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Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of Arguments sketch. No, it isn't! If only this thread would pine for the fjords. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How were they to move around all day? I've always wondered... On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Get with the program! the 20 iMac is much more practical... I spent the day working on several 24-inch iMacs. It was s nice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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- I need a decent-size screen and a real keyboard. Not in class you don't. At home you use a real keyboard and any of a number of inexpensive flat panel monitors. Once again, you're telling me what I need and don't need, which has been the basic McFan response here. The response is not, Right, Apple doesn't have that at this point, I wish they did, it's Gawd, you're just too stupid to know your own needs, so we'll tell you what they are. This is pretty much the definition of hubris. Why is mighty Apple unable to produce a $699 laptop (especially when they don't even have to pay for the OS that sits on it)? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides: You forgot to insist that it must be brown. What a silly, meaningless response this is. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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How were they to move around all day? I've always wondered... I just noticed that some of the seats on Metro trains have electric outlets under them. Obviously put there for iMac users. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of Arguments sketch. No, it isn't! Yes, it is. Oh look, this isn't an argument. It occurred to me last night that there's another Python bit that's even more on point than the argument sketch. I'm thinking of Holy Grail, where the questers ask the French, Who will join us in our quest for the Holy Grail? John Cleese, in his ridiculous French accent, leans over the castle wall and responds that they already have one, then bends down to his confreres and says, I told them we already had one! and they all start laughing. I have a vision of Tom leaning over to whomever it is that he leans over to and saying, I told them Lauren should've gotten an iMac to take to class!, followed by everyone clutching their sides and dissolving in gales of hilarity. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I'm thinking of Holy Grail, where the questers ask the French, Who will join us in our quest for the Holy Grail? John Cleese, in his ridiculous French accent, leans over the castle wall and responds that they already have one, then bends down to his confreres and says, I told them we already had one! and they all start laughing. I have a vision of Tom leaning over to whomever it is that he leans over to and saying, I told them Lauren should've gotten an iMac to take to class!, followed by everyone clutching their sides and dissolving in gales of hilarity. You may have a point. He does smell of elderberries and has a tendency to taunt. Actually, Tom being French explains almost everything. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Get with the program! the 20 iMac is much more practical... I spent the day working on several 24-inch iMacs. It was s nice. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That's true, MS did stack the deck to artificially exclude apple..I mean she wanted a portable computer and Apple doesn't have one of those...she wanted a reasonable price, and we KNOW Apple doesn't have reasonable prices. Man how dishonest! Anyone needing a portable just buy an imac and lug that one around everywhere...we swear, it will work. :) On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Now you get the point of the commercial! She couldn't seriously consider a Mac, as there were zero options, given her budget and requirements. Now you don't get the point. The requirements were artificially contrived to exclude a very good and appropriate computer that Apple does make that competes with the 8-pound laptop. The Apple offering even comes with a bigger screen and a full set of software. The $999 20-inch iMac is what she should have bought. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You forgot to insist that it must be brown. What a silly, meaningless response this is. I have this image of Tom sitting at home being deliberately obtuse, seeing how much shit he can stir up on this list. It's really not worth it to play his games. I know. It has occurred to me more than once that if this were anyplace else, the dreaded tr*ll word would have come up long ago. It's hard to come up with a different explanation for some of the more egregious items (such as, iMac is suitable for use on an airplane, and only weightlifters are strong enough to carry an HP laptop). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Steve at Verizon stevet...@verizon.netwrote: She wanted a LAPTOP!!! Do you not understand that some people need a machine they can use in the classroom, or on a plane, or working from their hotel room when traveling. Surely you are not ignorant of the many reasons for the use of a laptop. Why do you repeated tell her she can't have one? Well she could have a laptop running MAC OSX for under $1K. It would of course be a hackintosh. If she were happy with a netbook then she could just pull it off for under $500 including buying OSX.5. That M$ gets some money, Apple gets some money and MSI or dell or whoever gets some money. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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The requirements were artificially contrived to exclude a very good and appropriate computer that Apple does make that competes with the 8-pound laptop. Right, the need to be able to take the machine with you is unbelievably artificial. How ridiculous. Nobody in the real world needs to take their computers with them, ever. Are you laughing when you write this claptrap? Seriously. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Now you are talking! :-) Stewart At 09:39 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote: Yeah it is called chopped steak! Extra Value Meal? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No - I am saying, as one with decades professionally in and out of academic environments, that the overwhelming majority of classroom settings are inhospitable to both the physical profile and battery life of a 17 inch laptop. A smaller laptop that will actually fit on a standard class chair/desk, especially one in a lecture hall, is a vastly superior choice for what you will be doing in a classroom setting. Back at home or dorm where there is more room you can get an even bigger monitor and an actual real keyboard with numeric keypad for whatever the need is. The best of both worlds. Thus, by first rationally analyzing the problem, you end up with a better solution. In this case it could be PC or Mac depending on the software needed. Matthew On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:58 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: - I need a decent-size screen and a real keyboard. Not in class you don't. At home you use a real keyboard and any of a number of inexpensive flat panel monitors. Once again, you're telling me what I need and don't need, which has been the basic McFan response here. The response is not, Right, Apple doesn't have that at this point, I wish they did, it's Gawd, you're just too stupid to know your own needs, so we'll tell you what they are. This is pretty much the definition of hubris. Why is mighty Apple unable to produce a $699 laptop (especially when they don't even have to pay for the OS that sits on it)? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Actually the better choice right now is the netbooks for classroom notes etc. They are light very portable and not a huge footprint. I was in Target the other day and they had a closeout on a Linux ASUS netbook for 212.00. Those truly are the portable choice right now. Download your stuff to a external and then use it on a desktop or a 17 notebook. Stewart At 08:52 AM 3/31/2009, you wrote: No - I am saying, as one with decades professionally in and out of academic environments, that the overwhelming majority of classroom settings are inhospitable to both the physical profile and battery life of a 17 inch laptop. A smaller laptop that will actually fit on a standard class chair/desk, especially one in a lecture hall, is a vastly superior choice for what you will be doing in a classroom setting. Back at home or dorm where there is more room you can get an even bigger monitor and an actual real keyboard with numeric keypad for whatever the need is. The best of both worlds. Thus, by first rationally analyzing the problem, you end up with a better solution. In this case it could be PC or Mac depending on the software needed. Matthew Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Maybe she needed a laptop today, not three years from now after scrimping and saving? Maybe she wanted one with at least some kind of warranty rather then a 4 year old mac that has nothing but duct tape and a wing and a prayer keeping it together. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:49 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: Shopping with a budget and a list? I shop with a wing and a prayer. Car dealers [and other purveyors of big-ticket items] would hate me, because if something costs more than I can afford [most of the time, BTW] I just don't buy. The purchase of a Mac laptop [I do have a relatively new one now] is something that was planned for, and schemed for, for years before I FINALLY got it. Before that, my laptops were used [including my first Mac laptop, my beloved $25 clamshell]; one was rescued FROM THE TRASH--I got there minutes before the cleaning crew would have chucked it into the trash bin on the cleaning cart. [No, the cleaners--whom I had gotten to know fairly well--couldn't have used the computer themselves.] My point is that Lady Shopright COULD have had a Mac laptop, IF she hadn't wanted to pay a Wal-Mart discount price for a fancy, premium new machine. Which is pretty unrealistic--if she had done 5 minutes' worth of research on the Net, she would have known that. No need for even a pretend visit to the Apple Store. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list. I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do you spend without a list versus with a list. When I go shopping for a car I have a budget and a needs list. (4 door, automatic (I like clutches but my wife dose not) power seats, power windows etc.) If I did not find a car within my budget I either revise my budget or I revise my needs list. Car dealers love folks like you because they can over sell a car to you because you will take what they tell you, you need. By the way I will not pay more for a foreign car just because it is foreign. It better give me a lot more for my buck than a domestic car or I am not buying it. I have owned a couple of foreign cars but European cars not Japanese. (I am not prejudiced as I realize that most American cars sold are multi national cars. I have just been bitten by repair facilities over charging for fixing foreign cars.) Price is at one point important, but at another point just part of the equation. The point of the Ad (it was not a documentary it is placed as an ad, that is like calling these paid advertisements on TV documentaries.) was that you could not buy a Mac Notebook for under $1,000.00. That was the main point they wanted to make. All sorts of assumptions have been made on what they were trying to say. But you know what they say about assumptions. :-) Stewart At 09:00 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote: I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and requirements is fundamentally unrealistic. The real world does not organize itself according to our wishes. If she's even thinking of buying a Mac [which from context it's clear that she's NOT] she needs to look at Macs overall--quality, price, everything. If price is the only criterion, well, that's her choice; but if she wants a Mac at an unrealistically low price--well, that's just wishful thinking. Cubic zirconia isn't fake anything; it's real cubic zirconia, and a lot of fun. And an HP isn't a fake computer, but then a Tata Nano isn't a fake car, either. It's just not the same as a Toyota or a Honda, for which one can expect to pay a bit more. --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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My point is that Lady Shopright COULD have had a Mac laptop, IF she hadn't wanted to pay a Wal-Mart discount price for a fancy, premium new machine. Which is pretty unrealistic--if she had done 5 minutes' worth of research on the Net, she would have known that. No need for even a pretend visit to the Apple Store. Constance, this really doesn't strike you as criticizing a TV commercial for being a TV commercial? They are that they are. They make their points visually. The shot of her walking away from the Apple store empty-handed was a great visual. Would anything she did on the net have as much effect? They're both plausible, so why use the option that wouldn't show as well? Why would they do that? If you ran the ad agency making this commercial, would YOU do that? Does any of this affect the truthiness of its basic point, that if you need a laptop with a decent size screen and you have only a thousand bucks, you're out of luck with Apple because they don't make one? Isn't that factually accurate? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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That's true, MS did stack the deck to artificially exclude apple. Game Over. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well she could have a laptop running MAC OSX for under $1K. It would of course be a hackintosh. If she were happy with a netbook then she could just pull it off for under $500 including buying OSX.5. That M$ gets some money, Apple gets some money and MSI or dell or whoever gets some money. But it would not then not be big, bulky, and heavy, with poor battery life, a crummy screen, and loaded with crapware. WFBs would not like it. Many MFBs think netbooks running OS X are cool, but we buy the version with Linux so MS don't get any dough out of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Not quite sure how I 'changed the facts'--everything I posted was factual. It's certainly true that you can get a Mac laptop for less than $1K, if you don't demand the latest fancy model, you don't want it instantly, and you're willing to do some research. It's all a matter of tradeoffs. If Lady Shopright is happy with her cheaper Windows machine, then hooray for her. Caveat emptor, and all that. It's too bad she didn't have more lead time to plan, research, and/or save. Actually, since Lady Shopright's needs [for her new computer] are hypothetical, it's hard to advise her on what she should have bought. If her needs are average [i.e. no high-end professional graphics; no scientific number-crunching; etc.] and her budget is limited, I'd advise her to buy one of the neat little netbooks and a paperback guide to Linux. The typical netbook is featherweight and comes with an office suite. I'm not irritated by her personal choice; I just don't like the deceptive rhetoric and the silly attitudes of the commercial. It's true, the art of the commercial is the art of partial truth and distortion. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 2:13 PM, mike wrote: Again, changing the facts won't win your argument. She got what she wanted, for the price she wanted...just because your irritated it wasn't a mac doesn't mean she didn't. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: You don't have to be rich to afford a Mac. But to demand the LATEST model, 17 laptop, for a Wal-Mart discount price? THAT'S unrealistic. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:39 AM, mike wrote: Constance, when you go shopping are you saying you have ZERO criteria? NONE? You must be unbelievably rich. For the rest of us who have normal jobs, make normal amounts of money...money does have to come into play at some point. Not everyone can live with the 'money is no object' attitude some have on this list. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and requirements is fundamentally unrealistic. The real world does not organize itself according to our wishes. If she's even thinking of buying a Mac [which from context it's clear that she's NOT] she needs to look at Macs overall--quality, price, everything. If price is the only criterion, well, that's her choice; but if she wants a Mac at an unrealistically low price--well, that's just wishful thinking. Cubic zirconia isn't fake anything; it's real cubic zirconia, and a lot of fun. And an HP isn't a fake computer, but then a Tata Nano isn't a fake car, either. It's just not the same as a Toyota or a Honda, for which one can expect to pay a bit more. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores-- she's limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip before she's even started. It's like saying, I want a flawless one-carat stone, but I require that the ring should cost no more than $100. Guess what? You're getting cubic zirconia! Constance, wanting a laptop for under $1,000 is neither unreasonable nor impossible. The parts of the real world that are unable to meet her requirements are not computer stores but Apple stores. As to cubic zirconia, the analogy doesn't hold because, your personal opinion of it notwithstanding, her HP is not a fake computer. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** *** ** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *** ** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** *
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It's like a bad horror movie...just when you think it's over it comes back. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Well she could have a laptop running MAC OSX for under $1K. It would of course be a hackintosh. If she were happy with a netbook then she could just pull it off for under $500 including buying OSX.5. That M$ gets some money, Apple gets some money and MSI or dell or whoever gets some money. But it would not then not be big, bulky, and heavy, with poor battery life, a crummy screen, and loaded with crapware. WFBs would not like it. Many MFBs think netbooks running OS X are cool, but we buy the version with Linux so MS don't get any dough out of it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Must be irritated horribly by all those Apple ads then. On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: I'm not irritated by her personal choice; I just don't like the deceptive rhetoric and the silly attitudes of the commercial. It's true, the art of the commercial is the art of partial truth and distortion. --Constance Warner * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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She wanted a LAPTOP!!! Why do you repeated tell her she can't have one? She did not buy a laptop. She bought a compact desktop that takes the form of a laptop, but it is not a laptop computer. It is too big, bulky, and heavy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom, read the subject line! I wrote that subject line. It belongs to me. It is the title of the commercial, not a reference to a type of computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Does any of this affect the truthiness of its basic point, that if you need a laptop with a decent size screen and you have only a thousand bucks, you're out of luck with Apple because they don't make one? Isn't that factually accurate? No it is nonesense. The big, bulky, heavy, blurry thing she bought is hardly a laptop. It is the kind of purchase that ends up in the back of the closet. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I already defended you on this one. Tom is too small and frail to lift 8 pounds! It's not his fault he's built weak. (No one tell Tom that Apple sells a laptop that is only 1.2 pounds lighter) On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: She wanted a LAPTOP!!! Why do you repeated tell her she can't have one? She did not buy a laptop. She bought a compact desktop that takes the form of a laptop, but it is not a laptop computer. It is too big, bulky, and heavy. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Right, but your solution to the gal who wanted a laptop was an iMac which is not. Tom Piwowar wrote: Tom, read the subject line! I wrote that subject line. It belongs to me. It is the title of the commercial, not a reference to a type of computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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(No one tell Tom that Apple sells a laptop that is only 1.2 pounds lighter) I don't comsider that a laptop. It is actually a portable video production studio. That is what it is bought for. That is why it costs what it costs. It competes with alternatives selling upwards of $100,000. That Mac is a real bargain. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Jeff Wright jswri...@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of Arguments sketch. No, it isn't! If only this thread would pine for the fjords. True story The Apple Genius told me that my Wife's 2cnd Generation Nano was 'pining for the fjords' last friday night. Yes he used those terms and no I did not off a getting hit in the head lesson. We had a choice for $99 direct swap for a second generation iPod nano or we could get 15% off a new fourth generation iPod using the dead parrot as a trade in. We traded unfortunately none of our old speaker docks will work as a charging station. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:51:52 -0400, Chris Dunford wrote: I have this image of Tom sitting at home being deliberately obtuse, seeing how much shit he can stir up on this list. It's really not worth it to play his games. I know. It has occurred to me more than once that if this were anyplace else, the dreaded tr*ll word would have come up long ago. It's hard to Ah yes. The T word. It's been so long that I've been on a list that had the problem I forgot all about it. come up with a different explanation for some of the more egregious items (such as, iMac is suitable for use on an airplane, and only weightlifters are strong enough to carry an HP laptop). Well, Chris mightn't want to come right out and say it, but frak it, I will: Tom acts like a troll sometimes. Unfortunately, it's his list, so he's not likely to reign in the offender, or boot him off. -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Seriously, this is funnier than Monty Python's old Ministry of Arguments sketch. No, it isn't! Yes, it is. Oh look, this isn't an argument. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom, Get with the program! the 20 iMac is much more practical... Rocky Date:Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:27:56 -0400 From:Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com Subject: Re: Laptop Hunters (No one tell Tom that Apple sells a laptop that is only 1.2 pounds lighter) I don't comsider that a laptop. It is actually a portable video production studio. That is what it is bought for. That is why it costs what it costs. It competes with alternatives selling upwards of $100,000. That Mac is a real bargain. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip before she's even started. It's like saying, I want a flawless one-carat stone, but I require that the ring should cost no more than $100. Guess what? You're getting cubic zirconia! Your requirements mean that you never seriously considered a diamond, regardless of what you told yourself. In fact, I've got a ring with a cubic zirconia in it, and I like it. I also got a nice Mac laptop last year, and I like that, too. I waited for quite some time before I got it, because I didn't have unrealistic ideas of what macs--or diamonds--should cost. The Mac was worth waiting for, even though it cost more than a low-end PC [though it actually cost less than the sleek light-weight PC that was its only rival, as far as I was concerned]. --Constance Warner Just won't give up, eh? You seem to always omit one of her requirements, accidentally I am sure. She specified a laptop. Last I checked, iMac was a desktop. Not very convenient for carrying to her busboy classes at the community college. Not to mention that even at $1099 it's $400 more than what she eventually bought. Hardly mere quibbling. Can you get a 17 laptop from Apple for $1000? Yes or no? ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip before she's even started. It's like saying, I want a flawless one-carat stone, but I require that the ring should cost no more than $100. Guess what? You're getting cubic zirconia! Constance, wanting a laptop for under $1,000 is neither unreasonable nor impossible. The parts of the real world that are unable to meet her requirements are not computer stores but Apple stores. As to cubic zirconia, the analogy doesn't hold because, your personal opinion of it notwithstanding, her HP is not a fake computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Constance, wanting a laptop for under $1,000 is neither unreasonable nor impossible. The parts of the real world that are unable to meet her requirements are not computer stores but Apple stores. You are a victim of the Microsoft reality distortion field. We have already established that: 1) Lauren is not a big woman. 2) The laptop she bought is 2-inches thick and weighs 8 pounds. To carry around this laptop is like walking around with two six packs of beer (and never drinking them). Lauren is not going to do that (unless she is pledging). What she bought is a category of laptop that is not intended to be portable. It is in fact a minature desktop. For this class of computer Apple has a better idea and it is the 20-inch iMac. If Lauren wanted to use a notebook in class the laptop she bought will not fit well on a typical classroom desk. And she would soon tire of carrying around a bulky 8-pound box. The iMac with the 13-inch screen would have been an ideal size for class and since it weighs less than 1 six pack it would not have been difficult to carry. Nope. Lauren made a big mistake. We have been played. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and requirements is fundamentally unrealistic. The real world does not organize itself according to our wishes. If she's even thinking of buying a Mac [which from context it's clear that she's NOT] she needs to look at Macs overall--quality, price, everything. If price is the only criterion, well, that's her choice; but if she wants a Mac at an unrealistically low price--well, that's just wishful thinking. Cubic zirconia isn't fake anything; it's real cubic zirconia, and a lot of fun. And an HP isn't a fake computer, but then a Tata Nano isn't a fake car, either. It's just not the same as a Toyota or a Honda, for which one can expect to pay a bit more. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip before she's even started. It's like saying, I want a flawless one-carat stone, but I require that the ring should cost no more than $100. Guess what? You're getting cubic zirconia! Constance, wanting a laptop for under $1,000 is neither unreasonable nor impossible. The parts of the real world that are unable to meet her requirements are not computer stores but Apple stores. As to cubic zirconia, the analogy doesn't hold because, your personal opinion of it notwithstanding, her HP is not a fake computer. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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For this class of computer Apple has a better idea and it is the 20-inch iMac. Jeff is right, this whole thing is too funny for words. The idea of carting a 20 iMac to class or Starbucks, along with the 20-foot orange extension cord required to plug it in somewhere, well, stop it, you're killing me. I should be paying for this, it's better than Seinfeld. The only thing I can think of that might be funnier would be to watch her trying to set that thing up on her tray table on a Southwest flight to LAX. Talk about your reality distortion fields. You keep persisting with the it has to be brown argument. This is a false way to stack the deck. You keep persisting with the it has to be shiny argument. This is not only a false way to stack the deck, it leaves poor little Lauren with no computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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If Lady Shopright has only $1K to buy a computer with, and economy is her SOLE AND MAJOR consideration, she can get a refurb Mac laptop for less--probably a 17 to boot. When making a purchasing decision, there is always a balancing of factors. If Lady Shopright insists on 17, laptop instead of desktop, absolutely the latest model, all the bells and whistles, no compromises here, then she has probably priced herself out of the Mac market. The unrealistic--and ultimately deceptive--element in this little skit is that she ever SERIOUSLY considered a Mac in the first place. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and requirements is fundamentally unrealistic Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000. No amount of Mac is better fattens her wallet. McFans' protest notwithstanding, there is nothing unrealistic about this. Not everyone who needs a computer can afford McPrices. The cheapest 17 Apple portable isn't just out of her price range, it's *far* out of her price range. What is fundamentally unrealistic is McFans' apparent belief that it is foolish to limit what you buy on the basis of how much money you have. ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Obviously I'm not saying that I or anyone else should have ZERO criteria when shopping. What I am saying is that if you demand EVERYTHING you want at a totally unrealistic price, you're going to be disappointed. And as for money is no object: my first Mac laptop, for which I waited MANY years, was a used Clamshell with a total value of $25. I used it gratefully for years. My next laptop was another used one, with a slightly damaged screen. I didn't have the screen fixed--it would have cost far too much--but the computer did everything I needed, and I could even do graphics on it, since the screen blemish was slight. You don't have to be rich to afford a Mac. But to demand the LATEST model, 17 laptop, for a Wal-Mart discount price? THAT'S unrealistic. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:39 AM, mike wrote: Constance, when you go shopping are you saying you have ZERO criteria? NONE? You must be unbelievably rich. For the rest of us who have normal jobs, make normal amounts of money...money does have to come into play at some point. Not everyone can live with the 'money is no object' attitude some have on this list. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and requirements is fundamentally unrealistic. The real world does not organize itself according to our wishes. If she's even thinking of buying a Mac [which from context it's clear that she's NOT] she needs to look at Macs overall--quality, price, everything. If price is the only criterion, well, that's her choice; but if she wants a Mac at an unrealistically low price--well, that's just wishful thinking. Cubic zirconia isn't fake anything; it's real cubic zirconia, and a lot of fun. And an HP isn't a fake computer, but then a Tata Nano isn't a fake car, either. It's just not the same as a Toyota or a Honda, for which one can expect to pay a bit more. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip before she's even started. It's like saying, I want a flawless one-carat stone, but I require that the ring should cost no more than $100. Guess what? You're getting cubic zirconia! Constance, wanting a laptop for under $1,000 is neither unreasonable nor impossible. The parts of the real world that are unable to meet her requirements are not computer stores but Apple stores. As to cubic zirconia, the analogy doesn't hold because, your personal opinion of it notwithstanding, her HP is not a fake computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * ** *** ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** ** *** * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Now you get the point of the commercial! She couldn't seriously consider a Mac, as there were zero options, given her budget and requirements. She obviously didn't know that, else why would she have traveled to the Apple Store. So she must have learned that fact there, hence the short visit. That's the message MS is delivering in the commercial. Nothing deceptive about that. You may argue that MS stacked the deck by limiting her budget to $1000, or her need for a 17 screen, but many laptop shoppers want 17 and under $1000, preferably closer to $750. What would be deceptive would be if MS claims their OS is better than the Mac OSg. I am in no way defending MS, only the (il)logic in the arguments against this commercial. Constance Warner wrote: The unrealistic--and ultimately deceptive--element in this little skit is that she ever SERIOUSLY considered a Mac in the first place. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:34 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and requirements is fundamentally unrealistic Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000. No amount of Mac is better fattens her wallet. McFans' protest notwithstanding, there is nothing unrealistic about this. Not everyone who needs a computer can afford McPrices. The cheapest 17 Apple portable isn't just out of her price range, it's *far* out of her price range. What is fundamentally unrealistic is McFans' apparent belief that it is foolish to limit what you buy on the basis of how much money you have. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list. I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do you spend without a list versus with a list. When I go shopping for a car I have a budget and a needs list. (4 door, automatic (I like clutches but my wife dose not) power seats, power windows etc.) If I did not find a car within my budget I either revise my budget or I revise my needs list. Car dealers love folks like you because they can over sell a car to you because you will take what they tell you, you need. By the way I will not pay more for a foreign car just because it is foreign. It better give me a lot more for my buck than a domestic car or I am not buying it. I have owned a couple of foreign cars but European cars not Japanese. (I am not prejudiced as I realize that most American cars sold are multi national cars. I have just been bitten by repair facilities over charging for fixing foreign cars.) Price is at one point important, but at another point just part of the equation. The point of the Ad (it was not a documentary it is placed as an ad, that is like calling these paid advertisements on TV documentaries.) was that you could not buy a Mac Notebook for under $1,000.00. That was the main point they wanted to make. All sorts of assumptions have been made on what they were trying to say. But you know what they say about assumptions. :-) Stewart At 09:00 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote: I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and requirements is fundamentally unrealistic. The real world does not organize itself according to our wishes. If she's even thinking of buying a Mac [which from context it's clear that she's NOT] she needs to look at Macs overall--quality, price, everything. If price is the only criterion, well, that's her choice; but if she wants a Mac at an unrealistically low price--well, that's just wishful thinking. Cubic zirconia isn't fake anything; it's real cubic zirconia, and a lot of fun. And an HP isn't a fake computer, but then a Tata Nano isn't a fake car, either. It's just not the same as a Toyota or a Honda, for which one can expect to pay a bit more. --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Again, changing the facts won't win your argument. She got what she wanted, for the price she wanted...just because your irritated it wasn't a mac doesn't mean she didn't. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: You don't have to be rich to afford a Mac. But to demand the LATEST model, 17 laptop, for a Wal-Mart discount price? THAT'S unrealistic. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 10:39 AM, mike wrote: Constance, when you go shopping are you saying you have ZERO criteria? NONE? You must be unbelievably rich. For the rest of us who have normal jobs, make normal amounts of money...money does have to come into play at some point. Not everyone can live with the 'money is no object' attitude some have on this list. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Constance Warner cawar...@his.com wrote: I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and requirements is fundamentally unrealistic. The real world does not organize itself according to our wishes. If she's even thinking of buying a Mac [which from context it's clear that she's NOT] she needs to look at Macs overall--quality, price, everything. If price is the only criterion, well, that's her choice; but if she wants a Mac at an unrealistically low price--well, that's just wishful thinking. Cubic zirconia isn't fake anything; it's real cubic zirconia, and a lot of fun. And an HP isn't a fake computer, but then a Tata Nano isn't a fake car, either. It's just not the same as a Toyota or a Honda, for which one can expect to pay a bit more. --Constance Warner On Mar 30, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Chris Dunford wrote: Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip before she's even started. It's like saying, I want a flawless one-carat stone, but I require that the ring should cost no more than $100. Guess what? You're getting cubic zirconia! Constance, wanting a laptop for under $1,000 is neither unreasonable nor impossible. The parts of the real world that are unable to meet her requirements are not computer stores but Apple stores. As to cubic zirconia, the analogy doesn't hold because, your personal opinion of it notwithstanding, her HP is not a fake computer. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Constance I can go to Wal-Marts site right now and buy a Dell Studio 17 laptop which is their latest model and available for under $1K. And yes I do know Dells and own three of them right now. I have found them to be virtually problem free. Stewart At 11:23 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote: You don't have to be rich to afford a Mac. But to demand the LATEST model, 17 laptop, for a Wal-Mart discount price? THAT'S unrealistic. --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Speaking only for myself I start with a list of: 1. What capabilities I need. 2. What capabilities I want. 3. What capabilities would be nice. Then I figure out what it costs to get first 1, then to add on 2, then to add on 3. Only at that point do I decide what I am willing to spend to get those things and if there is a match. New vs. used is way down near the bottom of 3. I would say that in the MS add, *NEW* and *SHINY* were at the top of the list. Matthew On Mar 30, 2009, at 2:02 PM, Rev. Stewart Marshall wrote: Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list. I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do you spend without a list versus with a list. When I go shopping for a car I have a budget and a needs list. (4 door, automatic (I like clutches but my wife dose not) power seats, power windows etc.) If I did not find a car within my budget I either revise my budget or I revise my needs list. Car dealers love folks like you because they can over sell a car to you because you will take what they tell you, you need. By the way I will not pay more for a foreign car just because it is foreign. It better give me a lot more for my buck than a domestic car or I am not buying it. I have owned a couple of foreign cars but European cars not Japanese. (I am not prejudiced as I realize that most American cars sold are multi national cars. I have just been bitten by repair facilities over charging for fixing foreign cars.) Price is at one point important, but at another point just part of the equation. The point of the Ad (it was not a documentary it is placed as an ad, that is like calling these paid advertisements on TV documentaries.) was that you could not buy a Mac Notebook for under $1,000.00. That was the main point they wanted to make. All sorts of assumptions have been made on what they were trying to say. But you know what they say about assumptions. :-) Stewart At 09:00 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote: I still say, that going shopping with preconceived notions and requirements is fundamentally unrealistic. The real world does not organize itself according to our wishes. If she's even thinking of buying a Mac [which from context it's clear that she's NOT] she needs to look at Macs overall--quality, price, everything. If price is the only criterion, well, that's her choice; but if she wants a Mac at an unrealistically low price--well, that's just wishful thinking. Cubic zirconia isn't fake anything; it's real cubic zirconia, and a lot of fun. And an HP isn't a fake computer, but then a Tata Nano isn't a fake car, either. It's just not the same as a Toyota or a Honda, for which one can expect to pay a bit more. --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Rev...they aren't *macs*, they are crap...bottom feeder hardware..oh wait I mean scum sucking bottom feeder hardware. At least to our friends on the other side. On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Rev. Stewart Marshall popoz...@earthlink.net wrote: Constance I can go to Wal-Marts site right now and buy a Dell Studio 17 laptop which is their latest model and available for under $1K. And yes I do know Dells and own three of them right now. I have found them to be virtually problem free. Stewart At 11:23 AM 3/30/2009, you wrote: You don't have to be rich to afford a Mac. But to demand the LATEST model, 17 laptop, for a Wal-Mart discount price? THAT'S unrealistic. --Constance Warner Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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:-) Stewart At 02:19 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote: Rev...they aren't *macs*, they are crap...bottom feeder hardware..oh wait I mean scum sucking bottom feeder hardware. At least to our friends on the other side. Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Speaking only for myself I start with a list of: 1. What capabilities I need. 2. What capabilities I want. 3. What capabilities would be nice. That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a laptop. You start with capabilities and needs. You say I need a small, light computer I can carry around. Then when you are presented with an 8-pound laptop you say No, no, no. Or you say I need a compact one-piece computer that won't clutter my house with computer hardware. For that need an 8-pound laptop may be just fine. The 20-inch iMac would also be fine. My point is that saying it must be a laptop makes as much sense as saying your MP3 player must be brown. It artificially limits your choices and causes you to buy the wrong thing. P.S. Today Apple's online store is offering a 20-inch iMac on clearence for $999. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list. I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do you spend without a list versus with a list. Do you go shopping for a steak dinner with a $2 budget, buy salt and pepper, then expect the steak to show up on its own? Without considering the total cost you are being very unrealistic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Or you say I need a compact one-piece computer that won't clutter my house with computer hardware. For that need an 8-pound laptop may be just fine. The 20-inch iMac would also be fine. My point is that saying it must be a laptop makes as much sense as saying your MP3 player must be brown. It artificially limits your choices and causes you to buy the wrong thing. Dance, monkey boy, dance. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Now you get the point of the commercial! She couldn't seriously consider a Mac, as there were zero options, given her budget and requirements. Now you don't get the point. The requirements were artificially contrived to exclude a very good and appropriate computer that Apple does make that competes with the 8-pound laptop. The Apple offering even comes with a bigger screen and a full set of software. The $999 20-inch iMac is what she should have bought. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list. I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do you spend without a list versus with a list. When I go shopping for a car I have a budget and a needs list. (4 door, automatic (I like clutches but my wife dose not) power seats, power windows etc.)... I also have a strict budget and a list or two. I also prefer to buy high quality products that perform well and will last. That's why I'll buy an expensive tailored coat instead of one that's produced with style but without careful attention to detail and quality. Same for transportation, home, and computers. The 24 iMac was too expensive for my budget so I saved up until I could pay cash. Same for our new car. Same for the MacBook. I'm happy that I bought the used G5 for my husband, too. I don't buy things that I can't afford. I'm patient. I can wait to buy quality, even when I know it costs more than the other brands. It's worth it for TCO. I'm worth it. Why do we have 3 PCs--two notebooks, one desktop? #1-Free after rebates, #2-$50 after discount and rebates, #3-free 3-year-old discard. They have their uses, but are secondary. Betty * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000. 20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home page. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Can walk into a store and buy it off the shelf? Donna In a message dated 3/30/2009 8:43:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, t...@tjpa.com writes: Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000. 20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home page. **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yeah it is called chopped steak! Stewart At 07:23 PM 3/30/2009, you wrote: Constance I am not sure how you shop but I shop with a budget and a list. I have a preconceived idea of what I need and want before I go shopping. Ever go to a grocery store without a list? How much do you spend without a list versus with a list. Do you go shopping for a steak dinner with a $2 budget, buy salt and pepper, then expect the steak to show up on its own? Without considering the total cost you are being very unrealistic. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000. 20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home page. You really just don't seem to get that you can't take your iMac to class or on a plane, do you? Is it THAT difficult a concept? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 02:05:09 -0400, Constance Warner wrote: Well, if she started out her quest [for a laptop] with a set of inflexible requirements that the real world might not be able to meet--including parts of the real world like computer stores--she's limited her options and determined the outcome of her shopping trip before she's even started. Okay, really. It's a *Microsoft* commercial. It may not be very good, and she could have bought a better computer, but if she actually *bought* a Mac, it would make the Seinfeld/Gates commercial look like shear genius! Why do the cool people think it should have any other outcome. Now, if Apple wants to run a commercial where someone is looking for a PC and is sold on the Mac's features and buys one. . .fine! It's really unrealistic to expect Microsoft to pay for an Apple commercial. -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Speaking only for myself I start with a list of: 1. What capabilities I need. 2. What capabilities I want. 3. What capabilities would be nice. That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a laptop. You start with capabilities and needs. Yes, and if your needs include taking your computer to class or on the road, the very first conclusion one might reach is iMac is not the solution. Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides: - I need to take my computer to class. - I need a decent-size screen and a real keyboard. - I can afford $1,000 and no more. Less would be real nice. We're all waiting. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mar 30, 2009, at 9:33 PM, Chris Dunford wrote: Speaking only for myself I start with a list of: 1. What capabilities I need. 2. What capabilities I want. 3. What capabilities would be nice. That is exactly the point. You don't start off saying I need a laptop. You start with capabilities and needs. Yes, and if your needs include taking your computer to class or on the road, the very first conclusion one might reach is iMac is not the solution. Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides: - I need to take my computer to class. Refurbished Macbook - $849 - I need a decent-size screen and a real keyboard. Not in class you don't. At home you use a real keyboard and any of a number of inexpensive flat panel monitors. - I can afford $1,000 and no more. Less would be real nice. We're all waiting. There you go - you get a solid reliable highly portable machine, and at home you have an even larger screen and a full keyboard. Matthew * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http:// www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tom, read the subject line! Tom Piwowar wrote: Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000. 20-inch iMac is $999 at the Apple Online Store today. Right on the home page. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Mon, 30 Mar 2009 22:46:08 -0400, Chris Dunford wrote: Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides: You forgot to insist that it must be brown. What a silly, meaningless response this is. I have this image of Tom sitting at home being deliberately obtuse, seeing how much shit he can stir up on this list. It's really not worth it to play his games. -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Now, if Apple wants to run a commercial where someone is looking for a PC and is sold on the Mac's features and buys one. . .fine! It's really unrealistic to expect Microsoft to pay for an Apple commercial. I don't expect them to. I do expect them to make a better case for getting a PC. What is so much fun about this commercial is the huge number of things that are wrong with it. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Can walk into a store and buy it off the shelf? Don't try this at Giant or Safeway. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You really just don't seem to get that you can't take your iMac to class or on a plane, do you? Is it THAT difficult a concept? You really just don't seem to get that carrying around an 8-pound big and bulky is a misery. Even more miserable than using Vista. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Yeah it is called chopped steak! Extra Value Meal? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Please point out what solution to this set of needs Apple provides: You forgot to insist that it must be brown. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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She wanted a LAPTOP!!! Do you not understand that some people need a machine they can use in the classroom, or on a plane, or working from their hotel room when traveling. Surely you are not ignorant of the many reasons for the use of a laptop. Why do you repeated tell her she can't have one? Tom Piwowar wrote: Now you get the point of the commercial! She couldn't seriously consider a Mac, as there were zero options, given her budget and requirements. Now you don't get the point. The requirements were artificially contrived to exclude a very good and appropriate computer that Apple does make that competes with the 8-pound laptop. The Apple offering even comes with a bigger screen and a full set of software. The $999 20-inch iMac is what she should have bought. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Constance, if she only has $1,000, she only has $1,000. Since Microsoft bought the computer for her she now has $1000 and a computer. This guy will GIVE her a 17 screen G4 Macbook. http://i.gizmodo.com/5187031/lauren-we-have-someone-whod-like-to-talk-to-you If she sells the one Microsoft bought her for $400, she now has $1400 and a G4 Macbook. Not too shabby. She could put the $1400 in a Roth IRA. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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We aren't going to debate the intelligence of actors are we? On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:09:57 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote: She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice there for less than $1K. She probably knew that going in. -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Isn't that an Oxy Moron? Stewart At 01:38 AM 3/29/2009, you wrote: We aren't going to debate the intelligence of actors are we? On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM, katan ka...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:09:57 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote: She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice there for less than $1K. She probably knew that going in. -- R:\katan Rev. Stewart A. Marshall mailto:popoz...@earthlink.net Prince of Peace www.princeofpeaceozark.org Ozark, AL SL 82 * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice there for less than $1K. She probably knew that going in. Then why did she go there? The buying habits of WFBs are mighty strange. If you want to buy groceries do you go to a dentist's office? I suppose that with such poor life skills it is no wonder that such people buy Vista. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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No they go to AJ's and realize they can get the same crap for less at Safeway. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 8:01 AM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice there for less than $1K. She probably knew that going in. Then why did she go there? The buying habits of WFBs are mighty strange. If you want to buy groceries do you go to a dentist's office? I suppose that with such poor life skills it is no wonder that such people buy Vista. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 18:53:18 -0400, Eric S. Sande wrote: ...without any real comment on the phenomena of the worlds largest software maker feeling the need to advertise a third party product (an HP computer I believe in this case) Product placement. Any Apple ad is about hardware, the box is what they sell, not the OS. Windows is worthless without hardware and it makes no diff what it runs on. Presumably HP outbid Dell or Eric's Homebuilt Computers for the slot (I wasn't asked). And she clearly went to Best Buy to get it. Good ting she didn't waste her money at Circuit City. (-: -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:26:12 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote: Perhaps you may have been hoodwinked? This shopper was an actress (a real one: member of the Screen Actors Guild http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_12003603), not a real shopper. We will probably never know how much of the dialog was improv vs. scripted. I'm sure MS has enrolled Lauren in the Witness Protection Program. Yeah, and. . .? Nowhere in the commercial do they claim she's not an actress. I'll bet Mr. Whipple didn't really run a grocery store (although I'm pretty sure he *did* have a thing for the Charmin). If Lauren's experience at the Apple Store was like most, she was probably treated very well. The customer service at the Apple Stores is amazing. Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A laptop with a 17' monitor for less than $1K -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Safeway?? They should be going to Giant where it is cheaper still. And Wegman's is yet cheaper (and way better). Actually I get some food stuffs at Target which is half Giant. Yes, but it's difficult to find truffle butter at Target. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Chris Dunford ch...@covesoftware.comwrote: Safeway?? They should be going to Giant where it is cheaper still. And Wegman's is yet cheaper (and way better). Wegman's is hit or miss for me. If it is on sale it's cheaper but for many things it is more. Actually I get some food stuffs at Target which is half Giant. Yes, but it's difficult to find truffle butter at Target. Eh way too high end. I just need my Newman's marinara -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A laptop with a 17' monitor for less than $1K She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by flashing her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling. And the Mac comes with a great suite of software that is an extra cost with the PC. A real unbiased person would have bought the Mac. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by flashing her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling. You seem to be confused Thomas, so let me help. A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for mobile use small enough to sit on one's lap.[1] A laptop includes most of the typical components of a desktop computer, including a display, a keyboard, a pointing device (a touchpad, also known as a trackpad, or a pointing stick), speakers, as well as a battery, into a single small and light unit. The rechargeable battery required is charged from an AC/DC adapter (ie, a wall wart) and typically stores enough energy to run the laptop for several hours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laptop A real unbiased person would have bought the Mac. A real unbiased person wouldn't have amped up the silliness to the levels that you have. I hope that Microsoft makes many, many more of these commercials. This is simply too delightful. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Unbiased like...you? You *are* funny. Lugging around a 20 iMac would be great! Where is that handle?... On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A laptop with a 17' monitor for less than $1K She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by flashing her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling. And the Mac comes with a great suite of software that is an extra cost with the PC. A real unbiased person would have bought the Mac. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sun, 29 Mar 2009 15:37:28 -0400, Tom Piwowar wrote: She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by flashing her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling. And the Mac comes with a great suite of software that is an extra cost with the PC. A real unbiased person would have bought the Mac. You've sold me! One thing though: What's the battery life on that? -- R:\katan Tea. . .Earl Grey. . .Hot * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Fine. But they still wouldn't sell her what she wanted. A laptop with a 17' monitor for less than $1K She could have bought an iMac with a 20-inch screen for $1099 by flashing her college ID. That is so close that the difference is mere quibbling. Just won't give up, eh? You seem to always omit one of her requirements, accidentally I am sure. She specified a laptop. Last I checked, iMac was a desktop. Not very convenient for carrying to her busboy classes at the community college. Not to mention that even at $1099 it's $400 more than what she eventually bought. Hardly mere quibbling. Can you get a 17 laptop from Apple for $1000? Yes or no? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Unbiased like...you? You *are* funny. Here I sit with a Mac and a PC side by side like cats and dogs. I am highly proficient with both. Can you say the same? * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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You've sold me! One thing though: What's the battery life on that? Let's be real here. Most laptops are never disconnected from the mains. This causes their batteries to rot so portable use is precluded. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Just because you don't move your portable doesn't mean no one does. I've got four close friends who live their lives from their laptops, 3 of them don't even have desktop units at home, the laptop goes everywhere. Two of those guys are mac guys. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: You've sold me! One thing though: What's the battery life on that? Let's be real here. Most laptops are never disconnected from the mains. This causes their batteries to rot so portable use is precluded. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for mobile use small enough to sit on one's lap. And MP3 players must be brown. People buy PC laptops because PC desktops are so dorky. Apple provides MORE CHOICES. A different class of machine that is both cool and not expensive. MS artificially excluded this entire class of computer and then foisted off the lie that Lauren had more choices. Such BS. She should have bought the 20-inch iMac. Friday evening I saw a woman with one on the Metro (no it was not turned on). * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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A laptop (also known as a notebook) is a personal computer designed for mobile use small enough to sit on one's lap. And MP3 players must be brown. An unusually bizarre comment, even for you. You are saying that laptops do NOT have to be small enough to sit on one's lap? People buy PC laptops because PC desktops are so dorky. Apple provides MORE CHOICES. A different class of machine that is both cool and not expensive. MS artificially excluded this entire class of computer and then foisted off the lie that Lauren had more choices. Such BS. She should have bought the 20-inch iMac. Friday evening I saw a woman with one on the Metro (no it was not turned on). Speaking of things artificial, I'd love to see all those smart, discriminating students who take notes in class on their 20 iMacs. I hope all the classrooms have plenty of outlets. And extension cords for all. Since you decline to answer the yes or no? question that has been posed more than once, we're all going to take this apparent suggestion that people take desktops to class as a tacit admission that $1,000 big screen Apple notebooks do not exist. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Just won't give up, eh? You seem to always omit one of her requirements, accidentally I am sure. She specified a laptop. Last I checked, iMac was a desktop. Not very convenient for carrying to her busboy classes at the community college. Next you'll have her running around town looking for an MP3 player, but it has to be old and *brown.* Not to mention that even at $1099 it's $400 more than what she eventually bought. Hardly mere quibbling. $400 more if she can get her work done with NO SOFTWARE! Of course WFBs will only want to fiddle with the buggy OS and never get to the point where they need software to get real work done. Tell the truth. A real person would have bought the iMac with a much larger 20-inch screen and the software needed to get work done. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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And some people wonder why mac users are thought of as elitist snobs. On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Tell the truth. A real person would have bought the iMac with a much larger 20-inch screen and the software needed to get work done. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Tell the truth. A real person would have bought the iMac with a much larger 20-inch screen and the software needed to get work done. Tell the truth. You're unable to admit that real people might want or need a laptop because that would require you to finally answer the question, which you simply cannot bring yourself to do. You've pointedly refused to notice that you can't take your fab iMac to class, to Starbucks, or on Metro. Well, I guess you can, if all you want to do is wave it around, hoping that people will admire your shiny (though unusable) machine, and whisper to each other about your wealth of common sense. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I can't believe this has gone on so long. This was a dumb ad, based on the thinnest of premises, designed to lure the simplest of sheeple. katan wrote: She wanted a Mac? In a *Microsoft* commercial? I believe the point of her going to an Apple store was to show that there isn't much choice there for less than $1K. She probably knew that going in. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:02 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Ya got an url for those mythical beasts, cheapest mac I've seen around there was the 599 mac mini... On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Hey, guys. You don't need to exaggerate to make your point. BTW, if you really believe that a BASIC Mac costs 2 K, then your idea of basic is very different from mine. [To be boringly factual, you can do well for a lot less.] I just bought several new Macs from Apple's online store for $499 each. They are very nice computers. They have some mac mini's in the clearance bin for $499. The clearance and refurb pages are where to find good values at the online apple store. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB138LL/A?mco=Mjk1NDIxOQ -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ah, he said new...spose those are the 'new' old models. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:04 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 10:02 PM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Ya got an url for those mythical beasts, cheapest mac I've seen around there was the 599 mac mini... On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Tom Piwowar t...@tjpa.com wrote: Hey, guys. You don't need to exaggerate to make your point. BTW, if you really believe that a BASIC Mac costs 2 K, then your idea of basic is very different from mine. [To be boringly factual, you can do well for a lot less.] I just bought several new Macs from Apple's online store for $499 each. They are very nice computers. They have some mac mini's in the clearance bin for $499. The clearance and refurb pages are where to find good values at the online apple store. http://store.apple.com/us/product/MB138LL/A?mco=Mjk1NDIxOQ -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:45 PM, betty b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: I looked at the video. Lauren didn't go into the Apple Store at all. She walked to the door, turned around and walked away. Same guy is walking past in both scenes. An astute observation. You are absolutely correct. The ad agency did some editing to make it appear as though she entered the store, but failed to notice that in their attempt to deceive the viewer, they deceived themselves instead. I wonder if this Lauren was and always has been a Windows user in the first place? An office manager? Sounds like Windows to me! Obviously she has never had a Macintosh, and did not even like or appreciate Macs. She proved that by her comments about not being cool enough. Looks to me as though folks who desired a Windows machine to begin with were tapped to pose as laptop shoppers for these ads. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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She's an actress...it's...um...fake. It's not real. It's just an advert :) It's kinda like justin long isn't *really* a mac...he's actually a human being POSING as a mac. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 6:47 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 9:45 PM, betty b1sun...@yahoo.es wrote: Looks to me as though folks who desired a Windows machine to begin with were tapped to pose as laptop shoppers for these ads. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:42 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, he said new...spose those are the 'new' old models. Well new to him. The refurbs are even cheaper. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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I could see maybe getting one if it was 250 or 299... On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:33 AM, John Duncan Yoyo johnduncany...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 9:42 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, he said new...spose those are the 'new' old models. Well new to him. The refurbs are even cheaper. -- John Duncan Yoyo ---o) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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An astute observation. You are absolutely correct. The ad agency did some editing to make it appear as though she entered the store, but failed to notice that in their attempt to deceive the viewer, they deceived themselves instead. For heavens' sake, everyone, this isn't a documentary, it's a TELEVISION COMMERCIAL. There's nothing here that TV ads haven't been doing for fifty years. It may surprise y'all to learn that the Mac girl didn't actually hurl a sledgehammer into a giant screen in 1984, that MS didn't actually spend ALL of its money on marketing Vista rather than improving it, and that John Hodgman doesn't actually hide in a pizza box to trap unwary college students. The basic fact it presents WRT Mac appears to be accurate. Can you walk into an Apple store and walk out with a big screen laptop for $1,000, or not? (Anyway, the video is inconclusive as to whether or not Lovely Lauren went into the Mac store. Is it possible that Balding Guy walked into AND OUT OF the Mac store at the same time as Lauren? Yes or no? Maybe he's a stalker or an O'Reilly producer.) * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
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Ah, he said new...spose those are the 'new' old models. Well new to him. The refurbs are even cheaper. But irrelevant to the ads, of course, as all must agree. A Mac Mini is not a big screen laptop. Lauren can't haul it back and forth to her busboy classes at the community college. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:14 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: She's an actress...it's...um...fake. It's not real. It's just an advert :) It's kinda like justin long isn't *really* a mac...he's actually a human being POSING as a mac. Well, in the ad she says she went into the store and looked at the Mac. Clearly she did not go into the store and look at the Mac. Justin Long is obviously not a Macintosh computer. As you said, he is merely posing as a Mac. No obvious deception there as opposed to the MS ad. FWIW, ads are not SUPPOSED to be intentionally deceptive. There are even laws that apply to that. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters
Blah...the bald guy was just wandering around out front...took me about 22 seconds last time I was in an apple store to see I didn't want to spend 2k on a laptop...and literally another 1.2 minutes to buy my new ipod nano. On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 7:55 AM, phartz...@gmail.com phartz...@gmail.comwrote: On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 10:14 AM, mike xha...@gmail.com wrote: She's an actress...it's...um...fake. It's not real. It's just an advert :) It's kinda like justin long isn't *really* a mac...he's actually a human being POSING as a mac. Well, in the ad she says she went into the store and looked at the Mac. Clearly she did not go into the store and look at the Mac. Justin Long is obviously not a Macintosh computer. As you said, he is merely posing as a Mac. No obvious deception there as opposed to the MS ad. FWIW, ads are not SUPPOSED to be intentionally deceptive. There are even laws that apply to that. Steve * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** * * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
Re: [CGUYS] Laptop Hunters - and Silverlight
How is Silverlight BETTER than Flash or MPEG that both work on almost all computers? It's from Microsoft (I thought you knew that). That makes it is obviously better. It is also better because it won't have all the incompatability problems that the other products will soon have. * ** List info, subscription management, list rules, archives, privacy ** ** policy, calmness, a member map, and more at http://www.cguys.org/ ** *
