Re: [darktable-user] Setting resolution for an on-line photography competition
Go to Export settings, then global options and select set size, select "in inch (for print)". The default is "in pixels (for file)'. When you select "in inch (for print), delete the 300 and put in 72. Willy ** On 1/23/24 17:20, Andrew Greig wrote: Hi I have recently decided to jump into photographic competition, and one of the requirements for submission is to adjust my file to 72 PPI what would be the best settings for export please? Kind regards Andrew Greig darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Installing darktable 4.6 in Ubuntu 22.04.3 why is it so hard?
Andrew, why not head over to https://flathub.org/apps/search?q=darktable. I have it installed on my Linux Mint installation without difficulty. Willy Williams ** On 12/27/2023 at 8:04, Andrew Greig wrote: I have backed up my ~config/darktable of 4.4.2 and I have issues with the installation, what is best? apt snap or flatpack? why do we have such a shit fight? In 2002 I was using Mandrake and it was as smooth as. Best detection and configuration of hardware because of the outstanding installer, but here we are 21 years later and things are really shit!! I would like to install 4.6 because I purchased an Olympus TG-7, and DT can open the .orf files. Normally I would wait three months before upgrading but I am keen to open the .orf files I have saved but have not been able to open. Kind regards Andrew -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: ***SPAM*** [darktable-user] darktable 4.6.0 released
For those that use a flatpak installation on Linux, be aware that the flatpak is labeled as darktable 4.4.2, not 4.6.0, but the installation results in 4.6.0 being installed. Willy ** On 12/21/23 13:19, Pascal Obry wrote: We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 4.6.0! The github release is here: [https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-4.6.0](https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-4.6.0) . As always, please don't use the autogenerated tarball provided by github, but only our tar.xz file. The checksums are: ``` $ sha256sum darktable-4.6.0.tar.xz 724b27e3204d1822de6dc53ea090a6b1ce55f7c32226d34642689775c68aacc2 darktable-4.6.0.tar.xz $ sha256sum darktable-4.6.0-x86_64.dmg e4e53cc1ec6a5800029f39728c024882a0357458f5c8d8e0ff16dfe034e701ed darktable-4.6.0-x86_64.dmg $ sha256sum darktable-4.6.0-arm64.dmg c2649a07410d70f5da57f9c3583f24c6a97adb994924af88f132a2232ddf7ab4 darktable-4.6.0-arm64.dmg $ sha256sum darktable-4.6.0-win64.exe 765fc4d9e67937663253f7cc4d20d4ba829e910ff92626c06dc0846e2ddc77de darktable-4.6.0.exe ``` When updating from the stable 4.4 series, please bear in mind that your edits will be preserved during this process, but the new library and configuration will no longer be usable with 4.4. You are strongly advised to take a backup first. Important note: to make sure that darktable can keep on supporting the raw file format for your camera, *please* read [this post](https://discuss.pixls.us/t/raw-samples-wanted/5420?u=lebedevri) on how/what raw samples you can contribute to ensure that we have the *full* raw sample set for your camera under CC0 license! Since darktable 4.4: - 1648 commits to darktable+rawspeed - 553 pull requests handled - 49 issues closed _Please note that the darktable documentation is not currently complete for release 4.6 and contributions are greatly appreciated. Please see the [project documentation](https://github.com/darktable-org/dtdocs#contributing) for more information on how to contribute._ ## The Big Ones The following is a summary of the main features added to darktable 4.6. Please see the user manual for more details of the individual changes (where available). - Editing history is now periodically auto-saved (every 10 seconds) while editing images in the darkroom view. The auto-save interval can be changed (via a preference) or auto-save can be disabled entirely (by setting the interval to 0). - A new processing module _rgb primaries_ has been added. This module can be used for delicate color corrections as well as creative color grading. It allows the red, green and blue primary colors to be moved around using "hue" and "purity" controls. The underlying pixel operation is essentially the same as channel mixing. - In addition, the _sigmoid_ module now includes a new _primaries_ section, which can be used to gracefully handle difficult lighting situations (e.g. LEDs) and tune the overall look of the image. Modifying these parameters can provide pleasing sunsets, improved skin tones etc. This feature can only be used with sigmoid's per-channel mode and is loosely based on ideas from Troy Sobotka's [AgX](https://github.com/sobotka/AgX-S2O3) and related work in the [Blender community](https://blenderartists.org/t/feedback-development-filmic-baby-step-to-a-v2/1361663 ). The included "smooth" preset should provide a good starting point for further corrections using this feature. - When working with the liquify and retouch modules, the full uncropped image is now always shown, with any crop indicated by displaying an overlaid rectangle. This allows for cropped-out parts of the image to be used without having to first disable the crop module and re-enable it when finished. - When panning or zooming in the darkroom view, a low resolution placeholder used to be shown until the image was fully recalculated for the newly-visible region. Now, if any part of the previous view is still visible, that part will be immediately shown in high quality, with only the remainder of the image being temporarily shown in low quality until the pipe has finished. This has been achieved as part of a complete reworking of the darkroom image display, which has also removed some annoying jumps when replacing the low resolution placeholder with recalculated image data, or when switching between full and cropped view (when the crop, retouch or liquify modules are (un)focused). ## Performance Improvements - OpenCL is now initialized in the background immediately after launching the darktable UI, with progress indicated by a series of toast messages. Previously, this was done before the main UI was launched, which could lead to significant delays (sometimes more than a minute) between the user opening darktable and anything appearing on-screen, making it appear as though darktable had failed to
Re: [darktable-user] Black point compensation when printing
Look at pp. 99 and 204 in The Fine Manual. Willy ** On 12/13/2023 at 7:06, Victor wrote: I'm using DT 4.2.2 on Ubuntu and send my jpeg files for printing to an external lab (Saal Digital) that provides me with the icc profile files for soft-proofing the various type of paper I want to be used. The lab gives me also the setup for the printing on each kind of paper: for instance Color space:RGB intent of rendering: relative colorimetric ...AND... Black Point Compensation: Active I don't know how to set this last item (black point compensation) in DT. Any help? Thank you Vittorio darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Module "rotate and perspective" / aspect ratio
Michael, Are you using the "fit" icons () to achieve your objective? Look at section 8.2.58 on p. 167-170 of The Fine Manual. Willy Williams ** On 12/10/2023 at 13:13, Michael Fritze wrote: Hi, I use the "rotate and perspective" a lot and I only miss one feature. Maybe I did not find it, maybe there is another module to do this. When I use this module most times X/Y ratio does not look correct. E.g. squares are not squares and circles look like an ellipse. Is there a way to scale aspect ratio? darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] workflow hints
Germano, I'd like to suggest that you adopt a storage scheme to help with your confusion. Without knowing the specifics of your current scheme, I'll use my own as an example. When I have shot a job, I create a new folder that I'll call "20230614 - Germano". Under that folder, I create the following folders from my template: 0 - JPG 0 - RAW 1 0 - RAW 2 1 - Stacked 2 - DeNoise 3 - Sharpen 4 - HDR 5 - Edits 6 - Finals 7 - Video. The numbers I chose allow me to keep my order of processing consistent. I'll later delete folders that I didn't actually use. Photos right out of the camera go into the zero-level folders as appropriate. Typically, I shoot RAW only, and send duplicates of any given image to both cards simultaneously (belt-and-suspenders approach). If I choose to shoot both JPG and RAW, the JPGs go into the appropriate folder. I also create two additional folders at the root level: 1 - New Imports 2 - Exports Under Exports, I create the following structure: 1 - Stacked 2 - DeNoise 3 - Sharpen 4 - HDR 5 - darktable 6 - RE (Real Estate - special requirements for image dimensions and file size) 7 - Panorama If I'm going to stack images, that happens first, with the stacked image being exported to 2 - Exports, 1 - Stacked. You get the idea. Exports from any processing application go to the 2 - Exports folder appropriate to the job being done. The exported files are subsequently moved to the Date - Job folder as appropriate before the next step in processing. The last step in processing is darktable. Files are exported from darktable, sized as required by the client. I hope this is clear and provides you some guidance. If not, feel free to ask your questions. Willy Williams * On 6/13/2023 at 11:58, Germano Massullo wrote: Good day, I would like to ask what is your darktable workflow when you have an album made of RAWs + JPEGs (camera generated), and you want to keep certain camera generated JPEGs and generate some JPEGs with darktable. I import only RAWs in darktable, and last time I ended up being confused because I could not recognize in lighttable which photos I retouched and which not. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 4.2.1 released
If anyone is interested, the flatpak for darktable 4.2.1 was made available this morning. Willy Williams * darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] A weird occurrence
I think the issue was resolved by updating Linux Mint from 21 to 21.1 today. I now have the appropriate icons on both desktop and the system tray. Curious phenomenon... Willy Williams On 1/9/23 09:23, Willy Williams wrote: I was finally able to successfully get darktable 4.2.0 to install on my one Linux Mint machine yesterday after having had to delete virtually everything darktable-related from prior versions due to bogus lock file issues. The reinstalled product works splendidly, but I've run into a true confuser. The small darktable shutter logo does not appear in the start menu, although the text does appear, and when I pin darktable to the system tray, a blank space appears where the shutter should appear. When I click on either, darktable starts and runs without a hitch. It's just that the shutter logo is absent. Any clues as to how to remedy this condition? Willy Williams -- "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a thousand stories ... stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way above any description." - Sameh Elsayed -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] missing database
Jan, it might be helpful to provide the list with your operating system (Linux / Windows / Mac). All store data in different places. Willy Williams *** On 2/12/23 08:55, Jan Minekus wrote: Hello, I try to install darktable again in my freshly installed computer. Problem is the standard database is missing. Local directory does not have a darktable directory which I can overwrite with a backup. I tried to start darktable without the database but that window is rubbish. What is wrong? What can I do?? darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] missing database
On my Windows 10 system, it's in C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\darktable. You will likely need to give yourself admin privileges to access this location. Willy Williams * On 2/12/2023 at 09:43, Jan Minekus wrote: Hello, I just realized that my systeem info is missing. I'm sorry! My system HP labtop Windows 10 home, 64 bits. It may be connected to my deinstallation of darktable that did't function. darktable 4.02 gave problems, so I installed 4.01 version after making a backup of tthe database folder. darktable 4.01 had no problems. Regards, Jan Minekus Op 12-2-2023 om 15:32 schreef Patrick Shanahan: * Jan Minekus [02-12-23 09:02]: Hello, I try to install darktable again in my freshly installed computer. Problem is the standard database is missing. Local directory does not have a darktable directory which I can overwrite with a backup. I tried to start darktable without the database but that window is rubbish. What is wrong? What can I do?? what operating system? on linux you can copy your backup library.db to ~/.config/darktable/ I am guessing windows and I can offer you no help there. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] A weird occurrence
Jean-Luc, I've rapidly come to the opinion that flatpaks are akin to the kiss of death. I, too, will learn from this experience, and will do much better next time. In the meantime, I've backed up all my settings for an easier installation using a more appropriate (to the Linux system) methodology. Thanks again for your comments. And thanks to Patrick, too, for his advice. Willy Williams * On 1/10/2023 at 11:48, Jean-Luc wrote: Le 09/01/2023 à 19:24, Willy Williams a écrit : Thanks, Michael. I'm not yet sufficiently versed in Linux Mint to install otherwise, but Ill get there. Willy Williams On 1/9/2023 at 13:15, Michael Rasmussen wrote: On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 12:47:12 -0500 Willy Williams wrote: Thanks, Jean-Luc. I have installed darktable using a flatpak, so everything is in a different place. I'll keep digging into this. Never use flatpak since flatpak breaks the integration to Gimp and could break the integration to OpenCL. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org I was kindly helped in my attempt to build on Ubuntu - I even found that I asked twice within a couple of months, which I apologize for. Maybe you could find such help so as to build on your system. I have banned both snaps and flatpacks from my system. They both lead to weird behaviours. I hope next time I will successfully build without needing any help. Rgrds, darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] A weird occurrence
Thanks, Patrick, When I clicked on the link, I get this window: And none of the options show the darktable shutter image. As a reminder, I am using Linux Mint and installed using a flatpak, so files are in a different location than what I'm used to. Very confusing! Any idea what the filename for that specific image is? I can certainly search for it and see where if resides, if it is there at all. Willy Williams On 1/9/23 12:51, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Jean-Luc [01-09-23 12:38]: Le 09/01/2023 à 15:23, Willy Williams a écrit : I was finally able to successfully get darktable 4.2.0 to install on my one Linux Mint machine yesterday after having had to delete virtually everything darktable-related from prior versions due to bogus lock file issues. The reinstalled product works splendidly, but I've run into a true confuser. The small darktable shutter logo does not appear in the start menu, although the text does appear, and when I pin darktable to the system tray, a blank space appears where the shutter should appear. When I click on either, darktable starts and runs without a hitch. It's just that the shutter logo is absent. Any clues as to how to remedy this condition? Willy Williams -- "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a thousand stories ... stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way above any description." - Sameh Elsayed -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org Hello Willy, This happened to me when I compiled using cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/darktable/ .. I solved it by putting dt in /usr instead cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ .. Hope this helps. if plasma5/kde5, probably the icon noted in darktable.desktop is not where the file believes on the link and oper properties the dt logo should appear upper left you can click on that space and provide the correct location. if you need help locating the icon, just ask darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] A weird occurrence
Thanks, Michael. I'm not yet sufficiently versed in Linux Mint to install otherwise, but Ill get there. Willy Williams On 1/9/2023 at 13:15, Michael Rasmussen wrote: On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 12:47:12 -0500 Willy Williams wrote: Thanks, Jean-Luc. I have installed darktable using a flatpak, so everything is in a different place. I'll keep digging into this. Never use flatpak since flatpak breaks the integration to Gimp and could break the integration to OpenCL. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] A weird occurrence
Thanks, Jean-Luc. I have installed darktable using a flatpak, so everything is in a different place. I'll keep digging into this. Willy Williams On 1/9/2023 at 12:37, Jean-Luc wrote: Le 09/01/2023 à 15:23, Willy Williams a écrit : I was finally able to successfully get darktable 4.2.0 to install on my one Linux Mint machine yesterday after having had to delete virtually everything darktable-related from prior versions due to bogus lock file issues. The reinstalled product works splendidly, but I've run into a true confuser. The small darktable shutter logo does not appear in the start menu, although the text does appear, and when I pin darktable to the system tray, a blank space appears where the shutter should appear. When I click on either, darktable starts and runs without a hitch. It's just that the shutter logo is absent. Any clues as to how to remedy this condition? Willy Williams -- "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a thousand stories ... stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way above any description." - Sameh Elsayed -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org Hello Willy, This happened to me when I compiled using cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/opt/darktable/ .. I solved it by putting dt in /usr instead cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/ .. Hope this helps. Rgrds, And best wishes to everyone. J.-Luc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] A weird occurrence
I was finally able to successfully get darktable 4.2.0 to install on my one Linux Mint machine yesterday after having had to delete virtually everything darktable-related from prior versions due to bogus lock file issues. The reinstalled product works splendidly, but I've run into a true confuser. The small darktable shutter logo does not appear in the start menu, although the text does appear, and when I pin darktable to the system tray, a blank space appears where the shutter should appear. When I click on either, darktable starts and runs without a hitch. It's just that the shutter logo is absent. Any clues as to how to remedy this condition? Willy Williams -- "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a thousand stories ... stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way above any description." - Sameh Elsayed -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Time for a new system
The point of my suggestion, Patrick, is in keeping with Chris' #2 rule for business continuity - "*/2) the data is at two different geographical locations./*" Setting up a server at home violates that premise, especially when one runs a NAS at home. Willy Williams * On 12/19/2022 at 10:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [12-19-22 09:56]: To piggyback on Chris' comments, there's a relatively new remote personal cloud storage option known as the AmberPRO -https://shop.myamberlife.com/collections/all/products/amber?variant=22314078404666. Put one of these at a friend's home in another part of the region. Set it up on its own UPS, with Ethernet surge protection such as this -https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-ETH-SP-G2-Surge-Suppressor-Protector/dp/B079HXKRW1/ref=asc_df_B079HXKRW1?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20=df0=79989588513695=s=e=be=c===pla-4583589115360178=1 to guard against lightning surges. You can even plug in an external hard drive (or SSD) for additional storage. Hard to beat this option. Willy Williams *** On 12/16/2022 at 14:27, Chris Albertson wrote: Actualy you can extend Macro's comments like this... Just my 2 cents. Who says that "X" is reliable? It can be hacked, get bankrupt or change price/policy, catch on fire, destroy by an earthquake or nuclear war The above is true for all manner of "X", that is why you have these basic rules for backup 1) the data shall always exist on three different physical file systems 2) The data shall always exist at two different geographical locations 3) new data shall never overwrite old data, subject to some reasonable retention period. This rule is critical. A common problem is file corruption. You never want the problem where a corrupted version of a file overwrite the backed up uncorrupted version. You have to keep the old copies of the files. So re-used backup media is a bad ide. Batter to just write the changes to the media until the media is full. Keepingn to overwriting the old data. You can do this in lots of ways, the common "build vs buy vs rent" analysis can be applied. The most common cause for data lost is no longer a failed disk. The most common is: #1 Operator error, you delete a file and you don't notice this until much later. #2 loss of equipment, misplaced notebook, theft or fire, electric surge,... A really good offsite system s to setup a second NAS across town and let then keep sysnc'd over the INternet. Now you have second-by-second backup. Is the NAS uses a versioned filesystem then you have point in time recovery. You can buy the NAS, built is to rent space on some company's NAS. A lot depends on if the data is business critical or not. Where I used to work there where three offsite company own NAS systems. Triple redundant offsite is kind of nuts for most people but the data was historic data from past space missions. On 06/12/22 17:26, Marco DE BOOIJ wrote: Just my 2 cents. Who says that the cloud is 100% reliable? Can be hacked, get bankrupt or change price/policy. Until now not heard of the first 2 but the 3rd has happened. My 'solution'. Just buy 2 cheap external discs. Backup to both disks and bring one to a friend/relative (not your neighbour because if your place burns, the neighbours place will likely burn too). Next backups backup to the disc at your place and exchange it with the other one and backup again on this disc. Some work with minimal cost. So you have 3 different media and 2 different geographical locations. Regards, Marco Op 6/12/2022 om 00:48 schreef Chris Albertson: On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:59 PM David Vincent-Jones wrote: Yes, the cloud .. just another cost that we are being talked into! OK, you don't want to pay to use other peole's storage. Then buy a second NAS and place it in some other building and use that. You can work out if it is cheaper to rent or buy storage. Likely it does cost less in the long run to buy your own off-site storage but it will require some time for you to devote to keeping it running. What is your time worth? We assume this is a business and not a hobby. The company I used to work for used three large storage systems each one in a different city and they kept them all in sync. But they already had IT staff and the server rooms in place. Synology does make backing up to a remote NAS really easy to setup. The only problem is the up-front cost is at least doubled because you need a second NAS box. So you have to decide if you would rather pay $1,200 for the hardware of $30 per month for a service. The usual rule of thumb about backing up business critical data is that is
Re: [darktable-user] Time for a new system
To piggyback on Chris' comments, there's a relatively new remote personal cloud storage option known as the AmberPRO - https://shop.myamberlife.com/collections/all/products/amber?variant=22314078404666. Put one of these at a friend's home in another part of the region. Set it up on its own UPS, with Ethernet surge protection such as this - https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-ETH-SP-G2-Surge-Suppressor-Protector/dp/B079HXKRW1/ref=asc_df_B079HXKRW1?tag=bngsmtphsnus-20=df0=79989588513695=s=e=be=c===pla-4583589115360178=1 to guard against lightning surges. You can even plug in an external hard drive (or SSD) for additional storage. Hard to beat this option. Willy Williams *** On 12/16/2022 at 14:27, Chris Albertson wrote: Actualy you can extend Macro's comments like this... Just my 2 cents. Who says that "X" is reliable? It can be hacked, get bankrupt or change price/policy, catch on fire, destroy by an earthquake or nuclear war The above is true for all manner of "X", that is why you have these basic rules for backup 1) the data shall always exist on three different physical file systems 2) The data shall always exist at two different geographical locations 3) new data shall never overwrite old data, subject to some reasonable retention period. This rule is critical. A common problem is file corruption. You never want the problem where a corrupted version of a file overwrite the backed up uncorrupted version. You have to keep the old copies of the files. So re-used backup media is a bad ide. Batter to just write the changes to the media until the media is full. Keepingn to overwriting the old data. You can do this in lots of ways, the common "build vs buy vs rent" analysis can be applied. The most common cause for data lost is no longer a failed disk. The most common is: #1 Operator error, you delete a file and you don't notice this until much later. #2 loss of equipment, misplaced notebook, theft or fire, electric surge,... A really good offsite system s to setup a second NAS across town and let then keep sysnc'd over the INternet. Now you have second-by-second backup. Is the NAS uses a versioned filesystem then you have point in time recovery. You can buy the NAS, built is to rent space on some company's NAS. A lot depends on if the data is business critical or not. Where I used to work there where three offsite company own NAS systems. Triple redundant offsite is kind of nuts for most people but the data was historic data from past space missions. On 06/12/22 17:26, Marco DE BOOIJ wrote: Just my 2 cents. Who says that the cloud is 100% reliable? Can be hacked, get bankrupt or change price/policy. Until now not heard of the first 2 but the 3rd has happened. My 'solution'. Just buy 2 cheap external discs. Backup to both disks and bring one to a friend/relative (not your neighbour because if your place burns, the neighbours place will likely burn too). Next backups backup to the disc at your place and exchange it with the other one and backup again on this disc. Some work with minimal cost. So you have 3 different media and 2 different geographical locations. Regards, Marco Op 6/12/2022 om 00:48 schreef Chris Albertson: On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:59 PM David Vincent-Jones wrote: Yes, the cloud .. just another cost that we are being talked into! OK, you don't want to pay to use other peole's storage. Then buy a second NAS and place it in some other building and use that. You can work out if it is cheaper to rent or buy storage. Likely it does cost less in the long run to buy your own off-site storage but it will require some time for you to devote to keeping it running. What is your time worth? We assume this is a business and not a hobby. The company I used to work for used three large storage systems each one in a different city and they kept them all in sync. But they already had IT staff and the server rooms in place. Synology does make backing up to a remote NAS really easy to setup. The only problem is the up-front cost is at least doubled because you need a second NAS box. So you have to decide if you would rather pay $1,200 for the hardware of $30 per month for a service. The usual rule of thumb about backing up business critical data is that is all cases 1) the data is one three different media and 2) the data is at two different geographical locations. Usually this means the Data is on your computer, your backup disk or NAS, and in a cloud server. That is three different media. and your office and the cloud provide two different geographic locations. The above is the minimum. Your share holders would consider you incompetent and su
Re: [darktable-user] Corrupted installation of darktable on Linux Mint 21
In checking today, the System Monitor (as suggested) showed only the error message window as shown below. There were no darktable-related processes running (which I anticipated, given that darktable refused to start). I ran the ps tool that Remco suggested, and got the same results. I could find NO lock files related to darktable anywhere on the system; neither data.db.lock nor library.db.lock (p. 287 in The Fine Manual). What to do now? I moved data.db and library.db to the desktop. Lo and behold, darktable started normally. I have to presume that one or the other were corrupted, so both got deleted. In any case, darktable is once again up and running. I am looking forward to v4.2.0 popping out of the chute in the very near future. Thanks to Butch and Remco for their suggestions. Willy Williams ** On 12/15/22 22:57, Butch Carpenter wrote: On 12/15/22 18:10, Willy Williams wrote: I've run into a challenge on my one Linux Mint 21 computer. Since yesterday, when I start darktable, I get the message below. I've deleted the lock files repeatedly, to no avail. I've uninstalled and reinstalled darktable, but get the same message every time. I am NOT a Linux wizard and haven't a good idea of how to resolve this issue. Anyone got some good advice? I'm hoping to come to a successful resolution before darktable 4.2 springs out later this month. Willy Williams -- "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a thousand stories ... stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way above any description." - Sameh Elsayed -- I am not a Mint user (I use Ubuntu), but you should have an application named "System Monitor". You need to open that and make sure you are on the Processes tab. If you see one called 'darktable', press End Process on the lower right border of the System Monitor window, then press End Process on the pop-up. Check to make sure you do not have multiple darktable processes. Cecil Carpenter darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] Corrupted installation of darktable on Linux Mint 21
I've run into a challenge on my one Linux Mint 21 computer. Since yesterday, when I start darktable, I get the message below. I've deleted the lock files repeatedly, to no avail. I've uninstalled and reinstalled darktable, but get the same message every time. I am NOT a Linux wizard and haven't a good idea of how to resolve this issue. Anyone got some good advice? I'm hoping to come to a successful resolution before darktable 4.2 springs out later this month. Willy Williams -- "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a thousand stories ... stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way above any description." - Sameh Elsayed -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question re: database snapshots
The settings on both the "A" and "B" machines are identical. They sit side-by-side, so it's easy to compare. I've even done a search to see if the snap files were in a different folder on the "A" machine, to no avail. Willy Williams *** On 12/11/2022 at 13:26, Bernhard wrote: you are sure that the settings in "Storage" are really the same? https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/en/preferences-settings/storage/#database darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Mouse hover in darktable 4.0.1 under Linux Mint 21 apparently not working
I am using darktable 4.0.1 under Linux Mint 21 and having no difficulty with the hover-over working properly to bring up the full file path. I don't use the color picker, so I can't help you there. Willy Williams * On 12/5/22 10:00, tony Hamilton wrote: Apologies to those who have already seen my poorly expressed request for help in discuss.pixls.us, but this problem remains with no method of resolution. In the instances of darktable 4.0.1 and 4.1.0 which I can run, mouse hover in dt 4.0.1 under Mint 21 - for example in the full path entry in the file information module - does not result in the full path being expanded, in the circumstance where the ellipsis is displayed, There is no action that I can detect. Similarly a hover over color-picker data does not result in information about skin ethnicity being displayed. In both of these examples this function works as documented in other instances of Linux or of Mint). I have just the one system running Mint 21 so although this looks very likely to be a Mint 21 issue rather than a dt 4.0.1 issue, I cannot prove or disprove it. I am not aware of any settings/preferences in dt that might be relevant, so are there any suggestions from the Linux experts among us who could advise as to which setting in Mint 21 I should be checking, which might affect this behaviour ? darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] How To View My Photo At Actual Print Size in DT
Thanks for the clarity, Remco. Willy Williams *** On 11/21/2022 at 9:59, Remco Viëtor wrote: On lundi 21 novembre 2022 15:04:35 CET Gray Card wrote: If I'm understanding your question right, look in the top left of the darkroom screen. There's a small view of the photo. In the bottom right corner of the small view, there is an icon that resembles four corner arrows. Click on that icon and you'll see how to select 100%. I hope this is the answer you're seeking. That "100%" is a view in which 1 image pixel corresponds to 1 screen pixel. I don't think dt has an option to show the image at the actual print size: there is not really an option to **set** the print size, so how can you display at that size? Keep in mind that the whole notion of resolution in ppi is not really relevant for digital image files, as they do not have an inherent physical size. Take screen sizes: screens with a native size of 1980×1080 pixels exist in different physical sizes, an image of 1980×1080 pixels will display full screen on all of those... On 11/21/22 08:35, Victor wrote: I know that in photoshop you can view your photos at actual print size via the view menu item "Actual Size" which, in a nutshell, considers both the size of your print and the resolution of your monitor. Is there any way to do the same in Darktable? If yes, how? Ciao Vittorio __ __ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exif info not in shot
Sorry, I forgot one step in red, below. On 9/26/2022 at 10:47, Willy Williams wrote: From the darkroom screen, go to Export, click on the hamburger, then preferences, to edit metadata exportation and be sure that the EXIF data block is checked. Be sure to save afterwards if you make any changes. Willy Williams * On 9/26/2022 at 10:11, Jason Polak wrote: Hey List, I'm using Darktable 4.0.0. When I export my images the EXIF information isn't in them any more...is there an option somewhere to turn this back on? I can't seem to find it. Thanks Jason darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] exif info not in shot
From the darkroom screen, go to Export, click on the hamburger to edit metadata exportation and be sure that the EXIF data block is checked. Be sure to save afterwards if you make any changes. Willy Williams * On 9/26/2022 at 10:11, Jason Polak wrote: Hey List, I'm using Darktable 4.0.0. When I export my images the EXIF information isn't in them any more...is there an option somewhere to turn this back on? I can't seem to find it. Thanks Jason darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] missing styles menu on master 8f7052d32
Check section "8.3.2.6. styles" on p. 195 in The Fine Manual. On 3/21/22 at 16:51, Patrick Shanahan wrote: where has the "Styles" menu option on the right hand panel gone? did I miss something darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux
Thank you, Pascal. One more thing to learn. Willy Williams ** On 3/1/2022 at 12:15, Pascal Obry wrote: Hello ! I believe that if you convert the text to a path all will work well. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux
Pascal, you were correct. The watermark works well in Linux now. Thank you! Willy Williams On 3/1/22 at 12:15, Pascal Obry wrote: Hello ! I believe that if you convert the text to a path all will work well. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] Question regarding .svg watermarks comparing Windows and Ubuntu Linux
Question: I have some .svg watermark files that were generated in Inkscape on the Windows machines. They work superbly when applied using darktable on the Windows machines. When I copy those same .svg files to the Linux machine and put them in the correct place, then open them using the Inkscape instance on the Linux machine, there is no apparent difference, compared to the same files opened in Inkscape on the Windows machines. That said, when I apply the .svg file watermarks to any image using darktable on the Linux machine, the graphic "signature" is represented perfectly, but the text portion is significantly shrunk side-to-side, but only when applied using darktable. Anybody have ideas regarding the issue? Are there any fonts that do NOT work right when migrated from Windows to Linux? Inquiring minds want to know... Willy Williams -- "When a photo of a person looks deep into your spirit and tells you a thousand stories ... stories from your past even before you existed, then the photo is way above any description." - Sameh Elsayed -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.6.1 Lens correction Panasonic Cameras Missing
Stefan, See if you can find the Panasonic DC-G9 in your setup. I use the same camera and it's listed as "DC-G9", not just G9. Willy Williams * On 2/17/2022 at 16:08, Stefan Schmidt wrote: Hi I have just updated from dt 3.2.1. to 3.6.1 I use ubuntu 20.04 and I have installed dt 3.6.1. via the ubuntu software center via snap latest/candidate In the 3.6.1. version my two cameras (Panasonic GX80 (also called GX85) and Panasonic G9) cannot be found in the lens correction module. There is a large list of Panasonic Cameras but not those two. Is there anything necessary to update that list? Best Stefan darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] 3.8.1 Under expose / black level warning error ?
It's working for me on a really dark image taken on my G9. Willy Williams ** On 2/14/2022 at 13:48, Francesco Scaglioni wrote: Hi Running 3.8.1 on Ubuntu 20.04 with images from a Fujifilm XT-3. I often use the ( " Keyboard default O " ) highlights and shadows warning. It appears that the highlights warning is working but that the shadows ( defaults to blue ) may not be ? Or am I missing some numpty configuration option ? Any suggestions much appreciated. Cheers, F darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Histogram Location
Look in your .config/darktable/darktablerc file for this line: "plugins/darkroom/histogram/panel_position=right" Change the last word to "left". It's line 508 on my Linux machine. Hit Ctrl-Shift-n to get rid of the thumbnail. Willy Williams On 1/21/22 at 15:51, David Vincent-Jones wrote: I notice that some demo videos are showing the histogram located top-left on the darkroom display. This would be helpful on my rather smaller screen. I do not see in the manual where to effect this option. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: Fwd: Fwd: [darktable-user] Timestamp oddity
Bruce, I primarily use a Windoze machine on which the times match the times on the camera body, including time zone. No problem with darktable keeping the time straight. The same photos pulled into a Ubuntu Linux machine again show the same time. I have to wonder if you have the right time zone set into your camera and both Windoze and Linux Mint? On my machines, time zone is in the O/S, not the BIOS. Might be a good idea to check the time zone settings in your O/Ss. Willy Williams * On 1/19/22 at 17:56, Bruce Williams wrote: OK, I think I understand what you said Nick. :) I also tried some of those ls switches on my own memory card and was able to replicate your results. Of course, mine are all +11, not -5, but that's to be expected. But where does that leave us? Is this a dt issue that the devs can fix? Or is it a linux issue? Thing is, because I dual boot with windoze 10, I do recall that I had to do some strange offset thing in linux because windoze can't handle time zones the way linux does. I'd have to go and look up what it was that I had to do to get both windoze and linux to display the correct time zone, but I vaguely recall it required allowing windoze to retrieve the time zone info from BIOS, and then applying some kind of offset in linux to compensate. Whether any of that is related to this dt issue or not, I'm not sure. Although I suspect not, based on your ls results. Cheers, Bruce Williams -- Shutters Inc podcast <http://www.shuttersincpodcast.com>, the world's best-loved photography podcast Understanding darktable <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkqe4BYsllmcxo2dsF-rFQw> on youtube e-mail <mailto:stu...@audio2u.com> | Twitter <http://twitter.com/audio2u> | LinkedIn <http://linkedin.com/in/bruce-williams-4893181/> | Facebook <http://facebook.com/audio2u> | Soundcloud <http://soundcloud.com/audio2u> | Quora <http://quora.com/profile/Bruce-Williams-5?share=1> -- Forwarded message - From: *Neal Holtz* Date: Thu, Jan 20, 2022 at 8:44 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: [darktable-user] Timestamp oddity To: I have my camera (Nikon) set to EST (UTC-5). Just took a photo at 2022-01-19 15:42 EST. My computer displayed it as 10:42, not 15:42. Timezone info is not recorded with the file time stamp. So host computer has to assume UTC for the timestamps. Probably the only reasonable assumption for external file systems that were created elsewhere. The file *in the camera file system* is given in local camera time. It would be preferable to be in UTC. The following is on the camera file system, before copying to computer: > nholtz@photos:176ND850$ pwd > /media/nholtz/NIKON D850/DCIM/176ND850 > nholtz@photos:176ND850$ ls -l > total 25152 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 nholtz nholtz 53141230 Jan 19 10:42 D85_1332.NEF* The above shows that 15:42 was recorded, but was displayed as 10:42 because my computer is also set to UTC-5. A little more evidence: > nholtz@photos:176ND850$ ls --full-time > total 25152 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 nholtz nholtz 53141230 2022-01-19 10:42:08.91000 -0500 D85_1332.NEF* The '-0500' is the timezone in which to interpret the 10:42 time. It has been adjusted for display in that timezone. And more, telling the ls command to assume UTC time zone: > nholtz@photos:176ND850$ TZ=UTC ls --full-time > total 25152 > -rwxr-xr-x 1 nholtz nholtz 53141230 2022-01-19 15:42:08.91000 + D85_1332.NEF* > nholtz@photos:176ND850$ We are back to the 15:42, with UTC offset of , as set by the camera. Summary: My camera (Nikon) just stamps the files with whatever local time you have set, ignoring timezone. Then the computer you copy the file to applies its timezone info when it displays the times. So if your time is set 'correctly' in the camera (ignoring timezone), the timezone must be incorrect on the computer. On 2022-01-19 3:27 p.m., Bruce Williams wrote: > OK, following Christian's train of thought, I just took another image at > 07:21 on Jan 20th. > I took the memory card out of the camera, put it in my card reader which > attaches to my pc via USB port, and opened the containing folder in Nemo > (file manager). > Sure enough, the Date Modified timestamp says January 20th at 18:21 > 11 hours into the future. > No other app has come into contact with the files on the memory card. I > NEVER use any other image editing/viewing software to access the images > on my memory cards. It is always a case of: > 1. files written to card by camera's image processor > 2. memory card mounted via card reader to linux mint > 3. files imported directly into darktable > 4. memory card ejected properly via nemo. > > Cheers, > Bruce Williams > -- > Shutters Inc podcast <http://www.shuttersincpodcast.com>
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Pascal, I've read through The Fine Manual several times looking for a means to duplicate the importing process I had used through v3.4. To be more specific, I read section 1.4.2, import & review, section 2 in its entirety, and section 9.4 lighttable. In reading through the Table of Contents, I saw nothing else that pertained to the job I need to accomplish. If I've missed something or misunderstood it, please feel free to enlighten me by referring me to a specific section. My copy of The Fine Manual is loaded with yellow stickies that mark sections that I have found helpful, so adding a few more will not hurt my feelings. Thanks. Willy Williams ** On 12/30/2021 at 10:07, Pascal Obry wrote: Willy, As much as I have been thinking that the module gods have been messing with me with the release of darktable 3.8, I did manage to figure it out (eventually) and we're good now. That experience has led to to make a request of the module gods, now that they've had their giggle. In releases of darktable as recently as v3.4, one had the option available in the lighttable view of importing images individually or from a folder (see this screen grab). Since v3.6, we've lost that ability and have been shoved kicking and screaming into this new paradigm. You really want to read the manual. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
As much as I have been thinking that the module gods have been messing with me with the release of darktable 3.8, I did manage to figure it out (eventually) and we're good now. That experience has led to to make a request of the module gods, now that they've had their giggle. In releases of darktable as recently as v3.4, one had the option available in the lighttable view of importing images individually or from a folder (see this screen grab). Since v3.6, we've lost that ability and have been shoved kicking and screaming into this new paradigm. Sadly, the new paradigm is a huge failure in my workflow, not to mention being a general PITA. That said, I'd like to request that there be an option in preferences - lighttable to choose the import methodology desired. Options could be called "file, folder" and "add to library, copy & import". This has a precedent under preferences - processing in which we can choose to auto-apply pixel workflow defaults, with "scene-referred", "display-referred" and "none" being the available choices. Thanks for considering this as an option for the next release of darktable. Willy Williams darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Re: split of Crop and Rotate to "Crop", and, "Rotate and Perspective" in 3.8
I, too, find the separation of crop, rotate and perspective rather difficult to justify. From my perspective of doing architectural and real estate photography, I'd prefer to have them all in a single module, not separated by retouch and exposure in the v3.0 RAW module order. Willy Williams On 12/30/2021 at 07:36, Archie Macintosh wrote: On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 at 11:26, Andrew Greig wrote: I gave this a red hot go out of respect for the developers, but I miss having Crop and rotate in the one module because I have to perform those two operations in almost every shot... I have to agree with Andrew: crop and rotate are operations I routinely use together – I almost never bother with perspective – so I, too, would prefer them to be together in a single module. (I can, of course, see that this preference is related to the kind of photography I do, and may not suit everyone.) (And this observation does not detract from my immense respect for, and gratitude to, the developers, for all their amazing work.) darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
Most certainly. Done is done. That said, I still think the module order gods have been messing with me... Willy Williams On 12/27/2021 at 9:10, Pascal Obry wrote: Le lundi 27 décembre 2021 à 07:28 -0500, Willy Williams a écrit : I'm beginning to think that the module order gods have been punking me since darktable 3.8 was released. Yesterday I got the Ubuntu 20.04 release on my third machine and set about synchronizing the preferences. Once again the module order came up in the display- referred mode despite me having set it to scene-referred in preferences - processing. This time I had all my preferences set identically, but doing the exit - restart routine did not achieve the desired result of having the modules in the scene-referred order. Then I noticed that the module order in darkroom was set to "legacy". Once that was reset to "v3.0 for RAW input", the modules regained their proper order. So to all those devious module order gods, I'm onto you now, you sneaky rascals! Just to be sure... You understand that the selected module order will be used only for new edits and that darktable will never ever change the module order of already edited images as it would change the final rendering. Right? darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
I'm beginning to think that the module order gods have been punking me since darktable 3.8 was released. Yesterday I got the Ubuntu 20.04 release on my third machine and set about synchronizing the preferences. Once again the module order came up in the display-referred mode despite me having set it to scene-referred in preferences - processing. This time I had all my preferences set identically, but doing the exit - restart routine did not achieve the desired result of having the modules in the scene-referred order. Then I noticed that the module order in darkroom was set to "legacy". Once that was reset to "v3.0 for RAW input", the modules regained their proper order. So to all those devious module order gods, I'm onto you now, you sneaky rascals! Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 15:09, Willy Williams wrote: And in a rare stroke of brilliance, I decided to switch the "A" machine to display-referred, exit darktable, restart darktable, switch processing back to scene-referred, and /VOILA!/, the module order on the "A" machine is now in the preferred order. Now I must display my penance to the module order gods by consuming a moderate quantity of Claret. Merry Christmas, all! Willy Williams **** On 12/24/2021 at 14:54, Willy Williams wrote: And after reading p. 285 in The Fine Manual, I find that the "A" machine is using the display-referred module order, but have yet to find where that can be rectified to the scene-referred module order. Ideas are most welcome. Willy Williams **** On 12/24/2021 at 10:35, Willy Williams wrote: First off, Merry Christmas to all, and thanks aplenty to the developers of darktable for yet another release. Now to a point of confusion for me. I have two basically identical Win 10 machines on which darktable is installed. In checking my configurations after loading v3.8 this morning I find that both machines are set to scene-referred (preferences - processing). All other options are identical on both machines. Yet when I open a photo in darkroom on the "B" machine, the module order precisely follows the scene-referred module order specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual as follows: watermark framing monochrome lowlight vision velvia color correction shadows and highlights contrast brightness saturation color balance rgb sharpen astrophoto denoise censorize crop exposure retouch rotate and perspective haze removal lens correction denoise (profiled) white balance On the "A" machine, the modules selected are the same, yet the order is mostly different as follows: watermark framing velvia sharpen color correction contrast brightness saturation monochrome lowlight vision shadows and highlights astrophoto denoise color balance rgb censorize haze removal crop rotate and perspective lens correction retouch exposure denoise (profiled) white balance Those modules in red are NOT in the sequence specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual, and as yet, I've not found a means of correcting the module order to be in sync with the specified order in The Fine Manual. Can anyone point me in the right direction to correct the module order on the "A" machine? We certainly do not wish to upset the module order gods on Christmas Eve. Thanks for any insights. Willy Williams ** darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
First off, Merry Christmas to all, and thanks aplenty to the developers of darktable for yet another release. Now to a point of confusion for me. I have two basically identical Win 10 machines on which darktable is installed. In checking my configurations after loading v3.8 this morning I find that both machines are set to scene-referred (preferences - processing). All other options are identical on both machines. Yet when I open a photo in darkroom on the "B" machine, the module order precisely follows the scene-referred module order specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual as follows: watermark framing monochrome lowlight vision velvia color correction shadows and highlights contrast brightness saturation color balance rgb sharpen astrophoto denoise censorize crop exposure retouch rotate and perspective haze removal lens correction denoise (profiled) white balance On the "A" machine, the modules selected are the same, yet the order is mostly different as follows: watermark framing velvia sharpen color correction contrast brightness saturation monochrome lowlight vision shadows and highlights astrophoto denoise color balance rgb censorize haze removal crop rotate and perspective lens correction retouch exposure denoise (profiled) white balance Those modules in red are NOT in the sequence specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual, and as yet, I've not found a means of correcting the module order to be in sync with the specified order in The Fine Manual. Can anyone point me in the right direction to correct the module order on the "A" machine? We certainly do not wish to upset the module order gods on Christmas Eve. Thanks for any insights. Willy Williams ** darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
And in a rare stroke of brilliance, I decided to switch the "A" machine to display-referred, exit darktable, restart darktable, switch processing back to scene-referred, and /VOILA!/, the module order on the "A" machine is now in the preferred order. Now I must display my penance to the module order gods by consuming a moderate quantity of Claret. Merry Christmas, all! Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 14:54, Willy Williams wrote: And after reading p. 285 in The Fine Manual, I find that the "A" machine is using the display-referred module order, but have yet to find where that can be rectified to the scene-referred module order. Ideas are most welcome. Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 10:35, Willy Williams wrote: First off, Merry Christmas to all, and thanks aplenty to the developers of darktable for yet another release. Now to a point of confusion for me. I have two basically identical Win 10 machines on which darktable is installed. In checking my configurations after loading v3.8 this morning I find that both machines are set to scene-referred (preferences - processing). All other options are identical on both machines. Yet when I open a photo in darkroom on the "B" machine, the module order precisely follows the scene-referred module order specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual as follows: watermark framing monochrome lowlight vision velvia color correction shadows and highlights contrast brightness saturation color balance rgb sharpen astrophoto denoise censorize crop exposure retouch rotate and perspective haze removal lens correction denoise (profiled) white balance On the "A" machine, the modules selected are the same, yet the order is mostly different as follows: watermark framing velvia sharpen color correction contrast brightness saturation monochrome lowlight vision shadows and highlights astrophoto denoise color balance rgb censorize haze removal crop rotate and perspective lens correction retouch exposure denoise (profiled) white balance Those modules in red are NOT in the sequence specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual, and as yet, I've not found a means of correcting the module order to be in sync with the specified order in The Fine Manual. Can anyone point me in the right direction to correct the module order on the "A" machine? We certainly do not wish to upset the module order gods on Christmas Eve. Thanks for any insights. Willy Williams ** darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.8.0 released
And after reading p. 285 in The Fine Manual, I find that the "A" machine is using the display-referred module order, but have yet to find where that can be rectified to the scene-referred module order. Ideas are most welcome. Willy Williams On 12/24/2021 at 10:35, Willy Williams wrote: First off, Merry Christmas to all, and thanks aplenty to the developers of darktable for yet another release. Now to a point of confusion for me. I have two basically identical Win 10 machines on which darktable is installed. In checking my configurations after loading v3.8 this morning I find that both machines are set to scene-referred (preferences - processing). All other options are identical on both machines. Yet when I open a photo in darkroom on the "B" machine, the module order precisely follows the scene-referred module order specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual as follows: watermark framing monochrome lowlight vision velvia color correction shadows and highlights contrast brightness saturation color balance rgb sharpen astrophoto denoise censorize crop exposure retouch rotate and perspective haze removal lens correction denoise (profiled) white balance On the "A" machine, the modules selected are the same, yet the order is mostly different as follows: watermark framing velvia sharpen color correction contrast brightness saturation monochrome lowlight vision shadows and highlights astrophoto denoise color balance rgb censorize haze removal crop rotate and perspective lens correction retouch exposure denoise (profiled) white balance Those modules in red are NOT in the sequence specified in Section 12.7 on p. 282 of The Fine Manual, and as yet, I've not found a means of correcting the module order to be in sync with the specified order in The Fine Manual. Can anyone point me in the right direction to correct the module order on the "A" machine? We certainly do not wish to upset the module order gods on Christmas Eve. Thanks for any insights. Willy Williams ** darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] RE: My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom
RAW files are all stored in full color. You create the monochrome JPGs in the editing process. * On 11/8/2021 at 8:46, hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com wrote: Oh and my raw files are RAF, from a Fuji X-T30. Hartelijke groet, Hieke van Hoogdalem *Van:*hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com *Verzonden:* maandag 8 november 2021 14:45 *Aan:* darktable-user@lists.darktable.org *Onderwerp:* My raw files show black and white in lighttable, but not in darkroom Hi y’all, I took some images in black and white. When I open the folder in Lighttable, that’s visible. But when I want to inspect them individually in Darkroom, I’m seeing full colour. I clicked on all items in the history stack, but they show colour too. Of course I can edit them and make ‘m B, but I guess an initial output of what my raw files took in B should be somewhere... but where do I find that? I’m working on a Windows 10 64 bit laptop. I hope you can help me out, obtaining the output the way I saw it when taking the picture. Kind regards, Hieke van Hoogdalem darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Darktable site down?
Same thing here, as well. Willy Williams *** On 9/8/2021 at 16:55, Bruce Williams wrote: Yep, broken for me, too. Cheers, Bruce Williams. On Thu, 9 Sep 2021, 06:54 Niranjan Rao, wrote: Greetings, Looks like SSL configuration issue. Chrome complains with following error message This site can’t provide a secure connection www.darktable.org <http://www.darktable.org> uses an unsupported protocol. ERR_SSL_VERSION_OR_CIPHER_MISMATCH Curl prints following error message curl: (35) error:14094410:SSL routines:ssl3_read_bytes:sslv3 alert handshake failure Regards, Niranjan darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] DT 3.6.0 crop and rotate
It might help if you identify your O/S and other characteristics. I'm using 3.6 on both Windows 10 and Ubuntu 20.04 and don't experience this issue. Willy Williams On 7/29/21 at 7:15 PM, I. Ivanov wrote: Hi All, Have you experienced cropping issues in DT 3.6.0? What I am observing is - often I try to crop the image - I am in the correct setting, hover the mouse (and it changes the shape) so it is ready to crop but instead of shrinkng the image it moves the copy frame (or does nothing). I am struggling to identify if it is related to the k4 monitor I am using or something else. Usually to get out of the situation - I'd zoom out and it behaves better or I'd change the guides from perspective to rule of 3rd. The issue is not always visible. But a few times when I have to crop it is like a bit sticky. Thank you, B darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Storage solutions
I've been using a free utility called FreeFileSync (https://freefilesync.org/) to keep my image files with their sidecar files (as well as other user files) synced between my Windows machines. It seems to do the job well, and keeps the folder structure synced, as well. Willy Williams ** On 7/26/2021 at 14:20, Matt Maguire wrote: For the travelling laptop scenario, there's also a feature in darktable called "local copies" that can be useful: https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/overview/sidecar-files/local-copies/ <https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/overview/sidecar-files/local-copies/> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 at 01:46, David Vincent-Jones <mailto:david...@gmail.com>> wrote: So, if I backup computer 'B' to an external drive .. then my main computer 'A' can correctly be fully updated. This is great for those who travel with a secondary system. David On 2021-07-25 8:37 p.m., August Schwerdfeger wrote: There is a script in Darktable's Lua repository, "Transfer Hierarchy," designed for the specific task of moving images between disks. It will automatically transfer images from one directory tree to another while preserving the existing directory hierarchy. -- August Schwerdfeger aug...@schwerdfeger.name <mailto:aug...@schwerdfeger.name> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 1:29 AM I. Ivanov <mailto:iv3...@gmail.com> wrote: Is there a way to remap the image to new path? If not, how do you handle this kind of scenario? File is still available, but at a new path. Main storage does get full and because it's a laptop, I can not connect another disk easily. After you move the images to another location - right click on the film row or folder, select search and locate your images - the program will do the rest. Also - if you work out of a shared disk (even an USB connected to a router) DT does good work with the caching. It does fetch the raw file but after that works out from the cache quite a bit (just an idea). Regards, B darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] dt 3.6.0.1?
Just noticed that there is a darktable v3.6.0.1 for Windows on GitHub, downloaded and installed it. In checking the version number after installation, it still shows v3.6.0, not 3.6.0.1. Is this an issue with this release? Willy Williams -- "You don't take a photograph. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing
I concur that this is one option. I Windows, it's right-click, then open with darktable (Ubuntu is very similar). It's just more awkward. I, too, miss the ease of just opening a single image as I could in prior releases. Perhaps in a future release, a third button could be included to restore this single image opening function. Willy Williams *** On 7/16/21 at 6:41 PM, David Vincent-Jones wrote: If I have a single image (RAW or DNG) located anywhere on my system I can, by simply clicking on it, open it for processing in dt as a single image. I do not like doing this since it, in my opinion, messes up the data structure of dt but in fact it works. On 2021-07-16 3:34 p.m., Terry Pinfold wrote: Well I am taking my time to try and learn this new system. The copy and import option is a nice addition for those who want to copy images from an external source. I have set mine to import and organise by date of capture. Like everything new it is taking time to learn and I am not yet fuly comfortable with it. Maybe the ability to import one picture was a nice feature that has now been lost or become hidden. But I have to say with both Darktable and Lightroom (forgive me for mentioning an Adobe offering) I miss the simplicity of just opening and processing an image like you do in GIMP. Not a complaint, just an observation. Anyway, I continue to explore the new offerring of DT 3.6. and really appreciate the effort people have put into it. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Installing darktable on Ubuntu 18.04
The releases are here - https://launchpad.net/~ubuntuhandbook1/+archive/ubuntu/darktable. There is one for v3.6 on Ubuntu 18.04. Good luck! Willy ** On 7/15/2021 at 13:40, Willy Williams wrote: If I'm not mistaken, there's a PPA available for darktable and 18.04. Willy Williams ** On 7/15/2021 at 12:43, Niranjan Rao wrote: This is my work machine. There are multiple reasons why this machine can not upgraded yet. Like many other organizations, we have a plan to update many other servers and other desktops on 18.04. With luck might even finish it before 22.04 rolls out, at least we don't have 16.04 any more. Home machine, I have no problem, but when I get some free time, I like to play with images at work also. On 7/14/21 3:16 PM, Willy Williams wrote: Niranjan, darktable 3.6 is available for Ubuntu 20.04, if you want to update your O/S. Willy Williams ** On 7/14/2021 at 18:04, Niranjan Rao wrote: Greetings, Site https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable does not list 18.04. Is there any other way of installing version 3.6 on Ubuntu 18.04? Regards, Niranjan darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] Question regarding v3.4 and v3.6 file importing
I tend to think that perhaps I'm overthinking this, but here's the question: In v3.4, I could "import" an "image" or a "folder" (section 2.3.1 of The Fine Manual for v 3.4). Now that v3.6 has been released, I can "import" then "add to library" or "copy & import", per section 1.4.1 of The New Fine Manual. It almost seems that these changes are purely verbiage, not unlike a used car salesman calling a "pig" a "cochon" to be able to double the sale price. Frankly, I prefer to be able to open a single image the way I did in v3.4 to the new way of opening a library, then a folder, then an image as in v3.6. It seems to me that if my perception is correct, darktable is sliding too close to things I detest about Lightroom. If my perception is wrong, I'm very open to seeing it differently, but this is what I see right now. Thoughts? Willy Williams -- "You don't take a photograph. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Installing darktable on Ubuntu 18.04
Look here - https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2020/12/darktable-3-4-0-released-install-ppa-ubuntu/. Willy *** On 7/15/2021 at 13:40, Willy Williams wrote: If I'm not mistaken, there's a PPA available for darktable and 18.04. Willy Williams ** On 7/15/2021 at 12:43, Niranjan Rao wrote: This is my work machine. There are multiple reasons why this machine can not upgraded yet. Like many other organizations, we have a plan to update many other servers and other desktops on 18.04. With luck might even finish it before 22.04 rolls out, at least we don't have 16.04 any more. Home machine, I have no problem, but when I get some free time, I like to play with images at work also. On 7/14/21 3:16 PM, Willy Williams wrote: Niranjan, darktable 3.6 is available for Ubuntu 20.04, if you want to update your O/S. Willy Williams ** On 7/14/2021 at 18:04, Niranjan Rao wrote: Greetings, Site https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable does not list 18.04. Is there any other way of installing version 3.6 on Ubuntu 18.04? Regards, Niranjan darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Installing darktable on Ubuntu 18.04
If I'm not mistaken, there's a PPA available for darktable and 18.04. Willy Williams ** On 7/15/2021 at 12:43, Niranjan Rao wrote: This is my work machine. There are multiple reasons why this machine can not upgraded yet. Like many other organizations, we have a plan to update many other servers and other desktops on 18.04. With luck might even finish it before 22.04 rolls out, at least we don't have 16.04 any more. Home machine, I have no problem, but when I get some free time, I like to play with images at work also. On 7/14/21 3:16 PM, Willy Williams wrote: Niranjan, darktable 3.6 is available for Ubuntu 20.04, if you want to update your O/S. Willy Williams ** On 7/14/2021 at 18:04, Niranjan Rao wrote: Greetings, Site https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable does not list 18.04. Is there any other way of installing version 3.6 on Ubuntu 18.04? Regards, Niranjan darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Installing darktable on Ubuntu 18.04
Niranjan, darktable 3.6 is available for Ubuntu 20.04, if you want to update your O/S. Willy Williams ** On 7/14/2021 at 18:04, Niranjan Rao wrote: Greetings, Site https://software.opensuse.org/download.html?project=graphics:darktable=darktable does not list 18.04. Is there any other way of installing version 3.6 on Ubuntu 18.04? Regards, Niranjan darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.6 released
Many thanks to all the developers for this release! Your work is very much appreciated! Willy Williams ** On 7/3/2021 at 4:14, Pascal Obry wrote: We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.6.0! The github release is here: [https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.6.0](https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.6.0) . As always, please don't use the autogenerated tarball provided by github, but only our tar.xz file. the checksums are: ``` $ sha256sum darktable-3.6.0.tar.xz 86bcd0184af38b93c3688dffd3d5c19cc65f268ecf9358d649fa11fe26c70a39 darktable-3.6.0.tar.xz $ sha256sum darktable-3.6.0.3.dmg 12c9319d68dac5b1b5602bf470254467b90f5c5b9d2e93ea081d42884cfd4f80 darktable-3.6.0.3.dmg $ sha256sum darktable-3.6.0-win64.exe aad925988545ff3c50f54243520e8481c695b38b209daa808a490113f6400374 darktable-3.6.0-win64.exe ``` When updating from the currently stable 3.4.x series, please bear in mind that your edits will be preserved during this process, but the new library and configuration will not be usable with 3.4.x any more. You are strongly advised to take a backup first. Important note: to make sure that darktable can keep on supporting the raw file format for your camera, *please* read [this post](https://discuss.pixls.us/t/raw-samples-wanted/5420?u=lebedevri) on how/what raw samples you can contribute to ensure that we have the *full* raw sample set for your camera under CC0 license! - Almost 2680 commits to darktable+rawspeed since 3.4 - 954 pull requests handled - 290 issues closed ## The Big Ones - Full rework of the import module. The new module allows you to see thumbnails of your images before import and makes it easier to handle multiple import tasks. The same dialog is now used for importing from disk, card or camera. When importing "in-place", images that are already present in darktable are flagged and can be automatically excluded from the import. Importing from a local drive won't use gphoto and so should work more reliably on Windows. - A vector-scope is added to complement the current histogram, waveform and parade views. - A new default demosaic algorithm (RCD) has been introduced, which should provide better quality than the current default (PPG) without the long run- times of AMaZE. the order of the demosaic algorithms has also been adjusted for clarity. - Support for "dual demosaic" has also been added, allowing you to combine "RCD + VNG4" and "AMaZE + VNG4" for bayer sensors, for xtrans sensors there is "Markesteijn 3-pass + VNG". This allows you to use an algorithm better resolving fine detail and another one delivering smoother output depending on local image content. - You can now create an opacity mask based on the sharpness of the image. This uses a similar algorithm to that used in dual demosaic. - Drawn shapes are drawn on the original RAW image and then distorted through the pixelpipe. This previously led to, for example, circles becoming ellipses (due to lens distortion) after being placed on the image. All drawn shapes can now be pre-visualized and moved prior to placement, with full deformation applied. This makes the editing of masks easier fully WYSIWYG. - A new Color Balance RGB module has been added. This can be used as a one stop module for all color grading work. - A new censorize module has been added. This allows you to hide parts of the image by adding a blur/pixelization. - A new crop module has been added. This new module has been added late in the pixelpipe and makes it possible to use cropped parts of the image for source spots in the retouch module, for example. - A new section has been added to the color calibration module to allow you to calibrate colors using a color checker chart. - The map module has been enhanced in a number of ways: - When importing a GPX the trace can be displayed. - Location can be set using polygons and directly created from information reported by Open Street Map. As a reminder, all locations create tags automatically for images placed into the area. - The basic adjustments module has been replaced with the quick access panel, which can be used to group controls from multiple different modules in one place. Currently, only non-graphical controls (sliders, comboboxes etc.) can be used. ## Other New Features And Changes - The various lighttable modes can now be accessed via clear and descriptive icons at the bottom of the screen. These should be easier to use than the existing drop-down selection. - The export module is now also accessible on the left-hand panel of the darkroom view. - The mix control in the contrast equalizer module is now retained as module parameter. This means that no data is lost when using this slider and you c
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images / file size
I did, Patrick, due to Kofa and Bernhard's illuminative responses. Willy On 5/23/21 at 10:07 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [05-23-21 09:10]: On 5/23/2021 at 3:22, Bernhard wrote: I experience again and again that in forums both the length and the width of an image and additionally the file size are limited. And THAT is precisely why I posed the original question. Willy The problem of an algorithm is probably the same as the approach I currently take then by hand - it has to approximate it iteratively. But what is the primary criterion if the file size is too large? Change length/width first or the quality settings? And what is the weighting for larger "savings" to be achieved? Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) but did you understand the answer. the size cannot be determined until the image export has completed. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images / file size
On 5/23/2021 at 3:22, Bernhard wrote: I experience again and again that in forums both the length and the width of an image and additionally the file size are limited. And THAT is precisely why I posed the original question. Willy The problem of an algorithm is probably the same as the approach I currently take then by hand - it has to approximate it iteratively. But what is the primary criterion if the file size is too large? Change length/width first or the quality settings? And what is the weighting for larger "savings" to be achieved? Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images
Thanks, Kofa. That makes sense and confirms my suspicions. Willy On 5/22/21 at 5:01 PM, KOVÁCS István wrote: On Sat, 22 May 2021 at 21:28, Willy Williams wrote: I can find no reference to being able to export images while down-sizing them to a specific maximum file size (in MB, not pixels). Does this capability exist at all? No, since in JPEG (I guess you're referring to JPEG, but the same also applies to PNG) you cannot set the desired output size: you set the compression parameters, but the resulting file size also depends on the content. This is contrary to music or video compression, where you often set a desired bitrate (average or fixed), and the compressor tweaks the compression parameters (e.g. quality settings) to achieve it. Kofa darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] Question regarding exporting images
I reading through The Fine Manual, I can find no reference to being able to export images while down-sizing them to a specific maximum file size (in MB, not pixels). Does this capability exist at all? Willy Williams -- “You don’t take a photograph. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it.” - Unknown -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] News about darktable 3.6
Well, that would be version 4.1, wouldn't it?
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On 4/1/21 at 12:07 PM, Archie Macintosh wrote:
What's today's date?
Ah, 1 April, of course!!!
On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:32, Pascal Obry wrote:
Le jeudi 01 avril 2021 à 15:24 +, Willi Fritz a écrit :
Looking forward to the 3.6 release with the proviso that darktable
will stay available on the Windows platform. Could you please be more
precise than just writing that you "decided to keep Windows for now"?
Sure, the plan is clear, if there is more Windows users we will keep
Windows and drop Linux and the reverse otherwise. We don't have the man
power for more than one port actually.
Regards,
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Re: [darktable-user] News about darktable 3.6
I'd have to ask the same basic question regarding mapping images based on GPS coordinates in v3.6. Will this option be totally inaccessible? Willy Williams On 4/1/2021 at 11:03, Michael Rasmussen wrote: On Thu, 01 Apr 2021 16:49:05 +0200 Pascal Obry wrote: Some views have also been removed like Map, Tethering, Slideshow to keep the most important ones. Does this also means that the supporting code for tethering has been removed? If not, how do you then access tethering mode? darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Not seeing replies to my posts
One guess might be that the messages that you can't see might be in your "sent" mailbox. This sometimes happens to me on Thunderbird and it's due to the message filters I have set up. I have to manually move them to my darktable message folder. Just a thought... Willy Williams ** On 2/22/2021 at 13:39, Bill Martz wrote: This has been going on for quite a while, and fortunately I have gotten answers anyway: When I send an email to the users list, the only replies I see are when someone replies to someone else's initial reply to my post. For example, Patrick Shanahan apparently replied to my post, Open/Close Behavior of darkroom Left Hand Modules, but I didn't receive it. When Juan Navarro replied to Patrick's reply, I received that. I see replies by Patrick to other people's posts all the time, so I don't understand why it doesn't work for me. As far as I can tell, I am seeing everyone else's posts and all the replies to them. Is anyone able to give me a fix for this issue? Bill Martz P.S. If you would include this address in your reply, I hope to be able to see it: bill.in.michi...@gmail.com <mailto:bill.in.michi...@gmail.com> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Again... SD-Card import on Win10
I just tried importing from an SDXC card in a USB plug-in card reader. It works quite well. Suggest that you might want to try it again. As a routine thing, I prefer to NOT do that since I can connect a USB cable to my camera and to the computer (both Win 10 and Linux) and import directly, eliminating the middleman. Willy Williams On 2/21/2021 at 13:12, Tom Whale wrote: Hello Users, I'm still struggling with the import function of dt. I'm trying to import pictures from a SD-Card inside a Card-Reader. Within Windows 10, the card-reader works flawless and I can read from and write to any sd-card attached. But dt doesn't give me the option to import from the card directly. As I've already learned, there should be a button in the import-dialogue. But it doesn't appear here. I already tried the "Zadig" USB drivers, but none of them worked and additionally messed up my USB ports completely so I had to revert to a system restore point. Anyone knows how to fix this? Is it a problem of my cardreader? Or a problem with Windows? Or maybe it's a dt bug? Looking forward for your input :) darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Still no GUI module order possible?
Thank you, Patrick. It helps to know where to look. (RTFM, Willy!) Willy -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 2/15/21 9:28 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [02-15-21 09:25]: I have to wonder if there's a publicly-available document that outlines the reasons for the pipe to be as it is such that those of us users that are not developers can understand the pipe and appreciate the thinking that went into the design of the pipe? Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 2/15/21 7:52 AM, Pascal Obry wrote: Le lundi 15 février 2021 à 13:30 +0100, Kneops a écrit : Okay. This has nothing to do by the way from what I used to do with other tools, Then use another tool. it's the way imho the mind and the eye works. When I open an image and it is too dark or too bright, I want to correct that first. Then I see it is a bit too yellow, then I want to correct that. Then perhaps cropping and straightening etc. The visual ordering of modules should have nothing to do with the pipeline. Then you completely miss the fact that the order IS important as they are run through the pipe in a specific order and so does interact in different way if no at the same location. That would be like saying that the mask in GIMP should be rearranged without having any impact on the final rendering. This is just plain wrong, and if you don't want to understand that or that is not the way you want the tool to be working then fine... Please use another tool. This won't change in dt because it cannot be changed. This makes me feel again that DT is mostly for techies. No, but people who understand what they do. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org perhaps the fine documentation, https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/darkroom/pixelpipe/the-pixelpipe-and-module-order/ darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Still no GUI module order possible?
I have to wonder if there's a publicly-available document that outlines the reasons for the pipe to be as it is such that those of us users that are not developers can understand the pipe and appreciate the thinking that went into the design of the pipe? Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 2/15/21 7:52 AM, Pascal Obry wrote: Le lundi 15 février 2021 à 13:30 +0100, Kneops a écrit : Okay. This has nothing to do by the way from what I used to do with other tools, Then use another tool. it's the way imho the mind and the eye works. When I open an image and it is too dark or too bright, I want to correct that first. Then I see it is a bit too yellow, then I want to correct that. Then perhaps cropping and straightening etc. The visual ordering of modules should have nothing to do with the pipeline. Then you completely miss the fact that the order IS important as they are run through the pipe in a specific order and so does interact in different way if no at the same location. That would be like saying that the mask in GIMP should be rearranged without having any impact on the final rendering. This is just plain wrong, and if you don't want to understand that or that is not the way you want the tool to be working then fine... Please use another tool. This won't change in dt because it cannot be changed. This makes me feel again that DT is mostly for techies. No, but people who understand what they do. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: Fwd: [darktable-user] Deselect images in filmstrip
It's also on p. 173 of the "new" user manual, Section 8.3.5.2. filmstrip. Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 2/13/21 7:04 AM, Bruce Williams wrote: Thanks Frank! Much appreciated. Cheers, Bruce Williams -- brucewilliamsphotography.com <http://brucewilliamsphotography.com> shuttersincpodcast.com <http://shuttersincpodcast.com> e-mail <mailto:stu...@audio2u.com> | Twitter <http://twitter.com/@audio2u> | LinkedIn <http://au.linkedin.com/pub/bruce-williams/1/318/489> | Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/audio2u> | Soundcloud <http://www.soundcloud.com/audio2u> | Quora <https://www.quora.com/profile/Bruce-Williams-5> -- -- Forwarded message - From: *Frank J.* <mailto:newslet...@fotodrachen.de>> Date: Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Deselect images in filmstrip To: <mailto:darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>> Am 12.02.21 um 23:44 schrieb Bruce Williams: > Hi all, > I vaguely recall that there is an odd quirk about how you de-select > images in the filmstrip OF THE MAP PAGE. > Would someone please remind me of what that is? > A single click on a non-selected image doesn't do it. > Ctrl+click doesn't do it. > Shift+click doesn't do it. > Thanks in advance! > Cheers, > Bruce Williams Hi Bruce, I learned a lot from your videos, proud to be able to give back a little bit. Ctrl+A = select all the pictures of the filmstrip Ctrl+Shift+A = unselect all images Found in Chapter 3.3.11.8 https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/darkroom_bottom_panel.html#darkroom_filmstrip Works also in Map-View. At the begin of the strip, a single left-click into the empty space does it. My workflow: Filter "collext images" / "narrow down search" / "metadata - geotagging" / "not tagged" reduces the strip to a "To Do-List" and pics get unselected automaticly when they got a position. Frank Germany darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] windows : darktable 3.4.1.1 ready
If you're trying to download it, go to the link at the bottom of this message provided by Pascal Obry. It is there. Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 2/9/21 5:26 PM, Terry Pinfold wrote: Thanks for all the hard work. When might this version turn up on the official download page? On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 01:46, Willy Williams <mailto:grayc...@bolthole.net>> wrote: Thanks to Pascal and Peter for getting the fix out so quickly! Willy Williams ** On 2/9/2021 at 7:18, Pascal Obry wrote: Ok, I didn't expected to have the new Windows binary so fast, but here it is. Thanks to Peter Budai for the quick build. So if you are on Windows please make sure you download the new installer named: darktable-3.4.1.1-win64.exe Here: https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.1 Regards, darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] windows : darktable 3.4.1.1 ready
Thanks to Pascal and Peter for getting the fix out so quickly! Willy Williams ** On 2/9/2021 at 7:18, Pascal Obry wrote: Ok, I didn't expected to have the new Windows binary so fast, but here it is. Thanks to Peter Budai for the quick build. So if you are on Windows please make sure you download the new installer named: darktable-3.4.1.1-win64.exe Here: https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.1 Regards, darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] darktable 3.4.1 released
Thank you, Pascal and all the developers! Willy *** On 2/6/2021 at 04:33, Pascal Obry wrote: We're proud to announce the new feature release of darktable, 3.4.1! The github release is here: [https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.1](https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.1) . As always, please don't use the autogenerated tarball provided by github, but only our tar.xz. the checksums are: ``` $ sha256sum darktable-3.4.1.tar.xz 7fc3f851da9bcd7c5053ecd09f21aa3eb6103be98a6c58f52010b6f22174941e darktable-3.4.1.tar.xz $ sha256sum darktable-3.4.1.dmg e13112ed1d5f9c55e5287aa9d7276f04b90909b2e356640f36227a0a53321658 darktable-3.4.1.dmg $ sha256sum darktable-3.4.1-win64.exe 94f6f0999378a541b25bd030838b508882d2bace86a95c898a30ca32c406c3f8 darktable-3.4.1-win64.exe ``` When updating from the currently stable 3.2.x series, please bear in mind that your edits will be preserved during this process, but the new library and configuration will not be usable with 3.2.x any more, so you are strongly advised to take a backup first. Important note: to make sure that darktable can keep on supporting the raw file format for your camera, *please* read [this post](https://discuss.pixls.us/t/raw-samples-wanted/5420?u=lebedevri) on how/what raw samples you can contribute to ensure that we have the *full* raw sample set for your camera under CC0 license! - Almost 100 commits to darktable+rawspeed since 3.4 - 25 pull requests handled - 18 issues closed ## The Big Ones None ## New Features And Changes - Faster thumbnail generation during import. - Some minor CSS improvements. ## Bug fixes - Fix color correction RGB handling and saturation normalization. - Fix smooth scrolling on MacOS. - Fix Lr metadata import, this is done only if no other XMP present. - Fix metadata export which must be done only if the corresponding setting is activated. - Fix combo-box popup scrolling. - Properly restore collection hinter messages when needed. - Fix stars display in overlay. - Fix black point setting when dragging the histogram. - Fix help links for technical group module. - Properly discriminate cameras with the same prefix in collect module. - Fix bold rendering on Windows (for selected presets for example). - Fix support of Windows PATH to configuration and libraries when the path name contains non ASCII characters. - Properly hide the selected tag tick when a tag is not selected anymore. - Fix search on collect module for multiple filename separated with coma. - Fix size of clipping handle when preview down-sampling is activated. - Fix metadata comment reading from exif. - Fix a case where the thumbnail could be out of synchronization with the darkroom edit. - Never show filmstrip cursor on selected image on other views. - Skip possible null dates on the collect module which could then crash darktable. - Fix waveform histogram rendering on MacOS. - Fix some memory leaks. ## Notes ## Lua ## Changed Dependencies ## RawSpeed changes ## Camera support, compared to 3.4.0 ### White Balance Presets - Fujifilm X-Pro3 - Fujifilm X100V - Olympus E-M10 Mark IV ### Noise Profiles - Canon EOS 1500D - Canon EOS 2000D - Canon EOS Rebel T7 - Canon EOS-1D X Mark II - Fujifilm X-Pro3 - Fujifilm XF10 - Nikon Z 5 - Panasonic DC-S1R - Pentax K-1 Mark II - Sony DSC-RX10M4 ## Translations - Afrikaans - Czech - German - European Spanish - Finnish - French - Hebrew - Hungarian - Italian - Polish - Brazilian Portuguese - Russian - Slovak - Slovenian darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Rawtherapee seems to be sharper than Darktable, doesn't it?
I find that if I need to denoise and/or sharpen, I'll get great results by using Topaz DeNoise AI followed by Topaz Sharpen AI before pulling the results into darktable for final finish work. Willy On 2/2/2021 at 12:36, Giulio wrote: Il 02/02/21 16:25, Victor ha scritto: I developed a raw image (DSC00662.ARW) taken with my sony a6600 with both DT and RT using minimal intervention (see attached DT xmp file and RT pp3 file). As you can see from the details I enclosed in this message the RT resulting image looks by far better in terms of sharpness with respect to the DT one. Why is that and is there anything I can do to improve DT performance as far as sharpness is concerned? Here is the link to the dropbox directory containing all the relevant files https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2iojfjmnu9ronoa/AADu4kLIm_rD_L6AhXGvBUNMa?dl=0 I have always had the same problem. And now rawtherapee supports capture sharpening, or Art rl deconvolution, with bigger radius of sharpening near the borders, making the gap even stronger, and dual demosaicing. I hope these features will come to darktable! In your edited image i see that the raw therapee one has less noise and more sharpness. Bye! darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Which documentation to use?
Good stuff, Guillermo! Thanks for the fill-in! Willy -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 1/19/21 9:20 AM, Guillermo Rozas wrote: The documentation is currently in a state of flux due to changes in the way it's written and updated, that's why there are so many "versions". It's supposed to stabilize once darktable 3.6 is out. Please read the Documentation section on https://www.darktable.org/2020/12/darktable-3-4/ Regards, Guillermo On Tue, Jan 19, 2021 at 10:49 AM Willy Williams <mailto:grayc...@bolthole.net>> wrote: Kofa, thanks for the clarity. There are other links that I've found so far. It appears that these two links go to very similar pages: http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ and https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/. Within each of these pages there are links that lead here - http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/darktable_user_manual.pdf and https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/darktable_user_manual.pdf respectively. Then there is this one - https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/download/release-3.4.0/darktable-usermanual.pdf. All are shown as being for v3.4. So how is one to know which of these five is the most current, leading edge document, but not the bleeding edge (development) version? One could very easily become confused by the plethora of literature? Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 1/19/21 1:16 AM, KOVÁCS István wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 06:31, Patrick Shanahan <mailto:p...@opensuse.org> wrote: *darkta...@911networks.com <mailto:darkta...@911networks.com> <mailto:darkta...@911networks.com> [01-18-21 23:09]: There is: http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ and https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html are they the same? Which one should I use? if you looked at them, surely you noticed a difference. use the one that is for the version of darktable you utilize. should be very easy to make that choice. Since they both say 3.4, and in fact *are* for 3.4, the question was valid and the answer was just as wrong as arrogant. https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html is 'old' in the sense that it's the updated version of the 'old style' manual. Nevertheless, it has been updated for 3.4, but is the last such update. It is available in multiple languages. https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ is the new version, and that is the format that will be used in the future. It has fewer screenshots (which tend to change often, and are therefore hard to maintain). Finally,https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/ is, as far as I know, the latest and greatest, updated for the development version (even though its version number still says 3.4). It's automatically generated fromhttps://github.com/darktable-org/dtdocs The latter two are currently available only in English. Kofa darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Which documentation to use?
Kofa, thanks for the clarity. There are other links that I've found so far. It appears that these two links go to very similar pages: http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ and https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/. Within each of these pages there are links that lead here - http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/darktable_user_manual.pdf and https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/darktable_user_manual.pdf respectively. Then there is this one - https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/download/release-3.4.0/darktable-usermanual.pdf. All are shown as being for v3.4. So how is one to know which of these five is the most current, leading edge document, but not the bleeding edge (development) version? One could very easily become confused by the plethora of literature? Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 1/19/21 1:16 AM, KOVÁCS István wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 2021 at 06:31, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * darkta...@911networks.com [01-18-21 23:09]: There is: http://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ and https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html are they the same? Which one should I use? if you looked at them, surely you noticed a difference. use the one that is for the version of darktable you utilize. should be very easy to make that choice. Since they both say 3.4, and in fact *are* for 3.4, the question was valid and the answer was just as wrong as arrogant. https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/index.html is 'old' in the sense that it's the updated version of the 'old style' manual. Nevertheless, it has been updated for 3.4, but is the last such update. It is available in multiple languages. https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/ is the new version, and that is the format that will be used in the future. It has fewer screenshots (which tend to change often, and are therefore hard to maintain). Finally, https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/ is, as far as I know, the latest and greatest, updated for the development version (even though its version number still says 3.4). It's automatically generated from https://github.com/darktable-org/dtdocs The latter two are currently available only in English. Kofa darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] folder levels
The answer is that I had been looking at the *original* version of darktablerc. The *user* version indicated the correct number. Locations of both Windows and Linux versions have been noted for future reference. Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 1/5/21 12:03 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [01-05-21 11:55]: I'm not saying that I'm trying to change the levels shown. I am saying that when I open darktable, the preferences show 3 levels as previously noted, yet darktablerc shows 1 level. No changes have been made in preferences or in darktablerc since 3.4.0 came out on 12/24/20. Just sayin'. Willy Williams ** On 1/5/2021 at 10:23, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [01-05-21 10:17]: Even more interesting! I'm on Windows 10 (2 machines), with levels set to "3" in preferences, yet darktablerc still shows levels set to "1". I'm using the general release of darktable 3.4.0, not a daily compilation. Willy Williams ** On 1/5/2021 at 10:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [01-05-21 09:56]: Interesting! On my machines, I still can get to the setting for folder levels under [Preferences / lighttable / number of folders to show in lists] where it is set to 3. Yet, if I look in darktablerc, I see . It appears that Preferences overrides darktablerc. True or false? Willy Williams On 1/5/2021 at 7:54, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Jim Robinson [01-05-21 05:45]: * David Vincent-Jones [01-04-21 22:19]: After a rebuild I am finding that I am not seeing multiple folder levels at 'collect images' ... as I remember there is a switch to set the number of levels but I do not remember where it is or was. .. Will somebody please jog my old memory. I think that I am observing the same issue with master compiled yesterday (3.5.0+426~g3e30462e8) on both Windows and linux. Under 'collect images - folders' the 'selection box' is now a single row in height with a scroll bar on the right, rather than the old drop down list and this is independent of the number of folder levels selected in the preferences. I have yet to explore backwards in commits, but there seem to have been a number of changes to 'collect' recently. Maybe this change is intentional, but I find it very inconvenient. on further investigation, I find no setting the the configuration/gear-wheel setting menu(s) any more for depth of directories processed during import, but one may edit ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc and adjust "show_folder_levels=#". Mine is set to "show_folder_levels=5". preferences are stored in darktablerc and you must exit darktable, then make changes to darktablerc, then reopen darktable for the changes to be active. I am on linux and using master. I don't know what operating system or version of dt you use, display may not be the same and making assumptions *only* leads to more confusion. close dt, edit darktablerc to set "show_folder_levels=" to what you desire, save and reopen dt. do you now have what you want? may be a bug that is fixed in 3.4.1 when it is released. may even be documented. works for me on master but *which* darktablerc indicates "1"? the *original* darktablerc which is part of the package install and not local to *your* user account comes with "1" as default. when you make changes to your darktable configuration, they are saved in the darktablerc *local* to your . and it is not the same as the original version provided on package installation. as I said, the linux "user" version is at ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] folder levels
I'm not saying that I'm trying to change the levels shown. I am saying that when I open darktable, the preferences show 3 levels as previously noted, yet darktablerc shows 1 level. No changes have been made in preferences or in darktablerc since 3.4.0 came out on 12/24/20. Just sayin'. Willy Williams ** On 1/5/2021 at 10:23, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [01-05-21 10:17]: Even more interesting! I'm on Windows 10 (2 machines), with levels set to "3" in preferences, yet darktablerc still shows levels set to "1". I'm using the general release of darktable 3.4.0, not a daily compilation. Willy Williams ** On 1/5/2021 at 10:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [01-05-21 09:56]: Interesting! On my machines, I still can get to the setting for folder levels under [Preferences / lighttable / number of folders to show in lists] where it is set to 3. Yet, if I look in darktablerc, I see . It appears that Preferences overrides darktablerc. True or false? Willy Williams On 1/5/2021 at 7:54, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Jim Robinson [01-05-21 05:45]: * David Vincent-Jones [01-04-21 22:19]: After a rebuild I am finding that I am not seeing multiple folder levels at 'collect images' ... as I remember there is a switch to set the number of levels but I do not remember where it is or was. .. Will somebody please jog my old memory. I think that I am observing the same issue with master compiled yesterday (3.5.0+426~g3e30462e8) on both Windows and linux. Under 'collect images - folders' the 'selection box' is now a single row in height with a scroll bar on the right, rather than the old drop down list and this is independent of the number of folder levels selected in the preferences. I have yet to explore backwards in commits, but there seem to have been a number of changes to 'collect' recently. Maybe this change is intentional, but I find it very inconvenient. on further investigation, I find no setting the the configuration/gear-wheel setting menu(s) any more for depth of directories processed during import, but one may edit ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc and adjust "show_folder_levels=#". Mine is set to "show_folder_levels=5". preferences are stored in darktablerc and you must exit darktable, then make changes to darktablerc, then reopen darktable for the changes to be active. I am on linux and using master. I don't know what operating system or version of dt you use, display may not be the same and making assumptions *only* leads to more confusion. close dt, edit darktablerc to set "show_folder_levels=" to what you desire, save and reopen dt. do you now have what you want? may be a bug that is fixed in 3.4.1 when it is released. may even be documented. works for me on master darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] folder levels
OK! That 'splains that! I was unaware of there being two versions of darktablerc. Thank you for the clarity, Remco! On Windows machines, the global version is located in C:\Program Files\darktable\share\darktable, while the local version is located in C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\darktable. The local version on my machines DOES show file folder levels matching those in preferences. Duly noted for future reference. Thanks again, Remco! Willy Williams * On 1/5/2021 at 10:23, Remco Viëtor wrote: On mardi 5 janvier 2021 15:54:13 CET Willy Williams wrote: Interesting! On my machines, I still can get to the setting for folder levels under [Preferences / lighttable / number of folders to show in lists] where it is set to 3. Yet, if I look in darktablerc, I see . It appears that Preferences overrides darktablerc. True or false? (...) That should indeed be the case: your *local* darktablerc (see below) is read on startup, and the values there are used and shown in the Preferences dialog. Changes made through the Preferences dialog are written back to your local darktablerc (on exiting darktable(?)). Some changes can only be applied on start-up, so those require a restart to be visible. But they are still stored internally and written back to darktablerc. But keep in mind that there are *two* versions of darktablerc: - a global one, used on first start, and containing default values. Users normally cannot write to this file. - a local one, written when you exit darktable and used on subsequent runs. So in effect, the local darktablerc overrules the global darktablerc. So the value in the *global* darktablerc can be different from what you see in the Preferences dialog... darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] folder levels
Even more interesting! I'm on Windows 10 (2 machines), with levels set to "3" in preferences, yet darktablerc still shows levels set to "1". I'm using the general release of darktable 3.4.0, not a daily compilation. Willy Williams ** On 1/5/2021 at 10:01, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [01-05-21 09:56]: Interesting! On my machines, I still can get to the setting for folder levels under [Preferences / lighttable / number of folders to show in lists] where it is set to 3. Yet, if I look in darktablerc, I see . It appears that Preferences overrides darktablerc. True or false? Willy Williams On 1/5/2021 at 7:54, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Jim Robinson [01-05-21 05:45]: * David Vincent-Jones [01-04-21 22:19]: After a rebuild I am finding that I am not seeing multiple folder levels at 'collect images' ... as I remember there is a switch to set the number of levels but I do not remember where it is or was. .. Will somebody please jog my old memory. I think that I am observing the same issue with master compiled yesterday (3.5.0+426~g3e30462e8) on both Windows and linux. Under 'collect images - folders' the 'selection box' is now a single row in height with a scroll bar on the right, rather than the old drop down list and this is independent of the number of folder levels selected in the preferences. I have yet to explore backwards in commits, but there seem to have been a number of changes to 'collect' recently. Maybe this change is intentional, but I find it very inconvenient. on further investigation, I find no setting the the configuration/gear-wheel setting menu(s) any more for depth of directories processed during import, but one may edit ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc and adjust "show_folder_levels=#". Mine is set to "show_folder_levels=5". preferences are stored in darktablerc and you must exit darktable, then make changes to darktablerc, then reopen darktable for the changes to be active. I am on linux and using master. I don't know what operating system or version of dt you use, display may not be the same and making assumptions *only* leads to more confusion. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] folder levels
Interesting! On my machines, I still can get to the setting for folder levels under [Preferences / lighttable / number of folders to show in lists] where it is set to 3. Yet, if I look in darktablerc, I see . It appears that Preferences overrides darktablerc. True or false? Willy Williams On 1/5/2021 at 7:54, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Jim Robinson [01-05-21 05:45]: * David Vincent-Jones [01-04-21 22:19]: After a rebuild I am finding that I am not seeing multiple folder levels at 'collect images' ... as I remember there is a switch to set the number of levels but I do not remember where it is or was. .. Will somebody please jog my old memory. I think that I am observing the same issue with master compiled yesterday (3.5.0+426~g3e30462e8) on both Windows and linux. Under 'collect images - folders' the 'selection box' is now a single row in height with a scroll bar on the right, rather than the old drop down list and this is independent of the number of folder levels selected in the preferences. I have yet to explore backwards in commits, but there seem to have been a number of changes to 'collect' recently. Maybe this change is intentional, but I find it very inconvenient. on further investigation, I find no setting the the configuration/gear-wheel setting menu(s) any more for depth of directories processed during import, but one may edit ~/.config/darktable/darktablerc and adjust "show_folder_levels=#". Mine is set to "show_folder_levels=5". darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Importing from camera
On reflection, I have the option in the camera to select either "PC Storage" or "PC Tether" when I connect the body to the computer, so I suspect that the discrepancy has more to do with the Lumix firmware and how it has been written to resemble a computer storage device as opposed to being a camera mass storage device. Willy Williams ** On 1/3/2021 at 11:56, Willy Williams wrote: My Lumix G9 cards do not appear as your illustrations show. Whether I 1) run a USB 3.0 cable to the body from the computer, or 2) extract the SD cards from the body and plug them into a USB 3.0 card reader which is in turn plugged into the computer, the cards show up simply as storage devices in the Windows 10 hierarchy. They are not recognized as "Mass Storage Camera", and there is accordingly, no option to "import from camera". I have no clue as to why the discrepancy exists. In my workflow, it is easiest to create a folder structure in Windows to identify the date and subject of the shoot, copy in a template sub-folder structure to met my workflow needs, then cable the G9 to the computer and copy down all the image files from the body to the computer. I can then verify that all the images are readable and recognizable before reformatting the cards that are still in their respective slots in the G9 body. YMMV... Willy Williams On 1/3/2021 at 11:16, Bernhard wrote: Sorry, but why not simply do things the RIGHT way? I just put a SD-card into my card reader, plugged it in and darktable immediately showed me the dialog 01 you see in the attachment. "Import from camera" results in dialogs 02 and 03. Files are COPIED to the folder on your PC according to your preferences. Don't hold darktable responsible for you doing things wrong!!! darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Importing from camera
It appears that this is dead-on. When I connect via USB to my one Linux computer, the darktable import function recognizes both cards while they're still in the G9. Thanks for the heads-up. Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 1/3/21 12:42 PM, Jim Robinson wrote: As was pointed out much earlier in this discussion the situation with attaching cameras to darktable in Windows is well described here: https://www.darktable.org/about/faq/#faq-tethering On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 17:32, Bernhard <mailto:darkta...@intervalsignals.org>> wrote: Windows ... I guess Windows blocks darktable from accessing the card reader(?). If the card reader is shown as a separate drive try to eject this drive and see if darktable then shows the appropriate dialog. -- regards Bernhard https://www.bilddateien.de Willy Williams schrieb am 03.01.21 um 17:56: > My Lumix G9 cards do not appear as your illustrations show. Whether I > 1) run a USB 3.0 cable to the body from the computer, or 2) extract > the SD cards from the body and plug them into a USB 3.0 card reader > which is in turn plugged into the computer, the cards show up simply > as storage devices in the Windows 10 hierarchy. They are not > recognized as "Mass Storage Camera", and there is accordingly, no > option to "import from camera". I have no clue as to why the > discrepancy exists. > > In my workflow, it is easiest to create a folder structure in Windows > to identify the date and subject of the shoot, copy in a template > sub-folder structure to met my workflow needs, then cable the G9 to > the computer and copy down all the image files from the body to the > computer. I can then verify that all the images are readable and > recognizable before reformatting the cards that are still in their > respective slots in the G9 body. YMMV... > > Willy Williams > > > > On 1/3/2021 at 11:16, Bernhard wrote: >> Sorry, but why not simply do things the RIGHT way? >> >> I just put a SD-card into my card reader, plugged it in and darktable >> immediately showed me the dialog 01 you see in the attachment. >> "Import from camera" results in dialogs 02 and 03. >> Files are COPIED to the folder on your PC according to your preferences. >> >> Don't hold darktable responsible for you doing things wrong!!! >> > > > > darktable user mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Importing from camera
My Lumix G9 cards do not appear as your illustrations show. Whether I 1) run a USB 3.0 cable to the body from the computer, or 2) extract the SD cards from the body and plug them into a USB 3.0 card reader which is in turn plugged into the computer, the cards show up simply as storage devices in the Windows 10 hierarchy. They are not recognized as "Mass Storage Camera", and there is accordingly, no option to "import from camera". I have no clue as to why the discrepancy exists. In my workflow, it is easiest to create a folder structure in Windows to identify the date and subject of the shoot, copy in a template sub-folder structure to met my workflow needs, then cable the G9 to the computer and copy down all the image files from the body to the computer. I can then verify that all the images are readable and recognizable before reformatting the cards that are still in their respective slots in the G9 body. YMMV... Willy Williams On 1/3/2021 at 11:16, Bernhard wrote: Sorry, but why not simply do things the RIGHT way? I just put a SD-card into my card reader, plugged it in and darktable immediately showed me the dialog 01 you see in the attachment. "Import from camera" results in dialogs 02 and 03. Files are COPIED to the folder on your PC according to your preferences. Don't hold darktable responsible for you doing things wrong!!! darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Importing from camera
Another really good card reader comes from Anker - https://www.amazon.com/Anker-Portable-Reader-RS-MMC-Micro/dp/B006T9B6R2/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3BXI9II028H6I=1=anker+sd+card+reader+usb+3.0=1609611450=anker+sd+card+reader%2Caps%2C238=8-3. That said, my G9 has a USB3.0 port on it, so cabling it to one of the USB 3.0 ports on my laptop is every bit as fast as, if not faster than using the external card reader, and negates the need to extract the cards from the camera and replace them later. Doing so does not transfer the images to the darktable database, but does make the files available to be imported when darktable is opened and the folders are accessed. Willy Williams * On 1/2/2021 at 13:05, DougC wrote: I agree. Also, a high quality SD card reader can be significantly faster (10x or more) than a cheaper one. A good one is the ProGrade DUAL-SLOT SD reader p/n PGRWSDHCXCANA but there are others. On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 12:47:46 -0500 *Jean-Luc CECCOLI * wrote I wonder why on earth do some people absolutely want to import right from the camera. It is far slower and less safe than doing it by reading the card from a card reader. Safe : if the card falls on to the ground, it will not be the same as if it were the camera. Slower : I admit this is based upon my own observations with Nikon 1 v1, D700 and D4s conneted either via usb2 or usb3. Plus, if I do not mistake, this just does import the pictures into the database, so they will not be available anymore after unplugging the camera. I think, together with others on this list, that the best is to copy the files from the card to the disk, and then import them. There are many tools that allow organizing while copying, most of them have been listed in previous posts. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Importing from camera
You are mostly correct, Kofa. TFM says, "When a camera is detected, it will show up in the device panel after pressing “scan for devices”. If you hover your mouse over the camera tab label, a tooltip will pop up with information about the camera (model, firmware version etc.)." With my own Lumix G9 camera, that apparently is not the case as the "scan for devices" button does not appear. The G9 appears to the computer as just another pair of file folders (JPGs and RAW files), once I tell the G9 to appear as a storage device, not a tethered camera. So far, the G9 is not recognized by darktable for tethering. Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 1/2/21 10:44 AM, KOVÁCS István wrote: On Fri, 1 Jan 2021 at 20:27, Willy Williams wrote: When you open lighttable, you'll see an "import" function top left directly under the darktable logo. Click on "import and you'll see two possibilities; "image..." and "folder...". Assuming that you're looking for a folder on your camera, click on "folder...". When the folder window pops up, look for your camera and find the folder on your camera that contains your images. Wouldn't that register the images in darktable's DB with the paths on the camera, without copying them over? https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/darktable_basic_workflow.html#darktable_basic_workflow_importing_from_camera 'If your distribution tries to automount it, select the option to abort the mount operation' And also here: https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/module-reference/utility-modules/lighttable/import/#import-from-a-connected-camera Kofa darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] dt 3.4 - a mighty tool!!
And to pile on, Bruce Williams has done an excellent job of creating a
video (Episode 79) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7adCF2FvU8) that
explains this concept very well. Thanks again, Bruce!
Willy Williams
*
On 12/31/2020 at 10:39, Willy Williams wrote:
Even better explained in the print manual in section 3.3.10.4 - "The
layout manager allow you to create, remove, rename and duplicate
presets. Inside each presets (except built-in ones which are
read-only) you can create, remove or move groups, define its icon and
name, and set which module should appear under which
group."
Willy Williams
*
On 12/31/2020 at 10:30, Willy Williams wrote:
So, make your own "Favorites" module. From -
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/module-reference/utility-modules/darkroom/manage-module-layouts/#_workflow-beginner_
previous config module groups
These follow the layouts of the previous two groups, but include
an additional /favourites/ group where users made use of this
feature in prior versions of darktable. Now that users may create
their own custom groups, there is no longer a need for an
explicit “favourites” group.
module-group-favourites-icon
<https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/module-reference/utility-modules/darkroom/manage-module-layouts/module-group-favorites-icon.png>
favourite modules
This group was previously used by users to make it easier to
find frequently-used modules, and is available under the
“previous config” presets. New users can, of course, still
create their own custom group and name it “favourites” if
they so desire.
Willy Williams
On 12/30/2020 at 18:24, Terry Pinfold wrote:
HI all,
Darktable is a fantastic program thanks to the incredible effort
of the developers. Hats off to the dedicated developers for DT
3.4.0. It is a very sophisticated program that requires time to
learn. But it is really worth learning. There are some great video
resources for those who learn by watching and there is the user
manual which is a must read for each module when you first start
using a new module. I don't believe the developers should or could
make Darktable beginner friendly without compromising what makes
Darktable great. Possibly the basic adjustment module could have a
few more features added to it like denoise, sharpening, local
contrast which would just be duplicating commonly used features from
other modules and placing them in one place. That would make it
easier for the beginner and the person who only wants simple edits.
On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 07:17, Martin Straeten
mailto:martin.strae...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The requested beginners workflow is already described:
https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/overview/workflow/
<https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/overview/workflow/>
But if a beginner even doesn’t spend time to read the first
section of the manual, why deveolpers should spend time to
provide a gui they never would use for their edits.
Darktable developers „eats their own dogfood“ so the ui is to
satisfy their demands.
And of course: don’t mix up ‚beginners‘ with used-to-lightroom-guys
Am 29.12.2020 um 16:25 schrieb Dr. A. Krebs mailto:i...@axel-krebs.de>>:
Dear developers:
thank you very much for this great piece of software!
It offers chances, I'd never expected before to take advantage
of raw files. I'm using D500 & D850, Ubuntu 18.04, 64 bit, 32
GB RAM.
--
dt seems to require quite a bit studies to find out the
appropriate steps to image processing. As we can see, there are
people searching for a beginners-type GUI.
For me some type of such "beginners workflow" helped a lot;
however, there should be a physical / arithmetical backup for
such workflows.
Overall, there might be some type of knowledge-system in the
background to analyse a selected pic. From there he system
could offer a questionnaire to concrete the targets and, at
last, suggest some reasonable steps to improve a pic.
--
I really would like support dt with some contributions;
however, I can not program software.
--
One small question I have: dt is completely non-destructive. If
a work on a pic, I only see the _changed_ version, not the
original version.
How can I see both versions a the time to gain an overview?
--
Is there a way to organise dt styles (from
<https://dtstyle.net/ <https://dtstyle.net/>>)?
--
Can one modify the GUI?
--
Thank you again-
Axel
darktable
Re: [darktable-user] Importing from camera
When you open lighttable, you'll see an "import" function top left directly under the darktable logo. Click on "import and you'll see two possibilities; "image..." and "folder...". Assuming that you're looking for a folder on your camera, click on "folder...". When the folder window pops up, look for your camera and find the folder on your camera that contains your images. Piece of cake! Willy Williams ** On 1/1/2021 at 11:53, Tom Whale wrote: On 01.01.2021 at 02:12 nanoq wrote: Hi Jim, You will find the Scan For Devices button in the left uppermost part of lighttable view. Make sure you have scrolled up there!! There you will find the Import section with the tabs Picture and directory. That is it. This is how it looks, there is nothing to scroll, no button: https://imgur.com/a/sOe4k44 Why not copy your photos from your camera to your hdd and then import them (directory button) to your DT database in a second step? Besides your problem might be that your windows as well as DT want to simultaneously acces your camera via usb. That probably daesn't work. If you for reasons I don't know have to directly import from you camera try to disconnect your camera from Windows (little icon in your taskbar I think - I am on Linux). This way DT could have exclusive access to your camera. At least that is the way it works for tethering. Thanks to all here helping me. I guess best would be to copy the photos from my SD to my photos folder on my harddisk. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] dt 3.4 - a mighty tool!!
Even better explained in the print manual in section 3.3.10.4 - "The layout manager allow you to create, remove, rename and duplicate presets. Inside each presets (except built-in ones which are read-only) you can create, remove or move groups, define its icon and name, and set which module should appear under which group." Willy Williams * On 12/31/2020 at 10:30, Willy Williams wrote: So, make your own "Favorites" module. From - https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/module-reference/utility-modules/darkroom/manage-module-layouts/#_workflow-beginner_ previous config module groups These follow the layouts of the previous two groups, but include an additional /favourites/ group where users made use of this feature in prior versions of darktable. Now that users may create their own custom groups, there is no longer a need for an explicit “favourites” group. module-group-favourites-icon <https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/module-reference/utility-modules/darkroom/manage-module-layouts/module-group-favorites-icon.png> favourite modules This group was previously used by users to make it easier to find frequently-used modules, and is available under the “previous config” presets. New users can, of course, still create their own custom group and name it “favourites” if they so desire. Willy Williams On 12/30/2020 at 18:24, Terry Pinfold wrote: HI all, Darktable is a fantastic program thanks to the incredible effort of the developers. Hats off to the dedicated developers for DT 3.4.0. It is a very sophisticated program that requires time to learn. But it is really worth learning. There are some great video resources for those who learn by watching and there is the user manual which is a must read for each module when you first start using a new module. I don't believe the developers should or could make Darktable beginner friendly without compromising what makes Darktable great. Possibly the basic adjustment module could have a few more features added to it like denoise, sharpening, local contrast which would just be duplicating commonly used features from other modules and placing them in one place. That would make it easier for the beginner and the person who only wants simple edits. On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 07:17, Martin Straeten mailto:martin.strae...@gmail.com>> wrote: The requested beginners workflow is already described: https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/overview/workflow/ <https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/overview/workflow/> But if a beginner even doesn’t spend time to read the first section of the manual, why deveolpers should spend time to provide a gui they never would use for their edits. Darktable developers „eats their own dogfood“ so the ui is to satisfy their demands. And of course: don’t mix up ‚beginners‘ with used-to-lightroom-guys Am 29.12.2020 um 16:25 schrieb Dr. A. Krebs mailto:i...@axel-krebs.de>>: Dear developers: thank you very much for this great piece of software! It offers chances, I'd never expected before to take advantage of raw files. I'm using D500 & D850, Ubuntu 18.04, 64 bit, 32 GB RAM. -- dt seems to require quite a bit studies to find out the appropriate steps to image processing. As we can see, there are people searching for a beginners-type GUI. For me some type of such "beginners workflow" helped a lot; however, there should be a physical / arithmetical backup for such workflows. Overall, there might be some type of knowledge-system in the background to analyse a selected pic. From there he system could offer a questionnaire to concrete the targets and, at last, suggest some reasonable steps to improve a pic. -- I really would like support dt with some contributions; however, I can not program software. -- One small question I have: dt is completely non-destructive. If a work on a pic, I only see the _changed_ version, not the original version. How can I see both versions a the time to gain an overview? -- Is there a way to organise dt styles (from <https://dtstyle.net/ <https://dtstyle.net/>>)? -- Can one modify the GUI? -- Thank you again- Axel darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to
Re: [darktable-user] dt 3.4 - a mighty tool!!
So, make your own "Favorites" module. From - https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/module-reference/utility-modules/darkroom/manage-module-layouts/#_workflow-beginner_ previous config module groups These follow the layouts of the previous two groups, but include an additional /favourites/ group where users made use of this feature in prior versions of darktable. Now that users may create their own custom groups, there is no longer a need for an explicit “favourites” group. module-group-favourites-icon <https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/module-reference/utility-modules/darkroom/manage-module-layouts/module-group-favorites-icon.png> favourite modules This group was previously used by users to make it easier to find frequently-used modules, and is available under the “previous config” presets. New users can, of course, still create their own custom group and name it “favourites” if they so desire. Willy Williams On 12/30/2020 at 18:24, Terry Pinfold wrote: HI all, Darktable is a fantastic program thanks to the incredible effort of the developers. Hats off to the dedicated developers for DT 3.4.0. It is a very sophisticated program that requires time to learn. But it is really worth learning. There are some great video resources for those who learn by watching and there is the user manual which is a must read for each module when you first start using a new module. I don't believe the developers should or could make Darktable beginner friendly without compromising what makes Darktable great. Possibly the basic adjustment module could have a few more features added to it like denoise, sharpening, local contrast which would just be duplicating commonly used features from other modules and placing them in one place. That would make it easier for the beginner and the person who only wants simple edits. On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 07:17, Martin Straeten mailto:martin.strae...@gmail.com>> wrote: The requested beginners workflow is already described: https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/overview/workflow/ <https://www.darktable.org/usermanual/en/overview/workflow/> But if a beginner even doesn’t spend time to read the first section of the manual, why deveolpers should spend time to provide a gui they never would use for their edits. Darktable developers „eats their own dogfood“ so the ui is to satisfy their demands. And of course: don’t mix up ‚beginners‘ with used-to-lightroom-guys Am 29.12.2020 um 16:25 schrieb Dr. A. Krebs mailto:i...@axel-krebs.de>>: Dear developers: thank you very much for this great piece of software! It offers chances, I'd never expected before to take advantage of raw files. I'm using D500 & D850, Ubuntu 18.04, 64 bit, 32 GB RAM. -- dt seems to require quite a bit studies to find out the appropriate steps to image processing. As we can see, there are people searching for a beginners-type GUI. For me some type of such "beginners workflow" helped a lot; however, there should be a physical / arithmetical backup for such workflows. Overall, there might be some type of knowledge-system in the background to analyse a selected pic. From there he system could offer a questionnaire to concrete the targets and, at last, suggest some reasonable steps to improve a pic. -- I really would like support dt with some contributions; however, I can not program software. -- One small question I have: dt is completely non-destructive. If a work on a pic, I only see the _changed_ version, not the original version. How can I see both versions a the time to gain an overview? -- Is there a way to organise dt styles (from <https://dtstyle.net/ <https://dtstyle.net/>>)? -- Can one modify the GUI? -- Thank you again- Axel darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] darktable 3.4.0
My thanks to the entire crew of developers for this wonderful release, and to Bruce Williams for four terrific videos (so far) to educate and amuse. Blessings to all for a wonderful New Year! Willy Williams -- “You don’t take a photograph. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it.” - Unknown -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Download 3.4.0
I got the same message, but installed anyway on two Win 10 machines and one Linux machine, and have had no issues whatsoever after having done so. Willy Williams ** On 12/27/2020 at 12:15, Marc Cabuy wrote: Neil, That is strange. I tested this darktable-3.4.0-win64.exe download just now on my Windows 10 PC from here (https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.0 <https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/releases/tag/release-3.4.0>). I also use Defender as my only antivirus (updated Security Intelligence version 1.329.1168.0 of 27/12/2020). No issue to download. I did not uninstall 3.2.1 though (I only plan for this upgrade in a few weeks when I have new pictures to process.) Marc. *Van: *NEIL K <mailto:01myphoto...@gmail.com> *Verzonden: *zondag 27 december 2020 17:54 *Aan: *darktable forum <mailto:darktable-user@lists.darktable.org> *Onderwerp: *[darktable-user] Download 3.4.0 Hi I was trying to download DT 3.4.0 after deleting previous DT on my PC using Windows 10. The download was blocked giving a message that It could harm your device. Going further, learnt that Microsoft defender system advised this as harmful. Presently didnot download. Need your help and advice asap. Thanks Neil darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing
If you're going to do a serious test, you might want to consider using a standard ColorChecker card (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColorChecker) to ensure that the colors you perceive are close to a known industry standard. Willy -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 12/25/20 5:58 PM, Terry Pinfold wrote: Hi Germano, thanks for your considered replies. I concede your point when you said "because for example I may want to just adjust the exposure and few other things, by using the colours already generated by the camera". I decided to do a test. I found an image of a kangaroo (I am Australian) where I had both a JPG and NEF file. I opened the JPG in DT and did a snapshot of the image to use as a comparison for working the RAW file. I then opened the RAW file and activated the snapshot from the JPG. The RAW file was a little darker and duller. I easily corrected this using the exposure module and the white and black relative exposure sliders in filmic. The image looked nearly identical to the jpg except for one patch of fur on the kangaroo which didn't match perfectly in color. Initially I was not sure how I could fix this because when I tried whitebalance the global shift of colours just made it worse. Then I went to the color zones module and used the eyedropper to identify the color of the patch of fur that was giving me problems. In the saturation tab I started raising the saturation of this region and the final result was as identical as I would ever hope to achieve. So my conclusion is that yes I can achieve an all but identical image from a RAW nef file and a JPG image rapidly in DT. I feel the issue is that Nikon and other camera manufacturers apply unique corrections to the JPG based upon many factors including what picture style you have selected in the camera. For instance, if landscape is selected in the camera then Nikon pumps the blues and greens up a bit. I actually have made a preset in color zones module to enhance greens in landscapes. I also have another to reduce excessive red in skin tones. I guess these are me making my own picture styles in DT. Take home message is try using the snapshot feature of darktable as a reference for setting the RAW file if you want to match the camera JPG. I admit when I edit images I do not care about the camera JPG, but feel one of the biggest challenges when first learning to edit your own RAW files is to get a result as good as the camera's JPG, let alone better. After all Canon, Nikon, Olympus and all the other manufacturers have invested a lot of resources and expertise into coming up with the 'secret recipes' to produce these JPGs in an attempt to make their cameras the best on the market. On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 08:50, Germano Massullo mailto:germano.massu...@gmail.com>> wrote: I am replying hereunder to most of the answers I got. Thank you everybody David Vincent-Jones wrote: Your camera JPG is produced using Nikon's secret and special 'sauce' and achieving an identical result would be difficult. People who shoot RAW files generally believe that they can hand craft a result that is at least similar but probably better than that which the camera manufacturer can offer. Yes, unfortunately I think they give their special sauce only to big software companies, like "you know who" company. Indeed I tried to produce a JPEG (from NEF) from THAT software and I got an image that is ~identical to the camera JPEG. Martin Straeten wrote: You might use this: https://pixls.us/articles/profiling-a-camera-with-darktable-chart/ Yes, luckily I have a X-Rite Colour Checker, I have to use it more often Terry Pinfold wrote: Not really answering the direct question here, but making an observation that many others have said before me. If you want your image to look like the cameras JPG then use the JPG. To me the whole idea of using RAW files and processing in DT is to hand-craft my own image how I as the photographer/artist want to render the scene. I don't agree because for example I may want to just adjust the exposure and few other things, by using the colours already generated by the camera I would also comment that Filmic V4 is giving me a very nice starting point for most of my images compared to the base curve options or Filmic V3. Nice suggestion, I am currently studying it with guide https://www.mauriziopaglia.it/filmic-faq/ Archie Macintosh wrote: place Input Color Profile early in the pipe, as Aurélian Pierre does with the jpeg he's editing in this video at 14:22: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzACn3l49HM Thank you, I bookmarked the video Kees Stravers wrote: What version of Darktable are you using? In my experience, Darktable 2.6.x gets much closer to the Nikon
Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2.1 - Perspective correction
That assertion came from a message much farther back in the chain. Willy *** On 12/8/2020 at 16:59, David Vincent-Jones wrote: There never has been a "small OK button" in the perspective module. Leaving (closing) the module finalizes the changes. On 2020-12-08 12:31 p.m., Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [12-08-20 13:30]: I've tried the perspective correction on the NEF file provided by Petr and can confirm that his assessment is accurate regarding the issue experienced. I, too, do not see any small OK button anywhere in the photo. If I apply the correction as Petr did, and subsequently move up the module stack to Crop and Rotate, the change IS applied, but I am not able to apply it from within the Perspective Correction module. I'm on v3.2.1 running on Win 10. Willy *** On 12/5/2020 at 10:02, Petr Bartel wrote: Hi, Here is the RAW (nef Nikon Z6)https://drive.google.com/file/d/11EK1DCpcuYHRQd1G-hAMDdoBTGXFmJ6L/view?usp=sharing Yes, please give it a try. Thank you -- Původní e-mail -- Od: paka Komu:darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Datum: 5. 12. 2020 3:11:58 Předmět: Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2.1 - Perspective correction * Petr Bartel [12-04-20 18:14]: > > Hi Gentlemen, > > > Sorry for the delay. I am attaching two screenshots > > - Perspective module is open (and apply just this time just ctrl+click on > get structure + crop the largest area)https://imgur.com/bDdSAMx > > - Perspective module closed by double click OR click on perspective > correctionhttps://imgur.com/ondeUI6 > > If needed I can provide the original .nef RAW file. > please provide a link to the raw file I will perform the perspective correction documenting the actions I take and then export the photo and provide a link for you to see the result. I have not experienced what you describe and cannot get into my head why you are having the problem. Maybe we can solve it this way. gud luk, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos:http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org yes, it is necessary to leave the perspective correction module in order to apply the action. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2.1 - Perspective correction
I've tried the perspective correction on the NEF file provided by Petr and can confirm that his assessment is accurate regarding the issue experienced. I, too, do not see any small OK button anywhere in the photo. If I apply the correction as Petr did, and subsequently move up the module stack to Crop and Rotate, the change IS applied, but I am not able to apply it from within the Perspective Correction module. I'm on v3.2.1 running on Win 10. Willy *** On 12/5/2020 at 10:02, Petr Bartel wrote: Hi, Here is the RAW (nef Nikon Z6) https://drive.google.com/file/d/11EK1DCpcuYHRQd1G-hAMDdoBTGXFmJ6L/view?usp=sharing Yes, please give it a try. Thank you -- Původní e-mail -- Od: paka Komu: darktable-user@lists.darktable.org Datum: 5. 12. 2020 3:11:58 Předmět: Re: [darktable-user] Darktable 3.2.1 - Perspective correction * Petr Bartel [12-04-20 18:14]: > > Hi Gentlemen, > > > Sorry for the delay. I am attaching two screenshots > > - Perspective module is open (and apply just this time just ctrl+click on > get structure + crop the largest area) https://imgur.com/bDdSAMx > > - Perspective module closed by double click OR click on perspective > correction https://imgur.com/ondeUI6 > > If needed I can provide the original .nef RAW file. > please provide a link to the raw file I will perform the perspective correction documenting the actions I take and then export the photo and provide a link for you to see the result. I have not experienced what you describe and cannot get into my head why you are having the problem. Maybe we can solve it this way. gud luk, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Issue with opening these image files
There's a better link (https://www.darktable.org/resources/) to the manual which can be read online, and if you go farther down the page, you can download a PDF of the manual. Be aware that while darktable is in version 3.2.1 right now, the current manual is only to version 3.0. There is a new version of darktable coming out on Christmas, and the revised manual should follow pretty quickly. Willy -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 12/7/20 4:17 PM, Guillermo Rozas wrote: I suggest that you watch those videos a few times over, learn from them and then try again following that work-flow. I would add: read the manual, please (https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs) Specially, the section dedicated to the overview of the workflow: https://darktable-org.github.io/dtdocs/overview/workflow/ Best regards, Guillermo darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] dt 3.2.1 freezes on every import, probably user error; how to correct?
Do you know how to open a terminal window? If not, click on "Applications", then type in "terminal" in the search box at the top. That will put you at the Command Line Interface (CLI) where you can enter the appropriate commands. Give it a shot. Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 11/30/20 1:27 PM, tony Hamilton wrote: Really confused; what is this? Where is this text window? In Libre-Office? Or another text editor? Which one? I am looking for a text window which contains this text or do I enter this text? What does 'not darktable-cli do? What is the meaning of the text string (It seems to be syntactically incorrect: what entity is 'less than 'path' ? is 'path' both greater than and less than 'to' at the same time? In data terms, what are the values of these variables? Where do I find them ?). if I enter this text, does it need to be saved in a specific format or a specific location? Will some other application process this text ? If so, which one? How does it relate to darktable ? On 30/11/2020 01:18, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * tony Hamilton [11-29-20 20:15]: Not sure that I fully understand 'run from the command-line' to import a file or a folder, but when I pass the address of a previously unseen folder to darktable using CLI it opens that folder with no problem, giving me darkroom access to all the included images. I don't see any errors, but it should be noted that I wouldn't know where to look for them if there were any. I cannot tell if I am using OpenCL or not. A comprehensive search on the internet returns NO 'hits' which discuss OpenCL on Linux Mint 20, so I have no information on how to tell if OpenCL is installed, or being used. I am using Linux Mint 20 driving an nVidia GTX 645 OEM card, using driver nvidia-driver-455 version 455.38-0ubuntu0-20.04.1. On 29/11/2020 14:46, KOVÁCS István wrote: On Sun, 29 Nov 2020 at 10:27, tony Hamilton wrote: For the past few weeks I have noticed that dt .3.2.1 freezes towards the end of the import process When run from the command-line, do you see any errors? Do you use OpenCL? If yes, which card and driver? What operating system? Kofa darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail todarktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org in a text window: not darktable-cli darktable -d opencl darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently
And the answer is that converting text to a path did the trick, once I figured out how to do the job. :-P Patience is NOT my strong card. A big "Thank you" to Guillermo for pointing me in the right direction. Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 10/26/20 8:50 AM, Willy Williams wrote: This is one option not yet explored. Willy Williams ** On 10/26/2020 at 8:43, Guillermo Rozas wrote: The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability to embed fonts into a .svg file. Have you tried converting the fonts to paths before exporting de SVG? That should eliminate the font problem (I'm assuming the text is not a variable that darktable needs to replace). Regards, Guillermo darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently
This is one option not yet explored. Willy Williams ** On 10/26/2020 at 8:43, Guillermo Rozas wrote: The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability to embed fonts into a .svg file. Have you tried converting the fonts to paths before exporting de SVG? That should eliminate the font problem (I'm assuming the text is not a variable that darktable needs to replace). Regards, Guillermo darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently
Part of the logo is in fact curves, and does not vary, regardless of the operating system, but two parts of the overall logo (used in differing circumstances) are text, and one of those parts DOES change due to the kerning not present in Linux. As for transforming text to curves, I'll have to see if Inkscape can do that. Thanks for the suggestion. Willy Williams ** On 10/26/2020 at 9:04, Remco Viëtor wrote: On lundi 26 octobre 2020 13:27:52 CET Willy Williams wrote: The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability to embed fonts into a .svg file. Ubuntu Linux does not respond to fonts as Windows does. I've had to resign myself to the fact that a logo designed to work well in darktable on Windows must be redesigned to work tolerably well in darktable under Ubuntu Linux, and the fact that the two will not look identical under both operating systems due to Windows' ability to kern fonts as needed while Linux seems to lack the kerning ability. Can't you transform a text to curves? in that case, you'd freeze the lettershape and the kerning, while keeping scalability. I know that fonts are not supposed to scale linearly, so unless your logo is pure text, scaling would change the visible aspect in any case. Remco darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently
The end result found is that Inkscape does not have the ability to embed fonts into a .svg file. Ubuntu Linux does not respond to fonts as Windows does. I've had to resign myself to the fact that a logo designed to work well in darktable on Windows must be redesigned to work tolerably well in darktable under Ubuntu Linux, and the fact that the two will not look identical under both operating systems due to Windows' ability to kern fonts as needed while Linux seems to lack the kerning ability. Willy Williams *** On 10/13/2020 at 16:44, jys wrote: On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, at 08:20, Top Rock Photography wrote: Another issue may be kerning, where each SVG has precisely the same font, but the spacing is different. This might be a particularly interesting angle to investigate, given the history of the Freetype library used by most open source operating systems. For a long time, certain features of font rendering were not built into the versions of Freetype shipped by strongly FOSS-oriented distros due to concerns about possible patent issues. I've noticed that some of these concerns seem to have "expired" lately, but the situation could be different on different distros, or maybe even different versions of the same distro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeType#History darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Establishing a New Module Layout
This whole issue seems to be a solution in search of a problem. I'm just sayin'... Willy Williams On 10/25/2020 at 22:24, Matt Maguire wrote: It's because the favorites tab is made redundant having the ability to fully customise your groups. if for some reason you want a favorites tab, then no worries, just create a module group called "favourites" (you can even use a "star" icon for it, like we used to have), and assign whatever favourite modules you want to your new custom favourites group. On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 13:18, Bruce Williams <mailto:stu...@audio2u.com>> wrote: I haven't tried any builds post the stable version of 3.2.1, but wanted ask, why is the favorites tab being removed? Or is this just a temporary situation during the development cycle? Cheers, Bruce Williams. -- Forwarded message - From: *Patrick Shanahan* mailto:p...@opensuse.org>> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020, 12:38 Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Establishing a New Module Layout To: darktable forum mailto:darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>> * David Vincent-Jones mailto:david...@gmail.com>> [10-25-20 21:06]: > I am still finding problems in establishing a 'custom' module layout now > that the Favorites column is removed. The following describes my approach > and some apparent problems that have resulted. > > a. I started with a 'scene referred' module set and then deleted all modules > that I would not generally use. That module grouping was then saved. > > b. Then I opened an image and turned on the most common modules and saved > each 'on' module as a named preset. > > c. Then I was able to see my module selection correctly shown in the 'active > module' column. > > d. Next I saved all of the active modules (with check marks) in a new style. > > My hope was that this style would place only my common modules (in the > correct order) in the active column for other images. To my surprise modules > from other groups not only appeared but were turned on. For instance > filmic-rgb and base-curve were both showing as being active!! > > I do understand that this is under development but I wonder if others are > having similar problems and have found a way around the difficulties. create a module/collection named "Fav" or your choice populate it with your favorite modules. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org <http://en.opensuse.org> openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo <http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo> paka @ IRCnet freenode darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org <mailto:darktable-user%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently
On 10/12/2020 at 19:53, Guillermo Rozas wrote: The logo looks identical on all three machines when viewed in Inkscape, yet when it is exported into the appropriate location for user-generated watermarks in darktable on each of the three machines, the two lines of text below the script logo shift slightly in size and position when the watermark is applied to an identical test photo on each machine. Are you exporting the logo on each separate machine? Have you tried using the same exported SVG file (from any machine) in all? The original .AI image was opened on only one (Win 10) machine and the resulting .SVG image was copied to the remaining two machines (Win 10 and Linux). That .SVG file was opened in Inkscape on all three machines and appeared identical in font and in type location relative to the logo graphic, just as it was created on the first machine. The script logo does not shift at all; it's just the three lines below the logo that shift. Am I not holding my mouth right? Did I forget to perform some weird incantation on the full moon? First thing that crosses my mind is that the three machines are not using the same version of the text font. Are you sure Inkscape and/or darktable are not doing some font substitution? The Win 10 machines appear to be using the same (sans serif) font. I'm not sure which font that Linux machine is using. Today I'm going to switch to a different font that I know is the same on all three machines and try again. I know this font (Della Robbia BT) is the same because I personally loaded it onto all three machines. One thing to test: convert the text to curves on Inkscape before exporting. Thanks for this suggestion. I'll give it a try today and see what results. Best regards, Guillermo Thanks for your insights, Guillermo. Willy darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
[darktable-user] Question regarding SVG files and why they work differently
I have a question regarding the .SVG files used as watermarks and why they appear differently in darktable on multiple machines. I have just acquired a personal logo that I can edit in Inkscape as needed. Inkscape is on three machines, two of which are on Windows 10 Pro; one is on Ubuntu Linux 20.04.1. The logo looks identical on all three machines when viewed in Inkscape, yet when it is exported into the appropriate location for user-generated watermarks in darktable on each of the three machines, the two lines of text below the script logo shift slightly in size and position when the watermark is applied to an identical test photo on each machine. The script logo does not shift at all; it's just the three lines below the logo that shift. Am I not holding my mouth right? Did I forget to perform some weird incantation on the full moon? Willy Williams -- “You don’t take a photograph. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it.” - Unknown -- darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Re: Question regarding watermark location in Ubuntu Linux - RESOLVED!
Remco's comment got me thinking. I HAD used a snap package. All instances of darktable were subsequently removed from this machine. I reinstalled darktable 3.2.1 using the PPA. Finally, everything is working right again. My watermarks are working as intended. Thank you, Remco! :-) Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 10/3/20 1:42 PM, Remco Viëtor wrote: On samedi 3 octobre 2020 19:14:36 CEST Top Rock Photography wrote: One thing which occurred to me, and I cannot see why this will be so, but I thought of permissions on your files. Do this…. ls -l ~/.config/darktable/watermarks/*.svg and you should see something to the effect of -rw-rw-??- 1 $USER1 $USER2 ??? MM DD /home/$USER1/.config/darktable/watermarks/MyWatermark.svg First off, $USER1 and $USER2 would normally be the same thing. (If it is not, that does not mean that something is wrong; just that something is unusual, and that might be a problem). Well, on my system (and most, if not all, other linux/unix systems I've seen), $USER1 is indeed your login name, but $USER2 (group) is *not* the same, commonly I'd expect a normal user to be a member of group "users". Second, $USER1 ought to be your Linux login username. (If it is not, then something is probably wrong). Finally, depending on what $USER1 and $USER2 are, the lines ought to start with one of, -rw-r- … -rw-rw … -rw-r--r-- … -rw-rw-rw- … The only important part here is the first group of "rw-", the others won't change anything (in this respect), as darktable is running with the login name as user. If it does not, then we may have an idea of where to start. So tell us what you see when you type the command, and we can possibly go from there. (If what you see is one of the four above listed patterns, and $USER1==$USER2, then I am still stumped, but it may still help to know). As I said "$USER1==$USER2" would be strange... for OP: Something else that *may* play a role (based on some other questions about access I've seen): are you by any chance using a snap package for version 3.2.1, and a different install method for 3.0.2? Remco darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Re: Question regarding watermark location in Ubuntu Linux
Thanks for the input, jys. An interesting thing - being somewhat arbitrary, I chose to revert from darktable 3.2.1 to 3.0.2 on my Linux machine this morning. Interestingly, I can now see the three new .svg files in darktable (in the $HOME/.config/darktable directory) and use them to create watermarks. Thanks for your help and guidance. Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 10/1/20 8:23 PM, jys wrote: On Thu, Oct 1, 2020, at 12:36, Willy Williams wrote: OK, I found the watermarks location under "Computer/usr/share/darktable/watermarks", but it's locked and I am unable to paste the new .svg files into that location. How does one unlock that structure? I'm a Linux Noob (must admit it). Quick basic thing to understand: the directories under /usr/share are *system* directories, where default resources are usually installed alongside the applications which use them. Admin rights (aka "root") are required to modify them, but this isn't usually necessary because typically there will be a corresponding location for *user* resources within your own home directory. In the case of darktable, essentially everything is in your $HOME/.config/darktable directory (but sometimes the $HOME/.local/share directory is used by applications for things that aren't strictly "configuration"). Also, pay attention to tooltips when hovering over controls in darktable... they often provide useful information. In this case, the tooltip for the first module widget shows the answer to your question. :-) darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
Re: [darktable-user] Re: Question regarding watermark location in Ubuntu Linux
Thank you, Patrick. Having done that (note the screenshot below), darktable still can't seem to find these three files. And yes, I do need more time getting into the file system. Willy Williams -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to borrow it." - Unknown -- On 10/1/20 8:06 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Willy Williams [10-01-20 19:42]: OK, I found the watermarks location under "Computer/usr/share/darktable/watermarks", but it's locked and I am unable to paste the new .svg files into that location. How does one unlock that structure? I'm a Linux Noob (must admit it). mkdir ~/.config/darktable/watermarks then add your watermark (svg) files there ps: there is no "Computer/usr/share/darktable/watermarks" but there is /usr/share/darktable/watermarks but that is for system files, not user files. and to help you prevent yourself from borking your system, a little research into linux filesystem structure will greatly benefit you. darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-user+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
