Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Gingermagic wrote: > Thanks d6jg, > Is there a way of backoing up the OS that I have, incase I ever want to > go back? You will find the latest version of what you already have on that site so you can reflash it back if you want. Suggest you try squeezeplay os via bootable usb first VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
d6jg wrote: > Most people flash their Jogglers with the Squeezplay OS - > https://birdslikewires.net/squeezeplay-os Thanks d6jg, Is there a way of backoing up the OS that I have, incase I ever want to go back? Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Gingermagic wrote: > My Joggler arrived today, but I still can't register myself in the > Joggler forum. So, you guys are my only source of information. :-) > > The Joggler seems to have OpenPeak on it, and SqueezePlay as one of the > apps on there. > > I like having the clock screen saver, but most of the apps that are > installed are never going to get used. > > Is this how most of you have yours set up? Or do you have a more > 'Squeeze optimised' OS? > > Thanks, > Damian Most people flash their Jogglers with the Squeezplay OS - https://birdslikewires.net/squeezeplay-os VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
My Joggler arrived today, but I still can't register myself in the Joggler forum. So, you guys are my only source of information. :-) The Joggler seems to have OpenPeak on it, and SqueezePlay as one of the apps on there. I like having the clock screen saver, but most of the apps that are installed are never going to get used. Is this how most of you have yours set up? Or do you have a more 'Squeeze optimised' OS? Thanks, Damian Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Paul Webster wrote: > Mine are set to blank the screen when idle - old habit from screen burn > era. Ah. They have a much higher WAF is they display a digital clock though. SWMBO actually likes the clock aspect of them! VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Mine are set to blank the screen when idle - old habit from screen burn era. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Paul Webster wrote: > The one sitting beside me right now is plugged into a Behringer > Xenyx302USB that I picked up cheap. > It is really a mini mixing system and probably too bulky for most > people. > > This one is running the latest Ubuntu build from Roobarb and I have been > having occasional issues with the USB out that required a restart of > JiveLite or even a reboot. > However, it usually runs for hours at a time without problem - and the > glitches are intermittent (maybe once a week). > > I have another one elsewhere that has some B MM-1 USB speakers > attached. > This one has been rock solid with one quirk. On reboot I have to use the > remote for the speaker to bring it out of standby and then relaunch > JiveLite. > Once it is on it is usually left on for a couple of months so this is > not a significant problem. I haven't had any USB DAC issues with my Jogglers but sometimes they do freeze when acting as a digital clock i.e. not playing - once in this mode its a power disconnect / re-connect job to get them back on line. All 4 that I currently have do the same from time to time but its obvious and only takes 15 seconds to fix. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
The one sitting beside me right now is plugged into a Behringer Xenyx302USB that I picked up cheap. It is really a mini mixing system and probably too bulky for most people. This one is running the latest Ubuntu build from Roobarb and I have been having occasional issues with the USB out that required a restart of JiveLite or even a reboot. However, it usually runs for hours at a time without problem - and the glitches are intermittent (maybe once a week). I have another one elsewhere that has some B MM-1 USB speakers attached. This one has been rock solid with one quirk. On reboot I have to use the remote for the speaker to bring it out of standby and then relaunch JiveLite. Once it is on it is usually left on for a couple of months so this is not a significant problem. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Man in a van wrote: > > d6jg wrote: > > Paul is referring to a Joggler that boots from USB. If it has been > > flashed with SqueezeOS and boots from flash then a USB DAC will work > > fine and the settings survive a reboot. > > /QUOTE] > > > > Well, It might be depeneent on which dac is used as I flashed to the > > internal ram (as I posted) > > > > ronnie> > > > I agree that it could be DAC dependent. I don't waste my Dragonfly on > a Joggler as a rule but I knew it works. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
d6jg wrote: > Paul is referring to a Joggler that boots from USB. If it has been > flashed with SqueezeOS and boots from flash then a USB DAC will work > fine and the settings survive a reboot. > /QUOTE] > > Well, It might be depeneent on which dac is used as I flashed to the > internal ram (as I posted) > > ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
d6jg wrote: > Paul is referring to a Joggler that boots from USB. If it has been > flashed with SqueezeOS and boots from flash then a USB DAC will work > fine and the settings survive a reboot. > > I have just tried one of mine with an Audioquest Dragonfly in this mode. > However as I posted before the maximum output is 16/44.1 or perhaps > 16/48 so an HD track from Qobuz at 24/96 only lights up the Dragonfly in > Green! Its still much better than the analogue out though. 32464 +---+ |Filename: IMG_3360.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32464| +---+ VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Man in a van wrote: > Well, this morning I made a fresh (internal) install of Squeezeplay on a > Joggler. > > I connected a North Star Essensio dac (which has a led indicater for the > bit rate > > I encountered the same problem as Paul Webster, referenced here > > https://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=32298#p32298 > > I know I have used this same dac and the Toneboard on the old > Squeezeplay, so I would advice caution in spending a lot of money on a > usb dac to use with the Jggler > > ronnie Paul is referring to a Joggler that boots from USB. If it has been flashed with SqueezeOS and boots from flash then a USB DAC will work fine and the settings survive a reboot. I have just tried one of mine with an Audioquest Dragonfly in this mode. However as I posted before the maximum output is 16/44.1 or perhaps 16/48 so an HD track from Qobuz at 24/96 only lights up the Dragonfly in Green! Its still much better than the analogue out though. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
d6jg wrote: > Not tried my Tone Board with a Joggler but yes if the price includes the > case thats a bargain! Are you ordering one? > > I dont think youd get the most out by of the Tone Board with a Joggler > though. Im pretty sure I read somewhere that the Joggler wont go above > 24/48 but I could be wrong. Well, this morning I made a fresh (internal) install of Squeezeplay on a Joggler. I connected a North Star Essensio dac (which has a led indicater for the bit rate I encountered the same problem as Paul Webster, referenced here https://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=32298#p32298 I know I have used this same dac and the Toneboard on the old Squeezeplay, so I would advice caution in spending a lot of money on a usb dac to use with the Jggler ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Man in a van wrote: > and maybe one of these ? > > https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/surplus-khadas-tone-boards.248986/ > > ronnie I have one of these: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32954994901.html TimT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22971 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Man in a van wrote: > and maybe one of these ? > > https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/surplus-khadas-tone-boards.248986/ > > ronnie Not tried my Tone Board with a Joggler but yes if the price includes the case thats a bargain! Are you ordering one? I dont think youd get the most out by of the Tone Board with a Joggler though. Im pretty sure I read somewhere that the Joggler wont go above 24/48 but I could be wrong. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
d6jg wrote: > Cheap Crap > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EXTERNAL-VIRTUAL-USB-3D-5-1-CHANNELS-STEREO-SOUND-CARD-AUDIO-ADAPTOR-CONVERTER-/392807460055 > > > Better > https://hifimediy.com/product/sabre-dac-uae23/ > > Better Still > https://petertyson.co.uk/audioquest-dragonfly-black and maybe one of these ? https://pinkfishmedia.net/forum/threads/surplus-khadas-tone-boards.248986/ ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
cparker wrote: > Can confirm I had to install LAME as it couldn't play very high quality > mp3 files. I also found the output very noisy into my amp, can you > provide further detail on the USB DAC? > > Thanks Cheap Crap https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EXTERNAL-VIRTUAL-USB-3D-5-1-CHANNELS-STEREO-SOUND-CARD-AUDIO-ADAPTOR-CONVERTER-/392807460055 Better https://hifimediy.com/product/sabre-dac-uae23/ Better Still https://petertyson.co.uk/audioquest-dragonfly-black VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
d6jg wrote: > What are you planning to do with the Joggler? > If you intend to use as a player be aware that the analogue sound isnt > HiFi. Its ok for radio etc but not serious listening. If you want to > upgrade it sonically then an inline USB DAC will boost it significantly. > You dont need anything expensive to achieve a jump up the scale but > because its an old piece of hardware I dont think the Joggler is > capable of delivering more than 16/48kHz to the DAC. Someone will > correct me if Im wrong. > If you go the USB DAC route then a sensible £3 add on is a right angle > USB adapter. Youll see why. Can confirm I had to install LAME as it couldn't play very high quality mp3 files. I also found the output very noisy into my amp, can you provide further detail on the USB DAC? Thanks www.spicefly.com - ** Spicefly SugarCube ** - A hassle free acoustic journey through your music library using MusicIP. Plus the finest MusicIP installation guides, enhanced MIP Interface and SpyGlass MIP the Windows Automated MusicIP Headless Installer. cparker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2083 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Gingermagic wrote: > Ibut I'm not a Linux ninja. Copying and pasting comand line imputs from > websites is about as advanced as I get. Welcome to the club :) ronnie Man in a van's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43627 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
d6jg wrote: > What are you planning to do with the Joggler? > It depends what it's capable of. Minimum requirement is that it's just a nice front end for what plays on either my SLIMP3 or SqueezeBox. Best case scenario would be that it's a great Squeezebox on it's own, and can also be a frontend Kodi box for my houshold Jellyfin/Kodi system. I'm guessing that the best case scenario is too much to expect from such an old device. I can't imagine it being able to play 1080p content, and I'm pretty sure that my server won't be powerful enough to retranscode on the fly. Keeping it simple, and just using it as a Squeezebox contoller, will probably cause me less headaches. I'm fairly geeky, but I'm not a Linux ninja. Copying and pasting comand line imputs from websites is about as advanced as I get. Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Picture of our Kitchen Joggler, in this case playing Radio Paradise, an App in Squeezebox 32433 Squeezebox die Never It does Spotify great through the Spotty App Sorry about the dust, had a word with the help, just waved a Can at me ... +---+ |Filename: 20201205_185202_Resized.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32433| +---+ PHAZBLADE's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67096 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Gingermagic wrote: > I ordered my first Joggler, from eBay, earlier. :-) > > If it lives up to expectations, I may by a few. > > If not, I may go down the raspberry and touch screen route. > > In the mean time, I'm focussing on getting all of out phones working > better with my current slim devices. > > Do you guys tend to use the 'Material UI' thing that has been mentioned, > rather than iPeng (which is the best app I've found previously)? > > Thanks, > Damian What are you planning to do with the Joggler? If you flash it with SqueezeOS - Google Birds Like Wires - it can then be either a now playing / control point for another SB player or a player / controller in its own right. If you intend to use as a player be aware that the analogue sound isnt HiFi. Its ok for radio etc but not serious listening. If you want to upgrade it sonically then an inline USB DAC will boost it significantly. You dont need anything expensive to achieve a jump up the scale but because its an old piece of hardware I dont think the Joggler is capable of delivering more than 16/48kHz to the DAC. Someone will correct me if Im wrong. If you go the USB DAC route then a sensible £3 add on is a right angle USB adapter. Youll see why. VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
If you PM me your email address, I will contact one of the admins there and ask if they can do something for you so that your registration goes through. My guess is that it is such a quiet place the ratio of spam attempts to real requests for new registrations is very high so anti-spam measures are set to block a lot. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Paul Webster wrote: > General Joggler discussions probably better over the the Joggler forum > at https://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/ > You will recognise some of the names from here. Sorry to ask this here, but I don't know where else I can ask. I've just tried to register at https://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/ For some reason I got a message saying that I'd been flagged as a spammer and couldn't register. I tried a few different email addresses, and then got locked out of registering. I don't know why the mistake has happened, but I really want to get onto that forum as well as this one. I can't find a contact email address anywhere, to ask for help. Do any of you know the contact details for an administrator/moderator of the Joggler forum? Thanks, Damian Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
I ordered my first Joggler, from eBay, earlier. :-) If it lives up to expectations, I may by a few. If not, I may go down the raspberry and touch screen route. In the mean time, I'm focussing on getting all of out phones working better with my current slim devices. Do you guys tend to use the 'Material UI' thing that has been mentioned, rather than iPeng (which is the best app I've found previously)? Thanks, Damian Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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General Joggler discussions probably better over the the Joggler forum at https://www.jogglerwiki.com/forum/ You will recognise some of the names from here. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gingermagic wrote: > Sorry for all of the questions. I've gone from not knowing that > somehting exists, to thinking that it's the answer to all of my > problems! :-) I don;t know about Joggler but I think they are end of life and maybe higher maintenance than you want. First detail what are your problems / main needs (e.g. portable or fixed, controller or controller/player, built in speaker... ) and then see if suggestion can be made. Many possible solutions exist but each have pros/cons. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gingermagic wrote: > I'm going insane! :-) > > How did you do that? When I search, I get a load of Panel Tools. When I > elliminate those from the search, there's nothing left. > > Very strange. Your link is working for me, I just don't know how! :-) Just searched for "joggler" and then chose the "computers/tablet" category on LHS to filter results. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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These Joggler's are fascinating me. Do you use them to play the actual music? Or just to control the Squueze devices around the house? And can they play TV/Films? Can you install Kodi, or are they not that powerful? Are they as good as a RasberyPi solution, or inferiour but quicker to set up? Are they comparable with a Squeezebox Touch? Sorry for all of the questions. I've gone from not knowing that somehting exists, to thinking that it's the answer to all of my problems! :-) Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm going insane! :-) How did you do that? When I search, I get a load of Panel Tools. When I elliminate those from the search, there's nothing left. Very strange. Your link is working for me, I just don't know how! :-) Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gingermagic wrote: > I never realised it before, but I want a Joggler! :-) > > I'm in the UK, but NOTHING shows up when I search for Joggler/Jogglers. > > Do they come under a different name, or are they just rare now? > > I feel like I'm in a paralel unverse. They don't seem to exist here! :-) 4-5 at least on thispage https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/58058/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=joggler bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I never realised it before, but I want a Joggler! :-) I'm in the UK, but NOTHING shows up when I search for Joggler/Jogglers. Do they come under a different name, or are they just rare now? I feel like I'm in a paralel unverse. They don't seem to exist here! :-) Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Paul Webster wrote: > To add to bpa's comments ... > it requires a power transformer - so, unlike a tablet, it is not very > mobile. > Joggler was than brand name used by the UK telecoms operator O2. > They were available in O2 shops for around 300GBP at launch ... or free > if you took it instead of a phone upgrade. > This lead to a lot making their way into people's home - but they were > not as successful as hoped so price drops were used to clear the stock. > Think of them as similar to a Squeezebox Touch without optical out but > with an internal speaker. > > As a parting gesture, O2/Openpeak provided a way to unlock the devices > (although the community had already achieved it). > > They became even more similar to the Touch when JiveLite was ported to > it and a replacement operating system (SqueezeOS) was made available. > I use them as both players and controllers. > > I had access to one of the very first in the UK (before the product was > announced) because the company I worked for provided some of the > back-end services that it used. > I took one in exchange for a phone upgrade and bought one or two from O2 > when the price went down a lot. Since then I think I have acquired at > least 10 more and pushed them into homes of family members ... > > Nowadays you can find them on eBay for 15-25GBP and replacing the OS > with SqueezeOS or something else is simply a matter of putting some > software on a USB stick and rebooting. > > Outside UK you might find them but under other names. The devices came > from Openpeak and they sold them to Swisscom and, I think, Cisco in USA > for home energy monitoring (I have one of those as well ... taller box > with 2 internal speakers), Verizon and Avaya (USA) for telephony. A regular visitor to my house aged 5 can operate a Joggler in the spare room - he seems much better at it than my wife is! His choice of music is also infinitely better! He likes Jazz! VB2.4[/B] STORAGE *QNAP TS419P (NFS) [B]Living Room* - Joggler & SB3 -> Onkyo TXNR686 -> Celestion F20s *Office* - Joggler & Pi3 -> Denon RCD N8 -> Celestion F10s *Dining Room* -> SB Boom *Kitchen* -> UE Radio (upgraded to SB Radio) *Bedroom (Bedside)* - Pi Zero+DAC ->ToppingTP21 ->AKG Headphones *Bedroom (TV) & Bathroom* - SB Touch ->Denon AVR ->Mordaunt Short M10s + Pioneer ceiling speakers *Guest Room* - Joggler > Topping Amp -> Wharfedale Modus Cubes Everything controlled by iPeng & Material on iOS d6jg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44051 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Gingermagic wrote: > > - What are 'Jogglers'? I really seared for those, and found nothing! > To add to bpa's comments ... it requires a power transformer - so, unlike a tablet, it is not very mobile. Joggler was than brand name used by the UK telecoms operator O2. They were available in O2 shops for around 300GBP at launch ... or free if you took it instead of a phone upgrade. This lead to a lot making their way into people's home - but they were not as successful as hoped so price drops were used to clear the stock. Think of them as similar to a Squeezebox Touch without optical out but with an internal speaker. As a parting gesture, O2/Openpeak provided a way to unlock the devices (although the community had already achieved it). They became even more similar to the Touch when JiveLite was ported to it and a replacement operating system (SqueezeOS) was made available. I use them as both players and controllers. I had access to one of the very first in the UK (before the product was announced) because the company I worked for provided some of the back-end services that it used. I took one in exchange for a phone upgrade and bought one or two from O2 when the price went down a lot. Since then I think I have acquired at least 10 more and pushed them into homes of family members ... Nowadays you can find them on eBay for 15-25GBP and replacing the OS with SqueezeOS or something else is simply a matter of putting some software on a USB stick and rebooting. Outside UK you might find them but under other names. The devices came from Openpeak and they sold them to Swisscom and, I think, Cisco in USA for home energy monitoring (I have one of those as well ... taller box with 2 internal speakers), Verizon and Avaya (USA) for telephony. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Gingermagic wrote: > > - What is 'SqueezeAMP'? I did look, but couldn't work out of it was > hardware, or software, or what? > Damian Per @bpa post, SqueezeAMP is definitively the hardware part https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111328-ANNOUNCE-the-SqueezeAMP-next-generation-squeezeboxen-amplifier-receiver of the project. If you want the amplifier/BT/SPDIF/analogue and don't need screen, buttons & others, then there is no tinkering. Just putting it in the box (I've been missing boxes for a while, but still working on it), it comes pre-loaded with software (this is a not-for-profit project) The SqueezeESP32 is the software arm of the project that can be used beyond SqueezeAMP, but you don't need to worry about that LMS 7.9 on Pi 3B+ & Odroid-C2 - *SqueezeAMP!*, 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB3. Sonos PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, Foobar2000, ShairPortW, JRiver 21, 2xChromecast Audio, Chromecast v1 and v2, Squeezelite on Pi, Yamaha WX-010, AppleTV 4, Airport Express, GGMM E5, Riva 1 & 3 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Gingermagic wrote: > What is 'SqueezeAMP'? I did look, but couldn't work out of it was > hardware, or software, or what? It is minimal hardware player based on a SoC Espressif 82?? , very small can run on bartteries has it own amp. Small displays have been added. Can be made into own system or esles embedded inan old Radio etc. Probably need to be OK with hardware. > What 'screens' do you use? Logitech Squeezebox Touch's? Or Rasberry > Pi's with Touch Screens? If Rasberry Pi's, can you share your > recommended spec? Which Pi's? Which Screens? The screens I looked at > online seemed quite poor. Screens can be old mobile phones , touchpad running browser with Material or a LMS App, RPI can be built into Touch equivalent and can have variety of screen from small 5" up to large 10". Budget and application make people choose a screen to suit. > - What are 'Jogglers'? I really seared for those, and found nothing! IIRC an > O2 tablet computer (pre iPad I think) - v. old now I think x86 based. > And is 'Material UI' an app? Is it for iPhone, or just android? Material UI is a plugin for a skin. Installed via LMS 3rd parties plugin. It is Browser based so can be made to appear as an App on a mobile/tablet To use on desktop use http://localhost:9000/desktop bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On 12/3/20 3:29 PM, Gingermagic wrote: [...] - What 'screens' do you use? Logitech Squeezebox Touch's? Or Rasberry Pi's with Touch Screens? If Rasberry Pi's, can you share your recommended spec? Which Pi's? Which Screens? The screens I looked at online seemed quite poor. I use the PiCorePlayer distro on a Raspberry Pi 3 or 4. I found the native DAC on the Pi is a bit noisy. So for places I don't care as much, I will use it. In places I do care, I will get a better DAC HAT to install. I have a blog post of what I did and the parts used you can find here: https://blog.lns.com/?p=151 Tim ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Thanks Everyone, This is probably going to sound stupid, but ... - What is 'SqueezeAMP'? I did look, but couldn't work out of it was hardware, or software, or what? - What 'screens' do you use? Logitech Squeezebox Touch's? Or Rasberry Pi's with Touch Screens? If Rasberry Pi's, can you share your recommended spec? Which Pi's? Which Screens? The screens I looked at online seemed quite poor. - What are 'Jogglers'? I really seared for those, and found nothing! - And is 'Material UI' an app? Is it for iPhone, or just android? Thanks again, Damian Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Gingermagic wrote: > Thanks for the quick response bpa! > > I have just updated LMS. I'm running 8.0.0. now. > > My Linux server is running Xubuntu 20.04 LTS > > My OpenSSL version is 1.1.1f > > When I play Spotify on my phone, lo squeeze devices show up in 'Other > Devices'. > > They have in the past, for me, but rarely for my family. > > Id love to get this working. Any idea what's going wrong? > > I've just installed the BBC Sounds plugin. I'll have a play with that. OK - server is perfect. I'm not a "Spotty" person so perhaps a question on a spotty thread (or a new thread with a spotty title) might get good answers from real spotty users. I think paul's suggestion of available touch screens, is the way for mobile phone/App users. Have you looked at using the Material UI ? Good on a phone. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
My way to keep LMS in use by others at home was to put as many touch screen control points around the place as possible - with amplifiers/speakers always powered up. Even then it has been a limited success. The kitchen is the one place where everyone has tacitly agreed to use it exclusively. Speakers are in the ceiling and are, nowadays, driven by SqueezeAMP and there are two touch screens (Jogglers) - one near the fridge & sink and the other near a dining table. Pretty well everything that everyone else plays in there is via a Favourite. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw, supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Thanks for the quick response bpa! I have just updated LMS. I'm running 8.0.0. now. My Linux server is running Xubuntu 20.04 LTS My OpenSSL version is 1.1.1f When I play Spotify on my phone, lo squeeze devices show up in 'Other Devices'. They have in the past, for me, but rarely for my family. Id love to get this working. Any idea what's going wrong? I've just installed the BBC Sounds plugin. I'll have a play with that. Thanks, Damian Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Because of changes in SSL / https - Spotify and internet services need an up to date LMS 8.0.* AND and up to date OS with openssl at least 1.1.* LMS 8.0.0 integrates online music services and local Music library. Your system can play all current services as long as LMS and OS are up to date. You provide no details on "linux server". At the very least you should upgrade to latest OS (not the latest update for the current version of your OS). Not clear what size your music library but a simple afforable LMS server upgrade would be using a Pi4. SliMP3 may require a lot of transcoding but Pi4 should be OK as long as there isn't a big load. BBC radio - there is a BBC Sounds plugin available - so mobile use of BBC Sounds and LMS use are in-line. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Can I breath new life into my system, or does in need replacing?
Hi Everyone, I have Logitech Media Server (7.9.3) running on a Linux server in the garage. I've got a SLIMP3 (original) in the kitchen, which splits the audio to speakers in the kitchen and to an amp in the front room. I've also got a Squeezebox (not sure if it's 1 or 2) in our bedroom. The problem is that the family just don't use these devices any more! They seem old, clunky, and they'd rather play Spotify on their phones. I've tried to get Spotify working through the SLIMP3 and Squeezebox, but it's only worked intermittently at best, and that's just not good enough. For the family, I think that Spotify is here to stay. That's where they go for their music. My wife also plays BBC radio a lot. She uses a crappy radio for that because, again, my efforts to get it working on my current devices have been intermittent at best. I still tend to go to the system and find 'my music', but maybe that's just because I haven't used Spotify much. I'm tempted to give up on the Squeezeboxes, but I'm not sure what I'd replace them with. I definitely don't want and 'smart (spying) speakers' in the house. And we've got decent speakers. I just need something to pick up the Spotify music from their phones (multiple different users) and 'just work'. If I can keep the ability to play our own files, from the server, then that's a bonus. However, I'm no longer particularly attached to that. I don't play that much music myself, and when I do, I'm at my computer. I can play what I want when I want. It's the family use that I'm trying to sort. What would you guys suggest? Should I just get some Bluetooth speakers and bypass the audio system that we've got? Is the problem just down to old players? Would something like a Logitech Squeezebox Touch stream Spotify, from different users, easily and with close to 100% success? Is the problem down to me, and even these old players should work? Should I be buying some Rasberry Pi's, and cases for them, and screens(?) and dotting those around that house? And whichever solution you suggest, can you tell me how much money it's going to cost. Thanks, Damian Gingermagic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30509 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=113360 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
