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[] [<../header_short.gif>] January 20
- 26, 1999Nat Hentoff
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[]
[] Clinton's Message to Women
[]  Kathleen Willey: "How are your
children? Don't you get the message?" ()  'Clinton ripped [Jane Doe No.
5's] clothes and bit her lip'[]
Participating in December's Emergency Speakout Against Impeachment at NYU
were some of this area's prominent intellectuals and moral
philosophers—among them, Arthur Schlesigner Jr., Toni Morrison, Eli Wiesel,
Gloria Steinem, and Jerold Nadler who, alas, is my congressman. There were
spiraling cries of "sexual McCarthyism" and "coup d'état!"
And in the January 10 New York Times, Gerold Lefcourt, a Clinton advocate,
states baldly that Clinton's defense witnesses have been intimidated. Let's
see who has been intimidated.
Lefcourt, a prominent attorney, ignores the series of women who have been
threatened by Clinton and his agents to keep their silence about his
exercising his droit du seigneur on their bodies.
It is this relentless obstruction of justice that I began to detail last
week. Also on the list of Clinton's throwaway women who should have been
placed in the federal Witness Protection Program is Elizabeth Ward Gracen,
Arkansas's former Miss America, who had a brief bout of intimacy with
Clinton in 1983. During the 1992 presidential campaign she received calls
to keep quiet about it—or else.
But just in case she faltered—as the Wall Street Journal Europe (October
27, 1998)
reported—her agent met with Clinton buddy Harry Tomason and Clinton advisor
Mickey Kantor and "worked out some kind of deal." She would deny any
relationship with Clinton and her career would benefit.
She obeyed, but when she was subpoenaed in the Paula Jones case, the
threatening calls resumed. She has told The Toronto Sun, according to The
Washington Times: "I think Clinton is a very dangerous manipulative man.
There was a lot of pressure on my family and friends, people who were being
staked out."
Moving on, the Wall Street Journal Europe reveals the post–60 Minutes
ordeal of Kathleen Willey.
Two days before she was scheduled to testify in the Paula Jones case, "A
man in a jogging suit approached her while she was out for a walk near her
Virginia home. He asked about a missing family pet [her cat]. The jogger
mentioned Willey's children by name. 'Don't you get the message?' he asked
her."
Dolly Kyle Browning, another former Clinton bonbon, and now a Texas real
estate attorney, has filed a defamation suit against William Jefferson
Clinton and, among his retainers, Bruce Lindsey.
In her court papers, Browning tells of an extramarital sexual relationship
with Clinton from the mid 1970s to "sometime before January 1992," when
Clinton was eyeing the prize of the presidency.
In January of that year, The Star, a tabloid weekly, was about to print a
story about that idyll. Browning refused to be interviewed, but Clinton was
taking no chances.
In her complaint in the lawsuit, she says that her own brother, Walter
Kyle, acting on behalf of—or at the direction of—

[CTRL] Missing Witness

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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hello all,

Does any have any information on the specific witness who were "missing"
and unable to testify in various hearings:  Chinagate, filegate,
Whitewater, etc?

Thanks,

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Drum Beats in the Night

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Prudy wrote:

> Some of us Democrats are, and we'd like the travesty of a trial to go on
for
> months, and we want a group of witnesses called, and cross examined.
> Something does not become truth because it is taped during a telephone
call.
> Of course I don't really care about Clinton.  He might as well be a
Republican
> anyway.  Probably Gore is too.  I want to see the Republicans continue
making
> fools of themselves, until finally the American people see how stupid
they are
> and boot enough of them out of office to let the Democrats regain control
of
> the house and senate.  That's the real goal.

Hiya Prudy,

I would hope the real goal is too clean up the corruption in all parties
and not to emphasize which "party" is put into power, but rather which
"views" are supported (IMHO).

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Drum Beats in the Night

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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--
> From: Prudence L. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Drum Beats in the Night
> Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 10:53 AM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 1/30/99 12:28:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> << I would hope the real goal is too clean up the corruption in all
parties
>  and not to emphasize which "party" is put into power, but rather which
>  "views" are supported (IMHO).
>
>  Hilary >>
>
> Well that sounds nice, but by the time the parties are "sanitized," there
> won't be a decent breath of air left, the water will all be on the verge
of
> catching fire, most of the animal life (on land and sea) will have
starved to
> death, and we'll be on the verge of getting along on "soylent green."
Give me
> a Democrat controlled congress where they don't rush quite so fast to pay
back
> their corporate handlers.  Prudy

Hiya Prudy,

Well, let's just throw our hands up and cry, "Uncle." :)  Just because the
battle is a difficult one doesn't necessarily mean that it is an impossible
task.  It's a defeatist argument and unworthy of your fiery nature! :)

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Drum Beats in the Night

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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--
> From: Prudence L. Kuhn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Drum Beats in the Night
> Date: Saturday, January 30, 1999 11:41 AM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 1/30/99 1:33:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> <<
>  Well, let's just throw our hands up and cry, "Uncle." :)  Just because
the
>  battle is a difficult one doesn't necessarily mean that it is an
impossible
>  task.  It's a defeatist argument and unworthy of your fiery nature! : >>
>
> We don't really need to cry "Uncle," we just need to get all hot and
bothered
> because the president might have indulged in a sex act (oh, I keep
forgetting,
> it's
> not about sex), and we can build a mighty smoke screen behind which the
> Congress can do unspeakable things to the environment and which will
please
> their corporate contributors no end.  Prudy

Okay Prudy, now you're sidetracking.  You can choose to get all hot and
bothered and fume or to do something constructive about it.  It's a choice
for all of us.

The question on the table is:  Despite overwhelming odds, do we as
individuals and as a people make the choice to be the watchdogs of our
government and keep it on The Constitutional Track that the framers
outlined?  Obviously, the details of how to do this will have an explosion
of varying opinions!

The bottom line is WE have a responsibility here beyond complaining -
though that is A LOT of fun!  I'm not talking about over throwing the
government.  I'm talking about exercising our individual and collective
voices.  *waving* the flag.

Hilary

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[CTRL] Court Room Funnies - These are Great!

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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From: "C. L Finkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



>
>Disorder in the Court:  a Collection of 'Transquips' Collected by
>Richard Lederer, reprinted in N.H.  Business Review
>
>Most language is spoken language, and most words, once they are
>uttered, vanish forever into the air.  But such is not the case with
>language spoken during courtroom trials, for there exists an army of
>courtroom reporters whose job it is to take down and preserve every
>statement made during the proceedings.
>
>Mary Louise Gilman, the venerable editor of the National Shorthand
>Reporter has collected many of the more hilarious courtroom bloopers in
>two books - Humor in the Court (1977) and More Humor in the Court,
>published a few months ago.  From Mrs.  Gilman's two volumes, here are
>some of my favorite transquips, all recorded by America's keepers of
>the word:
>
>
>
>
>Q.  What is your brother-in-law's name?
>
>A.  Borofkin.
>
>Q.  What's his first name?
>
>A.  I can't remember.
>
>Q.  He's been your brother-in-law for years, and you can't remember his
>first name?
>
>A.  No.  I tell you I'm too excited.  (Rising from the witness chair
>and pointing to Mr.  Borofkin.)  Nathan, for God's sake, tell them your
>first name!
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Did you ever stay all night with this man in New York?
>
>A.  I refuse to answer that question.
>
>Q.  Did you ever stay all night with this man in Chicago?
>
>A.  I refuse to answer that question.
>
>Q.  Did you ever stay all night with this man in Miami?
>
>A.  No.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Now, Mrs.  Johnson, how was your first marriage terminated?
>
>A.  By death.
>
>Q.  And by whose death was it terminated?
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Doctor, did you say he was shot in the woods?
>
>A.  No, I said he was shot in the lumbar region.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  What is your name?
>
>A.  Ernestine McDowell.
>
>Q.  And what is your marital status?
>
>A.  Fair.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Are you married?
>
>A.  No, I'm divorced.
>
>Q.  And what did your husband do before you divorced him?
>
>A.  A lot of things I didn't know about.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  And who is this person you are speaking of?
>
>A.  My ex-widow said it.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  How did you happen to go to Dr.  Cherney?
>
>A.  Well, a gal down the road had had several of her children by Dr.
>Cherney, and said he was really good.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Do you know how far pregnant you are right now?
>
>A.  I will be three months November 8th.
>
>Q.  Apparently then, the date of conception was August 8th?
>
>A.  Yes.
>
>Q.  What were you and your husband doing at that time?
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Mrs.  Smith, do you believe that you are emotionally unstable?
>
>A.  I should be.
>
>Q.  How many times have you committed suicide?
>
>A.  Four times.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Doctor, how many autopsies have you performed on dead people?
>
>A.  All my autopsies have been performed on dead people.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Were you acquainted with the defendant?
>
>A.  Yes, sir.
>
>Q.  Before or after he died?
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Officer, what led you to believe the defendant was under the
>influence?
>
>A.  Because he was argumentary and he couldn't pronunciate his words.
>
>Q.  What happened then?
>
>A.  He told me, he says, "I have to kill you because you can identify
>me."
>
>Q.  Did he kill you?
>

>A.  No.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Mrs.  Jones, is your appearance this morning pursuant to a
>deposition notice which I sent to your attorney?
>
>A.  No.  This is how I dress when I go to work.
>
>
>
>
>THE COURT:  Now, as we begin, I must ask you to banish all present
>information and prejudice from your minds, if you have any.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  Did he pick the dog up by the ears?
>
>A.  No.
>
>Q.  What was he doing with the dog's ears?
>
>A.  Picking them up in the air.
>
>Q.  Where was the dog at this time?
>
>A.  Attached to the ears.
>
>
>
>
>Q.  When he went, had you gone and had she, if she wanted to and were
>able, for the time being excluding all the restraints on her not to go,
>gone also, would he have brought you, meaning you and she, with him to
>the station?

Re: [CTRL] Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly StupidShit?

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly
StupidShit?
> Date: Tuesday, July 13, 1999 4:54 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Hilary A. Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >
> > > >Should The U.S. Impose Limits On Incredibly Stupid Shit?
> > >
> > > I believe that a tax on stupidity --mandatory, not voluntary like
> > > the lottery-- would, almost instantly, pay off the national debt
> > > and provide a huge surplus for future generations.
> >
> > Now, would this be *surplus* as in the multi-trillion dollar surplus
> > the House is eager to spend or would this be the real McCoy?
>
> That depends on how stupid polticios and the public both actually
> are, and how stupid each thinks the other is.  Remember, 'freedom'
> includes the freedom to be an idiot; to maximize a tax on stupidity,
> gov't should actively ENCOURAGE idiocy, like maybe by subsidizing
> astrologers.

H...this statement would suggest that the gov't  ISN"T actively
encouraging idiocy, like maybe handing over to China ALL of our nuclear
goodies...

>Hey, there's a point of attack: the stupidity tax
> would apply to all products of the paranormal, NewAge, religion,
> gambling and videogame industries.  Don't just tax dumb behavior,
> impose a levee on products and services that only a moron would
> buy.  Most everything on QVC, for instance.  And UFOlogy...

Ah, but you forgot the biggie, er, like handing money over to the IRS with
every paycheck even though we are not legally obligated to do so.  Of
course, the IRS would then take everything so, there is some justification
for following the heard.  Moo...

Hilary

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[CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] The FBI and Flight 800 A Missile Expert Cries Cover-Up

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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--
> From: Hilary A. Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [InTheShadows] The FBI and Flight 800  A Missile Expert Cries
Cover-Up
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 10:37 AM
>
> From: "Hilary A. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> July 14 - 20, 1999
> The FBI and Flight 800  A Missile Expert Cries Cover-Up
> by robert davey
>
> The Flight 800 investigation, still at a loss to explain the tragedy, has
> the right stuff for a thrilling spy novel. Government flacks easily spin
> the lazy mainstream media to sedate the nervous public. Meanwhile, a band
> of military insiders heads for the Internet (http://twa800.com) and
reaches
> out to a few sympathetic independent journalists to convince readers that
> the truth is being hidden. For some reason—at this point only a fiction
> writer could provide one—many observers believe that the government is
> covering up the disaster's most likely explanation: it was a missile that
> three years ago this week, 10 miles south of Long Island, brought down
the
> Paris-bound 747, killing all 230 aboard.
>
> As the investigation's third anniversary passes, the mystery is
deepening.
> A few months ago, a retired army officer bearing impressive credentials
> approached the Voice as an intermediary for a missile expert with a story
> to tell. This expert is extremely fearful of losing his job—for more than
> 20 years he's been a military engineer who specializes in infrared
missile
> technology. Assured of anonymity, he submitted to lengthy interviews by
> telephone and e-mail, detailing why he believes the investigation of TWA
> Flight 800 is a cover-up.
>
> After spending more than $40 million on the investigation, the FBI and
the
> National Transportation Safety Board have not found a definitive answer
for
> why the center fuel tank exploded. Yet they have ruled out a missile as
the
> cause. The NTSB believes an undetermined system flaw produced an
electrical
> spark that ignited jet fuel vapors in the tank.
>
> Prior to the official embrace of this mechanical explanation, the missile
> expert was among several scientists invited by FBI agents to explore the
> missile theory. He was made privy to evidence suggesting that TWA 800
could
> have been shot down, consisting of eyewitness accounts of a "flare-like
> object" shooting skyward moments before the plane exploded. Later he
> examined the debris in the Calverton hangar.
>
> The missile expert has also been in contact with military labs where, he
> says, the chemists have been unable to make jet fuel vapor explode as the
> NTSB says it did in TWA 800's center fuel tank. "The labs told the NTSB
> there's a big problem—it can't happen." The NTSB wouldn't listen. He
says,
> "They were adamant that [the labs] had to find something."
>
> The evidence adds up, the missile expert believes, to a "70 percent
chance"
> that TWA 800 was downed by a shoulder-launched missile. Like others who
> have spoken to the Voice, the expert is exasperated with what he sees as
a
> corrupted investigation. Asked why he is speaking up now, he says, "I
> wanted someone to look at the truth, not whitewash it away."
>
> The missile expert says his unit was summoned by the FBI quite early in
the
> investigation and asked to review the eyewitness accounts and check out
the
> potential for a successful missile hit. "We talked to Ted Otto and Steve
> Bongardt"—two agents assigned by FBI assistant director James Kallstrom
to
> examine the missile theory. "We picked missiles and ran computer
> simulations and shipped the data to Bongardt," the Voice source says. The
> data showed that virtually any post–Vietnam era shoulder-launched missile
> would have had the range and infrared seeker capability to reach the
plane
> at 13,700 feet, he says.
>
> But it was the eyewitness accounts that most impressed the expert—the
> investigation has compiled more than 100 eyewitness interviews reporting
a
> streak of light ending in a flash or explosion, apparently contradicting
> the official scenario. "When we discussed this with the FBI, they said
some
> of these people were very credible," he recalls.
>
> "The most compelling account was from a female witness, as I remember,
who
> reported something with a small flame rising from the ocean trailing a
> faint smoke trail. The flame was reported to have burned out after about
> six or seven seconds with a puff that was seen when it hit the aircraft
at
> about 10 seconds. I can tell you that this testimony, if the recounting
is
> accurate, is about as precise as you can ge

[CTRL] Teletubbies from Space

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Muppets From Space
By Stephen Whitty
NEWHOUSE NEWS SERVICE

July 13 -  Those little Teletubbies can sit around and wait to be outed,
but
not the Great Gonzo. When he comes out of the closet, it's by choice. So
these days he's saying it loud and proud: He's an extraterrestrial.

"I DIDN'T CHOOSE to be one," he explains to a sympathetic Kermit.
"I've always had alien tendencies."  And with that revelation, "Muppets
From
Space" is pretty much off on a goofy, good-humored trek through identity
crises, show-biz cliches and the timeless love of a pig for a frog. Of
course there are complications as Gonzo searches for acceptance. Prying TV
news crews soon descend on the sleepy Muppet mansion. So, too, do the nuts
and flakes of the nation's UFO cults. And before long there are some real
Men in Black who want to spirit Gonzo away and take a peek at his brain.

   Can the Muppets survive? Quelle question! Never underestimate the
power of a few well-placed karate kicks from an enraged pig. A better
question, though, is: How has the world of kids' movies survived so long
without them?

   Although the Muppets haven't been absent from the screen for very
long (their last appearance was in 1996), their last few films have been
half-hearted pastiches, parodies of old stories like "A Christmas Carol"
and
"Treasure Island." The jokes were beginning to get a little labored and
hinted at a creative team running out of steam.

   "Muppets From Space," however, returns the funny, fuzzy crowd to a
contemporary setting. It adds a few medium-level guest stars (Andie
MacDowell proves herself to be a very good sport) and throws in an armful
of
entertainment references (there are nods to everything from "Independence
Day" to "Dawson's Creek"). Although the usual original musical numbers have
been replaced by some well-worn '70s funk, the mood of the old "The Muppet
Movie" and "The Muppets Take Manhattan" is back

   The new "Muppets From Space" misses some of the surprising star
power
of those early pictures (it'd be more of a shock if people like F. Murray
Abraham and Ray Liotta weren't in this). It's also missing some of those
movies' wild punning and crazy wordplay. Still, director Tim Hill, a
veteran
of TV's Nickelodeon, keeps things moving, and the Muppets consistently
deliver.

   There are some surprises, too. Kermit predictably remains the
gee-whiz Jimmy Stewart of the bunch, and Miss Piggy its temperamental diva.
But who would have thought Gonzo would step into his first starring role
with such surprising ease, and that Rizzo the Rat might provide such solid
comic support? Or that newcomer Pepe the Prawn would so nearly steal the
show from both?

   Not moi. So let the older sibs go see "The Phantom Menace" for their
11th time this week, if they have to. Let the gullible middle-schoolers get
hyped into seeing "Wild, Wild West." Take the younger ones to "Muppets From
Space" instead. They'll have a much better time. And so will you.



"Muppets from Space" opens Wednesday and is rated G



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[CTRL] Taliban refuses to extradite or expel Bin Laden from Afghanistan

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Taliban refuses to extradite or expel Bin Laden from Afghanistan
Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press
For more about Africa, visit Africa News Online.

CAIRO, Egypt (July 15, 1999 6:28 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) -
Afghanistan's fundamentalist Taliban movement will neither expel suspected
terrorist Osama Bin Laden from Afghanistan nor hand him over to the United
States, its spokesman was quoted as saying Thursday.

But Maulvi Wakil Muttawakil told the Arabic daily Ash Sharq Al-Awsat that
Bin Laden, who is in hiding in Afghanistan, is under strict surveillance by
Taliban intelligence "to be sure that he is not carrying out illegal acts."


"We will not initiate his extradition to any party and will not force him
to leave Afghanistan," Muttawakil said in an interview while on a visit to
the United Arab Emirates.

Washington has asked the Taliban to hand over or at least expel bin Laden
so that he can stand trial for his alleged role in last August's U.S.
embassy bombings in East Africa.

The Clinton Administration has imposed sanctions on the Taliban for
harboring bin Laden. The embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania killed 224
people, including 12 Americans.

Washington has also put bin Laden, a Saudi exile, on the FBI's 10 Most
Wanted List and offered a $5 million reward for information leading to his
arrest.

Muttawkil indicated that the Taliban government has withdrawn its earlier
offer to investigate bin Laden if Washington provides enough evidence
against him.

"We gave them the chance, but by offering the reward they closed that
door," he said
The Taliban religious army rules roughly 90 percent of Afghanistan and the
opposition, comprised of ethnic and religious minorities, controls the
remaining 10 percent. The two sides are fighting on several fronts in
northern Afghanistan.

Last year, the Taliban Supreme Court conducted an inquiry against bin Laden
and cleared him of all the charges because the United States did not
provide proof of his involvement in the African bombings.

http://www.nandotimes.com/global/story/0,1024,70613-111602-792198-0,00.html

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] The FBI and Flight 800 A MissileExpert Cries Cover-Up

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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> From: MJ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] The FBI and Flight 800  A
MissileExpert Cries Cover-Up
> Date: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 12:55 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Hmmm...
>
> What about a malfunctioned naval missile? (or a failed test exercise off
> coastal waters?) I am sure the military has plenty of countermeasures and
> procedural protocol to safeguard against this sort of thing, but couldnt
it
> be possible?

That this was an accident is plausible.  The point is the cover up.  The
second point is why.

Hilary

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[CTRL] The good old days :-(

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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 The good old days :-(


1945- Rifles were made of wood and steel, shot a .30 caliber bullet and
killed the enemy.
Now- Rifles are made of plastic and aluminum, shoot a  .22 caliber bullet,
and wound the enemy.

1945- The winning side used a US made .45 Caliber pistol, The losers used a
European 9mm.
Now- We use a European 9mm pistol. Nobody uses the .45.

1945- If you smoked, you had an ashtray on your desk.
Now- If you smoke, you are sent outside and are treated like a leper.

1945- If you said "damn", people knew you were annoyed and avoided you.
Now- If you say "damn" you better be talking about a hydroelectric plant.

1945- NCO's had a typewriter on their desks for doing daily reports.
Now- Everyone has an internet computer, and they wonder why no work is
getting done.

1945- We painted pictures of pretty girls on airplanes to remind us of
home.
Now- We put the real thing in the cockpit.

1945- Your girlfriend was at home, praying you would return alive.
Now- She is in the same foxhole, praying your condom worked.

1945- If you got drunk off duty, your buddies would take you back to the
barracks to sleep it off.
Now- If you get drunk any time they slap you in rehab and ruin your whole
career.

1945- You were taught to aim at your enemy and shoot him.
Now- You spray 500 bullets into the brush, don't hit anything, and retreat
because you are out of ammo.

1945- Canteens were made out of steel. You could heat coffee or hot
chocolate in them.
Now- Canteens are made of plastic. You can't heat anything in them and they
always taste like plastic.

1945- Officers were professional soldiers first. They commanded respect.
Now- Officers are politicians first. They beg not to be given a wedgie.

1945- They collected enemy intelligence and analyzed it.
Now- They  collect our pee and analyze it.

1945- If you don't act right, the commander might put you in the stockade
till you straighten up.
Now- If you don't act right, they start a paper trail that follows you
forever.

1945- Medals were awarded to heroes who saved lives at the risk of their
own.
Now- Medals are awarded to people who show up for work most of the time.

1945- You slept in a barracks, like a soldier.
Now- You sleep in a dormitory, like a college kid.

1945- You ate in a Mess Hall. It was free and you could have all the food
you wanted.
Now- You eat in a dining facility. Every slice of bread or pat of butter
costs, and you can only have one.

1945- We defeated powerful countries like Germany and Japan.
Now- We can't even beat Iraq or Yugoslavia.

1945- If you wanted to relax, you went to the Rec Center, played pool,
smoked, and drank beer.
Now- You go to the Community Center and can still play pool.

1945- If you wanted a beer and conversation you could go to the NCO or
Officers Club.
Now- The beer will cost you $1.75, membership is forced, and someone is
watching how much you drink.

1945- You could buy quartermaster gas tax free because it was on a military
reservation.
Now- AAFES charges you the tax but pockets the money themselves because it
is on a military reservation.

1945-The BX/PX had bargains for GI's who didn't make much money.
Now-You can get better merchandise cheaper at Wal Mart.

1945- We could recognize the enemy by their Nazi helmets.
Now- We are wearing the Nazi helmets.

1945- We called the enemy things like "Krauts" and "Japs" because we didn't
like them.
Now- We call the enemy things like "opposing forces" and "aggressors" so we
don't offend them.

1945- Victory was declared when the enemy was dead and all his things were
broken.
Now- Victory is declared when the enemy says he is sorry.

1945- If you killed an enemy soldier, you could bring home his rifle as a
trophy.
Now- If you bring home anything at all as a trophy you get a court martial.

1945- A commander would put his butt on the line to protect his people.
Now- A commander will put his people on the line to protect his butt.

1945- After the war, you could buy your own rifle off the government,
cheap.
Now- You can't be trusted with your own rifle, and you'll be jailed if you
ever get one.

1945- Wars were planned and run by generals with lots of important
victories.
Now- Wars are planned and run by politicians with lots of important panty
raids.

1945- We knew we were fighting for freedom.  The country was committed to
winning.
Now- We don't know what we are fighting for.  The government is committed
to Socialism.

1945- All you could think of was getting out and becoming a civilian again.

Now- All you can think of is getting out and becoming a civilian again


Thomas B. Roach
Somewhere in the Sierra Nevada foothills

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[CTRL] "Extraterrestrial Exposure Law"

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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"Extraterrestrial Exposure Law"

EXTRA-TERRESTRIAL EXPOSURE LAW

Already Passed by Congress On October 5, 1982, Dr. Brain T. Clifford of the

Pentagon announced at a press conference ("The Star", New York, Oct. 5,
1982)
that contact between U.S. citizens and extra-terrestrials or their vehicles

is strictly illegal.

According to a law already on the books: (Title 14, Section 1211 of the
Code
of Federal Regulations, adopted on July 16, 1969, before the Apollo moon
shots), anyone guilty of such contact automatically becomes a wanted
criminal
to be jailed for one year and fined $5,000. The NASA administrator is
empowered to determine with or without a hearing that a person or object
has
been "extraterrestrially exposed" and impose an indeterminate quarantine
under armed guard, which could not be broken even by court order.

There is no limit placed on the number of individuals who could thus be
arbitrarily quarantined.

The definition of "extraterrestrial exposure" is left entirely up to NASA
administrator, who is thus endowed with total dictatorial power to be
exercised at his slightest caprice, which is completely contrary to the
Constitution.

According to Dr. Clifford, whose commanding officers have been assuring the

public for the last 39 years that UFO's are nothing more than hoaxes and
delusions to be dismissed with a condescending smile: "This is really no
joke, it's a very serious matter." This legislation was buried in the
1,211th
subsection of the 14th section of a batch of regulations very few members
of
government probably bothered to read in its entirety, the proverbial needle

in the haystack, and was slipped onto the books without public debate.

Thus from one day to the next we learn that, without having informed the
public, in its infinite wisdom, the government of the United States has
created a whole new criminal class: UFO contactees.

The lame excuse offered by NASA as a sugar coating for this bitter pill is
that extra-terrestrials might have a virus that could wipe out the human
race. This is certainly one of the many possibilities inherent is such
contact, but just as certainly not the only one , and in itself not a valid

reason to make all contact illegal or to declare contactees criminals to be

jailed and fined immediately.

It appears the primary effect of such a law would not be to prevent
contact,
it would be to silence witnesses. If enforced, the law would prevent
publication of contactee reports except under cover of anonymity, and
unleash
a modern inquisition in the Land of the Free. However, it is unenforceable,

so obviously absurd and unfair that the public will refuse to accept it.
The
citizens of the United States will greet it with a resounding Bronx cheer
and
laugh it out of court, forcing it to be repealed.

It should be replaced by clearly worded legislation, not open to
interpretation in a multitude of different ways, humanely relevant to the
contingency of E.T. contact, debated and passed by Congress openly instead
of
slipped through "under the table" without the public being informed.

According to NASA spokesman Fletcher Reel, the law as it stands is not
immediately applicable, but in case of need could quickly be made
applicable.
What this means is that it is ambiguously worded, so that it can be
interpreted either one way or the other, as the government desires.

It is certainly not a coincidence that Dr. Clifford held his press
conference
during the period when the popularity of the film E.T. was at its peak. As
E.T. portrayed a type of extraterrestrial that was benevolent and lovable,
the inference is that the press conference was intended to discourage
attempts to communicate or fraternize with UFO occupants. However, instead
of
having the intended effect, it backfired, causing public furor. There may
be
some relationship between this fiasco and the next semi-officially endorsed

attempt to deal with the subject of extra-terrestrials, the TV film V,
which
was featured with repeat performances and maximum publicity by major
networks
worldwide. The aliens portrayed in V are the most horrifying and repulsive
nightmares imaginable, who are defeated thanks largely to a CIA hit man
specializing in covert operations, the tough guy with the heart of gold who

with the aid of the handsome hero saves the human race. This is obvious and

transparent propaganda, designed to do what the government's widespread use

of dis-information, and Dr. Clifford's press conference about the absurd
lemon of a law already on the books failed to do: squelch attempts to
communicate or fraternize with UFO occupants.

One way to avoid widespread panic at the announcement of the news that we
are
under surveillance by nonhuman intelligent beings with a technology far
more
sophisticated than our own is to point out that this situation is nothing
new, but has literally been going on for millennia.

If the "flying dragons" mentioned in the I Ching intended to attack and
d

[CTRL] Humor: Administratium

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Danial Nightwolf sent to PLANETNEWS:

[Most of us have a burning desire to have AdministratiumIs it human
Nature to seek what kills us...? Nancie]

[Investigators at a major research institution recently discovered the
heaviest element known to science and have tentatively named it
Administratium.]

Administratium has no protons or electrons, thus having an atomic number
of 0.  It has, however, 1 neutron, 125 assistant neutrons, 75 vice
neutrons and 111 assistant vice neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of
312.

These 312 particles are held together by a force that involves the
continuous exchange of meson-like particles called morons.  It is also
surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons.

Since it has no electrons, Administratium is inert.  However, it can be
detected chemically as it impedes every reaction it comes into contact
with.

According to the discoverers, a minute amount of Administratium causes
one reaction to take over four days to complete when it would normally
have occurred in less than a second.

Administratium has a normal half-life of approximately 3 years; it does
not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of
the assistant neutrons, vice neutrons, and assistant vice neutrons
exchange places.  In fact, an Administratium sample's mass will actually
INCREASE over time, since with each reorganization some of the morons
inevitably become neutrons, forming new isotopes.  This characteristic of
moron
promotion leads some scientists to speculate that Administratium is
spontaneously formed whenever morons reach a certain quantity in
concentration.  This hypothetical quantity is referred to as the
"Critical Morass."

You will recognize it when it occurs.
-
@
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Editor of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[CTRL] News Manipulation Noted at NBC on Gun Issues

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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News Manipulation Noted at NBC on Gun Issues
Letters to Drudge
6/10/99 Nancy Shack

Letter to "Drudge Report" -- posted on Letters to Drudge

Dear Mr. Drudge,

Howie Carr and The Howie Carr Show had an interesting experience with
NBC's Nightly  News with Tom Brokaw on Tuesday. NBC called us and asked if
we would discuss the topic  of the effect of the Littleton shootings on our
listeners attitudes  towards gun ownership. Lisa  Myers had a piece
scheduled for that nights news broadcast and she wanted popular reaction
footage to complete her piece.

We agreed. In the first hour of the show Howie asked the listeners how
they were effected if at all while the NBC cameras rolled. We took 33
calls. 30 of those calls  said the effect of the shootings was to make them
want to own a gun for protection and not  tighten up the laws.

When the story aired on NBC that night Lisa Myers said that according to
polls (which ones she never identified) and popular reactions on talk shows
most people were  in favor of stricter gun laws and were against gun
ownership. She went on to play one of the 3  anti-gun phone calls from our
show completely ignoring the 30 calls which did not agree with  her
premise.

This manipulation and skewing of the actual poll results from our show  has
caused quite a stir among our listeners who were heard the gun hour and
then witnessed the blatant misrepresentation of what the majority response
was on NBC news. It has  left much of our audience feeling mistrustful and
angry with network news in general and  NBC specifically. (By the way, this
gun control feature led the news while China and the Cox  report was buried
11minutes into the broadcast.)

Thanks for letting us vent.
Nancy Shack
Executive Producer
The Howie Carr Show

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[CTRL] Class Action Suit for AIDS Virus Manufacture

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Class Action Suit for AIDS Virus Manufacture

Feb 23, 1999
Subject: CLASS ACTION SUIT - AIDS BIOENGINEERING-PLEASE READ AND SHARE
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 13:14:55 EST

AIDS BIOENGINEERING ON TRIAL

The issue of governmental involvement in the creation, production and
proliferation of the aids virus will be resolved in the Federal court in
the Northern District of Ohio before Federal Judge Lesley Brooks Wells. The
complaint (Graves v. Cohen [Secty. of Defense] 98 CV 2209) filed by Boyd E.
Graves on September 28, 1998 contains direct evidence of bioengineering,
including the Congressional Testimony of the Pentagon given on June 9, 1969
and July 1, 1969 before a U.S. House of Representatives Subcommittee.

"The Pentagon's testimony of June 9, 1969 leaves no reasonable doubt of the
absolute culpability of the government," remarked lead plaintiff, Boyd E.
(Ed) Graves to John Mangels, Medical Reporter for the Cleveland Plain
Dealer. "The overwhelming and substantial credible evidence will
sufficiently prove the government bioengineered the AIDS virus by
recombining a cow virus [bovine spongiform encephalomyelitis-Ed.] and a
sheep virus [visna virus-Ed.). The evidence will also show this recombined
agent was proliferated in the smallpox and hepatitis B vaccines. The
mathematical epidemiology of the AIDS virus proves a large number of
persons had to be simultaneously exposed.

Additionally, the epidemiological profile of the early AIDS virus in the
United States mirrors with remarkable similarity the epidemiological
profile of the Cohort Study Group of the Experimental hepatitis B vaccine
trials. No virus debilitates or kills with such precise selectivity,"
concludes Graves. An initial ruling to certify the Class [in the Class
Action-Ed..] is anticipated from the Judge. A tax-deductible fund is being
established through the Cleveland Plain Dealer (216-999-4659); Samuel W.
Black, Curator for African American History, the Western Reserve Historical
Society (216-721-5722); or Ronald G. Rooy, Executive Director, New Hope
Alternative Therapy Reserve (216-363-5060).

Another press release has been sent to me by Donald Scott, President of The
Common Cause Foundation to be shared with everyone. Please send both of
these to your local media and spread the word on the internet:

February 8, 1999 PRESS RELEASE 705-670-0180

INTERVENER STATUS SOUGHT BY CANADIAN FOUNDATION IN LANDMARK US AIDS CLASS
ACTION SUIT

Donald Scott, President of the Common Cause Foundation, has announced that
his organization will apply for intervener status in the class action
lawsuit against the US Government filed by Boyd E. Graves of Cleveland,
Ohio.

In the suit filed on September 28, 1998 before Federal Judge Lesley Brooks
Wells, the Plaintiffs allege that the U.S. Department of Defense was
involved in the "creation, production and proliferation of the AIDS virus".


The suit is based upon government documents obtained under the Freedom of
Information Act. The critical document is a record of Hearings held on June
9, 1969, between the Pentagon's top researcher, Dr. D.M. MacArthur, and
several U.S. House of Representative Congressmen. In those Hearings
MacArthur reveals that the Pentagon would produce "a new microorganism
which would be refractory to the human immune system" and for which "no
natural immunity could have ben acquired (AIDS)." Dr. MacArthur had
projected a 5 to 10 year time frame, and the first AIDS cases appeared
within that time.

"The historical documentary evidence and the scientific evidence is very
compelling that the U.S. Department of Defense did, indeed, develop the
AIDS virus as a biological weapon for strategic (ie population control)
purposes," says Scott. "The scientific evidence is equally strong," Scott
also suggests. "Beginning with an article in the November 26, 1987 issue of
Nature Magazine ("Characterization and molecular cloning of a bovine
lentivirus related to human immunodeficiency virus" by Matthew A. Gonda et
al) provides a solid basis for Mr. Graves' case," claims Scott. The article
Mr. Scott refers to states that the similarity between the HIV and the
bovine counterpart is so close that "sensitive type-specific assays will be
needed to discriminate between them."

Such solid scientifically based research has been under-reported and the
media has picked up on the most ill-founded "AIDS from monkeys" claims. The
Common Cause Foundation will offer the Class Action plaintiffs any help
that it has in bringing all historical and scientific data it possesses to
the attention of the Court.

http://www.trufax.org/hotmail/aids.html

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Re: [CTRL] Class Action Suit for AIDS Virus Manufacture

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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--
> From: Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Class Action Suit for AIDS Virus Manufacture
> Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 10:43 AM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Went To Common Cause Website and searched for this and
> could find no records pertaining other than the hotmail link
> you includedwhats UP?  Ann Mcbride the president of
> Common Cause during the time frame you are speaking of here,
> and Donald Simon, not Donald Scott acting president July99.
> Are you a member of the ASS press?
> B

Hi Bill,

I'm a member of the local food co-op and that's about it.  This piece was
forwarded to me, but I didn't check the links.  Thanks for doing so.

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] JFK Jr.- weather radar images missing

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Bill,

What evidence is there that these radar images are missing?  This is the
first I've heard of it and I've been camped in front of the TV and of the
Internet for 2 days.

Hilary

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> From: Bill Kingsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] JFK Jr.- weather radar images missing
> Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 1:20 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
>  From: NewsHawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Date: Sun, 18 Jul 1999
>  Subj: JFK Jr. Disappearance/Addition
>
>
>  Regarding the disappearance of John F. Kennedy's plane
>  and all passengers: weather radar images, which have
>  proven useful a number of times in spotting anomalous
>  electromagnetic/radio frequency phenomena, are missing from
>  the archives for the eastern Long Island/Martha's Vineyard
>  area during two critical hours during which JFK Jr.'s plane
>  apparently crashed/disappeared.  This is significant due to
>  that fact that Kennedy's plane was most likely taken down
>  intentionally by a hostile action, most likely using an
>  exotic weapons system.  We have noted that a particle beam
>  weapons system is in place at the New World Order's secret
>  underground base beneath Montauk Point, RIGHT NEAR where the
>  plane was last caught on radar, going down.
>
>  John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.
>
>
>
>
> .
>
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Re: [CTRL] USDA: Rudely Defending Biotech Foods

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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"But the FDA is being sued for allowing biotech foods on the market without
adequate review. And the man who approved the foods at the FDA came to the
FDA from a law firm where he represented Monsanto, and after his stint at
the FDA, he went to work directly for Monsanto's Washington office, where
he sits today."

No conflict of interest here

Hilary


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> From: Shane A. Saylor, Eccentric Bard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] FW: USDA: Rudely Defending Biotech Foods
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 4:20 AM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
> Behalf Of Robert Weissman
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 11:25 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list CORP-FOCUS
> Subject: USDA: Rudely Defending Biotech Foods

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Re: [CTRL] Kennedy Tragedies Linked To 'Risk-Taking Gene' - Israeliexpert

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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And maybe he just made a bad decision to fly in questionable weather in an
attempt to get to a family wedding.  There is no mystery here...Just a sad
story. MHO.

Hilary

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> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] Kennedy Tragedies Linked To 'Risk-Taking Gene' -
Israeliexpert
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 1999 9:37 AM
>
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>
> http://www.sightings.com/politics4/trag.htm
>
> Kennedy Tragedies Linked To 'Risk-Taking Gene' - Israeli expert
> http://asia.yahoo.com

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[CTRL] World's Top Scientists Ponder: What If The Whole Universe Is, Like, One Huge Atom?

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

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> From: Hilary A. Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [InTheShadows] World's Top Scientists Ponder: What If The Whole
Universe Is, Like, One Huge Atom?
> Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:03 AM
>
> From: "Hilary A. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> World's Top Scientists Ponder:
> What If The Whole Universe Is, Like, One Huge Atom?
>
> PALO ALTO, CA--Gathering for what members of the international science
> community are calling "potentially the most totally out-to-lunch freaky
> head trip since Einstein postulated that space and time were, like,
curved
> and shit," a consortium of the world's top physicists descended upon
> Stanford University Monday to discuss some of the difficult questions
> facing the cutting edge of theoretical thinking.
>
> Among the revolutionary ideas expected to be raised at the historic
> week-long summit is the possibility that, like, our whole friggin'
universe
> might be just one big atom in, say, some super-duper huge thing out there
> somewhere, or something.
>
> "Whoa, man," Dr. Jacob "The Boz" Bozeman of MIT told reporters. "The
> implications of this deceptively simple hypothesis are, like, completely
> blowing my mind. Like, we could all be nothing more than this little dot
in
> the fingernail of some huge-ass giant dude. Or maybe a seed in the
mustard
> of, like, some really big sandwich, or even a germ on the back of a flea
> that's, like, sitting on a hair on some giant dog's ass. Truly, it
boggles
> the freakin' mind, man. It freaks me the fuck right out."
>
> The universe-as-possible-giant-atom theory originated in May with a team
of
> Cal Tech particle physicists, who developed the theory late one night
while
> sitting around on a couch in the Physics Department's cyclotron and
> foosball facility, "just shooting the shit." The theory, which was
> reportedly conceived after the group became highly engrossed in
> ceiling-tile patterns for several minutes while waiting for a pizza to
> arrive, is said to be so advanced that only a few scientists in the world
> even have their heads together enough to really, you know, deal. Yet even
> among this elite group, many are said to be "seriously thrown for a loop"
> by its implications.
>
> "I'm like, 'Whoa there, man, slow down,'" said Dr. Dieter Gerhardt, a
> low-temperature physicist at Cornell University. Pausing for a moment to
> collect himself, the renowned scientist then placed his hands on his
> forehead before extending them outward in a sweeping gesture and making a
> buzzing "space-noise" sound effect with his lips, non-verbally indicating
> the degree to which his mind was blown by the whole freaky deal.
>
> Among other topics to be explored at the Stanford conference, according
to
> Bozeman: the concept of parallel, or "alternate," Earths; the theory of
> multi-dimensional "superstrings" that fold backward and forward
throughout
> the fabric of the universe; and "a whole bunch of other shit I totally
> can't even handle thinking about right now."
>
> On Monday, the most high-profile conference attendee, Cambridge's Dr.
> Stephen Hawking, discussed his recent research exploring the possible
> existence of "sideways," or lateral, time, a concept most scientists in
> attendance described as "way out there."
>
> "I don't want to fuck with anybody's head here," Hawking told the
assembled
> scientists via his voice-simulation device, "but if time goes sideways as
> well as forward, there might be, like, other versions of this reality,
> where, say, the Roman Empire is still in charge and stuff."
>
> "By the way," Hawking added, "ever think about what'd happen if you, say,
> went back in time and accidentally killed your own younger self? Man,
that
> shit would be so fucked up."
>
> Hawking's ideas provoked strong reaction. "I remember I was pretty wigged
> out when Feynman came up with that shit about antiparticles just being
> normal particles traveling backwards in time," said Dr. Wei Lo-Huang of
> Princeton. "That was heavy enough to have to deal with. But now Hawking
> comes up with this? What is with that?"
>
> "Fuck, man... if this turns out to be true, it will require a total
> recalibration of all our methods for measuring space-time flux, and that
> means all my old equations are gonna be, like, for shit," Wei said. "Aw,
> man."
>
> Though Hawking's lateral-time theory 

[CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] WWII documents show UK nixed plan to save Jews

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

--
> From: Hilary A. Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [InTheShadows] WWII documents show UK nixed plan to save Jews
> Date: Thursday, July 22, 1999 11:28 AM
>
> From: "Hilary A. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>
> Thursday, July 22, 1999 9 Av 5759 Updated Thu., Jul. 22 01:23
>
> WWII documents show UK nixed plan to save Jews
> By DOUGLAS DAVIS  LONDON (July 22) -
>
> Britain stymied a secret US plan to save thousands of Jews from Nazi
> concentration camps during World War II because it feared they would
> emigrate to Palestine, according to British government papers that were
> declassified yesterday.
>
> The US plan involved exchanging captive Jews who held South American
> passports for expatriate German nationals in Latin America.
>
> But British foreign secretary Anthony Eden rejected the June 14, 1944
> proposal, because he feared the freed Jews would emigrate directly to
> Palestine and stir up trouble for Britain, a Foreign Office document
shows.
>
>
> He was also worried that the return of able-bodied Germans, many with
> technical skills, might enhance Germany's war effort.
>
> Britain's refusal to contemplate the exchange plan angered Washington,
> where politicians had been shocked by the malnourished, emaciated
condition
> of prisoners from Bergen-Belsen who had been released in an earlier
> civilian exchange.
>
> They were anxious to save as many Jews as possible from the Nazis, and
> diplomats at the time noted that many Germans were interned or under
> effective house arrest in Latin American countries, while thousands of
> concentration camp inmates were Latin American citizens or dependants.
>
> Eden, however, was unimpressed: "Most of the holders of these documents
> [Latin American passports] are of Jewish race who have been accepted as
> immigrants to Palestine," he wrote to Gordon Vereker, British ambassador
in
> Uruguay, in November 1944.
>
> It seems that in 1943, Joachim von Ribbentrop, Hitler's foreign minister,
> proposed exchanging some 30,000 Jews for an equivalent number of Germans
in
> South America, the British Empire, and Palestine. As a result of that
> initiative, 550 Jews were exchanged, many of them apparently ending up in
> Palestine.
>
> Eden argued that "the passports are good for a journey thither provided
the
> holders succeed in leaving enemy or enemy-occupied territory. In these
> circumstances, it appears doubtful that it will ever be possible to carry
> out the exchange envisaged by the United States government."
>
> Eden expressed the hope, however, that "the German government will
abstain
> from exterminating these people and will keep them in camps open to
outside
> inspection" if it was made aware that they might be exchanged for
Germans.
>
> British diplomats in South America were also shown to have argued about
the
> lists of German citizens suitable for repatriation prepared by the US.
>
> "All of them are capable of rendering services to Germany if in that
> country," Vereker wrote. "Many have qualities that would render them of
> considerable value to Germany.
>
> "For instance, it seems absurd to suggest sending to Germany... highly
> trained employees of the German bank who otherwise are languishing here
> doing nothing but draw their pay."
>
> "Any such action," added Vereker, "would certainly be misunderstood and
> give rise to all sorts of ideas that we have gone all soft and
sentimental
> over the Germans."
>
> In February 1945, the US State Department was so exasperated by Britain's
> procrastination that an emotional memo was sent to London.
>
> "The department has received most distressing reports regarding physical
> conditions of the unfortunate persons from Bergen-Belsen camp who were
> released in the latest exchange of civilians, and it will be noted that
> five of them died of malnutrition during a short period after their
arrival
> in Switzerland. A sixth has died this week.
>
> "It is therefore a matter of the greatest humanitarian urgency that
cleared
> lists of Germans in this hemisphere available for exchange be compiled
and
> that they comprise enough persons to permit the release from confinement
> and otherwise certain death of the several thousand unfortunate bearers
of
> Latin American passports whom the Germans are holding under such
> conditions."
>
> However, by the time Lord Halifax, the British ambassador in Washington,
> sent the note to Vereker, progress in the war had made the plan "of
> academic interest," according to a

Re: [CTRL] Trouble on Temple Mount

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Isn't this mentioned in the book of Revelations?

Hilary


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> From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] Trouble on Temple Mount
> Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 2:58 AM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Muslims Close Al Aqsa Mosque
>
> By LAURIE COPANS
> .c The Associated Press
>
> JERUSALEM (AP) - Muslim clergymen closed Islam's third holiest shrine
> Thursday after Jewish extremists called for the expulsion of Muslims from
the
> hill that once held the ancient Jewish Temple, Judaism's most sacred
site.
>
> Israeli police arrested three members of the outlawed anti-Arab Kach
group
> early Thursday after they distributed leaflets near the Al Aqsa Mosque
> compound, calling on Jews to ``expel the strangers from the Temple
Mount.''
> The three were later released.
>
> Police issued statements published in Palestinian newspapers Thursday
> promising that Jewish extremists would not be allowed into the mosque
area.
> Police apparently hoped to prevent possible Palestinian demonstrations.
>
> Gates to the compound known to Muslims as Haram as-Sharif, or Noble
> Sanctuary, were shut this afternoon. The mosque area is located on the
site
> of the second Jewish Temple, which was destroyed by the Romans in A.D. 70
>
> Israel is in overall control of Jerusalem, including the holy sites.
Under
> arrangements dating back to Israel's capture of the area in the 1967
Mideast
> war, the Waqf, the Muslim religious council, administers the mosque area.
>
> Jerusalem police commander Yair Yitzhaki expressed displeasure with the
Waqf
> decision to close the compound. The Waqf issued no statement, but the
> compound was likely to reopen by Friday noon, the most important Muslim
> prayer session of the week and the time the sanctuary attracts the
largest
> crowds .
>
> Some Jewish extremist groups believe the Al Aqsa and Dome of the Rock
mosques
> should be razed to make way for the rebuilding of the Temple. But most
> observant Jews believe the structure will be built only with divine
> intervention.
>
> As part of a semiannual tradition, one extremist group, the Temple Mount
> Faithful, made an attempt Thursday to enter the gates of the compound on
the
> Ninth of Av, the day marking the destruction of the two ancient temples.
>
> Police blocked the 30 demonstrators, including a few American Christian
> evangelists, who chanted mournful prayers and waved Israeli flags.
>
> ``I am here to bless Israel and to support it,'' said Miriam Lee of Buena
> Vista, Ga. ``According to the Scriptures, this mount is Jewish land.''
>
> Some evangelical Christians believe the rebuilding of the Temple will
hasten
> the Second Coming of Christ.
>
> Yitzhaki said the police decided not to let the group onto the Temple
Mount
> after the Kach members distributed the leaflets.
>
> Jews are allowed to visit the compound and pray, but only silently and in
> small groups.
>
> The Haram as-Sharif hill overlooks the Western Wall, the holiest site to
Jews
> and the last remnant of the Second Temple compound. Dozens were killed in
> Israeli-Palestinian clashes in the area in 1990 and 1996 as part of
disputes
> over the holy sites.
>
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[CTRL] Gore Quotes

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Is there something about being Vice President that makes you talk like
this?...

I certainly have a new target for the upcoming Presidential
election here in the USA.  And people used to make fun of Dan
Quayle...

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."  Al Gore

"Democrats understand the importance of bondage between a mother
and child." -- Vice President Al Gore

"Welcome to President Clinton, Mrs. Clinton, and my fellow
astronauts." Vice President Al Gore

"Mars is essentially in the same orbit...  Mars is somewhat the
same distance from the Sun, which is very important.  We have
seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, & water.  If
there is water, that means there is oxygen.  If oxygen, that
means we can breathe." Vice President Al Gore, 8/11/94

"The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history.  I
mean in this century's history.  But we all lived in this
century.  I didn't live in this century." -- Vice President Al
Gore, 9/15/95

"I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom
and democracy -- but that could change." Vice President Al Gore,
5/22/98

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice
president, & that one word is 'to be prepared.'" Vice  President
Al Gore, 12/6/93

"Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things." Vice President
Al Gore, 11/30/96<>

"I have made good judgments in the past.  I have made good
judgments in the future." Vice President Al Gore

"The future will be better tomorrow." Vice President Al Gore

"We're going to have the best-educated American people in the
world." Vice President Al Gore, 9/21/97

"People that are really very weird can get into sensitive
positions and have a tremendous impact on history." -- Vice
President Al Gore

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." Vice President
Al Gore to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/93

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a *part* of NATO.  We
have a firm commitment to Europe.  We are a *part* of Europe." --
Vice President Al Gore (emphasis added by Gagler)

"Public speaking is very easy." Vice President Al Gore to
reporters in 10/95

"I am not part of the problem.  I am a Democrat." Vice President
Al Gore

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to
the polls." -- Vice President Al Gore

"When I have been asked who caused the riots and the killing in
L.A., my answer has been direct & simple: Who is to blame for the
riots?  The rioters are to blame.  Who is to blame for the
killings?  The killers are to blame." -- Al Gore

"Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not
having it." Vice President Al Gore, 5/20/96

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not
occur." Vice President Al Gore, 9/22/97

"For NASA, space is still a high priority." Vice President Al
Gore, 9/5/93

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our
children." Vice President Al Gore, 9/18/95

"The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that
Al Gore may or may not make." Vice President Al Gore


"We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten
you on the mistakes we may or may not have made." --Vice
President Al Gore

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment.  It's the
impurities in our air and water that are doing it." -- Vice
President Al Gore

"[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system." --
Vice President Al Gore

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[CTRL] Coping with Africa's Aids disaster

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_444000/444974.stm

"Southern Africa is now at the epicentre of new infections. Almost a
quarter of adults in Botswana, Namibia, Swaziland and Zimbabwe are HIV
positive and in South Africa there are an estimated 1,500 new infections
every day."

These are alarming figures.

Hilary



Sunday, September 12, 1999 Published at 14:20 GMT 15:20 UK

Coping with Africa's Aids disaster

Aids has run rampant on the continent

An international conference on Aids has opened in the Zambian capital
Lusaka to discuss how to contain the further spread of the HIV virus, which
has become the continent's number one killer.

Thousands of people in Africa become infected with HIV every day, and the
continent is home to two-thirds of the global population of those infected
with the virus.

The impact on African economies and society has been devastating.

The top UN Aids campaigner, in Zambia to attend the conference, said the
world community had failed to mobilise to fight the disease.

Dr Peter Piot, executive director of the UN Aids agency, said half of all
newborn babies in Africa carry the HIV virus that leads to Aids.

"Aids is cutting productivity of companies, far too many people are too
sick to work, Africa's middle class is being decimated," Mr Piot told
Reuters news agency.

He said that while Western powers had found the will to deal with crises
like that in Kosovo, they had made no attempt to respond in the same way to
Aids.

The World Health Organisation's director for Africa, Ibrahim Samba, said
the disease should be declared a global disaster.

African leaders absent

Several thousand delegates at the Lusaka conference will discuss ways of
caring for those who are already HIV positive and containing the further
spread of the disease.

The main strategy under discussion is changing people's sexual behaviour to
protect those who are yet to be infected, and lobbying for cheaper drugs
that can turn Aids from a death sentence into a chronic but survivable
disease.

Since the Aids epidemic began, 34 million Africans have been infected with
HIV and almost 12 million have already died.

Southern Africa is now at the epicentre of new infections. Almost a quarter
of adults in Botswana, Namibia, Swaziland and Zimbabwe are HIV positive and
in South Africa there are an estimated 1,500 new infections every day.

There is some evidence that HIV infection rates are dropping in countries
like Uganda where national health education campaigns, political support
and increased awareness of the disease have helped.

But BBC correspondent Greg Barrow, who is in Lusaka, says that despite the
huge problems of Aids on the continent, not a single African head of state
attended the opening ceremony.

He says that, of all the speeches at the opening ceremony, it was one
delivered by an eight-year-old Zambian girl which was the most poignant:

"My best friend will turn eight next month ... Her father will not be there
to help her blow out her birthday candles. Her mother will not be there to
help her cut her birthday cake.

"They both died from Aids last year."

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Re: [CTRL] CTRL] Who is bombing Russia?

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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--
> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] CTRL] Who is bombing Russia?
> Date: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 1:57 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> - Original Message -
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>
> > Look at who gains from these terroristic attacks on
> > the people of Russia.
>
> Ah, you read the StratFor analysis too.  Excellent.

I found this analysis particularly interesting

Hilary

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[CTRL] Clinton Bodyguard Bombshell Set to Explode on Fox News Channel

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Tuesday September 14, 11:19 AM
http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/9/14/100902

Clinton Bodyguard Bombshell Set to Explode on Fox News Channel

Larry Patterson is the Arkansas State Police police bodyguard who blew the
lid off Bill Clinton's taxpayer-funded sexcapades during the 1980s. And now
he's back in the spotlight with the rest of the story: a firsthand account
of the Clinton secrets the mainstream press doesn't dare investigate.

That changes Wednesday night, when Patterson tells his story live and in
person to Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes."

In a blockbuster interview last week with NewsMax.com's executive editor
Christopher Ruddy, Patterson revealed what he knows about Clinton's
connections to the Dixie Mafia, the battered woman Patterson spied at the
Governor's Mansion one night, the presents the Governor gave the child
rumored to be his son, the ethnic slur Patterson's former boss used to
describe one of the nation's foremost civil rights leaders and more.

You won't want to miss Patterson and Ruddy exploring these topics for the
first time on national television.

Tune in to Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes," 9:00 PM EDT Wednesday --
and find out what Peter Jennnings, Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw don't want you
to know about your President.

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[CTRL] Secret Global Trade

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Has anyone heard of this?

Hilary

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

@@
PLANETNEWS broadcast


  SIGHTINGS:
  Secret Global Trade
  Treaty Being Written
  From SchNEWS, a britsh underground paper/e-document
  http://www.cbuzz.co.uk/SchNEWS
  11-2-97


  The Museum of Humanity in Paris is a multicultural celebration of

social, environmental and labour progression of several millennia. Inside
the
population clock ticks up three new births a second. It stands at
approximately 5,901,884,000. Outside, a giant screen on the Eiffel Tower
counts down the days to the millenimum: 791. But there is another date, May

1998, which is affecting each and every one on the planet far more.

  Around the corner, behind the closed doors in a basement room of
a
bunker-like office building, representatives from the richest countries of
the world are writing the "constitution of a single global economy" in
secrecy and and in haste. The global impact of their work, the Multilateral

Agreement on Investment (MAI), is almost unimaginable. This agreement is
for
"the end of history", when the corporations will finally take over the
world.
The Museum of Humanity, a small notice says, is closing down.

  The most important international agreement on investment and
trade
ever, the MAI, has been negotiated in secret in Paris since September 1995.

It will legally bind the richest countries on Earth together for 20 years
in
a move that will invalidate all international and domestic law regarding
environmental, social and labour rights. Countries will not be able to opt
out once it is signed.

  Multinationals will gain the right to sue national governments
for
even debating issues which may harm the profit of an investor regardless of

domestic law. It will force governments to respond to economic pressures by

abolishing worker protections, public safety regulations and measures
protecting the environment. Silence on the MAI is deafening in the UK and
worldwide.

  Details of the plan were leaked and put on the Internet by French

activists a year ago and the cause was taken up by global pressure groups.
The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), which
include the world's 29 wealthiest countries, meet every six weeks in Paris
to
plan the MAI. On Monday they allowed 50 people from pressure groups from
all
continents precisely six hours to listen to their concerns. SchNEWS (alone
in
the UK press) was there. The NGOs called the discussions "shocking" and
"negative". Chairman of the negotiating group, Frans Engering, told SchNEWS

after the `consultations' that there could not possibly be any delay in the

passage of the MAI, and that "we are entering the last stages."

  Globalisation has seen over the last 30 years, the richest 20% of

the world's population increase their share of income from 70% to 85%,
while
the share captured by the poorest 20% has declined from 2.3% to 1.4%

  A 600 page document of "reservations" of member countries is not
publicly available, but Friends of the Earth received a leaked copy. It
reveals that the UK is planning to sign without any reservations for the
environmentally or socially-sensitive sectors of the economy. Tony Juniper,

Campaigns Director of FOE, says "Labour's blinkered obsession with the free

market appears to be absolute."

  The real clout in the MAI is the right it gives companies to sue
governments for large damages. In what is known as the `pay the polluter'
case, the Ethyl Corporation of America is suing the Canadian government for

$367 million dollars for banning the use of MMT, a controversial gasoline
additive, which it makes in Ottawa. It wants "immediate compensation for
imposing legislation which hinders its operations [profit]." under free
trade
rules identical to the MAI.

  SchNEWS went to the OECD library to be told by the assistant:
"I've
never heard of MAI". There were no published documents available. "Their
mania for secrecy is our best strategic clue, " says Chantell Taylor of the

US-based Public Citizen Global Trade Watch, " it's time for the Dracula
strategy because this is one treaty that could never survive sunshine."

  MAI Words

  "We are writing the constitution of a single global economy" -
Renato Ruggerio, Director General of the World Trade Organisation

  "The MAI, if enacted, will allow corporations - the pinnacle of
debauched economic power - to run riot over the face of the Earth, with
greater political right than any sovereign nation." - Corporate Watch, UK

  "We will oppose any and all measures to create or even imply
binding obligations for governments or business related to environment or
labour." - Abraham Katz, President of the USCIB (United States Council for
International Business)

  "MAI is the final consummation of collective colonialism ... the
erosion of national sovereignty wou

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #3

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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>
> From: "ric carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> SkeptiNews 990915c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To
Question
>> @ Did A Nuclear Explosion Hit Michigan 10,000 Years Ago? Plutonium 239
found
>   in Paleo-Indian artifacts & related sediments in conjunction with
greatly
>   enriched 235U. Paleo-Indian artifacts (flakes) from the Gainey site in
>   lower Michigan and the Taylor site in Illinois were inspected for the
>   presence of particles and/or particle tracks and impact pits which have
>   been observed in artifacts from these sites as well as other
Paleo-Indian
>   sites. http://topping.www-user.imagiware.com/Copy-PU.htm

How annoying!  The authors didn't suggest ANY possible explanation for this
other than to say that some "event" apparently occurred.  Well, gee, that
narrows it down!  I wonder if there is an impact crater in that area?

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] [InTheShadows] Skeptic News - Wednesday #4

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> From: "ric carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> SkeptiNews 990915d - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To
Question
>
> @ The Hundredth Monkey. You've often heard references to the "Hundredth
>   Monkey" phenomena, but did you really know what it was? It is shown to
>   exist scientifically, yet the cause can only be something outside of
our
>   normal reality. http://www.spiritual-endeavors.org/free/100monk-all.htm

This theory was debunked a number of years ago.  I remember reading an
article by the researchers who came forward and stated that they had
contrived the whole thing.

Hilary

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[CTRL] Humor: THE RULES OF CHOCOLATE

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THE RULES OF CHOCOLATE

If you've got melted chocolate all over your hands, you're
eating it too slowly.

Chocolate covered raisins, cherries, orange slices and
strawberries all count as fruit, so eat as many as you want.

The problem: How to get 2 pounds of chocolate home from the
store in a hot car.
The solution: Eat it in the parking lot.

Diet tip: Eat a chocolate bar before each meal.  It'll take
the edge off your appetite, and you'll eat less.

If calories are an issue, store your chocolate on top of the
fridge. Calories are afraid of heights, and they will jump out
of the chocolate to protect themselves.

If I eat equal amounts of dark chocolate and white chocolate,
is that a balanced diet?  Don't they actually counteract each
other?

Money talks.  Chocolate sings.  Beautifully.

Chocolate has many preservatives.  Preservatives make you look
younger. Therefore, you need to eat more chocolate.

Put "eat chocolate" at the top of your list of things to do
today.  That way, at least you'll get one thing done.

A nice box of chocolates can provide your total daily intake
of calories in one place.  Now, isn't that handy?

If you can't eat all your chocolate, it will keep in the
freezer.  But if you can't eat all your chocolate, what's
wrong with you?

If not for chocolate, there would be no need for control top
pantyhose. An entire garment industry would be devastated.
You can't let that happen, can you?

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[CTRL] Earthquake 'unusual', say scientists

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_453000/453434.stm

Tuesday, September 21, 1999 Published at 16:42 GMT 17:42 UK

Earthquake 'unusual', say scientists

The earthquake which rocked buildings and killed more than 1,000 people in
central Taiwan in the early hours of Tuesday morning was unusual, say
seismologists.

 Normally, quakes in the region occur hundreds of kilometres out to sea,
far away from urban populations. But this tremor, which measured about 7.6
on the Richter scale, struck inland, close to the central city of Taichung.
It was also very near the Earth's surface.

The BBC's Christine McGourty: "Experts say there's no connection between
this quake and the one in Turkey"

The tremor was timed at 0147 (1747GMT Monday), with its epicentre - the
point on the Earth's surface directly above the quake - located at 23.7
degrees north latitude and 121.1 degrees east longitude. That put it about
12.5 km (7.75 miles) west of the scenic Sun Moon Lake in central Nantou
county.

Already, scientists have begun analysing data from seismometers around the
world.

"It looks as if this one was peculiar in some way," said Dr Chris Browitt
from the British Geological Survey in Edinburgh. "It looks as like it was
much shallower than usual and in a different area."

Frequent events

This was confirmed by reporters on the ground. "This quake happened in the
mountains on the western side of the island," said Diane Baker of the
Taipei Times. "The big cities of Taipei and Taichung are unprotected for
something like this."

Recently history shows there have been earthquakes around magnitude 7.5 in
the region more than once a decade for the last three decades. The last
tremor on this scale to hit the island was on 14 November, 1986. But again,
this occurred under the ocean and the resulting death toll was restricted
to just 15.

"You've got to remember that a magnitude 7.5 earthquake will occur maybe
four times a year somewhere in the world. It's just that this one happened
to hit at a place where a lot of people and buildings are exposed."

Seismologists will be keen to study the depth data for this quake. Tremors
can occur as deep as 700 km. As recently as 1993, Taiwan experienced a
quake that was over 150 km down. But this latest quake was probably no more
than a few kilometres below the surface.

Destructive power

The destructive power of an earthquake comes from the momentum gathered
when two opposing "faults" or plates of rock, which may have been locked
together for decades, suddenly move apart. The result is that solid rock
which normally moves only with the passing of geological ages accelerates
briefly to 5,000mph, unleashing huge quantities of energy and creating a
shaking movement of up to a metre a second.

Walter Mooney, a seismologist at the US Geological Survey: The building
codes are better in Taiwan than in Turkey

Taiwan sits is a very active seismological region where the relatively
small Philippine plate is slowly grinding into the very large Eurasian
plate. To the north of the island, the Philippine plate is being forced
under the Eurasian plate mass - what seismologists call a subduction zone -
whereas to the south, the opposite is happening.

Of concern to local people will be the danger that comes from aftershocks,
which can bring down already unstable buildings. Five such tremors all
measuring about six on the Richter scale occurred within 30 minutes of the
initial earthquake.

"From the previous history it looks as though there is the potential for
other earthquakes on this size or even larger to occur over the next few
months," said Chris Browitt.

"Back in 1935 there was a magnitude 7.1 which killed over 3,000 people in
the west of Taiwan and it had an aftershock about three months later which
killed just under 3,000 people."

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

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> From: ric carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: PsychoSpy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Skeptics list
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; SkeptiChat list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
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> Subject: [InTheShadows] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 2:15 PM
>
> From: "ric carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> SkeptiNews 990921b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To
Question

> @ Nikola Tesla, 1856-1943: http://www.virtualtheater.com/tesla-bio.html
> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>
> # International Tesla Electric Company 1999 Technology Tour. Live
Demonstra-
>   tions of Free Energy. Please tell all your friends & relatives across
the
>   USA about this show in their area of the country. The primary reason
for
>   this tour is to get the word out to people that this technology exists
and
>   that we plan SOON to come forth with a product that can set them free
of
>   the central power grid. In order to do that we need a grass roots
mandate
>   from the people. Come and see what this is all about and then get
involved
>   in spreading the word.
http://www.teslaelectriccompany.com/free_look.htm

Ric,

What's your take on this device and Denis Lee?

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] [SC] SmartOlogy

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> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Skeptics list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; SkeptiChat list
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> Subject: [SC] SmartOlogy
> Date: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 5:49 PM
>
> - Original Message -
> From: ob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [SC] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3
>
>
> > # Trial of Scientologists begins. MARSEILLE, France (AP) -
> > http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561237002-143
> >
> > : Are you human? Can your problems be solved by technology? Do you
> > belong to a techno-church? Are you expensive? Do you defraud? Do y'r
> > documents vanish?
> >
> > ...you best be carefull what you say about the scientologists or you'll
> > be sending your skeptic news from bankruptcy court till they get
> > your computer and domain name.
>
> You may notice that I was careful to merely quote from a published
> news source and ask some questions.  YOU, OTOH, made the strategic
> blunder of actually using the name of the organization.  Not prudent.
> For safety's sake, always refer to the group as SmartOlogy, and to
> its founder as ElRon HubbaHubba.  Otherwise they'll devour you.

Very wise, Ric.  NO ONE would ever recognize SmartOlogy as that OTHER
organization.  Oh, wait, I just didh...I think your plan needs
some work.

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] [InTheShadows] Free Energy

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> From: "Ric Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: ob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [SC] Re: Skeptic News - Tuesday #2
>
>
> > > > # International Tesla Electric Company 1999 Technology Tour. Live
> > > > Demonstrations of Free Energy. <...> The primary reason for this
> > > > tour is to get the word out to people that this technology exists
> > > > and that we plan SOON to come forth with a product that can set
> > > > them free of the central power grid. In order to do that we need
> > > > a grass roots mandate from the people.
> > > > http://www.teslaelectriccompany.com/free_look.htm
> > >
> > > What's your take on this device and Denis Lee?
> > > Hilary
>
> Anything that's free is generally worth every penny.  TANSTAAFL.  Or
> else we get "The Tragedy Of The Commons" - "free" stuff is wasted.
>
> > ...hi, first- before moving to california- i was originally from
> > westmilford nj - thats the same township as newfoundland - and
> > a. there isn't no such company
> > b. dennis lee looks an awfull lot like john wilkes booth and
> > c. i did searches on the company, a reverse lookup on the fax
> > number and none are listed in any way shape or form.

Well, actually, a friend of mine lives out that way and has toured the
facility so, it does exist.  However, you may be on to something about the
John Wilkes Booth thingBut, back to my original question, What's your
take on this device and Denis Lee?



> "Many are scammed but few are listed."  Hey, the whole approach of
> needing a "public mandate" to get "free of the central power grid"
> is bogus.  Ya want grid freedom?  Put up solar cells.  Then sell
> your excess power *to* the grid.  In my coastal county north of San
> Francisco, I've heard reports that an investment of US$10,000 will
> give a return of $5K per year.  I'm very likely to do just that
> next year.  For more info, surf over to http://www.realgoods.com/

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Hilary

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[CTRL] Computer amateur discovers Y2K bug solution

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The Jerusalem Post Newspaper: Online News From Israel
http://www.jpost.com/

Computer amateur discovers Y2K bug solution

Byline: JUDY SIEGEL
Date: Wednesday, September 15, 1999
Publication: Daily Page: 01
Section: News
Keywords: Computer, Time, Ben-Etzion Yaron

A computer amateur, who took a six-month programming course 27 years ago
and
has since learned applications during his IDF reserve duty, has found a
solution to the Y2K computer bug that is applicable to all databases.

The revolutionary solution, for which patents have been applied in the US,
compresses four digits for the 21st century into two symbols, without
interfering with any years from the 20th century. It accomplishes this by
using special
algorithms for expanding two symbols into four digits and compressing four
digits into two symbols.

The achievement belongs to Ben-Etzion Yaron, head of manpower and payroll
in the Hebrew University's department of computerized information systems.
It has
already proven itself in checking for and fixing computer bugs in the
department's
listing of faculty sabbaticals scheduled for the 21st century.

Yaron received a Kaye Prize for Innovation from the HU last June for a
program
that identifies the bugs in programs running only on VAX computers.
Realizing that this limitation would restrict the use of his invention, he
worked day and
night over the past two months to expand the application to all computers
and computer
languages. The only Y2K bugs it cannot fix, he said, are those in computer
components embedded in equipment, such as medical devices.

The result of his work is Sapir 2000, which makes possible the analysis of
computer programs written in COBOL, used in the 1970s and '80s for
databases that its
developers thought would be abandoned by the end of the century but
remained,
with repairs over the years, to cause the Y2K bug.

Yaron's invention can even identify errors in other programs that have
already been revamped to cope with Y2K and make corrections, thus providing
a kind of
'second opinion' to ensure that chaos does not ensue after January 1. Sapir
2000
can also be applied to other situations requiring expansion of existing
information to
incorporate additional digits.

It is estimated that the time needed by Yaron's program to make databases
compatible with the next century is 15 percent-20% of the time required
using other solutions.

Yaron said his program would not become obsolete after January 1. Many
programming errors will appear for years afterward, he explained, 'and
Sapir 2000 is extremely flexible so it will deal with problems that we
can't even realize
today.'

HU vice president and director-general Moshe Vigdor said that the
university's
research and development arm, Yissum, has signed a contract with Magic
Software
Enterprises, an international firm that supplies computerized solutions for

companies.

Magic's local subsidiary is MSE-Israel, whose president and CEO Jack
Dunietz and managing director Oren Inbar were present at yesterday's
unveiling of Sapir
2000. MSE-Israel will initially market and distribute the new product in
Israel
and, if all goes well, the product will be sold worldwide, mainly via the
Internet.

Inbar said that potential customers may ask MSE-Israel to convert parts of
programs on a trial basis free and pay only if they are satisfied and want
more work done. MSE- Israel has decided to donate $100,000 worth of
development kits, study material, lectures, and consultancies to HU to
promote advancement of
students at its new School of Engineering and Computer Sciences, which is
due to open its academic year next month on the Givat Ram campus.

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SEPTEMBER 22, 13:00 EDT
Small Bomb Explodes at Florida A&M

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) — A small pipe bomb exploded today in a restroom at
Florida A&M University, the second blast in less than a month at the
historically black school.

No injuries were reported. Damage seemed minor and there was no fire, said
fire Capt. Cindy Dick.

The bomb went off on the first floor of Perry Page Hall, which has four
floors of laboratories, offices, classrooms and the Navy ROTC office.

Page Hall and two nearby buildings were evacuated, said university
spokesman Eddie Jackson.

Jackson said today's explosion appeared to be bigger than an Aug. 31 blast
that did minor damage in a first-floor men's room at an administrative
building. No one was injured.

In that case, a caller gave a warning 10 minutes before the blast, using a
racial slur and indicating he wanted to ``get rid of'' some of the people
at the college.
Authorities would not immediately say if there was a warning call today.
A $10,000 reward was offered after the first bombing.

``Everyone is pretty upset,'' said senior Olevia Robinson. ``The next time
someone might definitely get hurt.''

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[CTRL] Y2K May Spark Downturn - U.S. Senate Panel

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Wednesday September 22 2:56 PM ET
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990922/ts/yk_days_1.html
Y2K May Spark Downturn - U.S. Senate Panel
Full Coverage U.S. Economy
By Jim Wolf

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Year 2000 computer glitch is likely to trigger
international supply-chain disruptions that may end more than eight
straight years of U.S. economic growth, a Senate panel studying the problem
said Wednesday.

With 100 days left to the year change, the Special Committee on the Year
2000 Technology Problem said it was ``greatly concerned'' about the
international Y2K picture for strategic as well as economic reasons.

``Severe long- and short-term disruptions to supply chains are likely to
occur'' as a result of Y2K-related system failures, it said in its 288-page
report.

``Such disruptions may cause a low-to-moderate downturn in the economy,
particularly in industries that depend on foreign suppliers,'' the panel
said. The U.S. economy, a locomotive for the world, has been expanding
since March 1991.

But John Koskinen, President Clinton's chief adviser on Y2K, said he
expected Y2K to have no ``significant'' impact on the U.S. economy, citing
what he called a consensus of forecasters.

At worst, Y2K-related tangles might shave one or two tenths of a percentage
point off U.S. economic growth in the first quarter of 2000, he said in a
telephone interview with Reuters.

Most of U.S. trade was with developed countries, ``and they're doing
relatively well'' in preparing, Koskinen added.

``While the committee has become increasingly confident about U.S. Y2K
preparedness, it has become increasingly concerned about international
preparedness,'' said the report, the panel's last before the clocks tick
over to 2000.

At issue is the coding glitch that could cause older computers and embedded
chips to mistake 2000 for 1900 starting Jan. 1. Unless fixed, this could
play havoc with everything from cash machines to telephones to power grids.


GREATEST OVERSEAS CONCERNS

The committee listed its greatest concerns as China, Russia, Italy plus a
handful of U.S. oil suppliers: Venezuela, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Colombia
and Kuwait.

``Several important U.S. trading partners are severely behind in addressing
the Y2K problem ... and are not likely to avoid significant disruptions,''
the report said.

Other countries' Y2K-related problems may wash up on U.S. shores ``in the
form of recession, lost jobs or requests for international assistance,'' it
added.

Committee Chairman Robert Bennett, a Utah Republican, cited a ``strong
possibility'' that Y2K would tip the rest of the world, along with the
United States, into a ``slight economic downturn.''

In addition, Bennett foresaw a ``slight'' possibility of a global recession
-- at least two straight quarters of negative growth -- due to Y2K-related
disruptions, committee spokesman Don Meyer said in an e-mail reply to a
query from Reuters.

At a news conference, Bennett compared Y2K's potential domestic fallout
with the harm to U.S. farmers sparked by the Asian economic crisis that
began in Thailand in July 1997. Prices for many U.S. crops are at their
lowest in decades because of huge supplies and weak foreign demand.

``I think that would be the model that we could look to as to what could
happen,'' he said. ``But there is no really reliable model because the
world has never gone through anything like this before.''

U.S. SHORTCOMINGS

The committee, which has held about 30 hearings and heard testimony from
more than 150 witnesses, voiced deep concerns about the lack readiness of
U.S. health care facilities, state and local government operations, schools
and small businesses.

In addition, it said local and regional power outages remained a ``distinct
possibility'' in some parts of the United States. Both Koskinen and the
chief trade group for U.S. electricity suppliers disputed this assessment.

All available data suggest any Y2K-related outages ``will be highly
localized and of short duration,'' said John Castagna of the Edison
Electric Institute, which represents most major electricity suppliers.
Panel vice chairman Christopher Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut, said a major
U.S. concern remained the Medicaid system, the combined federal and state
health-care program for the poor, elderly and disabled. It ``still needs
some work in about 23 to 25 states,'' he said.

The panel also highlighted fears about possible ``trap doors'' that could
have been stitched into the millions of lines of U.S. computer codes
overhauled overseas to clean up Y2K issues.

If a ``trap door'' were inserted into key network software under the cloak
of a Y2K repair, for instance, an adversary could gain access for years
without anyone being the wiser, the panel said.

ITALY CITED AS CONCERN

The panel cited Italy as a particular concern, partly because of the
throngs expected to converge on the Vatican to mark the 2,000th anniversary
of the birth of Christ.

Specific areas of concern are

[CTRL] SANTA AND THE SOLDIER - Peom

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Subject: Fwd: SANTA AND THE SOLDIER
>
>>> WAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS,
>>> HE LIVED ALL ALONE,
>>> IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE MADE OF
>>> PLASTER AND STONE.
>>>
>>> I HAD COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY
>>> WITH PRESENTS TO GIVE,
>>> AND TO SEE JUST WHO
>>> IN THIS HOME DID LIVE.
>>>
>>> I LOOKED ALL ABOUT,
>>> A STRANGE SIGHT I DID SEE,
>>> NO TINSEL, NO PRESENTS,
>>> NOT EVEN A TREE.
>>>
>>> NO STOCKING BY MANTLE,
>>> JUST BOOTS FILLED WITH SAND,
>>> ON THE WALL HUNG PICTURES
>>> OF FAR DISTANT LANDS.
>>>
>>> WITH MEDALS AND BADGES,
>>> AWARDS OF ALL KINDS,
>>> A SOBER THOUGHT
>>> CAME THROUGH MY MIND.
>>>
>>> FOR THIS HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT,
>>> IT WAS DARK AND DREARY,
>>> I FOUND THE HOME OF A SOLDIER,
>>> ONCE I COULD SEE CLEARLY.
>>>
>>> THE SOLDIER LAY SLEEPING,
>>> SILENT, ALONE,
>>> CURLED UP ON THE FLOOR
>>> IN THIS ONE BEDROOM HOME.
>>>
>>> THE FACE WAS SO GENTLE,
>>> NOT HOW I PICTURED
>>> A UNITED STATES SOLDIER.
>>>
>>> WAS THIS THE HERO
>>> OF WHOM I'D JUST READ?
>>> CURLED UP ON A PONCHO,
>>> THE FLOOR FOR A BED?
>>>
>>> I REALIZED THE FAMILIES
>>> THAT I SAW THIS NIGHT,
>>> OWED THEIR LIVES TO THESE SOLDIERS
>>> WHO WERE WILLING TO FIGHT.
>>>
>>> SOON ROUND THE WORLD,
>>> THE CHILDREN WOULD PLAY,
>>> AND GROWNUPS WOULD CELEBRATE
>>> A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS DAY.
>>>
>>> THEY ALL ENJOYED FREEDOM
>>> EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR,
>>> BECAUSE OF THE SOLDIERS,
>>> LIKE THE ONE LYING HERE.
>>>
>>> I COULDN'T HELP WONDER
>>> HOW MANY LAY ALONE,
>>> ON A COLD CHRISTMAS EVE
>>> IN A LAND FAR FROM HOME.
>>>
>>> THE VERY THOUGHT
>>> BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE,
>>> I DROPPED TO MY KNEES
>>> AND STARTED TO CRY.
>>>
>>> THE SOLDIER AWAKENED
>>> AND I HEARD A ROUGH VOICE,
>>> "SANTA DON'T CRY,
>>> THIS LIFE IS MY CHOICE;
>>>
>>> I FIGHT FOR FREEDOM,
>>> I DON'T ASK FOR MORE,
>>> MY LIFE IS MY GOD,
>>> MY COUNTRY, MY CORPS."
>>>
>>> THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER
>>> AND DRIFTED TO SLEEP,
>>> I COULDN'T CONTROL IT,
>>> I CONTINUED TO WEEP.
>>>
>>> I KEPT WATCH FOR HOURS,
>>> SO SILENT AND STILL
>>> AND WE BOTH SHIVERED
>>> FROM THE COLD NIGHT'S CHILL.
>>>
>>> I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE
>>> ON THAT COLD, DARK, NIGHT,
>>> THIS GUARDIAN OF HONOR
>>> SO WILLING TO FIGHT.
>>>
>>> THEN THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER,
>>> WITH A VOICE SOFT AND PURE,
>>> WHISPERED, "CARRY ON SANTA,
>>> IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY, ALL IS SECURE."
>>>
>>> ONE LOOK AT MY WATCH,
>>> AND I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT.
>>> "MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FRIEND,
>>> AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT."
>>>
>>> This poem was written by a Marine stationed in Okinawa Japan. The
>>> following is his request. I think it is reasonable.
>>>
>>>   PLEASE. Would you do me the kind favor of sending this to as many
>>> people as you can? Christmas will be coming soon and some credit is due
to
>>> our U.S. service men and women for our being able to celebrate these
>>> festivities.  Let's try in this small way to pay a tiny bit of what we
>>> owe. Make people stop and think of our heroes, living and dead, who
>>> sacrificed themselves for us. Please, do your small part to plant this
>>> small seed
>

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[CTRL] HOW MUCH DOES PRAYER WEIGH??

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HOW MUCH DOES PRAYER WEIGH??

Louise Redden, a poorly dressed lady with a look of defeat on her
face, walked into a grocery store. She approached the owner of
the store in a most humble manner and asked if he would let her
charge a few groceries. She softly explained that her husband was
very ill and unable to work, they had seven children and they
needed food.

John Longhouse, the grocer, scoffed at her and requested that she
leave his store. Visualizing the family needs, she said: "Please,
sir! I will bring you the money just as soon as I can." John told
her he could not give her credit, because she did not have a
charge account at his store.

Standing beside the counter was a customer who overheard the
conversation between the two. The customer walked forward and
told the grocerman that he would stand good for whatever she
needed for her family. The grocerman said in a very reluctant
voice, "Do you have a grocery list?"

Louise replied, "Yes sir."

"O.K., " he said, "...put your grocery list on the scales
and whatever your grocery list weighs, I will give you
that amount in groceries."

Louise hesitated a moment with a bowed head, then she reached
into her purse and took out a piece of paper and scribbled
something on it. She then laid the piece of paper on the scale
carefully with her head still bowed. The eyes of the grocerman
and the customer showed amazement when the scales went down and
stayed down.

The grocerman staring at the scales, turned slowly to the
customer and said begrudgingly, "I can't believe it." The
customer smiled and the grocerman started putting the groceries
on the other side of the scales. The scale did not balance so he
continued to put more and more groceries on them until the scales
would hold no more. The grocerman stood there in utter disgust.

Finally, he grabbed the piece of paper from the scales and looked
at it with greater azement. It was not a grocery list, it was a
prayer which said: "Dear Lord, you know my needs and I am leaving
this in your hands."

The grocerman gave her the groceries that he had gathered and
placed on the scales and stood in stunned silence. Louise thanked
him and left the store. The customer handed a fifty-dollar bill
to John as he said, "It was worth every penny of it." It was
sometime later that John Longhouse discovered the scales were
broken; therefore, only God knows how much a prayer weighs.

POWER OF PRAYER
When you receive this, say a prayer. That's all you're asked
to do.  There is nothing attached. This is powerful. Then send
this on. Prayer is one of
the best free gifts we receive. There is no cost but a lot of
rewards. Let's continue praying for one another.

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[CTRL] Humor: Bill Clinton and How He Got That Way

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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CommentMax
Bill Clinton and How He Got That Way



All Rights Reserved © NewsMax.com
Norman Liebmann
November 11, 1999

In order to understand more poignantly Bill Clinton's character, it is
useful to recall the ancestors whose blood flows in his veins. Here is a
list of some of Bill Clinton's antecedents, and the quotations by which
they are best remembered and defined. Conclusions are irresistible:

NATHAN HALE CLINTON: "My only regret is that I have but one pair of pants
to drop for my country."

JOHN PAUL JONES CLINTON: "I have not yet begun to fight and I plan to keep
it that way."

SAM HOUSTON CLINTON: "It may be the Alamo to you, but it looks like just
another Taco Bell to me."

PAUL REVERE CLINTON:"I hear the British are coming. Are my lips on
straight?"

GENERAL WILLIAM TECUMSEH SHERMAN CLINTON: "War is hell, but let's face it,
nobody gives a shit about the Serbians."

JACK FROST CLINTON: "Excuse me, Miss, I thought that was your nose I was
nipping at."

PATRICK HENRY CLINTON: "Give me liberty, or give me penicillin."

GENERAL JOHN J. PERSHING CLINTON: "Tell Lafayette if I'm not there, go
ahead without me."

ABRAHAM LINCOLN CLINTON: "The world will little note nor long remember what
we say here, but you can bet some broad will tell a friend and next thing
you know, it will be all over Gettysburg."

CAPTAIN EDWARD SMITH CLINTON: (as his ship, the Titanic, went down) "Bimbos
and lobbyists first!"

PINOCCHIO CLINTON: "I'm going to say this one more time. I did not have sex
with that woman, Mrs. Gepetto."

SHERIFF OF NOTTINGHAM CLINTON: "The only things that are sure are death and
taxes, but if I get my way about only one, you can bet it will be taxes.

EDUCATOR JOHN HARVARD CLINTON: "How should I know? Go look it up."

GENERAL DWIGHT DAVID EISENHOWER CLINTON: (to his troops before the invasion
of Normandy): "I had hoped to go with you."

ADMIRAL CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS CLINTON: Swim over to the Pinta and find out
if anyone aboard has a Dramamine."

SIR FRANCIS DRAKE CLINTON: "When the Spanish Armada arrives, sneak the crew
over the border and register them as Democrats."

O.J. CLINTON: "I never saw such a fuss over a sore throat."

FREDERICK DOUGLASS CLINTON: "Will somebody please tell me what the "n" word
that people keep referring to is."

NEIL ARMSTRONG CLINTON: "One small step for man, one giant rip-off for the
Clinton/Gore Campaign."

ADOLPH HITLER CLINTON: "The fact that nobody in Arkansas wears shoes does
not necessarily mean they're not Aryans."

SIR EDMUND HILLARY CLINTON: "Whose idea was this? I'm freezing my ass off!"


ADMIRAL DAVID FARRAGUT CLINTON: "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead! Let
me know how it works out. I'll be in the Officers Club."  "GAY"

ADMIRAL PERRY CLINTON: "We have met the enemy and they are fun."

F. LEE CLINTON: "Don't ask. Don't tell. Don't testify."

GEORGIE WASHINGTON CLINTON: (At age nine) "I cannot tell a lie. I did not
have sex with that cherry tree."

FLETCHER CHRISTIAN CLINTON: "Who's for shuffleboard?"

WILLIAM PRESCOTT CLINTON: (to the White House Press Corps) "Don't quote
until you see the whites of my lies."

ADMIRAL RICHARD BYRD CLINTON: "Anybody here know how to get it on with a
penguin?"

FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT CLINTON: "We have nothing to ooze but ooze
itself."

ST. PAUL CLINTON: "The wages of sin is herpes."

CARRY NATION CLINTON: "I drank booze once, but I didn't swallow."

ELI WHITNEY CLINTON: Why didn't someone tell me that white stuff is cotton.
I've been trying to shove it up my nose."

VIRGIN MARY CLINTON: I'm thinking of putting him up for adoption."

WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON: "The coward dies a million deaths ... unless he
gets an educational deferment."  Norman Liebmann is a former Television
writer (Johnny Carson, Dean Martin; wrote and produced Chico and the Man,
and created the characters for The Munsters (who are all named after his
relatives) and a brilliant and insightful columnist/humorist. Please visit
his website Firehat, a treasure trove of Clinton and Media bashing.
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[CTRL] Humor: Why God never received a PhD

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Why God never received a PhD

1.. He had only one major publication.
2.. It was in Hebrew.
3.. It had no references.
4.. It wasn't published in a refereed journal.
5.. Some even doubt he wrote it by himself.
6.. It may be true that he created the world, but what has he done since
then?
7.. His cooperative efforts have been quite limited.
8.. The scientific community has had a hard time replicating his results.
9.. He never applied to the ethics board for permission to use human
subjects.
10.. When one experiment went awry he tried to cover it by drowning his
subjects.
11.. When subjects didn't behave as predicted, he deleted them from the
sample.
12.. He rarely came to class, just told students to read the book.
13.. Some say he had his son teach the class.
14.. He expelled his first two students for learning.
15.. Although there were only 10 requirements, most of his students failed
his tests.
16.. His office hours were infrequent and usually held on a mountain top.
17.. No record of working well with colleagues.

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[CTRL] Humor: WHAT IF GOD HAD VOICE MAIL?

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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  WHAT IF GOD HAD VOICE MAIL?

  We have all learned to live with voice mail as a necessary part of
  modern life.  But you may have wondered What if God decided to install
  voicemail?

  Imagine praying and hearing this:

  Thank you for calling My Father's House.
  Please select one of the following options:

  Press 1 for GENERAL REQUESTS
  Press 2 for THANKSGIVING
  Press 3 for COMPLAINTS
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  Press 9 for ALL OTHER INQUIRIES
  Press 0 for this to all begin again

  What if God used the familiar excuse..."I'm sorry, all the angels
are helping other customers right now.  Please stay on the line.  Your
  call is important to us and will be answered in the order it was
received."

  Can you imagine getting these kinds of responses as you call God in
  prayer:

  "If you would like to speak to:

  Gabriel, Press 11.
  For Michael, Press 22.

  For a directory of other Archangels, Press 33."
  For a directory of Seraphim and Cherubim, Press 44

  If you'd like to hear King David sing a Psalm while you are
holding, please press 55, And then wait for the beep and then enter the
Number
  of the Psalm.

  To find out if a loved one has been assigned to Heaven, Press 66,
  enter His/her social security number, then press the pound (#) key, then
  date of Birth, then press the pound (#) key twice.

  For reservations in one of the Many Mansions, press the letters
  J-O-H-N, then 3-1-6.

  For answers to nagging questions about dinosaurs, the age of the
  earth, where Noah's Ark is, Darwin, Hitler, the Pope, abortion, and UFO's
  please wait until you arrive here, they can only be understood from a
  "heavenly perspective".

  Lucifer, Press 666, and your call will be automatically transferred.

  Our computers show that you have already called once today.

  Please hang up and try again tomorrow.

  This office is closed for the weekend.

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Sunday #1

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--
> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> # 'Y2K: THE MOVIE' - NEW YEAR MEETS MURPHY'S LAW. The premise behind
NBC's
>   Sunday-night special, "Y2K: The Movie," is simple: If everything can go
>   wrong, it will. Murphy's Law is the star of this show, a fictional
account
>   of coming Y2K havoc that includes food and cash shortages, power
outages,
>   a plane falling out of the sky, even a prison riot. Never mind all
those
>   pronouncements from govt and the private sector that widespread mishaps
>   are unlikely. The movie devises as many as it can. "Paranoia is our
most
>   important product" - see http://cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/TV/9911/18/nbc.y2k.ap/

Having watched this movie last night I don't see what all the uproar was
about.  This flick was too boring for words and in MHO had a zero
fear-factor.  Ken Orlin as the mighty hero limped and whined his way
through a tedious and predicable plot.  The only thing believable about
this movie was the be-glittered teenage daughter who had a penchant for
sneaking out at night, playing one parent against the other, and basically
doing a GREAT job of expressing adolescence in that annoying way that teens
are apt to do.  My overall rating for this movie:  One Big Yawn.

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4

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> From: "Ric Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> # Tape: Call on JFK wasn't Oswald. WASHINGTON (AP) Hours after Pres.
Kennedy
>   was assassinated, FBI agents reportedly listened to a tape of a phone
call
>   that a man identifying himself as "Lee Oswald" had placed to the Soviet
>   Embassy in Mexico City. They made a startling discovery: The voice on
the
>   tape was not Oswald's, govt records say. This controversial tape has
been
>   a question mark in the assassination investigation since JFK was
killed.
>   The assassination occurred 36 years ago Monday & only now have new
details
>   about the tape come to light. CIA said years ago that the tapes on
which
>   it recorded the call were erased. Documents released in recent years
said
>   otherwise.

And bets on the date the press release will come out stating that the above
information is incorrect?

> # Phone-sex operator wins masturbation injury claim. The woman, 40, said
she
>   developed carpal tunnel syndrome in both hands from masturbating as
often
>   as 7 times daily doing hot-chat with callers. She'll get benefits for
the
>   injuries. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991119/13/fl-life-phonesex

I'm speechless...

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

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>
> From: "Ric Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> SkeptiNews 991123a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To
Question

> # TIMELESS. Surely nothing is possible without time? But a physicist sez
it
>   doesn't even exist. (NewSci) TIME SEEMS TO BE the most powerful force,
an
>   irresistible river carrying us from birth to death. To most people it's
an
>   inescapable part of life, a fundamental element of the Universe. But
time
>   may be an illusion. Physicists struggling to unify quantum mechanics
and
>   Einstein's general theory of relativity have found hints that the
Universe
>   is timeless. http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991016/timeless.html

Humanity does tend to equate time with degeneration which, in fact, are two
separate issues.  Got about halfway through the article and lost my
time-space coordinates...

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

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> From: "Ric Carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> * Nothing was done to produce this bulletin. It spontaneously
coalesced...

Another blackout?

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

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--
> From: Tatman, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Out of the phlogiston, like maggots appearing spontaneously on rotten
meat
> in a vacuum jar?

Robert, sometimes your mind seems a very scary place to be...:-)

Hilary

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[CTRL] $$$ Utopiad Up and Running

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Hi,

The Utopiad software (Cashbar) is ready to be downloaded.  This is similar
to AllAdvantage.  Utopiad is now paying cash to view ads.

Go to:
http://www.utopiad.com/member/getPaid?refld=161855

Hilary

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[CTRL] Funny

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A man was getting a haircut prior to a trip to Rome. He mentioned the
trip to the barber who responded, "Rome? Why would anyone want to go there?
 It's
crowded and dirty and full of Italians. You're crazy to go to Rome.  So,
how are you getting there?"

"We're taking TWA," was the reply. "We got a great rate!"

"TWA?" exclaimed the barber. "That's a terrible airline. Their planes are
old, their flight attendants are ugly, and they're always late. So, where
are you staying in Rome?"

"We'll be at the downtown International Marriott."

"That dump! That's the worst hotel in the city. The rooms are small, the
service is surly and they're overpriced. So, whatcha doing when you get
there?"

"We're going to go to see the Vatican and we hope to see the Pope."

"That's rich," laughed the barber. "You and a million other people trying
to see him. He'll look the size of an ant. Boy, good luck on this lousy
trip of yours. You're going to need it."

A month later, the man again came in for his regular haircut. The barber
asked him about his trip to Rome.

"It was wonderful," explained the man. "Not only were we on time in one of
TWA's brand new planes, but it was overbooked and they bumped us up to
first class. The food and wine were wonderful, and I had a beautiful 28
year  old stewardess who waited on me hand and foot. And the hotel-it was
great! They'd just finished a $25
million remodeling job and now it's the finest hotel in the city. They,
too, were
overbooked, so they apologized and gave us the presidential suite at no
extra charge.

"You didn't see the pope, of course."

"Actually, we were quite lucky, for as we toured the Vatican, a Swiss Army
Guard tapped me on the shoulder and explained that the pope likes to
personally meet some of the visitors, and if I'd be so kind as to step into
his private room and wait, the pope would personally greet me. Sure
enough, five minutes later the pope walked through the door and shook my
hand!  I knelt down as he spoke a few words to me."

"Really?" asked the Barber. "What'd he say?"

He said, "Where'd you get the shitty haircut?

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[CTRL] U.S., U.N. Posts Watch For Bin Laden Attacks

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U.S., U.N. Posts Watch For Bin Laden Attacks
By Colum Lynch
http://washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-11/24/070l-112499-idx.html
Special to The Washington Post
Wednesday, November 24, 1999; Page A20

UNITED NATIONS, Nov. 23—The State Department and the United Nations are
tightening security at their outposts in Pakistan and throughout Central
Asia after receiving warnings that Islamic militants with links to Osama
bin Laden may be planning attacks in the region, U.S. and U.N. officials
said today.

An internal memo circulated by the office of the U.N.'s security
coordinator, Benon Sevan of Cyprus, cited "reliable reports" that
supporters of the Saudi militant might attack U.S. or U.N. targets in
Pakistan, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan or Turkmenistan
in retaliation for trade sanctions imposed by the U.N. against Afghanistan.


"We have good information that U.S. and U.N. interests could be attacked by
supporters of bin Laden," a U.N. staff member told senior officials at a
security briefing Monday, according to a participant in the closed-door
meeting.

Bin Laden, who is living in Afghanistan under the protection of its ruling
Taliban militia, has been indicted by a New York grand jury on charges of
conspiracy and murder in the August 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Kenya
and Tanzania, which killed more than 220 people. The United States has
offered a $5 million reward for information leading to his arrest.

Trade sanctions went into effect last week after the Taliban refused to
expel bin Laden. The sanctions, which call on U.N. members to freeze the
Taliban's foreign assets and bar all flights by the Taliban's airline, were
approved by a unanimous vote of the U.N. Security Council's 15 member
nations, including China and Russia.

While the memo and the briefing provided no details on the source of the
warnings, officials said Sevan's office was taking them seriously enough to
place U.N. relief workers in the region on alert and to hold down their
numbers. There are now about 40 U.N. relief workers in Afghanistan.

On Nov. 12, the State Department also reminded U.S. embassies around the
world that sanctions against the Taliban were going into effect and urged
all posts to "review their security situation and take additional measures
if necessary," according to a State Department spokesman.

That day, militants fired rocket-propelled grenades at the U.S. Embassy and
the U.N.'s local headquarters in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital.
Protesters subsequently attacked several U.N. facilities in Afghanistan,
including an office in the town of Farah that was burned to the ground.
Last week, however, the Taliban's leader, Mohammad Omar, appealed to the
Afghan public to halt the demonstrations against the United Nations. The
U.N., in turn, began to consider increasing its relief work. "What we might
need to do is freeze that," a U.N. official said today. "The U.N. staff
members in Afghanistan were resuming normal duty. Then we get this memo."

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[CTRL] Humor: Answers to 6th grade history test: (These are GREAT!)

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Answers to 6th grade history test:

1. Ancient Egypt was inhabited by mummies and they all wrote
in hydraulics. They lived in the Sarah Dessert. The climate of the
Sarah is such that the inhabitants have to live elsewhere.

2. The Bible is full of interesting caricatures. In the first book
of the Bible, Guinessis, Adam and Eve were created from an apple tree.
One of their children, Cain, asked, "Am I my brother's son?"

3. Moses led the Hebrew slaves to the Red Sea, where they made
leavened bread, which is bread made without any ingredients. Moses
went up on Mount Cyanide to get the ten commandments. He died before
he ever reached Canada.

4. Solomom had three hundred wives and seven hundred porcupines.

5. The Greeks were a highly sculptured people, and without them
we wouldn't have history. The Greeks also had myths. A myth is a
female moth.

6. Actually, Homer was not written by Homer but by another man of
that name.

7. Socrates was a famous Greek teacher who went around giving
people advice. They killed him. Socrates died from an overdose of
wedlock.  After his death, his career suffered a dramatic decline.

8. In the Olympic games, Greeks ran races, jumped, hurled biscuits,
and threw the java.

9. Eventually, the Romans conquered the Greeks. History calls
people Romans, because they never stayed in one place for very long.

10. Julius Caesar extinguished himself on the battlefields of Gaul.
The Ides of March murdered him because they thought he was going to be
made king. Dying, he gasped out: "Tee hee, Brutus"

11. Nero was a cruel tyranny who would torture his subjects by
playing the fiddle to them.

12. Joan of Arc was burnt to a steak and was cannonized by Bernard
Shaw.

13. Finally Magna Carta provided that no man should be hanged twice
 for the same offense.

14. In midevil times most people were alliterate. The greatest writer
of the futile ages was Chaucer, who wrote many poems and verses and
also wrote literature.

15. Another story was William Tell, who shot an arrow through an
apple while standing on his son's head.

16. Queen Elizabeth was the "Virgin Queen." As a queen she was
a success.  When she exposed herself before her troops they all
shouted "hurrah"

 17. It was an age of great inventions and discoveries.
Gutenberg invented removable type and the Bible. Another important
invention was the circulation of blood. Sir Walter Raleigh is a
historical figure because he invented cigarettes and started smoking.
And Sir Francis Drake circumcised the world with a 100-foot clipper.

18. The greatest writer of the Renaissance was William Shakespeare.
He was born in the year 1564, supposedly on his birthday. He never
made much money and is famous only because of his plays. He wrote
tagedies, comedies, and hysterectomies, all in Islamic pentameter.
Romeo and Juliet are an example of a heroicouplet. Romeo's last wish
was to be laid by Juliet.

19. Writing at the same time as Shakespeare was Miguel Cervantes.
He wrote Donkey Hote. The next great author was John Milton. Milton
wrote Paradise  Lost. Then his wife died and he wrote Paradise
Regained.

20. During the Renaissance, America began. Christopher Columbus
was a great navigator who discovered America while cursing about the
Atlantic.  His ships were called the Nina, the Pinta, and the Santa Fe.

21. Later, the Pilgrims crossed the ocean, and this was
called Pilgrim's Progress. The winter of 1620 was a hard one for the
settlers.  Many died and many babies were born. Captain John Smith was
responsible for all this.

22. One of the causes of the Revolutionary War was the English
put tacks in their tea. Also, the colonists would send their parcels
through the post without stamps. Finally the colonists won the War and
no longer had to pay for taxis.

23. Delegates from the original 13 states formed the
Contented Congress. Thomas Jefferson, a Virgin, and Benjamin Franklin
were two singers of the Declaration of Independence. Franklin
discovered electricity by rubbing two cats backwards and declared, "A
horse divided against itself cannot stand."  Franklin died in 1790 and
is still dead.

24. Soon the Constitution of the United States was adopted to
secure domestic hostility. Under the constitution the people enjoyed
the right to keep bare arms.

25. Abraham Lincoln became America's greatest Precedent.
Lincoln's mother died in infancy, and he was born in a log cabin which
he built with his own hands. Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves by
signing the Emasculation Proclamation. On the night of April 14, 1865,
Lincoln went to the theater and got shot in his seat by one of the
actors in a moving picture show.  The believed assinator was John
Wilkes Booth, a supposingly insane actor. This ruined Booth's career.

26. Meanwhile in Europe, the enlightenment was a reasonable
time.  Voltaire invented electricity and also wrote a book called
Candy.

Gravity was invented by Issac Walton. It is chiefly noticeable in
the autumn when the apples are 

[CTRL] Humor: The Ten Commandments of Government

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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From: "J.J. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The Ten Commandments of Government
(..if only they had their way)

Written By J.J. Johnson - 11/21/99

.. And lo, he walketh up to Capitol Hill, and the Government spake all
these
words, saying:

1 We are your Government, which have brought thee into the economic house
of
bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before me. Especially in schools,
and
non-501(c3) churches.

2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image of Government, or any
likeness of any thing that is graven about government, no matter how graven
it really is. Thou shalt  bow down thyself to us, and serve us. For we are
the Government, and we're here to help thee.

3. Thou shalt not take the name of the thy Government in vain: for the
Courts will not hold him guiltless that taketh this name in vain. Ye shalt
be eternally labeled as anti-government.

4. Remember the sabbath day, and keepeth the receipts. Six days shalt thou
labor, and do all thy work, but the seventh day is thy day to nurse thy
hangover, hide part of thy taxes in a church plate (we'll find it anyway),
and watch us parade a bunch of liars on the morning talking-head shows. We
are the Government. Everything is under control.

5. Honor thy President, his wife, and his mistress(es);  that thy days may
be long upon the earth, and not found dead in Arkansas.

6. Thou shalt not kill, unless approved by thy Government, and with thy
Government's blessings.

7. Thou shalt not commit adultery, unless it's done in private among
consenting adults, on public time and money; and opinion polls show the
public doesn't really care.

8. Thou shall not steal. That's our department. We hateth the competition.

9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor, unless he is a
conservative, gun owner, smoker, SUV owner, or believes in the
Constitution.
If so, for Government's sake, bear all the false witness thy can!

10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's tax break, thou shalt not covet
thy
neighbor's privilege of being a Government employee, nor their agents, nor
their lawyers, nor their weapons, nor their arrogance, nor any thing that
is
thy Government's.

J.J. Johnson - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Coming weekend: "Letters From a Broken Heart" on www.jj-johnson.com

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2

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--
> From: Tatman, Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #2
> Date: Friday, November 26, 1999 1:55 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Perhaps we reincarnate into reverse time, and our future lives are
actually
> in the present-time past. Thus science-fiction writers are the only ones
who
> actually remember the past, which at the moment is still in the future.
Yep.

Would that be the time line when JR wasn't shot and the shower scene really
was dream?

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Phony Oswald in Mexico

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I can't open these files.  Can you send the text not as an attachment, but
within an email?

Thanks,

Hilary

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[CTRL] Despite international protests, Ukraine restarts Chernobyl

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Despite international protests, Ukraine restarts Chernobyl  Copyright ©
1999 Nando Media Copyright © 1999 Associated Press

By MARINA SYSOYEVA

KIEV, Ukraine (November 26, 1999 7:19 a.m. EST http://www.nandotimes.com) -
The Ukrainian authorities Friday restarted the last working nuclear reactor
at the Chernobyl power plant, ignoring strong international pressure to
shut it down.

Reactor No. 3 was restarted at 5:30 a.m. Friday after almost five months of
repairs. It was initially running at about 5 percent of capacity and was
gradually increasing its output, said a spokeswoman for the plant who
declined to give her name. She would not say when the reactor was expected
to reach full power.

Officials at Chernobyl insist that reactor No. 3 is safe and is free of any
potential Y2K bugs - the glitches where a computer might misread the last
two digits of a date and mistake the year 2000 for 1900.

Western governments and environmental groups have long urged Ukraine to
close the plant, and a 1995 agreement between Ukraine and the Group of
Seven leading industrialized nations said the plant should be closed by the
year 2000.

"We're completely opposed to restarting Chernobyl," Ben Pearson, an
anti-nuclear campaigner in the Amsterdam office of the environmental group
Greenpeace, said earlier this week. "Chernobyl is probably the most
dangerous reactor in the world."

The Ukrainian government says it is planning to shut down Chernobyl
sometime next year. But the government says it needs $1.2 billion from the
West to finish construction of two new reactors to replace the output that
will be lost by closing Chernobyl.

The European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, which has played a
leading role in the discussions on financing, was supposed to make a loan
decision in September. But it has taken no action, and other potential
lenders are expected to wait for the EBRD before they commit any money.

The Chernobyl plant originally had four working nuclear reactors. However,
reactor No. 4 exploded in April 1986, spewing radiation over much of
Europe. Ukrainian authorities have blamed 8,000 deaths on the world's
worst-ever nuclear accident.

That reactor has been encased in a steel-and-concrete sarcophagus, and the
two others have been permanently shut down. One was destroyed in the 1986
accident.

Meanwhile, workers have begun repairs on the sarcophagus, which was hastily
constructed after the accident to prevent additional radiation leaks. The
workers will strengthen the sarcophagus' concrete beams, working through
December from both inside and outside the huge structure.

Ukraine continues to operate 14 reactors at five power plants, which supply
about 40 percent of the country's energy. While some Ukrainians want to see
Chernobyl and other Soviet-designed nuclear plants shut, Ukrainian
authorities face much greater pressure from governments and environmental
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Re: [CTRL] Clinton's appeasement of N. Korea

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--
> From: Bill Richer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> It's this imminent threat that is either totally unrecognized by the
Clinton
> administration or, for reasons unknown, is being ignored.

You don't have far to look Bill.  China likes N. Korea...ring any bells?

Hilary

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[CTRL] Prosecutors arrest convicted murderer for making false claims of AIDS cure

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Did he or didn't he find a cure?  Burying technologies and advancements in
health care are common practice in our society.

Hilary

Prosecutors arrest convicted murderer for making false claims of AIDS cure
Copyright © 1999 Nando Media
Copyright © 1999 Associated Press
http://www.nandotimes.com/healthscience/story/0,1080,81804-129302-904500-0,0
0.html
By LARRY NEUMEISTER

NEW YORK (August 13, 1999 11:03 p.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - A
convicted murderer who heads a Nevada company has been arrested on
securities fraud charges after his company made several recent
announcements claiming to have developed a cure for AIDS, prosecutors said
Friday.

Alfred Flores, 49, president of New Technologies & Concepts Inc. in Las
Vegas, was arrested Thursday. The false claims sent the price of stock in
New Technologies' parent company, Uniprime Capital Acceptance Inc., to soar
from $1 a share to nearly $8 a share, prosecutors said.

The complaint, filed under seal Monday and unsealed Thursday, alleged that
New Technologies issued three news releases on Uniprime's Web site
describing "Plasma Plus."

On June 16, the company said Flores had "conducted tests on patients in
Madrid which have shown complete reversal from the immune system of the HIV
infection, with no reintroduction of the virus after a period of almost 18
months."

A July 19 news release said "Plasma Plus" had proven 100 percent successful
in eliminating the presence of HIV in patients, the complaint said.

There was no answer Friday at a telephone listed in Flores' name. There was
no phone listing for his company. A telephone message left at the parent
company, Uniprime Capital Acceptance, was not immediately returned.

If convicted, Flores could face a maximum of 10 years in prison and a fine
of $1 million.
He was in prison in Colorado from 1983 to September 1992 after a murder
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[CTRL] X-Files version of history is backed by CIA report

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ISSUE 1544 Tuesday 17 August 1999

X-Files version of history is backed by CIA report
By Michael Smith

THE CIA has released a secret history of its investigations into UFO
sightings, revealing that there was more truth in the popular television
series The X-Files than is often believed.

The highly critical report describes often bitter debates between real-life
X-Files investigators who believed that "the truth is out there" and their
sceptical bosses. It records tales of bumbling undercover agents whose
activities fuelled a widespread belief that the government was covering up
what the agency described as "extra-terrestrial visitations by intelligent
beings".

The problem was eventually passed to the agency's physics and electronics
division where in true X-Files style just one analyst investigated UFO
phenomena. But the Fifties equivalent of Fox Mulder was constantly
undermined by his boss, described by the CIA history as "a non-believer in
UFOs", who tried but failed to declare the project "inactive".

While the CIA investigations eventually concluded that all the sightings
could be explained, the report concludes that "misguided" attempts to keep
them secret led to widespread belief of a government cover-up.

The report, written by Gerald K Haines, the official CIA historian, was
commissioned by the then CIA director James Woolsey in 1993 in the wake of
renewed claims of a CIA-led cover-up. It calls for the first time on
documents that the agency hid from UFO enthusiasts who obtained thousands
of more mundane files under the Freedom of Information Act. The report,
completed in 1997, has been released at the request of the British academic
journal Intelligence and National Security and is published in its summer
issue this month.

US intelligence began investigating UFO sightings in 1947 when a pilot
claimed to have seen nine discs travelling at more than 1,000 mph in
Washington state. The claim was backed up by additional sightings including
reports from military and civilian pilots and air traffic controllers.

The first investigation, Operation Saucer, was carried out by US air
intelligence which initially feared that the objects might be Soviet
bombers. But some officers became convinced that UFOs existed and in a
top-secret report concluded many of the sightings were "interplanetary".
Air force chiefs had the report rewritten to conclude that "although visits
from outer space are deemed possible, they are believed to be very
unlikely".

The CIA initially dismissed the investigations as "midsummer madness". But
an agency committee decided they could be used by Moscow either to create
mass hysteria or to overload the air warning system, making it unable to
distinguish between UFOs and Soviet bombers.

In 1955, claims by two elderly sisters to have had contact with UFOs
attracted widespread publicity. A CIA agent describing himself as an air
force officer spoke to them and reported that he appeared to have stumbled
upon a scene from Arsenic and Old Lace. Analysis of a "code" which the
women believed aliens were using to make contact with them while they
listened to their favourite radio programme was morse code from a US radio
station.

But when UFO enthusiasts heard of the "air force" officer's visit they
became immediately suspicious that he was a member of the CIA trying to
cover up the affair. One enthusiast pursued the CIA conspiracy theory and
was visited by another CIA officer, who claimed to be in the air force and
even wore an air force uniform. The ruse failed, making the conspiracy
theorists even more suspicious.

The refusal to release 57 documents on the investigation in the Seventies,
to protect sources, also fuelled the cover-up theory, Haines concluded.


28 January 1999: [Connected] What the little green men say about scientists
8 July 1998: Scientists deride UFOs report
30 June 1998: Scientists call for inquiry on UFOs
24 November 1997: Clinton looked for evidence of UFOs

  © Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 1999. Terms & Conditions of
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Re: [CTRL] Starr to continue Clinton probes

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By all accounts from Starr, he does not want to continue the investigation
and undoubtedly will not.  Do you have reason to believe that he will?

Hilary

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> From: Bill Kingsbury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: [CTRL] Starr to continue Clinton probes
> Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:25 PM
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>  http://www.capitolhillblue.com/Aug1999/081999/starr081999.htm
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>  Panel tells Starr to continue probe

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[CTRL] National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2000

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FROM HTTP://THOMAS.LOC.GOV

S.1059

bill_s1059_sec1084 (http://www.infowars.com/bill_s1059_sec1084.htm)


National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2000 (Public Print)

COPIED 16 AUG, 1999

SEC. 1084. CHEMICAL AGENTS USED FOR DEFENSIVE TRAINING.

(a) AUTHORITY TO TRANSFER AGENTS- (1) The Secretary of Defense may transfer
to the Attorney General, in accordance with the Chemical Weapons
Convention, quantities of lethal chemical agents required to support
training at the Center for Domestic Preparedness in Fort McClellan,
Alabama. The quantity of lethal chemical agents transferred under this
section may not exceed that required to support training for emergency
first-response personnel in addressing the health, safety, and law
enforcement concerns associated with potential terrorist incidents that
might involve the use of lethal chemical weapons or agents, or other
training designated by the Attorney General.

(2) The Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Attorney General,
shall determine the amount of lethal chemical agents that shall be
transferred under this section. Such amount shall be transferred from
quantities of lethal chemical agents that are produced, acquired, or
retained by the Department of Defense.

(3) The Secretary of Defense may not transfer lethal chemical agents under
this section until--

(A) the Center referred to in paragraph (1) is transferred from the
Department of Defense to the Department of Justice; and
(B) the Secretary determines that the Attorney General is prepared to
receive such agents.

(4) To carry out the training described in paragraph (1) and other
defensive training not prohibited by the Chemical Weapons Convention, the
Secretary of Defense may transport lethal chemical agents from a Department
of Defense facility in one State to a Department of Justice or Department
of Defense facility in another State.

(5) Quantities of lethal chemical agents transferred under this section
shall meet all applicable requirements for transportation, storage,
treatment, and disposal of such agents and for any resulting hazardous
waste products.

(b) ANNUAL REPORT- The Secretary of Defense, in consultation with Attorney
General, shall report annually to Congress regarding the disposition of
lethal chemical agents transferred under this section.

(c) NON-INTERFERENCE WITH TREATY OBLIGATIONS- Nothing in this section may
be construed as interfering with United States treaty obligations under the
Chemical Weapons Convention.

(d) CHEMICAL WEAPONS CONVENTION DEFINED- In this section, the term
`Chemical Weapons Convention' means the Convention on the Prohibition of
the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on
Their Destruction, opened for signature on January 13, 1993.

SEC. 1085. RUSSIAN NONSTRATEGIC NUCLEAR ARMS.

(a) SENSE OF CONGRESS- It is the sense of Congress that--

(1) it is in the interest of Russia to fully implement the Presidential
Nuclear Initiatives announced in 1991 and 1992 by then-President of the
Soviet Union Gorbachev and then-President of Russia Yeltsin;

(2) the President of the United States should call on Russia to match the
unilateral reductions in the United States inventory of tactical nuclear
weapons, which have reduced the inventory by nearly 90 percent; and

(3) if the certification under section 1044 is made, the President should
emphasize the continued interest of the United States in working
cooperatively with Russia to reduce the dangers associated with Russia's
tactical nuclear arsenal.

(b) ANNUAL REPORTING REQUIREMENT- (1) Each annual report on accounting for
United States assistance under Cooperative Threat Reduction programs that
is submitted to Congress under section 1206 of Public Law 104-106 (110
Stat. 471; 22 U.S.C. 5955 note) after fiscal year 1999 shall include,
regarding Russia's arsenal of tactical nuclear warheads, the following:

(A) Estimates regarding current types, numbers, yields, viability,
locations, and deployment status of the warheads.
INFOWARS HOME 

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[CTRL] Computer for Sale

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Let me apologize first if it is inappropriate to post this for a friend of
mine.  It sounds like a good computer and someone on the list might be
interested.  In case anyone is concerned, I'm not getting any kickback for
this.  It's just a favor for a friend.

Hilary

The last great system!   Compaq Mod. 5192, 450 MHz Pentium ll processor (no
Pentium lll identifier #'s) 12 gig HardDrive 19 inch Compaq monitor with
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[CTRL] Humor: IF NOAH LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES, TODAY......

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IF NOAH LIVED IN THE UNITED STATES, TODAY..
>
>And the Lord spoke to Noah and said, "In one
> year, I am going to make it rain and cover the whole earth with water
>until all flesh is destroyed. But I want you to save the
>righteous people and two of every kind of  living thing onthe earth.
>Therefore, I am commanding you to
> build an Ark."
>
> In a flash of lightening, God delivered the specifications for an Ark.
>In fear and trembling, Noah took the
> plans and agreed to build the Ark. "Remember" said the
> Lord, "You must complete the Ark and bring everything
> aboard in one year.
>
>Exactly one year later, fierce storm cloud covered the
> earth and all the seas of the earth went into
> a tumult. The Lord saw Noah was sitting in his front yard
> weeping. "Noah,"He shouted. "Where is the Ark?"
>
>"Lord, please forgive me! cried Noah. "I did my best, but
>there were big problems. First, I had to get a permit for
> construction and your plans did not comply with the codes.
> I had to hire an engineering firm and redraw the plans.
> Then I got into a fight with OSHA over whether or not the
> Ark needed a fire sprinkler system and flotation devices.
>Then my neighbor objected, claiming I was violating zoning
>ordinances by building the Ark in my front yard, so I had to get a
>variance from the city planning
> commission.  I had problems getting enough wood for the Ark, because
>there was a ban on cutting trees to protect the SpottedOwl. I finally
>convinced the U.S. Forest
> Service that I needed the wood to save the owls. However, the
> Fish and Wildlife Service won't let me catch any owls.
> So, no owls.
>
>The carpenters formed a union and went out on
>strike. I had to negotiate a settlement with the National Labor. Now I
>have 16 carpenters on the Ark,
> but still no owls. When I started rounding up the other animals, got
>sued by an animal rights group. They objected
> to me only taking two of each kind aboard. Just when I
> got the suit dismissed, the EPA notified me that I could
>not complete the Ark without filing an environmental impact
> statement on your proposed flood. They didn't take very
> kindly to the idea that they had no jurisdiction over the conduct of
>the
>Creator of the universe.
>
>Then the Army Engineers demanded a map of the
>proposed new flood plain. I sent them a globe.
> Right now, I am trying to resolve a complaint filed with
> the Equal
>Employment Opportunity Commission that I am practicing
>discrimination by not taking godless,
> unbelieving people
>aboard!
>
>The IRS has seized my assets, claiming that
> I'm building the Ark in preparation to flee the
> country to avoid paying taxes. I just got a notice from
> the state that I owe them some kind of user tax and failed to
> register the Ark as a "recreational water craft."
>
>Finally, the ACLU got the courts to issue an
> injunction against further construction of the Ark,
> saying that since God is flooding the earth, it is a religious
> event and therefore unconstitutional. I really don't
> think I can finish the Ark for another 5 or 6 years!" Noah
> wailed.
>
>The sky began to clear, the sun began to shine and the
>seas began to calm. A rainbow arched across  the sky.
>Noah looked up hopefully. "You mean you are not going to destroy the
>earth Lord?"
>
>"No," said the Lord sadly. "I don't have to.
>The government already has."

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Re: [CTRL] Fwd: GPS systems may fail this weekend (fwd)

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So, did the GPS have any problems?

Hilary

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> From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] Fwd:  GPS systems may fail this weekend (fwd)
> Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 12:24 AM
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>
>

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[CTRL] Navigation bug fails to bite

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_427000/427204.stm

Sunday, August 22, 1999 Published at 10:03 GMT 11:03 UK

Navigation bug fails to bite

GPS receivers like this watch can give positions to within a few metres

Navigation systems seem to have survived the threat of a time bug.

It had been feared a problem similar to the millennium computer bug would
cause the Global Positioning System (GPS) to reset its timing devices,
widely used by aircraft, amateur yachtsmen and mountaineers.

Coastguards and emergency services worldwide remain on alert but by Sunday
morning few problems had been reported.

"Just a regular weekend. It's actually been a very slow day," said
coastguard Danny Phee in Long Beach, California.

The US Air Force said it was satisfied that the system was still operating
properly.

But problems were reported in Japan where a car navigator manufacturer
received about 600 complaints.

The electronic screens that help drivers find their route went blank or
flashed up strange symbols.

Pioneer Corp received about 600 calls on a special hotline, said spokesman
Hidehiko Shimizu.

Drivers were directed to the nearest repair shop, where their systems were
fixed for free.

The GPS network relies on more than 20 satellites to pinpoint the user's
whereabouts to within a few metres.

But in a millennium-style glitch the early satellites had a limited timing
device which ran out at midnight GMT on Saturday night and reset to zero.

Air Force Space Command said the so-called "end of week rollover" has
passed off successfully and the satellites orbiting 11,000 miles (17,700km)
above earth were continuing to function normally.

"Military and civilian GPS users worldwide can continue to depend on
accurate information from the GPS satellites," it said.

In a foretaste of the millennium bug that could hit thousands of computers
around the world at the end of the year, scientists did not know quite what
would happen when the satellites went back to zero.

It was feared old equipment might stop working or give wildly inaccurate
readings.

Sailors, pilots and outdoor sports enthusiasts across the world were urged
to check their GPS receivers before setting out on their journeys.

Many amateur outdoor sports enthusiasts, for example, have come to rely
almost entirely on the system originally developed by the US military for
targeting its missiles.

The US Federal Aviation Administration said it had also not received any
reports of pilots experiencing difficulty with their navigation equipment.

A US recreational boating organisation, Boat US, says anyone who is unsure
whether their receiver is rollover-compliant can check with the
manufacturer's specifications listed on their Website at www.boatus.com.

The US Coast Guard has also set up a Website at www.navcen.uscg.mil.

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[CTRL] N.Korea: 2nd Korean War Unavoidable

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N.Korea: 2nd Korean War Unavoidable
Sunday, August 22, 1999; 11:16 a.m. EDT

TOKYO (AP) -- Military exercises between the United States and South Korean
show the two allies' rising militarism, making a second Korean War
``unavoidable,'' North Korea said Sunday.

In recent days, Pyongyang has regularly said the 12-day joint exercises
could lead to war, but it had not called hostilities inevitable.

America and South Korea have been conducting war games to simulate a
coordinated response to a North Korean invasion as part of their annual
joint military exercises.

``The United States and South Korea are in a belligerent relationship,''
said an editorial in the Rodong Shinmun, the newspaper of the North's
ruling Workers' Party, monitored in Tokyo by the RadioPress News Agency.
``A second Korean War has become unavoidable.''

The two Koreas fought a war from 1950-53, after the peninsula was divided
into the communist North and capitalist South following the 1945 liberation
from Japanese colonial rule.

The United States keeps 37,000 troops in South Korea under a defense
treaty.

© Copyright 1999 The Associated Press

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Re: [CTRL] HORRORS & The Protocols

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> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] HORRORS & The Protocols
> Date: Monday, August 23, 1999 8:11 AM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Bob Stokes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > you wrote:
> > << [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> Depends on how you define 'old'. As I recall, the average age of
> the signers of the Declaration of Independence was 29.  A notable
> history is titled YOUNG MEN OF THE REVOLUTION.  If think the US
> Revolution was perpetrated by "old farts", please present evidence
> to back up that idea.

Now would that search be:

Farts of the old Republic;
Revolutionary farts;
Young men who farted during the revolution; or
One small fart for man.  One giant fart for the US...

Hilary

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[CTRL] Don't raise hogs and make dollars now...humor

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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This is great!

Hilary

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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> Subject: [InTheShadows] Don't raise hogs and make dollars now...humor
> Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 12:48 PM
>
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> @
> PLANETNEWS broardcast...
>
> Don't raise hogs and make dollars now...!
> Returnhome sent to PLANETNEWS...thanks Doug!
>
> Dear Secretary of Agriculture,
>
> >My friends, Darryl and Janica, over at Jonestown, Oklahoma, received a
> >check the other day for $1,000 from the government for not raising
> >hogs.  So, I want to go into the "not raising hogs" business myself next
> >year.
> >
> >What I want to know is, in your opinion, what is the best type of  farm
> >not to raise hogs on, and what is the best breed of hogs not to raise?
> >I want to be sure that I approach this endeavor in keeping with all
> >government policies.  I would prefer not to raise Razor hogs, but if
> >that is not a good breed not to raise, then I can just as easily not
> >raise Yorkshires of Durocs.
> >
> >As I see it, the hardest part of this program will be keeping an
> >accurate inventory of how many hogs I have not raised.  If I can get
> >$1,000 for not raising 50 hogs, will I get $2,000 for not raising 100
> >hogs?  I plan to operate on a small scale at first, holding myself down
> >to about 4,000 "not raised" hogs, which will give me $80,000 income the
> >first year.  Then I can buy an airplane.
> >
> >Now another thing:  these hogs I will not raise will not eat 100,000
> >bushels of corn. I understand that you also pay farmers for not raising
> >corn or wheat.  Will I qualify for payments for not raising wheat and
> >corn not to feed the 4,000 hogs I am not going to raise?  I want to get
> >started not feeding as soon as possible, as this seems to be a good time
> >of the year to not raise hogs or grain.
> >
> >I am also considering the "not milking cows" business, so please send
> >me any information on that also.  In view of these circumstances, I
> >understand that the government will consider me totally unemployed, so
> >I plan to file for unemployment and food stamps as well.
> >
> >
> >Be assured that you will have my vote in the coming elections
> >
> >
> >
> >Patriotically yours,
> >
> >Duster Benton
> >
> >
> >P.S.  Would you please notify me when you plan to distribute more free
> >cheese?
> 
> Nancie Belle
> Editor/PLANETNEWS
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Re: [CTRL] Internet "Responsible for" SYPHILIS ...

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Kind of puts a new spin on Internet Viruses

Hilary

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> From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: [CTRL] Internet "Responsible for" SYPHILIS ...
> Date: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 3:40 AM
>
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>
> Syphilis outbreak traced to Internet chat room

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say "God .....Exists"

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Any mention of Goddess?

Hilary

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> Subject: [SC] Re: [CTRL] Scientists say "God .Exists"
> Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 10:58 AM
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Bob Stokes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Scientists Find Evidence of God
>
> God, or gods?  If one posits the existence of one god, why not
> accept the existence of multiple gods?  Was the universe created
> by a team?  How could we tell?  If there's only only one god,
> did it manipulate the universe to look as though it had been
> created by a team, or evolved naturally?  If there are multiple
> gods, did they manipulate the universe to look as though it had
> been created by a single god, or evolved naturally?
>
> If one posits the existence of one or more creator deities, then
> such deities could have manipulated the universe however they
> wished, for purposes that humans can't comprehend - mustn't an
> honest investigator disregard ALL evidence pro or con re: god(s),
> since the evidence COULD be manipulated, tainted?
>
> If one invokes god(s) to explain the origin/structure of the
> universe, what forces/entities must be invoked to explain the
> origin of the god(s)?  Who intelligently designed the intelligent
> designer(s)?  Or did it/they evolve naturally, and if so, where/
> when/how? Doesn't any invocation of gods merely push back the
> question of origins into unexplorable realms?  Doesn't saying
> "one or more gods did it" equate to "I don't know and I'll never
> be able to find out, so I'll stop looking here" ??  Isn't the
> invocation of god(s) a dead-end, a capitulation?
>
> Evolution has been observed - why invoke god(s)?  Abiogenesis has
> been observed - why invoke god(s)?  How complex is/are god(s)?
> If observations of life and the universe can be explained without
> invoking god(s), and god(s) is/are more complex than the deduced/
> observed forces and phenomena of nature, aren't god(s) the least
> likely workable explanations?  Doesn't Occam's Razor preclude gods?
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[CTRL] Humor: Chocolate Chip Cookies

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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An elderly man lay dying in his bed.  In death's agony, he suddenly smelled
the aroma of his favorite chocolate chip cookies wafting up the stairs.

He gathered his remaining strength, and lifted himself from the bed.
Leaning against the wall, he slowly made his way out of the bedroom, and
with even greater effort forced himself down the stairs, gripping the
railing with both hands.  With labored breath, he leaned against the door
frame, gazing into the kitchen.  Were it not for death's agony, he would
have thought himself already in heaven: there, spread out upon newspapers
on the kitchen table were literally hundreds of his favorite chocolate chip
cookies. Was it heaven? Or was it one final act of heroic love from his
devoted wife, seeing to it that he left this world a happy man?

Mustering one great final effort, he threw himself toward the table,
landing on his knees in a rumpled posture.  His parched lips parted; the
wondrous taste of the cookie was already in his mouth, seemingly bringing
him back to life. The aged and withered hand shakingly made its way to a
cookie at the edge of the table, when it was suddenly smacked with a
spatula by his wife.

"Stay out of those," she said, "they're for the funeral."

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Re: [CTRL] Scientists say "God .....Exists"

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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--
> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Scientists say "God .Exists"
> Date: Monday, August 30, 1999 2:13 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
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> - Original Message -
> From: Bob Stokes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Ric Carter writes:
> >
> > << Meanwhile I notice that nobody here has ventured to answer any of
> >  the questions I posed re: deities and creation.  That's probably
> >  because it's not possible to rationally support deistic creation.
> >  It's obvious - saying "god(s) did it" means "I don't/can't know." >>
> >
> > Belief in a God(s) is a matter of faith and only needs to be
> > proven/unproven to an individual.
>
> Prove?  I said nothing about "proving" anything, I just asked for
> some rational support for creationist notions - and no, such isn't
> really possible, is it?  Science is about testing one's ideas,
> faith is about acceptance without testing - the twain shan't meet.

I have always found the alternative (a random/chaotic universe) to scary
for words.  Perhaps, it isn't faith, but avoidanceor the lesser of two
evils.

Hilary

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[CTRL] Police In Nail-Biting Manhunt

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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And I thought I had some strange dates!

Hilary

Tuesday August 31 8:45 AM ET

Police In Nail-Biting Manhunt
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/19990831/od/nails_1.html

LONDON (Reuters) - British crime can be nail-biting stuff -- London police
said Tuesday they were hunting a man with a penchant for complimenting
women on their hands before chewing off a nail or two.

``The suspect is alleged to have approached the victims in the street and
praised them on the appearance of their hands and nails,'' a spokesman
said.

``He will then either snatch the victim's hands or ask to see them, and
attempt to bite off one or more fingernails.''

The suspect -- a tall, black male of about 25 with short, spiky dreadlocks
-- has struck at least nine times since December 1997, most recently in
late July.

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Re: [CTRL] Religious posts.

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> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Religious posts.
> Date: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 3:28 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Das GOAT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > >> >"Reality is whatever bites your ass." --R.Carter
> > >>
> > >> Reality is a consensus statement.
> > >
> > >Only if the consensus bites your ass.
> >
> > Ergo, "Reality is whatever bites OUR ass."
>
> If it bites my ass but not yours, it's real for me but not for you.
> If it bites your ass but not mine, it's real for you but not for me.
> If it bites my ass and your ass and their asses, it's real for us.
> If we don't bite their asses, we're unreal for them; so, to become
>   real for them, we must bite their asses; and for them to become
>   real for us, they must bite our asses.
>
> But: just because something doesn't bite my ass, doesn't mean it
>   doesn't exist somewhere else, biting someone else's ass - just
>   because *I* don't experience the reality, doesn't invalidate
>   that reality.  If it bites my ass, I *know* it's real; if it
>   doesn't bite my ass, I can't be sure; if it bites everybody's
>   asses, we can form a consensus about its reality; if some folks
>   aren't bitten, they're probably excluded from that consensus.
>
> And: just because some moron believes that it bit his ass, doesn't
>   mean that I have to share that belief, especially if my ass is
>   still pristine, and if the moron's ass was already well-munched.
>
>   Ric "buckle up - it's harder for the aliens to suck you from your
>   car" Carter

This brings up a good point.  Ric, if you're bitten in the ass while
standing in the woods and no one else is there, will Mir still crash into
Earth?

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3

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> From: ric carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: [InTheShadows] Skeptic News - Tuesday #3
> Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 12:08 AM
>
> From: "ric carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> # BLACK HOLE ATE MY PLANET. Could physicists accidentally make killer
black
>   holes or lethal strange matter that would swallow the Earth? At least
>   there'd be no one left to say sorry to. UH-OH, the mad scientists are
at
>   it again. In their determination to extract nature's secrets,
physicists
>   in America have built a machine so powerful it has raised fears that it
>   might cause The End of The World As We Know It. Would you like fries
with
>   that black hole, sir?
http://newscientist.com/ns/19990828/ablackhole.html

I wonder if we could arrange for it to eat only certain sections of the
planet.  I see potential here.

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] [InTheShadows] Skeptic News - Wednesday #1

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> From: ric carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 10:40 AM
>
> From: "ric carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> # Suicide link to cholesterol. (BBC) People with low cholesterol levels
are
>   more prone to suicide and depression. Butter up those fried eggs &
bacon:
>   http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_435000/435305.stm

I knew it!!! Man, will these conspiracies to keep us from optimal health
and the perfected BLT never stop!


> # 'French Paradox' a health myth. BARCELONA (UPI) The so-called "French
>   Paradox" a lower incidence of heart disease despite typical Western
>   risk factors for disease might just be an error, stemming from a fluke
>   in health reporting. Many more French men die from alcohol-related
>   causes before they have the opportunity to die of heart disease.
>   Merde: http://news.excite.com/news/u/990830/16/health-heart-paradox

We tend to think of the French diet as the rich meals consumed in Paris.
Having lived in Paris I can attest to the fact that the food there can be
very rich and um-um good.  However, the subjects in this study came from
more rural areas with a more balanced diet - if my memory servers me -
which it usually doesn't.

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[CTRL] CIA 'may have poisoned ex-PM'

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Wednesday, September 1, 1999
NEW ZEALAND
http://www.scmp.com/News/Asia/Article/FullText_asp_ArticleID-199909010258183
63.asp
CIA 'may have poisoned ex-PM'
DAVID BARBER in Wellington

Former Labour prime minister Norman Kirk was remembered on the 25th
anniversary of his death in office yesterday with a claim that he may have
been poisoned by the CIA.

The president of the Labour Party, Bob Harvey, called on Prime Minister
Jenny Shipley to ask US President Bill Clinton to hand over Central
Intelligence Agency files on Kirk when they met in Auckland next month.

Mr Harvey said Kirk, who was 51 when he died of a heart attack, was
unpopular with the Americans after telling them they could not use New
Zealand as a nuclear submarine base if there was a nuclear holocaust in the
northern hemisphere.

Mr Harvey claimed the CIA had played a role in the removal from office of
Australian Labor prime minister Gough Whitlam and Kirk "may have paid the
supreme price" after challenging the US during the Cold War.

He suspected he could have been poisoned by the CIA during an overseas trip
before he became Prime Minister in 1972.

Labour Party leader Helen Clark rejected the president's claim, saying: "I
don't believe there is any substance to rumours which have circulated now
for 25 years that there was some sort of foreign involvement in Mr Kirk's
death."

Mrs Shipley said Kirk had been loved and respected by many New Zealanders
on both sides of the political spectrum.

"It's bizarre and sad that the current president of the Labour Party is
making such extraordinary claims on a day when we should be remembering
Norm Kirk's great contribution to New Zealand," she said.

Bob Tizard, a former Labour deputy prime minister, said Kirk was a big man,
weighing 170kg at one time and had an enlarged heart which was diagnosed in
the 1940s.

He refused to slow down on becoming prime minister and died from a
progressive deterioration of his medical condition.

  Published in the South China Morning Post. Copyright © 1999. All rights
reserved.

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Wednesday #3

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> @ PET DOGS sit by doors & windows waiting for absent owners to return.
Most
>   people would think nothing of this. But having studied the phenomenon,
>   Rupert Sheldrake, scientist turned outcast, is convinced there is only
one
>   explanation: dogs know when their owners are coming home; they know
'cause
>   they are telepathic.
http://newscientist.com/ns/19990828/imthinking.html

Hiya Ric,

I spoke with Sheldrake once when I was selling some of his books.  He's a
very pleasant person and his theory of morphogentic fields is intriguing.
I'm not surprised that he is talking about telepathy.

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Earthquake in Northern Illinois

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> From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Earthquake in Northern Illinois
> Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 4:29 PM
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> Well I can say that I, living and working 15 miles due west of Chicago,
> didn't feel a thing...as for the rest of the state, who cares?
>
> Bill.

That's the spirit Bill

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] [InTheShadows] Skeptic News - Thursday #3

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> From: "ric carter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> SkeptiNews 990902c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To
Question
>
> @ Is A Near Earth 'Asteroid' A Returning Spacecraft? The US government
has
>   been aware of an orbiting object which is "known" by the military to be
>   an alien probe. The name of the probe is "1991VG"; it is officially
>   classified as an asteroid. http://www.sightings.com/ufo4/spcraft.htm


Just for fun, I checked some of the links in this article.  They check out.
 Hm

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Earthquake in Northern Illinois

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> From: William Shannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Earthquake in Northern Illinois
> Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 4:39 PM
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> In a message dated 9/2/99 3:31:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
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>
> << That's the spirit Bill
>
>  Hilary >>
>
> Thanks Hilary!


HBill and Hilary congratulating each other on being indifferent to
the plight of Americans.  What a concept!

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] U.S APEC Security Data Sent To Chicken Factory

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Matt,  is there an article on this?  How did you find out about this?

Hilary

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> From: Matt.S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: [CTRL] U.S APEC Security Data Sent To Chicken Factory
> Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 12:27 AM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> Yes the boys at the Whitehouse have done it again, a small chicken
> processing plant in Auckland had its fax machine spitting out
confidential
> security details of communication equipment, routes to be travelled,
driver
> names & probably a lot more. It was all supposed to go to the APEC
Security
> Control Office, but it looks like a case of, sorry wrong number. The
chicken
> plant workers said they would have rather had an order for chicken than
> Clintons security arrangements,
> what a joke, anyone for a chicken nibble, just contact the Whitehouse,
they
> have the fax number,
> Matt.S
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[CTRL] Stray U.S. security faxes fly at NZ chicken plant

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Stray U.S. security faxes fly at NZ chicken plant

Updated 10:34 PM ET September 2, 1999

WELLINGTON, Sept 3 (Reuters) - A chicken processing plant has been
bombarded with stray faxes from U.S. security officials preparing for a
visit to Auckland by President Bill Clinton, the New Zealand Herald
reported on Friday.

One fax detailed the installation of White House communications equipment
in the Auckland airport control tower ahead of the arrival Air Force One,
carrying Clinton to a summit of Asia Pacific leaders on September 12 and
13.

"One of them had the name of a military officer with his code name and
security number," plant owner Saji Philips told the Herald.

"For us it doesn't really matter, but if this fell into the wrong hands,
who knows what could happen. It's really quite frightening," Philips said.


He said that several weeks ago he had asked the U.S. support office for the
Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation summit to stop the faxes but they kept
coming.

A spokesman for the support office declined on Friday to comment on the
report, but a U.S. embassy official told Reuters: "We are looking into the
situation..."

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3

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> From: Ric Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Friday #3
> Date: Friday, September 03, 1999 4:04 PM
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> - Original Message -
> From: Kris Millegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > ># JFK Dallas Fatal Shot From Storm Drain? [photo]
> > >  http://sightings.com/politics4/drain.htm
> > >
> > >: Where were you when you shot JFK? How have you managed to shake
> > >  all your pursuers? Were you killed afterward to keep you from
> > >  revealing the truth??
> >
> > Yes, there was a shooter in the drain, there were at least 26
> > shooters on site that day.

And only 3 bullets made it to the car.  Man, that's some piss-poor
shooting!

Hilary

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[CTRL] Humor: English

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<< Women's English -What they really mean!

 No = Yes

 Maybe = No

 I'm sorry = You'll be sorry

 We need = I want

 It's your decision = The correct decision should be obvious by now

 Do what you want = You'll pay later

 We need to talk = I want to complain

 Sure, go ahead = I don't want you to

 I'm not upset = Of course I'm upset you idiot

 You're certainly active tonight = is sex all you think about

 Be romantic, turn off the lights = I don't want you to see me naked

 This kitchen is so inconvenient = I want a new house

 I want new curtains = . . .and carpeting and wallpaper and furniture

 I heard a noise = I noticed you were almost asleep

 Do you love me = I'm gonna ask for something expensive

 How much do you love me = I did something you're not going to like

 I'll be ready in a sec = Kick your shoes off and find a good game on TV

 Is my butt fat = Tell me I'm beautiful

 You need to learn to communicate = Just agree with me

 Are you listening = Too late, you're dead meat

 I'm not yelling = Yes, I'm yelling because I think this is important


 MEN'S ENGLISH -What they really mean!

 I'm hungry = I'm hungry

 I'm sleepy = I'm sleepy

 I'm tired = I'm tired

 Want to go to a movie? = I'd eventually like to have sex with you

 Can I call you sometime? = I'd eventually like to have sex with you

 May I have this dance? = I'd eventually like to have sex with you

 Nice dress = nice cleavage

 You look tense, let me give you a massage = I want to fondle you

 What's wrong? = I don't see why you're making such a big deal of this.

 What's wrong? = What meaningless self-inflicted psychological trauma you
 going through now?

 What's wrong? = I guess sex is out of the question.

 I'm bored = Do you want to have sex.

 I love you = Let's have sex now.

 I love you, too = Okay, I said it, let's have sex now.

 Yes, I like the way you cut your hair = I can't tell any difference.

 Let's talk = I'm trying to impress you by showing you that I'm a deep
 person, and then maybe you'd like to have sex with me.

 Will you marry me? = I want to make it illegal for you to have sex with
 other guys.

 (While shopping) I like that one better = pick any stinking dress and
let's
 go home.

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[CTRL] Evidence Mounts that Shoulder-Fired Missile Downed TWA Flight 800 ...

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Will this be the next story to break?

Hilary

BQ's View ...

With Radio America's Blanquita Cullum
Evidence Mounts that Shoulder-Fired Missile Downed TWA Flight 800 ...
September 1, 1999

... We're seeing more evidence surface daily to support an independent
investigator's assertions that TWA Flight 800 was shot down by Islamic
terrorists using a shoulder-mounted missile. The investigator asserts
further that Bill Clinton covered it up because he did not want it to hurt
his chances for re-election ... The evidence has been assembled by retired
Navy Commander Bill Donaldson, a former combat pilot and seasoned veteran
of air crash investigations ... Donaldson said he took it upon himself to
investigate this terrible incident because the Clinton Administration, CIA
and FBI weren't getting the job done... The plane went down in an explosion
off Long Island that killed 230 passengers and crew on July 17, 1996 ...

... Donaldson flew A-4s in 89 combat missions in Vietnam before attending
aviation safety school and entering post-graduate training in crash
investigation ... He's done about a dozen crash investigations, has been an
aircraft maintenance officer, aviation weapons officer, nuclear weapons
officer, and went through the long course in air traffic control... He also
maintained the control center on the USS Forrestal for two years ...
Basically, everything the TWA 800 crash involves, Donaldson has dealt with
hands-on ...

... Donaldson said that since the government was not doing its job, he took
it upon himself to "kick them in the shins" and conduct his own
investigation, which has turned up scientific evidence and more than a
hundred eye-witness accounts of the missile attack that paint a precise
picture of what happened ...

... According to the evidence, the missile was fired from a boat about
three miles in front of the airliner by Islamic terrorists ... A chain of
international events led to this attack, and Clinton elected to cover it up
..

... At the time the plane went down, it was about 15 weeks before the
presidential election ... The U.S. had been in a "hot-and-cold shooting
war," as Donaldson described it, with Iran since the Shah of Iran left
power, and, as we recall, hostages were taken during the Jimmy Carter
presidency ... The Spring of 1996 became critical because the Clinton
Administration quietly signed the Iran-Libya Sanctions Act, which said to
other foreign powers that if they trade with Iran they could not trade with
the U.S. ... Iran responded as if it were an act of war and communicated
that to the U.S. ... The ensuing terrorist threat was well-known in the
White House and in certain Congressional areas ...

... In June, right after the law was signed, the Iranians called a
conference and brought in terrorist leaders from nine Middle Eastern
countries ... The TWA flight was included in the general targeting plan
that came from that conference ... The U.S. had crossed the line, and the
Islamic terrorists were going to respond ... Only a few days later, on the
25th of June, the biggest bomb ever deployed against the U.S. military was
set off at the Air Force barracks in Saudi Arabia ... The terrorists were
trying to replicate the bombing in the 80s that forced the Reagan
Administration to pull troops out of Beirut ... The same people then were
responsible for the June 25 bombing ... Three weeks later, TWA Flight 800
went down off Long Island ...

... Not all of the information was covered up then ... The London Times
published a very accurate story five weeks after the crash, naming a group
of terrorists that were operating in the United States ... The news account
said three of the shoulder-mounted Stinger missiles had come in, probably
by way of Afghanistan through Karachi, Halifax and across the U.S. border
in upstate New York ... The missiles had been in the country for five
months before the attack ... The Times was able to get a quote from the
White House admitting it had intelligence reports about the missiles and
terrorist threat ...

... The missile was fired at the maximum range ... The boat had to be
within about three nautical miles of the aircraft and in front of it when
they fired ... That is exactly what the radar captured ... We're learning
now from newly-released radar information that while they said there were
no boats or other aircraft in the area, there were ships out there and
airplanes doing things that are not totally explained ... Beyond this, it's
a matter of collecting the eye witnesses ... There was no government
assistance in allowing the media to get the information  They
absolutely refused to allow that to happen ... So, as Donaldson says, "you
have to have a guy like me who goes out and investigates it anyway" ...

... Donaldson has about 140 witnesses now at 60 locations, and potentially
there are hundreds more ... The witnesses come from other aircraft, quite a
few boats and on the ground ... Some were driving cars ... The

[CTRL] Joke: How nationalities differ

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

How nationalities differ



"On a beautiful deserted island in the middle of nowhere, the following
people are stranded:

2 Italian men and 1 Italian woman
2 French men and 1 French woman
2 German men and 1 German woman
2 Greek men and 1 Greek woman
2 English men and 1 English woman
2 Polish men and 1 Polish woman
2 Japanese men and 1 Japanese woman
2 American men and 1 American woman
2 Australian men and 1 Australian woman
2 New Zealand men and 1 New Zealand woman
2 Irish men and 1 Irish woman

One month later, the following things have occurred:

One Italian man killed the other Italian man for the Italian woman.

The two French men and the French woman are living happily together having
loads of sex.

The two German men have a strict weekly schedule of when they alternate
with the German woman

The two Greek men are sleeping with each other and the Greek woman is
cleaning and cooking for them.

The two English men are waiting for someone to introduce them to the
English woman.

The Polish men took a long look at the endless ocean and one look at the
Polish woman and they started swimming.

The two American men are contemplating the virtues of suicide, while
 the  American woman keeps on bitching about her body being her own, the
True
nature of feminism, how she can do everything that they can do, about
the necessity of fulfillment, the equal division of household chores, how
her
last boyfriend respected her opinion and treated her much nicer and how
her relationship with her mother is improving. But at least the taxes are
low and it is not raining.

The two Japanese men have faxed Tokyo and are waiting for further
instructions.

The two Australian men beat each other senseless for the Australian woman,
who is checking out all the other men after calling them both "bloody
wankers".

Both New Zealand men are searching the island for sheep.

The Irish began by dividing the island into North and South and by setting
up a distillery. They do not remember if sex is in the picture because it
gets sort of foggy after the first few litres of coconut whiskey, but they
are satisfied in that at least the English are not getting any.

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Re: [CTRL] Evidence Mounts that Shoulder-Fired Missile Downed TWA...

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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--
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Evidence Mounts that Shoulder-Fired Missile Downed
TWA...
> Date: Monday, September 06, 1999 6:48 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> In a message dated 9/6/99 3:00:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
> > We're seeing more evidence surface daily to support an independent
> >  investigator's assertions that TWA Flight 800 was shot down by Islamic
> >  terrorists using a shoulder-mounted missile.
>
> Indeed the plane seems to have been shot down, but I feel it is premature
to
> lay the blame on Islamic terrorists, it's possible of course but it is
also
> possible that the COPIOUS navy ships in the vicinity had more than a
little
> to do with it.  My view based on the evidence and the actions taken by
the
> Navy and other Federal agencies is that the US shot down the plane,
whether
> intentionally or accidentally is still in doubt.

I agree it is too early to determine who shot the plane down.  The
important thing at this point is to keep this investigation going until it
is proven that there was some kind of cover-up, as it is my belief that
something is being covered up.  At that point, we can find out more
information.

Hilary

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[CTRL] US seeks N Korea missile deal

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Can you say 'extortion'?  How is it that N. Korea has these missiles ready
when the last 'deal' said that they would stop developing them?  What's to
stop them from taking this package of concessions and continuing to develop
their missile program? Hilary

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/asia-pacific/newsid_44/440710.stm


Tuesday, September 7, 1999 Published at 13:25 GMT 14:25 UK

US seeks N Korea missile deal

Border tensions have increased in the build-up to talks

The United States is hoping to ease tensions in the Far East by persuading
North Korea to freeze its ballistic missile programme in return for a
package of concessions.

Negotiators from the two sides begin five days of talks in Berlin on
Tuesday aimed at improving the atmosphere on the Korean peninsula.

Koreans are calling these the "KK talks", after Charles Kartman, the US
envoy, and his opposite number, Kim Gye-gwan, the deputy North Korean
foreign minister.

For its part, North Korea wants to re-draw its sea-border with South Korea,
which was the scene of clashes in June when a North Korean torpedo boat was
sunk.

Missile test fears

Our correspondent in South Korea's capital Seoul, Andrew Wood, says the two
delegations have plenty to talk about, but mistrust is rife on both sides.

For months relations between North Korea and the rest of the world have
been dominated by Pyongyang's preparations to test launch a ballistic
missile. Last year it fired a rocket over Japan.

North Korea's latest model might be powerful enough to reach the United
States.

The US is believed to be offering a series of political and economic
incentives for the North Koreans to end the missile test programme.

But, along with Tokyo and Seoul, Washington has warned that another launch
could bring economic penalties against the North.

Broken promises

In 1994 Pyongyang agreed to freeze its nuclear programme, which could
produce weapons-grade plutonium, in return for a US undertaking to arrange
construction of two safer light-water reactors.

Now, North Korea says there are unacceptable delays in construction of the
reactors and accuses the US of breaking a promise to end economic
sanctions.

The US says it had already begun to lift some restrictions, but points out
that further progress depends on North Korea improving relations with its
neighbour and enemy to the south. Our correspondent says that in fact
relations have deteriorated in the past week.

Talking tough

South Korean analysts say the North is acting tough on the sea-border issue
to improve its negotiating position at the Berlin talks.

On Tuesday, the North's Korean Central News Agency warned its neighbour
that it "would exercise strong self-defence" if the South "intruded into
the military demarcation line" in the Yellow Sea.

Analysts also say the North intends to exact a high price for cancelling
its ballistic missile programme.

Since 1995 North Koreans have been largely dependent on foreign food aid
after the agricultural industry collapsed following years of mismanagement
and bad weather.

North Korea remains technically at war with its southern neighbour after
the 1950-53 war ended in an armed truce rather than a peace agreement.

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[CTRL] Why Would Federal Operatives Want All the Davidians Dead?

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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"Also on Sunday, filmmaker Michael McNulty, who has questioned government
findings that the Davidians were responsible for their tragic end, said on
``Fox News Sunday'' that he had new evidence that federal operatives were
firing ``long streams of automatic weapons fire'' at the back of the
compound, preventing those inside from escaping the fire."

This is very interesting!!!  Why would they want everyone dead?

Hilary


Monday September 6 1:24 AM ET
Republicans Vow Probe Into Waco
Full Coverage Waco Investigation
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990906/pl/waco_investigation_27.html
By JIM ABRAMS Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Congress returns this week with Republicans intent on
investigating the latest Waco dispute and asking whether Janet Reno should
resign over what one senator said was a Justice Department ``in shambles.''


On the Democratic side, Sen. Charles Schumer of New York said Sunday he had
written GOP committee chairmen asking them to put off hearings until an
independent investigator finishes looking into new controversies swirling
around the 1993 siege of the Branch Davidian compound.

Schumer, on ABC's ``This Week,'' said hearings would probably descend into
partisan squabbling. ``My worry is that congressional investigations would
bring up a lot of heat and not very much light.''
But Sen. Phil Gramm, R-Texas, said Congress must be involved. ``You can't
have the country misled for six years by the Justice Department and the FBI
and not have Congress do something about it,'' he said on ABC.

At issue is recent FBI revelations that it fired several flammable tear gas
canisters at a storm shelter hours before the main Branch Davidian building
went up in flames. The FBI and the Justice Department had previously denied
use of any incendiary devices, and investigations will focus on whether
this misinformation was the result of a bureaucratic slip-up or a coverup.

The Justice Department insists there is no change in conclusions that it
was David Koresh and his followers that started the fatal fire. The
department also stresses that military special operations officers were on
the scene only as observers and advisers, and not in an illegal capacity as
participants in the operation.

Any GOP-led investigation would be sure to touch on the competence of Reno,
who has constantly clashed with Republicans over campaign finance and
Chinese spying scandals, to be attorney general.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, on NBC's ``Meet
the Press'' and CNN's ``Late Edition,'' said he had lost confidence in
Reno's ability to lead. ``The Justice Department is in a shambles. There is
a demoralization over there because they realize they are not doing the
job.''

FBI Director Louis Freeh, in contrast, is the ``single best'' director he
had known, Hatch said. On Freeh's reported differences with Reno, Hatch
said ``you don't want some milquetoast guy in there who won't stand up and
do what's right.''

Schumer, however, said there was a double standard in attacking Reno and
defending Freeh when it was the FBI that was apparently responsible for not
getting the facts to Reno, their ultimate superior.
President Clinton, asked by reporters Saturday if he had confidence in Reno
and Freeh, pointedly supported Reno but not Freeh. On Freeh, he said he
said there wasn't ``any purpose to assign blame until the investigation is
concluded.''

Reno is expected to name an outside investigator sometime this week, with
the emphasis on an impartial judge, possibly a Republican, who is respected
by both sides.

``As the attorney general has said, she wants to get to the bottom of this
and will appoint an outside investigator to do just that,'' Justice
Department spokesman Myron Marlin said.

Freeh was not FBI director at the time of the Waco siege, but did head the
agency later when Reno, relying on FBI information, was denying that
flammable devices were used against the Branch Davidians.

``Maybe Louis Freeh is to blame too,'' Gramm said. ``Maybe they both should
go.''

Former Attorney General Dick Thornburgh, on CNN, said it was ``very
regrettable that people up to and including the president are now being
asked to choose sides. This is unprecedented. I have never seen a situation
like this where there has been this split between the two agencies.''

But Hatch also said he had talked to both Reno and Freeh this week and had
been assured by both that they were on good terms and reports of
differences between the two were blown out of proportion.

Also on Sunday, filmmaker Michael McNulty, who has questioned government
findings that the Davidians were responsible for their tragic end, said on
``Fox News Sunday'' that he had new evidence that federal operatives were
firing ``long streams of automatic weapons fire'' at the back of the
compound, preventing those inside from escaping the fire.

Former FBI agent Richard Schwein, who was at Waco, said that was
``absolutely false,'

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

--
> From: Tenorlove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2
> Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 9:48 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> <<# Run Away! Deadly Potatoes! OSLO (Reuters) Police have confiscated a
> potentially lethal home-made cannon capable of firing potatoes up to 50
> yards. http://news.excite.com/news/r/990907/10/odd-potato>>
>
> When I was in college, a popular fraternity trick was to jam a potato
> into the exhaust pipe of a car & when the car heated up, the potato
> would go flying. Once one of them went clear through a metal garage door!

Yes, a potato and a college student can be an explosive combination!

Hilary

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[CTRL] Simple Test Allows Shoppers To Check Produce for Engineered Content

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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Simple Test Allows Shoppers To Check Produce for Engineered Content
12.59 p.m. ET (1659 GMT) September 7, 1999
http://www.foxnews.com/js_index.sml?content=/news/international/
By Roger Dobson

LONDON — An instant test for GM foods could soon allow shopkeepers and
customers to check whether produce is totally free of modified crops.

One of the problems with GM products is that it is difficult to tell them
apart from natural foods. Many processed foods thought to be GM-free have
been found to contain small amounts of engineered material. It is possible
to carry out DNA tests to spot the difference in the crop gene, but that is
time-consuming, expensive and often impractical.

The new test, developed by Strategic Diagnostics of Delaware in America,
adapts the kind of antibody technology first used in DIY pregnancy kits to
track down the genetically modified crops.
The key to the success of the tests is that crops that have been
genetically engineered produce a different type of protein. A plant
engineered to be resistant to a specific insect, for instance, will express
a protein toxic to that pest. With a herbicide-resistant crop, the plant
will express a protein that de-activates the effect of the chemical.

The test developed by Strategic Diagnostics measures these proteins, which
would not be expressed by a normal plant. One test can measure the actual
amount of protein in the sample, while the other is a yes-no litmus-paper
type test that simply shows in minutes whether there is any GM food
present.
Don Durandetta, business manager for agricultural products at Strategic
Diagnostics, says that unlike DNA tests, which are looking for the gene
that creates the protein, the new test measures the protein directly and is
much faster.

He says: "The yes-no test takes only four or five minutes to give a result.
It is essentially the same format as a standard home-pregnancy kit."

The testing strip contains antibodies that are specific to the protein
being looked for. On one side is a monoclonal antibody and on the other a
polyclonal antibody. Attached to one of them is a color marker. When the
strip is immersed in the crop sample that has been mixed with water to make
it fluid, the sample flows along a line between the arrays of antibodies.

When the protein to which the antibodies react passes along the line, the
antibodies on either side close in and form a sandwich, triggering the
marker and changing the color of the strip.

"It is a simple yes-no sandwich assay test and the only way you can end up
with a colored strip is if both antibodies respond and a sandwich forms to
change the color, and that shows that there is transgenic protein present.
This particular test doesn't tell you how much there is, just whether or
not there is any present in the sample.

"The first applications are at the producer end. Our biggest market at
present is the quick yes-no test, which can screen trucks as they roll up
from the farm. You can test a truck while it is still on the scales. You
can take raw grain out of trucks as they arrive, grind it up, shake it up
with water, take a sample and drop a strip in. It takes three or four
minutes and the whole process, including gathering the sample, takes six
minutes."

The company is currently testing the effectiveness of the strips on
processed products. If found to be useful, this could lead to a consumer
version that could quickly tell shoppers if food contains any kind of
GM-modified ingredients.

One of the advantages for food producers is that the test will allow them
to guarantee that there is no GM material in their crops. For food
suppliers and shops, it means that they will be better able to put similar
guarantees on processed-food packaging.

Eventually, the antibody technology could be applied to many other forms of
GM food as they start to come onto the market.

With new GM legislation likely in Europe, Japan and America, the tests
could protect producers from legal action where food that is meant to be
GM-free is found to have a transgenic content.

It would also mean that such food would not have to be junked as was the
case in America when thousands of boxes of organic chips were destroyed
because the corn used had been accidentally contaminated by a crop from a
neighboring field of transgenic plants.

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[CTRL] SEC Votes to Shut Down Brokerage Firms Unprepared for Y2K

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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SEC Votes to Shut Down
Brokerage Firms Unprepared for Y2K
1.28 p.m. ET (1728 GMT) July 27, 1999 Reuters

WASHINGTON — Federal securities regulators will go to court starting Dec. 1
to shut down brokerage firms that are not ready for the Year 2000, under
new rules adopted Tuesday.

The Securities and Exchange Commission voted, 5-0, to approve the rules.
They set a target date of Aug. 31 for brokerage firms to complete their
Year 2000 compliance efforts but allow additional time for unprepared firms
to show that they will be ready no later than Nov. 15.

"Any firm that cannot achieve Y2K compliance in a timely fashion will be
required to cease doing business by Dec. 1," SEC Chairman Arthur Levitt
said before the vote.

"A few firms' lack of readiness could have adverse consequences for
countless others," Levitt said.

"We simply cannot allow firms to continue to operate if they threaten the
integrity of the system, or if they are not able to assure customers'
access to their funds and securities."

Richard Walker, the agency's enforcement director, said the regulators
would go into federal courts starting Dec. 1 seeking injunctions forcing
the unprepared brokerage firms to cease operations and notify their
customers.

He said the regulators expect they will only have to go after "a few"
problem firms.

The SEC estimates that only 1 percent or so of the 3,900 brokerage firms
covered by the new rules will be unprepared for the millennial date change.


Concerns about the Jan. 1, 2000, date stem from the fact that some computer
systems may read only the last two digits of a four-digit year and
interpret the year 2000 as 1900, potentially wreaking havoc on financial
transactions.

The new rules also apply to the 600 or so transfer agents that are not
banks. Transfer agents are responsible for keeping records of shareholders
of corporations and for issuing or canceling stock certificates when shares
are bought and sold.

The SEC has said failure of transfer agents to anticipate and fix Year 2000
computer problems could seriously disrupt corporations' dividend payments
and other transactions with their shareholders.
The market watchdog agency also requires mutual fund companies and publicly
traded corporations to disclose their readiness.

In the federal government's first major enforcement action related to the
Year 2000 problem, the SEC charged 37 relatively small brokerage firms last
October with failing to fully disclose the state of their computer
readiness. Some of the firms agreed to settle the charges by promising to
refrain from such violations in the future, being censured and paying civil
penalties ranging from $5,000 to $25,000.

In January, the SEC accused nine transfer agents of allegedly failing to
adequately disclose their readiness. Five of the agent companies settled
the charges and four contested them.

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[CTRL] PR experts preparing to spin-doctor Y2K

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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7/27 15:11 ET
PR experts preparing to spin-doctor Y2K

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Worried about what Y2K will do to your computer,
fuel bills, credit-card accounts and bank deposits? Don't worry.

Some of the nation's top image-making firms are preparing to ease your
fears -- to explain them away or make you forget them. It's a byproduct
of what many American corporations are calling ''crisis preparedness.''

Two of America's largest public-relations agencies, Burson-Marsteller
and Hill and Knowlton, have set up teams and processes to help companies
counter consumer fears and intensified media stress on the perils of
computers unable to cope with the shift to the year 2000.

But some may wonder: is the Y2K frenzy already only a simple case of too
much hype leading to an awful letdown?

Christopher P.A. Komisarjevsky, chief executive officer of
Burson-Marsteller Worldwide, does not seem concerned by that
possibility.

'`No one knows what will happen,'' he said, ``but we see heightened
interest and concern about it. It's both a technological and a
perception issue. We see volatile moves among consumers, like hoarding
water and food, hiding their cash and so on while the media
reintensifies the issue, especially as we get closer to the end of the
year.

``Companies that never got questioned about their methods will be
barraged by the media and will have to respond to them, to customers,
vendors and others. That's where we can help.''

Even those who may be skeptical surely recognize the Y2K hysteria that
has gripped business and the public. Many banks, utilities and others
have already assured their customers that they are taking steps to avert
any problems come Jan. 1, 2000.

However, in recent weeks, some airlines have announced no flights on New
Year's Eve. At least one major company has pulled an advertisement on
Y2K, fearing it would lead to more questions than answers.

Companies have spent billions of dollars preparing their computers to
recognize the year 2000 instead of reading it as 1900 or freezing up.

Aggressive insurance companies have offered policies covering possible
computer glitches, and some are already being sued by corporate
customers to recoup money spent on preventive repairs.

A rash of suits from consumers and advocacy groups is expected as the
public finds itself anxious over potential electronic interruptions in
basic services. Early in July, Congress passed a bill shielding
businesses from computer-related suits by giving companies 90 days to
fix Y2K problems before a suit can be filed. Whether this will curb
litigation is hard to say.

Hill and Knowlton aims in its new program to ``prepare business in
continuity planning, in case, say, a payroll goes down, the company can
properly communicate with its employees or to exert damage-control in
many other ways,'' said Michael Van Dusen, H&K's senior vice president
responsible for global Y2K activity. ``We will work in teams, pulling
together from 45 to 50 people in such of our practices as advanced
technology and crisis communications.''

Van Dusen said he expects the most interest in the project to come from
companies in telecommunications, finance, health care, food and auto
parts.

At Burson-Marsteller, Komisarjevsky said, ``We believe that Y2K has the
potential to be a major disruption for companies dealing with the public
even if not a single computer malfunctions on New Year's Day. That's
because the 'millennium bug' is no longer just a problem of technology
but one of perception, too.''

Noting that ``irrational behavior'' can disrupt fourth-quarter business
and hurt profits at thousands of companies, he said, ``the solution lies
in guiding public perceptions and creating informed opinion now rather
than letting uninformed opinion take the upper hand in coming months.
That's where we come in.''

Komisarjevsky added that 24 ``communications command centers'' have been
set up domestically and abroad to provide communications help between
Dec. 31 and Jan. 3.

Burson-Marsteller will get its revenues from the project in either of
two ways -- by charging existing clients for staff time to help them
with Y2K issues or, in the case of new clients, it will charge a fixed
fee. Hill and Knowlton is offering its program as a ``value-added'' or
additional service to clients, rather than as a separate service, Van
Dusen said.

``I think what the agencies are doing is a valid effort,'' said Fraser
Seitel, a public relations consultant and author of a standard college
text on the subject.

Asked whether the Y2K issue is perhaps being overdone, he responded:
``Well, many consultants have gotten rich helping corporations to get
their systems arranged. But it's clearly a perception problem, too. If
Armageddon looms, you have to be prepared for it. It's an extension of
crisis preparedness.''

As more public relations agencies, advertising agencies and marketing
consultants join in the spin-doctoring effort, it could conceivably
breed

Re: [CTRL] Gore Quotes

[Hilary A. Thomas]

 -Caveat Lector-

Thanks Maggie,  I didn't know.

Hilary

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> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Gore Quotes
> Date: Wednesday, July 28, 1999 1:07 PM
>
>  -Caveat Lector-
>
> I am pretty sure that a lot of these quotes ARE Dan Quayle, and not Gore.
I
> was listening to Howard Stern a few months ago (not a habit!) and he
played
> a bunch of things that Quayle said and a lot of those are listed below as
> Gore. But it's probably very safe to say that they are both idiots.
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[CTRL] Experts Warn of New Y2K Threat: The Hired Help

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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From: "Hilary A. Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Experts Warn of New Y2K Threat: The Hired Help
9.48 a.m. ET (1348 GMT) July 29, 1999
By Ted Bridis

WASHINGTON — Two of the government's top computer security experts are
warning that some programmers hired to fix Year 2000 problems may be
quietly installing malicious software code to sabotage companies or give
themselves access to sensitive information after the new year.

The ominous warnings were part of testimony prepared for a hearing today
about the so-called Y2K glitch and cyberterrorism before the Senate's
Special Committee on the Year 2000 Technology Problem.

Michael Vatis, director of the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection
Center, said experts hired by U.S. companies to fix their computers could
secretly program "trap doors" — ways to let them gain access later — or add
malicious code, such as a logic bomb or time-delayed virus that could
disrupt systems.

"While systems have been and will continue to be extensively tested, the
probability of finding malicious code is extremely small," agreed Richard
Schaeffer, director of the Defense Department's Infrastructure and
Information Assurance program.

Neither expert suggested the possible scope of the problem.

Schaeffer said problems are complicated by the New Year's rollover, when
some computers programmed to recognize only the last two digits of a year
may mistake 2000 for a full century earlier.

"It may be difficult to distinguish between a true Y2K event and some other
anomaly caused by a perpetrator with malicious intent," Schaeffer wrote in
prepared testimony.

Both experts said the risks were exacerbated by the amount of software
repaired by companies overseas. Vatis called the situation "a unique
opportunity for foreign countries and companies to access, steal from or
disrupt sensitive national and proprietary information systems."

"Since any vulnerabilities that are implanted will persist as long as the
software is in place, this is a problem that will last well beyond January
1, 2000," Vatis said.

Vatis recommended that companies thoroughly check the backgrounds of
companies they hire for software repairs. He also said they should test for
the existence of trap doors after the repairs, possibly even hiring teams
to try to electronically crack into their own networks.

The latest warnings come on the heels of new disclosures about White House
plans to create a government-wide security network to protect the nation's
most important computer systems from hackers, thieves, terrorists and
hostile countries.

The 148-page proposal from the Clinton administration describes building an
elaborate network of electronic obstacles, monitors and analyzers to
prevent and watch for potentially suspicious activity on federal computer
systems.

Civil liberties groups complain that the security tools also would make
possible unprecedented electronic monitoring, especially because of the
increasingly widespread use of computers by the government in almost every
aspect of its citizens' daily lives.

The White House defended the proposal.

"We are very concerned about protecting privacy rights," said Clinton's
national security adviser, Sandy Berger. "But there is also a privacy right
in not having hostile entities attack systems. We're not only talking about
17-year-old kids in their basement. We're talking about governments that we
know are developing systems to get access to our computer systems."

The first 500 intrusion monitors would be installed on nonmilitary
government computers next year, according to a draft copy of the proposal
obtained by The Associated Press. The full system would be completed by May
2003.

The plan also suggests ways to convince private companies to monitor their
corporate computer networks and share information about threats. But it
said explicitly that the government will not force companies to permit
federal monitoring of their systems.



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Re: [CTRL] Georgia sect alarms neighbors

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>Georgia sect alarms neighbors

So does the kudzu.

Hilary

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[CTRL] Fw: [InTheShadows] Cancer study into artificial sweetener

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> Subject: [InTheShadows] Cancer study into artificial sweetener
> Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 9:56 AM
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>
> Tuesday, August 3, 1999 Published at 13:07 GMT 14:07 UK
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_41/410913.stm
>
> Cancer study into artificial sweetener
>
> Many soft drinks contain aspartame
>
> Scientists are to study whether an artificial sweetener used in popular
> diet drinks is linked to an increased risk of malignant brain tumours.
>
> Researchers from King's College, south London, will spend the next three
> years scrutinising the effect of the sweetener aspartame, marketed under
> the name NutraSweet.
>
> Aspartame is 200 times sweeter than normal sugar. It is used in many
> low-calorie and no-calorie drinks.
>
> The research was welcomed by NutraSweet, which said there was
"overwhelming
> scientific evidence" to prove the product was safe.
>
> The study will look at whether people with certain genetic make-ups are
> susceptible to methanol, a compound in aspartame which some research has
> suggested can attack DNA and cause cells to mutate and cause cancer.
>
> Neurochemist Dr Peter Nunn, who is heading the study, said: "Primary
brain
> tumours are of considerable interest to everybody because the cause of
them
> is not known.
>
> "Some studies have shown there to be a link between aspartame and primary
> brain tumours, and some studies have shown there to be no link.
>
> "This study does not set out to rubbish aspartame. It is a serious study
> into whether people with certain genes are more susceptible to these
> compounds than others."
>
> The study will look at whether cells of certain tumours react to
chemicals.
>
>
> 'Claims dismissed as scare-mongering'
>
> A statement from NutraSweet AG said: "There is already an overwhelming
> amount of scientific evidence which confirms the safety of aspartame, but
> scare-mongerers have continued to claim that aspartame is linked to brain
> tumours.
>
> "We have no doubt whatsoever that provided the study is well-designed and
> well-conducted, it will show that there is no such link.
>
> "The study will therefore provide a further opportunity to put these
> groundless rumours to rest."
>
> The statement went on: "It is physiologically impossible for aspartame to
> cause brain tumours because it never enters the bloodstream and thus
cannot
> travel to essential organs, including the brain."
>
> Aspartame was invented in 1965 but has only taken hold in Britain in the
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[CTRL] Diet of worms solves gut problems

[Hilary A. Thomas]

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'Yum,' she thought digging through her shelf for a cookbook.

Hilary


http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_412000/412142.stm

Wednesday, August 4, 1999 Published at 17:52 GMT 18:52 UK

Diet of worms solves gut problems

Parasitic worms could hold the key to good digestive health

Drinking live parasitic worms has been found to be an effective treatement
for Crohn's Disease and Irritable Bowel Disease (IBD).

Researchers at the University of Iowa think that the virtual elimination of
such creatures from the human gut over the years has left the body
vulnerable to the massive immune reactions which typify the conditions.

Although only six sufferers took part in this trial, the results were so
impressive that larger experiments could now follow.

All six were given a drink containing microscopic worms which can survive,
although not reproduce in the human gut.

Between two or three weeks later, their symptoms completely disappeared,
and stayed away for about a month.

A sterile existence

Dr Joel Weinstock, who carried out the tests, said: "We're living in boxes,
breathing sterile air and drinking sterile water.

"As we've de-wormed, people have developed immune systems which are not
damped.

"The worms living in the gastrointestinal tract have been with us for three
million years, and our immune systems have got used to their presence."

Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis and other forms of inflammatory bowel
disease appear to be cause by an overactive immune system, which causes
inflammation in the digestive system.

Symptoms include abdominal pain, bowel obstruction and bleeding.

The condition is incurable, and normal treatments include steroids, which
can reduce the inflammation, although these have been known to produce side
effects.

Dr Weinstock pointed out that the rise in such diseases over recent years
has coincided with a reduction in the incidence of parasitic worms in
humans.

Four tenths had worms

As little as 70 years ago, he said, 40% of US children enjoyed the company
of worms which could grow up to 20 centimetres long.

Dr Mark Cottrill, a Lancashire GP with a special interest in IBD, said the
use of worms was certainly novel.

He said: "I'm always open-minded about any innovation, even though
treatments have become much better."

He said that he occasionally found harmless worms living in peace in his
patients when he examined them with a colonoscope.

He said: "You do see these white things which don't like the light and
wriggle away."

Other scientists, such as Dr Balfour Sartor, from the University of North
Carolina, are experimenting with the use of bacteria to damp down the
immune system in IBD patients.

He said of Dr Weinstock's work: "It's an appealing way of using something
that's of fairly low toxicity to treat a set of diseases that for now we
don't have a cure for."

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