Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Mac OSX
Well don't I feel silly now! It turns out I just needed to restart Squeezeplay after configuring eqMac for the 'MacBook Pro Speakers'. No jiggery pokery with plist files needed at all. So eqMac is a keeper - it's only the free version, but it does exactly what I wanted it to. I've configured it to launch at login, so it's always there. And boy does it now sound good. Mightily impressed with this new laptop. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96328 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Mac OSX
Well eqMac evidently creates an output device called "MacBook Pro Speakers (eqMac)". So as a quick test I fired up Sqeezelite with: Code: Squeezelite -o "MacBook Pro Speakers (eqMac)" The equaliser works properly. So I feel confident that Squeezeplay can be configured the same way. Just need to work my way through the steps described in the first post. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96328 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Mac OSX
ralphy wrote: > How to these EQs provide audio shaping? > > Squeezeplay uses the default core audio device. However if you change > the device while SP is running you need to restart SP before the new > device is used. > > The 1st post of this thread suggests how to change the default device SP > uses. The instructions are dated and may not work with the MacOS 12.x. > I use automator to start SP but I still using 10.x Thanks Ralphy - I'll give those suggestions a try. I didn't think to look for other output devices. Or to re-read the first post! I have no idea how the equalisers work - in both cases I just select 'MacBook Pro Speakers' as the output to which I wish to apply the shaping. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96328 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Mac OSX
Pascal Hibon wrote: > I downloaded it from the internet and then double clicked the img file > in the downloads folder (in Finder). That opens opens a window with a > Squeezebox icon. > When I double click that item, that's where I get the error message. > > From my very limited experience with MacOS, I believe that the above > should install the software but given the fact that I get an error > message I'm not sure if there is anything installed at that time. No - that doesn't install it. You need to drag it to the Applications folder. You'll find that some .dmg files include a shortcut to the applications folder, which makes this slightly easier. But just open another finder window, or go to View -> Show Toolbar, which will give you a side panel with various options. You should find 'Applications' in the list of Favourites chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96328 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Mac OSX
Pascal Hibon wrote: > I tried installing SqueezePlay on a Mac M1 as well but it doesn't work. > I get the message "SqueezePlay is damaged and can't be opened. You > should eject the disk image". > > I the tried to use the command "xattr -cr /Applications/SqueezePlay.app" > and I get this reply: "No such file: /Applications/SqueezePlay.app". > > What am I doing wrong? (be gentle, this is my very first Mac > computer...) Have you dragged the Squeezeplay app to your Applications folder, or were you running it from the mounted .dmg file? The above command will only work if you've dragged it to the applications folder. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96328 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] SqueezePlay for Mac OSX
I've just installed Squeezeplay on a new M1 Mac - did the xattr fix and I'm up and running. With one of the QVGA skins it's a great compact little player and/or controller to leave in a corner of the desktop. My Mac is a 16" Macbook, and it has surprisingly good built-in speakers, so I'll likely use Squeezeplay as my desktop player while working. As with all my audio sources, I like to tune the sound to my preference, so I've found some software equalisers (eqMac, Airfoil) that can tune the output of the built-in 'MacBook Pro Speakers'. They work nicely with, say, the macOS Spotify app, but they don't have any effect on the output from Squeezeplay. I expect that's because Squeezeplay uses a different output method to other apps. Is there perhaps a way to route Squeezeplay's output so that these software equalisers will work? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96328 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Remote key not working
I'm not sure if this chap ever made his replacement PCBs available, or whether he has any left, but this video is worth a watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fZ9gjYHB8M chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115905 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Lms
I ordered a couple of Raspiaudio Muse Proto boards from Amazon.de because Amazon.co.uk didn't list any stock. They're due to arrive on Monday, having started their journey in or near Barcelona. They're now undergoing customs clearance in Mouscron in Belgium. I have no idea whether I'll have any extra to pay. Shipping was only 4 Euro for the two. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=115782 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Logitech is done making Harmony remotes
Another vote for the One-For-All remotes. I've never owned or used a Harmony, so I don't know what I'm missing, but I have a couple of One-For-All 8's which work very well. They have a learning function, and the JP1 software allows me to backup/clone/restore a fully configured remote very quickly. And they're 'disposably' cheap - 'currently £9 on Amazon' (https://www.amazon.co.uk/One-All-Contour-Universal-URC1210-Black/dp/B01K1DQ2D4). chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114352 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
I've just sat down to put some music on, and I noticed that the volume setting for all my players are much lower than they were when I switched them off - some at zero. A snippet from the log file is attached. It looks to me as though the volumes were all normal at 22:13:58.5485 yesterday evening, but 6 seconds later they all got set to lower values, apparently by iPeng. The messages that make me suspect iPeng are of the sort: Code: [21-03-30 22:14:04.9091] Slim::Control::Request::dump (2339) Request: Command [7c:9e:bd:28:42:24->mixer volume] from JSONRPC (Dispatchable) [21-03-30 22:14:04.9095] Slim::Control::Request::dump (2343)Param: [_newvalue] = [-1] [21-03-30 22:14:04.9099] Slim::Control::Request::dump (2343)Param: [_p3] = [ipeng:1] [21-03-30 22:14:04.9112] Slim::Control::Request::notifyFromArray (842) (prefset server volume 0) [21-03-30 22:14:04.9122] Slim::Control::Request::dump (2339) Request: Command [7c:9e:bd:28:42:24->mixer volume] from JSONRPC (Done) [21-03-30 22:14:04.9127] Slim::Control::Request::dump (2343)Param: [_newvalue] = [-1] [21-03-30 22:14:04.9130] Slim::Control::Request::dump (2343)Param: [_p3] = [ipeng:1] Am I reading that correctly - does 'Param: [_p3] = [ipeng:1]' mean that the preceding mixer volume command was issued by ipeng? Again, I was not interacting with iPeng at all at that time. +---+ |Filename: volume change server 2.log.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34027| +---+ chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
the_arm wrote: > Was your log captured by using player.sync at debug like you mentioned > earlier in the thread? > I currently have seven logs set to Debug: control.command control.queries control.stdio player.streaming player.streaming.direct player.streaming.remote player.sync I'm not sure which one captured the 'Request: Command [7c:9e:bd:28:42:24->mixer volume] from JSONRPC (Dispatchable)' message - I'm guessing it was control.command. I'm by no means sure that iPeng is implicated, and the last thing I want to do is point a finger without justification. It's possible, for instance, that the commands I think I'm seeing are actually LMS updating iPeng in response to a volume change that was triggered some other way. That's why I'd be really keen for someone with more idea about what the logs show to take a look at my log file. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
pputzer wrote: > I haven't looked at the log file, but it is not unthinkable that iPeng > is involved. I've recently reported 'strange volume changes in > conjunction with iPeng' > (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?51929-iPeng-support-thread/page816). > Apparently, iPeng is compiled as a music app, which means it has some > special privileges on iOS (resulting, ahem, emergent and non-intuitive > interactions with the system). I think I've seen the kind of interactions that you mentioned in that thread. But I think this is different because I was not actively using iPeng (or my phone) at the time. I'm not certain that iPeng is implicated - that's just my inexperienced interpretation of the log file. slartibartfast wrote: > I see volumes suddenly falling to zero and I don't use iPeng. > I've seen two types of behaviour that I assumed were related, but maybe they're not after all. The first was the volume on one player being set to zero at start up, and the other is volume reductions during playback. My logfile above is for the latter case. Have you seen player volume dropping to zero during playback, or was it already at zero when you started playback (making it the former case)? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
I'd appreciate the opinion of anyone who has experience with log files. I just had the spontaneous volume reduction happen again, this time while streaming Greatest Hits Radio on a Group Player that combines two Booms, a DAC32 and a pCP. I've trimmed the attached log file down to the 10 minutes or so from when the Group Player was turned on before the volume changed, plus a short period afterwards. I'm no expert, so does this look to anyone else as though the mixer volume change request was initiated by iPeng at [21-03-29 18:24:00.4061]? That would be odd if so, because my phone was lying untouched on the table. I don't recall exactly when was the last time I had iPeng in the foreground, but it was definitely before I turned the Group Player on at around 18:13:51. +---+ |Filename: volume change server.log.zip | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=33996| +---+ chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
I just had it happen again - my kitchen Boom was (soft) powered off, and when I turned it on it came on with zero volume. The volume of the other players wasn't affected though - so it seems like a different variant of the problem. As far as I can tell from the server log, the kitchen Boom simply came on with [mixer volume] = [0]. I would not have turned it off in that state. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
philchillbill wrote: > > p.s. Where's the denial that you would ever, ever listen to anything by > Justin Bieber? :rolleyes: Haha - I assumed it didn't need saying. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
d6jg wrote: > > My sync was via a Group Player. I don't currently have a group player set up, so that's another thing to cross off the list of possible causes. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
d6jg wrote: > I clicked pause, I clicked play, I powered my amp off and on and did a > fair bit more head scratching before I noticed 0% I did the same. I know to look out for it now, but it was puzzling the first time it happened. philchillbill wrote: > At the times of the volume dips, are you by any chance listening to > Justin Biebers new single Alexa, turn the volume down baby? [emoji23] I think you've nailed it! Out of interest, does Alexa respond in that sort of situation? I know there'd be feedback if she did, so I know she's not the cause of this volume issue. But on my iPhone for instance, I'm unable to play a video that includes me saying 'Hey Siri', because Siri will immediately interrupt the video and try and do whatever she heard in the video. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
the_arm wrote: > I'm happy to do the same - any advice on what I should enable to capture > the info? I've also enabled Debug logging for the three 'control.' logs, and the three 'player.streaming' logs. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
d6jg wrote: > I asked about other players as I have seen it when using a upnp player > and switching back to a Pi Ah, ok - I don't have any upnp players. My two pCPs both have the latest Squeezelite which I believe was released to fix an issue with inverted audio and the new balance control. I'm using neither of those options, and I believe my volume problem pre-dates that new version of Squeezelite. For completeness, neither of the Pis is actually audible, since I've temporarily switched inputs on my main amp to use the DAC32, and the other one plays through the TV only if I'm on the right channel. But both instances of Squeezelite are 'on' and synced. Wracking my brain for other 'new' things that might be responsible. I'm loathe to fling any more wild accusations around, as I may have done with the DAC32 (given that @the_arm doesn't have one)! I've had an Echo dot running philchillbill's Alexa skills for a while now, but the problem started quite a long time after I first started using that. And I'm pretty sure I haven't been inadvertently operating the volume buttons on my iPhone that has iPeng running in the background (and I've been using iPeng for so long that this new problem is not likely to have anything to do with it). chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
the_arm wrote: > I'm happy to do the same - any advice on what I should enable to capture > the info? Not really! There are a lot of logging options, and I have no idea which ones would show a volume change. I've set player.sync to Debug. I'll keep looking. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
chill wrote: > That's exactly what I'm experiencing too. > Actually that's not true - I have noticed it once or twice during playback. I wasn't anywhere near any of the controls, and the volume just reduced without me doing anything. I assumed the radio station had accidentally turned the playback volume down. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
the_arm wrote: > It's never happened to me during playback but it just seems that > randomly I'll come back to the group, hit play, and two players "work" > and the touch is at zero volume. > That's exactly what I'm experiencing too. I do also have three Jogglers around the house running Jivelite. The screensaver I'm running causes occasional crashes on a couple of them, but that was happening for a long time before the volume changes started happening. I'll enable some server logging to see if there are any clues the next time it happens. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
Two Booms and two pCPs. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Spontaneous volume reduction
For a week or two now I've been experiencing my synced players spontaneously going quiet without me apparently doing anything. I can't put my finger on what's causing it. I have a niggling feeling it's something to do with the DAC32, because it's part of the sync group that's experiencing the volume reductions, and whenever it happens I see that the DAC32's volume has reduced to zero, while other players that may have been louder to start with still have a non-zero volume. It could also be related to the fact that I started listening to Greatest Hits radio more frequently. Or it could have been an LMS update (currently on Logitech Media Server Version: 8.2.0 - 1614413430). I've checked the obvious things that I can think of - I'm not using any volume adjustment, and the synced players don't have synced volume. So I'll obviously have to do some trouble-shooting, but I wondered whether anyone else was experiencing similar. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114230 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Spotify to offer Lossless Streaming
pablolie wrote:
>
> 320k is awesome sound quality.
I agree with all of this, and I shall be resisting the temptation to
fork out more each month for lossless streaming. I suspect Spotify know
all this too, and have previously resisted the move to lossless not
because of the technical challenges, but because it's not necessary.
But like perfectly rational speaker manufacturers having to add an extra
pair of terminals ('buy wiring'), it's one of those things that people
expect, so to maintain market share they have to offer it.
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Re: [slim] Balance
I'd be really pleased to see a balance control in LMS. It makes as much sense to me to have control over the source as it does to have control in the amplifier. Squeezebox players don't always go through a traditional full featured hifi amp. I can imagine using this with a stereo pair of Booms, to adjust the apparent separation, or in my camper van, where speaker geometry is fixed and there are no hardware adjustments. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=114010 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings
bpa wrote: > They route the +5v on the outside the signal cable - perhaps it is > broken ? But it works on the Macbook. I wonder if different chipsets handle the link negotiation differently. Maybe the Pi uses only a fixed data rate, whereas the Macbook might do some sort of adaptive rate? Is that possible? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113997 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings
Greg Erskine wrote: > How can a couple of connectors with a few wires between them not work? Maybe the ultra-clean, perfectly-timed data bits are just too much for the Raspberry pi to cope with :) chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113997 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings
scslite wrote: > I'll try to test as suggested by LifePO4 and report back later. The > fact that the cable works perfectly when plugged into my MBA means > there's some signal that's not on the RPi USB that Squeezlite is not > recognizing the Qutest. > > Another thought is does the Qobuz plugin require Squeezlite or is it a > more native integration? I'm wondering if Qobuz will work if > Squeezelite is bypassed? > > Also have sent my issue to Curious just waiting to hear back. > > Thanks for all the suggestions. Not giving up yet. I don't think this has anything to do with Squeezelite. The Pi isn't enabling the Qutest with this cable. Did Squeezelite work with the generic cable? I would send Curious the two log file snippets that I posted above. I would hope that they'll stand by their product and send you a replacement. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113997 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Need Help with a Curious USB A to B Cable with Squeezeite Settings
scslite wrote: > Logs attached. Also tried to make sure pins have good contact. >From the generic cable: Code: [1.131641] usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd\ [1.314285] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=2109, idProduct=3431, bcdDevice= 4.21\ [1.314293] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, SerialNumber=0\ [1.314300] usb 1-1: Product: USB2.0 Hub\ [1.315758] hub 1-1:1.0: USB hub found\ [1.316011] hub 1-1:1.0: 4 ports detected\ [1.641619] usb 1-1.4: new high-speed USB device number 3 using xhci_hcd\ [1.772399] usb 1-1.4: New USB device found, idVendor=245f, idProduct=0815, bcdDevice= 1.97\ [1.772406] usb 1-1.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3\ [1.772413] usb 1-1.4: Product: Qutest\ [1.772420] usb 1-1.4: Manufacturer: Chord Electronics Ltd\ [1.772426] usb 1-1.4: SerialNumber: 413-001\ >From the Curious cable: Code: [1.141638] usb 1-1: new high-speed USB device number 2 using xhci_hcd\ [1.324076] usb 1-1: New USB device found, idVendor=2109, idProduct=3431, bcdDevice= 4.21\ [1.324084] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=0, Product=1, SerialNumber=0\ [1.324091] usb 1-1: Product: USB2.0 Hub\ [1.330887] hub 1-1:1.0: USB hub found\ [1.331135] hub 1-1:1.0: 4 ports detected\ [2.462149] usb 1-1-port4: Cannot enable. *Maybe the USB cable is bad?*\ chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113997 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Boom Radio
I haven't seen any other metadata with that stream. I haven't looked for another stream with metadata - I just use Shazam if I really want to know what track is playing! chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Boom Radio
Redrum wrote: > I'm curious now! Can you supply a url for me to try it? I searched via > tune in, and think I found it, but it doesn't seem to want to play. > Perhaps it's because I am in the US. > > Jim This is working for me. 192kbps CBR MP3 http://195.154.217.103:8117 chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Boom Radio
Heuer wrote: > > Mi Amigo (Emperor Rosko, no adverts, internet and short wave, community > owned out of Germany) > I'm quite enjoying this station - a good selection of music and not too many gaps. Mind you, Emperor Rosko has just reminded me that Valentine's Day is approaching. Hardly seems like a week since the last one. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help needed: Transporter no longer connects to Wi-Fi
JoeMuc2009 wrote: > I forgot to mention that I checked a new PSU already, to no avail. > Haha - I'll admit I did think it was odd that you, of all people, had not considered this! Evidently you had. Good luck! chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113979 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Help needed: Transporter no longer connects to Wi-Fi
Hi Joe - I don't have a Transporter, but is it possible that this is caused by a failing 5v power supply? Apparently it's a common failure point. Could it be becoming 'noisy'? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113979 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Boom Radio
Redrum wrote: > > > https://stlouisclassicrock.com/ > > There are some "programs" and a few announcements, but in general zero > commercials or interruptions. Pretty good quality streams. I have been > spinning them a bit, they all have different characteristics (e.g. > crestwood is more softer california rock) > Great stuff, thank you. I'll get the URLs and try them out. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Boom Radio
Heuer wrote: > Will add it to Favourites. It is however a crowded field: > > > Greatest Hits Radio (with Simon Mayo on Drivetime from next month, Mark > Goodier, Janice Long, Alex Lester and Paul Gambaccini) - the new Radio 2 > without the 'Hen Party' > United DJ's > Mi Amigo (Emperor Rosko, no adverts, internet and short wave, community > owned out of Germany) > All Oldies Radio > Offshore Music Radio > The Radio Ship > > All 192Kbps streams Some there to investigate, thank you. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Boom Radio
Paul Webster wrote: > > Plus adverts ... too many for me Indeed - the problem with most radio stations. I much prefer to let DSTM do its thing via Spotify, based on a few seed tracks. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Boom Radio
...and a 192kbps AAC stream: http://listen-boomradio.sharp-stream.com/65_boom_radio_live_192 chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Boom Radio
No, not some weird mashup of Logitech products, but a 'new radio station' (https://www.boomradiouk.com/) in the UK aimed at the boomer generation. Launched yesterday. Plenty of DJs that boomers will remember from their youth - David Hamilton, Nicky Horne, Graham Dene, Les Ross There's a 128kbps MP3 stream at https://listen-boomradio.sharp-stream.com/65_boom_radio_live_128 chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113942 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB and Low Volume on Klipsch Promedia Setup
In the past I've made the mistake of assuming that more power equals more gain. I'm no expert, but my understanding is that although more power would be needed to drive an amplifier that has more gain, for an amplifier that has a certain gain, more power simply allows for less distortion. Too little power for an amplifier with a given gain will lead to distortion. So if you're hearing clean, undistorted sound but at a low volume, I doubt that would be because of the power supply. It points more to the input signal being too low (which is what the output caps thread is about). I'm happy to be corrected by those with more knowledge. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113854 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ClassicAMP
philippe_44 wrote: > Yes, I forgot to mention, there will be a coaxial, I think the > difference with the optical is very minimum. I agree - I was just curious whether that hole could be used for something else, e.g. to switch the cinch connectors to line-level :) philippe_44 wrote: > My plan was to let line-level output through the 3.5mm jack Ah yes, of course. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113818 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ClassicAMP
This is interesting. I don't have a faulty SB3, nor a need for yet another Squeezebox, but I'm tempted to sign up anyway! A couple of thoughts: 1) Are you planning to add a coaxial digital output to SqueezeAMP, or will that particular hole in the back casing be left vacant? 2) Would it be possible to have an option, either through a jumper or a switch on the PCB or through a software setting, to choose between speaker output and line-level output for the cinch connectors? Are line-level signals available somewhere on the SqueezeAMP PCB already? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113818 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
Solved it - I downloaded the wget extension from the piCore repository, and now I can use the cookies.txt file that I exported from Firefox with the 'export cookies' plug-in. Thanks for the pointer! chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
erland wrote: > You might want to check this post and see how that community member have > done it: > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?113592-Custom-Clock-Helper-applet-missing-after-factory-reset=1006711=1#post1006711 Thanks Erland - the 'wget + cookies' approach seems promising. I've had a quick go at doing this, but no success so far, so I'll see if @L0O can help me out. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
I've added a couple more to my own personal list of scrolling images: Code: #space station wget "https://www.heavens-above.com/orbitdisplay.aspx?icon=default=1024=1024=25544; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/SpaceStation.bmp #sky chart wget "https://www.heavens-above.com/wholeskychart.ashx?lat=53=-1=1024; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/SkyChart.bmp Current Space Station position: [image: https://www.heavens-above.com/orbitdisplay.aspx?icon=default=1024=1024=25544] Sky chart above my approx. Lat and Lon: [image: https://www.heavens-above.com/wholeskychart.ashx?lat=53=-1=1024] chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
Hmm - I'm going to give up on die.net for now. I figured out how to use mysqueezebox.com's image proxy (I think), and managed to fetch one of the other images via the proxy. Code: wget "http://www.mysqueezebox.com/public/imageproxy?u=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.sat24.com%2Fmostrecent%2FGB%2Frain; -O test.bmp Connecting to www.mysqueezebox.com (34.244.111.131:80) saving to 'test.bmp' test.bmp 100% |*| 1024k 0:00:00 ETA 'test.bmp' saved But when I try the die.net images I get a 22 byte file that just contains the text "Cached image not found". Code: wget "http://www.mysqueezebox.com/public/imageproxy?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.die.net%2Fearth%2Fmercator%2F1128.jpg; -O test.bmp Connecting to www.mysqueezebox.com (34.244.111.131:80) saving to 'test.bmp' test.bmp 100% |*| 22 0:00:00 ETA 'test.bmp' saved Up till now I've been using Chrome, but I tried the plain image URL (https://static.die.net/earth/rectangular/1280.jpg) in Safari, and the first time I tried it I briefly saw a page that indicated that my browser was being vetted by Cloudfare, then the image loaded. Subsequent requests simply go straight to the image. So it does appear that they'd rather you viewed their images in a browser, instead of fetching them with wget. And I'm not about to pit my meagre skills against the might of Cloudfare's security expertise! chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
Thanks Erland, that gives me something to go on. I'll certainly be interested to see how to use the mysqueezebox.com image proxy. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
erland wrote: > In the Daylight Clock applet I used images from die.net: > https://www.die.net/earth/ > There is a number off different projections available and also one for > moon phase: https://www.die.net/moon/ > Hi Erland - do you have any tips for fetching a plain image from die.net? If I paste, for instance, 'https://static.die.net/earth/rectangular/1280.jpg' into a browser search bar I get a plain image displayed (1280 pixels across). But if I try to fetch it with wget then it fails: Code: tc@pCPTV:~/ScreenSaverImages$ wget "https://static.die.net/earth/rectangular/1280.jpg; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/WorldSunlight.jpg Connecting to static.die.net (104.26.1.94:443) wget: server returned error: HTTP/1.1 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable I'm guessing that's because the service that renders the image is intended to respond only to browsers. I tried adding a user agent to the command - same result. I tried curl, and received a file of html that looks like the code that renders the image. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
rkrug wrote: > in which folder do you put the script so that it survives reboots? > Anything in /home/tc (and below) will survive a reboot, provided you do a backup first (pcp bu). chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
erland wrote: > In the Daylight Clock applet I used images from die.net: > https://www.die.net/earth/ > There is a number off different projections available and also one for > moon phase: https://www.die.net/moon/ > > Daylight Clock applet no longer works since die.net switched to use > https. Perfect, thank you. https isn't a problem for pCP, so fetching the images via a script outside of Jivelite seems to work ok. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
chill wrote: > Fortunately, which is key to this, the Image Viewer screensaver seems to > re-read the directory and re-load each image file whenever it updates, > so I can add images to that folder, or update existing images, and the > screensaver always cycles through the current images. Correction: The directory is only re-read whenever the screensaver kicks in. So completely new images don't show up until that happens. But -updated- images, i.e. a new image with the same name as an existing image, will be re-loaded while the screensaver cycles through it's directory list. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Jivelite geo/weather maps screensaver
I had occasionally thought about trying to write a dedicated screensaver to show various real-time geo/weather maps, maybe a bit like a 'Geochron' (https://geochron.co.uk/) display. But then I saw how '@sodface was using the built-in Image Viewer screensaver' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111488-Jivelite-on-Alpine-Linux=1001020=1#post1001020), and realised I didn't need to reinvent the wheel. So since this is now rather off-topic for @sodface's Alpine Linux thread, I thought I'd post an example here, just as a heads-up in case, like me, you hadn't realised that the image viewer can be used this way. In my case, I am using a script on a pCP setup to fetch a number of images from various internet sites and store them in a local folder called 'home/tc/ScreenSaverImages'. I then call this script every 15 minutes using a cron job. I have configured the Image Viewer screensaver to use local storage, and to look in that folder. Fortunately, which is key to this, the Image Viewer screensaver seems to re-read the directory and re-load each image file whenever it updates, so I can add images to that folder, or update existing images, and the screensaver always cycles through the current images. My script also pushes this folder to a couple of Jogglers which are set up to use the Image Viewer screensaver. I started off trying to use some of the nice images provided by Fourmilab, but the server eventually locks me out even if I only fetch one image every 15 minutes, and only during the hours when I'm likely to want to see the images - it seems -very- determined to stop the server being overwhelmed - so I've stopped using that source. I now collect a variety of images from other sources, and am on the lookout for other sources, so please go ahead and post anything you think might be interesting. My current 'GetScreenSaverImages.sh' script is as follows: Code: #UK Rain wget "https://api.sat24.com/mostrecent/GB/rain; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/UKRain.bmp #UK Snow wget "https://api.sat24.com/mostrecent/GB/snow; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/UKSnow.bmp # UK Sun & Clouds wget "https://api.sat24.com/mostrecent/GB/visual5hdcomplete; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/UKSunClouds.bmp # UK Infrared wget "https://api.sat24.com/mostrecent/GB/infrapolair; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/UKInfraRed.bmp #https://api.sat24.com/crop?type=visual5hdcomplete=55.9533=-3.1883=800=800=0.30=eu #Moon visibility wget "https://www.timeanddate.com/scripts/sunmap.php?obj=moon; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/moonlight.bmp #Day and Night wget "https://www.timeanddate.com/scripts/sunmap.php?earth=1; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/DayNight.bmp #Images available from Fourmilab. Server locks you out if you take images regularly, so no longer used #wget "https://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Earth?img=cloudy.bmp=y=-p=0; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/CloudyEarth.bmp #wget "https://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Earth?img=NASAmMM-l.evif=y=-p=0; -O /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/NASADayNight.bmp # Push images to Jogglers rsync -avhiO --delete /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/ root@192.168.1.21:/root/ScreenSaverImages/ rsync -avhiO --delete /home/tc/ScreenSaverImages/ root@192.168.1.22:/root/ScreenSaverImages/ With a bit of luck, the images below should be the current versions of the above images. If you're not from the UK, the images from sat24 can be configured to show other regions (Europe only I think). UK Rain [image: https://api.sat24.com/mostrecent/GB/rain] UK Snow [image: https://api.sat24.com/mostrecent/GB/snow] UK Sun & Clouds (visible, i.e. doesn't show anything after dark) [image: https://api.sat24.com/mostrecent/GB/visual5hdcomplete] UK Infrared [image: https://api.sat24.com/mostrecent/GB/infrapolair] Moon visibility [image: https://www.timeanddate.com/scripts/sunmap.php?obj=moon] Day and Night [image: https://www.timeanddate.com/scripts/sunmap.php?earth=1] chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113732 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Writing Playlists to thumb drives for vehicle use
Some time ago I had a similar requirement. My music library consists of mostly whole album FLACs with separate CUE sheets, but with a number of lossy tracks in different formats as well. I wanted a way to convert every single track in a playlist into MP3 format for use in my car, so I wrote a script (see below) that runs on my pCP server. It's very much tuned to my particular library, so the cases it handles are very specific: Lossless input (album FLAC or track FLAC) will always be encoded to MP3 (using sox and lame) MP3 input will always be copied without transcoding Other lossy input (OGG, M4A) will be copied without transcoding, unless the -t option is used, in which case they will be transcoded to MP3 (using sox or faad, and lame). Title, Artist and Album tags are written to the output files, together with a Comment tag that documents the origin of the file. I used my script on a few playlists and it's handled everything I've given it, but it probably would not take much to break it. It might be a useful starting point if you want to adapt something to your own library though. It looks like my post becomes too long if I try to include the script code here, but I'll be happy to post it separately if you think it might be useful. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=112484 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Good news: ongoing production of Boom, Classic, and Transporter displays
Hi Joe I've read your blog posts on the main VFD replacement and the diode fix, and must say that they are very nicely written - clear, detailed, and well illustrated. I have quite a collection of Booms and I expect to take on one or other of these jobs in the near future. As a point of interest though, can you explain a detail that I don't quite understand? You have explained that the variable voltage on the right side is intended as a way to control the display brightness, but you also say that it remains possible to vary the brightness even after your diode fix, which I understand creates a fixed voltage drop. Do you know how the brightness remains variable even with this constant voltage drop? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=107535 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Audio Pro Outlet sale
At the risk of looking like a shill for Audio Pro, I thought I'd pass on that they're opening the Outlet again on April 29th at 8AM CET. https://outlet.audiopro.com/ I've no idea what sort of discounts will be available this time, but the 50% discount the last time was worth having. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111889 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Audio Pro Outlet sale
My new C3 arrived today - box perfect despite being from the 'outlet'. I already had one, but I noticed today that the phone app that's used to set them up has a feature that lets you configure the channel output for each speaker. By default it's set to 'L+R', but I've set them up as one 'L' and the other 'R'. The sync via Philippe's Airplay bridge is perfect, both with other LMS players and with each other, so they make a very nice stereo pair. The tone is configurable too, and they do sound rather nice - not -quite- as sweet as a Squeezebox Boom, but pretty good. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111889 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Audio Pro Outlet sale
Hmm - looks like they're being a bit sneaky with the stock levels. They've been going up and down ever since I posted, so I think they're keeping them low to create a sense of urgency, then adding a few more whenever needed. But the price is still good. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111889 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Audio Pro Outlet sale
A quick heads-up - until the end of the day Audio Pro are offering outlet prices of 50% off, with free shipping. Their 'Add On C3' is a cracking Boom replacement (battery powered too), and the outlet price of GBP125 is a great deal. https://outlet.audiopro.com/ At the time of writing they have a few left, but they are selling fast. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111889 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Respecting the heritage!
When trying out Philippe's latest SqueezeAMP updates to support a display I was struck by the urge for a Family Portrait! So here's Grandpa Slim, two of his grandchildren from different branches of the family, and cousin Joggler :-) It's amazing how well they all get on. In another family, gramps might well have ended up in a 'legacy' home. ;) [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Family%20Portrait_1024.jpg] chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sonos dropping support for older equipment
castalla wrote: > > The Sonos forum and community is a strange and often unwelcoming > phenomenon! There is a substantial number of 'fanboys' who will attack > anyone who has even constructive criticism to offer. A gentle hint I > made yesterday about 'other ways to use Sonos devices' was promptly put > down as 'nonsense' by one of these characters. > Well done for spreading the word in such an environment. I saw your post demonstrating the integration of your Sonos Beam, and as others have noted, this could be a good time to pick up 'legacy' Sonos speakers for use with LMS. Can you comment on your experience using Sonos devices with upnp/dlna - any drawbacks compared to other devices/plugins (e.g. synchronisation)? I was also interested in picking up one of the so-called 'bricked' legacy devices (i.e. one that's been disabled as part of the 'trade-up' programme) - I thought it could make a good basis for a SqueezeAMP conversion. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111534 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] It all started here .... and it still works!
castalla wrote: > One factor which 'worries' me a bit is whether the squeezebox community > will start to demonstrate demographic creep as time passes! (Include me > in that!) > > I wonder what the average age is of users these days? Who are you calling a demographic creep! I'm doing my best in this respect - my kids know how much of a Squeezebox fan I am, and every time they come home for a visit I have some new aspect to show off (Jivelite on the TV, Airplay to the whole house, Spotify connect etc), so I'm hoping that when they settle into their own homes they'll ask me to set up a Squeezebox system. But I don't think hifi is the priority for them that it was for me at their age. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111285 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Compatible WLAN cards for SB3, Boom, Reciever & Transporter
That's a shame. Is it worth doing a factory reset after fitting one of these cards? http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Special_IR_Keys_on_Reboot_for_Factory_Reset_and_Last_FW chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95513 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Sticky Surface on Remote Controls And The Rear Of A Touch
I haven't experienced this with the remotes, but it's a common problem with the front panel and knob on the Boom. I've had some success over-painting those parts with a matt lacquer rubber paint, so if you can dismantle the remotes sufficiently to isolate the sticky part it might be worth a go. Boom thread here: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?107531-What-to-do-with-a-Boom-with-sticky-front-panel=932897=1#post932897 chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=43 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] 10 years after the Squeezebox Radio...
pablolie wrote: > The Boom sounds *much* better than any of these new things, despite all > the years. I now have a Boom in my Bedroom, one in a separate location, > and a spare one. Great sound. > > As to Sonos... I guess if I hadn't owned SBs, I'd plonked down the > money. But the only Sonos box I'd get is basically like a Squeezebox > Receiver, but at twice the price. Logitech's decision to this day > continues to make no sense :-P I agree with both of these points. The Boom is an awesome little player, with great sound out of the box and scope to tune it to your own taste. And it goes surprisingly loud without distorting. A very clear-sighted design which, as you say, is not matched by any of the current portable speakers. At the time of the Boom's release, everything looked very promising. In contrast I remember being completely underwhelmed by the sound quality from the Radio - a bit muddy out of the box, and no scope to tune the sound. Lovely form factor, but the SQ was quite a surprise after the Boom. An updated Boom with the Jive interface would have been perfect IMO. Since that's not going to happen, I'm also making a bit of a collection of Booms, and have a small stock of foam surrounds to repair the bass drivers as and when necessary, and have experimented quite successfully with eliminating the sticky surfaces by spray painting with matt lacquer rubber paint. I have a friend with a Sonos system, and all I'll say is that the higher cost doesn't guarantee a smoother experience or better sound quality! chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=36 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Respecting the heritage!
philippe_44 wrote: > Put it back in the context ... ...Way better than anything else at > that time I think that sums up Squeezebox for me. At launch it was the first of a kind, and the concept STILL beats anything else out there. I don't know, because I've never been tempted to look, but can you get a Sonos player to hide away behind your domestic amplifier so as to integrate into the hifi you've already spent your money on? Or one with a touch screen interface? Or to run on a cheap-as-chips Raspberry Pi? Or on your phone? Or in perfect sync with an Airplay speaker? Squeezebox is just so versatile. Ok, so you can't buy a Squeezebox that's integrated into an Ikea lamp - whoop-de-do :-) chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Respecting the heritage!
My newly acquired SliMP3 arrived today - what a thing of beauty! [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/SliMP3_640.jpg] I've wanted one of these for a while, so jumped in when this one came up on eBay. It wasn't an instant 'plug and play' addition. It goes to show how things have moved on in what seems like such a short time. - No wireless, so I had to find an ethernet cable and a spare socket in a nearby switch - This thing only plays MP3s, so I had to install Lame on my pCP server (one click!) - The only outputs are single ended RCA/cinch. My amp has been in use for almost a year, and in that time I've never used the analogue inputs - not even tested them till tonight. And they're balanced, so I needed to dig out my adapter cables. Apart from that - plain sailing! Objectively it's not a patch on a pCP RPi with a Joggler screen running Jivelite, but I love it. It's where it all started! chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=24 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Secondhand market
Of course, I should say that in no way do I think that it's the beginning of the end for the Squeezebox ecosystem. Quite the opposite - the server software, the plugins, the supported hardware and the new devices are such that the ecosystem has never been in better shape. I just get the impression that the original hardware's days are numbered. If only Logitech could add LMS support to a few more quality devices (in addition to the other more prosaic connectivity options). chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=07 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Secondhand market
Like many on here I guess, I regularly trawl eBay for used Squeezebox hardware. I'm pretty sure that the number of items for sale has increased quite significantly in recent months. Is it just me? Booms in good condition are still fetching good money, but sad-to-say, most other devices seem to be losing value quite quickly. It makes the BNIB Touch that I bought for emergencies when they went out of production seem like an unwise purchase (especially since I've retired my main Touch in favour of a Raspberry Pi and a Joggler screen)! I've even managed to bag a SLIMP3 today for silly money - I've wanted one of those for a long time, and there seemed to be little competition for this particular one. So is this a golden period for Squeezebox fans looking to stock up, or the beginning of the end for the traditional hardware? Discuss :-) chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=07 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Slim Devices Squeezebox v3 - FREE to good home
What part of the world are you in Rob? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=111006 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
I've extended one of the USB3 ports to the back panel, as well as the ethernet and HDMI ports. Currently I have an SSD connected to that rear panel USB3 extension, but I'm not fixed on keeping it that way. I do also have a 3B+ that runs Jivelite on my TV, as well as handling nightly backups, and I may move the SSD to that machine and share it via Samba. I've also considered running LMS on another device, and swapping out the 4B for a Zero to run just Squeezelite, but I do like the idea of having everything in one box. My target for the amp was always for it to be a fully integrated device. But it's good to have options! chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
Yes, it's a hifi amp - a power amp and my primary music source in one. In a silent room I can hear the fan from about a foot away - no further. If there's music playing at any volume, the fan is inaudible. It's a 5V fan, which I'm running on 3.3V. On 5V it is more audible (and more effective). I think with it set at 68 degrees it's there for emergencies only - a little peace of mind. To be fair, my scenario is quite a harsh test, and even here the fan isn't really needed. I think the main thing it shows is that the 4B is perfectly fine running LMS and Squeezelite with nothing more than a little passive cooling, i.e. a heatsink and some free air. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
I updated my fan control script to keep a log of the amount of time that the fan is 'on', and then went a bit nerdy (nerdier?), and worked out the duty cycle for several different set temperatures. So on a hot summer's day, inside a hot amplifier, my RPi4 4GB running LMS and Squeezelite sits naturally at about 67 to 68 degrees. My little fan running off 3.3V can pull it down to about 52 degrees [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Fan%20Duty_480.jpg] So on the basis that 68 degrees is still some way short of the 80 degrees that causes throttling, and is therefore considered safe (?) by the manufacturers, that's where I've set my fan control. This means that it's not being triggered under normal conditions, but if the load on the Pi increases then it kicks in. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
A quick observation about heatsinks and their connection to the CPU. When I first fitted my 40mm x 40mm heatsink I used some ''thermally conductive tape' (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B075R9RGXF)'. It seemed to work, but I was suspicious because it seems to be about 1mm thick, and internally it seems to have a foam construction. I can't see how that can be good for thermal transmission. So I reaffixed the heatsink using a small blob of 'silicone heatsink compound' (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00YCMR04Q). I wasn't sure it would work in my application, as my RPi is mounted on edge and the heatsink is fairly heavy, and I don't think the compound 'sets'. But it seems to be holding perfectly, and the better thermal contact has had a noticeable effect. With my fan turned on at 12:47, the temperature dropped by about 10 degrees in 4 minutes - that's about twice the drop I recorded when the heatsink was fixed with thermal tape. The non-fan temperature of 61 degrees is also about 3-4 degrees lower than the same test with thermal tape. [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/40mm%20with%20compound_480.jpg] This is the earlier test with the heatsink held on with thermal tape. Identical test conditions - if anything, the ambient temperature is warmer today. [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Pi4%20with%20fan_480.jpg] Perhaps the thermal conductive tape should be renamed 'thermal insulating tape'. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Portable Airplay Speaker
chill wrote: > That depends how much you value sound quality, IMHO :) Sorry - that sounded a bit arrogant. What I should have said is that the Audio Pro sounds better than the SBR in my opinion. Obviously it lacks the Squeezebox-dedicated controls and screen of the SBR. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Portable Airplay Speaker
d6jg wrote: > Food for thought. > I could use my SB Radio or get that or a second Radio I suppose That depends how much you value sound quality, IMHO :) chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Portable Airplay Speaker
Not sure where you'd draw the line between 'cheap' and 'not cheap', but the 'Audio Pro C3' (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audio-Pro-Addon-C3-Multi-Room/dp/B07CX4GQ39) is a nice unit. It has a really nice sound, with an app that lets you adjust bass and treble. I leave mine plugged in as a bedroom player most of the time, which means the battery is always fully charged when I need to use it outside, and it's always available as Squeezebox player. Works well with Philippe's plugin, with no need to adjust for any time lag. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110899 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
I was interested to see how to control a simple fan in software. To date my RPi4 seems to run comfortably cooler than the throttling temperature, but having developed a way to mount a fan in my 'stack' inside my amplifier, I was keen to see if I could leave it permanently connected but only have it running when needed. My simple 2-wire fan draws about 45mA on 3.3V, which is too much to drive directly from a GPIO pin. So I wired up a little transistor to switch the GND side of the fan according to the state of a GPIO pin. I made it so that it simply plugs into the existing fan wiring. [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Transistor%20wiring_480.jpg] [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Transistor%20fan%20control_480.jpg] Then I made a script to turn the fan on and off according to temperature. I set the 'off' temperature one degree below the 'on' temperature to reduce the frequency that it turns on and off. Here's the result from an idling pCP (no LMS, no Squeezelite) in the open air. When running at 3.3V the fan takes about 5 minutes to pull the temperature down from a resting 56 degrees to the 40 degrees that I set. It struggles to get much below that. Running on 5V it cools faster and lower, but it becomes audible. [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Fan%20with%20GPIO%20control_480.jpg] chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] praise
I completely agree about LMS. It's already extremely versatile, and its capabilities continue to grow. Hopefully it has enough critical mass to continue for a long time to come. I wonder if Logitech simply saw the writing on the wall regarding the development of software players, and realised that it would be hard to make money from Squeezebox hardware when in competition with, say, a Raspberry Pi feeding a DAC. 'SqueezeESP/SqueezeAMP' (https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?109838-SqueezeEsp-The-cheaper-squeezebox-in-the-world=947589=1#post947589) is yet further proof. I do admit that it would be nice to be able to buy 'official' Squeezebox hardware still, say a 'Boom 2' for instance. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110879 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
That makes sense. So Shairtunes wasn't the culprit but the victim, and I drew the wrong conclusion from the error messages. Whatever's causing this occasional 37s dropout when players are synced and playing is quite a rare phenomenon in my case. I've had my RPi powered down and back up numerous times today, and haven't had one instance of the dropout problem. But there do seem to be one or two other users with the same issue, dating back to 2014. It seems like the RPi might be a common factor. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
Greg Erskine wrote: > > I wonder, as the CPU is practically doing nothing, it is probably > throttled back to 600MHz most of the time. The periods of increased > speed are so short it is not captured by temperature sampling period. Sorry Greg - I missed this. I'm not so sure about that. You can apparently show the current CPU frequency with: Code: sudo cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq On my RPi4, running pCP (LMS & Squeezelite) I've never seen it show anything but the currently set maximum. So apparently there's a difference, certainly in terms of heat generation, between an idling CPU @1500MHz and one under load at the same frequency. Or maybe that command isn't doing what I think it is - that might explain why I never saw it report a different frequency when I briefly played with the governor settings in the tweaks menu. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
chill wrote: > I'm pretty sure I read another thread where people were having similar > dropouts with synced players, and I think it was from some time ago so > unlikely to be on a Pi4. I'll see if I can dig out that thread. What do you know - that old thread has just come to life again: https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?101372-Skips-while-playing-in-sync It seems like I simply encountered a long-standing issue - nothing to do with my mesh wifi. It's quite possible that where I thought disabling and re-enabling Shairtunes2 solved my problem it might simply have been that that process restarted LMS. Oddly, I don't think I ever actually did that manually. I did reboot pCP, but maybe that's not enough - maybe LMS needs to be restarted after everything's up and running. If it happens again that'll be a simple thing to test. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
The amp got up to operating temperature, and I connected the fan at 14:16. It seems to drop the temperature by ~5 degrees. I'm guessing it's no greater because it's mostly just moving warm air around inside the amplifier, as kidstypike suggested. The fan's not really big enough, nor suitably ducted, to draw in fresh air. I don't think it's worth the effort. [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Pi4%20with%20fan_480.jpg] [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/PI4%20stack_480.jpg] chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
kidstypike wrote: > But you'll need good ventilation into and out of your amp, no good just > blowing hot air onto the Pi4 CPU? That's true, and it has. The baseplate has a grid of mounting holes: [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Enclosure/Base%20plate_480.jpg] And the top plate has ventilation slots right above where I've mounted the RPi: [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Enclosure/Top%20plate_480.jpg] And the front and back plates don't seal against the baseplate. So plenty of ventilation. I've now added the fan to the RPi4 in the amp, and I'm waiting for the amp to warm up to see what effect the fan has. This is more out of curiosity than need, and I've left the fan's power connection accessible so that I can disconnect it easily. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
I made a mount for the fan, to hopefully slot in between my RPi and my button board. [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Printing%20support_480.jpg] [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Fan%20on%20support_480.jpg] Here it's slotted into a mockup, over a 3B+ [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Fan%20in%20stack_480.jpg.jpg] I may have to adjust the standoff heights to make sure nothing clashes. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
kidstypike wrote: > But seriously, 'these' > (https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07TVLTMX3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8=1) > are good. > Agreed. I needed a case for my spare 4B 1GB, so I ordered one of these on the strength of your earlier post. It arrived this morning. I paid £1 more and got the version with an SD card reader and a 3A power supply :-) I ran the same oggenc job that took my amplifier-mounted 4B 4GB up to 57 degrees. [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Oggenc%203.3V%20Fan_480.jpg] Wired for 5V the fan is impressively quiet, but I wired it for 3.3V, and it's effectively inaudible - I can only hear it if I put it close to my ear. Not that I need it, but I'm now toying with the idea of mounting such a fan over my amplifier's 4B, since it's so completely quiet. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
I tried to find an underclocking speed that would make my 4B 4GB perform similarly to my 3B+. It's very difficult to find a test that eliminates all the variables. I settled on a single oggenc job on a 90-minute flac file, as I figured that involved a bit of disk read and write, and a lot of CPU activity. I used the same hard disk on both machines, and I used a USB2 socket on the 4B so as to match the 3B+. On the 3B+ the task took 11m 07s. On the 4B at the standard 1500MHz it took 4m 13s - quite an improvement. I had to underclock the 4B to 600MHz to get that time up to 10m 12s - still 9% faster than the 3B+. The temperature conditions were far from equal, so the only thing I can tell is that underclocking the 4B does lower the temperature, but only by a couple of degrees. The 3B+, sealed inside the official case without a heatsink or fan, got up to 63 degrees during this task. The 4B, mounted inside my amplifier enclosure (powered down, so at room temperature) with a 40mm heatsink and no fan, got up to 57 degrees at 1500MHz, and 55 degrees at 600MHz. So the surprising things for me were: 1) the 4B is very much faster than the 3B+ at this task with their default clock speeds 2) the temperature savings by underclocking the 4B are minimal So I shall be running my 4B at the default 1500MHz, and based on these and earlier tests I'm happy that the conditions inside my amplifier are fairly kind to the 4B. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
Greg Erskine wrote: > Have you had a play with the CPU Governors on the [Tweaks] page? > > By default, pCP uses ondemand. I haven't - didn't even think to look there! Plenty more there to investigate, thank you. I think the 'Powersave' option will do the same as I did when I set 600MHz, but it allows the setting to be made without a reboot. And there's also a separate underclocking option, which evidently slows down a few other settings. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
chill wrote: > Underclocking seems to make remarkably little difference in my setup - > perhaps 3 degrees under load. Actually, LMS isn't really much of a load. So I ran some consecutive oggenc jobs while LMS was rescanning. Whereas this would have taken the temperature into the low 70s, it now peaks at about 67 degrees. So maybe 5ish degrees improvement. Playback to 5 synced players still seems perfect at 600MHz. In my case there's no real benefit in underclocking - the temperature savings are minimal and I wasn't struggling with heat at the default clock speed. But maybe there'd be bigger gains for Pis in a tighter space, or with a smaller heatsink. Worth a try if you're up for some testing. To underclock, edit the config.txt file on the boot partition, and uncomment the #arm_freq= line, e.g: Code: arm_freq=600 chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
Underclocking seems to make remarkably little difference in my setup - perhaps 3 degrees under load. I don't think my setup is completely representative though, because my Pi lives inside my amplifier, where the ambient temperature is higher than normal. So I set it the task of a clear and rescan on my library - when it's doing that I think the temperature caused by the load on the CPU is less affected by the ambient temperature. But I do suspect the results will be slightly different in other people's setups. At the default 1500MHz [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Rescan%20at%201500MHz_480.jpg] Underclocked to 1000MHz [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Rescan%20at%201000MHz_480.jpg] Underclocked to 600MHZ [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/Rescan%20at%20600MHz_480.jpg] The scan times did take longer: 1500MHz: 6:04 1000MHz: 7:10 600MHz : 9:50 The interface still seems very responsive even at 600MHz. My memory isn't good enough to compare properly with how it was with my 3B+ though. And I haven't tried it with music playback yet. I think I'll leave it at 600MHz for a while to see how well it performs. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
There seems to be a fair amount of resistance to using the Pi4 for LMS, based on heat issues, and reports seem to suggest that in an enclosed case with no airflow it can run very hot. I should stress that in my application, with a 40mm heatsink and a bit of convection airflow, running LMS and Sqeezelite and serving various players doesn't cause any heat problems at all. So I was wondering whether anyone has tried underclocking the Pi4 to the point where the temperature is similar to a 3B+. Would the performance running LMS then end up similar to a 3B+ (which of course is more than adequate), or would the new processor, extra ram, USB3 and gigabit ethernet all contribute to an improvement over the 3B+? chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
kidstypike wrote: > Sorry, I don't use any of Phillipe's plugins other than Group Players. > > I assume your problem is with a Pi4? Only reports of the 37 second sync > problem are from those using a Pi4? > > I no longer use my Pi4, because of the heat related problems, I've gone > back to a Pi3B+, no problems with syncing. Oh well. I'm pretty sure I read another thread where people were having similar dropouts with synced players, and I think it was from some time ago so unlikely to be on a Pi4. I'll see if I can dig out that thread. The temperatures on my Pi4 now seem to be fully under control, and I do like the (subtle) speed bump. I should also add that Airplay and Bluetooth sync seem much better since I moved to pCP6 beta and RPi4. It could have been something specific about my previous pCP4/RPi3B+ setup, but I found that I had to regularly tweak the sync delay settings, especially for Bluetooth. That's no longer the case with my Pi4. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
kidstypike wrote: > A little more on this. > > The Boom plays fine on it's own. > > Without using phillipe44's "group players", no matter what combination > of player's I sync the skip problem is there. > > Cured by simply restarting LMS on the Pi4 from the piCorePlayer LMS > page. Just a thought - are you running the 'ShairTunes2 (fork)'? My mesh wifi has been running flawlessly for the last couple of weeks, but last night I had a recurrence of the 37-second dropouts. Rebooting pCP didn't fix it, nor breaking the synchronisation then re-synching, nor restarting every wifi AP. I hadn't changed anything in the wifi setup, but I'd been changing a few things in LMS, and on one occasion pCP booted without being able to start LMS or Squeezelite because I'd removed a mounted disk. I now suspect that the Shairport-helper *might* be the cause of the 37 second dropouts. I noticed that the dropouts coincided with shairport-related messages in the log file (which I stupidly didn't keep), so I disabled Shairport and the dropouts went away. Then I reloaded Shairport, and still no dropouts. If it ever happens again I will try the 'Re-Publish' or 'Wipe' options for the helper. Is it possible that the Shairport helper information can get corrupted under certain circumstances, and that this corrupted information somehow survives a reboot? This could explain why the only way I could recover previously was to re-image my SD card. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
kidstypike wrote: > > The Boom plays fine on it's own. > > Without using phillipe44's "group players", no matter what combination > of player's I sync the skip problem is there. That's the same symptoms I had. And the dropout interval seems common too. kidstypike wrote: > Cured by simply restarting LMS on the Pi4 from the piCorePlayer LMS > page. Didn't work for me - no amount of restarts/reboots made any difference. Bizarrely, changing the SSID of my new wifi fixed it for me. I never did look into the logs, so any further clues as to the cause are now long gone. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
kidstypike wrote: > Dropouts are back, and I've timed them, 36 seconds between dropouts! > :confused: > Apologies if I've missed this in an earlier post of yours, but how are your server and Boom connected - wired or wireless? Is yours a mesh wifi system? Although I haven't had a recurrence of my dropout problem, I have had one or two issues getting devices to connect to my mesh wifi for the first time. My Jogglers in particular caused me some heartache - I couldn't even get them to connect after reloading the disk image. In each case, however, the connection problems have gone away after rebooting the wifi APs. Worth a try. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Pitastic
Jeff07971 wrote: > Chill, > > Actually looks like quite a good fit. > > I think its becoming clear that without "active" cooling a Pi4 working > hard (and not throttling) in a closed case is going to be difficult ! The fit was much more convenient that I expected - it slid in between the two ribbon cable sockets, touching both but without forcing them in any way. I think you're right - any serious continuous load will require active cooling if the aim is to avoid throttling. Fortunately for this discussion, LMS+Squeezelite don't seem to represent a serious continuous load. And I suspect that even if throttling does kick in, Squeezelite would be unaffected and LMS only marginally, if at all. For a bit of fun I logged the CPU temperature on the 4B in my amplifier for a 24 hour period: [image: http://www.cjh.me.uk/MyPhotobucket/cache/DIYHifi/RPi%20Board/pcp_cpu_temp_18JUL_640.jpg] I can see: - the gradual cooling of the amplifier after it was shut down at the end of the previous day. - a brief spike at 2am where the cron script runs to take a backup of the SD card. - a slight rise in temperature just after 10am. I think this could be when the sun hits the amplifier for a short period, and then as the sun moves on the amplifier cools down again. - a very clear warm up just before 6pm, when the amplifier was powered up. During the evening the amplifier variously played Squeezebox music and TV sound, and there's no clear difference in temperature - it just sits at around 65 degrees, which must be dominated by the ambient temperature inside the amplifier. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110690 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
chill wrote: > It's a bit annoying that I've had to disable the 802.11r 'fast roaming' > to allow the wireless Boom to connect. I may have misunderstood how 802.11r works. I'm still getting to grips with all the settings, but even without that option enabled my phone seems to switch over to the nearest AP just as quickly. So I've disabled that option again, for maximum compatibility with older wifi kit, such as Booms. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
kidstypike wrote: > > > The zip file disappears on reboot is that right? > Yep - files in the /home/tc/ folder will only survive a reboot if they are backed up first - either use the 'backup' button on the 'Main' page before rebooting, or 'pcp br' - (b)ackup then (r)eboot - as Ronnie suggested. 'pCP Command Line Interface' (https://www.picoreplayer.org/pcp_cli.shtml) chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
kidstypike wrote: > > > Where/how would I check the pi's current firmware? > Code: sudo ./vl805 The original instructions are 'here' (https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28=243500=1490467#p1490467). chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Player synchronisation problems with new mesh wifi
kidstypike wrote: > I have the update .zip > I have WinSCP > I have Putty. > > Where on the pi do I put the zip file, and how? > > Any help with this? > > Thanks I'm not familiar with the Windows tools*, but you should use WinSCP to put the zip file in your home directory (/home/tc/), then use Putty to SSH into the Pi and issue the following commands from your home directory (which is where Putty should put you after logging in): Code: unzip vl805_update_0137a8.zip chmod a+x vl805 sudo ./vl805 -w vl805_fw_0137a8.bin sudo reboot * I use a Macbook - the tools that work for me are: - FileZilla for moving files back and forth to the Pi. You can get FileZilla for Windows. You could use this instead of WinSCP. - A terminal prompt to open an SSH session. chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110765 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
