Re: [Factor-talk] Startup time

[Jim Mack]

Forgive me if I sounded like I was pushing.  I am working daily in OS
development where tools like grunt are commonly accepted, and developers
accept choices that maximize their power/ease over many other concerns.  I
never heard the slippery slope argument used against node.js, and it would
surely lose!

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Timothy Hobbs  wrote:

> Just so you understand the gif, what happens is a client starts up. It
> grabs a lock on the counter file. It reads the counter file. If the
> counter is zero, it launches the service. If it is greater than zero,
> then it connects to the service. After launching or connecting to the
> service, it increments the counter, and releases the lock on the lock
> file. When a client closes, it sends a command to the service, which
> then grabs a lock on the lock file. Decriments the counter, and if the
> counter is now zero, it shuts down, otherwise it merely releases the
> lock. There are no race conditions with this method. If two clients
> start up at the same time, they will have to wait in line for a
> connection to the lock file. If a client shuts down at the same time as
> another client starts up, this to means that the service and the client
> will have to wait their turns for the lock, and therefore, no races...
>
>
> On 02/01/2017 11:16 PM, Timothy Hobbs wrote:
> > You can use a dbus on-demand service or your own locking mechanism, if
> > you, like me, don't like dbus. Here is a gif which describes the process
> > for starting and stopping a race-free on demand service
> > http://timothy.hobbs.cz/subuser-client-service/lock-file.gif using
> > standard lock files. You can modify this method, so that the service
> > remains running for a certain number of seconds after the client counter
> > has reached zero, so that in a sequential shell script, you wouldn't be
> > launching and stopping the service over and over again.
> >
> > However, what I was refering to, with shared executable memory, has
> > nothing to do with background daemons. It is a feature that is built
> > into most modern OS kernels. Many kernels load memory pages that are
> > marked as executable as read-only, and share those pages between
> > processes. This greatly reduces startup times, and also improves
> > security (marking them read only that is). It has the dissadvantage,
> > that self modifying code is impossible. Factor, being a weird system
> > that self-modifies itself, cannot take advantage of this mechanism at
> > all. So we'll have to do something more advanced, like use criu, which I
> > linked to previously.
> >
> > On 02/01/2017 11:10 PM, pet...@riseup.net wrote:
> >> On 2017-02-01 19:40, Jim Mack wrote:
> >>> So why not create a separate small process that passes on its
> >>> parameters to
> >>> a running factor if it can find it, or starts a new one if it can't?
> >>>
> >> That's like running a server and sending requests to it. I take several
> >> issues with that:
> >>
> >> 1 - I need one instance to have *all* my libraries, present and future
> >> to be pre-loaded. But more importantly:
> >> 2 - a typical shell script can call a dozen external executables. Some
> >> will be in C, some in bash, some in python, some in perl etc. If every
> >> language would need a huge server to run, where would that leave us?
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Timothy Hobbs 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Have you tried loading the
> >>>> factor interpreter in the background and seeing if factor launches
> >>>> quicker while another factor process is running?
> >> I did what I think is fair - started it once so everything necessary
> >> gets cached in RAM and discard that run. As noted above I don't think
> >> running a server for each possible language is a good solution.
> >>
> >>
> >> Feel free to contradict me gentlemen, I'm open to discussion, but I do
> >> have my own opinion of what is acceptable and transferable to other PCs
> >> / colleagues. I'm not looking for some local hack to speed things up but
> >> a general solution that doesn't put any more burden on the end users
> >> than it is necessary.
> >>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Startup time

[Jim Mack]

So why not create a separate small process that passes on its parameters to
a running factor if it can find it, or starts a new one if it can't?

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Timothy Hobbs  wrote:

> One thing that occures to me, is that bash is cheeting. Bash actually
> takes longer than that to load to memory, but because it is already
> running on your system, on linux at least, the new bash process shares
> executable memory with the old bash processes. Factor probably loads
> everything to DATA sections of memory (which are read-write) and
> therefore linux cannot share all of that effort that has gone into
> loading the factor process. I'm not an expert on how this works, so
> please don't yell at me if I'm wrong ;). Have you tried loading the
> factor interpreter in the background and seeing if factor launches
> quicker while another factor process is running?
>
>
> On 02/01/2017 16:31, pet...@riseup.net wrote:
> > On 2017-02-01 15:16, John Benediktsson wrote:
> >> I did that and it's not a huge amount, maybe 10-20%. We need to
> >> profile and see what else it's doing. Like I said, low hanging fruit
> >> are aplenty.
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:37 AM, pet...@riseup.net wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 2017-02-01 00:19, John Benediktsson wrote:
> >>>> Part of the startup time is calling all of our "startup hooks", of
> >>>> which I
> >>>> have 35 right now in my Factor instance, in all of these
> >>>> vocabularies:
> >>>>
> >>>> {
> >>>>"alien"
> >>>>"destructors"
> >>>>"alien.strings"
> >>>>"io.backend"
> >>>>"source-files.errors"
> >>>>"compiler.units"
> >>>>"vocabs"
> >>>>"io.files"
> >>>>"vocabs.loader"
> >>>>"command-line"
> >>>>"threads"
> >>>>"cpu.x86.features"
> >>>>"io.thread"
> >>>>"core-foundation.run-loop"
> >>>>"environment"
> >>>>"io.backend.unix:signal-pipe-thread"
> >>>>"io.launcher"
> >>>>"random.unix"
> >>>>"bootstrap.random"
> >>>>"io.sockets:ipv6-supported?"
> >>>>"openssl"
> >>>>"tools.crossref"
> >>>>"cocoa"
> >>>>"io.files.temp"
> >>>>"tools.deprecation"
> >>>>"core-foundation"
> >>>>"vocabs.cache"
> >>>>"vocabs.refresh.monitor"
> >>>>"opengl.gl"
> >>>>"opengl"
> >>>>"ui"
> >>>>"core-text.fonts"
> >>>>"core-text"
> >>>>"tools.errors.model"
> >>>>"ui.tools.error-list"
> >>>> }
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure a lot of that could be delayed in smart ways to make startup
> >>>> time
> >>>> faster, that's what I meant by low hanging fruit, but also not
> >>>> something
> >>>> that anyone is working on right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> John.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 12:40 PM,  wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2017-01-30 18:14, Timothy Hobbs wrote:
> >>>>>> If you are on linux, you might try this very new feature:
> >>>>>> https://criu.org/Main_Page
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 01/30/2017 17:29, Jim Mack wrote:
> >>>>>>> You could also set up factor as a local web server, and send bash
> >>>>>>> requests to it through a web page, and it would be able to
> >>>>>>> accomplish
> >>>>>>> them locally (or remotely) and report you the results.  It would
> >>>>>>> be a
> >>>>>>> quick round-trip cycle with great feedback and the ability to
> >>>>>>> bookmark
> >>>>>>> commands.
> >>>>>>>
&g

Re: [Factor-talk] Startup time

[Jim Mack]

You could also set up factor as a local web server, and send bash requests
to it through a web page, and it would be able to accomplish them locally
(or remotely) and report you the results.  It would be a quick round-trip
cycle with great feedback and the ability to bookmark commands.

On Sun, Jan 29, 2017 at 1:39 PM,  wrote:

> On 2017-01-29 16:20, John Benediktsson wrote:
> > It would be nice to improve startup time. I imagine some low hanging
> > fruits if we looked deeply into it. I'll make a note to get that on my
> > list, unless someone looks into it sooner.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, pet...@riseup.net wrote:
> >>
> >> I spend a lot of time writing small scripts, often in bash. That is
> >> becoming a more and more painful task as bash is a nice-enough
> >> language
> >> on the first look but in the end it seems to go out of it's way to
> >> trip
> >> you up with every character you type. I don't mean to rant, I know
> >> it's
> >> an old language that has to keep a lot of backward compatibility and
> >> it
> >> actually still serves very well for what it was designed for, as long
> >> as
> >> your script stays <100 lines. Still, there's a lot to be desired.
> >>
> >> Factor is a cool language, it's very expressive, mature, has a lot of
> >> libraries and has all sorts of tricks up its sleaves to bend it to
> >> your
> >> will (much like lisp in that regard). It would be a fun experiment to
> >> write a library or EDSL (embedded DSL) for bash-like scripting.
> >> However
> >> there's a bone to be picked:
> >>
> >> $ time bash -c ''
> >> bash -c ''  0.00s user 0.00s system 94% cpu 0.004 total
> >>
> >> $ time factor-vm -e=''
> >> factor-vm -e=''  0.12s user 0.05s system 99% cpu 0.178 total
> >>
> >> I know one can create a custom image and maybe cut down on the startup
> >> a
> >> bit, but my question is - would it be possible to cut it down to
> >> bash's
> >> startup time *and* still have all the necessary vocabularies in it? I
> >> don't want to know the startup time with a small image that has like
> >> nothing in it, I can quickly test that myself. I'd need help to answer
> >> -
> >> if you imagine the use case I'm talking about, include all the vocabs
> >> that use case would need and make all other possible optimizations (if
> >> there are) without sacrificing too much, can the startup reach similar
> >> times?
> >>
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>
> you think you can reach similar startup times? That would be really
> cool. I guess your todo list is rather long though.
>
> As a side note, are there other concatenative languages you know I could
> look at?
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Re: [Factor-talk] Ratio vs. Float

[Jim Mack]

Could you subtract the two numbers, then check the abs value < 0.001?

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Björn Lindqvist  wrote:

> If you enter -81/2 instead of -40.5 it should work.
>
> 2017-01-20 0:07 GMT+01:00 Alexander Ilin :
> > Thank you, Jon, now I understand what the problem is.
> > Unfortunately, in my case I can't use `number=` because the comparison is
> > done by the unit-test word.
> > In the following code the first test succeeds, but the second one fails:
> >
> > ```
> > { 15 } [ 10 20 middle ] unit-test
> > { -40.5 } [ -50 -31 middle ] unit-test
> > ```
> >
> > 20.01.2017, 01:30, "Jon Harper" :
> >
> > Hi,
> > you have to use number= to compare numbers with different types.
> > http://docs.factorcode.org/content/word-number=,math.html
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > Jon
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 10:50 PM, Alexander Ilin 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> >   I'm a bit confused. Why is following not true?
> >
> >   `81/2 40.5 =`
> >
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Re: [Factor-talk] PDF

[Jim Mack]

As web is central to everything I do, and all reporting and most UI now
accomplished through basically identical HTML generation, you may consider
a HTML to PDF conversion utility, for example  http://wkhtmltopdf.org/



On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 8:35 AM, John Benediktsson  wrote:

> The PDF stream writer works pretty well for what I wanted it for, allowing
> you to output using our formatted stream protocol (e.g. ``stream-format``)
> with font sizes and colors etc. specified.  The main entry point for that
> is ``with-pdf-writer``, then when the quotation (which should print / write
> / format stuff output) finishes the object on the stack is the pdf, which
> would need to be written to file something like:
>
> [ ... ] with-pdf-writer pdf>string
> /path/to/output.pdf utf8 set-file-contents
>
> It doesn't currently support things like setting page numbers and header
> and footers, and table support could be a bit better, but the building
> blocks are there if you wanted to.
>
> If that doesn't provide what you need, other ideas are to wrap the many
> PDF libraries available in many other languages.
>
> Best,
> John.
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 6:23 AM, Jon Harper 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> there is http://docs.factorcode.org/content/vocab-pdf.html and its
>> children.
>>
>> I haven't used it, but it is for example used to generate the docs in pdf
>> using pdf streams.
>>
>> Jon
>>
>>
>> Le 20 déc. 2016 08:39, "Alexander Ilin"  a écrit :
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>>   Is there a way to generate PDF documents from within Factor?
>>
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Re: [Factor-talk] DOS Encoding

[Jim Mack]

Are you talking about the characters that used to be used in character
based windows apps?  LIke on this page from 179-218 or so?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_page_437



On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 3:52 PM, John Benediktsson  wrote:

> does it work to just use binary and then do ``>string``?
>
> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Alexander Ilin  wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I'd like to parse some log-files created by an old-style DOS program.
>> They contain pseudographics characters for drawing frames and tables.
>> Technically, that's not ASCII, but a superset with all 8 bits used.
>> Do we have an 8-bit encoding that would support that? I took a look at
>> the basis\io\encodings\8-bit\ folder, but among those latin1-latin10
>> encodings nothing screams "DOS Pseudographics".
>>
>> A little guidance here, anyone?
>>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Desperate UI help

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Also consider having your ui consist of an embedded web browser that
browses to itself.  Factor serves web pages and can, IIRC, embed a web
browser under its control that browses to localhost.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 4:08 PM, John Benediktsson  wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> The "UI" is a cross-platform interface built on OpenGL and we haven't
> implemented cross-platform popups or modal dialogs. The current popups are
> rendered into the window.
>
> However, we support on each platform calling any of the native UI's. So
> basically anything you can create on the native interface is available from
> within Factor, just not wrapped nicely and made available for
> cross-platform use.
>
> So basically, is there a way to call the native UI directly to solve your
> issue?
>
> Thanks,
> John,
>
>
> > On Feb 21, 2015, at 3:57 PM, Mark Green 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Most problems can render outside of their window if needed for a menu.
> For example, try shrinking your web browser window vertically so that only
> one line or so of the web page is visible, then right-clicking in the
> visible space.
> >
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Re: [Factor-talk] Cookbook and Learning

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construct a hello visitor web page
construct a hello visitor gui

Use factor ide as best rpm calculator ever!




On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Loryn Jenkins  wrote:

> Graham
>
> What type of tutorials would you find useful?
>
> Loryn Jenkins
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 10:34 PM, graham telfer wrote:
>
>> The lack of tutorials for Factor is a major bugbear. I have found The
>> Rosetta Code site very useful because you can compare Factor code with a
>> language you already know for many different problems.
>>
>> Chapter 4 of Thinking Forth is also useful because it has a lot of good
>> advice about factoring code.
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Re: [Factor-talk] teaching

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I know that learning Forth, and "Learning Forth" by Leo Brodie, was the
most important part of my self education in the 80s.  And Factor has made
me think more clearly, even as I program in C# for my day job, and
javascript for my node projects.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:39 AM, Alexander Mueller  wrote:

> dunnoh, trying to switch to factor as a language in a curriculum would
> imply reordering the courses.
>
> for university i'd say it's possible but not easily so because you'd need
> to change the sequence in which things are taught imho - so you have a
> gentle introduction (explain everything you'd need to learn in theoretical
> informatics first before going dipping into practical informatics since you
> can't really go concurrently).
>
> i would say though that the migration cost would be too high (too much
> trouble for not much gain) - i wouldn't be able to say what advantage there
> would be compared to using python/haskell/scheme/... besides that i like
> the syntax alot more.
>
> for school i'd say it might lack some tools so you can just throw kids at
> computers and hope that some grok it.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 1:12 AM, Leonard P  wrote:
>
>> Stacks, objects, collections, continuations, higher-order functions ...
>>
>> Anyone else think that Factor would make an ideal language for teaching
>> CS?
>>
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Re: [Factor-talk] a script

[Jim Mack]

Also, to save you some typing, try this syntax:

http://docs.factorcode.org/content/word-qw%7B,qw.html

USE: qw

qw{ DTEGY EONGY RWEO } list



On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Alex Vondrak  wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 6:05 AM, Fox McCloud  wrote:
>
>> Wondering if one stock symbol is typed incorrectly.
>>
>> Is there a way to determine the specific value in a sequence on which map
>> fails?
>>
>
> In the UI listener, clicking the "Traceback" button on top of an error
> dialog will let you see the data & call stacks at the time of the error.
> In the command-line listener, type `:s` and `:c` to see the data & calls
> stacks, respectively.  Here, "call stack" isn't even a Factor-specific
> concept: it's just like the stack trace you'd get from most other languages.
>
> In the interest of "teaching a man to fish", I won't point out the issue
> you're having, but it becomes pretty obvious when you take a look.  Your
> hunch is on the right track.  :)
>
> Hope that helps,
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Re: [Factor-talk] Out of memory error

[Jim Mack]

In a way, too many possible culprits mask each other.

I remember a problem like this that I solved by reducing the amount of
memory so the problem would show quickly, then testing small things in
isolation and volume.  Pick a subset of tests and run them multiple times
at low memory until it fails or becomes clear it won't.   Rinse and repeat.



On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Alexander J. Vondrak <
ajvond...@csupomona.edu> wrote:

> Okay, so still no luck:
>
>   - Tried skipping tools.deploy tests (just yanked deploy-tests.factor out
> of
> the 0.95 source tree before `load-all test-all`), still crashed.
>
>   - Tried skipping extra/ with `"resouce:core" load-root "resource:basis"
> load-root test-all`, still crashed.
>
>   - Tried doubling the sizes of the GC generations (./factor -young=2
> -aging=4
> -tenured=1600) to no avail.
>
>   - No particular vocabulary seems to be tripping it off, as verified by
> doing
> the above with
> ```
> \ run-test-file [
>   [ dup "~/Desktop/tests" utf8 [ print ] with-file-appender ] prepend
> ] annotate
> ```
> and having them crash at different vocabs.  The few times I managed to
> catch a glimpse of the factor process running in top, the memory usage
> just
> seemed to creep up to its ceiling as more and more tests were run
> until it
> finally aborted.
>
> It didn't use to do this (even very recently), which is what made me think
> it
> was something to do with my machine just being b0rked.  I've had weird bugs
> crop up from time to time using Debian, so it's not unprecedented.  I've
> been
> procrastinating setting up an Arch install on this machine, so maybe this
> is as
> good a reason as any to get around to that...
>
> Any other experiments I should try?
>
> Thanks for the help,
> --Alex Vondrak
>
> 
> From: John Benediktsson [mrj...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 6:54 PM
> To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> Cc: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Out of memory error
>
> It might be worth only loading and testing vocabularies in core and basis,
> to see if GVN works?
>
> On Aug 24, 2012, at 6:50 PM, "Alexander J. Vondrak" <
> ajvond...@csupomona.edu> wrote:
>
> > It seems to fail soon after the tools.deploy tests.  I tried at one
> point disabling those, but I think it still crashed.  I should check
> again...
> >
> > 
> > From: Doug Coleman [doug.cole...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 6:44 PM
> > To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Out of memory error
> >
> > 8gb outta be enough for anybody. But It's not, I guess. Try with more
> RAM or patch the part that grows to only grow to as much as you have.
> >
> > Maybe something is using way too much
> >
> > On Aug 24, 2012 6:01 PM, "Alexander J. Vondrak"  > wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Mini-update: got the unit tests for the global value numbering pass more
> > up-to-snuff awhile ago (it's like test-driven development in reverse!).
>  Still
> > seems like I should be doing more to test the new capabilities, but I'm
> not
> > sure if I could do much more than what's there.
> >
> > My efforts as of late have been focused on some GVN improvements.  But
> for the
> > past way-too-long, I thought I had broken something catastrophic because
> > `load-all test-all` would invariably crash the listener with an "out of
> memory"
> > error:
> >
> >  Out of memory
> >
> >  Nursery: Start=831c, size=10, end=832c
> >  Aging: Start=82fc, size=20, end=831c
> >  Tenured: Start=50c8, size=3214, end=82dc
> >  Cards:base=b44d0008, size=326800
> >  Aborted
> >
> > After a lot of very slow debugging (them's the breaks when running all
> the unit
> > tests, I guess) that was ultimately fruitless, I finally tried out
> Factor 0.95
> > straight from the build farm---none of my changes, no .git, just a clean
> > download of the linux-x86-32 tarchive.  And, what do you know, `load-all
> > test-all` still crashes with the same error.
> >
> > It hadn't done that before, so I think the issue may be an intervening OS
> > update I did.  I'm running a fully up-to-date Debian testing, kernel
> > 3.2.0-3-686-pae.
> >
> > 1) Can anyone reproduce this error?  Or is my machine just that jacked
> up?  I'd
> > be happy to provide other diagnostic info, if it'd help.
> >
> > 2) Any coping mechanisms?  I considered just throwing a bunch of memory
> at it
> > with command line switches (-young=, -aging=, -tenured=, etc.), but
> wasn't
> > really sure how much would do the trick, since it just started crashing
> like
> > this out of the blue anyway.
> >
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Re: [Factor-talk] Stack Depth

[Jim Mack]

How do you know the optimizing compiler does or doesn't perform one
additional read/write when the result goes to 'the' stack instead of going
to a different data structure?  I couldn't build a compiler, but I think
the registers are being used at times, and that the stack is a metaphor.
 Factor certainly is written better than simply treating each word as a
jump, which early forths did, before inlining.  It may be fewer ops to do
it the first way rather than the second, as the second actually contains
the first, plus the temp storage of cut pieces pre-pan.



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>
>
> --
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> add a final comment about why I think the stack is useful in this case.
>
> Imagine you are going to chop up a carrot to cook it. There are 2 ways you
> might go about the job: the first is to cut off a piece and then turn and
> put it into the pan ready to cook. Keep doing this, cutting one piece at a
> time, turning and putting each piece of carrot into the pan until there is
> no carrot left. The second way is to cut the carrot into pieces and then
> put all of the pieces into the pan as a single operation.
>
> I see the second way as analagous to using the stack. Do all the dividing
> then put all the values into the data structure as a single operation. I do
> not see this as using the stack as a data structure; just a convenient
> holding pen.
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Re: [Factor-talk] Factor image snapshots

[Jim mack]

Would annotations be a reasonable place to implement some level of call
recording?

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Jim mack  wrote:

> This seems similar to having a bookmark 'url' interface into the gui, that
> contains enough information to restore state, or has a key to something that
> has that extra info about what data are current.  And that seems like enough
> of a good thing to want in and of itself.
>
> It also seems similar to any undo functionality (restart and run commands
> to n-1) , also a good enough thing to want by itself.
>
> Could one solution logging certain calls bring all three benefits?
>  Snapshot + command line interface + undo?
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Andrey Onymov wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:34:21, Slava Pestov wrote:
>>
>> > The problem with snapshotting the state of the UI with all open
>> > windows and gadgets is that it gets really tricky for gadgets with
>> > associated native resources, like fonts, vertex buffers, textures, and
>> > so on. Squeak doesn't run into this difficulty because it renders to a
>> > framebuffer and implements everything itself...
>> >
>> > Slava
>> >
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:46, Joe Groff wrote:
>> > Resuming an entire program is tricky. While the Factor VM knows how to
>> > freeze the Factor heaps and thaw and revive them, on its own, it doesn't
>>
>> > know how to recreate the UI resources, network connections, and other
>> > externalities a real program depends on. Programs can register startup
>> > hooks to perform these sorts of (re)initialization tasks, but it's not
>> > automatic. A program in Factor could potentially support a full resume,
>> > if all its libraries properly register startup hooks to recreate their
>> > external dependencies, and the program saved a continuation object to be
>>
>> > resumed from the saved image.
>> >
>> > -Joe
>>
>> So, basically, you'd need ability to set up a hook that fires when
>> building a snapshot and saves another hook to restore the state on
>> restart (and support for this in all the libs, of course).
>>
>> Quite a hassle to implement.
>>
>> And anyways, start-up times for image with all dependencies compiled in is
>> quite low, so wouldn't it be easier to implement some common framework for
>> state persist/restore on applications level?
>>
>>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Factor image snapshots

[Jim mack]

This seems similar to having a bookmark 'url' interface into the gui, that
contains enough information to restore state, or has a key to something that
has that extra info about what data are current.  And that seems like enough
of a good thing to want in and of itself.

It also seems similar to any undo functionality (restart and run commands to
n-1) , also a good enough thing to want by itself.

Could one solution logging certain calls bring all three benefits?  Snapshot
+ command line interface + undo?

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Andrey Onymov  wrote:

> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:34:21, Slava Pestov wrote:
>
> > The problem with snapshotting the state of the UI with all open
> > windows and gadgets is that it gets really tricky for gadgets with
> > associated native resources, like fonts, vertex buffers, textures, and
> > so on. Squeak doesn't run into this difficulty because it renders to a
> > framebuffer and implements everything itself...
> >
> > Slava
> >
>
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:46, Joe Groff wrote:
> > Resuming an entire program is tricky. While the Factor VM knows how to
> > freeze the Factor heaps and thaw and revive them, on its own, it doesn't
> > know how to recreate the UI resources, network connections, and other
> > externalities a real program depends on. Programs can register startup
> > hooks to perform these sorts of (re)initialization tasks, but it's not
> > automatic. A program in Factor could potentially support a full resume,
> > if all its libraries properly register startup hooks to recreate their
> > external dependencies, and the program saved a continuation object to be
> > resumed from the saved image.
> >
> > -Joe
>
> So, basically, you'd need ability to set up a hook that fires when
> building a snapshot and saves another hook to restore the state on
> restart (and support for this in all the libs, of course).
>
> Quite a hassle to implement.
>
> And anyways, start-up times for image with all dependencies compiled in is
> quite low, so wouldn't it be easier to implement some common framework for
> state persist/restore on applications level?
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] sqlite-error #21 - Library used incorrectly

[Jim mack]

and the sqlite3.dll is in the factor exe folder?

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Otoburb  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've been trying to go through malu's factor-blog-gitutorial[1] and
> I'm at commit 3e91728fd6b2021fc11d, where I should be able to at least
> show the list of recent posts and create new posts.
> Using the following instructions in the listener, I keep running into
> a 500 error from Furnace.
>
> USING: blog db db.sqlite http.server namespaces threads ;
>  main-responder set-global
> [ "blog.db"  [ 8080 httpd ] with-db ] in-thread
>
> When I look into the http log (logs/http.server/1.log), it showed the
> following errors:
> [2011-01-06T01:15:32-05:00] ERROR do-request: sqlite-error
> [] ERROR do-request: n  21
> [] ERROR do-request: string "Library used incorrectly"
>
> I sprinkled debug log-messages throughout the code and saw that the
> problem occurs when attempting to execute select-tuples within the
> page-action init quotation, specifically a problem with the
> recent-posts word.
> The particular code fragments (with debug log messages removed):
>
> : recent-posts ( num -- posts )
>f  >query
>swap >>limit
>"created_at desc" >>order
>select-tuples ;
>
> :  ( -- action )
>
>[ 5 recent-posts "posts" set-value ] >>init
>{ blog "recent-posts" } >>template ;
>
> Executing the recent-posts word from the listener:
> ( scratchpad ) "blog.db"  [ 5 recent-posts ] with-db
>
> ... returns a proper result (either an empty array, or a result,
> depending on whether I entered a post or not previously).
>
> I thought that the problem might be the gitutorial, so I went and
> tried to launch webapps.blogs since they seem rather similar.
> In the listener, I typed the following:
>
> ( scratchpad ) "temp.db"  [  main-responder
> set-global 8080 httpd ] with-db
>
> However, this resulted in the same error in the http log. With
> additional debug messages in webapps.blogs, I was able to narrow down
> the issue in a similar place.
> In this case, the problem occurs when the select-tuples is called
> within the list-posts word.
>
> Checking basis/db/sqlite/ffi/ffi.factor shows the "CONSTANT:
> SQLITE_MISUSE  21 ! Library used incorrectly" line. Since that
> seemed like a sqlite3.dll lib throwing an error, I ran "db.sqlite"
> test in the listener and all of the unit tests passed.
>
> I'm hoping it's just the way that I'm setting up the environment or
> perhaps misusing with-db.
> At the limit of my Factor capabilities trying to figure this out.
>
> Further information if required:
> - Factor win32-2010-12-27
> - sqlite3 version 3.7.4
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Number to String

[Jim mack]

And sprintf / printf may be helpful.

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:07 PM, Jim mack  wrote:

> I always use present, a generic which can also be taught to display your
> own structures.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:58 PM, beo wulf  wrote:
>
>> Nice, much better than my current solution of:
>>
>> [ 20 . ] with-string-writer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Chris Double 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:28 PM, beo wulf  wrote:
>>> >   how do I convert a number to a string? The intuitive try is
>>> ">string", but
>>> > this appears to only be seq -> string, rather than a generic of:
>>> "anything
>>> > -> string"
>>>
>>> There's a 'number>string' in math.parser.
>>>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Number to String

[Jim mack]

I always use present, a generic which can also be taught to display your own
structures.

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:58 PM, beo wulf  wrote:

> Nice, much better than my current solution of:
>
> [ 20 . ] with-string-writer
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Chris Double 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:28 PM, beo wulf  wrote:
>> >   how do I convert a number to a string? The intuitive try is ">string",
>> but
>> > this appears to only be seq -> string, rather than a generic of:
>> "anything
>> > -> string"
>>
>> There's a 'number>string' in math.parser.
>>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Is this expected behavior?

[Jim mack]

Thank you so much!  I kept thinking of this as a chain with hierarchy and
missed that bro2 was an equal member of both.  (Plus, old parts of my brain
still thinks instance means the in memory instantiation of a class).

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Joe Groff  wrote:

> On Dec 16, 2010, at 10:28 PM, Jim mack wrote:
>
> I haven't figured out how to debug/step into inheritance chains/method
> order choosing.
>
>
> bro2 is both a member of power1 (through "dad") and power2. There's no
> hierarchical relationship implied between "power1" and "power2" (both
> classes are open union classes and neither class is necessarily a subset of
> the other), so when you invoke "content" on a bro2, it's ambiguous as to
> whether the "power1" or "power2" method should be called. In ambiguous
> cases, the union/mixin dispatch currently dispatches on the first
> asciibetical class for which it finds a method, in this case "power1". To
> get the behavior you want, you need to make power2 a member of power1,
> thereby mirroring the tuple inheritance hierarchy in the mixin hierarchy:
>
> MIXIN: power1
> MIXIN: power2
>
> TUPLE: dad ;
> TUPLE: bro1 < dad ;
> TUPLE: bro2  < dad ;
>
> INSTANCE: power2 power1
>
> INSTANCE: dad  power1
> INSTANCE: bro2 power2
>
> Since "power2" is now explicitly a subset of "power1" it will be treated as
> more specific, and "power2" methods will override "power1" methods.
>
> -Joe
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[Factor-talk] Is this expected behavior?

[Jim mack]

USING: accessors classes generic kernel sequences tools.test ;
IN: test

MIXIN: power1
MIXIN: power2

TUPLE: dad ;
TUPLE: bro1 < dad ;
TUPLE: bro2  < dad ;

INSTANCE: dad  power1
INSTANCE: bro2 power2

GENERIC: content ( tpl -- str )

M: power1 content ( tpl -- str ) class name>> " power1" append ;
M: power2 content ( tpl -- str )  class name>> " power2" append ;

{ "bro2 power2" } [ bro2 new content ] unit-test

I haven't figured out how to debug/step into inheritance chains/method order
choosing.
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Re: [Factor-talk] Using tuple inheritance, mixins gives me results I don't understand and lack the skills to debug/fix.

[Jim mack]

I read that and experimented enough to learn my mixin expectations from Ruby
didn't serve me :)  But, in my pasted code, I only defined dispatch methods
for the mixins.  Are you saying that the tuples can't be related by
inheritance at all?

Thanks,
Jim

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:53 PM, Joe Groff  wrote:

> On Dec 16, 2010, at 6:52 AM, Jim mack wrote:
>
> > Teaser: 4 tuple 'brothers' each have distinct mixin.  Mixins have generic
> words.  Tuples do not have any generic words defined.  Out of six calls
> through tuples, two trigger the wrong mixin.
>
> Inheritance and mixin dispatch don't mix. Try using a pure mixin hierarchy
> instead to get the behavior you expect—make a mixin hierarchy mirroring your
> tuple hierarchy, and have the child mixin classes be members of the parent
> mixin classes.
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Re: [Factor-talk] Using tuple inheritance, mixins gives me results I don't understand and lack the skills to debug/fix.

[Jim mack]

Teaser: 4 tuple 'brothers' each have distinct mixin.  Mixins have generic
words.  Tuples do not have any generic words defined.  Out of six calls
through tuples, two trigger the wrong mixin.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Jim mack  wrote:

> The code:
> http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=2075
> The tests revealing problems or my misunderstanding of expectations:
> http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=2076
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[Factor-talk] Using tuple inheritance, mixins gives me results I don't understand and lack the skills to debug/fix.

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The code:
http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=2075
The tests revealing problems or my misunderstanding of expectations:
http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=2076

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Re: [Factor-talk] Git patch

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Thanks.  I'll repeat my clone/upstream/modify/push experiment until I see
what I'm doing wrong.  :(

On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Samuel Tardieu  wrote:

>
>
> 2010/12/5 Jim mack 
>
>
>> Growing circulars had a problem pushing once rotated, so here's my
>> attempt.  I had trouble updating the read only seq slot, and expect there's
>> a better way than my cheat, but it's beyond me for now..  It includes the
>> test proving the need.
>>
>> This is my first attempt to fix anything, so please let me know what to do
>> better.  I tried forking a private repos and pushing to it, but got this and
>> don't have time to monkey much more.
>>
>> fatal: bad object 541390b56187b99df4da5716b6987f9c051babe1
>> error: pack-objects died with strange error
>> error: failed to push some refs to 'g...@github.com:
>> jimmack1963/factor.git'
>>
>> and 20 min of google browsing didn't answer, so, here it is by email,
>> which I think others have used recently.
>>
>>
> Jim, I fixed whitespace issues in your commit and set your name and email
> address:
>
> https://github.com/samueltardieu/factor/commit/c8b699a232e2baddefba643e84a8f790e7dc47cd
>
> If it looks right to you, slava can pull from
>
>   git://github.com/samueltardieu/factor.git for-slava
>
> to get this change if he hasn't got it yet.
>
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[Factor-talk] Git patch

[Jim mack]

Hi,

Growing circulars had a problem pushing once rotated, so here's my attempt.
 I had trouble updating the read only seq slot, and expect there's a better
way than my cheat, but it's beyond me for now..  It includes the test
proving the need.

This is my first attempt to fix anything, so please let me know what to do
better.  I tried forking a private repos and pushing to it, but got this and
don't have time to monkey much more.

fatal: bad object 541390b56187b99df4da5716b6987f9c051babe1
error: pack-objects died with strange error
error: failed to push some refs to 'g...@github.com:jimmack1963/factor.git'

and 20 min of google browsing didn't answer, so, here it is by email, which
I think others have used recently.

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[Factor-talk] Win XP pro 32 bit running furnace got this error

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I'd be glad to help debug further if there is any more info needed.

C:\factor\work>..\factor
Loading C:\Documents and Settings\jmack/factor-rc
Error in thread 1617 (Thread, [ ~array~ set-datastack 80 httpd ]):

winsock-exception
n  -1
string "Unknown error 0x"

(U) Quotation: [ set-namestack init-catchstack self quot>> call -> stop ]
(O) Word: start-server
(O) Word: set-servers
(O) Word: (make-servers)
(O) Word: 
(O) Method: M\ object (server)
(O) Word: winsock-return-check
(O) Word: winsock-exception
(O) Method: M\ object throw
(U) Quotation: [
63 special-object error-thread set-global
continuation -> error-continuation set-global
[ original-error set-global ] [ rethrow ] bi
]
You have triggered a bug in Factor. Please report.
error: 16
arg 1: 108
arg 2: f
Starting low level debugger...
  Basic commands:
q-- continue executing Factor - NOT SAFE
im   -- save image to fep.image
x-- exit Factor
  Advanced commands:
d   -- dump memory
u  -- dump object at tagged 
.  -- print object at tagged 
t-- toggle output trimming
s r  -- dump data, retain stacks
.s .r .c -- print data, retain, call stacks
e-- dump environment
g-- dump generations
data -- data heap dump
words-- words dump
tuples   -- tuples dump
refs   -- find data heap references to object
push   -- push object on data stack - NOT SAFE
code -- code heap dump
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Re: [Factor-talk] Emacs/FUEL; web server; sqlite installation for Factor

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On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:04 AM, Shaping  wrote:

> Jim, does your web-server example work for you?  The example you posted
> failed for me during init-db.  init-db successfully creates the user adhoc
> subdirectory, and then fails shortly after this, but I could not determine
> with the walker the exact problem.  The stack trace I posted showed a
> call-effect-unsafe problem.  I do not know what this means.
>
>
>
> Is there a special procedure for installing the sqlite3.* files?  I am
> assuming not.  I put them in the Factor working directory.  I did this based
> on your original instructions in your first posting on the web server.
>
>
>
I have noticed your asking this, but don't have an answer for you on
Windows.  We've already covered where to get the dlls from, and where to put
them - your factor home folder.  From that point all the sqlite attempts
worked for me.

I am more of an end user than many of these other guys on here, so I don't
have any answers.  I once learned everything I could about any computer I
had, but gave that up several platforms ago - I never seemed to use the
info, there isn't room any more, etc.

My suspicion is that there is some kind of permission problem, or a 64 bit
issue.  Do you have another MS machine you can play on to test this?  I
switch back and forth between mac and windows and often get clues from
that.  Maybe you could get past this awkward learning period by booting to
linux and playing there, using the built in emacs editor.  Then, gradually
shift to windows - then you know you're doing it 'right' and the only issue
is the platform.  I do this for all my open source work.

I have learned some walker/debugger tricks.  One that may have already
occurred to you is to use a grep tool to find likely places for something to
happen, put a B in the source every where (maybe with some kind of
marking/numbering system like
"name of proc" drop
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Re: [Factor-talk] Emacs/FUEL

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There's an argument to be had for sticking to what you already use and love,
and making that work better.  I personally tried a few, and had used the sci
editor in the past on windows, but gravitated back to my editpadpro.  I then
found ways to get an imperfect syntax highlighter going - they provide a
regular expr tool interface and now it handles nested [ & {, highlights the
first word after a : at the beginning of line, pulls attention to strings,
and bolds out the operators like cleave and bi that are so common.  That was
enough to get it out of the way for now.  I did just find out how to get a
clickable link to the offending file when an autouse triggers an additional
file, and that's made things more fun as well.  Did you know that if you're
in the error browser, clicking a particular error will focus you to that
line in some editors, editpadpro included?  You can try it for free; I've
been using it since it was made.  http://www.editpadpro.com/



On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Joe Groff  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Shaping  wrote:
>
>> ErgoEmacs is too slow.  I've uninstalled it and I'm going back to regular
>> Emacs 23.2.  The problem is that the scroll-wheel dynamic is very
>> sluggish--unusable really.  I think Jim noticed this earlier.  I did not
>> notice the problem until I had a need to page/scroll down in my larger
>> files.
>>
>>
>>
>> Before I reinstall Emacs, is there any other option for Factor-editor
>> integration with color and formatting on Windows?  I like the REPL
>> integration very much, but will do without it, if I can have a normal
>> Windows keyboard binding, like Notepad++'s .  The vocab for Notepadpp looks
>> like it provides only an ability to launch the editor.
>>
>
> Nothing is as fully developed as FUEL. You can try using the TextMate
> plugin with the e text editor from http://www.e-texteditor.com/, which is
> compatible with TextMate bundles. Its syntax highlighting should work out of
> the box, but the REPL interaction support relies on MacOS X's Services
> feature and would have to be ported to use another communication mechanism
> to interact with Factor on Windows.
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Re: [Factor-talk] factor self modify source

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http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=2056

I think too many would be irritated by the clipboard changing, so perhaps
this should be opt-in, so I'm not thinking this is a submission, but it may
be interesting to some.  I find it useful.  D

On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Joe Groff  wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Jim mack  wrote:
>>
>> When you activate auto use, and get told the correct USING: clause, I
>> think I'd like to either type a word or have a setting that updates the
>> source file.  I am close to being able to implement this myself (although I
>> wouldn't mind any amount of direction)
>>
>
> I see. As you mentioned, it's possible to conflict with unsaved changes
> when updating files directly from Factor. You could definitely add some code
> updating tools that had to be manually applied, because a user would then
> have to explicitly coordinate their saving and updating actions. Automatic
> modification would be dangerous.
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] factor self modify source

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>
> I don't use fuel/emacs, and so have a few steps when presented with a new
>> USING: clause.  Has anyone tried but discarded the thought of a word to
>> update the code after a restart, for those of us with less than perfect
>> editor integration?  Is there a concern outside of overwriting changes in
>> progress?
>
>
> Press F2 in the graphical listener (or type "refresh-all" in the terminal
> listener) and any changed source files will be reloaded. Is that what you
> had in mind?
>
When you activate auto use, and get told the correct USING: clause, I think
I'd like to either type a word or have a setting that updates the source
file.  I am close to being able to implement this myself (although I
wouldn't mind any amount of direction)


> Check out Doug's "annotations" vocab.
>
> ( scratchpad ) USE: annotations
> ( scratchpad ) : foo ( x y -- z )
> !TODO handle divide by zero
> / ;
> ( scratchpad ) TODOs.
> Computing usage index... done
> IN: scratchpad : foo ( x y -- z )
>
>
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>
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[Factor-talk] factor self modify source

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I don't use fuel/emacs, and so have a few steps when presented with a new
USING: clause.  Has anyone tried but discarded the thought of a word to
update the code after a restart, for those of us with less than perfect
editor integration?  Is there a concern outside of overwriting changes in
progress?

--

Something in me also is drawn to a word like
TODO: This stinks!

and having it generate a list, presumably
: TODO. ( -- ) ! prints list
1) SOURCE.Line32 This stinks!
2) LISTENER.2010/11/22 8:00pm always get confused about xxx
 with maybe the words
: go-to ( n -- )  ! calls editor
: todone ( n -- ) !  timestamping and commenting that line out.

Is there anything close already existing, other than as a feature of editor
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Re: [Factor-talk] loading of webapps.site-watcher

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We can't seem to get the below simple high level db-tuple example going,
which may be easier to debug if it is sqlite problem.  Shaping, this prints
a folder to 'Look in:'.  Does it actually create that folder? If not, we
have a permissions problem, perhaps.  A file called "adhoc.sqlite" should
appear upon execution of init-db, or nothing further can work, so please
remind me of the results of the above two expectations.

USING: db.types db.tuples db.sqlite io.directories fry db calendar ;

TUPLE: entity id author date content ;

entity "entity" {
{ "id" "ID" INTEGER +db-assigned-id+ }
{ "author" "AUTHOR" { VARCHAR 256 } +not-null+ } ! uid
{ "date" "DATE" TIMESTAMP +not-null+ }
{ "content" "CONTENT" TEXT +not-null+ }
} define-persistent

: blog-db ( -- db ) "adhoc" home prepend-path [ make-directories ] [
"adhoc.sqlite" append-path ] bi  ;
: with-blog-data ( quot -- ) '[ blog-db _ with-db ] call ; inline
: init-db ( -- )  [
entity ensure-table
 ] with-blog-data ;

"adhoc" home prepend-path "Look in: " prepend .

init-db

entity new "Jim" >>author now >>date "blog entry" >>content

[ insert-tuple ] with-blog-data

entity new "Shaping" >>author now >>date "blog entry reply" >>content

[ insert-tuple ] with-blog-data

[ entity new select-tuples ] with-blog-data

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Re: [Factor-talk] How do I construct a sequence from valuesonthestack

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Thank you!  The way I was thinking about it, it wouldn't compile, thinking |
took precedence.

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Chris Double wrote:

> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Jim mack  wrote:
> > ws = " " | "\t" => [[ >string whitespace boa ]]
>
> Change this to:
>
> > ws = (" " | "\t") => [[ >string whitespace boa ]]
>
> In the first case the => is binding to the "\t" part of the clause.
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Re: [Factor-talk] How do I construct a sequence from valuesonthestack

[Jim mack]

TUPLE: digits text ;
TUPLE: punc text ;
TUPLE: upper text ;
TUPLE: lower text ;
TUPLE: whitespace text ;

EBNF: categorize
digits = [0-9]+ => [[ >string digits boa ]]
lower = [a-z]+ => [[ >string  lower boa ]]
upper = [A-Z]+ => [[ >string  upper boa ]]
punc = [!-/:-...@[-`{-~]+ => [[ >string punc boa ]]
ws = " " | "\t" => [[ >string whitespace boa ]]
line = (ws|digits|lower|upper|punc)+
;EBNF

" 'Jim Mack.' " categorize

V{
" "
T{ punc { text "'" } }
T{ upper { text "J" } }
T{ lower { text "im" } }
" "
T{ upper { text "M" } }
T{ lower { text "ack" } }
T{ punc { text ".'" } }
" "
}

Please, how do I get the ws to function the way the other char sets do?
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Re: [Factor-talk] How do I construct a sequence from valuesonthestack

[Jim mack]

I'm having trouble with !  Is there some combination of ![a-zA-Z0-9]+ that
will match white-space or punctuation?

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:

> Thanks,
> I like this.  I will need to look into PEG.
>
> --Jeff
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Double [mailto:chris.dou...@double.co.nz]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:09 PM
> To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] How do I construct a sequence from
> valuesonthestack
>
> On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:
> > I have a string that I want to match against a regular expression.
> > However, group capture is not supported :(
>
> Here's an approach using peg.ebnf. You'll also need math.parser for
> 'string>number' and peg for 'ignore'.
>
> EBNF: parse-line
> digits = [0-9]+ => [[ >string string>number ]]
> part1 = digits:a ":" digits:b => [[ { a b } ]]
> ws = " " | "\t"
> , = "," => [[ drop ignore ]]
> any6 = . . . . . . => [[ >string ]]
> part2 = "approach" | "detect"
> part3 = "any" | "down"
> part4 = "presence" | "extension" | "delay" | "pulse" | "etc"
> line = part1 ws* , any6 , part2 , part3 , part4 ,
>   digits , digits , digits , digits ,
>   "presence" , digits , "presence" , digits
> ;EBNF
>
> "1:0,z1,approach,any,presence,0,1,1,0,presence,0,presence,0" parse-line
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] How do I construct a sequence from values on thestack

[Jim mack]

[  ] each

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:

> Thanks, but now I want to do the reverse.
> Stack Top Some WordNew Stack Top
> { 2 4 8 16 32 }   ?32
>   16
>8
>4
>2
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris Double [mailto:chris.dou...@double.co.nz]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:01 PM
> To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] How do I construct a sequence from values on
> thestack
>
> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:
> > What "word" do I need?
>
> There are worlds like 1array, 2array, 3array and 4array to produce an
> array from that many items on the stack. There is also 'narray' which
> is a generalisation of these for any number. eg:
>
> 2 4 8 16 32 4 narray => { 2 4 8 16 }
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] need help with slices

[Jim mack]

T{ slice f 0 2 "ab,cd" } >string

Remember that each, map, first will all work - but in this case work on the
char values not little one char strings.

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:

> T{ slice f 0 2 "ab,cd" }




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Re: [Factor-talk] What should I call to issue [ 8080 httpd ] in-thread again, after closing factor & reopening?

[Jim mack]

You called it on the nose - I was thinking I could rely on screen, and that
when it closed, everything it ran closed.  I will adopt dtach, thanks.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Aaron Bull Schaefer
wrote:

> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Jim mack  wrote:
> > Newbie question:  I have been using screen to start factor listener.  Is
> > there any way a factor listener could keep going, and yet not show as a
> > detached screen?  I had assumed not, so had been relying on the presence
> of
> > a screen running factor as my test of factor already running.  Now maybe
> > I'll learn how to use ps better.  :)
>
>
> Are you saying that "ps u | grep factor" isn't showing your actual
> factor process? It should be there, even if it was run under screen
> and subsequently detached. On my Linux machine, I alias factor to
> "dtach -n /tmp/factor.sock factor". It's a similar solution to just
> using screen, but dtach has a slightly different use case [1]. The
> main advantage dtach has over just backgrounding the process with
> "factor &" is that it won't be tied to your terminal session.
>
> [1] http://dtach.sourceforge.net/
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Re: [Factor-talk] Integrating Browser functionality into Listener: John Benediktsson's Syntax Highlighting

[Jim mack]

>
> I'm puzzled by the stuff inside the stack-effect syntax: "(  --  )".
>
> I thought that the tokens on either side of the "--"
>
> are just dummy variables representing, on the one hand, *strictly*
>
> the *number of input arguments and the number of results*, and, on the
> other,
>
> *loosely* the types of those arguments and results.  I must not have the
>
> right idea.  How can per-stack-position type-integrity be enforced if
>
> this is so?
>
> For the most part they are dumb, but within the desire for some convention.
   Use the predicates if you feel something is out of control and the stack
isn't in the right order.   If you want something to work from the class or
an instance, you will see conversion at time.

TUPLE: jim ;
ERROR: not-jim x ;
: only-clones ( x -- x ) dup jim? [ not-jim ] unless ;

! try each seperately
jim only-clones

jim new only-clones

"jim" only-clones

This seems to be the kind of type checking you are looking for.  It's a
little, in a stockyard, like checking each cow for cowness as it walks
around, rather than as it was admitted.  Maybe use it in the beginning, but
sooner or later trust your own code more


>
>
>
> --
>
> ( scratchpad ) : foo ( x quot: ( x -- ) -- ) call ; inline
>
> ( scratchpad ) : bar ( x y -- ) [ + . ] foo ;
>
> ! "bar" should cause an "Input quotation to foo doesn't match its
>
> expected effect" error
>
> --
>
>
>
> I don't understand above what "quot:" and more generally what "x quot: ( x
> -- )"
>
> as the before-effect of foo is doing.  The colon on the right side of
> "quot:" is
>
> confusing me, because I am trying to read RPN, left to right.  This syntax
>
> makes me want to reverse my reading direction for that expression.  I can't
>
> find any info in Browser on "quot:".
>
>
>
>
>
> If the word declares a polymorphic effect (using "..a" style stack
>
> variables to represent a variable number of values), the arities of
>
> the stack variables will be unified, and an error raised if
>
> unification fails:
>
>
>
> Does "Unification" mean "arities of stack variables are determined to be
> equal"?
>
> There is a section in Browser called "Stack effect checking".  What should
> I read
>
> besides this to understand the full significance of the stack-effect
> syntax, what
>
> it can do and not do, and how it affects compiler behavior?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ( scratchpad ) \ if see
>
> : if ( ..a ? true: ( ..a -- ..b ) false: ( ..a -- ..b ) -- ..b )
>
> ? call ;
>
> ( scratchpad ) : bas ( x y z? -- ) [ + ] [ neg ] if ;
>
> ! "bas" should cause an "Input quotations to “if” don't match their
>
> expected effects" error
>
> --
>
> I'm not understanding the English in the comment above.  Ditto for the
>
> similar comment above.  The quotes are matched, but I cannot make any sense
>
> of it.
>
>
>
> If a higher-order word declares no stack effect for its quotation
>
> arguments, the overall stack effect of the caller will still be
>
> checked when the body of the higher-order word and its arguments have
>
> been inlined.
>
>
>
> That makes sense, but I need to study a full description of the
> stack-effect syntax
>
> and it ramifications for thinking about the effects of higher-order words.
>
>
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] What should I call to issue [ 8080 httpd ] in-thread again, after closing factor & reopening?

[Jim mack]

Will do.  To get going, I had been running as root (which I know is bad, but
I could get it working)  I am now trying to start using port forwarding, so
I'll try to make sure that isn't what's causing this.

Newbie question:  I have been using screen to start factor listener.  Is
there any way a factor listener could keep going, and yet not show as a
detached screen?  I had assumed not, so had been relying on the presence of
a screen running factor as my test of factor already running.  Now maybe
I'll learn how to use ps better.  :)

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Doug Coleman wrote:

> Except, Factor already sets the REUSE flag with setsockopt.  So maybe you
> have a Factor running in the background?  Can you make a test case?
>
> Doug
>
> On Nov 15, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Jim mack wrote:
>
> Thank you!  I was looking at this more as a potential regression in factor,
> but I think it more productive to look at it as my noobieness on *nx.
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:
>
>>  See pitfall #3 in this link
>>
>> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sockpit/
>>
>>
>> I cannot help with applying this knowledge to the Factor API.
>>
>>
>> --Jeff
>>
>>  --
>>
>> *From:* Jim mack [mailto:j...@less2do.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:56 AM
>> *To:* factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
>> *Subject:* [Factor-talk] What should I call to issue [ 8080 httpd ]
>> in-thread again, after closing factor & reopening?
>>
>>
>> reopening factor, then calling to [ 8080 httpd ] in-thread  is now
>> throwing this kind of an error
>>
>>
>> [2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] NOTICE start-accept-loop: T{ inet6 f "::" 8080 }
>>
>> [2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] NOTICE start-accept-loop: T{ inet4 f "0.0.0.0" 8080
>> }
>>
>> [2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] ERROR start-accept-loop: Unix system call
>> <80><9C>bind<80><9D> failed:
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: Address already in use
>> (98)
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: It was called with the
>> following arguments:
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: 18
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: S{ sockaddr-in6 f 10 36895
>> 0 ~uchar-array~ 0 }
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: 28
>>
>> [2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] ERROR start-accept-loop: Unix system call
>> <80><9C>bind<80><9D> failed:
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: Address already in use
>> (98)
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: It was called with the
>> following arguments:
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: 18
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: S{ sockaddr-in f 2 36895 0
>> 0 }
>>
>> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: 16
>>
>>
>>
>> I am on latest stable release binaries, ubuntu 10.4 lts, linode.  I am
>> leaving the listener open in a screen.  I thought I went through months of
>> this kind of deployment successfully, where I would just git pull in the
>> work folder, close & restart factor + my vocab, and it would serve the
>> updated page.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> -

Re: [Factor-talk] Git

[Jim mack]

>
>
> Someone please check the following statements for accuracy:
>
> A == remote repo
>
> B == local repo
>
> C == local working directory including by definition the local repo (.git
> directory)
>
> 1) *clone* copies compressed files from a remote repo to a local repo,creates 
> remote-tracking branches for each branch in the remote repository,
> and creates and *checks out* an initial branch forked from the cloned
> repository’s currently active branch.  A -> B -> C.
>
> 2) *checkout* updates files in the working directory to match the version
> in the specified branch of the repo.  By default, the current branch is set
> to the specified branch.   B -> C.
>
> 3) *fetch* only copies compressed files from a remote repo to a local
> repo.  A -> B.
>
> 3) *pull*  *fetches* and then *merges* the fetched code into the current
> branch.  A -> B.   No check-out is done; so how does the repo code get into
> the working directory (C)?  In practice, I think our factor.cmd does a pull
> that puts code in the working directory, which is where the compiler goes
> for its source during the build.  So this is not clear to me.  Perhaps I
> don't understand what *merge* means.
>
Pull performs A > B, B > C.  When I work with my own hosted git repos,
github, I either do pushes or pulls exclusively, and no other commands.


> 5) *merge* replays changes from a specified branch into the current
> branch.  The changes are those resulting from commits in the specified
> branch since it diverged from the current branch.  This looks like a local,
> repo-only operation:  B -> B.
>
I think it's B' -> B, then B -> C

4) *push* copies compressed files from a local repo to a remote one, to
> update it.  B -> A
>
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] What should I call to issue [ 8080 httpd ] in-thread again, after closing factor & reopening?

[Jim mack]

Thank you!  I was looking at this more as a potential regression in factor,
but I think it more productive to look at it as my noobieness on *nx.

On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 10:32 AM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:

>  See pitfall #3 in this link
>
> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sockpit/
>
>
>
> I cannot help with applying this knowledge to the Factor API.
>
>
>
> --Jeff
>
>
>  ------
>
> *From:* Jim mack [mailto:j...@less2do.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:56 AM
> *To:* factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject:* [Factor-talk] What should I call to issue [ 8080 httpd ]
> in-thread again, after closing factor & reopening?
>
>
>
> reopening factor, then calling to [ 8080 httpd ] in-thread  is now throwing
> this kind of an error
>
>
>
> [2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] NOTICE start-accept-loop: T{ inet6 f "::" 8080 }
>
> [2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] NOTICE start-accept-loop: T{ inet4 f "0.0.0.0" 8080
> }
>
> [2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] ERROR start-accept-loop: Unix system call
> <80><9C>bind<80><9D> failed:
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: Address already in use (98)
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: It was called with the
> following arguments:
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: 18
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: S{ sockaddr-in6 f 10 36895
> 0 ~uchar-array~ 0 }
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: 28
>
> [2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] ERROR start-accept-loop: Unix system call
> <80><9C>bind<80><9D> failed:
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: Address already in use (98)
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: It was called with the
> following arguments:
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: 18
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: S{ sockaddr-in f 2 36895 0
> 0 }
>
> [] ERROR start-accept-loop: 16
>
>
>
>
>
> I am on latest stable release binaries, ubuntu 10.4 lts, linode.  I am
> leaving the listener open in a screen.  I thought I went through months of
> this kind of deployment successfully, where I would just git pull in the
> work folder, close & restart factor + my vocab, and it would serve the
> updated page.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> back to contraception, so Americans can concentrate on living their lives
> without fear of changing a job, going bankrupt from deductibles or fighting
> HMO bureaucracy."
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows

[Jim mack]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Shaping  wrote:

>
>
> There's a lot going on, so context is difficult here, but I was trying to
> go back in time before you made changes, and suggest when working on Factor
> main code, you make changes *in a branch,*  sync
>
>
>
> "sync" means to resolve conflicting changes?  I am reading the Git
> documentation from beginning to end, now, and haven't come across the term
> yet.
>
>
Git is sending around deltas with enough clues to usually accurately modify
things, and it does a good job.  Only rarely are the changes overlapping
enough to need you to resolve conflicting changes.



>
>
> with the larger community in the main trunc, not a branch, then integrate
> your stuff by merging from that branch into the main trunk.
>
>
>
> Not everyone works the same way, and the regular contributors who are sure
> of their work may have shortcuts for their preferences.  I didn't see much
> discussion over the strategy, which may help understand things like
> fetch/pull in context.
>
> I don't want to publish my changes anytime soon, only distinguish them from
> released clean-branch code, so that I can track both.
>
>
>
If you get tired of so much standing in your way of going forward, consider
doing manual things with these files, old-school (rename/move them, checkout
so you have latest, copy back over).  I get the sense there are a lot of
formalities standing in the way of your having more fun with the actual code
at hand.  Factor is wonderful, I love it with a *passion*.  I hope you find
time to discover that amid all the font changing and source code system
learning.


> Shaping
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Shaping  wrote:
>
> the work repository is a separate git base from the larger code base.
>
> I know.  This is the result of the cloning.
>
>  When you are in factor\work, git knows about your personal repository
> (assuming you have one set up) but when you are in factor, it knows about
> where you cloned from, but will ignore work as that's a personal
> distribution.
>
> I know.  I'm concerned about possible collisions with modified stock code.
> I think the point Chris is making in his step 2 is that these changes need
> to be committed, first, but he did not mention old directories , only new
> ones.
>
>
>
> Shaping.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Shaping  wrote:
>
> I only know the command line so I'll give you command line tips and
>
> you can translate them to equivalent GUI commands.
>
> 1) Clone the factor respository
>
>   git clone git://factorcode.org/git/factor.git
>
> 2) In this repository you make your own changes, including adding
>
> stuff to the work directory, editing files, etc. Now you want to save
>
> those in git so you can update safely.
>
>   git add work/my-new-vocab/*
>
>   git add any-other-new-files
>
> The problem:  what if I have editing existing files, and there are no new
> files in the vocab root directories, only changed existing files?
>
>   got commit -m "This is a message describing my changes"
>
> 3) Now you want to retrieve the latest changes from the factor repository:
>
>   git fetch origin
>
> Oops.  I did not do the last line of (2) before I did (3). I can identify
> the menu item for (3).  It reads the same.  I cannot identifiy an "add" menu
> item, except under the Remote menu, which I don't think is what we want
> here.
>
> Nothing is apparently any different in my repo, for having done the fetch.
> Does the fetched delta show up the same way my own edits do.  Maybe not.
> If so, that would explain why I don't see them in Unstaged changes (which
> are just my manually created mods?).
>
> 4) Note that step (3) only retrieved the changes. It has made no
>
> changes to your actual physical source code. To update that, assuming
>
> you've done (2):
>
>   git rebase origin/master
>
> Replace 'origin/master' with 'origin/clean-...' or whatever branch you
>
> are using from the factor repository. Probably master as that's the
>
> default. If there is a clash between your changes and the factor
>
> repository you'll get the chance to edit your changes and fix the
>
> clash. You can then do:
>
>   git add ...file-containing-fixes
>
>   git rebase --continue
>
> Or, if you are panicing, you can abort the rebase and be back to just
>
> a repository with your changes:
>
>   git rebase --abort
>
> These steps will ensure that your changes always are based on top of
>
> the latest factor repository changes
>
> That's what I want, but I don't see the mapping yet to the menu items.
> I'll look around for the GUI help.  The default help doesn't mention the
> GUI, only the command line.
>
> , making it easy to use 'git log'
>
> and friends to see what your changes are, and to contribute them back
>
> to factor one day.
>
> I just realized that work does not show in my Unstaged Changes.  Does
> anyone here use Git GUI on Windows?
>
> ...
>
> Apparently, adding (or almost adding) is the act of moving from the
> "Uns

Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows

[Jim mack]

There is a subfolder in my work folder called .git  This is what  I think of
as the repository.  When you do a git add or commit, it's  going between
these two places.  When you do a clone, push, pull, or fetch you're going to
some remote place as well.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Shaping  wrote:

> Yes. By "directory" below is meant place of the "repo", whether a local
> place or a remote one.
>
>
> Shaping
>
> -Original Message-
> From: William Tanksley, Jr [mailto:wtanksle...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 2010-November-14, 17:42
> To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows
>
> Shaping  wrote:
> >> If you have a personal git host somewhere, and there are free ones, try
> >> making two clones of the same little folder
> > I thought one clones only a repo.
>
> Every working directory cloned from a repo is itself a repo. This is
> why git is a "decentralized" and "distributed" version control system,
> as opposed to CVS and Subversion, both of which are centralized.
>
> > Shaping
>
> -Wm
>
>
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[Factor-talk] What should I call to issue [ 8080 httpd ] in-thread again, after closing factor & reopening?

[Jim mack]

reopening factor, then calling to [ 8080 httpd ] in-thread  is now throwing
this kind of an error

[2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] NOTICE start-accept-loop: T{ inet6 f "::" 8080 }
[2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] NOTICE start-accept-loop: T{ inet4 f "0.0.0.0" 8080 }
[2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] ERROR start-accept-loop: Unix system call
<80><9C>bind<80><9D> failed:
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: Address already in use (98)
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: It was called with the
following arguments:
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: 18
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: S{ sockaddr-in6 f 10 36895 0
~uchar-array~ 0 }
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: 28
[2010-11-14T19:53:33Z] ERROR start-accept-loop: Unix system call
<80><9C>bind<80><9D> failed:
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: Address already in use (98)
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: It was called with the
following arguments:
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: 18
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: S{ sockaddr-in f 2 36895 0 0
}
[] ERROR start-accept-loop: 16


I am on latest stable release binaries, ubuntu 10.4 lts, linode.  I am
leaving the listener open in a screen.  I thought I went through months of
this kind of deployment successfully, where I would just git pull in the
work folder, close & restart factor + my vocab, and it would serve the
updated page.



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Re: [Factor-talk] linode memory problem

[Jim mack]

I'm running ubuntu 10.4 lts, and just refreshed factor & rebuilt using
the ./build-support/factor.sh
update method at about 10pm Saturday. The last time I build was 2 months
ago, and the code has changed, but runs on both pc & mac using the binary
downloads as recent as a week ago.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Jim mack  wrote:

> How do I go about starting to think about this:
>
> ( scratchpad - auto ) Out of memory
>
> Nursery: Start=b6c8, size=10, end=b6d8
> Aging: Start=b6a8, size=20, end=b6c8
> Tenured: Start=b088, size=600, end=b688
> Cards:base=b080a008, size=65400
> r...@blogtation:/usr/factor#
>
> It's on the smallest linode, using port forwarding, trying to run from the
> factor listener in a screen session.  I'm a unix noobie.  The website got
> launched fine, but the first few seconds of interacting with it failed.  I
> looked in doc for the word memory, is room. detailed enough?  Does anything
> suggest itself?
>
> I am using ajax with polling every 500 ms but only one user in what you
> could think of as a chat app.
>
> room.
> == Data heap ==
>
> - Nursery space
> Size: 1,024 KB
> Occupied: 133 KB
> Free: 890 KB
>
> - Aging space
> Size: 2,048 KB
> Occupied: 194 KB
> Free: 1,853 KB
>
> - Tenured space
> Size: 98,304 KB
> Occupied: 60,667 KB
> Total free:   37,636 KB
> Contiguous free:  37,626 KB
> Free block count: 116
>
> - Miscellaneous buffers
> Card array: 405 KB
> Deck array: 0 KB
> Mark stack: 16 KB
>
> == Code heap ==
>
> Size: 65,536 KB
> Occupied: 10,131 KB
> Total free:   55,404 KB
> Contiguous free:  55,401 KB
> Free block count: 59
>
> Optimized code:   42096 blocks 6,886 KB
> Unoptimized code: 30440 blocks 2,737 KB
> Inline caches:3363 blocks  507 KB
> Profiling stubs:  0 blocks 0 KB
> ( scratchpad - auto )
>
>
> --
> Jim
> "I'm for extending the working Medicare program for our seniors all the way
> back to contraception, so Americans can concentrate on living their lives
> without fear of changing a job, going bankrupt from deductibles or fighting
> HMO bureaucracy."
>



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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows

[Jim mack]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 1:08 AM, Shaping  wrote:
>
> So why does this thing called a "fetch" exist, if it does not change repo
> state?
>

You are managing interaction between three places, and I'm not great on
using the best words, so listen for the themes as I explain my working metal
model for git :)  .  A) The remote place, B) your local git version of that,
and C) your physical file layout.  Commands like fetch work between A and B,
and you will need different commands to merge from B to C.  Most of the time
you are working between B and C - for example, commit.  When working with
your own repository for work, you use words push and pull to move between A
and C through B.  As I am not working to change my factor official code, I
can issue the pull commands which gets the source git repos into both B and
C.  If I had made some changes to C and committed them to B, no problem.  If
I have some edits in C, git will be unwilling to do anything for me, and
wisely so.

If you have a personal git host somewhere, and there are free ones, try
making two clones of the same little folder  and try moving changes back and
forth through A to and from B/C and B'/C'.  This is roughly the same as
interacting with a community, except that you are completely in charge.
 When working with the community, you have to submit requests for pulls
rather than pushing, unless you are core.
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows

[Jim mack]

There's a lot going on, so context is difficult here, but I was trying to go
back in time before you made changes, and suggest when working on Factor
main code, you make changes *in a branch,*  sync with the larger community
in the main trunc, not a branch, then integrate your stuff by merging from
that branch into the main trunk.

Not everyone works the same way, and the regular contributors who are sure
of their work may have shortcuts for their preferences.  I didn't see much
discussion over the strategy, which may help understand things like
fetch/pull in context.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Shaping  wrote:

> the work repository is a separate git base from the larger code base.
>
> I know.  This is the result of the cloning.
>
>  When you are in factor\work, git knows about your personal repository
> (assuming you have one set up) but when you are in factor, it knows about
> where you cloned from, but will ignore work as that's a personal
> distribution.
>
> I know.  I'm concerned about possible collisions with modified stock code.
> I think the point Chris is making in his step 2 is that these changes need
> to be committed, first, but he did not mention old directories , only new
> ones.
>
>
>
> Shaping.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Shaping  wrote:
>
> I only know the command line so I'll give you command line tips and
>
> you can translate them to equivalent GUI commands.
>
> 1) Clone the factor respository
>
>   git clone git://factorcode.org/git/factor.git
>
> 2) In this repository you make your own changes, including adding
>
> stuff to the work directory, editing files, etc. Now you want to save
>
> those in git so you can update safely.
>
>   git add work/my-new-vocab/*
>
>   git add any-other-new-files
>
> The problem:  what if I have editing existing files, and there are no new
> files in the vocab root directories, only changed existing files?
>
>   got commit -m "This is a message describing my changes"
>
> 3) Now you want to retrieve the latest changes from the factor repository:
>
>   git fetch origin
>
> Oops.  I did not do the last line of (2) before I did (3). I can identify
> the menu item for (3).  It reads the same.  I cannot identifiy an "add" menu
> item, except under the Remote menu, which I don't think is what we want
> here.
>
> Nothing is apparently any different in my repo, for having done the fetch.
> Does the fetched delta show up the same way my own edits do.  Maybe not.
> If so, that would explain why I don't see them in Unstaged changes (which
> are just my manually created mods?).
>
> 4) Note that step (3) only retrieved the changes. It has made no
>
> changes to your actual physical source code. To update that, assuming
>
> you've done (2):
>
>   git rebase origin/master
>
> Replace 'origin/master' with 'origin/clean-...' or whatever branch you
>
> are using from the factor repository. Probably master as that's the
>
> default. If there is a clash between your changes and the factor
>
> repository you'll get the chance to edit your changes and fix the
>
> clash. You can then do:
>
>   git add ...file-containing-fixes
>
>   git rebase --continue
>
> Or, if you are panicing, you can abort the rebase and be back to just
>
> a repository with your changes:
>
>   git rebase --abort
>
> These steps will ensure that your changes always are based on top of
>
> the latest factor repository changes
>
> That's what I want, but I don't see the mapping yet to the menu items.
> I'll look around for the GUI help.  The default help doesn't mention the
> GUI, only the command line.
>
> , making it easy to use 'git log'
>
> and friends to see what your changes are, and to contribute them back
>
> to factor one day.
>
> I just realized that work does not show in my Unstaged Changes.  Does
> anyone here use Git GUI on Windows?
>
> ...
>
> Apparently, adding (or almost adding) is the act of moving from the
> "Unstaged" to the "Staged Changes (Will Commit)" box.  This publishes to
> my clone, not to the original repo I cloned, correct?
>
> ...
>
> Why doesn't my work directory show in Unstaged Changes?  There is plenty of
> new work there.
>
> ...
>
> So I'm not sure how to do (2) yet.
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows

[Jim mack]

the work repository is a separate git base from the larger code base.  When
you are in factor\work, git knows about your personal repository (assuming
you have one set up) but when you are in factor, it knows about where you
cloned from, but will ignore work as that's a personal distribution.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 12:17 AM, Shaping  wrote:

>
>I only know the command line so I'll give you command line tips and
>
>   you can translate them to equivalent GUI commands.
>
>   1) Clone the factor respository
>
> git clone git://factorcode.org/git/factor.git
>
>   2) In this repository you make your own changes, including adding
>
>   stuff to the work directory, editing files, etc. Now you want to
>   save
>
>   those in git so you can update safely.
>
> git add work/my-new-vocab/*
>
> git add any-other-new-files
>
>  The problem:  what if I have editing existing files, and there are no new
> files in the vocab root directories, only changed existing files?
>
>
>  got commit -m "This is a message describing my changes"
>
>
>3) Now you want to retrieve the latest changes from the factor
>   repository:
>
> git fetch origin
>
>  Oops.  I did not do the last line of (2) before I did (3). I can identify
> the menu item for (3).  It reads the same.  I cannot identifiy an "add" menu
> item, except under the Remote menu, which I don't think is what we want
> here.
>
> Nothing is apparently any different in my repo, for having done the fetch.
> Does the fetched delta show up the same way my own edits do.  Maybe not.
> If so, that would explain why I don't see them in Unstaged changes (which
> are just my manually created mods?).
>
>
>4) Note that step (3) only retrieved the changes. It has made no
>
>   changes to your actual physical source code. To update that,
>   assuming
>
>   you've done (2):
>
> git rebase origin/master
>
>   Replace 'origin/master' with 'origin/clean-...' or whatever branch
>   you
>
>   are using from the factor repository. Probably master as that's the
>
>   default. If there is a clash between your changes and the factor
>
>   repository you'll get the chance to edit your changes and fix the
>
>   clash. You can then do:
>
> git add ...file-containing-fixes
>
> git rebase --continue
>
>   Or, if you are panicing, you can abort the rebase and be back to
>   just
>
>   a repository with your changes:
>
> git rebase --abort
>
>   These steps will ensure that your changes always are based on top of
>
>   the latest factor repository changes
>
>  That's what I want, but I don't see the mapping yet to the menu items.
> I'll look around for the GUI help.  The default help doesn't mention the
> GUI, only the command line.
>
>
>, making it easy to use 'git log'
>
>   and friends to see what your changes are, and to contribute them
>   back
>
>   to factor one day.
>
>  I just realized that work does not show in my Unstaged Changes.  Does
> anyone here use Git GUI on Windows?
>
> ...
>
> Apparently, adding (or almost adding) is the act of moving from the "U
> nstaged" to the "Staged Changes (Will Commit)" box.  This publishes to my
> clone, not to the original repo I cloned, correct?
>
> ...
>
> Why doesn't my work directory show in Unstaged Changes?  There is plenty
> of new work there.
>
> ...
>
> So I'm not sure how to do (2) yet.
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows

[Jim mack]

http://book.git-scm.com/3_basic_branching_and_merging.html

you can also do
1 git branch playing
2 git checkout playing
3 -- perform changes
4 git checkout master
-- you're back to level 2, but 3 is avail
5 rebuild as above
6 git checkout playing
-- you're back to your playing

git is really cool and probably a new paradigm for source control depending
on where you're coming from (although there are a few other distributed
systems that are also worthy)

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Chris Double wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Chris Double 
> wrote:
> > 2) In this repository you make your own changes, including adding
> > stuff to the work directory, editing files, etc. Now you want to save
> > those in git so you can update safely.
> >
> >  git add work/my-new-vocab/*
> >  git add any-other-new-files
> >  got commit -m "This is a message describing my changes"
>
> That last line should be:
>
> git commit -a -m "This is a message describing my changes"
>
> Note that '-a' switch.
>
> Chris.
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[Factor-talk] linode memory problem

[Jim mack]

How do I go about starting to think about this:

( scratchpad - auto ) Out of memory

Nursery: Start=b6c8, size=10, end=b6d8
Aging: Start=b6a8, size=20, end=b6c8
Tenured: Start=b088, size=600, end=b688
Cards:base=b080a008, size=65400
r...@blogtation:/usr/factor#

It's on the smallest linode, using port forwarding, trying to run from the
factor listener in a screen session.  I'm a unix noobie.  The website got
launched fine, but the first few seconds of interacting with it failed.  I
looked in doc for the word memory, is room. detailed enough?  Does anything
suggest itself?

I am using ajax with polling every 500 ms but only one user in what you
could think of as a chat app.

room.
== Data heap ==

- Nursery space
Size: 1,024 KB
Occupied: 133 KB
Free: 890 KB

- Aging space
Size: 2,048 KB
Occupied: 194 KB
Free: 1,853 KB

- Tenured space
Size: 98,304 KB
Occupied: 60,667 KB
Total free:   37,636 KB
Contiguous free:  37,626 KB
Free block count: 116

- Miscellaneous buffers
Card array: 405 KB
Deck array: 0 KB
Mark stack: 16 KB

== Code heap ==

Size: 65,536 KB
Occupied: 10,131 KB
Total free:   55,404 KB
Contiguous free:  55,401 KB
Free block count: 59

Optimized code:   42096 blocks 6,886 KB
Unoptimized code: 30440 blocks 2,737 KB
Inline caches:3363 blocks  507 KB
Profiling stubs:  0 blocks 0 KB
( scratchpad - auto )


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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows

[Jim mack]

>From http://concatenative.org/wiki/view/Factor/Building%20Factor

Building and updating Factor the easy way

Once you have a GIT checkout of the Factor source tree, you can use the
build-support/factor.sh utility to check for updates, and build Factor:

./build-support/factor.sh update

This utility automatically updates your repository, rebuilds the Factor VM,
downloads the latest boot image, and
bootstraps Factor.
This utility will work on Windows if Cygwin is installed. However, if Cygwin
is not installed, you can still build Factor using the directions below.

I don't build on windows, but from my unix host this seems to work like a
charm.

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:42 PM, Shaping  wrote:

> I have a Windows clean-branch check-out from about two weeks ago.
>
> Slava, your new changes are in only websites.concatenative?  I'm studying
> the Git help on updating a repository (repository branch?).
>
> file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/Git%
> 201.7.3.1/doc/git/html/user-manual.ht
> ml#Updating-a-repository-With-git-fetch
>
>
> I use Git GUI (not the command window), and guess that command "git fetch"
> is the same as the Remote=> Fetch From => origin.  I did that and got what
> maybe the deltas (not sure):
>
> >From git://factorcode.org/git/factor
>   f0e8593..dbfade1  clean-freebsd-x86-32 -> origin/clean-freebsd-x86-32
>   f0e8593..dbfade1  clean-freebsd-x86-64 -> origin/clean-freebsd-x86-64
>   ace41a6..dbfade1  clean-linux-x86-32 -> origin/clean-linux-x86-32
>   f0e8593..dbfade1  clean-linux-x86-64 -> origin/clean-linux-x86-64
>   f0e8593..9948004  clean-macosx-x86-32 -> origin/clean-macosx-x86-32
>   f0e8593..9948004  clean-macosx-x86-64 -> origin/clean-macosx-x86-64
>   f0e8593..dbfade1  clean-openbsd-x86-32 -> origin/clean-openbsd-x86-32
>   f0e8593..9948004  clean-openbsd-x86-64 -> origin/clean-openbsd-x86-64
>   5cc7ac4..0939515  clean-winnt-x86-32 -> origin/clean-winnt-x86-32
>   f0e8593..9948004  clean-winnt-x86-64 -> origin/clean-winnt-x86-64
>   f0e8593..f6a562a  master -> origin/master
>
> Hitting F5 in the Git GUI, though, doesn't show any changes in my repo
> directories; so that command must not be doing what I suppose it is.
>
> If you have work in progress in several vocab directories (shown in
> "Unstaged Changes"), how do you protect those from possible overwrite,
> before you commit them?  My 'work' directory work is always safe, but not
> so
> for the other directories.
>
> Another possibility is to check-out again the same Tracking Branch, but
> this
> may not be necessary.  I am just now reading all of the Git Help starting
> from the beginning, but I thought I would seek a few basic guidelines here,
> as well, so that I could update my repo now, and test the web stuff.  I
> suspect most Git users do mostly the same four or five operations,
> repeatedly, to maintain their repo.
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Slava Pestov [mailto:sl...@factorcode.org]
> Sent: 2010-November-13, 18:34
> To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've fixed Furnace to work when SSL is not available, so it should
> work on Windows now. Try this for example:
>
> USE: websites.concatenative
> init-testing
> start-website
>
> Then navigate to http://localhost:8080.
>
> Slava
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows

[Jim mack]

Thanks!  I finally had time to figure out why it was failing for me -
concatenative.factor was assigning a port to secure.

:  ( -- threaded-server )

 >>secure-config
8080 >>insecure
os winnt? [ 8431 >>secure ] unless ;


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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace

[Jim mack]

Shaping,

I apologize for being lazy before:  I usually work from an environment where
many things are already loaded.  I also kept starting from what I sent, not
what you had evolved it into. I have no idea where run-fac came from.  There
is a run-factor word in the tools.deploy.backend vocab, but 

This time I went to the minimal install, added some things to the USING
clause, and made sure it works from a downloaded state.  Here is the code
for a tuple example that works:

USING: db.types db.tuples db.sqlite io.directories fry db calendar ;

TUPLE: entity id author date content ;

entity "entity" {
{ "id" "ID" INTEGER +db-assigned-id+ }
{ "author" "AUTHOR" { VARCHAR 256 } +not-null+ } ! uid
{ "date" "DATE" TIMESTAMP +not-null+ }
{ "content" "CONTENT" TEXT +not-null+ }
} define-persistent

: blog-db ( -- db ) "adhoc" home prepend-path [ make-directories ] [
"adhoc.sqlite" append-path ] bi  ;
: with-blog-data ( quot -- ) '[ blog-db _ with-db ] call ; inline
: init-db ( -- )  [
entity ensure-table
 ] with-blog-data ;

"adhoc" home prepend-path "Look in: " prepend .

init-db

entity new "Jim" >>author now >>date "blog entry" >>content

[ insert-tuple ] with-blog-data

entity new "Shaping" >>author now >>date "blog entry reply" >>content

[ insert-tuple ] with-blog-data

[ entity new select-tuples ] with-blog-data

[ "select * from entity order by author" sql-query  ] with-blog-data
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace

[Jim mack]

I think you may not have sqlite installed.
http://www.sqlite.org/download.html precompiled binaries for ms go in your
factor folder for ease.  I have a sqlite3.def, .dll, .exe.

When I hide those, I get "the image refers to a library or symbol that was
not found at load time" which is a reasonable give-away.  Maybe it gets
closer for me because I do so much open source dev on my ms box.

On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Shaping  wrote:

>
> I just tried the part from TUPLE: to init-db and it worked on both mac
> and pc.   Was this an error message?
>
>  What did you do exactly to test it?  I trying to find all the needed
> vocabs one step at a time.  So far I've added two vocabs to the USES
> statement, and I have remaining this error:
>
> "The image refers to a library or symbol that was not found at load time"
>
> What is your context (USE:,  USING:, etc) for setup and testing?
>
> Shaping
>
> ! This is a self contained test of creating a sqlite db.  Click on autouse,
> paste & enter.
>
> TUPLE: entity id author date content ;
>
> entity "entity" {
> { "id" "ID" INTEGER +db-assigned-id+ }
> { "author" "AUTHOR" { VARCHAR 256 } +not-null+ } ! uid
> { "date" "DATE" TIMESTAMP +not-null+ }
> { "content" "CONTENT" TEXT +not-null+ }
> } define-persistent
>
> : blog-db ( -- db ) "adhoc" home prepend-path [ make-directories ] [
> "blogs.sqlite" append-path ] bi  ;
> : with-blog-data ( quot -- ) '[ blog-db _ with-db ] call ; inline
> : init-db ( -- )  [
> entity ensure-table
>  ] with-blog-data ;
>
> "adhoc" home prepend-path "Look in: " prepend .
>
> init-db
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Help Browser slow

[Jim mack]

For what it's worth, I've not had the bug, but I usually browse over the
internet docs.  I like having multiple tabs open as I explore laterally.
 And, my mac doesn't seem to slow down using help, but my xp has for the
last 8 months over multiple versions.

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:

>  It is slow after a fresh install.
>
> The browser appears to do some kind of caching, so going to some pages is
> only slow the first time.
>
> Unfortunately, this caching seems to be lost upon restart.
>
>
>
> I get this occasionally
>
> You have triggered a bug in Factor. Please report.
>
> error: 16
>
> arg 1: 44
>
> arg 2: f
>
> Starting low level debugger...
>
>
>
>
>
> Most recently when pressing the Back button.
>
>
>
> --Jeff
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Jim mack [mailto:j...@less2do.com]
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:16 PM
>
> *To:* factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Factor-talk] Help Browser slow
>
>
>
> I first noticed this on xp once I had loaded a few libraries, usually
> furnace.  Does the fresh exe seems reasonable?
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:
>
> On Windows XP the Browser that is opened upon clicking Help in the listener
> is painfully slow.
>
> For example, I clicked on Vocabulary tags, and a couple of minutes went by
> before the tags appeared.
> I then clicked on collections and another couple of minutes went by before
> the collections appeared.
>
> Is this normal?
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics

[Jim mack]

While we're talking about what perfect looks like, I would have benefited
more from actual examples.  At some point we have to step up to the plate,
and I've had that on my list as something I could contribute.  But I'm
having too much fun programming my new factor project!  Make factor less
interesting, and I'll have more time to help fix it.  :)

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Balazs Toth  wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>
> about ..a I have found a quite good explanation in this article:
> http://factorcode.org/littledan/dls.pdf
>
> 2.1.3 Stack effects
>
> Cheers,
> Balazs
>
> On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Jeff C. Britton wrote:
>
> > Adding to these suggestions, I find the language reference with respect
> > to the syntax of stack effect comments a bit too terse.
> >
> > I don't understand what ..a represents.
> > I have seen ( title/attributes -- ), and don't know if the / has
> > meaning.
> > I have seen ( seq -- seq') and  don't know what the ' represents.
> >
> > --Jeff B.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Shaping [mailto:shap...@charter.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:01 PM
> > To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
> >
> > Chris, I like your document, even though it is out of date.
> >
> > I think Balazs wants (as would I and others, I suspect) a nearly linear
> > tutorial-like instruction, including:  setting up the Git repository;
> > checking out the clean branch; building Factor from that branch; running
> > Factor; setting up your Emacs editor (pick the best editor and use it to
> > show off the color and formatting; Factor looks like hell in black and
> > white); some simple instruction on tweaking font styles and sizes in the
> > Listener, Browser, and your Emacs editor; Slava's palindrome tutorial;
> > his
> > little GUI-with-button-that-beeps tutorial; his TCP time-server tutorial
> > (and more).  Describe how to use the most often used features, the ones
> > you
> > must know to be fluent and effective, like hitting F2 in the Listener
> > after
> > saving code in your editor, to pull in and compile all changed
> > source-code
> > files, or using Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p for easily recalling and looping
> > through
> > all of your previously entered expressions, and so on.  You, the fluent
> > ones, can add some much more good stuff to this basic path of
> > instruction,
> > which should be a narrow tree with a clear path toward fluency with the
> > environ and minimal competency with the language, with a few branches
> > off to
> > side-topics, with appropriate links into the Browser help system, for
> > deeper, optional study.  You don't want to overload the new guy with the
> > massive hypertree of Factor knowledge.  It's too much, but will be
> > become
> > very approachable once a practical foundation is laid with a few basic
> > programming exercises and practical advice on how to use the tools (Git,
> > Listener, Browser, Emacs).
> >
> >
> > Shaping
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Chris Double [mailto:chris.dou...@double.co.nz]
> > Sent: 2010-November-11, 05:24
> > To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Balazs Toth 
> > wrote:
> >> - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor
> > somewhere?
> > Or at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language?
> > The
> > help system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already
> > knows
> > what he is looking for.
> >
> > The built-in help, http://docs.factorcode.org and various blogs posts
> > are what is available.
> >
> >> - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of
> > the
> > system by someones supervisor. I would like to adapt the language as a
> > supervisor, but cannot do that because of its unreal learning curve and
> > lack
> > of a handbook.
> >
> > The learning curve is not really 'unreal'. I learnt it back when it
> > had no documentation at all! That aside a printable readable document
> > would be nice. No one has stepped up to write one yet. There used to
> > be a 'Factor Handbook' PDF and maybe something like that would still
> > be useful. Here's the last version I generated from the latex source:
> >
> > http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/handbook.pdf
> >
> > (Note that it's way out of date. I just present it to show the type of
> > thing that might be useful).
> >
> >> About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the
> > help?
> >
> > I'm not sure what you mean by this.
> >
> > Chris.
> > --
> > http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz
> >
> > 
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Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI

[Jim mack]

Thank you.

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 9:15 AM, Jon Harper  wrote:

> > I never have understood the exact difference between dispatcher and
> > responder, but somehow still can get things working.
>
> A responder is any tuple that implements the call-responder* generic word.
> A dispatcher is a responder. Its call-responder* implementation is to
> dispatch the request to its responders.
>
> Jon
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI

[Jim mack]

Well, when you're doing development, any web page is an example as you're
running locally.  The jump would be to compile it as a stand-alone.  I was
impressed how easily we have an http server.  Compare that to configuring
IIS to run ASP pages, and I want to barf.  (Yes, I know that's not apples to
apples, but often I just want the core of the apple!)

If you want to follow the path of least resistance, try getting the
calculator running then modify from there.  Next, compare to the blog webapp
and try to run it from the same 'run-calculator' type word.  Blogs should
teach you enough about chloe to decide if you like it or not.

Using fhtml templates is like php development.  Play with it:

: fhtml-file ( fname -- str )  [ call-template ] with-string-writer ;

I never have understood the exact difference between dispatcher and
responder, but somehow still can get things working.

You'll probably need to know about db-tuples, although you can do quite a
bit keeping objects in memory.  Although the web page is stateless, global
variables in factor are available because there's only one instance running
all requests.  You can also temporarily violate best practices and save
whatever you want in the session, then come back later and make it more able
to run from anywhere if you need.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Shaping  wrote:

> What is currently the best example/demo involving a locally running
> web-server serving  HTML pages?  I need to get more deeply into HTML 5 and
> CSS 3, anyway.
>
>
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim mack [mailto:j...@less2do.com]
> *Sent:* 2010-November-11, 13:29
> *To:* factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI
>
>
>
> Don't ignore the possibility of deploying as a local http server and having
> a local webapp.  The server would be on the box, so it could do things
> locally, call COM, access clipboard.  It's how I'm trying to do things, and
> works cross-platform, and is only limited by your html/css skills.
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Shaping  wrote:
>
> > I would still like to convince my sup that Factor is the way to go, and
>
> > he'll want the latest and greatest Windows 7 GUI, eventually. So my next
>
> > question is:  Has anyone undertaken the task of making a more up-to-date
>
> > looking set of widgets for Factor to use when creating GUI apps, even if
>
> > those widgets/gadgets will not be used in the dev-environ itself?
>
>
>
> The widget styles for the Factor UI itself are just images, stored in
>
> basis/ui/gadgets/theme. Reskinning is a simple matter of replacing
>
> those images. But for end-user applications, you don't necessarily
>
> have to stick with the Factor UI's widgets. Since you're only
>
> targeting Windows, you can use the native Win32 APIs, or some other UI
>
> toolkit library.
>
>
>
> Yes, I was referring to the Win32 APIs.  Is anyone working on this now?
>
>
>
> This is not the best strategy, anyway, if a broad deployment is the
> objective.  The current Factor style reminds me of the Motif style.
>
>
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace

[Jim mack]

Shaping,

Somehow I'm missing context.  When/where did you see run-fac?  I just tried
the part from TUPLE: to init-db and it worked on both mac and pc.   Was this
an error message?

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Shaping  wrote:

> Jim, can you give me more context for the bits below?   I cannot find a
> definition for run-fac.
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim mack [mailto:j...@less2do.com]
> *Sent:* 2010-November-08, 12:11
> *To:* factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace
>
>
>
> ! This is a self contained test of creating a sqlite db.  Click on autouse,
> paste & enter.
>
> TUPLE: entity id author date content ;
>
> entity "entity" {
> { "id" "ID" INTEGER +db-assigned-id+ }
> { "author" "AUTHOR" { VARCHAR 256 } +not-null+ } ! uid
> { "date" "DATE" TIMESTAMP +not-null+ }
> { "content" "CONTENT" TEXT +not-null+ }
> } define-persistent
>
> : blog-db ( -- db ) "adhoc" home prepend-path [ make-directories ] [
> "blogs.sqlite" append-path ] bi  ;
> : with-blog-data ( quot -- ) '[ blog-db _ with-db ] call ; inline
> : init-db ( -- )  [
> entity ensure-table
>  ] with-blog-data ;
>
> "adhoc" home prepend-path "Look in: " prepend .
>
> init-db
>
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Help Browser slow

[Jim mack]

I first noticed this on xp once I had loaded a few libraries, usually
furnace.  Does the fresh exe seems reasonable?

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Jeff C. Britton  wrote:

> On Windows XP the Browser that is opened upon clicking Help in the listener
> is painfully slow.
>
> For example, I clicked on Vocabulary tags, and a couple of minutes went by
> before the tags appeared.
> I then clicked on collections and another couple of minutes went by before
> the collections appeared.
>
> Is this normal?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Factor GUI

[Jim mack]

Don't ignore the possibility of deploying as a local http server and having
a local webapp.  The server would be on the box, so it could do things
locally, call COM, access clipboard.  It's how I'm trying to do things, and
works cross-platform, and is only limited by your html/css skills.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 1:35 AM, Shaping  wrote:

>  > I would still like to convince my sup that Factor is the way to go, and
>
> > he'll want the latest and greatest Windows 7 GUI, eventually. So my next
>
> > question is:  Has anyone undertaken the task of making a more up-to-date
>
> > looking set of widgets for Factor to use when creating GUI apps, even if
>
> > those widgets/gadgets will not be used in the dev-environ itself?
>
>
>
> The widget styles for the Factor UI itself are just images, stored in
>
> basis/ui/gadgets/theme. Reskinning is a simple matter of replacing
>
> those images. But for end-user applications, you don't necessarily
>
> have to stick with the Factor UI's widgets. Since you're only
>
> targeting Windows, you can use the native Win32 APIs, or some other UI
>
> toolkit library.
>
>
>
> Yes, I was referring to the Win32 APIs.  Is anyone working on this now?
>
>
>
> This is not the best strategy, anyway, if a broad deployment is the
> objective.  The current Factor style reminds me of the Motif style.
>
>
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
> --
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Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics

[Jim mack]

1)  A google search:  site:http://docs.factorcode.org/  "[ ] each"
often finds what I'm looking for in the details, rather than as a
topic/word.

2)  I generate the docs html locally using a word provided and use a grep
tool.
   USE: help.html
load-all
   generate-help

  will make it in factor\temp\docs.  I move it out of there.  Lots of
files.

This is where one would generate the PDF as well.

3)  I use a grep tool on the source itself, because that includes the code
that generates the documents.

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Balazs Toth  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I don't know if my previous mail reached the list or not, but let me ask
> you once again:
>
> - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor somewhere? Or
> at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language? The help
> system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already knows what
> he is looking for.
> - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of the
> system by someones supervisor. I would like to adapt the language as a
> supervisor, but cannot do that because of its unreal learning curve and lack
> of a handbook.
> - is Factor anywhere already used commercially? Is the making of the
> language financially efficient or only a side project currently for you
> Slava? About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the
> help?
>
> Thanks,
> Balazs
>
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace, XStreams (PEGs) and some observations about Factor

[Jim mack]

Maybe the dsl aspect could be viewed as applying a layer of sugar to the
stack based workhorse.  You could easily have 'adjectives' that accumulate
into a variable, not on the stack, then a noun word that takes those options
and does the work.  This is how I accumulate attributes for the HTML
elements, and it feels like a dsl:

"Save" button <>submit
"org" id
<>form +content

button puts save into an attribute variable
<>submit uses (and clears) that variable, appends to the working collection
id puts "org" in the same place that button put things before
<>form uses the all-id variable to set attributes as it wraps what's on the
stack
+content puts it away somewhere.

This, I think, works fine for a dsl.  It also works fine if the 'attribute
value' is a field of an object on the stack, and the stack throughout this
is
( page-assembly current-chunk xx -- page-assembly current-chunk )
or sometimes going down to
( page-assembly current-chunk  -- page-assembly )

Using vocabularies, you could even keep an internal and an external version
of the word, where the stack one works faster, the other is the DSL.
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace

[Jim mack]

>
>
>
>   The current furnace paradigm has you creating many actions, then
>   sending quots to slots in them.  I've been working on something where 
> the
>   page uses a tuple and generics to process & render itself, and
>   a router determines which tuple to start with.  This all happens
>   through a single action.  So the crud operations for an object all 
> descend
>   from a general object tuple page, giving lots of places for overriding
>   behavior.
>
> The idea sounds well-factored.
>
Thanks.  It's been fun and a great way to learn.  On the other hand, you
can't give your html to a designer to have them make it prettier.

>
>  I'm not trying to make an argument that it's better, it just fits how
>   I think.  It's also not ready for prime time, but you asked, so I 
> answered
>   :)
>
>   A further squirrely thing I'm doing is generating the HTML &
>   unobtrusive JS
>
> What is unobtrusive JavaScript?
>
The dom events aren't coded within the html but require a javascript call to
hook in.  I maintain a few javascript queues during the build process, add a
request when I reneder the html for the object, then insert the queue
contents into the page at the appropriate time - some to the page load
event, some in the head, some at the end of the document.

>
> along the way, rather than having any page artifacts that get parsed
>   (chloe) or filled (fhtml).  And I've written words to add to and reuse 
> the
>   tuple slot meta data.  This is the html/form generation for a subset of
>   fields in the tuple:
>
>   content-edit-fields
>   "Org Information"  <>LEGEND <>+
>   "org-fields" all-id
>   <>FIELDSET <>BR
>   "Save" button <>submit+
>   "org" all-id
>   <>form
>   yields:
>   
> *http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=2044*
>
> I saved down the form and dropped it on Chrome and saw a reasonable 4-field
> form in a group box with a save button below the group box.   How do I
> learn more about this scheme and what you have in mind for it?  Is there a
> blog describing the idea in more detail?
>
I am still very much a newbie here, crippled by my lack of formal CS
training - I barely understand most of the conversations :)  A lot of it was
written before I knew what I now know, and I am trying to get an actual
project launched before I have time to go back and make it
non-embarrassing.  I also would like to pay my dues by helping with existing
documentation and examples, rather than adding yet another approach to an
already large body of library code.  Sadly, I still haven't built factor on
my daily (work) xp pc.  You may be an inspiration for that.

In context, I thought I was mentioning it after I had counseled you to try a
factor code-compile-test cycle that wasn't perfectly what you desired to
just get going and have fun.  I just didn't want you to think I was trying
to shut down non-orthodox ideas - factor to me represents just the
opposite.  Which I remember as a problem with forth - everyone did
everything their own way and reinvented many wheels, so it was too hard to
get started for a casual person.


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>
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace

[Jim mack]

! This is a self contained test of creating a sqlite db.  Click on autouse,
paste & enter.

TUPLE: entity id author date content ;

entity "entity" {
{ "id" "ID" INTEGER +db-assigned-id+ }
{ "author" "AUTHOR" { VARCHAR 256 } +not-null+ } ! uid
{ "date" "DATE" TIMESTAMP +not-null+ }
{ "content" "CONTENT" TEXT +not-null+ }
} define-persistent

: blog-db ( -- db ) "adhoc" home prepend-path [ make-directories ] [
"blogs.sqlite" append-path ] bi  ;
: with-blog-data ( quot -- ) '[ blog-db _ with-db ] call ; inline
: init-db ( -- )  [
entity ensure-table
 ] with-blog-data ;

"adhoc" home prepend-path "Look in: " prepend .

init-db
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Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace; Emacs

[Jim mack]

We're hampered by not having a secure connection in windows.  Slava did some
things to make it better, but it hasn't worked yet and I haven't had time to
track down why.  I feel bad I haven't given him any feedback yet after he
did this for me.   That being said, here's some fixes to
\extra\webapps\blogs that make it work up to a point:

http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=2043

The comments I've added at the end may help you get started to where you can
see the main menu.

Hope that helps a little.


The current furnace paradigm has you creating many actions, then sending
quots to slots in them.  I've been working on something where the page uses
a tuple and generics to process & render itself, and
a router determines which tuple to start with.  This all happens through a
single action.  So the crud operations for an object all descend from a
general object tuple page, giving lots of places for overriding behavior.
I'm not trying to make an argument that it's better, it just fits how I
think.  It's also not ready for prime time, but you asked, so I answered :)


A further squirrely thing I'm doing is generating the HTML & unobtrusive JS
along the way, rather than having any page artifacts that get parsed (chloe)
or filled (fhtml).  And I've written words to add to and reuse the tuple
slot meta data.  This is the html/form generation for a subset of fields in
the tuple:

content-edit-fields
"Org Information"  <>LEGEND <>+
"org-fields" all-id
<>FIELDSET <>BR
"Save" button <>submit+
"org" all-id
<>form
yields:
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Re: [Factor-talk] load-all

[Jim mack]

I understand what you're trying to do by your other posts, and I'm not
sophisticated enough to help, but I thought I should mention this, even if
it is short of perfect:  I almost always keep
http://docs.factorcode.org/open and really enjoy its clickable
definitions, plus the ability to
control-click and get multiple tabs for later browsing while still following
the current chain of interest.  And, bookmarking for later access.

Further, Google can help you find things within the source if you google
site:http://docs.factorcode.org/  .

I'm not trying to imply you should stop your search for what you feel is
perfection; merely sharing my 20/80% solutions.  I personally have gone far
off road with the website framework furnace, because Factor gives us so much
power to do it as we wish it could be done.

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Shaping  wrote:

>I did a load-All in the Factor listener.  After all words were loaded,
> I had four errors involving use of deprecated words:
>
>
>
> resource:extra/24-game/24-game.factor: 13
>
>
>
> Asset: some-rots
>
>
>
> The definition of some-rots uses these deprecated words:
>
> spin
>
>
>
>
>
> resource:extra/calendar/holidays/holidays.factor: 17
>
>
>
> Asset: POSTPONE: HOLIDAY-NAME:
>
>
>
> The definition of POSTPONE: HOLIDAY-NAME: uses these deprecated words:
>
> spin
>
>
>
>
>
> resource:extra/math/finance/finance.factor: 17
>
>
>
> Asset: ema
>
>
>
> The definition of ema uses these deprecated words:
>
> spin
>
>
>
> resource:extra/trees/avl/avl.factor: 138
>
>
>
> Asset: (avl-delete)
>
>
>
> The definition of (avl-delete) uses these deprecated words:
>
> tuck
>
>
>
> Are we supposed to keep after and fix stuff like this?  I know these are
> minor problems, but I think I will be loading everything from now on, in
> order to learn more quickly about all vocabularies.  I'm trying to tread my
> Factor  as I would a fully loaded Smalltalk image.
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] ErgoEmacs installation on Windows 7 64-bit; Factor-editor integration

[Jim mack]

Congratulations.  Sorry I wasn't able to help more.  I gave up on ergoEmacs,
maybe a little quickly, after a feeling it was dramatically slower than the
emacs I had compiled.

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:06 AM, Shaping  wrote:

>  Jim/all:
>
>
>
> I got Factor working with ErgoEmacs.  I'll report the details after I
> sleep.
>
>
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
>
> *From:* Shaping [mailto:shap...@charter.net]
> *Sent:* 2010-November-07, 02:34
>
> *To:* factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Factor-talk] ErgoEmacs installation on Windows 7 64-bit;
> Factor-editor integration
>
>
>
> Jim, I'm using the installer from
>
>
>
> http://ergoemacs.org/
>
>
>
> I'm not building Emacs.  The original Emacs is horribly unergonomic.
> Powerful as it can be as a center for all user action on a PC, it's a little
> embarrassing for its keyboard bindings, as the  creators of ErgoEmacs have
> amply explained.
>
>
>
> I want to stick with ErgoEmacs or switch to some other editor.  Suggestions
> anyone?
>
>
>
> Jim, did you get your ErgoEmacs install to work with Factor?
>
>
>
> When I open ErgoEmacs, it does its initialization.  Clicking on the edit
> field at the bottom, immediately after initialization opens a pane in the
> bottom half of the window and shows all that was done:
>
>
>
> Loading c:/Program Files (x86)/ErgoEmacs
> 1.8.1/site-lisp/../ergoemacs/init...
>
> Loading ergoemacs-keybindings/ergoemacs-mode...
>
> Loading functions...done
>
> Loading ergoemacs-unbind...done
>
> Loading ergoemacs-layout-us...done
>
> Loading ergoemacs-keybindings/ergoemacs-mode...done
>
> Loading init_load_packages...
>
> Loading haskell-mode-2.7.0/haskell-site-file...done
>
> (((fundamental-mode . minibuffer-complete-and-exit) . 2) ((fundamental-mode
> . execute-extended-command) . 3) ((Info-mode .
> Info-mouse-follow-nearest-node) . 1) ((Info-mode . mouse-drag-region) . 1)
> ((Info-mode . mwheel-scroll) . 22) ((Info-mode . info-emacs-manual) . 1)
> ((fundamental-mode . self-insert-command) . 76) ((fundamental-mode .
> shell-command) . 2) ((fundamental-mode . mwheel-scroll) . 54)
> ((fundamental-mode . delete-backward-char) . 12) ((fundamental-mode .
> kill-region) . 3) ((fundamental-mode . mouse-set-point) . 7)
> ((fundamental-mode . mouse-drag-region) . 20) ((fundamental-mode .
> minibuffer-complete-word) . 3) ((fundamental-mode . set-background-color) .
> 4) ((fundamental-mode . backward-char) . 5) ((fundamental-mode .
> delete-char) . 1) ((fundamental-mode . cua--prefix-override-handler) . 2)
> ((fundamental-mode . cua-copy-region) . 2) ((fundamental-mode .
> scroll-bar-toolkit-scroll) . 103))
>
> Loading init_load_packages...done
>
> Loading init_version...done
>
> Loading init_functions...done
>
> Loading init_settings...done
>
> Loading c:/Program Files (x86)/ErgoEmacs 1.8.1/ergoemacs/init_aliases.el
> (source)...done
>
> Loading init_keybinding...done
>
> Loading init_mouse...done
>
> Loading init_clean_menus...done
>
> Loading c:/ErgoEmacs 1.8.1/.emacs.d/.recentf...done
>
> Cleaning up the recentf list...done (0 removed)
>
> server-ensure-safe-dir: The directory `~/.emacs.d/server' is unsafe
>
>
>
> Above there is no mention of loading a file called .emacs, although you may
> wonder whether "Loading init_load_packages or init-functions or
> init_settings is a kind of synonym for the stuff in .emacs.  Apparently
> not.  I can press M-a, type "set-back-ground color", press Enter, type
> "grey", press Enter, and see the background change to grey, as expected.  I
> entered the same command
>
>
>
> (set-background-color "grey")
>
>
>
> into my .emacs file, saved it, opened ErgoEmacs, and saw no color change.
> I conclude that the init file is not being loaded.  I checked the file for
> only LF line-end termination, too.  It is correct.
>
>
>
> Turns out that the *user's* HOME variable is the one to be used.  I set my
> HOME to C:\Users\.  There is a long discussion about the
> correctness of this choice:
>
>
>
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/ergoemacs/browse_thread/thread/7699b73df70005ed
>
>
>
> Note that the first posting in the above thread say that .emacs is loaded
> from the place where HOME points.  I placed my .emacs file there in
> C:\Users\; my HOME variable points
>
> to the same place.  My init file does not load when ErgoEmacs is launched.
> I must be missing something.
>
>
>
> I was hoping to do some Factor this weekend.  That may not happen.
>
>
>
> Has anyone experience with E-TextEditor 

Re: [Factor-talk] ErgoEmacs init file not loading

[Jim mack]

Shaping,

I don't remember the order I did these things in, but here are some
artifacts I can find.

User variable "HOME" set to c:\emacs
System variable HOME set to C:\documents and settings\jmack
nothing in registry at HKCU\SOFTWARE\GNU\

.emacs file at c:\emacs.  Make sure not to use a windows editor on it,
unless it has settings for unix cr stripping.

c:\emacs
.emacs.d
 init.txt
 emacs-23.1
  INSTALL
  bin\runemacs.exe

C:\emacs\emacs-23.1\bin\runemacs.exe is where it built itself to using make.

INSTALL contains the instructions I followed:  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
1. Make sure your system has at least 120 MB of free disk space.

  2a. `cd' to the directory where you unpacked Emacs and invoke the
  `configure' script:

 ./configure

5. Invoke the `make' program:

 make

  6. If `make' succeeds, it will build an executable program `emacs'
 in the `src' directory.  You can try this program, to make sure
 it works:

 src/emacs -q

  7. Assuming that the program `src/emacs' starts and displays its
 opening screen, you can install the program and its auxiliary
 files into their installation directories:

 make install

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

As a complete newbie, I did everything exactly as specified, and made no
assumptions.  I had previously had ruby running on this xp 32 box, had
installed git.  Has emacs ever been able to start, or is this a case where
emacs starts but integration through fuel to factor is the issue?

C:\Program Files\ErgoEmacs\ergoEmacs.exe also runs for me, does not contain
any .emacs files itself.

It may be that my going with a seeming convention of c:\emacs as the base
for the gnu emacs was what helps the defaults keep together?

On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Shaping  wrote:

>  Hi Jim.
>
>
>
> I'm trying to use ErgoEmacs, but I cannot get it working either on Windows
> 7 64-bit.
>
>
>
> The contents of my .emacs file:
>
>
>
> (load-file "F:\media\repositories\factor\misc\fuel\fu.el")
>
> (setq fuel-listener-factor-binary "F:\media\repositories\factor"
>
> (setq fuel-listener-factor-image "F:\media\repositories\factor"
>
> (set-background-color "cornsilk")
>
>
>
> These lines are gleaned from the readme file that comes with the FUEL
> vocab.
>
>
>
> The contents don't matter now because the file is not being loaded by Emacs
> or ErgoEmacs.
>
>
>
> I saved the .emacs file in the ErgoEmacs install directory, in the bin
> subdirectory, in .emacs.d  and in .emac.s/server.  The .emacs.d directory is
> the only non-installation directory the installer creates.
>
>
>
> When ErgoEmacs launches for the first time, the status bar says "The
> directory '~/.emacs.d/server is unsafe".
>
>
>
> 1. If the environment variable HOME is set, use the directory it
> indicates.
>
> 2. If the registry entry HKCU\SOFTWARE\GNU\Emacs\HOME is set, use the
> directory it indicates.
>
> 3. If the registry entry HKLM\SOFTWARE\GNU\Emacs\HOME is set, use the
> directory it indicates. Not recommended, as it results in users sharing the
> same HOME directory.
>
> 4. If C:\.emacs exists, then use C:/. This is for backward
> compatibility, as previous versions defaulted to C:/ if HOME was not set.
>
> 5. Use the user's AppData directory, usually a directory called 
> Application
> Data under the user's profile directory, the location of which varies
> according to Windows version and whether the computer is part of a domain.
>
>
>
> This bit above seems thorough, but does not help with Emacs or ErgoEmacs.
>
>
>
> Where did you place your .emacs file.   Did you need to create a HOME
> environment variable?
>
>
>
>
>
> Shaping
>
>
>
> *From:* Jim mack [mailto:j...@less2do.com]
> *Sent:* 2010-November-05, 03:42
> *To:* factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Factor-talk] Working style; default font; preferred text
> styler with REPL
>
>
>
> I got gnu emacs working on my xp laptop by following these instructions,
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
> and the ones on the factor website:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html.  I was able to get
> it to call factor & compile, and to update my source file's USING: as I
> added words.
>
> Then, I played around with ergo emacs, and screwed everything up, and ran
> out of time.  I'm a newbie, just thought that piece of info would be
> confirmation that it's possible.
>
> Jim
>
>
>

Re: [Factor-talk] Working style; default font; preferred text styler with REPL

[Jim mack]

also look for "Integration with Emacs" in the article index (a link from
"home" in the browser)

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Jim mack  wrote:

> I got gnu emacs working on my xp laptop by following these instructions,
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
> and the ones on the factor website:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html.  I was able to get
> it to call factor & compile, and to update my source file's USING: as I
> added words.
>
> Then, I played around with ergo emacs, and screwed everything up, and ran
> out of time.  I'm a newbie, just thought that piece of info would be
> confirmation that it's possible.
>
> Jim
>



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Re: [Factor-talk] Working style; default font; preferred text styler with REPL

[Jim mack]

I got gnu emacs working on my xp laptop by following these instructions,
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html
and the ones on the factor website:
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/ntemacs.html.  I was able to get
it to call factor & compile, and to update my source file's USING: as I
added words.

Then, I played around with ergo emacs, and screwed everything up, and ran
out of time.  I'm a newbie, just thought that piece of info would be
confirmation that it's possible.

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Re: [Factor-talk] Windows web development problem getting around HTTPS

[Jim mack]

Thank you, Slava.  I'd volunteer but it's above my paygrade.  I hope to
contribute to the doc/tutorial effort once my current project gets launched.

Jim

On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Slava Pestov  wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Until I or someone else gets SSL working for Windows, the sensible
> thing is probably for Furnace to not require https for logins on
> Windows. I've pushed a patch with this change.
>
> The reason we don't support OpenSSL on Windows is that it doesn't
> support non-blocking IO there. On Unix, its relatively easy to use
> OpenSSL with a non-blocking descriptor. On Windows it is still
> possible, but it requires the use of a lower-level API where you
> marshall encrypted data in and out of buffers yourself before handing
> it off to the I/O subsystem. If anyone wants to take this project on,
> it would be great. Let me know and I'll give pointers.
>
> Slava
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Jim mack  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Factor doc says that secure sockets is not supported:
> > http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-io.sockets.secure.html
> > I've tried installing the now 1.0 http://www.openssl.org/ for windows,
> and
> > it hasn't 'magically' started working.  I'm out of my depth here, and may
> be
> > using the wrong terms/ideas.
> >
> > I'd like to use the code like 'blogs' in webapps.  It works fine on my
> Mac,
> > but I have to spend my day in Windows, and I think you have that user
> group
> > very well supported in general.  My first desire would be to know where
> to
> > temporarily stub out the secure stuff so I can have fake security on
> windows
> > until I test on mac & post the real stuff to linode.
> >
> > If I can't stub the security, I would like to be to be able to fake an
> > authorized login.  The code is far beyond me at this time - it's a clear
> > symbol 'logged-in-user' I need to set, but I seem to need to do this in
> some
> > kind of context.  I keep running into continuation/realm errors, and I'm
> not
> > understanding what context I need to start before setting the auth
> variables
> > that actually store the stuff.
> >
> > I've tried sending a user tuple to successful-login from my own code, but
> > run into some kind of continuation/realm mismatch (it tries to end
> something
> > I didn't know to start).  I tried setting logged-in-user in my own code,
> but
> > have a context problem, because when the blogs code tries to get it, it's
> > null, or I get a stack overflow error.
> >
> > I've made my own auth routines to work in http just to get going, and I
> can
> > make some calls to responders like blogs, but sooner or later something
> > expects furnace's auth to be set correctly.  Can someone help point me to
> a
> > way to subvert this, or authoritatively tell me I can't?  :)
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
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> >
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[Factor-talk] Windows web development problem getting around HTTPS

[Jim mack]

Hi,

Factor doc says that secure sockets is not supported:
http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-io.sockets.secure.html
I've tried installing the now 1.0 http://www.openssl.org/ for windows, and
it hasn't 'magically' started working.  I'm out of my depth here, and may be
using the wrong terms/ideas.

I'd like to use the code like 'blogs' in webapps.  It works fine on my Mac,
but I have to spend my day in Windows, and I think you have that user group
very well supported in general.  My first desire would be to know where to
temporarily stub out the secure stuff so I can have fake security on windows
until I test on mac & post the real stuff to linode.

If I can't stub the security, I would like to be to be able to fake an
authorized login.  The code is far beyond me at this time - it's a clear
symbol 'logged-in-user' I need to set, but I seem to need to do this in some
kind of context.  I keep running into continuation/realm errors, and I'm not
understanding what context I need to start before setting the auth variables
that actually store the stuff.

I've tried sending a user tuple to successful-login from my own code, but
run into some kind of continuation/realm mismatch (it tries to end something
I didn't know to start).  I tried setting logged-in-user in my own code, but
have a context problem, because when the blogs code tries to get it, it's
null, or I get a stack overflow error.

I've made my own auth routines to work in http just to get going, and I can
make some calls to responders like blogs, but sooner or later something
expects furnace's auth to be set correctly.  Can someone help point me to a
way to subvert this, or authoritatively tell me I can't?  :)

Thanks.

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Re: [Factor-talk] The image refers to a library or symbol that was not found at load time

[Jim mack]

Until you get a better answer, I had this problem until I installed
sqlite3.  This was on windows :( but is worth checking.

2010/10/5 Damian Dobroczyński 

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> Hi list!
>
> I've tried to compile and run factor from git repository on my new
> machine (Kubuntu 10.04). Unfortunaltely it does not work. When trying to
> run it I'm obtaining: "The image refers to a library or symbol that was
> not found at load time" which apparently wants to tell me that some
> shared library is missing. Could you tell me what libraries are required
> to run factor vanilla image?
>
> D.
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
> Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
>
> iEYEARECAAYFAkyrPiAACgkQWPXp0gyuOusO3wCfbcQ3GM4BKGxLy0wv0KwK5BNQ
> yKcAn1/yuvg2+GPTZUTapU3V38NOl5PO
> =ruxJ
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Re: [Factor-talk] Wiki

[Jim mack]

Have you ever discussed  how to integrate the online docs and a wiki so
submissions, questions, comments and clarifications can more easily be
contributed, and available to the next learner?  I understand the value of
the docs coming from source, but I only build from source on one of my home
macs, travel with a windows laptop, and have yet to learn the (admittedly
easy) help syntax.  I would have contributed to the documentation already
had I been able to add something to the odd doc page with less friction.
 One example might be adding links to other subjects that are related.
 Another would be that we have in some places very dry upper level cs
descriptions of things, and I, not being formally trained, would add some
examples as I learned what they mean :)

AFAIK, the wiki uses a straight text file.  How hard would it be to have two
help files for each code folder - one factor code, one the wiki maintained
text page.  The official online wiki draws from and modifies a git
repository which periodically gets merged back into the build.   The built
in browser combines the compiled and textual files, and may even allow for
quick editing locally for personal notes.

I'd think managing the second, wiki help file would be easier with git if it
were in its own folder system, parallel to the code base but maybe nestled a
folder lower, like \factor\wiki\basis, \factor\wiki\core.

I will be able to contribute work on this starting in November, if you think
it is potentially something that would work.  Please let me know if there
are other, easier ways to accomplish the same thing.  I have been eager to
contribute, but most of your work is at a higher theoretical level than I
function at.

Jim

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:19 AM, Chris Double wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:16 PM, John Sampson 
> wrote:
> >
> > Factor looks to an outsider as if it could be quite interesting but
> > on trying to explore the Wiki on features there are only blank pages.
>
> Most of the good stuff is in the online docs:
>
> http://docs.factorcode.org
>
> Chris.
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Newbie question about handbook

[Jim mack]

The simplest way of describing the pure stack effects of if, for a situation
like this:

t [  ] [  ] if

would be

( ? quot quot -- )

You could write
: example ( ? quot quot -- ) if ; inline
t [ ] [ ] example

( The idea of inline is beyond my ability to explain.  I add it, like a
monkey, every time I see a compilation error like "Cannot apply “if” to an
input parameter of a non-inline word")

Inside the quotation could be stuff that doesn't actually do anything to the
stack.  I think of the syntax you're asking about as trying to be more
visually descriptive for a new user, and it's making the point that the most
common use case would be to transform some thing(s) that are on the stack,
conditionally.  So, I think ..a could be thought of as "the precondition of
the stack before if's parameters" and ..b could be the stack condition after
either path.  This includes the idea of there being no stack as well.  The
inner parenthetical groups describe the expected stack effect of each branch
of condition execution, and try to explain that it transforms the stack.
This syntax is not trying to imply any comment about the depth of the stack.

Jim


On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Fabian Boucsein <
fabian.boucs...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Thanks for your answer Anton. But what does the ..a exactly mean?
> It is a stack effect row variable? Is there a connection with the number of
> "arguements" it stands for?
>
> Greetings,
> Fabian
>
>
>
> Anton Gorenko schrieb:
> > if '?' is t, not '..a'.
> > http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-effects.html
> > http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-effects-variables.html
> >
> > 'true' and 'false' quotations have same stack effects, they take 'a'
> > (a >= 0) values from the stack and leave 'b' (b >= 0) values on the
> > stack.
> > So '3 2 t [ + ] [ - ] if' is correct ('true' and 'false' have ( x x --
> > x ) stack effect, 'if' has ( x x ? true: ( x x --  x ) false: ( x x --
> >  x ) -- x ) stack effect in this case), but
> > '3 2 t [ + + ] [ - ] if', '3 t [ + ] [ - ] if', '3 2 t [ + ] [ 1 ]
> > if', etc. are incorrect.
> >
> > 2010/9/18 Fabian Boucsein :
> >
> >> Hello Factor mailing list,
> >>
> >> i try to understand the definition of "if" in the factor handbook:
> >> if ( ..a ? true: ( ..a -- ..b ) false: ( ..a -- ..b) -- ..b)
> >>
> >> I read if ..a is true execute the true codeblock else the false block
> >> which is quite clear but what does the last ..b stands for?
> >> Thanks for your help.
> >>
> >> Fabian
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Documentation

[Jim mack]

I find I often need to grep the text of the help.  Thanks for pointing the
way to generating it!  This is now the 8th or so request for this same
thing.

By the way, after loading furnace, the help system is really slow on XP (and
I have a solid state disk).

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> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 8:01 AM, nitralime 
> wrote:
> >  That is not what I meant!
> > I should put it more correctly:  I would like to have a print ready
> version
> > of documentation in pdf or ps or even a single-page html format.
>
>
> Ah, sorry for the useless suggestion, then!  I used to do a lot of
> print-for-easy-reading. Nowadays, I load PDFs (or web pages via
> InstaPaper) on to my iPad for reading... and hardly every print
> anything at all.
>
> --
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> For Factor, I find that:
>
> * I need the documentation in hand, to do anything with the code
>
> * I need the Listener in hand, to make sense of the documentation
>
> ... therefore I am very impressed that you will be able to effectively
> consume the documentation in paper form.
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Re: [Factor-talk] Something like output>array, but less smart?

[Jim mack]

Hi, Kyle.  You're famous to me from Delphi, and I also benefited from your
writeup on using Git on windows.  Welcome to Factor.  I've been searching
for a home since Delphi's decline in market share, and this seems to be it
for me; hope you have fun here.  The community is great (I mean, a four
minute delay on your answer???).

On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Slava Pestov  wrote:

> Hi Kyle,
>
> One approach is to use with-datastack. Here anything goes:
>
> ( scratchpad - auto ) { } [ 10 iota [ ] each ] with-datastack .
> { 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 }
>
> However a better approach might be to use something like 'make' where
> you explicitly call , with each element to add it in:
>
> ( scratchpad - auto ) [ 10 iota [ , ] each ] { } make .
> { 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 }
>
> If you tell us what you're trying to achieve (instead of just how
> you're trying to achieve it), someone might be able to suggest a
> better approach.
>
> Slava
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Kyle Cordes  wrote:
> > Factor gurus,
> > Could anyone kindly point me toward something similar to output>array,
> but
> > which doesn't infer the array size (and thus can't fail because of
> trouble
> > so inferring), but which rather just catches the results of the quotation
> > (whatever size it happens to be) and makes that an array?
> > I have looked at the docs quite a lot, and haven't been able to figure
> this
> > out.
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[Factor-talk] FUEL listener running web page

[Jim mack]

Hi, I've got FUEL working w/listener, on Mac, factor version = yesterday's
binaries.  I'm launching a furnace website.

If I launch it from Factor listener directly, it executes but locks the
listener, and I have to restart it.  (Once I've restarted it, I can modify
source, hit F2 and the website reflects those changes, and if I call the
launching word again, it no longer locks the listener - only the first
time.)  If this seems just too weird, see my explanation below.

If I launch from aquamacs, the same thing happens, but I don't know how to
restart the listener.  If I launch it from aquamacs listener in a thread, it
serves the website but I don't know how to get it to refresh its code.

Is there a way to work interactively whereby C-c C-r will update my
website's code, just as I can do in the factor listener?

Thanks,
Jim

What's launching the website, in case I'm causing this problem:

: 4eyes-web ( -- )
[ route-and-return ] to: trick-to-get-reloading
"4eyes"
[ <4eyes-responder>
4eyes-db 
init-4eyes-dbs
main-responder set-global
8080 httpd ] with-logging ;

It probably isn't important, but just in case, I know it's non standard and
I have my doubts I'd try it again, but I use one action and have it parse
the request's url & params to decide what to do, from within the display
slot, and that's what trick-to-get-reloading is.  Until I did this, I didn't
seem to get the website code refreshed just by hitting F2, unless I directly
called 4eyes-web again (it was early in my learning curve, so maybe I just
got something wrong, but it's working).
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Re: [Factor-talk] problem with loading files in fuel ( in mode with 'M-x connect-to-factor')

[Jim mack]

Ok, all this talk of fuel has me interested.  Total emacs/mac newbie
question:  Will it work with aquamacs, or would it be less painful to go
with some other emacs implementation?

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Jose A. Ortega Ruiz  wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 01 2010, Evgeny Bahvalov wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > Let's try to use instead  of M-x run-factor connection to image with 'M-x
> > connect-to-factor' in Emacs.
> >
> > 1. From gui listener type "fuel" run.
> > 2. from emacs - 'M-x connect-to-factor'
> > 3. in fuel listener (with error in word palindrom?):
> > ( scratchpad ) USE: palindrome
> > Loading resource:work/palindrome/palindrome.factor
> > ( scratchpad ) "ddd" palindrome?
> > continuation
> > data   { "ddd" ~not-compiled~ }
> > call   CS{ ~quotation~ ~quotation~ 4 handle-client handle-client f...
> > retain { ~decoder~ ~encoder~ ~array~ }
> > name   V{ H{ ~array~ ~array~ ~array~ ~array~ ~array~ ~array~ ~array~...
> > catch  V{ ~continuation~ ~continuation~ ~continuation~ ~continuation~...
> >
> > Type :help for debugging help.
> >
> > It's not OK. I suppose it's a bug.
>
> Looks like one. Most probably in the fuel.remote vocabulary, which
> provides a listener on a socket--i'm guessing something changed in how
> to tell the listener to print error conditions since i hacked that.
>
> The vocabulary's implementation is just a handful of lines: perhaps a
> quick look by someone more knowledgeable than me would serve to quickly
> see the proble. Otherwise, i'll try to fix that at some moment this
> week.
>
> Thanks for the report!
> jao
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Re: [Factor-talk] http.factor: cookie>> sometimes returns non resizable collection

[Jim mack]

On further thought, probably I'm incorrect in trying to set a cookie in the
request, rather than the response.

Sorry :)

On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Jim mack  wrote:

> Sorry, I don't build from source on my windows laptop, so here's a manual fix:
>
> http.factor
> : parse-cookie ( string -- seq )
> 
> ] { } make ;
>
> needs to be:
> ] V{ } make ;
>
> the test on put-cookie doesn't have it parsing a request.  Writing that test 
> is beyond me at the moment.
> This does break 4 existing tests that hardcode a cookie result of { }.
>
> This may apply to parse-set-cookie as well, but I didn't test this.
>
> Detail of Problem:
>
> Trying to use put-cookie, stepped as far as the final push, the inspector 
> showed a stack
> T{ request ...}
> T{ cookie ... }
>
> { ~cookie~ ~cookie~ ~cookie~ }
>
>
> and push fails with "Sequence index out of bounds"
> index 3
> seq   { ~cookie~ ~cookie~ ~cookie~ }
> URL" http://localhost/abc";
> "
>
> "
> (U) Quotation: [ set-namestack init-catchstack self quot>> call -> stop ]
>
> (O) Word: handle-client
> (O) Method: M\ http-server handle-client*
> (O) Word: do-request
> (O) Method: M\ sessions call-responder*
> (O) Word: handle-get
> (U) Quotation: [
> 2dup [
> ~quotation~ dip
>
>
> dup terminated?>> ~quotation~ ~quotation~ if
> ] 2dip -> rot [ 2drop ] [ wrong-values ] if
> ]
> (U) Quotation: [
> [ ~quotation~ dip dip ] dip -> dup terminated?>>
>
>
> [ 2drop f ]
> [ dup in>> length swap out>> length check-datastack ] if
> ]
> (U) Quotation: [ swap [ call ] dip -> ]
> Word: dip
> (O) Word: route-and-return
> (O) Word: (route-and-return)
>
>
> (U) Quotation: [ set-password-for-machine -> f ]
> (U) Quotation: [ [ request get ] dip pkey  put-cookie -> drop ]
> (U) Quotation: [
> [ break name>> dupd get-cookie ~quotation~ when* ] keep
> over cookies>> push ->
>
>
> ]
> (O) Method: M\ sequence set-nth
> (O) Word: bounds-error
> (O) Method: M\ object throw
> (U) Quotation: [
> 63 special-object error-thread set-global
> continuation -> error-continuation set-global rethrow
>
>
> ]
>
>
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[Factor-talk] http.factor: cookie>> sometimes returns non resizable collection

[Jim mack]

Sorry, I don't build from source on my windows laptop, so here's a manual fix:

http.factor
: parse-cookie ( string -- seq )

] { } make ;

needs to be:
] V{ } make ;

the test on put-cookie doesn't have it parsing a request.  Writing
that test is beyond me at the moment.
This does break 4 existing tests that hardcode a cookie result of { }.

This may apply to parse-set-cookie as well, but I didn't test this.

Detail of Problem:

Trying to use put-cookie, stepped as far as the final push, the
inspector showed a stack
T{ request ...}
T{ cookie ... }
{ ~cookie~ ~cookie~ ~cookie~ }

and push fails with "Sequence index out of bounds"
index 3
seq   { ~cookie~ ~cookie~ ~cookie~ }
URL" http://localhost/abc";
"
"
(U) Quotation: [ set-namestack init-catchstack self quot>> call -> stop ]

(O) Word: handle-client
(O) Method: M\ http-server handle-client*
(O) Word: do-request
(O) Method: M\ sessions call-responder*
(O) Word: handle-get
(U) Quotation: [
2dup [
~quotation~ dip

dup terminated?>> ~quotation~ ~quotation~ if
] 2dip -> rot [ 2drop ] [ wrong-values ] if
]
(U) Quotation: [
[ ~quotation~ dip dip ] dip -> dup terminated?>>

[ 2drop f ]
[ dup in>> length swap out>> length check-datastack ] if
]
(U) Quotation: [ swap [ call ] dip -> ]
Word: dip
(O) Word: route-and-return
(O) Word: (route-and-return)

(U) Quotation: [ set-password-for-machine -> f ]
(U) Quotation: [ [ request get ] dip pkey  put-cookie -> drop ]
(U) Quotation: [
[ break name>> dupd get-cookie ~quotation~ when* ] keep
over cookies>> push ->

]
(O) Method: M\ sequence set-nth
(O) Word: bounds-error
(O) Method: M\ object throw
(U) Quotation: [
63 special-object error-thread set-global
continuation -> error-continuation set-global rethrow

]



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[Factor-talk] Regexp problem?

[Jim mack]

"jim123" R/ [0-2]/ "x" re-replace
works
"jim123" R/ [0-2]*/ "x" re-replace
bombs factor.

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Re: [Factor-talk] getting the ip of this system

[Jim mack]

Better:

  
 os windows? "ipconfig" "ifconfig" ? >>command
  ascii  stream-lines

gives you a sequence.

On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Jim mack  wrote:

> USING: io.launcher io.files.temp ;
>
> Windows:
> "ipconfig" >>command "ip.txt" temp-file >>stdout try-process
>
> puts ipconfig results to file to the temp directory.  Try:  "ip.txt"
> temp-file
>
> Mac
> "ifconfig" >>command "ip.txt" temp-file >>stdout try-process
>
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 3:03 AM, Ben Schlingelhof  wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> anybody know how I can get the (DHCP-provided) IP-Address of the
>> current system? I've tried "f 8000  resolve-host" but it only
>> gives me "0.0.0.0", not too useful.
>>
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Re: [Factor-talk] getting the ip of this system

[Jim mack]

USING: io.launcher io.files.temp ;

Windows:
"ipconfig" >>command "ip.txt" temp-file >>stdout try-process

puts ipconfig results to file to the temp directory.  Try:  "ip.txt"
temp-file

Mac
"ifconfig" >>command "ip.txt" temp-file >>stdout try-process

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> Hi there,
>
> anybody know how I can get the (DHCP-provided) IP-Address of the
> current system? I've tried "f 8000  resolve-host" but it only
> gives me "0.0.0.0", not too useful.
>
> Ben
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] information request about ui part

[Jim mack]

Not to speak against the gui, I just want to weigh in by mentioning that
factor can host a website locally as well.  You can deploy an executable,
stripped down & compiled factor that serves some local ip & port, then the
user just browses to it.

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Kobi Lurie  wrote:

>  Hey guys, I'm looking to do more serious 'factor'ing, and want to
> build a complete app.
> But the documentation for the gui part, is very limited.
> (I also like the portable nature of the gui and that it looks the same -
> and would like to create something)
>
> Are there any tutorials I missed, or that you're in the middle of?
> can I ask questions here, as I'm unpuzzling this?
>
> on a related note, the rebol gui was the easiest/cutest I saw.
> Does the factor base lack gui applications because of a limitation or
> poor api of gadgets, or simply no interest yet?
>
>
> I'm very interested to have atleast some initial basis to build upon,
> and feel that it's a shame to switch languages just because of a
> library. factor code is nice and simple imo.
>
> Welcoming any info and comments,
> Kobi
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[Factor-talk] Anyone experienced with websockets as a Factor server?

[Jim mack]

I'm not good enough to implement this from the ruby code.  Has anyone given
it a thought?

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Re: [Factor-talk] namespaces

[Jim mack]

Thanks very much!  I can't reproduce it yet, but am trying. One thing I
forgot to mention:  I can still interact with website in one browser while
factor itself has closed and task manager doesn't list any factor instances,
a vital fact... :)

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Slava Pestov  wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Jim mack  wrote:
> > Thanks, Slava
> >
> > Would the responder then have a namespace in common among HTTP threads
> using
> > an explicit bind? Sure, thanks.
>
> That's one option, yes, or you can store the data in the responder
> directly. It takes a bit of boilerplate at the moment, perhaps at some
> point in the future it can be streamlined:
>
> TUPLE: my-web-app < dispatcher data ;
>
> :  ( -- responder )
>my-web-app new-dispatcher
> "blah" add-responder
>... ;
>
> M: my-web-app call-responder*
>[ my-web-app set ] [ call-next-method ] bi ;
>
> Then your action can do
>
> my-web-app get data>>
>
> Of course you can name your slots anything, not just 'data'.
>
> > Mostly I was trying to take advantage of the 'look in a chain of assocs
> > until you find it' functionality, and thought I could do so with a
> > combination of make-assoc and bind fairly cheaply.  I had a list of
> general
> > replacements, and specific ones, and ones that change rapidly, and
> thought
> > that chaining would be 'better' than cloning & adding specifics each
> time.
>
> If you have a sequence of assocs, you can search for a key using the
> 'assoc-stack' word. This is the word that is used to implement 'get'.
>
> > The only odd problem I've had so far, that I don't have pinned down
> enough
> > to report, is that occasionally chrome and firefox on an xp box where I
> do
> > most development (day job) will clearly be interacting with a different
> > webserver.  Usually I've been in both, correctly interacting, then make
> some
> > change (or possibly have a crash).  I'll restart factor & the primary
> > browser (usually chrome) and it initializes properly, but the other
> browser
> > (usually ff), which was open all along, still retains the old in-mem
> data.
> > I can interact with it successfully, and it is clearly the version from
> > before the factor restart, but task manager does not list factor.  I can
> > even close all ff windows and restart ff and still have this happening,
> > although as I type that I realize I didn't check the task manager to make
> > sure some hidden ff process wasn't keeping it open.
>
> This sounds like a problem in http.server's handling of cache control
> headers. A couple of people have reported similar issues in the past
> on the Factor web site. Let me know if you find a test case.
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] namespaces

[Jim mack]

Thanks, Slava

Would the responder then have a namespace in common among HTTP threads using
an explicit bind? Sure, thanks.

Mostly I was trying to take advantage of the 'look in a chain of assocs
until you find it' functionality, and thought I could do so with a
combination of make-assoc and bind fairly cheaply.  I had a list of general
replacements, and specific ones, and ones that change rapidly, and thought
that chaining would be 'better' than cloning & adding specifics each time.

One of the reasons I was drawn to Factor for web is that I understood it to
have less startup costs - it's always in memory, etc.  I am doing a local
(desktop) website that will have a lot of quick interaction, and didn't want
to save/load all of it each ping.  So I keep it in global memory,
serializing to disk after n changes.  Please feel free to point me in some
direction if this seems foolish.

The only odd problem I've had so far, that I don't have pinned down enough
to report, is that occasionally chrome and firefox on an xp box where I do
most development (day job) will clearly be interacting with a different
webserver.  Usually I've been in both, correctly interacting, then make some
change (or possibly have a crash).  I'll restart factor & the primary
browser (usually chrome) and it initializes properly, but the other browser
(usually ff), which was open all along, still retains the old in-mem data.
I can interact with it successfully, and it is clearly the version from
before the factor restart, but task manager does not list factor.  I can
even close all ff windows and restart ff and still have this happening,
although as I type that I realize I didn't check the task manager to make
sure some hidden ff process wasn't keeping it open.

Once I even tried gradually killing random processes until I found the
culprit.  I killed all for me, most for system, when I killed one I
shouldn't have.  But throughout, I had a responsive web server in the other
browser.

This has happened across many factor builds since mid November, but I can't
swear to you the first time I saw it.

Jim


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> Hi Jim,
>
> Every thread has its own namestack. The listener runs in its own
> thread and so does every HTTP request. So dynamic variables are not
> the right abstraction here unfortunately. What you should do instead
> is have the furnace action set form values with set-value, and access
> those values from the fhtml template. The best way to save a value
> between invocations of an action is to persist it in a database,
> because then your web app will support transparent fail-over. Another
> good approach is to subclass the dispatcher responder and store them
> in there, and add your actions to the dispatcher as well. If you're
> interested I'll write up an example of this pattern.
>
> Slava
>
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:21 AM, Jim mack  wrote:
> > When rendering an fhtml page within the furnace.alloy framework, I am
> trying
> > to get to the same namespace that the listener is in.  In other words, I
> > expected to use set in the listener, then get (on the same key) in the
> fhtml
> > page, but it returns f.  I see that the page has a namestack 11 deep, my
> > listener's is 4.
> >
> > I think I understand cset and cget, sset and sget, and html forms'
> set-value
> > and value, but am trying for something a little more global but not quite
> > global-global.  Is the 4th namespace when in listener unreachable from
> the
> > furnace.alloy namestack?
> >
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[Factor-talk] namespaces

[Jim mack]

When rendering an fhtml page within the furnace.alloy framework, I am trying
to get to the same namespace that the listener is in.  In other words, I
expected to use set in the listener, then get (on the same key) in the fhtml
page, but it returns f.  I see that the page has a namestack 11 deep, my
listener's is 4.

I think I understand cset and cget, sset and sget, and html forms' set-value
and value, but am trying for something a little more global but not quite
global-global.  Is the 4th namespace when in listener unreachable from the
furnace.alloy namestack?

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Re: [Factor-talk] how to stub/mock existing words

[Jim mack]

Thanks.

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Joe Groff  wrote:

> On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Jim mack  wrote:
> > I'm writing unit-tests and I need to change the behavior of a word.
> It's
> > something I didn't write myself so it doesn't lend itself to generics.
> What
> > is the syntax for changing what executes?  Forth allows you to change the
> > cfa or something (long time ago, blurry memory).  If I just redefine the
> > word within the test, is there any danger something will use the prior
> > version rather than my new definition?  I'm thinking of macros, but don't
> > really know anything :)
>
> The best way to do this is by making the API you want to mock generic,
> either on an explicit object or as a set of hooks on a dynamic
> variable. You can then wrap your unit tests in a with-variable form
> that will ensure the variable is changed only within the extent of the
> tests. If you need to mock an existing API that isn't generic you'll
> need to wrap it. There's no facility to change non-generic words
> safely.
>
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[Factor-talk] how to stub/mock existing words

[Jim mack]

I'm writing unit-tests and I need to change the behavior of a word.   It's
something I didn't write myself so it doesn't lend itself to generics.  What
is the syntax for changing what executes?  Forth allows you to change the
cfa or something (long time ago, blurry memory).  If I just redefine the
word within the test, is there any danger something will use the prior
version rather than my new definition?  I'm thinking of macros, but don't
really know anything :)

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Re: [Factor-talk] A newbie with some questions

[Jim mack]

Well, I am not qualified to comment (or even follow) a majority of this
discussion, but I may have some useful input re: "QNX is POSIX compliant,
but the graphical UI (Photon) may be a problem."

Factor out of the box provides an HTTP web server that you can run locally
for machine interaction, and browse to for UI control.  I have been pursuing
this approach in my projects, and it works well.

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Re: [Factor-talk] real numbers as array indices

[Jim mack]

It should prorate the value between the floor and ceiling!  :)

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 5:33 AM, Jon Harper  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> I recently noticed that floats are accepted as array indices
>
> ( scratchpad ) pi { 1 2 3 4 } nth .
> 4
>
> I noticed this because there was a bug in my program that led a float
> to be used. It feels like using reals as indices is almost an error
> and should throw an exeption at runtime. Right now, they're silently
> cast to fixnums before accesing the array, so the index used is the
> floor of the real.
>
> What do you think ?
>
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Re: [Factor-talk] Factor educational tools

[Jim mack]

Thanks

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Joe Groff  wrote:

> On Mar 28, 2010, at 2:32 AM, Henrik Huttunen wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your feedback, Joe.
> >
> > It should be fixed now.
>
> It works now, Henrik. Really cool stuff.
>
> -Joe
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Re: [Factor-talk] Factor educational tools

[Jim mack]

While we're on the subject, does anyone know a cheap hosting site that
allows you to run custom executables?  I use dreamhost and haven't asked
them to host factor yet, but remember trying to use Ruby in the early days
and it took them a while to get going.

On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Henrik Huttunen
wrote:

> Thanks :)
>
> Unfortunately I probably didn't include that option when I paid my
> service and I cannot seem to locate a place where I could add DNS
> management service. But I hope it doesn't bother anyone how it is
> setup at the moment (redirecting to different url, that is).
>
> I will probably someday buy virtual environment for that domain. Maybe
> then it's time setup everything properly. If there is no easy
> solution, I'll put my effort into the content, for the time being.
>
> - Henrik
> >
> > If you have access to the zone file and a static ip to point at, you can
> add
> > something like this to it:
> > @ 10800 IN A 
> > factor 10800 IN A 
> > * 10800 IN A 
> >
> > This will keep the "masking" effect without all that funny frame
> business.
> > The "factor" line is only neccessary if you want the factor subdomain at
> > another IP. I did this to my first domain just the other day, so I
> apologize
> > if I there are any mistakes.
> >
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Re: [Factor-talk] *-in-c-type-name

[Jim mack]

I've been working with the ODBC code with this change for a few months now:

TYPEDEF: short* SQLSMALLINT*

but am not knowledgeable enough why it would be wrong.  It was early in my
Factor learning process, and I can't swear I tested every data type.

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Joe Groff  wrote:

> On Mar 15, 2010, at 6:18 AM, Ben Schlingelhof wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I've tried to use the odbc-vocab in the newest factor source. I get
> this interesting error:
>
> 17: TYPEDEF: void* SQLSMALLINT*
>   ^
> *-in-c-type-name
>
>
> You're correct. Pointers no longer need to be (or can be) typedef-ed
> separately from their underlying types. If you want to define an opaque C
> type (that is, one which is valid as a pointer type but not as a value
> type), you can use C-TYPE: .
>
> Generic word underlying>> does not define a method for the string class.
> Dispatching on object: "DSN=TEST_DSN"
>
>
> I bet this is because of a recent change in string handling in the FFI.
> While parameters with a char* pointer type used to be treated specially and
> would automatically convert Factor strings to C strings and back, this is no
> longer the case. A separate type, c-string, is now used to automatically
> convert strings in the FFI. This is discussed in the "C strings" article of
> the FFI docs:
>
> http://docs.factorcode.org/content/article-c-strings.html
>
> The fix for odbc will probably be to update some parameters that take char*
> parameters (or typedefs thereof) to now take c-string parameters.
>
> -Joe
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Re: [Factor-talk] MS-SQL

[Jim mack]

Also, wanted to get the db.tuples working with this, but kept getting stuck.

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Jim mack  wrote:

> I have reworked everything but the translation of dates and will post a
> copy shortly.  I didn't want to do so incomplete, but no reason for you to
> redo that work.
>
> ffi:
> http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=1572
> lib:
> http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=1573
> odbc main:
> http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=1574
>
> It was one of the first things I did in factor, so I expect it could be
> better ;(  and don't have git capability where I am right now.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Ben Schlingelhof <
> ben.schlingel...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, everyone. I'll have a look at the odbc-port.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 14:11, Chris Double 
>> wrote:
>> > On 03/11/2010 12:25 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
>> >> Hmm, looks like I may have been wrong. I was working from
>> >> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/01/odbc-interface-for-factor.html
>> >> but that looks like it's out of date as I can't find anything in the
>> >> current factor codebase.
>> >
>> > It's in 'unmaintained/odbc' in the source distribution (the git
>> > repository). It shouldn't take much effort to get it working again for
>> > someone new to factor.
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Re: [Factor-talk] MS-SQL

[Jim mack]

I have reworked everything but the translation of dates and will post a copy
shortly.  I didn't want to do so incomplete, but no reason for you to redo
that work.

ffi:
http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=1572
lib:
http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=1573
odbc main:
http://paste.factorcode.org/paste?id=1574

It was one of the first things I did in factor, so I expect it could be
better ;(  and don't have git capability where I am right now.

Jim



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ben.schlingel...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Thanks, everyone. I'll have a look at the odbc-port.
>
> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 14:11, Chris Double 
> wrote:
> > On 03/11/2010 12:25 AM, Paul Moore wrote:
> >> Hmm, looks like I may have been wrong. I was working from
> >> http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/01/odbc-interface-for-factor.html
> >> but that looks like it's out of date as I can't find anything in the
> >> current factor codebase.
> >
> > It's in 'unmaintained/odbc' in the source distribution (the git
> > repository). It shouldn't take much effort to get it working again for
> > someone new to factor.
> >
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Re: [Factor-talk] Vocab for comparing complex data types

[Jim mack]

Thanks!  Never thought to look at that.  I did get something going with the
lcs library, but this may be better.

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Kobi Lurie  wrote:

>  On 21/2/2010 16:28, Jim mack wrote:
> > I have some complicated datastructure, mixing containers & tuples,
> > like an ast.  I would like to get a report on what's different between
> > two of them, say for a test.  Is there an existing vocab for that?  It
> > won't need to be fast.  My first thought was to get the prettyprint
> > representations, then diff through an external tool.
>
> Hi Jim, do you know of mirrors?
> I'm not sure if that's what you mean, but maybe something like this:
>
> : obj-diff ( big small -- diff )
>[  >alist ] bi@ swap diff ;
>
> TUPLE: xyz x y z ;
> xyz new 4 >>z 2 >>x
> xyz new 3 >>x
>
> --- Data stack:
> T{ xyz f 2 f 4 }
> T{ xyz f 3 f f }
> ( scratchpad - auto ) obj-diff .
> { { "x" 3 } { "z" f } }
>
> Best Regards, Kobi
>
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>
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