[EVDL] Solar powered vehicle panel requirements.
The math problem here is consumption over time. A solar racer with a 5 passenger capacity 850 pound weight with a coefficient of drag of .16 rolling on moped wheels with a 1.5kw panel and 15kw battery can attain 45mph continuously without using battery power. A Nissan Leaf going 55mph achieving 5 miles per kwh would(if I got my math right) need 12kw continuously to keep that speed in full sunlight. Of course the battery is a buffer that will allow you to do faster speeds and climb hills. I suspect some sort of Pop tent trailer might be a good combination for the Cyber Truck. 450.5 sq. ft. is the maximum size of a trailer. A pop tent that size would be quite a mansion. However that might only produce 5 to 6kw. Enough to charge and extend but not to run continuously. Weight must be reduced and coefficient of drag lowered. It's a math problem. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/f7c698a9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
Elon Musk promised us a $30k Tesla. He didn't deliver one. Anyone who thinks a $40k car is affordable is clearly not in my socio- economic class. Teslas are cars for your class, not mine. I've never paid that much for a new car and (adjusting for inflation) don't ever intend to. Heck, even if I actually had that much money to spare, I STILL wouldn't spend it on a car, EV or not. There are a lot more of us middle-and lower-class folks in the world than there are of you 10-percenters who can afford $40k+ or $80k+ Teslas. If Musk honestly wants to improve the world with EVs, he'd darn well better get cracking on making some that the rest of us can buy. Get that bloody Model 3 down to the price it was supposed to be, $30k. Then introduce a couple of cheap and cheerful little basic hatchbacks the size of, say, a VW Up and a Peugeot 208. Price them around $15-20k and $20-25k. They don't have to go 300 miles on a charge. A 150-200 mile range will be ample. They don't have to accelerate from 0-60 in 3 seconds, or 6 seconds. A lot of us would be just fine with 10 or 12 seconds - or slower. We don't need a gigantic touch-screen, either. Heck, give us crank-down windows and plain mechanical door handles. And skip the autopilot, please. Just a nice, normal, decently-made car that happens to have an electric drivetrain and doesn't cost a year's income or more. THOSE are the EVs that will change the world - EVs that almost anyone can afford. Not big, bloated, heavy, gimmick-laden expensive luxury EVs for a tiny wealthy minority. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has. --William Burroughs = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
Willie via EV wrote: I assume you have by now looked at the supercharge.info map as suggested. I haven't until now. I have a Leaf (not a Tesla), so supercharger sites are useless to me. My EV also has a range of less than 100 miles, so charging sites spaced farther apart wouldn't help me anyway. There IS a big white hole in northern MN! Middle and South MN seems covered now. Look and report if you are within 50 miles of Hinckley, Baxter, or Clearwater I'm just about in the middle between the sites in Clearwater, Baxter, and Alexandria MN. What I see on the supercharge.info map are lots of sites in big cities and on the east/west coast of the US. Otherwise, they are only strung out along interstate highways, and usually more than 100 miles apart. It's a gallant start; but it's still orders of magnitude less than the number of gas stations, or even of standard 120vac outlets. Your east coast and west coast argument is no longer valid. Not if I had a Tesla. But I don't. Has anyone ever driven a Leaf coast-to-coast? I rather doubt it... it would take a month! Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
Hi Willie, I'm going by some articles that were written around ~2016. Most cited having to use RV connections up the ALCAN Highway. Here's one where the guy went to the Arctic Circle: https://insideevs.com/news/354792/tesla-model-s-arctic-road-trip/ -- not exactly a trip to Disneyland. https://www.ktoo.org/2014/08/21/touring-tesla/ -- not much detail about his trip. https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/sacramento-anchorage-model-3-possible -- This guy maps out his stops and what to carry. It is an interesting read and similar to a 2016 that may have been taken down. christmy1savior | September 15, 2019 It is definitely possible. I just drove from Gaffney, SC to Fairbanks, AK in July. I know it isn't to Anchorage but you can get there. Edmonton, Canada was the last supercharger and then after that I relied on different charging options It'll take some research and mapping out but you can do it. I'll list all my stops here. Some resources I used was PlugSharethere aren't many typical EV charging spots after Edmonton but there are some. I also used an app called RV Parky. I mapped my drive and then used RV Parky to map RV parks along the route. I tried to stick to 50 amp RV parks but there were a couple that were 30 amp only.these sucked as I was stuck here for 30+ hours, but ultimately did the job. The trip actually didn't take as long as I expected. You will also need some extra adapters. First you will need the Tesla Nema 14-50 adapter. This is used in any RV park that offers 50amp service. The next adapter is the Nema TT-30 adapter. Tesla does not make this adapter and you do not want to buy a conversion adapter for like RV's because it will not work with the Tesla. What I purchased is the evseadapters adapter. It just works like a normal Tesla adapter. Plug it in and the car does the rest. It can be found here https://www.evseadapters.com/products/tt-30-adapter-for-tesla-model-s-x-... Before I list my stops, I made the trip in a Model 3 Performance and had to drive very conservatively in between certain stops to make it. If you drive in a model that doesn't get the same distance per charge as the Model 3 performance or long range, you'll have to stop more times, meaning it'll take longer. It ultimately only took me 9 days to make the entire trip from SC to Fairbanks, AK. Stops after Edmonton, AB, Canada supercharger. Petro-Canada in Valleyview, AB. The first stop had a J-1772 charger. Here I learned that some J-1772 chargers require the adapter be plugged into the Tesla first, then plug the charger into the already plugged in adapter to start charging. If you attach the adapter onto the charger first, then plug into the car, it won't charge. I had this issue twice on the tripjust plug the adapter into the car first, the the charger into the adapter and charged like a champ. Next stop was the Microtell Inn & Suites in Fort St. John, BC. This hotel has a Tesla Destination Charger. There are other EV chargers in between but I was able to make it all the way here on one full charge, stayed the night and charged to 100%. Next was my first RV park stop. Triple G Hideaway in Fort Nelson, BC. Nice RV Park in a nice little town with some restaurants, museums, visitor center you can walk to. And you will have to because it will take over 30+ hours to fully charge. This is where you will first take advantage of the Nema TT-30 adapter I listed before. My next stop was Liard Hot Spring Lodge in Muncho Lake, BC. I highly recommend this stop. It's out in the middle of nowhere but it's across from Liard Hot Springs. Definitely go to the Hot Springs. Anyways, this will be your second use of the Nema TT-30 adapter. Word of Caution thoughI don't know if I got a bad outlet or if it's just a problem with the RV park itself because it is powered by generators, but the outlet couldn't handle the full amperage the car wanted to draw. After a little bit, the car would revert, "charging limited" or something like that. So it will charge slower here...you could slowly drop you charging amp from the touchscreen and see if it won't throw the warning. But it got me charged up nonetheless. The next stop was Baby Nugget RV Park, YT. This park has full 50amp outlets so you can take advantage of your Nema 14-50 adapter here. Nothing much to say about this park except it's right past a small town and right outside of the cell coverage area, but it's full 50amp service. Ah, my next stop was in Whitehorse, YT. In this town they have two J-1772 chargers at two different locations. I used the one at the Transportation Museum here so I had some things to do to help kill the time. This town is basically in the middle of nowhere so it surprised me to come across some EV chargers but it was a good surprise nonetheless and sped up my trip pretty significantly. The next stop was Beaver Creek RV Park in Beaver Creek, YT. Not much to say here either except this is another full 50amp service RV Park. Finally
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
Well said, Dave. I will hang onto my '89 Toyota pickup with those awesome crank windows and new fangled electronic ignition, no AC. It is 30 years old now and in NC I don't even have to get it inspected for safety anymore. (Isn't that strange?) It is hard for cars with lots of little motors and sensors to be affordable for decades. I suspect that Teslas and EVs will be better, more durable, than we are accustomed to with contemporaneous ICE. I just can't afford them. On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:45 AM EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > Elon Musk promised us a $30k Tesla. He didn't deliver one. > > Anyone who thinks a $40k car is affordable is clearly not in my socio- > economic class. Teslas are cars for your class, not mine. I've never > paid > that much for a new car and (adjusting for inflation) don't ever intend > to. > Heck, even if I actually had that much money to spare, I STILL wouldn't > spend it on a car, EV or not. > > There are a lot more of us middle-and lower-class folks in the world than > there are of you 10-percenters who can afford $40k+ or $80k+ Teslas. If > Musk honestly wants to improve the world with EVs, he'd darn well better > get > cracking on making some that the rest of us can buy. > > Get that bloody Model 3 down to the price it was supposed to be, $30k. > Then > introduce a couple of cheap and cheerful little basic hatchbacks the size > of, say, a VW Up and a Peugeot 208. Price them around $15-20k and > $20-25k. > > They don't have to go 300 miles on a charge. A 150-200 mile range will be > ample. They don't have to accelerate from 0-60 in 3 seconds, or 6 > seconds. > A lot of us would be just fine with 10 or 12 seconds - or slower. > > We don't need a gigantic touch-screen, either. Heck, give us crank-down > windows and plain mechanical door handles. And skip the autopilot, > please. > Just a nice, normal, decently-made car that happens to have an electric > drivetrain and doesn't cost a year's income or more. > > THOSE are the EVs that will change the world - EVs that almost anyone can > afford. Not big, bloated, heavy, gimmick-laden expensive luxury EVs for a > tiny wealthy minority. > > David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > > To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't > mind their own business, because they have no business of their own > to > mind, any more than a smallpox virus has. > > --William Burroughs > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- Michael E. Ross (919) 585-6737 Land (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, Google Phone and Text -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/784998f1/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Solar powered vehicle panel requirements.
There are 400w panels out that are roughly 7'x3.5' So a rather reasonable 7'x7' trailer could produce 800w, which is a good amount of power - but not nearly enough. Assuming they're mounted flat, that's 800w at high noon, and less at every other part of the day. We could expect something like 3.2kwh / day of production, or roughly a 1 mile extension in range. To get the 12kw needed, we need at least 15 times that, or 105' long trailer, 7' wide. Then we could drive continuously at around the noon hour for around an hour, on a good sunny day. Sadly, as you said, it's a math problem.. On 7/10/20 12:21 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: The math problem here is consumption over time. A solar racer with a 5 passenger capacity 850 pound weight with a coefficient of drag of .16 rolling on moped wheels with a 1.5kw panel and 15kw battery can attain 45mph continuously without using battery power. A Nissan Leaf going 55mph achieving 5 miles per kwh would(if I got my math right) need 12kw continuously to keep that speed in full sunlight. Of course the battery is a buffer that will allow you to do faster speeds and climb hills. I suspect some sort of Pop tent trailer might be a good combination for the Cyber Truck. 450.5 sq. ft. is the maximum size of a trailer. A pop tent that size would be quite a mansion. However that might only produce 5 to 6kw. Enough to charge and extend but not to run continuously. Weight must be reduced and coefficient of drag lowered. It's a math problem. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/f7c698a9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
s > > = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > > > > ___ > > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > -- > Michael E. Ross > (919) 585-6737 Land > (919) 901-2805 Cell and Text > (919) 576-0824 <https://www.google.com/voice/b/0?pli=1#phones> Tablet, > Google Phone and Text > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/784998f1/attachment.html > > > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA ( > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/22d699fe/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)
Hi Folks I’m trying to decide (with the Corona discount), a trip car like the Prius Prime vs Chevy Bolt (both about $18k, low miles 1-2 years old). On the one hand, the 50Mpg Prime is a no brainer, but with the complexity/service of ICE. What is the cost per KWH to charge at a fast charger? Still 36c per KWH (vs 12c at home)? 50Mpg is about 4c per mile I still have my Spark and Leaf for my son (free solar plug in at home) and I but the wife drives a Prius with 180k miles on it, thinking of something newer since used car prices are down during Corona. Maybe a RAV4 plug in to pull the speedboat instead of the truck? Oh, they’re $40k, never mind. I liked Dave’s email, crank windows and key start are fine with me, can’t afford a Tesla. But with long range EVs (like the Chevy Bolt) now selling for $18k with 250 miles range, makes more sense. Just worried about taking long trips in the winter with less range. (Usually go to Wash DC from Roanoke or to Atlanta for Bens Robot Battles). Best regards Mark in Roanoke Va Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Solar powered vehicle panel requirements.
That math seems wrong to me. 3200 Wh at 25Wh/m = 12.8 miles not 1 mile. On Friday, July 10, 2020, 8:22:02 AM CDT, Tom Mandera via EV wrote: There are 400w panels out that are roughly 7'x3.5' So a rather reasonable 7'x7' trailer could produce 800w, which is a good amount of power - but not nearly enough. Assuming they're mounted flat, that's 800w at high noon, and less at every other part of the day. We could expect something like 3.2kwh / day of production, or roughly a 1 mile extension in range. To get the 12kw needed, we need at least 15 times that, or 105' long trailer, 7' wide. Then we could drive continuously at around the noon hour for around an hour, on a good sunny day. Sadly, as you said, it's a math problem.. On 7/10/20 12:21 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > The math problem here is consumption over time. A solar racer with a 5 > passenger capacity 850 pound weight with a coefficient of drag of .16 > rolling on moped wheels with a 1.5kw panel and 15kw battery can attain 45mph > continuously without using battery power. A Nissan Leaf going 55mph achieving > 5 miles per kwh would(if I got my math right) need 12kw continuously to keep > that speed in full sunlight. Of course the battery is a buffer that will > allow you to do faster speeds and climb hills. I suspect some sort of Pop > tent trailer might be a good combination for the Cyber Truck. 450.5 sq. ft. > is the maximum size of a trailer. A pop tent that size would be quite a > mansion. However that might only produce 5 to 6kw. Enough to charge and > extend but not to run continuously. Weight must be reduced and coefficient > of drag lowered. It's a math problem. Lawrence Rhodes > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/f7c698a9/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/18cbae85/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)
Looks like the Chevy Bolt is the best price for a long range EV slightly used. Have a renewable energy day Mark Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:23 PM, paul dove wrote: > > > Used Tesla Under $20,000: 1,255 Cars from $12,900 - iSeeCars.com > > Used Tesla Under $20,000: 1,255 Cars from $12,900 - iSeeCars.com > Save $3,735 on Used Tesla Under $20,000. Search 1,255 listings to find the > best deals. iSeeCars.com analyzes pri... > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020, 10:23:50 AM CDT, Mark Hanson via EV > wrote: > > > Hi Folks > I’m trying to decide (with the Corona discount), a trip car like the Prius > Prime vs Chevy Bolt (both about $18k, low miles 1-2 years old). On the one > hand, the 50Mpg Prime is a no brainer, but with the complexity/service of > ICE. What is the cost per KWH to charge at a fast charger? Still 36c per > KWH (vs 12c at home)? 50Mpg is about 4c per mile I still have my Spark and > Leaf for my son (free solar plug in at home) and I but the wife drives a > Prius with 180k miles on it, thinking of something newer since used car > prices are down during Corona. Maybe a RAV4 plug in to pull the speedboat > instead of the truck? Oh, they’re $40k, never mind. I liked Dave’s email, > crank windows and key start are fine with me, can’t afford a Tesla. But with > long range EVs (like the Chevy Bolt) now selling for $18k with 250 miles > range, makes more sense. Just worried about taking long trips in the winter > with less range. (Usually go to Wash DC from Roanoke or to Atlanta for Bens > Robot Battles). > Best regards > Mark in Roanoke Va > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -- next part ------ An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/26c67087/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)
FWIW those $12k-$14k Teslas are wrecked, lots of damage, probably considered "totaled" The cheapest listed Tesla without obvious damage is $25k July 10, 2020 9:12 AM, "paul dove via EV" wrote: > Used Tesla Under $20,000: 1,255 Cars from $12,900 - iSeeCars.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
I believe the statistic is that they "Average" 35 miles a day. So it could be 10 miles a day Mon-Fri, 195 miles on saturday and zero on Sunday. Etc. Still "Most" of the time a vehicle with 50 mile range will probably sufficient, but not ALL of the time. My wife will go months without having the Dino burner turn on in the Volt. The first time this happened she thought something was wrong with the car because she got a warning saying it was going to fire up the generator next time she drove it (it starts the engine every two months to keep it lubricated and run diagnostics). But she also drives up to Tucson 6-10 times a year, that's typically a 190+ mile trip. July 9, 2020 1:07 PM, "paul dove via EV" wrote: > You are the exception not the rule. The data I have seen says 85% of the > people go 35 miles a day. > I never claimed everyone only needs 100 miles a day. I was also speaking of > personal experience > driving an EV. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: >> >> Paul, >> 300+ mile range isn't fictional. Or, maybe at least 250 miles. >> >> Sure, if you rarely go more than, say, 100 miles in a day you can rent >> something for the >> exceptions. >> >> Using myself as an example, I need a vehicle that can go 200 miles RT for >> excursions to the >> mountains. I go 20-25 times a year which justifies owning a vehicle rather >> than renting. Plus, with >> a 15 hour day, I don't want the overhead of another hour or two to rent >> something. Plus, rental >> companies generally don't allow driving off paved roads, except for short >> driveways. >> >> I think there are many people who have stories, and in all sorts of manners. >> I also agree, there >> are plenty of people who think they need it but don't. >> >> Peri >> >> << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? >> https://quietcleanseattle.org >> >> >> -- Original Message -- >> From: "paul dove via EV" >> To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" >> Cc: "paul dove" >> Sent: 09-Jul-20 4:16:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 >> >>> I would say that is only because people fictionally think they need a 300+ >>> mile range. My i-MiEV >>> goes 40 miles now after 8 years 65 miles new and rarely will it not go >>> where I need to go. I have a >>> Tesla now and it’s so much nicer I drive it most of the time. But before >>> COVID I drive the >>> Mitsubishi everyday to work. I love that car and while the range cuts it >>> close sometimes I think >>> With 100 mile range I would have Zero issues. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jul 9, 2020, at 4:35 AM, Bill Dube via EV wrote: >> >> LiFePO4 only has about half the specific energy of metal oxide (like cobalt) >> cells. >> >> Because they are such low impedance (high specific power) you can reduce the >> weight of the cooling >> system, (or perhaps eliminate it entirely) but that in not nearly enough >> weight to make up the >> difference in an EV application. >> >> LiFePO4 is best when you are more interested in high power, or cycle life, >> or perhaps safety, than >> in maximum energy content per kg. >> Cordless tools, starting, start-stop, hybrids, all are great applications. >> EV's, not so much. >> >> Bill D. >> >> On 7/10/2020 12:26 AM, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: >> On 9 Jul 2020 at 14:30, Bill Dube via EV wrote: >> >> They altered their focus away from EV batteries and towards other >> markets that made more sense for LiFePO4 technology. >> Obviously I'm not in any position to advise them, but I wonder if it might >> be time for A123 to review their focus. >> >> I don't know how dependent they are on the US market, but with the US >> seemingly headed for both short and long term economic contraction, they >> might do well to look toward western Europe and Southeast Asia for growth. >> There the market for EVs and their batteries is ramping up quickly. >> >> EVs there are (unfortunately IMO) getting larger, with more battery space. >> Something of a range race is heating up, too. >> >> If A123 can solve the energy density problem (I mean in terms of volume, not >> mass), I suspect that they could also grab some of the warranty and spares >> market. >> >> For example, there are quite a few older 2012-2019 Renault Zoes running >> round the EU. In most countries save Norway the majority have leased >> batteries. Renault's contract says they'll service the batteries if they >> fall below 75% capacity. If A123 could supply cells that would yield the >> nominal original capacity (22kWh or 42kWh) and be the last service that that >> battery needed, Renault's bean counters might take notice. >> >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey >> >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my >> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt >> >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >> It's easier to fool people than to
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: Okay. I hear you. I splurged. Instead of keeping my cars 16 years and running them into the ground, I went ahead and purchased something that is normally out of my price range. So why? [reasons snipped...] They are good reasons, Peter. Being first always costs more. But you also get early access to new opportunities and capabilities. It's better to be a leader than a follower. Taking the road less travelled is more stressful, but also more exciting and interesting, and makes a path for others to follow. Doing things the hard way takes more time. But you learn more, which is valuable as well. The problem is always money. It's a limited resource; to be used wisely. For most people, once the necessities are paid for, there is little left over. So it's important to figure out how to use what is left for the greatest good. In my case, I have just found other things to do with $80,000 besides buying a luxury car. Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
On 10 Jul 2020 at 17:57, Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > I seem to remember someone driving a converted VW microbus > coast-to-coast 30-40 years ago, and it had far less than 100 miles > range. This may be what you're thinking of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Transcontinental_Electric_Car_Race I read a much more exhaustive and entertaining description of it in the 1980s, but can't recall where, unfortunately. The utilites set up charging sites for the race. I've seen s a photo of the MIT Corvair charging in front of a gigantic transformer station. IIRC, the Caltech guys (led by none other than Wally Rippel, the guy who designed the first commercial transistor EV controller) also shinnied up a few countryside power poles to harvest electrons here and there. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = I found one day in school a boy of medium size ill-treating a smaller boy. I expostulated, but he replied: "The bigs hit me, so I hit the babies; that's fair." In these words he epitomized the history of the human race. -- Bertrand Russell, "Education and the Social Order" = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)
Yeah sounds like a year old Chevy Bolt or Prius Prime makes the most sense. As Consumer Reports noted in last months issue, used EVs are the most cost effective way to go, typically 30-50% in the first year or two ). Teslas are like Harleys, paying for the name and don’t drop much. The other long range EVs are too pricey now and not much on the used car market. Let someone else pay that first year big depreciation (and get the bugs worked out on new models ) Best regards Mark Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2020, at 3:20 PM, e...@vanderwal.us wrote: > > FWIW those $12k-$14k Teslas are wrecked, lots of damage, probably considered > "totaled" > > The cheapest listed Tesla without obvious damage is $25k > > July 10, 2020 9:12 AM, "paul dove via EV" wrote: > >> Used Tesla Under $20,000: 1,255 Cars from $12,900 - iSeeCars.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)
Used Tesla Under $20,000: 1,255 Cars from $12,900 - iSeeCars.com | | | | | | | | | | | Used Tesla Under $20,000: 1,255 Cars from $12,900 - iSeeCars.com Save $3,735 on Used Tesla Under $20,000. Search 1,255 listings to find the best deals. iSeeCars.com analyzes pri... | | | On Friday, July 10, 2020, 10:23:50 AM CDT, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: Hi Folks I’m trying to decide (with the Corona discount), a trip car like the Prius Prime vs Chevy Bolt (both about $18k, low miles 1-2 years old). On the one hand, the 50Mpg Prime is a no brainer, but with the complexity/service of ICE. What is the cost per KWH to charge at a fast charger? Still 36c per KWH (vs 12c at home)? 50Mpg is about 4c per mile I still have my Spark and Leaf for my son (free solar plug in at home) and I but the wife drives a Prius with 180k miles on it, thinking of something newer since used car prices are down during Corona. Maybe a RAV4 plug in to pull the speedboat instead of the truck? Oh, they’re $40k, never mind. I liked Dave’s email, crank windows and key start are fine with me, can’t afford a Tesla. But with long range EVs (like the Chevy Bolt) now selling for $18k with 250 miles range, makes more sense. Just worried about taking long trips in the winter with less range. (Usually go to Wash DC from Roanoke or to Atlanta for Bens Robot Battles). Best regards Mark in Roanoke Va Sent from my iPhone ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/5f9c2ee3/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)
Looks like the Chevy Bolt is the best price for a long range EV slightly used. Have a renewable energy day Mark Sent from my iPhone >> On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:23 PM, paul dove wrote: > > Used Tesla Under $20,000: 1,255 Cars from $12,900 - iSeeCars.com > > Used Tesla Under $20,000: 1,255 Cars from $12,900 - iSeeCars.com > Save $3,735 on Used Tesla Under $20,000. Search 1,255 listings to find the > best deals. iSeeCars.com analyzes pri... > > > > On Friday, July 10, 2020, 10:23:50 AM CDT, Mark Hanson via EV > wrote: > > > Hi Folks > I’m trying to decide (with the Corona discount), a trip car like the Prius > Prime vs Chevy Bolt (both about $18k, low miles 1-2 years old). On the one > hand, the 50Mpg Prime is a no brainer, but with the complexity/service of > ICE. What is the cost per KWH to charge at a fast charger? Still 36c per > KWH (vs 12c at home)? 50Mpg is about 4c per mile I still have my Spark and > Leaf for my son (free solar plug in at home) and I but the wife drives a > Prius with 180k miles on it, thinking of something newer since used car > prices are down during Corona. Maybe a RAV4 plug in to pull the speedboat > instead of the truck? Oh, they’re $40k, never mind. I liked Dave’s email, > crank windows and key start are fine with me, can’t afford a Tesla. But with > long range EVs (like the Chevy Bolt) now selling for $18k with 250 miles > range, makes more sense. Just worried about taking long trips in the winter > with less range. (Usually go to Wash DC from Roanoke or to Atlanta for Bens > Robot Battles). > Best regards > Mark in Roanoke Va > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/6b0b47b9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
>> Charging is no longer an issue. Most everyone is within 50 miles of a >> SuperCharger and SuperChargers are (intelligently) spaced about 100 >> miles apart on essentially all major routes. > > Well; if you live in the USA on the east or west coast. But they are few and > far between outside of > urban areas in the vast spaces between the coasts. > This is rapidly improving. Up until about a year ago there were no public charging stations within 80 miles of me, but Walmart is adding charging stations at many of their stores and one up in Benson opened last year, so now I have a DC fast charger ~40 miles from me. There are also a couple J1772 chargers in town now (~12 miles from me). However, it's still a bit challenging to get out of AZ. Walmart added a charging station just west of Phoenix, but there isn't anything between it and Blythe California, ~120 miles and quite a lot of climbing. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
> Not if I had a Tesla. But I don't. Has anyone ever driven a Leaf > coast-to-coast? I rather doubt > it... it would take a month! It wouldn't surprise me. I seem to remember someone driving a converted VW microbus coast-to-coast 30-40 years ago, and it had far less than 100 miles range. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
Well, the "average" price of a new ICE is right around $40k, so there are 4 long range EVS that cost less than average price, and two of them still qualify for the $7500 tax credit. With COVID and cheap gas, many places are offering hefty discounts on EVs. As I said earlier, some places are selling brand new Chevy Bolts for less than $25,000 July 10, 2020 8:45 AM, "EVDL Administrator via EV" wrote: > Elon Musk promised us a $30k Tesla. He didn't deliver one. > > Anyone who thinks a $40k car is affordable is clearly not in my socio- > economic class. Teslas are cars for your class, not mine. I've never paid > that much for a new car and (adjusting for inflation) don't ever intend to. > Heck, even if I actually had that much money to spare, I STILL wouldn't > spend it on a car, EV or not. > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)
Early Leafs were $10,000 not long ago. A hybrid? “Give a hoot, don’t pollute!” - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 10, 2020, at 8:23 AM, Mark Hanson via EV wrote: > > Hi Folks > I’m trying to decide (with the Corona discount), a trip car like the Prius > Prime vs Chevy Bolt (both about $18k, low miles 1-2 years old). On the one > hand, the 50Mpg Prime is a no brainer, but with the complexity/service of > ICE. What is the cost per KWH to charge at a fast charger? Still 36c per > KWH (vs 12c at home)? 50Mpg is about 4c per mile I still have my Spark and > Leaf for my son (free solar plug in at home) and I but the wife drives a > Prius with 180k miles on it, thinking of something newer since used car > prices are down during Corona. Maybe a RAV4 plug in to pull the speedboat > instead of the truck? Oh, they’re $40k, never mind. I liked Dave’s email, > crank windows and key start are fine with me, can’t afford a Tesla. But with > long range EVs (like the Chevy Bolt) now selling for $18k with 250 miles > range, makes more sense. Just worried about taking long trips in the winter > with less range. (Usually go to Wash DC from Roanoke or to Atlanta for Bens > Robot Battles). > Best regards > Mark in Roanoke Va > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
I agree, I still mess up and get them wrong sometimes and I own both of them. As an example, I ment to say 2nd Gen Chevy Volt, not Bolt. I'm guessing you picked up on that. > Also a shame they picked such confusing names. > Bolt. Volt. > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2020, 20:30 Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > >> This is why I believed that the 2nd Gen Chevy Bolt was the perfect vehicle >> for 90% of the population. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
Some that I know have called it the best car they ever owned. I don’t think you’ll be sorry. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone > On Jul 10, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Peter Eckhoff via EV wrote: > > Okay. I hear you. I splurged. Instead of keeping my cars 16 years and > running them into the ground, I went ahead and purchased something that is > normally out of my price range. > So why? > First, two of my high school classmates' kids died in the collapse of the > Towers of 9/11. Not a normal reason but since I had kids their age, it was > my way of "charging windmills". Take that Saudi Arabia and that!! (That > really showed them!!!) > Second, Exxon Mobil publishes a yearly graph depicting the peaking of > liquid [crude oil] supply around 2040. (Now we are talking something > monumental and we had better be into solutions.) > Third, it does not take much to see the effects of oil and gasoline on the > environment. I can read about gasoline leaking into people's drinking > water and see patches of oil on nearby lakes from "stink pots". > Fourth, I love driving electric. > Five, sixth, seventh, etc.: > As our fossil fuels dwindle, how are we to get food, goods, and services > around? Doing so electrically is a potential solution. > In my Tesla, I brought up a doppler radar internet page and was able to > spot a tornadic signature on the screen. > I can reach Ashfall Fossil Bed State Park electrically and see the imprint > of a "dog" on the bottom of an extinct pond uncovered from volcanic ash. > (Why did Willie want to go to Alaska? > Why did an old German guy want to drive his Tesla to the Arctic Ocean > and "dip his toes into those waters" - so to speak. > Why do people want to climb mountains and do things that have no > economic impact?) > Someone's got to buy a Tesla to keep Tesla in business, drive down the cost > of the packs, and potentially be part of the monumental shift away from > fossil fuels. I volunteered. > > > > > > > > > > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Corona Discount)
Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote: Early Leafs were $10,000 not long ago. A hybrid? “Give a hoot, don’t pollute!” Well, my only ICE car is a plug-in Prius. I had to buy it used in Massachusetts to get it, as Toyota won't sell them here. It has about a 20-mile range as an EV, which is enough for one trip around town at a time (but then it charges back up pretty fast at home). The ICE is only used for long trips. Actually, I don't even get to drive it much. It's my son's "daily driver". Do what works for you, Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Solar powered vehicle panel requirements.
It's a math problem that can't be solved. At least not with today's technology. On 7/10/2020 2:21 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: The math problem here is consumption over time. A solar racer with a 5 passenger capacity 850 pound weight with a coefficient of drag of .16 rolling on moped wheels with a 1.5kw panel and 15kw battery can attain 45mph continuously without using battery power. A Nissan Leaf going 55mph achieving 5 miles per kwh would(if I got my math right) need 12kw continuously to keep that speed in full sunlight. Of course the battery is a buffer that will allow you to do faster speeds and climb hills. I suspect some sort of Pop tent trailer might be a good combination for the Cyber Truck. 450.5 sq. ft. is the maximum size of a trailer. A pop tent that size would be quite a mansion. However that might only produce 5 to 6kw. Enough to charge and extend but not to run continuously. Weight must be reduced and coefficient of drag lowered. It's a math problem. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/f7c698a9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] vw-pr: Florida Governor announcers state EV infrastructure.
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%My EVnews searches see multitudes of pr-pieces anouncing EVSE.
Especially those wallowing in vw-die$elgate-funding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
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FOX 13 Tampa Bay
Florida will use Volkswagen money to boost vehicle
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A Tesla electric car is seen parked at a charging station in Altamonte
Springs, Florida on January 20, 2019. (Photo by Paul Hennessy/NurPhoto via
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A European Commission initiative which invites and supports consortia to
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infrastructure, ...
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CBC.ca
NL electric vehicle charging network gets $2.2M funding
boost
Newfoundland and Labrador is much closer to a network of electric vehicle
... so this is fantastic that we'll finally have this piece of
infrastructure," he said.
5 hours ago
Fox Business
California adds electric vehicle fees up to $175
The fees, which were added by a 2017 state law, add an upfront $100
registration fee for all zero-emission vehicles model year 2020 and later. A
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[EVDL] EVLN: Escaped quarantine on a $2k e-bike> a needed distraction
https://www.yahoo.com/news/escaped-quarantine-2-000-electric-133000489.html
I escaped quarantine on a $2,000 electric bike, and it was the distraction
from reality I desperately needed
July 2, 2020 Business Insider -Super73 is a California-based company
that's been building good-looking, retro-styled electric bikes since 2016
-I put the company's S1 model through its paces to see how good the bike is
for getting around New York as the city starts to open up -The quick,
sturdy, and fun e-bike took me far away from my apartment and put a huge
smile on my face in the process. Restaurants, barbershops, beaches, and
offices are reopening, but the challenge of how to travel to those places
without excessive human interaction remains ...
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ELECTRIC PEE-WEES: THE SILENT REVOLUTION OF THE HUSQVARNA EE 5 & KTM SX-E 5
Jul 7, 2020 KTM and Husqvarna owner Stefan Pierer believes in electric
technology and see ... that pee-wees are what electric motorcycle
manufacturers should focus on ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: Mahindra Atom e-quadricycle nEV> 2021 launch expected
https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/news/mahindra-teases-atom-electric-vehicle-launch-likely-next-year-41594011531432.html
Mahindra teases Atom electric vehicle, launch likely next
year
06 Jul 2020 The Atom electric quadricycle is expected to be powered by 15kW
electric motor and lithium-ion battery pack. The top speed of the vehicle is
unlikely to exceed 60 kph ...
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https://autos.yahoo.com/software-gives-teslas-quicker-acceleration-174500686.html
Software Update Gives Teslas Quicker Acceleration and a Crazy Launch Mode
April 9, 2020 Road & Track ... the v.2020.12.5 release notes, the Model S
and X now lower their front suspensions and adjust their adaptive dampers
when Launch Mode is activated. Per the release notes, the update adds a new
functionality to Launch Mode—when engaged, the car lowers its front
suspension and adjusts its active dampers to improve traction at launch ...
Peak power increases by about 50 horsepower, according to what Musk said
when announcing the update last year, and there's more power available above
80 mph ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20200713
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Escaped-quarantine-on-a-2k-e-bike-a-needed-distraction-tp4698115.html
EVLN: Escaped quarantine on a $2k e-bike> a needed distraction
I escaped quarantine on a $2,000 electric bike, and it was the distraction
from reality I desperately needed
July 2, 2020 -Super73 ... good-looking, retro-styled electric bikes ...
put the company's S1 model through its paces ... quick, sturdy, and fun
e-bike took me far away from my apartment and put a huge smile on my face in
the process ...
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EVLN: Mahindra Atom e-quadricycle nEV> 2021 launch expected
Mahindra teases Atom electric vehicle, launch likely next year
06 Jul 2020 The Atom electric quadricycle is expected to be powered by 15kW
electric motor and lithium-ion battery pack. The top speed of the vehicle is
unlikely to exceed 60 kph ...
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Pee-wee e-motorcycles> The SILENT REVOLUTION
Tesla Software Update> Quicker Acceleration Launch Mode
2 Howard County electric school buses in a pilot program
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Ford should rush-in w/ an Escort Wagon EV
Ford Should Make This Legacy Model Electric ASAP
2020-07-01 Ford could charge in and reap havoc by re-introducing an
all-electric version of the Escort Wagon. As the car market moves into the
all-electric space, there appears to be somewhat of a gap when it comes to
wagon options ...
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TX Tesla: Austin Gigafactory tax-break secured ...
Jul. 10th 2020 Tesla has secured an important approval for a tax break from
a local school district in order to build its next Gigafactory in Austin,
Texas ...
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Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 93, Issue 16
Yeah but the problem with the Route de Sol Van is that right now it's stuck in Mexico, having gone from Alaska, south through Canada, and the continental US. They hit some high winds and it tore the solar panels off and did a lot of damage. And the panels are their primary source of energy. They can plug in also, but they usually refuel with photons. I'm trying to get them to post on the SEVA Seattle EV Association list so that our members could help them. With COVID, they can't seem to get parts accross the border. Tim On 7/10/2020 10:23 PM, ev-requ...@lists.evdl.org wrote: Message: 6 Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 16:30:30 -0700 From: phil hochstetler To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:53 AM Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: Not if I had a Tesla. But I don't. Has anyone ever driven a Leaf coast-to-coast? I rather doubt it... it would take a month! It wouldn't surprise me. I seem to remember someone driving a converted VW microbus coast-to-coast 30-40 years ago, and it had far less than 100 miles range. ___ Of course you could drive on locally produced electrons from Alaska to Agentina (sunshine). Who needs a plug? https://www.routedelsol.com/ Phil H. -- next part -- -- With hope, Tim Economu Offgrid Systems LLC -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/cc6edf9b/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] TX Tesla: Austin Gigafactory tax-break secured ...
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Tesla secures tax break for Cybertruck Gigafactory in Austin
Jul. 10th 2020 Fred Lambert
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Tesla has secured an important approval for a tax break from a local school
district in order to build its next Gigafactory in Austin, Texas.
In May, Electrek exclusively reported that Tesla’s next factory is going to
be in Austin.
It plans to move fast with hopes to have a general assembly line for Model Y
in Texas by the end of the year and it is already making preparations at a
site near Austin.
Last month, we reported on Tesla securing a 2,100-acre piece of land just
outside Austin to build the factory.
However, before the deal is made official, Tesla needs to receive approval
from a few levels of local government for an incentive package that includes
significant tax breaks for the $1 billion electric vehicle factory.
Today, the Del Valle Independent School District, which would be receiving a
large part of the taxes Tesla will be paying for the factory, has officially
approved the tax break that could save Tesla over $50 million in the next 10
years.
Now Tesla needs to receive approval from Travis County commissioners for an
additional tax abatement before it officially moves forward with the
project.
The project, which is codenamed Colorado River Project, has also been called
the Tesla Cybertruck Gigafactory since it is expected to be the
manufacturing site for Tesla’s upcoming electric pickup truck.
Electrek’s Take
Again, my understanding is that the deal for the Austin factory is
unofficially a done deal. It just needs to go through the process.
It was also a no-brainer for the school district since they are approving
forgoing taxes that don’t exist right now anyway.
Here are the trends of the school district revenue from that piece of land
without Tesla, with Tesla and the tax break, and with Tesla without tax
break:
I would argue that this is a pretty good compromise.
Over the period, the school district is going to get an additional $28
million in funding, which is a big deal for a relatively small school
district.
The logic is similar for the bigger incentive package at the county level,
which I also expect will be officially adopted soon.
I expect that Tesla will officially announce that the project is happening
in Austin as soon as next week ...
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[EVDL] EVent: .hu e-Rallycross re-Proves EVs Can Compete Against ice
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2020/07/the-first-all-electric-rallycross-car-will-attempt-to-prove-it-can-compete-against-gas-cars-this-weekend-in-hungary/
The First All-Electric Rallycross Car Will Attempt To Prove It Can Compete
Against Gas Cars This Weekend In Hungary
July 10, 2020 Bradley Brownell
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Rallycross might be the perfect outlet for electric motorsport right now.
The rounds are short and the action is fast paced, meaning cars don’t need a
lot of range for a ten minute heat race. The instant torque means electric
rallycross cars can dig out of the hole in rapid fashion. And while the
weight takes a proper hot shoe to control, it’s far less of a detriment in a
loose surface series than one that requires grip. All of that is why I’m so
excited about STARD’s Projekt E electric Ford Fiesta making its race debut
this weekend.
Rallycross ace and former WRC rallyist Manfred Stohl will be the guinea pig
strapped into the seat for this EV vs ICE experiment. Ahead of the FIA World
RX championship allowing electric racers in its Supercar class for the 2022
season, the STARD car will run this weekend’s round of the Hungarian
Rallycross Championship at the Kakucs circuit.
The Fiesta is powered by a trio of electric motors totaling 450kW (about 615
horsepower) shoving forward thrust through all four wheels. That should put
the car on more or less equal footing with the conventionally-powered
two-litre turbocharged Supercars, which make around 600 horsepower in race
trim. The Supercar class features an 11-car grid at this round, so Stohl
will have plenty of competition for the race victory.
STARD CEO and lead engineer Michael Sakowicz had this to say about the
upcoming race in a discussion with Motorsport.com: “It’s just another
session in our extensive and continuous testing program. Our expectations
are to collect further data and experience, and to have a great race
weekend. It’s the first race event for us at all in this strange year.”
“It’s great that we’re giving an electric rallycross car its first
proper debut,” said Sakowicz. “We’ve been pioneers in electric rallycross
since 2015. We are not afraid of the challenge to do things no-one has ever
done before, that’s why we’re leading the way.”
This car is meant to be a test bed for the upcoming Projekt E series, which
will race alongside FIA World RX later this year as a standalone category
with spec STARD powertrains. This event in Hungary will mark the first time
that an electric rallycross machine has competed in the same event on track
at the same time racing for the same trophy as other traditionally-powered
cars.
To complicate things, World RX is adding Junior eRX as a third tier below
Projekt E in 2021. So by the time 2022 rolls around, there will be three
different specifications of electric rallycross car running around the track
throughout a World RX weekend. Why is it so hard to get normal people to
understand how racing works again? Oh, right.
If you want to see the Projekt E in action, check out this test with Tiff
Needell. It’s a pretty astonishing machine, but it doesn’t sound like it’s
designed to be directly competitive with FIA Rallycross Supercar classed gas
cars. Maybe STARD has some tricks up its sleeve to keep the car competitive.
Who knows what will happen. I look forward to seeing the result of this
little experiment ...
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[EVDL] Florida Governor announcers state EV infrastructure.
https://www.enterpriseflorida.com/news/governor-ron-desantis-announces-plan-expansion-floridas-electric-vehicle-infrastructure/ Lawrence Rhodes ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
On 10 Jul 2020 at 15:48, paul dove via EV wrote: > ThatTMs nuts. Batteries are still the barrier. You canTMt even convert one > with that much range for that price Not so fast there. The EV economy of scale we've been talking about for 25+ years is finally happening, at least in Europe and Asia. Development is moving quickly, and competition on price and range is starting to heat up. In Germany, the 2020 VW E-Up is 17,595 euros ($19,706) after incentives. It has a 36.8kWh battery and a range of 260km (160mi). https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/e/first-drives/volkswagen-e- 2020-uk-review Or how about a Renault City K-ZE? Getting solid info is a bit frustrating, with published prices varying from $8,700 to $12,000, and range from 250km (155mi) to 270km (170mi), depending on the source. The battery is 26.8kWh. It's currently offered only in China, but a modified version with improved safety, more power, and no doubt a higher price, will probably appear in Europe in 2021. It may be sold under the Dacia name. My guess is that they'll offer it at around the VW E-Up's price. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_City_K-ZE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ5ymZpVpt0 Anything else you'd like to say is nuts? :-) David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Not so fast there. The EV economy of scale we've been talking about for 25+ years is finally happening, at least in Europe and Asia. Thanks for the additional info, David. I liked this reference: Prices of EVs in general are much lower in China than in the US or Europe, and they exhibit a downward trend while in the West they show an upward trend: a report by JATO Dynamics shows that an all-electric car priced at $1 in 2011 would now cost $0.52 in China, but $1.42 in Europe and $1.55 in the US. It reflects the effect that economies in scale and incentives are having in China. They are now manufacturing more EVs than the rest of the world combined. how about a Renault City K-ZE? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_City_K-ZE This page says Optional equipment includes an infotainment system with an 8-inch touchscreen, a backup camera and manual air conditioning. Is "manual air conditioning" what used to be called hand-cranked windows? :-) On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], "Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?" I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question. -- Charles Babbage I loved the quote. Thanks for my laugh of the day. :-) Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: Elon Musk promised us a $30k Tesla. He didn't deliver one... Get that bloody Model 3 down to the price it was supposed to be, $30k. Then introduce a couple of cheap and cheerful little basic hatchbacks the size of, say, a VW Up and a Peugeot 208. Price them around $15-20k and $20-25k... THOSE are the EVs that will change the world - EVs that almost anyone can afford. Not big, bloated, heavy, gimmick-laden expensive luxury EVs for a tiny wealthy minority. Things take time, David. Maybe Tesla will get there. Maybe not. If he's in it for fast money, then building luxury cars is the way to go. Charge all the market will bear. If he's in it for the long term, then he will make a car that "everyone" can afford. After all, there are a lot more "everyones" :-) This is what Henry Ford, Steve Jobs, Clive Sinclair, Nikola Tesla, and many other idealistic innovators chose to do. They nearly went broke in the short run; but their big ideas and vision paid off handsomely and improved the world in the long run. I'm sure Musk knows this. Maybe he's a Robin Hood at heart, and is only robbing the rich now to build a company that can give to the poor later. Or maybe he's just another P.T. Barnum; a showman and businessman, out for all he can get from a gullible market. Time will tell. Lee Hart -- If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: - something to do - something to look forward to - someone to love - someone to take good care of - and misbehave, just a little -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
Supposedly you can get a Chevy Bolt in some places for around $24K right now. Even though it's 'only' rated for 238 miles, if you keep the speed below 55mph, are frugal with the heating/cooling, and don't climb a lot of steep hills, you can squeeze out around 300 miles. July 9, 2020 7:34 PM, "Michael Ross via EV" wrote: > Yes, I can't justify $40k for a car. That is just crazy to me. I am > driving Scion xB with 250k+ miles on it that I paid $11.9k for with 9K > miles on it. That is the kind of value I need for me to retire and be > financially secure. Taking a loan out for $40k is not going to happen. > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Solar powered vehicle panel requirements.
I commonly get much better range. My indicator of accumulated data says 4.9 miles per kwh. Your mileage may vary. Lawrence Rhodes On Friday, July 10, 2020, 9:50:10 AM PDT, Tom Mandera wrote: Assuming the 24kwh battery Leaf goes 80 miles, that's 3.3 miles / kwh or 0.3kwh/mile or 300wh / mile. 80miles / 24kwh = 3.3 miles /kw or 1/3.3 kwh per mile. Assuming a linear consumption (which is wrong - ignoring increased drag at speed, but convenient) that means at 55mph, traveling 1 hour, we need 16.5kwh of juice. or 16,500w of solar to equal the consumption. So the 12kw figure was on the low side, even assuming a linear consumption. Unless I fouled up the math again. :) On 7/10/20 8:07 AM, paul dove wrote: That math seems wrong to me. 3200 Wh at 25Wh/m = 12.8 miles not 1 mile. On Friday, July 10, 2020, 8:22:02 AM CDT, Tom Mandera via EV wrote: There are 400w panels out that are roughly 7'x3.5' So a rather reasonable 7'x7' trailer could produce 800w, which is a good amount of power - but not nearly enough. Assuming they're mounted flat, that's 800w at high noon, and less at every other part of the day. We could expect something like 3.2kwh / day of production, or roughly a 1 mile extension in range. To get the 12kw needed, we need at least 15 times that, or 105' long trailer, 7' wide. Then we could drive continuously at around the noon hour for around an hour, on a good sunny day. Sadly, as you said, it's a math problem.. On 7/10/20 12:21 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > The math problem here is consumption over time. A solar racer with a 5 > passenger capacity 850 pound weight with a coefficient of drag of .16 > rolling on moped wheels with a 1.5kw panel and 15kw battery can attain 45mph > continuously without using battery power. A Nissan Leaf going 55mph > achieving 5 miles per kwh would(if I got my math right) need 12kw > continuously to keep that speed in full sunlight. Of course the battery is > a buffer that will allow you to do faster speeds and climb hills. I suspect > some sort of Pop tent trailer might be a good combination for the Cyber > Truck. 450.5 sq. ft. is the maximum size of a trailer. A pop tent that size > would be quite a mansion. However that might only produce 5 to 6kw. Enough > to charge and extend but not to run continuously. Weight must be reduced > and coefficient of drag lowered. It's a math problem. Lawrence Rhodes > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/f7c698a9/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/57b161e3/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:53 AM Peter VanDerWal via EV wrote: > > Not if I had a Tesla. But I don't. Has anyone ever driven a Leaf > coast-to-coast? I rather doubt > > it... it would take a month! > > It wouldn't surprise me. I seem to remember someone driving a converted > VW microbus coast-to-coast 30-40 years ago, and it had far less than 100 > miles range. > ___ > > > Of course you could drive on locally produced electrons from Alaska to Agentina (sunshine). Who needs a plug? https://www.routedelsol.com/ Phil H. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/c2264c2c/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Long Range EVs, hybrids trade offs $18k (Coron Discount)
I leased my first Leaf in 2012. Turned it in. Paid $180 a month.$3200 down. I purchased my first Leaf a 2013 with 2,600 miles on it for $14,000.00. Nissan qualified pre-owned. 0% interest. $258 a month for 5 years. I leased my second Leaf(third Leaf) for 216 dollars and a residual of 9,500 dollars. The first Leaf is water under the bridge but the last two I am keeping and they both totalled about $28k. If you shop around and look for deals and have some luck (My third Leaf was bought the month the Bolt came out and Nissan dealers were scared.) you may find a reasonable deal. Lawrence Rhodes -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20200710/66b1af24/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4
That’s nuts. Batteries are still the barrier. You can’t even convert one with that much range for that price Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 10, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote: > > EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: >> Elon Musk promised us a $30k Tesla. He didn't deliver one... >> >> Get that bloody Model 3 down to the price it was supposed to be, $30k. Then >> introduce a couple of cheap and cheerful little basic hatchbacks the size >> of, say, a VW Up and a Peugeot 208. Price them around $15-20k and $20-25k... >> >> THOSE are the EVs that will change the world - EVs that almost anyone can >> afford. Not big, bloated, heavy, gimmick-laden expensive luxury EVs for a >> tiny wealthy minority. > > Things take time, David. Maybe Tesla will get there. Maybe not. > > If he's in it for fast money, then building luxury cars is the way to go. > Charge all the market will bear. > > If he's in it for the long term, then he will make a car that "everyone" can > afford. After all, there are a lot more "everyones" :-) This is what Henry > Ford, Steve Jobs, Clive Sinclair, Nikola Tesla, and many other idealistic > innovators chose to do. They nearly went broke in the short run; but their > big ideas and vision paid off handsomely and improved the world in the long > run. > > I'm sure Musk knows this. Maybe he's a Robin Hood at heart, and is only > robbing the rich now to build a company that can give to the poor later. Or > maybe he's just another P.T. Barnum; a showman and businessman, out for all > he can get from a gullible market. Time will tell. > > Lee Hart > > -- > If happiness is on your mind, here's a daily list to find: > - something to do > - something to look forward to > - someone to love > - someone to take good care of > - and misbehave, just a little > -- > Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html > INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub ARCHIVE: http://www.evdl.org/archive/index.html INFO: http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
