Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up, and use sub receiver

[Ed Cole]

When I first set up for digital modes on my K3 (probably in 2010) when I 
long-pressed DATA MD and rotated VFO-B to select DATA-A it came up in 
LSB instead of USB.  I was on 28-MHz so SSB ran USB, but not DATA.  I do 
not recall exactly, but I forced it to USB (I think using the MODE 
button).  Never had it change sidebands in DATA-A after that.


Of course several updates of firmware since then so maybe it was a bug 
that got fixed??


I'm still using firmware rev 5.67 (should probably update it).

---

Note: New in my shack is an IC9700 (talk about complicated and then 
there is the whole touch screen nonsense).  Spectrum display will be 
nice, though.  I already get that with my SDR-IQ running in parallel 
with the K3.


I might be on 6m FT8 during FD from home.  My HF triband appears shot 
(atu will not tune it-guessing problem with the traps) so no luck for 
running 20-10m.  I have a potential replacement from an estate sale.


73, Ed -KL7UW

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up and use sub receiver

[Dick Dievendorff]

One possible gotcha is that the sub receiver is an option on the K3, and you
need to set a configuration menu item to say that it is installed. The
process is mentioned in the KRX3 manual and at the end of the K3 manual
where the various menu items are described.

Hold the CONFIG button (the button is labeled "Menu") located near the top
left of the front panel.

Rotate VFO B until you see "KRX3" in the bottom line of the LCD screen.
Rotate VFO A to Ant = ATU or Ant = bnc depending on your use of a 2nd
antenna (mine says ANT = ATU).

Leave the menu  (by tapping the MENU button again), then turn on the SUB by
tapping the SUB button on the bottom right of VFO A. the "SUB" icon
(surrounded by a box) should appear beneath the two VFO frequencies on the
LCD screen.

Adjust the main and sub receiver volumes with the concentric RF and AF gain
knobs.

You can decide whether to hear the sub and main mixed into both headphones
by the L - MIX - R menu item, mine is set to A b so that I hear the main and
sub receivers simultaneously, one in each ear.  

Other possible problems are that the sub receiver may be switched to a
different antenna, to check this, HOLD BSET (to the top right of the LCD
screen), then set the ANT to the appropriate antenna for VFO B and make sure
that the RX ANT is as you expect it to be. 

73 de Dick, K6KR



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From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 12:06
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up and
use sub receiver

On 6/20/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Isaacs via Elecraft wrote:
> Before using Elecraft, I used a Yaesu Ft 1000MP Mark-V Field and it 
> was a mere touch of a button to use the sub receiver. I have scoured 
> Pages 37/38 and still have not come up with a way to individually use the
2 receivers.

Gee, it's trivially easy. Push the SUB button to turn it on. With headphones
set for stereo, you'll hear it in your right ear, with the main RX in your
left ear. Once it's on, a long push on the SUB button puts you in Diversity
mode, for which you need a second antenna and an input for it.

Perhaps study of the rest of manual might be a good thing. Over the years,
I've owned ICOM, Yaesu, an Ten Tec rigs, and their user interfaces have all
differed radically from each other. The Elecraft UI is, by far, the best of
them all, but you have to RTFM to understand it.

73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up and use sub receiver

[Jim Brown]

On 6/20/2021 11:31 AM, Richard Isaacs via Elecraft wrote:

Before using Elecraft, I used a Yaesu Ft 1000MP Mark-V Field and it was a
mere touch of a button to use the sub receiver. I have scoured Pages 37/38
and still have not come up with a way to individually use the 2 receivers.


Gee, it's trivially easy. Push the SUB button to turn it on. With 
headphones set for stereo, you'll hear it in your right ear, with the 
main RX in your left ear. Once it's on, a long push on the SUB button 
puts you in Diversity mode, for which you need a second antenna and an 
input for it.


Perhaps study of the rest of manual might be a good thing. Over the 
years, I've owned ICOM, Yaesu, an Ten Tec rigs, and their user 
interfaces have all differed radically from each other. The Elecraft UI 
is, by far, the best of them all, but you have to RTFM to understand it.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up and use sub receiver

[Richard Isaacs via Elecraft]

How this got to you I don’t know. I tried sending it to the reflector and it 
came back as well. We’ll try again.

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 2:31 PM, Richard Isaacs  wrote:
> 
> Before using Elecraft, I used a Yaesu Ft 1000MP Mark-V Field and it was a
> mere touch of a button to use the sub receiver. I have scoured Pages 37/38
> and still have not come up with a way to individually use the 2 receivers.
> Perhaps it is in the setting, although I did adhere to the directions for
> separate frequencies on each receiver. I am using a Butternut HF-9V antenna
> for both. What I need is to switch back and forth between the two receivers
> and be able to hear a speak on both.
> 
> I hope someone will help me as I feel I am losing half the receiver, and I
> am sure it is much simpler than I imagine.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Rick/W3RKI

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[Elecraft] New K3 user... Can't figure out how to set up and use sub receiver

[Richard Isaacs via Elecraft]

Before using Elecraft, I used a Yaesu Ft 1000MP Mark-V Field and it was a
mere touch of a button to use the sub receiver. I have scoured Pages 37/38
and still have not come up with a way to individually use the 2 receivers.
Perhaps it is in the setting, although I did adhere to the directions for
separate frequencies on each receiver. I am using a Butternut HF-9V antenna
for both. What I need is to switch back and forth between the two receivers
and be able to hear a speak on both.

I hope someone will help me as I feel I am losing half the receiver, and I
am sure it is much simpler than I imagine.

Thanks in advance,

Rick/W3RKI
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Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Gerry Hull]

Not true, Jorge!

I have used it mobile, at conventions, and many radio club demos.

Don't forget about the Android client for RRC (Nano) (they need a new one,
but old one works).  If you have your station fully automated as far as
band switching,
the NANO client works perfectly on your phone.

I understand what you are asking for -- and it will come!

73,

Gerry W1VE / VE1RM





On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:26 PM Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
wrote:

> Hello Gerry
>
> Elecraft + remoterig works very good.
>
> I think once´s VY1AAA setup was ready, you left it there for all this
> years.
>
> I am thinking about the case i need to travel every week, 3 days a week,
> and i want to take my remote solution with me.
>
> Something easiest to connect and get ready will be grate for this cases
>
> 73,
> Jorge
>
> El jue., 7 mar. 2019 a las 13:45, Gerry Hull () escribió:
>
>> I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the
>> K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini.
>>
>> One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for
>> Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after
>> week once it has
>> been configured properly.
>>
>> Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is
>> comparing Apples to Oranges.  I would hold Flex to an even higher
>> standard:  It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft +
>> RemoteRig stuff was on the market.
>>
>> Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have
>> a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel
>> and
>> radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream).
>>
>> So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which
>> is growing rapidly.   I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their
>> hands
>> regarding remote.
>>
>> I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New
>> Hampshire.   The remote end is simple DSL.   The technology rocks.
>> Packaging is the result of multiple vendors.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM
>> Trustee, VY1AAA
>> Hancock, NH
>>
>> Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
>> Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops
>> ge...@w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft <
>> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Fred:
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+
>> or
>> > > K4) is really needed.  The remoterig is relatively difficult and old
>> > tech.
>> > > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed.
>> >
>> >
>> > I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700
>> > through Maestro remotely.  Both approaches have their advantages and
>> > disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges.
>> >
>> > The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external
>> > boxes, cabling, and settings.  However, once up and running it is very
>> good
>> > and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for
>> > radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3
>> > station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max
>> > upload of 1.2 MBps.  In most cases, it is 768 Mbps.  In addition, it is
>> a
>> > ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the
>> > connection is directly between the remote and the K3.  I am not
>> dependent
>> > upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections.
>> However,
>> > this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and
>> KAT500.
>> >
>> > The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I
>> use
>> > a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an
>> Orion
>> > Rotor).  Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would
>> take
>> > uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the
>> KAT500
>> > which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely.  I’ve done
>> > this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because
>> it
>> > requires a PC to run it.  I hope at some point that Remote Rig would
>> > upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any
>> web-capable
>> > device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.).
>> >
>> > Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since
>> September
>> > 2014 without problems.  I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different
>> > locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham
>> > station on site.
>> >
>> > The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and
>> of
>> > course it has a remote panadapter capabiity.  But it has taken Flex over
>> > five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost
>> > and requires greater upload bandwidth.  SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in
>> 2017
>> > which 

Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Jorge Diez - CX6VM]

Hello Gerry

Elecraft + remoterig works very good.

I think once´s VY1AAA setup was ready, you left it there for all this years.

I am thinking about the case i need to travel every week, 3 days a week,
and i want to take my remote solution with me.

Something easiest to connect and get ready will be grate for this cases

73,
Jorge

El jue., 7 mar. 2019 a las 13:45, Gerry Hull () escribió:

> I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the
> K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini.
>
> One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for
> Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after
> week once it has
> been configured properly.
>
> Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is
> comparing Apples to Oranges.  I would hold Flex to an even higher
> standard:  It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft +
> RemoteRig stuff was on the market.
>
> Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have
> a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel and
> radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream).
>
> So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which
> is growing rapidly.   I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their hands
> regarding remote.
>
> I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New
> Hampshire.   The remote end is simple DSL.   The technology rocks.
> Packaging is the result of multiple vendors.
>
> 73,
>
> Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM
> Trustee, VY1AAA
> Hancock, NH
>
> Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
> Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops
> ge...@w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Fred:
> >
> >
> > > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey  wrote:
> > >
> > > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+
> or
> > > K4) is really needed.  The remoterig is relatively difficult and old
> > tech.
> > > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed.
> >
> >
> > I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700
> > through Maestro remotely.  Both approaches have their advantages and
> > disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges.
> >
> > The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external
> > boxes, cabling, and settings.  However, once up and running it is very
> good
> > and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for
> > radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3
> > station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max
> > upload of 1.2 MBps.  In most cases, it is 768 Mbps.  In addition, it is a
> > ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the
> > connection is directly between the remote and the K3.  I am not dependent
> > upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections.  However,
> > this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and
> KAT500.
> >
> > The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use
> > a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an
> Orion
> > Rotor).  Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would
> take
> > uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500
> > which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely.  I’ve done
> > this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it
> > requires a PC to run it.  I hope at some point that Remote Rig would
> > upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any
> web-capable
> > device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.).
> >
> > Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since
> September
> > 2014 without problems.  I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different
> > locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham
> > station on site.
> >
> > The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and
> of
> > course it has a remote panadapter capabiity.  But it has taken Flex over
> > five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost
> > and requires greater upload bandwidth.  SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in
> 2017
> > which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the
> > shack.  Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to
> > establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version 1
> > to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR.
> Flex
> > Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely.  The
> PGXL
> > amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running
> > SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site.  However, the “Tuner Genius”
> > that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, 

Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Fred Massey]

Well said Gerry,
Fred AE

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 10:45 AM Gerry Hull  wrote:

> I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the
> K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini.
>
> One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for
> Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after
> week once it has
> been configured properly.
>
> Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is
> comparing Apples to Oranges.  I would hold Flex to an even higher
> standard:  It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft +
> RemoteRig stuff was on the market.
>
> Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have
> a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel and
> radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream).
>
> So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which
> is growing rapidly.   I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their hands
> regarding remote.
>
> I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New
> Hampshire.   The remote end is simple DSL.   The technology rocks.
> Packaging is the result of multiple vendors.
>
> 73,
>
> Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM
> Trustee, VY1AAA
> Hancock, NH
>
> Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
> Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops
> ge...@w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> Fred:
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey  wrote:
>> >
>> > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or
>> > K4) is really needed.  The remoterig is relatively difficult and old
>> tech.
>> > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed.
>>
>>
>> I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700
>> through Maestro remotely.  Both approaches have their advantages and
>> disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges.
>>
>> The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external
>> boxes, cabling, and settings.  However, once up and running it is very good
>> and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for
>> radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3
>> station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max
>> upload of 1.2 MBps.  In most cases, it is 768 Mbps.  In addition, it is a
>> ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the
>> connection is directly between the remote and the K3.  I am not dependent
>> upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections.  However,
>> this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and KAT500.
>>
>> The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use
>> a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion
>> Rotor).  Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would take
>> uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500
>> which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely.  I’ve done
>> this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it
>> requires a PC to run it.  I hope at some point that Remote Rig would
>> upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable
>> device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.).
>>
>> Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since
>> September 2014 without problems.  I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two
>> different locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a
>> ham station on site.
>>
>> The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and
>> of course it has a remote panadapter capabiity.  But it has taken Flex over
>> five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost
>> and requires greater upload bandwidth.  SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017
>> which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the
>> shack.  Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to
>> establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version 1
>> to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR.  Flex
>> Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely.  The PGXL
>> amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running
>> SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site.  However, the “Tuner Genius”
>> that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I’m limited
>> to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need to
>> use a tuner with it.  I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the
>> Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the
>> past so it works more reliably in “Low Bandwidth" mode.  I also keep a
>> Maestro in both Texas and New England.
>>
>> Having two different 

Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Gerry Hull]

I have four years of experience using the RemoteRig boxes with both the
K3/0 Full-size box and the K3/0 Mini.

One must remember that the RRC 1258 boxes are not purpose-built for
Elecraft, though the solution is elegant, and works flawlessly week after
week once it has
been configured properly.

Comparing the Flex solution of the Elecraft + RemoteRig solution is
comparing Apples to Oranges.  I would hold Flex to an even higher
standard:  It's a one-company solution, designed way after the Elecraft +
RemoteRig stuff was on the market.

Hopefully, the K4, or what is ever next from Elecraft, will have
a detachable front panel --- and the connection between the front panel and
radio chassis will be Ethernet! (One can dream).

So Flex and Elecraft, I believe, pretty much own the Remote market, which
is growing rapidly.   I'm sure Eric and team are not sitting on their hands
regarding remote.

I just passed 25,000 QSOs from VY1AAA, remoting from 4500km away in New
Hampshire.   The remote end is simple DSL.   The technology rocks.
Packaging is the result of multiple vendors.

73,

Gerry Hull, W1VE / VE1RM
Trustee, VY1AAA
Hancock, NH

Gerry Hull, W1VE  Hancock, NH USA
Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops
ge...@w1ve.com ph: 1-617-CW-SPARK (find me)





On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 11:56 AM Barry Baines via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Fred:
>
>
> > On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey  wrote:
> >
> > A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or
> > K4) is really needed.  The remoterig is relatively difficult and old
> tech.
> > The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed.
>
>
> I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700
> through Maestro remotely.  Both approaches have their advantages and
> disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges.
>
> The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external
> boxes, cabling, and settings.  However, once up and running it is very good
> and reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for
> radio control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3
> station in rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max
> upload of 1.2 MBps.  In most cases, it is 768 Mbps.  In addition, it is a
> ’self-contained’ system where no one else has connectivity and the
> connection is directly between the remote and the K3.  I am not dependent
> upon Elecraft to maintain a system for managing my connections.  However,
> this approach also requires separate means to manage the KPA500 and KAT500.
>
> The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use
> a second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion
> Rotor).  Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would take
> uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500
> which requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely.  I’ve done
> this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it
> requires a PC to run it.  I hope at some point that Remote Rig would
> upgrade the firmware to manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable
> device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, etc.).
>
> Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since September
> 2014 without problems.  I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different
> locations (Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham
> station on site.
>
> The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and of
> course it has a remote panadapter capabiity.  But it has taken Flex over
> five years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost
> and requires greater upload bandwidth.  SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017
> which means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the
> shack.  Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to
> establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version 1
> to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR.  Flex
> Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely.  The PGXL
> amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running
> SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote site.  However, the “Tuner Genius”
> that is promised to go with the PGXL has not been released, so I’m limited
> to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need to
> use a tuner with it.  I will say that the bandwidth requirements of the
> Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly less than in the
> past so it works more reliably in “Low Bandwidth" mode.  I also keep a
> Maestro in both Texas and New England.
>
> Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does
> provide some advantages:
>
> -Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the other
> to use as a backup.
>
> -Flexibility.  I like to 

Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Barry Baines via Elecraft]

Mitch:

> On Feb 28, 2019, at 5:50 PM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX  wrote:
> 
> Barry,
> 
> Understand your standpoint now, but that is the opposite of what you wrote 
> below.  You said that you wanted to be able to run the KAT-500 utility 
> remotely, which prompted me to let you know about the serial servers that 
> would be the solution. The Apple part of course makes that somewhat more 
> complicated.

I don’t believe I changed anything in my posting.  I originally stated that I 
was already controlling the KAT500 remotely through a serial-to-ethernet 
interface.  (My original post stated, "What I miss is the direct 
controllability of the KAT500 which requires the KAT500 utility to be 
controlled remotely.  I’ve done this using a Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but 
I don’t like it because it requires a PC to run it”)   By “direct 
controllability” I mean not using a PC running specific software (KAT500 
utility)  requiring virtual com ports and instead using a web-based interface 
such as the RC-1216H for ease of use and compatibility with a multitude of 
devices to control it.  Until such an interface is available, however, I’m 
forced to stick with the current solution of using a PC, virtual serial 
port(s), serial-to-ethernet converter, and KAT500 utility software.  

Much about remote operating boils down to personal preference.  There is no 
‘right’ answer; rather how one uses their station,  lessons learned over time, 
and new technical offerings will cause evolution of how ‘best’ it can be done 
on a case-by-case basis. How I manage my station today is totally different 
that what I did back in 2014.  

> 
> Hopefully someone on the list will now know about these devices which are 
> wonderful to use for remoting.


I agree these devices are very helpful;  without the Lantronics EDS4100 my 
setup would be much more “kludgy” to manage the KAT500 remotely.


73,

Barry, WD4ASW


> 
> 73,
> Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
> 
> -- 
> Mitch Wolfson  K7DX / DJ0QN
> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
> Skype: mitchwo
> USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171
> Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436
> 
> On 28.02.2019 14:52, Barry Baines wrote:
>> Mitch:
>> 
>>> On Feb 28, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Barry,
>>> 
>>> I have been using serial to ethernet servers for over 10 years to control 
>>> rotors, amplifiers and other serial devices. You set these up once and can 
>>> forget about them. You install a virtual serial port on the control PC for 
>>> which you can use any kind of client software to control that device, but 
>>> there is of course no web interface. No local PC on the radio side needs to 
>>> be running. I use these devices instead of the (expensive) dedicated 
>>> RC-1216H devices that only provide a web interface. My favorite ones are 
>>> the Lantronix UDS2100, which I have bought over Ebay.
>> I’m currently using the Lantronics EDS4100 serial-to-ethernet which works 
>> well.  As you note, one creates a virtual com port on the controlling PC 
>> running Windows.  This device can manage up to four serial ports at the 
>> remote site.  Thus, I have the virtual com configuration installed on 
>> Win-7Pro machine in the shack as well as on a Win10Pro virtual machine 
>> running on my MacBook Pro running Parallels that’s with me.
>> 
>> However, that’s the problem…  I want to use web-based devices because I have 
>> no desire to run a Windows in the shack or where I am.  A web-based device 
>> such as the RC-1216H is much more convenient, doesn’t require a PC to access 
>> and avoids having to specially configure the controlling computer such as is 
>> required to manage a Lantronics device that is only compatible with Windows 
>> OS.  I can’t tell you how many times I’ve used my iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, 
>> etc. to remotely manage my station to turn on/off devices (through West 
>> Mountain Radio’s 4005i) or even reboot computers (through Digital Loggers 
>> Pro Switch).
>> 
>>> Note that the WebSwitch 1216H (not the RC-1216H) allows rotor control and 
>>> also has a serial port server to provide a virtual serial port. This port 
>>> can however only be used for the rotor, plus the web interface and virtual 
>>> serial port can not be used at the same time.
>> 
>> To further clarify:
>> 
>> The RC-1216H can be configured to manage the KPA-500,  the SteppIR,  
>> ACOM-200A, Expert 1K-FA, and specific rotators.  According to the RC-1216H 
>> manual, “At the moment it support Prositel rotators with the D-type control 
>> box, AlfaSpid rotators,  rotators controlled by Green Heron control box and 
>> other rotators with serial interfaces with the DCU-1 protocol.”  In my case, 
>> the RC-1216H is compatible with the Green Heron RT-21 control box. Along 
>> with managing the rotor direction, jt can also power on/off the Green Heron 
>> controller through a relay box (such as  from West Mountain Radio) that 
>> allows 12 VDC to 

Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX]

Barry,

Understand your standpoint now, but that is the opposite of what you 
wrote below.  You said that you wanted to be able to run the KAT-500 
utility remotely, which prompted me to let you know about the serial 
servers that would be the solution. The Apple part of course makes that 
somewhat more complicated.


Hopefully someone on the list will now know about these devices which 
are wonderful to use for remoting.


73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

--
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On 28.02.2019 14:52, Barry Baines wrote:

Mitch:


On Feb 28, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX  wrote:

Barry,

I have been using serial to ethernet servers for over 10 years to control 
rotors, amplifiers and other serial devices. You set these up once and can 
forget about them. You install a virtual serial port on the control PC for 
which you can use any kind of client software to control that device, but there 
is of course no web interface. No local PC on the radio side needs to be 
running. I use these devices instead of the (expensive) dedicated RC-1216H 
devices that only provide a web interface. My favorite ones are the Lantronix 
UDS2100, which I have bought over Ebay.

I’m currently using the Lantronics EDS4100 serial-to-ethernet which works well. 
 As you note, one creates a virtual com port on the controlling PC running 
Windows.  This device can manage up to four serial ports at the remote site.  
Thus, I have the virtual com configuration installed on Win-7Pro machine in the 
shack as well as on a Win10Pro virtual machine running on my MacBook Pro 
running Parallels that’s with me.

However, that’s the problem…  I want to use web-based devices because I have no 
desire to run a Windows in the shack or where I am.  A web-based device such as 
the RC-1216H is much more convenient, doesn’t require a PC to access and avoids 
having to specially configure the controlling computer such as is required to 
manage a Lantronics device that is only compatible with Windows OS.  I can’t 
tell you how many times I’ve used my iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, etc. to 
remotely manage my station to turn on/off devices (through West Mountain 
Radio’s 4005i) or even reboot computers (through Digital Loggers Pro Switch).


Note that the WebSwitch 1216H (not the RC-1216H) allows rotor control and also 
has a serial port server to provide a virtual serial port. This port can 
however only be used for the rotor, plus the web interface and virtual serial 
port can not be used at the same time.


To further clarify:

The RC-1216H can be configured to manage the KPA-500,  the SteppIR,  ACOM-200A, 
Expert 1K-FA, and specific rotators.  According to the RC-1216H manual, “At the 
moment it support Prositel rotators with the D-type control box, AlfaSpid 
rotators,  rotators controlled by Green Heron control box and other rotators 
with serial interfaces with the DCU-1 protocol.”  In my case, the RC-1216H is 
compatible with the Green Heron RT-21 control box. Along with managing the 
rotor direction, jt can also power on/off the Green Heron controller through a 
relay box (such as  from West Mountain Radio) that allows 12 VDC to power 
on/off a 120 VAC device.  Keep the Green Heron power switch set to ‘on’ and I 
have  remote on/off capability for the Green Heron itself through the RC-1216H. 
   Thus, I have two RC-1216H devices:  one to manage the KPA500 and the other 
to manage my Green Heron/Orion rotor system.

The Webswitch 1216H is certainly an alternative for rotor control and people do 
get confused with the two model designations.  When I ordered the RC-1216H from 
HRO, they sent me the webswitch 1216H in error.  I like the RC-1216H because it 
is a simple RS232 cable connection between the RC-1216H and Green Heron;  
configure the RC-1216H to manage a rotor, and it basically works 
out-of-the-box.There are eight predefined aziumth bearings that can be 
labeled as well as the ability to direct the antenna to a specific bearing.

In summary, the trend is for more seamless web-based management of remote 
devices both in the consumer market and amateur radio as it eliminates the need 
for specific hardware/software to remotely manage devices.  If I could replace 
using KAT-500 Utility software with a web-based device such as the RC-1216H  to 
manage the tuner, I could stick with running Apple devices (and avoid running 
Windows under Parallels on a MacBook Pro) and be able to fully control my K3 
station from anywhere (in conjunction with the K3/0-Mini).

73,

Barry, WD4ASW
(Keller, TX)




73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

--
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10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
Skype: mitchwo
USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171
Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436

Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Barry Baines via Elecraft]

Mitch:

> On Feb 28, 2019, at 11:27 AM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX  wrote:
> 
> Barry,
> 
> I have been using serial to ethernet servers for over 10 years to control 
> rotors, amplifiers and other serial devices. You set these up once and can 
> forget about them. You install a virtual serial port on the control PC for 
> which you can use any kind of client software to control that device, but 
> there is of course no web interface. No local PC on the radio side needs to 
> be running. I use these devices instead of the (expensive) dedicated RC-1216H 
> devices that only provide a web interface. My favorite ones are the Lantronix 
> UDS2100, which I have bought over Ebay.

I’m currently using the Lantronics EDS4100 serial-to-ethernet which works well. 
 As you note, one creates a virtual com port on the controlling PC running 
Windows.  This device can manage up to four serial ports at the remote site.  
Thus, I have the virtual com configuration installed on Win-7Pro machine in the 
shack as well as on a Win10Pro virtual machine running on my MacBook Pro 
running Parallels that’s with me.  

However, that’s the problem…  I want to use web-based devices because I have no 
desire to run a Windows in the shack or where I am.  A web-based device such as 
the RC-1216H is much more convenient, doesn’t require a PC to access and avoids 
having to specially configure the controlling computer such as is required to 
manage a Lantronics device that is only compatible with Windows OS.  I can’t 
tell you how many times I’ve used my iPhone, iPad, MacBook Pro, etc. to 
remotely manage my station to turn on/off devices (through West Mountain 
Radio’s 4005i) or even reboot computers (through Digital Loggers Pro Switch).  

> 
> Note that the WebSwitch 1216H (not the RC-1216H) allows rotor control and 
> also has a serial port server to provide a virtual serial port. This port can 
> however only be used for the rotor, plus the web interface and virtual serial 
> port can not be used at the same time.


To further clarify:

The RC-1216H can be configured to manage the KPA-500,  the SteppIR,  ACOM-200A, 
Expert 1K-FA, and specific rotators.  According to the RC-1216H manual, “At the 
moment it support Prositel rotators with the D-type control box, AlfaSpid 
rotators,  rotators controlled by Green Heron control box and other rotators 
with serial interfaces with the DCU-1 protocol.”  In my case, the RC-1216H is 
compatible with the Green Heron RT-21 control box. Along with managing the 
rotor direction, jt can also power on/off the Green Heron controller through a 
relay box (such as  from West Mountain Radio) that allows 12 VDC to power 
on/off a 120 VAC device.  Keep the Green Heron power switch set to ‘on’ and I 
have  remote on/off capability for the Green Heron itself through the RC-1216H. 
   Thus, I have two RC-1216H devices:  one to manage the KPA500 and the other 
to manage my Green Heron/Orion rotor system.

The Webswitch 1216H is certainly an alternative for rotor control and people do 
get confused with the two model designations.  When I ordered the RC-1216H from 
HRO, they sent me the webswitch 1216H in error.  I like the RC-1216H because it 
is a simple RS232 cable connection between the RC-1216H and Green Heron;  
configure the RC-1216H to manage a rotor, and it basically works 
out-of-the-box.There are eight predefined aziumth bearings that can be 
labeled as well as the ability to direct the antenna to a specific bearing.  

In summary, the trend is for more seamless web-based management of remote 
devices both in the consumer market and amateur radio as it eliminates the need 
for specific hardware/software to remotely manage devices.  If I could replace 
using KAT-500 Utility software with a web-based device such as the RC-1216H  to 
manage the tuner, I could stick with running Apple devices (and avoid running 
Windows under Parallels on a MacBook Pro) and be able to fully control my K3 
station from anywhere (in conjunction with the K3/0-Mini).

73,

Barry, WD4ASW
(Keller, TX)



> 
> 73,
> Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX
> 
> -- 
> Mitch Wolfson  K7DX / DJ0QN
> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
> Skype: mitchwo
> USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171
> Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX]

Barry,

I have been using serial to ethernet servers for over 10 years to 
control rotors, amplifiers and other serial devices. You set these up 
once and can forget about them. You install a virtual serial port on the 
control PC for which you can use any kind of client software to control 
that device, but there is of course no web interface. No local PC on the 
radio side needs to be running. I use these devices instead of the 
(expensive) dedicated RC-1216H devices that only provide a web 
interface. My favorite ones are the Lantronix UDS2100, which I have 
bought over Ebay.


Note that the WebSwitch 1216H (not the RC-1216H) allows rotor control 
and also has a serial port server to provide a virtual serial port. This 
port can however only be used for the rotor, plus the web interface and 
virtual serial port can not be used at the same time.


73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

--
Mitch Wolfson  K7DX / DJ0QN
10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
Skype: mitchwo
USA: Home:+1-239-221-9600 - Mobile:+1-424-288-9171
Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436

On 28.02.2019 11:56, Barry Baines via Elecraft wrote:

Fred:



On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey  wrote:

A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or
K4) is really needed.  The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech.
The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed.


I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 
through Maestro remotely.  Both approaches have their advantages and 
disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges.

The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external boxes, 
cabling, and settings.  However, once up and running it is very good and 
reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for radio 
control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 station in 
rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max upload of 1.2 MBps.  
In most cases, it is 768 Mbps.  In addition, it is a ’self-contained’ system 
where no one else has connectivity and the connection is directly between the 
remote and the K3.  I am not dependent upon Elecraft to maintain a system for 
managing my connections.  However, this approach also requires separate means 
to manage the KPA500 and KAT500.

The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use a 
second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion 
Rotor).  Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would take 
uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 which 
requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely.  I’ve done this using a 
Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it requires a PC to 
run it.  I hope at some point that Remote Rig would upgrade the firmware to 
manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, 
PC, etc.).

Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since September 2014 
without problems.  I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different locations 
(Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham station on site.

The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and of course it 
has a remote panadapter capabiity.  But it has taken Flex over five years to provide 
the remote capability at significantly higher cost and requires greater upload 
bandwidth.  SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017 which means for four years I could 
only operate the Flex-6700 when at the shack.  Flex’s approach is dependent upon a 
server-based system to establish a secure link, a license fee if you’re upgrading 
from Version 1 to Version 2 or Version 2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR.  
Flex Radio has to maintain a server system to control access remotely.  The PGXL 
amplifier can be controlled directly through Maestro or a PC running SmartSDR v2.xx 
operating from a remote site.  However, the “Tuner Genius”  that is promised to go 
with the PGXL has not been released, so I’m limited to using my EFHW antenna to the 
KAT500 and the K3 setup since I do need to use a tuner with it.  I will say that the 
bandwidth requirements of the Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is significantly 
less than in the past so it works more reliably in “Low Bandwidth" mode.  I 
also keep a Maestro in both Texas and New England.

Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does provide 
some advantages:

-Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the other to 
use as a backup.

-Flexibility.  I like to ‘listen’ so much of my time is spent listening or 
participating on nets.  The K3 setup works well since I’m not particularly 
“hunting” for signals where a panadapter would be useful.  Simply turn on the 
K3 and I’m on the last frequency I was tuned or I can enter the frequency of 
interest.  I have the tuner and 

Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Rick WA6NHC]

That is something that I requested some years ago and again this year.  
To make a box that allows control of the K3(S) using the same port as 
the KPod plus a connection to Line in/out for audio.


Using something like an FPGA, with networking integrated, it appears to 
be a simple matter to convert the K3(S) into a network device (but WELL 
above my ability level), which would simplify remote operations without 
the need for a computer (and capable of using battery power).  A 
matching app (or at least the data exchange) would complete this; tablet 
ops are pretty nice, BlueTooth to the tablet/phone for managed audio.


I've worked around it with a computer, TeamViewer and Skype, but there 
is no reason it can't be simplified.  Using the phone internet, one 
could put up a remote where needed (EMCOMM or fun).


I really think that it would be a very useful addition to the K Line; 
when they have the time.  It would place the K3(S) next to the Flex for 
simpler remote ops.


The app should also consider management of an amp, tuner, rotor or other 
auxiliary devices; if it gets that far.


Rick NHC


On 2/28/2019 8:05 AM, Peter Dougherty wrote:

I couldn't agree more. I'd buy the hell out of that combination. I'd go
further, and would like to see a smaller physical sized remote for easy
traveling. Fewer physical controls but much less size and weight.

  - pjd

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On
Behalf Of Fred Massey
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:20 AM
To: Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or
K4) is really needed.  The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech.
The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed.
73,
Fred
AE4ED

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
wrote:


Hello

any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini
with remoterig integrated inside it?

Maybe for Dayton will have it?

--
73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W
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Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Barry Baines via Elecraft]

Fred:


> On Feb 28, 2019, at 8:20 AM, Fred Massey  wrote:
> 
> A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or
> K4) is really needed.  The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech.
> The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed.


I use the existing K3/0-Mini and Remote Rig with my K3 and the Flex-6700 
through Maestro remotely.  Both approaches have their advantages and 
disadvantages and in essence we’re comparing apples to oranges.  

The K3 approach through Remote Rig is admittedly ‘kludgy’ given external boxes, 
cabling, and settings.  However, once up and running it is very good and 
reliable. Most importantly, the system requires little bandwidth for radio 
control and audio. I can use the K3 remote system controlling a K3 station in 
rural southeast Georgia which has a DSL connection and max upload of 1.2 MBps.  
In most cases, it is 768 Mbps.  In addition, it is a ’self-contained’ system 
where no one else has connectivity and the connection is directly between the 
remote and the K3.  I am not dependent upon Elecraft to maintain a system for 
managing my connections.  However, this approach also requires separate means 
to manage the KPA500 and KAT500.

The Remote Rig RC-1216H provides a web interface for the KPA500 and I use a 
second RC-1216H to control the rotor (Green Heron RT-21 managing an Orion 
Rotor).  Of course, there isn’t a panadapter remote option which would take 
uplink bandwidth. What I miss is the direct controllability of the KAT500 which 
requires the KAT500 utility to be controlled remotely.  I’ve done this using a 
Serial-to-Ethernet converter, but I don’t llke it because it requires a PC to 
run it.  I hope at some point that Remote Rig would upgrade the firmware to 
manage the KAT500 so that I can use any web-capable device (iPad, iPhone, Mac, 
PC, etc.).  

Overall, the system works very well and I’ve been using it since September 2014 
without problems.  I now keep a K3/0-Mini system at two different locations 
(Texas and New England) both of which cannot support a ham station on site.   

The Flex System overcomes some of the weaknesses of the K3 approach and of 
course it has a remote panadapter capabiity.  But it has taken Flex over five 
years to provide the remote capability at significantly higher cost and 
requires greater upload bandwidth.  SmartSDR 2.0 was introduced in 2017 which 
means for four years I could only operate the Flex-6700 when at the shack.  
Flex’s approach is dependent upon a server-based system to establish a secure 
link, a license fee if you’re upgrading from Version 1 to Version 2 or Version 
2 to (just announced) Version 3 of SmartSDR.  Flex Radio has to maintain a 
server system to control access remotely.  The PGXL amplifier can be controlled 
directly through Maestro or a PC running SmartSDR v2.xx operating from a remote 
site.  However, the “Tuner Genius”  that is promised to go with the PGXL has 
not been released, so I’m limited to using my EFHW antenna to the KAT500 and 
the K3 setup since I do need to use a tuner with it.  I will say that the 
bandwidth requirements of the Flex under the current V2.49 SmartSDR is 
significantly less than in the past so it works more reliably in “Low 
Bandwidth" mode.  I also keep a Maestro in both Texas and New England.  

Having two different remote systems with different feature sets does provide 
some advantages:

-Redundancy. In the event one system has a remote issue, I have the other to 
use as a backup.

-Flexibility.  I like to ‘listen’ so much of my time is spent listening or 
participating on nets.  The K3 setup works well since I’m not particularly 
“hunting” for signals where a panadapter would be useful.  Simply turn on the 
K3 and I’m on the last frequency I was tuned or I can enter the frequency of 
interest.  I have the tuner and amplifier as needed, and 500W is usually more 
than sufficient for my needs.The Flex is more helpful if I’m searching the 
bands with a panadapter/waterfall, but the PGXL is only helpful on 10-15-20 
where I have a yagi and don’t need to a tuner capable of handling the PGXL.  
Due to bandwidth issues, the Flex system does sometime ‘hiccup’ due to missed 
packets though this happens a lot less than previously.

-Space.  I spend 90% of my operating time running remote.  At my locations in 
Texas and New England I have the Maestro and K3/0-Mini sitting on my 30” x 60’ 
office desk by the 27” Apple Display with West Mountain Radio external speakers 
that can be used with either system.  The Remote Rig equipment, cabling, 
network ethernet switch, 120 VAC surge protected hub that powers the Remote Rig 
equipment, network switch, Maestro, Speakers, K3/0-Mini are either sitting on 
the floor or held in place with cable ties attached around the desk legs, 
out-of-the-way and out-of-sight.  Of course, the ham shack itself in Georgia is 
a different matter given the amount of equipment installed, but the 

Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Fred Massey]

It would be ideal to also include the band scope of the p3 into the
solution.  Perhaps the integration of the solution could be encapsulated
into a new P3.  The functionality of remoterig can be in the new P3, and
the P3 scope data could be sent digitally over the internet as well.

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 10:09 AM Jorge Diez (CX6VM-CW5W) <
cx6vm.jo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That’s the idea, all contained in one box, wired internally
>
> I know is possible, and already done, but never to sell it
>
> But Fred’s idea is better, just don’t know if it’s possible with actual K3
> or K3s or will need a complete  new radio
>
> 73,
> Jorge
>
>
>
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
> El 28 feb. 2019, a la(s) 11:38, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> escribió:
>
> > Back when I was traveling a lot I considered getting the old style
> K3/0(the full size one)and building all of the remote hardware into it, so
> it would be all self contained in one box.
> >
> >
> >   On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 9:12:51 AM EST, Jorge Diez - CX6VM <
> cx6vm.jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with
> > remoterig integrated inside it?
> >
> > Maybe for Dayton will have it?
> >
> > --
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> > Jorge
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Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Jorge Diez (CX6VM-CW5W)]

That’s the idea, all contained in one box, wired internally

I know is possible, and already done, but never to sell it

But Fred’s idea is better, just don’t know if it’s possible with actual K3 or 
K3s or will need a complete  new radio

73,
Jorge



Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 28 feb. 2019, a la(s) 11:38, Harry Yingst via Elecraft 
 escribió:

> Back when I was traveling a lot I considered getting the old style K3/0(the 
> full size one)and building all of the remote hardware into it, so it would be 
> all self contained in one box.
> 
> 
>   On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 9:12:51 AM EST, Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Hello
> 
> any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with
> remoterig integrated inside it?
> 
> Maybe for Dayton will have it?
> 
> -- 
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
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Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Peter Dougherty]

I couldn't agree more. I'd buy the hell out of that combination. I'd go
further, and would like to see a smaller physical sized remote for easy
traveling. Fewer physical controls but much less size and weight.

 - pjd

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Fred Massey
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2019 9:20 AM
To: Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
Cc: Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or
K4) is really needed.  The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech.
The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed.
73,
Fred
AE4ED

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini 
> with remoterig integrated inside it?
>
> Maybe for Dayton will have it?
>
> --
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
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Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

 Back when I was traveling a lot I considered getting the old style K3/0(the 
full size one)and building all of the remote hardware into it, so it would be 
all self contained in one box.


On Thursday, February 28, 2019, 9:12:51 AM EST, Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
 wrote:  
 
 Hello

any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with
remoterig integrated inside it?

Maybe for Dayton will have it?

-- 
73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W
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Re: [Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Fred Massey]

A K3/0 that could directly connect over the internet with a K3s (K3s+ or
K4) is really needed.  The remoterig is relatively difficult and old tech.
The client server architecture like flex is using is what is needed.
73,
Fred
AE4ED

On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:12 AM Jorge Diez - CX6VM 
wrote:

> Hello
>
> any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with
> remoterig integrated inside it?
>
> Maybe for Dayton will have it?
>
> --
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
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[Elecraft] new K3/0 Mini

[Jorge Diez - CX6VM]

Hello

any idea if will be a new control radio for remote? Like K3/0 Mini with
remoterig integrated inside it?

Maybe for Dayton will have it?

-- 
73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W
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[Elecraft] New K3 remote control/macro command: "TM" (TX metering mode); useful for FT8, etc.

[Wayne Burdick]

If you use K3 remote control commands, either in K-Pod macros or custom 
software, you might be interested in the latest field-test firmware release. 
We’ve added a “TM” command to set the TX bar graph mode on the LCD. This also 
affects what is read in transmit mode by the “BG” command (bar graph read).

The syntax is:

   TM0;   SWR/RF metering
   TM1;   CMP/ALC metering

Thanks to the TM command, BG can now read either the power level (with TM0 in 
effect) or ALC level (TM1). The latter may be especially useful for remote 
installations using FT8 or other audio-based data modes.

Just to recap other remote-control commands added in recent releases:

   DEnnn;  inserts a processing delay of 10 to 2550 ms (nnn = 001-255),
   useful for command pacing, especially in K-Pod macros

   ARn;RX antenna on (n=1) or off (n=0)

If you’re interested in testing this field-test release, please email me 
directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.57: Faster response to high reflected power

[Don Wilhelm]

Bill,

Download and install the latest K3 beta firmware.  The time to power 
reduction due to high SWR has been reduced substantially.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/18/2017 8:58 PM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote:

I frequently wonder just how much protection a typical SWR protection circuit
can provide against an instantaneous discontinuity if it relies totally on a
feedback approach. If the response time of the feedback circuit isn’t faster
than the risetime of the voltage at the output transistors that results from
a sudden failure, then it isn’t apparent to me how this approach can provide
reliable protection. A well-designed feedback circuit can provide adequate
protection during tune up into a high SWR.

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.57: Faster response to high reflected power

[Bill Leonard N0CU]

I frequently wonder just how much protection a typical SWR protection circuit
can provide against an instantaneous discontinuity if it relies totally on a
feedback approach. If the response time of the feedback circuit isn’t faster
than the risetime of the voltage at the output transistors that results from
a sudden failure, then it isn’t apparent to me how this approach can provide
reliable protection. A well-designed feedback circuit can provide adequate
protection during tune up into a high SWR. It can also provide adequate
protection during CW or voice modulation since the bandwidth, and therefore
the risetime, of the transmitted signal is limited by the transmitter
circuitry. However, the voltage rise due to a sudden failure in an antenna
or transmission line connection could conceivably result in a risetime in
the 100 nsec range at the drains/collectors of the output transistors. I
have never seen any specs on the response time of any SWR protection
circuit, but I would be surprised if any of them can even approach the low
nsec range. If the failure occurs when the transmitter is at full output,
then I would expect the voltage to quickly exceed the max rating on the
output transistors. This is clearly a worst-case scenario that probably
doesn’t occur very often. However, I wonder how many (if any) manufacturers
of ham transmitters have disconnected the antenna when their transmitter was
putting out full power as part of their evaluation of their SWR protection
circuit.

Bill  N0CU



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[Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.57: Faster response to high reflected power

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

K3/K3S beta firmware rev. 5.57 is now available on our K3 software page. This 
release has enhanced protection from transient events that cause high reflected 
power, such as antenna or feed-line opens or shorts. 

(Winter seems to be the season for such things, with high winds agitating 
intermittent antenna systems. In our own [brutal] testing, we set power to 
maximum, tuned into various loads, then applied dead shorts and opens 
repeatedly. No damage observed on any test unit.)

See release notes below for additional details. 

For instructions on installing beta releases, refer to our K3 software page. 
(Beta releases are not automatically recognized by K3 Utility.)

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *


MCU 5.57 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 2-16-2017
 
* FASTER RESPONSE TO HIGH REFLECTED POWER: The transceiver will now reduce 
drive much more quickly when transient conditions cause excessive reflected 
power. This roll-back in response does not change the set power level (PWR 
knob); instead, it temporarily reduces drive to get below the reflected power 
limit. This means that once a better match is restored, such as when using an 
antenna tuner, the set power level will automatically be restored.
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - looking for testers

[kevino z]

Joe, it seemed to fix it for the K3S at work. I'll do some more testing Monday. 
Please send detailed steps you performed and I'll emulate and report back. 
-Kevin (KK4YEL) 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of 
electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

> On Oct 28, 2016, at 15:48, Joe Subich, W4TV <li...@subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 10/28/2016 12:03 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote:
>> Alas, I downloaded the K3S Beta 5.65B software and installed it, but it did
>> NOT fix the muting problem for me when operating split mode with WJST-X.
> 
> In which case, HRD is probably sending some other command that changes
> DSP settings during transmit.  You will probably need to document what
> commands HRD is generating in response to WSJT-X and work with Elecraft
> to determine which of those commands results in DSP changes.  The 5.56
> beta changes were in response to documentation of commands by Commander
> and another software package with the K3.
> 
> I'd start with all commands from about 2 seconds before x:00 until x:05
> since HRD is so unpredictable and commands could be delayed or out of
> order.
> 
> *Any* application should know not to change things like split status,
> mode (including data sub-mode), sideband, transmit VFO, etc. while
> in transmit - whether directly or via an intermediary like Commander
> or HRD but, as we've seen, application programmers tend to be sloppy
> and not consider how the rig will react.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> 
>> I was using WSJT-X 1.7 dev 7005.
>> I dropped back to the public release WSJT-X 1.6 and that did not work
>> either.
>> Using HRD 6.3.0.585
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Jim - N4ST
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne
>> Burdick
>> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 12:10
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) -
>> looking for testers
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> We're looking for volunteers to test the latest K3 field-test firmware.
>> Please review the recent release notes below.
>> 
>> If you'd like to do testing because you'll be affected by these changes, or
>> if you're just interested in helping us qualify the firmware for beta
>> release, please contact me directly.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> * * *
>> 
>> K3 MCU 5.56 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-26-2016
>> 
>> * SCANNING WORKS WITH FREQUENCIES BELOW 1.0 MHz. Previously, scanning would
>> stall in this case.
>> 
>> * REDUCED K-POD MACRO FLASH TIME:  If text decode is enabled, then the
>> length of time that K-Pod macro names are flashed is greatly reduced. This
>> reduces the obstruction of text shown on VFO B.
>> 
>> * DT, FR, and FT HOST COMMANDS DISALLOWED IN TX MODE: Previously, these
>> commands (data submode, split off, and split on) could be sent to the K3
>> during transmit from software applications. This could sometimes cause side
>> effects such as muting of transmit audio in DATA modes.
>> 
>> K3 MCU 5.55 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-20-2016
>> 
>> * KPOD WORKS IN REMOTE-RIG TERMINAL MODE:  The K-Pod will now function
>> correctly with a K3 or K3/0-mini being used as a remote-rig terminal. Basic
>> functions of the K-Pod can be used, including switch tap / hold and VFO
>> A/B/offset control. LEDs and AUX outputs of the terminal K-Pod are not yet
>> supported. Note:  At present, when switches on the terminal K-Pod are used,
>> they will execute macros stored at the remote K3. This will be apparent when
>> macro names are flashed on VFO B.
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - looking for testers

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 10/28/2016 12:03 PM, Jim - N4ST wrote:

Alas, I downloaded the K3S Beta 5.65B software and installed it, but it did
NOT fix the muting problem for me when operating split mode with WJST-X.


In which case, HRD is probably sending some other command that changes
DSP settings during transmit.  You will probably need to document what
commands HRD is generating in response to WSJT-X and work with Elecraft
to determine which of those commands results in DSP changes.  The 5.56
beta changes were in response to documentation of commands by Commander
and another software package with the K3.

I'd start with all commands from about 2 seconds before x:00 until x:05
since HRD is so unpredictable and commands could be delayed or out of
order.

*Any* application should know not to change things like split status,
mode (including data sub-mode), sideband, transmit VFO, etc. while
in transmit - whether directly or via an intermediary like Commander
or HRD but, as we've seen, application programmers tend to be sloppy
and not consider how the rig will react.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV




I was using WSJT-X 1.7 dev 7005.
I dropped back to the public release WSJT-X 1.6 and that did not work
either.
Using HRD 6.3.0.585


73,
Jim - N4ST


-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne
Burdick
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 12:10
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) -
looking for testers

Hi all,

We're looking for volunteers to test the latest K3 field-test firmware.
Please review the recent release notes below.

If you'd like to do testing because you'll be affected by these changes, or
if you're just interested in helping us qualify the firmware for beta
release, please contact me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

K3 MCU 5.56 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-26-2016

* SCANNING WORKS WITH FREQUENCIES BELOW 1.0 MHz. Previously, scanning would
stall in this case.

* REDUCED K-POD MACRO FLASH TIME:  If text decode is enabled, then the
length of time that K-Pod macro names are flashed is greatly reduced. This
reduces the obstruction of text shown on VFO B.

* DT, FR, and FT HOST COMMANDS DISALLOWED IN TX MODE: Previously, these
commands (data submode, split off, and split on) could be sent to the K3
during transmit from software applications. This could sometimes cause side
effects such as muting of transmit audio in DATA modes.

K3 MCU 5.55 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-20-2016

* KPOD WORKS IN REMOTE-RIG TERMINAL MODE:  The K-Pod will now function
correctly with a K3 or K3/0-mini being used as a remote-rig terminal. Basic
functions of the K-Pod can be used, including switch tap / hold and VFO
A/B/offset control. LEDs and AUX outputs of the terminal K-Pod are not yet
supported. Note:  At present, when switches on the terminal K-Pod are used,
they will execute macros stored at the remote K3. This will be apparent when
macro names are flashed on VFO B.


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - looking for testers

[Jim - N4ST]

Alas, I downloaded the K3S Beta 5.65B software and installed it, but it did
NOT fix the muting problem for me when operating split mode with WJST-X.
I was using WSJT-X 1.7 dev 7005.
I dropped back to the public release WSJT-X 1.6 and that did not work
either.
Using HRD 6.3.0.585

 
73,
Jim - N4ST


-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne
Burdick
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 12:10
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) -
looking for testers

Hi all,

We're looking for volunteers to test the latest K3 field-test firmware.
Please review the recent release notes below.

If you'd like to do testing because you'll be affected by these changes, or
if you're just interested in helping us qualify the firmware for beta
release, please contact me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

K3 MCU 5.56 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-26-2016

* SCANNING WORKS WITH FREQUENCIES BELOW 1.0 MHz. Previously, scanning would
stall in this case.

* REDUCED K-POD MACRO FLASH TIME:  If text decode is enabled, then the
length of time that K-Pod macro names are flashed is greatly reduced. This
reduces the obstruction of text shown on VFO B.

* DT, FR, and FT HOST COMMANDS DISALLOWED IN TX MODE: Previously, these
commands (data submode, split off, and split on) could be sent to the K3
during transmit from software applications. This could sometimes cause side
effects such as muting of transmit audio in DATA modes.

K3 MCU 5.55 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-20-2016

* KPOD WORKS IN REMOTE-RIG TERMINAL MODE:  The K-Pod will now function
correctly with a K3 or K3/0-mini being used as a remote-rig terminal. Basic
functions of the K-Pod can be used, including switch tap / hold and VFO
A/B/offset control. LEDs and AUX outputs of the terminal K-Pod are not yet
supported. Note:  At present, when switches on the terminal K-Pod are used,
they will execute macros stored at the remote K3. This will be apparent when
macro names are flashed on VFO B. 


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[Elecraft] New K3 firmware with minor bug fixes (rev. 5.56) - looking for testers

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

We're looking for volunteers to test the latest K3 field-test firmware. Please 
review the recent release notes below.

If you'd like to do testing because you'll be affected by these changes, or if 
you're just interested in helping us qualify the firmware for beta release, 
please contact me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

K3 MCU 5.56 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-26-2016

* SCANNING WORKS WITH FREQUENCIES BELOW 1.0 MHz. Previously, scanning would 
stall in this case.

* REDUCED K-POD MACRO FLASH TIME:  If text decode is enabled, then the length 
of time that K-Pod macro names are flashed is greatly reduced. This reduces the 
obstruction of text shown on VFO B.

* DT, FR, and FT HOST COMMANDS DISALLOWED IN TX MODE: Previously, these 
commands (data submode, split off, and split on) could be sent to the K3 during 
transmit from software applications. This could sometimes cause side effects 
such as muting of transmit audio in DATA modes.

K3 MCU 5.55 / DSP 2.88 / FPF 1.26, 10-20-2016

* KPOD WORKS IN REMOTE-RIG TERMINAL MODE:  The K-Pod will now function 
correctly with a K3 or K3/0-mini being used as a remote-rig terminal. Basic 
functions of the K-Pod can be used, including switch tap / hold and VFO 
A/B/offset control. LEDs and AUX outputs of the terminal K-Pod are not yet 
supported. Note:  At present, when switches on the terminal K-Pod are used, 
they will execute macros stored at the remote K3. This will be apparent when 
macro names are flashed on VFO B. 


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[Elecraft] New K3/K3S firmware allows remote use of K-Pod

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

Our K-Pod control unit can now be used with a K3 or K3/0 that is acting as a 
remote terminal for a K3 at another location. (This applies equally to the K3S, 
at either end.)

Here's the applicable release note:

* * *

K3 MCU 5.55 

* KPOD WORKS IN REMOTE-RIG TERMINAL MODE:  The K-Pod will now function 
correctly with a K3 or K3/0-mini being used as a remote-rig terminal. Basic 
functions of the K-Pod can be used, including switch tap / hold and VFO 
A/B/offset control. LEDs and AUX outputs of the terminal K-Pod are not yet 
supported. Note:  At present, when switches on the terminal K-Pod are used, 
they will execute macros stored at the remote K3. This will be apparent when 
macro names are flashed on VFO B. 

* * *

If you're interested in testing this new capability, please email me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Utility with support for K-Pod Macros on web site

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Workin' on it. We have to do the Windows version first and then translate it to 
Mac and Linux.. That takes several weeks more.


Eric
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On 7/5/2016 3:54 PM, Elliott Lawrence wrote:

No support for Mac yet??
Elliott WA6TLA

On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft  
wrote:


Version 1.16.6.25 of the K3 Utility, which adds additional support for macros 
used by the K-Pod, is now up on the web page at:
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm#k3util

73,

Eric
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Utility with support for K-Pod Macros on web site

[Elliott Lawrence]

No support for Mac yet??
Elliott WA6TLA

On Jul 5, 2016, at 3:40 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft  
wrote:

> Version 1.16.6.25 of the K3 Utility, which adds additional support for macros 
> used by the K-Pod, is now up on the web page at:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm#k3util
> 
> 73,
> 
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[Elecraft] New K3 Utility with support for K-Pod Macros on web site

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Version 1.16.6.25 of the K3 Utility, which adds additional support for macros 
used by the K-Pod, is now up on the web page at:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm#k3util

73,

Eric
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[Elecraft] New K3/K3S firmware handles CR/LF characters in RTTY and PSK modes

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

We're looking for a few testers for the latest K3/K3S field-test firmware. This 
rev fulfills a long-standing request to properly handle carriage-return (CR) 
and line-feed (LF) characters in our built-in data modes, FSK-D and PSK-D. CR 
and LF characters are used for screen formatting, automatic spotting sequences, 
etc. 

FSK-D and PSK-D modes use the radio's DSP for encode/decode, with text input 
provided via an attached CW keyer paddle, a keyboard connected to a P3, or from 
any computer application that can send remote control commands to the radio. 
One of these applications is K3 Utility. It includes a Terminal screen that 
works in RTTY/PSK31/CW modes. (We have a bit more work to do in K3 Utility to 
handle CR & LF characters in transmit mode, as I'll explain in my instructions 
for using the new firmware.)

This release also fixes a recently discovered PTT bug. Unexpected ERR PTT and 
ERR KEY messages were being displayed if the operator activated PTT, then 
tapped A/B, etc.

If you have time to test these improvements in the short term -- preferably 
this weekend, so we can go to beta next week -- please contact me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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[Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.33: Diversity mode works with mixed filters; Safe option for PTT-KEY via USB; etc.

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

K3/K3S beta firmware rev. 5.33 is now available on our K3 software page. This 
release corrects a problem with diversity mode when used with the KSYN3A 
synthesizer; now, any combination of crystal filters can be used on the main 
and sub receivers. It also improves the way PTT and KEY activation work via the 
new USB port on the K3S.

In addition, there are a few important enhancements for K3/K3S software 
application developers. In conjunction with this, we've posted a new edition of 
the K3S/K3/KX3 Programmer's Reference (rev. F2).

See release notes below for full details. For instructions on installing beta 
releases, refer to our K3 software page.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

MCU 5.33 / DSP 2.86 / FPF 1.23, 8-3-2015

* DIVERSITY WORKS WITH MISMATCHED MAIN/SUB RX FILTERS:  Diversity mode in the 
K3S (or a K3 with the KSYN3A installed) now works with any combination of 
main/sub RX crystal filters. They can have different bandwidths or offsets, and 
it's not necessary to have an equal number of filters in each receiver. Note: 
Matched filters are optimal for diversity, but non-matched filters will still 
perform well.

* PTT/KEY USE WITH THE USB PORT IMPROVED:  PC applications can activate PTT and 
KEY at the K3S via the USB port's RTS/DTR signals. However, initial setup of 
the rig's USB port by the PC may cause pulsed or continuous activation of the 
transmitter. This can happen if the computer is turned on after the K3S, or if 
the USB cable is not connected. There is now a Safe mode (the default) which 
disables PTT-KEY transmit until the K3S receives a command via USB, such as a 
read of the rig's VFO frequency. To turn on safe mode on/off, go into 
CONFIG:PTT-KEY and tap '1' to select USB SAFE or UNSAFE. Exit the menu and 
turn the K3S off/on. Applications that use PTT-KEY via USB but never send 
commands may require UNSAFE mode. In this case, unwanted transmit can be 
avoided by turning the PC on before the K3S.

* CANCELLING UNEXPECTED PTT-KEY ACTIVATION:  If an external source (usually a 
PC) activates PTT or KEY unexpectedly, you can cancel transmit by tapping the 
XMIT switch. This will show ERR KEY or ERR PTT on VFO B. Once the PTT or KEY 
source as been removed, transmit will be re-enabled. If the cause may be 
unneeded PTT-KEY activation via the USB port, go into the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu 
entry and set the parameter to OFF-OFF.

For Application Developers (also see Programmer's Reference, rev. F2):

* PARAMETER ADJUSTMENT VIA UP and DN COMMANDS:  UP and DN now apply to all 
settings adjusted using VFO A/B, including: NB, NR, manual notch, pitch, and 
text decode . (It also still applies to the menu.) It does NOT apply to special 
displays controlled by VFO B (use DB), or to settings controlled by the small 
encoders.

* OM (OPTION MODULE) COMMAND CHANGES:  Three new single-letter fields have been 
added to the OM command:  'L' (low-noise amp/preamp2 available on present 
band), 'V' (KSYN3A installed, allowing the VFO to tune down to 100 kHz), and 
'R' (K3S RF board in use; see impact on RA command, below). Note that 'L' 
(preamp 2) only applies on 12/10/6 meters. Preamp 2 is located on the new KXV3B 
module.

* RA (ATTENUATOR) COMMAND FORMAT CHANGE: If a K3S RF board is in use 
(determined using the OM command, above), the set/response format of the RA 
command uses dB values  (RA00/05/10/15). The K3 format is still RA00/01. Note:  
5 and 15 dB attenuator settings only apply to the main RX. The sub RX 
attenuator is 10 dB, even in the K3S. But if a K3S RF board is detected, the 
sub RX RA format is RA00/10. 

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[ke9uw]

As for the K3, updates will continue to be for both, I think, and it's worth
checking to make sure the K3 doesn't suffer because of the specific K3S
additions or changes...even if the update does not add anything for the K3.



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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[Chester Alderman]

I am not 100% sure of this, but I believe firmware updates are loaded to the
Elecraft web page and it is up to us to check for them. I think Wayne's
announcement for 5.26 is a 'special' case. I'm sure someone will correct me
if this is incorrect.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Hisashi T Fujinaka
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2015 12:16 AM
To: Phil Wheeler
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S
and upgraded modules

Sorry to be a pest, but can someone look at the email headers of Wayne's
announcement and see if there's something odd? For some reason I never get
his firmware announcements and I don't even see anhything likely at the mail
server.

Can someone send me the headers?

Thanks.


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[Phil Wheeler]

Exactly :-)

That's why I asked about K3 impacts of this beta 
software. I only beta test functions which I can 
test (for radios) within those I use when 
operating--and especially those for which i have a 
need. The recent Fixed-Tune mode add to the PX3 
comes to mind.


Phil W7OX

On 5/20/15 9:15 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:

Then you should not beta test.

Hopefully someone else will, and they'll catch 
any bugs that might affect you in the future.


73 -- Lynn

On 5/20/2015 8:04 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
I didn't purchase my Elecraft products to 
contribute to the greater good. Nor do I plan 
to spend time loading software from which I 
will see a change only if there was a problem 
in that particular beta version (which has 
happened).


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[Wayne Burdick]

The present firmware release has very little impact on the K3, but it is still 
important to test each release to make sure we didn't break anything. We've had 
some positive reports in that regard, so no need for everyone to load it.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On May 20, 2015, at 11:00 AM, Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com wrote:

 That's my interpretation, Ross. Just asking Wayne for confirmation.
 
 Hmmm .. but I wonder if anyone has been able to add such items to their K3 as 
 yet? They were announced a week ago, and my impression is that they may be in 
 short supply for K3 usage for a while.
 
 Phil W7OX
 
 On 5/20/15 10:29 AM, Ross Primrose wrote:
 The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF you add any of the newly 
 upgraded K3S pieces to your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or KAT3A. 
 
 73, Ross N4RP 
 
 On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: 
 Wayne, 
 
 It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware will have on the K3. All 
 the specifics listed below appear to be K3S related. 
 
 I usually load beta versions *only* if the test/change relates to some 
 feature I really want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me to load it. 
 
 Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved performance, 
 functionality, etc.? 
 
 73, Phil W7OX 
 
 On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: 
 Hi all, 
 
 K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. This 
 is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded into 
 either transceiver using K3 Utility. 
 
 Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the 
 various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes below. 
 (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual and other 
 documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any firmware testing 
 you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded modules. 
 
 73, 
 Wayne 
 N6KR 
 
 * * * 
 
 K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26 
 
 * USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): 
 If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the CONFIG:RS232 
 menu entry will have a USB setting. If this setting is used, then a 
 single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a computer to provide 
 remote control, digitized line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY (via 
 equivalents to the RTS and DTR signals). All of these signals are 
 usually recognized by computer applications that also support RS232. This 
 eliminates the need for a sound card and associated analog line in/out 
 cables, as well as any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's 
 manual, pgs. 18-20, for details. 
 
 * NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is 
 installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its 
 RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are available for 
 this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be connected via USB or 
 RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S owner's manual for details (pg. 
 18 and 19). 
 
 * LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted 
 into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the 
 digitized audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on 
 the K3S, however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used 
 for line-out. 
 
 * PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is only 
 applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the K3S). It also 
 only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set 
 to ON, then the PRE switch rotates through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 
 2 on the applicable band. PRE 2  turns on the low-noise preamp on the 
 KXV3B module (+20 dB, with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). 
 When PRE 2 is selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use 
 an external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using 
 the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in excessive 
 gain. . 
 
 * MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): 
 On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the per-band 
 attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of 
 accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN switch for about 3 seconds. 
 (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 dB.) 
 
 * LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU option, 
 the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an additional relay. 
 The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU 
 icon OFF. This setting can be used with closely matched antennas. 
 (Bypass mode on the earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C 
 network setting rather than a relay, result in a small dissipation loss 
 that varies with frequency.) 
 
 * 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade 
 from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has a cutoff at 
 100 kHz 

Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[Oliver Dröse]

Am 20.05.2015 um 02:29 schrieb Wayne Burdick:

* LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into 
the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized 
audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, 
however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out.


I can already see the Help! I don't get any audio from my USB 
connection! emails on the reflector. ;-)


Wayne: If you're ever going to redesign the I/O module again (KIO3C 
anyone? ;-)) please make that a menu selection and also store different 
settings, i.e. line/mic gain for USB audio and line/mic gain for the 3,5 
mm connection. That's one of the really neat things I like on a friend's 
TS-590. ;-)


73, Olli - DH8BQA



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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[Ross Primrose]

The K3S FAQ indicates that the KXV3B, KAT3A  KBPF3A are available now.  
I can't confirm or deny the accuracy of that.  But, I believe you'd need 
the new beta firmware for any of those.


73, Ross N4RP

On 5/20/2015 2:00 PM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

That's my interpretation, Ross. Just asking Wayne for confirmation.

Hmmm .. but I wonder if anyone has been able to add such items to 
their K3 as yet? They were announced a week ago, and my impression is 
that they may be in short supply for K3 usage for a while.


Phil W7OX

On 5/20/15 10:29 AM, Ross Primrose wrote:
The new firmware would be required for a K3 IF you add any of the 
newly upgraded K3S pieces to your K3, such as the new KIO3, KXV3B or 
KAT3A.


73, Ross N4RP

On 5/20/2015 10:32 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:

Wayne,

It's unclear what impact, if any, this firmware will have on the K3. 
All the specifics listed below appear to be K3S related.


I usually load beta versions *only* if the test/change relates to 
some feature I really want. If no changes for K3, no reason for me 
to load it.


Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for improved 
performance, functionality, etc.?


73, Phil W7OX

On 5/19/15 5:29 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi all,

K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software 
page. This is the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be 
loaded into either transceiver using K3 Utility.


Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the 
various updated internal modules, as described in the release notes 
below. (Further details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual 
and other documents as they are made available.) We appreciate any 
firmware testing you might do on a K3, with or without any upgraded 
modules.


73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26

* USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, 
KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the 
CONFIG:RS232 menu entry will have a USB setting. If this setting 
is used, then a single USB cable can be used between the K3S and a 
computer to provide remote control, digitized line-level audio 
in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the RTS and DTR 
signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer 
applications that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for 
a sound card and associated analog line in/out cables, as well as 
any external converter units. Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 
18-20, for details.


* NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module 
is installed, then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S 
at its RS232/P3 connector (RJ45). Two different special cables are 
available for this purpose, depending on whether a computer will be 
connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. Refer to the K3S 
owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19).


* LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is 
inserted into the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will 
override the digitized audio line-in data that is present in the 
USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, however, is always available even 
if the USB cable is being used for line-out.


* PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry 
is only applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with 
the K3S). It also only applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 
meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, then the PRE switch rotates 
through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the applicable band. 
PRE 2  turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 dB, 
with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is 
selected, the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an 
external preamplifier (such as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when 
using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). This would result in 
excessive gain. .


* MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF 
BOARD): On a K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the 
per-band attenuation level for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A 
shortcut method of accessing this menu entry is to hold the ATTN 
switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter is fixed at 10 
dB.)


* LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU 
option, the KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an 
additional relay. The bypass relay is engaged when the ATU switch 
is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This setting can be used with 
closely matched antennas. (Bypass mode on the earlier model KAT3 
ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a relay, 
result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.)


* 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an 
upgrade from the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A 
has a cutoff at 100 kHz rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical 
sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) to about -120 dBm, and at 472 
kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm.


* UPDATED PA (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL 

Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[Bob]

Hi Milverton,

Well I'm old and my grandmother who was always good at repeating those 
witticisms used to say, making mountains out of mole hills.   Her way

of saying not important.

73,
Bob
K2TKex KN2TKR (1956  K2TKR

On 5/20/2015 1:05 PM, Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:

K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page.


Wayne clearly states  BETA
{ I load those only if they provide some new benefit }

Then WHY the Fuss?
If you had a ICOM, and you send it in for repair, upon return, the Firmware was 
updated.Would you query the content of the update? And! What are the benefits 
to you?

What is the saying about an Ant hill and a Mountain?

73 Milverton / W9MMS.

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[bs usb]

Milverton M. Swire via Elecraft wrote:
What is the saying about an Ant hill and a Mountain? 73 
Milverton /


Don't you mean Mole Hill?
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[Bayard Coolidge, N1HO via Elecraft]

Professional software QC engineers refer to
this as regression testing, to ensure that
the software involved continues to operate as
it did in the previous release as tested/released
on the available hardware at that time.

There are no documented changes for the K3, therefore
you should not see any difference in the behavior of a
K3 when testing this beta firmware on it.

If you do not wish to test a beta deployment of an
upcoming firmware release, then don't install and test it.

If you'd like to help Elecraft verify that the changes made
to the firmware behave as expected, then I'm sure they'd
appreciate it if you'd install it and try it out.

I just wish Yahoo! would do the same thing for its mail software!
(I continually see problems in the formatting of my posts
the list from my Yahoo! web account; please bear with me/it)

73 de N1HO
  From: Phil Wheeler w...@socal.rr.com
Is there any reason a K3 needs this version for 
improved performance, functionality, etc.?


  
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[Elecraft] New K3/K3S Beta Firmware, rev. 5.26: Support for K3S and upgraded modules

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

K3 beta firmware rev. 5.26 is now available on our K3 software page. This is 
the first combined K3/K3S firmware release. It can be loaded into either 
transceiver using K3 Utility.

Some firmware features and changes apply only to the K3S, or to the various 
updated internal modules, as described in the release notes below. (Further 
details will be provided in the K3S owner's manual and other documents as they 
are made available.) We appreciate any firmware testing you might do on a K3, 
with or without any upgraded modules.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

K3/K3S MCU rev. 5.26

* USB COMPUTER PORT FOR COMBINED CONTROL and DIGITAL AUDIO (K3S, KIO3B): If a 
KIO3B module is installed (standard with the K3S), the CONFIG:RS232 menu entry 
will have a USB setting. If this setting is used, then a single USB cable can 
be used between the K3S and a computer to provide remote control, digitized 
line-level audio in/out, and PTT/KEY (via equivalents to the RTS and DTR 
signals). All of these signals are usually recognized by computer applications 
that also support RS232. This eliminates the need for a sound card and 
associated analog line in/out cables, as well as any external converter units. 
Refer to the K3S owner's manual, pgs. 18-20, for details.

* NEW P3 PANADAPTER CABLE SUPPORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a KIO3B module is installed, 
then the P3 Panadapter must be connected to the K3S at its RS232/P3 connector 
(RJ45). Two different special cables are available for this purpose, depending 
on whether a computer will be connected via USB or RS232 to the K3S and P3. 
Refer to the K3S owner's manual for details (pg. 18 and 19).

* LINE IN/OUT AUDIO USE WITH USB PORT (K3S, KIO3B): If a plug is inserted into 
the LINE IN jack on the K3S, this audio signal will override the digitized 
audio line-in data that is present in the USB cable. LINE OUT on the K3S, 
however, is always available even if the USB cable is being used for line-out.

* PREAMP 2 and CONFIG:PREAMP2 MENU ENTRY (KXV3B): This menu entry is only 
applicable if a KXV3B module is installed (supplied with the K3S). It also only 
applies if the current band is 12, 10, or 6 meters. If PREAMP2 is set to ON, 
then the PRE switch rotates through settings of OFF, PRE 1, and PRE 2 on the 
applicable band. PRE 2  turns on the low-noise preamp on the KXV3B module (+20 
dB, with a typical NF of -144 dBm on 12/10/6 meters). When PRE 2 is selected, 
the PRE icon will flash slowly. Note: Do not use an external preamplifier (such 
as an Elecraft PR6 or PR6-10) when using the built-in low-noise preamp (PRE 2). 
This would result in excessive gain. .

* MULTIPLE ATTENUATOR SETTINGS and MAIN:ATTEN MENU ENTRY (K3S RF BOARD): On a 
K3S, the MAIN:ATTEN menu entry is used to select the per-band attenuation level 
for the ATTN switch (5/10/15 dB). A shortcut method of accessing this menu 
entry is to hold the ATTN switch for about 3 seconds. (On a K3, the parameter 
is fixed at 10 dB.)

* LOW-LOSS ATU BYPASS SETTING (KAT3A): The upgraded internal ATU option, the 
KAT3A, includes a very low-loss bypass path via an additional relay. The bypass 
relay is engaged when the ATU switch is used to turn the ATU icon OFF. This 
setting can be used with closely matched antennas. (Bypass mode on the 
earlier model KAT3 ATU uses a minimum-L/minimum-C network setting rather than a 
relay, result in a small dissipation loss that varies with frequency.)

* 100-500 KHZ SENSITIVITY IMPROVEMENT (KBPF3A): The KBPF3A is an upgrade from 
the KBPF3. The lowest-frequency filter in the KBPF3A has a cutoff at 100 kHz 
rather than 500 kHz. This improves typical sensitivity at 137 kHz (2200 meters) 
to about -120 dBm, and at 472 kHz (600 meters), about -130 dBm.

* UPDATED PA (PREAMP) REMOTE-CONTROL COMMAND (KXV3B): The PA command now 
supports a SET/RESPONSE value of PA2 whenever preamp 2 is available. This 
applies on 12/10/6 meters with a KXV3B module installed and preamp 2 enabled 
(see CONFIG:PREAMP2 description, above).


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[Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer Boards

[Roy Morris]

The other day I called Elecraft on another matter, and while I had them on
the phone I asked to speak to a K3 technician about the new synthesizer
installation.  I was transferred to Howard who asked me to tap DISP and
scroll through the menu items.  When I did I found two new displays:  SYN 1
OK and SYN 2 OK.  This verified my new synthesizer boards were plugged in
correctly and the TMP cables were installed correctly.  Thanks Howard.  I do
not know if SYN 1 OK appears if only one KSYN3A board is installed (KRX3 not
installed).  Roy  W4WFB

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer now requires multiple boots

[Ken K3IU]

Mack:
I would suggest that before you contact Support you verify 
that all of the TMP interconnect cables are snugly and 
completely in place.

73, Ken K3IU


On 3/20/2015 9:30 AM, W4CCS wrote:

Mack:

I have not seen this problem.. Yes, I would contact tech support..

W4CCS


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Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 7:56 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer now requires multiple boots

I installed the new synthesizer and for the past couple of days my K3
requires me to cycle the power button about a dozen times to get signals.
The K3 boots normally and there isn't an error displayed but there are no
signals present on the radio. I'm running the latest firmware: MCU 5.14 /
DSP 2.83 / FPF 1.19, 2/26/2015.

Is anyone else seeing this behavior or is it time for me to call Elecraft?

Mack
W4AX



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[Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer now requires multiple boots

[mackmc]

I installed the new synthesizer and for the past couple of days my K3
requires me to cycle the power button about a dozen times to get signals.
The K3 boots normally and there isn't an error displayed but there are no
signals present on the radio. I'm running the latest firmware: MCU 5.14 /
DSP 2.83 / FPF 1.19, 2/26/2015. 

Is anyone else seeing this behavior or is it time for me to call Elecraft?

Mack
W4AX



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Mack
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer now requires multiple boots

[W4CCS]

Mack:

I have not seen this problem.. Yes, I would contact tech support..

W4CCS


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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of mackmc
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2015 7:56 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer now requires multiple boots

I installed the new synthesizer and for the past couple of days my K3
requires me to cycle the power button about a dozen times to get signals.
The K3 boots normally and there isn't an error displayed but there are no
signals present on the radio. I'm running the latest firmware: MCU 5.14 /
DSP 2.83 / FPF 1.19, 2/26/2015. 

Is anyone else seeing this behavior or is it time for me to call Elecraft?

Mack
W4AX



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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Doug Turnbull]

Dear OMs,
I will be upgrading my K3s but it seems that people often do not pay the
full value of a used radio loaded with options.So adding options and or
upgrades is hardly going to enhance the radio value by more than the cost of
the option or upgrade.

 It is probably the case that a basic 100 Watt K3 is the easiest K3 for
which to find a purchaser and thus maybe the radio which recoups the
greatest percentage of the purchase price.Not having the SYN board would
not significantly affect my decision to purchase.It could always be
added later.

   73 Doug EI2CN

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Chester Alderman
Sent: 02 March 2015 14:40
To: 'Charlie T, K3ICH'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

H...I don't quite agree with Guy's assessment of the upgrades.

IMO, the upgrade synthesizer is supposed to be an improvement if 1) you need
better full CW QSK, and 2) if you need to copy very weak close-in CW signals
in the presence of S9+ signals and/or if you do a lot of contesting. The
basic K3 handles both of these criteria pretty well, comparatively speaking
(look at the Sherwood data), and the quoted '$600' difference is strictly a
user's option. I just sold my five year old K3 with the understanding that I
was selling the buyer a darned good radio (that did not have the new
upgrades) and I don't think the buyer was short-changed at all.
Just my opinion of course!

73,
Tom - W4BQF



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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 8:31 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

Good point Guy.

That's why a Round Emblem Collins S-Line is worth much more than the
Winged Emblem version, even so quite a few say a particular early *
receiver is actually better than their newer ones.

Does it have the latest mods? is a very pertinent question when offering a
K3 for sale.

Every time the Big-Three comes out with a new radio, the street value of
old one drops 10% to 30%.

I agree with Elecraft's philosophy. I have an early K3 that is identical in
performance with S/N 9XXX.

73, Charlie k3ICH


* Winged 75S-3 vs. a Round 75S-3B

- Original Message -
From: Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com
To: drewko drew...@verizon.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn


 One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on
 K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first
 questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me,
 without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating
 for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec.

 It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly
 not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it
 back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it.

 And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an
 upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit 
 problem
 was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there
 are some.

 Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total
 rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase
 to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business
 strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way.

 If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not
 becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value.

 Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how
 good is that.

 And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of
 proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were
 customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that.

 Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is 
 short
 term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose
 sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer.

 73, Guy K2AV

 On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:

 Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after
 recordings.

 Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero
 while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone
 in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of
 clicks and pops without distraction.

 73,
 Drew
 AF2Z


 On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote:

 Don, all,
 Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already
 excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved
 QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense
 of a little

Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[John Fritze]

I installed the new K3 synthesizers in my rig today.  Install went very
easy even without a cat (or in my case a dog) on my lap.  I am pretty much
a SSB and Digi operator.  I did tune around a bit looking for a couple of
SSB signals that were right on top of each other to see if I could hear any
difference from before.  My impression is that my K3 is quieter over all
(almost urban environment with a lot of RFI), and I felt that I could more
easily copy one signal over another closely spaced signal.  I didn't seem
to hear that rumble from another station even though it was only a few KCs
away.  Does this make sense?  I will give the receivers a good work out
this weekend but my first impression is very favorable.

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Chester Alderman]

H...I don't quite agree with Guy's assessment of the upgrades.

IMO, the upgrade synthesizer is supposed to be an improvement if 1) you need
better full CW QSK, and 2) if you need to copy very weak close-in CW signals
in the presence of S9+ signals and/or if you do a lot of contesting. The
basic K3 handles both of these criteria pretty well, comparatively speaking
(look at the Sherwood data), and the quoted '$600' difference is strictly a
user's option. I just sold my five year old K3 with the understanding that I
was selling the buyer a darned good radio (that did not have the new
upgrades) and I don't think the buyer was short-changed at all.
Just my opinion of course!

73,
Tom - W4BQF



-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2015 8:31 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

Good point Guy.

That's why a Round Emblem Collins S-Line is worth much more than the
Winged Emblem version, even so quite a few say a particular early *
receiver is actually better than their newer ones.

Does it have the latest mods? is a very pertinent question when offering a
K3 for sale.

Every time the Big-Three comes out with a new radio, the street value of
old one drops 10% to 30%.

I agree with Elecraft's philosophy. I have an early K3 that is identical in
performance with S/N 9XXX.

73, Charlie k3ICH


* Winged 75S-3 vs. a Round 75S-3B

- Original Message -
From: Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com
To: drewko drew...@verizon.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn


 One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on
 K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first
 questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me,
 without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating
 for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec.

 It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly
 not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it
 back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it.

 And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an
 upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit 
 problem
 was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there
 are some.

 Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total
 rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase
 to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business
 strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way.

 If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not
 becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value.

 Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how
 good is that.

 And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of
 proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were
 customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that.

 Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is 
 short
 term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose
 sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer.

 73, Guy K2AV

 On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:

 Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after
 recordings.

 Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero
 while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone
 in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of
 clicks and pops without distraction.

 73,
 Drew
 AF2Z


 On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote:

 Don, all,
 Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already
 excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved
 QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense
 of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create 
 and
 make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW
 circa 30-40 WPM?  Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the
 decision to buy.
 Thanks  73,
 John K1JD
 Santa Fe, NM
 

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Good point Guy.

That's why a Round Emblem Collins S-Line is worth much more than the 
Winged Emblem version, even so quite a few say a particular early * 
receiver is actually better than their newer ones.


Does it have the latest mods? is a very pertinent question when offering a 
K3 for sale.


Every time the Big-Three comes out with a new radio, the street value of 
old one drops 10% to 30%.


I agree with Elecraft's philosophy. I have an early K3 that is identical in 
performance with S/N 9XXX.


73, Charlie k3ICH


* Winged 75S-3 vs. a Round 75S-3B

- Original Message - 
From: Guy Olinger K2AV k2av@gmail.com

To: drewko drew...@verizon.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 3:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn



One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on
K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first
questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me,
without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating
for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec.

It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly
not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it
back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it.

And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an
upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit 
problem

was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there
are some.

Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total
rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase
to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business
strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way.

If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not
becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value.

Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how
good is that.

And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of
proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were
customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that.

Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is 
short

term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose
sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:


Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after
recordings.

Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero
while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone
in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of
clicks and pops without distraction.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote:

Don, all,
Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already
excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved
QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense
of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create 
and

make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW
circa 30-40 WPM?  Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the
decision to buy.
Thanks  73,
John K1JD
Santa Fe, NM


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Guy Olinger K2AV]

One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on
K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first
questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me,
without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating
for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec.

It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly
not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it
back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it.

And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an
upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit problem
was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there
are some.

Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total
rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase
to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business
strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way.

If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not
becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value.

Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how
good is that.

And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of
proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were
customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that.

Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is short
term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose
sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:

 Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after
 recordings.

 Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero
 while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone
 in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of
 clicks and pops without distraction.

 73,
 Drew
 AF2Z


 On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote:

 Don, all,
 Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already
 excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved
 QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense
 of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and
 make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW
 circa 30-40 WPM?  Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the
 decision to buy.
 Thanks  73,
 John K1JD
 Santa Fe, NM
 

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[David Gilbert]

Please explain the advantage of spending all that money now instead of 
potentially spending it several years from now when you might ... might 
... want to sell the rig.  Buying the new synths now because you want 
the better performance makes perfect sense ... buying them now purely to 
avoid buying them later makes no sense to me at all.


Dave  AB7E


On 3/2/2015 1:31 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:

One thing that people need to remember when making a purchase decision on
K3 upgrades, is that in the future, wanting to sell a K3, one of the first
questions will be whether the rig has the newer synthesizer(s). For me,
without, that would be a $300 derating for single RX and a $600 derating
for the old boards. Cost plus inconvenience to bring it up to spec.

It's like selling a K3 that has only a few of the mods, and particularly
not having the new audio board. Someone buys it and immediately sends it
back to the factory to be brought up to date, if they buy it.

And then of course there are the unintended positive side benefits of an
upgrade, like the much clearer audio when the AGC significant digit problem
was fixed. Don't know what they are this time around, but I'm sure there
are some.

Beyond that, there is the profit angle, where a small percentage of total
rig value is invested to bring it up to date, avoiding a new rig purchase
to obtain same. Your purchase of upgrade materials rewards that business
strategy and helps insure they keep doing business that way.

If that were not enough, it maintains the reputation of a rig as not
becoming obsolete, vastly improving its resale value.

Seven year old radio, as modified, still at the top of the heap. Just how
good is that.

And still more, that means that any new Elecraft rig will build on top of
proven CURRENT firmware and hardware knowledge, there because there were
customer purchases to support it. The KX3 is a very clear example of that.

Yeah it's certainly YOUR pocketbook and not mine, but hanging back is short
term strategy and what I'm talking about is long term strategy. Don't lose
sight of the long term. Support your radio manufacturer.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 10:17 AM, drewko drew...@verizon.net wrote:


Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after
recordings.

Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero
while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone
in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of
clicks and pops without distraction.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote:


Don, all,
Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already

excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved
QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense
of a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and
make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW
circa 30-40 WPM?  Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the
decision to buy.

Thanks  73,
John K1JD
Santa Fe, NM


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

Check all the coaxial cables that plug into the boards and front panel.  
Make sure they go the right places.  I would also check the way you have 
decided to handle the coax going to the coax chassis connector SO239.  
There are a couple of ways to do this depending on your options.


Mike W0MU

On 3/1/2015 3:45 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:

Ok, checked the RX ANT switch.   It was not on.  I did connect an antenna to 
the RX ANT jack and switched to it, but no difference.

Not sure what is wrong where.   In any case, there is very little sensitivity 
in the K3 at this point.

Don't know what to check.  I have gone back through the best I can... seems 
everything was done correctly.

Very careful about ESD.

Joe



From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:38 PM
To: Joe Moffatt
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.

Joe,

Do you have a KXV3 module installed? You may be switched to the RX antenna.

Wayne
N6KR

On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:48 AM, joemoffatt 
j...@selectconnect.netmailto:j...@selectconnect.net%3e wrote:


Everything in the manual checked out ok. I am at the stage before putting in
the 100 watt PA. Just checking things out. I have the IF Out board, but
that's about it. No ATU. Setup filters, etc. But, I have only about S1
on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals. Even WWV
is poor. This is on a known good antenna/coax.

Anyhow, just wondering what to check. I haven't set the REF OSC yet because
I can't get a strong enough signal to do it.

Ideas? I thought I was sailing along smoothly.

Thanks,

joe





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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.

[Joe Moffatt]

Ok, checked the RX ANT switch.   It was not on.  I did connect an antenna to 
the RX ANT jack and switched to it, but no difference.

Not sure what is wrong where.   In any case, there is very little sensitivity 
in the K3 at this point.

Don't know what to check.  I have gone back through the best I can... seems 
everything was done correctly.

Very careful about ESD.

Joe



From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:38 PM
To: Joe Moffatt
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.

Joe,

Do you have a KXV3 module installed? You may be switched to the RX antenna.

Wayne
N6KR

On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:48 AM, joemoffatt 
j...@selectconnect.netmailto:j...@selectconnect.net%3e wrote:

 Everything in the manual checked out ok. I am at the stage before putting in
 the 100 watt PA. Just checking things out. I have the IF Out board, but
 that's about it. No ATU. Setup filters, etc. But, I have only about S1
 on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals. Even WWV
 is poor. This is on a known good antenna/coax.

 Anyhow, just wondering what to check. I haven't set the REF OSC yet because
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 Ideas? I thought I was sailing along smoothly.

 Thanks,

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.

[Hisashi T Fujinaka]

I had something similar, but I was most likely using the wrong antenna.
I heard nothing (the bands were probably dead, and I couldn't even hear
the local AM stations. I checked the weird coax cables, loaded the
latest beta firmware, and then everything started to work. I may have
even worked 3G0ZC (though he first miscopied my call as K7EMS instead of
K7EMI so I'm not all that certain).

On Sun, 1 Mar 2015, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:

Check all the coaxial cables that plug into the boards and front panel.  Make 
sure they go the right places.  I would also check the way you have decided 
to handle the coax going to the coax chassis connector SO239.  There are a 
couple of ways to do this depending on your options.


Mike W0MU

On 3/1/2015 3:45 PM, Joe Moffatt wrote:
Ok, checked the RX ANT switch.   It was not on.  I did connect an antenna 
to the RX ANT jack and switched to it, but no difference.


Not sure what is wrong where.   In any case, there is very little 
sensitivity in the K3 at this point.


Don't know what to check.  I have gone back through the best I can... seems 
everything was done correctly.


Very careful about ESD.

Joe



From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n...@elecraft.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2015 12:38 PM
To: Joe Moffatt
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.

Joe,

Do you have a KXV3 module installed? You may be switched to the RX antenna.

Wayne
N6KR

On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:48 AM, joemoffatt 
j...@selectconnect.netmailto:j...@selectconnect.net%3e wrote:


Everything in the manual checked out ok. I am at the stage before putting 
in

the 100 watt PA. Just checking things out. I have the IF Out board, but
that's about it. No ATU. Setup filters, etc. But, I have only about S1
on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals. Even 
WWV

is poor. This is on a known good antenna/coax.

Anyhow, just wondering what to check. I haven't set the REF OSC yet 
because

I can't get a strong enough signal to do it.

Ideas? I thought I was sailing along smoothly.

Thanks,

joe





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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.

[Fred Jensen]

Are you certain you have the correct antenna selected?  Been there, done 
that. :-)


73,

Fred K6DGW
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On 3/1/2015 7:48 AM, joemoffatt wrote:

Everything in the manual checked out ok.  I am at the stage before putting in
the 100 watt PA.  Just checking things out.   I have the IF Out board, but
that's about it.  No ATU.   Setup filters, etc.  But, I have only about S1
on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals.  Even WWV
is poor.  This is on a known good antenna/coax.

Anyhow, just wondering what to check.  I haven't set the REF OSC yet because
I can't get a strong enough signal to do it.

Ideas?   I thought I was sailing along smoothly.

Thanks,

joe


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[Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.

[joemoffatt]

Everything in the manual checked out ok.  I am at the stage before putting in
the 100 watt PA.  Just checking things out.   I have the IF Out board, but
that's about it.  No ATU.   Setup filters, etc.  But, I have only about S1
on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals.  Even WWV
is poor.  This is on a known good antenna/coax.   

Anyhow, just wondering what to check.  I haven't set the REF OSC yet because
I can't get a strong enough signal to do it.

Ideas?   I thought I was sailing along smoothly.   

Thanks,

joe





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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 build, LOW LOW sensitivity.

[Wayne Burdick]

Joe,

Do you have a KXV3 module installed? You may be switched to the RX antenna.

Wayne
N6KR

On Mar 1, 2015, at 7:48 AM, joemoffatt j...@selectconnect.net wrote:

 Everything in the manual checked out ok.  I am at the stage before putting in
 the 100 watt PA.  Just checking things out.   I have the IF Out board, but
 that's about it.  No ATU.   Setup filters, etc.  But, I have only about S1
 on the S Meter, and can only weakly hear the strongest of signals.  Even WWV
 is poor.  This is on a known good antenna/coax.   
 
 Anyhow, just wondering what to check.  I haven't set the REF OSC yet because
 I can't get a strong enough signal to do it.
 
 Ideas?   I thought I was sailing along smoothly.   
 
 Thanks,
 
 joe
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Chester Alderman]

Hi John,

I can't do that just yet but I will when I get my new K3. Improved full QSK
and better close in signal rejection during contest are also my primary
interest, so it will be interesting to finally get the new rig and test for
those issues.

I got my original K3 in 2010 and decided since I sure would like to have the
new synthesizers and since I had never installed any of the Elecraft
upgrades/updates, I would sell the old one and buy a new one. The actual
cost output for a new K3, with everything updated, was very reasonable. Even
though my credit card was charged the day after I placed my order, I did not
hear anything from Elecraft, so I sent them an email yesterday for status
update. It turned out that there is a 'delay' due to some small part out of
stock, but my new K4 should be shipped next week. [I say K4 because any
other manufacturer would have come out with a 'new' radio and we are
fortunate to get this 'serious' upgrade as such!] So after I can do some
test, I will make an audio recording and send it to you and Vidi.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


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Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

Don, all,
Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already
excellent K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved
QSK, including the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of
a little slower QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and
make available an audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW
circa 30-40 WPM?  Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the
decision to buy. 
Thanks  73,
John K1JD
Santa Fe, NM

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[Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Johnk1jd]

Don, all,
Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent 
K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including 
the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower 
QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an 
audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM?  
Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. 
Thanks  73,
John K1JD
Santa Fe, NM

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[drewko]

Not a bad idea... It would be nice to hear before and after
recordings. 

Also, recordings with the RF gain at max and sidetone volume at zero
while the rig is being keyed, in presence of other signals and alone
in the background noise. That should provide a good comparison of
clicks and pops without distraction.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 07:19:42 -0700, you wrote:

Don, all,
Discussed this upgrade with Vidi ZS1EL yesterday. Given the already excellent 
K3 RX, ours and presumably others' primary interest is improved QSK, including 
the new mode reported to reduce clicks/pops at the expense of a little slower 
QSK. Could someone with the upgrade installed create and make available an 
audio file of the receiver output while transmitting CW circa 30-40 WPM?  
Hearing what it actually sounds like will help with the decision to buy. 
Thanks  73,
John K1JD
Santa Fe, NM


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[bs usb]

I used to think that if I could not hear a difference, there may not be 
a difference.


When band conditions are good there may not be any difference to be heard.

What happens when band conditions are not so good?


Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with.  Now, may I ask 
if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a 
purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide 
an improvement?  I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to 
keep my K3 on the leading edge.  But really curious how well it 
appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on 
instruments or are notable to ones ears.


73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[David Bunte]

Doug -

From all the on topic traffic here during the last week, it would appear
that quite a few folks have installed the synth boards.  I put one in my K3
and a pair in the K3 of a friend.  I knew I wanted to do it the moment I
heard about it.  My impression is that the band seems a bit quieter,
but sometimes my QTH is very quiet to start with.  We have not
experienced K1N type pileups since I installed mine, but I don't expect to
be aware of the benefit, since I cannot switch back to the old board...
but I do expect to
from it most of the time I am on the air, and anytime the band is really
crowded.

The friend in whose K3 I installed a pair of them will benefit every time
he uses his K3.  He is a QRQ CW operator, who is really excited to get RIT
function back while operating QRQ.

Dave - K9FN

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote:

 Whew!  Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with.  Now, may I ask if
 anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely
 subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an
 improvement?  I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my
 K3 on the leading edge.  But really curious how well it appears to work and
 whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to
 ones ears.

 73, Doug -- K0DXV
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[Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

Whew!  Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with.  Now, may I ask if 
anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely 
subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an 
improvement?  I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep 
my K3 on the leading edge.  But really curious how well it appears to 
work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or 
are notable to ones ears.


73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Phil Wheeler]

Yes and Yes. 

Phil - Sent from my iPad

 On Feb 27, 2015, at 09:53, Doug Person via Elecraft 
 elecraft@mailman.qth.net wrote:
 
 Whew!  Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with.  Now, may I ask if 
 anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely 
 subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an 
 improvement?  I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep my K3 
 on the leading edge.  But really curious how well it appears to work and 
 whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or are notable to 
 ones ears.
 
 73, Doug -- K0DXV
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Don Wilhelm]

Doug,

Look at the numbers for 2 dB spacing - they are significantly improved.
What that means is you can operate more closely to another signal than 
you could before.  That is an important consideration when the bands are 
crowded, such as during contests, FD operation, or DX pileups.
When the signals are spaced out more on the bands, the difference will 
not be as obvious.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/27/2015 12:53 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:
Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with.  Now, may I ask 
if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a 
purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide 
an improvement?  I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to 
keep my K3 on the leading edge.  But really curious how well it 
appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on 
instruments or are notable to ones ears.


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Don Wilhelm]

Please correct the 2 Db below to 2 kHz.  73, Don W3FPR

Doug,

Look at the numbers for 2 dB spacing - they are significantly improved.
What that means is you can operate more closely to another signal than 
you could before.  That is an important consideration when the bands are 
crowded, such as during contests, FD operation, or DX pileups.
When the signals are spaced out more on the bands, the difference will 
not be as obvious.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/27/2015 12:53 PM, Doug Person via Elecraft wrote:

Whew! Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with.  Now, may I ask
if anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a
purely subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide
an improvement?  I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to
keep my K3 on the leading edge.  But really curious how well it
appears to work and whether the improvements are only viewable on
instruments or are notable to ones ears.


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 Syn

[Gary Smith]

I have two in thanks to the sub Rx. I think the only real way to 
answer that would be to have two identical K3's with an AB switch to 
listen in different conditions. I can't imagine how well most of us 
would appreciate that same difference if it was expressed as 
numerical values from lab tests.

I can say I feel I am hearing better under difficult conditions after 
putting them in. For me, when I now hear a station I can barely copy, 
I'm guessing this was helped by the new synths. 

FWIW...

73,

Gary
KA1J

 Whew!  Glad that topic (Net Neutrality) is done with.  Now, may I ask if 
 anyone has successfully installed the new synthesizer? From a purely 
 subjective point of view (ears only) - does it seem to provide an 
 improvement?  I'm going to do the upgrade no matter what, just to keep 
 my K3 on the leading edge.  But really curious how well it appears to 
 work and whether the improvements are only viewable on instruments or 
 are notable to ones ears.
 
 73, Doug -- K0DXV


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[Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer

[Ron Durie]

I have installed two new KSYN3AUPG boards in my K3.  They are working
perfectly.  
This Synthesizer is an excellent re-design and is a welcome upgrade to the
K3.

No Tuning or Calibration is now needed for the new Synthesizers. 
The Noise Floor is lower and the Receiver sounds quieter and cleaner.  
The Receiver Dynamic range has been improved.  
The close in performance numbers have improved for the 2kHz spacing.  

Thanks for a good new upgrade Wayne and Eric.  

Ron Durie
WB4OOA Elecraft K-Line




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[Elecraft] New K3 on the air

[Dave Olean]

Thanks to the Elecraft crew. I just assembled K3 #3 and after unwrapping all 
those anti static bags and plugging everything in, the darn thing worked 
great!! I did not get the 100 watt amp or a second receiver, as this radio will 
be used on the higher VHF bands. I just wanted to thank Eric and Wayne for 
running such a great outfit. There was a lot of thought I am sure,  put into 
how to test and calibrate each board. The fact that someone can assemble such a 
complex piece of electronic equipment out of subassemblies and have it all work 
like a well oiled machine is testimony to a lot of hard work. I appreciate it. 
I also can’t wait to check out the new and improved synthesizer. 
   There is so much snow here in Maine now that I can hardly reach my VHF 
shack, so I think the only band I can make a contact on is 160 M, which is the 
only band operating at the house. I hope I can make my first QSO this evening!  
10 watts? 160 M? a K3? No problem!
Thanks again Elecraft.

Dave K1WHS

K2 #915
K2 #1247
K2 #- (It’s a long story)
K3 # 1504
K3 # 3504
K3 # 8858
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[Elecraft] New K3 #8858 on the air.

[Dave Olean]

Thanks to the Elecraft crew. I just assembled K3 #3 and after unwrapping all 
those anti static bags and plugging everything in, the darn thing worked 
great!! (as usual) I did not get the 100 watt amp or a second receiver, as this 
radio will be used on the higher VHF bands. I just wanted to thank Eric and 
Wayne for running such a great outfit. There was a lot of thought I am sure,  
put into how to test and calibrate each board. The fact that someone can 
assemble such a complex piece of electronic equipment out of subassemblies and 
have it all work like a well oiled machine is testimony to a lot of hard work. 
I appreciate it. I also can’t wait to check out the new and improved 
synthesizer.  One thing that threw me off, however, was the loss of the dual 
passband filter feature in the latest firmware release. I thought I had a 
problem! Luckily, I only wanted to use the APF anyway. I got confused when the 
menu item looked broken!

   There is so much snow here in Maine now that I can hardly reach my VHF 
shack, so I think the only band I could make a contact on is 160 M, which is 
the only band operating at the house. I made my first QSO this evening!  10 
watts? 160 M? a K3? No problem! Worked K4EJQ in Kentucky 599!
Thanks again Elecraft.

Dave K1WHS

K2 #915
K2 #1247
K2 #- (It’s a long story)
K3 # 1504
K3 # 3504
K3 # 8858
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[Elecraft] New K3 Synthesizer

[Bob Locher]

Wayne - thanks - news of the new K3 Synthesizer is very exciting! And I 
will be very interested in the Sherwood testing  of the K3 with the new 
board.


Question: how hard is it to install it in the K3? And how hard to 
install in the sub receiver?


You say a K3 with Sub-receiver needs both to have the new board. Is this 
only so that dual diversity reception capability is retained? Do both 
receivers need the new synthesizers  if the user does not use 
dual-diversity?


Anyhow, it is a wonderful thing that Elecraft is offering such an 
improvement for units in the field.  I am aware of no other transceiver 
supplier offering a major upgrade for units already in the field. 
Elecraft's willingness to do this and its loyalty to its customers is 
unmatched!


What a wonderful gift for us K-3 owners!

Cheers/73

Bob Locher W9KNI

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[Elecraft] NEW K3

[Bob Gibson via Elecraft]

 Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and when 
I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong?   73s Bob W5RG
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Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3

[Don Wilhelm]

Bob,

You apparently have selected a transmit filter for CW that is too narrow.
The transmit filter for CW must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 1/22/2015 10:29 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:

  Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and 
when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong?   73s Bob W5RG



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Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3

[Bob Gibson via Elecraft]

THANKS GOT IT    73s Bob W5RG

  From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com
 To: Bob Gibson w...@yahoo.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:56 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3
   
Bob,

You apparently have selected a transmit filter for CW that is too narrow.
The transmit filter for CW must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 1/22/2015 10:29 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:
  Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and 
when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong?  73s Bob W5RG




  
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Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3

[Gary Smith]

Congratulations on the new K3!

73,

Gary
KA1J

 THANKS GOT IT    73s Bob W5RG
 
   From: Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com
  To: Bob Gibson w...@yahoo.com; Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:56 PM
  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] NEW K3

 Bob,
 
 You apparently have selected a transmit filter for CW that is too narrow.
 The transmit filter for CW must be the 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 
 
 On 1/22/2015 10:29 PM, Bob Gibson via Elecraft wrote:
   Will I guess I'm stupid.. I just got my new k3..I'm trying to send cw and 
 when I do I get a err txf message.. What am I doing wrong?  73s Bob W5RG
 
 
 
 
   
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying

[Graham g3tct]

Since updating my K3 f/w to 5.01, I find that the time to switch between 
VFO A and B has increased noticeably - it used to be near 
instantaneous.  This is not good when used in a contest and needing to 
switch rapidly between frequencies.  Anyone else noticed this?


73 and HNY
Graham


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying

[Graham g3tct]

Hi Gary
I hear it as you do.

The amplitude of the transient depends on the received noise level. This 
can be demonstrated with the rf gain control, but setting the gain 
control low and then increasing the received noise level with eg a 
preamp brings the transient back, so it's the actual noise level, not 
the rf gain setting.


The transient we're hearing is also there on semi break in, it's not 
restricted to qsk.  But it is a huge improvement.


Graham



On 19:59, Gary Smith wrote:

Graham,

I agree. And I also hear a transient click albeit it far better than before. 
Since you hear it as well, I have to ask you if you hear it on the right side, not the 
left,

yes


  If you play a character slowly,
do you hear it at the end of the character
   

yes

and if it goes away completely if you
engage the sub Rx?
   

yes

This is what I have found with my K3.

73,

Gary
KA1J

   

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying

[Gary Smith]

Graham,

I agree. And I also hear a transient 
click albeit it far better than before. 
Since you hear it as well, I have to ask 
you if you hear it on the right side, not 
the left, If you play a character slowly, 
do you hear it at the end of the character 
and if it goes away completely if you 
engage the sub Rx?

This is what I have found with my K3.

73,

Gary
KA1J

 Yes, it's a significant improvement.  There's still some slight 
 transient click but much better.  Well done Elecraft!
 
 Graham
 
 
 
 On 19:59, Wayne Burdick wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Our latest K3 firmware field test went very well, with great reports from 
  CW operators regarding the new QSK sound. Many have been waiting patiently 
  (or not :) for a few years for this improvement.
 
  This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at:
 
  http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm
 
 
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying

[Graham g3tct]

Yes, it's a significant improvement.  There's still some slight 
transient click but much better.  Well done Elecraft!


Graham



On 19:59, Wayne Burdick wrote:

Hi all,

Our latest K3 firmware field test went very well, with great reports from CW 
operators regarding the new QSK sound. Many have been waiting patiently (or not 
:) for a few years for this improvement.

This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

   

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying

[Jim Brown]

On Tue,12/16/2014 1:19 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm


Not realizing this was a beta, I went looking for it with K3 Utility 
last night and didn't find it.


It would be nice to have an option within K3 Utility to look for 
firmware that is in public beta.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

Hi Jim,

We make beta's a little different to get on purpose so that unsuspecting users 
don't download the beta (with potential bugs) by mistake through the usual 
utility route. Instead we provide the release in a zip file that the user copies 
and unzips to a local computer directory, and then loads via the utility.


We also want to make sure beta testers are the ones who really are interested in 
testing the software and reporting any issues. The two step method above 
accomplishes this for us. We've used this method for the past 7 years with good 
feedback.


On the K3 firmware page, where the beta is described, there is a link with clear 
instructions on how to get the .zip file for the beta releases.

It says:

See the K3 Beta Firmware Instruction 
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_beta_release_instructions.htm for information on 
obtaining beta releases.

Beta releases are not automatically recognized by the K3 Utility.

The K3 Firmware page is located at:
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

73,

Eric
elecraft.com


On 12/17/2014 9:15 AM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Tue,12/16/2014 1:19 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:

This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at:

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm


Not realizing this was a beta, I went looking for it with K3 Utility last 
night and didn't find it.


It would be nice to have an option within K3 Utility to look for firmware that 
is in public beta.


73, Jim K9YC
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[Elecraft] New K3 beta firmware release, rev. 5.01: Much-improved audio during CW keying

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

Our latest K3 firmware field test went very well, with great reports from CW 
operators regarding the new QSK sound. Many have been waiting patiently (or not 
:) for a few years for this improvement.

This firmware is now a beta release (rev. 5.01), available at:

   http://www.elecraft.com/K3/k3_software.htm

See release notes below.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

MCU 5.01 / DSP 2.83, 12/09/2014

* NO CW QSK AUDIO ARTIFACTS IN PRESENCE OF QRM: In previous releases, CW QSK 
break-in speed was maximized by saving receive audio in the DSP pipeline on 
key-down, then inserting it back into audio stream on key-up. This resulted in 
audible artifacts when operating in the presence of heavy noise or QRN. The 
operator now has the option to clear the DSP pipeline on key-down, eliminating 
the artifacts. This provides much cleaner CW operation, at the expense of a 
slightly longer delay before receive audio recovers (we'll improve this in a 
future firmware release). To select the old or new QSK algorithm, tap '3' in 
the CW WGHT menu entry (CONFIG menu). New QSK clears the DSP pipeline; Old 
QSK saves it and inserts it back in on key-up. Historical note: The original 
Old QSK, which used even shorter mute times, is no longer available. Some 
operators felt it provided somewhat better QSK (reduced artifacts). But the new 
algorithm (now New QSK) is far superior in this regard.
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini

[ejkkjh]

I have been unable to find any PSK63, spent some time yesterday looking.
I have been on sound card modes since early 80s never heard or worked PSK63.
Any tips or info on where to find activity would be appreciated.  73
Thanks
Emory  WM3M

gor Sokolov Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:50:58 -0700

Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that 
KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini

[Walter Underwood]

PSK spots are here, the PSK63 ones are identified as such.

http://hamspots.net/psk/

wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/

On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:03 AM, ejk...@gmail.com ejk...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have been unable to find any PSK63, spent some time yesterday looking.
 I have been on sound card modes since early 80s never heard or worked PSK63.
 Any tips or info on where to find activity would be appreciated.  73
 Thanks
 Emory  WM3M
 
 gor Sokolov Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:50:58 -0700
 
 Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope 
 that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini

[DGB]

vk9dlk on 30m psk right now


On 10/16/2014 10:03 AM, ejk...@gmail.com wrote:

I have been unable to find any PSK63, spent some time yesterday looking.
I have been on sound card modes since early 80s never heard or worked PSK63.
Any tips or info on where to find activity would be appreciated.  73
Thanks
Emory  WM3M

gor Sokolov Wed, 15 Oct 2014 07:50:58 -0700

Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope that 
KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini

[Wayne Burdick]

For those who have asked for the new K3 field-test firmware: It'll probably be 
another day before I get the firmware out. Thanks for offering to test it.

Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini

[Igor Sokolov]

Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope 
that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)


73, Igor UA9CDC
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From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com

To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Cc: elecraft...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;changes 
related to KAT500  K3/0-mini



For those who have asked for the new K3 field-test firmware: It'll 
probably be another day before I get the firmware out. Thanks for offering 
to test it.


Wayne
N6KR

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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini

[Wayne Burdick]

If tests of PSK63 go well with the K3, we should be able to add it to the KX3 
as well.

Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 15, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Igor Sokolov ua9...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks for adding long awaited and pretty popular PSK63 to K3. May we hope 
 that KX3 will follow? I own both rigs :)
 
 73, Igor UA9CDC
 - Original Message - From: Wayne Burdick n...@elecraft.com
 To: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Cc: elecraft...@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:37 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode;changes 
 related to KAT500  K3/0-mini
 
 
 For those who have asked for the new K3 field-test firmware: It'll probably 
 be another day before I get the firmware out. Thanks for offering to test it.
 
 Wayne
 N6KR
 
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[Elecraft] New K3 field-test firmware: new PSK63 mode; changes related to KAT500 K3/0-mini

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi all,

An interim release of K3 firmware is available with the following changes:

* * *

K3 MCU 4.92 / DSP 2.83, 10-14-2014

* PSK63 MODE ADDED:  To select PSK31 or PSK63, first tap either end of the MODE 
switch to select DATA, then hold the DATA MD switch and use VFO A to select the 
desired PSK data rate.

* KAT500 POWER-ON MESSAGE SHOWN ON K3 DISPLAY: If a powered-off KAT500 is 
pulling the auxBus signal low when the K3 is first turned on, TURN ON KAT500 
is displayed. Previously this condition would lock up the K3 without 
explanation.

* K3/0-MINI TX NOISE REDUCTION:  Polling by Remote-Rig units is suspended 
during PTT or XMIT switch use to reduce a ticking noise heard in some cases. 

* * *

(Other changes were made to this release that have no effect on operation, but 
require full re-testing of the K3 in all modes.)

If you're interested in loading and testing this firmware, please contact me 
directly (not via a list posting).

Thanks,

Wayne
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[Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)

[Andreas Hofmann]

Hi,

I put together my new K3 without any issues. My 8 and 10 year old daughters 
helped and they really enjoyed it too. Overall I am very happy with its 
performance.  I do not seem to need PRE on the high bands as much, but I do 
seem to need ATT on the low bands more...  I guess that is by design. I have a 
few things I need to figure out and the manual does not seem to help:


1.   DUAL PB, APF. I am not sure I get the APF to work. I do not hear or 
see the middle peak of the filter. I think I only get DUAL PB, no matter what I 
set in the config menu.  I am using the latest FW. Any ideas how to verify?

2.   NR:  I like how the noise goes away, but I do not like the 
under-the-water sound (K2 owner, no DSP experience).  I seem to switch 
constantly back and forth... I am using the default setting for NR (F1-1). Is 
there a way to back off the setting slightly to have a better compromise 
setting?

3.   KPA3 temp: The fans are MUCH quieter as my K2's which is good, but I 
do worry that I have not setup something right...When I monitor the KPA3 
temperature, what is the max value that I should watch out for? I am getting up 
to 41 C during casual operation.

Thanks in advance and 73,
Andy
KU7T
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)

[Ian Kahn - Ham]

Andy,

Congratulations on the new K3!  I've had mine about three years and love it.
I can only answer one part of one question for you - the Dual PB comes into
play only in RTTY operations.  It shouldn't enabled for other modes.  To
help you learn about your K3, you might consider purchasing Fred Cady's
book, The Elecraft K3:  Design, Configuration, and Operation, from Lulu.com
(http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?keyWords=Fred+Cadytype=Not+Servicesite
search=lulu.comq=).  It will tell you all you need to know, and then some,
about the K3.  And, no, Fred isn't giving me kick-backs for promoting his
book.  I'm just another happy customer with no financial interest (unless
you count knowing how to run the multi-thousands of dollars piece of
equipment at my operating station).

Hope this helps.

73 de,

-- Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik@gmail.com
K3 #281, P3 #688, KPA500 #1468
HRD v5.x/6.0 Test Team

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andreas Hofmann
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 1:07 PM
To: 'elecraft@mailman.qth.net'
Subject: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR
under the water sound, KPA3 temp)

Hi,

I put together my new K3 without any issues. My 8 and 10 year old daughters
helped and they really enjoyed it too. Overall I am very happy with its
performance.  I do not seem to need PRE on the high bands as much, but I do
seem to need ATT on the low bands more...  I guess that is by design. I have
a few things I need to figure out and the manual does not seem to help:


1.   DUAL PB, APF. I am not sure I get the APF to work. I do not hear or
see the middle peak of the filter. I think I only get DUAL PB, no matter
what I set in the config menu.  I am using the latest FW. Any ideas how to
verify?

2.   NR:  I like how the noise goes away, but I do not like the
under-the-water sound (K2 owner, no DSP experience).  I seem to switch
constantly back and forth... I am using the default setting for NR (F1-1).
Is there a way to back off the setting slightly to have a better compromise
setting?

3.   KPA3 temp: The fans are MUCH quieter as my K2's which is good, but
I do worry that I have not setup something right...When I monitor the KPA3
temperature, what is the max value that I should watch out for? I am getting
up to 41 C during casual operation.

Thanks in advance and 73,
Andy
KU7T
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)

[Sam Morgan]

I saved this gem of a post from Jack WA9FVP


Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Noise Filter (NF) ADJ

wa9fvp Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:19:36 -0800

There's no documentation but as far as I can tell--

F1-x through F4-x defines the amount of noise reduction or how aggressive
the filter attacks the I.F. noise.  F5-X through F8-X defines the amount of
reduction and the level that's mixed with the filtered and non-filtered 
I.F.

Note that m which means mix will appear after F5-X and above.


X defines the delay.  Delay is the amount of time it takes for the filter to
converge on a non-sinusoidal signal or the noise.   The higher the number,
the longer it takes for the noise to reduce to a low level.

I hope this helps.

Jack WA9FVP

F1-x through F4-x are for CW
F5-x through F8-x are for SSB


On 3/10/2014 12:06 PM, Andreas Hofmann wrote:

Hi,

I put together my new K3 without any issues. My 8 and 10 year old daughters 
helped and they really enjoyed it too. Overall I am very happy with its 
performance.  I do not seem to need PRE on the high bands as much, but I do 
seem to need ATT on the low bands more...  I guess that is by design. I have a 
few things I need to figure out and the manual does not seem to help:


1.   DUAL PB, APF. I am not sure I get the APF to work. I do not hear or 
see the middle peak of the filter. I think I only get DUAL PB, no matter what I 
set in the config menu.  I am using the latest FW. Any ideas how to verify?

2.   NR:  I like how the noise goes away, but I do not like the 
under-the-water sound (K2 owner, no DSP experience).  I seem to switch 
constantly back and forth... I am using the default setting for NR (F1-1). Is 
there a way to back off the setting slightly to have a better compromise 
setting?

3.   KPA3 temp: The fans are MUCH quieter as my K2's which is good, but I 
do worry that I have not setup something right...When I monitor the KPA3 
temperature, what is the max value that I should watch out for? I am getting up 
to 41 C during casual operation.

Thanks in advance and 73,
Andy
KU7T



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K5OAI
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)

[Phil Wheeler]

Regarding the APF there are a couple of notes (in 
the KX3 area!) which may help:


http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/tips/Using%20APF%20for%20weak%20signal%20CW%20work%20the%20K3%20and%20KX3.pdf

http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/tips/Using%20APF%20with%20the%20K3%20and%20KX3.pdf

Phil

On 3/10/14, 10:06 AM, Andreas Hofmann wrote:

Hi,

I put together my new K3 without any issues. My 8 and 10 year old daughters 
helped and they really enjoyed it too. Overall I am very happy with its 
performance.  I do not seem to need PRE on the high bands as much, but I do 
seem to need ATT on the low bands more...  I guess that is by design. I have a 
few things I need to figure out and the manual does not seem to help:


1.   DUAL PB, APF. I am not sure I get the APF to work. I do not hear or 
see the middle peak of the filter. I think I only get DUAL PB, no matter what I 
set in the config menu.  I am using the latest FW. Any ideas how to verify?


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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)

[Phil Wheeler]

And in the Config Menu you need to set DUAL PB to 
APF vs. nor


Phil

On 3/10/14, 11:38 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote:
Regarding the APF there are a couple of notes 
(in the KX3 area!) which may help:


http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/tips/Using%20APF%20for%20weak%20signal%20CW%20work%20the%20K3%20and%20KX3.pdf 



http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/tips/Using%20APF%20with%20the%20K3%20and%20KX3.pdf 



Phil

On 3/10/14, 10:06 AM, Andreas Hofmann wrote:

Hi,

I put together my new K3 without any issues. My 
8 and 10 year old daughters helped and they 
really enjoyed it too. Overall I am very happy 
with its performance.  I do not seem to need 
PRE on the high bands as much, but I do seem to 
need ATT on the low bands more...  I guess that 
is by design. I have a few things I need to 
figure out and the manual does not seem to help:



1.   DUAL PB, APF. I am not sure I get the 
APF to work. I do not hear or see the middle 
peak of the filter. I think I only get DUAL PB, 
no matter what I set in the config menu.  I am 
using the latest FW. Any ideas how to verify?






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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)

[Richard Ferch]

Hi Andy,

1. The Dual PB/APF button has multiple functions. First of all, it is 
different in CW than in RTTY, and it doesn't do anything in other modes 
(SSB, DATA A, etc.).


In CW, the Dual PB button has two functions, depending on whether 
CONFIG:DUAL PB is set to APF or NOR.


In the APF configuration in CW, it is a very narrow audio peaking 
filter. Tuning of signals is touchy - even a 10-20 Hz change can make 
the difference between copy and no copy on a weak signal. The APF 
doesn't do much for strong signals - it's for pulling very weak CW 
signals out of the noise.


In the NOR configuration in CW, the dual PB filter gives you a stepped 
filter bandpass, with a 150 Hz center portion set within a broader 
context bandpass about 20 dB down from the central bandpass; the width 
of the broader context bandpass is controlled by the WIDTH control. 
The effect is most obvious when WIDTH is set wide, say to 700-1000 Hz. 
Without the DUAL PB, signals several hundred Hz away but within the 
bandpass are strong; with DUAL PB, they are attenuated but still 
audible, although not as strong as signals within the narrower central 
bandpass; when WIDTH is narrowed down, with or without DUAL PB signals 
that far away become inaudible. When WIDTH is at, say, 400 Hz or so, the 
effect of the DUAL PB setting is not quite as obvious - the stepped 
response is not all that different from what you may be used to using 
normal crystal filtering without DSP.


In RTTY (FSK D or AFSK A), the Dual PB button gives you a dual peak 
filter peaked on the two tones of the RTTY signal. In theory, this 
actually degrades the performance of a well-designed demodulator, so you 
might be better off not using it routinely, but in the situation where 
there are two overlapping RTTY signals with the mark or space of the 
interfering signal in between the mark and space of the one you are 
trying to work, it may help reduce the interference.


2. I can't help with NR.

3. KPA3 temp: at 41C, from a thermal point of view your PA is loafing. 
In heavier use (RTTY or heavy CW contesting use), it will climb up into 
the 50s or even the low 60s (depends on the ambient temperature, of 
course), and the fans will speed up. You can hear what the fans sound 
like at the different speed levels by using the CONFIG:KPA3 menu and 
changing it temporarily from NOR to FN1, FN2, FN3 or FN4. I don't think 
I have ever gotten my PA temp high enough to switch to the FN4 level 
automatically (somewhere around 65-70C, perhaps?), but I have reached 
the FN2 and FN3 levels during contests (FN3 mostly in RTTY). The KPA3 is 
supposed to protect itself by shutting off at 84C, but I've never seen 
anything approaching that level.


You may see the PA TEMP indication change slightly during transmit as 
compared to receive. I believe this is caused by the voltage difference 
between TX and RX (if for no other reason than resistive losses in the 
power cable). You can set the PA TEMP display to RX-only if necessary to 
avoid this effect.


73,
Rich VE3KI
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Re: [Elecraft] New K3 owner, couple of questions (APF vs. DUAL PB, NR under the water sound, KPA3 temp)

[Jack]

Not using the dual pass-band mode, due to the degradation Rich notes, is 
the consensus of some of the best RTTY contest operators of our 
acquaintance.


Jack, W6NF/VE4SNA
Shelley, K7MKL

On 3/10/2014 1:21 PM, Richard Ferch wrote:



In RTTY (FSK D or AFSK A), the Dual PB button gives you a dual peak 
filter peaked on the two tones of the RTTY signal. In theory, this 
actually degrades the performance of a well-designed demodulator, so 
you might be better off not using it routinely, but in the situation 
where there are two overlapping RTTY signals with the mark or space of 
the interfering signal in between the mark and space of the one you 
are trying to work, it may help reduce the interference.



73,
Rich VE3KI



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