Re: [jQuery] OT: technique to pass values to JS/JQuery through HTML
Hi there,another interesting feature I use very often is to extend the XHTML namespace and just use custom attributes like isDisabled, isEditable and such stuff.At any rate, your browser will ignore these attributes and you will have access to them via getAttribute, if you want a validating xhtml file, you should also add a custom dtd file. Check this out: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-modularization/dtd_developing.htmlHope this helps!2006/9/10, Arash Yalpani [EMAIL PROTECTED]:Hi Klaus,thanks for your answer and your hint to w3! So it seems to be a common technique. I was wondering if I am the only one doing this, but it'sgood to know that I have accomplices out there ;-)Cheers, ArashKlaus Hartl schrieb:Arash, you could as an alternative use the class attribute for that, but theres no need to feel false about the id as well. From the HTML Spec:The id attribute has several roles in HTML: * As a style sheet selector. * As a target anchor for hypertext links. * As a means to reference a particular element from a script. * As the name of a declared OBJECT element. * For general purpose processing by user agents (e.g. foridentifying fields when extracting data from HTML pages into a database, translating HTML documents into other formats, etc.).The class attribute, on the other hand, assigns one or more class namesto an element; the element may be said to belong to these classes. A class name may be shared by several element instances. The classattribute has several roles in HTML: * As a style sheet selector (when an author wishes to assign styleinformation to a set of elements). * For general purpose processing by user agents.http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/global.html#h-7.5.2 -- klausArash Yalpani schrieb:Hi,this has nothing to do with JQuery directly but since the brightestminds are around in this mailing list and this should be of general interest...What I am trying to do is to pass values along with a tag, so I can usethat values on a mouse click or so. A short example:ulli id=li_123Johnny/li li id=li_345Nina/lili id=li_54Olga/li/ulNow I could do something like this (pseudocode, might not work): $('ulli').click(function(){var userId = $(this).attr('id').split('_')[1];$.get('doSomething.php?userId=userId');});But it's an ugly workaround, most of the times I wouldn't want to use the id-attribute like this and I am not sure if any other HTML universalattribute can be used for this purpose. I have seen some otherimplementations of this technique for tooltips for example. Stefan uses it for his great Interface library where he takes the title tag's valueas an input for the tooltip text. It is even semantically ok:a href="" href="http://www.yahoo.com"> http://www.yahoo.com title=Link to YahooYahoo/aMy question is: do you use similar techniques and what benefits/problemsto they bring with? What are the alternatives? Cheers, Arash--Arash YalpaniEntwicklung browserbasierter Software-AnwendungenPrenzlauer Allee 173 | 10409 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.yalpani.de___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/-- Paul BakausWeb DeveloperHildastr. 3579102 Freiburg ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Preserving context within closure
Hi guys, My friend has had some trouble signing up for this list, so he asked me to forward this question while he tries to get his signup sorted out: // start quote Is there any standardized way to preserve context when setting callbacks within an object's method? Here's how I see it is done now: function Editor() { // class Editor var self = this; $(document).ready(function() { self.doSomething(); }); } Here's how I think it could be improved: function Editor() { // class Editor $(document).ready(function(ctx ) { ctx.doSomething(); }, this); } Do you see what I mean? Thanks in advance, --Jonas Galvez // end quote thanks, -Pat -- ᗷɭoℊẚᗰսɳᑯѲ⁈⁈⁈ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Preserving context within closure
From: Jonas Galvez (via Patrick Hall) Is there any standardized way to preserve context when setting callbacks within an object's method? Here's how I see it is done now: function Editor() { // class Editor var self = this; $(document).ready(function() { self.doSomething(); }); } Here's how I think it could be improved: function Editor() { // class Editor $(document).ready(function(ctx ) { ctx.doSomething(); }, this); } No offense, but that seems more complicated to me. To use it, I have to remember two rules: 1) The second argument to .ready() is an object. 2) This object is passed into the callback function as the first argument. That's not too bad, but what about .hover()? It takes two callback functions. I guess we will have to add that context object as the third argument. Every jQuery method would have to have this extra argument added, documented, and tested. By contrast, for the first example all I have to remember is: 1) Lexical scoping always works, with any nested function, in any JavaScript code. And it requires no code in jQuery to implement this. I think I can understand a possible motivation for the context argument approach, having been through a similar discussion a few years ago at Adobe. I was using closures extensively in the Acrobat multimedia JavaScript API that I was developing. My manager, an outstanding C++ programmer, saw this code and got a little freaked out - he asked me if I had a bug, because it didn't possibly look like it could work. I explained about closures, but he thought JavaScript programmers were unlikely to understand them or be comfortable with them, so he insisted that we provide context arguments very much like the one in your example. In retrospect, I should have stood my ground. Closures may be a bit discomforting when coming from other languages that do not encourage or allow them (C++, Java, etc.), but they are so powerful and useful that it pays to get familiar with them. If there's another motivation for the context argument I'd be curious to know what it is - I certainly may have overlooked something. -Mike ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Display Data in Chunks
Hi Rahul, I am running a PHP script which processes around 1500 records. Is there a way in jQuery to get partial data back from the server. i.e. get 100 finished records. no, this is not JQuery's business (and this goes for every other Ajax-Framework too). You have to make the *server* return only 100 records. So you could call your server like this: $('div').load('http://myserver.com/script.php?page=1pageSize=100'); $('div').load('http://myserver.com/script.php?page=2pageSize=100'); $('div').load('http://myserver.com/script.php?page=3pageSize=100'); ... And of course you have to adjust your script to process page/pageSize. Cheers, Arash ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Preserving context within closure
Hi, As it stands the solution is having a var self = this variable declared in the same function context as the event callback closure is defined... but am I the only one who sees it as a bit way too messy? I guess so ;-) I don't think it is messy, actually it is very clear what happens and why it should be that way. I think your additional parameter is a lot more messy. Actually I don't see any problem with var selft=this. I guess only a few people use class-based approaches like I do, that might a possible explanation why no one has complained about it before The var selft=this-construct has no problems with your class-based approach. Maybe it is not comfortable for you, but JavaScript is not a class-based language and jQuery is not a class-based library. Christof ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Can XPath support multi-attributes selector?
On 9/11/06, Blair McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The selector docs are missing at the moment, so I'll just take a stab at two possible causes: 1) I can't remember if 'thead//input' is the child or descendant selector, but 'thead input' is definitely descendant. 'thead//input' is means the input could be the directly child or descendant child of the thead. 2) It's possible multiple attribute selectors aren't supported. Try 'thead input[...], thead input[...]' instead. Blair Using two selector, does this mean the relationship is *or*? I want is *and*. But don't worry, the [EMAIL PROTECTED]'checkbox'] is eough for me now. Thanks. -- I like python! My Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou UliPad Site: http://wiki.woodpecker.org.cn/moin/UliPad UliPad Maillist: http://groups.google.com/group/ulipad ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] XPath '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' doesn't work on XML documents
Mark Gibson wrote: John Resig wrote: Just a hunch, but IE's DOM support isn't native Javascript. If they got their typelib wrong it may be trying to call getAttribute rather than check elem for a getAttribute property. Can you replace that last line with this and see if it works? } else if ( typeof(elem.getAttribute) != undefined ) { Ok, this fixes one problem, but a further error occurs on line 641: return elem.getAttribute( name, 2 ); It appears that the getAttribute method on XML elements only accepts a single argument: return elem.getAttribute( name ); From the MS docs the second argument of 2 forces the method to be case-sensitive, which if I'm correct, isn't required by any browser other than IE. So is it possible to detect whether the browser is IE and the document is an HTML doc - in which case use the two args method, otherwise call with just one arg. Sorry, I got this wrong - it doesn't force case sensitive. According to the docs: 2 - Returns the value exactly as it was set in script or in the source document. Now I'm even more confused, what else would it return? - Mark. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Ajax Throbber How-to?
Rey... Do you have an example? !//--andy matthewsweb developercertified advanced coldfusion programmerICGLink, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED]615.370.1530 x737--//- -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Rey BangoSent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 11:07 PMTo: jQuery Discussion.Subject: Re: [jQuery] Ajax Throbber How-to?Man, that is REALLY powerful John. I added a .hide() method like this:$("#throbber").hide() .ajaxStart(function(){ $(this).show(); }) .ajaxStop(function(){ $(this).hide(); });and then added my div like this:div id="throbber"img src="" width="16" height="16" alt="" border="0" //divand it worked like a charm!Thanks for your help and patience John.Rey...John Resig wrote: $("#throbber") .ajaxStart(function(){ $(this).show(); }) .ajaxStop(function(){ $(this).hide(); }); jQuery's system is more dynamic than just hiding/showing a single element, as you can see. Let me know if this helps you at all. --John I've seen some Ajax libraries that have an Ajax throbber/indicator function built in which allows you to specify an indicator during the Ajax call. Does JQuery have something like this? If not, whats everyone doing to display one? Any plugins for this? ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] New site using jquery ( jcarousel )
Well done! !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Armand Datema Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:16 AM To: jQuery Discussion. Subject: [jQuery] New site using jquery ( jcarousel ) Well the site is life now ( soft launch ) http://www.politieknieuws.nl/ Still need to add a few more modules and ad some extra serverside code to make sure the carousel id is only attached if the rows returned are 10 or more but so far im pretty happ with it and takes a lot fatser to load then a custom on i did a while back and the YUI one. Armand ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
I can understand laws on physical access. My uncle is a parapalegic, and had to fight to gain access to public buildings in Jacksonville, Flordai (where he lives). But to carry the law over to the website is just pushing it. It's less expensive than building ramps to all of your stores, but why?!? At what point do we stop bowing to political correctness and start telling people you're BLIND...get a friend to help you with the website. !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Morbus Iff Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:28 AM To: jQuery Discussion. Subject: Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps. I completely and totally disagree with the court in this case. At what point does it stop? Does my personal blog need to be accessible to the blind? What if I don't care about them? Why should the courts get involved in this No, your personal blog doesn't need to be accessible because it does not have a commercial brick and mortar store. Much like government agencies have to follow accessibility in the real world (and are /required/ to do the same on the Web with US 508), commercial entities have the same basic requirements (wheelchair ramp). These laws extending to their commercial entities on the web is not a huge leap to make. I just think that we're taking things like this a little too far, IMO. !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- It's !-- , not !- ..., and signatures should be four lines maximum, delimited by -- \n, not the monstrosity you're using. -- Morbus Iff ( take your rosaries off my ovaries ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
I completely and totally disagree with the court in this case. At what point does it stop? Does my personal blog need to be accessible to the blind? What if I don't care about them? Why should the courts get involved in this No, your personal blog doesn't need to be accessible because it does not have a commercial brick and mortar store. Much like government agencies have to follow accessibility in the real world (and are /required/ to do the same on the Web with US 508), commercial entities have the same basic requirements (wheelchair ramp). These laws extending to their commercial entities on the web is not a huge leap to make. I just think that we're taking things like this a little too far, IMO. !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- It's !-- , not !- ..., and signatures should be four lines maximum, delimited by -- \n, not the monstrosity you're using. -- Morbus Iff ( take your rosaries off my ovaries ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Interface Draggable in a container
I was under the impression that contaiment kept the element constrained inside the parent element, so its X and Y coordinates could not be smaller than the X and Y coordinates of the parent.That's not what I need. I need something like Google Maps, where the element can be outside the parent box, but will still be wrapped inside it. -- YehudaOn 9/11/06, Stefan Petre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want to keep the draggable inside its parent you can usecontainment 'parent'. This way the dragged element will never leave itsparent.Paul Bakaus wrote: Hi there, this is because of Interface appending the draggable element to the body, rather then to its parent. For example, scriptaculous appends the draggable to it's parent, so it will stay in context. I had the problem the other way around: When using scriptaculous, I had to modify scriptaculous to append to body, because of this: My draggable was in a overflow: auto container and I wanted to move it out. However, trying to move a overflow: auto's child will give you only scrollbars. Perhaps we should implement a option to toggle between appending to body/parent, like appendTo: 'body' 2006/9/10, Yehuda Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Anyone have any idea about this. Resolving this issue is honestly the difference between using Prototype and jQuery for a particular project. On 9/8/06, *Yehuda Katz * [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan or anyone who can answer this, I'd like to use a sortable inside a container a la Google Maps. Unfortunately, the current sortable code lifts items wrapper inside a container out of the container (regardless of zIndex) so you can see the entire item being dragged. Is there a way to have a draggable item inside a container that stays inside the container when being dragged? -- Yehuda Katz Web Developer (ph)718.877.1325 -- Yehuda Katz Web Developer (ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com mailto:discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- Paul Bakaus Web Developer Hildastr. 35 79102 Freiburg ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/___ jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/-- Yehuda Katz Web Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
Consider your own independence. Now consider needing to rely on others for many tasks in your life. Why would someone with disabilities be any less desirous of independence than yourself? Sure, it's a bit of a hassle from a developer's point of view when you have so much else already stacked on your plate. Maybe screen reader companies who want an edge on the market should work harder at working with the mess of a web that is already out there. And maybe we can all chip in a bit to make the web a more useful place for everyone. Frankly, solid semantic web design is a goal for me regardless of the accessibility issue. Where it gets tricky of course is graceful degredation of all the javascript work we're so fond of on this list. But I've heard enough other people also express that as a goal that I would expect we'd be batting pretty well there too. -Stephen Andy Matthews wrote: I can understand laws on physical access. My uncle is a parapalegic, and had to fight to gain access to public buildings in Jacksonville, Flordai (where he lives). But to carry the law over to the website is just pushing it. It's less expensive than building ramps to all of your stores, but why?!? At what point do we stop bowing to political correctness and start telling people you're BLIND...get a friend to help you with the website. !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Morbus Iff Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:28 AM To: jQuery Discussion. Subject: Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps. I completely and totally disagree with the court in this case. At what point does it stop? Does my personal blog need to be accessible to the blind? What if I don't care about them? Why should the courts get involved in this No, your personal blog doesn't need to be accessible because it does not have a commercial brick and mortar store. Much like government agencies have to follow accessibility in the real world (and are /required/ to do the same on the Web with US 508), commercial entities have the same basic requirements (wheelchair ramp). These laws extending to their commercial entities on the web is not a huge leap to make. I just think that we're taking things like this a little too far, IMO. !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- It's !-- , not !- ..., and signatures should be four lines maximum, delimited by -- \n, not the monstrosity you're using. -- Morbus Iff ( take your rosaries off my ovaries ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] mootools
Hi, yes, there is a bug in fx part. I fixed it already and will be on-line today. I also submitted a bug regarding float on IE with the solution. I hope someone can take some time to fix css('float') in jQuery. Meece, Clifford T wrote: I'm using the interface library effects, so it could be those, or CSS as you mentioned. The sample page is: http://langdata.potowski.org/Tests/InterfaceTest.php# -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Resig Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 6:48 PM To: jQuery Discussion. Subject: Re: [jQuery] mootools If that makes any sense. It seems like the float attribute is being turned off during the animation. Or something. Must be a CSS issue, seems to work fine for me: http://john.jquery.com/jquery/test/float.html Make sure that all the floated elements have a display of block, that might help. --John ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Interface Draggable in a container
True, that's the behavior. I will let you know when the new feature (to drag en element inside it's parent) is available for download. Yehuda Katz wrote: I was under the impression that contaiment kept the element constrained inside the parent element, so its X and Y coordinates could not be smaller than the X and Y coordinates of the parent. That's not what I need. I need something like Google Maps, where the element can be outside the parent box, but will still be wrapped inside it. -- Yehuda ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
I think the hardest part for many web developers to grasp, including myself, is how web accessibility is handled in web apps. Just hearing the term web accessibility makes it sound like a massive task when it may be as simple as placing text in ALT or TITLE tags. Since I've never coded for this personally, I can't say whats involved but I will be looking further into this as I'm sure that my clients, one day, will be affected by this. From an Ajax perspective, though, I'm not sure of what the implications are and with the dynamic nature of Ajax-enabled apps, I'm sure that there are additional challenges that we'll face. Rey... Morbus Iff wrote: I completely and totally disagree with the court in this case. At what point No, your personal blog doesn't need to be accessible because it does not have a commercial brick and mortar store. Much like government agencies have to follow accessibility in the real world (and are /required/ to do the same on the Web with US 508), commercial entities have the same basic requirements (wheelchair ramp). These laws extending to their commercial entities on the web is not a huge leap to make. I just think that we're taking things like this a little too far, IMO. !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- It's !-- , not !- ..., and signatures should be four lines maximum, delimited by -- \n, not the monstrosity you're using. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
Or we could say, As a society, we will insist that people who are physically disabled be afforded a minimal level of access to large, commercial or public areas. Disabled people are human beings too, and if we can do something to ensure that those who cannot do the things we take for granted can do them too, we'll be better off in the long run. Some of our greatest geniuses have been disabled, and we should not risk losing another genius because they cannot operate at a minimal level in the new information age.-- Yehuda On 9/11/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand laws on physical access. My uncle is a parapalegic, and hadto fight to gain access to public buildings in Jacksonville, Flordai (wherehe lives). But to carry the law over to the website is just pushing it. It's less expensive than building ramps to all of your stores, but why?!? Atwhat point do we stop bowing to political correctness and start tellingpeople you're BLIND...get a friend to help you with the website. !//--andy matthewsweb developercertified advanced coldfusion programmerICGLink, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED]615.370.1530 x737--//- -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]OnBehalf Of Morbus Iff Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 8:28 AMTo: jQuery Discussion.Subject: Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps. I completely and totally disagree with the court in this case. At what point does it stop? Does my personal blog need to be accessible to the blind?What if I don't care about them? Why should the courts get involved in thisNo, your personal blog doesn't need to be accessible because it does not have a commercial brick and mortar store. Much like government agencieshave to follow accessibility in the real world (and are /required/ to dothe same on the Web with US 508), commercial entities have the same basic requirements (wheelchair ramp). These laws extending to theircommercial entities on the web is not a huge leap to make. I just think that we're taking things like this a little too far, IMO. !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//-It's !-- , not !- ..., and signatures should be four linesmaximum, delimited by -- \n, not the monstrosity you're using. --Morbus Iff ( take your rosaries off my ovaries )Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus___ jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/___jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/-- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph) 718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
I think the hardest part for many web developers to grasp, including myself, is how web accessibility is handled in web apps. Just hearing the term web accessibility makes it sound like a massive task when it may be as simple as placing text in ALT or TITLE tags. Since I've never coded for this personally, I can't say whats involved but I will be looking further into this as I'm sure that my clients, one day, will be At my old job, we did a large number of government websites, which had to meet up with 508. In 90% of the cases, you were fine if: * you wrote the HTML/CSS yourself - no WYSIWIGs. * you didn't use tables for presentation purposes. * you didn't use Javascript for necessary features (this wasn't that bad for me anyways, cos I was never much a fan of JS for features, and our clients didn't really want them anyways). * every image that was a link had a text equivalent somewhere. and yes, title and alt attributes [1] not just on images, but also on /every/ a element. And writing strong alt/title is the key too - saying Click here to visit the Features page is NOT what you're looking for. * you validated your HTML and your CSS at validator.w3.org, and validated every page against Bobby. Honestly, if you start with a strong and semantic and validated X?HTML design, adding the accessibility to just that HTML is easy as pie. Adding accessibility to jQuery would be a whole 'nother issue. From an Ajax perspective, though, I'm not sure of what the implications are and with the dynamic nature of Ajax-enabled apps, I'm sure that there are additional challenges that we'll face. For my needs, if you can't bookmark the results of an AJAX application, it's not ready for prime time. Note that this is the /exact/ metric I applied to good Flash apps. [1] There is no such thing as an ALT or TITLE tag - they are attributes. Please start referring to them as such. -- Morbus Iff ( omnia mutantur, nihil interit ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
Honestly, if you start with a strong and semantic and validated X?HTML design, adding the accessibility to just that HTML is easy as pie. Adding accessibility to jQuery would be a whole 'nother issue. Thanks for the feedback. For my needs, if you can't bookmark the results of an AJAX application, it's not ready for prime time. Note that this is the /exact/ metric I applied to good Flash apps. I'd be interested in hearing John's perspective on this. [1] There is no such thing as an ALT or TITLE tag - they are attributes. Please start referring to them as such. Yes I know. I was typing quickly and had the img and anchor tags on my mind when I wrote that. A little bossy today aren't we? ;o) Rey... ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
Why should the courts get involved in this matter? Because few would make the effort otherwise. Sad but true. Section 508 was written to call out the fact that software companies CAN NOT ignore our disabled citizens. Even so, most do anyway. Believe me, it's MUCH easier going into a project thinking about A11y than trying to tack it on later. And if you do any work for the government or for IBM then this is moot point anyway; they won't even consider a product w/o a VPAT. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Help with loading a Google Map
I am trying to load this map page: http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/maps/map_test.html into this test page: http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/map_example.html The map_test.html file is the standard Google maps API script with fixed coordinates. The map_example.html file uses jquery to load map_test into a div using script type=text/javascript $(document).ready(function(){ $(a.snoco).click(function(){ $(div#mapContainer).load(maps/map_test.html); }); }); /script As you can see by viewing the example, the file is loading into the div, but the map is not being displayed. I was unsuccessful in trying to use pieces of the Google Map plugin found here: http://olbertz.de/jquery/googlemap.html My goal is to have a list of cities that when clicked will load the corresponding map into the div on the page (Ajax style). Thanks for any help. Jim ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Multiple IE+Opera problems
Hi all, I've got a problem, probably found a bug in jQuery. The $.load function doesn't refresh the DOM in select-fields when using IE6 (7 not tested) or Opera(8.5 and 9beta) but in FF it works. I've got the following source (unimportant things are hided): in Head: script type=text/javascript src=appxfile/jquery.js/script script type=text/javascript $(document).ready(function() { $(#KLS).bind(change, function() { $(#STW).load(./ajax.html); }) }); /script in Body: table tr td class=FixTextKlasse/td td class=FixTextStichwort/td /tr tr td select name=KLS id=KLS option/option option value=AdrGruppeAdressgruppe/option option value=AdrVerantverantwortliche Person/option /select /td td select name=STW id=STW /select /td /tr /table an Alert instead of the load function works. Another Problem is to display a ToolTip (or any other hover-Thing) when hovering an option within a select-list like this: select name=KSWT optgroup label=foo option value=foo title=foofoo/option /optgroup /select Without optgroup it doesn't work, too. Thanks for replying (and please leave me a copy if you answer to the mailinglist - i only receive daily digests) Yours, Michael ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Help with loading a Google Map
Check this out:http://www.nytsweeps.com/openhouseA site I designed that integrates Thickbox with Google Maps. May help you out.-- Yehuda On 9/11/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to load this map page:http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/maps/map_test.htmlinto this test page: http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/map_example.htmlThe map_test.html file is the standard Google maps API script withfixed coordinates.The map_example.html file uses jquery to load map_test into a div using script type=text/_javascript_$(document).ready(function(){$(a.snoco).click(function(){$(div#mapContainer).load(maps/map_test.html);}); });/scriptAs you can see by viewing the example, the file is loading into thediv, but the map is not being displayed.I was unsuccessful in trying to use pieces of the Google Map plugin found here: http://olbertz.de/jquery/googlemap.htmlMy goal is to have a list of cities that when clicked will load thecorresponding map into the div on the page (Ajax style). Thanks for any help.Jim___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/ -- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] mootools
I hope someone can take some time to fix css('float') in jQuery. Ah, ok - I see the bug for it. I'll check into it. --John ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Help with loading a Google Map
Ooooh. Yehuda...what a great idea. Works really well on IE/PC. !//--andy matthewsweb developercertified advanced coldfusion programmerICGLink, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED]615.370.1530 x737--//- -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Yehuda KatzSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:01 AMTo: jQuery Discussion.Subject: Re: [jQuery] Help with loading a Google MapCheck this out:http://www.nytsweeps.com/openhouseA site I designed that integrates Thickbox with Google Maps. May help you out.-- Yehuda On 9/11/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to load this map page:http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/maps/map_test.htmlinto this test page:http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/map_example.htmlThe map_test.html file is the "standard" Google maps API script withfixed coordinates.The map_example.html file uses jquery to load map_test into a div using script type="text/_javascript_"$(document).ready(function(){$("a.snoco").click(function(){$("div#mapContainer").load("maps/map_test.html");}); });/scriptAs you can see by viewing the example, the file is loading into thediv, but the map is not being displayed.I was unsuccessful in trying to use pieces of the Google Map plugin found here: http://olbertz.de/jquery/googlemap.htmlMy goal is to have a list of cities that when clicked will load thecorresponding map into the div on the page (Ajax style). Thanks for any help.Jim___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/ -- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Multiple IE+Opera problems
I've got a problem, probably found a bug in jQuery. The $.load function doesn't refresh the DOM in select-fields when using IE6 (7 not tested) or Opera(8.5 and 9beta) but in FF it works. It's a cross-browser issue, arguably a bug in IE (and Opera?), but should jQuery should try to work around the problem. I am pretty sure that IE does not support innerHTML to update options on a select element. The ajax .load() basically reduces to innerHTML, so that won't work. I believe it does work to replace the entire select though, maybe you could do that. Or, you could send your information as JSON and have the callback build the option elements using new Option methods. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Performance of idrag/idrop
Hi, I've created a UI where items can be dragged from a palette and dropped into a table - using jQuery and iDrag/iDrop from Interface. So, I've made every table cell and heading ('th.td') a Droppable, so there could be hundreds of droppables, but only a small amount of draggables (ie. less than 20). Now this is causing a major delay on starting a drag operation. I've had a look at idrop.js, and highlight() seems to where the delay occurs. I tried to profile the code using venkman, but can't my head round it at the minute - anyone know an easy way to profile a javascript function? Anyway, could anyone suggest an alternative, some performance improvements, or where the bottleneck is in highlight()? I thought about making the whole table a droppable - but I'm unsure of how to retreive the target element from a draggable. (BTW, i'm using ghosting if it makes a difference) Cheers - Mark Gibson ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] AJAXGrid plugin - text version
The grid is alpha. Leaks a lot and works very slow on IE, not usable on Opera. I don;t advice to use it yet. Florian wrote: Hi, There is a documentation ? Or send us your .php (To generate XML) Thank you, Florian On 8/23/06, *Gilles Vincent* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Impressive ! However, it's really buggy on Opera :( Sounds really promising althought -- 2006/8/21, Stefan Petre [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe this time the text gets right: This is a plugin I worked on a lot. Has a lot of features: * in place edit: the cells converts into text field, textarea or select * resizeable columns * keyboard navigation * live scrolling * triggers events on select and onsort , based on those you can link two grids or interact with other JavaScript function of your own * AJAX driven data loading based on a simple XML format * buffers data * basic API to interact with the grid from outside * the possibility to filter on server side the data inserted by user I'm working on: * on a reasonable date picker to edit date fields * freezed columns on horizontal scroll * resizeable grid demo at http://interface.eyecon.ro/demos/grid.html NOTE: don;t jump to use this plugin because: 1. is a very alpha 2. I haven't decide under which license will be released ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com mailto:discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com mailto:discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- Florian ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Performance of idrag/idrop
When you drag an element each droppable is interrogated until overlaps or to the end if no droppable is overlapped. If you have a large amount of drop zones in a grid with the same dimensiunos then you can use 'onDrag' and 'onDrop' callback from draggable to use mathematic rules for overlapping and decide witch drop zone is overlapped and to do further action. Mark Gibson wrote: Hi, I've created a UI where items can be dragged from a palette and dropped into a table - using jQuery and iDrag/iDrop from Interface. So, I've made every table cell and heading ('th.td') a Droppable, so there could be hundreds of droppables, but only a small amount of draggables (ie. less than 20). Now this is causing a major delay on starting a drag operation. I've had a look at idrop.js, and highlight() seems to where the delay occurs. I tried to profile the code using venkman, but can't my head round it at the minute - anyone know an easy way to profile a javascript function? Anyway, could anyone suggest an alternative, some performance improvements, or where the bottleneck is in highlight()? I thought about making the whole table a droppable - but I'm unsure of how to retreive the target element from a draggable. (BTW, i'm using ghosting if it makes a difference) Cheers - Mark Gibson ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
http://jobs.joelonsoftware.com/-- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Help with loading a Google Map
Yup. I tested it on IE/FF/Opera in both Windows and Mac, so it should be pretty stable. It was for a real site, so it was quite important that it really work.-- Yehuda On 9/11/06, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ooooh. Yehuda...what a great idea. Works really well on IE/PC. !//--andy matthewsweb developercertified advanced coldfusion programmerICGLink, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED]615.370.1530 x737--//- -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Yehuda KatzSent: Monday, September 11, 2006 11:01 AMTo: jQuery Discussion.Subject: Re: [jQuery] Help with loading a Google MapCheck this out:http://www.nytsweeps.com/openhouseA site I designed that integrates Thickbox with Google Maps. May help you out.-- Yehuda On 9/11/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to load this map page:http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/maps/map_test.html into this test page:http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/map_example.html The map_test.html file is the standard Google maps API script withfixed coordinates.The map_example.html file uses jquery to load map_test into a div using script type=text/_javascript_$(document).ready(function(){$(a.snoco).click(function(){$(div#mapContainer).load(maps/map_test.html);}); });/scriptAs you can see by viewing the example, the file is loading into thediv, but the map is not being displayed.I was unsuccessful in trying to use pieces of the Google Map plugin found here: http://olbertz.de/jquery/googlemap.htmlMy goal is to have a list of cities that when clicked will load thecorresponding map into the div on the page (Ajax style). Thanks for any help.Jim___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/-- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
I took this from the other thread "Ajax Throbber How-to?" since I believe it fits into this one better: When was the last time you disabled _javascript_? Today, yesterday and most days before that. Not for my normal web browsing, but for ensuring that the applications I build work without _javascript_. Now even if you don't care about blind people, one thing you should care about is writing good code. That includes using graceful degradation for every aspect you can. Why that is important? Because the landscape of browsers out there is incredibly complex and it's difficult to test your site with all of them. Now you can take the common "screw everything non ie/firefox" path or even include "opera/safari" in that, but you can also try to do better. No matter how old / bad a browser is, chances that it displays semantic html correctly and can handle normal forms are *very* high. So if you make a site that works just with that, and can manage it to build all this fancy _javascript_ as a layer on top of it, you've build an accessible web application for 99% of the people. That also includes the majority of internet users that do *not* have access via broadband and sometimes turn off JS / images just to gain speed. And I have to admit that I'm on a 64 kbit connection myself and most of those fancy 500 kb js web 2.0 apps have very little appeal to myself. Yet another reason I like the lightweightness of jQuery. One exception to what I've written above is the administration / back end area of your site. I think it's reasonable to set lower goals for the accessibility requirements on it unless it's going to be used by thousands of people. However, I still try do keep it light on JS anyway. Best Regards, Felix Geisendrfer -- http://www.thinkingphp.org http://www.fg-webdesign.de Mike Alsup schrieb: Why should the courts get involved in this matter? Because few would make the effort otherwise. Sad but true. Section 508 was written to call out the fact that software companies CAN NOT ignore our disabled citizens. Even so, most do anyway. Believe me, it's MUCH easier going into a project thinking about A11y than trying to tack it on later. And if you do any work for the government or for IBM then this is moot point anyway; they won't even consider a product w/o a VPAT. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Performance of idrag/idrop
Stefan Petre wrote: When you drag an element each droppable is interrogated until overlaps or to the end if no droppable is overlapped. If you have a large amount of drop zones in a grid with the same dimensiunos then you can use 'onDrag' and 'onDrop' callback from draggable to use mathematic rules for overlapping and decide witch drop zone is overlapped and to do further action. Yeah, I though of this, but can't see where I can position info from in the callback. Ideally I'd like to have a single Droppable on the whole table, and use the 'ondrop' callback, but having the position of the pointer (relative to the table element) passed to the callback function, is this possible? Cheers - Mark. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
Visual jQuery does not work without js. That was a purposeful decision I made to get it out the door and working. Obviously, this is something that probably will change in the future, but sites like Visual jQuery often can be released in a less friendly format, *especially if an alternative exists.* The existence of John's basic API made me much more comfortable in designing Visual jQuery around _javascript_. Thoughts?On 9/11/06, Felix Geisendörfer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I took this from the other thread Ajax Throbber How-to? since I believe it fits into this one better: When was the last time you disabled _javascript_? Today, yesterday and most days before that. Not for my normal web browsing, but for ensuring that the applications I build work without _javascript_. Now even if you don't care about blind people, one thing you should care about is writing good code. That includes using graceful degradation for every aspect you can. Why that is important? Because the landscape of browsers out there is incredibly complex and it's difficult to test your site with all of them. Now you can take the common screw everything non ie/firefox path or even include opera/safari in that, but you can also try to do better. No matter how old / bad a browser is, chances that it displays semantic html correctly and can handle normal forms are *very* high. So if you make a site that works just with that, and can manage it to build all this fancy _javascript_ as a layer on top of it, you've build an accessible web application for 99% of the people. That also includes the majority of internet users that do *not* have access via broadband and sometimes turn off JS / images just to gain speed. And I have to admit that I'm on a 64 kbit connection myself and most of those fancy 500 kb js web 2.0 apps have very little appeal to myself. Yet another reason I like the lightweightness of jQuery. One exception to what I've written above is the administration / back end area of your site. I think it's reasonable to set lower goals for the accessibility requirements on it unless it's going to be used by thousands of people. However, I still try do keep it light on JS anyway. Best Regards, Felix Geisendörfer -- http://www.thinkingphp.org http://www.fg-webdesign.de Mike Alsup schrieb: Why should the courts get involved in this matter? Because few would make the effort otherwise. Sad but true. Section508 was written to call out the fact that software companies CAN NOTignore our disabled citizens. Even so, most do anyway. Believe me, it's MUCH easier going into a project thinking about A11y than tryingto tack it on later. And if you do any work for the government or forIBM then this is moot point anyway; they won't even consider a product w/o a VPAT.___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/-- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
http://jobs.joelonsoftware.com/ My own examples are at: http://www.disobey.com/d/lists/ccgs/ (click through the subpages for larger examples) Of special interest here is that /there's no images/ - my arrows are UTF entities set via CSS' :before and 'content'; -- Morbus Iff ( relax have a happy meal ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
Which means it won't work in IE, right?On 9/11/06, Morbus Iff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://jobs.joelonsoftware.com/My own examples are at:http://www.disobey.com/d/lists/ccgs/(click through the subpages for larger examples) Of special interest here is that /there's no images/ - myarrows are UTF entities set via CSS' :before and 'content';--Morbus Iff ( relax have a happy meal )Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/-- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
Yehuda Katz schrieb: Which means it won't work in IE, right? right. could accomplish that with background-images instead... -- klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Accessibility. Take it Seriously in Your Web Apps.
That's an excellent point Yehuda. It's very easy to under estimate the work involved in making an entire application accessible. I've suffered through this pain for a huge Swing application. But at the same time, people often over estimate what is involved (especially for a small web-app or website). The bar is actually rather low: the app or site must be usable. If I disable css and js, can I use your site? If I use a screen reader with your site will it work? It doesn't have to be pretty and it doesn't have to be optimized (bonus points if it is though). It just has to work. Mike On 9/11/06, Yehuda Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Visual jQuery does not work without js. That was a purposeful decision I made to get it out the door and working. Obviously, this is something that probably will change in the future, but sites like Visual jQuery often can be released in a less friendly format, *especially if an alternative exists.* The existence of John's basic API made me much more comfortable in designing Visual jQuery around Javascript. Thoughts? ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Performance of idrag/idrop
I've had a look at idrop.js, and highlight() seems to where the delay occurs. I tried to profile the code using venkman, but can't my head round it at the minute - anyone know an easy way to profile a javascript function? you could use the excellent firebug extension: console.time('name'); // code to profile console.timeEnd('name'); http://www.joehewitt.com/software/firebug/docs.php -- klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
Which means it won't work in IE, right? No idea - I don't run any machines with IE. I just loaded up Parallels, and it doesn't appear that anything related to jQuery on those pages actually work (tablesorter, or the hider on the inner pages -- and since tablesorter sets the CSS id, I can't tell if the :before/content works). I don't care enough to fix it immediately -- about 60% of my visitors are not using IE, and the pages degrade nicely enough. If you can eyeball the fault immediately, lemme know ;) -- Morbus Iff ( in japan, i'm known as a puchi-iede. ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
Which means it won't work in IE, right? right. could accomplish that with background-images instead... The point of my exercise was NOT to use images. I am perfectly fine with users of IE not seeing a visual clue that they can sort the headers. -- Morbus Iff ( get on the floor. baby, lose control. ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] New site using jquery ( jcarousel )
Ziet er leuk uit : ) leuk om te zien dan jquery ook door nl-ers wordt gebruikt :) Andy Matthews wrote: Well done! !//-- andy matthews web developer certified advanced coldfusion programmer ICGLink, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 615.370.1530 x737 --//- -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Armand Datema Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:16 AM To: jQuery Discussion. Subject: [jQuery] New site using jquery ( jcarousel ) Well the site is life now ( soft launch ) http://www.politieknieuws.nl/ Still need to add a few more modules and ad some extra serverside code to make sure the carousel id is only attached if the rows returned are 10 or more but so far im pretty happ with it and takes a lot fatser to load then a custom on i did a while back and the YUI one. Armand ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
You probably shouldn't be fine with 40% of your users have no visual clue *at all* that they can do something. Or am I missing something? Considering that these lists are largely for my own purposes, yes, I could care less ;) Note, however, that the lack of :before or content isn't entirely a huge loss - the header of the table cell itself is also colored. Granted, it's certainly nothing that I'd proclaim or sell to clients as Finished, but these particular lists don't need to be. They're not a site -- merely a list of something I collect. Will I someday fix the error that is causing the jQuery elements to not work at all in IE? Yes. Do I plan to stop everything I'm doing to do so, when the data itself, and not its interaction, is most important? No. -- Morbus Iff ( my name is legion, for we are many... ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Can XPath support multi-attributes selector?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@...] Klaus is correct, this is how multiple attribute selectors are supported in jQuery. --John ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Interface Draggable in a container
It's uploaded as the regular version, or is there a svn somewhere I need to download from?On 9/11/06, Stefan Petre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I uploaded the changes. The sad part is I change a lot in draggables but I haven't got the time to test everything. Again, I didn't test onSafari You have an extra parameter for Daraggables 'insideParent', this way thedragged element will not leave the parent.Yehuda Katz wrote: Thanks a ton Stefan, It really is the difference, in this case, between using Interface and Scriptaculous. I appreciate your hard work (as I've said before, community is a major strength of jQuery over Prototype and you're proving it here). Kudos. -- Yehuda On 9/11/06, *Stefan Petre* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, that's the behavior. I will let you know when the new feature (to drag en element inside it's parent) is available for download. Yehuda Katz wrote: I was under the impression that contaiment kept the element constrained inside the parent element, so its X and Y coordinates could not be smaller than the X and Y coordinates of the parent. That's not what I need. I need something like Google Maps, where the element can be outside the parent box, but will still be wrapped inside it. -- Yehuda ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com mailto:discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- Yehuda Katz Web Developer (ph) 718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/___jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/-- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph) 718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Display Data in Chunks
Rahul - This is a case where implementing a Live Grid style application would be really good. There's already a jQuery Plugin that supports this: http://makoomba.altervista.org/grid/ --John I am running a PHP script which processes around 1500 records. Is there a way in jQuery to get partial data back from the server. i.e. get 100 finished records. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Help with loading a Google Map
Yehuda, Thanks for the link to your site. I used your method for creating the map page using jquery, as can be seen here: http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/map4.html I still want to simply load this page into a div rather than use thickbox. My example page: http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/map_example.html , still refuses to load the map. Any ideas? Jim On 9/11/06, Yehuda Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check this out: http://www.nytsweeps.com/openhouse A site I designed that integrates Thickbox with Google Maps. May help you out. -- Yehuda ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Help with loading a Google Map
You should look at my CSS. I had major issues that were similar to yours, and I used some padding and whatnot to make it work. I don't remember the details at the moment, but take a look at my CSS ;)-- Yehuda On 9/11/06, Jim Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yehuda,Thanks for the link to your site. I used your method for creating themap page using jquery, as can be seen here:http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/map4.html I still want to simply load this page into a div rather than usethickbox. My example page:http://www.4realty.info/newAugust06/map_example.html , still refusesto load the map.Any ideas?JimOn 9/11/06, Yehuda Katz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check this out: http://www.nytsweeps.com/openhouse A site I designed that integrates Thickbox with Google Maps. May help you out. -- Yehuda___ jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/-- Yehuda Katz Web Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
Great find Yehuda! It's fun to see that the plugin is being put to work. /christian Yehuda Katz wrote: http://jobs.joelonsoftware.com/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Client-side query term highlighting demo using jQuery
Client-side query term highlighting demo using jQuery http://dossy.org/referer-demo.html Here's a quick client-side query term highlighting demo that uses jQuery to parse the document.referrer and walks the DOM to highlight text by wrapping it in a span with the class qterm. Thanks, John, for pointing out that I can recursively walk the DOM with $(body *) ... that hit the spot. Here's the code: style type=text/css .qterm { color: #444; background-color: #ee9; font-weight: bold; } a span.qterm { color: #00f; text-decoration: underline; } a:hover span.qterm { color: #666; } /style script language=JavaScript $(document).ready(function() { if (!document.referrer) return; var matches = document.referrer.match(/[?]q=([^]*)/); if (!matches) return; var terms = unescape(matches[1].replace(/\+/g, ' ')); var re = new RegExp().compile('(' + terms + ')', 'i'); $(body *).each(function() { if ($(this).children().size() 0) return; if ($(this).is(xmp, pre)) return; var html = $(this).html(); var newhtml = html.replace(re, 'span class=qterm$1/span'); $(this).html(newhtml); }); }); /script Naturally, my parsing of document.referrer is *very* naive. Naturally, adding the appropriate expressions to match more than just Google (or any search engine that uses the q=terms form) is probably necessary. I leave that up to you folks to help fill that part in. :-) -- Dossy -- Dossy Shiobara | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dossy.org/ Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/ He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your own folly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70) ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Tabs plugin update: autoheight, effects
Hi all, I have updated the tabs plugin a bit again. There is now an autoheight option with which turned on all tabs have the same height. That avoids jumping content on a page on tab selection. $(...).tabs({fxAutoheight: true}); Not sure if I mentioned it here before, but you can also have a fade and/or slide effect for the tab switching... $(...).tabs({fxSlide: true, fxFade: true, fxSpeed: 'fast'}); If you omit the fxSpeed option it will default to 'normal'. All kind of examples here: http://stilbuero.de/jquery/tabs/ If you use effects you should include the following CSS in your style sheet to override inline styles and ensure printing (it's also in the demo's CSS, but I think it's worth mentioning): @media print { .fragment { display: block !important; height: auto !important; opacity: 1 !important; } } This works in all modern browsers. Needless to say that IE is not a modern browser. I will add that later. -- Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Only allow PDF File upload
Hi, I would like to create a simple file upload form. The whole thing should be something like described here: http://ch2.php.net/features.file-upload But I would like to restrict the upload to PDF files. Since I already have jQuery running for other purposes I was thinking about using it for this as well. (At least for the first stage to check the last three letters of the filename. If I am right it is not possible to check the MIME type before sending) My idea is to check the file-input field as soon as the name of the file is in there. I am not sure now if I can treat this file-input field like a text-input field or if I have to look for something special. If I have to treat is special can someone give me more information on how to do it? Thanks, Raffael ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Only allow PDF File upload
How about: input type=file accept=application/pdf name=whatever / A good first step, this should get most browsers limiting what you can select in the popup choose file dialog, Hope this helps, Kelvin :) Raffael Luthiger wrote: Hi, I would like to create a simple file upload form. The whole thing should be something like described here: http://ch2.php.net/features.file-upload But I would like to restrict the upload to PDF files. Since I already have jQuery running for other purposes I was thinking about using it for this as well. (At least for the first stage to check the last three letters of the filename. If I am right it is not possible to check the MIME type before sending) My idea is to check the file-input field as soon as the name of the file is in there. I am not sure now if I can treat this file-input field like a text-input field or if I have to look for something special. If I have to treat is special can someone give me more information on how to do it? Thanks, Raffael ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Checkboxes
Interesting. So it's not the THEAD/TFOOT, but the TH instead of TD. Thanks for the insight, Matt! I'll try that out! Kevin Matt Grimm wrote: Works for me if the checkbox is within a correctly constructed data cell: thead trtdinput type=checkbox //td/tr /thead m. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Scholl Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:26 PM To: jQuery Discussion. Subject: [jQuery] Checkboxes Would anyone have any idea why checkboxes within the THEAD and TFOOT of a table would not be recognized up by the following: $(document).ready(function(){ $([EMAIL PROTECTED]'checkbox']).click(function() { // do whatever }); }); // end ready function I'm working on a check/uncheck all script: http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/checkboxes.html where the checkboxes in the header and footer of the table should select/deselect all the others. If I put those checkboxes into regular TBODY rows, they work fine. But as soon as the THEAD and TFOOT tags are applied, it's as if the script can't even see that they exist (as tested using simple alerts). Any ideas? Thanks, Kevin ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Client-side query term highlighting demo using jQuery
But it could also be used to highlight things on the current page, maybe a live search, and if someone wants to link to a page with the live search results highlighted, then they could add ?q=Terms onto the end. On 9/11/06, Dossy Shiobara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006.09.11, Matt Stith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great job! Personally, i would check if document.location has a 'q' set, and if not, use the referrer, That would make it a little more usable.More usable how?The idea behind this code snippet is to highlightsearch query terms on click-through from a SERP.The SERP's URL iswhat we have in document.referrer, not document.location .-- Dossy--Dossy Shiobara| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://dossy.org/Panoptic Computer Network | http://panoptic.com/He realized the fastest way to change is to laugh at your ownfolly -- then you can let go and quickly move on. (p. 70)___ jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Only allow PDF File upload
Make sure you dont just accept any inputs from that form, its really easy to spoof referrers and all of that, so be sure to check the file's header in your server-side script and make sure its application/pdf. On 9/11/06, Raffael Luthiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks!I did already read http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/interact/forms.html. Butsomehow I didn't see this part. I should read more carefully next time. :( That's exactly what I needed as a first step.RaffaelKelvin Luck wrote: How about: input type=file accept=application/pdf name=whatever / A good first step, this should get most browsers limiting what you can select in the popup choose file dialog, Hope this helps, Kelvin :)___ jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Checkboxes
Actually, have discovered that the problem has nothing at all to do with the HTML table structure. Appears to be a conflict with the table sorting script that I currently have in place (which will shortly be replaced with the excellent JQuery solution from Christian Bach). Appreciate the look-see, though, Matt! Kevin Matt Grimm wrote: Works for me if the checkbox is within a correctly constructed data cell: thead trtdinput type=checkbox //td/tr /thead m. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Scholl Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 2:26 PM To: jQuery Discussion. Subject: [jQuery] Checkboxes Would anyone have any idea why checkboxes within the THEAD and TFOOT of a table would not be recognized up by the following: $(document).ready(function(){ $([EMAIL PROTECTED]'checkbox']).click(function() { // do whatever }); }); // end ready function I'm working on a check/uncheck all script: http://beta.ksscholl.com/jquery/checkboxes.html where the checkboxes in the header and footer of the table should select/deselect all the others. If I put those checkboxes into regular TBODY rows, they work fine. But as soon as the THEAD and TFOOT tags are applied, it's as if the script can't even see that they exist (as tested using simple alerts). Any ideas? Thanks, Kevin ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Tabs plugin update: autoheight, effects
Great additions, Klaus - I especially like the autoHeight addition, makes the user experience feel that much smoother. --John On 9/11/06, Klaus Hartl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have updated the tabs plugin a bit again. There is now an autoheight option with which turned on all tabs have the same height. That avoids jumping content on a page on tab selection. $(...).tabs({fxAutoheight: true}); Not sure if I mentioned it here before, but you can also have a fade and/or slide effect for the tab switching... $(...).tabs({fxSlide: true, fxFade: true, fxSpeed: 'fast'}); If you omit the fxSpeed option it will default to 'normal'. All kind of examples here: http://stilbuero.de/jquery/tabs/ If you use effects you should include the following CSS in your style sheet to override inline styles and ensure printing (it's also in the demo's CSS, but I think it's worth mentioning): @media print { .fragment { display: block !important; height: auto !important; opacity: 1 !important; } } This works in all modern browsers. Needless to say that IE is not a modern browser. I will add that later. -- Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- John Resig http://ejohn.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Tabs plugin update: autoheight, effects
Nice addition Klaus, keeping the elements at the same height has several design advantages. I'll have to take a look at your code. Cheers ~Sean ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Can XPath support multi-attributes selector?
On 9/12/06, John Resig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@...] Klaus is correct, this is how multiple attribute selectors are supported in jQuery. --John Thanks of all. -- I like python! My Blog: http://www.donews.net/limodou UliPad Site: http://wiki.woodpecker.org.cn/moin/UliPad UliPad Maillist: http://groups.google.com/group/ulipad ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] John's Pager Plugin?
Does anyone know what Christian Bach means on his Table sorter site when he says: * Added: Support for John’s pager plugin. I've never seen that plugin and I would love to be introduced to it! Can anyone shed some light? Christian? John??? Thanks, -Aaron -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/%22John%27s-Pager-Plugin%22--tf2256205.html#a6258029 Sent from the JQuery forum at Nabble.com. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
On a sidenote...if anybody knows a very good PHP developer (by very good I mean someone with OOP experience) as well as CSS/JS (jQuery!) experience, I don't measure very good by whether someone knows OOP or not. You can get yourself into /far/ more trouble with a bad OOP designer. -- Morbus Iff ( hey britney, you say you want to lose control? ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Tabs plugin update: autoheight, effects
In firefox 1.5.0.6 the autoheight seems set to the first tab in the example, and when you click the third tab the content overflows onto the tested with section below it. The container background seems sized correctly but the actual lorem ipsum text overflows. If nabble allows it there is a screenshot attached. http://www.nabble.com/user-files/235947/jq_tab_bug.png jq_tab_bug.png -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tabs-plugin-update%3A-autoheight%2C-effects-tf2255236.html#a6258291 Sent from the JQuery forum at Nabble.com. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Tabs plugin update: autoheight, effects
I'm pretty sure the CSS spec says that's supposed to happen. Attaching the following code should fix this:.fragment { overflow: auto;}On 9/11/06, abba bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In firefox 1.5.0.6 the autoheight seems set to the first tab in the example,and when you click the third tab the content overflows onto the testedwith section below it. The container background seems sized correctly but the actual lorem ipsum text overflows.If nabble allows it there is a screenshot attached.http://www.nabble.com/user-files/235947/jq_tab_bug.png jq_tab_bug.png--View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tabs-plugin-update%3A-autoheight%2C-effects-tf2255236.html#a6258291 Sent from the JQuery forum at Nabble.com.___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Tabs plugin update: autoheight, effects
Abba, that is strange. I cannot reproduce that bug, either on Mac nor on Windows XP, both with a FF 1.5.0.6. Which platform have you tested it on? -- Klaus abba bryant schrieb: In firefox 1.5.0.6 the autoheight seems set to the first tab in the example, and when you click the third tab the content overflows onto the tested with section below it. The container background seems sized correctly but the actual lorem ipsum text overflows. If nabble allows it there is a screenshot attached. http://www.nabble.com/user-files/235947/jq_tab_bug.png jq_tab_bug.png ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Tabs plugin update: autoheight, effects
Aaron Heimlich schrieb: I'm pretty sure the CSS spec says that's supposed to happen. Attaching the following code should fix this: .fragment { overflow: auto; } Sure, but that's not the point here. If it was working there shouldn't be content overflowing. Regards, Klaus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Sortable table plugin in the wild
Fair enough, and to be clear that wasn't meant to be a measure of skill, rather a level of distinction (we do serious development here and require the appropriate knowledge / skill set). It's not my intention to overtake this thread with a job discussion though :) Morbus Iff wrote: On a sidenote...if anybody knows a very good PHP developer (by very good I mean someone with OOP experience) as well as CSS/JS (jQuery!) experience, I don't measure very good by whether someone knows OOP or not. You can get yourself into /far/ more trouble with a bad OOP designer. -- Morbus Iff ( hey britney, you say you want to lose control? ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sortable-table-plugin-in-the-wild-tf2253730.html#a6258879 Sent from the JQuery forum at Nabble.com. ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
[jQuery] Form questions
1) Is it possible to easily get the current focused field?2) Is it possible to programmatically get the cursor to blink in a text field?-- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Form questions
From: Yehuda Katz 1) Is it possible to easily get the current focused field? 2) Is it possible to programmatically get the cursor to blink in a text field? Hi Yehuda, I wonder if you saw my reply to your previous message on this topic: http://jquery.com/discuss/2006-September/011349/ I don't think there is a way to do #2, but you don't need to do it if you follow my suggestion, because your touch keyboard won't steal the keyboard focus. You can do #1 by tracking blur and focus events on the text fields. I don't know of an easier way, but that is easy enough. -Mike ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Cookie handling in JQuery
Would def. make a nice plugin.On 9/11/06, Rey Bango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does JQuery have any methods specific to working with cookies (eg: set,get, et al) or should I just one of the many premade functions out inthe wild?Rey...___ jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/-- Yehuda Katz Web Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Form questions
Michael,I did see your earlier comments. Unfortunately, any click event unblurs inputs. I've gotten around it by tracking the focus using a global variable and reassigning it using the DOM method focus().-- Yehuda On 9/12/06, Michael Geary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Yehuda Katz 1) Is it possible to easily get the current focused field? 2) Is it possible to programmatically get the cursor to blink in a text field?Hi Yehuda, I wonder if you saw my reply to your previous message on this topic:http://jquery.com/discuss/2006-September/011349/I don't think there is a way to do #2, but you don't need to do it if you follow my suggestion, because your touch keyboard won't steal the keyboardfocus.You can do #1 by tracking blur and focus events on the text fields. I don'tknow of an easier way, but that is easy enough. -Mike___jQuery mailing listdiscuss@jquery.comhttp://jquery.com/discuss/ -- Yehuda KatzWeb Developer(ph)718.877.1325 ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/
Re: [jQuery] Form questions
I did see your earlier comments. Unfortunately, any click event unblurs inputs. I've gotten around it by tracking the focus using a global variable and reassigning it using the DOM method focus(). Oh rats, what was I thinking. You're right, of course. Sounds like you have a good solution now, though. -Mike ___ jQuery mailing list discuss@jquery.com http://jquery.com/discuss/