[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
i think the lcd should be color on the remote, but i see no harm in having a secondary video output to a tv or whatever, superimposing info. -- MrSinatra www.LION-Radio.org Using: Squeezebox2 w/SS 6.5.1 (beta!?) - Win XP Pro SP2 - 3.2ghz / 2gig ram MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I have read with interest some of the responses on this thread and they are very varied indeed. Personally, I like to keep an open mind however I do think that Logitech have a steep climb if they want to establish themselves in the high-end audio market. I must say that I have always been very happy with the logitech products that I have come into contact with but these are only mice and keyboards which to my mind are where Logitech's roots are (I could be completely wrong here but that's what I always think of when the name Logitech is mentioned). I work for a company called NXP Semiconductors but you may be more familiar with their previous name which was Philips Semiconductors. NXP is now owned by a private investment consortium and are having a massive drive to impregnate the industry with their new brand image. Previously, as Philips, they spent considerable time and effort implanting a brand image in consumers minds. I believe I'm correct in saying that the brand image of Intel that we all know and love today cost them a ridiculous amount of money ... and I mean stupid amounts of dosh. It seems to me that Logitech are attemtping to alter the impression of their company in the mind of the consumer ... in other words, alter their brand image. I think that they have a massive challenge ahead of them and one that shouldn't be under estimated. However, I wish them all the success they deserve. I can only hope, along with many here, that the quality of the Slim Devices products is not compromised in any way and that the community is still nurtured and sherished for the added value it provides. Cheers, Gavin -- Gavster Gavster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8300 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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earthbased;150284 Wrote: I think a cool idea would be for the SB to have a video output so lyrics and album info/art could be shown on the TV. Not crazy about the idea unless it doesn't take away from the focus on the LCD. I bought a squeezebox cuz I didn't want to have to use a TV to listen to my music (which could be potentially damaging on a plasma). Otherwise I could've run mythtv on a machine with an optical spidf out. -- dr4stic dr4stic's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6756 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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i've been watching and following slim since the first days. i currently have 4 squeezebox3 units and have resold my older units to friends and family. i have too say that this announcement brings a bit of sadness to my life. although i know there are examples of megacorp-buys-little-guy-hero-and-little-guy-conquerors but those are very few and very far between. i do not feel i've been sold down the river by sean et al. they hopefully have enough financial security for the rest of their life and that opportunity is increasingly rare these days. that being said... i hope that if logitech decides to 'consumerize' slim products that they continue to support the current development model and product niche. for the people writing add-ons and working on the base i hope they see some sort of program to make it worth their time to continue. bottom line is that the slim products NEVER would have born inside a company the size of logitech so please take care when you decide to 'improve' the product and process. -- jackaninny jackaninny's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=273 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I was shocked when I read the announcement. However following the thread gives some hope. I hope that a product in the upper consumer range like the squeezebox will still be marketed under the slimdevices brand name. I really wouldn't like to have a Logitech product on my stereo. And I really hope audio quality won't change for the squeezebox. But I'd be happy for a cheaper Logitech box that is compatible with Slimserver... For bathroom, etc. use where soundquality doesn't matter that much. -- hansto hansto's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4985 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I hope this means parallel streams of new product development. I for one fancy a WiFi connected portable Slimserver compatible player. Just up Logitechs' street. -- Koenraadr Koenraadr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5142 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Mitch Harding;150093 Wrote: I, on the other hand, would purchase Microsoft hifi if it sounded good. The label doesn't affect the sound. On 10/26/06, P Floding P.Floding.2gb86n1161907801 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com wrote: That is the way it works in the connoisseur arena. And there is nothing level-headed people can do about it, no matter how logical their arguments are. I would NOT want a Microsoft hifi. Period! Well, MS was chosen carefully beacause I have a thing against MS.. Logitech, on the other hand, I don't have anything against, but I only see keyboards and mice.. No cred in audio at all. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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dwc;150096 Wrote: I on the other hand have been part of a small company that was *not *acquired by a larger one. It went out of business as players with much bigger budgets stomped the market. Sean did the right thing for Slim Devices. Actually, in our case we might as well have been competing as ourselves. Even if stomped it wouldn't have made much difference -apart from the owners' bank balances, admittedly. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Now when you mention it. I had one of those black spherical ones that looked quite funky when they came out. It was USB (so was advanced for its time). Support for it was just dropped for no apparent reason not long after I got it. Made me mad as hell as those things weren't cheap in those days. I don't think it ever worked under Win2k SP3 or XP. Mitch Harding;147917 Wrote: Wow, that's not my experience at all. I've had several mice from them and one webcam, and all of them performed well and were good values for the money. Not sure about support since I've never had to call it for my Logitech products. On 10/19/06, Mark Norton Mark.Norton.2fxx0n1161286802 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com wrote: This is bad news - the worst. Every Logitech product I have ever bought has been garbage - badly made, dummed down to the lowest possible build cost and it will only be a matter of time before the rot migrates across to the Squeezebox and SlimServer. And don't get me started on Logitech support. Staffed by people who know nothing and care less. -- Mark Norton Mark Norton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4722 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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John Gorst;147457 Wrote: Video squeezebox?? (not actually interested in one myself) I think a cool idea would be for the SB to have a video output so lyrics and album info/art could be shown on the TV. -- earthbased earthbased's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=334 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Trackballs RULE! -- gdg gdg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1122 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Wow, i just bought a Logitech Harmony 525 remote. If any of the Harmony software devs come a knocking on Slim's door to offer help with slimserver, LOCK IT! This has to be the worst software i have used in a long time, makes in Sonic Stage look good. Oh dear, i worry even more now. -- autopilot *SlimServer Version:* 6.5 - Windows XP. *Amp:* Cambridge Audio 640a (living room) / Denon MD30 (bedroom). *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom). *Remote:* T-Mobile MDA Vario / Sony PSP / Cambridge Audio Explorer (IR). *Clients:* 1 Squeezebox3 + Softsqueeze. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I live in the Uk and my experience of logitech has been nothing but excellent. I had a conflict between a logitech device and a PCi card on my computer. I ended up on first name terms with a support guy in europe and he battled away with the problem until everything was sorted. Very friendly, so i just suggest folks should remain positive. Pass on your feedback and i'm hopeful of the spirit of co-operation continuing. m. -- mudlark mudlark's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7151 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Wow, Good luck... I'm in the process of sending my squeezbox back becauase I was unable to get Slimserver to work even with some customer support... I don't think slimdevices is ready for the general consumer market. For the general computer consumer I think it is very complicated. GP seanadams;147400 Wrote: I am pleased to announce that Logitech is acquiring Slim Devices, and I am glad to have the opportunity to share the news here in our forum before the official press release goes out. We have been building a relationship with Logitech for quite some time. As we got to know their executive team, it became clear that there was a compelling opportunity for us to work together to bring Slim Devices products to the mainstream market. As you may know, Logitech recently launched the Wireless DJ music system, and also produces Harmony remote controls, which many of our customers already use with their Squeezeboxes. This is an opportunity for us to introduce Squeezebox and Transporter more quickly to a lot more people. Slim Devices will benefit from Logitechs brand, their retail channel, their expertise in developing quality hardware, and their existing portfolio of complementary products such as speakers and remotes. Logitech believes this will be a fast growing segment of their business, and we are looking forward to making that happen. One of the most exciting things about this opportunity is Logitechs enthusiasm for our open development model, and the way we collaborate as a community to improve our products. We plan to expand this model as we continue to develop great new software and hardware. SlimServer will continue to be available free of charge under the GPL, and we will participate in these forums in much the same way. All of our employees have accepted new employment offers, and we will remain in our Mountain View location. Dean, Patrick and I expect to stay for the foreseeable future. Ill be here on the forums if you have any questions, and as always, welcome your feedback and ideas. Best regards, Sean -- GregP GregP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8038 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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That is too bad. Did you try to get help from these mailing lists? There are many helpful users here...On 10/26/06, GregP [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Wow,Good luck...I'm in the process of sending my squeezbox back becauase I was unable to get Slimserver to work even with some customersupport...I don't think slimdevices is ready for the general consumermarket.For the general computer consumer I think it is verycomplicated. GPseanadams;147400 Wrote: I am pleased to announce that Logitech is acquiring Slim Devices, and I am glad to have the opportunity to share the news here in our forum before the official press release goes out. We have been building a relationship with Logitech for quite some time. As we got to know their executive team, it became clear that there was a compelling opportunity for us to work together to bring Slim Devices' products to the mainstream market. As you may know, Logitech recently launched the Wireless DJ music system, and also produces Harmony remote controls, which many of our customers already use with their Squeezeboxes. This is an opportunity for us to introduce Squeezebox and Transporter more quickly to a lot more people. Slim Devices will benefit from Logitech's brand, their retail channel, their expertise in developing quality hardware, and their existing portfolio of complementary products such as speakers and remotes. Logitech believes this will be a fast growing segment of their business, and we are looking forward to making that happen. One of the most exciting things about this opportunity is Logitech's enthusiasm for our open development model, and the way we collaborate as a community to improve our products. We plan to expand this model as we continue to develop great new software and hardware. SlimServer will continue to be available free of charge under the GPL, and we will participate in these forums in much the same way. All of our employees have accepted new employment offers, and we will remain in our Mountain View location. Dean, Patrick and I expect to stay for the foreseeable future. I'll be here on the forums if you have any questions, and as always, welcome your feedback and ideas. Best regards, Sean--GregPGregP's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8038View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821___ discuss mailing listdiscuss@lists.slimdevices.comhttp://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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For the general computer consumer I think it is very complicated. Yes, its probably not user-friendly enough for most people. I was talking to my brother (who doesn't know beans about computers) and raved about my Squeezebox. He said: very cool, where can I get one? And I answered: I warn you, its a bit complicated, its not at all like a cd-player. And he answered: Damn, never mind, then. -- Nostromo Nostromo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6322 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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junien;147410 Wrote: Let me introduce myself. My name is Junien Labrousse, Logitech SVP of the Entertainment and Communication Business Unit. The first thing I'll say is that we are very excited about the opportunity that Slim Devices will bring to Logitech. This is a great extension of our current business. Let me assure you that one of the main reasons for this acquisition is the development capabilities of the Slim Devices team. The technical level of this group is a key asset that we fully intend to leverage. The Slim Devices entity will function independently, keeping the spirit of advance audio technology and strong product innovation. Logitech will bring its global distribution and marketing capabilities, providing a jump start to a large visibility and adoption of Slim Devices products. Junien I've been part of a small company that was acquired by a larger one, and I can see all sorts of problems on the horizon. One problem is losing the interest from enthusiast, who wanted to contribute to a small specialized company, but are unlikely to feel the same way now. Another is how a search for synergy (or cost cutting) can rip the heart and soul out of a product and make it another also-run. Standardisation can do the same damage. A third is managing the manager (if he stays on -if not, even worse). A fourth might be about openness, lawyers, quarterly reports, etc, etc. I don't know it all, but I suspect it will matter. It will probably also damage any high-end aspirations in the audiophile arena. Logitech, as far as I know, has no credentials in high-end audio. Associations will instead be with computer peripherals. Let's face it, there is some mystique with a small company battling it out with the big ones, doing it their own way. I see all of this disappearing. It comes down to vested interests, and brand loyalty, and it might not be the same now. Sean: Good, innovative, well engineered products, amazing support and customer interaction, you deserve a big cheque -and congratulations on that! I hope you prove us sceptics wrong. -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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JackOfAll;148617 Wrote: Well, I'm certainly not narrow minded; I listen. As I hinted in a previous post, I socialise with audiophiles. As a direct result of hearing a Squeezebox in my system, at least 5 people have bought one. Let me tell you, it was hard enough to get those people to leave their prejudices at the door. At the time, I was able to say that SD was a niche company, with a niche product, with a niche ethic. I'm sorry, but explaining to them that the Transporter is 'badged' by a company that makes $10 computer mice amongst other things is not going to inspire confidence in an audiophile product. What happens from here on in, we will see in time. I have an opinion, that's all. Clive That is the way it works in the connoisseur arena. And there is nothing level-headed people can do about it, no matter how logical their arguments are. I would NOT want a Microsoft hifi. Period! -- P Floding P Floding's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2932 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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P Floding;150082 Wrote: That is the way it works in the connoisseur arena. And there is nothing level-headed people can do about it, no matter how logical their arguments are. I would NOT want a Microsoft hifi. Period! Well, for the connoisseurs there's always sonos, olive, or sooloos :). They can play them through their 5k icepower asp amps (identical electronically to some car amps, but hey, they come from a high end company). -- totoro _ squeezebox 3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
I, on the other hand, would purchase Microsoft hifi if it sounded good. The label doesn't affect the sound.On 10/26/06, P Floding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:That is the way it works in the connoisseur arena. And there is nothing level-headed people can do about it, no matter how logical theirarguments are. I would NOT want a Microsoft hifi. Period! ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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P Floding;150078 Wrote: I've been part of a small company that was acquired by a larger one, and I can see all sorts of problems on the horizon. I on the other hand have been part of a small company that was *not *acquired by a larger one. It went out of business as players with much bigger budgets stomped the market. Sean did the right thing for Slim Devices. -- dwc dwc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1892 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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[[Microsoft logoed SB3]] Ouch! That would indeed be much, much worse in my opinion. Then I WOULDN'T have bought one, for sure. *sigh* Generalizations hurt everybody. I recently bought a Microsoft Natural Elite Pro Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 (there's probably some other words in the title, but I forgot them). Quite honestly, (and with apologies to Logitech) it's hands down the best wired keyboard on the market, in my opinion. Build quality, feel, additional buttons...it's a fantastic bit of kit. Worth the $55. -- flattop100 flattop100's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Grats to Sean and the Slim crew! (When is the party?) -Dan -- dwc dwc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1892 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Human nature is a strange thing. You hit the nail on the head. For me, I'm already in the club. Unless Audio Research, Classe or Theta builds something similar, I'll probably buy a Transporter. Just please don't name it LogSqueeze. I liked your posting: while the message is the same as said so often before, I like its slightly ironic and self-critical touch. As Juliet said to Romeo: What's in a name? That which we call a SlimDevices Transporter By any other name would sound as sweet. BTW: isn't Porsche just a Volkswagen (or therefore: Skoda!) with spoilers? It's the same company, isn't it? -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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isn't Porsche just a Volkswagen (or therefore: Skoda!) with spoilers? It's the same company, isn't it? No, two completely separate companies, who have colaborated on occaision. Skoda is owned by VW, as is Audi. Tom ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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VW/Audi own Bugatti and Lamborghini though -- audiofi http://www.audiofi.co.uk/reviews/ audiofi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=726 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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This is a bit off topic first. Not completely separate - Porsche own 25% of VW (i.e. blocking rights) and F. Piech chairman of VW supervisory board owns about 12% of Porche and was CEO of VW up to 2002. Following the analogy in relation to SD. The VW Phaeton was a commercial failure - people didn't want to pay over $100k for a VW but the Bentley (also owned by VW) with the same mechanicals can't keep up with sales. The badge and pedigree seems to be important to show other people. If the same logic applies - Logitech should be able to sell - cheaper Squeezeboxes in new cases badged Logitech (Powered by Slimdevices) possibly with cheaper components (e.g. cheaper PS, DAC) - move the Slimdevices brand upmarket with dearer SB2plus using technology from transporter. Isn't this what Logitech is already doing with their $10 and $100 keyboards ? -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Tom;148975 Wrote: isn't Porsche just a Volkswagen (or therefore: Skoda!) with spoilers? It's the same company, isn't it? No, two completely separate companies, who have colaborated on occaision. Skoda is owned by VW, as is Audi. Tom Porsche owns 25% of Volkswagen and there some people that are on both boards of directors. Other than that, they are seperate companies. I generally think people are more brand conscious when it comes to cars than when it comes to hi-fi gear. But I agree that it feels nicer to be loyal to a small just-out-of-the-garage outfit staffed with nice individuals, than to a large, faceless corporation. While I still would have bought a Logitech-branded Squeezebox v3, I quite probably would not have told my friends about it with the same enthusiasm that I have been doing recently. -- blackbear blackbear's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7015 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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ezkcdude;148950 Wrote: Much, much, much worse... [[Microsoft logoed SB3]] Ouch! That would indeed be much, much worse in my opinion. Then I WOULDN'T have bought one, for sure. I'm actually surprised that noone has made a Logitech logoed SB image yet. I guess it was just too obvious. PREDICTION: First new product to come out of this: A Logitech NAS/SlimServer product. You saw it here first, folks! ;-) -- blackbear blackbear's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7015 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Harry G;148941 Wrote: I know that Mercedes today is made by Chrysler, whose cars we also wouldn't buy, yet, the association doesn't bother me. Maybe because they're so different. Ouch, that hurt my german auto pride^^.. Mercedes Cars are still made by Mercedes, here in god ol' germany. Mercedes aquired Chrysler quite some time ago, to form up Daimler-Chrysler (and let me tell you, they lost a fortune for doing so...) -- rhymesgalore rhymesgalore's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8131 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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But for the audiophiles who talk of their audio systems like they talk of fine wines, mechanical watches or art, this doesn't really work. Hello, all along this thread i keep reading how audiophiles like a product or don't by just looking at the brand name or the faceplate. Please stop that nonsense. I could be labelled as an audiophile, yet i've been listening to music from a computer for many years, using a pro soundcard or now the Squeezebox. I don't have fancy cables (1 or 2 maybe...), i have a Tact RCS but also some cheap DVD players, a turntable,...etc.. I make my choices by gathering informations (friends, forums, magazines) and in the end by listening. In France, a very popular item among audiophiles is a cheap Philips CD player, the 723 (cost +/- $120) and it got good reviews from HiFi mags. An audiophile is a person who loves music first and then seeks for the best to listen to it. Maybe you have met a fraction of the audiophile community that we call idiophiles, who come with big money and no clue at all about sound. I have met one who can hear the advantages of the green pen on a cd but can't realize that one speaker has a broken driver, another one with a full Tact system which gets worse every time i pay a visit, but they are a minority. I first heard of the squeezebox on an audiophile forum, by participants who had megabucks systems, and speaking of brand names, a thing called Squeezebox by a company called Slim Devices hasn't got great credibility, could have been Logitech as well. Your post triggered my answer but it's not specially directed to you, it was just the last drop. Best regards, Jean. -- zano65 zano65's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3906 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 05:31:11AM -0700, rhymesgalore wrote: Harry G;148941 Wrote: I know that Mercedes today is made by Chrysler, whose cars we also wouldn't buy, yet, the association doesn't bother me. Maybe because they're so different. Ouch, that hurt my german auto pride^^.. now you've hurt my detroit auto pride. Mercedes Cars are still made by Mercedes, here in god ol' germany. Mercedes aquired Chrysler quite some time ago, to form up Daimler-Chrysler (and let me tell you, they lost a fortune for doing so...) daimler-benz and chrysler merged. neither acquired the other. -- bill ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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junien;147410 Wrote: Let me introduce myself. My name is Junien Labrousse, Logitech SVP of the Entertainment and Communication Business Unit. Greetings! Let me introduce myself: I've been a user of the SlimServer software for several years, loving it so much that I built a computer just to house my music library and SlimServer installation, researching and learning open-source operating system s (I chose FreeBSD) to do so. However, I've never been able to afford a Squeezebox. I use the software every day (in conjunction with the MusicMagicMixer after ripping my CDs with EAC and tagging them with the MusicBrainz tagger), streaming music from my home to my desktop at work. At home I have softsqueeze installed on the family laptops and they use it. So, while I absolutely hope you can continue to maintain and even improve the audiophile aspects of the current Slim Devices products, I've always hoped that there would be a low-cost alternative so that it could be more easily adopted by more typical, non-audiophile consumers (of course while still sounding great). I guess I just want you to hear from a customer who has been waiting in the wings for a lower cost product. I'm willing to sacrifice features of the current device so I can more readily get networked audio into multiple rooms of my house. Personally, I would sacrifice the built-in display and the digital outs. For display, just give me an S-Video, or even composite video, and I'll hook it into my existing home theater. Again, don't take the display and the high-end D/A converters away from the people that want them! Just hit me with a $100 product without them. :) In the meantime, I'm a very delighted SlimServer user. -- thing-fish [image: http://imagegen.last.fm/3line/recenttracks/thing-fish.gif] thing-fish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5288 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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radish;147454 Wrote: (my Harmony 880 STILL won't charge properly because of a faulty cradle, and support are pretty horrible to deal with) but we'll see. Wow. I had that same problem. That was the first of two times I've had to return my Harmony 880. While the remote is great for controlling my system, the quality is suspect, and the web based setup is too slow. I love my two squeezeboxes, and find the SlimServer to be snappy and robust. I have a Logitech MX500 mouse and in order to get all the buttons to work in games I had to manually edit the registry. I'm not optimistic about the future :( -- Relayer35 Relayer35's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5255 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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junien;147518 Wrote: Well... we are just starting the integration. Our main focus will be on jumpstarting sales at retail. This statement makes a huge amount of sense to me. Logitech has huge distribution and marketing channels, and as far as I know, the SqueezeBox is still distributed primarily through Slim Devices web orders. I see this as a very synergistic combination for Slim Devices. -- tygar tygar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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What ends? The unfounded doomsaying? I sure hope so!On 10/22/06, RadioClash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:And so it ends. --RadioClashRadioClash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821___discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.comhttp://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I was expecting something like this for the past few months as there is no way that SD have financial clout to market their products long-term on a worldwide basis. After the loss of http://www.meedio.com I was very concerned to see this thread in the General Discussion Forum. It seems my initial fears were unfounded. I hope that Logitech keep to the SD winning formula, and can bring thier manufacturing, financial, and marketing clout to raise the profile of the SD Products. It is clear that things will change for SD - but realistically without a substancial partner or acquisition, I am sure that SD's days would have been numbered. So - congrats to the SD Team and congrats to Logitech guys - I look foward to new SD Products* (*how about a portable and child friendly and child-proof squeezebox please!) -- stevieweevie stevieweevie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4338 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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stevieweevie;148695 Wrote: I was expecting something like this for the past few months as there is no way that SD have financial clout to market their products long-term on a worldwide basis. After the loss of http://www.meedio.com I was very concerned to see this thread in the General Discussion Forum. It seems my initial fears were unfounded. I hope that Logitech keep to the SD winning formula, and can bring thier manufacturing, financial, and marketing clout to raise the profile of the SD Products. It is clear that things will change for SD - but realistically without a substancial partner or acquisition, I am sure that SD's days would have been numbered. So - congrats to the SD Team and congrats to Logitech guys - I look foward to new SD Products* (*how about a portable and child friendly and child-proof squeezebox please!) Yes, I agree. I share some of the concerns others have expressed about Logitech. But I also had concerns about SlimDevices. Mostly that a small company selling a niche product could easily cease trading, for instance it might get into a financial mess through trying to expand too fast. I was dithering about whether to buy a SliMP3, partly because of this. Fortunately I dithered long enough for the SB1 to come along, and now I am happily using my SB2, though mainly for radio - BBC LIsten Again or BBC shows I have recorded. -- danco danco's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=210 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Before the acquisition I could send email to supportATslimdevices.com and was guarranteed to receive a personal reply the very next business day. Now I've sent the same message three (3) times and have NOT received any reply... US$20M isn't a whole lot of money for LOGI (with a market cap of US$4.5B), but we're all kidding ourselves if we think NOTHING will change. c -- djfake --- www.itjerk.com www.progressiverock.com djfake's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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djfake;148744 Wrote: Before the acquisition I could send email to supportATslimdevices.com and was guarranteed to receive a personal reply the very next business day. Now I've sent the same message three (3) times and have NOT received any reply... US$20M isn't a whole lot of money for LOGI (with a market cap of US$4.5B), but we're all kidding ourselves if we think NOTHING will change. c I called support Fri. They spent a long time helping me with a tech problem. So there was no change in my situation -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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stevieweevie;148695 Wrote: (*how about a portable and child friendly and child-proof squeezebox please!) No thank you! -- autopilot *SlimServer Version:* 6.5 - Windows XP. *Amp:* Cambridge Audio 640a (living room) / Denon MD30 (bedroom). *Speakers:* Mission 701's (living room) / Kef Cresta 1's (bedroom). *Remote:* T-Mobile MDA Vario / Sony PSP / Cambridge Audio Explorer (IR). *Clients:* 1 Squeezebox3 + Softsqueeze. autopilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1763 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Wow - that made my day. Welcome Logitech. I think that is great news. It will not harm to add a bit more consumer orientied point of views to the Slim Devices Audiophile centric world. Make cash on the consumer side to support the top notch development for a little market segement. I am excited.. und Logtech isch halt a tolli Firma. junien;147441 Wrote: Actually I am not sure I see a dicotomy between tech-led development and user-friendliness. In fact I was personally impressed about the ease of installation and of use of my Squeezebox. The user interface of the Slim Server could probably become more consumer oriented. Yet this is not a priority. We are much more interested in extending the current technology to new hardware products and new markets. I also hope that the open source community will continue to be motivated in making the products stronger and more versatile. Junien. -- SoundBoy Boy-oh-Boy-what a Sound SoundBoy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3085 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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mauidj;148578 Wrote: gorman, I'm sorry but I don't think it is fair of you to label people narrow minded because they have an opinion.Sorry, I totally want to clarify the difference between stating that something is narrow minded thinking and stating you people are narrow minded. I did not want to offend anybody. In truth, I am only genuinely surprised by how many people, here, seem to give badge a high value. And I am surprised because they, during these years, have put trust in a company called Slimdevices, that for the audiophile world mattered less than zero. Or is somebody saying that a Logitech branded Transporter would have received worse reviews than a Slimdevices branded one? In that case, yes, I'd define the reviewers narrow minded. -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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There seems to be quite a lot of negativity floating around here towards logitech. My take? It's only been a few days - give it a chance! FWIW I don't think Logitech will be bad for slim. As others have pointed out, they acquired harmony a while ago and those products just keep getting stronger (I have an 885 myself and it's probably the best sub-$500 remote I've used). They also do a very nice line in silly money keyboards and mice, as well as the bread and butter $10 units we all know, so they're no strangers to the higher end of the markets they play in. An Audiophile brand they're not - yet. With the transporter, they may break into that world. Either way, give it a few months for the dust to settle before we all start crying about how badly things are going... -- sugarmonster Toys: http://www.coolest-gadgets.com Photos: http://www.sugarmonster.net sugarmonster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=848 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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DrNic;147980 Wrote: Well, I don't whether to be happy or sad Come to think of it I feel it's more disappointment. I too hope that the big company ethos doesn't bleed over into Slim Devices, but somehow really have to try to convince myself of this. All I ask (like most on here) is that the current relationship between SD and its customers (you know - the ones who put you in a position to be bought out?!) is retained. And that when I buy (or if I buy) another squeezebox it isn't emblazoned with Logitech across its beautiful brushed aluminium front. I really hope this doesn't spell the end for a product that has somehow become more than a piece of hardware. Remember your roots SD team Nic Oh my. Just heard the news. Congratulations and good-bye. The spirit of Slim-Devices =will= be lost within 6-months, regardless of what the Logitech execs may have informed anyone at your last company meeting. It's the nature of the beast. Thats the way these sorts of aquisitions work... prepare to transition into corporate mode. It aint pretty... been there, done that. On the plus side, many of the Slim Devices founders are now (hopefully) millionaires so after their 1-2 year contract is over, and the non-compete waiting period has passed, they can start another great community driven company. y. -- Yannzola Yannzola's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=874 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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gorman;148822 Wrote: is somebody saying that a Logitech branded Transporter would have received worse reviews than a Slimdevices branded one? Nope, but with a Logitech brand name, it might never have been reviewed at all by the audio publications. And I have no doubt used units will have lower resale value with the Logitech name. If you just plan on listening to it forever yourself, none of that matters, but every piece of audio gear I buy these days, I assume I will be reselling at some point in the future. -- TiredLegs TiredLegs's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6201 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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LHawes;148024 Wrote: Just heard the news so am of course quite late to the discussion. Read most of the posts and can see many different futures ahead for SD and Logitech but to my mind the most likely is that Logitech will create a good or perhaps very good music device - with a much larger market. Slim Devices had the chance to create a GREAT music device - with a much smaller market. As much as the Logitech folks might like to think of themselves as a company they are not, they will, in the end, be driven by a passion for the bottom line and not a passion for musical excellence. A company their size has no choice. During this transition we will read all the perfectly crafted messages stating how involved Logitech will remain in the current community, and how dedicated they are to the SqueezeBox. This is not a knock on Logitech as they are obligated so say such things in our modern corporate culture. I only hope they can come to this table and be honest about their corporate responsibities, which must come first as the nature of reality in the corporate world, and not pretend to be able to attend to the existing audio community established here, let alone be willing. The two directions are simply at cross purposes and cannot exist in a company of that size. I would also assume that this forum will change radically as well. Again, out of necessity. Nightly builds will disappear, as they must. A more consumer friendly product (or many) will surface very shortly and the transporter seems VERY out of place in a world of consumer driven products, can't see how it can survive. I won't bid a farewell as of yet but it will come soon enough, and to that end i would like to thank all of the people here who have made the SB such a great device and most of all to the community that has a added lot to my knowledge in a kind and courteous way. Best to all, Larry Hawes Here here. -- Yannzola Yannzola's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=874 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Here here. Grammar-Nazi It's HEAR HEAR, as in Oh my fellows, won't you unplug your ears and hark unto the clear wisdom emanating from this person who is speaking? /Grammar-Nazi -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin, So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Stop whining, people! ;-) I could have been much, much worse: (And I still would have bought one!) +---+ |Filename: fp_sb3.gif | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1875| +---+ -- blackbear blackbear's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7015 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Human nature is a strange thing. Before I bought my wife her last Mercedes, a car buff friend insisted we drive a Honda before making up our minds. He felt the Accord coupe was a more modern, somewhat better car than the Mercedes coupe and would save us about $8000. From the test drive, I'll go as far as to say that the Honda completely impressed me. Still, we couldn't bring ourselves to buy it. Japanese cars are what we bought our daughter until she could afford to buy her own car. I know that Mercedes today is made by Chrysler, whose cars we also wouldn't buy, yet, the association doesn't bother me. Maybe because they're so different. Everyone here is already in the Slim Devices choir. To audiophiles in the outside world, if they know about the Squeezebox at all, its just like the Roku but doesn't get written about as much or its just like the Sonos but without the pretty remote control. Another one of those cheap IPod thingees for the home. Plus, aren't the good ones, like the McIntosh, servers anyway? So, you already have Volkswagon bringing out a go fast car and still calling it a Volkswagon rather than a Porsche. Can I sell my audiophile friends on that? Maybe some if they get it that this is something idiosyncratic and that I'm letting them in on a secret. But now I have to tell them that the little idiosyncratic company that other than Transporter makes inexpensive things is really owned by a huge slick company that makes all kinds of other inexpensive things they already own. I think that takes the mystique away. For non-audiophile friends and Squeezebox this won't be a problem. They think of their music systems as appliances anyway. But for the audiophiles who talk of their audio systems like they talk of fine wines, mechanical watches or art, this doesn't really work. For me, I'm already in the club. Unless Audio Research, Classe or Theta builds something similar, I'll probably buy a Transporter. Just please don't name it LogSqueeze. -- Harry G Harry G's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1165 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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blackbear;148919 Wrote: Stop whining, people! ;-) I could have been much, much worse: (And I still would have bought one!) Much, much, much worse... +---+ |Filename: sbms.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1876| +---+ -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT Terminator 2 interconnects-Endler Audio 24-step Attenuators (RCA-direct)-Parasound Halo A23 125W/ch amplifier-Speltz anti-cables-DIY 2-ways + Dayton Titanic 10 subwoofer He's not hi-fi, he's my stereo. ezkcdude's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2545 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Congratulations! Never thought that a mainstream company like Logitech would pay $20 million bucks for a niche producer. How much is that per unit sold? I'm pretty sure that Logitech did not aquire you to buy market power or just the technical design of your products. They could have done that themselves way cheaper. It must be the fact that you do things differently in terms of development. I bet that Logitech won't kill this! Keep up the good work! -- Dave Dave's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=584 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I'm surprised! Good luck to Sean and SD. I really hope that the acquisition by Logitech doesn't destroy the ethos and personality that SD had. Whilst I feel confident that Logitech can increase the sales of low-end product, I wonder how long it will be until meeting a product price point will result in sacrifices to sound quality. As an audiophile and a techy, I don't expect SD under Logitech to be making decisions that appeal to me as a consumer. I own 3 SB3's, still awaiting delivery of a pre-ordered Transporter (if the UK distributor ever receives any stock ;-), and have been responsible for at least 5 other sales of SB3's and getting those people up and running with the software. Guys, sell more product by all means, but keep the software open source, and don't ever drop support for Linux or flac. That'll be the day I bail as SD supporter. And I agree with some of the other posters regarding the Transporter; putting a Logitech badge on it is a very bad idea! Anyway, good luck for the future. Clive -- JackOfAll JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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JackOfAll;148535 Wrote: And I agree with some of the other posters regarding the Transporter; putting a Logitech badge on it is a very bad idea!At the tenth remark along this line I got fed up. What sort of narrow minded thinking is spreading among the community? 5 Years ago who the heck would have thought something made by Slimdevices to be of audiophile quality? Think about that before going on and on about this Logitech badge thing. It could be Slimdevices, a Logitech company, it could be just Logitech. If you really consider yourselves audiophiles, you should be judging the quality of a product, not its badge. JackOfAll, this is not targeted specifically at you, yours is only the last post of this kind that I can read without replying. Peace. :) -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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gorman;148544 Wrote: At the tenth remark along this line I got fed up. What sort of narrow minded thinking is spreading among the community? JackOfAll, this is not targeted specifically at you, yours is only the last post of this kind that I can read without replying. Peace. :) gorman, I'm sorry but I don't think it is fair of you to label people narrow minded because they have an opinion. This is after all what this forum is about. Opinions. Subjective or objective. I've read most of the posts on this thread and I think more than most it is full of positive words for Sean and company. There is also an overwhelming desire for the continuation of the open source nature of the software. Additionally, as you stated, there is a reoccurring sentiment expressed that the value of the SD brand be maintained. You are absolutely right when you say... gorman;148544 Wrote: 5 Years ago who the heck would have thought something made by Slimdevices to be of audiophile quality? and that is our point. It has taken SD 5 years to get a reputation as an audiophile type company. Now tag on Logitech and any branding person will tell you it's back to the beginning again. We all know the product is the samefor now.but we feel it is a branding error. That's all. gorman;148544 Wrote: Think about that before going on and on about this Logitech badge thing. It could be Slimdevices, a Logitech company, it could be just Logitech. If you really consider yourselves audiophiles, you should be judging the quality of a product, not its badge. I agree as well. But people are human and they do judge by the brand. That's why companies pay millions to brand correctly. Is it rightnot reallyno one should judge a book by it's coverbut people do. So all we are saying is, because of that fact, SD should maintain it's own brand identity that has been built up so successfully over the years. And finally, as an audiophile, I do listen first but I also take into account the company behind the product. Spending $2000 is not an impulse purchase and I want to know that the item will be serviced and supported for many years to come. No one in this forum, to my knowledge, has suggested Logitech will not do this but in my case it gave me a moment to pause and consider these issues. peace to you too :) -- mauidj Oracle Delphi/FR64/Dynavector, Krell EVO-555, Krell EVO-202, Krell EVO-402, BW 801-Matrix3. Music all the way! mauidj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7648 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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gorman;148544 Wrote: JackOfAll, this is not targeted specifically at you, yours is only the last post of this kind that I can read without replying. Peace. :) Well, I'm certainly not narrow minded; I listen. As I hinted in a previous post, I socialise with audiophiles. As a direct result of hearing a Squeezebox in my system, at least 5 people have bought one. Let me tell you, it was hard enough to get those people to leave there prejudices at the door. At the time, I was able to say that SD was a niche company, with a niche product, with a niche ethic. I'm sorry, but explaining to them that the Transporter is 'badged' by a company that makes $10 computer mice amongst other things is not going to inspire confidence in an audiophile product. What happens from here on in, we will see in time. I have an opinion, that's all. Clive -- JackOfAll JackOfAll's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3069 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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And so it ends. -- RadioClash RadioClash's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I would like to congratulate the Slim Devices crew on their sale to Logitech. I have only had my Squeezebox for unde a month but it is possible one of the finest things I have bought. As long as the management team stay, or have opportunity to imprint their ethos on the Logitech appointed replacements in the more distant future. The Slim Devices brand should stay. Logitech produce some cheap product and I feel as previously suggested Audiophiles (Transporter in mind) will steer clear for sure. To me the Slim Devices brand almost has an Apple type quality. Little touches make a truly great product. if you look at Toyota as an example, they created Lexus because nobody with money would buy into the Toyota brand even though the build quality is excellent. I am sure Logitech realise that once trashed a brand name is worth nothing. Make Slim Devices the brand it can be! At least now it has the opportunity. Keep the development and great products coming. At least money will be available to put all Seans ideas into action! -- Smiler33 Smiler33's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7861 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Media Streaming is clearing an up and coming market and SD are not going to be able to continue forever on ripped CDs as a source - CD is a dated format now and I'm sure the music industry would dearly love to hasten its demise. Online music and DRM is going to be the future whether we like it or not. I really hope you're wrong in this point. I like to carry my own music with me. When travelling, when abroad, when in places where there's no internet, not even mobile phone. And DRM is just out of discussion for me. It does feel like the end of an era, but to quote the late great George Harrison 'All things must pass'. Last night I listened to some songs of this very album. But I'm sure even great musicians can be wrong :-) -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Unless it's a IR based device (limited functionality and not what people want) or just a fancy Logitech/SD branded web tablet (i.e. a crippled 770), it's going to have to have some kind of proprietory software if it's going to be as slick as, and compete with, the Sono's. What does proprietary exactly mean? Closed? Not following standards? Isn't SlimServer proprietary as it is not following common standards (eg. UPnP)? I think what you want is a dedicated, fat client. Not a web interface, but a binary executable on a dedicated hardware device. But couldn't this application be open source (as eg. the Nokia770)? Might be my understanding of prprioetary is a linguistic problem of mine :-) So, my questions are; Are logitech prepared to build a device and software that will function in Linux and all the OS's that SlimServer currently does? It does not have to: there's already the very powerful CLI. It could talk to the server on that base and http requests (for coverart and more). And will that remote's software be open source? I hope so. There is no way they will start making there own products open, something will have to give. Why not? I assume you've heard of Open Office. Some ten years ago this was closed source StarOffice, pretty successful in Germany, but hardly anywhere else. When Sun bought them, many of the users thought this was the end. A little later Sun opened the source - something they imho hadn't done before. The only way to move SlimServer forward is to completely redesign it from scratch. At some point soon they will have to IMO. I doubt that. 6.3 to 6.5 didn't add much functionality, but there were massive changes in the background. One of the major issues people were complaining about was the scanning process. Too slow, GUI unusable during scanning etc. 6.5 separated the scanner - and complaints about these two issues are virtually gone. Thats when we will see if we still get an open source and Linux version of Slimserver i guess, if it fact its still called Slimserver after Logitech start bringing it into line with their current porfolio. That's where I agree: starting from scrath would be a mess. Implementing the current level of functionality would not be possible with a reasonable effort. So why start from scratch anyway? I still don't understand why everybody's thinking Logitech wanted to kill SD. SD wasn't a competitor. Logitech has its own line of entry level systems. I'd rather say, they want the higher end. Money's not only in the masses, but in the audiophile world, too. -- Michael - http://www.herger.net/SlimCD - your SlimServer on a CD http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Dan Sully;147909 Wrote: FLAC support is here to stay. SqueezeNetwork is here to stay. Linux/Unix support is here to stay. With all due respect Dan, no-one could or should make that promise. Things beyond your and your company's control can affect what happens and all you can really say is that there is no current intention to change anything. You really wouldn't want a law suit... -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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CardinalFang wrote: Dan Sully;147909 Wrote: FLAC support is here to stay. SqueezeNetwork is here to stay. Linux/Unix support is here to stay. With all due respect Dan, no-one could or should make that promise. Things beyond your and your company's control can affect what happens and all you can really say is that there is no current intention to change anything. You really wouldn't want a law suit... That's definitely true about SqueezeNetwork (well, except the lawsuit part -- I'm pretty sure that an unsanctioned statement like Dan's wouldn't be actionable, but IANAL). But as for FLAC and Linux/Unix support, the code is GPL'd. If Logitech takes it in a way the community doesn't like, it can always be forked. Logitech _knows_ that, which makes them unlikely to force the issue. That was the whole point of buying gear from a company with open source server software, remember? Now we're protected from the big bad corporate overlords! - Marc ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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CardinalFang wrote: Dan Sully;147909 Wrote: FLAC support is here to stay. SqueezeNetwork is here to stay. Linux/Unix support is here to stay. With all due respect Dan, no-one could or should make that promise. Things beyond your and your company's control can affect what happens and all you can really say is that there is no current intention to change anything. You really wouldn't want a law suit... Legal bollocks. That's exactly what he is saying. Some people have too much time on their hands. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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PhilNYC wrote: Jetlag;147912 Wrote: 2. FLAC support in perpetuity (unless something better AND also free comes along in the interim)? With the never-ending price drops in hard drive prices, why not just rip to WAV files and not worry about FLAC? Because WAV files don't support tagging. And, regardless of the price of hard drives, you *still* get more music/megabyte with FLAC. R. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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thaumaturge;147968 Wrote: Well, Sean and the boys cashed out. I'm disappointed, but not surprised. Good for them. Better to take the offer now before the SB shipments drop off after even more media-server products are released this quarter at half or a third of the SB price. I doubt the boys will take the money and run. I can't wait to see what products will come. Any speculation on how they might meet these sales goals? Discounts? New stuff? Pyramid sales schemes? (http://www.falseprofits.com/MeaningofPyramids.html) -- bobharp Bob Harper bobharp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=600 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Mark Lanctot;147869 Wrote: Good God, why? That's one of the best things about the Squeezebox! Other manufacturers don't use ones this large because they feel they are too expensive. In fact I believe I read that the display is the highest-cost component in the whole player. However SD correctly realized they are extremely easy to read from a considerable distance. An LCD could never do that. Yes, I would have to say you are correct in your assumption, but my point being that with large databases the VFD is a bit limited to work with (it might be that I am the limited one!), but I do see you point and have to agree with it, so it would have to be the remote using the LCD. -- sorenson sorenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7192 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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As a consumer that just wants things to work well and support as many formats as possible without DRM rubbish (which has never stopped anyone from copying music), I'm in two minds about this. However, as long as support for a wide range of formats (especially FLAC) remains and I don't have to start paying for server software upgrades, then I reckon this will be great. Logitech, keep me happy! I'd also suggest ways to incentivise the continuation of community driven development, perhaps via plugin of the quarter/year prizes etc. -- charlesr charlesr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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sorenson;148140 Wrote: Yes, I would have to say you are correct in your assumption, but my point being that with large databases the VFD is a bit limited to work with (it might be that I am the limited one!), but I do see you point and have to agree with it, so it would have to be the remote using the LCD. This is going off-topic ... but... 1. I love my SB3 with the VFD, it's quite beautiful. It's very bright, and with the text set to LARGE, I can easily see it from across the room. I do wish that it could display more information sometimes, but I'm willing to give that up, as I can easily use my laptop and the web interface when I'm doing something that requires more information than what fits on the SB screen. 2. I agree the LCD would be a good choice for the remote, as I'd really want the cost of that to be kept as low as possible, and VFD is also simply too power-hungry to use on a remote relying on batteries. I'd also like it to be full color displaying album art and such. LCD and OLED displays are coming down in price so much, I'm sure a remote capable of interacting with the Slim web interface could be built economically. Unfortunately I fear that it'd be priced to high (no matter how inexpensively it could be built) for me to justify the purchase though (at least initially) ... because that's how the electronics indurstry is. -- jeffluckett jeffluckett's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Robin Bowes;148118 Wrote: CardinalFang wrote: Dan Sully;147909 Wrote: FLAC support is here to stay. SqueezeNetwork is here to stay. Linux/Unix support is here to stay. With all due respect Dan, no-one could or should make that promise. Things beyond your and your company's control can affect what happens and all you can really say is that there is no current intention to change anything. You really wouldn't want a law suit... Legal bollocks. That's exactly what he is saying. Some people have too much time on their hands. R. Sorry, was that aimed at me? All I am pointing out that if someone buys a product based on a comment from an employee and that turns out at some point to be not true, some wacko may sue - they sue for a lot less. You promised me support for SqueezeNetwork/FLAC/Linux forever! -- CardinalFang You're only young once, but you can be immature forever... CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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jarome;148157 Wrote: 3) I hope SD does NOT do things like adding video or color screens. There is no real reason to see album covers, and the niche market is high-end audio, not video. Yes! And there are growing calls for this, in this thread and others. Video streamers and music players relying on a TV as a primary display are a dime-a-dozen these days. I don't need or want one, whether it's made by LogiSlim, DevicesTech, or anyone else. -- Mark Lanctot Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and the service stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my hi-fi gear... That's just silly. Kevin -- Kevin O. Lepard Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I've just spent over an hour reading through the entire 25 pages and growing of this thread. I've owned a Squeezebox2 for about a year and a half now, and have recently been contemplating buying a Squeezebox3. Just thought I would add my 2 cents, although I'm probably not going to say anything that hasn't already been said in one way or another. First, congratulations and best of luck to the Slimdevices folks! Second, I fear this is bad news for the *NIX, open-source fans out there. While I love music, I do not consider myself an audiophile. Before buying, when I researched the product I was very impressed with comments that I saw about the quality of the product itself, and of the sound quality of the device. But what really hooked me was the open source software, the community support for it, the plugins, etc. Logitech is going to want to push this out to the mass market, and unfortunately the mass market means Windows-based PC's. Right now the slimserver software is primarily written in Perl and uses a MySQL backend database. Granted these things run under Windows, but they have their roots in *NIX world. If 90% of the future Slimserver owners are running Windows how long will it be before they decide it is in their best interest to develop software that is more native to Windows, in addition to, or in replace of the current open-source model? Then, if most of the customers are running the Windows version of the software where will the software RD money go? I appreciate the responses by both the Slimdevices and Logitech folks reassuring us that the current software model isn't changing any time soon. However, I certainly don't see these responses as any type of guarantee. I think the market will dictate the future direction of the product, both in terms of hardware and software. As others have pointed out we have the current software, which we can continue to use. And hopefully there will remain a strong open source community involvement. I'm just not sure of the Logitech/Slimdevices direction. Hopefully I am proven wrong! -- soxfan soxfan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5697 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Kevin O. Lepard;148189 Wrote: Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and the service stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my hi-fi gear... That's just silly. A Skoda is a Volkswagon in all but badge. Which one would you prefer on your drive? People strongly believed that the Jaguar X-Type was a Ford Mondeo with a new body, sales never amounted to anything close to success. Brand is important, Apple know that and so do many others. I wouldn't buy a Logitech Transporter because they are not renowned for high-end audio engineering or for understanding the needs of the HiFi audience. Right now, that's dumb, in 2-3 years, it may well be smart. We shall see. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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CardinalFang;148196 Wrote: I wouldn't buy a Logitech Transporter because they are not renowned for high-end audio engineering or for understanding the needs of the HiFi audience. Right now, that's dumb, in 2-3 years, it may well be smart. We shall see. I don't think you'll have to worry about buying a Logitech transporter because in my opinion they simply won't sell one. Not because they are an evil large corporation that hates excellent audio, but because there is not a large enough market for a company the size of Logitech to pursue. All of the other changes that Logitech will bring to the table will be born of the needs of their company. Their choices will be very limited as product cycles and markets will dictate product. This is not to say that Logitech is WalMart but they will make decisions based on similer criteria - they have to because their business model will demand it! And that criteria will probably have very little to do with fine audio reproduction and very little to do with what made the SqueezeBox excellent and the Transporter great. It has nothing to do with Logitech's business ethics and everything to do with the reality of a large business. Large buinesses simply do not pursue small markets and the transporter represent a VERY small market. That is why I would not expect it to survive for very long. -- LHawes LHawes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6244 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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CardinalFang;148110 Wrote: Things beyond your and your company's control can affect what happens The same statement, exactly, would have been true before Logitech bought SD. The marketplace could change, someone could bring out a slim-killer, one of the principals could be caught in an earthquake, California as a whole could fall into the sea, etc, etc, etc. Consider it a statement of intent. While Sean is in a position of influence, this is what he intends to do. If, for some reason I can't imagine, the courts forced Slim to close the source, they'd pretty much have to. He can't anticipate that, and so wouldn't write it here. I think there's an awful lot of (perhaps self-serving) speculation going on here. In another thread, I wrote: If, having seen the introduction, you think you know the whole story of Slim and Logitech and where it's going to go, then you of necessity also think there is nothing unique or different about either Slim or Logitech. Do you? It applies here too. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Michaelwagner;148210 Wrote: I think there's an awful lot of (perhaps self-serving) speculation going on here. I enjoy the debate, no more, no less. It won't change anything but it's kinda fun to chew the fat with fellow enthusiasts. Michaelwagner;148210 Wrote: In another thread, I wrote: If, having seen the introduction, you think you know the whole story of Slim and Logitech and where it's going to go, then you of necessity also think there is nothing unique or different about either Slim or Logitech. Do you? Neither Slim or Logitech are unique, the products vary from others in the market, but there are other companies with fora, open source, computer audio products etc, etc. What has just happened isn't unique either, and what happens next will probably follow a pattern too. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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LHawes;148208 Wrote: Large buinesses simply do not pursue small markets and the transporter represent a VERY small market. That is why I would not expect it to survive for very long. A small market perhaps, but I would expect the Transporter has much higher margins than lower cost products. Ultimately, I would tend to agree with you, I don't see a Transporter 2 in the future. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Quoting CardinalFang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ultimately, I would tend to agree with you, I don't see a Transporter 2 in the future. I'd agree with you there as well. However, I would say that this was still the case for me a week ago. Transporter is a BIG leap from SB3, in technology and form. The next step would be to fill in that gap, create a portfolio. With Logitech, this means the portfolio can include really great remotes, and some much needed cash flow for new devices. Nothing currently from Logitech fills the gap between SB3 and Transporter. SD marked their intended territory with Transporter. Logitech is now doing the same. Logitech is not audiophile, I get that. But with this acquisition, they clearly want to play in the market previously defined by Slim Devices alone. Yes, they may have an upward climb getting brand credibility, but they now have full use of the SD name. I expect that as long as there is value in that name, we'll be seeing it for a long time. -kdf ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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It would really be great if Sean or Junien would comment on some of the concerns that have been raised in this thread since the announcement. Or has Logitech already placed limits on what they can address in their posts? -- Jetlag Jetlag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1012 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On 10/19/06, Lowrent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and theservice stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my hi-fi gear...For me, hi-fi and music are about sound, not the logo on the box. If you knew the quality was the same, why would you care about the logo?Mitch ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Jetlag;148239 Wrote: Or has Logitech already placed limits on what they can address in their posts? Talk about throwing down the gauntlet! I wonder if anybody will take the bait? -- nicketynick Wireless SB3, Denon DRA-F101, Mission M31 loudspeakers WinXP SP2 Slimserver, SMC WBR14g router nicketynick's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1511 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Quoting Jetlag [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It would really be great if Sean or Junien would comment on some of the concerns that have been raised in this thread since the announcement. Or has Logitech already placed limits on what they can address in their posts? oh good lord. that's just too funny. Dan posted some assurances, and just got stomped on. I can't blame them for sitting back one bit. This conspiracy theory...just too much -k ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Sean and Julien have both already commented and responded to several comments here. But the flood of responses here probably make it difficult to respond to them all at once. It's not like they have no other business to take care of in this acquisition. Like talking to their own staff, etc. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Or has Logitech already placed limits on what they can address in their posts? They've been chained to thier desks in a cube farm somewhere and are not given internet access so that thier productivity isn't harmed by browsing and forum-posting activities. Logitech is protecting thier investment, and are sqeezing every last drop of work possible out of Sean et. al. They get two 15 min. breaks and a 30 minute lunch hour where they are escorted to the break room and forced to read tech manuals and eat stale bread. ...either that ... or they're all wicked busy with all the integration meetings and such that is inevitably going on now. -- jeffluckett jeffluckett's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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On 10/20/06, nicketynick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Jetlag;148239 Wrote: Or has Logitech already placed limits on what they can address in their posts?Talk about throwing down the gauntlet!I wonder if anybody will takethe bait?Actually, I sincerely hope that both of them have better things to do than to participate in this pathetic whine fest. The fat lady has yet to sing. I appreciate that everyone's very excited about this change, but let's get real. Previous bad experiences do not automatically mean new bad experiences. Why not wait and see what happens? -- I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,So across the Western ocean I must wander -- traditional ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
According to the late breaking news crawler on the San Francisco Chronicle web site, a large cruise missile with the *Logitech* logo was just sighted in the air, headed south towards Mountain View. Come on, you guys! -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Shoot! I meant to post earlier, now I'm buried on page seven. Even I only read till page 3. Anyways, I wanted to add my $.02 Congrats to the SD-Team, I hope this aquisition comes as a reward for your hard work and commmitment. I'm a little worried...yada.. yada.. yada. But, I've been a big fan of SD products for quite a while and have successfully recommended the products to many, now, satisfied SD customers. I plan to keep a cautious, enthusiastic, eye on the what happens to the products I like so much. Please keep in mind a few things moving foward: I bought my first SD products because: - Open-Source SW at the heart of SS. - Innovative technology. - Works as advertised (quality control) - Quality of end result. (The music/audio quality e.i. FLAC, DAC). As opposed to iTunes-like junk. I've stayed a SD customer because: - Quality of support. - Open communication with community. - Open to ideas from community. - Real Product improvments.. not just a new model-name/number. Recommend: - Please address the (Logitech-name != HiFi-audio) issue quickly and effectively. Thanks for reading this. Best of luck to Logitech+SD. -- elo elo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and the service stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my hi-fi gear... That's just silly. A Skoda is a Volkswagon in all but badge. Which one would you prefer on your drive? Never owned either. But if the _only_ difference is the badge, and the fit, finish, options, etc., are the same then I'll take the cheaper one. Results matter, not the logo on them. I wouldn't buy a Logitech Transporter because they are not renowned for high-end audio engineering or for understanding the needs of the HiFi audience. If you're not buying it because it doesn't perform, that's one thing. If you're not buying something that does perform, but because it says Logitech on it instead of AUDIOPHILE EXPENSIVE BRAND X on it (or for that matter SlimDevices), then I stand by my original comment: That's just silly. But hey, it's your call to buy or not buy. Kevin -- Kevin O. Lepard Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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I agree completely.On 10/20/06, Kevin O. Lepard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and theservice stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my hi-figear...That's just silly. A Skoda is a Volkswagon in all but badge. Which one would you prefer onyour drive?Never owned either.But if the _only_ difference is the badge, andthe fit, finish, options, etc., are the same then I'll take the cheaper one.Results matter, not the logo on them.I wouldn't buy a Logitech Transporter because they are not renowned forhigh-end audio engineering or for understanding the needs of the HiFiaudience. If you're not buying it because it doesn't perform, that's one thing.If you're not buying something that does perform, but because it saysLogitech on it instead of AUDIOPHILE EXPENSIVE BRAND X on it (or for that matter SlimDevices), then I stand by my original comment:That's just silly.But hey, it's your call to buy or not buy.Kevin--Kevin O. LepardHappiness is being 100% Microsoft free. ___discuss mailing listdiscuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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God this thread is hard to keep track of :) None of us know the details of the deal SlimDevices have done with Logitech, so we don't know how SD will operate in the future. Will they be dictated to by Logitch board? or will the be a completely seperate, but wholy owned subsidury? Everyone writing like they assume the former, but really we have no idea. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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funkstar;148296 Wrote: None of us know the details of the deal SlimDevices have done with Logitech, so we don't know how SD will operate in the future. Right. And until we know that, if we ever know that, this is all just uninformed electrons flapping in the breeze. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Kevin O. Lepard;148294 Wrote: If you're not buying it because it doesn't perform, that's one thing. If you're not buying something that does perform, but because it says Logitech on it instead of AUDIOPHILE EXPENSIVE BRAND X on it (or for that matter SlimDevices), then I stand by my original comment: That's just silly. You've just described the audiophile market :-) -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
Kevin O. Lepard;148294 Wrote: Talking about pride, even if the quality of the hardware and the service stays the same, the Logitech logo will never be near my hi-fi gear... That's just silly. A Skoda is a Volkswagon in all but badge. Which one would you prefer on your drive? Never owned either. But if the _only_ difference is the badge, and the fit, finish, options, etc., are the same then I'll take the cheaper one. Results matter, not the logo on them. Most ordinary consumers take the Volkswagen, the same way that they'll taken an iPod and not an equally good alternative. Results actually don't matter that much to most people, why are BO and Bose so popular for example? -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Quoting CardinalFang [EMAIL PROTECTED]: . You've just described the audiophile market :-) Doesn't really fit with me. Sure, it's the joke, but any company making audiophile gear had to start somewhere. Any name is made or broken on the quality of their gear. Calling yourself TacT might be worth something now, but it wasn't a guarantee until their products made a mark. Again, we're back to the Slim Devices name having value. Now Logitech will have the gear to bring value to their name in new markets as well. -k ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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Jack Coates;148260 Wrote: Actually, I sincerely hope that both of them have better things to do than to participate in this pathetic whine fest. What are bulletin boards about except to discuss things? People like to talk about stuff. That doesn't make it pathetic, it's just human nature. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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CardinalFang;148311 Wrote: Most ordinary consumers take the Volkswagen, the same way that they'll taken an iPod and not an equally good alternative. Results actually don't matter that much to most people and they won't do the comparison, they'll take the brand they won't be embarassed about. Why are BO and Bose so popular for example? Is it because they are the best or because the brand impresses other people? BO equipment is actually Philips inside - put the same spec Philips TV next to the BO one and people go for the badge. You're probably right, to a certain extent anyway. OT: The good thing about BO (and part of the reason for the cost) is they will still be able to repair your system 20 years after you purchased it...apparently. Obviously it's not a 20 year warranty, but at least they won't tell you to throw it away and start again like most other companies. -- funkstar funkstar's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2335 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Re: Logitech to acquire Slim Devices!
I've read the 27 pages(probably 28 by the time I post this) of the hand-wringing, grousing, congrats, and various 'special interest' concerns about the Logitech acquisition, and am, for the most part, amused. I suppose that, because of my age, I see things a bit differently and prefer to look at this in a larger context. I think its important to remind, or introduce for the first time, a few concepts and facts that germane to the discussion. 1. Change is inevitable. Live it, or live with it. 2. SD has, up to this point, introduced products that are a real value to those of us who enjoy listening to high quality music reproduction. No one is going to confiscate it or charge you anything more for continuing to use it. It stands as a testament to the management team of SD as a benchmark of the way companies should conduct any kind of business. Sean and company deserve every accolade and monetary benefit they've been able to garner. If SD were to cease to exist tomorrow, we'd still enjoy the fruits of their labors. Their contribution to the enjoyment of music , IMHO, is as great as the CD itself. 3. Call me naive, but the evidence exists that Logitec will let SD continue to operate as it has until such time that it ceases to grow in the manor it has in the past. The ball is in SD's court to continue to innovate and develop products and services that retain old customers and attract new ones. Why would Logitec mess with this proven track record? It would be against their shareholders best interest. Observations that SD is swirling the drain are premature. If Logitech's objective were to kill SD, then you wouldn't be reading this post. I look forward to the day, in 5 years, when I'll have a SB6 in my shirt pocket. A flash based 2 terabyte device that uses QUAC( quantum universal audio codec) files, controlled by a Harmony fob, in my pants pocket, and viewable on the Logitech MONacle( media optical nexus), available in prescription at extra cost, and streams HD audio, and video if you choose, to any wifi enabled audio, or HT, system within 50ft. ;)))! -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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CardinalFang;148316 Wrote: People like to talk about stuff. That doesn't make it pathetic No, but the whining does. Face it. We don't know what's going to happen. Logitech is a specific company, at this specific point in time, with these specific leaders, subject to these specific market trends and forces. Same for SD. That combination of factors makes this takeover fairly unique. To claim that you know, as a certainty, that this is going to be a disaster, is whining. -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
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konut;148335 Wrote: I've read the 27 pages(probably 28 by the time I post this) Only 7 pages now. Did someone move 20 pages somewhere else? Or is page size different for different users? -- Michaelwagner Michaelwagner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=428 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=28821 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/discuss
