[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my 12 year experience in Alanon 12 step it would appear to me that virtualy all of us were attracted to the movement because of our abusive backgrounds. Not only were most of us that way but it would appear from my 7 year residency here that the unhealthiest of us ended up moving to FF to get to the bottom of our issues. It would never fly as research on campus but you don't have to talk to very many people to realize that we all came with a heavy load of karma. My own research in helping those around me says that everyone you scratch has a load of that stuff and most of it has been papered over as in we can transcent our way through it. My experience is the only way through it is out through the bottom. One has to hit bottom to move on. Basic story for all addicts, hit bottom to get beyond it. We were addicted to the idea that we could transcend our way over it or around it. Not so. Bottom or nothing. That is my personal opinion. Tom PS the statistics given in the book When Society Becomes an Addict by Ann Marie Wilson Schief says that 98% of us have serious abuse issues. Just following up because I think it's an interesting subject, I think that the key to the above point of view is in the last sentence. That is, one tends to view the world in terms of one's own experience. The author in question had problems with addiction; there- fore she sees 98% of the people around her as having had problems with addiction, a point of view that is so obviously distorted it barely deserves comment. One *can* structure a world view around that level of projection, but it isn't necessarily a valid world view. The world is as we are is true, but only true 1) as long as one gives in to past samskaras and stays in the same old tired state of attention and interprets one's experiences in the same old tired way that they appear from that state of attention, and 2) as long as there is a 'we' *to* interpret things. There *is* a demonstrable likelihood in spiritual commun- ities to see people who are coming from a this-life history of abuse, either at the hands of other people or from within. But that's just one segment of the people who wind up attracted to spiritual communities. Others are there for completely different reasons, and carry with them an entirely different set of karmas. In my case, addiction has never been much of a problem (knock wood). I was always able to pretty much take any of the substances I dabbled with or leave them. In the end I mainly left them. But in my case there was a sense of *familiarity* with the better days of the TMO as a spiritual community that felt right to me at the time. With time, it became evident that -- from my perspective -- it was a spiritual community that was missing the most important component of a spiritual community -- compassion and caring for the other members of the community -- and that as such it just wasn't the place for me. But for others it provides as close as they think they're going to get in this incarnation, and as such is a fertile field for the kind of growth they wish to undertake. Also, one facet of the ongoing mystery of spiritual communities that I think a lot of people ignore is how much baggage the students bring *with* them when they flock to a spiritual teacher. With a strong teacher, one who is experienced in dealing with students, the less-than-positive baggage is discouraged, or not tolerated, and doesn't proliferate through the organ- ization as it grows. However, with a less-than-experienced teacher (and *do* remember that Guru Dev *discouraged* Maharishi from being a teacher, setting him instead on a path of silence and reclusivity), the baggage that the students carry with them can and does proliferate within the community. As a result you often see strong hierarchical power games start to emerge as people who are used to fighting or toadying their way to the top do so within yet another organization, or you see people who have a tendency to dominate other people using the spiritual organization as a mechanism for doing that all over again. When such behavior is tolerated within a spiritual community, well duh...of course it can be interpreted as an integral *part* of a spiritual community, and that is not necessarily true; I have encountered communities in which none of that stuff is present. It isn't present because it would never be tolerated. And yet in other spiritual communities, it seems to define them. It's a real puzzle, and one of the reasons I still hang out here, and on other spiritual forums representing traditions I've never been part of. The more things seem different, the more they stay the same, across the board. You see the same kinds of issues that people talk about here with regard to TM and the TMO crop up in almost *all* forums dealing with spiritual commun- ities.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: blissbunn1 writes snipped: Whoever asked about how many meditators, siddha's, teachers yadda yadda had abusive childhoods is on to a very illuminating thesis. Do you think a study like that could be included in the collected research on TM? Tom T: From my 12 year experience in Alanon 12 step it would appear to me that virtualy all of us were attracted to the movement because of our abusive backgrounds. Not only were most of us that way but it would appear from my 7 year residency here that the unhealthiest of us ended up moving to FF to get to the bottom of our issues. It would never fly as research on campus but you don't have to talk to very many people to realize that we all came with a heavy load of karma. My own research in helping those around me says that everyone you scratch has a load of that stuff and most of it has been papered over as in we can transcent our way through it. My experience is the only way through it is out through the bottom. One has to hit bottom to move on. Basic story for all addicts, hit bottom to get beyond it. We were addicted to the idea that we could transcend our way over it or around it. Not so. Bottom or nothing. That is my personal opinion. Tom PS the statistics given in the book When Society Becomes an Addict by Ann Marie Wilson Schief says that 98% of us have serious abuse issues. So, by the 98% statistic, the TMO is loaded with perfectly average people. IOW, its a meaningless statistic in this context. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: blissbunn1 writes snipped: Whoever asked about how many meditators, siddha's, teachers yadda yadda had abusive childhoods is on to a very illuminating thesis. Do you think a study like that could be included in the collected research on TM? Tom T: From my 12 year experience in Alanon 12 step it would appear to me that virtualy all of us were attracted to the movement because of our abusive backgrounds. Not only were most of us that way but it would appear from my 7 year residency here that the unhealthiest of us ended up moving to FF to get to the bottom of our issues. It would never fly as research on campus but you don't have to talk to very many people to realize that we all came with a heavy load of karma. \ 'Way too much self importance here for me. I never had the least hint of an abusive life. I think the person who originally postulated that theory got it *backwards*. People are drawn to TM and movements like it because they're *used* to them, but not from this life. That is, they've paid their dues in so many monastic, reclusive spiritual communities over the incarnations that the first time one appears in one's current life- time one tends to glom onto it, thinking it will be like the communities one hazily remembers from previous lives. Sigh...obviously t'ain't always so. Then again, maybe all those lives in Asian monastic communities weren't nearly as problem-free as we like to tell ourselves, either. Anyway, I just had to go on record as saying that for once I completely disagree with Tom T. That's so rare it deserved a post. :-) To be perfectly honest, when I started TM, I was a flake. I'm still a flake, but perhaps a more mature one. A few weeks after I started TM at the age of 18, I called a girl that I knew from H.S. and chatted a while. She wanted to know what I'd been doing because I was years more mature than I had been just a month or so earlier. Likewise, when I ran with a New Age type person a year or two later, everyone in the New Age community commented that he had an ancient soul while mine was brand new. These days, the New Age folk often comment that *I* have an ancient soul. Of course, I have solid gray hair now, so perhaps thats all it is (the guy I ran 30 years ago was the same age as I was or even younger so it wasn't the gray hair in his case). I don't know for certain that TM has helped me in any way, shape or form, but I still notice a reduction in my ability to cope with life when I skip practice, and so does my family. Not to mention that my dad had already had heart problems by this age, and he was NOT 100 pounds overweight as I am. My BP was 125/70 last I checked and almost never goes above that. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] In other words, after nearly 40 years on a spiritual path, I really don't believe that the only way one can get past one's samskaras is to bottom out on them. One can also transcend them, or have them fall away and be left behind as effortlessly as a snake leaves behind last season's skin. The process is probably different for every seeker, and probably has been different for every seeker ever born in human history. Regardless of how relatively low (or high) the bottom is, one can go up only AFTER one has bottomed out. Of course, any of these may be local minima, but one can hope that the latest one is the absolute minimum. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] 'The Technology of the Future'
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Karen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 degrees Gemini The Angels of Technical Inventions Also known as The Angels of 'Yparcha'Beloved,'We are in charge of the custody of technical inventions. Under seal of secrecy, we tell a mature person what progress the world will have made in fifty, in a hundred or in even more years than that as far as technical inventions are concerned. We inspire, by intuition, technical inventions to the mature person when the time is right.'The highest power of electrical resonance of The Unified Field is accessed from the slowest Delta brainwave state of Pure Being unified with Divine Consciousness and all Creation. From a state of Pure Being and unity with ALL, omnipotent divine will for the highest good of all then flows into a visualized image like lightening. It flows into the level of mind, the Theta brainwave state of deep inner thought where it is contemplated and understood. Both Delta and Theta are electric. These ideas then generate flowing feelings which are magnetic in the Alpha brainwave state, and finally these feelings attract changes into the physical form state, which is perceived in the Beta brainwave state of the five senses, memory, and logic. Both Alpha and Beta are magnetic.Divine states of will and feeling are omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient. Electromagnetic pulses and rhythms, especially divine ones, activate changes. Inwardly they activate powerful psychoactive chemicals in the pineal, pituitary, and other glands. In this way the genius of miracle working is psychoactively heightened.Outwardly, electromagnetic pulses and rhythms activate changes in omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient Unified Field of Divine Consciousness and Life through the Law of Correspondance, the 'as above, so below'.The heavenly hosts of 'Yparcha' seek to inspire the understanding of practical applications of electro-magnetic fluids through creations of technical inventions that serve to bring Heaven to Earth.Basic electricity and magnetism, or will and feeling, are understood and technical inventions across a broad spectrum are then inspired within those who are spiritually mature, who will only create according to the highest good of all concerned. This is done according to the dictates of Divine Providence through the divine virtues of 'Yparcha'.By understanding that there are two kinds of energy, electrical fluids and magnetic fluids, and that electricity is male and magnetism is female, they can besymbolized as the plus and the minus.In computer language, the electrical and magnetic are known as the 1 and the 0.The most basic principle is that electromagnetic energy is FLOWING INTENT combined with FLOWING FEELINGS. This is why the ancients refer to Will as the "electrical fluid" and Feeling as the "magnetic fluid".Frequency, cycles, and the rhythms of life are the divine virtue of Y of ''Yparcha', shining with a pink light and vibrating to the musical note of C sharp. The heart is formed from this virtue. Frequency, cycles, and the rhythms of life are a virtue of the most dense level of omnipresent akasha, or consciousness penetrating all, so it has the sensation of ethereal earth, or weight penetrating all. This virtue is mastered in Delta brainwaves of Pure Being, the consciousness of the infant self that is ONE WITH ALL, combined with Beta brainwaves of the adult self, of memory, logic, and the five senses.By meditating on this virtue, we inspire WISDOM concerning purity of INTENTand FEELINGS, the perfecting of INTENT and alignment with Omnipotent Divine Will for the highest good of all to properly determine the best frequency vibration of the electrical fluid of a technical invention. In addition, the perfecting of FLOWING FEELINGS with Pure Divine Feelings determines the rhythm and cycles of the magnetic fluid.Remember that the three aspects of Divine Being are Love, Wisdom, and Power. It is important to note that wisdom is the combination of Power, which is will, electric, and male with magnetic Love, which is flowing feeling and feminine.Therefore, wisdom is the offspring of male and female, or 'the middle path of Buddha', or the perfection of the electromagnetic fluid, of Will and Feeling. Therefore the original blueprints of perfection show that electrical inventions are to be created and used with the highest wisdom to bless all creation in the highest way.The longing for spiritual perfection and unity with Divine Light is the virtue of letter P, vibrating to the musical note of B, and shining with a dark grey light. The right side of the nose is formed from it. It is a grounding virtue, a virtue of the earth and adult Beta brainwaves, so it has the sensation of weight.This longing for spiritual
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo
Take a look at the Web site of the Publishers Marketing Association, a nonprofit association of independent publishers, for more on this endeavor: http://pma-online.org Michael--you could become a member of PMA if you were interested. Costs $109 a year and worth every penny for the support and advice and expertise. It looks very interesting. They have some valuable marketing aids. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. Not to mention killing the messenger. There is a great deal of resistance on the part of members of Indian-based spiritual groups to equating the Vedic Science movement with Christian Fundament- alism, but I think that not only is it a valid parallel, it's something that seekers should be more aware of. Far too many of them just accept what they've been told about the Vedas and Indian history (much of it myth) as gospel truth, when it just might not be. But isn't it fascinating that when this issue comes up, the first post reacting to it on FFL is an attempt to demonize and discredit the author? Typical. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo
I'd be interested to hear whether you're satisfied with the final product (i.e., with what lulu.com does for you). I'm a freelance editor, and sometimes my writer clients want to explore self-publishing options, so it would be nice to have a company to recommend (or warn folks away from, depending!) This particular service has a very low start-up cost (free), but is for those who are technically minded and can do the prep work themselves (layout, cover design). Unless you have problems there is no human contact at all. It's like the ATM of publishing. It does offers great author control. You can even make changes after the book is in print. The cost per copy is fairly high ($4.xx plus .02 per page) It leaves room for a decent royalty as long as people order directly from lulu or me. To go into mainstream distribution one might want something else. There's no commitment so you can always switch to something else. I can let you know more after I've worked with them for a while. I very much enjoyed reading the first 11 chapters on your Web site (which I was able to access the second time I tried). I do have one suggestion, though: make the margins wider so the lines of type aren't so long. I found myself getting crosseyed after the first few paragraphs! Otherwise, very nicely done. Congratulations! I hope you have a lot of success with the book. Thanks, Judy. I guess I should tell people that the page is dynamic in width. You can control the column width by dragging your window narrower. At one time all web pages were like that; now it is getting rare. I don't really expect most people to read that much on screen. Don't know if I would. Something about the printed page that's so much more comfortable. I know I said technology is great but I'm actually a ludite. I like the touch and feel of real things. You're probably used to reading things on screen being an editor. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Four divisions of speech in Rgveda!
Nice example in asyavaamasya-suukta 45 (39: Rco akSare...) of how paying attention to the word order is rather important in translating Vedic: catvâri vâk parimitâ padâni tâni vidur brâhmaNâ ye manîSiNaH | guhâ trîNi nihitâ nengayanti* turîyaM vâco manuSyâ vadanti || Guessing an easier word order: (catvaari padaani)(parimitaa vaak) Ralph Griffith's translation: 45 Speech hath been measured out in four divisions, the Brahmans who have understanding know them. Three kept in close concealment cause no motion; of speech, men speak only the fourth division. *) na (not) + ingayanti (cause motion) wink wink! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy more of it as well that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now if Wal- mart could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well. The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart attempts to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over the past 15 years. snip +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the middle class to exist? N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
On May 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. Not to mention killing the messenger. And that killing of the messenger in this specific context is an artifact of clinging to the idea that the vedas and science go hand- in-hand. We all grew up in a technological age and so it's a very compelling idea, but not necessaily the truth of the matter. It could be we just bought into the commercial and the advertisement that is part and parcel of the TM PR machine. Once one recognizes they made this error, they do understand why that occurred and also notice why others would do the same or why it's a comfortable blanket to hold onto. But basically it's just spin to play with our own attachment to science as a belief system. There is a great deal of resistance on the part of members of Indian-based spiritual groups to equating the Vedic Science movement with Christian Fundament- alism, but I think that not only is it a valid parallel, it's something that seekers should be more aware of. Far too many of them just accept what they've been told about the Vedas and Indian history (much of it myth) as gospel truth, when it just might not be. What throws people off is that Indian spiritual thought represents the *left* of American (and western) thought and lifestyle-- fundamentalism, generally, the *right*. But in India, the movements which seek to try to make the vedas scientific are fundamentalist, right-wing nationalists. They're like our religious right, our moral majority. But isn't it fascinating that when this issue comes up, the first post reacting to it on FFL is an attempt to demonize and discredit the author? Typical. Yes, I'm not surprised because at one time I would've done the same thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
TorquiseB writes snipped: Just following up because I think it's an interesting subject, I think that the key to the above point of view is in the last sentence. That is, one tends to view the world in terms of one's own experience. The author in question had problems with addiction; there- fore she sees 98% of the people around her as having had problems with addiction, a point of view that is so obviously distorted it barely deserves comment. Tom T: You might tend to disagree if you haven't recognized that any belief is an addiction. How do I know that to be true. Try and lose or change core beliefs. Mull it over a little and thanks for your comments. As you have said before it is sometimes good to agree to disagree.Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes snipped: Just following up because I think it's an interesting subject, I think that the key to the above point of view is in the last sentence. That is, one tends to view the world in terms of one's own experience. The author in question had problems with addiction; there- fore she sees 98% of the people around her as having had problems with addiction, a point of view that is so obviously distorted it barely deserves comment. Tom T: You might tend to disagree if you haven't recognized that any belief is an addiction. Hardly a view that most people would subscribe to, but as you say, we can agree to disagree. How do I know that to be true. Try and lose or change core beliefs. Easiest thing in the world. Like the aforementioned snake sloughing off a no-longer-useful skin. You look back, and there it is on the ground, no longer needed, no problem. You have to have a self for it to be attached to a belief. Drop the self, or change selves several times a day, and what's to be attached to? Mull it over a little and thanks for your comments. As you have said before it is sometimes good to agree to disagree.Tom One could, if one swung that way, claim that beliefs are addictions. However, given that claim, to claim that 98% of the US population is 'addicted' means, statistically, that everyone over the age of three is addicted. The theory itself might be interesting if you swing that way, but the figure still smells of the orifice it was plucked from. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Sanskrit anyone?
On May 22, 2006, at 11:51 PM, off_world_beings wrote:What are the various possible translations of the following:(I know what they mean, just wondered if there are other possible translations of them)Ananda1anandamfn. joyless , cheerless ; (%{As}) m. pl.N. of a purgatory Up. [25,2]2Anandam. happiness , joy , enjoyment , sensual pleasure RV. AV. VS. R. Ragh. c. ; m. and (%{am}) n. `" pure happiness "' , one of the three attributes of A1tman or Brahman in the Veda1nta philosophy Veda1ntas. c. ; m. (in dram.) the thing wished for , the end of the drama [e.g. the VIth Act in the Ven2is.] Sa1h. 399 ; a kind of flute ; the sixteenth Muhu1rta ; N. of S3iva ; of a Lokes3vara (Buddh.) ; of a Bala (Jain.) L. ; of several men ; of a country ; m. and (%{am}) n. N. of the forty-eighth year of the cycle of Jupiter ; (%{A} and %{I}) f. N. of two plants L. ; (%{A}) f. N. of Gauri1 L. ; (%{am}) n. a kind of house ; (often at the beginning and end of proper names.)Buddhi1buddhif. the power of forming and retaining conceptions and general notions , intelligence , reason , intellect , mind , discernment , judgment Mn. MBh. c. ; perception (of which 5 kinds are enumerated , or with %{manas} 6 ; cf. %{indriya} , %{buddhI7ndriya}) ; comprehension , apprehension , understanding Sa1h. ; (with %{AtnanaH} , or [EMAIL PROTECTED]) knowledge of one's self. psychology Car. ; (in Sa1m2khya phil.) Intellect (= %{adhy-avasAya} , the intellectual faculty or faculty of mental perception , the second of the 25 Tattvas ; cf. %{buddhi-tattva}) IW. 80 c. ; presence of mind , ready wit Pan5cat. Hit. ; an opinion , view , notion , idea , conjecture MBh. Ka1v. c. ; thought about or meditation on (loc. or comp.) , intention , purpose , design ib. (%{buddhyA} , with the intention of. designedly , deliberately ; %{anugraha-b-} , with a view to i.e. in order to show favour ; %{buddhiM-kR} or %{pra-kR} , to make up one's mind , resolve , decide , with loc. dat. acc. with %{prati} , or inf.) ; impression , belief. notion (often ifc. = considering as , taking for) Ka1v. Katha1s. Pur. Hit. ; right opinion , correct or reasonable view R. Ragh. ; a kind of metre L. ; N. of the 5th astrol "' mansion VarBr2S. Sch. ; Intelligence personified (as a daughter of Daksha and wife of Dharma and mother of Bodha) MBh. Pur. ; N. of a woman , HParil.Samasara (I'm asuming you didn't mean "samasara" or "samarasa", but saMsAra:saMsAram. going or wandering through , undergoing transmigration MaitrUp. ; course , passage , passing through a succession of states , circuit of mundane existence , transmigration , metempsychosis , the world , secular life , worldly illusion ([EMAIL PROTECTED] , `" from the beginning of the world "') Up. Mn. MBh. c. [1119,3] ; w.r. for %{saM-cAra} Bhartr2.Parameparamamf(%{A})n. (superl. of %{pa4ra}) most distant , remotest , extreme , last RV. c. c. ; chief , highest , primary , most prominent or conspicuous ; best , most excellent , worst ([EMAIL PROTECTED] , with all the heart ; %{-ma-kaNThena} , `" with all the throat "' , roaring , speaking aloud) ib. ; (with abl.) superior or inferior to , better or worse than MBh. R. ; m. N. of 2 authors Cat. ; n. highest point , extreme limit (%{catur-viMzati-p-} , at the utmost 24) MBh. c. ; chief part or matter or object (ifc. f. %{A} = consisting chiefly of , completely occupied with or devoted to or intent upon) Mn. MBh. Ka1v. c. ; (%{am}) ind. yes , very well ; (also %{parama-} in comp. ; see below) very much , excessively , excellently , in the highest degree MBh. Ka1v. c.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy more of it as well that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now if Wal- mart could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well. The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart attempts to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over the past 15 years. snip +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the middle class to exist? N. +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China produced by underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: TorquiseB writes snipped: Just following up because I think it's an interesting subject, I think that the key to the above point of view is in the last sentence. That is, one tends to view the world in terms of one's own experience. The author in question had problems with addiction; there- fore she sees 98% of the people around her as having had problems with addiction, a point of view that is so obviously distorted it barely deserves comment. Tom T: You might tend to disagree if you haven't recognized that any belief is an addiction. Hardly a view that most people would subscribe to, but as you say, we can agree to disagree. How do I know that to be true. Try and lose or change core beliefs. Easiest thing in the world. Like the aforementioned snake sloughing off a no-longer-useful skin. You look back, and there it is on the ground, no longer needed, no problem. You have to have a self for it to be attached to a belief. Drop the self, or change selves several times a day, and what's to be attached to? Mull it over a little and thanks for your comments. As you have said before it is sometimes good to agree to disagree.Tom One could, if one swung that way, claim that beliefs are addictions. However, given that claim, to claim that 98% of the US population is 'addicted' means, statistically, that everyone over the age of three is addicted. The theory itself might be interesting if you swing that way, but the figure still smells of the orifice it was plucked from. :-) +++ A description above the usual class- nice to see, thanks. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China produced by underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS. You mean sorted recycled plastics? I think that they have discovered one of the scientific holy grails; depolymerising plastic back to lower hydrocarbons. They may end up as the world's chief supplier of oil. I wonder if they will hang on to the bulk of their scrap plastic. Anothe rissue is the 1.5 million people in their prisons who are said to be used as slave labour, producing goods whiuch must undercut everybody. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] quiseB writes:
Tor To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: quiseB writes:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tor As in Glastonbury? :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
TorquiseB writes: snipped One could, if one swung that way, claim that beliefs are addictions. However, given that claim, to claim that 98% of the US population is 'addicted' means, statistically, that everyone over the age of three is addicted. The theory itself might be interesting if you swing that way, but the figure still smells of the orifice it was plucked from. :-) Tom T: Actually anyone over the age of two has allready had beliefs downloaded to them they do not suspect were downloaded to them. Those beliefs continue to own thier balls until the day they die. They function from unexamined beliefs and don't know or get that is what runs thier life. Yes we are all addicted unless we take every opportunity to examine beliefs and determine if they still serve us. How to know a belief is running your life. WHen it causes a person to get pissed off, get angry. have ones OCD come to life. Your beliefs are your operating system that allow you to function. Many viruses have been installed in that operating system and funtion without our knowledge. Examine your beliefs and see if that doesn't free up more RAM and remove some or many viruses that no longer serve you or any general purpose. Less beliefs more gap. Enjoy. Tom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@ wrote: blissbunn1 writes snipped: Whoever asked about how many meditators, siddha's, teachers yadda yadda had abusive childhoods is on to a very illuminating thesis. Do you think a study like that could be included in the collected research on TM? Tom T: From my 12 year experience in Alanon 12 step it would appear to me that virtualy all of us were attracted to the movement because of our abusive backgrounds. Not only were most of us that way but it would appear from my 7 year residency here that the unhealthiest of us ended up moving to FF to get to the bottom of our issues. It would never fly as research on campus but you don't have to talk to very many people to realize that we all came with a heavy load of karma. \ 'Way too much self importance here for me. I never had the least hint of an abusive life. I think the person who originally postulated that theory got it *backwards*. People are drawn to TM and movements like it because they're *used* to them, but not from this life. That is, they've paid their dues in so many monastic, reclusive spiritual communities over the incarnations that the first time one appears in one's current life- time one tends to glom onto it, thinking it will be like the communities one hazily remembers from previous lives. Sigh...obviously t'ain't always so. Then again, maybe all those lives in Asian monastic communities weren't nearly as problem-free as we like to tell ourselves, either. Anyway, I just had to go on record as saying that for once I completely disagree with Tom T. That's so rare it deserved a post. :-) I brought this topic up originally. Clearly not everyone deep in the tmo has an abusive past, but having lived in ffld off and on for 30 yrs, it's obviously one of the major common threads among the sidhas here, with family alcoholism being way up there. I don't have a link right now, but I've seen a research survey of one of big fundamentalist mega-churches (heavy into rapture, apocalypse stuff) and the members were found to be average on most all socio-economic factors, except about 75% were raised in alcoholic families and close to 50% of the females had sexual abuse. To me this explained alot about how people get heavy into these authoritarian culty imminent salvation belief systems. I'd put the alcoholic family background of ffld sidhas at over 50% and ex-mother divine friends of mine put the childhood sexual abuse in that group at about 50% also. Tom's idea of sidhas gathering in ffld to get to the bottom of these issues is interesting -- just as this migration was underway in the early 80s, the tmo was really getting strict against doing any other activities and coming up with black lists accordingly, and so many people were in fact not getting their issues resolved, but staying stuck in the false belief that they could transcend their way out. Perhaps there's some connection here -- either you start facing up to and dealing with emotional issues or you get heavier into culty group think that enable you to suppress them better and perpetuate the endless belief in imminent salvation through bigger groups, pundits coming or whatever else out there. In her comprehensive book on Kundalini, Joan Harrigan points out that early abusive or intense emotional experiences in children can produce a premature and unstable kundalini rising. This can lead to an interest in things spiritual or monastic, though the path may be difficult unless the original abuse is dealt with. So there can be some connection between attraction to and familiarity with spiritual settings and difficult childhoods. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped One could, if one swung that way, claim that beliefs are addictions. However, given that claim, to claim that 98% of the US population is 'addicted' means, statistically, that everyone over the age of three is addicted. The theory itself might be interesting if you swing that way, but the figure still smells of the orifice it was plucked from. :-) Tom T: Actually anyone over the age of two has allready had beliefs downloaded to them they do not suspect were downloaded to them. Those beliefs continue to own thier balls until the day they die. They function from unexamined beliefs and don't know or get that is what runs thier life. Yes we are all addicted unless we take every opportunity to examine beliefs and determine if they still serve us. How to know a belief is running your life. WHen it causes a person to get pissed off, get angry. have ones OCD come to life. Your beliefs are your operating system that allow you to function. Many viruses have been installed in that operating system and funtion without our knowledge. Examine your beliefs and see if that doesn't free up more RAM and remove some or many viruses that no longer serve you or any general purpose. Less beliefs more gap. Enjoy. Tom Sounds a lot to me like you're addicted to believing in the metaphor of addiction. :-) Seriously, if one swings that way, meaning that one wants to go (as Peter Gabriel says it so well) diggin' in the dirt to get rid of your beliefs, I think it's as good a way to pass an incarnation as any other. I'm just pointing out that many of us have had unproductive beliefs just fall away with no diggin' required. You seem to place a lot of responsibility for this 'addiction' stuff on what we have 'downloaded' from others. It reminds me of a conversation we had over dinner last night on the difference between a certain phrase in English and its French counterpart. In English, one would say, I was disappointed by X. In French, it would be J'ai été déçu par le X. In the French, the word déçu is a form of the verb decevoir, which is translated as 'to disappoint' in modern French, but comes from an older word that meant 'to deceive.' This struck me as an interesting distinction. In one language (English) there is no implication that the person who is disappointed is experiencing that disappointment because of the actions of others; they could just as easily have created the sense of disappointment themselves, as a result of their own unrealistic expectations. In the other language, there is a residual sub-meaning that implies that the disappointment *was* caused by something or someone outside ourselves. I just thought it was funny, that's all. There's another word in English I like a lot. It's 'disillusionment.' Neat word if you split it apart and see what's really going on: dis-illusion-ment. Having the illusions fall away is a *good* thing, no matter how it might feel at the time. None of this probably has anything to do with what we were discussing, but I thought of it nonetheless. Life 'downloads' all sorts of stuff in our direction. But we don't have to open a port to it. And if we already have, at some point in our lives, all we have to do is open another port and let it flow right out again, without a lot of diggin' in the dirt. Just my opinion... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. Being raised in the culture doesn't automatically give one expertise in Vedic science, which requires a thorough understanding of the Vedic literature. Nor does being a scientist, of course, give one such expertise. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Nor would this give her expertise in Vedic thought. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. Well, the last part here makes no sense. Having more than minimum insight into Vedic science would involve appealing to authority and using faulty logic?? How would that work, exactly? Would you say the same about having minimum insight into Western science with regard to a critique of its principles? In any case, from what I gather from the reviews and her essay you posted, her critique (really, her polemic) is primarily focused on the political aspects and on philosophy of science. For those, you may be right that she doesn't need much expertise in Vedic thought. And certainly the essay is very light indeed on specifics, dealing for the most part in vague generalities. Apparently Part 2 of her book goes into more detail, however. If the reviewers on Amazon are correct that she doesn't know her onions in this area, perhaps she should just have left it out entirely rather than attempt to critique Vedic science on its own terms. Amusingly, the review I read says: The sacred Hindu texts, which include the Vedas and the Upanishads, are often regarded as scientific texts in that they allegedly contain all the findings of modern science from physics and biology to mathematics, as well as the methods of science. Such claims are hardly credible since 'Vedic Science' needs its legions of decoders and interpreters before any connection can be made to any real science. In other words, because the texts are difficult to understand, they can be dismissed on that basis. (That's the reviewer's perspective; whether it reflects Nanda's approach isn't clear.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: snip Not to mention killing the messenger. And that killing of the messenger in this specific context is an artifact of clinging to the idea that the vedas and science go hand-in-hand. Or, it's an artifact of being genuinely interested in the degree of validity of various projects aimed at integrating or reconciling science and spirituality. As I said earlier, critiques of these projects, if *they* are to be valid, require an expert understanding of both science *and* the spiritual system of a particular project. If the proponents of such a project were to lack an expert understanding of science, their attempts at integration/reconciliation would be invalid no matter how expert they were with regard to the spiritual system they wanted to integrate/reconcile with science--in other words, it cuts both ways. Unlike many such projects, the TM project does have a leading proponent (Hagelin) who is expert in both science and MMY's version of Vedic Science. That doesn't automatically make the project valid, of course, but it does make it a little more difficult to dismiss. (What scientifically ignorant TMers--MMY included, in some respects--make of his theories is a horse of a different color; here I'm referring to the theories as expounded by Haglelin.) It's not clear to me from what I've read of Nanda's ideas how close the version of Vedic science she's addressing is to MMY's version. You're a fan of Ken Wilber, Vaj. One of the reviews I read (not on Amazon; it's from FreeIndiaMedia.com) says: One of the problems here is the tacking-on of an adjective before `science'. Science is what it is no matter where it is practiced, in the East or West, or by whom; `science' with a prefix such as `Vedic' or `Western' or the like, ought to arouse suspicion immediately[In] 'Vedic Science'...even the domain of observational experience upon which science is commonly based is expanded to include super-sensory mental experience of 'alternative levels of reality' that cannot be encountered in normal experience. I'm sure Wilber would agree that it ought to arouse suspicion, because it's so vulnerable to misuse; but he also maintains that the core principles of the scientific method can indeed be applied to the spiritual endeavor--i.e., that there is such a thing as subjective science. It would be really interesting to hear what Wilber thinks of Nanda's approach (assuming this review accurately represents her ideas). Here's a bit from the essay you posted: ...Everything we know about the workings of nature through the methods of modern science radically disconfirms the presence of any morally significant gunas, or shakti, or any other form of consciousness in nature, as taught by the Vedic cosmology which treats nature as a manifestation of divine consciousness. Far from there being 'no conflict' between science and Hinduism, a scientific understanding of nature completely and radically negates the 'eternal laws' of Hindu dharma which teach an identity between spirit and matter. Even in context, this is pretty ambiguous. What could it mean to disconfirm any form of consciousness in nature? Human beings are part of nature; she can't be saying they are not conscious. What does she mean by nature here, and what does consciousness in nature mean? That aside, it's very unclear that science could ever negate, radically or otherwise, an identity between spirit and matter. Seems to me all science can do is to show there is no objective evidence for this identity--but if there *were* such an identity, why is it assumed that it would have to manifest in objective evidence? Spirit by definition-- by its very nature--is subjective. So the absence of objective evidence cannot be said to be objective evidence of absence. snip There is a great deal of resistance on the part of members of Indian-based spiritual groups to equating the Vedic Science movement with Christian Fundament- alism, but I think that not only is it a valid parallel, it's something that seekers should be more aware of. Of course one can draw parallels, but they're only valid up to a point. Christian fundamentalism-- specifically Creation Science--explicitly declares that science is *wrong* about evolution, for instance, whereas according to the review of Nanda's book, Advocates of 'Vedic Science' say that both it and 'Western science' ultimately express `the same truth', but each in its own culturally relative way. (Actually MMY would say Vedic science and Western science are complementary *modes of knowing* that discover compelementary aspects of the truth.) snip But isn't it fascinating that when this issue comes up, the first post reacting to it on FFL is an attempt to demonize and discredit the author? Typical. Not fascinating, but facile, and just plain wrong. I was curious to know more about Nanda's
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/23/06 8:43 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes: snipped One could, if one swung that way, claim that beliefs are addictions. However, given that claim, to claim that 98% of the US population is 'addicted' means, statistically, that everyone over the age of three is addicted. The theory itself might be interesting if you swing that way, but the figure still smells of the orifice it was plucked from. :-) Tom T: Actually anyone over the age of two has allready had beliefs downloaded to them they do not suspect were downloaded to them. Those beliefs continue to own thier balls until the day they die. They function from unexamined beliefs and don't know or get that is what runs thier life. Yes we are all addicted unless we take every opportunity to examine beliefs and determine if they still serve us. How to know a belief is running your life. WHen it causes a person to get pissed off, get angry. have ones OCD come to life. Your beliefs are your operating system that allow you to function. Many viruses have been installed in that operating system and funtion without our knowledge. Examine your beliefs and see if that doesn't free up more RAM and remove some or many viruses that no longer serve you or any general purpose. Less beliefs more gap. Enjoy. Tom I was listening to Eckhart Tolle yesterday (Silence Speaks) and he was saying that any thought is a viewpoint, and how liberating it is to realize that. It's like a small segment of a wide spectrum. Other segments, even contradictory and paradoxical ones, are equally valid. So its true that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we're addicted - we're locked in or trapped by a narrow perspective, unrepresentative of Reality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/23/06 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life 'downloads' all sorts of stuff in our direction. But we don't have to open a port to it. And if we already have, at some point in our lives, all we have to do is open another port and let it flow right out again, without a lot of diggin' in the dirt. Just my opinion... Principle of the second element: turn on the light to remove the darkness. Tom and Mark are pointing out that the lives of those in FF who have been meditating for decades suggest that this approach alone is inadequate. Maybe a little digging is in order. Not mud-wallowing, but some compassionate, honest examination of things which we might prefer to keep buried. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You seem to place a lot of responsibility for this 'addiction' stuff on what we have 'downloaded' from others. It reminds me of a conversation we had over dinner last night on the difference between a certain phrase in English and its French counterpart. In English, one would say, I was disappointed by X. In French, it would be J'ai été déçu par le X. In the French, the word déçu is a form of the verb decevoir, which is translated as 'to disappoint' in modern French, but comes from an older word that meant 'to deceive.' This struck me as an interesting distinction. In one language (English) there is no implication that the person who is disappointed is experiencing that disappointment because of the actions of others; they could just as easily have created the sense of disappointment themselves, as a result of their own unrealistic expectations. In the other language, there is a residual sub-meaning that implies that the disappointment *was* caused by something or someone outside ourselves. I just thought it was funny, that's all. Hate to, er, disappoint you, but if you're basing your understanding of the implications of a term on its earlier meaning, disappoint does indeed imply outside agency. From the Online Etymology Dictionary: disappoint 1434, from M.Fr. desappointer undo the appointment, remove from office, from des- dis + appointer appoint. Modern sense of to frustrate expectations (1494) is from secondary meaning of fail to keep an appointment. Interestingly, Merriam-Webster's definitions of the term in its modern usage do not include any sense that does not involve outside agency either: transitive verb : to fail to meet the expectation or hope of : FRUSTRATE *the team disappointed its fans* intransitive verb : to cause disappointment *where the show disappoints most is in the work of the younger generation John Ashbery* To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life 'downloads' all sorts of stuff in our direction. But we don't have to open a port to it. And if we already have, at some point in our lives, all we have to do is open another port and let it flow right out again, without a lot of diggin' in the dirt. Just my opinion... Principle of the second element: turn on the light to remove the darkness. Tom and Mark are pointing out that the lives of those in FF who have been meditating for decades suggest that this approach alone is inadequate. Maybe a little digging is in order. Not mud-wallowing, but some compassionate, honest examination of things which we might prefer to keep buried. For those who enjoy that sorta stuff, I say Go For It. I was just bringing up the oft-forgotten idea of predilection. No one path works for everyone. For some people and some samskaras, diggin' in the dirt works wonders. For others, turning on the light works wonders, and without having to wash your hands as often. :-) And talk about *addiction*, have you ever met anyone who has grown addicted to diggin' the dirt? One needs go no further than the song I took the phrase from, in which Peter Gabriel describes his years of therapy: The more I look, the more I find As I close on in, I get so blind I feel it in my head, I feel it in my toes I feel it in my sex, that's the place it goes I'm digging in the dirt Stay with me I need support I'm digging in the dirt To find the places I got hurt To open up the places I got hurt Just to sum up, I am *not* saying that I don't think there is a value to periodically checkin' out one's beliefs and seeing whether they're still believable. What I think I'm resisting is what I perceive as an undercurrent of *blame*, in which there always has to be a cause for unenlightenment. Too much stress, too many beliefs, too many unchallenged assumptions, whatever. Not my cuppa tea. Diggin' in the dirt look- ing for the cause of darkness is fine if that's your predilection in life, but I've had remarkable success with just turning on the light, and I'm not going to write that experience off just because others haven't. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was listening to Eckhart Tolle yesterday (Silence Speaks) and he was saying that any thought is a viewpoint, and how liberating it is to realize that. It's like a small segment of a wide spectrum. Other segments, even contradictory and paradoxical ones, are equally valid. So its true that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we're addicted - we're locked in or trapped by a narrow perspective, unrepresentative of Reality. The trouble with statements like this is that they create an infinite regress. The realization that any thought is a viewpoint is *itself* a viewpoint. And if it's true that we become addicted if we take our thoughts too seriously, we should presumably therefore not take too seriously the thought that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we become addicted ...and so on. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/23/06 10:19 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I was listening to Eckhart Tolle yesterday (Silence Speaks) and he was saying that any thought is a viewpoint, and how liberating it is to realize that. It's like a small segment of a wide spectrum. Other segments, even contradictory and paradoxical ones, are equally valid. So its true that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we're addicted - we're locked in or trapped by a narrow perspective, unrepresentative of Reality. The trouble with statements like this is that they create an infinite regress. The realization that any thought is a viewpoint is *itself* a viewpoint. True. That too should be transcended. And if it's true that we become addicted if we take our thoughts too seriously, we should presumably therefore not take too seriously the thought that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we become addicted and so on. If one took too seriously the thought that one shouldn't take thoughts too seriously, one might become careless or irresponsible. There's a balance point. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Why Hindutva Loves Science
Why Hindutva Loves "Science"Meera Nanda(Note received from Nanda:Dear friends: I noticed that you have posted an article of mine (The Doublespeak of Hindu Science, The Week, June 24, 2001) on your website. I was wondering if it would not serve your readers better if you could post the original, unedited version of this article, instead of the badly cut version that the Week ran? I believe that the original argument is much more cogent and forceful than the published version. Let your readers get a more complete understanding of the dangers of erasing the boundaries between science and myth. It they still disagree—which I suspect they will—let them at least disagree on the full strength of my argument. If am sending the original piece as an attachment and I'd appreciate if you would include that in your website. with my best regards Meera Nanda ) We can understand why the leading Hindutva ideas-men go around calling themselves "intellectual Kshatriyas": they are at home in a varna-defined world. But the Kshatriyas were only supposed to defend dharma as a way of life. Why, then, are our Kshatriyas so bent upon defending dharma as science? Why is it not enough for them to have pulled off a coup against higher education in India by forcing such absurdities as "Vedic astrology" into the college curricula? Why must they also insist upon declaring astrology, and the entire Vedic tradition, "scientific"?Why this sudden love for "science" in the saffron camp? We will solve this mystery as we go along. We will also unearth a curious, although entirely unintended alliance between our Vedic warriors and our postmodern Brahmins in universities and social movements, both in India and abroad. We will find that postmodernist condemnations of science and modernity, coupled with uncritical celebration of "local knowledges" have created a climate in which irrationalities of all kinds can thrive.But first: some friendly advice to help you cope with what lies ahead…..Get over whatever mental blocks you may have against this oxymoron called "Vedic science," which pairs the archaic, mystical and unfalsifiable worldview of the Vedas with science. Put away whatever residual hopes you may still cherish that science could help demystify and liberalize our culture…..Instead, get used to the doublespeak of "Vedic science," for we are going to hear a lot more of it. Be prepared for a flood of books, TV-shows and even new computer programs extolling the virtues of Hindu sciences. After all, big money is behind it: tax-payer's rupees and large grants from private foundations (Hinduja Foundation, Infinity Foundation) are pouring into "research centers" dedicated to showing the scientificity of Hindu scriptures. If you thought that Vedic astrology was merely a personal idiosyncrasy of Murli Manohar Joshi and a handful of UGC bureaucrats, think again!Everything Vedic – from yagnas to the gods of all things, to reincarnation, karma and parapsychology will make a claim for the status of "science." And everything scientific – from the knowledge of quantum physics, to the laws of molecular biology and ecology – will be declared to be already there in the Vedas. Modern science will be treated as a Western corruption of the non-dualist Vedic sciences which can synthesize science with god, facts with values, etc. Mother India will be called upon to heal the wounds inflicted on the entire world by the "violence" of soul-less modern science.But – and here the plot begins to thicken – this will not stop the BJP government from acquiring the most violent and the most destructive products of modern science and technology. We are heading toward a schizophrenic national culture in which the technological products of modern science will be eagerly embraced, but the secular culture which science was supposed to help create will be strenuously denied. Instead of a genuine secular culture, which denies the existence of gods in nature and the authority of god-men in culture, the intellectual Kshatriyas are intent on declaring the dharmic worldview, with its nature-gods and miracle-working gurus, to be the essence of a "higher" science and "authentic" secularism. Symptoms of such schizophrenia are already evident:1. The nuclear bomb tests in 1988 were justified and packaged in dharmic terms. Hindu ideologues claimed that the bomb was foretold by Lord Krishna in the Bhagwat Gita when he declared himself to be “the radiance of a thousand suns, the splendor of the Mighty One. ..I am become Death." They celebrated the bomb by invoking gods and goddesses symbolizing shakti and vigyan. Even Ganesha idols turned up with atomic halos around their heads and with guns in their hands!2. In April 2001, the Indian Space Research Organization made history by successfully putting a satellite into the geo-stationary orbit, 36,000 km. above the earth. This same "space power" that takes justified pride in its ability to touch the stars, will soon start
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 10:19 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip I was listening to Eckhart Tolle yesterday (Silence Speaks) and he was saying that any thought is a viewpoint, and how liberating it is to realize that. It's like a small segment of a wide spectrum. Other segments, even contradictory and paradoxical ones, are equally valid. So its true that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we're addicted - we're locked in or trapped by a narrow perspective, unrepresentative of Reality. The trouble with statements like this is that they create an infinite regress. The realization that any thought is a viewpoint is *itself* a viewpoint. True. That too should be transcended. Should we transcend the thought that that too should be transcended? And if it's true that we become addicted if we take our thoughts too seriously, we should presumably therefore not take too seriously the thought that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we become addicted and so on. If one took too seriously the thought that one shouldn't take thoughts too seriously, one might become careless or irresponsible. There's a balance point. Should we take seriously the thought that there's a balance point? Thoughts about thought--metathoughts, if you will-- invariably lead to this kind of tangle. Maybe it's less problematic and more straightforward to, um, just take it as it comes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy more of it as well that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now if Wal- mart could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well. The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart attempts to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over the past 15 years. Negotiating with the TMO over prices? Can you imagine being a fly on the wall over those negotiations? Wal-Mart: TMO, now that we're carrying your MAPI products in all of our stores throughout the world, your products are accessible to over 2 billion people. We'd like you to see what you can do to bring down the costs of your supplies...economies of scale and all that. TMO: Sorry, Wal-Mart, we have a strict 1,500% mark-up on our MAPI products. For example, on our 8 oz. Vata Churna product, it costs us about 34 cents for the spices we put into it. Add on another 20 cents per unit for packaging, labor and overhead and you're talking a whopping 54 cents cost to us for each one. Now we sell each unit for $15.95. We're selling each unit to Wal-Mar for $10.00...tell us how we're supposed to make money if we bring our cost to you down! Of course, MAPI products are all supposedly made in the traditional way, which probably doesn't mean much, cost-wise, since they come from India, but it DOES mean that there is a supply constraint: you can't just plant more crops willy-nilly and increase production if said crops have to be grown and/or harvested in a certain way. Based on all the other TMO things that are most probably lied about, do you really think that MAPI 'traditional' production practices aren't lied about too? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/23/06 10:47 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 10:19 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: snip I was listening to Eckhart Tolle yesterday (Silence Speaks) and he was saying that any thought is a viewpoint, and how liberating it is to realize that. It's like a small segment of a wide spectrum. Other segments, even contradictory and paradoxical ones, are equally valid. So its true that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we're addicted - we're locked in or trapped by a narrow perspective, unrepresentative of Reality. The trouble with statements like this is that they create an infinite regress. The realization that any thought is a viewpoint is *itself* a viewpoint. True. That too should be transcended. Should we transcend the thought that that too should be transcended? I think the basic idea is, take everything lightly; don't take yourself too seriously. Sound like good advice? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the basic idea is, take everything lightly; don't take yourself too seriously. Sound like good advice? And above all, laugh like crazy at anyone who demands to be taken seriously. If more people did that, the world wouldn't be in the mess it's in... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
On May 23, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I was listening to Eckhart Tolle yesterday (Silence Speaks) and he was saying that any thought is a viewpoint, and how liberating it is to realize that. It's like a small segment of a wide spectrum. Other segments, even contradictory and paradoxical ones, are equally valid. So its true that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we're addicted - we're locked in or trapped by a narrow perspective, unrepresentative of Reality. That's interesting because essentially what it points out, from an experiential point of view, is that Tolle has not reached self- liberation of thought. In others words, he ain't very realized. He sure has the spiel down though. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why Hindutva Loves Science Meera Nanda Before I read any further, I wanted to make one quick observation: snip 1. The nuclear bomb tests in 1988 were justified and packaged in dharmic terms. Hindu ideologues claimed that the bomb was foretold by Lord Krishna in the Bhagwat Gita when he declared himself to be the radiance of a thousand suns, the splendor of the Mighty One. ..I am become Death. >From the Nuclear Weapon Archive: The origin of the name Trinity for [the first nuclear explosion in history, in 1945] is uncertain. It is commonly thought that Robert Oppenheimer provided the name, which would seem logical, but even this is not definitely known. A leading theory is that Oppenhimer did select it, and that he did so with reference to the divine Hindu trinity of Brahma (the Creator), Vishnu (the Preserver), and Shiva (the Destroyer). Oppenheimer had an avid interest in Sanskrit literature (which he had taught himself to read), and following the Trinity test is reported to have recited [this] passage from the Bhagavad-Gita... If the radiance of a thousand suns Were to burst at once into the sky, That would be like the splendor of the Mighty One... I am become Death, The shatterer of Worlds. http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Trinity.html Perhaps if Prof. Nanda ever revises her essay, she might want to include a note that the Gita reference wasn't original with the Hindu ideologues; they were echoing the widely publicized comment of the prominent Western scientist known as the father of the atomic bomb. (Oppenheimer himself said, however, that he'd gotten the name Trinity from the poetry of John Donne rather than from Hindu theology, a fact not mentioned in the archive article on Trinity.) Incidentally, there's a long, fascinating essay on the Web called The Gita of J. Robert Oppenheimer, by James A. Hijiya: http://www.aps-pub.com/proceedings/1442/Hijiya.pdf To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why Hindutva Loves Science Meera Nanda (Note received from Nanda: Dear friends: I noticed that you have posted an article of mine (The Doublespeak of Hindu Science, The Week, June 24, 2001) on your website. Vaj, this is a different article than the one you already posted here, right, the two-parter? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. Not to mention killing the messenger. There is a great deal of resistance on the part of members of Indian-based spiritual groups to equating the Vedic Science movement with Christian Fundament- alism, but I think that not only is it a valid parallel, it's something that seekers should be more aware of. Far too many of them just accept what they've been told about the Vedas and Indian history (much of it myth) as gospel truth, when it just might not be. But isn't it fascinating that when this issue comes up, the first post reacting to it on FFL is an attempt to demonize and discredit the author? Typical. That's Billie's M.O. I once posted a commentary that author and scientist (he's a Harvard grad) Michael Creighton had made on global warming. Putting aside what you or I may feel about the issue, the facts or the arguments of the piece weren't important to Billie. Instead, Billie came out with fists swinging and attempted to...demonize and discredit the author! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
I was already aware of this. I don't believe she is referring to Oppenheimer but probably Aurobindo.I'll try to remember to ask her if I talk to her soon.I think what Meera would say that would be the problem is what occurs when statements such as 'the atomic bomb was already known by "Vedic Science"' and this makes it into the schoolbooks of Indian children, giving them the false nationalistic idea that their ancestors already knew about (or originated the idea of) nuclear fission. The west "stole" the idea.The reason this is of concern is because it is already happening. And it has also already occurred in American schools with radical Afrocentrists teaching fiction as science. Mahesh Varma supports the political parties in India which support teaching this BS in schools.In this light it might be interesting to see what the kids at the MSAE are told. I bet there's some pretty bizarre material.On May 23, 2006, at 12:21 PM, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why Hindutva Loves "Science"Meera Nanda Before I read any further, I wanted to make one quick observation: snip 1. The nuclear bomb tests in 1988 were justified and packaged in dharmic terms. Hindu ideologues claimed that the bomb was foretold by Lord Krishna in the Bhagwat Gita when he declared himself to be "the radiance of a thousand suns, the splendor of the Mighty One. ..I am become Death." From the Nuclear Weapon Archive: "The origin of the name Trinity for [the first nuclear explosion in history, in 1945] is uncertain. It is commonly thought that Robert Oppenheimer provided the name, which would seem logical, but even this is not definitely known. A leading theory is that Oppenhimer did select it, and that he did so with reference to the divine Hindu trinity of Brahma (the Creator), Vishnu (the Preserver), and Shiva (the Destroyer). Oppenheimer had an avid interest in Sanskrit literature (which he had taught himself to read), and following the Trinity test is reported to have recited [this] passage from the Bhagavad-Gita... "If the radiance of a thousand suns Were to burst at once into the sky, That would be like the splendor of the Mighty One... I am become Death, The shatterer of Worlds." http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Trinity.html Perhaps if Prof. Nanda ever revises her essay, she might want to include a note that the Gita reference wasn't original with the "Hindu ideologues"; they were echoing the widely publicized comment of the prominent Western scientist known as the "father of the atomic bomb." (Oppenheimer himself said, however, that he'd gotten the name "Trinity" from the poetry of John Donne rather than from Hindu theology, a fact not mentioned in the archive article on Trinity.) Incidentally, there's a long, fascinating essay on the Web called "The Gita of J. Robert Oppenheimer," by James A. Hijiya: http://www.aps-pub.com/proceedings/1442/Hijiya.pdf To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
OK, Vaj, I've now read both parts of the two-parter you posted here by Nanda, as well as the additional essay you just put up. Your subject heading is misleading in several different ways. First, Vedic Creation Science is your term, not Nanda's. You created it with the intention of conveying a highly misleading guilt-by-association between MMY's Vedic Science and Christian Creation Science. Second, in neither essay does Nanda debunk even just plain Vedic science. Her treatment of it is extremely superficial and essentially polemical, not analytical. (As I noted elsewhere, she is said to go into more detail in part 2 of her book Prophets Facing Backward, but one certainly finds no debunking in the essays.) Third, although she mentions TM and MMY in passing, she is clearly not familiar with MMY's Vedic Science (she refers to it as his Unified Science, apparently conflating Unified Field and Vedic Science). She also refers to Transcendental Meditation as if it were an integral part of the Hindutva version of Vedic science, which is of course not the case at all. What she's actually debunking has very little to do with Maharishi's Vedic Science. It's of interest to observers of the Indian political scene, and to political-type trends in the philosophy of science, but it has only the most remote and fuzzy connection to anything TM-ish. If I had been the one to post her essays here, I would have noted this up front, so as not to misrepresent her work or mislead readers into thinking MMY's Vedic Science had been conclusively debunked by Nanda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I once posted a commentary that author and scientist (he's a Harvard grad) Michael Creighton had made on global warming. Putting aside what you or I may feel about the issue, the facts or the arguments of the piece weren't important to Billie. Instead, Billie came out with fists swinging and attempted to...demonize and discredit the author! Whoops, there goes Shemp, lying a blue streak again. (He means Michael Crichton, by the way.) As you know, Shemp, it wasn't you who posted the Crichton commentary on alt.m.t; it was someone calling himself astakinch. And as you also know, you have willfully and *grossly* mischaracterized my response to the article. Nowhere did I demonize Crichton; and as to discrediting him, I merely corrected your misconception that Crichton was a scientist, something *you* brought up in an attempt to claim credibility for Crichton's piece. Plus which, being a lot more interested than you were in the facts and arguments, I went looking on the Web for what *real* scientists thought of Crichton's thesis, and found a pantload of debunking from practicing climatologists. I posted some URLs, which you, of course, never bothered to look at. The thread was titled Aliens Cause Global Warming, and it took place in January 2005, if anyone is interested in verifying any of this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already aware of this. But apparently Nanda was not. I don't believe she is referring to Oppenheimer but probably Aurobindo. Where on *earth* did you get the idea I thought she was referring to Oppenheimer? The whole point of my post was that she was *not* referring to Oppenheimer but was citing Hindu ideologues as referring to the Gita as if the notion were original with them, when in fact Oppenheimer had made the same connection with nuclear weapons half a century earlier. I'll try to remember to ask her if I talk to her soon. No, there's nothing to ask her about. Just explain to her that Oppenheimer was there first with the Gita quote, and because his is such a well-known remark, her failure to mention it in this context is rather striking. I think what Meera would say that would be the problem is what occurs when statements such as 'the atomic bomb was already known by Vedic Science' and this makes it into the schoolbooks of Indian children, giving them the false nationalistic idea that their ancestors already knew about (or originated the idea of) nuclear fission. The west stole the idea. Of course that's what she's saying. My post was just a by the way observation with regard to Oppenheimer's reference to the Gita (regardless of whether he viewed the quote as evidence that the ancient Indians knew about nuclear fission, which I doubt he did). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Lordi rules!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
On May 23, 2006, at 12:53 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, Vaj, I've now read both parts of the two-parter you posted here by Nanda, as well as the additional essay you just put up. Your subject heading is misleading in several different ways. First, Vedic Creation Science is your term, not Nanda's. You created it with the intention of conveying a highly misleading guilt-by-association between MMY's Vedic Science and Christian Creation Science. Second, in neither essay does Nanda debunk even just plain Vedic science. Her treatment of it is extremely superficial and essentially polemical, not analytical. (As I noted elsewhere, she is said to go into more detail in part 2 of her book Prophets Facing Backward, but one certainly finds no debunking in the essays.) Third, although she mentions TM and MMY in passing, she is clearly not familiar with MMY's Vedic Science (she refers to it as his Unified Science, apparently conflating Unified Field and Vedic Science). She also refers to Transcendental Meditation as if it were an integral part of the Hindutva version of Vedic science, which is of course not the case at all. What she's actually debunking has very little to do with Maharishi's Vedic Science. It's of interest to observers of the Indian political scene, and to political-type trends in the philosophy of science, but it has only the most remote and fuzzy connection to anything TM-ish. If I had been the one to post her essays here, I would have noted this up front, so as not to misrepresent her work or mislead readers into thinking MMY's Vedic Science had been conclusively debunked by Nanda. It's probably either that you lack the necessary insight to see the connection or you're still stuck inside the TM Vedic paradigm (or both). Suffice to say, since this first appeared on a Sanskrit scholarly list, I've shared it with a number of TMer's and they (for the most part) got it without having to have me spell it out for them. Others have even commented on the political machinations behind it. Mahesh is a key figure in this revisionist Vedic Creationism. It's not a problem, I understand you either can't or do not want to see this this! If you still haven't got it (obviously the case) there's nothing anything else to say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/22/06 7:13:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the traditional way? Mixing the spices clockwise instead of counter-clockwise? Or perhaps its how I saw TrigunaJi's teenage apprentice mix the concoctions that I bought at his outdoor clinic in Dehli: lay down a bunch of squares cut from the Times of India newspaper, take jars of dirt (or whatever it is he put in his mixtures) and spill them out over the newspaper squares, and then fold up the pieces of newspaper into little packets (which I was then told to take with a glass of water each day). The key here is, if your taking herbs for depression, those squares of news paper must be the funnies. LOL! Great line! and so appropriate. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip I once posted a commentary that author and scientist (he's a Harvard grad) Michael Creighton had made on global warming. Putting aside what you or I may feel about the issue, the facts or the arguments of the piece weren't important to Billie. Instead, Billie came out with fists swinging and attempted to...demonize and discredit the author! Whoops, there goes Shemp, lying a blue streak again. BTW, I predict that if Barry responds, he'll remember the discussion exactly the way Shemp does. Folie a deux, anyone? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 12:53 PM, authfriend wrote: OK, Vaj, I've now read both parts of the two-parter you posted here by Nanda, as well as the additional essay you just put up. Your subject heading is misleading in several different ways. First, Vedic Creation Science is your term, not Nanda's. You created it with the intention of conveying a highly misleading guilt-by-association between MMY's Vedic Science and Christian Creation Science. Second, in neither essay does Nanda debunk even just plain Vedic science. Her treatment of it is extremely superficial and essentially polemical, not analytical. (As I noted elsewhere, she is said to go into more detail in part 2 of her book Prophets Facing Backward, but one certainly finds no debunking in the essays.) Third, although she mentions TM and MMY in passing, she is clearly not familiar with MMY's Vedic Science (she refers to it as his Unified Science, apparently conflating Unified Field and Vedic Science). She also refers to Transcendental Meditation as if it were an integral part of the Hindutva version of Vedic science, which is of course not the case at all. What she's actually debunking has very little to do with Maharishi's Vedic Science. It's of interest to observers of the Indian political scene, and to political-type trends in the philosophy of science, but it has only the most remote and fuzzy connection to anything TM-ish. If I had been the one to post her essays here, I would have noted this up front, so as not to misrepresent her work or mislead readers into thinking MMY's Vedic Science had been conclusively debunked by Nanda. It's probably either that you lack the necessary insight to see the connection or you're still stuck inside the TM Vedic paradigm (or both). More Jell-o, what you always ooze when you can't actually address the point. Suffice to say, since this first appeared on a Sanskrit scholarly list, I've shared it with a number of TMer's and they (for the most part) got it without having to have me spell it out for them. Others have even commented on the political machinations behind it. Mahesh is a key figure in this revisionist Vedic Creationism. Perhaps you could point to something Maharishi has said that could be characterized as Vedic Creationism. According to Nanda, Vedic creationism proposes to replace Darwinian evolution with devolution from the original one-ness with Brahman. Where has MMY proposed that Darwinian evolution should be replaced by this devolution? The political machinations of Hindutva are one thing; the validity of MMY's Vedic Science (i.e., Hagelin's theories as informed by MMY's teaching) on its own terms is something else entirely. My point is that Nanda's polemic, at least what you've posted, is concerned with the former, not the latter. I'm only peripherally interested in the former, whereas I'm actively interested in the latter. I would be most eager to read a debunking of MMY's Vedic Science by someone who was expert in both the Vedas and Western science, but as I've noted, such people are few and far between, and Nanda is clearly not one of them. It's not a problem, I understand you either can't or do not want to see this this! If you still haven't got it (obviously the case) there's nothing anything else to say. You're tilting at a straw man, Vaj. Why do you have such trouble addressing the issues I've raised? (Have you ever noticed that your syntax and spelling disintegrate whenever you're challenged?) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
On May 23, 2006, at 1:39 PM, authfriend wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already aware of this. But apparently Nanda was not. I cannot say if she was or she was not. I would however be surprised if she was not already aware of Oppenheimer's love of Sanskrit literature -- it is fairly well known. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy more of it as well that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now if Wal- mart could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well. The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal- Mart attempts to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over the past 15 years. snip +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the middle class to exist? N. +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China produced by underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS. Underpaid by American standards; overpaid by Chinese standards. Slave labor: such a comment is an insult to the whole history of slavery, demeans it and should not be dignified by a response. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/23/06 11:20 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I was listening to Eckhart Tolle yesterday (Silence Speaks) and he was saying that any thought is a viewpoint, and how liberating it is to realize that. It's like a small segment of a wide spectrum. Other segments, even contradictory and paradoxical ones, are equally valid. So its true that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we're addicted - we're locked in or trapped by a narrow perspective, unrepresentative of Reality. That's interesting because essentially what it points out, from an experiential point of view, is that Tolle has not reached self- liberation of thought. In others words, he ain't very realized. Seems to me you're too quick to judge someone's level of realization based on some quote, or someone's recollection of a quote. Maybe you have this capability, but I can only vaguely approximate. I prefer to go with what's inspiring and uplifting, and not make unprovable assumptions about the speaker's level of consciousness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 1:39 PM, authfriend wrote: -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: I was already aware of this. But apparently Nanda was not. I cannot say if she was or she was not. I would however be surprised if she was not already aware of Oppenheimer's love of Sanskrit literature -- it is fairly well known. Then it's odd she didn't mention that he was the first to quote that Gita verse in connection with nuclear weapons, since that is even more widely known than that he was a fan of Sanskrit literature. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
On May 23, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 5/23/06 11:20 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I was listening to Eckhart Tolle yesterday (Silence Speaks) and he was saying that any thought is a viewpoint, and how liberating it is to realize that. It's like a small segment of a wide spectrum. Other segments, even contradictory and paradoxical ones, are equally valid. So its true that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we're addicted - we're locked in or trapped by a narrow perspective, unrepresentative of Reality. That's interesting because essentially what it points out, from an experiential point of view, is that Tolle has not reached self- liberation of thought. In others words, he ain't very realized. Seems to me you're too quick to judge someone's level of realization based on some quote, or someone's recollection of a quote. Maybe you have this capability, but I can only vaguely approximate. I prefer to go with what's inspiring and uplifting, and not make unprovable assumptions about the speaker's level of consciousness. Please share a more direct quote then if you can. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Well, sato bandhum asati?
sato bandhum asati nir avindan hRdi pratiiSyaa kavayo maniiSaa. (pada-paaTha: sataH; bandhum; asati; niH; avindan; hRdi; prati 'iSya; kavayaH; maniiSaa.) Macdonell's translation: Sages (kavayaH) seeking (pratiiSya) in /their/ hearts (hRdi) with wisdom (maniiSaa) found out (nir avindan) the bond (bandhum) of the existent (sataH) in the non-existent (asati). -- Rgveda X 129 (Hymn of Creation) , 4cd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Vote in Russ Feingold's Pick an Iowa Patriot
Title: Vote in Russ Feingold's Pick an Iowa Patriot I just voted for Fairfield's own Becky Schmitz in Sen. Russ Feingold's Pick an Iowa Patriot! He's asking for the grassroots to decide which Iowa congressional candidate will get a $5,000 contribution from the Progressive Patriots Fund. Please go to http://www.progressivepatriotsfund.com/vote to cast your vote. Becky deserves it! Thanks! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
on 5/23/06 2:11 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting because essentially what it points out, from an experiential point of view, is that Tolle has not reached self- liberation of thought. In others words, he ain't very realized. Seems to me you're too quick to judge someone's level of realization based on some quote, or someone's recollection of a quote. Maybe you have this capability, but I can only vaguely approximate. I prefer to go with what's inspiring and uplifting, and not make unprovable assumptions about the speaker's level of consciousness. Please share a more direct quote then if you can. So you mean I could provide you with a list of quotes by various spiritual teachers and you'd be able to pretty much nail their levels of consciousness? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy Stein, FFL's very own Billie Batts
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: So that is my new nickname for Judy: Billie Batts. My concession to her is that I have feminized Billy to Billie. Seems an unnecessary concession to someone who seems intent on proving her dick is longer than anyone else's. :-) Women who insist upon having the same options as men would do well to consider the option of being the strong, silent type. -- Fran Lebowitz To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Hix nix stix blissniks
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[FairfieldLife] Everyone wants a MacBook
I missed the fine print the first time around when I clicked on the URL. The new Apple Computer 24/7 store was giving away a MacBook laptop every hour when it first opened. It's still an interesting study in marketing though... http://www.apple.com/retail/fifthavenue/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Donovan to do TM tour of Scorpionland universities
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. There's a guy who used to lecture at MUM/MIU who has a PhD in Indian Studies (I believe) who did his PhD work pointing out the cultural origins of the TM movement. His PhD thesis is much better documented and researched examination of a specific example of what she discusses. Can't remember his name, but his thesis was online last I checked. If you want, I'll track him down. Anyone know who I'm talking about? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy more of it as well that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now if Wal- mart could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well. The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal-Mart attempts to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over the past 15 years. snip +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the middle class to exist? N. To paraphrase Demolition Man: after the Big Box Wars, every store was Wal-Mart... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. Not to mention killing the messenger. There is a great deal of resistance on the part of members of Indian-based spiritual groups to equating the Vedic Science movement with Christian Fundament- alism, but I think that not only is it a valid parallel, it's something that seekers should be more aware of. Far too many of them just accept what they've been told about the Vedas and Indian history (much of it myth) as gospel truth, when it just might not be. But isn't it fascinating that when this issue comes up, the first post reacting to it on FFL is an attempt to demonize and discredit the author? Typical. Insomuch as humans show the same patterns of behavior in every society, the analogy with Christian Fundamentalism may be useful. However, since Hinduism is usually a far more flexable and accomidating religion or set-of-religions than Christianity traditionally has been (for instance, there's no Nicene Creed test for Hindus as far as I know), the analogy can only go so far. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 2:11 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting because essentially what it points out, from an experiential point of view, is that Tolle has not reached self- liberation of thought. In others words, he ain't very realized. Seems to me you're too quick to judge someone's level of realization based on some quote, or someone's recollection of a quote. Maybe you have this capability, but I can only vaguely approximate. I prefer to go with what's inspiring and uplifting, and not make unprovable assumptions about the speaker's level of consciousness. Please share a more direct quote then if you can. So you mean I could provide you with a list of quotes by various spiritual teachers and you'd be able to pretty much nail their levels of consciousness? The above quote indicates that Rick is firmly established in GC with glimpses of UC arising in awareness usually in the late afternoon. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. Not to mention killing the messenger. And that killing of the messenger in this specific context is an artifact of clinging to the idea that the vedas and science go hand- in-hand. We all grew up in a technological age and so it's a very compelling idea, but not necessaily the truth of the matter. It could be we just bought into the commercial and the advertisement that is part and parcel of the TM PR machine. Once one recognizes they made this error, they do understand why that occurred and also notice why others would do the same or why it's a comfortable blanket to hold onto. But basically it's just spin to play with our own attachment to science as a belief system. To some extent, yes. MMY specifically wanted to make TM acceptable in the West, so he was interested in scientific research on it from the very start (see _Hermit in My House_/? Maharishi at 433_ for an example of this in 1959). However, MMY obviously, to me, honestly believes that Western Science WILL substantiate the Vedic world-view. Of course, one can claim that he's twisted the Vedic world-view to accomidate science, but given the old saying that there are as many valid interpretations of the Veda as there are enlightened people, this may not mean anything to the Vedic believers. There is a great deal of resistance on the part of members of Indian-based spiritual groups to equating the Vedic Science movement with Christian Fundament- alism, but I think that not only is it a valid parallel, it's something that seekers should be more aware of. Far too many of them just accept what they've been told about the Vedas and Indian history (much of it myth) as gospel truth, when it just might not be. What throws people off is that Indian spiritual thought represents the *left* of American (and western) thought and lifestyle-- fundamentalism, generally, the *right*. But in India, the movements which seek to try to make the vedas scientific are fundamentalist, right-wing nationalists. They're like our religious right, our moral majority. Sure, the brahman caste definitely has been a supporter behind the scenes of the TMO, at least in the South, or so I recall from the PhD thesis I read ages ago (still can't remember the guy's name). But isn't it fascinating that when this issue comes up, the first post reacting to it on FFL is an attempt to demonize and discredit the author? Typical. Yes, I'm not surprised because at one time I would've done the same thing. It may or may not have been a knee-jerk reaction on Judy's part, but its a valid question: just how qualified is the author to make the observations. A lay-person criticizing the Roman Catholic Church can bring a lay perspective to the issue, but unless she's devoted a great deal of time to researching the internal politics and activities of the Church, her perspective is STILL mostly that of an outsider. Anthropologists acknowledge that insider and outsider perspectives are both valid, when reporting on cultural phenomena and that there is a tradeoff when one assimilates into the culture to report on it, rather than maintaining a distance as an outsider. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TorquiseB writes snipped: Just following up because I think it's an interesting subject, I think that the key to the above point of view is in the last sentence. That is, one tends to view the world in terms of one's own experience. The author in question had problems with addiction; there- fore she sees 98% of the people around her as having had problems with addiction, a point of view that is so obviously distorted it barely deserves comment. Tom T: You might tend to disagree if you haven't recognized that any belief is an addiction. How do I know that to be true. Try and lose or change core beliefs. Mull it over a little and thanks for your comments. As you have said before it is sometimes good to agree to disagree.Tom I wouldn't call any arbitrary belief an addiction, but more along the lines of a rut. It's more comfortable to let your wheels follow the ruts in the road, rather than try to make a turn when you need to. Of course, if TM works as advertised, turning may become easier, but apparently many here don't believe that TM works as advertised. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: snip Not to mention killing the messenger. And that killing of the messenger in this specific context is an artifact of clinging to the idea that the vedas and science go hand-in-hand. Or, it's an artifact of being genuinely interested in the degree of validity of various projects aimed at integrating or reconciling science and spirituality. One comment: Maharishi's Vedic Science isn't scientific in the modern sense of the word, but only in the sense that it is a systematic exploration of knowledge. Modern Science requires a certain concensus of practitioners based on objective/external observation, whereas Vedic Science is strictly personal and subjective/internal. There are overlaps in the field of practice and study (e.g. TM practice leading to lower blood pressure, etc), but they are two distinctly different kinds of science. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. Being raised in the culture doesn't automatically give one expertise in Vedic science, which requires a thorough understanding of the Vedic literature. Nor does being a scientist, of course, give one such expertise. More specifically, being a practicing scientist doesn't give one a broad understanding of Science. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life 'downloads' all sorts of stuff in our direction. But we don't have to open a port to it. And if we already have, at some point in our lives, all we have to do is open another port and let it flow right out again, without a lot of diggin' in the dirt. Just my opinion... Principle of the second element: turn on the light to remove the darkness. Tom and Mark are pointing out that the lives of those in FF who have been meditating for decades suggest that this approach alone is inadequate. Maybe a little digging is in order. Not mud-wallowing, but some compassionate, honest examination of things which we might prefer to keep buried. MMY provides that digging in the form of new and ever more grand projects that people can choose to participate in. From the physiological perspective, this provides new activities to test and stabilize one's establishment in Being, which, in MMY's eyes, is all that is needed to establish CC (that and regular TM practice of course). People who choose to ignore these projects in favor of having a life may be showing their growth in their own way, but people who avoid participating in the projects while denouncing them show a certain level of addiction, I think. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: I think the basic idea is, take everything lightly; don't take yourself too seriously. Sound like good advice? And above all, laugh like crazy at anyone who demands to be taken seriously. If more people did that, the world wouldn't be in the mess it's in... Everyone wants to be taken seriously. Even stand-up comedians want to be taken seriously --their antics are meant to be laughed at and if instead, they are mocked for being incompetent comedians, they would be as shattered as anyone else would be. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: snip Not to mention killing the messenger. And that killing of the messenger in this specific context is an artifact of clinging to the idea that the vedas and science go hand-in-hand. Or, it's an artifact of being genuinely interested in the degree of validity of various projects aimed at integrating or reconciling science and spirituality. One comment: Maharishi's Vedic Science isn't scientific in the modern sense of the word, but only in the sense that it is a systematic exploration of knowledge. Modern Science requires a certain concensus of practitioners based on objective/external observation, whereas Vedic Science is strictly personal and subjective/internal. There are overlaps in the field of practice and study (e.g. TM practice leading to lower blood pressure, etc), but they are two distinctly different kinds of science. * The word science comes the Latin scire, to know, and consciousness is obviously the basis of all knowing. By using the technology of TM to expand the ability to know, Vedic science is the basis of all science, whether it uses a piece of Western-science machinery or uses the machinery of the nervous system and Vedic technology. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 10:55 AM, Rick Archer wrote: I was listening to Eckhart Tolle yesterday (Silence Speaks) and he was saying that any thought is a viewpoint, and how liberating it is to realize that. It's like a small segment of a wide spectrum. Other segments, even contradictory and paradoxical ones, are equally valid. So its true that if we take our thoughts too seriously, we're addicted - we're locked in or trapped by a narrow perspective, unrepresentative of Reality. That's interesting because essentially what it points out, from an experiential point of view, is that Tolle has not reached self- liberation of thought. In others words, he ain't very realized. He sure has the spiel down though. Perhaps. In my opinion, MMY has the spiel down. So did Krishnamurti. People who talk about how liberating it is to have a certain understanding about something don't sound like they get it at all. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 5/23/06 2:11 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting because essentially what it points out, from an experiential point of view, is that Tolle has not reached self- liberation of thought. In others words, he ain't very realized. Seems to me you're too quick to judge someone's level of realization based on some quote, or someone's recollection of a quote. Maybe you have this capability, but I can only vaguely approximate. I prefer to go with what's inspiring and uplifting, and not make unprovable assumptions about the speaker's level of consciousness. Please share a more direct quote then if you can. So you mean I could provide you with a list of quotes by various spiritual teachers and you'd be able to pretty much nail their levels of consciousness? The above quote indicates that Rick is firmly established in GC with glimpses of UC arising in awareness usually in the late afternoon. Your astute observation correlates with latent Brahman, blended evenly with adequate soma, percolated thoroughly with TC, with a mad dash of Vishnu, often mistaken for a flavor of Krishna. Congrats!! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. Not to mention killing the messenger. There is a great deal of resistance on the part of members of Indian-based spiritual groups to equating the Vedic Science movement with Christian Fundament- alism, but I think that not only is it a valid parallel, it's something that seekers should be more aware of. Far too many of them just accept what they've been told about the Vedas and Indian history (much of it myth) as gospel truth, when it just might not be. But isn't it fascinating that when this issue comes up, the first post reacting to it on FFL is an attempt to demonize and discredit the author? Typical. That's Billie's M.O. I once posted a commentary that author and scientist (he's a Harvard grad) Michael Creighton had made on global warming. Putting aside what you or I may feel about the issue, the facts or the arguments of the piece weren't important to Billie. Instead, Billie came out with fists swinging and attempted to...demonize and discredit the author! Chricton isn't a scientist, but trained as an MD (apparently never had a practice after medical school) and science fiction writer: http://www.crichton-official.com/aboutmc/biography.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was already aware of this. I don't believe she is referring to Oppenheimer but probably Aurobindo. I'll try to remember to ask her if I talk to her soon. I think what Meera would say that would be the problem is what occurs when statements such as 'the atomic bomb was already known by Vedic Science' and this makes it into the schoolbooks of Indian children, giving them the false nationalistic idea that their ancestors already knew about (or originated the idea of) nuclear fission. The west stole the idea. The reason this is of concern is because it is already happening. And it has also already occurred in American schools with radical Afrocentrists teaching fiction as science. Mahesh Varma supports the political parties in India which support teaching this BS in schools. In this light it might be interesting to see what the kids at the MSAE are told. I bet there's some pretty bizarre material. Perhaps. The claim that the Vedas contain all knowledge can be interpreted many ways, however. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip I once posted a commentary that author and scientist (he's a Harvard grad) Michael Creighton had made on global warming. Putting aside what you or I may feel about the issue, the facts or the arguments of the piece weren't important to Billie. Instead, Billie came out with fists swinging and attempted to...demonize and discredit the author! Whoops, there goes Shemp, lying a blue streak again. BTW, I predict that if Barry responds, he'll remember the discussion exactly the way Shemp does. Folie a deux, anyone? Barry's not reading your stuff. He has to read a response to you before he responds... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WLeed3@ wrote: reduces the price making it available 4 more of us to buy more of it as well that whole milk @ Wal-mart great news for many of us. now if Wal- mart could sell Maharishi Ayer Vedic products as well. The problem there is that Wal-Mart actively negotiates their costs with suppliers DOWN every year. As I understand it, Wal- Mart attempts to get their suppliers to bring their prices on supplies to them down by about 5% every year, which they then pass on to consumers. Many economists have said that Wal-Mart's policy in this area is almost singularly responsible for the very low inflation rate in the USA over the past 15 years. snip +++ Does this look like Wall-Mart is denying the right of the middle class to exist? N. +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China produced by underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS. Underpaid by American standards; overpaid by Chinese standards. Slave labor: such a comment is an insult to the whole history of slavery, demeans it and should not be dignified by a response. Depends. Are sex workers who fear for their lives if they leave their pimps slaves? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The origin of the name Trinity for [the first nuclear explosion in history, in 1945] is uncertain. It is commonly thought that Robert Oppenheimer provided the name, which would seem logical, but even this is not definitely known. A leading theory is that Oppenhimer did select it, and that he did so with reference to the divine Hindu trinity of Brahma (the Creator), Vishnu (the Preserver), and Shiva (the Destroyer). Oppenheimer had an avid interest in Sanskrit literature (which he had taught himself to read), and following the Trinity test is reported to have recited [this] passage from the Bhagavad-Gita... If the radiance of a thousand suns Were to burst at once into the sky, That would be like the splendor of the Mighty One... I am become Death, The shatterer of Worlds. imo, Oppenheimer was a f*cking moron playing God. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 5/23/06 9:09 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Life 'downloads' all sorts of stuff in our direction. But we don't have to open a port to it. And if we already have, at some point in our lives, all we have to do is open another port and let it flow right out again, without a lot of diggin' in the dirt. Just my opinion... Principle of the second element: turn on the light to remove the darkness. Tom and Mark are pointing out that the lives of those in FF who have been meditating for decades suggest that this approach alone is inadequate. Maybe a little digging is in order. Not mud-wallowing, but some compassionate, honest examination of things which we might prefer to keep buried. MMY provides that digging in the form of new and ever more grand projects that people can choose to participate in. From the physiological perspective, this provides new activities to test and stabilize one's establishment in Being, which, in MMY's eyes, is all that is needed to establish CC (that and regular TM practice of course). People who choose to ignore these projects in favor of having a life may be showing their growth in their own way, but people who avoid participating in the projects while denouncing them show a certain level of addiction, I think. Agreed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. There's a guy who used to lecture at MUM/MIU who has a PhD in Indian Studies (I believe) who did his PhD work pointing out the cultural origins of the TM movement. His PhD thesis is much better documented and researched examination of a specific example of what she discusses. Can't remember his name, but his thesis was online last I checked. If you want, I'll track him down. Anyone know who I'm talking about? Would you mean Jay Randolph Coplin, by any chance? Part of his PhD dissertation on TM's origins is on the Web, here: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/drcoplin/ Unfortunately, the meatier-looking parts aren't up. But the parts that are, are pretty interesting. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: snip Not to mention killing the messenger. And that killing of the messenger in this specific context is an artifact of clinging to the idea that the vedas and science go hand-in-hand. Or, it's an artifact of being genuinely interested in the degree of validity of various projects aimed at integrating or reconciling science and spirituality. One comment: Maharishi's Vedic Science isn't scientific in the modern sense of the word, but only in the sense that it is a systematic exploration of knowledge. Modern Science requires a certain concensus of practitioners based on objective/external observation, whereas Vedic Science is strictly personal and subjective/internal. There are overlaps in the field of practice and study (e.g. TM practice leading to lower blood pressure, etc), but they are two distinctly different kinds of science. Indeed. Nanda seems to conflate the two in a couple of places in her essays. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 23, 2006, at 7:40 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: snip Not to mention killing the messenger. And that killing of the messenger in this specific context is an artifact of clinging to the idea that the vedas and science go hand-in-hand. Or, it's an artifact of being genuinely interested in the degree of validity of various projects aimed at integrating or reconciling science and spirituality. One comment: Maharishi's Vedic Science isn't scientific in the modern sense of the word, but only in the sense that it is a systematic exploration of knowledge. Modern Science requires a certain concensus of practitioners based on objective/external observation, whereas Vedic Science is strictly personal and subjective/internal. There are overlaps in the field of practice and study (e.g. TM practice leading to lower blood pressure, etc), but they are two distinctly different kinds of science. * The word science comes the Latin scire, to know, and consciousness is obviously the basis of all knowing. By using the technology of TM to expand the ability to know, Vedic science is the basis of all science, whether it uses a piece of Western-science machinery or uses the machinery of the nervous system and Vedic technology. An interesting point, and perhaps valid, but I was talking about the implication that Vedic Science was a science in the Western, modern sense that Physics, Chemistry, etc., are. Western Sciences are procedures and strategies used to explore certain aspects of reality that are divided according to how convenient it is to explore them one way than another using said procedures and strategies. E.G., Chemistry uses a someone different set than Physics, but the common link is the ability for scientists to share data and theories with one another and have colleagues test said data and theories via replication or some analogous procedure. While there is an overlap with Vedic Science in that people can use TM to test MMY's claims, at least partly, the ability to test the claims isn't open to just anyone --they have to have attained a certain state of consciousness to be a Vedic Scientist. That's a different kind of training than Western Science requires. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
It's one of Scientology's Super Powers...see the last paragraph. -- Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:17 p.m. EDT Scientologists Ready for 'Super Power' www.newsmax.com Scientology is about to unveil a previously secret spiritual training program called Super Power that promises to heighten participants' powers of perception. The bizarre program is being prepared for a rollout in a new building under construction in Clearwater, Fla. Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard taught that people have 57 perceptics that include not only the five senses, but also an ability to discern relative sizes, blood circulation, balance, compass direction, temperature, gravity and an awareness of importance, unimportance, the St. Petersburg Times reports. Super Power uses machines, apparatus and specially designed rooms to exercise these so-called perceptics. Former Scientology members told the Times that the machines include an antigravity simulator and a gyroscope-like device that spins a person around while blindfolded to improve perception of compass direction. A video screen that moves forward and backward while flashing images is used to improve a person's ability to identify subliminal messages, they said. Story Continues Below Hubbard promised that Super Power would improve perceptions and put the person into a new realm of ability. For years, details of Super Power training have been kept secret even from church members, and they haven't been revealed until a member paid to take the course. Church spokesman Ben Shaw would not say how much the program will cost, but upper levels of Scientology training can run tens of thousands of dollars, according to the Times. Shaw said 300 staff members are being trained to deliver Super Power, which will be ready to go when the new building is completed, probably in 2007. Scientology's 57 perceptics include endocrine states, awareness of awareness, cellular and bacterial position, motion of self, time track motion and awareness of not knowing. Senate Okays Social Security Benefits for Illegals! New Stock Market Report - Limited Time Offer! Actor Wayne Rogers' Stock Pick Up 353% To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The origin of the name Trinity for [the first nuclear explosion in history, in 1945] is uncertain. It is commonly thought that Robert Oppenheimer provided the name, which would seem logical, but even this is not definitely known. A leading theory is that Oppenhimer did select it, and that he did so with reference to the divine Hindu trinity of Brahma (the Creator), Vishnu (the Preserver), and Shiva (the Destroyer). Oppenheimer had an avid interest in Sanskrit literature (which he had taught himself to read), and following the Trinity test is reported to have recited [this] passage from the Bhagavad-Gita... If the radiance of a thousand suns Were to burst at once into the sky, That would be like the splendor of the Mighty One... I am become Death, The shatterer of Worlds. imo, Oppenheimer was a f*cking moron playing God. Aren't we all? Oppenheimer just had access to more dangerous toys... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The origin of the name Trinity for [the first nuclear explosion in history, in 1945] is uncertain. It is commonly thought that Robert Oppenheimer provided the name, which would seem logical, but even this is not definitely known. A leading theory is that Oppenhimer did select it, and that he did so with reference to the divine Hindu trinity of Brahma (the Creator), Vishnu (the Preserver), and Shiva (the Destroyer). Oppenheimer had an avid interest in Sanskrit literature (which he had taught himself to read), and following the Trinity test is reported to have recited [this] passage from the Bhagavad-Gita... If the radiance of a thousand suns Were to burst at once into the sky, That would be like the splendor of the Mighty One... I am become Death, The shatterer of Worlds. imo, Oppenheimer was a f*cking moron playing God. Aren't we all? Oppenheimer just had access to more dangerous toys... Ha-Ha! The reverse DID occur to me after I wrote this, that as well, God was playing a f*cking moron named Oppenheimer. Kinda took the sting out of it... To your point also, Oppenheimer drew these evil weapons to him, and that is how he had access to more dangerous toys. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On May 22, 2006, at 2:47 PM, authfriend wrote: The point is that she doesn't seem to have the requisite credentials to trash Vedic science. She's a scientist and someone raised in that culture--I'd certainly say she does. esp. given her masterful overview of the development of this trend. Really the only thing necessary is the minimum insight necessary to expose the fraud...otherwise you're merely appealing to authority and using faulty logic. There's a guy who used to lecture at MUM/MIU who has a PhD in Indian Studies (I believe) who did his PhD work pointing out the cultural origins of the TM movement. His PhD thesis is much better documented and researched examination of a specific example of what she discusses. Can't remember his name, but his thesis was online last I checked. If you want, I'll track him down. Anyone know who I'm talking about? Would you mean Jay Randolph Coplin, by any chance? Part of his PhD dissertation on TM's origins is on the Web, here: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/drcoplin/ Unfortunately, the meatier-looking parts aren't up. But the parts that are, are pretty interesting. He has a certain non-blissninny style to him: http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/97/04/962026P.pdf To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The origin of the name Trinity for [the first nuclear explosion in history, in 1945] is uncertain. It is commonly thought that Robert Oppenheimer provided the name, which would seem logical, but even this is not definitely known. A leading theory is that Oppenhimer did select it, and that he did so with reference to the divine Hindu trinity of Brahma (the Creator), Vishnu (the Preserver), and Shiva (the Destroyer). Oppenheimer had an avid interest in Sanskrit literature (which he had taught himself to read), and following the Trinity test is reported to have recited [this] passage from the Bhagavad-Gita... If the radiance of a thousand suns Were to burst at once into the sky, That would be like the splendor of the Mighty One... I am become Death, The shatterer of Worlds. imo, Oppenheimer was a f*cking moron playing God. Oh, now, that's an intelligent comment, Jim. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fundamentalist or reconstructionist med
On May 23, 2006, at 3:40 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 5/23/06 2:11 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's interesting because essentially what it points out, from an experiential point of view, is that Tolle has not reached self- liberation of thought. In others words, he ain't very realized. Seems to me you're too quick to judge someone's level of realization based on some quote, or someone's recollection of a quote. Maybe you have this capability, but I can only vaguely approximate. I prefer to go with what's inspiring and uplifting, and not make unprovable assumptions about the speaker's level of consciousness. Please share a more direct quote then if you can. So you mean I could provide you with a list of quotes by various spiritual teachers and you'd be able to pretty much nail their levels of consciousness? No, of course not. It had to do with something specific about your quote. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's one of Scientology's Super Powers...see the last paragraph. -- Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:17 p.m. EDT Scientologists Ready for 'Super Power' www.newsmax.com [...] Scientology's 57 perceptics include endocrine states, awareness of awareness, cellular and bacterial position, motion of self, time track motion and awareness of not knowing. One wonders if there is ANY equivalence here with TM. I used to think that every spiritual tradition was talking about the same thing when they used terms like samadhi and satori and so on, but while it may have been the case in the distant past, I don't think its true any more. The physiology that results from various spiritual practices is just too radically different even if the terms used are the same. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: snip I once posted a commentary that author and scientist (he's a Harvard grad) Michael Creighton had made on global warming. Putting aside what you or I may feel about the issue, the facts or the arguments of the piece weren't important to Billie. Instead, Billie came out with fists swinging and attempted to...demonize and discredit the author! Whoops, there goes Shemp, lying a blue streak again. BTW, I predict that if Barry responds, he'll remember the discussion exactly the way Shemp does. Folie a deux, anyone? Barry's not reading your stuff. He has to read a response to you before he responds... Lawson. Why would Barry have to read a post of mine to know what's in a post from Shemp? My point is that he'll back Shemp up, even though he knows Shemp's lying, because Shemp is attacking me. Politics is always interesting to watch... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip There's a guy who used to lecture at MUM/MIU who has a PhD in Indian Studies (I believe) who did his PhD work pointing out the cultural origins of the TM movement. His PhD thesis is much better documented and researched examination of a specific example of what she discusses. Can't remember his name, but his thesis was online last I checked. If you want, I'll track him down. Anyone know who I'm talking about? Would you mean Jay Randolph Coplin, by any chance? Part of his PhD dissertation on TM's origins is on the Web, here: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/drcoplin/ Unfortunately, the meatier-looking parts aren't up. But the parts that are, are pretty interesting. He has a certain non-blissninny style to him: http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/97/04/962026P.pdf OMG, that's hilarious (at least the first few pages; I didn't plow through the rest). Have to think the judge who wrote the decision was amused as well. Is that the guy you were thinking of? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why Hindutva Loves Science
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The origin of the name Trinity for [the first nuclear explosion in history, in 1945] is uncertain. It is commonly thought that Robert Oppenheimer provided the name, which would seem logical, but even this is not definitely known. A leading theory is that Oppenhimer did select it, and that he did so with reference to the divine Hindu trinity of Brahma (the Creator), Vishnu (the Preserver), and Shiva (the Destroyer). Oppenheimer had an avid interest in Sanskrit literature (which he had taught himself to read), and following the Trinity test is reported to have recited [this] passage from the Bhagavad-Gita... If the radiance of a thousand suns Were to burst at once into the sky, That would be like the splendor of the Mighty One... I am become Death, The shatterer of Worlds. imo, Oppenheimer was a f*cking moron playing God. Aren't we all? Oppenheimer just had access to more dangerous toys... Ha-Ha! The reverse DID occur to me after I wrote this, that as well, God was playing a f*cking moron named Oppenheimer. Kinda took the sting out of it... To your point also, Oppenheimer drew these evil weapons to him, and that is how he had access to more dangerous toys. You might want to have a look at the essay I recommended earlier, The Gita of J. Robert Oppenheimer, for some insight into his thinking: http://www.aps-pub.com/proceedings/1442/Hijiya.pdf To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: It's one of Scientology's Super Powers...see the last paragraph. -- Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:17 p.m. EDT Scientologists Ready for 'Super Power' www.newsmax.com [...] Scientology's 57 perceptics include endocrine states, awareness of awareness, cellular and bacterial position, motion of self, time track motion and awareness of not knowing. One wonders if there is ANY equivalence here with TM. I used to think that every spiritual tradition was talking about the same thing when they used terms like samadhi and satori and so on, but while it may have been the case in the distant past, I don't think its true any more. The physiology that results from various spiritual practices is just too radically different even if the terms used are the same. Awareness of awareness can only mean one thing, no? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/22/06 7:13:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the traditional way? Mixing the spices clockwise instead of counter-clockwise? Or perhaps its how I saw TrigunaJi's teenage apprentice mix the concoctions that I bought at his outdoor clinic in Dehli: lay down a bunch of squares cut from the Times of India newspaper, take jars of dirt (or whatever it is he put in his mixtures) and spill them out over the newspaper squares, and then fold up the pieces of newspaper into little packets (which I was then told to take with a glass of water each day). The key here is, if your taking herbs for depression, those squares of news paper must be the funnies. Truth is stranger than fiction: a friend of mine was prescribed reading the funny papers by TriGunaJi. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_Marts good news
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson nelsonriddle2001@ wrote: +++ Also, importing mass quantities of landfill from China produced by underpaid or slave labor to compete with local companies is BS. You mean sorted recycled plastics? I think that they have discovered one of the scientific holy grails; depolymerising plastic back to lower hydrocarbons. They may end up as the world's chief supplier of oil. I wonder if they will hang on to the bulk of their scrap plastic. Anothe rissue is the 1.5 million people in their prisons who are said to be used as slave labour, producing goods whiuch must undercut everybody. Uns. +++ This could lead to various fnancial disasters around the world and, as one writer pointed out, the conflict with China will be in the financial arena and, we will probably lose. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Creation Science debunked
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: snip There's a guy who used to lecture at MUM/MIU who has a PhD in Indian Studies (I believe) who did his PhD work pointing out the cultural origins of the TM movement. His PhD thesis is much better documented and researched examination of a specific example of what she discusses. Can't remember his name, but his thesis was online last I checked. If you want, I'll track him down. Anyone know who I'm talking about? Would you mean Jay Randolph Coplin, by any chance? Part of his PhD dissertation on TM's origins is on the Web, here: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/drcoplin/ Unfortunately, the meatier-looking parts aren't up. But the parts that are, are pretty interesting. He has a certain non-blissninny style to him: http://www.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/97/04/962026P.pdf OMG, that's hilarious (at least the first few pages; I didn't plow through the rest). Have to think the judge who wrote the decision was amused as well. Is that the guy you were thinking of? Yep. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ooooh, I like this one: awareness of awareness!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: It's one of Scientology's Super Powers...see the last paragraph. -- Tuesday, May 23, 2006 2:17 p.m. EDT Scientologists Ready for 'Super Power' www.newsmax.com [...] Scientology's 57 perceptics include endocrine states, awareness of awareness, cellular and bacterial position, motion of self, time track motion and awareness of not knowing. One wonders if there is ANY equivalence here with TM. I used to think that every spiritual tradition was talking about the same thing when they used terms like samadhi and satori and so on, but while it may have been the case in the distant past, I don't think its true any more. The physiology that results from various spiritual practices is just too radically different even if the terms used are the same. Awareness of awareness can only mean one thing, no? No. It could mean any number of things, assuming that the claim awareness of awareness has specific physiological correlates. Two different people can describe the same sunset using different words, or two entirely different (to most of us) phenomena using the same words. I saw a flying saucer might refer to a genuine porcelin saucer in Frisbee flight, or to an alien spacecraft or to some other UFO phenomenon like swamp gas. I am aware of awareness might refer to some TC/CC state, or to a derealization state brought about by child sexual abuse or ongoing extreme stress which have distinctly different EEG patterns. We don't know the physiological correlates of the Scientology state and they won't let anyone measure them. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Jesus Predicts Next Florida Gov.
Pastor: Lord Revealed Next Fla. Governor By BRENDAN FARRINGTON, AP Political WriterMon May 22, 5:25 PM ET A reverend who introduced Republican gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist during a breakfast with other pastors Monday said the Lord came to him in a dream two years ago and told him Crist would be the state's next governor. The Rev. O'Neal Dozier said that before the dream he did not know Crist, nor had Crist made known his plans to run for governor. The Lord Jesus spoke to me and he said 'There's something I want you to know,' said Dozier, pastor of the Worldwide Christian Center in Pompano Beach. 'Charlie Crist will be the next governor of the state of Florida.' Since then, Dozier has spent time with Crist and talked with him at length about policy. He told the group that Crist would be uncompromising in his Christian faith. I introduce to you, as the Lord Jesus has said, the next governor of the state of Florida, Charlie Crist, Dozier said. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Natural law at work?competion is better 4 us all,Wal_...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 5/22/06 7:13:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, shempmcgurk@ writes: What's the traditional way? Mixing the spices clockwise instead of counter-clockwise? Or perhaps its how I saw TrigunaJi's teenage apprentice mix the concoctions that I bought at his outdoor clinic in Dehli: lay down a bunch of squares cut from the Times of India newspaper, take jars of dirt (or whatever it is he put in his mixtures) and spill them out over the newspaper squares, and then fold up the pieces of newspaper into little packets (which I was then told to take with a glass of water each day). The key here is, if your taking herbs for depression, those squares of news paper must be the funnies. Truth is stranger than fiction: a friend of mine was prescribed reading the funny papers by TriGunaJi. Is he the guy that Chopra mentions in _Return of the Rishi_? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
