 50th (YIKES!) 
birthday next year to replace our failing Robertson unit. She saw the video 
from the 2015 Northeast Rendezvous of Nader sitting in his cockpit eating lunch 
while the boat drove itself to Clinton and said “Oh you gotta have that!” 


The Octopus hydraulic drive is already installed and I’m somewhat partial to 
the Raymarine EV-200 system (and Fred Street has pretty good pricing), but 
wanted to see if anyone else has recommendations on units I should look at. 





All the best,


Edd




Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 

Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log




















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Re: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Steve; I have had three different boats trucked for long distances; assuming 
your are dealing with a reputable company, there are a few things you should 
do; first make sure everything that can move in the inside is secured, tied, 
taped or removed from the boat; then take lots of photos for insurance 
purposes; you can't have too many!  Most of the time you will wrap the mast and 
all of the rigging in plastic.   Tie off the wheel so the rudder wont move 
during transport.  Sometimes they will want the electronics removed from the 
binnacle...   I have found that upon completion of the delivery, the truck 
drivers appreciate a tip when they do a good job, (actually all of the time), 
so have a little cash ready; then enjoy the experience; its really something to 
see your boat going down the highway at 60+ mph! 

 


Richard
1985 37 DB; Ohio River, Mile 584;

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

-Original Message-
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Cc: Stevan Plavsa 
Sent: Thu, Oct 1, 2015 9:51 am
Subject: Stus-List Trucking to Georgian Bay


Hi All,


Suhana is moving!
I'm loading her on a truck next Thursday and we're saying goodbye to Lake 
Ontario. It's been nice but we've done the Thousand Islands two years in a row 
and really want to get up to the North Channel. 


I've never trucked a boat before. Anyone have some tips to share? I'm bringing 
her to a marina with a travel lift. They are taking the mast down and hauling. 
The trucking co is doing the loading, including the folded cradle. From there 
they're driving up to Midland to Bay Moorings Marina where their travel lift 
will bring her down and onto the cradle. The trucking co told me to keep my 
cradle pads in the locker so that they can get at them when they are there, but 
aside from that, no other tips. I'm sure there are things I'm not considering! 
Anyone have any recommendations or things to consider when trucking a boat? 
Mast lays down alongside the boat on their trailer, not on deck. I'm thinking 
about removing my stanchions and lifelines just because. 


Anyone here at Bay Moorings Marina in Midland? That's where we'll be landing. 
Would be nice to know if any other listers are around. Would be great to have a 
brain to pick about anchorages and gotchas in the area.


Cheers,
Steve


Suhana, C 32
Toronto




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Re: Stus-List wet core LF 38;

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

to Martin DeYoung; re balsa core; thank you for explaining this issue, I have 
tried to explain this issue to the local boaters in my area for years but I do 
not have the background nor depth of experience to state it so succinctly as 
you have done; in the future I will simply print out a copy of your email and 
give it to them! This (again) proves the value of having this list and the 
discussions undertakenthanks again...

 

Richard
1985 C 37 CB; Ohio river, Mile 584.4;

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
-Original Message-
From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
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Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Sent: Mon, Aug 31, 2015 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List wet core LF 38


  
   
> Those boats were very well built and core wetness can be easily misread and 
> misreported.<
   
 
   
I have looked closely at balsa core that was damp, wet, and rotten (failed).  I 
would not be concerned with a racer/cruiser C with damp core here and there.  
For me, damp means the balsa still looks tan in color and smells like balsa or 
polyester resin.  (It is easy to assess the color and smell of the balsa by 
pulling some hardware mounting bolts in the area of concern.)  Unless heading 
out on a adventurous offshore voyage I would not recommend making repairs 
beyond re-bedding the deck hardware.  Tapping around with a hammer, mildly damp 
core will sound much like dry core unless delamination has occurred. IIRC 
Baltek’s study of wet core failures found 80% of the structure’s strength is 
retained up to 30% water gain.
   
 
   
If the balsa core is wet enough for the tea colored stain to be visible around 
fittings and mounting bolts, especially near high load areas I would 
investigate enough to be confident on how wet the balsa is and the limits or 
the wet area.  If the wet core area is in the immediate area of a fitting, for 
example under a halyard block, I would make a limited repair in that area.  
When tapping with a hammer, wet to very wet core will start to sound slightly 
dull when compared to a known dry area.
   
 
   
If fully failed core is found, extensive repairs may be called for.  On Calypso 
the fully failed core we found stank like a swamp polluted with polyester resin 
which looked black and was often completely broken down by some sort of acidic 
chemical reaction. When tapped with a hammer the fully rotted/failed areas will 
sound hollow and dull.  Often there will be signs or failure like the dark tea 
colored stains, corroded aluminum backing plates, and distorted inner skin.
   
 
   
For those boat owners with good DIY skills repairing limited core issues is 
messy but not difficult.  Over on Sailing Anarchy – Fixit Forum there is a 
great topic underway titled “Ericson 32 mast step repair” that covers, with 
pictures, replacing a failed plywood area under a deck stepped mast.  The 
process discussed would work great for balsa repairs and is similar in concept 
to what I have done repairing failed plywood and balsa around Calypso’s mast 
collar.  I chose to work from below as the inner skin is significantly thinner 
than the outer skin.  As Calypso’s race oriented interior is “stick” built we 
have good access to most of the damaged areas.
   
 
   
Based on a quick look at the listing, if I was in the market for a LF 38 I 
would not be frightened off by a moderate amount of wet core but I would do my 
own inspection and tapping about with a hammer.
   
 
   

Martin DeYoung

Calypso

1971 C 43

Seattle


 
   
   
 
   

 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich 
via CnC-List
 Sent: Monday, August 31, 2015 11:53 AM
 To: cnc-list Cnc-List
 Cc: Knowles Rich
 Subject: Re: Stus-List wet core LF 38

   
   
 
   
I’d want a second opinion on the degree of water intrusion. I suggest most 
1980’s Landfalls and other cored boats have some areas of less than perfect 
lamination and core wetness but soldier on just fine, thank you.
   

 
   
   

 
  
   

 
Rich Knowles


 
Nanaimo, BC
 Boatless ex Landfall 38 owner.

   
  
 


 

 
  
On Aug 31, 2015, at 10:20, Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List 
 wrote:
 
 
 
 
  
   

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1984/C%26C-Landfall-38-2756734/Portsmouth/VA/United-States#.VeSK4YeFN9M
   
   

 
   
   

I have no clue if this is a good deal or $19,000 too much. I am guessing the 
owner got a big surprise at sale time.
   
   

 
   
   

Joe Della Barba
   
   

Coquina
   
   

C 35 MK I
   
  
 

   
   
 
  
 

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Re: Stus-List Universal Engine panel wiring; what about Yanmar?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 I have read this thread with interest, but I have a Yanmar, and realize that 
they are going to be different, however, there are principles which should 
apply to all engines...so, to those more knowledgeable than me, what should I 
be looking for on my 3HMF Yanmar?   (and, thank you to all who have gone to 
such lengths to make sure we who are not so mechanically inclined can 
understand and benefit from this discussion!) 

 


Richard
1985 CC 37, CB, Ohio River, Mile 584.4;

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Universal Engine panel wiring



David;
 
Previous owners, shade tree mechanics, and inexperienced/inexpensive mechanics 
often make repairs or modifications that are ill advised or less than optimal. 
For example, I recently helped one of the boaters on our City Docks diagnose 
why his recently replaced fuel gauge did not seem to work reliably. Turned out 
the guy who replaced the gauge had gotten power from the glow plug button – the 
downstream side of the glow plug button – so the fuel gauge was only powered up 
when the glow plug button was pushed.
 
Universals and Westerbekes are designed to be wired and started in the manner 
described in the owner’s manual. I would restore the wiring to what is shown in 
the wiring diagram, for a couple of reasons. 
 
Regarding the 8V at the starter solenoid terminal: You saw battery voltage 
(about 12.6v) on the hot side of the starter button with the button not pushed, 
0v on the output side of the starter button with the start button not pushed, 
and then 8v at the solenoid terminal when the button was pushed. When you push 
the button you are energizing the coil of the solenoid and creating what is 
almost a dead short across the solenoid. What you were measuring between the 
solenoid terminal and ground is the voltage drop that results from resistance 
in the coil, resistance in the metal of the starter, resistance across the 
bolts holding the starter in place, and resistance in the metal of the block as 
the current travels from the solenoid terminal to the ground wire. 8v is a bit 
lower than I would expect, but I see nothing unusual in such a reading. Your 
starter and solenoid are fine.
 
As Neil pointed out, pressing the glow plug button does a lot of things. 
 
Of course it powers the glow plugs, which are in essence a high resistance 
short in the wiring, and the voltage at the output side of the glow plug button 
will drop into the 11.5v to 12.0 v range. Powering the glow plugs heats the air 
flowing into the combustion chambers, which is needed for a cold start and 
improves starting during hot starts. In indirect injection diesels (where fuel 
is injected into the airflow before the intake valve instead of directly into 
the hot compressed air just before the conclusion of the compression stroke) 
the glow plugs are needed to get good initial combustion. Hot air makes the 
starting easier and faster, reduces the load and cranking time on your starter, 
and ultimately how much current you draw from the battery to start the engine.
 
The glow plug button also powers the electric lift pump that supplies fuel at 4 
or 5 PSI (it might be as high as 7 PSI, but I don’t recall exactly) through the 
engine fuel filter to the inlet of the high pressure injection pump. That lift 
pump coming up to pressure is the rapid clicking sound you hear for the first 
few seconds after you push the glow plug button. After the engine starts, the 
pump is powered off the oil pressure switch as Neil described.  In a hot start 
situation without power to the lift pump, the high pressure pump will supply 
fuel to the injectors for a few engine rotations. But if the engine does not 
start the pump will be starved for fuel and the engine will not start. Fuel 
starvation becomes more likely as your fuel filters get plugged over time.
 
As I said, I’d put the wiring back to what it was supposed to be according to 
the manual and the wiring diagram.
 
 
Rick Brass
Washington, NC
 
 
 

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Since I got my boat, I have been bothered by the fact that the engine will not 
start in the way it is described in the manual unless plugged into shore power. 
 The manual says to hold the glow plug button for about 30 seconds and then 
while continuing to hold that button in, push the start button.  When I do 
that, the starter does not turn over. If I release the glow plug button and 
push the start button the engine starts fine.  My father 

Re: Stus-List filters (now: Sailing adventures and repairs)

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I'd be interested in all of that, including the stories...
 
you may as well ditto that for all of us!  here's my 
email...bushma...@aol.com
 
 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4...



Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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I'd be interested in all of that, including the stories.   
a.burton.sai...@gmail.com 
 
I am having a bow roller made up for Peregrine. To a large extent, thanks to 
advice I've received here, I think I have a pretty good design. I'll post pics 
of the whole windlass installation process sooner or later. 
 
Remind me to tell you about disassembling the galley on a Swan 651 so we could 
access the lift pump in order to bleed the engine as we approached St Martin 
one rough, windy morning at 3 o'clock. 
 
  
 
 
Andy 
 
CC 40 
 
Peregrine 
 
  
  
Andrew Burton  
61 W Narragansett  
  
Newport, RI   
  
USA02840  
  
   
  
  http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/  
+401 965-5260  
 
 
  
On Aug 5, 2015, at 01:21, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List   cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:  
  
 
 
  

 
...write a book about your sailing ...
 
 
 
I might be able to pull off a short story or two but I'm not sure I have the 
chops to write a book worth reading.  I am writing down some of the details and 
boat/crew names when a story comes to mind so I do not forget as time passes.  
I have digitized most of the movies and video made during the Transpacs so when 
the original deteriorate I have back ups.
 
 
 
Most of it seems to involve “incidents and perilous situations.
 
 
 
The stories of smooth sailing and good times with friends seem less interesting 
for the cnc-list forum but better for a rendezvous or hanging out at the yacht 
club.  I do try to tie my story to the topic with a fair allowance to set and 
drift.
 
 
 
I will work on posting some pictures of our work on Calypso.  I may have to set 
up a photo account on a web based service as I have not been able to make the 
cnc web site photo album work for a while.
 
 
 
If you would like the pics of Calypso's bow roller sooner than later send me 
you preferred email address and I will email them over.
 
 
 
Regarding non-skid removal, I have been experimenting with using a wire brush 
on a drill motor to soften up Calypso's painted on non-skid.  We will be using 
Kiwi-Grip over new paint.
 
 
 
Martin
 
Calypso
 
1971 CC 43
 
Seattle
 
 
 
 
 
  
  
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Martin,   
   
   
   
You need to write a book about your sailing career. Most of it seems to involve 
“incidents and perilous situations. Nonetheless, all great stories!  
   
   
   
   
On a more serious note, have you considered posting pictures of the Great Deck 
Repair (Rebuild?) for others to view? Being face-down sanding all the non-skid 
off my decks at the moment I’d be interested in what’s going on with your 
project. I’m also interested in your windlass/chain locker/bow-roller setup as 
I go forward. Don’t think the stock cast aluminum will work.  
   
   
   
   
And that camonon-skid that Dennis linked to sure looks the ticket...
  
   
   
   
   
Cheers,  
   

 
  
   

Dave Godwin
 1982 CC 37 - Ronin
 Reedville - Chesapeake Bay   

Ronin’s Overdue Refit   
   
  
 



 
  
On Aug 4, 2015, at 7:28 PM, Martin DeYoung   via CnC  -List
   cnc-list@cnc-list.com   wrote: 
  
  
   

  Why do you need to keep the engine running offshore while you change the 
  filter?

  You may not be offshore, you may be in a tight spot where you really need it.

 My reference to prepping for a long offshore voyage had more to do with being 
far away from a source of additional filters and other fuel related services.  
The utility of having two filters and a manifold that can switch between them 
without stopping the engine goes more to the Murphy’s Law odds that a single 
filter will block up at the worst possible time.

 

Re: Stus-List Windlass info

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Me too! : also, what did you do below decks for the motor housing?  Thanks!

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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happy to share!




On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:29 AM, David via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:


Andy,

Love to see the pattern for the roller mount.   Might even steal it if you 
look the other way...

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)




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Re: Stus-List Securing seat locker

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Andy, what type/brand etc. of windlass are you going with? also can you tell us 
about the mounting location? Thanks
 

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 At pool Stage finally...


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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I ask this as I am about to mount my windlass switch and breaker in there, next 
to my batteries and charger. The wrong wave could ruin my whole paycheck! 
Obviously, not a huge factor with coastal cruising, but if I head offshore...


Andy

CC 40
Peregrine







 
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Re: Stus-List Windlass info

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Andy, thanks; I could not find any info on a V2; how does it differ from the V1 
and V3?
 

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 At pool Stage finally...



Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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It's a Lewmar V-2 and I am mounting it on deck, just aft of the anchor locker 
hatch, where there is just enough room. I did have to cut away my staysail 
track for two screws. I am mounting it on deck rather than in the locker as I 
want to be able to use it manually should I lose power. I will be running a 
rode of 80' of 5/16 chain and 150' of 9/16 nylon 3-strand. The biggest hassle 
is mounting the roller on the bow. I am buying a stock roller and having a 
stainless plate in the shape of the stemnhead fitting welded to the bottom; 
that will be tapped into the stemhead.


Andy

CC 40

Peregrine



On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List 
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Andy, what type/brand etc. of windlass are you going with? also can you tell us 
about the mounting location? Thanks
 

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4 At pool Stage finally...


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 




 
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Re: Stus-List Windlass info

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 Thanks, I take it that you have the drum version?

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Here you go:

https://www.lewmar.com/products.asp?id=8338lid=25807




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Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please

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Mike, I have a pretty little 1986 33 II for sale that would make an excellent 
racing platform...hint, hint, hintwe can talk about delivering
 

 


Richard
1985 CC 36 CB, Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush 
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Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Thanks Ken
 
For sale but not sold.  As a matter of fact racing on it in 2 hours ….
 
If Koobalibra sells then my racing gets a lot more expensive as we have to use 
my boat! 
 
Mike
Persistence
1987 Frers 33
Halifax, NS
 
 
 
 
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Cc: Hoyt, Mike
Subject: Re: Stus-List Looking for feedback please
 

Mike neglected to mention the 115 he races on out of Halifax, NS is also for 
sale (but it is a long way from Florida).

 

Ken H.


 

On 29 July 2015 at 13:22, Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com wrote:
I will echo what John has asked.  What are you planning to do with the boat?

I have raced weekly on a CC115 for the past 6 years and have sailed quite a 
bit and raced some on and against a 99 as well.  Of the four models I believe 
these are the most commonly raced

The CC 115 sails extremely well to wind but likes to have a good sized crew to 
run it.  We like to have 11 bodies on board when we race to give adequate 
weight on rail and to get all the jobs done.  Both the 115 and 99 have 
oversized spinnaker and pole but the 115 requires dip pole gybes since it has a 
mast end and a guy end on the pole.  This requires a mast person as well as a 
foredeck person for gybes.  The 99 can do end for end or dip pole so requires 
one less body.  Last year in a race week 7 was an adequate crew size on a 99.

The rig on the 115 is quite large.  The main sheet is led to a winch on either 
coaming and is more work to run than that on the 99 which is I believe 6 or 8 
to one with ratcheting cam cleats.  The traveler on the 99 seems to work better 
than that on the 115 as well.  Much else is the same on the two models

The interiors of both the 99 and 115 are quite nice but the aft cabin in the 99 
is a bit more cramped although my wife and I have slept quite comfortably in 
the aft cabin on a 99 more than once.

If going offshore the 115 is a far bigger boat than the 99 but I cannot speak 
for the 110 or 121.

For rigging the loads and simplicity of the 99 are very nice.  Many of the 
adjustments such as backstay are not hydraulic and are well geared and easily 
adjusted.  By comparison the loads on the 115 are higher making it difficult to 
adjust outhaul, halyard etc while hard on the wind.

 If you want a 99 for racing the boat named Rabbit is for sale.  It is hull 
#1, has the original 6'6 keel, carbon rig, bow sprit, carbon wheel and custom 
Spartan interior.  This would be the fastest CC99 in existence and there is a 
huge difference in performance between the 6.5 ft keel and the 5.5 version.  
Note that if you are concerned about going places because of a deep draft then 
forget the 115 which I believe is 7 ft and go for the 5.5 ft 99.

Both of the newer CCs that I have regularly sailed on and raced on are very 
nice designs and very nice sailing boats.  CC IMO really dropped the ball when 
they changed to only the shallower keel on the 99 as it has affected the 
performance noticeably but is still a very well performing boat even with the 
5.5 ft keel.  The shallower keel has the weight a bit aft on the 99 compared to 
the 6.5 ft keel making it very important to get weight forward for optimum 
trim.  A Carbon rig 6.5 ft keel version here in Halifax is very fast and an 
Olson 30 that has raced against both variants of the 99 commented how much 
faster the deeper keel one was.

You are not going to do wrong with either the 99 or the 115 but if short handed 
sailing a lot the smaller 99 is easier to handle.  IMO CC made 4 very lovely 
models in these boats.  Good luck with your search

Oh - and the cut out transoms on all models are something I am very envious 
about.  Swimming off the 99 is very convenient compared to climbing up the 
transom and over the pushpit on our Frers 33

Mike


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My wife and I are considering a C  C 99, 110, 115 and 121.
Does anyone have any experiences, thoughts or opinions you’d care to share with 
us?

In Tampa Bay, where I'm thinking that “Mother Nature always bats last.”

Bradford W. Baker
bradba...@mac.com
8308 Old Town Drive
Tampa, FL 33647
813-528-3291

Re: Stus-List Upgrades!

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 OK, sooo, that means Fred makes house callsHey Fred, what's your calendar 
look like for next few weeks

 
Just kidding, congrats on the upgrades, I did the autopilot and chart plotter 
last year, and could not have done any of it without Fred's assistancewe 
even sent him photos form the phone while installing when we hit a snag




Richard
CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Sent: Wed, Jul 29, 2015 3:17 pm
Subject: Stus-List Upgrades!


Landfall 38 update...bigtime!


Alegria came to me (formerly Lanakai, Fugawi out of Grand Traverse Bay, MI) in 
2006 with older but working systems...SH VHF, ST4000 Auto, Furuno 16xx Radar, 
Garmin GPS, Alpine Stereo.  It hadn't been used in a couple of years and had 
been kept inside.  The Prior Owners had done a quality job in taking care of 
her.  I had previously upgraded the Autopilot to the XPS-5 SmartPilot and was 
using a Garmin 478 for GPS and Charts.


Upgrades this year:
Replaced wet core under Pedestal and Rudder post.
Replaced Pedestal with Edson Vision Series...so I could have...
Raymarine a97 9 display w/remote at the helm and
Standard Horizion Matrix 2200 VHF with AIS and Remote MIC
Raymarine Color Hi Def Radar
Raymarine Fishfinder transducer (B60) in bow
Raymarine Masthead instruments
and Fusion AV750 stereo with Sirius/XM


This was a BIG project for me...and I could not have completed it without Fred 
Street's very capable assistance.  When I was overwhelmed, he just took over.  
He plugged it in and everything worked!  It was magicical.  I highly recommend 
his services.


Pics available upon request.  Just in case anybody is interested...I do have a 
bunch of leftover parts that I would be very pleased to part with for a modest 
contribution to offset this year's expenses.  Feel free to contact me off line 
if you are interested...


I appreciate this list lotsI may not contribute much but read it daily.  
Thanks again to Stu who deserves all of our support!
Now I just want to sail her.


Spencer Johnson
1984 Landfall 38 # 165 ALEGRIA
Summers in Racine, WI
Home in Mount Prospect, IL

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Re: Stus-List Pegathy's New England Voyage

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 Dan, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your log, thank you for including it; I can 
only imagine all of the events which didn't make the log, its those little 
things that make a trip like this enjoyable!!

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush
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Sent: Mon, Jul 27, 2015 1:07 pm
Subject: Stus-List Pegathy's New England Voyage



June 5 - 28 2015 in an LF38. Baltimore to Nantucket and back. Log and photos at
Pegathy_NE_Voyage




 


 




 

 

 

 

 



Pegathy_NE_Voyage
30_Sailin_in_the_downpour_LymetoNew_Haven.jpg 9:50 am 








View on drive.google.com

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Best viewed on Google Drive. Enjoy. Questions answered on the forum.


Dan Sheer
Pegathy LF38
Rock Creek off the Patapsco



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Re: Stus-List Boat Time and Weather

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Daniel, that whole trip sounds awesome, breakdowns and all..please send the 
links as soon as you get it all put together...thanks! 
 

Richard
CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; getting hammered by more rain!

Richard N. Bush
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Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Pegathy spent most of the month of June on a cruise from Baltimore to Nantucket 
and back. Lots of sailing and lots of good shore time as well. Highlights 
include:  
  
   
  
  
The outside trip from Cape May to Block Island, wind almost 30 knts on the beam 
the whole way and phosphorescent jellies at night. Seas 6-8.  
  
   
  
  
Caribbean style navigation in 35knts (avoiding shoals by water color) on the 
trip from Martha's Vineyard to Nantucket (charts showed 20 feet, actual depth 
3-7 feet, boat draws 5, interesting),
  
  
   
  
  
Nantucket, a wonderful island  
  
   
  
  
An osprey attacking my wind vane. The bird was considerate, though. He dropped 
it on the deck, not in the water, and didn't break it.  
  
   
  
  
Entering Woods Hole in dense fog, using my conch shell as a foghorn. Thank the 
Lord for chartplotters.  
  
   
  
  
The Mystic Seaport Museum  
  
   
  
  
Sailing into Newport for the first time, and helming the 12 meter Intrepid.  
  
   
  
  
Sailing under the bridges on my youth, Throgs Neck, Whitestone, Triboro, 59th 
St. (Queensboro), Williamsburg, Manhattan, Brooklyn - all for the first time.  
  
   
  
  
A $30 mooring 3 blocks from Broadway (79th St. Boat Basin)  
  
   
  
  
Watching the World Trade Center disappear behind a thundersquall while less 
than 2 miles away.  
  
   
  
  
Sailing past the Statue of Liberty at sunset (wonderful pics)
  
  
   
  
  
A sleighride from the Verrazzano Bridge to Sandy Hook (40 knot winds).  
  
   
  
  
Sailing among the dolphins off the NJ coast.  
  
   
  
  
Loosing the alternator/water pump belt in the CD canal, towing the 38 footer 
with the 8.5 foot, 2hp dink while installing the spares, all in front of the 
Admiral who was waiting to have dinner with us at Shaeffers in Chesapeake City. 
 
  
   
  
  
A wild finale sailing down the Chesapeake in a 4 foot chop and 30 knot winds.  
  
   
  
  
I'm putting together a site with the log, pictures and video. I'll post a link 
when it's done.   
  
  
   
  
  
Dan Sheer  
  
Pegathy - LF 38  
  
Rock Creek off the Patapsco.  
  
   
  
 


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Re: Stus-List Cruisin' Music

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Crosby, Stills, and Nash.  Southern cross
 
an excellent choice, I like both the original and the Buffett cover
 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio  River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruisin' Music


  
  
Crosby, Stills, and Nash.  Southern cross. 
  


  
Doug Mountjoy  
  
svPegasus  
  
LF38   
  
just west of Ballard, WA.   
 
  
  
   


   
-- Original message--
   
From: Graham Collins via CnC-List
   
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2015 16:29
   
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Subject:Re: Stus-List Cruisin' Music
   


  
 AC/DC Thunderstruck.  
   
Graham CollinsSecret PlansCC 35-III #11
   
On2015-07-10 6:32 PM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List wrote:   
   
   

 
 Gets the crew jazzed up.
 
 
 
Pre-race battle songs should be considered carefully including a pro sports 
level psychological work up on each crew.
 
 
 
I prefer “Enter Sandman” by Metallica.  Sadly an y competent psycho work up 
would not support this choice for the rest of the Calypso crew.
 
 
 
Martin DeYoung
 
Calypso
 
1971 CC 43
 
Seattle
 

 
 
 
 
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
 Sent: Friday, July 10, 2015 2:11 PM
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 Cc: Dennis C. Subject: Re: Stus-List Cruisin' Music
 
 
 
  
   

 
  
I once did a 100 mile distance race with a family that was a bit influenced by 
reggae.  The ONLY two CD's they brought were Bob Marley Legend and Jimmy 
Buffett Songs You Know by Heart.  They played them alternately continuously 
from the noon start until our finish around 1:30am the next morning.  I still 
have trouble listening to either of them.
 
 
  
Before and after races we might fire up some Santana or some Southern Rock; 
Credence, Alabama, Allman Bros., ZZ Top, etc.  Gets the crew jazzed up.
 
 
  
The worst was a short fling with the CB Song of The Legendary Shack Shakers 
Cocka Doodle Don't CD.  
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoW8_SMyV60
 
 
  
 
 
 
Generally we prefer variety.  The Cafe del Mar CD's are nice.  At anchor during 
dinner we like soft tunes like Secret Garden.  Most of the time we hook Pandora 
to the stereo and go with soft jazz.


Dennis C.
   
   
Touche' 35-1 #83
  
  
Mandeville, LA
 





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Re: Stus-List CC 37+ Repower -- Ugh

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Per Edd's messageYy
 

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River,, Mile 596...still waitin' out high water



Richard N. Bush 

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Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Joel,


I purchased a Beta 30 from Beta Marine in NC. The engine has almost exactly the 
same specs as the old Universal M-35, including the 16” mounts. 


The people at Beta, especially Farron Peffer, have been tremendously helpful 
during each step of the process. They answer every question and offer up advice 
easily. Could not imagine a better outfit in terms of service. 


The engine is now in and all of the connections are being made today. A new 
shaft is also going in (insert your own “Edd’s shaft wasn’t long enough” jokes 
here.) In the end, I expect to have the Enterprise back by Monday. 


It’s been a long, somewhat expensive, journey, but the end is in sight. 




All the best,


Edd




Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 

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Re: Stus-List Boat time and weather

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Dave, that sounds more like it! How did your boat come through the race and 
return trip?

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB

Richard N. Bush  
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Howzabout...

11.8 knots through the water (without surfing) at 3:30 am with torrential rains 
(Gulf Stream weather) whilst everyone else is sleeping soundly down below. 

Or...listening to a VHF exchange 150 miles from US coast between 2 boats during 
a very squally day.   One losing its rudder (top bearing gave way) and could 
possibly sink.  The other planning on picking them up via a liferaft exchange. 
Crew transferred safely, boat eventually towed in.

Or coming back Thursday and being part of a 35 boat Sunflower raft on Saturday 
(tried to send with a cool pic but it is stuck in e-mail purgatory)

David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)





 
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Re: Stus-List 37 Plus Below-Deck Autopilot

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Gary, check with Fred Street of this list, (Fred, chime in here); Fred 
recommended an Octopus Hydraulic drive with a Raymarine system, which I 
installed in my 37; I can send photos off line...
 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Hi Edd,  
 Pictures would be great!  I'm especially interested in how the attachment 
is made to the quadrant.  Live long and prosper...  
  
   
  
  
Thank you,  
  
Gary  
  
   
   

 ~~~ _/ )~~


   

   
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:49 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List 
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Gary,  
  
   
  
  
The Enterprise came with a Robertson autopilot installed. The ram is installed 
on a shelf inside the access area on the port side next to the helm seat and 
connects to the steering quadrant.   
  
   
  
  
I should be getting the boat back this week and I'll take some pictures for 
you.   
  
   
  
  
The Robertson still works, but eventually I'd like to upgrade to the Raymarine 
Evolution.
   
   

   
   
All the best,   
   

   
   
Edd   
   

   
   
---   
   
Edd M. Schillay   
   
Starship Enterprise   
   
NCC-1701-B   
   
CC 37+ | City Island, NY   
   
www.StarshipSailing.com   
   
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914.332.4400  | Office   
   
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iPhone. iTypos. iApologize   
  
  
   

 
On Jul 7, 2015, at 6:02 AM, Gary Russell via CnC-List  
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I just bought a 37 Plus and want to install a below deck autopilot.  Has anyone 
done this?  I am interested in the details of how (and where) to mount the ram. 
 Pictures would be wonderful.  
   
  
  
Thanks,  
  
Gary  
  
S/V High Maintenance  
  
1990 CC 37 Plus  
  
East Greenwich, RI, USA  
  
   

 ~~~ _/ )~~


   
   
 
 
   
  
 
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Re: Stus-List Races underway Bermuda to Marion

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Dave, It was a real treat following along on the tracking site; and we have 
enough veteran racers on the list that it was like a play-by-play, or rather, 
tack by tack!When you get home, (and if you feel up to it), could you give 
us a review of what you did to prep for the race, the boat and the crew, and 
how you made decisions during the race?  Some info about the return leg also? 
Thanks
 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; Still waiting out high water!

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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In years past I have.  Pretty funny in the middle of the ocean.
   
  
  
This year we actually did a # 1 to a #2 sail change and had two competitors on 
my windward hip and we promptly started to climb up and away!   250 miles out.  
  
  
   
  
  
Pretty funny.   
   

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)



 
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 14:12:04 -0400 
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Subject: Stus-List Races underway 
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
CC: joel.aron...@gmail.com 
 
 
Marion-Bermuda started today.
   
  
  
Second leg of the Bermuda 1-2 started yesterday.
  
   
  
  
These guys will be surprised if the see sailboats headed the opposite 
direction!   
   

   
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Joel 
301 541 8551   
   
 
  
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Re: Stus-List Holding Tank for CC 37 Plus

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Gary, last winter I ordered a brand new tank from Kracor; it matched the 
original 1985 tank; they were great to deal with; I went to their website and 
then just called them up; it did take a bout 4 weeks for shipmentthey put 
the holes in the tank for me
 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;  

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2015 7:30 am
Subject: Stus-List Holding Tank for CC 37 Plus


 
As per previous post I have bought a CC 37 Plus and am in need of a new 
holding tank.  The existing tank in aluminum and is 25 years old.  Guess what, 
it leaks.  Does anyone know where i can get a poly tank for it?  It is wedge 
shaped.  
   
  
  
If not, does anyone know where I can get one made?  
  
   
  
  
Gary  
  
CC 37 Plus  
  
S/V High Maintenance  
  
East Greenwich, RI, USA   
   

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Re: Stus-List Marion Bermuda race

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If I'm reading the race tracker correctly, it looks like Dave has a first in 
Class   C!
 

Richard
1985 CC ; Ohio River; mile 596
Richard N. Bush 
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Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Subject: Stus-List Marion Bermuda race


 
Our own David Risch is doing the race in his CC 40, Corsair.  Start is in less 
than 2 days!  
   
  
  
Track the fleet athttp://yb.tl/mb2015.   
   

   
   
Good luck David!
   
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Joel 
301 541 8551   
   
 
 

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Re: Stus-List Races underway

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Its interesting how bunched up the fleet is; I would have thought there would 
be more separation by nowthis is really  treat to be able to  follow this 
race so closely!
 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596; stranded due to High water from Tropical 
Storm Bill...

Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Sent: Sat, Jun 20, 2015 7:05 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Races underway


Looks like it paid off. Some tough weather ahead. I wish everyone a safe 
passage.  
Joel  
  
On Friday, June 19, 2015, Dennis C. via CnC-List   cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:  
  
   

 
  
David was doing really well but has sailed well right of his class and is 
losing spots.  Lots like a couple days of nasty upwind sailing ahead but 
staying right could pay off big later.   
   
  
Dennis C.  
 
Touche' 35-1 #83 

Mandeville, LA
   
   


On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 1:14 PM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
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Joel,   

   
   
CC Lister David Risch and his CC 40 Corsair are in the Marion-Bermuda. You 
can follow his progress here: http://yb.tl/mb2015# 


   

All the best,   
   

   
   
Edd   
   

   
   

   
   
Edd M. Schillay   
   
Starship Enterprise   
   
CC 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B   
   
City Island, NY
  
 
  Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
 
  
 
 
   
   






   

   
  
  


 
 

 
  
   

On Jun 19, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
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Marion-Bermuda started today.
   
  
  
Second leg of the Bermuda 1-2 started yesterday.
  
   
  
  
These guys will be surprised if the see sailboats headed the opposite 
direction!   
   

   
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Joel 
301 541 8551   
   
 

   
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Re: Stus-List Races underway

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Per Joel's explanation; The Gulf Stream has a very defined curve.  I suspect 
everyone is sailing towards about the same entry point.

Will they begin separating after they get into the Gulf Stream? I have never 
done an ocean race, but have read about these races, this is where the 
Navigator begins to make certain decisions which affect the course for the rest 
of the race...? 

 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;waiting out high water from Tropical Storm 
Bill;
Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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The Gulf Stream has a very defined curve.  I suspect everyone is sailing 
towards about the same entry point.
  
 
 
Joel  
  



 
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Re: Stus-List Alianna's big splash 2015

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Dwight, Congrats; I (actually, I'm pretty sure we all do) know the joy of 
finally getting in the water, checking things out and lo and behold, they work! 
Yay!! 
 

Richard
CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584; River rising due to tropical storm Bill; 


Richard N. Bush
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Subject: Stus-List Alianna's big splash 2015


 
I am very pleased to report that Alianna was launched on Wednesday past and got 
her sails put on, cockpit led running rigging setup and standing rigging rough 
tuned yesterday ; she is now resting peacefully on her moorig in Schooner Cove 
expecting to do a shake down sail tomorrow if all goes as planned.  Her deep 
cycle batteries held charge well over the winter and seem strong and reliable, 
that's 9 consecutive years now and never off the boat since day one.  
Surpisingly all electronics worked well without any problem but I did realize 
after about 10 minutes that the gps chart plotter does require the card to be 
installed, a small oversight caused by the excitement of being afloat after the 
long winter on the hard.  She cleaned up very well thanks to Awlgrip, Awlwash 
and Awlcare and a new coat of black International bottm paint and the interior 
stayed surpisingly fresh and clean during winter storage thanks to ample 
ventilation and a garboard drain.  I did have to rebed 3 fixed lenses in my 
Beckson ports...for which I used 3M 5200 with some trepedation but I don't ever 
want to remove these lenses again, so if reports are correct about the adhesive 
tenacity of 5200 and this works over the long haul there may indeed be a place 
to use 3M 5200 on a sailboat...time will tell and I'll be sure to let you all 
know.  
  
   

 
  
   
Dwight Veinot
   
CC 35 MKII,Alianna   
  
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS  
  
   d.ve...@bellaliant.net  
  
   
  
 

   
   
 
 

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Re: Stus-List Queen's Cup Race

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I am not familiar with the Queen's Cup Race; could you share more information 
about it? It's history and inception , then course, and naturally, the CC 
involvement?  Thanks
 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River; Mile 584; awaiting Tropical Storm/depression 
Bill


Richard N. Bush 
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Sent: Wed, Jun 17, 2015 3:11 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Marion Bermuda race


  
  
Neil,  
  
   
  
  
Best of luck to you and Glenn.  The Queen’s Cup can be a very fun race with 
good conditions.  I have a lot of friends from this side of the lake that do it 
every year.  
  
   
  
  
Jim Reinardy  
  
CC 30-2 “Firewater”  
  
Milwaukee, WI   
  
   
  
  
   
Sent from Windows Mail   
   

   
  
  
   
From: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Sent: ‎Wednesday‎, ‎June‎ ‎17‎, ‎2015 ‎1‎:‎53‎ ‎PM
To: Edd Schillay via CnC-List
Cc: schiller   
  
  
   
  
  
Our own Glenn Gambel will be sailing his CC 36 in the Queens Cup 
(Milwaukee to South Haven, Mi) next week.  I am going to crew for him (Not much 
rail meat since I lost 75 lbs, but I can still grind a winch).  We leave White 
Lake, Mi Tuesday night for an overnight across the lake and then race back to 
South Haven leaving Friday night.
 
 No tracking, but I'll update the list when we get in to South Haven (my home 
port).
 
 Neil Schiller
 1970 Redwing 35, Hull #7
 (CC 35, Mark I)
 South Haven Michigan

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Re: Stus-List sail question

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Sounds like the perfect description of a cutter rig!

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 584.4


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Cc: Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com
Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 11:20 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List sail question


 
  
Thanks for all the info so far.
  
Racing is not an issue for this sail. Neither is real light air, I can motor, 
use the spinnaker, or drag out one of my 170 genoas. I have a Mylar and light 
Dacron 170 that both have hardly been used.
  
I am thinking smaller instead of bigger because when the wind is really kicking 
I want to roll in to around 100% and still have a good shape.
  
I have looked for used sails for years now and kind of given up on that. Unless 
the boat sinks, no one is giving up a good furling jib. If you want a racing 
sail or an old hank-on sail, plenty of those around. It looks like I will need 
to go new for this.
  
 
  
   
Joe Della Barba
  
  
j...@dellabarba.com
  
 




 
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Re: Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

Dave, per your contact, Rudy,  at DR Marine, do you happen to know if he has 
CC specific parts? Thanks
 

Richard
1985 CC 27 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
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Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2015 7:20 am
Subject: Stus-List Hardware etc. Resource


 
  
Was referred to a man named Rudy who owns D  R marine (Assonet, MA) when I 
needed to replace my lifelines.   Rudy did great work at great prices.   
   
(508) 644 3001   
   
His large barn next to his house is full of new hardware he purchased from 
closed boat manufacturers (Pearson, ODay, Alden etc) and old stock from parts 
manufacturers (Edson etc.).   
   
His prices and service are great and he ships.   Might be worth an e-mail to 
Rudy if you have needs.   
   
(I have no interest in D  R)
   
David F. Risch   
1981 40-2   
(401) 419-4650 (cell)   
  
  
 

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Re: Stus-List New instruments?

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 I'll second Fred's comments about the i70; it has worked well for us...Fred 
was very helpful, ( and patient with all of my questions) in getting the system 
up and running... 

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Sent: Fri, May 29, 2015 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List New instruments?


Hi, Patrick.  I’ll admit my bias up front; I design and install marine 
electrical and electronics systems, and have been a Raymarine-certified 
installer. 
  
 
 
Okay, that’s out of the way. 
 
  
 
 
Raymarine in the past did have a bit of an issue with network versions; but now 
that they’ve settled on SeaTalkNG for most medium-speed data (SeaTalkNG is 
basically an NMEA2000 network with one additional wire to support the older 
SeaTalk1 data), that’s not much of an issue any more.  I’ve sold a bunch of i70 
systems in the last year or two, including several to people on this list.  Ask 
them what they think of the i70. The feedback I’ve received so far is 
universally positive.  The i70 will repeat/display just about any NMEA2000 data 
available on the network.  That data can come from “dumb” analog transducers by 
running them through an inexpensive ITC-5 instrument converter.  Often the old 
speed/depth transducers you currently have in your boat can work this way; and 
even wind, if you have an older Raymarine wind transducer. 
 
  
 
 
You can also go the route of “smart” transducers; the DST800 depth/speed/temp 
triducer works great this way, and only requires one hole for the transducer.  
Currently, Raymarine wind transducers do require a converter like the ITC-5 to 
be used on a SeaTalkNG/NMEA2000 network.  You could go with another 
manufacturer’s “smart” wind transducer, but then you lose the ability to 
calibrate the transducer. 
 
  
 
 
I’m surprised at the answers you got from Ray’s tech support people; they’re 
usually much better than that. 
 
  
 
 
BG makes nice stuff; but you’re probably going to pay a bit more, as the 
distribution network for sales of BG is much smaller than other manufacturers; 
and that also makes it harder to get support.  BG is part of Simrad, and tends 
to gear their equipment towards the racing market (where they can command a 
premium price).  You could spend less and get Simrad, with many of the same 
features.  Or go with Raymarine. 
 
  
 
 
I can source Raymarine, Furuno, Simrad and other gear for people on the CC 
list at dealer prices; let me know off-list if you’d like to talk further about 
this. 
 
  
 
 
— Fred  
  
 
  
   
   
 
  
   

 
Fred Street -- Minneapolis 
S/V  Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI 
   
   
  
 

  

 
   




 
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Re: Stus-List bedding of windows- butyl and more

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Based upon Bill's recommendation I have purchased a roll of the butyl 
tape...(Thanks for the suggestion!)  I'll report back on my results.

 


Richard

Richard N. Bush 
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 584.4

2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Re: Stus-List Holding Tank for LF 38

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I agree with Fred, although I have a 37 and my tank specs will be different 
from the 38; I placed my tank this spring, and I went with Kracor; they were 
excellent to work with and shipped on time; I would recommend them to anyone 
replacing an older tank...no affiliation, ymmv, ... etc
 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB, Ohio River, Mile 584;
Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
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Sent: Sat, May 9, 2015 10:59 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Holding Tank for LF 38


Hi, Adrian, and welcome to the list!  And the LF38!  Both excellent choices…   
:^) 
  
 
 
The original tank in my 1979 LF38, hull number 009, was made by Kracor up here 
in Wisconsin; it’s 32 gallons, and their mold number 5064.  I'll email you a 
PDF spec sheet on the tank offline. 
 
  
 
 
As far as I know, you can still get these from Kracor. 
 
  
 
 
— Fred  
  
 
  
   
   
 
  
   

 
Fred Street -- Minneapolis 
S/V  Oceanis (1979 CC Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI 
   
   
  
 

  

 
   
   
  
   
On May 9, 2015, at 9:11 AM, adrian via CnC-List cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
wrote:   
   
   

 
Hi Everyone,  
   
I am a new LF 38 owner in the Annapolis area.  The brown water holding tank on 
my boat failed prior to my purchase and had been removed.  My LF 38 has the 
STBD quarterberth, not the nav station.  The holding tank will go under this 
berth.  While I am open to thoughts around soft tanks or composting heads, I am 
most interested in finding out if anyone can tell me the make/model/size of the 
original holding tank so I can determine if I can replace it or look to another 
vendor/option.  
   
Thanks in advance.  
   
Adrian Bordone  
S/V Vela  
Millersville, MD 

   
  
 


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Re: Stus-List rig tuning

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

On everything up top on the standing rigging, Rob, by up top do you mean 
that the rings are still acceptable for the turnbuckles? thanks
 

Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596

Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 
 
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Sent: Tue, Apr 28, 2015 3:40 pm
Subject: Stus-List rig tuning


 On everything up top on the standing rigging, I now use only SS cotter 
pins.this is because on several occasions, and I can not explain how it 
happened, the split rings vanished.  Luckily, nothing fell down before the 
missing split ring was detected.  I have no explanation how the split rings 
disappeared but I do know that since being replaced with cotter pins, there has 
not been been a missing pin. 
  
 The thread Subject is rig tuning..on that note I have rod rigging and a 
Loos RT10 tuning gauge is a must for me..I can't pull on shrouds and tell 
how much tension is there.  Now someone will chime in and tell me to measure my 
threads in the turnbuckles.  But how do you initially do that without a 
reference point with the benefit of a gauge.   
  
 When we were campaigning our Kirby 25, we made rig adjustments depending on 
the conditions.  We still used a Loos gauge to take the guessing out of the 
equation. 
  
 I shouldn't admit this but I will.on my shroud turnbuckles, I use the 
small plastic pull/lock strings (or whatever they are called).  Once I get my 
rig tuned early in the Spring after a few sails, it stays that way all season 
unless I adjust it after periodic checking with the Loos gauge and sighting the 
mast, of course. 
  
 Rob Abbott 
 AZURA 
 CC 32 - 84 
 Halifax, N.S. 
  
 With the cover just removed and no launch date set yet. 
  
   
  
  
 

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Re: Stus-List Question about steering cables

[Richard N. Bush via CnC-List]

 Rick, thanks, I do not have any slack wires, but I can deflect/pull them 
about 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch; some one had suggested I look at the Edson Utube 
video, which I did; they say the 1/2 to 3/4 in. is about right; leaving little 
or no play in the wheel.  I think I'm good on this one , only 1,001 more things 
to do!

 


Richard
1095 CC 37 CB Ohio River; Mi 596;


Richard N. Bush  
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255

 

 

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Sent: Wed, May 6, 2015 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Question about steering cables


Richard,  
Someone else may chime in with better info, but my question is what you 
consider “play”.  Does that mean that you can deflect the cable by .5-.75”? or 
that the cable hangs that much with no pressure?  I would think the second 
scenario would not be acceptable.  I would also think that you would feel that 
in the steering or will at some point.  I have adjusted mine to “snug” but mine 
is readily available!  Thanks for reminding me though as I need to check mine 
as well.  
 
Cheers 
 
  
 
 
Rick 
 
CC 37+ “Paikea” 
 
Poulsbo, WA  
  
   

On May 5, 2015, at 8:58 AM, Richard N. Bush via CnC-List  
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Hi all, in getting ready for spring I noticed some slack in my steering 
cables in the area between the quadrant and the sheaves which turn the cable up 
into the helm; the play is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch; is there a norm or a standard 
rule of thumb for how much, if any flex, or looseness is considered standard, 
similar to the tension of an engine belt, (I'm thinking of the 1/2 inch flex 
for the alternator belt, etc)?   I did tighten up the cable terminal on the 
quadrant and that seemed to tighten the cable a bit, but I can only reach on of 
the terminals, not both of them...: also, we got in our first sail of the 
season last Sunday and there was no noticeable play or slack in the steering 
wheel.   many thanks to the group for your collective wisdom!   
   
   

   
   

Richard 
 1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596; 
 
 
 
 Richard N. Bush  
 2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
 Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462  
 502-584-7255
   
   

 
  
   
 
   
  
 


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Re: Stus-List Question about steering cables

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 Hi all, in getting ready for spring I noticed some slack in my steering cables 
in the area between the quadrant and the sheaves which turn the cable up into 
the helm; the play is about 1/2 to 3/4 inch; is there a norm or a standard rule 
of thumb for how much, if any flex, or looseness is considered standard, 
similar to the tension of an engine belt, (I'm thinking of the 1/2 inch flex 
for the alternator belt, etc)?   I did tighten up the cable terminal on the 
quadrant and that seemed to tighten the cable a bit, but I can only reach on of 
the terminals, not both of them...: also, we got in our first sail of the 
season last Sunday and there was no noticeable play or slack in the steering 
wheel.   many thanks to the group for your collective wisdom!

 


Richard
1985 CC 37 CB; Ohio River Mile 596;


Richard N. Bush 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255
 



 
 
 

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