RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Hurst, Paul
Rick,

KVS vault can archive the Journal automatically as it is placed in there, so
you don't build a massive Journal email size. Then use KVS with its indexing
feature to fully searchable emails (including inside attachments).

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours


-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 January 2003 00:32
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


Google is your friend...  Search phrases like 'SEC Compiant email' aren't
that hard to conjure.

OK, I'll play nice:

http://www.tumbleweed.com/en/industries/financial_services/

http://www.optical.com/

You could probably configure http://www.ixos.com or http://www.kvault.com to
meet the needs as well.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 19:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


That was also discussed as a solution but here is why we said no to that
one:

In one scenario the SEC requested all e-mails from 7 individuals relating to
insider trading from a specific period of 7 days.  Now if we utilized the
Back-up scenario we would have had to do 3 different restores (because the
users were spread across 3 different sites and then exmerge the data into 7
different PST'sbut what if we have some smart users here and not only
did they delete the message but the removed it from the deleted items
retention?  A backup won't catch that.Not so far fetched.  The Journal
is mutch easier to manage from our perspective its just difficult to search.

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: The SEC is killing me.


Just have a 90-day backup tape retention policy.

- Original Message -
From: Clemens, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: The SEC is killing me.


 Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
 100% Active Directory
 100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

 Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to
access
 every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to
 satisfy certain SEC requirements.

 The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an
Exchange
 5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the
 mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a
very
 good job searching it.

 So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With
 50 messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so 
 good.

 I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to
satisfy
 SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a
 better
way?
 Or Better Software?

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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Hurst, Paul
Craig,

You remembered Smartware and Smartware II (or was that Smartware plus a
bit), like that product as it was one of the first. Earned me £££'s doing
macros work. Loved it for that.

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours


-Original Message-
From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 January 2003 01:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


This will not help you with your SEC problem.  It's just a musing and is
merely to suggest that no audit technique is fool proof.  I think that any
system that you can design, a clever person can get around.

Let me suggest a scenario from back in the days when I was working on virus
delivery techniques and counter measures.  The key to this particular
almost impossible to detect nefarious message delivery technique would be
to send a message to an external mailbox that had a client running against
it with in-box rules enabled.  The client could parse the message and
execute a script or even an external program that would generate another
message, which could be sent to any smtp address (or in the case of a virus,
do nefarious things on  its own local network).  So let's say I send a one
word message to my home mailbox that says hi.  That could trigger a script
that sends a message to tell someone to sell.  Another script triggered by
dinner tonight could trigger a script that generates the buy message.
You get the idea.  The offending message itself can be as simple or complex
but apparently harmless cipher that you could imagine.  It could even be
embedded in a pattern that looks like I'm sending a daily (or better yet,
apparently random and occasional) note commenting on tonight's menu, with an
if message text contains filter at the other end.  A hindered word note
that contained the phrase rare steak could be the trigger.  The to
address is not that of the ultimate recipient, and the instruction in a form
that you could detect is beyond the reach of your archives and searches.
There reality is, that you simply cannot filter for this sort of thing in
your archives.  You can find someone that is being stupid or careless, but
not someone that is cunning and deliberate.

The extent to which variations on this technique can be used is frightening.
Consider what a batch file on a DOS machine could do, in terms of generating
an Assembly language program by having VB Script simply write stings from an
Excel or Word document to a text file.  The VB Script does not even have to
travel with the Office document, but can simply be running on the machine on
the receiving end.  Such a trigger can be hidden behind layer upon layer of
isolating techniques.  The initial trigger instruction does not have to be
sent via SMTP.  A FAX to something like a SatisFAXtion modem or a call to an
IVR system listening for a specific DMTF sequence that would not be recorded
by your phone system can do it.  A web site can do it.  Web mail to your
home smtp address can do it.  A cellular call . . .  You get the idea.
Every link will leave some tracks, but those tracks can be incomplete and
look very harmless.

Back in the 80's before Microsoft Office became the dominant office suite,
there was a product called Smartware by a small company in Lenexa, Kansas
that was later purchased by Informix and destroyed.  Smartware had the
equivalent of VBA in all of its modules, and it had a communications module.
The second version of the package even had PEEK and POKE instructions.
Imagine what you could do with that today in and administrative security
context on a Win2K machine in an Internet world.  

Nedry (a transposition of nerdy) is still out there.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: The SEC is killing me.


There are a number of archival solutions out there. Some of them are listed
at www.mail-resources.com in addition to the ones Gary mentioned. Contact me
offline, I might have some other ideas.

On 1/15/03 17:05, Clemens, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3 
100% Active Directory 
100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4 

Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to access every 
e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to 
satisfy certain SEC requirements.  

The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an Exchange

5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the 
mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a very good job 
searching it. 

So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 50 messages so 
far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so good. 

I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to satisfy SEC 
requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a better way?

Or Better Software?  

RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections

2003-01-16 Thread Andrea Coppini
Disclaimer.. I'm working on it... I can't stand it either.

... I want to block unencrypted because I don't want unencrypted Outlook
connections going over the internet..  Before you propose a VPN... it
breaks connections and is very unstable.. We have it and use it, but
want to drop it.



-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: January 15, 2003 5:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections


Why would you want to? And if you did, would you then be able to use a
shorter sig/disclaimer?

On 1/15/03 5:20, Andrea Coppini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi, 

I just found out how to encrypt Outlook  Exchange communication (ye I 
know it's simple, but I just couldn't see the checkbox...I guess it's 
GUI Dyslexia or something) 

Now I want to block all UNENCRYPTED communication, so Outlook MUST be 
set to encrypt, otherwise it won't connect. 

Andrea Coppini 
+356 79 ANDREA (263732)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

EMPOWER PEOPLE - THE WORLD IN YOUR HAND 

iWG (iWORLD GROUP) is a global e-mobile company creating, building and 
growing new businesses.  iWG founders are pioneers in creating 
multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and 
the US. 

The Global Partners include the shareholders Bank of America, Deutsche 
Bank, Hikari Tsushin, McCaw, PaineWebber/UBS, The Dolphins' Trust, 
Perikles Trust and the iAA Advisory Network. 

www.iWG.info 

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RE: Virus activity

2003-01-16 Thread Busby, Jacob
 Is anyone else out there noticing a higher level of virus activity in
 the last week or so?  Our gateway scanner has been catching an
 increasing number of viruses over the last week.  I am also 
 seeing a few
 that we haven't seen in quite a while.  I am not concerned, 
 just curious
 if others have noticed this also.
 
 -Ryan

Start of year would make a good time release a new virus. People get back from the 
Christmas holidays and it can take a couple of days to get back in the swing in 
things. Also be on the look out for virii triggered on specific dates (eg. a 
Valentines Day virus) It's sad fact of life that some people have nothing better to do 
than write malicious code.

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(Very) Delayed delivery

2003-01-16 Thread Jeffrey Dubyn
I just received an email from a customer saying she was worried about
emails not arriving.  This was sent on 12/6 and just arrived today -
1/16. 

They have an Exchange 2000 SP3 box forwarding to a Trend InterScan Virus
Wall which is using DNS to send emails.  I know both boxes have the
correct time on them so I'm stumped how this message could have bounced
around so long.

Any ideas?


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Re: (Very) Delayed delivery

2003-01-16 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
Information in the headers..

If my memory serves me right, June was the time of one of the large virus 
outbreaks no? if so then the messages might have been sitting at someones 
queueu (AV).

A problem I've seen on a Exchange box was that the DNS could not resolve 
the domain and the message stayed in the queue until the connection was up 
and the domain was resolved.. Since their connection wasn't very good they 
had this quite often.

IF your customer still has this problem you may want to use message 
tracking and uw SMTP loggings to gather more information.



--B.

At 07:03 16-01-2003 -0500, you wrote:
I just received an email from a customer saying she was worried about
emails not arriving.  This was sent on 12/6 and just arrived today -
1/16.

They have an Exchange 2000 SP3 box forwarding to a Trend InterScan Virus
Wall which is using DNS to send emails.  I know both boxes have the
correct time on them so I'm stumped how this message could have bounced
around so long.

Any ideas?



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RE: Ex 5.5 Directory Import help

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Seielstad
Certain multivalued fields can also have individual entries removed, but its
tricky to get the syntax correct. 

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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Parrnelli GS11 Ben T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:47 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Ex 5.5 Directory Import help
 
 
 OK, thanks for elaborating.
 
 
 Ben Parrnelli
 Network Administrator
 Comm  Data Directorate
 MAGTF Training Command
 29 Palms, CA 92278
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:37 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Ex 5.5 Directory Import help
 
 
 Default behavior is to append multivalued fields, not 
 overwrite. So ~DEL is
 necessary to clear it out first.
 
 --
 Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 Atlanta, GA
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Parrnelli GS11 Ben T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 2:27 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Ex 5.5 Directory Import help
  
  
  Why would he not be able to import the csv with the required 
  addresses only
  or the field empty without using ~DEL?
  
  I've done this several times when removing other addresses 
  and other fields
  and have had a problem.  Yet.
  
  Thanks.
  
  
  Ben Parrnelli
  Network Administrator
  Comm  Data Directorate
  MAGTF Training Command
  29 Palms, CA 92278
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:23 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Ex 5.5 Directory Import help
  
  
  There is no way to delete just the SMTP addresses.  What you 
  have to do
  is export all the addresses first and massage the data to delete the
  SMTP addresses, then import it back.  You'll need two lines for each
  object in the import file.  The first will have ~DEL (without the
  quotes) in the E-Mail Addresses and Secondary-Proxy-Addresses
  attributes, then the second line adds back all the addresses 
  except the
  SMTP addresses.
  
  However, I'm not sure all of this is really what you want.
  
  Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
  Technical Consultant
  hp Services
  There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral 
  problems.
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of 
  Lloyd, D (Dave)
  Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 8:50 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Ex 5.5 Directory Import help
  
  
  Hi all,
  
  With Exchange 5.5 SP4, what is the method of removing all 
  SMTP addresses
  in bulk - ie using Directory Import? I've been given a csv by our HO
  with the entry ~DELSMTP: but all it gives me is errors on 
 import.  A
  google search seems to bring me stuff in foreign languages.
  
  The reason behing this request is that we are in the middle 
  of migrating
  to E2K.  The dist lists have been created and populated in 
 2K already.
  Now we are ready to hide the E55 ones and replicate the 2K 
  ones back as
  custom recipients.  I think we need to remove the SMTP 
  address in order
  to have it in the custom recipient pointing to 2K. Since HO 
 don't wake
  up for another few hours I hoped to get insight here.
  
  (And yes, this is in a lab first.)
  
  Thanks
  
  Dave
  
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RE: Backup onto LTO and compression question.

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Seielstad
Tricky question.

I run DLT7000s, which are 35/70GB drives. In general, I get enough
compression to hit about 60-62GB on the tape, which works out to be around
1.7:1 compression. YMMV

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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Pfefferkorn, Pete (PFEFFEPE) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:41 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Backup onto LTO and compression question.
 
 
 This might be somewhat of a vague question.  We current have a
 DellPowervault LTO 110T backup tape drive on our primary 
 Exchange Server.
 It will back up 100 Gig non-compressed or 200 Gig compressed. 
  Does anyone
 know the maximum size an Exchange DB can be if you use 
 compression on the
 tape?  I'm not sure how well the Exchange DB will compress.
 
 Pete Pfefferkorn
 Senior Systems Engineer/Mail Administrator
 University of Cincinnati
 51 Goodman Street
 Cincinnati, OH  45221
 Phone - (513) 556-9076
 Fax - (513) 556-2042
 
 
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RE: IMSS SMTP Server Question

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Seielstad
From the previous use of reverse DNS lookups, I think its safe to say that
about 25% of companies, including some who should know better, have
misconfigured DNS entries. We found it to be more trouble than it saved -
the only spam you'll consistently stop with it is that which originates from
dial up connections and probably some DSL/Cable Modem pools, but not always.

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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:13 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: IMSS SMTP Server Question
 
 
 IMSS which is the next version of Trend Micro's Virus Wall 
 provides the
 ability to do reverse DNS lookups.  It is my understanding 
 that this will
 help reduce SPAM from bogus addresses but will require more 
 CPU resources to
 accomplish.  
 
 My question is is anyone else using Reverse DNS Lookup's?  
 And what happens
 when a companies SMTP server is NAT'd behind a firewall and 
 port 25 is just
 passed on to the internal SMTP server?  
 
 The problem being that their External MX record will point to 
 the Firewall
 but the SMTP packet will reflect the actual SMTP server name
 internally..When My SMTP server tries to reverse DNS 
 lookup on itit
 will not be able to resolve and My company will not be able 
 to send e-mail
 back and forth with this company.
 
 Am I stating what happens correctly?
 
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RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Seielstad
If the server is Win2k, what about using IPSec connections to the server?

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Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Andrea Coppini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:00 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections
 
 
 Disclaimer.. I'm working on it... I can't stand it either.
 
 ... I want to block unencrypted because I don't want 
 unencrypted Outlook
 connections going over the internet..  Before you propose a VPN... it
 breaks connections and is very unstable.. We have it and use it, but
 want to drop it.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: January 15, 2003 5:21 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections
 
 
 Why would you want to? And if you did, would you then be able to use a
 shorter sig/disclaimer?
 
 On 1/15/03 5:20, Andrea Coppini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi, 
 
 I just found out how to encrypt Outlook  Exchange 
 communication (ye I 
 know it's simple, but I just couldn't see the checkbox...I guess it's 
 GUI Dyslexia or something) 
 
 Now I want to block all UNENCRYPTED communication, so Outlook MUST be 
 set to encrypt, otherwise it won't connect. 
 
 Andrea Coppini 
 +356 79 ANDREA (263732)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
 EMPOWER PEOPLE - THE WORLD IN YOUR HAND 
 
 iWG (iWORLD GROUP) is a global e-mobile company creating, 
 building and 
 growing new businesses.  iWG founders are pioneers in creating 
 multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in 
 Europe, Asia and 
 the US. 
 
 The Global Partners include the shareholders Bank of America, 
 Deutsche 
 Bank, Hikari Tsushin, McCaw, PaineWebber/UBS, The Dolphins' Trust, 
 Perikles Trust and the iAA Advisory Network. 
 
www.iWG.info 

www.countryprofiler.com/iWG 

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RE: Virus activity

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Seielstad
Actaully, apparently December 25th and January 1 were great times to release
viruses. At least one of the largest AV vendors sent an email to all their
customers telling them flat out that their virus labs would be outright
closed on those days.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Busby, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:37 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Virus activity
 
 
  Is anyone else out there noticing a higher level of virus 
 activity in
  the last week or so?  Our gateway scanner has been catching an
  increasing number of viruses over the last week.  I am also 
  seeing a few
  that we haven't seen in quite a while.  I am not concerned, 
  just curious
  if others have noticed this also.
  
  -Ryan
 
 Start of year would make a good time release a new virus. 
 People get back from the Christmas holidays and it can take a 
 couple of days to get back in the swing in things. Also be on 
 the look out for virii triggered on specific dates (eg. a 
 Valentines Day virus) It's sad fact of life that some people 
 have nothing better to do than write malicious code.
 
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RE: (Very) Delayed delivery

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Seielstad
You're reading it as European style dates, but he wrote them American style:
Dec 16 and Jan 6

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Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:16 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: (Very) Delayed delivery
 
 
 Information in the headers..
 
 If my memory serves me right, June was the time of one of the 
 large virus 
 outbreaks no? if so then the messages might have been sitting 
 at someones 
 queueu (AV).
 
 A problem I've seen on a Exchange box was that the DNS could 
 not resolve 
 the domain and the message stayed in the queue until the 
 connection was up 
 and the domain was resolved.. Since their connection wasn't 
 very good they 
 had this quite often.
 
 IF your customer still has this problem you may want to use message 
 tracking and uw SMTP loggings to gather more information.
 
 
 
 --B.
 
 At 07:03 16-01-2003 -0500, you wrote:
 I just received an email from a customer saying she was worried about
 emails not arriving.  This was sent on 12/6 and just arrived today -
 1/16.
 
 They have an Exchange 2000 SP3 box forwarding to a Trend 
 InterScan Virus
 Wall which is using DNS to send emails.  I know both boxes have the
 correct time on them so I'm stumped how this message could 
 have bounced
 around so long.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 
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RE: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High

2003-01-16 Thread Woodruff, Michael
OK, I thought that might have been the issue, but I'm now at 55.  I
don't think our users use this option much so I am kind of curious to
why its still showing a buildup.  What other options do I have to find
out what is in this queue?

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High


I thought that might be it, but I'm a bit sluggish this morning (all
that perfmon testing starts to run together after a while as well).

On 1/13/03 11:48, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Why yes it does   So I guess I am looking at deferred messages then.

Thanks Chris.  

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:32 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High 


My mind is running 2 cups of coffee short this morning, but if you send 
a message with a deferred delivery time, does the queue increase to 46? 

On 1/13/03 10:31, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Exchange 2k SP3... 

I was just looking at Perfmon and noticed the queue is steady at 45 and 
has remained there.  I don't have any other high traffic going on right 
now.  All other queues are low.  Any idea why it is high?  Thanks. 



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RE: Exchange AS/400

2003-01-16 Thread Brett Wesoloski
I was also wrong in that this is exchange 2000.

That would be whom I am sending it to. 

For example if I were sending it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] when they get it in the to 
address it has [EMAIL PROTECTED]

When sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED] it sends fine.  But when someone reply to 
the e-mail address it has [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wow even looking at it more it has a underscore between the name when it should be a 
period.

Here is the example of the e-mail I am getting.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Should be 
--Original Message---
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sorry if I was confusing.

TIA,
Brett




-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:59 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange  AS/400


So where's lakeco.com?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brett Wesoloski
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:51 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange  AS/400


SMTP [EMAIL PROTECTED]

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:14 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Exchange  AS/400


What do your recipient policies say?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brett Wesoloski
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:17 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange  AS/400


Exchange 5.5

A couple quick questions.

I am having a problem with my reply to address.  It seems to be putting
.exchange after everyone's e-mail address.

For example:
my e-mail address should be [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I am getting
for a reply to address [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The send to address are very strange when you get them as well.  For
example If I were sending an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the to
address would have [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The other question I have is if it is possible to setup exchange to act
as a remote e-mail server. For example, I want to e-mail from the
AS/400, it has its own SMTP service, but you don't know if the mail has
been rejected or not. I want to see if I can use exchange someway to
help out. There is not AS/400 version of Outlook and I can't find any
information on this.

Any thoughts on either of these?

TIA,
Brett

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Re: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Andy David
Ahh, the endless quest for compliance.
We are looking at 3 products :  Tumbleweed's Secure Archive, KVS, and EAS.
Of the three, I like KVS the best for a number of reasons: ease of use, very
powerful features, it has a very nice interface - perfect for the compliance
office and the reps have been great.  However, we are using Tumbleweed's
Secure Mail feature now for content filtering etc, so it will probably wind
up being cheaper and easier for us to simply plug in the Secure Archive
component.
Remember also that compliance means that all the archiving must be stored on
non-writable, i.e.. optical media, so simply keeping copies of emails on a
hard drive is probably not enough. Your lawyers will have to make that call
whether that meets the requirements.
All together, the archiving solutions run anywhere from 20-40K which
typically includes everything: installation, training, server, software
etc...

P.S. Are you only required to keep messages for 90 days? That seems a bit
short.


- Original Message -
From: Clemens, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: The SEC is killing me.


 Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
 100% Active Directory
 100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

 Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to
access
 every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to
 satisfy certain SEC requirements.

 The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an
Exchange
 5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the
 mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a
very
 good job searching it.

 So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 50
 messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so good.

 I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to
satisfy
 SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a better
way?
 Or Better Software?

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RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections

2003-01-16 Thread Andrea Coppini
Too complex to configure and mantain.

-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: January 16, 2003 1:30 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections


If the server is Win2k, what about using IPSec connections to the
server?

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Andrea Coppini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:00 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections
 
 
 Disclaimer.. I'm working on it... I can't stand it either.
 
 ... I want to block unencrypted because I don't want
 unencrypted Outlook
 connections going over the internet..  Before you propose a VPN... it
 breaks connections and is very unstable.. We have it and use it, but
 want to drop it.
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: January 15, 2003 5:21 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections
 
 
 Why would you want to? And if you did, would you then be able to use a

 shorter sig/disclaimer?
 
 On 1/15/03 5:20, Andrea Coppini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I just found out how to encrypt Outlook  Exchange
 communication (ye I 
 know it's simple, but I just couldn't see the checkbox...I guess it's 
 GUI Dyslexia or something) 
 
 Now I want to block all UNENCRYPTED communication, so Outlook MUST be
 set to encrypt, otherwise it won't connect. 
 
 Andrea Coppini
 +356 79 ANDREA (263732)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 EMPOWER PEOPLE - THE WORLD IN YOUR HAND
 
 iWG (iWORLD GROUP) is a global e-mobile company creating,
 building and 
 growing new businesses.  iWG founders are pioneers in creating 
 multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in 
 Europe, Asia and 
 the US. 
 
 The Global Partners include the shareholders Bank of America,
 Deutsche 
 Bank, Hikari Tsushin, McCaw, PaineWebber/UBS, The Dolphins' Trust, 
 Perikles Trust and the iAA Advisory Network. 
 
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RE: (Very) Delayed delivery

2003-01-16 Thread B. van Ouwerkerk
Hmmm right then it's still way to long, he should still consider to use 
the loggings..



--B.


At 07:32 16-01-2003 -0500, you wrote:
You're reading it as European style dates, but he wrote them American style:
Dec 16 and Jan 6

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: B. van Ouwerkerk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:16 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: (Very) Delayed delivery


 Information in the headers..

 If my memory serves me right, June was the time of one of the
 large virus
 outbreaks no? if so then the messages might have been sitting
 at someones
 queueu (AV).

 A problem I've seen on a Exchange box was that the DNS could
 not resolve
 the domain and the message stayed in the queue until the
 connection was up
 and the domain was resolved.. Since their connection wasn't
 very good they
 had this quite often.

 IF your customer still has this problem you may want to use message
 tracking and uw SMTP loggings to gather more information.



 --B.

 At 07:03 16-01-2003 -0500, you wrote:
 I just received an email from a customer saying she was worried about
 emails not arriving.  This was sent on 12/6 and just arrived today -
 1/16.
 
 They have an Exchange 2000 SP3 box forwarding to a Trend
 InterScan Virus
 Wall which is using DNS to send emails.  I know both boxes have the
 correct time on them so I'm stumped how this message could
 have bounced
 around so long.
 
 Any ideas?


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RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Seielstad
Its one setting on the server, configurable via group policy. The only
caveat is that all clients need to be Win2k or greater?



--
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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Andrea Coppini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:03 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections
 
 
 Too complex to configure and mantain.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: January 16, 2003 1:30 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections
 
 
 If the server is Win2k, what about using IPSec connections to the
 server?
 
 --
 Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
 Sr. Systems Administrator
 Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
 Atlanta, GA
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Andrea Coppini [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:00 AM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections
  
  
  Disclaimer.. I'm working on it... I can't stand it either.
  
  ... I want to block unencrypted because I don't want
  unencrypted Outlook
  connections going over the internet..  Before you propose a 
 VPN... it
  breaks connections and is very unstable.. We have it and use it, but
  want to drop it.
  
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: January 15, 2003 5:21 PM
  To: Exchange Discussions
  Subject: Re: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections
  
  
  Why would you want to? And if you did, would you then be 
 able to use a
 
  shorter sig/disclaimer?
  
  On 1/15/03 5:20, Andrea Coppini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
  Hi,
  
  I just found out how to encrypt Outlook  Exchange
  communication (ye I 
  know it's simple, but I just couldn't see the checkbox...I 
 guess it's 
  GUI Dyslexia or something) 
  
  Now I want to block all UNENCRYPTED communication, so 
 Outlook MUST be
  set to encrypt, otherwise it won't connect. 
  
  Andrea Coppini
  +356 79 ANDREA (263732)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
  EMPOWER PEOPLE - THE WORLD IN YOUR HAND
  
  iWG (iWORLD GROUP) is a global e-mobile company creating,
  building and 
  growing new businesses.  iWG founders are pioneers in creating 
  multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in 
  Europe, Asia and 
  the US. 
  
  The Global Partners include the shareholders Bank of America,
  Deutsche 
  Bank, Hikari Tsushin, McCaw, PaineWebber/UBS, The Dolphins' Trust, 
  Perikles Trust and the iAA Advisory Network. 
  
 www.iWG.info 
 
 www.countryprofiler.com/iWG 
 
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Re: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections

2003-01-16 Thread Mike Lagase
Another alternative you could use is with ISA server and the new feature
pack they have out which will do exactly what you want. See
http://www.microsoft.com/isaserver/featurepack1/email.asp for more info.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: Andrea Coppini [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:59 AM
Subject: RE: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections


Disclaimer.. I'm working on it... I can't stand it either.

... I want to block unencrypted because I don't want unencrypted Outlook
connections going over the internet..  Before you propose a VPN... it
breaks connections and is very unstable.. We have it and use it, but
want to drop it.



-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: January 15, 2003 5:21 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections


Why would you want to? And if you did, would you then be able to use a
shorter sig/disclaimer?

On 1/15/03 5:20, Andrea Coppini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hi,

I just found out how to encrypt Outlook  Exchange communication (ye I
know it's simple, but I just couldn't see the checkbox...I guess it's
GUI Dyslexia or something)

Now I want to block all UNENCRYPTED communication, so Outlook MUST be
set to encrypt, otherwise it won't connect.

Andrea Coppini
+356 79 ANDREA (263732)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

EMPOWER PEOPLE - THE WORLD IN YOUR HAND

iWG (iWORLD GROUP) is a global e-mobile company creating, building and
growing new businesses.  iWG founders are pioneers in creating
multi-billion dollar mobile and Internet businesses in Europe, Asia and
the US.

The Global Partners include the shareholders Bank of America, Deutsche
Bank, Hikari Tsushin, McCaw, PaineWebber/UBS, The Dolphins' Trust,
Perikles Trust and the iAA Advisory Network.

www.iWG.info

www.countryprofiler.com/iWG

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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Hansen, Eric
I don't have any SEC requirements, here its all HIPPA.  And their big thing
so far is separation of duties and checks and balances.  Pretty soon if
I need to create a mailbox I'm going to need permission from the security
group.  :(

-Original Message-
From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: The SEC is killing me.

Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
100% Active Directory
100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to access
every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to
satisfy certain SEC requirements.  

The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an Exchange
5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the
mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a very
good job searching it.

So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 50
messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so good.

I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to satisfy
SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a better way?
Or Better Software?  

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Exchange 2000

2003-01-16 Thread thomas . wiedemann
Hello Group,

two errors/questions about a exchange 2000 cluster:

1) Owa is only possible to connect to one of the two nodes using the
netbios name. http:\\nodeA\exchange or http:\\nodeB\exchange
How to connect owa using the netbios name of the shared cluster ressource?
http:\\cluster\exchange??

2) Logoff of the mailbox terminates with an error:
Http: 404 page not found for http:\\nodeA\exchange\logoff.asp

Any advise for this questions?

Thom

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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Chinnery, Paul
Where are you getting the separation of duties part, Eric?  I haven't seen anything 
like that.  Although there's enough there (in HIPAA) that is to turn my hair greyer 
than it already is.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


I don't have any SEC requirements, here its all HIPPA.  And their big thing
so far is separation of duties and checks and balances.  Pretty soon if
I need to create a mailbox I'm going to need permission from the security
group.  :(

-Original Message-
From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: The SEC is killing me.

Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
100% Active Directory
100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to access
every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to
satisfy certain SEC requirements.  

The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an Exchange
5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the
mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a very
good job searching it.

So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 50
messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so good.

I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to satisfy
SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a better way?
Or Better Software?  

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Exchange 5.5 sp3, OWA IIS5 and windows 2000

2003-01-16 Thread Bob Petra
Hello,

I'm experiencing problems with OWA. First some techincal specs.

- IIS 5
- Exchange 5.5 SP3
- Exchange runs on different NT4 server
- IIS5 and OWA runs on Windows 2000 server
- OWA SP3 language packs installed (DUT and USA)

When starting OWA from browser (IE5.5 and IE6) i get the message below.
I have experienced wirh the NTFS rights but this is not the problem (you
should get another message then).


**
The page cannot be displayed 
There is a problem with the page you are trying to reach and it cannot be
displayed.

Please try the following:

Open the 10.1.1.40 home page, and then look for links to the information
you want.
Click the  Refresh button, or try again later.

Click  Search to look for information on the Internet. 
You can also see a list of related sites. 




HTTP 500 - Internal server error 
Internet Explorer  
**

Someone has an idea/



regards,


Bob Petra

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OWA not working properly behind ISA Server

2003-01-16 Thread Michael Anderson
Hello,

This is a very weird problem.  Presently, our OWA Server is being published
behind our ISA Firewall Server - and it works like a charm.  I just got more
IP addresses from my provider, and OWA doesn't come up all the way any
longer.  This is very confusing.

What makes this problem more complex, as this topic has a lot of crossover
of products.  I also posted this problem on the ISA Server list that I
belong to.  I am not getting much of a response - and that could be, that
nobody knows how to quite answer it.  They are probably thinking it's more
of an Exchange OWA issue - but I think most of it has to do with ISA Server.

All the same publishing rules still apply, and I also configured the main
ISA Server to use dedicated listeners for the Web stuff which didn't work,
so then I tried using All IP's for the listeners.  Still, the same result.
I know this may sound like gibberish for most of you, but surely there must
be some people on this list, that are publishing their Exchange Servers
behind an ISA box.

I am just running out of options here, and I just don't understand how
adding IP's can cause something like this to happen:  The page loads fine -
still prompts for the Users Name, Password and Domain, then allows them to
proceed further, then loads  populates the treeview, then it shows all the
folders, and then just stops - with it just showing loading... in the
window pane on the right side of screen.  Everything else, is there - like
normal - it just doesn't show the message list.

ALSO, the web page generates an error.  When you double-click the
Exclamation Point Icon in the lower left-hand corner of the browser window,
you get the following error:

Problems with this web page might prevent it from ... blah blah...

And the Specific Error Code is:

Line: 1713
Char: 3
Error: Unknown name
Code: 0
URL: http://outlook.anderson.net/exchweb/controls/ctrl_View20.htc

Could somebody let me know, if they have seen this before - and what the fix

may be?

I am running Windows 2000 Server SP3, Exchange 2000 SP3 and ISA Server SP1.
Please help! -

Thanks,

Mike



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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Schwartz, Jim
That would depend on who the contact is with. If you are talking about SEC
Rule 240.17a-4 then you may need to retain conversations. The real
difference to me is that e-mail is legally considered a document and that IM
is no different from a telephone conversation. Should we wire tap all the
phones and record them for violations?

Doing a google search under SEC Rule 240.17a-4 will pop up a lot of
information on the subject.

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: The SEC is killing me.


I asked the lawyers here that same question and havent gotten a response yet
if it is required. If it isnt now, I imagine it will be very soon.

- Original Message -
From: Ed Crowley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


 What are you doing about instant messaging?  Don't you have to keep 
 all IM transactions as well?

 Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
 Technical Consultant
 hp Services
 There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral 
 problems.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dupler, Craig
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:34 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


 This will not help you with your SEC problem.  It's just a musing and 
 is merely to suggest that no audit technique is fool proof.  I think 
 that any system that you can design, a clever person can get around.

 Let me suggest a scenario from back in the days when I was working on 
 virus delivery techniques and counter measures.  The key to this 
 particular almost impossible to detect nefarious message delivery 
 technique would be to send a message to an external mailbox that had a 
 client running against it with in-box rules enabled.  The client could 
 parse the message and execute a script or even an external program 
 that would generate another message, which could be sent to any smtp 
 address (or in the case of a virus, do nefarious things on  its own 
 local network).  So let's say I send a one word message to my home 
 mailbox that says hi.  That could trigger a script that sends a 
 message to tell someone to sell.  Another script triggered by dinner 
 tonight could trigger a script that generates the buy message. You 
 get the idea. The offending message itself can be as simple or complex 
 but apparently harmless cipher that you could imagine.  It could even 
 be embedded in a pattern that looks like I'm sending a daily (or 
 better yet, apparently random and occasional) note commenting on 
 tonight's menu, with an if message text contains filter at the other 
 end.  A hindered word note that contained the phrase rare steak 
 could be the trigger.  The to address is not that of the ultimate 
 recipient, and the instruction in a form that you could detect is 
 beyond the reach of your archives and searches. There reality is, that 
 you simply cannot filter for this sort of thing in your archives.  You 
 can find someone that is being stupid or careless, but not someone 
 that is cunning and deliberate.

 The extent to which variations on this technique can be used is 
 frightening. Consider what a batch file on a DOS machine could do, in 
 terms of generating an Assembly language program by having VB Script 
 simply write stings from an Excel or Word document to a text file.  
 The VB Script does not even have to travel with the Office document, 
 but can simply be running on the machine on the receiving end.  Such a 
 trigger can be hidden behind layer upon layer of isolating techniques.  
 The initial trigger instruction does not have to be sent via SMTP.  A 
 FAX to something like a SatisFAXtion modem or a call to an IVR system 
 listening for a specific DMTF sequence that would not be recorded by 
 your phone system can do it.  A web site can do it.  Web mail to your 
 home smtp address can do it.  A cellular call . . .  You get the idea. 
 Every link will leave some tracks, but those tracks can be incomplete 
 and look very harmless.

 Back in the 80's before Microsoft Office became the dominant office 
 suite, there was a product called Smartware by a small company in 
 Lenexa, Kansas that was later purchased by Informix and destroyed. 
 Smartware had the equivalent of VBA in all of its modules, and it had 
 a communications module. The second version of the package even had 
 PEEK and POKE instructions. Imagine what you could do with that today 
 in and administrative security context on a Win2K machine in an 
 Internet world.


 Nedry (a transposition of nerdy) is still out there.


 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:45 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: The SEC is killing me.


 There are a number of archival solutions out there. 

Re: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
I use VPN all the time and rarely if ever have problems with it dropping...
In fact I'm trying to remember back to the last time I had that problem and
it's been several years or more.  So, dropping it because it's unstable
seems to me to be a issue of implementation rather than technology based on
the information provided. 

Feel free to take a look at your current RPC traffic between Outlook and the
Exchange server without that checkbox marked and get back to me at your
leisure on how easy it is to read. At that point we can discuss the
dichotomy of trying to secure message traffic, while opening ports which
reduce the overall security of your implementation dramatically.


-- 
Chris Scharff, MVP-Exchange
MessageOne

Emergency Messaging System: http://www.messageone.com/EMS.asp
Free Custom OWA Screens:http://www.messageone.com/m1owa/index.asp

On 1/16/03 3:59, Andrea Coppini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Disclaimer.. I'm working on it... I can't stand it either. 

... I want to block unencrypted because I don't want unencrypted Outlook 
connections going over the internet..  Before you propose a VPN... it 
breaks connections and is very unstable.. We have it and use it, but 
want to drop it. 



-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: January 15, 2003 5:21 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: Accept only Encrypted MAPI connections 


Why would you want to? And if you did, would you then be able to use a 
shorter sig/disclaimer? 

On 1/15/03 5:20, Andrea Coppini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Hi, 

I just found out how to encrypt Outlook  Exchange communication (ye I 
know it's simple, but I just couldn't see the checkbox...I guess it's 
GUI Dyslexia or something) 

Now I want to block all UNENCRYPTED communication, so Outlook MUST be 
set to encrypt, otherwise it won't connect. 

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Re: (Very) Delayed delivery

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
Look at the headers of the message.

On 1/16/03 6:03, Jeffrey Dubyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I just received an email from a customer saying she was worried about 
emails not arriving.  This was sent on 12/6 and just arrived today - 
1/16. 

They have an Exchange 2000 SP3 box forwarding to a Trend InterScan Virus 
Wall which is using DNS to send emails.  I know both boxes have the 
correct time on them so I'm stumped how this message could have bounced 
around so long. 

Any ideas? 


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Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
Are users reporting missing or delayed mail? I think PSS might have a tool
or two to enumerate these messages.

On 1/16/03 6:36, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



OK, I thought that might have been the issue, but I'm now at 55.  I 
don't think our users use this option much so I am kind of curious to 
why its still showing a buildup.  What other options do I have to find 
out what is in this queue? 

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:05 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High 


I thought that might be it, but I'm a bit sluggish this morning (all 
that perfmon testing starts to run together after a while as well). 

On 1/13/03 11:48, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Why yes it does   So I guess I am looking at deferred messages then. 

Thanks Chris.  

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:32 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High 


My mind is running 2 cups of coffee short this morning, but if you send 
a message with a deferred delivery time, does the queue increase to 46? 

On 1/13/03 10:31, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Exchange 2k SP3... 

I was just looking at Perfmon and noticed the queue is steady at 45 and 
has remained there.  I don't have any other high traffic going on right 
now.  All other queues are low.  Any idea why it is high?  Thanks. 



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RE: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High

2003-01-16 Thread Woodruff, Michael
No, email is being delivered fine.  I'll follow up on that tool.  Thanks
Chris.

-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:42 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High


Are users reporting missing or delayed mail? I think PSS might have a
tool or two to enumerate these messages.

On 1/16/03 6:36, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



OK, I thought that might have been the issue, but I'm now at 55.  I 
don't think our users use this option much so I am kind of curious to 
why its still showing a buildup.  What other options do I have to find 
out what is in this queue? 

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:05 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High 


I thought that might be it, but I'm a bit sluggish this morning (all 
that perfmon testing starts to run together after a while as well). 

On 1/13/03 11:48, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Why yes it does   So I guess I am looking at deferred messages then.


Thanks Chris.  

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:32 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High 


My mind is running 2 cups of coffee short this morning, but if you send 
a message with a deferred delivery time, does the queue increase to 46? 

On 1/13/03 10:31, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Exchange 2k SP3... 

I was just looking at Perfmon and noticed the queue is steady at 45 and 
has remained there.  I don't have any other high traffic going on right 
now.  All other queues are low.  Any idea why it is high?  Thanks. 



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Re: Exchange AS/400

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
Look at the headers... And have them look at whatever non exchange servers
the message is passing through.

On 1/16/03 6:51, Brett Wesoloski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I was also wrong in that this is exchange 2000. 

That would be whom I am sending it to. 

For example if I were sending it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] when they get it
in the to address it has [EMAIL PROTECTED]

When sending from [EMAIL PROTECTED] it sends fine.  But when someone
reply to the e-mail address it has [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Wow even looking at it more it has a underscore between the name when it
should be a period. 

Here is the example of the e-mail I am getting. 

-Original Message- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:03 AM 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Should be 
--Original Message--- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sorry if I was confusing. 

TIA, 
Brett 




-Original Message- 
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:59 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: RE: Exchange  AS/400 


So where's lakeco.com? 

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP 
Technical Consultant 
hp Services 
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. 


-Original Message- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brett Wesoloski 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:51 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: RE: Exchange  AS/400 


SMTP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

-Original Message- 
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:14 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: RE: Exchange  AS/400 


What do your recipient policies say? 

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP 
Technical Consultant 
hp Services 
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems. 


-Original Message- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brett Wesoloski 
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:17 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Exchange  AS/400 


Exchange 5.5 

A couple quick questions. 

I am having a problem with my reply to address.  It seems to be putting 
.exchange after everyone's e-mail address. 

For example: 
my e-mail address should be [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I am getting 
for a reply to address [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

The send to address are very strange when you get them as well.  For 
example If I were sending an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the to 
address would have [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

The other question I have is if it is possible to setup exchange to act 
as a remote e-mail server. For example, I want to e-mail from the 
AS/400, it has its own SMTP service, but you don't know if the mail has 
been rejected or not. I want to see if I can use exchange someway to 
help out. There is not AS/400 version of Outlook and I can't find any 
information on this. 

Any thoughts on either of these? 

TIA, 
Brett 



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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Hansen, Eric
You know that's exactly what I told them, but our security guy's patented
response is This is the direction the company is going, I'm not privy to
the information apparently.  I'm just being told what to do, me and my
counter part are not very happy about it.

-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:05 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.

Where are you getting the separation of duties part, Eric?  I haven't seen
anything like that.  Although there's enough there (in HIPAA) that is to
turn my hair greyer than it already is.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


I don't have any SEC requirements, here its all HIPPA.  And their big thing
so far is separation of duties and checks and balances.  Pretty soon if
I need to create a mailbox I'm going to need permission from the security
group.  :(

-Original Message-
From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: The SEC is killing me.

Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
100% Active Directory
100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to access
every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to
satisfy certain SEC requirements.  

The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an Exchange
5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the
mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a very
good job searching it.

So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 50
messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so good.

I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to satisfy
SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a better way?
Or Better Software?  

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Re: Exchange 2000

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff



1.  Type in http:\\cluster\exchange 

2.  TechNet 

3.  Check FAQ for information on asking technical questions.




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Hello Group, 

two errors/questions about a exchange 2000 cluster: 

1) Owa is only possible to connect to one of the two nodes using the 
netbios name. http:\\nodeA\exchange or http:\\nodeB\exchange 
How to connect owa using the netbios name of the shared cluster ressource? 
http:\\cluster\exchange?? 

2) Logoff of the mailbox terminates with an error: 
Http: 404 page not found for http:\\nodeA\exchange\logoff.asp 

Any advise for this questions? 

Thom 



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Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
I think there's also at least 1 KB article which talks about queue lengths
in perfmon not matching actual numbers of messages queued, but don't have it
handy at the moment. Can't remember exactly which queue it applies to
either... Sorry.

On 1/16/03 8:44, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



No, email is being delivered fine.  I'll follow up on that tool.  Thanks 
Chris. 

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:42 AM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High 


Are users reporting missing or delayed mail? I think PSS might have a 
tool or two to enumerate these messages. 

On 1/16/03 6:36, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



OK, I thought that might have been the issue, but I'm now at 55.  I 
don't think our users use this option much so I am kind of curious to 
why its still showing a buildup.  What other options do I have to find 
out what is in this queue? 

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 3:05 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High 


I thought that might be it, but I'm a bit sluggish this morning (all 
that perfmon testing starts to run together after a while as well). 

On 1/13/03 11:48, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Why yes it does   So I guess I am looking at deferred messages then. 


Thanks Chris.  

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 12:32 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: MSExchange IS Mailbox Send Queue Size High 


My mind is running 2 cups of coffee short this morning, but if you send 
a message with a deferred delivery time, does the queue increase to 46? 

On 1/13/03 10:31, Woodruff, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



Exchange 2k SP3... 

I was just looking at Perfmon and noticed the queue is steady at 45 and 
has remained there.  I don't have any other high traffic going on right 
now.  All other queues are low.  Any idea why it is high?  Thanks. 



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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Clemens, Rick
We don't have IM.

-Original Message-
From: Ed Crowley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:51 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


What are you doing about instant messaging?  Don't you have to keep all IM
transactions as well?

Ed Crowley MCSE+I MVP
Technical Consultant
hp Services
There are seldom good technological solutions to behavioral problems.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dupler, Craig
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:34 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


This will not help you with your SEC problem.  It's just a musing and is
merely to suggest that no audit technique is fool proof.  I think that any
system that you can design, a clever person can get around.

Let me suggest a scenario from back in the days when I was working on virus
delivery techniques and counter measures.  The key to this particular
almost impossible to detect nefarious message delivery technique would be
to send a message to an external mailbox that had a client running against
it with in-box rules enabled.  The client could parse the message and
execute a script or even an external program that would generate another
message, which could be sent to any smtp address (or in the case of a virus,
do nefarious things on  its own local network).  So let's say I send a one
word message to my home mailbox that says hi.  That could trigger a script
that sends a message to tell someone to sell.  Another script triggered by
dinner tonight could trigger a script that generates the buy message. You
get the idea. The offending message itself can be as simple or complex but
apparently harmless cipher that you could imagine.  It could even be
embedded in a pattern that looks like I'm sending a daily (or better yet,
apparently random and occasional) note commenting on tonight's menu, with an
if message text contains filter at the other end.  A hindered word note
that contained the phrase rare steak could be the trigger.  The to
address is not that of the ultimate recipient, and the instruction in a form
that you could detect is beyond the reach of your archives and searches.
There reality is, that you simply cannot filter for this sort of thing in
your archives.  You can find someone that is being stupid or careless, but
not someone that is cunning and deliberate.

The extent to which variations on this technique can be used is frightening.
Consider what a batch file on a DOS machine could do, in terms of generating
an Assembly language program by having VB Script simply write stings from an
Excel or Word document to a text file.  The VB Script does not even have to
travel with the Office document, but can simply be running on the machine on
the receiving end.  Such a trigger can be hidden behind layer upon layer of
isolating techniques.  The initial trigger instruction does not have to be
sent via SMTP.  A FAX to something like a SatisFAXtion modem or a call to an
IVR system listening for a specific DMTF sequence that would not be recorded
by your phone system can do it.  A web site can do it.  Web mail to your
home smtp address can do it.  A cellular call . . .  You get the idea. Every
link will leave some tracks, but those tracks can be incomplete and look
very harmless.

Back in the 80's before Microsoft Office became the dominant office suite,
there was a product called Smartware by a small company in Lenexa, Kansas
that was later purchased by Informix and destroyed. Smartware had the
equivalent of VBA in all of its modules, and it had a communications module.
The second version of the package even had PEEK and POKE instructions.
Imagine what you could do with that today in and administrative security
context on a Win2K machine in an Internet world.


Nedry (a transposition of nerdy) is still out there.


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: The SEC is killing me.


There are a number of archival solutions out there. Some of them are listed
at www.mail-resources.com in addition to the ones Gary mentioned. Contact me
offline, I might have some other ideas.

On 1/15/03 17:05, Clemens, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3 
100% Active Directory 
100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4 

Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to access 
every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to 
satisfy certain SEC requirements.  

The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an Exchange

5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the 
mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a very 
good job searching it. 

So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 50 
messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast. 

RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Clemens, Rick
We looked at KVS vault and they wanted way too much money.

-Original Message-
From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:37 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


Rick,

KVS vault can archive the Journal automatically as it is placed in there, so
you don't build a massive Journal email size. Then use KVS with its indexing
feature to fully searchable emails (including inside attachments).

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours


-Original Message-
From: Slinger, Gary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 January 2003 00:32
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


Google is your friend...  Search phrases like 'SEC Compiant email' aren't
that hard to conjure.

OK, I'll play nice:

http://www.tumbleweed.com/en/industries/financial_services/

http://www.optical.com/

You could probably configure http://www.ixos.com or http://www.kvault.com to
meet the needs as well.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 19:05
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


That was also discussed as a solution but here is why we said no to that
one:

In one scenario the SEC requested all e-mails from 7 individuals relating to
insider trading from a specific period of 7 days.  Now if we utilized the
Back-up scenario we would have had to do 3 different restores (because the
users were spread across 3 different sites and then exmerge the data into 7
different PST'sbut what if we have some smart users here and not only
did they delete the message but the removed it from the deleted items
retention?  A backup won't catch that.Not so far fetched.  The Journal
is mutch easier to manage from our perspective its just difficult to search.

-Original Message-
From: Daniel Chenault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: The SEC is killing me.


Just have a 90-day backup tape retention policy.

- Original Message -
From: Clemens, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:05 PM
Subject: The SEC is killing me.


 Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
 100% Active Directory
 100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

 Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to
access
 every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to 
 satisfy certain SEC requirements.

 The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an
Exchange
 5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the 
 mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a
very
 good job searching it.

 So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 
 50 messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so 
 good.

 I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to
satisfy
 SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a 
 better
way?
 Or Better Software?

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Re: Exchange 5.5 sp3, OWA IIS5 and windows 2000

2003-01-16 Thread Bob Petra
To ad this extra IE message to my OWA problem


Technical Information (for support personnel)

Error Type:
Microsoft VBScript runtime (0x800A01A8)
Object required: 'Application(...)'
/exchange/DUT/logon.asp, line 12


Browser Type:
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) 

Page:
GET /exchange/DUT/logon.asp 

Time:
Thursday, January 16, 2003, 3:58:36 PM 


More information:
Microsoft Support 



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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Clemens, Rick
We are just getting started on this.You are correct 90 days is indeed
short but Legal hasn't given us any other hard requirements at this time.

-Original Message-
From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:55 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: The SEC is killing me.


Ahh, the endless quest for compliance.
We are looking at 3 products :  Tumbleweed's Secure Archive, KVS, and EAS.
Of the three, I like KVS the best for a number of reasons: ease of use, very
powerful features, it has a very nice interface - perfect for the compliance
office and the reps have been great.  However, we are using Tumbleweed's
Secure Mail feature now for content filtering etc, so it will probably wind
up being cheaper and easier for us to simply plug in the Secure Archive
component. Remember also that compliance means that all the archiving must
be stored on non-writable, i.e.. optical media, so simply keeping copies of
emails on a hard drive is probably not enough. Your lawyers will have to
make that call whether that meets the requirements. All together, the
archiving solutions run anywhere from 20-40K which typically includes
everything: installation, training, server, software etc...

P.S. Are you only required to keep messages for 90 days? That seems a bit
short.


- Original Message -
From: Clemens, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: The SEC is killing me.


 Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
 100% Active Directory
 100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

 Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to
access
 every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to 
 satisfy certain SEC requirements.

 The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an
Exchange
 5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the 
 mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a
very
 good job searching it.

 So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 
 50 messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so 
 good.

 I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to
satisfy
 SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a 
 better
way?
 Or Better Software?

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RE: Backup onto LTO and compression question.

2003-01-16 Thread Pfefferkorn, Pete (PFEFFEPE)
We found out about the drivers as well. The backup was taking up to two
hours for a full dump of the stores.  After updating the drives, we went
down to 20 minutes or so.

-Original Message-
From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 5:19 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Backup onto LTO and compression question.


It depends on other factors as well, the number and sizes of your
tracking logs, the number of transaction logs on the server, are you
indexing your message stores

I'm currently backing up 164 Gbytes of data, that's a public folder
store, three message stores in one storage group, tracking logs,
transaction logs, indexes, etc. on one LTO-1 tape.

Be advised, you may need to update the drivers on the PERC card and the
SCSI card connecting the LTO tape unit in order to get decent
performance out of it. The default Win2K drivers for the SCSI cards have
a bug in them.

John Matteson
Geac Corporate ISS
(404) 239 - 2981
Atlanta, Georgia, USA.



-Original Message-
From: Pfefferkorn, Pete (PFEFFEPE) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:41 PM
Posted To: Exchange Discussion List
Conversation: Backup onto LTO and compression question.
Subject: Backup onto LTO and compression question.


This might be somewhat of a vague question.  We current have a
DellPowervault LTO 110T backup tape drive on our primary Exchange
Server. It will back up 100 Gig non-compressed or 200 Gig compressed.
Does anyone know the maximum size an Exchange DB can be if you use
compression on the tape?  I'm not sure how well the Exchange DB will
compress.

Pete Pfefferkorn
Senior Systems Engineer/Mail Administrator
University of Cincinnati
51 Goodman Street
Cincinnati, OH  45221
Phone - (513) 556-9076
Fax - (513) 556-2042


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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Clemens, Rick
Thank you for all your replies.I guess I was just curious what everyone
else is doing...This has helped a lot.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


You know that's exactly what I told them, but our security guy's patented
response is This is the direction the company is going, I'm not privy to
the information apparently.  I'm just being told what to do, me and my
counter part are not very happy about it.

-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:05 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.

Where are you getting the separation of duties part, Eric?  I haven't seen
anything like that.  Although there's enough there (in HIPAA) that is to
turn my hair greyer than it already is.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


I don't have any SEC requirements, here its all HIPPA.  And their big thing
so far is separation of duties and checks and balances.  Pretty soon if
I need to create a mailbox I'm going to need permission from the security
group.  :(

-Original Message-
From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: The SEC is killing me.

Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
100% Active Directory
100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to access
every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to
satisfy certain SEC requirements.  

The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an Exchange
5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the
mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a very
good job searching it.

So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 50
messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so good.

I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to satisfy
SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a better way?
Or Better Software?  

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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Julian Stone
A product that is being usied on this side of the pond, is Mailstore
from 
@rchive-it.com

http://www.archive-it.com

It takes the messages out of the Exchange system and stores them in
SQL\Tape with everything being fully audited.

BTW our data retention period for legal documents is 7 years !!

Yours, 

Julian Stone 


-Original Message-
From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: 16 January 2003 15:01 pm
To: Exchange Discussions

Thank you for all your replies.I guess I was just curious what
everyone
else is doing...This has helped a lot.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:46 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


You know that's exactly what I told them, but our security guy's
patented
response is This is the direction the company is going, I'm not privy
to
the information apparently.  I'm just being told what to do, me and my
counter part are not very happy about it.

-Original Message-
From: Chinnery, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:05 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.

Where are you getting the separation of duties part, Eric?  I haven't
seen
anything like that.  Although there's enough there (in HIPAA) that is to
turn my hair greyer than it already is.

Paul Chinnery
Network Administrator
Mem Med Ctr


-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:57 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


I don't have any SEC requirements, here its all HIPPA.  And their big
thing
so far is separation of duties and checks and balances.  Pretty soon
if
I need to create a mailbox I'm going to need permission from the
security
group.  :(

-Original Message-
From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: The SEC is killing me.

Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
100% Active Directory
100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to
access
every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to
satisfy certain SEC requirements.  

The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an
Exchange
5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the
mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a
very
good job searching it.

So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With
50
messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so good.

I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to
satisfy
SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a better
way?
Or Better Software?  

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RE: Exchange 2000

2003-01-16 Thread Hutchins, Mike
Try http://cluster/exchange

Those little lines are picky about which way they lean..

And Chris, get more coffee..

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:56 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Exchange 2000


Hello Chris, 

is there something missing oin the cluster maybe a virtual iis server
res or exchnage http server ressource?

1.  Type in http:\\cluster\exchange 
this just brings me to a page not found error...


2.  TechNet /Kb
no suggestions on how to set up exchange virtual http server
no error in event logs


3.  Check FAQ for information on asking technical questions.
neither an answer
 
 
 
 On 1/16/03 7:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 Hello Group,
 
 two errors/questions about a exchange 2000 cluster:
 
 1) Owa is only possible to connect to one of the two nodes using the
 netbios name. http:\\nodeA\exchange or http:\\nodeB\exchange 
 How to connect owa using the netbios name of the shared cluster
ressource?
 http:\\cluster\exchange?? 
 
 2) Logoff of the mailbox terminates with an error:
 Http: 404 page not found for http:\\nodeA\exchange\logoff.asp 
 
 Any advise for this questions?
 
 Thom

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Re: Exchange 5.5 sp3, OWA IIS5 and windows 2000

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
http://support.microsoft.com


On 1/16/03 8:55, Bob Petra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



To ad this extra IE message to my OWA problem 

 
Technical Information (for support personnel) 

Error Type: 
Microsoft VBScript runtime (0x800A01A8) 
Object required: 'Application(...)' 
/exchange/DUT/logon.asp, line 12 


Browser Type: 
Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.0) 

Page: 
GET /exchange/DUT/logon.asp 

Time: 
Thursday, January 16, 2003, 3:58:36 PM 


More information: 
Microsoft Support 

 

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Re: Exchange 2000

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
1.  And the http error code is? And technet says what about it? And you
tried those things with what results? 

2.  You're saying there is no KB article which addresses 404 errors when
trying to logoff? Now, I haven't looked for a bit, so it's possible that the
error message has been removed, but there's no indication that you've done
the requisite research, so pardon me for not bothering to jump at the
opportunity for you. 

3.  It appears that you lack the inclination or ability to phrase a
proper technical question. Neither a useful answer shall likely receive til
you rectify this situation. 

4.  



On 1/16/03 8:56, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hello Chris, 

is there something missing oin the cluster maybe a virtual iis server res 
or exchnage http server ressource? 

1.  Type in http:\\cluster\exchange 
this just brings me to a page not found error... 


2.  TechNet /Kb 
no suggestions on how to set up exchange virtual http server 
no error in event logs 


3.  Check FAQ for information on asking technical questions. 
neither an answer 
 
 
 
 On 1/16/03 7:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 
 
 Hello Group, 
 
 two errors/questions about a exchange 2000 cluster: 
 
 1) Owa is only possible to connect to one of the two nodes using the 
 netbios name. http:\\nodeA\exchange or http:\\nodeB\exchange 
 How to connect owa using the netbios name of the shared cluster ressource?

 http:\\cluster\exchange?? 
 
 2) Logoff of the mailbox terminates with an error: 
 Http: 404 page not found for http:\\nodeA\exchange\logoff.asp 
 
 Any advise for this questions? 
 
 Thom 

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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
MimeSweeper. TumbleWeed.

-Original Message-
From: Clemens, Rick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: The SEC is killing me.


Mixed Exchange 5.5 SP4 / Exchange 2000 SP3
100% Active Directory
100% Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4

Our Legal and Security department wants us to provide the ability to access
every e-mail the company sends or receives for a period of 90 days to
satisfy certain SEC requirements.  

The original plan was to Journal everything into a mailbox using an Exchange
5.5 server.  It worked in so far as all the mail went to the
mailbox...but...After it got over 100 messages outlook didn't do a very
good job searching it.

So we moved the Journal to Exchange 2000 and are Indexing it.  With 50
messages so far Outlook searches it pretty fast.  So far so good.

I guess my questions iswhat is everyone else out there doing to satisfy
SEC requirements for Electronic Documents Retention?  Is there a better way?
Or Better Software?  

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OWA and Outlook calendar not showing the same things

2003-01-16 Thread Mario Fernandez
One of our sales guy who's on the road and uses OWA, is back in the office
and his Outlook is nor showing the same appointments as when he logs into
OWA.  Has anyone seen this before.




 
Mario Fernandez
Network Administrator
DataSynapse
632 Broadway 5th Floor
New York, NY 10012
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User Sessions on Exchange 5.5

2003-01-16 Thread Chris tanner
Hello,

Is there a way to terminate a user session on Exchange 5.5 besides
stopping Store (which is like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut). In
other words, is there a way to logout a user from an Exchange server -
disconnect them from their mailbox.

All our Exchange servers run Exchange 5.5 and our clients are using
Outlook 2000.

Regards,

Chris Tanner
AECL
Chalk River, Ont.
Canada

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Re: User Sessions on Exchange 5.5

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
To what end?

On 1/16/03 10:18, Chris tanner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Hello, 

Is there a way to terminate a user session on Exchange 5.5 besides 
stopping Store (which is like using a sledge hammer to crack a nut). In 
other words, is there a way to logout a user from an Exchange server - 
disconnect them from their mailbox. 

All our Exchange servers run Exchange 5.5 and our clients are using 
Outlook 2000. 

Regards, 

Chris Tanner 
AECL 
Chalk River, Ont. 
Canada 




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question

2003-01-16 Thread Kim Schotanus
Hi, if I have the message ID, how can I retrieve a message from the
server?

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RE: Exchange 2000

2003-01-16 Thread Blunt, James H (Jim)
#2)  Well obviously, a 404 error is Page not found at (this location)

What's so hard to figure out about that? Go to the location that it's trying
to access and see if there is a file called logoff.asp.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:54 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Exchange 2000


Hello Group,

two errors/questions about a exchange 2000 cluster:

1) Owa is only possible to connect to one of the two nodes using the netbios
name. http:\\nodeA\exchange or http:\\nodeB\exchange How to connect owa
using the netbios name of the shared cluster ressource?
http:\\cluster\exchange??

2) Logoff of the mailbox terminates with an error:
Http: 404 page not found for http:\\nodeA\exchange\logoff.asp

Any advise for this questions?

Thom

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Public Folder in Exchange 2000 /w Outlook 2002

2003-01-16 Thread Newsgroups
Does anybody know how I can deny complete access to public folders w/
out having to go to each root folder and deny access to them?

Thanks

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Re: Public Folder in Exchange 2000 /w Outlook 2002

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
Don't believe you can, however this is what groups are for.

On 1/16/03 11:50, Newsgroups [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Does anybody know how I can deny complete access to public folders w/ 
out having to go to each root folder and deny access to them? 



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RE: OWA and Outlook calendar not showing the same things

2003-01-16 Thread Drew Nicholson
Is his Outlook pointing to the same location as where he was going via
OWA?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
RapidApp
312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
From: Mario Fernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 9:41 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: OWA and Outlook calendar not showing the same things


One of our sales guy who's on the road and uses OWA, is back in the
office and his Outlook is nor showing the same appointments as when he
logs into OWA.  Has anyone seen this before.




 
Mario Fernandez
Network Administrator
DataSynapse
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New York, NY 10012
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Re: OWA and Outlook calendar not showing the same things

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
User opted to use Schedule+ in his OWA options by chance?

On 1/16/03 9:41, Mario Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



One of our sales guy who's on the road and uses OWA, is back in the office 
and his Outlook is nor showing the same appointments as when he logs into 
OWA.  Has anyone seen this before. 




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Secondary smtp question

2003-01-16 Thread Wehner, Paul (WEHNERPL)
I have 20K mailboxes that I've added a secondary smtp address to.
(obj-class, mode, alias, secondary-proxy-address)
What I'd like to do is flip flop all email address so that the secondary
smtp address becomes the primary. 
I can't figure it out. Anyone have the magic? 


thanks,
Paul


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Re: Secondary smtp question

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
obj-class, mode, alias, email addresses
SMTP: - smtp:
smtp: - SMTP

On 1/16/03 12:04, Wehner, Paul (WEHNERPL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I have 20K mailboxes that I've added a secondary smtp address to. 
(obj-class, mode, alias, secondary-proxy-address) 
What I'd like to do is flip flop all email address so that the secondary 
smtp address becomes the primary. 
I can't figure it out. Anyone have the magic? 



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the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Hansen, Eric

I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Stevens, Dave

We bought IMSS from Trend a few months agoI am very happy with it with
the only exception being some of the log manipulation.  Some of the searches
and query's are not very detailed.  Great product, we quarantine and block
about a thousand a day.it will cost you too.


Dave Stevens
-IT Network Support- 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 


-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
e-

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RE: Secondary smtp question

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Seielstad
You have to set E-mail Addresses to set the default reply-to address, and
then add the old primary into secondary-proxy-addresses, but you'd probably
want to set the import to overwrite.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Wehner, Paul (WEHNERPL) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:04 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Secondary smtp question
 
 
 I have 20K mailboxes that I've added a secondary smtp address to.
 (obj-class, mode, alias, secondary-proxy-address)
 What I'd like to do is flip flop all email address so that 
 the secondary
 smtp address becomes the primary. 
 I can't figure it out. Anyone have the magic? 
 
 
 thanks,
 Paul
 
 
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RE: Secondary smtp question

2003-01-16 Thread Roger Seielstad
That won't work in 5.5. Reply-to is specified by the SMTP address listed in
'Email Addresses'

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Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:10 PM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: Re: Secondary smtp question
 
 
 obj-class, mode, alias, email addresses
 SMTP: - smtp:
 smtp: - SMTP
 
 On 1/16/03 12:04, Wehner, Paul (WEHNERPL) 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 
 I have 20K mailboxes that I've added a secondary smtp address to. 
 (obj-class, mode, alias, secondary-proxy-address) 
 What I'd like to do is flip flop all email address so that 
 the secondary 
 smtp address becomes the primary. 
 I can't figure it out. Anyone have the magic? 
 
 
 
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Hansen, Eric
And this works on both 5.5 and 2000?  

-Original Message-
From: Stevens, Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


We bought IMSS from Trend a few months agoI am very happy with it with
the only exception being some of the log manipulation.  Some of the searches
and query's are not very detailed.  Great product, we quarantine and block
about a thousand a day.it will cost you too.


Dave Stevens
-IT Network Support- 
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 


-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:12 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Martin Blackstone
What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Hansen, Eric
Got it.  And actually I probably should have mentioned that.  And I have
another question.


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Martin Blackstone
Because some people want that I guess...

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: Virus activity

2003-01-16 Thread Durkee, Peter
And speaking of viruses and holidays, has anyone else noticed how Klez changes for 
some holidays? How else can you explain messages like Have a humour Epiphany, which 
only turn up in early January?

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Roger Seielstad [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:31
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Virus activity


Actaully, apparently December 25th and January 1 were great times to release
viruses. At least one of the largest AV vendors sent an email to all their
customers telling them flat out that their virus labs would be outright
closed on those days.

--
Roger D. Seielstad - MCSE
Sr. Systems Administrator
Inovis - Formerly Harbinger and Extricity
Atlanta, GA


 -Original Message-
 From: Busby, Jacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
 Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 5:37 AM
 To: Exchange Discussions
 Subject: RE: Virus activity
 
 
  Is anyone else out there noticing a higher level of virus 
 activity in
  the last week or so?  Our gateway scanner has been catching an
  increasing number of viruses over the last week.  I am also 
  seeing a few
  that we haven't seen in quite a while.  I am not concerned, 
  just curious
  if others have noticed this also.
  
  -Ryan
 
 Start of year would make a good time release a new virus. 
 People get back from the Christmas holidays and it can take a 
 couple of days to get back in the swing in things. Also be on 
 the look out for virii triggered on specific dates (eg. a 
 Valentines Day virus) It's sad fact of life that some people 
 have nothing better to do than write malicious code.
 
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Weathersby, Bryce
Some low volume people will install the product on their exchange box, which
saves lots of money if they don't have to have a second box to act as their
gateway. 

We are looking at a product by GFI Called Mail Essentials.. I have run a
demo of the product and it seems pretty robust, and had some nice reporting
and filtering options.. Any other comments out there about this product or
any other gateways???

Bryce Weathersby
Networking Specialist I
Lamar Institute Of Technology
Beaumont, TX
Phone: 409-839-2040
Fax: 409-839-2931
http://www.lit.edu



-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Got it.  And actually I probably should have mentioned that.  And I have
another question.


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question and Other stuff....

2003-01-16 Thread Weathersby, Bryce

Now as a side note... After I praise the GFI and start looking into it for
deployment.. They have broken their product into a gateway model and a
module for your Exchange Box... 2 separate packages, which split what I
wanted... Now features are in both.. So now I gotta buy 2 software
packages..

Back to the demo lab... Anybody got a suggestion. We are looking for a
gateway product to block viruses, spam, etc, AND have the ability to log
each message into and/or out of the mail system into a SQL database for
required archival purposes

Bryce Weathersby
Networking Specialist I
Lamar Institute Of Technology
Beaumont, TX
Phone: 409-839-2040
Fax: 409-839-2931
http://www.lit.edu



-Original Message-
From: Weathersby, Bryce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Some low volume people will install the product on their exchange box, which
saves lots of money if they don't have to have a second box to act as their
gateway. 

We are looking at a product by GFI Called Mail Essentials.. I have run a
demo of the product and it seems pretty robust, and had some nice reporting
and filtering options.. Any other comments out there about this product or
any other gateways???

Bryce Weathersby
Networking Specialist I
Lamar Institute Of Technology
Beaumont, TX
Phone: 409-839-2040
Fax: 409-839-2931
http://www.lit.edu



-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Got it.  And actually I probably should have mentioned that.  And I have
another question.


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question and Other stuff....

2003-01-16 Thread Martin Blackstone
Mail Marshal?

-Original Message-
From: Weathersby, Bryce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:10 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question and Other stuff



Now as a side note... After I praise the GFI and start looking into it for
deployment.. They have broken their product into a gateway model and a
module for your Exchange Box... 2 separate packages, which split what I
wanted... Now features are in both.. So now I gotta buy 2 software
packages..

Back to the demo lab... Anybody got a suggestion. We are looking for a
gateway product to block viruses, spam, etc, AND have the ability to log
each message into and/or out of the mail system into a SQL database for
required archival purposes

Bryce Weathersby
Networking Specialist I
Lamar Institute Of Technology
Beaumont, TX
Phone: 409-839-2040
Fax: 409-839-2931
http://www.lit.edu



-Original Message-
From: Weathersby, Bryce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Some low volume people will install the product on their exchange box, which
saves lots of money if they don't have to have a second box to act as their
gateway. 

We are looking at a product by GFI Called Mail Essentials.. I have run a
demo of the product and it seems pretty robust, and had some nice reporting
and filtering options.. Any other comments out there about this product or
any other gateways???

Bryce Weathersby
Networking Specialist I
Lamar Institute Of Technology
Beaumont, TX
Phone: 409-839-2040
Fax: 409-839-2931
http://www.lit.edu



-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Got it.  And actually I probably should have mentioned that.  And I have
another question.


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Hansen, Eric
And that's bad, correct.  My somewhat limited knowledge would think that's
bad.

So is it safe to assume that as I look at product, because it's a gateway
product, that it doesn't need to be software specific cause I'll never be
actually installing exchange 5.5 on my antispam server?

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

Because some people want that I guess...

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question and Other stuff....

2003-01-16 Thread Bailey, Matthew
We are currently running Surf Control's Email Filter for SMTP.  It has a
robust spam filter, does virus scanning, has content filtering, and does
have the option to log messages to a SQL Database.


- Matt

Matthew Bailey
LAN Engineer
CSK Auto, Inc.
(602) 631-7486
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


-Original Message-
From: Weathersby, Bryce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:10 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question and Other stuff


Now as a side note... After I praise the GFI and start looking into it for
deployment.. They have broken their product into a gateway model and a
module for your Exchange Box... 2 separate packages, which split what I
wanted... Now features are in both.. So now I gotta buy 2 software
packages..

Back to the demo lab... Anybody got a suggestion. We are looking for a
gateway product to block viruses, spam, etc, AND have the ability to log
each message into and/or out of the mail system into a SQL database for
required archival purposes

Bryce Weathersby
Networking Specialist I
Lamar Institute Of Technology
Beaumont, TX
Phone: 409-839-2040
Fax: 409-839-2931
http://www.lit.edu



-Original Message-
From: Weathersby, Bryce [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Some low volume people will install the product on their exchange box, which
saves lots of money if they don't have to have a second box to act as their
gateway. 

We are looking at a product by GFI Called Mail Essentials.. I have run a
demo of the product and it seems pretty robust, and had some nice reporting
and filtering options.. Any other comments out there about this product or
any other gateways???

Bryce Weathersby
Networking Specialist I
Lamar Institute Of Technology
Beaumont, TX
Phone: 409-839-2040
Fax: 409-839-2931
http://www.lit.edu



-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:29 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Got it.  And actually I probably should have mentioned that.  And I have
another question.


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Martin Blackstone
Is it bad. No, I don't think so. More a matter of preference. I prefer to
get my mail and virus's cleaned up before it hits the server. I also like
the fact that the gateway will hold my mail in the event my Exchange box
goes down. 

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


And that's bad, correct.  My somewhat limited knowledge would think that's
bad.

So is it safe to assume that as I look at product, because it's a gateway
product, that it doesn't need to be software specific cause I'll never be
actually installing exchange 5.5 on my antispam server?

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

Because some people want that I guess...

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Hansen, Eric
Ok, super, I think I have been set straight on this subject.  Thanks Martin.

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

Is it bad. No, I don't think so. More a matter of preference. I prefer to
get my mail and virus's cleaned up before it hits the server. I also like
the fact that the gateway will hold my mail in the event my Exchange box
goes down. 

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


And that's bad, correct.  My somewhat limited knowledge would think that's
bad.

So is it safe to assume that as I look at product, because it's a gateway
product, that it doesn't need to be software specific cause I'll never be
actually installing exchange 5.5 on my antispam server?

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

Because some people want that I guess...

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Weathersby, Bryce
I agree, but disagree... I come from the old school where it is better to
dedicate a box to one function. Yea I know with today's CPU's processing
isn't a problem.. But why burden one box if you can afford/justify a
second.. And I 100% agree with cleaning up the message before it EVER gets
to your touchy Exchange box... I have had em die before and that is just NO
fun...LOL

Bryce Weathersby
Networking Specialist I
Lamar Institute Of Technology
Beaumont, TX
Phone: 409-839-2040
Fax: 409-839-2931
http://www.lit.edu



-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Is it bad. No, I don't think so. More a matter of preference. I prefer to
get my mail and virus's cleaned up before it hits the server. I also like
the fact that the gateway will hold my mail in the event my Exchange box
goes down. 

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:19 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


And that's bad, correct.  My somewhat limited knowledge would think that's
bad.

So is it safe to assume that as I look at product, because it's a gateway
product, that it doesn't need to be software specific cause I'll never be
actually installing exchange 5.5 on my antispam server?

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

Because some people want that I guess...

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question
to the faq.


Chow bellas
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RE: The SEC is killing me.

2003-01-16 Thread Dupler, Craig
Me too.  It was an amazing tool.  I did a lot of programming in both
Smartware and Smartware II as well.  I remember one time I had a requirement
to make the database in 3.3 do something that in theory it could not.  So I
used the macro language to write the code from scratch and generate screens
that looked like Smart itself including the menus and commands , thus giving
the illusion that Smart had suddenly gotten some new functionality.  It was
really quick and easy to do, since any command could be linked back to
itself, and module linking effectively made the nesting levels unlimited.
It was an amazingly powerful environment.  Office didn't really begin to
come close to it until Office 95, but even the XP version still can't do
some of the things that Smartware II could do, which is probably a good
thing.  A Smartware II program could rewrite the contents of the ROM BIOS,
or write directly to things like the disk controller's controls, flip bits
on the NIC and so on.  In a Netware environment it could do all of this
across multiple machines and even retrieve the values of any address using a
pair of linked macros.  You could write a help center program, complete with
take over or merely screen replication tools.  It was bad.

-Original Message-
From: Hurst, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:49 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


Craig,

You remembered Smartware and Smartware II (or was that Smartware plus a
bit), like that product as it was one of the first. Earned me £££'s doing
macros work. Loved it for that.

Cheers

Paul

Standards are like toothbrushes,
everyone wants one but not yours


-Original Message-
From: Dupler, Craig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 16 January 2003 01:34
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: The SEC is killing me.


This will not help you with your SEC problem.  It's just a musing and is
merely to suggest that no audit technique is fool proof.  I think that any
system that you can design, a clever person can get around.

Let me suggest a scenario from back in the days when I was working on virus
delivery techniques and counter measures.  The key to this particular
almost impossible to detect nefarious message delivery technique would be
to send a message to an external mailbox that had a client running against
it with in-box rules enabled.  The client could parse the message and
execute a script or even an external program that would generate another
message, which could be sent to any smtp address (or in the case of a virus,
do nefarious things on  its own local network).  So let's say I send a one
word message to my home mailbox that says hi.  That could trigger a script
that sends a message to tell someone to sell.  Another script triggered by
dinner tonight could trigger a script that generates the buy message.
You get the idea.  The offending message itself can be as simple or complex
but apparently harmless cipher that you could imagine.  It could even be
embedded in a pattern that looks like I'm sending a daily (or better yet,
apparently random and occasional) note commenting on tonight's menu, with an
if message text contains filter at the other end.  A hindered word note
that contained the phrase rare steak could be the trigger.  The to
address is not that of the ultimate recipient, and the instruction in a form
that you could detect is beyond the reach of your archives and searches.
There reality is, that you simply cannot filter for this sort of thing in
your archives.  You can find someone that is being stupid or careless, but
not someone that is cunning and deliberate.

The extent to which variations on this technique can be used is frightening.
Consider what a batch file on a DOS machine could do, in terms of generating
an Assembly language program by having VB Script simply write stings from an
Excel or Word document to a text file.  The VB Script does not even have to
travel with the Office document, but can simply be running on the machine on
the receiving end.  Such a trigger can be hidden behind layer upon layer of
isolating techniques.  The initial trigger instruction does not have to be
sent via SMTP.  A FAX to something like a SatisFAXtion modem or a call to an
IVR system listening for a specific DMTF sequence that would not be recorded
by your phone system can do it.  A web site can do it.  Web mail to your
home smtp address can do it.  A cellular call . . .  You get the idea.
Every link will leave some tracks, but those tracks can be incomplete and
look very harmless.

Back in the 80's before Microsoft Office became the dominant office suite,
there was a product called Smartware by a small company in Lenexa, Kansas
that was later purchased by Informix and destroyed.  Smartware had the
equivalent of VBA in all of its modules, and it had a communications module.
The second version of the package even had PEEK and POKE instructions.
Imagine what you could do with that 

Re: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
The what anti-spam solution should I use FAQ answer I've submitted weekly
for the last 3 years is A1. The one Chris Scharff recommends for you after
a profitable (for him) consulting engagement, where he selects the best
product to meet the needs you relate to him surrounding such a solution. I
think it should be added soon.

On 1/16/03 12:11, Hansen, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My 
question has a small but important twist. 


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though we 
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net 
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam 
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug through 
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed. 


On a side note... 

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use? question 
to the faq. 


Chow bellas 
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Bob Sadler
Personally I just forward all my spam mail to Chris and he takes care of
them for me, I think everyone should do that :)



Bob Sadler
City of Leawood, KS, USA
Internet/WAN Specialist
913-339-6700 x194
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-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: the spam product question


The what anti-spam solution should I use FAQ answer I've submitted
weekly for the last 3 years is A1. The one Chris Scharff recommends for
you after a profitable (for him) consulting engagement, where he selects
the best product to meet the needs you relate to him surrounding such a
solution. I think it should be added soon.

On 1/16/03 12:11, Hansen, Eric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My

question has a small but important twist. 


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though
we 
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net 
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam

filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug
through 
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed. 


On a side note... 

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use?
question 
to the faq. 


Chow bellas 
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RE: the spam product question

2003-01-16 Thread Tom Meunier
Erm... If you only filter hatemail / inappropriate language / spam /
viruses on the gateway, your internal employees can then send hatemail /
inappropriate language / spam / viruses.  Hence the Exchange store
product and the separate gateway product.  Use the gateway to keep the
junk from the Internet from hitting you, and use the Exchange store
product to do it internally, if you have a mandate.  Many companies do.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Posted At: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:19 PM
Posted To: MSExchange Mailing List
Conversation: the spam product question
Subject: RE: the spam product question


And that's bad, correct.  My somewhat limited knowledge would think
that's bad.

So is it safe to assume that as I look at product, because it's a
gateway product, that it doesn't need to be software specific cause I'll
never be actually installing exchange 5.5 on my antispam server?

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:43 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

Because some people want that I guess...

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:29 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question


Our scenario is 1 5.5 mailbox server, 1 5.5 SMTP server, and a recently
aquired ANTISPAM server.  This will be the gateway.  So am I bound by
exchange 5.5 still since I'm not actually going to install it on the
exchange server or the smtp server?  I would think not, but I'm not
sure.


And if I don't need a product specific then why do they have for example
Symantec Filtering for Exchange, and things like that?

e-

-Original Message-
From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:22 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: the spam product question

What you want to do is get something that runs as a gateway rather than
on
the mail server. That will negate any issues of compatibility and keep
the
stuff from ever getting near the Exchange box.

-Original Message-
From: Hansen, Eric [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:12 AM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: the spam product question



I know I know I know, this questions has been asked a million times.  My
question has a small but important twist.


We don't content filter our email here.  Now they want to, even though
we
are less then 6 months away from a Exchange 2000 and/or Exchange .Net
migration, but they want to do it anyway.  I'm looking for the best spam
filter that will run on 5.5 but then will also run on 2000.  I dug
through
the archives a bit but didn't see this addressed.


On a side note...

They should really add the what anti-spam product should I use?
question
to the faq.


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RE: question

2003-01-16 Thread Gonzalez, Alex
Is it internal?  Or did it originate externally?  Also what version of
Exchange?

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-Original Message-
From: Kim Schotanus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:03 PM
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Hi, if I have the message ID, how can I retrieve a message from the
server?

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RE: OWA and Outlook calendar not showing the same things

2003-01-16 Thread Gonzalez, Alex
Is he using personal folders for delivery in Outlook?

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-Original Message-
From: Drew Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:56 PM
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Is his Outlook pointing to the same location as where he was going via
OWA?

Drew Nicholson
Technical Writer
Network Engineer
LAN Manager
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312-372-7188 (work)
312-543-0008 (cell)
Born To Edit


-Original Message-
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Subject: OWA and Outlook calendar not showing the same things


One of our sales guy who's on the road and uses OWA, is back in the
office and his Outlook is nor showing the same appointments as when he
logs into OWA.  Has anyone seen this before.




 
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RE: Public Folder in Exchange 2000 /w Outlook 2002

2003-01-16 Thread Gonzalez, Alex
If EX2000 set permissions at server level on the folder and right click
go to all tasks and propagate settings.

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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:54 PM
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Don't believe you can, however this is what groups are for.

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Does anybody know how I can deny complete access to public folders w/ 
out having to go to each root folder and deny access to them? 



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RE: Public Folder in Exchange 2000 /w Outlook 2002

2003-01-16 Thread Andrey Fyodorov
pfadmin ?


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Subject: Public Folder in Exchange 2000 /w Outlook 2002


Does anybody know how I can deny complete access to public folders w/
out having to go to each root folder and deny access to them?

Thanks

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Permissions problem

2003-01-16 Thread Boynton, Todd

Help!!

Users seem to be able to open everyone else's mailboxes with full
permissions.  Users are able to set up additional profiles in Outlook
and specify a different user and they are not prompted for a password.
I had noticed it on my machine and I just chaulked it up to being logged
in as administrator, but it seems that everyone can do it.

I haven't found anything blantantly obvious so I figured I send it out
to you folks and see what you came back with.

Thanks

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Permissions problem

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
Users can only do what they have permissions to do. Since a version of
Exchange is not listed, I'll just toss out a WAG and suggest you look at the
permissions the everyone group has in the Exchange Admin.

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Help!! 

Users seem to be able to open everyone else's mailboxes with full 
permissions.  Users are able to set up additional profiles in Outlook 
and specify a different user and they are not prompted for a password. 
I had noticed it on my machine and I just chaulked it up to being logged 
in as administrator, but it seems that everyone can do it. 

I haven't found anything blantantly obvious so I figured I send it out 
to you folks and see what you came back with. 



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Rules Wizard Issue

2003-01-16 Thread Scoles, Damian
I have a rule setup to move a message when it comes in if it matches
certain criteria in the recipient address.  The messages is copied to
the folder in the rule, but it does not remove the original from the
Inbox. 
I've done these rules a million times, so I cannot imagine what I've
done wrong.  Here is what I have on my PC:

Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625)
Exchange 2000

The rules are client only and the Outlook client is up when it happens. 
Am I missing something?  Thanks

Damian

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Re: Rules Wizard Issue

2003-01-16 Thread Scoles, Damian
Update to this issue.  I only have two rules for my rules wizard to
follow.  One is for this mailing list and the other is for another
mailing list.  Both are set the exact same way.  I noticed that the
first rule in the list copies the message to the folder but does not
remove it from the Inbox. While the second rule moves the message and
does not leave behind a copy.  It does not matter which of the two rules
is first, the patter of the first failing to work properly always
occurs.  Any ideas?  Or is this a bug with Outlook 2002 and move message
rules?  Thanks.

Damian

---
I have a rule setup to move a message when it comes in if it matches
certain criteria in the recipient address. The messages is copied to the
folder in the rule, but it does not remove the original from the Inbox. 
I've done these rules a million times, so I cannot imagine what I've
done wrong. Here is what I have on my PC:
Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625)
Exchange 2000
The rules are client only and the Outlook client is up when it happens. 
Am I missing something? Thanks

Damian

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Re: Permissions problem

2003-01-16 Thread Tony Hlabse
Sounds like someone gave a group to which all users belong to Exchange admin
rights. Check those. Your running E2K I take it.

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To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Permissions problem



Help!!

Users seem to be able to open everyone else's mailboxes with full
permissions.  Users are able to set up additional profiles in Outlook
and specify a different user and they are not prompted for a password.
I had noticed it on my machine and I just chaulked it up to being logged
in as administrator, but it seems that everyone can do it.

I haven't found anything blantantly obvious so I figured I send it out
to you folks and see what you came back with.

Thanks

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System



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RE: Rules Wizard Issue

2003-01-16 Thread Durkee, Peter
You might try adding and stop processing more rules to the end of your rules.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Scoles, Damian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:53
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Rules Wizard Issue


I have a rule setup to move a message when it comes in if it matches
certain criteria in the recipient address.  The messages is copied to
the folder in the rule, but it does not remove the original from the
Inbox. 
I've done these rules a million times, so I cannot imagine what I've
done wrong.  Here is what I have on my PC:

Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625)
Exchange 2000

The rules are client only and the Outlook client is up when it happens. 
Am I missing something?  Thanks

Damian

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RE: Permissions problem

2003-01-16 Thread Boynton, Todd
I always forget to mention that.  Yes I'm running E2K

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-Original Message-
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:20 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Permissions problem


Sounds like someone gave a group to which all users belong to Exchange
admin
rights. Check those. Your running E2K I take it.

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From: Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:12 PM
Subject: Permissions problem



Help!!

Users seem to be able to open everyone else's mailboxes with full
permissions.  Users are able to set up additional profiles in Outlook
and specify a different user and they are not prompted for a password.
I had noticed it on my machine and I just chaulked it up to being logged
in as administrator, but it seems that everyone can do it.

I haven't found anything blantantly obvious so I figured I send it out
to you folks and see what you came back with.

Thanks

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System



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Prevent forward/copy/print

2003-01-16 Thread Jean-Claude
I would like to disable forward/copy/print of an attachment that I email
to somebody.  In doing so, the recipient of the Email will not be able to
forward/copy/print the attachment.  This feature is available in Lotus
Notes.  Does anyone know if MS Exchange - MS Outlook allow you to do that.
Thanks,

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RE: Permissions problem

2003-01-16 Thread Boynton, Todd
Looking through ESM and the mailbox store Everyone has no rights but
also no denies.

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-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Permissions problem


Users can only do what they have permissions to do. Since a version of
Exchange is not listed, I'll just toss out a WAG and suggest you look at
the
permissions the everyone group has in the Exchange Admin.

On 1/16/03 15:12, Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Help!! 

Users seem to be able to open everyone else's mailboxes with full 
permissions.  Users are able to set up additional profiles in Outlook 
and specify a different user and they are not prompted for a password. 
I had noticed it on my machine and I just chaulked it up to being logged

in as administrator, but it seems that everyone can do it. 

I haven't found anything blantantly obvious so I figured I send it out 
to you folks and see what you came back with. 



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RE: Permissions problem

2003-01-16 Thread Boynton, Todd
That's not entirely acurate.  Everyone has rights to Create named
properties.. Blah blah, but that's it. 

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-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Permissions problem


Looking through ESM and the mailbox store Everyone has no rights but
also no denies.

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Permissions problem


Users can only do what they have permissions to do. Since a version of
Exchange is not listed, I'll just toss out a WAG and suggest you look at
the
permissions the everyone group has in the Exchange Admin.

On 1/16/03 15:12, Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Help!! 

Users seem to be able to open everyone else's mailboxes with full 
permissions.  Users are able to set up additional profiles in Outlook 
and specify a different user and they are not prompted for a password. 
I had noticed it on my machine and I just chaulked it up to being logged

in as administrator, but it seems that everyone can do it. 

I haven't found anything blantantly obvious so I figured I send it out 
to you folks and see what you came back with. 



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RE: Permissions problem

2003-01-16 Thread Boynton, Todd
On an individual users mailbox rights, Everyone has permission to read.

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-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:54 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Permissions problem


That's not entirely acurate.  Everyone has rights to Create named
properties.. Blah blah, but that's it. 

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 


-Original Message-
From: Boynton, Todd 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:45 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Permissions problem


Looking through ESM and the mailbox store Everyone has no rights but
also no denies.

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED]

== Communications Specialist
== UNET Technology Services, Network Operations
== Maine School and Library Network
==University of Maine System

 


-Original Message-
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:26 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Permissions problem


Users can only do what they have permissions to do. Since a version of
Exchange is not listed, I'll just toss out a WAG and suggest you look at
the
permissions the everyone group has in the Exchange Admin.

On 1/16/03 15:12, Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





Help!! 

Users seem to be able to open everyone else's mailboxes with full 
permissions.  Users are able to set up additional profiles in Outlook 
and specify a different user and they are not prompted for a password. 
I had noticed it on my machine and I just chaulked it up to being logged

in as administrator, but it seems that everyone can do it. 

I haven't found anything blantantly obvious so I figured I send it out 
to you folks and see what you came back with. 



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RE: Rules Wizard Issue

2003-01-16 Thread Scoles, Damian
Tried this and it makes things worse, I can't get rules after it to
work.  Here is something else that is interesting.  I tried to create a
dummy rule in front of it to filter fake messages, but it does not
aleviate the situation. Anyways, I have to assume this is a bug with
Outlook 2002.  I did not find anything on Microsofts web page yet.
Thanks anyways.


Damian

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Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:31 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: RE: Rules Wizard Issue


You might try adding and stop processing more rules to the end of your
rules.

-Peter


-Original Message-
From: Scoles, Damian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:53
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Rules Wizard Issue


I have a rule setup to move a message when it comes in if it matches
certain criteria in the recipient address.  The messages is copied to
the folder in the rule, but it does not remove the original from the
Inbox. 
I've done these rules a million times, so I cannot imagine what I've
done wrong.  Here is what I have on my PC:

Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625)
Exchange 2000

The rules are client only and the Outlook client is up when it happens. 
Am I missing something?  Thanks

Damian

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Re: Rules Wizard Issue

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
Choose move instead of copy in the rules creation process.

On 1/16/03 12:52, Scoles, Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I have a rule setup to move a message when it comes in if it matches 
certain criteria in the recipient address.  The messages is copied to 
the folder in the rule, but it does not remove the original from the 
Inbox. 
I've done these rules a million times, so I cannot imagine what I've 
done wrong.  Here is what I have on my PC: 

Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625) 
Exchange 2000 

The rules are client only and the Outlook client is up when it happens. 
Am I missing something?  Thanks 

Damian 

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Re: Permissions problem

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
Ah, then someone has really had to go in and dig to make the change... I
don't suppose the who is documented in a change log anywhere...

On 1/16/03 15:33, Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I always forget to mention that.  Yes I'm running E2K 

Todd Boynton[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
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-Original Message- 
From: Tony Hlabse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:20 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: Permissions problem 


Sounds like someone gave a group to which all users belong to Exchange 
admin 
rights. Check those. Your running E2K I take it. 

- Original Message - 
From: Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Exchange Discussions [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:12 PM 
Subject: Permissions problem 



Help!! 

Users seem to be able to open everyone else's mailboxes with full 
permissions.  Users are able to set up additional profiles in Outlook 
and specify a different user and they are not prompted for a password. 
I had noticed it on my machine and I just chaulked it up to being logged 
in as administrator, but it seems that everyone can do it. 

I haven't found anything blantantly obvious so I figured I send it out 
to you folks and see what you came back with. 

Thanks 

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Re: Prevent forward/copy/print

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
lol... This feature isn't available in Notes or Exchange.

On 1/16/03 15:36, Jean-Claude [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I would like to disable forward/copy/print of an attachment that I email 
to somebody.  In doing so, the recipient of the Email will not be able to 
forward/copy/print the attachment.  This feature is available in Lotus 
Notes.  Does anyone know if MS Exchange - MS Outlook allow you to do that. 
Thanks, 

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Re: Permissions problem

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
Look at the IS object.. Receive as is the right you are looking for.

On 1/16/03 15:56, Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



On an individual users mailbox rights, Everyone has permission to read. 

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-Original Message- 
From: Boynton, Todd 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:54 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: RE: Permissions problem 


That's not entirely acurate.  Everyone has rights to Create named 
properties.. Blah blah, but that's it. 

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-Original Message- 
From: Boynton, Todd 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:45 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: RE: Permissions problem 


Looking through ESM and the mailbox store Everyone has no rights but 
also no denies. 

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-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:26 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: Permissions problem 


Users can only do what they have permissions to do. Since a version of 
Exchange is not listed, I'll just toss out a WAG and suggest you look at 
the 
permissions the everyone group has in the Exchange Admin. 

On 1/16/03 15:12, Boynton, Todd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 





Help!! 

Users seem to be able to open everyone else's mailboxes with full 
permissions.  Users are able to set up additional profiles in Outlook 
and specify a different user and they are not prompted for a password. 
I had noticed it on my machine and I just chaulked it up to being logged 

in as administrator, but it seems that everyone can do it. 

I haven't found anything blantantly obvious so I figured I send it out 
to you folks and see what you came back with. 



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Re: Rules Wizard Issue

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
More likely user error...

On 1/16/03 15:54, Scoles, Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Tried this and it makes things worse, I can't get rules after it to 
work.  Here is something else that is interesting.  I tried to create a 
dummy rule in front of it to filter fake messages, but it does not 
aleviate the situation. Anyways, I have to assume this is a bug with 
Outlook 2002.  I did not find anything on Microsofts web page yet. 
Thanks anyways. 


Damian 

-Original Message- 
From: Durkee, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:31 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: RE: Rules Wizard Issue 


You might try adding and stop processing more rules to the end of your 
rules. 

-Peter 


-Original Message- 
From: Scoles, Damian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:53 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Rules Wizard Issue 


I have a rule setup to move a message when it comes in if it matches 
certain criteria in the recipient address.  The messages is copied to 
the folder in the rule, but it does not remove the original from the 
Inbox. 
I've done these rules a million times, so I cannot imagine what I've 
done wrong.  Here is what I have on my PC: 

Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625) 
Exchange 2000 

The rules are client only and the Outlook client is up when it happens. 
Am I missing something?  Thanks 

Damian 

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RE: Rules Wizard Issue

2003-01-16 Thread Scoles, Damian
Chris,
Here is a text copy of the rules I have:


Apply this rule after message arrives
With [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the recipient's address
Move it to the Exchange folder

And

Apply this rule after message arrives
With [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the recipient's address
Move it to the Ntsysadmin folder


However, only one will work at a time.  Hope this clarifies things.



Damian

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From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:05 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Re: Rules Wizard Issue


Choose move instead of copy in the rules creation process.

On 1/16/03 12:52, Scoles, Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I have a rule setup to move a message when it comes in if it matches 
certain criteria in the recipient address.  The messages is copied to 
the folder in the rule, but it does not remove the original from the 
Inbox. 
I've done these rules a million times, so I cannot imagine what I've 
done wrong.  Here is what I have on my PC: 

Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625) 
Exchange 2000 

The rules are client only and the Outlook client is up when it happens. 
Am I missing something?  Thanks 

Damian 

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Re: Rules Wizard Issue

2003-01-16 Thread Chris Scharff
Both ought to be subscribed to PFs as described in the FAQ, instead of going
directly to you... However, create a contact for each object and create your
rule based on messages sent 'to a person or distribution list'[ (and select
the proper contact for each). 

On 1/16/03 16:03, Scoles, Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Chris, 
Here is a text copy of the rules I have: 


Apply this rule after message arrives 
With [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the recipient's address 
Move it to the Exchange folder 

And 

Apply this rule after message arrives 
With [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the recipient's address 
Move it to the Ntsysadmin folder 


However, only one will work at a time.  Hope this clarifies things. 



Damian 

-Original Message- 
From: Chris Scharff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:05 PM 
To: Exchange Discussions 
Subject: Re: Rules Wizard Issue 


Choose move instead of copy in the rules creation process. 

On 1/16/03 12:52, Scoles, Damian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 



I have a rule setup to move a message when it comes in if it matches 
certain criteria in the recipient address.  The messages is copied to 
the folder in the rule, but it does not remove the original from the 
Inbox. 
I've done these rules a million times, so I cannot imagine what I've 
done wrong.  Here is what I have on my PC: 

Outlook 2002 (10.2627.2625) 
Exchange 2000 

The rules are client only and the Outlook client is up when it happens. 
Am I missing something?  Thanks 

Damian 

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RE: Prevent forward/copy/print

2003-01-16 Thread Mark Jeremy
You must have meant PDF files. You can set the restriction of not being
able to print/copy/modify pdf files.

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jean-Claude
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:36 PM
To: Exchange Discussions
Subject: Prevent forward/copy/print


I would like to disable forward/copy/print of an attachment that I
email to somebody.  In doing so, the recipient of the Email will not be
able to forward/copy/print the attachment.  This feature is available in
Lotus Notes.  Does anyone know if MS Exchange - MS Outlook allow you to
do that. Thanks,

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