[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 1:58:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jflanegi@ writes: Then after the Iranian revolution, we cozied up to Saddam and gave him whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas, to use against Iran. Please, go into detail on this. I like the whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas part best. Yes, I'd like to hear that one too! I've excerpted the info below from a George Washigton University website. The source material comes from declassified NSA documents. Although there is no direct evidence of the USA providing Iraq with chemical agents to use against Iran, we appear to be pretty friendly about it, or at best, talking out of both sides of our mouth. === From: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein: The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq, 1980-1984 National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 82 Edited by Joyce Battle February 25, 2003 9/22/80 Iraq invades Iran. 1983-The White House and State Department pressured the Export- Import Bank to provide Iraq with financing, to enhance its credit standing and enable it to obtain loans from other international financial institutions. 12/83 Rumsfeld as US special envoy visits Saddam in Baghdad. The U.S. restored formal relations with Iraq in November 1984, but the U.S. had begun, several years earlier, to provide it with intelligence and military support (in secret and contrary to this country's official neutrality) in accordance with policy directives from President Ronald Reagan. These were prepared pursuant to his March 1982 National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM 4-82) asking for a review of U.S. policy toward the Middle East. Although official U.S. policy still barred the export of U.S. military equipment to Iraq, some was evidently provided on a don't ask - don't tell basis. In April 1984, the Baghdad interests section asked to be kept apprised of Bell Helicopter Textron's negotiations to sell helicopters to Iraq, which were not to be in any way configured for military use. The purchaser was the Iraqi Ministry of Defense. In December 1982, Bell Textron's Italian subsidiary had informed the U.S. embassy in Rome that it turned down a request from Iraq to militarize recently purchased Hughes helicopters. An allied government, South Korea, informed the State Department that it had received a similar request in June 1983 (when a congressional aide asked in March 1983 whether heavy trucks recently sold to Iraq were intended for military purposes, a State Department official replied we presumed that this was Iraq's intention, and had not asked.) Iran had submitted a draft resolution asking the U.N. to condemn Iraq's chemical weapons use. The U.S. delegate to the U.N. was instructed to lobby friendly delegations in order to obtain a general motion of no decision on the resolution. If this was not achievable, the U.S. delegate was to abstain on the issue. Iraq's ambassador met with the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Jeane Kirkpatrick, and asked for restraint in responding to the issue - as did the representatives of both France and Britain. 1988- Ceasefire signed between Iraq and Iran. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Home of the Free'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: snip As far as Donald Rumsfeld having the time to be interested in studying a free society, such as Holland; I would think he is too busy defending his policies being in question by many Generals and commanders speaking up to suggest he (Donald) quit, be fired, tar and feathered, or all of the above. He says it doesn't bother him or surprise him at all. Happens all the time, he says. A perfect case, along with his cronies, of 'you can lead a horse to water...'. I see it reflected equally on the Dems' side. When they [probably]win Congress, we'll see if they have *any* initiative left... Jim, did you see the article I posted excerpts from the last time you dumped on the Democrats? It's actually something of a bum rap. The problem, essentially, is that the media aren't covering what the Dems *are* doing. The article gives a number of examples. On the one hand, yes, the media has become a tool of those in power, now more than ever before. On the other hand, the reality is, that they (the Dems) are woefully ineffective and will oftentimes be so fragmented in their response to yet another skirting of the law by the Bushies, that their response means nothing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland In a message dated 4/14/06 12:15:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Raja Wilhelm the one who does kidsha? No, that was Jacques somebody, who had been the National Leader of Holland. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
In a message dated 4/14/06 3:38:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The decision Pharaoh was being forced to make (by God,not by the Jews themselves, according to the HebrewScriptures) was to let the Israelites leave Egypt,where Pharaoh had held them in slavery and slaughteredall *their* firstborn male children, and subsequentlyall their male newborns.Not as efficient as Hitler's genocide, of course, butthen that was a pre-technological age.And of course Passover does not commemorate the slaughter of Egyptian children, it commemorates Godhaving saved the children of the Israelites from*being* slaughtered: the angel who was killing theEgyptian children *passed over* the children of theIsraelites. Excellent example of karma. Pharaoh kills first born of Hebrew slaves and God kills first born of Egyptians. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
In a message dated 4/14/06 4:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess it all comes down to what you consider 'wrong,' then:Genghis Khan--65 yearsAdolph Hitler--56 yearsHenry VIII--56 yearsJoseph Stalin--75 yearsBenito Mussolini--62 yearsFranciso Franco--83 yearsFerdinand Marcos--72 yearsPol Pot--73 yearsAnd I'm sure others can come up with more people who did a whole lot of wrong and lived a long time. wasn't it Billy Joel that sang "only the good die young"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Favorite movies to watch in Sat Yuga
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Maybe you can take the Boddhisattva Movie Vow -- to remain unenlighteened life after life until all sentient beings have seen all of these movies. Wonderful concept! I give you fair warning...I plan to steal this idea... :-) Well, ok. As long as you give me proper credit: Idea by Brahman. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
Yep. On Apr 14, 2006, at 5:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wasn't it Billy Joel that sang only the good die young?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
In a message dated 4/14/06 5:34:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/14/06 1:58:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jflanegi@ writes:Then after the Iranian revolution, we cozied up to Saddam and gave him whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas, to use against Iran. Please, go into detail on this. I like the whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas part best. Yes, I'd like to hear that one too!I've excerpted the info below from a George Washigton University website. The source material comes from declassified NSA documents. Although there is no direct evidence of the USA providing Iraq with chemical agents to use against Iran, we appear to be pretty friendly about it, or at best, talking out of both sides of our mouth. === From: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein:The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq, 1980-1984National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 82Edited by Joyce BattleFebruary 25, 20039/22/80 Iraq invades Iran.1983-The White House and State Department pressured the Export-Import Bank to provide Iraq with financing, to enhance its credit standing and enable it to obtain loans from other international financial institutions.12/83 Rumsfeld as US special envoy visits Saddam in Baghdad.The U.S. restored formal relations with Iraq in November 1984, but the U.S. had begun, several years earlier, to provide it with intelligence and military support (in secret and contrary to this country's official neutrality) in accordance with policy directives from President Ronald Reagan. These were prepared pursuant to his March 1982 National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM 4-82) asking for a review of U.S. policy toward the Middle East.Although official U.S. policy still barred the export of U.S. military equipment to Iraq, some was evidently provided on a "don't ask - don't tell" basis. In April 1984, the Baghdad interests section asked to be kept apprised of Bell Helicopter Textron's negotiations to sell helicopters to Iraq, which were not to be "in any way configured for military use". The purchaser was the Iraqi Ministry of Defense. In December 1982, Bell Textron's Italian subsidiary had informed the U.S. embassy in Rome that it turned down a request from Iraq to militarize recently purchased Hughes helicopters. An allied government, South Korea, informed the State Department that it had received a similar request in June 1983 (when a congressional aide asked in March 1983 whether heavy trucks recently sold to Iraq were intended for military purposes, a State Department official replied "we presumed that this was Iraq's intention, and had not asked.") Iran had submitted a draft resolution asking the U.N. to condemn Iraq's chemical weapons use. The U.S. delegate to the U.N. was instructed to lobby friendly delegations in order to obtain a general motion of "no decision" on the resolution. If this was not achievable, the U.S. delegate was to abstain on the issue. Iraq's ambassador met with the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Jeane Kirkpatrick, and asked for "restraint" in responding to the issue - as did the representatives of both France and Britain.1988- Ceasefire signed between Iraq and Iran. I see nothing about the sale of military equipment, especially "whatever Saddam wanted", maybe some trucks and some helicopters that were not fitted with military equipment. I don't see anything about the sale of poison gases here, just a very vague innuendo at best.What we do know was given to Saddam was military intelligence about Iranian troop movements that maintained the status quo and kept one side form defeating the other. Those Iranians and Iraqis sure had to pump and sell a lot of oil to keep their little war going which kept OPEC prices down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What does ethics have to do with oral sex? Kant's categorical imperative -- paraphrasing, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 4/14/06 1:11:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps the only way for the West to stand up to Islamist violence and still preserve the values of the West is to embrace Christ's teaching to turn the other cheek. Otherwise, the terrorists win. This has already been tried, by the US since the Iranian revolution.Didn't the Dalai Lama turn the other cheek? Might have done something for him personally but what did it do to Tibet?Well no that's not what he did, that's a gross misrepresentation of what truly occurred. It's the kind misinformation that's common on the web.The truth of the matter is that "the Great Thirteenth", the current Dalai Lama in his last life, knew all about these eminent events. In fact not only did he know about it, he tried to do something about it. It was well known--and understand as "advisors" we are talking about someone who had numerous close associates who were in what you call Unity Consciousness. The fact that China would come pouring over their eastern border was known literally many decades before it occurred. Consequentially, the Great Thirteenth knew very well he had to do something in his lifetime or the force of karma would be irreversible. So he made a campaign of it and went to eastern Tibet and warned the populace of what was to come. He told the people flat out. He told them they not only had to recruit armies but they had to fortify the border. This was decades before the Chinese would come and which would not even occur in his lifetime (it occurred during the lifetime of his current incarnation, the 14th DL). The people well understood what needed to be done. But they refused. Do you know why they refused?In would have required an increase in taxes.By the time the same scenario was passed on to a spiritually mature but politically naive (and very young) 14th Dalai Lama, the forces were already in place and Tibet was utterly unprepared. Invasion and genocide followed as prophesied.However, consider the big picture. The high lamas of Tibet were spread like dandelion seeds across the earth. And thus another prophecy was fulfilled: When the iron bird flies and horses run on wheels, the dharma will spread to the land of the red-faced people. And so it has. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 12:15:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Raja Wilhelm the one who does kidsha? No, that was Jacques somebody, who had been the National Leader of Holland. Verlende, maybe? lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 5:34:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/14/06 1:58:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jflanegi@ writes: Then after the Iranian revolution, we cozied up to Saddam and gave him whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas, to use against Iran. Please, go into detail on this. I like the whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas part best. Yes, I'd like to hear that one too! I've excerpted the info below from a George Washigton University website. The source material comes from declassified NSA documents. Although there is no direct evidence of the USA providing Iraq with chemical agents to use against Iran, we appear to be pretty friendly about it, or at best, talking out of both sides of our mouth. === From: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein: The U.S. Tilts toward Iraq, 1980-1984 National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 82 Edited by Joyce Battle February 25, 2003 9/22/80 Iraq invades Iran. 1983-The White House and State Department pressured the Export- Import Bank to provide Iraq with financing, to enhance its credit standing and enable it to obtain loans from other international financial institutions. 12/83 Rumsfeld as US special envoy visits Saddam in Baghdad. The U.S. restored formal relations with Iraq in November 1984, but the U.S. had begun, several years earlier, to provide it with intelligence and military support (in secret and contrary to this country's official neutrality) in accordance with policy directives from President Ronald Reagan. These were prepared pursuant to his March 1982 National Security Study Memorandum (NSSM 4-82) asking for a review of U.S. policy toward the Middle East. Although official U.S. policy still barred the export of U.S. military equipment to Iraq, some was evidently provided on a don't ask - don't tell basis. In April 1984, the Baghdad interests section asked to be kept apprised of Bell Helicopter Textron's negotiations to sell helicopters to Iraq, which were not to be in any way configured for military use. The purchaser was the Iraqi Ministry of Defense. In December 1982, Bell Textron's Italian subsidiary had informed the U.S. embassy in Rome that it turned down a request from Iraq to militarize recently purchased Hughes helicopters. An allied government, South Korea, informed the State Department that it had received a similar request in June 1983 (when a congressional aide asked in March 1983 whether heavy trucks recently sold to Iraq were intended for military purposes, a State Department official replied we presumed that this was Iraq's intention, and had not asked.) Iran had submitted a draft resolution asking the U.N. to condemn Iraq's chemical weapons use. The U.S. delegate to the U.N. was instructed to lobby friendly delegations in order to obtain a general motion of no decision on the resolution. If this was not achievable, the U.S. delegate was to abstain on the issue. Iraq's ambassador met with the U.S. ambassador to the U.N., Jeane Kirkpatrick, and asked for restraint in responding to the issue - as did the representatives of both France and Britain. 1988- Ceasefire signed between Iraq and Iran. I see nothing about the sale of military equipment, especially whatever Saddam wanted, maybe some trucks and some helicopters that were not fitted with military equipment. I don't see anything about the sale of poison gases here, just a very vague innuendo at best. What we do know was given to Saddam was military intelligence about Iranian troop movements that maintained the status quo and kept one side form defeating the other. Those Iranians and Iraqis sure had to pump and sell a lot of oil to keep their little war going which kept OPEC prices down. Ok. I see your initial question and this response as basically a nit- pick regarding my original post. No big deal- we'll see what happens soon enough... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? OR a million others. I found two books buried in boxes from my grandmother's house. My mother threw them out and I recovered them once but she threw them out again. Too bad. They're great as a study of how to use humor to keep a certain segment of population down. They were called Coloured Fun and More Coloured Fun and were written by the greatest toastmaster of Texas. Take any Pollak joke and change it to nigger (or vulcan or whatever) and you get the idea. My point, as I'm sure you've gotten, is that not all humor is humor for laughing but humor for attacking. THOSE jokes, I judge people by whether they find them funny or not, not the other way around. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2006, at 3:11 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: As for it being discrimination and not racist I would suggest to you that the caste system IS a form of discrimination based upon race. It actually seems to be based more upon skin color, amongst other things, since all or most Indians are considered Caucasian, or so I thought. Good point. And that is why it WOULD fit in more with the classical definition of discrimination based upon race. race is not just skin color. Two elements are needed for racial discrimination: 1) a defining characteristic, such as skin color. But it could be a certificate, such as a membership in a tribe; and 2) that this defining characteristic is handed down from parent to child. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested to know what the slain first born son does symbolize if you can remember. Ego? mind or intellect? Seems like we are living out an entirely symbolic play, doesn't it - with the same symbolism repeated on just about every level of existence. Law of Fives: we create the patterns that we perceive. . --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: The Kabbalistic interpretation of the Exodus story is actually the story of the soul in bondage (Mizraim, the Hebrew word for Egypt means bondage)--and thus the journey is the expansion of soul till eventual union with God (on Mt. Sinai). The bondage is left behind when they cross the Red Sea, which is actually the soul attaining a higher level of existence till the vision of God face-to-face. I forget what the actual symbolism of the slain first-born is supposed to signify, but it's much deeper than terrorism. On Apr 14, 2006, at 2:00 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Is it just me, or does anyone else perceive Passover as an act of terrorism? It commemorates the slaughter of Egyptian children as a means to persuade Pharaoh to make a political decision. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
In a message dated 4/14/06 6:28:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok. I see your initial question and this response as basically a nit-pick regarding my original post. No big deal- we'll see what happens soon enough... Nit Pick? You may see it that way, but I saw a serious allegation of the United Statesproviding arms, including chemical weapons, to Saddam, to use against Iran, which was not true or at least not proven to be true. The only thing Saddam got from the United States of real military value was Satellite intelligence. Russia and France have provided the overwhelming majority of Saddam's military weaponry. But if anybody has any real proof, documented proof, that the US supplied Iraq with Gas or chemical weapon, I'll be happy to read it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have information about brain studies, or any other allopathic studies of TM and the brain or yoga, mediation, chi kung, reiki and the brain? http://tinyurl.com/lozhc Meditation States and Traits: EEG, ERP, and Neuroimaging Studies What concerns would you have if you, your friends and loved ones or your organizaiton(s) were involved with these practices and brain research? With simple TM practiced 2x daily, not much. My son has severe anxiety problems. His doctors counselors encourage his participation. They are QUITE aware of any problems that might be associated with TM and mental problems and still encourage his practice. None of them practice TM. Given all the State and Defense Department and corporate research into exploiting people and the masses as a whole, I'm a bit concerned about how to put constraints on any such subtle brain/mind/body research, though I want to move ahead in this research. Check out what the NRC says about meditation and the response from the TM researchers: http://tinyurl.com/nd8uz http://www.global-country.net/documentFiles/14.pdf What are your thoughts regarding solutions to pursue and preserve such research for humanity and facilitate our forward march toward subtler realms in human evolution through yoga, meditation and such? Respond to me privately if you prefer. The TMO, the Noetic Institute, organizations set up by the Dali Lama, and the database of published research found via pubmed search engine all ensure this, I think. The key is funding the research. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend wrote: The decision Pharaoh was being forced to make (by God, not by the Jews themselves, according to the Hebrew Scriptures) was to let the Israelites leave Egypt, where Pharaoh had held them in slavery and slaughtered all *their* firstborn male children, and subsequently all their male newborns. Not as efficient as Hitler's genocide, of course, but then that was a pre-technological age. And of course Passover does not commemorate the slaughter of Egyptian children, it commemorates God having saved the children of the Israelites from *being* slaughtered: the angel who was killing the Egyptian children *passed over* the children of the Israelites. This a more palatable story, to be sure. We were persecuted, but did not have to rise up and kill in our defense. Instead, God did our killing for us. It's actually *the* story. Ain't no other story. (I can hear Barry revving his engines now.) Anything else is a story *about* the story. (Collective you, not personal you, Patrick, meant from here on.) Now if you want to make up a story about how it was really the Israelites who ran around killing Egyptian children, and that the bible story is a scam, fine, just make it clear that's what you're doing. Likewise if you want to dump on the God of the Hebrew Scriptures and declare that anyone who believes in such a cruel God is a terrible person--or just dump on the idea of God in general--fine, but again, make it clear that's what you're doing. But don't misrepresent the story itself. In the story, the Israelites weren't terrorists, they were being slaughtered themselves; and Jews today don't celebrate the slaughter of the Egyptian children, they celebrate their escape from bondage and attempted genocide. Violence I can't abide I have no wish for genocide But if you wish to take my life Remember God is on my side To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 1:58:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then after the Iranian revolution, we cozied up to Saddam and gave him whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas, to use against Iran. Please, go into detail on this. I like the whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas part best. When Saddam broke away from the USSR by attacking Iran (another Soviet Client State in the Middle East), he left an opportunity for the US to exert greater influence in the region, so we turned a blind eye to his use of WMDs and Congress changed the law to allow dual-use chemicals to be sold to him. The CIA even went so far as to claim that it was the Iranians who gassed the Kurds to keep Iraq off the shit-lists as a terrorist nation. We also made sure that he had access to soviet-compatible ammo from our allies. We sold him very few weapons directly because all of his stuff was soviet-made, but we made sure he had access to replacement parts and ammo. We even tried to get him to buy from Israel, but he refused. Later on, the Soviets realized their mistake and repaired relations with him. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Home of the Free'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: snip As far as Donald Rumsfeld having the time to be interested in studying a free society, such as Holland; I would think he is too busy defending his policies being in question by many Generals and commanders speaking up to suggest he (Donald) quit, be fired, tar and feathered, or all of the above. He says it doesn't bother him or surprise him at all. Happens all the time, he says. A perfect case, along with his cronies, of 'you can lead a horse to water...'. I see it reflected equally on the Dems' side. When they [probably]win Congress, we'll see if they have *any* initiative left... Jim, did you see the article I posted excerpts from the last time you dumped on the Democrats? It's actually something of a bum rap. The problem, essentially, is that the media aren't covering what the Dems *are* doing. The article gives a number of examples. On the one hand, yes, the media has become a tool of those in power, now more than ever before. On the other hand, the reality is, that they (the Dems) are woefully ineffective Well, that's what the article argues against. They've done more than we realize because the media doesn't tell us about it. and will oftentimes be so fragmented in their response to yet another skirting of the law by the Bushies, that their response means nothing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The book Why God Won't Go Away includes discussion of some brain research while people are doing various typees of meditation. The author is a professor at th Univ of Penn in Philadelphia (can't remember his name at the moment). He is very engaged in this type of research and is a legitimate sicentist. ALl such books are written by people with agendas. All studies done on meditation are also done by people with agendas, but the scientific method is designed to reduce bias, which isn't usually the case with books, though the Noetic Instute's summary of meditation research through 1995 is a pretty neutral source, IMHO. The pubmed search engine has veritually all the latest research on meditation, etc., listed (if it's in a peer reviewed journal). The other URLs I've listed are also of value, IMHO. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch_intro1.htm Books seldom are unless you happen to already agree with the author and want a nice bullet-list of Talking Points. For TM, any of the Movement sanctioned books by TM researchers is a good start. The research coming out of the Dali Lama's institute is probably your best source for Buddhist-related meditation research. Likewise with any books that they publish. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 1:11:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, peterklutz@ writes: Perhaps the only way for the West to stand up to Islamist violence and still preserve the values of the West is to embrace Christ's teaching to turn the other cheek. Otherwise, the terrorists win. This has already been tried, by the US since the Iranian revolution. Didn't the Dalai Lama turn the other cheek? Might have done something for him personally but what did it do to Tibet? Precisely. The DL's turn the other cheek philosophy of non-violence led to a horrible bit of ultra-violence, as Little Alex would say, didn't it? If you check the original story by Jesus,the context was someone trying to *goad* you into violence. If a world leader such as the DL is intent upon being sweet and lovable but yet wants to prevent holocausts being visited upon his people, I would suggest he adopt that axiom that lovable American Teddy Bear gave us: Speak softly but carry a big stick. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Home of the Free'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: snip As far as Donald Rumsfeld having the time to be interested in studying a free society, such as Holland; I would think he is too busy defending his policies being in question by many Generals and commanders speaking up to suggest he (Donald) quit, be fired, tar and feathered, or all of the above. He says it doesn't bother him or surprise him at all. Happens all the time, he says. A perfect case, along with his cronies, of 'you can lead a horse to water...'. I see it reflected equally on the Dems' side. When they [probably]win Congress, we'll see if they have *any* initiative left... Jim, did you see the article I posted excerpts from the last time you dumped on the Democrats? It's actually something of a bum rap. The problem, essentially, is that the media aren't covering what the Dems *are* doing. The article gives a number of examples. The Democrats know how to play the media. The fact that they are not says something. The media WILL report whatever people take the timeto let themknow about, if it is done in the right way. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 1:58:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jflanegi@ writes: Then after the Iranian revolution, we cozied up to Saddam and gave him whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas, to use against Iran. Please, go into detail on this. I like the whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas part best. When Saddam broke away from the USSR by attacking Iran (another Soviet Client State in the Middle East), he left an opportunity for the US to exert greater influence in the region, so we turned a blind eye to his use of WMDs and Congress changed the law to allow dual-use chemicals to be sold to him. The CIA even went so far as to claim that it was the Iranians who gassed the Kurds to keep Iraq off the shit-lists as a terrorist nation. We also made sure that he had access to soviet-compatible ammo from our allies. We sold him very few weapons directly because all of his stuff was soviet-made, but we made sure he had access to replacement parts and ammo. We even tried to get him to buy from Israel, but he refused. Later on, the Soviets realized their mistake and repaired relations with him. ..which brings us to the first Guld War. A rarely mentioned hard fact about this war is that what was fought was a war between Soviet arms and tactics and US arms and tactics. If Moscow had any illusions about world domination having been lost, this was the final proof to them that their volontary disbanding of their social experiment was a true blessing. Unless something happens with Iran, they may become the next testing ground.. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a recent statement: The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra dharmamitra2@ wrote: This thread is interesting to witness, much like a visiting anthropologist from another more morally and spiritually evolved planet or dimension would experience. We are so fortunate to have someone more morally and spiritually evolved visit our humble forum and deign to show us the error of our ways--and from our very *own* planet and dimension, no less! We are truly blessed. Indeed we are... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for that referal, wayback, I'll look into him now. Are you familiar with any brain research done on TMers? Er, http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/biblio.htm or http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed search terms: transcendental meditation, EEG Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dharma Mitra dharmamitra2@ wrote: Thank you for that referal, wayback, I'll look into him now. Are you familiar with any brain research done on TMers? Flourishingly, Dharma Mitra All the recent brain research on TM has been done by fred travis at MUM. A good portion of it, but by no means all of it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya: I recently received this from the Shamatha Project, which will be a rather sophisticated look at 'transcendence style meditation' using all the methodologies in current brain research. You also might be interested in the Neuroscientists who are spearheading the Mind and Life Project: http://www.investigatingthemind.org/ Of course, there's no evidence that transcendence style meditation has anything to do with TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 12:15:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is Raja Wilhelm the one who does kidsha? No, that was Jacques somebody, who had been the National Leader of Holland. ANd he resigned and they attained their superradience number. Says something (perhaps) about where his heart was. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? She's both, is she not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. She is kroean so jokes about her kerean mother are hardly racist. They are jokes about the differences in social groups -- old skewl, old country culture, and americanized younger generations. She is self-proclaimed queen of the faghags so her jokes are self-effacing. She makes fun of gays also, but she could hardly be called a homophobe. Same with Grace on Will and Grace. Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 1:58:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jflanegi@ writes: Then after the Iranian revolution, we cozied up to Saddam and gave him whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas, to use against Iran. Please, go into detail on this. I like the whatever he wanted militarily, including poison gas part best. When Saddam broke away from the USSR by attacking Iran (another Soviet Client State in the Middle East), he left an opportunity for the US to exert greater influence in the region, so we turned a blind eye to his use of WMDs and Congress changed the law to allow dual- use chemicals to be sold to him. The CIA even went so far as to claim that it was the Iranians who gassed the Kurds to keep Iraq off the shit-lists as a terrorist nation. We also made sure that he had access to soviet-compatible ammo from our allies. We sold him very few weapons directly because all of his stuff was soviet-made, but we made sure he had access to replacement parts and ammo. We even tried to get him to buy from Israel, but he refused. Later on, the Soviets realized their mistake and repaired relations with him. ..which brings us to the first Guld War. A rarely mentioned hard fact about this war is that what was fought was a war between Soviet arms and tactics and US arms and tactics. If Moscow had any illusions about world domination having been lost, this was the final proof to them that their volontary disbanding of their social experiment was a true blessing. Unless something happens with Iran, they may become the next testing ground.. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a recent statement: The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm. Israel should beable to withstand any conventional attack, but at what cost? No-one survives a nuclear exchange unscathed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? She's both, is she not? Ah, misread that. It's doubtful that she's a fag hag. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: The book Why God Won't Go Away includes discussion of some brain research while people are doing various typees of meditation. The author is a professor at th Univ of Penn in Philadelphia (can't remember his name at the moment). He is very engaged in this type of research and is a legitimate sicentist. ALl such books are written by people with agendas. All studies done on meditation are also done by people with agendas, but the scientific method is designed to reduce bias, but has been shown not to be effective in doing so in many cases unless studies are double blind. Discussedin expectatons in scientif studies post of several says ago. Double blind is hard to do for meditation studies. Its more complex than dose response studies with a new drug and a placebo. Still, meditating scientists working in a high expectations institution, cannot be expected produce bias-free work. Even outside of MUM, studies with non-meditating scientists have funding sources that often have at least subtle expectations -- thats why they funded the research. It would be very cool, and the research would put us on the map, and increase donations, if we funded a meditation study that proved far more cost-effective than drugs. which isn't usually the case with books, though the Noetic Instute's summary of meditation research through 1995 is a pretty neutral source, IMHO. The pubmed search engine has veritually all the latest research on meditation, etc., listed (if it's in a peer reviewed journal). The other URLs I've listed are also of value, IMHO. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch_intro1.htm Books seldom are unless you happen to already agree with the author and want a nice bullet-list of Talking Points. For TM, any of the Movement sanctioned books by TM researchers is a good start. The research coming out of the Dali Lama's institute is probably your best source for Buddhist-related meditation research. Likewise with any books that they publish. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Congratulations to invincible Holland
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/14/06 4:54:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I guess it all comes down to what you consider 'wrong,' then: Genghis Khan--65 years Adolph Hitler--56 years Henry VIII--56 years Joseph Stalin--75 years Benito Mussolini--62 years Franciso Franco--83 years Ferdinand Marcos--72 years Pol Pot--73 years And I'm sure others can come up with more people who did a whole lot of wrong and lived a long time. wasn't it Billy Joel that sang only the good die young? * Short life does not necessarily mean an evil person -- Shankara, for example, only lived 32 years: http://tinyurl.com/kaf69 However, the principle is that a person who lives wrong simply cannot live long. The fact is that in the Kaliyuga, nearly everybody lives very wrong, so lifespan is short -- and since Kaliyuga is a time of wrongdoing, it's weak and short-lived, and can be euthanized even quicker than its natural 432K years, if a wave of spiritual regeneration takes place. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: The book Why God Won't Go Away includes discussion of some brain research while people are doing various typees of meditation. The author is a professor at th Univ of Penn in Philadelphia (can't remember his name at the moment). He is very engaged in this type of research and is a legitimate sicentist. ALl such books are written by people with agendas. All studies done on meditation are also done by people with agendas, but the scientific method is designed to reduce bias, but has been shown not to be effective in doing so in many cases unless studies are double blind. Discussedin expectatons in scientif studies post of several says ago. Double blind is hard to do for meditation studies. Its more complex than dose response studies with a new drug and a placebo. Still, meditating scientists working in a high expectations institution, cannot be expected produce bias-free work. Even outside of MUM, studies with non-meditating scientists have funding sources that often have at least subtle expectations -- thats why they funded the research. It would be very cool, and the research would put us on the map, and increase donations, if we funded a meditation study that proved far more cost-effective than drugs. The solution is to assemble a team of researchers who are proponents of different meditation techniques and to attempt to normalize expectations about all the techniques using the one with the most grandiose claims as the baseline (i.e. TM). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Research, Ethics and the Good Head
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hiya: I recently received this from the Shamatha Project, which will be a rather sophisticated look at 'transcendence style meditation' using all the methodologies in current brain research. You also might be interested in the Neuroscientists who are spearheading the Mind and Life Project: http://www.investigatingthemind.org/ Do you disagree with this characterization of Shamatha? http://www.rinpoche.com/shamatha.html [...] General Obstacles to Meditation During meditation the mind must have the right tension. For example, if we have a cat and we lock the cat up in a room, the cat will go crazy. Not finding a way to get out, it will start running up and down, mewing, and tearing things apart. But if we leave the door open, the cat will go out and take a little walk and then just come back in and fall asleep in the room. Similarly, if we begin our meditation thinking, I really must stop thinking and keep my mind very concentrated and peaceful, we will constantly be worried and think, Oh, I've had a thought! or Now I'm getting too tense. We will then work ourselves up so much that we can't stop thinking. So relax, just let the mind go and think, Whatever comes, it just comes and goes. If we sit there very relaxed and let it all happen, we won't have very much trouble meditating. If we use mindfulness and awareness properly in our meditation, our mind will become tranquil. There are two main obstacles to the tranquility of the mind. One is becoming too relaxed and the other is becoming too tense. When we become too relaxed, we start to follow our thoughts and become absorbed in them. When we are too tense, we make too much effort focusing on the idea of concentrating and being tranquil so that in the end our mind cannot remain tranquil and we become distracted. We have to constantly try to find the balance between being too tense and too relaxed by finding just the right amount of effort to put into our meditation. Saraha, a great mahasiddha, said that when we meditate, the mind should be like a thread of the Brahmin. In India the Brahmins used to spin a lot of thread. If one puts too much tension on it, the thread breaks. If the thread is too loose, then it won't be strong enough. In the same way, when we meditate, the mind should maintain the right amount of alertness; neither too tight, nor too loose. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Your point was? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- authfriend wrote: Jews today don't celebrate the slaughter of the Egyptian children, they celebrate their escape from bondage and attempted genocide. Thanks. Point taken. And it's not as if Yahweh didn't escalate the pressure gradually, giving Pharaoh lots of chances to release the Jews before the Egyptian body count got very high. I guess I was just feeling sensitive. After the first Gulf War, Americans were reveling in our victory and the end of the conflict. My brother Steve couldn't join in the fun, though. He couldn't forget that some 100,000 Iraqis had been killed in a matter of days. But I can't expect the world to be as sensitive as my brother. And what did sensitivity do for him? He drank himself to death by age 48. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- sparaig wrote: If you check the original story by Jesus,the context was someone trying to *goad* you into violence. Um, I checked it and got this: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 See similar teachings from other religions at http://tinyurl.com/n2ovc Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. She is kroean so jokes about her kerean mother are hardly racist. They are jokes about the differences in social groups -- old skewl, old country culture, and americanized younger generations. She is self-proclaimed queen of the faghags so her jokes are self-effacing. She makes fun of gays also, but she could hardly be called a homophobe. Same with Grace on Will and Grace. Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. Well, it ties to your larger point if these comedians and forums make fun of blacks/Jews/Muslims etc. as a group in the same way, i.e., to demean them. Demean is probably the key word here--as is my qualification about folks who are born into the group or who grew up with a particular behavior characteristic of the group. Behavioral *choices*, especially those made in adulthood, are another matter entirely. As I said, they're fair game as far as I'm concerned. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. Yes, I understand the point you're making. However, I'd be really, really surprised if any of these people or shows have ever made jokes that demeaned blacks for being lazy, or Jews for being stingy, say, *unless* it was in the context of making fun of the folks who say such things seriously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- sparaig wrote: --- peterklutz wrote: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a recent statement: The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm. Israel should beable to withstand any conventional attack, but at what cost? No-one survives a nuclear exchange unscathed. Apparently one big reason the U.S. is coming down so hard on Iran is that if we don't do it, Israel will, and then the world of Islam will *really* be pissed. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: ---authfriend wrote: Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Probably. But I consider all such criticisms of humor to be category errors. In my world, humor cannot be racist, insensitive, unjustified or subject to any descriptors other than funny or not funny. All humor derives from something being wrong or out of the ordinary. To condemn it for being *too* wrong or *too* out of the ordinary seems to miss the point. To me, it's either amusing or not. The greatest condemnation I can apply to a joke is not to be amused. Well said. Humor is exempt. It has immunity, and is beyond the jurisdiction of political correctness. Mm... Did you hear the one about the two niggers? Yeah, wasn't the punchline something about all them niggers want is tight pussy and a warm place to shit? If a comedian / comedy entourage makes fun of everyone, and if they are funny, its hard to make a case of bigotry. I don't recall The Onion ever having made fun of black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*. Is Margaret Chou a bigot when she makes fun of her korean mother? Or faghags? I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend wrote: Jews today don't celebrate the slaughter of the Egyptian children, they celebrate their escape from bondage and attempted genocide. Thanks. Point taken. And it's not as if Yahweh didn't escalate the pressure gradually, giving Pharaoh lots of chances to release the Jews before the Egyptian body count got very high. I guess I was just feeling sensitive. After the first Gulf War, Americans were reveling in our victory and the end of the conflict. My brother Steve couldn't join in the fun, though. He couldn't forget that some 100,000 Iraqis had been killed in a matter of days. But I can't expect the world to be as sensitive as my brother. And what did sensitivity do for him? He drank himself to death by age 48. I'm so sorry to hear it. What a curse war is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig wrote: --- peterklutz wrote: President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in a recent statement: The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm. Israel should beable to withstand any conventional attack, but at what cost? No-one survives a nuclear exchange unscathed. Apparently one big reason the U.S. is coming down so hard on Iran is that if we don't do it, Israel will, and then the world of Islam will *really* be pissed. Except that I've been reading that Israel doesn't think Iran is that much of a threat to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian... Non sequitur. +++ Brown is a new race? Looks like a double non seequiter. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig wrote: If you check the original story by Jesus,the context was someone trying to *goad* you into violence. Um, I checked it and got this: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 See similar teachings from other religions at http://tinyurl.com/n2ovc He doesn't say anything about letting yourself be truely harmed either. Cheek slaps, clothes and a little extra exercise might not mean what everyone thinks it does... JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Usually that's why women hang out with gay men, but not to chase them. They do it because of the absence of sexual tension; they can enjoy the company of the opposite sex without having to be constantly on guard against being hit on. I went through a period of fag haggery myself when I was a lot younger and not really sure of myself around heterosexual men. (Some of the friends I made then are still among my very closest, so I'm really glad I had the opportunity.) Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? I don't think chasing is really it, Lawson. I'm not even sure that's what fag hag refers to at all. In the sense I defined it above, making fun of a fag hag could be done on the basis that homosexuals are somehow inferior people (sort of like nigger lover). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 markmeredith@ wrote: From The OnionApril 12, 2006 | Issue 4215 MUMBAIAir India, the subcontinent's largest airline, announced it will offer upgraded Business Caste seating on all flights starting in July. More legroom, wider seatsand no need to associate with the manual laborers, a spokesman for the airline said Tuesday. Our business travelers must have lived good past lives to deserve this. Air India still ranks at the bottom of the airline industry in customer satisfaction, with a high volume of complaints about cooking fires in the climate-uncontrolled cabins, wandering cows that flight attendants refuse to remove, and the Untouchable Coach Caste, which is towed behind Air India jetliners in a giant burlap sack. Does this strike anybody as just a wee bit racist? Is Hindu a race? Indian Hindus are generally brown people. Hence the name Caucasian... Non sequitur. +++ Brown is a new race? Looks like a double non seequiter. N. Oh, please. You can't be *ignorant* of the racism against Indians, can you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Usually that's why women hang out with gay men, but not to chase them. They do it because of the absence of sexual tension; they can enjoy the company of the opposite sex without having to be constantly on guard against being hit on. I went through a period of fag haggery myself when I was a lot younger and not really sure of myself around heterosexual men. (Some of the friends I made then are still among my very closest, so I'm really glad I had the opportunity.) Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? I don't think chasing is really it, Lawson. I'm not even sure that's what fag hag refers to at all. In the sense I defined it above, making fun of a fag hag could be done on the basis that homosexuals are somehow inferior people (sort of like nigger lover). The only people I've heard referring to fag hags are gay men. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Usually that's why women hang out with gay men, but not to chase them. They do it because of the absence of sexual tension; they can enjoy the company of the opposite sex without having to be constantly on guard against being hit on. I went through a period of fag haggery myself when I was a lot younger and not really sure of myself around heterosexual men. (Some of the friends I made then are still among my very closest, so I'm really glad I had the opportunity.) Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? I don't think chasing is really it, Lawson. I'm not even sure that's what fag hag refers to at all. In the sense I defined it above, making fun of a fag hag could be done on the basis that homosexuals are somehow inferior people (sort of like nigger lover). The only people I've heard referring to fag hags are gay men. I can't account for why that would be the case. I've heard it from all kindsa people. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- jyouells2000 wrote: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 He doesn't say anything about letting yourself be truely harmed either. Cheek slaps, clothes and a little extra exercise might not mean what everyone thinks it does... Hey, I like that interpretation. Forbearance and forgiveness only apply to slapping, the taking of clothing and forced marches of one mile. In all other slights, Christians are free to kick ass. Oh yeah, and to crucifiction. Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Otherwise, somebody messes with you, put him down. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fishapod fossil - suck on this, Creationists!
--- --- Articles in Nature, as reported in TIME. Paleontologist Michael J. Novacek states, regarding the newly discovered missing link between fish and amphibians (the fishapod or Tiktaalik): (p. 60, Time Magazine, Darwin Would Have Loved It): Now there is new and powerful evidence in Tiktaalik for the steps that backboned animals took to crawl out of the sea in the first place. Many who reject evolution in favor of divine creation claim that the fossil record doesn't contain the so-called transitional species anticipated by Darwin's theory. This ancient, walking fish is yet more evidence that such an argument is simply wrong; all sorts of missing links preserved in exquisite detail have been and will be discovered. - Dr. Michael J. Novacek, Curator of Paleontology at the American Museum of Natural History. http://www.boingboing.net/2006/04/06/fishapod_fossil_suck.html --- End forwarded message --- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- authfriend wrote: --- Gillam wrote: Apparently one big reason the U.S. is coming down so hard on Iran is that if we don't do it, Israel will, and then the world of Islam will *really* be pissed. Except that I've been reading that Israel doesn't think Iran is that much of a threat to it. I got my impression from Seymour Hersch's article in this week's New Yorker. Two excerpts: Meir Dagan, the head of Mossad, Israel's intelligence agency, told the Knesset last December that Iran is one to two years away, at the latest, from having enriched uranium. From that point, the completion of their nuclear weapon is simply a technical matter. A key ally with an important voice in the debate is Israel, whose leadership has warned for years that it viewed any attempt by Iran to begin enriching uranium as a point of no return. I was told by several officials that the White House's interest in preventing an Israeli attack on a Muslim country, which would provoke a backlash across the region, was a factor in its decision to begin the current operational planning. In a speech in Cleveland on March 20th, President Bush depicted Ahmadinejad's hostility toward Israel as a serious threat. It's a threat to world peace. He added, I made it clear, I'll make it clear again, that we will use military might to protect our ally Israel. See http://tinyurl.com/hyfsf To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies - correction
--- Gillam wrote: Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Should read, Jesus asked his Father to forgive the crucifiers. Of course, that may have been a specific instance, and not universally applicable. Jesus could be fickle. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip I'm not familiar with Chou's jokes about her mother. It would depend. As to fag hags, that's a bit different, because fag haggery is a behavior of choice--usually adult choice--not something one is born into or brought up with. Behaviors of choice are pretty much fair game, by me. On the other hand, if by making fun of fag hags she's also making fun of homosexuals *as a group*, that's another story entirely. Fag hags are women that chase homosexual men because they are homosexual. Yes, or women who just hang out with homosexual men. Usually those are not given the term fag hag unless they hang with them BECAUSE they are homosexual. Usually that's why women hang out with gay men, but not to chase them. They do it because of the absence of sexual tension; they can enjoy the company of the opposite sex without having to be constantly on guard against being hit on. I went through a period of fag haggery myself when I was a lot younger and not really sure of myself around heterosexual men. (Some of the friends I made then are still among my very closest, so I'm really glad I had the opportunity.) Your point was? How would making fun of a fag hag be making fun of the people they are chasing? I don't think chasing is really it, Lawson. I'm not even sure that's what fag hag refers to at all. In the sense I defined it above, making fun of a fag hag could be done on the basis that homosexuals are somehow inferior people (sort of like nigger lover). The only people I've heard referring to fag hags are gay men. I can't account for why that would be the case. I've heard it from all kindsa people. Eh, I haven't heard the term for 25 years until recently. Useage changes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. Well, it ties to your larger point if these comedians and forums make fun of blacks/Jews/Muslims etc. as a group in the same way, i.e., to demean them. Demean is probably the key word here--as is my qualification about folks who are born into the group or who grew up with a particular behavior characteristic of the group. Behavioral *choices*, especially those made in adulthood, are another matter entirely. As I said, they're fair game as far as I'm concerned. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. Yes, I understand the point you're making. However, I'd be really, really surprised if any of these people or shows have ever made jokes that demeaned blacks for being lazy, or Jews for being stingy, say, *unless* it was in the context of making fun of the folks who say such things seriously. Ok. I see your point. I am not arguing, but exploring. Lets look at various comedy over the next month or so and see. Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly demean some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) Jack (Will and Grace) [gays are queens] Pheobe (Friends) [blondes -- and women -- are ditzy] Gracie (Burns and Allen) [Women -- are ditzy] Tony (Taxi) [Italians are big, lunks with limited brains] Ross (Friends) [Jews are intellectual geeks] Latka (Taxi) [foreigners are dumb] Early Rachel (Friends) [Jewish suburban girls are princesses] All (South Park)[skewers most every one] Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Seinfeld (Jerry) [Jews are clever but whiny] Eddie Murphy (48 Hours) [Blacks are uppity] Eddie Murphy (SNL Buckwheat) [Blacks are slow and dumb] All (Blazing Saddles) [So many demeaning characterizations -- where to start .. Blacks are lazy and shiftless, WASPS are bumbling and corrupt, back woods hillbillies are stupid ...] HotLips, Hawkeye... MASH [.] Ben Stiller (Meet the Fawkers,...) [Jews are .. , WASPs are , Women are ..., Men are ... ] Eddie Murphy, (Bowfinger) [Blacks... ] Steve Martin (The Jerk) [Blacks,Whites ...] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Heresies
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jyouells2000 wrote: You have heard that it was said, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Matthew 5.38-41 He doesn't say anything about letting yourself be truely harmed either. Cheek slaps, clothes and a little extra exercise might not mean what everyone thinks it does... Hey, I like that interpretation. Forbearance and forgiveness only apply to slapping, the taking of clothing and forced marches of one mile. In all other slights, Christians are free to kick ass. Oh yeah, and to crucifiction. Jesus asked forgiveness of those who crucified him. Otherwise, somebody messes with you, put him down. Yeah, now you got it. Because if we know one thing for sure, Jesus was totally litteral. No symbolism, no parables, no metaphors. What you hear is what you get. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] How Iowa wreaks havoc on the country
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/15/technology/15online.html Capitalism on the Cob By DAN MITCHELL Published: April 15, 2006 MICHAEL POLLAN'S new book, The Omnivore's Dilemma: A Natural History of Four Meals, describes a nation that is the victim of a plague of corn. The No. 1 legal crop is the perfect capitalist plant, he said on Fresh Air on NPR this week. About a third of Mr. Pollan's book is taken up with corn. It is the keystone species of the industrial food chain that feeds most of us, he said in an interview with Techdirt.com. America, Mr. Pollan says, has a national eating disorder. To describe it, the book traces the creation of four meals: one industrial, two organic, and one procured by the author himself as a hunter-gatherer. There are problems with each, but the industrial meal, not surprisingly, is the most troublesome. He traces it from an Iowa cornfield to its final form fast food scarfed down in a moving car. All along that journey, corn wreaks havoc. The overuse of nitrogen fertilizers leads to occasional blue baby alerts in Des Moines warning parents that nitrate-loaded tap water could render their babies' brains unable to receive oxygen. Those same fertilizers flow down the Mississippi into the Gulf of Mexico, where they seasonally create a dead zone the size of New Jersey that is dangerous to sea life. By virtue of its being paved over with corn, Iowa is, in its way, the most developed state in the country, he told NPR. On the market, corn is cheap, Mr. Pollan points out. But the costs to the environment, to the economy, and to the health care system are enormous. We eat so much corn that, biologically speaking, most Americans are corn on two legs, Bonnie Azab Powell, a journalist, wrote on NewsCenter site of the University of California, Berkeley (berkeley.edu/news). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Air India Now Offers Business Caste Seating
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: Regarding the Onion, I can't cite specific jokes about black people *as a group*, or of Jews *as a group*, or of Muslims *as a group*, but I almost can -- I have a generalized memory of things along those lines. Lets look for them as an interesting exercise. Which ties to my larger point -- that there are a number of comedians and forums that don't exclusively target any group, and also don't refrain from targeting any group. Well, it ties to your larger point if these comedians and forums make fun of blacks/Jews/Muslims etc. as a group in the same way, i.e., to demean them. Demean is probably the key word here--as is my qualification about folks who are born into the group or who grew up with a particular behavior characteristic of the group. Behavioral *choices*, especially those made in adulthood, are another matter entirely. As I said, they're fair game as far as I'm concerned. The Onion, John Stewart, the Corbert Report, SNL, Mad TV,etc. Its the universality of their highlighting the foibles of all and any group that make them immune IMO to charges of bigotry. If you look at some sketches individually, they can look ghastly bigoted -- but when the work is taken as a whole, one realizes it humor aimed at the entire human comedy, not individual groups. Yes, I understand the point you're making. However, I'd be really, really surprised if any of these people or shows have ever made jokes that demeaned blacks for being lazy, or Jews for being stingy, say, *unless* it was in the context of making fun of the folks who say such things seriously. Ok. I see your point. I am not arguing, but exploring. Lets look at various comedy over the next month or so and see. Just off the top of my head -- some comedy that possibly demean some groups and stereotypes -- but does so in the context of so many mult-dimensional barbs aimed at many others that it is not bigoted (these are top of my head, hypotheses - not firm arguments ) OK, I'm at a disadvantage here because I haven't watched most of these shows (and I ain't gonna just for the sake of this discussion, either!). But a couple of observations. First, I don't think a comedy that features a particular minority-type character with flaws can really be said to be attributing the flaws to the minority as a whole, especially if the character is a sympathetic one. And if it's a group being demeaned, but at the same time the members of the group featured in the comedy are also shown to have attractive characteristics, it also falls short of the kind of thing I think is offensive. At any rate, the shows you mention, partly because they're *shows*, are all in pretty much a different category than a piece of writing in which a group is demeaned without ever showing the group's positive side. One other point: When the unattractive characteristic is actually harmful, there's a lot more basis for holding it up to ridicule. The caste system in India is clearly harmful. I've heard the veneration of cows criticized as harmful--can't recall the reasons--but among the world's evils, it doesn't seem like such a big deal. And what on earth is harmful about cooking over a fire? Those two were just plain gratuitous, suggesting that Indians are basically uncivilized. Of course these things would be harmful *on a plane*, but nobody actually brings cows on a plane or tries to do their cooking over a fire on a plane. If they'd wanted to keep it consistent and inoffensive while still criticizing the caste system, they'd have thought of something that lower-caste people tend to do on planes that *isn't* harmful but is disdained by the higher castes, so that the criticism remained focused on those who are scornful of the lower castes, not those who are the object of the scorn. I'm sure it wasn't intended to be bigoted, it was just not well thought out. Jack (Will and Grace) [gays are queens] Pheobe (Friends) [blondes -- and women -- are ditzy] Gracie (Burns and Allen) [Women -- are ditzy] Tony (Taxi) [Italians are big, lunks with limited brains] Ross (Friends) [Jews are intellectual geeks] Latka (Taxi) [foreigners are dumb] Early Rachel (Friends) [Jewish suburban girls are princesses] All (South Park)[skewers most every one] Redd Foxx (Sanford and Sons ) [Blacks are uneducated, boisterous and crude] Seinfeld (Jerry) [Jews are clever but whiny] Eddie Murphy (48 Hours) [Blacks are uppity] Eddie Murphy (SNL Buckwheat) [Blacks are slow and dumb] All (Blazing Saddles) [So many demeaning characterizations -- where to start .. Blacks are lazy and shiftless, WASPS are bumbling and corrupt, back woods hillbillies are
