[Emc-users] metal printer.

[a k]

Hello
Last time i visited this web was 10 years ago or so.
my last project was 3D metal printer. i used my demo mill. my milling
machine run on linux cnc. I mounted a mig welder machine on mill. MIG
welder was liquid metal depositor.
i build unit to synchronize cnc machine and mig welder.

10 years ago it was something new and now not any more
here is 10 years old video that i try to replicate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOarxQRKW9o

and now i learned that lincoln electric which make mig welder also make 3d
metal printers
https://additive.lincolnelectric.com/

lincoln can make any part - cylinder block for gas/diesel engine -- check
their web
lincoln will make part for you, but will not sale machine.

some time it is interesting to look 10 years back.

thanks
aram

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[Emc-users] contact?

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hi
is any one know/ noticed about this company, any contact info
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSR3wdumXqvirBNPkRxDANA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOarxQRKW9o

it was start up ones, and it is in Alabama. that is from google search

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[Emc-users] Mechanical gearbox

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Hi
When I work on replacement encoder on servo motor
I found that now on the market mostly closed loop AC servo motors with
drive.
And the start $500 for combo.

Is it not be same result to use such AC servo motor with closed loop drive
with control analog +/- 10 v dc?
In this case need to know how many volt correspond to sertaine rpm,
And use potenciometer to get right voltage.

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Re: [Emc-users] for lathe!

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Hi
With all , on the video we can see hardware development.
If one need that, have place to buy it.
If that hardware can be integrated with Linc

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019, 2:51 PM John Dammeyer  wrote:

> Be aware it's not really an Electronic Lead Screw as that term describes
> something with more versatility and capablities.  That product described in
> the video is more like electronic gearing.
> John
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: a k [mailto:pccncmach...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: August-23-19 1:27 PM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > Subject: [Emc-users] for lathe!
> >
> > this is good to implement for any lathe
> > https://youtu.be/FTs9GygRQ-U
> >
> > lcnc + this control can be good idea
> >
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[Emc-users] for lathe!

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this is good to implement for any lathe
https://youtu.be/FTs9GygRQ-U

lcnc + this control can be good idea

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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc-application

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Hi
3 years ago I did talk to Michigan Institute. There was PhD student from
Thailand that work on 3d metal printer etc.
School can produce papers talk etc but I can not to see part made in
Michigan Institute.
I think that m I. Use cure software for plastic printing and try to write
program to program 3d metal printer.
After many talk to PhD student that what I think it was.
Student got PhD paper and teaching job in Thailand. Very tipical story.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 3:21 AM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Tuesday 30 July 2019 05:19:33 Nicklas Karlsson wrote:
>
> > Know a little bit about welding. Have seen manufacturer of welding
> > equipment claiming adding some welding on new parts used for digging
> > might be good since weld is harder and wear slower.
> >
> > I am however certain welding is a lot more expensive material than
> > buying a solid block and are in doubt about strength. Adding a little
> > bit on top for example then part wear I think however might be a very
> > good idea. Tried it myself manually, some grinding where need but it
> > worked.
> >
> > It might be MIG welding is best for thin material but are very
> > uncertain. MMA i used and it work on thick material though TIG might
> > be better since it is possible to indenpendently control speed of
> > material added and power for heating if I got everything correct.
> >
> they make rods for stick welders that are called hard face. In Iowa where
> I grew up, small town welding shops were kept busy in the off seasons by
> laying a 1/4" layer on the bottom section of plowshares for the local
> farmers that didn't do their own. Such a rebuilt plow often went
> noticeably farther before it was done again.
>
> > Regards Nicklas Karlsson
> >
> > > Aram
> > >
> > > additive machining using MIG is very interesting
> > > I've seen laser welding used to repair expensive blisks for
> > > turbines.
> > >
> > > I dont know about welding though,
> > > but I see many people trying to achieve this.
> > >
> > > these maybe of use:
> > >
> > > Design And Development Of A Low-Cost 3D Metal Printer
> > > https://jmerd.org.my/Paper/Vol.%2041%2C%20No.%203%20%282018%29/47-54
> > >.pdf
> > >
> > > Additive Manufacturing Using MIG Welding
> > > https://www.ijresm.com/Vol_1_2018/Vol1_Iss10_October18/IJRESM_V1_I10
> > >_137.pdf
> > >
> > > simpler welder
> > > https://reprap.org/wiki/Slicer_and_process_improvements_for_open-sou
> > >rce_GMAW-based_metal_3-D_printing
> > >
> > > btw: Michigan Tech's MOST projects have a few links that you may
> > > find interesting.
> > >
> > > your welds looks similar to what the universities achieved so don't
> > > be disappointed!
> > >
> > > hth
> > > tomp
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 1:49 AM a k  wrote:
> > > > https://youtu.be/JJsCT81T4N8
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 7:04 PM a k  wrote:
> > > > > https://youtu.be/3TBTOxNLo2E
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:53 PM a k 
> wrote:
> > > > >> https://youtu.be/YiT_CgO1-1w
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:50 PM a k 
> wrote:
> > > > >>> here are some info about what my project.
> > > > >>> combination of lcnc and welding need to see some problems
> > > > >>> .that i have
> > > > >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TBTOxNLo2E
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:01 PM Gene Heskett
> > > > >>> 
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Sunday 28 July 2019 12:01:11 Jon Elson wrote:
> > > > >>>> > On 07/27/2019 10:09 PM, a k wrote:
> > > > >>>> > > Hi
> > > > >>>> > > I am interesting if linuxcnc can host different groups ,
> > > > >>>> > > like linuxcnc for application?
> > > > >>>> > >
> > > > >>>> > > Right now it is linuxcnc for lathe and mill.
> > > > >>>> > > Cutting process not under the any questions ,so only
> > > > >>>> > > linuxcnc ...
> > > > >>>> > >
> > > > >>>> > > What about if lcnc does something more complex than
> > 

Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc-application

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https://youtu.be/JJsCT81T4N8

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 7:04 PM a k  wrote:

> https://youtu.be/3TBTOxNLo2E
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:53 PM a k  wrote:
>
>> https://youtu.be/YiT_CgO1-1w
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:50 PM a k  wrote:
>>
>>> here are some info about what my project.
>>> combination of lcnc and welding need to see some problems .that i
>>> have
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TBTOxNLo2E
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:01 PM Gene Heskett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sunday 28 July 2019 12:01:11 Jon Elson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > On 07/27/2019 10:09 PM, a k wrote:
>>>> > > Hi
>>>> > > I am interesting if linuxcnc can host different groups , like
>>>> > > linuxcnc for application?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Right now it is linuxcnc for lathe and mill.
>>>> > > Cutting process not under the any questions ,so only linuxcnc ...
>>>> > >
>>>> > > What about if lcnc does something more complex than simple metal etc
>>>> > > cutting?
>>>> >
>>>> > A variant of LinuxCNC called Machinekit is often used with
>>>> > the BeagleBone and CRAMPS board to run 3-D printers.  Some
>>>> > people are using it with 5-axis mills.  I know that several
>>>> > tube benders have been built.  One of my customers is in
>>>> > Brazil and uses LinuxCNC to run a screen printing machine
>>>> > (there's a YouTube video of it). Recently, some additions
>>>> > have been added to do reverse path for wire and sinker EDM.
>>>> > I've heard rumors of gear hobbing machines, too.
>>>> >
>>>> > Jon
>>>> >
>>>> I've never cobbled up a wire spooler, but I've done lots of EDM, mostly
>>>> burning out broken taps. But my threads when I'm done look a heck of a
>>>> lot better that that guy on you-tube who specializes removing broken
>>>> taps. He uses so much current he's arcing sideways and punching holes
>>>> in
>>>> the threads. I haven't automated the feed rate, mainly because I'm
>>>> usually operating in a blind hole, so I have to back out and clean the
>>>> electrolyte out of the hole, its got so much metal in it thats its gone
>>>> conductive. For that, I really should rig a small water pump, and rig
>>>> an
>>>> injector in the upper part of the electrode to feed distilled water
>>>> into
>>>> the slowly rotating brass tubing I use for an electrode. By that method
>>>> I could keep the hole clean enough to not have to stop and clean the
>>>> shorts out of the hole.
>>>>
>>>> As for dielectric fluid, I've found at the currants and voltages I use,
>>>> that distilled water works better than K2.
>>>>
>>>> There is not anything stopping LCNC from doing all sorts of odd jobs.
>>>> And
>>>> most importantly, you are in no way limited to what your CAD/CAM can
>>>> write but you'll never find out unless you learn to write your own
>>>> gcode. IMO, its even easier than Basic.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>>> --
>>>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>>>>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>>>> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law
>>>> respectable.
>>>>  - Louis D. Brandeis
>>>> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc-application

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https://youtu.be/3TBTOxNLo2E

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:53 PM a k  wrote:

> https://youtu.be/YiT_CgO1-1w
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:50 PM a k  wrote:
>
>> here are some info about what my project.
>> combination of lcnc and welding need to see some problems .that i have
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TBTOxNLo2E
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:01 PM Gene Heskett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sunday 28 July 2019 12:01:11 Jon Elson wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 07/27/2019 10:09 PM, a k wrote:
>>> > > Hi
>>> > > I am interesting if linuxcnc can host different groups , like
>>> > > linuxcnc for application?
>>> > >
>>> > > Right now it is linuxcnc for lathe and mill.
>>> > > Cutting process not under the any questions ,so only linuxcnc ...
>>> > >
>>> > > What about if lcnc does something more complex than simple metal etc
>>> > > cutting?
>>> >
>>> > A variant of LinuxCNC called Machinekit is often used with
>>> > the BeagleBone and CRAMPS board to run 3-D printers.  Some
>>> > people are using it with 5-axis mills.  I know that several
>>> > tube benders have been built.  One of my customers is in
>>> > Brazil and uses LinuxCNC to run a screen printing machine
>>> > (there's a YouTube video of it). Recently, some additions
>>> > have been added to do reverse path for wire and sinker EDM.
>>> > I've heard rumors of gear hobbing machines, too.
>>> >
>>> > Jon
>>> >
>>> I've never cobbled up a wire spooler, but I've done lots of EDM, mostly
>>> burning out broken taps. But my threads when I'm done look a heck of a
>>> lot better that that guy on you-tube who specializes removing broken
>>> taps. He uses so much current he's arcing sideways and punching holes in
>>> the threads. I haven't automated the feed rate, mainly because I'm
>>> usually operating in a blind hole, so I have to back out and clean the
>>> electrolyte out of the hole, its got so much metal in it thats its gone
>>> conductive. For that, I really should rig a small water pump, and rig an
>>> injector in the upper part of the electrode to feed distilled water into
>>> the slowly rotating brass tubing I use for an electrode. By that method
>>> I could keep the hole clean enough to not have to stop and clean the
>>> shorts out of the hole.
>>>
>>> As for dielectric fluid, I've found at the currants and voltages I use,
>>> that distilled water works better than K2.
>>>
>>> There is not anything stopping LCNC from doing all sorts of odd jobs.
>>> And
>>> most importantly, you are in no way limited to what your CAD/CAM can
>>> write but you'll never find out unless you learn to write your own
>>> gcode. IMO, its even easier than Basic.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>>> --
>>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>>>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>>> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>>>  - Louis D. Brandeis
>>> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc-application

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https://youtu.be/YiT_CgO1-1w

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 6:50 PM a k  wrote:

> here are some info about what my project.
> combination of lcnc and welding need to see some problems .that i have
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TBTOxNLo2E
>
> On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:01 PM Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 28 July 2019 12:01:11 Jon Elson wrote:
>>
>> > On 07/27/2019 10:09 PM, a k wrote:
>> > > Hi
>> > > I am interesting if linuxcnc can host different groups , like
>> > > linuxcnc for application?
>> > >
>> > > Right now it is linuxcnc for lathe and mill.
>> > > Cutting process not under the any questions ,so only linuxcnc ...
>> > >
>> > > What about if lcnc does something more complex than simple metal etc
>> > > cutting?
>> >
>> > A variant of LinuxCNC called Machinekit is often used with
>> > the BeagleBone and CRAMPS board to run 3-D printers.  Some
>> > people are using it with 5-axis mills.  I know that several
>> > tube benders have been built.  One of my customers is in
>> > Brazil and uses LinuxCNC to run a screen printing machine
>> > (there's a YouTube video of it). Recently, some additions
>> > have been added to do reverse path for wire and sinker EDM.
>> > I've heard rumors of gear hobbing machines, too.
>> >
>> > Jon
>> >
>> I've never cobbled up a wire spooler, but I've done lots of EDM, mostly
>> burning out broken taps. But my threads when I'm done look a heck of a
>> lot better that that guy on you-tube who specializes removing broken
>> taps. He uses so much current he's arcing sideways and punching holes in
>> the threads. I haven't automated the feed rate, mainly because I'm
>> usually operating in a blind hole, so I have to back out and clean the
>> electrolyte out of the hole, its got so much metal in it thats its gone
>> conductive. For that, I really should rig a small water pump, and rig an
>> injector in the upper part of the electrode to feed distilled water into
>> the slowly rotating brass tubing I use for an electrode. By that method
>> I could keep the hole clean enough to not have to stop and clean the
>> shorts out of the hole.
>>
>> As for dielectric fluid, I've found at the currants and voltages I use,
>> that distilled water works better than K2.
>>
>> There is not anything stopping LCNC from doing all sorts of odd jobs. And
>> most importantly, you are in no way limited to what your CAD/CAM can
>> write but you'll never find out unless you learn to write your own
>> gcode. IMO, its even easier than Basic.
>>
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>> --
>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
>> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>>  - Louis D. Brandeis
>> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] Linuxcnc-application

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here are some info about what my project.
combination of lcnc and welding need to see some problems .that i have
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TBTOxNLo2E

On Sun, Jul 28, 2019 at 12:01 PM Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 28 July 2019 12:01:11 Jon Elson wrote:
>
> > On 07/27/2019 10:09 PM, a k wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > I am interesting if linuxcnc can host different groups , like
> > > linuxcnc for application?
> > >
> > > Right now it is linuxcnc for lathe and mill.
> > > Cutting process not under the any questions ,so only linuxcnc ...
> > >
> > > What about if lcnc does something more complex than simple metal etc
> > > cutting?
> >
> > A variant of LinuxCNC called Machinekit is often used with
> > the BeagleBone and CRAMPS board to run 3-D printers.  Some
> > people are using it with 5-axis mills.  I know that several
> > tube benders have been built.  One of my customers is in
> > Brazil and uses LinuxCNC to run a screen printing machine
> > (there's a YouTube video of it). Recently, some additions
> > have been added to do reverse path for wire and sinker EDM.
> > I've heard rumors of gear hobbing machines, too.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> I've never cobbled up a wire spooler, but I've done lots of EDM, mostly
> burning out broken taps. But my threads when I'm done look a heck of a
> lot better that that guy on you-tube who specializes removing broken
> taps. He uses so much current he's arcing sideways and punching holes in
> the threads. I haven't automated the feed rate, mainly because I'm
> usually operating in a blind hole, so I have to back out and clean the
> electrolyte out of the hole, its got so much metal in it thats its gone
> conductive. For that, I really should rig a small water pump, and rig an
> injector in the upper part of the electrode to feed distilled water into
> the slowly rotating brass tubing I use for an electrode. By that method
> I could keep the hole clean enough to not have to stop and clean the
> shorts out of the hole.
>
> As for dielectric fluid, I've found at the currants and voltages I use,
> that distilled water works better than K2.
>
> There is not anything stopping LCNC from doing all sorts of odd jobs. And
> most importantly, you are in no way limited to what your CAD/CAM can
> write but you'll never find out unless you learn to write your own
> gcode. IMO, its even easier than Basic.
>
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
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[Emc-users] Linuxcnc-application

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Hi
I am interesting if linuxcnc can host different groups , like linuxcnc for
application?

Right now it is linuxcnc for lathe and mill.
Cutting process not under the any questions ,so only linuxcnc ...

What about if lcnc does something more complex than simple metal etc
cutting?

Here a lot to talk about Linc and what it actually does ..

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Re: [Emc-users] M52

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Yes, we try to tune up, parameters for m52 , and it is slow down motion but
not to zero.  0.001 for 3 sekonds .

On Mon, May 6, 2019, 8:03 AM Sam Sokolik  wrote:

> My guess is that whatever signal you are sending to adaptive feed isn't
> actually going to 0...
>
> On Mon, May 6, 2019, 9:56 AM a k  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > i use  m52, to stop and slow down cnc.
> > M52 part of the program (main part).
> > already few people did tune up parameters to m52, and it start work
> > better-- STOP any motion of cnc, but at the best i can see that cnc move
> > 0.001 per 3 seconds.
> > if i need to stop for 5 minutes it be 0.01 total motion.
> > if programmed feed be 2 " /min in compare to 100" /min , same tune up for
> > M52 will have different result for creeping.
> > y/n?
> > i think it be good to ad self adjustable loop.
> > where system will see if it move and how fast / hove much it move and
> base
> > on that adjust -increase/decrease parameters for M52.
> >
> > thanks
> > aram
> >
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[Emc-users] M52

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Hi
i use  m52, to stop and slow down cnc.
M52 part of the program (main part).
already few people did tune up parameters to m52, and it start work
better-- STOP any motion of cnc, but at the best i can see that cnc move
0.001 per 3 seconds.
if i need to stop for 5 minutes it be 0.01 total motion.
if programmed feed be 2 " /min in compare to 100" /min , same tune up for
M52 will have different result for creeping.
y/n?
i think it be good to ad self adjustable loop.
where system will see if it move and how fast / hove much it move and base
on that adjust -increase/decrease parameters for M52.

thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] Encoder down

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Finally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwYzcD33VXk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1Edx5CPNYE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJwBP4ajHqU

hi
this is some video after i made my motor work again
this video can help to everyone to see how to fix ac servomotor

thanks
aram

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 1:28 AM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 01:24, Jon Elson  wrote:
>
> > Yes, for AC servos, the encoder has to be aligned to the
> > magnets in the motor.
>
> If exchanging encoders this should be possible just by making suitable
> alignment marks when disassembling.
>
> (I have swapped an encoder for a resolver on a motor and it still
> worked afterwards)
>
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> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> lunatics."
> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916
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[Emc-users] drive -s94s080y2n

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hi
i want to ask about drive s94s080y2n
to where i input single phase 240 ( 120 , 120  vac)
main voltage 120/240 , and on drive marked output 230Vac.

when i use voltmeter -what voltage should i see on output?
between u and ground: ?
between u and v ; v and w; ?
Machine just ON.
no motion on any axis.
i did measure vac but it is not what i expect

thanks
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[Emc-users] encoder -- put in

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hi
this is from usdigital about encoders and video !



You can find the EC35 assembly instructions on our website here:
https://cdn.usdigital.com/assets/assembly/EC35%20Assembly%20Instructions.pdf

And an assembly video on our website here:
https://www.usdigital.com/products/encoders/incremental/rotary/kit/EC35



that small tool from them that can replace osiloscopp can help!

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Re: [Emc-users] LCNC logic

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hi
last time i did wired motor drive was in 2004, i forgot things.
i need look not from drive side -pin but from 7i33 side.
7i33 pin amp P3
(connector)
2 ENCA0 1
3/ ENCA0   2
4GND7;1;18;
5 ENCB0 3
6/ENCB0 4
8  IDX05
9 /IDX0   6
11AOUT0 23
13  ENA017
///
if new drive has same pin then it can be used.
i took this print from documentation, part where talk about useful hardware.
i am right? it was 15 years ago,
there was part where hardware like servo motor, drive , boards etc had
table with corresponding pins.
question: does that part of documentation still exist and does new hardware
were added . ?
it can be very helpful .
probably new mfg of new hardware need to add /manage that part.

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On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 4:24 PM Jon Elson  wrote:

> On 03/09/2019 12:05 PM, a k wrote:
> > hi
> > i am interesting in LCNC logic - how it work
> > for situation when LCNC command to axis to move 4" ,
> > and in case if axis moved only 3" ,for any reason like
> > 1- axis hit obstacle;
> > 2- power wire broke;
> >
> > question-- how LCNC knows that need E-STOP?
> If your servo amplifiers trip on overcurrent, they will
> signal an E-stop on the E-stop loop circuit.
>
> If not, then the motion component is constantly watching
> following error, and if the error exceeds the limits you
> have set in the .ini file for each axis (MIN_FERROR is a
> constant limit, and FERROR is a velocity-proportional
> increase in the limit) then LinuxCNC goes to the Machine-OFF
> state (same as pressing F2).  So, that is not exactly the
> same as an E-stop condition.
>
> This will also stop all axes and give an error message such
> as "following error on Axis 2".
>
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[Emc-users] LCNC logic

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hi
i am interesting in LCNC logic - how it work
for situation when LCNC command to axis to move 4" ,
and in case if axis moved only 3" ,for any reason like
1- axis hit obstacle;
2- power wire broke;

question-- how LCNC knows that need E-STOP?

1- axis over load with power and because of that E-STOP ( but this will not
work in case of wire broke - because there is no power over load ...)
2- time go and encoder does not move to where it should go or moves too
slow.
i think that it is encoder signal that tells to LCNC if system ok or need
E-STOP.
y /n?
/

LCNC does not care what communication between servo motor and drive.
LCNC only care to drive be:
1- analog velocity mode with =/- 10 v;
2-incremental quadracha feed back;

any pack -servo motor+drive - that has such output ok to LCNC.
//
below 25 pin in my existing drive (LENZE SD 94).

which from existing 25 pin do i need/should to connect to NEW type of
drive?


1) EA+ encoder Chanel A
2) EA- encoder chanel A not
3)  EB+  encoder B
4)   EB-  encoder  B  not
5)  EZ+   encoder Z(??? from my existing LENZE drive)
6)  EZ -  encoder Z not
7)  GND drive common
8)SHLD Shield
9)+5 v
10) IN2digital input#2  (  no need )
11)MA+/Step + master encoder A+/ step input+  ( ?? do i need this)
12)  MB-/Step -   master encoder A-/step input -  ( ?? do i need this )
13) MB+/Dir+  master encoder B +/ direction input+  (??   )
14)  MB-/Dir-   master encoder B-/ direction input -
15)   out1-c   programmable output oc#1 collector  ( ??? )
16)   OUT1-E  programmable output OC #1 Emitter. (???  )
17) IN1   digital input #1 (enable)(???  )
18)  IN_COM digital input COM  (  )
19) OUT2-C  programmable output OC #2 collector
20)  OUT2-E programmable output OC# 2 emitter
21)  AO   programmable analog output +/- 10V
22) GND   drive logic common
23) IN+   positive(+) of analog signal input
24)  IN-negative (-)  of analog signal input
25)   AG reference signal ground/analog shield

/

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Re: [Emc-users] http://www.dmm-tech.com/products_main.html ?

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hi
Andy
what about
" The closed loop drive has the ability to issue an
e-stop if it gets out of synch and can't fix it, and you should add that
alarm pin to the lcnc e-stop logic in your hal file"
1. this only software code add in or need allocate wire -hardware etc.
2. is a there description on documentation where talk about add e-stop in
case of using close loop system?

thanks you
aram

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> On Wed, 6 Mar 2019 at 03:36, a k  wrote:
>
> > Big question : is it possible on one system LCNC have 2 axis using open
> > loop (where software tune axis) and one axis that is close loop?
>
> Yes, LinuxCNC doesn't know or care.
>
> You could even run a gantry with a linear motor on one side and a
> stepper motor on the other. It would be daft, but it would work.
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[Emc-users] http://www.dmm-tech.com/products_main.html ?

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Hi
i found this mfg of ac servo and drive
http://www.dmm-tech.com/products_main.html

did anyone used try this motor+drive?
it is close loop system
and manufacture said that on LCNC i can use 2 motor drive that i had from
2003 and one axis will be use this DMM  teck motor+ drive

Big question : is it possible on one system LCNC have 2 axis using open
loop (where software tune axis) and one axis that is close loop?

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Re: [Emc-users] new type servomotor??

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hi
what about motor with drive that post link to it
https://dmm-store-shopify.myshopify.com
he said it is ac servo motor + his drive  can go to 7i33 , and some people
use it on lcnc
it is close loop and use step and direction.
i have 2 good working motor old type and i need to replace only one . can i
do that?
old knowledge not enough any more.
did any one implement into system one axis with step and direction?

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:36 PM Chris Albertson 
wrote:

> It probably might be best to buy a new kind of motor and driver.  Maybe
> more cost-effective.  But to select a motor you need to know more than just
> the physical size (NEMA34).You need to know how much torque and speed
> is required as well.
>
> If you are going to use step/direction type interface then there is another
> new technology -- "closed loop steppers" that are lower cost.
> Stepper-online has a few in NEMA34 size.They run cool and are silent
>
> The best part about step/direction is the servo loop and be VERY fast
> because they are using DSP chips, not software on a PC.
>
> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:44 PM a k  wrote:
>
> > hi
> > i start call search for servo motor and all that knew from 2004 is not
> good
> > any more.
> > there are no more encoder with pulses per quadracha 8192 puls, and
> technic
> > in New York
> > put servo drive into motor!
> > and encoder has 8 wires.
> > my motor from 2004 has 15 pins.
> > another
> >
> >
> https://dmm-store-shopify.myshopify.com/products/dst-0-1kw-ac-servo-motor?variant=23269772678&utm_campaign=gs-2018-12-19&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gclid=Cj0KCQiAtvPjBRDPARIsAJfZz0pixGYwP2ReXgL-GGvZVKMwuAesLit1CHY-04mbuKliLjVy1MRfEJwaAl7jEALw_wcB
> >
> > has nema 34 but his encoder output serial signal 16 000 and to use this
> > motor need get his drive.
> > he said that no more tuning from LCNC. drive tune motor. and LCNC need
> use
> > pulse and direction to talk to this new type of drive.
> > did some one try this?
> > did any one use Hadson servo motor made by technic?
> > HIWIN also have servo motor on web.
> > also this -
> >
> >
> https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema-34-dc-servo-motor/
> >
> > i want to know which one i can use to replace my servodinamics , because
> > technology has change . i want to replace only one motor /drive that i
> have
> > problem with min problem.
> >
> > need to start learning new generation of servomotors !
> >
> > thank you
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[Emc-users] new type servomotor??

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hi
i start call search for servo motor and all that knew from 2004 is not good
any more.
there are no more encoder with pulses per quadracha 8192 puls, and technic
in New York
put servo drive into motor!
and encoder has 8 wires.
my motor from 2004 has 15 pins.
another
https://dmm-store-shopify.myshopify.com/products/dst-0-1kw-ac-servo-motor?variant=23269772678&utm_campaign=gs-2018-12-19&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gclid=Cj0KCQiAtvPjBRDPARIsAJfZz0pixGYwP2ReXgL-GGvZVKMwuAesLit1CHY-04mbuKliLjVy1MRfEJwaAl7jEALw_wcB

has nema 34 but his encoder output serial signal 16 000 and to use this
motor need get his drive.
he said that no more tuning from LCNC. drive tune motor. and LCNC need use
pulse and direction to talk to this new type of drive.
did some one try this?
did any one use Hadson servo motor made by technic?
HIWIN also have servo motor on web.
also this -
https://www.automationtechnologiesinc.com/products-page/nema-34-dc-servo-motor/

i want to know which one i can use to replace my servodinamics , because
technology has change . i want to replace only one motor /drive that i have
problem with min problem.

need to start learning new generation of servomotors !

thank you
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Re: [Emc-users] Encoder down

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Hi
One thing that I noticed day before problem with encoder.
I am using m52 to stop feed with 5 vdc that converted to frequency etc,
When I stop feed, machine has changes in few thausands .
X and y axis moved in few thausands but z axis was more quite .
And next day z axis motor stop working.
That may indicate something


On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 7:01 PM a k  wrote:

> Hi
> Stuart
> Phone is there, maybe even same number but owner different.
> I did call few years ago and another company did purchased original
> servodinamics.
>
> Motors drive not exactly same. Today owner say that original servodinamic
> was very small business etc
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 5:38 PM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:
>
>> Aram,
>> I just searched for aerodynamics. I called the telephone number on the web
>> page. Servo dynamics' phone system answered and told me if I knew my
>> party's extension I could dial it at any time. I hung up at that time. It
>> looks as if the report of their demise is a little premature.
>> Thanks
>> Stuart
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 5:26 PM a k  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi
>> > I just found that encoder on my servomotor stop working.
>> > I turn shaft and number does not changing.
>> > Enverything was good yesterday .
>> > Today not.
>> > It is servodynamic motor. Company not exist any more.
>> > I did not run it whole a lot.
>> > How I can check that it is encoder motor and not a drive?
>> >
>> > Also, if I find similar size nema 34 , do I need to return again?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Aram
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 1:59 PM Thaddeus Waldner 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I have a small machine with spindle motor driven by a Toshiba VFS-11
>> vfd.
>> > > I currently have a forward and reverse signal controlling the drive
>> but I
>> > > need to be able to control the speed. From what I’ve seen, this drive
>> > > connects digitally via the modus protocol, and someone actually wrote
>> a
>> > > driver for this drive for LinuxCNC. Can someone direct me to a list of
>> > > instructions on how to get it set up that way?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Thaddeus Waldner
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Re: [Emc-users] Encoder down

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Hi
Stuart
Phone is there, maybe even same number but owner different.
I did call few years ago and another company did purchased original
servodinamics.

Motors drive not exactly same. Today owner say that original servodinamic
was very small business etc




On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 5:38 PM Stuart Stevenson  wrote:

> Aram,
> I just searched for aerodynamics. I called the telephone number on the web
> page. Servo dynamics' phone system answered and told me if I knew my
> party's extension I could dial it at any time. I hung up at that time. It
> looks as if the report of their demise is a little premature.
> Thanks
> Stuart
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 5:26 PM a k  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > I just found that encoder on my servomotor stop working.
> > I turn shaft and number does not changing.
> > Enverything was good yesterday .
> > Today not.
> > It is servodynamic motor. Company not exist any more.
> > I did not run it whole a lot.
> > How I can check that it is encoder motor and not a drive?
> >
> > Also, if I find similar size nema 34 , do I need to return again?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Aram
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 1:59 PM Thaddeus Waldner 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I have a small machine with spindle motor driven by a Toshiba VFS-11
> vfd.
> > > I currently have a forward and reverse signal controlling the drive
> but I
> > > need to be able to control the speed. From what I’ve seen, this drive
> > > connects digitally via the modus protocol, and someone actually wrote a
> > > driver for this drive for LinuxCNC. Can someone direct me to a list of
> > > instructions on how to get it set up that way?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Thaddeus Waldner
> > >
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Re: [Emc-users] Encoder down

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Hi
Jon
There is name there but different ownership.
Logo of servodynamic has change - owner change too
Similar products

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019, 5:24 PM Jon Elson  wrote:

> On 03/03/2019 06:28 PM, a k wrote:
> > i did open one motor before, very same type. it did not work after.
> Yes, for AC servos, the encoder has to be aligned to the
> magnets in the motor.
>
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[Emc-users] ac servo motor nema34

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hi
i did not look for servo motor for long time.
in 2004 i did buy motor from servodinamics. and it was it.
motor not good now
is there source-distributors of similar low cost motors --
thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] Encoder down

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i did open one motor before, very same type. it did not work after.
i better take motor to some shop.
i think in ac servo motor encoder aliened to magnetic wave etc, and i have
no knowledge how to deal with it.
better some shop - let them see it
this motor has a brake for z axis, but  shaft moves ok.


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> On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 at 00:14, a k  wrote:
>
> > it is motor encoder not good. that is not repair able
>
> Have a look inside the motor end cover, it might be a standard part.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] Encoder down

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i did move encoder cable to another drive , no change number in lcnc, and
move another encoder cable to z drive and number changing.

it is motor encoder not good. that is not repair able so need new/another
ac servo motor nema34

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 3:54 PM a k  wrote:

> hi
> changing number are in linuxcnc where x ok y ok and z axis encoder does
> not changing.
> my drive linze and led on it ok.
> i will swap encoder cable to another drive to see if any change.
>
> On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 3:38 PM andy pugh  wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 23:26, a k  wrote:
>>
>> > I just found that encoder on my servomotor stop working.
>> > I turn shaft and number does not changing.
>> > Enverything was good yesterday .
>> > Today not.
>> > It is servodynamic motor. Company not exist any more.
>>
>> Maybe the LED has died. Is there any current flow on the power supply
>> to the encoder?
>>
>> --
>> atp
>> "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is
>> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
>> lunatics."
>> — George Fitch, Atlanta Constitution Newspaper, 1916
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hi
changing number are in linuxcnc where x ok y ok and z axis encoder does not
changing.
my drive linze and led on it ok.
i will swap encoder cable to another drive to see if any change.

On Sun, Mar 3, 2019 at 3:38 PM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 23:26, a k  wrote:
>
> > I just found that encoder on my servomotor stop working.
> > I turn shaft and number does not changing.
> > Enverything was good yesterday .
> > Today not.
> > It is servodynamic motor. Company not exist any more.
>
> Maybe the LED has died. Is there any current flow on the power supply
> to the encoder?
>
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> designed for the especial use of mechanical geniuses, daredevils and
> lunatics."
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[Emc-users] Encoder down

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Hi
I just found that encoder on my servomotor stop working.
I turn shaft and number does not changing.
Enverything was good yesterday .
Today not.
It is servodynamic motor. Company not exist any more.
I did not run it whole a lot.
How I can check that it is encoder motor and not a drive?

Also, if I find similar size nema 34 , do I need to return again?

Thanks
Aram









On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 1:59 PM Thaddeus Waldner  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a small machine with spindle motor driven by a Toshiba VFS-11 vfd.
> I currently have a forward and reverse signal controlling the drive but I
> need to be able to control the speed. From what I’ve seen, this drive
> connects digitally via the modus protocol, and someone actually wrote a
> driver for this drive for LinuxCNC. Can someone direct me to a list of
> instructions on how to get it set up that way?
>
> Thanks,
> Thaddeus Waldner
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[Emc-users] delete

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hi
forget how to delete file from linuxcnc.
in directory:
open linuxcnc- OPEN- program that  was run before.
i want delete file - program that i run.
use command  rm. (from google)
file can be deleted only from terminal -right?
so
x@debian: rm home/x/desktop/linuxcnc/m304b

file that need to  delete  m304b
also, some file in directory start linuxcnc -- open- file -- show with
extention   .txt  some does not show any extention.
is file name only that what show up?

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[Emc-users] turbine

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hi
youtube sent to me this video
https://youtu.be/ktF0dPyL890

this video in has narration in other language but it is enough only to see
what this person does.
he use manual mill and rotary table and look what he build machine with it.
he machine turbine wheels for his project --- small jet engine for real
flying plane drone etc. market for small drone for commercial use is big
and none of small drone came with miniature real jet engine so far.
i bring this up because when i start learning emc2 linuxcnc the idea was -
i will use knowledge to make a money etc to return investment. that did not
happen so far.
if i saw such video 10 years ago , that can make big difference for me.
(person that on video knows about how design calculate profile of jet
engine blade -from narration . )
do not need big shop big machine also.
some thinking ..

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Re: [Emc-users] xsy-at1

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i did try to power servo drive with single phase 240v ac.
single phase 240 v ac that what usually residential area have.
phase to phase 240 v ac, and phase to ground 120 v ac.
it work.
i start think that if i use inverter that will take single phase 240 ac and
convert it to 3 phase may be even better.
servo drive input mark l1 l2 l3 and ground 240 v ac.


On Sat, Dec 1, 2018 at 7:14 AM andy pugh  wrote:

> On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 at 03:25, a k  wrote:
>
> >
> > but i plan to power with it my ac servo motor amplifier- that need 3
> phase
> > 220 240 v ac.
>
>
> Are you sure that the servo drive won't work off single phase? The first
> stage of nearly all of them is a rectifier and smoothing caps, so single
> phase works just as well as three-phase.
>
> It is quite possible that the servo drive will be so much the wrong load
> for the VFD that it won't work at all.
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[Emc-users] xsy-at1

[a k]

hi
i got phase converter xsy at1.
did anyone program such inverter - phase converter ?
it did not came with good instruction.
google +youtube have something about
i will use it not to drive motor as all sample on google
but i plan to power with it my ac servo motor amplifier- that need 3 phase
220 240 v ac.
in my case there is no acceleration or declaration like motor has  y/n?

thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] plug in

[a k]

In first email I did say that after loading software code block on ubuntu
16.04 = ubuntu software == stop work.
It stop show what software install stop show anything.

On Jul 15, 2018 5:07 PM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:

> On Sunday 15 July 2018 16:25:27 a k wrote:
>
> > i just load this http://www.codeblocks.org/
> > and problem start.
> > should such problem show up because loading program?
> >
> Perhaps you should actually define the problem? Some of us are pretty
> good, given a clue or 2, but none of us are mind readers.
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Chris Albertson
> >  >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > First off many people can use different Linux distributions with no
> > > issues. If you have different experience then likely it is because
> > > of something you have done different from most others
> > >
> > > My first guess is that if C++ code you wrote causes a problem at the
> > > system level then likely, maybe you are running as "root".  It is
> > > almost always a mistake.
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 11:47 AM a k  wrote:
> > > > hi
> > > > interesting about operating system to where plug in different
> > > > thing like linuxcnc
> > > > plug in as good as system which it use.
> > > > i use ubuntu 16.04. very good. very easy to get to internet. what
> > > > else need?
> > > > only after i load code block ( c++ programming) instantly "Ubuntu
> > >
> > > software"
> > >
> > > > stop working - does not open - say no software etc.
> > > > something wrong , right?
> > > > i load in ubuntu 18.04 and this release even can not be install -
> > >
> > > computer
> > >
> > > > can not load it in.
> > > > can load 16.04 and can not load 18.04
> > > > is anyone else have similar problem?
> > > > why people that work on debian can not joint with conical software
> > > > people and deliver one system that actually work good ?
> > > > no problem pay for something that actually work . ( not as much as
> > >
> > > windows)
> > >
> > > > just some idea.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > aram
> > > >
> > > > 
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Re: [Emc-users] plug in

[a k]

i just load this http://www.codeblocks.org/
and problem start.
should such problem show up because loading program?



On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 12:23 PM, Chris Albertson  wrote:

> First off many people can use different Linux distributions with no issues.
>If you have different experience then likely it is because of something
> you have done different from most others
>
> My first guess is that if C++ code you wrote causes a problem at the system
> level then likely, maybe you are running as "root".  It is almost always a
> mistake.
>
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 11:47 AM a k  wrote:
>
> > hi
> > interesting about operating system to where plug in different thing like
> > linuxcnc
> > plug in as good as system which it use.
> > i use ubuntu 16.04. very good. very easy to get to internet. what else
> > need?
> > only after i load code block ( c++ programming) instantly "Ubuntu
> software"
> > stop working - does not open - say no software etc.
> > something wrong , right?
> > i load in ubuntu 18.04 and this release even can not be install -
> computer
> > can not load it in.
> > can load 16.04 and can not load 18.04
> > is anyone else have similar problem?
> > why people that work on debian can not joint with conical software people
> > and deliver one system that actually work good ?
> > no problem pay for something that actually work . ( not as much as
> windows)
> > just some idea.
> >
> >
> > aram
> >
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[Emc-users] plug in

[a k]

hi
interesting about operating system to where plug in different thing like
linuxcnc
plug in as good as system which it use.
i use ubuntu 16.04. very good. very easy to get to internet. what else need?
only after i load code block ( c++ programming) instantly "Ubuntu software"
stop working - does not open - say no software etc.
something wrong , right?
i load in ubuntu 18.04 and this release even can not be install - computer
can not load it in.
can load 16.04 and can not load 18.04
is anyone else have similar problem?
why people that work on debian can not joint with conical software people
and deliver one system that actually work good ?
no problem pay for something that actually work . ( not as much as windows)
just some idea.


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[Emc-users] magnetic field

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hi
i was thinking about problem that i got and have some ideas.
when one come close to the large motor - any motor - size of motorcycle or
small car , possible to notice that hair - start move. like someone
touching it.
right?
this is magnetic field touching. right?
such large motor always grounded. only super large business use such
motors.
i am talking about such large motor because no  need to special
magnetometor to detect magnetic field- hair is enough .
what will happen if next to such motor put any coil or any metal body
-sheet metal etc?
the electricity will be generated. right?
if one will grounded this metallic part /coil next to large motor , what
will happen?
that will effect large motor through magnetic field- without direct contact
to any large motor wiring etc.
my point. every motor will generate magnetic field - outside of motor body.
this magnetic field will have very strong robust effect on metal object
that close to motor as much as effect motor performance them self.
if some coil must be placed close to the motor then such motor must be tune
in same environment-situation.

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Re: [Emc-users] wiring. axis move?

[a k]

Hi
I did check wiring.
It was same as when machine work  last time 8 month ago.
I did remove all 3 motor drive from inside aluminum box and mount them on
outside wall of same aluminum .
Result.
All axis working good.  No uncontrollable motion of axis.

Maybe problem is that drive generate magnetic field that like induction
create current on metallic box?
I am using linze motor drive. I have them from 2004.
Besides that they do not like to be inside metal box no problem for 14
years.

I will make box from plywood . And see result.











On Mar 25, 2018 5:29 PM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:

On Sunday 25 March 2018 15:02:45 John Kasunich wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 24, 2018, at 5:54 PM, a k wrote:
> > I use small tester.

Which does not tell us a thing about what it can measure, please relate
the make and model as some of us might recognize it.

> > I measure supply 120 v ac.

Thats another problem, the std line voltage has been 127 volts for
several decades. I would at least compare what this one reads against a
known good meter, because either your building wiring is wonkie, or that
meter belongs in the trashbin, thats about a 5% error.

> > Meter works.

I won't give it credit for being accurate.

> > Axis was moving by them self.
>
> THIS:
> > Touch box with real ground and breaker turn off.
>
> Means you have something screwed up.
>
> STOP and figure out what it is before you kill yourself or someone
> else.

I'll second this. You have a serious, potentially lethal problem. Please
get someone in there who can find and fix it. We aren't interested in
reading about you in the obit columns of the local papers.

> > Between box and real ground tester read 30 v ac
>
> Maybe that means your wiring error is on the secondary side of your
> power supply transformer.



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Re: [Emc-users] wiring. axis move?

[a k]

I use small tester.
I measure supply 120 v ac.
Meter works.
Axis was moving by them self.
Touch box with real ground and breaker turn off.
Between box and real ground tester read 30 v ac



On Mar 24, 2018 2:39 PM, "Peter Blodow"  wrote:

> Aram, an aluminum box will not shield magnetic noise, you would need heavy
> iron walls for that. Aluminum - as any electrically conductive material -
> will only help keeping electrostatic noise out, but for this purpose, it
> must be connected to a good ground (earth). Telling from your description,
> the box is connected to some potential other than ground, and/or the mains
> leads carry some other voltage than just zero and 115 VAC. Check the
> voltage supply carefully, you may even be in danger of an electric stroke!
> What kind of voltage meter did you use to measure those 30 V AC? Try to
> repeat this measurement with a load, like a light bulb,connected parallel
> to the meter! There may be just some stray voltage if the meter is
> sensitive enough, meaning that it may have a very high impedance to show
> harmless stray potentials. In any case, your mains supply is suspicious.
>
> Peter
>
> Am 24.03.2018 um 21:28 schrieb a k:
>
>> Hello
>> It is sound strange but that what I have.
>> I build box 3 3 3 feet
>> And put all motor drive inside of it.
>> Why ?
>> This box build out of aluminum plate and holds together with bolts.
>> When all drive inside I have problem ==axis move by them self.
>> When I pull out all motor droves, they all working good.
>> I build this box to protect against outside magnetic  noise  = was logical
>> Right ?
>> But it is not what real situation .
>>
>> Something not ok,
>> Was I wrong with building aluminum box?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2018 5:12 PM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:
>>
>> On Friday 23 March 2018 19:24:58 a k wrote:
>>>
>>> I am in portland .
>>>> 30 to 40 v ac I read between water pipe _ which is real ground and
>>>> ground on the outlet pin that has cylindrical shape.
>>>> Is this normal?
>>>>
>>>> No!
>>>
>>> But inspect that pipe, every inch of it all the way to real dirt. There
>>> may be a plastic connector, inserted someplace which will break that
>>> good ground connection. If so, jumper it from one side to the other with
>>> a solidly bolted connection using at least 10 gage solid copper wire.
>>>
>>> Water, depending on its purity is at best a poor conductor, although it
>>> can kill you, and really pure water (distilled or deionized) is an
>>> excellent insulator.
>>>
>>> On Mar 23, 2018 4:03 PM, "Chris Albertson" 
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aram,
>>>>>
>>>>> Where to you live?  In North America, UK, ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Building wiring conventions are different in different places. but
>>>>> in general your system, taken as a whole needs to be connected to
>>>>> exactly ONE ground reference.  No more no less.  The best way to
>>>>> place a bolt some place and define that is "The Ground"
>>>>>
>>>> And all static grounds are to be stacked on this single bolt.
>>>
>>> If you have 30+ volts AC on a ground pin  on an outlet you have a
>>>>> problem that needs to be looked at by a good electrician.   It
>>>>> should never be that high.   Some cases are thinks like corosion and
>>>>> loose connections.   One cause I that think of is that in some older
>>>>> buildings they were allowed to use metal conduit as the ground
>>>>> connection.  Works OK at first but metal conduit rusts ofter time.
>>>>> Now day's we are required to pull a group cable
>>>>>
>>>> with its own static ground in this cable.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 2:04 PM, a k  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>> i reassemble my lcnc mill, and i found that axis move by them
>>>>>> self. i think it is something to do with static electricity.
>>>>>> i found ground - and when grounded lcnc body of machine - breaker
>>>>>> turn
>>>>>>
>>>>> off.
>>>>>
>>>>> i measure with dc voltage between machine and ground 2. vdc and
>>>>>> when i measure ac voltage between lcnc machine and ground it w

Re: [Emc-users] wiring. axis move?

[a k]

Hello
It is sound strange but that what I have.
I build box 3 3 3 feet
And put all motor drive inside of it.
Why ?
This box build out of aluminum plate and holds together with bolts.
When all drive inside I have problem ==axis move by them self.
When I pull out all motor droves, they all working good.
I build this box to protect against outside magnetic  noise  = was logical
Right ?
But it is not what real situation .

Something not ok,
Was I wrong with building aluminum box?













On Mar 23, 2018 5:12 PM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:

> On Friday 23 March 2018 19:24:58 a k wrote:
>
> > I am in portland .
> > 30 to 40 v ac I read between water pipe _ which is real ground and
> > ground on the outlet pin that has cylindrical shape.
> > Is this normal?
> >
> No!
>
> But inspect that pipe, every inch of it all the way to real dirt. There
> may be a plastic connector, inserted someplace which will break that
> good ground connection. If so, jumper it from one side to the other with
> a solidly bolted connection using at least 10 gage solid copper wire.
>
> Water, depending on its purity is at best a poor conductor, although it
> can kill you, and really pure water (distilled or deionized) is an
> excellent insulator.
>
> > On Mar 23, 2018 4:03 PM, "Chris Albertson" 
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Aram,
> > >
> > > Where to you live?  In North America, UK, ?
> > >
> > > Building wiring conventions are different in different places. but
> > > in general your system, taken as a whole needs to be connected to
> > > exactly ONE ground reference.  No more no less.  The best way to
> > > place a bolt some place and define that is "The Ground"
>
> And all static grounds are to be stacked on this single bolt.
>
> > > If you have 30+ volts AC on a ground pin  on an outlet you have a
> > > problem that needs to be looked at by a good electrician.   It
> > > should never be that high.   Some cases are thinks like corosion and
> > > loose connections.   One cause I that think of is that in some older
> > > buildings they were allowed to use metal conduit as the ground
> > > connection.  Works OK at first but metal conduit rusts ofter time.
>
> > > Now day's we are required to pull a group cable
> with its own static ground in this cable.
>
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 2:04 PM, a k  wrote:
> > > > hi
> > > > i reassemble my lcnc mill, and i found that axis move by them
> > > > self. i think it is something to do with static electricity.
> > > > i found ground - and when grounded lcnc body of machine - breaker
> > > > turn
> > >
> > > off.
> > >
> > > > i measure with dc voltage between machine and ground 2. vdc and
> > > > when i measure ac voltage between lcnc machine and ground it was
> > > > 35 v AC.
> > > >
> > > > i know that when use real ground like a water pipe and ground in
> > > > outlet there always will be current they always be 30 v ac.
> > > > can it cause problem?
>
> Yes, and while I'm commenting on a plastic connector, its entirely
> possible that a teflon taped water pipe joint could be an insulator.
>
> > > > thanks
> > > > aram
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Re: [Emc-users] wiring. axis move?

[a k]

I am in portland .
30 to 40 v ac I read between water pipe _ which is real ground and ground
on the outlet pin that has cylindrical shape.
Is this normal?




On Mar 23, 2018 4:03 PM, "Chris Albertson" 
wrote:

> Aram,
>
> Where to you live?  In North America, UK, ?
>
> Building wiring conventions are different in different places. but in
> general your system, taken as a whole needs to be connected to exactly ONE
> ground reference.  No more no less.  The best way to place a bolt some
> place and define that is "The Ground"
>
> If you have 30+ volts AC on a ground pin  on an outlet you have a problem
> that needs to be looked at by a good electrician.   It should never be that
> high.   Some cases are thinks like corosion and loose connections.   One
> cause I that think of is that in some older buildings they were allowed to
> use metal conduit as the ground connection.  Works OK at first but meta
> conduit rusts ofter time.  Now day we are required to pull a group cable
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 2:04 PM, a k  wrote:
>
> > hi
> > i reassemble my lcnc mill, and i found that axis move by them self.
> > i think it is something to do with static electricity.
> > i found ground - and when grounded lcnc body of machine - breaker turn
> off.
> > i measure with dc voltage between machine and ground 2. vdc and when i
> > measure ac voltage between lcnc machine and ground it was 35 v AC.
> >
> > i know that when use real ground like a water pipe and ground in outlet
> > there always will be current they always be 30 v ac.
> > can it cause problem?
> >
> > thanks
> > aram
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Re: [Emc-users] wiring. axis move?

[a k]

Hi
When you said wide pin,
Do you mean pin that looks like round /cylindrical shape?
And there also 2 flat shape pins.



On Mar 23, 2018 3:00 PM, "Gene Heskett"  wrote:

> On Friday 23 March 2018 17:04:51 a k wrote:
>
> > hi
> > i reassemble my lcnc mill, and i found that axis move by them self.
> > i think it is something to do with static electricity.
> > i found ground - and when grounded lcnc body of machine - breaker turn
> > off. i measure with dc voltage between machine and ground 2. vdc and
> > when i measure ac voltage between lcnc machine and ground it was 35 v
> > AC.
> >
> > i know that when use real ground like a water pipe and ground in
> > outlet there always will be current they always be 30 v ac.
> > can it cause problem?
> >
> Yes, probably by blowing "pins" on the interface card. Most of this stuff
> is 5 volt, or 3.3 volt. 30 volts will blow it.
>
> You either do not have a useable static ground on your machine or its
> wired wrong, machine or building to be determined. I've had to correct a
> goodly number of so-called static grounds made up by a carpenter that
> knew nothing about the NEC code book and treated them as
> interchangeable.
>
> Static grounds are to be bridged to powerline neutral ONLY at the
> building service entrance according to our NEC. If you are not capable,
> get an electrician who is. There is no shame in doing so.
>
> Basically, with that single connection opened in the service, and the
> building entrance breaker opened, there should be no continuity between
> the static ground and anything that is the wide pin of a wall socket, or
> to an earthen ground. The building, if you have continuity to the narrow
> pin of a wall socket, make sure everything is turned off first, but the
> person who wired it, maybe 40+ years ago, is color blind. And you stand
> a good chance of being shocked, or worse...
>
> Connected back up, but the breaker still off, you should get not more
> than an ohm, maybe 2 ohms, between the static ground and the neutral
> (wide pin) of a wall socket, any and all places in the building.
>
> Good luck.
>
> > thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] wiring. axis move?

[a k]

want to add
when i turn axis -ball screw figure change  on lcnc.
so encoder good.
looks like  ,

On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 5:04 PM, a k  wrote:

> hi
> i reassemble my lcnc mill, and i found that axis move by them self.
> i think it is something to do with static electricity.
> i found ground - and when grounded lcnc body of machine - breaker turn
> off.
> i measure with dc voltage between machine and ground 2. vdc and when i
> measure ac voltage between lcnc machine and ground it was 35 v AC.
>
> i know that when use real ground like a water pipe and ground in outlet
> there always will be current they always be 30 v ac.
> can it cause problem?
>
> thanks
> aram
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[Emc-users] wiring. axis move?

[a k]

hi
i reassemble my lcnc mill, and i found that axis move by them self.
i think it is something to do with static electricity.
i found ground - and when grounded lcnc body of machine - breaker turn off.
i measure with dc voltage between machine and ground 2. vdc and when i
measure ac voltage between lcnc machine and ground it was 35 v AC.

i know that when use real ground like a water pipe and ground in outlet
there always will be current they always be 30 v ac.
can it cause problem?

thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.

[a k]

better to say, how they program tool path?
do they use slicing software (cura, etc) , i do not believe so?? but who
knows maybe

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 1:28 PM, a k  wrote:

> how they did that ?
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8BLyMryzQ8&t=175s
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOarxQRKW9o
>
> small cube is my.
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 7:42 PM, Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
>
>> On Sunday 11 March 2018 15:57:59 Chris Albertson wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:28 PM, a k  wrote:
>> > > I already talk about why I can not use slicing program .
>> >
>> > I missed.  Maybe you can re-post.
>> >
>> > > If one can do change to existing slicing software then I am
>> > > interesting to talk.
>> >
>> > Of course software can be changed.   It is just a text file you can
>> > edit.   The key is having EXACT testable requirements.  Software
>> > projects typically fail when the goal can't be clearly stated.
>> >
>> >
>> > One way to state the problem and a proposed solution is to make a most
>> > simple part possible.If the machine is a 3D printer this simplest
>> > part might be to draw one line of plastic one nozzle width wide and 1
>> > mm long directly on the base place.  It would be a tiny part 1mm long
>> > by 0.4mm wide and 0.2mm tall.  The code file would have about 3 or 4
>> > lines after a standard "boiler plate".
>> >
>> > Don't do exactly that, but if you do start with a very trivial example
>> > the entire g-code fits in a short email.
>> >
>> > The other problem is a procedural.   Each email lacks the context of
>> > there discussion few people will remember details for days able if
>> > they read 100 emails a day.  For example I'm reading/wrinting about
>> > design of a human-like hand and the cost of linear actuators, about
>> > ball bearing design and a software project.  and a few other things.
>> > I suspect everyone has multiple projects that move slow.
>> >
>> > Maybe the best thing you can do is explain the machine you have and
>> > the problem to be solved and a method for determining of a proposed
>> > solution solves the problem.Perhaps place this on a web page so
>> > you don't have to re-write this 100 times.
>>
>> Along about now also seems to be a good place to explain how free
>> software works.
>>
>> Suppose programer A has an itch, so he writes a piece of code that
>> scratches his itch, and is currently makeing 4000 of this itch scratcher
>> a day.  His itch has been scratched, but your itch isn't in the same
>> place, so while his solution is similar, he'll have to modify that code
>> in order to scratch your itch. But he is a working man, and to rewrite
>> his code to scratch your itch, he'll have to stop whatever he is doing,
>> which is buying his groceries and making the house payments. Generally
>> he is going to expect that this missed income will be replaced by
>> charging you for the time it takes to do this modification. You are not
>> paying for the code, but the coders time. This makes all the difference
>> in the GPL world. This modified code is also subject to the GPL in that
>> if you pass it on to your brother-in-law, the complete src file kit must
>> be made available to anyone who has a copy of the executable that came
>> from you.
>>
>> There are probably 20+ people on this list who could handle this, (and
>> I'm not one of them by any means,) but they would want a per diem, all
>> expenses paid and in person access to the machine at X dollars, Dinar,
>> Sheckles, whatever the local monetary unit is called, per hour while
>> they are doing this work if as you claim you aren't able to do it.
>>
>> Thats rather harshly stated. But its as often as not, how free (GPL)
>> software works.
>>
>> Too often I have observed that there are folks with plenty of smarts, but
>> because the code "forest" is not familiar, cannot look and see what its
>> doing, and without that, haven't the comprehension to look at the
>> existing code and follow what its doing. And reaching that understanding
>> will get you to easily seeing a variable that needs changed to get it
>> closer to scratching "your" itch.
>>
>> Often referred to as the TANSTAAFL principle. :)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers, Gene Heskett
>> --
>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>>  soap, ballot, jur

Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.

[a k]

how they did that ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8BLyMryzQ8&t=175s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOarxQRKW9o

small cube is my.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 7:42 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 11 March 2018 15:57:59 Chris Albertson wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:28 PM, a k  wrote:
> > > I already talk about why I can not use slicing program .
> >
> > I missed.  Maybe you can re-post.
> >
> > > If one can do change to existing slicing software then I am
> > > interesting to talk.
> >
> > Of course software can be changed.   It is just a text file you can
> > edit.   The key is having EXACT testable requirements.  Software
> > projects typically fail when the goal can't be clearly stated.
> >
> >
> > One way to state the problem and a proposed solution is to make a most
> > simple part possible.If the machine is a 3D printer this simplest
> > part might be to draw one line of plastic one nozzle width wide and 1
> > mm long directly on the base place.  It would be a tiny part 1mm long
> > by 0.4mm wide and 0.2mm tall.  The code file would have about 3 or 4
> > lines after a standard "boiler plate".
> >
> > Don't do exactly that, but if you do start with a very trivial example
> > the entire g-code fits in a short email.
> >
> > The other problem is a procedural.   Each email lacks the context of
> > there discussion few people will remember details for days able if
> > they read 100 emails a day.  For example I'm reading/wrinting about
> > design of a human-like hand and the cost of linear actuators, about
> > ball bearing design and a software project.  and a few other things.
> > I suspect everyone has multiple projects that move slow.
> >
> > Maybe the best thing you can do is explain the machine you have and
> > the problem to be solved and a method for determining of a proposed
> > solution solves the problem.Perhaps place this on a web page so
> > you don't have to re-write this 100 times.
>
> Along about now also seems to be a good place to explain how free
> software works.
>
> Suppose programer A has an itch, so he writes a piece of code that
> scratches his itch, and is currently makeing 4000 of this itch scratcher
> a day.  His itch has been scratched, but your itch isn't in the same
> place, so while his solution is similar, he'll have to modify that code
> in order to scratch your itch. But he is a working man, and to rewrite
> his code to scratch your itch, he'll have to stop whatever he is doing,
> which is buying his groceries and making the house payments. Generally
> he is going to expect that this missed income will be replaced by
> charging you for the time it takes to do this modification. You are not
> paying for the code, but the coders time. This makes all the difference
> in the GPL world. This modified code is also subject to the GPL in that
> if you pass it on to your brother-in-law, the complete src file kit must
> be made available to anyone who has a copy of the executable that came
> from you.
>
> There are probably 20+ people on this list who could handle this, (and
> I'm not one of them by any means,) but they would want a per diem, all
> expenses paid and in person access to the machine at X dollars, Dinar,
> Sheckles, whatever the local monetary unit is called, per hour while
> they are doing this work if as you claim you aren't able to do it.
>
> Thats rather harshly stated. But its as often as not, how free (GPL)
> software works.
>
> Too often I have observed that there are folks with plenty of smarts, but
> because the code "forest" is not familiar, cannot look and see what its
> doing, and without that, haven't the comprehension to look at the
> existing code and follow what its doing. And reaching that understanding
> will get you to easily seeing a variable that needs changed to get it
> closer to scratching "your" itch.
>
> Often referred to as the TANSTAAFL principle. :)
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.

[a k]

I already talk about why I can not use slicing program .
If one can do change to existing slicing software then I am interesting to
talk.

All new thing can be multidisciplinary.
That is why I only taking very specific nerrow subject.




On Mar 11, 2018 12:17 PM, "Chris Albertson" 
wrote:

> It sounds like you are considering reversing the tool path of an
> additive machine.   That can't work.  The tool end would have to pass
> through solid material.
>
> If the goal is to have your additive machine create different surface
> properties for material near the edges then this is typically done in
> the slicer software.   All slicers to this.  They lay down the
> material that can be seen and touched differently from the material
> inside the part. The simplest example is "infill".  All slicers
> can creat low density infill.  Another example is what they call
> "ironing" where they move the hot extruder over the exterior surface
> while not extruding any more plastic.  The hot metal flattens out any
> bumps.   It should be possible to add other surface treatments to the
> slicer software.
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 5:36 AM, Gene Heskett 
> wrote:
> > On Sunday 11 March 2018 05:54:08 Andy Pugh wrote:
> >
> >> > On 11 Mar 2018, at 06:03, a k  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > i want reverse tool path.
> >>
> >> No, you don’t.
> >>
> >> A reversed tool path will still put the tool outside the part
> >> material.
> >>
> >> Just use a 3D printer slicer and configure your machine with a dummy
> >> extruder axis that does nothing.
> >
> > That to me, still doesn't quite get the job done. He needs to hook up the
> > extruders wire feed to the plastic feed, and some way to turn off the
> > fire when jumping across an opening in the pattern, and restarting the
> > fire when its moved across the empty opening. The fact that the machine
> > can lay down a much thicker line of metal in one pass than the 3d
> > printer can should just be a matter of programming the slicer for a
> > thicker slice. In fact it may be worthwhile in reduced "finishing" work
> > to design a new smaller "extruder like" mechanism to handle say .015"
> > diameter wire, as that would reduce the final pass to size to a single
> > pass, possibly with EDM if its a thin walled and easily distorted item..
> >
> > It might even be helpfull to replace the drive motor on the "extruder"
> > with a reverseable motor so that the wire can be withdrawn far enough to
> > extinguish the arc. The rest of this I see as a hal file composition
> > exercise, hooking up SSR's to control the arc, and some sort of a THC
> > like arc starter. In fact, let the THC output control the x/y feed speed
> > as a way of laying down a consistent thickness of metal.
> >
> > It would also be a good idea to have the workspace flooded with the near
> > inert CO2/Argon atmosphere. The CO2 adds carbon to the puddle, making
> > the resultant metal layer much harder than straight argon by itself
> > would. It wouldn't matter if it leaked, as long as the working envelope
> > was flooded to keep slag at bay because that would make the arc restart
> > simply a matter of fireing the SSR and extending the wire until contact
> > was made again, letting a feedhold hold the starting position until the
> > arc was started, long enough to make sure the metal was being
> > transferred. The flooding gas would ensure a clean, oxide free
> > interface, making the arc so much easier to restart you'd wonder why you
> > ever bothered trying w/o it. The initial startup might need a delay
> > after gas turnon to assure its well flooded else the weld would slag
> > over once the head had moved on, at least long enough for the weld to
> > cool.
> >
> > Or perhaps I don't fully understand the problem.  Its certainly something
> > LinuxCNC can do once the slicer has created the laydown paths from the
> > 3d model.
> >
> > Aram hasn't given us any hint at how big the working envelope of the 3d
> > metal printer might have to be as that will determine the gas economics.
> > In the size bottles I use, a big box can get expen$ive to flood.
> >
> > --
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> > --
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> >  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> > -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
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Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.

[a k]

i be honest, i am not smart enough to go into CURA - opensource software to
increase step up in Z direction up to .5" and turn extruder feed off or set
extruder feed to constant.

not sure how many people can do that --slicing step is variable with a
maximum of 0.05 surely that is a constant in
the code. Just change it!
go into open GL - software engine etc. is not my level task. i fish to find
some one that can do that.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 1:20 PM, Ken Strauss  wrote:

> Could you not get constant extruder feed by simply ignoring what the
> software
> generates or by using the feed rate to generate a feed/nofeed signal? If
> the
> slicing step is variable with a maximum of 0.05 surely that is a constant
> in
> the code. Just change it! The reason for open source is that you can modify
> such restrictions to suit your needs.
>
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: a k [mailto:pccncmach...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:29 PM
> > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.
> >
> > hi
> > i did search on google for slicing software. i try to contact open source
> > slicing
> > program Cura.
> > i could not get hold of software designer, only sale and maybe tech
> support.
> >
> > i could not find slicing software where head feed -extruder feed can be
> set
> > CONSTANT.
> > second , in all slicing software that i see the max step up (z direction)
> > distance
> > 0.05 of inch.
> > that is rigid.
> > 0.05" is good for plastic but not for mig welder that i use.
> >
> > Yes, slicing software will be good to use , it is very close , but as
> they
> > right now
> > i can not use them.
> > if some one know slicing software where max step up in z direction can be
> > set
> > up to 0.4 " and i can set extruder feed constant, let me know
> >
> > thank you
> > aram
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Gene Heskett 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday 11 March 2018 05:54:08 Andy Pugh wrote:
> > >
> > > > > On 11 Mar 2018, at 06:03, a k  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > i want reverse tool path.
> > > >
> > > > No, you don't.
> > > >
> > > > A reversed tool path will still put the tool outside the part
> > > > material.
> > > >
> > > > Just use a 3D printer slicer and configure your machine with a dummy
> > > > extruder axis that does nothing.
> > >
> > > That to me, still doesn't quite get the job done. He needs to hook up
> > > the extruders wire feed to the plastic feed, and some way to turn off
> > > the fire when jumping across an opening in the pattern, and restarting
> > > the fire when its moved across the empty opening. The fact that the
> > > machine can lay down a much thicker line of metal in one pass than the
> > > 3d printer can should just be a matter of programming the slicer for a
> > > thicker slice. In fact it may be worthwhile in reduced "finishing"
> > > work to design a new smaller "extruder like" mechanism to handle say
> .015"
> > > diameter wire, as that would reduce the final pass to size to a single
> > > pass, possibly with EDM if its a thin walled and easily distorted
> item..
> > >
> > > It might even be helpfull to replace the drive motor on the "extruder"
> > > with a reverseable motor so that the wire can be withdrawn far enough
> > > to extinguish the arc. The rest of this I see as a hal file
> > > composition exercise, hooking up SSR's to control the arc, and some
> > > sort of a THC like arc starter. In fact, let the THC output control
> > > the x/y feed speed as a way of laying down a consistent thickness of
> > > metal.
> > >
> > > It would also be a good idea to have the workspace flooded with the
> > > near inert CO2/Argon atmosphere. The CO2 adds carbon to the puddle,
> > > making the resultant metal layer much harder than straight argon by
> > > itself would. It wouldn't matter if it leaked, as long as the working
> > > envelope was flooded to keep slag at bay because that would make the
> > > arc restart simply a matter of fireing the SSR and extending the wire
> > > until contact was made again, letting a feedhold hold the starting
> > > position until the arc was started, long enough to make sure the metal
> > > was being transferred

Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.

[a k]

hi
i did search on google for slicing software. i try to contact open source
slicing program Cura.
i could not get hold of software designer, only sale and maybe tech
support.

i could not find slicing software where head feed -extruder feed can be set
CONSTANT.
second , in all slicing software that i see the max step up (z direction)
distance 0.05 of inch.
that is rigid.
0.05" is good for plastic but not for mig welder that i use.

Yes, slicing software will be good to use , it is very close , but as they
right now i can not use them.
if some one know slicing software where max step up in z direction can be
set up to 0.4 " and i can set extruder feed constant,
let me know

thank you
aram








On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Sunday 11 March 2018 05:54:08 Andy Pugh wrote:
>
> > > On 11 Mar 2018, at 06:03, a k  wrote:
> > >
> > > i want reverse tool path.
> >
> > No, you don’t.
> >
> > A reversed tool path will still put the tool outside the part
> > material.
> >
> > Just use a 3D printer slicer and configure your machine with a dummy
> > extruder axis that does nothing.
>
> That to me, still doesn't quite get the job done. He needs to hook up the
> extruders wire feed to the plastic feed, and some way to turn off the
> fire when jumping across an opening in the pattern, and restarting the
> fire when its moved across the empty opening. The fact that the machine
> can lay down a much thicker line of metal in one pass than the 3d
> printer can should just be a matter of programming the slicer for a
> thicker slice. In fact it may be worthwhile in reduced "finishing" work
> to design a new smaller "extruder like" mechanism to handle say .015"
> diameter wire, as that would reduce the final pass to size to a single
> pass, possibly with EDM if its a thin walled and easily distorted item..
>
> It might even be helpfull to replace the drive motor on the "extruder"
> with a reverseable motor so that the wire can be withdrawn far enough to
> extinguish the arc. The rest of this I see as a hal file composition
> exercise, hooking up SSR's to control the arc, and some sort of a THC
> like arc starter. In fact, let the THC output control the x/y feed speed
> as a way of laying down a consistent thickness of metal.
>
> It would also be a good idea to have the workspace flooded with the near
> inert CO2/Argon atmosphere. The CO2 adds carbon to the puddle, making
> the resultant metal layer much harder than straight argon by itself
> would. It wouldn't matter if it leaked, as long as the working envelope
> was flooded to keep slag at bay because that would make the arc restart
> simply a matter of fireing the SSR and extending the wire until contact
> was made again, letting a feedhold hold the starting position until the
> arc was started, long enough to make sure the metal was being
> transferred. The flooding gas would ensure a clean, oxide free
> interface, making the arc so much easier to restart you'd wonder why you
> ever bothered trying w/o it. The initial startup might need a delay
> after gas turnon to assure its well flooded else the weld would slag
> over once the head had moved on, at least long enough for the weld to
> cool.
>
> Or perhaps I don't fully understand the problem.  Its certainly something
> LinuxCNC can do once the slicer has created the laydown paths from the
> 3d model.
>
> Aram hasn't given us any hint at how big the working envelope of the 3d
> metal printer might have to be as that will determine the gas economics.
> In the size bottles I use, a big box can get expen$ive to flood.
>
> --
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> --
> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.

[a k]

hi
i want reverse tool path.
it is 2.5 axis motion
i did not say --mirror etc
motion need to start from bottom point of part and end on the top of part .

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Chris Albertson  wrote:

> You want to mirror the g-code file.   I'm wondering why.  If you have
> g-code you likely also have the CAD model and can just flip the part
> over and create another g-code file.
>
> But let's say you only have the g-code file.  All you need to do to
> make a mirror image (reflected on the X axis) is to treat every (X,Y)
> point as a vector and multiply each by a matrix that looks like the
> one below
>
> 1,  0
> 0, -1
>
> That's it.   This is actually a round about way to say "flip the sign
> of every Y value in your file
>
> It the line of symmetry looks different, perhaps it is a 30 degree
> angle then the above four number change.
>
> If you forgot Linear Algebra or never took the class Khan Academy has
> a very good intro level course free on-line.   He assumes yu know only
> 8th grade algabra and if yo've forgotten that he covers it also in
> another free online class.
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
>  wrote:
> > I've been trying to find a program or online converter that can take a
> non-symmetric G-Code and mirror image it to cut the opposite shape while
> still running around it clockwise. There is one for Windows that can split
> code in half and rotate it so that with proper fixturing a mill can be used
> to work on stuff larger than its X and/or Y axes, but it does not mirror.
> It also can do 3D probing and map G-Code to non-planar surfaces. You'd
> think mirroring would be an obvious feature to add to such a program but
> the author is for some reason not interested.
> >
> > On Saturday, March 10, 2018, 3:27:12 PM MST, Chris Albertson <
> albertson.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  In general it might not make sense to run the toll path backwards.
> > Foe example what if there was a tool change?  Or in the case of a 3D
> > printer there would be plastic in the path and the extruder would
> > crash.  Ans does reverse means the spindle goes backwards too.I'm
> > still thinking about what might happen if there are more than there
> > axis involved.
> >
> > But irregardless if it would make sense, it would not be hard to write
> > software that would "flip" a g-code file around so it runs bottom to
> > top.
> >
> > Some code just don't make sense to run in reverse order.  For example
> > in the normal case you might start the spindle spinning then do some
> > work then turn it off.  Doing this in reverse order is nonsensical:
> > Turn the spindle off do some stuff then turn it on.  That does not
> > seem useful.
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Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.

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Before i did look at work Michigan Technological university. i think that
your link is relate to the work that done there.
There was a PHD student that try to work on 3D metal printer.
he did finish PHD dissertation but i could not see any part that he build
with use his dissertation.
i think he was from Thailand and he left the country.

On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:25 PM, Kurt Jacobson 
wrote:

> I have not looked at it closely, but here is a plugin for the Cura slicer
> that sounds like it might be exactly what you need:
> https://github.com/mtu-most/MOST-delta-stage/blob/master/Welder.py
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:16 PM, a k  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Kurt
> > i did try to use slicing software like kissliser etc.
> > Problems with doing that:
> > 1- Slicing software output in addition parameter A or E that control
> > plastic filament . You can control thickness of deposition with CNC feed
> > and also with head feed (parameter A or E in some slicing software head
> > feed parameter A in other E)
> > How i can take that parameter out of Linuxcnc?  a lot of problem/work
> etc.
> > 2- Slicing software -- all that look - have max step up in Z direction up
> > to 0.05 "
> > for plastic printing it is ok but if one use MIG welder step up can be
> > between 0.15" and 0.25"
> >
> > i try to get hold of people that creating software , but only manage to
> > talk to sale or technical support people.
> > aram
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Kurt Jacobson  >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Aram, it sounds like you are trying to do some additive
> manufacturering,
> > so
> > > maybe you could use a slicer intended for 3d printing to create the
> > > program. Slic3r might be configurable enough for what you are trying to
> > do.
> > >
> > > Kurt Jacobson
> > > 505-303-1933
> > > Sent from Mobile
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018, 10:57 PM a k  wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > > Stuart
> > > > what is --Are you wanting to reverse the tool path of a .ngc--
> > > > .ngc  ?
> > > > what i want?
> > > > i have  a 3d solid model
> > > > i can generate G&M code to machine it.
> > > > no tool change will be used.
> > > > just simple machining 3d solid model.
> > > > Program will start from top and end on the bottom of the part.
> > > >
> > > > Now, i want to convert this/generated G&M code in to G&M code that
> will
> > > > start motion from the bottom of the part and end on the top of the
> > part.
> > > > it be very good if i also can move tool path inside of the part, and
> > also
> > > > to i can generate 2 tool path.
> > > >
> > > > why do i need that?
> > > > i did install mig welder gun on my linuccnc machine. i did program 2
> > inch
> > > > by 2 inch cubic model, and it is ok for what i need.
> > > >
> > > > thank you
> > > > aram
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Stuart Stevenson  >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Aram,
> > > > >
> > > > > What are you wanting exactly? Can you describe just what you want
> to
> > > see?
> > > > > Most any CAM packages can generate code in whatever direction you
> > want.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you wanting to reverse the tool path of a .ngc file you didn't
> > > > generate
> > > > > with a CAM package?
> > > > >
> > > > > thanks
> > > > > Stuart
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 1:20 PM, a k 
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > hi
> > > > > > in there world of CAD CAM software, is there a software that can
> > > > > generate G
> > > > > > code path in reverse motion?
> > > > > > Or is there small CAD CAM company that can add such capability?
> > > > > > this is intricate capability for specialty use.
> > > > > > in the big company one will be able to talk to sale or tech
> > support.
> > > > > > impossible to talk to software creating person /personal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thank you
> > > > > &

Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.

[a k]

Hi
Kurt
i did try to use slicing software like kissliser etc.
Problems with doing that:
1- Slicing software output in addition parameter A or E that control
plastic filament . You can control thickness of deposition with CNC feed
and also with head feed (parameter A or E in some slicing software head
feed parameter A in other E)
How i can take that parameter out of Linuxcnc?  a lot of problem/work etc.
2- Slicing software -- all that look - have max step up in Z direction up
to 0.05 "
for plastic printing it is ok but if one use MIG welder step up can be
between 0.15" and 0.25"

i try to get hold of people that creating software , but only manage to
talk to sale or technical support people.
aram



On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Kurt Jacobson 
wrote:

> Aram, it sounds like you are trying to do some additive manufacturering, so
> maybe you could use a slicer intended for 3d printing to create the
> program. Slic3r might be configurable enough for what you are trying to do.
>
> Kurt Jacobson
> 505-303-1933
> Sent from Mobile
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018, 10:57 PM a k  wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > Stuart
> > what is --Are you wanting to reverse the tool path of a .ngc--
> > .ngc  ?
> > what i want?
> > i have  a 3d solid model
> > i can generate G&M code to machine it.
> > no tool change will be used.
> > just simple machining 3d solid model.
> > Program will start from top and end on the bottom of the part.
> >
> > Now, i want to convert this/generated G&M code in to G&M code that will
> > start motion from the bottom of the part and end on the top of the part.
> > it be very good if i also can move tool path inside of the part, and also
> > to i can generate 2 tool path.
> >
> > why do i need that?
> > i did install mig welder gun on my linuccnc machine. i did program 2 inch
> > by 2 inch cubic model, and it is ok for what i need.
> >
> > thank you
> > aram
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Stuart Stevenson 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Aram,
> > >
> > > What are you wanting exactly? Can you describe just what you want to
> see?
> > > Most any CAM packages can generate code in whatever direction you want.
> > >
> > > Are you wanting to reverse the tool path of a .ngc file you didn't
> > generate
> > > with a CAM package?
> > >
> > > thanks
> > > Stuart
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 1:20 PM, a k  wrote:
> > >
> > > > hi
> > > > in there world of CAD CAM software, is there a software that can
> > > generate G
> > > > code path in reverse motion?
> > > > Or is there small CAD CAM company that can add such capability?
> > > > this is intricate capability for specialty use.
> > > > in the big company one will be able to talk to sale or tech support.
> > > > impossible to talk to software creating person /personal.
> > > >
> > > > thank you
> > > > aram
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Re: [Emc-users] revers tool path.

[a k]

Hi
Stuart
what is --Are you wanting to reverse the tool path of a .ngc--
.ngc  ?
what i want?
i have  a 3d solid model
i can generate G&M code to machine it.
no tool change will be used.
just simple machining 3d solid model.
Program will start from top and end on the bottom of the part.

Now, i want to convert this/generated G&M code in to G&M code that will
start motion from the bottom of the part and end on the top of the part.
it be very good if i also can move tool path inside of the part, and also
to i can generate 2 tool path.

why do i need that?
i did install mig welder gun on my linuccnc machine. i did program 2 inch
by 2 inch cubic model, and it is ok for what i need.

thank you
aram







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> Aram,
>
> What are you wanting exactly? Can you describe just what you want to see?
> Most any CAM packages can generate code in whatever direction you want.
>
> Are you wanting to reverse the tool path of a .ngc file you didn't generate
> with a CAM package?
>
> thanks
> Stuart
>
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 1:20 PM, a k  wrote:
>
> > hi
> > in there world of CAD CAM software, is there a software that can
> generate G
> > code path in reverse motion?
> > Or is there small CAD CAM company that can add such capability?
> > this is intricate capability for specialty use.
> > in the big company one will be able to talk to sale or tech support.
> > impossible to talk to software creating person /personal.
> >
> > thank you
> > aram
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[Emc-users] revers tool path.

[a k]

hi
in there world of CAD CAM software, is there a software that can generate G
code path in reverse motion?
Or is there small CAD CAM company that can add such capability?
this is intricate capability for specialty use.
in the big company one will be able to talk to sale or tech support.
impossible to talk to software creating person /personal.

thank you
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[Emc-users] beaglebone black

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i am interesting in beaglebone black board BBB and in book
--beaglebone for dummies--i found there about desktop five axis cnc mill
this book also available for free in PDF format for download.
about www.pocketnc.com
and
http://beagleboard.org/project/pocketnc

can linuxcnc run on BBB board? and be so compact?

and second question--i took out from harbor friegt mig welder unit that
push wire out.
it has 24V dc motor.
what motor drive better to use to drive this motor?
i know that it will ask 48 VDC power supply to produce rpm that i need.
i want to drive that motor drive with BBB.  that it use 3.3 V DC on max.

thanks
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Re: [Emc-users] 3 d metal printer

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here is more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LnS1bUXFtA

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 2:41 AM, a k  wrote:

> hi
> i found this
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOarxQRKW9o
> that is exactly that i try to build 4 years ago
>
> programming to create tool/welder path is done by Autodesk
> search on youtube and you will find it
> i may be able to deposit similar part in several weeks time. it is good to
> know that it all doable and linuxcnc can be used for it.
>
> thanks
> aram
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[Emc-users] 3 d metal printer

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hi
i found this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOarxQRKW9o
that is exactly that i try to build 4 years ago

programming to create tool/welder path is done by Autodesk
search on youtube and you will find it
i may be able to deposit similar part in several weeks time. it is good to
know that it all doable and linuxcnc can be used for it.

thanks
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[Emc-users] wifi adapter for Debian 2.7

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hello
i have a question about Debian 2.7 most resent release
i want to use wifi adapter and question will it work with
linuxcnc +debian 2.7
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Coredy-AC600-Nano-Dual-Band-USB-WiFi-Adapter-WA-AC610/138989525#about-item

or this one
https://www.walmart.com/ip/300Mbps-Mini-Wireless-USB-Wifi-Adapter-LAN-Internet-Network-Adapter-802.11n-g-b/40809384#about-item

first mention Linux UBUNTU and second one only Linux 2.4

which one will be better?

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[Emc-users] LCNC and 3d Printer

[a k]

Hello

i just run kissliser http://www.kisslicer.com/
and many people use it because it free (some realize free )

here is how main code looks like

G1 X-2.89 Y29.74 E2.48
G1 X0.49 Y29.72 E2.1506
G1 X4.23 Y29.5 E2.3874
G1 X7.73 Y29.13 E2.2395
G1 X11.56 Y28.58 E2.4618
G1 X14.92 Y28 E2.1725
G1 X18.51 Y27.24 E2.3375
G1 X22.09 Y26.24 E2.3664

///

regular X and Y and after layer complete Z move incrementally

up.

And here is also E parameter that increase or decrease

speed of wire/ filament..

Can LCNC  make LCNC 3d printer ready and make output for E

parameter ?

like rated from 0 V DC to 5 V DC. that will proportionally

 indicates speed of plastic filament /wire .

Looks similar how i stop LCNC with 0-5 V DC but in this

case LCNC will sent frequency out that will

converted into 0 - 5 v DC or use just PWM for control

 filament or wire etc.

LCNC can use 2 boards  5I20 , there are 4 more

encoder channels that can be used for this purpose.

Thak you

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Re: [Emc-users] linux 2.6.4 switch from inch to mm problem

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it works.
thank you
aram

On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Andrew  wrote:

> 2016-05-29 23:49 GMT+03:00 a k :
>
> > Hi
> > the problem in setting G56 for example
> >
> > to set G56  in mm  i input in MDI
> > G10 L2 P3 X-20. Y-10. Z -5.
> > this dimensions in mm.
> > when set G56 and input line above, how LCNC knows that i in mm. or in
> inch
> >  ?
> >
> > maybe when one want to use mm. and set G56  need to be change INI all
> > into mm?
> >
>
> What if you send G21 in MDI before all that?
>
> Also you can use RS274NGC_STARTUP_CODE = G21 in INI file.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] linux 2.6.4 switch from inch to mm problem

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Hi
the problem in setting G56 for example

to set G56  in mm  i input in MDI
G10 L2 P3 X-20. Y-10. Z -5.
this dimensions in mm.
when set G56 and input line above, how LCNC knows that i in mm. or in inch
 ?

maybe when one want to use mm. and set G56  need to be change INI all
into mm?

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> Hi,
>
> You just need to use G21 in Gcode, that's all!
>
> If you switch to mm in INI file, you'll have to convert machine limits and
> velocities to mm.
>
> 2016-05-29 23:05 GMT+03:00 a k :
>
> > Hello
> > i am using linux cnc 2. 6. 4
> > and i have problem with switching to machine to read program G code in
> mm.
> > i did went into INI and change inch to mm
> > i did restart - re-home CNC machine
> > in the program i did replace G20 to G21.
> > And i can not load mm g code-- it say travel out of range.
> >
> > //
> > i found that if in INI file i leave INCH, and re start LCNC and in one
> line
> > with MDI command input
> > G91 G21 G1 x-5.  F20.
> > machine moves 5. mm,
> > but when i try to set G55 ...in mm machine does not moves
> >
> > Is it known problem ?
> > How to fix it?
> >
> >
> > thank you
> > aram
> >
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[Emc-users] linux 2.6.4 switch from inch to mm problem

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Hello
i am using linux cnc 2. 6. 4
and i have problem with switching to machine to read program G code in mm.
i did went into INI and change inch to mm
i did restart - re-home CNC machine
in the program i did replace G20 to G21.
And i can not load mm g code-- it say travel out of range.

//
i found that if in INI file i leave INCH, and re start LCNC and in one line
with MDI command input
G91 G21 G1 x-5.  F20.
machine moves 5. mm,
but when i try to set G55 ...in mm machine does not moves

Is it known problem ?
How to fix it?


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Re: [Emc-users] Another servo question

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http://www.anaheimautomation.com/

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> support.elmark.com.pl/rockwell/Literatura/1326a-2_9.pdf for a data sheet).
> Are there any affordable drivers available for these motors?
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Re: [Emc-users] look ahead---?

[a k]

Hi
i think that instead of look ahead for G0 it will be better to have/create
new M code (M100 or M(n))  that will:
after running on G1 mode and after reading code G0 will move Z up 1" (or
some parameter a=..., then move back on the same last trajectory about 0.5"
-0.75" or some parameter b=.., then down to initial Z or parameter C=...,
and reread last 0.5" =0.75" trajectory motion.
this new M code will open new and necessary capability of linux cnc -- for
use with welding application.
How difficult it will be to create such M code?
Any idea direction how to do that?

thank you
aram



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> hi
> i am interesting if it will be possible to Linux cnc look ahead 4-5 lines
> before G0 and then send some signal out?
> right now i have a working system where when system reads G0 signal going
> out.
> now i want to this signal went out like 0.5" - 0.75" of travel before
> actually system reads G0
> when i said 0.5" - 0.75"---before G0 machine moves on G1 and when
> this travel will be around 0.5" - 0.75" before the end of travel i want to
> signal that indicates G0 go out.
>
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[Emc-users] look ahead---?

[a k]

hi
i am interesting if it will be possible to Linux cnc look ahead 4-5 lines
before G0 and then send some signal out?
right now i have a working system where when system reads G0 signal going
out.
now i want to this signal went out like 0.5" - 0.75" of travel before
actually system reads G0
when i said 0.5" - 0.75"---before G0 machine moves on G1 and when
this travel will be around 0.5" - 0.75" before the end of travel i want to
signal that indicates G0 go out.

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Re: [Emc-users] value of feed F out

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hi
i use this board http://www.sensoray.com/PCI_Express_Digital_Output_826.htm

digital signal need to be such to sensoray board can recognize it.

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> 2015-05-10 19:04 GMT+03:00 a k :
>
> > Hi
> > programmed value of feed F() is ok.
> > i am using Mesa board 5i20-7i33-7I37
> > Is it possible to send digital signal of feed value thru 7i37  ?
> > or what option do i have to wire digital signal of feed value out?
> >
> > What do you mean by digital signal? Any serial protocol? What is your
> signal receiver?
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Re: [Emc-users] value of feed F out

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Hi
programmed value of feed F() is ok.
i am using Mesa board 5i20-7i33-7I37
Is it possible to send digital signal of feed value thru 7i37  ?
or what option do i have to wire digital signal of feed value out?

thank you
aram

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> On 10 May 2015 at 05:49, a k  wrote:
>
> > i am interesting if linux cnc capable to send out value of current feed
> on
> > which machine moves.
>
> Do you want the feed rate or the actual machine speed?
> I can't see any situation where the former would be of more interest
> than the latter, and the latter it motion.current-vel
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[Emc-users] value of feed F out

[a k]

Hello
i am interesting if linux cnc capable to send out value of current feed on
which machine moves.
for example if --F 5.7--- to linux cnc some how send digital signal of any
type out, that identify that present feed in fact is 5.7.

Just want to say that linux cnc capability to identify G0 from G1 working
very good!
and now it is interesting if linux cnc can not only identify G0 from G1 but
also send value of feed F out as well.

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Re: [Emc-users] mux_generic

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Hi
i did find a problem --- add -bit--
net mode-out mux-gen.00.out-bit => hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out
pin need to show -bit.
what happen next--- no more error massage -- and instead open linuxcnc
control --all screen become black and a lot of code -- looks like old dos
-or like in terminals --.
--one massage say --confuse kornel-- something like that.
what it can be? .
i think that ram maybe not big enough.
computer open ok, i can go to the linuxcnc file - open hal file but when i
try to start linuxcnc all screen become black background and a lot of code.

can it be that mux generic requires bigger ram ?

thanks
aram

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> On 6 January 2015 at 04:08, a k  wrote:
> > maybe mux-gen.00.sel-int--should be -- mux-gen.00.sel-in1
>
> No. The manpage is quite clear about the pin namings if nothing else.
>
> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/mux_generic.9.html
>
> If you only have 2 values and the selector type is a bit then by all
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[Emc-users] mux_generic

[a k]

Hi
question about mux_generic
one line of code


#net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.0.out => mux-gen.00.sel-int

maybe mux-gen.00.sel-int--should be -- mux-gen.00.sel-in1

???

/

also i could not find any sample that did apply mux_generic to linuxcnc

search in google and wiki

found some sample with mux4, and more sample lut5.

because mux_generic unknown --not much example of use of it with in
linuxcnc -- maybe it is better to replace it with mux2, mux4 or lut5?

Basically  ---2 signals in (G0/rapid or G1/feed) and one signal out


thanks

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Re: [Emc-users] Mux_generic

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Hi
i am interesting if you make mux_generic work
in reality this software 2.6.4 only 4 month old and maybe has problems in
it.

i also trying to use mux_generic and problem mux-gen.00.out  -no such pin

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> Is mux_generic in the current binaries? I am getting "can't find module".
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[Emc-users] man hostmot2 ---in a terminal window

[a k]

Hi

this is about code to identify if machine move on G1 and G0.

I check in terminal—and found:



So, for  example,  the  HAL  pin  that  has  the  current

   inverted  input  value  read  from GPIO 012 of the second

   7i43 board is: hm2_7i43.1.gpio.012.in-not  (this  assumes

   that  the  firmware  in  that board is configured so that

   this HAL object is available)

/

do I need to add?



hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out-not



//



The HAL parameter that controls whether the last GPIO  of

   the   first   5i22   is   an   input  or  an  output  is:

   hm2_5i22.0.gpio.095.is_output



/

do I need to add?---



hm2_5i20.gpio.040.is_output



/

That what I have now---

#loadrt mux_generic config=bb7

#loadrt conv_s32_u32

#addf conv-s32-u32.0 servo-thread

#addf mux-gen.00 servo-thread



#setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is_output true

#setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.invert_output true



#net mode-signed motion.motion-type => conv-s32-u32.0.in

#net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.0.out => mux-gen.00.sel-int



#net mode-out mux-gen.00.out => hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out



#setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-01 0   ## rapid feed

#setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-02 1   ## straight feed

#setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-03 1   ## arc feed

#setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-04 0   ## toolchange

#setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-05 0   ## probing

#setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-06 0   ## index rotary




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[Emc-users] hiwin

[a k]

hi
hiwin always was leader of low cost ball screw slides
what about HIWIN as servo drive and servo motor
 emc-users
http://hiwin.com/pdf/servoMotors/AC_Servo_Motor_Drive_e%20copy1210.pdf

did any one try them - any evaluation ?

also
did anyone try OMRon?


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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe/turning CAM solutions

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hi
i think that Fusion 360will be bad news for small cad/cam companies.
structure where need to pay only every month is much better than buy
something that you may not need it few month etc

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> > On Dec 13, 2014, at 7:39 PM, a k  wrote:
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> > hi
> > this is new and only 25$ per moth
> >
> http://fusion360.autodesk.com/about?ts_c=search&ts_s=Search&ts_d=NA&mktvar002=Fusion360Search
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> CAM that it does contain.  They hope to have it sometime next year or 2016.
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Re: [Emc-users] mesa board --7i33

[a k]

Hi
i use 5i20+ 7i33
i am interesting if i can use this ac motor drive
http://www.anaheimautomation.com/products/ac/ac-drivers-controllers.php?tID=1176&pt=t&cID=385

and i will use PIN--ENAO -- to drive -motor drive (+/- 5 V DC)

and signals from ac servo motor encoder directly connect to 7i33 board
a, a-, b, b-
?
thank you
aram


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> On 2014-12-14 07:12, a k wrote:
> > hi
> > board 7i33 has 50 pin connector - that controls 4 servomotor.
> > each set of 12 pins -wires control control one servo drive/servomotor.
> > here are the pins
> > ENCA0-encoder A
> > /ENCA0---encoder A-
> > ENCB0encoder B
> > /ENCB0encoder B-
> >
> > IDX0---what type of signal is it--how it used ?
> > /IDXO--what type of signal is it--how it used?
> Aram, these are the differential inputs for the INDEX signal from the
> quadrature encoder. You can use that in several ways but mostly it is
> used when doing threading. There are other uses as well as I said.
>
> > //
> > reason--from servo motor encoder output signals -A,A-,B,B- ---and i can
> see
> > corresponding pins on 7i33 board.
> > what is the relation between --IDX0, -IDXO with U,U-,V,V-,W,W-?
> > 
> > 7I33 board has pin VCC-- is this out put +/-5 V DC that drives  motor
> drive?
> > /
> > PIN --ENA0 -from 7i33 --- what is function of this pin?
> This is usually the servo drive enable signal. It could be wired in HAL
> to machine-is-on or any other function that you choose.
> > thank you
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[Emc-users] mesa board --7i33

[a k]

hi
board 7i33 has 50 pin connector - that controls 4 servomotor.
each set of 12 pins -wires control control one servo drive/servomotor.
here are the pins
ENCA0-encoder A
/ENCA0---encoder A-
ENCB0encoder B
/ENCB0encoder B-

IDX0---what type of signal is it--how it used ?
/IDXO--what type of signal is it--how it used?

//
reason--from servo motor encoder output signals -A,A-,B,B- ---and i can see
corresponding pins on 7i33 board.
what is the relation between --IDX0, -IDXO with U,U-,V,V-,W,W-?

7I33 board has pin VCC-- is this out put +/-5 V DC that drives  motor drive?
/
PIN --ENA0 -from 7i33 --- what is function of this pin?

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Re: [Emc-users] sevomotor -encoder

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Hi
talk many times to servodynamics tech support and they said that
servodynamics makes ac servomotor and motor drive they buy from lenze.
i have 3 identical drive that i bought from servodinamics and 2 of them
have paper stiker - say - lenze and one mark -servodynamic.


 interesting question

servomotor that i have lenze/servodinamics- can close they loop by them
self.
for that reason that drive ask for these signals -from encoder
a
a-
b
b-
u
u-
v
v-
w
w-
5vdc
gnd
/
but i do not need to drive close the loop!!!
because linuxcnc will close the loop.

/
if this right then can i use
http://www.anaheimautomation.com/products/ac/ac-drivers-controllers.php?tID=1176&pt=t&cID=385

for the motor drive and send these signals
a
a-
b
b-
u
u-
v
v-
w
w-
5vdc
gnd
directly to emc2-linuxcnc ?

the reason is that this drives cost 3 times less then drives that capable
close the look -- function that i do not need.







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> Hi.
> You said :
>
> > this encoder signals go into lenze motor drive sd 94
>
>
> but , as I told you , SD94 is not Lenze (is Servo Dinamics) .
> So If you have a Lenze can you detail the model/product code so people that
> want to help can search for information to support you.
>
> Alex
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 2:07 PM, a k  wrote:
> >
> > hi
> > i have lenze drive. i am interesting if teknic servo motor will work with
> > lenze drive that i have.
> > question -is encoder signal from teknic motor will be right one that
> lenze
> > drive need?
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Todd Zuercher 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I have some of their drives and motors on some of our machines at
> > > work.  They seem to work fine.  You'll need windows to run their tuning
> > > software, and you will probably need an o-scope as well, if you don't
> > bring
> > > the encoder feedback into LinuxCNC.
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "a k" 
> > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <
> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:21:53 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] sevomotor -encoder
> > >
> > > link to teknic
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.teknic.com/files/product_info/N34_Industrial_Grade_Motors_v5.0.pdf
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:05 PM, a k  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > hi
> > > > did any one try this ac servomotor
> > > > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/14a36c5f43ed728f?projector=1
> > > >
> > > > i am using servodynamics motor that has encoder output
> > > > a
> > > > a-
> > > > b
> > > > b-
> > > > index
> > > > index-
> > > > u
> > > > u-
> > > > v
> > > > v-
> > > > w
> > > > w-
> > > > +5
> > > > gnd
> > > > shild
> > > >
> > > > this encoder signals go into lenze motor drive sd 94
> > > > i am interesting if technics servomotor will work with lenze drive?
> > > > abbreviation for encoder  pin are very different  -
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > aram
> > > >
> > >
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[Emc-users] USB Oscilloscope

[a k]

hi
did any use  USB Oscilloscope?


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Re: [Emc-users] Lathe/turning CAM solutions

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hi
this is new and only 25$ per moth
http://fusion360.autodesk.com/about?ts_c=search&ts_s=Search&ts_d=NA&mktvar002=Fusion360Search

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Kirk Wallace 
wrote:
>
> On 12/13/2014 08:25 AM, Marius Liebenberg wrote:
> > Tom
> > You only really need a CAM package for parts that are contoured. I.E.
> > not regular OD, Face, Id and such. For the standard stuff I use NGCGUI
> > and LatheMacro. Both of these are found under the example configs.
> >
> > For the contour stuff I use Cambam. The lathe module is not very strong
> > and does not cut ID curves. It does the job for me though. All the other
> > things can be done with the two options I mentioned. I use both of them
> > all the time. The Lathemacro tool from Andy Pugh is very good for
> > cutting tapers and radii.
>
>
> That reminds that QCAD and dxf2gcode can be used to create lathe tool
> paths:
>
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Simple_LinuxCNC_G-Code_Generators#Dxf2gcode_import_a_2D_DXF_file_and_produce_G_code
>
> As well as Inkscape:
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?InkscapeHowto
>
> http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/index.php/english/forum/31-cad-cam/1650-gcodetools-inkscapes-cam-extension
>
> See links under "Using LinuxCNC":
> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
>
>
> http://hackaday.com/2013/10/12/cnc-software-toolchain-using-only-open-source-software-2/
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Re: [Emc-users] sevomotor -encoder

[a k]

hi
i have lenze drive. i am interesting if teknic servo motor will work with
lenze drive that i have.
question -is encoder signal from teknic motor will be right one that lenze
drive need?

On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 4:09 AM, Todd Zuercher 
wrote:
>
> Yes, I have some of their drives and motors on some of our machines at
> work.  They seem to work fine.  You'll need windows to run their tuning
> software, and you will probably need an o-scope as well, if you don't bring
> the encoder feedback into LinuxCNC.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "a k" 
> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:21:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] sevomotor -encoder
>
> link to teknic
>
> https://www.teknic.com/files/product_info/N34_Industrial_Grade_Motors_v5.0.pdf
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:05 PM, a k  wrote:
> >
> > hi
> > did any one try this ac servomotor
> > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/14a36c5f43ed728f?projector=1
> >
> > i am using servodynamics motor that has encoder output
> > a
> > a-
> > b
> > b-
> > index
> > index-
> > u
> > u-
> > v
> > v-
> > w
> > w-
> > +5
> > gnd
> > shild
> >
> > this encoder signals go into lenze motor drive sd 94
> > i am interesting if technics servomotor will work with lenze drive?
> > abbreviation for encoder  pin are very different  -
> >
> >
> > aram
> >
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Re: [Emc-users] sevomotor -encoder

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link to teknic
https://www.teknic.com/files/product_info/N34_Industrial_Grade_Motors_v5.0.pdf


On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 7:05 PM, a k  wrote:
>
> hi
> did any one try this ac servomotor
> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/14a36c5f43ed728f?projector=1
>
> i am using servodynamics motor that has encoder output
> a
> a-
> b
> b-
> index
> index-
> u
> u-
> v
> v-
> w
> w-
> +5
> gnd
> shild
>
> this encoder signals go into lenze motor drive sd 94
> i am interesting if technics servomotor will work with lenze drive?
> abbreviation for encoder  pin are very different  -
>
>
> aram
>
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[Emc-users] sevomotor -encoder

[a k]

hi
did any one try this ac servomotor
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/14a36c5f43ed728f?projector=1

i am using servodynamics motor that has encoder output
a
a-
b
b-
index
index-
u
u-
v
v-
w
w-
+5
gnd
shild

this encoder signals go into lenze motor drive sd 94
i am interesting if technics servomotor will work with lenze drive?
abbreviation for encoder  pin are very different  -


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Re: [Emc-users] encoder--?

[a k]

hi
i did use data from 2.5.4 for 2.6.4 - it just gives error.
i did tune up servo-dynamics motor servo motors. problem with SEM motor. it
did work ok with 2.5.4 and same PID does not work on 2.6.4
tune up logic works for servo-dynamics motor but not for SEM motor.
i found this interesting -http://www.cnccookbook.com/CCServoTuning.htm

i did increase P to get oscillation-- can not get oscillation
even when P 1000
i did increase amount for all error - deadband by 10 times to make easy for
system to work.
for now with SEM motor i get abrupt motion after which error.
with P10 and D 0.8 i got oscillation but after 30 second it dissipated
with 2.5.4 --P was 17 and D0.01- and it did work
what abrupt motion shows -- need increase D and i did try it -- or reduce P
because system not stable ?

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Wednesday 26 November 2014 20:22:13 a k did opine
> And Gene did reply:
> > No. I did new tune up for 2.6.4.
> > i did not use 2.5.4 config, because when i moved from 2.2.5 to 2.5.4
> > tune up figures (PID) was absolutely different. so for 2.6.4 i did
> > fresh tune up.
>
> >From 2.2.5 to 2.5.4 was one hell of a jump, representing around 4 or 5
> years worth of refinements in how it works, including some changes in the
> hal syntax to something that actually made sense.  But from 2.5.4 to
> 2.6.4, any changes in the .ini or .hal file in the 2.6.4/config directory
> are very very small.
>
> But you have to do it "Your way" instead of at least trying what these
> knowledgeable people are telling you to do.  Its as if anything they ask
> you to do becomes the last thing that will not get done because you've run
> out of patience for the day, and by tomorrow you will have totally
> forgotten it.
>
> Are we/they talking to a fencepost with dead batteries in its hearing
> aids?  The results we are getting from telling you to do something are
> very discouraging WHEN YOU WON'T DO IT!
>
> These kind people really DO know what they are talking about, and if you
> will just do as they say, you will have a working machine many times
> quicker than you will if you just go charging in and change something that
> in several cases here as I've watched this, that you WILL have to go back
> and fix later because you broke it worse.
>
> >
> > But problem that i described - really strange. When machine power up F2
> > ON-- shaft of motor moves but no encoder data change on display (axis)
> > looks like -- encoder disconnected---
> > and after turn power OFF -- click on F2 -- and turn shaft of the motor
> > by hand -- and change position of shaft of the motor reflected by
> > change figures on monitor.
> > that is strange but that what i have .
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Peter C. Wallace 
> wrote:
> > > On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, a k wrote:
> > > > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:16:10 -0800
> > > > From: a k 
> > > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > > >  > > >
> > > > Subject: [Emc-users] encoder--?
> > > >
> > > > hi
> > > > i just found strange thing with motor encoder.
> > > > i am doing tuneup.
> > > > axis x and z has same motor - nema 34 from servo dynamic and y axis
> > > > has
> > >
> > > SEM
> > >
> > > > .motor.
> > > > they all work ok with 2.5.4.
> > > > with 2.6.4 i can see that on axis Y (SEM motor) , when click F1
> > > > (took off e-stop) than F2- power on - SEM motor start slowly
> > > > rotate -- maybe noise
> > >
> > > -
> > >
> > > > maybe not--- interestingly encoder number did not show any changes
> > > > -- rotation of the shaft of the SEM motor.
> > > > maybe encoder problem? No encoder is good!!
> > > > When i click F2 - power OFF -- and start rotate axis by the hand --
> > >
> > > encoder
> > >
> > > > data start change ( on axis display).
> > >
> > > Are you using identical hal and ini files on 2.6.4 and 2.5.4?
> > > if not, you should not really expect anything to work.
> > >
> > > If you have a working hal and ini file set on 2.5.4 you first must
> > > move these
> > > files from the configuration directory on your 2.5.4 system to the
> > > configuration directory on your 2.6.4 system
>
> I wouldn't move them, but I sure would copy them to the new 2.6.4/config
> directory.  And I 

Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

[a k]

I check Machine->Show HAL—1.-components; 2.-pins; 3-parameters; 4.-signals;
5.-functions;
Only in Pins found -- motion.motion-type
Did not see-- mux-gen
Am I looking in right place?
Then
mux-gen.NN.out-[bit/float/s32/u32] variable-type out
Follows the value of one of the inN values according to the selection bits
and/or the selection number.
Is selected bits 7 --?  ( bb7)
is ---inN values --- was in u32.0 .in ?


On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Andrew  wrote:

> 2014-11-29 20:38 GMT+02:00 a k  <
> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?view=cm&fs=1&tf=1&to=pccncmach...@gmail.com
> >
> >:
>
> > problem is in --mux-gen.00.out --  that instead .00.  should be something
> > else
>
>
> I understand that. That's why I'm suggesting: open HAL configuration, find
> mux-gen component and see its pin names.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

[a k]

problem is in --mux-gen.00.out --  that instead .00.  should be something
else

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Andrew  wrote:

> 2014-11-29 19:56 GMT+02:00 a k :
>
> > There was 2 last lines of code. i found problem in one
> > net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.out => mux-gen.00.sel-int
> > should be
> > net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.0.out => mux-gen.00.sel-int
> > and the last line
> > net mode-out mux-gen.00.out => hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out
> > brings error
> >
> > pin mux-gen.00.out does not exist
>
>
> Aram,
>
> Comment out those strings and start the machine. Go to Machine->Show HAL
> configuration and find the correct pin names for your components. That's
> what I usually do.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

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There was 2 last lines of code. i found problem in one
net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.out => mux-gen.00.sel-int
should be
net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.0.out => mux-gen.00.sel-int
and the last line
net mode-out mux-gen.00.out => hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out
brings error

pin mux-gen.00.out does not exist



On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Gene Heskett  wrote:

> On Friday 28 November 2014 19:42:34 a k did opine
> And Gene did reply:
> > hi
> > i did fix most of problem but one new how up
> > here is my code
> > #
> >
> > #
> >
> > 
> >
> > loadrt mux_generic config=bb7
> >
> > loadrt conv_s32_u32
> >
> >
> >
> > addf conv-s32-u32.0 servo-thread
> >
> > addf mux-gen.00 servo-thread
> >
> >
> >
> > setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output true
> >
> > setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.invert_output true
> >
> >
> >
> > net mode-signed motion.motion-type => conv-s32-u32.0.in
> >
> > net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.out => mux-gen.00.sel-int
> >
> > net mode-out mux-gen.00.out => hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-01 0   ## rapid feed
> >
> > setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-02 1   ## straight feed
> >
> > setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-03 1   ## arc feed
> >
> > setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-04 0   ## toolchange
> >
> > setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-05 0   ## probing
> >
> > setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-06 0   ## index rotary
> >
> >
> >  ###
> >
> >
> >  and error is
> >
> >
> >
> > Debug file information:
> >
> > .
> >
> > hm2-servo.hal:243: parameter or pin 'hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output' not
> > found
>
> That is because it is not is.output, its is_output.  Bit me too. :(
>
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Re: [Emc-users] conv_s32_u32.0--??

[a k]

hi
i did fix most of problem but one new how up
here is my code
#

#



loadrt mux_generic config=bb7

loadrt conv_s32_u32



addf conv-s32-u32.0 servo-thread

addf mux-gen.00 servo-thread



setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output true

setp hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.invert_output true



net mode-signed motion.motion-type => conv-s32-u32.0.in

net mode-unsigned conv-s32-u32.out => mux-gen.00.sel-int

net mode-out mux-gen.00.out => hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.out





setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-01 0   ## rapid feed

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-02 1   ## straight feed

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-03 1   ## arc feed

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-04 0   ## toolchange

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-05 0   ## probing

setp mux-gen.00.in-bit-06 0   ## index rotary


 ###


 and error is



Debug file information:

.

hm2-servo.hal:243: parameter or pin 'hm2_5i20.0.gpio.040.is.output' not
found

5118

  PID TTY  STAT   TIME COMMAND



Thank you
aram

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

>
> This works (I was wrong about the manual. it is correct)
>
> loadrt  conv_s32_u32
> addf  conv-s32-u32.0 servo-thread
>
> available pins:
>
> conv-s32-u32.0.in
> conv-s32-u32.0.out
> conv-s32-u32.0.out-of-range
>
> available parameters:
>
> conv-s32-u32.0.clamp
> conv-s32-u32.0.time
> conv-s32-u32.0.tmax
> conv-s32-u32.0.tmax-increased
>
> Note that all names except the component name in the loadrt line use
> hyphens
> only the nam ein the loadrt line uses underlines
>
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Re: [Emc-users] encoder--?

[a k]

No. I did new tune up for 2.6.4.
i did not use 2.5.4 config, because when i moved from 2.2.5 to 2.5.4 tune
up figures (PID) was absolutely different. so for 2.6.4 i did fresh tune up.

But problem that i described - really strange. When machine power up F2
ON-- shaft of motor moves but no encoder data change on display (axis)
looks like -- encoder disconnected---
and after turn power OFF -- click on F2 -- and turn shaft of the motor by
hand -- and change position of shaft of the motor reflected by change
figures on monitor.
that is strange but that what i have .





On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

> On Wed, 26 Nov 2014, a k wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:16:10 -0800
> > From: a k 
> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > 
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"  >
> > Subject: [Emc-users] encoder--?
> >
> > hi
> > i just found strange thing with motor encoder.
> > i am doing tuneup.
> > axis x and z has same motor - nema 34 from servo dynamic and y axis has
> SEM
> > .motor.
> > they all work ok with 2.5.4.
> > with 2.6.4 i can see that on axis Y (SEM motor) , when click F1 (took off
> > e-stop) than F2- power on - SEM motor start slowly rotate -- maybe noise
> -
> > maybe not--- interestingly encoder number did not show any changes --
> > rotation of the shaft of the SEM motor.
> > maybe encoder problem? No encoder is good!!
> > When i click F2 - power OFF -- and start rotate axis by the hand --
> encoder
> > data start change ( on axis display).
>
> Are you using identical hal and ini files on 2.6.4 and 2.5.4?
> if not, you should not really expect anything to work.
>
> If you have a working hal and ini file set on 2.5.4 you first must move
> these
> files from the configuration directory on your 2.5.4 system to the
> configuration directory on your 2.6.4 system
>
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[Emc-users] encoder--?

[a k]

hi
i just found strange thing with motor encoder.
i am doing tuneup.
axis x and z has same motor - nema 34 from servo dynamic and y axis has SEM
.motor.
they all work ok with 2.5.4.
with 2.6.4 i can see that on axis Y (SEM motor) , when click F1 (took off
e-stop) than F2- power on - SEM motor start slowly rotate -- maybe noise -
maybe not--- interestingly encoder number did not show any changes --
rotation of the shaft of the SEM motor.
maybe encoder problem? No encoder is good!!
When i click F2 - power OFF -- and start rotate axis by the hand -- encoder
data start change ( on axis display).

So, when power is ON encoder data disconnect from real time etc, and when
Power OFF encoder data is ok and connected to display (axis).

that what i see. is there explanation for this problem and how to solve it?
also
i tunes X and Z axis and it was ok. no such problem. when i start tuning Y
i found this problem. After that same problem show up on X and Z axis.
i know it is strange but that what i see

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Re: [Emc-users] ac servomotor drive

[a k]

any between 120-220 V AC

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, andy pugh  wrote:

> On 25 November 2014 at 20:30, a k  wrote:
> > motor has --torque  23 lb in, 4000 rpm. 6 Amp
>
> Voltage?
>
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[Emc-users] ac servomotor drive

[a k]

hi
i am interesting in motor drive for nema 34 ac servomotor
motor has --torque  23 lb in, 4000 rpm. 6 Amp
Sinusoidal

 type
simple -- no prammable.
drive with + - 10 v dc
anything that can do the task.

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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4

[a k]

i use 2.6.4 live cd.
i did not touch hal or ini file
//
when i connect y axis motor drive -- system works ok.
when i connected y axis to motor drive axis  X or Y -- system works ok.
when i connected X or Z axis to any motor drive system stop work as a
normal.

/
maybe problem with motor-drive of x and z axis ?



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> On 24 November 2014 at 22:24, a k  wrote:
> > i use live CD 2.6.4  i did not touch any HAL
>
> Then once again you are wasting everyone's time.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4

[a k]

axis y is different than axis x z in 2.6.4
when it move from 2.5.4 into 2.6.4 there should be something different in
axis setting --- y should be different from axis x and z

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 2:24 PM, a k  wrote:

> No
> i use live CD 2.6.4  i did not touch any HAL
> Just start live CD 2.6.4 and when Y axis motor connected to the system ,
> system works
> when i connect Z or X axis - all problem that i described show up again
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, a k wrote:
>>
>> > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:29:12 -0800
>> > From: a k 
>> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>> > 
>> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <
>> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4
>> >
>> > Hi
>> > i am not out of woods- so far.
>> >
>> > i did move boards and narrow the problem.
>> > 1st  i did put 5i20 --ONLY -- and system works as normal.
>> > 2nd i did connect Y axis driver- to the system - To y axis motor
>> drive
>> > --and system works as normal.
>> > I did connect Y axis to X axis motor drive and system --as normal.
>> > I did connect Y axis to Z axis motor drive and system --as normal
>> >
>> > when i Try to connect X or Z axis to the any motor drive -- system
>> > instantly change behavior -- axis froze and not click-able -- and after
>> F2
>> > axis X or Z try to move automatically by them self and instantly ERROR
>> show
>> > up.
>> >
>> >
>> > So , conclusion -- there are big difference between Y axis and axis X
>> and
>> > Z.
>> >
>> > i noticed that in the end HAL file it show that Y axis different from X
>> and
>> > Z axis.
>> > why Y is different from X and Z and what to do with my problem?
>> >
>> > thank you
>>
>> Are you using the _exact_ same .hal  and .ini files copied (via usb
>> drive or some other reliable method) from your working 2.5.4 installation?
>>
>>
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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4

[a k]

No
i use live CD 2.6.4  i did not touch any HAL
Just start live CD 2.6.4 and when Y axis motor connected to the system ,
system works
when i connect Z or X axis - all problem that i described show up again

On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Nov 2014, a k wrote:
>
> > Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 13:29:12 -0800
> > From: a k 
> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > 
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"  >
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4
> >
> > Hi
> > i am not out of woods- so far.
> >
> > i did move boards and narrow the problem.
> > 1st  i did put 5i20 --ONLY -- and system works as normal.
> > 2nd i did connect Y axis driver- to the system - To y axis motor
> drive
> > --and system works as normal.
> > I did connect Y axis to X axis motor drive and system --as normal.
> > I did connect Y axis to Z axis motor drive and system --as normal
> >
> > when i Try to connect X or Z axis to the any motor drive -- system
> > instantly change behavior -- axis froze and not click-able -- and after
> F2
> > axis X or Z try to move automatically by them self and instantly ERROR
> show
> > up.
> >
> >
> > So , conclusion -- there are big difference between Y axis and axis X
> and
> > Z.
> >
> > i noticed that in the end HAL file it show that Y axis different from X
> and
> > Z axis.
> > why Y is different from X and Z and what to do with my problem?
> >
> > thank you
>
> Are you using the _exact_ same .hal  and .ini files copied (via usb
> drive or some other reliable method) from your working 2.5.4 installation?
>
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4

[a k]

Hi
i am not out of woods- so far.

i did move boards and narrow the problem.
1st  i did put 5i20 --ONLY -- and system works as normal.
2nd i did connect Y axis driver- to the system - To y axis motor drive
 --and system works as normal.
I did connect Y axis to X axis motor drive and system --as normal.
I did connect Y axis to Z axis motor drive and system --as normal

when i Try to connect X or Z axis to the any motor drive -- system
instantly change behavior -- axis froze and not click-able -- and after F2
axis X or Z try to move automatically by them self and instantly ERROR show
up.


So , conclusion -- there are big difference between Y axis and axis X  and
Z.

i noticed that in the end HAL file it show that Y axis different from X and
Z axis.
why Y is different from X and Z and what to do with my problem?

thank you
aram



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> On Sun, 23 Nov 2014, Andrew wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 23:54:16 +0200
> > From: Andrew 
> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > 
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"  >
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4
> >
> > 2014-11-23 23:46 GMT+02:00 a k :
> >
> >> i did move 5i20 to the next PCI port and 2.6.5 work ok.
> >> i just do not know what cause to 2.6.5 to start to work ok?
> >> maybe because it use quantum mechanic -- nothing happen for sure, it
> only
> >> has high probability that it will happen.
> >>
> >> I have D525MW motherboard which does not see 5i25 card. Too bad it has
> > only one PCI slot.
> > I should try Ubuntu on that D525MW instead of Debian... who knows.
> >
> > --
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>
>
> If a PCI card is not detected, it very often is because either the contact
> fingers or slot contacts are dirty (this is especiall true of slota on  a
> motherboard that have been unused for a long time)
>
> I find the cleaning the PCI card and slot with 99% Isopropyl alcohol often
> fixes the problem. To clean the slot I dip a piece of card stock into the
> alcohol and insert/remove it several times
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Re: [Emc-users] single board computer

[a k]

All new machine tool do not have any fan to cool down processor. They use
regular refrigerator unit  to cool down whole system. Fan is old and for
desktop computer -simple - and it will bring dust and a lot of it in short
period of time.
Just need a rifrigerator and place single board computer- whole system
inside.

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Alexander Rössler  wrote:

> On Sunday 23 November 2014 20:24:26 Ralph Stirling wrote:
> > It is very likely that your friends were showing you a BeagleBone
> > or BeagleBoneBlack sbc, which uses a TI processor, running some
> > version of Linux.  The ARM processors used on these inexpensive
> > boards are very good for low-power, low-cost applications, but still
> > lag behind the performance possible with the larger x86 or amd64
> > motherboards.  Reliability of fanless, solid-state disk computers
> > should be excellent, regardless of whether they use ARM or traditional
> > processors.
> >
> > -- Ralph
> It really depends on your application. If you want to control a 10.000$ CNC
> mill then the price of the fan-less computer is comparable low and you are
> probably better with such a system.
>
> For a small 500-1000$ CNC machine a SoC might be better because of the
> price
> and size of device.
>
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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4

[a k]

I did many things.
first i open Hal and type everything in manually.
when it did not work i reload 2.6.4 and type all my changes again.
third time i copy my changes alteration to HAL to file and that just copy
past them to do it faster.
but now i can see that that 2.6.5 works i will do it again and i will type
everything manually

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:50 PM, Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Nov 2014, a k wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:12:38 -0800
> > From: a k 
> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > 
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"  >
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4
> >
> > hi
> > i try and got same problem with live CD no installation--
> > even without any installation.
> > than i try 2.5.4 and total different result.
> > Problem is that when i click F1 - off e-stop, i should be able to pick
> axis
> > -- X Y Z, able to type in in MDI , AND after i push F2 machine power up
> and
> > after i click on Y axis jog - (any increment ) tham machine should move.
> > that is how 2.5.4  works on my computer.
> > And on my computer for 2.6.4 nothig is same.
> > in live CD - F1 - e-stop off ,and i can no pick axis X Y Z they are
> frozen
> > not pickable, and i can open MDI but i CAN NOT type there anything.
> >
> > Yesterday i did see that 2.6.5 -- already there. i copy it and try it.
> same
> > result as with 2.6.4-- no difference.
> >
> > it can not be that only i have this problem. maybe not many try 2.6.5
> > why do i have this problem?
>
>
> You did not answer my question, which was:
>
> Did you copy your original working configuration files from your workin
> machine to the new 2.6.4 installation?
>
>
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Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4

[a k]

i did move 5i20 to the next PCI port and 2.6.5 work ok.
i just do not know what cause to 2.6.5 to start to work ok?
maybe because it use quantum mechanic -- nothing happen for sure, it only
has high probability that it will happen.

On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:11 PM, a k  wrote:

> hm2_pci.ko: No such device
> means that linuxcnc can not see 5i20 board?
> but it is there
> and with 2.5.4 linuxcnc can see the same  board
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:06 PM, a k  wrote:
>
>> just now i put 5i20 board into computer that i brought with me to my
>> first linuxcnc work shop in 2006 and start live CD 2.6.5 and i got error
>> //
>>
>> Removing HAL_LIB, RTAPI, and Real Time OS modules
>>
>> Removing NML shared memory segments
>>
>> Debug file information:
>>
>> Error: could not insert module
>> /usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc/hm2_pci.ko: No such device
>>
>> hm2-servo.hal:46: exit value: 1
>>
>> hm2-servo.hal:46: insmod failed, returned -1
>>
>> See the output of 'dmesg' for more information.
>>
>> 4511
>>
>> PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
>>
>> Stopping realtime threads
>>
>> Unloading hal components
>>
>>
>>  Kernel message information:
>>
>> [ 0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset
>>
>> [ 0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
>>
>> [ 0.00] Linux v
>>
>> 
>>
>> what this error indicate?
>>
>>
>> thank you
>>
>> aram
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 8:43 PM, John Thornton  wrote:
>>
>>> I have 2.5.4 and 2.6 and in Axis both behave correctly, MDI is not
>>> allowed with power off.
>>>
>>> On 11/23/2014 1:12 PM, a k wrote:
>>> > hi
>>> > i try and got same problem with live CD no installation--
>>> > even without any installation.
>>> > than i try 2.5.4 and total different result.
>>> > Problem is that when i click F1 - off e-stop, i should be able to pick
>>> axis
>>> > -- X Y Z, able to type in in MDI , AND after i push F2 machine power
>>> up and
>>> > after i click on Y axis jog - (any increment ) tham machine should
>>> move.
>>> > that is how 2.5.4  works on my computer.
>>> > And on my computer for 2.6.4 nothig is same.
>>> > in live CD - F1 - e-stop off ,and i can no pick axis X Y Z they are
>>> frozen
>>> > not pickable, and i can open MDI but i CAN NOT type there anything.
>>> >
>>> > Yesterday i did see that 2.6.5 -- already there. i copy it and try it.
>>> same
>>> > result as with 2.6.4-- no difference.
>>> >
>>> > it can not be that only i have this problem. maybe not many try 2.6.5
>>> > why do i have this problem?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Peter C. Wallace 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sat, 22 Nov 2014, a k wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:04:20 -0800
>>> >>> From: a k 
>>> >>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>>> >>>  
>>> >>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <
>>> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Subject: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4
>>> >>>
>>> >>> hi
>>> >>> i fund that i have bigger problem.
>>> >>> 2.6.4 does not work as 2.5.4
>>> >>> i just check before typing this
>>> >>>
>>> >>> When i start 2.5.4 - open CNC (my is 5i20)
>>> >>> than F1, and F2.
>>> >>> after that i can pick axis like X Y Z  and pick increment
>>> >>>
>>> >>> with 2.6.4 it does not work like that
>>> >>> Here is how it works on my computer
>>> >>> Pick interface. mesa- 5i20
>>> >>> CNC open
>>> >>> than F1.
>>> >>> than F2 - and when i pick F2 machine start move on continues feed
>>> every
>>> >>> time i pick F2..
>>> >>> i can not pick - change axis they are frozen .
>>> >>> Every time click on F2 result in motion of X axis and fallowing
>>> error.
>>> >> -can
>>> >>> not

Re: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4

[a k]

hm2_pci.ko: No such device
means that linuxcnc can not see 5i20 board?
but it is there
and with 2.5.4 linuxcnc can see the same  board


On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:06 PM, a k  wrote:

> just now i put 5i20 board into computer that i brought with me to my first
> linuxcnc work shop in 2006 and start live CD 2.6.5 and i got error
> //
>
> Removing HAL_LIB, RTAPI, and Real Time OS modules
>
> Removing NML shared memory segments
>
> Debug file information:
>
> Error: could not insert module
> /usr/realtime-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae/modules/linuxcnc/hm2_pci.ko: No such device
>
> hm2-servo.hal:46: exit value: 1
>
> hm2-servo.hal:46: insmod failed, returned -1
>
> See the output of 'dmesg' for more information.
>
> 4511
>
> PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND
>
> Stopping realtime threads
>
> Unloading hal components
>
>
>  Kernel message information:
>
> [ 0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset
>
> [ 0.00] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
>
> [ 0.00] Linux v
>
> 
>
> what this error indicate?
>
>
> thank you
>
> aram
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 8:43 PM, John Thornton  wrote:
>
>> I have 2.5.4 and 2.6 and in Axis both behave correctly, MDI is not
>> allowed with power off.
>>
>> On 11/23/2014 1:12 PM, a k wrote:
>> > hi
>> > i try and got same problem with live CD no installation--
>> > even without any installation.
>> > than i try 2.5.4 and total different result.
>> > Problem is that when i click F1 - off e-stop, i should be able to pick
>> axis
>> > -- X Y Z, able to type in in MDI , AND after i push F2 machine power up
>> and
>> > after i click on Y axis jog - (any increment ) tham machine should move.
>> > that is how 2.5.4  works on my computer.
>> > And on my computer for 2.6.4 nothig is same.
>> > in live CD - F1 - e-stop off ,and i can no pick axis X Y Z they are
>> frozen
>> > not pickable, and i can open MDI but i CAN NOT type there anything.
>> >
>> > Yesterday i did see that 2.6.5 -- already there. i copy it and try it.
>> same
>> > result as with 2.6.4-- no difference.
>> >
>> > it can not be that only i have this problem. maybe not many try 2.6.5
>> > why do i have this problem?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:00 AM, Peter C. Wallace 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 22 Nov 2014, a k wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 16:04:20 -0800
>> >>> From: a k 
>> >>> Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
>> >>>  
>> >>> To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" <
>> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>> >>>
>> >>> Subject: [Emc-users] 2.6.4---2.5.4
>> >>>
>> >>> hi
>> >>> i fund that i have bigger problem.
>> >>> 2.6.4 does not work as 2.5.4
>> >>> i just check before typing this
>> >>>
>> >>> When i start 2.5.4 - open CNC (my is 5i20)
>> >>> than F1, and F2.
>> >>> after that i can pick axis like X Y Z  and pick increment
>> >>>
>> >>> with 2.6.4 it does not work like that
>> >>> Here is how it works on my computer
>> >>> Pick interface. mesa- 5i20
>> >>> CNC open
>> >>> than F1.
>> >>> than F2 - and when i pick F2 machine start move on continues feed
>> every
>> >>> time i pick F2..
>> >>> i can not pick - change axis they are frozen .
>> >>> Every time click on F2 result in motion of X axis and fallowing error.
>> >> -can
>> >>> not change axis - nothing - all axis are -frozen
>> >>> i pick MDI and i can not type in nothing it froze also.
>> >>> 
>> >>> does any one have similar situation with 2.6.4?
>> >>>
>> >>> i burn it of DVD - how i can verify that it is good copy?
>> >>
>> >> Did you copy your working hal and ini files to the new system
>> >> and launch linuxcnc using your working files?
>> >>
>> >>> thanks
>> >>> aram
>> >>>
>> >>
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