[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty is imaginary -- the individual is cosmic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Maharishis plans are not for 60 years this way or that way but for at least 1000 years ahead. Those who are sentimentally, or for other reasons, stuck in older instructions are, well, stuck. The Movement belongs to those that move. It appears to me that Maharishi has established a government foundation, based on the vedic divisions of labor, for generations to come. He has established a government based on the following order of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and sudras. The brahmins are the teachers. The kshatriyas are the administrators. The vaisyas are the business people. The sudras are the workers. Maharishi has already established the kshatriyas by appointing the various Rajahs in various regions of the world. In short, he has revived the vedic system of governance. It would interesting to speculate as to how long this system of government will last. what system of government? what is being governed? people who pay a million dollars get a title and a crown and the right to work part time to raise more money for the mov't. they're not governing anything outside of the movement. rajas have a little power but most power in the tmo resides with MMY relatives and the usual insiders. giving titles for money began with the 108s in the early 70s and has continue in various incarnations since then. the rajas will continue until the next big thing and then the tmo will gradually wither away after MMY dies. Perhaps, this is the reason why MMY is taking his time to set up the Global Country so that the government will survive after he dies. According to vedic literature, the vedic system of government is the best one among all the systems of government. Specifically, the vedic system should be able to select the best leaders who are supposed to be the most enlightened, as opposed to the system of government which elects those who are less developed in their level of consciousness.
[FairfieldLife] Re: the Grim Helsinki Night
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: http://movies2.nytimes.com/2007/06/13/movies/13dusk.html I'm not that much into movies. For instance, been *trying* to watch Citizen Kane through a couple of times, without success. :) Oddly enough, some of Aki's films I've seen several times. He's my absolute favourite amongst film makers. But I'm afraid many of you guys couldn't stand watching any of his movies for more than a couple of minutes. :0 *** Sounds like the Finnish David Lynch... Dunno. I've only seen Blue Velvet and *some* Twin Peaks. Here's a typical scene from a Kaurismaki film (1:30) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkMiTzYV7-U *** I was not referring to any specific content or style of the films of Lynch v. Kaurismaki, but to the fact that they seem to either have adoring fans or people can't stand their films. Oh, of course. BTW, I have no friggin' idea why I like Aki's films. From an objective point of view, most of them are utterly boring. The dialogue is very scarce and intentionally amateurish. I've read Aki gets very mad if he ever catches his actors/actresses rehersing a scene. And stuff like that. Re the Kaurismaki film, this is the typically inaccurate depiction of poker in films -- in an actual poker game, you can't take money out of your pocket in the middle of a hand -- Hollywood films almost never get poker right either, except for a few, like Rounders.
[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, at 6:01 PM, qntmpkt wrote: ---G's symptoms of being on the path: Blue Light Seeing of Auras Heat up the Spine (can be extreme) Cold feeling flooding a chakra area Feeling the Nervous System is short-circuiting (can be extreme) Pulsing Energy at the Base of the Spine (can be painful) Red Flame Pattern over Heart Chakra Area Sounds internally heard: 1. Birds 2. like a train sound 3. Bells 3. A hissing or whistling sound 4. Someone quickly saying something in your ear (like Ha) Extreme Sensitivity to Sound, Vibration Etc... Siddhis such as complete knowledge on energy work Feeling what is happening in someone else's body Picking up others emotions Normal photographs that pick-up light phenomenon and mists etc. Body awareness changes - feeling larger - feeling smaller Feeling as if you are here and not here An absolute absence of thought Bliss Extreme Fear (note :this one is temporary) Dreams of Snakes and Fires Dreams of - religious and spiritual symbology Samadhi states of Feeling Utterly connected with ALL - yet also witnessing and not involved... Finding the consciousness expanding to where you are not in the body.. (example seeing over the trees while you are at ground level) Mudras (hand gestures ) spontaneously happen Asanas (body postures) spontaneously happen Body may move with certain music - uncontrolled pulsing or swaying Feeling as if you are in a strong earthquake Ability to manifest what is needed - once again a siddhi but do not attach to these phenomena, let them go Seeing of internal lights (flashing lights in vision rotating light) Seeing the world in enhanced coloration Yawning - Laughing - Crying That's just cultural baggage quant, we should just ignore it. ;-) Nice list actually! Nice list, indeed. But those things can be experienced without the need for self-proclaimed satgurus appealing to the authority of lineages and whatnot. Hell, some of those things could be experienced by eating a couple large slices of chocolate cake before bedtime. Not to mention just being human and living in our times. For example, the first one, seeing Blue Light. By this criterion, everyone who has ever taken Viagra is on the path. :-) It seems to me that this list is a hodge-podge of hazy spiritual phenomena designed to make people who read it feel special, because they have almost by definition experienced several of them. Having been told that they are special and on the path for having had one or more of these experiences, they are supposed to be attracted to her and eventually want to follow the person who has recognized their specialness (event- ually, of course, donating to her livelihood while doing so) so that they can be told on a regular basis how special they are. I'm trying not to badrap gurus here, but this act of cruising the Internet spiritual newsgroups looking for long-distance followers to pay for her life and basic- ally worship her doesn't really do it for me. There are a *lot* of people out there who are not satisfied with the progress they've made along their current spiritual path. As far as I can tell, hers is a fairly overt attempt to pander to that unhappiness, to get the students to blame the teacher they're currently study- ing with for that perceived lack of progress, and to switch over to a real teacher, namely her. In my book, if a teacher actually has some phwam! and is seeking students, all they have to do is give a few talks or write a book. To actively cruise other spiritual trad- itions' discussion groups hoping to lure away disgruntled seekers from those traditions is, IMO, a lazy and rather tacky way to go about the business of attracting students. On the other hand, if Yawning is, as she says, a sign of being on the path, then I may rest easy, because after reading each of her comments reposted here, I have firmly established myself as being on the path. That said, Ron/Tanmay and others clearly have gained some perceived benefit from studying with her. I think that's neat for them and I wish them well on their path. I'm just making the point that the sales strategy for this particular path has pretty much insured that it will never be mine.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty is imaginary -- the individual is cosmic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Maharishis plans are not for 60 years this way or that way but for at least 1000 years ahead. Those who are sentimentally, or for other reasons, stuck in older instructions are, well, stuck. The Movement belongs to those that move. It appears to me that Maharishi has established a government foundation, based on the vedic divisions of labor, for generations to come. He has established a government based on the following order of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and sudras. The brahmins are the teachers. The kshatriyas are the administrators. The vaisyas are the business people. The sudras are the workers. Maharishi has already established the kshatriyas by appointing the various Rajahs in various regions of the world. In short, he has revived the vedic system of governance. It would interesting to speculate as to how long this system of government will last. what system of government? what is being governed? people who pay a million dollars get a title and a crown and the right to work part time to raise more money for the mov't. they're not governing anything outside of the movement. rajas have a little power but most power in the tmo resides with MMY relatives and the usual insiders. giving titles for money began with the 108s in the early 70s and has continue in various incarnations since then. the rajas will continue until the next big thing and then the tmo will gradually wither away after MMY dies. Perhaps, this is the reason why MMY is taking his time to set up the Global Country so that the government will survive after he dies. According to vedic literature, the vedic system of government is the best one among all the systems of government. Specifically, the vedic system should be able to select the best leaders who are supposed to be the most enlightened, as opposed to the system of government which elects those who are less developed in their level of consciousness. In other words, it's an appeal to elitism. I'm more fit to lead because I'm more __. (fill in the blank with the claimed criterion here). Excuse me, but isn't this the same claim of authority on which governmental systems based on royalty or heredity is based? And on which, essentially, Bush and the pseudo- Christian neocons base their authority? And on which the Islamic fundamentalists wish to establish *their* heaven on Earth? The caste system, no matter how you cut it, is a system of discrimination based upon elitism and heredity. If you are born into a certain caste, that and that alone determines what you can aspire to in life, and the level of authority you can possibly attain. Vedas, schmedas...it's the same old appeal to elitism. We are fit to lead because we are more __. See? It says so in our scriptures. Gag me with a spoon. At least Maharishi's Global Country is just a fiction, a fantasy indulged in by those to whom elitism appeals as long as they can buy their way into the elite. I shudder to think what would happen to the world if it ever became a *real* system of government. On the whole, given the excesses and the mindless, authoritarian acts we've seen in the TMO, Bush and his neocons might be a better option.
[FairfieldLife] The Young At Heart Chorus
Call me an old softy -- or just old -- but I really loved this article, and the spirit with which these particular musicians prove that We will, we will rock you. The first article I read on them is below, preceded by a few other links I've found about them. Enjoy, and consider their example when pondering your own old age. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6k-99qcCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBeFL3qI-n8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McCpBsH9cOQmode=relatedsearch= http://www.youngatheartchorus.com/ The Young At Heart Chorus By JAKE COYLE, AP Entertainment Writer Fred Knittle wears his belt up high. His nose is tethered to an oxygen tank, and on stage he's confined to a folding chair. From this unlikely perch, he's turning rock 'n' roll on its head. Singing Coldplay's Fix You, Knittle transforms the song into a powerful ballad about a grandfather's healing wisdom. It means something different coming from an 80-year-old retiree suffering from congestive heart failure. Knittle is a singer for the Young at Heart Chorus, whose members range from 73 to 92 years old. Singing songs they shouldn't even know, at an age when they're expected to be sitting quietly somewhere, they subvert all accepted notions of old and young. Songs by bands like the Radiohead, OutKast and Nirvana take on a new dimension when performed by these 23 foot-stomping senior citizens. Fix You or the Clash's Should I Stay or Should I Go become about life and death. Though little known in America, the Northampton-based Young at Heart has performed from Australia to London, serenaded the king and queen of Norway, been discussed on The Daily Show, and been documented in an acclaimed film for British television. They're now recording an album tentatively titled Rockin' At Heaven's Door. It may sound like a gimmick, but Young at Heart is no karaoke act. They're a cover band for the ages. ___ All we've ever had is now. Jack Schnepp, 77, singing the Flaming Lips' All We Have Is Now. ___ Inside a Young at Heart rehearsal in Northampton, Bob Cilman, 53, is pretending to throw his shoe at Jack Schnepp for missing his cue on Bruce Springsteen's Dancing in the Dark. After a laugh, the shoe returns to Cilman's foot, but more lighthearted threats will surely follow. Whipping his chorus into shape before their spring concert at Dartmouth College is hard work, and Cilman is a taskmaster who refuses to baby his elderly singers. I hated Bob when I first came into the chorus, says ex-Marine Steve Martin, 79, whose youthful vigor is only hinted at by the convertible he drives. He's insane. It took me a while to trust him. Young at Heart is the brainchild of Cilman, whose generous heart beats with a provocateur spirit. He directs the chorus through unique arrangements of music the singers spent their lives telling their kids and grandkids to turn down! He's been having his baby-boomer revenge for 25 years. It's making these people sing stuff that they really didn't want to hear their kids listen to, says Cilman, grinning. They really were upset about it. Founded in 1982, the chorus grew out of a lunchtime sing-a-long at a meal site for the elderly run by Cilman. He was struck by a deadpan version of Manfred Mann's Do Wah Diddy sung by a woman in her late 80s. I just realized, `Wow, there's something here. We can explore this,' remembers Cilman, who is director of the Northampton Arts Council. (The chorus is funded by the town of Northampton, the Massachusetts Cultural Council and the National Endowment for the Arts.) In the past decade, the chorus has done 12 tours in Europe, Australia and Canada. They took up residence at the Lyric Hammersmith in London for a ten days in 2005, and made Norwegian royalty cheer their version of a-ha's Take On Me in 2001. I don't know how many more 15 minutes we'll have in our lifetime, jokes Martin. They perform with an expert band that includes William Arnold Jr., who played drums for Motown great Junior Walker Being edgy not cutesy is a constant aim of the chorus, which also performs theatrical productions. Cilman has paired them with a gay men's chorus and a troupe of break dancers. The chorus' touching name, he says, was the last democratic decision the group made. Some in the group were apprehensive about a performance at the Hampshire County Jail. The prisoners first eyed the chorus derisively, laughing at their expense. By the time the last lines of Bob Dylan's Forever Young were sung, the applause was overflowing; the tattooed, hardened criminals were a blubbery mess. ___ My future is static / It's already had it. Steve Martin, 79, singing Sonic Youth's Schizophrenia. ___ The chorus has had a great deal of turnover, with few members left from the early '80s. Cilman estimates he's attended more than 70 funerals through the years. It's not as difficult as you'd think because you get to be with these people at a pretty great moment at the end of their life, he says. You know that
[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I picked my Diksha name out of a bowl and it came out to be Tanmay Does Swami G require or prefer that her students/followers/devotees take and use a Diksha name? Or, would she be cool with folks who just want to stick with their regular names? Also, does she require or prefer that her students/followers/devotees eat a vegetarian diet?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Young At Heart Chorus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Call me an old softy -- or just old -- but I really loved this article, and the spirit with which these particular musicians prove that We will, we will rock you. The first article I read on them is below, preceded by a few other links I've found about them. Enjoy, and consider their example when pondering your own old age. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6k-99qcCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBeFL3qI-n8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McCpBsH9cOQmode=relatedsearch= http://www.youngatheartchorus.com/ I'm going to be rude and follow up on my own post here, but these guys and gals just inspire the hell out of me. What a concept, eh? And what joy on their faces to be shocking audiences, and making them laugh, and making them cry, and above all *getting away with it*, in a society that had all but written them off. My hat is off to them, revealing my own bald spot and graying hair. Many of us here are not that far away from the age ballpark represented by Young At Heart. And, I have to say, many of us here are probably going to be kickin' Senior Citizens. Can't you just imagine Curtis toolin' down the corridors of his rest home in a lowrider wheelchair, complete with dingleberries? Can't you imagine the pretend outrage of the female nurses as he pinches their butts in passing? And can't you just imagine Sal pinching the butts of the male nurses who are distracted by the commotion? Can't you imagine all of us gathered around a campfire in the back yard of the rest home at night, making smores and listening to tales of power told by Edg Duveyoung and Rory and Tom T and tr3nity and new.morning? Lou could tell our futures, and Off and Bharitu could point out the conspiracies that are really creating those futures. Jim and do.rflex would be sitting off to one side, talk- ing with Guru Dev. Robert Gimbel would perform poetry, accompanied by Curtis and card and other musicians in the group. Vaj and I would still be lying, and Judy would be trying to point that out, but everyone else would pelt us with smores and tell us to lighten up, and we would, and would even share a toast to it. And sitting there, beaming like a Cheshire cat, would be Rick, surveying his work. And we'd have a lot of FUN, and sing and dance and party like it was 1999, and we'd stay up WAY past angel train time, until the neighbors called the cops on us for making all that infernal noise while they were trying to sleep. And then, before the cops get there, we'd serenade our sleepy, younger neighbors with one last song, ending the evening like Young At Heart does, with a rousing chorus of Forever Young: May God bless and keep you always, May your wishes all come true, May you always do for others And let others do for you. May you build a ladder to the stars And climb on every rung, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. May you grow up to be righteous, May you grow up to be true, May you always know the truth And see the lights surrounding you. May you always be courageous, Stand upright and be strong, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. May your hands always be busy, May your feet always be swift, May you have a strong foundation When the winds of changes shift. May your heart always be joyful, May your song always be sung, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
On Jun 16, 2007, at 12:22 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Henning had real shaky health, and was a hypochondriac to boot -- if you mentioned the word pneumothorax (spontaneous collapse of the lungs, which Henning was susceptible to), he would turn pale and nearly faint. Glad MMY saved his soul, How do you know he did? What does it mean to have one’s soul saved? Would Doug’s soul have been lost if he hadn’t met MMY? Maybe the reason he didn't want him to go was because Henning would dump him once he met this other master?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bob_brigante Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning I always thought that Doug was the reincarnation of Houdini (stage name of Erich Weisz/Weiss), who said that he would signal if he were to come back -- you can make the name Houdini (well, almost) with the letters from Henning's name Dou Hni (although this is not the signal that Houdini said he would send -- see HYPERLINK http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Houdinihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Har ry_Houdini Death). I recall Doug telling a story about going to the home of Houdini's niece or granddaughter and convincing her to give him Houdini's private notebooks, which she had refused to give anyone else. Henning had real shaky health, and was a hypochondriac to boot -- if you mentioned the word pneumothorax (spontaneous collapse of the lungs, which Henning was susceptible to), he would turn pale and nearly faint. Glad MMY saved his soul, How do you know he did? What does it mean to have one's soul saved? Would Doug's soul have been lost if he hadn't met MMY? don't know about his soul, but mmy ruined Doug's career - it was a great loss that the world didn't see doug do his incredible performances for so many years that he wasted on the movt and vedaland. doug's health certainly wasn't helped either. and his wife struggles with mental issues since his death. I don't see how tmers think doug's story is some great victory for MMY.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Something is off kilter to the story. Doug married Debbie in 1981 but he did the Magic Show on Broadway for four and a half years starting in 1974. i don't know about the dates, but debbie was doug's assistant on stage in his show prior to becoming his wife, so the story could still hold with debbie as assistant on stage but not yet wife off stage.
[FairfieldLife] Conny Larsson's new book on MMY
According to the TM-Free website, David Fiske reports that Conny Larsson will publish his tell-all MMY book with a major Swedish publisher. A letter this morning from Conny to me says his book on MMY has secured a big publisher in Sweden and will tell all. David David Fiske | Homepage | 06.16.07 - 7:24 am |
[FairfieldLife] Video on the Art of Adi Da Samraj
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-7oa1itUSU
[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
Turq, It seems to me that this list is a hodge-podge of hazy spiritual phenomena designed to make people who read it feel special, because they have almost by definition experienced several of them. Having been told that they are special and on the path for having had one or more of these experiences, they are supposed to be attracted to her and eventually want to follow the person who has recognized their specialness (event- ually, of course, donating to her livelihood while doing so) so that they can be told on a regular basis how special they are. Totally nailed that one! I've reached my limit with the Sycophants-R-Us show. Thanks for telling it like it is brother. (From the specialness list) Body may move with certain music - uncontrolled pulsing or swaying. I am so going to up my show fees! Plus I can upgrade from dirty old man to tantric guru. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Jun 15, 2007, at 6:01 PM, qntmpkt wrote: ---G's symptoms of being on the path: Blue Light Seeing of Auras Heat up the Spine (can be extreme) Cold feeling flooding a chakra area Feeling the Nervous System is short-circuiting (can be extreme) Pulsing Energy at the Base of the Spine (can be painful) Red Flame Pattern over Heart Chakra Area Sounds internally heard: 1. Birds 2. like a train sound 3. Bells 3. A hissing or whistling sound 4. Someone quickly saying something in your ear (like Ha) Extreme Sensitivity to Sound, Vibration Etc... Siddhis such as complete knowledge on energy work Feeling what is happening in someone else's body Picking up others emotions Normal photographs that pick-up light phenomenon and mists etc. Body awareness changes - feeling larger - feeling smaller Feeling as if you are here and not here An absolute absence of thought Bliss Extreme Fear (note :this one is temporary) Dreams of Snakes and Fires Dreams of - religious and spiritual symbology Samadhi states of Feeling Utterly connected with ALL - yet also witnessing and not involved... Finding the consciousness expanding to where you are not in the body.. (example seeing over the trees while you are at ground level) Mudras (hand gestures ) spontaneously happen Asanas (body postures) spontaneously happen Body may move with certain music - uncontrolled pulsing or swaying Feeling as if you are in a strong earthquake Ability to manifest what is needed - once again a siddhi but do not attach to these phenomena, let them go Seeing of internal lights (flashing lights in vision rotating light) Seeing the world in enhanced coloration Yawning - Laughing - Crying That's just cultural baggage quant, we should just ignore it. ;-) Nice list actually! Nice list, indeed. But those things can be experienced without the need for self-proclaimed satgurus appealing to the authority of lineages and whatnot. Hell, some of those things could be experienced by eating a couple large slices of chocolate cake before bedtime. Not to mention just being human and living in our times. For example, the first one, seeing Blue Light. By this criterion, everyone who has ever taken Viagra is on the path. :-) It seems to me that this list is a hodge-podge of hazy spiritual phenomena designed to make people who read it feel special, because they have almost by definition experienced several of them. Having been told that they are special and on the path for having had one or more of these experiences, they are supposed to be attracted to her and eventually want to follow the person who has recognized their specialness (event- ually, of course, donating to her livelihood while doing so) so that they can be told on a regular basis how special they are. I'm trying not to badrap gurus here, but this act of cruising the Internet spiritual newsgroups looking for long-distance followers to pay for her life and basic- ally worship her doesn't really do it for me. There are a *lot* of people out there who are not satisfied with the progress they've made along their current spiritual path. As far as I can tell, hers is a fairly overt attempt to pander to that unhappiness, to get the students to blame the teacher they're currently study- ing with for that perceived lack of progress, and to switch over to a real teacher, namely her. In my book, if a teacher actually has some phwam! and is seeking students, all they have to do is give a few talks or write a book. To actively cruise other spiritual trad- itions' discussion groups hoping to lure away disgruntled seekers from those traditions is, IMO, a lazy
[FairfieldLife] Invisible College PDF art mag
http://www.earthrites.org/invisible-college/IC-Imbolc07.pdf http://www.earthrites.org/invisible-college.htm
[FairfieldLife] Judy asks a hard question - quotes four negations
cardemaister wrote: Anyone know where one could find them on the Net? Erik - Yes, you can find Nagarjuna's negations on the net and in various books about Indian philosophy. There are actually eight negations proposed by Nagarjuna (circa 200 AD). Well, I don't know where Judy got the impression that Nagarjuna had anything to say about the Indian term 'Brahman', since Nagarjuna was a Middle Way Buddhist writing before the advent of Adwaita; from Ken Wilber, I guess. She failed to credit her citation. Whoops! I pointed this out on several occasions: The concept of 'Brahman' is an illusion according to Nagarjuna; a mere metaphysical construct, not an object of cognition. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: willytex Date: 16 Feb 2005 14:02:14 -0800 Subject: Re: Nagarjuna's Four Negations http://tinyurl.com/2c3hyf It would be more likely that Shankara (circa 788 AD) read the works of Nagarjuna and presented himself as a quasi-Buddhist in order to gain adherents to Adwaita. It is interesting to note that Shankara put on the ochre robe in imitation of the Buddhist sramanas, during the time in Indian history that Buddhism was flourishing all over India. jstein wrote: Here's Nagarjuna's Four Negations: Brahman is not the relative. Brahman is not the Absolute. Brahman is not the relative and the Absolute. Brahman is not neither the relative nor the Absolute. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/141175 The Negations of Nagarjuna: From the absolute standpoint there is neither destruction nor production, neither nihilism nor eternalism, neither unity nor plurality, neither coming in or going out (Sharma 90). The four negations summary in a nutshell: Things are not produced - a thing cannot arise out of itself. Motion is impossible - things do not move hither and thither. There is no change - things do not change into other things. Action and its results are unreal - matter is an illusion, an appearance only, just like the horns of hare, a dream, defective vision, or a barren woman's son. Source: 'Madhyamika Karika' By Nagarajuna p. 11 Cited in: 'A Crtitical Survey of Indian Philosophy' By Chanradhar Sharma, M.A., D.Phil., L.B., Shastri 'Muula Madhyamaka Kaarikaa' Translation by Professor Richard Hayes http://www.geocities.com/jiji_muge/mmk.html
[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
First of all, the list on the other post is not a list of symptoms of being on the path, it is a partial list of symptoms that the kundalini may have awoken as people go searching the net trying to find out what happened to them, as they had a spontaneous kundalini awakening and no one including all the Dr's know what is going on. Some of the things may also be signposts along the way for someone who is in the midst of their journey- these signposts can occur to people in any path including TM. Signposts such as seeing blue light, seeing or hearing saints, etc. Without proper guidance, one with these sign posts can be quite deluded in their journey. Maybe they think it is such a significant thing and therefore they are so evolved, but in actuality, it is something that can happen as a matter of course. Psychics, healers- this is just something that people have but it has nothing to do with enlightenment and more often than not the people with these abilities have an inbalanced life, acording to Swami G. And by the way, Swami G is not psychic, and is a Siddha Guru. That means one that has arisen abouve the siddhis. The greatest siddhi of them all is to know the absolute, acording to G ( can also refer to Swami G as G) Regarding the path, it is not restrictive but rather freeing. Restrictive is all the dogma, and that isn't here. Swami G eats meat and it has no effect on the consciousness. If you look though the sat sang recordings in www.abide-in-self.com, maybe it is sat sang number 14 or 17 where Swami G talks all about it. If one takes full diksha, then there is a diksha name. there is also mantra diksha which is not fully engageing in the path as yet, then you dont get a new name. In taking sanyas diksha, the name will change yet again. Responding to the comments in the other post, where the poster went off on a commentary about the list- I am the one that came to this site, not Swami G, she is not a member here. I presented some comments from here for which she gave her comments, or she gave her comments- whatever. I am repeating myself to say that Swami G is not chasing after disciples, there are few here as I have told you. If anything, if a Guru is going to chase after their disciples, then it would be highly recomemded to tell them they are great, they will get a cosmic ego, they will have better sex, they will be able to be king. By telling people the direct truth, I dont think this is going to attract disciples. IN the TM world, you get a cosmic mind and ego and you are saving the world. Over here, you loose your mind and ego, and world will be what it will be- but if you loose all the coverings, which is baggage- then you are really happy and only then in Realized state can you impact the world significantly by virtue of existence. Swami G's interest is to take sincere disciples to Realization as fast as possible. That is what she is comissioned to do. You dont hear about saving the world. She responded to this and said the world will be what it will be- This messai complex to save the world will also have to be transcended at some point. I have some commentary about all that from Swami G which is most interesting and I will try to dig it up. Tanmay --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron sidha7001@ wrote: I picked my Diksha name out of a bowl and it came out to be Tanmay Does Swami G require or prefer that her students/followers/devotees take and use a Diksha name? Or, would she be cool with folks who just want to stick with their regular names? Also, does she require or prefer that her students/followers/devotees eat a vegetarian diet?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Young At Heart Chorus
It brings out a different spin on the lyrics. In Delta blues I have plenty of guys to model for playing into their 80's. Here is one of my favorite models for how to enjoy the golden years, John Lee Hooker! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji0j_eWQ0uU Here is a guy who is still playing into his late 80's or early 90's, Honeyboy Edwards. He traveled with Robert Johnson in the 30's and wrote a great book called about his life as a traveling bluesman called The World Don't Owe Me Nuth'n. That pretty much says it all! Nice interview at the end. This is how I plan to do it at his age! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Call me an old softy -- or just old -- but I really loved this article, and the spirit with which these particular musicians prove that We will, we will rock you. The first article I read on them is below, preceded by a few other links I've found about them. Enjoy, and consider their example when pondering your own old age. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6k-99qcCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBeFL3qI-n8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McCpBsH9cOQmode=relatedsearch= http://www.youngatheartchorus.com/ I'm going to be rude and follow up on my own post here, but these guys and gals just inspire the hell out of me. What a concept, eh? And what joy on their faces to be shocking audiences, and making them laugh, and making them cry, and above all *getting away with it*, in a society that had all but written them off. My hat is off to them, revealing my own bald spot and graying hair. Many of us here are not that far away from the age ballpark represented by Young At Heart. And, I have to say, many of us here are probably going to be kickin' Senior Citizens. Can't you just imagine Curtis toolin' down the corridors of his rest home in a lowrider wheelchair, complete with dingleberries? Can't you imagine the pretend outrage of the female nurses as he pinches their butts in passing? And can't you just imagine Sal pinching the butts of the male nurses who are distracted by the commotion? Can't you imagine all of us gathered around a campfire in the back yard of the rest home at night, making smores and listening to tales of power told by Edg Duveyoung and Rory and Tom T and tr3nity and new.morning? Lou could tell our futures, and Off and Bharitu could point out the conspiracies that are really creating those futures. Jim and do.rflex would be sitting off to one side, talk- ing with Guru Dev. Robert Gimbel would perform poetry, accompanied by Curtis and card and other musicians in the group. Vaj and I would still be lying, and Judy would be trying to point that out, but everyone else would pelt us with smores and tell us to lighten up, and we would, and would even share a toast to it. And sitting there, beaming like a Cheshire cat, would be Rick, surveying his work. And we'd have a lot of FUN, and sing and dance and party like it was 1999, and we'd stay up WAY past angel train time, until the neighbors called the cops on us for making all that infernal noise while they were trying to sleep. And then, before the cops get there, we'd serenade our sleepy, younger neighbors with one last song, ending the evening like Young At Heart does, with a rousing chorus of Forever Young: May God bless and keep you always, May your wishes all come true, May you always do for others And let others do for you. May you build a ladder to the stars And climb on every rung, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. May you grow up to be righteous, May you grow up to be true, May you always know the truth And see the lights surrounding you. May you always be courageous, Stand upright and be strong, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. May your hands always be busy, May your feet always be swift, May you have a strong foundation When the winds of changes shift. May your heart always be joyful, May your song always be sung, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:45 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning Something is off kilter to the story. Doug married Debbie in 1981 but he did the Magic Show on Broadway for four and a half years starting in 1974. So maybe it was Barbara DeAngelis with whom he was going to fly across the Channel. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning How do you know he did? What does it mean to have one's soul saved? Would Doug's soul have been lost if he hadn't met MMY? don't know about his soul, but mmy ruined Doug's career - it was a great loss that the world didn't see doug do his incredible performances for so many years that he wasted on the movt and vedaland. doug's health certainly wasn't helped either. and his wife struggles with mental issues since his death. I don't see how tmers think doug's story is some great victory for MMY. Interesting point. I saw a letter several years ago, maybe it was posted here, written by someone who had been working on the Vedaland project, which suggested that very point – that the project put tremendous pressure on those involved due to the half-assed way in which it was undertaken, and that that pressure took a great toll on Doug and others involved. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Young At Heart Chorus
I forgot the Honeyboy link on youtube, here it is :http://youtube.com/watch?v=i441yw-ns9I --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It brings out a different spin on the lyrics. In Delta blues I have plenty of guys to model for playing into their 80's. Here is one of my favorite models for how to enjoy the golden years, John Lee Hooker! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji0j_eWQ0uU Here is a guy who is still playing into his late 80's or early 90's, Honeyboy Edwards. He traveled with Robert Johnson in the 30's and wrote a great book called about his life as a traveling bluesman called The World Don't Owe Me Nuth'n. That pretty much says it all! Nice interview at the end. This is how I plan to do it at his age! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Call me an old softy -- or just old -- but I really loved this article, and the spirit with which these particular musicians prove that We will, we will rock you. The first article I read on them is below, preceded by a few other links I've found about them. Enjoy, and consider their example when pondering your own old age. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6k-99qcCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBeFL3qI-n8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McCpBsH9cOQmode=relatedsearch= http://www.youngatheartchorus.com/ I'm going to be rude and follow up on my own post here, but these guys and gals just inspire the hell out of me. What a concept, eh? And what joy on their faces to be shocking audiences, and making them laugh, and making them cry, and above all *getting away with it*, in a society that had all but written them off. My hat is off to them, revealing my own bald spot and graying hair. Many of us here are not that far away from the age ballpark represented by Young At Heart. And, I have to say, many of us here are probably going to be kickin' Senior Citizens. Can't you just imagine Curtis toolin' down the corridors of his rest home in a lowrider wheelchair, complete with dingleberries? Can't you imagine the pretend outrage of the female nurses as he pinches their butts in passing? And can't you just imagine Sal pinching the butts of the male nurses who are distracted by the commotion? Can't you imagine all of us gathered around a campfire in the back yard of the rest home at night, making smores and listening to tales of power told by Edg Duveyoung and Rory and Tom T and tr3nity and new.morning? Lou could tell our futures, and Off and Bharitu could point out the conspiracies that are really creating those futures. Jim and do.rflex would be sitting off to one side, talk- ing with Guru Dev. Robert Gimbel would perform poetry, accompanied by Curtis and card and other musicians in the group. Vaj and I would still be lying, and Judy would be trying to point that out, but everyone else would pelt us with smores and tell us to lighten up, and we would, and would even share a toast to it. And sitting there, beaming like a Cheshire cat, would be Rick, surveying his work. And we'd have a lot of FUN, and sing and dance and party like it was 1999, and we'd stay up WAY past angel train time, until the neighbors called the cops on us for making all that infernal noise while they were trying to sleep. And then, before the cops get there, we'd serenade our sleepy, younger neighbors with one last song, ending the evening like Young At Heart does, with a rousing chorus of Forever Young: May God bless and keep you always, May your wishes all come true, May you always do for others And let others do for you. May you build a ladder to the stars And climb on every rung, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. May you grow up to be righteous, May you grow up to be true, May you always know the truth And see the lights surrounding you. May you always be courageous, Stand upright and be strong, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. May your hands always be busy, May your feet always be swift, May you have a strong foundation When the winds of changes shift. May your heart always be joyful, May your song always be sung, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Interesting story about Doug Henning
Sounds like a total bullshit story. What idiot would believe that you can create a successful illusion of flying over the english channel. Just horse shit. And if you wanted to create that illusion Doug could figure it out on his own. Jeez! --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone told me this story today, as told to him by Jim Bagnola. When Doug was doing The Magic Show on Broadway, he often got calls from people wanting to sell him magic tricks or illusions. This is common with magicians, especially well-known ones. His manager, Jim Bagnola, fielded the calls. One time an older gentleman called and asked to talk to Doug. Jim said he was Dougs manager and the gentleman would have to talk to him first, but the man insisted on talking directly to Doug and finally Jim put him through to Doug. The man offered to sell Doug an illusion which would enable him to levitate across the English Channel, along with his wife Debbie, and promised (it went without saying) that this would make him the most famous magician in the world. Doug and Debbie proceeded to have numerous chats with the fellow and developed a friendship with him. The gentleman knew all kinds of things which he couldnt possibly have known except through some siddhi. He would tell Doug that certain things were going to happen in his life, and then they would. Often he would say that certain people were going to be in Dougs audience that evening, and they were. One time he told Doug that his show that evening might not go on because Doug was going to get a bad stomach flu, but that Swami Satchitananda was going to be in the audience that evening, and that he would heal him. Thats what ended up happening. Im not sure how long this phone friendship developed, but finally Doug was ready to go out to some rural area of Arizona to meet the guy and have a demonstration of the promised ability to fly across the English Channel. Doug was meeting with MMY in DC along with Jim Bagnola and John Hagelin. The three of them were going to fly out and as the meeting went on, they became more and more desperate to leave for the airport so as not to miss their flight. Every time they mentioned it to MMY, he put them off, and finally told them they shouldnt go. Doug asked why and MMY said that the man they were going to meet was not a good man. Doug protested that he had become a friend and that Doug trusted him. MMY kept arguing his point of view and Doug his. Finally, Doug said Maharishi, you dont understand. MMY paused and said, We dont know what planet this man is from. He has a Master in Tibet. If you go out there, Ill never see you again. I dont want you to go. So they didnt go. Afterwards, Doug tried to contact the guy, but the number he had so often called was disconnected. He never heard from him again. Rick Archer President SearchSummit HYPERLINK http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=1108+S.+B+St.csz=Fairfield% 2C+IA+52556-3805country=us \n1108 S. B St. Fairfield, IA 52556-3805 HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: fax: Skype ID: HYPERLINK http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signatureTo=641-472-9336Email=r [EMAIL PROTECTED] \n641-472-9336 914-470-9336 Rick_Archer HYPERLINK https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=25769982909v0=356483k0=1251699766v1=35648 4k1=804482755src=client_sig_212_1_card_joininvite=1 \nAlways have my latest info HYPERLINK http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig; \nWant a signature like this? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: don't know about his soul, but mmy ruined Doug's career - it was a great loss that the world didn't see doug do his incredible performances for so many years that he wasted on the movt and vedaland. doug's health certainly wasn't helped either. and his wife struggles with mental issues since his death. I don't see how tmers think doug's story is some great victory for MMY. Nablus, commentary please? lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Young At Heart Chorus
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It brings out a different spin on the lyrics. In Delta blues I have plenty of guys to model for playing into their 80's. Here is one of my favorite models for how to enjoy the golden years, John Lee Hooker! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji0j_eWQ0uU Here is a guy who is still playing into his late 80's or early 90's, Honeyboy Edwards. He traveled with Robert Johnson in the 30's and wrote a great book called about his life as a traveling bluesman called The World Don't Owe Me Nuth'n. That pretty much says it all! Nice interview at the end. This is how I plan to do it at his age! One of the most impressive performers I've ever seen (and I got to see him a lot, because he lived in Albuquerque when I lived in Santa Fe, and played often in the area) was Bo Diddley. He was in his mid-seveties then, and clearly the youngest person in the room, and the one having the most fun. Here is a video of him at age 60: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25upsgckM2Y Some other performers still performing into their older years, discovered today on YouTube; click the icon in the lower right to view them in full screen mode: Bob Dylan, Forever Young: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSpAWVa4Jak Bruce Cockburn, Soul Of A Man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYOz-turJ3g Bruce Cockburn, Child Of The Wind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j1SIUGRxRM Van Morrison, Philosopher's Stone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN5khQ1tsx8 Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir, Ripple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRWxKHV10Bw Grateful Dead, Touch Of Grey: :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXgbx3liL_s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Call me an old softy -- or just old -- but I really loved this article, and the spirit with which these particular musicians prove that We will, we will rock you. The first article I read on them is below, preceded by a few other links I've found about them. Enjoy, and consider their example when pondering your own old age. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6k-99qcCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBeFL3qI-n8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McCpBsH9cOQmode=relatedsearch= http://www.youngatheartchorus.com/ I'm going to be rude and follow up on my own post here, but these guys and gals just inspire the hell out of me. What a concept, eh? And what joy on their faces to be shocking audiences, and making them laugh, and making them cry, and above all *getting away with it*, in a society that had all but written them off. My hat is off to them, revealing my own bald spot and graying hair. Many of us here are not that far away from the age ballpark represented by Young At Heart. And, I have to say, many of us here are probably going to be kickin' Senior Citizens. Can't you just imagine Curtis toolin' down the corridors of his rest home in a lowrider wheelchair, complete with dingleberries? Can't you imagine the pretend outrage of the female nurses as he pinches their butts in passing? And can't you just imagine Sal pinching the butts of the male nurses who are distracted by the commotion? Can't you imagine all of us gathered around a campfire in the back yard of the rest home at night, making smores and listening to tales of power told by Edg Duveyoung and Rory and Tom T and tr3nity and new.morning? Lou could tell our futures, and Off and Bharitu could point out the conspiracies that are really creating those futures. Jim and do.rflex would be sitting off to one side, talk- ing with Guru Dev. Robert Gimbel would perform poetry, accompanied by Curtis and card and other musicians in the group. Vaj and I would still be lying, and Judy would be trying to point that out, but everyone else would pelt us with smores and tell us to lighten up, and we would, and would even share a toast to it. And sitting there, beaming like a Cheshire cat, would be Rick, surveying his work. And we'd have a lot of FUN, and sing and dance and party like it was 1999, and we'd stay up WAY past angel train time, until the neighbors called the cops on us for making all that infernal noise while they were trying to sleep. And then, before the cops get there, we'd serenade our sleepy, younger neighbors with one last song, ending the evening like Young At Heart does, with a rousing chorus of Forever Young: May God bless and keep you always, May your wishes all come true, May you always do for others And let others do for you. May you build a ladder to the stars And climb on every rung, May you stay forever young, Forever young, forever young, May you stay forever young. May you grow up to be righteous, May you grow up to be true, May you always know the truth And
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty is imaginary -- the individual is cosmic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Maharishis plans are not for 60 years this way or that way but for at least 1000 years ahead. Those who are sentimentally, or for other reasons, stuck in older instructions are, well, stuck. The Movement belongs to those that move. It appears to me that Maharishi has established a government foundation, based on the vedic divisions of labor, for generations to come. He has established a government based on the following order of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and sudras. The brahmins are the teachers. The kshatriyas are the administrators. The vaisyas are the business people. The sudras are the workers. Maharishi has already established the kshatriyas by appointing the various Rajahs in various regions of the world. In short, he has revived the vedic system of governance. It would interesting to speculate as to how long this system of government will last. what system of government? what is being governed? people who pay a million dollars get a title and a crown and the right to work part time to raise more money for the mov't. they're not governing anything outside of the movement. rajas have a little power but most power in the tmo resides with MMY relatives and the usual insiders. giving titles for money began with the 108s in the early 70s and has continue in various incarnations since then. the rajas will continue until the next big thing and then the tmo will gradually wither away after MMY dies. Perhaps, this is the reason why MMY is taking his time to set up the Global Country so that the government will survive after he dies. According to vedic literature, the vedic system of government is the best one among all the systems of government. Specifically, the vedic system should be able to select the best leaders who are supposed to be the most enlightened, as opposed to the system of government which elects those who are less developed in their level of consciousness. In other words, it's an appeal to elitism. I'm more fit to lead because I'm more __. (fill in the blank with the claimed criterion here). Excuse me, but isn't this the same claim of authority on which governmental systems based on royalty or heredity is based? And on which, essentially, Bush and the pseudo- Christian neocons base their authority? And on which the Islamic fundamentalists wish to establish *their* heaven on Earth? The caste system, no matter how you cut it, is a system of discrimination based upon elitism and heredity. If you are born into a certain caste, that and that alone determines what you can aspire to in life, and the level of authority you can possibly attain. Vedas, schmedas...it's the same old appeal to elitism. We are fit to lead because we are more __. See? It says so in our scriptures. Gag me with a spoon. At least Maharishi's Global Country is just a fiction, a fantasy indulged in by those to whom elitism appeals as long as they can buy their way into the elite. I shudder to think what would happen to the world if it ever became a *real* system of government. On the whole, given the excesses and the mindless, authoritarian acts we've seen in the TMO, Bush and his neocons might be a better option. In my opinion, to say that the caste system, the natural dharmic order of humanity is based on elitism is like the bark of a tree, or the roots of a tree, or the leaves, refusing to play their appointed role, because they believe the structure of the tree is built on elitism. We live in a mixed caste society in the US and Europe anyway, so such a system is not likely to be established naturally any time soon. However by bringing out and establishing however transiently such alternative systems of operation such as Maharishi has done, he challenges those who are faced with these alternative systems of operation; NLP, Country of World Peace, Vedic Civilization, Ideal Society, etc. to confront their own boundaries, and consider these radical alternatives. Maharishi's dharma is not to establish such alternative systems of social organization. Rather it is to challenge the mindsets of Turq and others, who have strong reactions to his proposals, and maybe, just maybe have them begin to think in creative ways about what makes an effective system of social organization or government work, or not, and challenge their long held beliefs and prejudices. In the posting above Turq is convinced that Vedic society can't work and possibly Bush is better. That conclusion may be accurate, or it may be wildly
[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Looks and feels to me like a poser. No energy hit at all. No awakening. No offense to any followers- just offering my sense of it.:-) Clearly Vaj got it wrong, or only partial right. As Jim has astutely reminded us, a guru must be one who can dispel darkness, AND give a substantive energy hit to remote readers of web sites. Sounds like you've been puffing on Mr. Chillum again.;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 16, 2007, at 12:22 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Henning had real shaky health, and was a hypochondriac to boot -- if you mentioned the word pneumothorax (spontaneous collapse of the lungs, which Henning was susceptible to), he would turn pale and nearly faint. Glad MMY saved his soul, How do you know he did? What does it mean to have one's soul saved? Would Doug's soul have been lost if he hadn't met MMY? Maybe the reason he didn't want him to go was because Henning would dump him once he met this other master? yeah, that's it. And consistent with everything I know about Maharishi- always desperate to retain and manipulate his followers. Ha- I can't hink of another teacher who cares more about his followers' enlightenment, to the point where he drove most of them off a long time ago. Vaj, sometimes you are close to being correct, and other times like this you are so full of crap!:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Young At Heart Chorus
Nice list! As Param Guru Timothy Leary said: You're only as old as the last time you REALLY changed your mind! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It brings out a different spin on the lyrics. In Delta blues I have plenty of guys to model for playing into their 80's. Here is one of my favorite models for how to enjoy the golden years, John Lee Hooker! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji0j_eWQ0uU Here is a guy who is still playing into his late 80's or early 90's, Honeyboy Edwards. He traveled with Robert Johnson in the 30's and wrote a great book called about his life as a traveling bluesman called The World Don't Owe Me Nuth'n. That pretty much says it all! Nice interview at the end. This is how I plan to do it at his age! One of the most impressive performers I've ever seen (and I got to see him a lot, because he lived in Albuquerque when I lived in Santa Fe, and played often in the area) was Bo Diddley. He was in his mid-seveties then, and clearly the youngest person in the room, and the one having the most fun. Here is a video of him at age 60: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25upsgckM2Y Some other performers still performing into their older years, discovered today on YouTube; click the icon in the lower right to view them in full screen mode: Bob Dylan, Forever Young: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSpAWVa4Jak Bruce Cockburn, Soul Of A Man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYOz-turJ3g Bruce Cockburn, Child Of The Wind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j1SIUGRxRM Van Morrison, Philosopher's Stone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN5khQ1tsx8 Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir, Ripple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRWxKHV10Bw Grateful Dead, Touch Of Grey: :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXgbx3liL_s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Call me an old softy -- or just old -- but I really loved this article, and the spirit with which these particular musicians prove that We will, we will rock you. The first article I read on them is below, preceded by a few other links I've found about them. Enjoy, and consider their example when pondering your own old age. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6k-99qcCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBeFL3qI-n8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McCpBsH9cOQmode=relatedsearch= http://www.youngatheartchorus.com/ I'm going to be rude and follow up on my own post here, but these guys and gals just inspire the hell out of me. What a concept, eh? And what joy on their faces to be shocking audiences, and making them laugh, and making them cry, and above all *getting away with it*, in a society that had all but written them off. My hat is off to them, revealing my own bald spot and graying hair. Many of us here are not that far away from the age ballpark represented by Young At Heart. And, I have to say, many of us here are probably going to be kickin' Senior Citizens. Can't you just imagine Curtis toolin' down the corridors of his rest home in a lowrider wheelchair, complete with dingleberries? Can't you imagine the pretend outrage of the female nurses as he pinches their butts in passing? And can't you just imagine Sal pinching the butts of the male nurses who are distracted by the commotion? Can't you imagine all of us gathered around a campfire in the back yard of the rest home at night, making smores and listening to tales of power told by Edg Duveyoung and Rory and Tom T and tr3nity and new.morning? Lou could tell our futures, and Off and Bharitu could point out the conspiracies that are really creating those futures. Jim and do.rflex would be sitting off to one side, talk- ing with Guru Dev. Robert Gimbel would perform poetry, accompanied by Curtis and card and other musicians in the group. Vaj and I would still be lying, and Judy would be trying to point that out, but everyone else would pelt us with smores and tell us to lighten up, and we would, and would even share a toast to it. And sitting there, beaming like a Cheshire cat, would be Rick, surveying his work. And we'd have a lot of FUN, and sing and dance and party like it was 1999, and we'd stay up WAY past angel train time, until the neighbors called the cops on us for making all that infernal noise while they were trying to sleep. And then, before the cops get there, we'd serenade our sleepy, younger neighbors with one last song, ending the evening like Young At Heart does, with a rousing chorus of Forever Young: May God bless and keep you always, May your wishes all come true, May you
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 12:45 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning Something is off kilter to the story. Doug married Debbie in 1981 but he did the Magic Show on Broadway for four and a half years starting in 1974. So maybe it was Barbara DeAngelis with whom he was going to fly across the Channel. If it was Barbara DeAngelis flying across the Channel with Doug, he most certainly would have let himself drop down and drown because her incessant talking would have driven him to suicide. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning How do you know he did? What does it mean to have one's soul saved? Would Doug's soul have been lost if he hadn't met MMY? don't know about his soul, but mmy ruined Doug's career - it was a great loss that the world didn't see doug do his incredible performances for so many years that he wasted on the movt and vedaland. doug's health certainly wasn't helped either. and his wife struggles with mental issues since his death. I don't see how tmers think doug's story is some great victory for MMY. Interesting point. I saw a letter several years ago, maybe it was posted here, written by someone who had been working on the Vedaland project, which suggested that very point that the project put tremendous pressure on those involved due to the half-assed way in which it was undertaken, and that that pressure took a great toll on Doug and others involved. I remember seeing a Canadian TV news report on Doug and Vedaland and the thing that struck me about the coverage was a clip of Doug sitting beneath a tree with some other TM investment/principal/sucker discussing the draft of the design of the letterhead to be used on Vedaland stationary and Doug saying: Maharishi is going to love this! To me, that said it all: no substance, all flash. Maharishi getting caught up in the minute details of something as insignificant and unimportant as how a letterhead or logo looks rather than the actual reality of the project itself. More fun in making the MIU catalog or building the model for the world's tallest building or creating gold- painted broshures of world governments than actually following through on the reality of the project. And then, of course, Maharishi's ADHD would kick in, he'd totally abandon the project of the moment and move on to the next, great, big thing. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Young At Heart Chorus
That song Bo was doing was a Muddy Water's song. Here is Muddy about the same age playing with the Stones doing the same song. Muddy was another model for how to age! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: It brings out a different spin on the lyrics. In Delta blues I have plenty of guys to model for playing into their 80's. Here is one of my favorite models for how to enjoy the golden years, John Lee Hooker! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji0j_eWQ0uU Here is a guy who is still playing into his late 80's or early 90's, Honeyboy Edwards. He traveled with Robert Johnson in the 30's and wrote a great book called about his life as a traveling bluesman called The World Don't Owe Me Nuth'n. That pretty much says it all! Nice interview at the end. This is how I plan to do it at his age! One of the most impressive performers I've ever seen (and I got to see him a lot, because he lived in Albuquerque when I lived in Santa Fe, and played often in the area) was Bo Diddley. He was in his mid-seveties then, and clearly the youngest person in the room, and the one having the most fun. Here is a video of him at age 60: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25upsgckM2Y Some other performers still performing into their older years, discovered today on YouTube; click the icon in the lower right to view them in full screen mode: Bob Dylan, Forever Young: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSpAWVa4Jak Bruce Cockburn, Soul Of A Man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYOz-turJ3g Bruce Cockburn, Child Of The Wind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j1SIUGRxRM Van Morrison, Philosopher's Stone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN5khQ1tsx8 Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir, Ripple: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRWxKHV10Bw Grateful Dead, Touch Of Grey: :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXgbx3liL_s --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Call me an old softy -- or just old -- but I really loved this article, and the spirit with which these particular musicians prove that We will, we will rock you. The first article I read on them is below, preceded by a few other links I've found about them. Enjoy, and consider their example when pondering your own old age. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u6k-99qcCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBeFL3qI-n8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McCpBsH9cOQmode=relatedsearch= http://www.youngatheartchorus.com/ I'm going to be rude and follow up on my own post here, but these guys and gals just inspire the hell out of me. What a concept, eh? And what joy on their faces to be shocking audiences, and making them laugh, and making them cry, and above all *getting away with it*, in a society that had all but written them off. My hat is off to them, revealing my own bald spot and graying hair. Many of us here are not that far away from the age ballpark represented by Young At Heart. And, I have to say, many of us here are probably going to be kickin' Senior Citizens. Can't you just imagine Curtis toolin' down the corridors of his rest home in a lowrider wheelchair, complete with dingleberries? Can't you imagine the pretend outrage of the female nurses as he pinches their butts in passing? And can't you just imagine Sal pinching the butts of the male nurses who are distracted by the commotion? Can't you imagine all of us gathered around a campfire in the back yard of the rest home at night, making smores and listening to tales of power told by Edg Duveyoung and Rory and Tom T and tr3nity and new.morning? Lou could tell our futures, and Off and Bharitu could point out the conspiracies that are really creating those futures. Jim and do.rflex would be sitting off to one side, talk- ing with Guru Dev. Robert Gimbel would perform poetry, accompanied by Curtis and card and other musicians in the group. Vaj and I would still be lying, and Judy would be trying to point that out, but everyone else would pelt us with smores and tell us to lighten up, and we would, and would even share a toast to it. And sitting there, beaming like a Cheshire cat, would be Rick, surveying his work. And we'd have a lot of FUN, and sing and dance and party like it was 1999, and we'd stay up WAY past angel train time, until the neighbors called the cops on us for making all that infernal noise while they were trying to sleep. And then, before the cops get there, we'd serenade our sleepy, younger neighbors with one last song, ending the evening like Young At Heart does, with a rousing chorus of Forever Young: May God bless and keep you
[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Looks and feels to me like a poser. No energy hit at all. No awakening. No offense to any followers- just offering my sense of it.:-) Clearly Vaj got it wrong, or only partial right. As Jim has astutely reminded us, a guru must be one who can dispel darkness, AND give a substantive energy hit to remote readers of web sites. Sounds like you've been puffing on Mr. Chillum again.;-) Or, to paraphrase Senator Lloyd Bentsen's reply to Dan Quayle during the 1988 Vice Presidential debate: You're no Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Swami G.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Jimmy Bagnola (WAS Interesting story about Doug Henning)
Here's what Jimmy Bagnola's up to now: http://www.jimbagnola.com/ Guess he's in Austin now. That face! Just like I remember him. Takes me right back to Fairfield. Vashti --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone told me this story today, as told to him by Jim Bagnola. When Doug was doing The Magic Show on Broadway, he often got calls from people wanting to sell him magic tricks or illusions. This is common with magicians, especially well-known ones. His manager, Jim Bagnola, fielded the calls. One time an older gentleman called and asked to talk to Doug. Jim said he was Doug�s manager and the gentleman would have to talk to him first, but the man insisted on talking directly to Doug and finally Jim put him through to Doug. The man offered to sell Doug an illusion which would enable him to levitate across the English Channel, along with his wife Debbie, and promised (it went without saying) that this would make him the most famous magician in the world. Doug and Debbie proceeded to have numerous chats with the fellow and developed a friendship with him. The gentleman knew all kinds of things which he couldn�t possibly have known except through some siddhi. He would tell Doug that certain things were going to happen in his life, and then they would. Often he would say that certain people were going to be in Doug�s audience that evening, and they were. One time he told Doug that his show that evening might not go on because Doug was going to get a bad stomach flu, but that Swami Satchitananda was going to be in the audience that evening, and that he would heal him. That�s what ended up happening. I�m not sure how long this phone friendship developed, but finally Doug was ready to go out to some rural area of Arizona to meet the guy and have a demonstration of the promised ability to fly across the English Channel. Doug was meeting with MMY in DC along with Jim Bagnola and John Hagelin. The three of them were going to fly out and as the meeting went on, they became more and more desperate to leave for the airport so as not to miss their flight. Every time they mentioned it to MMY, he put them off, and finally told them they shouldn�t go. Doug asked why and MMY said that the man they were going to meet was not a good man. Doug protested that he had become a friend and that Doug trusted him. MMY kept arguing his point of view and Doug his. Finally, Doug said �Maharishi, you don�t understand.� MMY paused and said, �We don�t know what planet this man is from. He has a Master in Tibet. If you go out there, I�ll never see you again. I don�t want you to go.� So they didn�t go. Afterwards, Doug tried to contact the guy, but the number he had so often called was disconnected. He never heard from him again. Rick Archer President SearchSummit HYPERLINK http://maps.yahoo.com/py/maps.py?Pyt=Tmapaddr=1108+S.+B+St.csz=Fairfield% 2C+IA+52556-3805country=us \n1108 S. B St. Fairfield, IA 52556-3805 HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel: fax: Skype ID: HYPERLINK http://www.plaxo.com/click_to_call?src=jj_signatureTo=641-472-9336Email=r [EMAIL PROTECTED] \n641-472-9336 914-470-9336 Rick_Archer HYPERLINK https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=25769982909v0=356483k0=1251699766v1=35648 4k1=804482755src=client_sig_212_1_card_joininvite=1 \nAlways have my latest info HYPERLINK http://www.plaxo.com/signature?src=client_sig_212_1_card_sig; \nWant a signature like this? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I remember seeing a Canadian TV news report on Doug and Vedaland and the thing that struck me about the coverage was a clip of Doug sitting beneath a tree with some other TM investment/principal/sucker discussing the draft of the design of the letterhead to be used on Vedaland stationary and Doug saying: Maharishi is going to love this! To me, that said it all: no substance, all flash. Maharishi getting caught up in the minute details of something as insignificant and unimportant as how a letterhead or logo looks rather than the actual reality of the project itself. More fun in making the MIU catalog or building the model for the world's tallest building or creating gold- painted broshures of world governments than actually following through on the reality of the project. And then, of course, Maharishi's ADHD would kick in, he'd totally abandon the project of the moment and move on to the next, great, big thing. Very interesting point. It certainly does seem that MMY is much more interested by the idea than the actuality of the idea. I remember when Doug came to MIU and we had a big assembly in the dome where he presented the whole plan about vedaland. I was running a camera for MIU video and was talking through the intercom system with the other camera people and the director. We all were making fun of the idea (we all were long time TMer's) knowing that it never would be actualized. Just a pipe dream. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
RE: [FairfieldLife] Jimmy Bagnola (WAS Interesting story about Doug Henning)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vashtirama Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jimmy Bagnola (WAS Interesting story about Doug Henning) Here's what Jimmy Bagnola's up to now: HYPERLINK http://www.jimbagnola.com/http://www.jimbagnola.com/ Guess he's in Austin now. That face! Just like I remember him. Takes me right back to Fairfield. Vashti I heard he’s making a bundle with this gig. Like 10’s of thousands per seminar. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
I remember when Doug came to MIU and we had a big assembly in the dome where he presented the whole plan about vedaland. I remember that night. Packed dome. Very exciting night. One of the best nights and one of the best times to be on CCP and living on campus at MUM. It was 1987, I believe, although I was also there rounding in the summer of 88 and the summer of 89. We all were making fun of the idea (we all were long time TMer's) knowing that it never would be actualized. Just a pipe dream. Like I said, it was a very exciting night for many of the sidhas attending the event. We were still expecting all of MMY's grand plans would come to pass. I had none of the inside scoop that you and others had, and I was unaware any jadedness existed at all among anyone who would still be in the dome for any reason. Like the caption on the X-Files UFO poster said, I want to believe. --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I remember seeing a Canadian TV news report on Doug and Vedaland and the thing that struck me about the coverage was a clip of Doug sitting beneath a tree with some other TM investment/principal/sucker discussing the draft of the design of the letterhead to be used on Vedaland stationary and Doug saying: Maharishi is going to love this! To me, that said it all: no substance, all flash. Maharishi getting caught up in the minute details of something as insignificant and unimportant as how a letterhead or logo looks rather than the actual reality of the project itself. More fun in making the MIU catalog or building the model for the world's tallest building or creating gold- painted broshures of world governments than actually following through on the reality of the project. And then, of course, Maharishi's ADHD would kick in, he'd totally abandon the project of the moment and move on to the next, great, big thing. Very interesting point. It certainly does seem that MMY is much more interested by the idea than the actuality of the idea. I remember when Doug came to MIU and we had a big assembly in the dome where he presented the whole plan about vedaland. I was running a camera for MIU video and was talking through the intercom system with the other camera people and the director. We all were making fun of the idea (we all were long time TMer's) knowing that it never would be actualized. Just a pipe dream. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097
[FairfieldLife] Derived from vyaakaraNa (grammer)!
vaiyAkaraNa mfn. (fr. %{vy-AkaraNa}) relating to grammar , grammatical
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[FairfieldLife] Bad health from India -- was/Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning How do you know he did? What does it mean to have one's soul saved? Would Doug's soul have been lost if he hadn't met MMY? don't know about his soul, but mmy ruined Doug's career - it was a great loss that the world didn't see doug do his incredible performances for so many years that he wasted on the movt and vedaland. doug's health certainly wasn't helped either. and his wife struggles with mental issues since his death. I don't see how tmers think doug's story is some great victory for MMY. Interesting point. I saw a letter several years ago, maybe it was posted here, written by someone who had been working on the Vedaland project, which suggested that very point that the project put tremendous pressure on those involved due to the half-assed way in which it was undertaken, and that that pressure took a great toll on Doug and others involved. Actually, I believe many TM'rs who spent a lot of time in India during the 80's and early 90's, such as Doug, Skip Alexander, Curly King, and others, became sick and cancerous due to eating a lot of Indian rice and veggies. It is well known that during (and after) that time, Indian farmers used A LOT of DDT (and other pesticides) on their crops (Developed in US, banned in US and Europe, still used widely in 3rd world), and it was before Maharishi was really emphasizing organic in his Ashrams. I believe a lot of the cancers came from extreme pesticide use in Indian agricultural practices - taught to them, and even virtually forced upon them, by Monsanto. Many of those deaths came just about the right amount of time after many TM'rs spent a lot of time with Maharishi at Maharishi Nagar and other places, for such carcinogenics from exessive pesticide use to take hold. Sad but true. As for the legacy of Doug Henning? Nice guy, inspired a lot of people, spirit still lives on. Vedaland is a flop, magicianship is a bit silly at the best of times. OffWorld .
[FairfieldLife] RE: VEDA LAND just as the South has it is rising Veda Land is rising
Yes. True its been longer with disappointments but its NOT DEAD abandoned but is rising. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Poverty is imaginary -- the individual is cosmic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Maharishis plans are not for 60 years this way or that way but for at least 1000 years ahead. Those who are sentimentally, or for other reasons, stuck in older instructions are, well, stuck. The Movement belongs to those that move. It appears to me that Maharishi has established a government foundation, based on the vedic divisions of labor, for generations to come. He has established a government based on the following order of labor: brahmin, kshatriya, vaisya, and sudras. The brahmins are the teachers. The kshatriyas are the administrators. The vaisyas are the business people. The sudras are the workers. Maharishi has already established the kshatriyas by appointing the various Rajahs in various regions of the world. In short, he has revived the vedic system of governance. It would interesting to speculate as to how long this system of government will last. what system of government? what is being governed? people who pay a million dollars get a title and a crown and the right to work part time to raise more money for the mov't. they're not governing anything outside of the movement. rajas have a little power but most power in the tmo resides with MMY relatives and the usual insiders. giving titles for money began with the 108s in the early 70s and has continue in various incarnations since then. the rajas will continue until the next big thing and then the tmo will gradually wither away after MMY dies. Perhaps, this is the reason why MMY is taking his time to set up the Global Country so that the government will survive after he dies. According to vedic literature, the vedic system of government is the best one among all the systems of government. Specifically, the vedic system should be able to select the best leaders who are supposed to be the most enlightened, as opposed to the system of government which elects those who are less developed in their level of consciousness. In other words, it's an appeal to elitism. I'm more fit to lead because I'm more __. (fill in the blank with the claimed criterion here). Excuse me, but isn't this the same claim of authority on which governmental systems based on royalty or heredity is based? And on which, essentially, Bush and the pseudo- Christian neocons base their authority? And on which the Islamic fundamentalists wish to establish *their* heaven on Earth? The caste system, no matter how you cut it, is a system of discrimination based upon elitism and heredity. If you are born into a certain caste, that and that alone determines what you can aspire to in life, and the level of authority you can possibly attain. Vedas, schmedas...it's the same old appeal to elitism. We are fit to lead because we are more __. See? It says so in our scriptures. Gag me with a spoon. At least Maharishi's Global Country is just a fiction, a fantasy indulged in by those to whom elitism appeals as long as they can buy their way into the elite. I shudder to think what would happen to the world if it ever became a *real* system of government. On the whole, given the excesses and the mindless, authoritarian acts we've seen in the TMO, Bush and his neocons might be a better option. In my opinion, to say that the caste system, the natural dharmic order of humanity is based on elitism is like the bark of a tree, or the roots of a tree, or the leaves, refusing to play their appointed role, because they believe the structure of the tree is built on elitism. We live in a mixed caste society in the US and Europe anyway, so such a system is not likely to be established naturally any time soon. However by bringing out and establishing however transiently such alternative systems of operation such as Maharishi has done, he challenges those who are faced with these alternative systems of operation; NLP, Country of World Peace, Vedic Civilization, Ideal Society, etc. to confront their own boundaries, and consider these radical alternatives. Maharishi's dharma is not to establish such alternative systems of social organization. Rather it is to challenge the mindsets of Turq and others, who have strong reactions to his proposals, and maybe, just maybe have them begin to think in creative ways about what makes an effective system of social organization or government work, or not, and challenge their long
[FairfieldLife] A post for Willytex
Richard, Once, on either a.m.t. or FFL, you asked me a question that I actually took seriously. The question was, What is Tantra? I think we once had a very civil discussion about one of my definitions of Tantra, ZZ Top's Master of Sparks, and the story behind it. Today, surfing YouTube, I stumbled on another of those definitions. Back when I studied with Rama, we had sort of a house band, named Zazen. The members of Zazen were all professional musicians -- Zen played bass for the Dixie Dregs, Bodhi the guitarist has played and recorded with half the greats in the jazz pantheon, and Satori the keyboardist composed and played half the music you ever heard behind American TV shows. But Rama took these guys, who had never met each other before, and turned them into a group that recorded 39 albums in 12 years. Satori died in a plane crash and Rama did himself in, but Zen and Bodhi are still working musicians who have a band called Fwap that performs from time to time. This is a YouTube clip of question- able video quality but acceptable audio quality of one of their recent performances. Listen to it on good headphones or pump it through a good computer sound system and you'll have a better feel for how it is supposed to sound. Bodhi starts slow, but that's just to suck you in for the big finish. What is Tantra? We used to meditate to this stuff, as they played live. As spiritual sadhana goes, this one was really fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bdDbwSZNR0
[FairfieldLife] can anyone translate Spanish?
can anyone translate this Spanish for me? these are song lyrics from the the new i-pod commercial (love it!) Mi Swing Es Tropical by Nicodemus (i tried BabelFish, but results are crude) Se baila así, se goza más Se baila así, se goza más Ay que ritmo sabroso Ese ritmo yo lo gozo Si tú quieres guarachar Oye ponte a bailar El rumbon de puerto rico Es el que me gusta más Oye de aquí para allá Eee...de allá para acá Es que se puede vacilar Es que mi swing es tropical Y que se puede vacilar Es que mi swing es tropical Y que se puede vacilar Es que mi swing es tropical
[FairfieldLife] Re: can anyone translate Spanish?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can anyone translate this Spanish for me? these are song lyrics from the the new i-pod commercial (love it!) Mi Swing Es Tropical by Nicodemus (i tried BabelFish, but results are crude) Se baila así, se goza más Se baila así, se goza más If you dance like this, you'll enjoy it more Ay que ritmo sabroso Ay what a delicious rhythm Ese ritmo yo lo gozo That rhythm I dig it Si tú quieres guarachar If you want to get busy (sexual implication, like dirty dancing) Oye ponte a bailar Then put yourself to dance El rumbon de puerto rico The rumba (dance style) of Puerto Rico Es el que me gusta más It's the one I like the best Oye de aquí para allá Hey from here to there Eee...de allá para acá Eee... from there to everywhere Es que se puede vacilar Is how one sways Es que mi swing es tropical It's that my swing is tropical Y que se puede vacilar Es que mi swing es tropical Y que se puede vacilar Es que mi swing es tropical ** I'm not a native speaker, but this is pretty close to the meaning, altho a native speaker would say it better, fer sure
[FairfieldLife] nobody interested in GOOD news?
Shame on you.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is this what MMY thinks will soon be reported by world press? http://www.seethru.co.uk/goodle/goodle3.htm# On a more serious note - some of the developments reported in Global Family Chat are pretty encouraging. Things are beginning to happen, after decades of stagnation..
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I remember seeing a Canadian TV news report on Doug and Vedaland and the thing that struck me about the coverage was a clip of Doug sitting beneath a tree with some other TM investment/principal/sucker discussing the draft of the design of the letterhead to be used on Vedaland stationary and Doug saying: Maharishi is going to love this! To me, that said it all: no substance, all flash. Maharishi getting caught up in the minute details of something as insignificant and unimportant as how a letterhead or logo looks rather than the actual reality of the project itself. More fun in making the MIU catalog or building the model for the world's tallest building or creating gold- painted broshures of world governments than actually following through on the reality of the project. And then, of course, Maharishi's ADHD would kick in, he'd totally abandon the project of the moment and move on to the next, great, big thing. Very interesting point. It certainly does seem that MMY is much more interested by the idea than the actuality of the idea. I remember when Doug came to MIU and we had a big assembly in the dome where he presented the whole plan about vedaland. I was running a camera for MIU video and was talking through the intercom system with the other camera people and the director. We all were making fun of the idea (we all were long time TMer's) knowing that it never would be actualized. Just a pipe dream. One of the only times an idea rather than the actuality of the idea has ever paid off is the case of the Blackberry patent suit. As I understand it, some idea guy came up with the concept of the Blackberry years before its actual creation and had the good sense of patenting the idea. Indeed, the idea guy never soldered two wires together to even make one prototype...it was all just an idea. The Blackberry people, of course, were the ones that did all the heavy lifting. But because this guy held the patent for it, he was able to successfully sue them for about $600 million (I think the original judgment of around $75 million has ballooned to that through interest and subsequent appeals). But this, of course, is the exception... No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Very interesting point. It certainly does seem that MMY is much more interested by the idea than the actuality of the idea. I remember when Doug came to MIU and we had a big assembly in the dome where he presented the whole plan about vedaland. I was running a camera for MIU video and was talking through the intercom system with the other camera people and the director. We all were making fun of the idea (we all were long time TMer's) knowing that it never would be actualized. Just a pipe dream. snip I always imagined if, indeed, Vedaland ever did come into existance that all the rides, including the roller coasters, would be made of papier mache and would break down after about a week or the first heavey rain, whichever came first. I mean, come on: this is the organisation that couldn't ever organise itself out of a brown paper bag. I simply imagined Vedaland as a lawsuit waiting to happen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad health from India -- was/Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning How do you know he did? What does it mean to have one's soul saved? Would Doug's soul have been lost if he hadn't met MMY? don't know about his soul, but mmy ruined Doug's career - it was a great loss that the world didn't see doug do his incredible performances for so many years that he wasted on the movt and vedaland. doug's health certainly wasn't helped either. and his wife struggles with mental issues since his death. I don't see how tmers think doug's story is some great victory for MMY. Interesting point. I saw a letter several years ago, maybe it was posted here, written by someone who had been working on the Vedaland project, which suggested that very point that the project put tremendous pressure on those involved due to the half-assed way in which it was undertaken, and that that pressure took a great toll on Doug and others involved. Actually, I believe many TM'rs who spent a lot of time in India during the 80's and early 90's, such as Doug, Skip Alexander, Curly King, and others, became sick and cancerous due to eating a lot of Indian rice and veggies. It is well known that during (and after) that time, Indian farmers used A LOT of DDT DDT has been proven to be harmless, hummous-breath, even if you practically drink it straight. (and other pesticides) on their crops (Developed in US, banned in US and Europe, still used widely in 3rd world) That's the problem: DDT has NOT been used widely in the Third World. If it had been (i.e. if there had never been the evil Rachel Carson), millions of Africans would be alive today. , and it was before Maharishi was really emphasizing organic in his Ashrams. I believe a lot of the cancers came from extreme pesticide use in Indian agricultural practices - taught to them, and even virtually forced upon them, by Monsanto. Many of those deaths came just about the right amount of time after many TM'rs spent a lot of time with Maharishi at Maharishi Nagar and other places, for such carcinogenics from exessive pesticide use to take hold. Sad but true. As for the legacy of Doug Henning? Nice guy, inspired a lot of people, spirit still lives on. Vedaland is a flop, magicianship is a bit silly at the best of times. OffWorld .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember when Doug came to MIU and we had a big assembly in the dome where he presented the whole plan about vedaland. I remember that night. Packed dome. Very exciting night. One of the best nights and one of the best times to be on CCP and living on campus at MUM. It was 1987, I believe, although I was also there rounding in the summer of 88 and the summer of 89. We all were making fun of the idea (we all were long time TMer's) knowing that it never would be actualized. Just a pipe dream. Like I said, it was a very exciting night for many of the sidhas attending the event. We were still expecting all of MMY's grand plans would come to pass. I had none of the inside scoop that you and others had, and I was unaware any jadedness existed at all among anyone who would still be in the dome for any reason. Like the caption on the X-Files UFO poster said, I want to believe. I just had passed through that I want to believe stage a little bit earlier than you. Those were very good years at MIU and being on TSR. '82 to around '90. --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I remember seeing a Canadian TV news report on Doug and Vedaland and the thing that struck me about the coverage was a clip of Doug sitting beneath a tree with some other TM investment/principal/sucker discussing the draft of the design of the letterhead to be used on Vedaland stationary and Doug saying: Maharishi is going to love this! To me, that said it all: no substance, all flash. Maharishi getting caught up in the minute details of something as insignificant and unimportant as how a letterhead or logo looks rather than the actual reality of the project itself. More fun in making the MIU catalog or building the model for the world's tallest building or creating gold- painted broshures of world governments than actually following through on the reality of the project. And then, of course, Maharishi's ADHD would kick in, he'd totally abandon the project of the moment and move on to the next, great, big thing. Very interesting point. It certainly does seem that MMY is much more interested by the idea than the actuality of the idea. I remember when Doug came to MIU and we had a big assembly in the dome where he presented the whole plan about vedaland. I was running a camera for MIU video and was talking through the intercom system with the other camera people and the director. We all were making fun of the idea (we all were long time TMer's) knowing that it never would be actualized. Just a pipe dream. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] === message truncated === Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jimmy Bagnola (WAS Interesting story about Doug Henning)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vashtirama Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 11:07 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Jimmy Bagnola (WAS Interesting story about Doug Henning) Here's what Jimmy Bagnola's up to now: HYPERLINK http://www.jimbagnola.com/http://www.jimbagnola.com/ Guess he's in Austin now. That face! Just like I remember him. Takes me right back to Fairfield. Vashti I heard he's making a bundle with this gig. Like 10's of thousands per seminar. I've never heard of nor know the guy. But after seeing his website and knowing that he's from the TMO, I must ask: does he have a proven record of leadership? Because leadership and greatness is what he claims on his website to be able to help instill in others? Or are his skills and successes in leadership and greatness in giving seminars on leadership and greatness? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM
Re: [FairfieldLife] can anyone translate Spanish?
On Jun 16, 2007, at 3:41 PM, george_deforest wrote: can anyone translate this Spanish for me? English translation, from Google: It is danced thus, enjoys more it is danced thus, one enjoys more Ay that flavorful rate That rate I enjoy it If you want to guarachar Oye ponte to dance Rumbon of Puerto Rico Is the one that I like more It hears of here for there Eee… of for Is here there that it is possible to be vacillated It is that my swing is tropical And that can be vacillated It is that my swing is tropical and that can be vacillated It is that my swing is tropical Yiddish translation, from the Cosmic Translator: Oy, vey, why are you wasting your time with this?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jimmy Bagnola (WAS Interesting story about Doug Henning)
On Jun 16, 2007, at 11:26 AM, Rick Archer wrote: Here's what Jimmy Bagnola's up to now: http://www.jimbagnola.com/ Guess he's in Austin now. That face! Just like I remember him. Takes me right back to Fairfield. Vashti I heard he’s making a bundle with this gig. Like 10’s of thousands per seminar. Hard to imagine. Interesting though that nowhere on the website does he mention TM, not even under the stress-release section. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning
Peter, As I recall, the lovely Jeannie Jessup was one of the camera crew that night. Do mean to say that Jeannie was jaded? I can't imagine that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Very interesting point. It certainly does seem that MMY is much more interested by the idea than the actuality of the idea. I remember when Doug came to MIU and we had a big assembly in the dome where he presented the whole plan about vedaland. I was running a camera for MIU video and was talking through the intercom system with the other camera people and the director. We all were making fun of the idea (we all were long time TMer's) knowing that it never would be actualized. Just a pipe dream.
[FairfieldLife] How to read between the lines: Jim Bagnola's resume
I don't know Jim Bagnola and have never heard of him up until today. The only reason I visited his website is that it was mentioned, in passing, on the thread about Doug Henning. For all I know, Bagnola could be the nicest guy in the world. Whatever. What has irked me, however, is how he bills himself as an expert in the field of leadership and his claims to having the ability to awaken greatness in those who see fit to pay him money to do so. If someone is going to make all these claims, I suggest that he should have proven himself in leadership and greatness in some significant field PRIOR to going into the industry in which he gives seminars showing others how to have these skills. And, no, a significant field does NOT include the field of giving seminars on greatness and leadership. Contrary to MMY's analogy, it is NOT enough to open up a health food store if you are a sick man; I say you've got to be one hell of a healthy speciman who has lived and eaten a health food diet for years before you can open up a health food store if you're also going to tout its benefits. Track records talk; bullshit walks. And that's why I was curious to see what Bagnola's track record is and whether it is sufficient to back up his leadership and greatness claims. So I linked on to the About Jim link to get an idea of his track record. Of the 9 paragraphs on this link, only the middle three give us any idea of what he has actually done and accomplished (aside from giving seminars and lecturing on greatness which is what the other 6 paragraphs mainly talk about and, as I've indicated, doesn't count). I am reproducing the three middle paragraphs below and interspersing his text with my comments which I have put in bold to differentiate them from Bagnola's text. My comments are, I suggest, how to read between the lines if you were to ever consider hiring this guy: Born in Canton, Ohio, and now residing in Austin, Texas, Jim has traveled to more than 70 countries for both adventure HE WAS, FOR MANY YEARS, SCATTER-BRAINED WITHOUT A DIRECTION IN LIFE SO HE BUMMED AROUND THE THIRD WORLD FOR MANY YEARS WITHOUT A CENT TO HIS NAME... and work. ...HE EVENTUALLY HAD TO BEG FOR MONEY AND TAKE ODD MENIAL JOBS JUST TO MAKE ENDS MEET... He is an avid sports fan, ...HE SAT IN FRONT OF THE TV ALOT BECAUSE HE COULDN'T GET ANYONE TO HIRE HIM AND HIS FAVORITE PROGRAMS WERE FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL... health enthusiast, ...HE HAD SO MUCH TIME ON HIS HANDS THAT HE HUNG OUT AT BALLY'S... and lifelong reader. ...AFTER 6 HOURS IN FRONT OF THE TV EVERY DAY, HE RESTED HIS EYES BY READING. HE HAS READ THE LORD OF THE RINGS 17 TIMES... He was educated in political science ...A DO-NOTHING MAJOR UNLESS YOU BECOME A POLITICAL CONSULTANT, WHICH FEW PEOPLE DO (AND WHICH, APPARENTLY, BAGNOLA DID NOT DO OR ELSE HE WOULD HAVE TOLD US THAT)... and communications ...PLAYED WITH VIDEO CAMERAS AND SAW ALOT OF CLASSIC MOVIES. A REAL FUCK OFF MAJOR... at the University of Akron and has been a certified stress-management instructor since 1975. ...i.e., HE BECAME A TM TEACHER. 'NUFF SAID... He is also an executive coach to Fortune 500 company leaders. ...YAWN. ONE OF THE PERKS OF BEING AN EXECUTIVE AT A BIG FORTUNE 500 COMPANY IS THAT, FOR RECREATION MORE THAN ANYTHING, THEY SEND YOU OFF TO SEMINARS FOR THE DAY OR, IF YOU'RE LUCKY, FOR A WEEK AT SOME POSH RESORT. IT'S JUST A CONVENIENT WAY TO GIVE YOUR EMPLOYEES A WELL- DESERVED DAY OFF OR A VACATION AND ARE ABLE TO WRITE IT OFF AT THE SAME TIME BY LABELLING THE EXPENSE AS RETRAINING OR EDUCATION. THE NEWEST VERSION OF THESE SEMINARS IS TO HAVE A COACH WHICH APPARENTLY BAGNOLA DOES WITH THESE FORTUNE 500 COMPANIES. BUT REALLY, THIS IS THE EQUIVALENT OF TAKING ART APPRECIATION 101 OR CINEMA OF THE 1950s IN COLLEGE AS AN ELECTIVE BECAUSE IT'S REQUIRED TO GET THE NECESSARY CREDITS TO GRADUATE. THAT IS, COURSES IN WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXERCISE YOUR BRAIN MUCH BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT BECAUSE THE RULES REQUIRE IT. AND, HEY, IF YOU CAN BE AMUSED AT THE SAME TIME. ALL THE BETTER. THINK OF BAGNOLA AS A GLORIFIED COURT JESTER...SOMEONE WHO TAKES AWAY THE MONOTONY OF A STRESS-FILLED EXECUTIVE POSITION... He has had varied professions throughout his life: He owned his own business, ...YEAH? AND WHAT, PRAY TELL, WAS THIS BUSINESS EXACTLY? I'LL BET YOU A DOLLAR TO A DONUT THAT IF IT WAS A BUSINESS THAT HAD EVEN THE REMOTEST SEMBLANCE OF EITHER SUCCESS OR LEADERSHIP, HE WOULDN'T BE SO VAGUE AS TO SAY HE OWNED HIS OWN BUSINESS, HE'D TELL US EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS, WHAT IT'S SALES WERE AND WHETHER HE ACTUALLY SUCCEEDED AT IT. CHANCES ARE, IT WENT OUT OF BUSINESS IN 6 MONTHS WHICH IS THE RATE OF FAILURE FOR 95% OF BUSINESSSES IN THE US... held corporate VP positions, ...THERE IS NO BETTER INDICATION OF MEDIOCRITY ON A RESUME THAN TO SAY YOU HELD CORPORATE VP POSITIONS. 95% OF ALL CORPORATIONS ARE SMALL,
[FairfieldLife] Re: can anyone translate Spanish?
can anyone translate this Spanish for me? these are song lyrics from the the new i-pod commercial (love it!) Mi Swing Es Tropical by Nicodemus (i tried BabelFish, but results are crude) Se baila así, se goza más Se baila así, se goza más Ay que ritmo sabroso Ese ritmo yo lo gozo Si tú quieres guarachar Oye ponte a bailar El rumbon de puerto rico Es el que me gusta más Oye de aquí para allá Eee...de allá para acá Es que se puede vacilar Es que mi swing es tropical Y que se puede vacilar Es que mi swing es tropical Y que se puede vacilar Es que mi swing es tropical Sal Sunshine wrote: English translation, from Google: It is danced thus, enjoys more it is danced thus, one enjoys more Ay that flavorful rate That rate I enjoy it If you want to guarachar Oye ponte to dance Rumbon of Puerto Rico Is the one that I like more It hears of here for there Eee of for Is here there that it is possible to be vacillated It is that my swing is tropical And that can be vacillated It is that my swing is tropical and that can be vacillated It is that my swing is tropical i need to hear from a native spanish-speaker; google is just as garbled as babel-fish. Yiddish translation, from the Cosmic Translator: Oy, vey, why are you wasting your time with this? well, i like the i-pod ad, its fun at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JvQWkbgWeVc and, believe it or not, i want to learn the words for karaoke (blush) to impress my nephew, and i wanna know what im saying!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: can anyone translate Spanish?
On Jun 16, 2007, at 6:05 PM, george_deforest wrote: Sal Sunshine wrote: English translation, from Google: It is danced thus, enjoys more it is danced thus, one enjoys more Ay that flavorful rate That rate I enjoy it If you want to guarachar Oye ponte to dance Rumbon of Puerto Rico Is the one that I like more It hears of here for there Eee… of for Is here there that it is possible to be vacillated It is that my swing is tropical And that can be vacillated It is that my swing is tropical and that can be vacillated It is that my swing is tropical i need to hear from a native spanish-speaker; google is just as garbled as babel-fish. Yiddish translation, from the Cosmic Translator: Oy, vey, why are you wasting your time with this? well, i like the i-pod ad, its fun at: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JvQWkbgWeVc and, believe it or not, i want to learn the words for karaoke (blush) to impress my nephew, and i wanna know what im saying! Just tell him that your swing is tropical, and that it can be vacillated--should impress the daylights out of him. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Animations simplify Quantum Physics
See Dr Quantum - Double Slit Experiment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc And, Dr Quantum - Flatland : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWyTxCsIXE4mode=relatedsearch=
RE: [FairfieldLife] Bad health from India -- was/Interesting story about Doug Henning
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bad health from India -- was/Interesting story about Doug Henning Many of those deaths came just about the right amount of time after many TM'rs spent a lot of time with Maharishi at Maharishi Nagar and other places, for such carcinogenics from exessive pesticide use to take hold. Sad but true. I’ve wondered the same thing. if true though, a lot of Indians would be getting these cancers too. Are they? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM
[FairfieldLife] Warmongers Dumbass War
Warmongers Dumbass War http://tinyurl.com/yvn55h http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070616/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bad health from India -- was/Interesting story about Doug Henning
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of off_world_beings Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 2:36 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bad health from India -- was/Interesting story about Doug Henning Many of those deaths came just about the right amount of time after many TM'rs spent a lot of time with Maharishi at Maharishi Nagar and other places, for such carcinogenics from exessive pesticide use to take hold. Sad but true. I've wondered the same thing. if true though, a lot of Indians would be getting these cancers too. Are they? Recent reports by an NGO reveal that cotton farmers in Punjab state have high levels of pesticide residue in their blood. Incidences of cancer have soared; farmers are dying of pesticide poisoning. http://tinyurl.com/2595ja And to avoid wasting a post on Shempgurk's uncorroborated spiel, get some research references then come back Shemp. Stop quoting Rush Limbaugh . OffWorld
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bad health from India -- was/Interesting story about Doug Henning
off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 7:17 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Interesting story about Doug Henning How do you know he did? What does it mean to have one's soul saved? Would Doug's soul have been lost if he hadn't met MMY? don't know about his soul, but mmy ruined Doug's career - it was a great loss that the world didn't see doug do his incredible performances for so many years that he wasted on the movt and vedaland. doug's health certainly wasn't helped either. and his wife struggles with mental issues since his death. I don't see how tmers think doug's story is some great victory for MMY. Interesting point. I saw a letter several years ago, maybe it was posted here, written by someone who had been working on the Vedaland project, which suggested that very point – that the project put tremendous pressure on those involved due to the half-assed way in which it was undertaken, and that that pressure took a great toll on Doug and others involved. Actually, I believe many TM'rs who spent a lot of time in India during the 80's and early 90's, such as Doug, Skip Alexander, Curly King, and others, became sick and cancerous due to eating a lot of Indian rice and veggies. It is well known that during (and after) that time, Indian farmers used A LOT of DDT (and other pesticides) on their crops (Developed in US, banned in US and Europe, still used widely in 3rd world), and it was before Maharishi was really emphasizing organic in his Ashrams. I believe a lot of the cancers came from extreme pesticide use in Indian agricultural practices - taught to them, and even virtually forced upon them, by Monsanto. Many of those deaths came just about the right amount of time after many TM'rs spent a lot of time with Maharishi at Maharishi Nagar and other places, for such carcinogenics from exessive pesticide use to take hold. Sad but true. As for the legacy of Doug Henning? Nice guy, inspired a lot of people, spirit still lives on. Vedaland is a flop, magicianship is a bit silly at the best of times. OffWorld I think more likely they had vata imbalances (can cause cancer) and even were told so yet liked the vata high too much to change their diet to correct the imbalance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: nobody interested in GOOD news?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame on you.. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: is this what MMY thinks will soon be reported by world press? http://www.seethru.co.uk/goodle/goodle3.htm# On a more serious note - some of the developments reported in Global Family Chat are pretty encouraging. Things are beginning to happen, after decades of stagnation.. Why couldn't you just tell us the good news instead of making me waste a post on asking you what the good news is. Thanks OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Tantra class with Vaj
Beginners Tantra class with Vaj: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Xy4AwQgWX78 OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: VEDA LAND just as the South has it is rising Veda Land is rising
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. True its been longer with disappointments but its NOT DEAD abandoned but is rising. You mean in the same way that a monkey at a typewriter will evenutally type the complete works of Shakespere? lurk ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jimmy Bagnola (WAS Interesting story about Doug Henning)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Or are his skills and successes in leadership and greatness in giving seminars on leadership and greatness? There's always two choices. Dazzle them, or baffle them... lurk No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.9.0/851 - Release Date: 6/16/2007 12:50 PM
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[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
Vaj, Namaste, you rascal. After your post about sourcing errors, I finally realized how you play your role here in the forum. I know my profound insight is true `cause the symptoms of my of my realization are on G-Spot's kundalini list. Vaj, you are indeed a contrarian dissenting from the party line but you are also a bomb thrower a type of Buddhist Newt Gingrich in this FFL congress of democrats. I may find you amusing, but some of the others find you highly exaggerated. Vajra Naught: I'm not getting that at all e-Bill. My take on where Swami G is coming from is that she's followed the practices of the tradition to their completion. Empty: The fact that G was invested as a Swami says nothing about what she practiced. It says even less about some kind of completion finalized as the result of following a particular path. Swami-hood is a title of renunciation and that is all. It is like someone becoming a Buddhist monk. It doesn't tell you anything about what practices they shall do, actually now do, or will do. Other than that, swami-hood is a way to garner some respect in India and now even in American too. Consider the title of Lama. Lama doesn't mean someone is a Khempo or Geshe, (much less a twenty-year cave dwelling yogin or a tulku either). However at least we would expect a Lama to have the customary three year and three month retreat. How else would they seize the clear appearance of a Yidam and become identified with it enough to enact the four karmas on behalf of self and others. In contrast, swami-hood does not include any specific practices like kyerim/dzogrim from common transmission lineages that anyone would recognize or know. Swami-s might engage in any or all kinds of path practices. So if she had a tantric guru then those Tantric rites should be her practices. Investiture is completely different, it's just formalized sannyasa. Vajra Naught: Some of her students are ex-TMers who claim to come from her tradition. There are problems with some people having very negative reactions to TM/TMSP (from suicide to kundalini disorders) and so she's trying to help from the POV of someone who's tread the path to it's logical conclusion: realization. Empty: If that were the whole story then I'd be for it too. However her specific claims are many: 1. She is a swami, MMY is only a Brahmachari secretary who wouldn't take sannyasa. Empty: This is her investiture claim. Monastics don't think this way. They look to see the types and qualities of practice that someone does. 1. MMY gives out mere bija mantras just a part of real mantras. Empty: Come on Vaj, not even you could believe this one. So you would have distain for A-khrid because it is not polysyllabic enough and is too simple? 1. She possesses the secret signs and language of her akhaad to distinguish real sadhu-s from fake. She's the real thing. Empty: Secret signs and speech mean nothing about someone's spiritual status. Trappist monks observe silence in their daily routines. However their monasteries are well known for having the fastest gossip network of any Cistercian order. Silence of the mouth actually assists the disgorging of the mind. Swami G-spot's so-called secrets are fluff for naïve and innocent westerners. Vajra Naught: So I don't see it as an investiture that gives her status, but the POV of someone who's tread the full path of the Shankaracharya tradition. Empty: And what is this full path of the Shankaracharya tradition? Is Kundalini yoga Shankara's path? No, even though she claims to follow it. Rather it is realization of Brahman, the vast expanse - the transcendent dimension which is the already-present ground of all experience and literally unattainable because it is immediately at hand. Is Shaktipat diksha Shankara's path? No, even though she claims to exercise it. Rather it is the contemplation of the self-revealing shrutis or maha-vakyas, which are the very calling out of Brahman in the midst of human consciousness. Is Patanjali's ashtanga yoga Shankara's path? No, even though she claims to have completed it. Yoga is for purification and clarity. Brahman is already immediate to us through its own self-shining - just as in the self-presentation of things to us, like a clock on the table in front of us or like our own self'-presentation to ourselves while sitting here now in front of the monitor. Vajra Naught: If this is true of course, we should all be delighted that a westerner has had such experience and is willing to help. Empty: I wish it were true. I'd kiss her feet and rub her hand and say: Ma, please save me from myself. Then I wouldn't need Obewan. empty --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 13, 2007, at 10:52 PM, emptybill wrote: Fact is, folks here are householders and therefore are not very knowledgeable about how both men and women monastics view
[FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
Or, to paraphrase Senator Lloyd Bentsen's reply to Dan Quayle during the 1988 Vice Presidential debate: You're no Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Swami G.:-) Maharihsi is a world class business man among other things, that is not an insult regarding his business capabilities- it is phenominal. There is a Shankaracharia in Yoganandas Autobigraphy that is a better mathmatician than Maharishi and 10 enlightened beings all gathered together at the same time, these are transcient qualities- that one essence is all that is the same, all else is quite different. What are the transcient qualities that the enlightened must have in order to meet your definition for being enlightened? Do they have to be psychic? know what someone is thinking? Perform sidhis? If so , which ones? know alot of shit about a lot of things? not sleep or only sleep 2 hours a day? be rich and famous? have a certain amount of followers? security gaurds? have a world wide organiazation with real estate in every country? wear certain clothes?must be indian? must be male? must be vegitarian and not eat meat? healers? know jyotish? certain personality?only speak love and peace and never so called negativity? never critisize a politician or another Guru? Are there greater enlightened one's than others depending on how many of these transcient qualities they possess? Weather you have conjured up your ideas about what the enlightened are supposed to be by reading about it, gathering an idea about how they by watching videos of them, watching them on stage, however- it is very likely that when higher states of consciousness develop, you are going to find that it is not what you thought it was. Actually, if you are going to continue gathering up ideas based on reading about it, here is some more ideas and I think good ones- Swami G says it is not an exalted state at all, but rather it is very normal. These Guru's putting on the big show, giving out the ego candy- only seen on stage- this is marketing and it looks like maybe even some enlightened gurus are doing this. Swami G doesn't play out to your ideas of what the enlightened are supposed to be like and this is why it is very small organization. You are looking for the hollywood Guru, and there are plenty to come along and be willing to take your funds and then give you the show you like. Watch some of the Bhagwan Kalki videos, this is close to the display of MMY, in my opinion- and he also has a huge organization. Here is the latest from LA from Swami G meeting with Nityananda, then followed by that is another post the other day which she is explaining the path and commitments: Namaste - here is the latest news from LA. Once we got past the stage of him thinking i was there for some blessing as many sadhu's and seekers come to be blessed. hahahahahahah The cameras were turned off and the Sadhaka's ushered out of the room, except for one who ran for tea etc. and we sat down Guru to Guru. We had a very good heart to heart talk - he invited me to openly attend the programs given there so i can see exactly what is being given as far as practices and instruction within thier organization. He can understand fully my work in cleaning up other Guru's mistakes and he honors this undertaking. We spoke of the mistaken notions of seekers - that they only have to extract mantras and then they can do it all on their own - He also stated what i have always stressed the power is not within the mantras but within the Guru who keeps them charged. There needs to be an ongoing connection to the Guru to keep these fully charged and working in the Sadhaka. i spoke with him about my concern in one practice he gives - he said he balances it with witness state - my councel was but most do not understand How to get to witness state right away and so this practice may cause some potential problems. i shared with him and explained the balanced breath shanti mind practice and the Dissolving the divisions and he could see where these would be of benefit within the Kundalini journey. These are new practices which the Universe has brought to Light and are needed for this time and era in dealing with unbalanced Kundalini awakenings. He was extremely respectful and we spoke of his programs in india one progam is for sannyasis --- one year they are given training --- food --- and a place to stay then one must pass the test of the fires then and only then will sannyas be given. They start out in the Brahmachari program and then may proceed to Sannyas. Sanscrit and vedic studies are given. They feed thousands every day free of charge. and hold Bandaras for Sadhus. This is giving food - blanket - some funds for the Sadhu's journey. We spoke of the need to clean up and give substance to keep the tradition going forward. As there are so many fraudulent bogus sadhus who take to drugs - taking chai and talking nothing but BS. These are a blight on the name of the tradition. i have
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: VEDA LAND it is rising Veda
Not as Monkeys but as a theme park. 10 yrs., or less. As stated before as the South has risen but than the southern states rose. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[FairfieldLife] 'June Monsoon causes floods, chaos in Britain'
From The Times
June 16, 2007
Nowhere to go and no way to get there as the June monsoon causes chaos
Joanna Bale
Torrential rain caused severe flooding across many parts of Britain
yesterday. Thousands of people were affected as homes, workplaces and schools
were evacuated.
Trains were cancelled and motorists were stranded when railway lines and
roads were submerged, causing rush-hour chaos.
The worst-affected areas were the Midlands, Yorkshire and Northern Ireland.
The Environment Agency issued 42 flood warnings, including three severe ones
the most serious category, which indicates extreme danger to life and property
for Lincolnshire and Yorkshire.
The Met Office said that the wet weather would continue into the beginning of
next week, with some very heavy and thundery outbreaks likely again today.
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} A teenage soldier was feared drowned after he tried to cross a
swollen river during a training exercise and more than 100 people were trapped
in a factory when a river burst its banks.
A search was launched after the soldier, 17, was washed away after being hit
by a surge of water as he waded across Risedale Beck on Hipswell Moor, North
Yorkshire, with two other recruits.
The three had their arms linked but the force of the water knocked them off
their feet near Catterick Garrison. Two were rescued, but the third was still
missing last night. Police, a fell rescue team and an RAF helicopter were
called in.
Staff at the WH Smith and Sons toolmakers in Minworth, near Sutton Coldfield,
Warwickshire, were penned in by 6ft of water after the River Tame burst its
banks.
Fire crews managed to rescue some of the employees but 42 remained huddled
upstairs in the restaurant for much of the day. Jean Owen, one of the trapped
workers, said: The flood started at about 8am and Id already been in work for
30 minutes. It was scary stuff lots of us were forced to flee upstairs
because there was about six feet of water ringing the factory. Water started to
come in from everywhere. Ive never seen anything like it. It was like a
disaster movie.
Emergency crews throughout the Midlands and Yorkshire were stretched to the
limit throughout much of Thursday night and yesterday.
Rail commuters were also brought to a standstill. Rail services in Yorkshire
and the Midlands were particularly affected, with the Birmingham to Euston
service subject to delays.
Thousands of schoolchildren were sent home after their buildings flooded,
including children at Langley Secondary school in Solihull and several schools
in Sheffield.
North Yorkshire Police said that two people were pulled out uninjured from a
car that was almost completely covered by a landslip on the A59. Police later
closed the A1 southbound and one lane northbound, near Catterick, due to severe
flooding.
Craig Stenton, 41, described how he waded into a swollen stream in Sheffield
and grabbed a teenager who had fallen in. The 14-year-old boy had fallen into a
swollen beck in the Chapeltown area of Sheffield, at midday.
He said: I could see a kid swirling around in the water. I grabbed a clothes
prop to try and hook him out but it was no use. I ran further along and saw he
had got stuck on a branch. I waded in and dragged him out. He had hit his head
on a bridge and had taken in a lot of dirty water but he was OK.
We sat him down in a garden, wrapped him in blankets and waited for the
ambulance to come. I think he was OK, but he has been taken to hospital for a
check-up.
One of the areas most heavily affected was Edgbaston, Birmingham, where more
than 3.4in (86mm) of rain fell in 24 hours. The average for the entire month is
usually 60mm.
Firefighters in the city had to pump water out of 200 homes after the River
Tame burst its banks. West Midlands fire service said water levels reached five
feet in the Brookvale area of Aston, West Midlands.
Bingley, near Bradford, was deluged with 2.8in of rain in 24 hours. Coleshill
in Warwickshire also suffered 1.9in of rain in the same space of time.
In South Yorkshire, two teenagers were taken to hospital with suspected
hypothermia after being swept down a dyke near Barnsley.
Police said that the youths were swept hundreds of yards by the water, before
coming to rest on a piece of raised ground, where they were rescued by
firefighters.
Flooding in the East Riding of Yorkshire forced police out of their Hull
headquarters. A spokesman for Humberside Police said that a two square mile
area of Hessle, west of Hull, was worst affected.
Helicopter crews helping with the various rescue operations said that weather
conditions had hampered
[FairfieldLife] 'Eco-Village in Iowa is Self-Sustaining...'
June 15, 2007 Dozens of Iowa city leaders will converge on Des Moines today to find out how Des Moines saved $150,000 by switching to new stoplights, and how people in an eco-village in Fairfield grow their own food year-round. Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie will preside over a two-day Energy Futures Conference, something of a prelude to a 10-city eco-efficiency tour planned by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory. Cownie said he expects the event to be attended by representatives of between 25 and 100 Iowa cities. The officials will work on plans for a sustainability curriculum for students in kindergarten through 12th grade and plans for things cities, businessess and homeowners can do to save energy. We want to look at how we can change so city governments can lead by example, Cownie said Thursday. For example, Des Moines saved $150,000 by switching to more energy-efficient stoplights, and also converted to hybrid cars for some of its fleet. The parks department installed native grasses in many parks, saving on mowing expenses and using the grasses to help cut runoff pollution. The city also wants to join with residents, Trees Forever and neighborhood groups to plant 100,000 trees, which help sweep heat-trapping carbon from the atmosphere. Cownie spoke to 300 mayors and civic leaders in Washington, D.C., last week, urging them to take on the global warming issue locally. Mayors can take the lead in providing energy security for the nation, because, in the end, homeland security is really hometown security, he said. Lonnie Gamble, a professor in the Maharishi University of Management's Sustainable Living program, will attend the Des Moines event to talk about efforts he has made to power his house with solar panels and wind. He'll also discuss how producing energy with wind turbines helps local economies. Gamble has appliances, high-speed Internet and other technology that operate on energy supplied by alternative sources, rather than by coal or nuclear power, Iowa's top power sources. Gamble hasn't paid an electric bill in 15 years - his house isn't connected to electric lines. He catches rainwater off his roof to store for future use and pays $50 a year for gas to heat his 500-square-foot house. He grows food year-round in a greenhouse. We have regular washing machines and dishwashers, and all of it runs on solar panels and wind power, he said. I'm coming over there to tell people it's possible. Gamble has helped create Abundance Ecovillage, a five- house subdivision in Fairfield where houses are powered by solar and wind on site, rain water is the only water used, cold air is pumped up from underground tunnels to cool houses, and residents plant edible landscaping and eat from their gardens every day. It's not like we suffer. Our showers are just as hot, and our beers are just as cold, Gamble said. Reporter Perry Beeman can be reached at (515) 284-8538 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visiting leaders to hear how D.M. saves energy varUsername = [EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED];document.write(BY PERRY BEEMAN AND MELISSA WALKER); BY PERRY BEEMAN AND MELISSA WALKER REGISTER STAFF WRITERS - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us.
[FairfieldLife] Re: How Judy deals with life
In fact, as should have been obvious to both Willytex and Peter, the first paragraph Willytex quotes below and attributes to me (as well as everything else Willytex quoted) was actually Barry's. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, would you consider banning people from FFL who continue to denigrate others, perpetuate these mindless personal arguments and just waste everybody's time with these very personal posts. Individually, when these posters stay on task, they can have some pretty interesting posts, but this continual childish bickering is absurd. Ban them for a month. Maybe that will straighten them out ala Paris Hilton --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judy wrote: I look forward to using the term bigot in future posts here when referring to you, secure in the knowledge that you (a profes- sional editor, after all) have declared that the use of this term is not critical. Barry wrote: Or perhaps, in light of the unprovoked attack you *started* this short week (for you, at least...you only have one post left) with, I should refer to you as the pigot. :-) So, it is all about Judy. I'm making this post while you've still got one post left, in case you want to get the inevitable response out of your system before you take another long weekend. That way you won't have to carry your anger around with you all weekend like you obviously did *last* weekend. Within two hours of your arrival back on FFF, you had made one post calling Vaj a liar, and another slamming me by bringing up a three-year-old grudge that you're obviously still fuming over. I'm pointing it out because sooner or later you're going to trot out the line that you resort to ad hominem here because you've been attacked. You *weren't* attacked. *You* attacked. And you didn't have to. And you don't have to next week, either. During the time you're sittin' in the penalty box this weekend (whether you're really away for a long weekend or just pretending to be to cover the fact that you blew out of FFL so quickly the last few weeks), I'm not going to make even one post critical of you. I'll try my best not to make even one post critical of anyone else here, or of TM and Maharishi (although you know the latter is tough because they provide so many *openings* for critical remarks). So when you come back next Saturday, or Sunday, or Monday, or whenever you come back, there will have been no posts from me attacking you. If you make a post attacking *me* -- personally, I mean, not my ideas -- then it will be clear to everyone on this forum who started it. I have *no problem* with you taking to task any of the *ideas* may present in any of my posts. Go to town. Rip them a new asshole...Googlebomb them back to the Stone Age. That's kosher. But the moment you segue from taking on the ideas to taking on *me* -- making personal ad hominem attacks against me -- then you have pretty much established *yourself* as the attacker in this scenario. This is Yet Another Opportunity to clean up *your* act, Judy. Curtis has urged you to stick to counter- ing or criticizing the *ideas*, not the person. So have a great number of other posters here. And yet you continue to attack *the person*. Everyone here knows the difference between attack- ing someone's ideas and attacking the person. So if you resort to the latter next week, you have blown your victim act forever. But this post *can* be legitimately perceived as an attack, so you have a free ride when responding to it. Go to town...and feel free to use ad hominem all you want. But if you do it next week, don't ever try to cry, Victim again, eh pigot? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ __ Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/norton/index.php
