Re: [FairfieldLife] Where are you getting your B-12 from as a vegetarian?
lentils (dhal) 2009/2/24 off_world_beings no_re...@yahoogroups.com Where are you getting your B-12 from as a vegetarian? Anybody know? OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] 'Comet's heart may have struck Earth'
Chunks from fireball could have hit ground and are waiting to be picked up
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[FairfieldLife] Killing time: some quasi-Chomskian operations? (quick draft version, part 3)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_re...@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote:
YS III 2 - 3
tatra pratyayaikataanataa dhyaanam (tatra pratyaya + eka-taanataa...)
tadevaarthamaatranirbhaasaM svaruupasuunyamiva samaadhiH
(tat; eva + artha-maatra-nirbhaasam; sva-ruupa-shuunyam iva
samaadhiH)
Now, what is the antecedent of the pronoun 'tat'? Most likely,
it is 'dhyaanam' in suutra numba 2. Thus we could perhaps
rephrase numba 3 like this:
dhyaanam eva artha-maatra-nirbhaasam...
Now, what kind of compound is 'artha-maatra-nirbhaasam'?
We guess it could be at least a tatpuruSa or a bahuvriihi.
In principle, 'nirbhaasam' could be at least the nominative singular
of a neuter word, *or* the accusative (objective) singular
of either a neuter word or a masculine word (cf. devaH,
acc: devam). Because there's no transitive (parasmaipada)
verb form in the sentence, 'nirbhaasam' most likely must
be a neuter gender nominative form. But what the fvkc? According
to CDSL (Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon), the word
'nirbhaasa' (Harvard-Kyoto: nirbhAsa) is a masculine (m.) word:
Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon: Search Results
1 nirbhAsa m. appearance Sarvad. (ifc. f. %{A} = %{nibha} , similar ,
like Ka1ran2d2. , printed %{-bhASa}).
How on earth can we explain that?? The only explanation seems
to be that in that suutra the compound 'artha-maatra-nirbhaasam'
is a bahuvriihi, and thus an adjective that in a way modifies
the word 'dhyaanam'.
Now. lets compare suutras I 43 and III 3:
I 43 smRtiparishuddhau svaruupashuunevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa
nirvitarkaa.
III 3 tadevaarthamaatranirbhaasaM svaruuupashuunyamiva samaadhiH.
Let's isolate the immediate constituents that look rather synonymous:
- svaruupashuunyevaarthamaatranirbhaasaa
(sva-ruupa-shuunyaa[?] + iva + artha-maatra-nirbhaasaa)
- arthamaatranirbhaasaM svaruupashuunyamiva
(artha-maatra-nirbhaasam; sva-ruupa-shuunyam iva)
Hopefully we can notice, that the only essential difference
between those two noun phrases seems to be the word order
and the implied headword, which in the first case is of
feminine gender, indicated by the long a-sound at the end
of adjectives 'shuunyaa' and 'nirbhaasaa' (which is here
an adjective because it is a part of a bahuvriihi compound.)
So, the neuter gender forms 'shuunyam' and 'nirbhaasam' seem
to have as their implied headword 'dhyaanam' in the previous
suutra. But what is the headword of 'shuunyaa' and 'nirbhaasaa'?
It can't be 'samaadhiH' although the suutra appears in the
first book called 'samaadhi-paada', because the word samaadhi
is a masculine gender word:
vitarka-vicaaraanandaasmitaanugamaat *saMprajnaataH* (samaadhiH,
that is, NOT *samprajñaataa* samaadhiH).
Well, the headword actually is 'samaapattiH' in I 41:
kSiiNa-vRtter abhijaatasyeva maNer grahiitR-grahaNa-graahyeSu
tatstha-tadañjanataa samaapattiH.
samApatti f. coming together , meeting , encountering Ka1lid. ;
accident , chance (see comp.) ; falling into any state or condition ,
getting , *** becoming (comp.) Yogas.*** ; assuming an original form ,
APra1t. ; completion , conclusion A1past. (v.l. %{sam-Apti})
For TM-siddhas samaapatti is rather important in that it appears
in the YF suutra, in the ablative/genitive singular form 'samaapatteH'
(through sandhi: samaapattesh).
kaayaakaashayoH sambandha-saMyamaal laghu-tuula-samaapattesh
caakaasha-gamanam
laghu-tuula-samaapattiH: light-cotton-becoming...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation and Drug-use Pollicy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony...@... wrote: Nay, nay, nay, no. Boo you mock me. I am a de-caf man. By experience I recognized the ill effect of strong caffine on meditation a long time ago and thus cast strong caffine off since then. Fourth.Are Meditators clear of importing, vending, distilling, and the unnecessary use of all intoxicants? And do they observe moderation and temperance on all occasions? However as an aid to meditation; about fatigue, dullness or chronic sleeping during meditation practice Maharishi said: You've slept enough! Take some stimulants like coffee or tea if you can't stay awake during meditation. Of course this would be in moderation that he was speaking. This would be quite so different from the anti-spiritual effects which pot-use so evidently has on meditation. Doug, you've lost it heavily over this. In my opinion, given all of the law-breaking and ripoffs and charlatanism and tyranny in just the TM organization and its followers that has been talked about on this forum, anything that has an effect on meditation COULDN'T POSSIBLY DO WORSE THAN TM. You keep touting spirituality as if it were a good thing. Well, post a few examples from the history of the TMO to show how good a thing it is. Was Levi Butler's murder a good thing? Was the recently-discussed example of the TM doctor ripping off Medicare a good thing, and spiritual? YOUR spiritual tradition is a joke, Doug. TM has produced a 40-year history of abuse, corruption, the breaking of laws and the breaking of hearts. And you think that this spirituality can be harmed by a little weed? Grow the fuck up. If what TM and the TM organization has produced and exemplified over the years is spirituality, if marijuana is anti-spiritual I say that it should be distributed for free.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
My rant towards Edg was based on his extreme victim mentality. I'm not denying, minimizing or dismissing the behavior of the TMO. I certainly know exactly what he is talking about. But to present this badge begging scenario as if he was so wronged and humiliated places all power with the TMO and none with him. If someone is abusing you, until you decide to change your behavior in relationship to them, they will continue to abuse you. Sal, I respect your posts a lot, so please let me know why you think my and other's post pointing out Edg's victim mentality are heavy handed. I thought my slave analogy expressed the interpersonal dynamic quite well. --- On Tue, 2/24/09, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com wrote: From: Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@lisco.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright) To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 12:02 AM On Feb 23, 2009, at 10:54 PM, lurkernomore20002000 wrote: Edg, for the life of me, I can't figure out why everyone is busting your chops on this. I can relate to this story at face value. Makes sense to me. Who wants to be humiliated, or shamed, even in a small way. But no, there's got to be slave issues, or whiner issues. Let me throw this arm chair psychology back on them. You've got Peter, Feste, and Richard coming after you. How many kids do they have between them. Could it be.0. How many kids do WE have between us. Like 7. These other guys don't have the foggiest about what it's like to take on the responsibilites of something like this. Let's see how they fare in this regard. Probably be weeping like little school girls. Ya, we know what a real man is. Hell yea we do! Right on, lurk...I thought the slave stuff was a bit much myself. The TMO was good at humiliating people...Edg's response was IMOtotally warranted. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
OK, Doug, I officially apologize for the personal nature of my two rants this morning. For all I know, given some of your other posts to this forum, you might be pulling our legs with these anti-marijuana rants, and doing satire in an attempt to push people's buttons. If so, you succeeded in pushing mine. I just don't tolerate rank ignorance and belief in dogma over fact well, and if what you've been trying to do is parody those things, you did it very well. But just the very IDEA of condemning the use of marijuana as being anti spiritual pushes my buttons. If there is anything on this planet that one should be anti, and that needs to be control- led by law or banned as dangerous, it's spirituality. Just *look* at the wars fought and the genocides perpetrated in the name of spirituality. Spiritual people strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in public places. Spiritual people burn others at the stake for not believing the same fairy tales that they believe. Spiritual people extort money from their followers by telling them that the world will blow itself up if they don't pay up. Spiritual people not only tolerate all of the excesses that you yourself have brought to our attention in Fairfield, they glorify them. If what you had in mind was satire, you pulled it off well. You got me up on my high horse. Congratulations. But if you're actually serious, I think you owe it to yourself to actually do some looking into these issues you seem so certain about while knowing none of the facts or scientific evidence surrounding them. And if you're actually serious, I think you might spend a little more time reading the parts of spirit- ual books that deal with tolerance than the parts that deal with following laws as if they were by definition good laws. The bottom line of all this is that dopers never started a war or created the Inquisition or murdered other people in the name of Christ or Krishna, and yer spiritual types did. The world DOES NOT NEED any more spirituality. Spirituality has brought it to the sorry state it's in today. There is no need for more saints or holy people, at least not the ones that most people could consider saints or holy. Give me the Church Of Willie Nelson any day over *ANY* of the world's other spiritual organizations. Mamas don't let your babies grow up to be spiritual...
[FairfieldLife] Is CO'B slightly anti-semitic??
He mostly pokes fun at (some of??) the Jewish members of Max Weinberg Seven, namely Max Himself, and LaBamba...
[FairfieldLife] India Moves To Protect Its Heritage From Greedy Gurus
From Guruphiliac India Moves To Protect Its Heritage From Greedy Gurus File under; The Siddhi of PR Mother India is out to save Her spiritual heritage from greedy, patent-trolling gurus [Ed.note: Remember Bling-Bling Bikram?] who try to turn yoga culture into their own, personal cash cows: Instances of self-styled yoga gurus claiming copyrights to ancient ‘asanas', especially from the West, is now becoming rampant. This has made 200 scientists and researchers from the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR) and Union health ministry's department of Ayush join hands to put on record all known yoga postures and techniques that originated in India. Scientists are presently scanning through 35 ancient Sanskrit texts, including the Mahabharata, Bhagawad Gita and the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali to identify and document all known yoga concepts, postures and terminology. Till now, 600 ‘asanas' (physical postures) have already been documented. The team plans to put on record at least 1,500 such yoga postures by the end of 2009. That is a yoga guide we'd love to see.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are you getting your B-12 from as a vegetarian?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: lentils (dhal) Only if the lentils are contaminated with animal feces.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are you getting your B-12 from as a vegetarian?
then try beans 2009/2/24 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: lentils (dhal) Only if the lentils are contaminated with animal feces.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: You're being a bigot, Doug, and an ignorant one to boot. Let it go. You're not going to win. Science is going to win in the long run, and tolerance, and a growing perception that among ALL of the drugs that society uses to get through the day -- caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, and so many pills that over half of the adult population of the U.S. is on a regular prescription for some kind of antidepressant -- pot has the least bad side effects and causes the least amount of permanent damage. Not to mention that chocolate supposedly has more caffeine than coffee...something all the loonies ranting about how bad that is for you usually forget. Frankly, after this latest rant I just think Doug needs a long vacation. Ar first I really thought it was satire. And as satire, it would be great. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Cultivating Compassion, a Native Virtue
Cultivating Compassion, a Native Virtue Man’s nature tends toward the good just as water tends to flow downwards. Mencius (371–289 B.C.E.) When another person’s pain stirs compassion within me, then his weal and woe go straight to my heart, with exactly that same feeling, if not always to the same degree, as if it were otherwise my own. Consequently, an absolute difference between myself and him no longer exists. Arthur Schopenhauer (1788–1860)1 We can share in more than the pain and woe of other persons. We can also share in the positive expressions of their feelings of well-being. Similar feelings are now being studied worldwide. In Liverpool, India Morrison and colleagues were monitoring men and women, looking for the fMRI correlates of empathy. They found that signals increased in the right dorsal anterior cingulate region not only when their subjects felt pinprick pain themselves but also when their subjects just watched another person’s fingers being pricked.2 At some level, were the observers ‘‘in touch with’’, and ‘‘feeling’’ and ‘‘mirroring’’ the other person’s pain? On the other side of the ocean, 21 and 22 May 2001 were busy days and nights at the University of Wisconsin. Here, in 2001, Richard Davidson’s team was studying the EEG and fMRI signals in Lama Oser’s brain.3 European by birth, the lama had become well trained for over 30 years in Tibetan Buddhist practices. By general agreement, he was also a ‘‘happy monk.’’ Conditions were ideal: here was an articulate, exemplary subject, a monk who could consistently produce mental states that might yield reproducible data. His task was to engage, repeatedly, in a series of six distinctive mental states. He played an active role in designing the experiments, and was very familiar with each state: (1) visualization (of a Tibetan deity); (2) one- pointed visual concentration on a spot; (3) devotion; (4) fearlessness (implying a certainty that there was nothing to gain or lose); (5) the open state (a letting go into a thoughtfree vastness); (6) love and compassion (for this, he used his teachers’ kindness as a model, and engaged in an all-inclusive compassion with such intensity that it ‘‘soaked’’ his mind). The six separate states were studied in the following manner. He began with 60 seconds ‘‘in,’’ shifted into a neutral period of 60 seconds; then went back into another state for 60 seconds. This continued for a total of 5 minutes spent per state (later, he would engage in each state for 90 seconds). His fMRI signals showed strong shifts distinctive of each state, consistent with changes in brain activities involving multiple networks. Lama Oser then went down the hall where the same six states were then monitored in parallel EEG studies. There he was fitted with two different EEG caps. One was equipped with 128 sensors, the other with 256 sensors in different places. Source localization software helped to estimate the deeper origins of his brain wave activities. During the sixth state of induced compassion, his EEG showed a marked shift toward gamma activity in the left middle frontal gyrus. This finding was consistent with previous research from this and other laboratories (see chapter 17). These earlier studies had revealed certain psychological correlates of left frontal lateralized EEG activity (see chapter 43). Among them were not only such positive emotions as happiness, enthusiasm, and joy but also feelings of high energy and alertness. In contrast, greater degrees of right prefrontal predominant activity were correlated with tendencies toward such distressing emotions as sadness, anxiety, and worry. A few months earlier, Paul Ekman and Robert Levenson had monitored Lama Oser’s responses with polygraphic techniques. On that occasion, his task was to view an unpleasant videotape. The tape showed a badly burned patient standing while physicians were peeling off strips of his burned skin. One can appreciate why research subjects usually respond to this unpleasant sight with feelings of disgust. Instead, the lama had a unique, compassionate response. In fact, his polygraph data showed that he was more relaxed during this viewing than even during his resting state. Data such as these provide objective confirmation that, during an inclusive state of compassion, a highly trained, spiritually advanced monk can show distinctive changes in left frontal lobe activity and associated changes in the direction of relaxation involving heart rate, blood pressure, and perspiration. Furthermore, these changes can occur in association with compassionate responses that are voluntarily induced and with spontaneous responses of empathy during visually unpleasant circumstances. Japanese Buddhists have a phrase that includes the level of compassion stemming from the insight of the identity between oneself and other beings. Self/ other has
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
No, he needs a fucking joint of some good KB. - Original Message - From: Sal Sunshine To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: You're being a bigot, Doug, and an ignorant one to boot. Let it go. You're not going to win. Science is going to win in the long run, and tolerance, and a growing perception that among ALL of the drugs that society uses to get through the day -- caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, and so many pills that over half of the adult population of the U.S. is on a regular prescription for some kind of antidepressant -- pot has the least bad side effects and causes the least amount of permanent damage. Not to mention that chocolate supposedly has more caffeine than coffee...something all the loonies ranting about how bad that is for you usually forget. Frankly, after this latest rant I just think Doug needs a long vacation. Ar first I really thought it was satire. And as satire, it would be great. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Where are you getting your B-12 from as a vegetarian?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: then try beans Nope. http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm 2009/2/24 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: lentils (dhal) Only if the lentils are contaminated with animal feces.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are you getting your B-12 from as a vegetarian?
then farmacy :) 2009/2/24 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: then try beans Nope. http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm 2009/2/24 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: lentils (dhal) Only if the lentils are contaminated with animal feces.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:14 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: You're being a bigot, Doug, and an ignorant one to boot. Let it go. You're not going to win. Science is going to win in the long run, and tolerance, and a growing perception that among ALL of the drugs that society uses to get through the day -- caffeine, tobacco, alcohol, and so many pills that over half of the adult population of the U.S. is on a regular prescription for some kind of antidepressant -- pot has the least bad side effects and causes the least amount of permanent damage. Not to mention that chocolate supposedly has more caffeine than coffee...something all the loonies ranting about how bad that is for you usually forget. Remember the old Sanka commercial: 99% caffeine free. What they failed to mention is that regular coffee is 98% caffeine free. Caffeine is a very powerful molecule; a little goes a long way. Modern water-decaffeinated coffee contains about half the caffeine than regular coffee, but still enough to boost your BP measurably. In a way, decaf coffee is like heroin light. Frankly, after this latest rant I just think Doug needs a long vacation. Ar first I really thought it was satire. And as satire, it would be great. Obviously, given the apology I posted earlier for getting my buttons pushed, the same thought occurred to me. I really *hope* that it's satire. Lest the Nabbys and the Jims and the Judys of the world pile on to my own- ing up to toking up when I'm in Amsterdam (even though I've said so many times before), I'm really not an over-doer on *anything*. I have at most one cup of coffee a day, in the morning, it takes me a week to go through a bottle of red wine at home, and I *never* have more than 3 drinks when out with my friends, even during Carnival. And I don't toke up here even though marijuana use is tolerated in Spain. I just can't take the holier than thou shit some supposedly spiritual people on this forum spout. I mean, we are talking about an organization that can legitimately be called a cult, one that *in the name of spirituality* has done illegal, immoral and *unthinkable* things to its own members. I don't know any long-term potheads who treat their supposed friends and colleagues that way. Among the people I know here or back in the U.S. who occasionally smoke a little reefer I can count three MDs, four nuclear scientists from the Sandia Labs at Los Alamos, a Zen Master of note who smokes up once a year religiously just to see what it's like and to shift his assemblage point from the same old same old, and dozens of practitioners of Eastern spirituality and the meditative arts. Not ONE of these people has ever treated his friends and neighbors the heartless and cruel ways that I regularly saw TMers treat each other in the TM movement. So if you're asking me which should be illegal -- pot or TM -- it's a pretty clear call for me. Some dopers get stupid and lazy. Some TMers get not only stupid and lazy but elitist and nasty and hypocritical about being those things. If marijuana is a gateway drug to lazy and stupid, give me that any day over what seems to be a gateway drug to being stupid, lazy, elitist, nasty, hypocritical, and devoid of compassion. Some TMers can obviously handle TM, and find a way to NOT turn stupid, lazy, elitist, nasty, hypocritical and devoid of compassion. There- fore I tolerate it. Some dopers -- such as the people I listed -- can obviously handle a toke now and then without showing any ill effects. Therefore I tolerate it, too. But I'm telling you...it takes a lot more work to be tolerant of TMers when they go on a righteousness bender than it does dopers when they have one hit too many.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: So if you're asking me which should be illegal -- pot or TM -- it's a pretty clear call for me. Some dopers get stupid and lazy. Some TMers get not only stupid and lazy but elitist and nasty and hypocritical about being those things. If marijuana is a gateway drug to lazy and stupid, give me that any day over what seems to be a gateway drug to being stupid, lazy, elitist, nasty, hypocritical, and devoid of compassion. Some TMers can obviously handle TM, and find a way to NOT turn stupid, lazy, elitist, nasty, hypocritical and devoid of compassion. There- fore I tolerate it. Some dopers -- such as the people I listed -- can obviously handle a toke now and then without showing any ill effects. Therefore I tolerate it, too. I think many TMers would appreciate the buzz of good weed, as marijuana also induces EEG alpha waves--the same waves people get buzzed on with correct TM.
[FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
Hey Lurk, not sure how relevant your response is. Duveyoung claimed that he was forced to beg in public, which is a ridiculous claim. Who forced him? Did some TMO henchmen come to his door and frogmarch him to the capitol and force him to beg in public? I don't think so. His anger at the TMO is simply displaced anger at himself for being such a loser that he couldn't afford even the modest amount charged for a dome fee. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: Edg, for the life of me, I can't figure out why everyone is busting your chops on this. I can relate to this story at face value. Makes sense to me. Who wants to be humiliated, or shamed, even in a small way. But no, there's got to be slave issues, or whiner issues. Let me throw this arm chair psychology back on them. You've got Peter, Feste, and Richard coming after you. How many kids do they have between them. Could it be.0. How many kids do WE have between us. Like 7. These other guys don't have the foggiest about what it's like to take on the responsibilites of something like this. Let's see how they fare in this regard. Probably be weeping like little school girls. Ya, we know what a real man is. Hell yea we do! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Poor little whiner, determined to be a victim. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: When I was poor and wanting to still be able to do program in the domes, I had to ask them to let me in for free or at least give me a discount on the dome fee. You'd think that the TMO was scoring a point for having a process for folks like me that involved getting some personal information and then deciding if the candidate warranted help. Seems straightforward and Christian of the TMO, eh? But here's how it worked out in real life: 1. You stand in line forever to get to the person at the main table. 2. You ask, softly and discreetly because you're embarrassed to have to ask, about the chance of getting a free badge. 3. The person at the table speaks loudly: Oh, if you cannot afford the fee go to that table over there. 4. Everyone in the room looks to see who's being sent to the shudra table. 5. You go over to that table and they grill ya about if you've asked all your relatives etc. for help in paying the dome fee, whether you might be getting money in the future and would you then pay back the discounting's difference, whether you're active in the local center, etc. Yes, that really is what they did to me. 6. Anyone in the room could hear my conversation with the person at the shudra table. See why I stopped asking for help? In a cult where even an extra dollar a year income could notch you a step higher in the cult's esteem, I was unable to endure the misery of begging to be with God's Holy Crew. Pride -- in this instance -- was my best friend, because, my pride wouldn't let me put myself in the power of these vicious bastards again. I think that being force to beg in public was my tipping point -- from that time onwards, my first interpretation of anything the TMO was doing was to think that some small minded unenlightened bureaucrat was plying a vile intent. Edg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Where are you getting your B-12 from as a vegetarian?
cottage cheese also 2009/2/24 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zo...@... wrote: then try beans Nope. http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/b12.htm 2009/2/24 Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Zoran Krneta krneta.zoran@ wrote: lentils (dhal) Only if the lentils are contaminated with animal feces.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj the honest and forthright
brilliant spotlight as usual, emptybill! enjoying the inclusive, yet decisive, commentary-- i can hear his hiss from here-- i wonder if there is a cobra equivalent for a paper tiger? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernhardt@ wrote: Don't share anyone my feelings. And you comparing them to shudras, is ludicrous. That's your feeling Bub and don't forget it. Gosh Kirk. Did you forget your flute? Like all nagas, when pressed even slightly, little vaj the naag will kiss you with his fangs. Don't like the burning sensation rushing up your arm toward your heart? Better grab that flute! Even if you can't charm the little naag fast enough to quiet it from striking again, at least you can be quick to smack flat that vituperative, swaying head. And such a vicious little head it is. Made like this by the gods to keep us honest and forthright. Just ask the little naag as it chants to itself while it sways. Knows its purpose doesn't it - self proclaims it, even in the dark. This isn't Buddhist behavior so I ask you is it Nath? By the way, for the past 16 yrs, I've hung with Tantrikas who got started with Trungpa. I've also been on retreats with original Trunpa students, innerscapers who served him personally day and night and drank a lot with him. My conclusion is that little naga vaj talks from books and gossip. Trungpa was the ultimate enabler and his organization was riddled with exploitative hustlers. Yet he did important work and led many people to take up heavy lifting for a chance to get the Tantric goods. The funny part is that most of them received the higher teachings from other lamas. Some however are still humping the goods like porters on a safari and indeed they seem to be growing with every teaching they get. Most are teachers in their own right Trungpa brand. It may be karma but it is certainly diligence at least and it seems to benefit them and others. So I ask you notice a distinct disparity here? We can talk without proclaiming ourselves. Gosh, this must mean we're weak. Maybe little naga vaj will show us how to be strong, like how to sway our heads, what angle to rake the fangs you know, all that inner yoga stuff only real masters can teach.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
On Feb 24, 2009, at 4:07 AM, Peter wrote: My rant towards Edg was based on his extreme victim mentality. I'm not denying, minimizing or dismissing the behavior of the TMO. I certainly know exactly what he is talking about. But to present this badge begging scenario as if he was so wronged and humiliated places all power with the TMO and none with him. If someone is abusing you, until you decide to change your behavior in relationship to them, they will continue to abuse you. Sal, I respect your posts a lot, so please let me know why you think my and other's post pointing out Edg's victim mentality are heavy handed. I thought my slave analogy expressed the interpersonal dynamic quite well. Peter, thanks and I didn't mean to pick on you...your posts usually hit the spot and make me think about things in ways I hadn't before, plus you contribute far more wisdom here than I do. I simply thought Edg was expressing healthy anger and still trying to come to terms with something difficult, and that the master/slave dynamic really didn't apply, or if it did than I thought it was fairly clear he *was* trying to break free...as many of us still are. I guess I just felt a *real* victim probably wouldn't have even brought it up. Anyway, just a few thoughts...thanks for calling my attention to how I was coming across. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:00 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: So if you're asking me which should be illegal -- pot or TM -- it's a pretty clear call for me. Some dopers get stupid and lazy. Some TMers get not only stupid and lazy but elitist and nasty and hypocritical about being those things. If marijuana is a gateway drug to lazy and stupid, give me that any day over what seems to be a gateway drug to being stupid, lazy, elitist, nasty, hypocritical, and devoid of compassion. Some TMers can obviously handle TM, and find a way to NOT turn stupid, lazy, elitist, nasty, hypocritical and devoid of compassion. There- fore I tolerate it. Some dopers -- such as the people I listed -- can obviously handle a toke now and then without showing any ill effects. Therefore I tolerate it, too. I think many TMers would appreciate the buzz of good weed, as marijuana also induces EEG alpha waves--the same waves people get buzzed on with correct TM. Funnily enough it was TM that stopped me smoking dope. I used to be a fairly heavy user but right after I learned TM I tried it once and disliked the way it interfered with my new found clarity of consciousness. Like a good boy I had also stopped smoking for the two weeks before teaching, as requested, and assumed afterwards that that was good advice considering how bad being stoned made me feel. I had always assumed it affected everyone like that because it really fogs things up, maybe these kids were right OTP or perhaps it was the low quality hashish we get over here. I should get myself to Amsterdam and do some proper research. You never know what you might be missing.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:30 AM, feste37 wrote: Hey Lurk, not sure how relevant your response is. Duveyoung claimed that he was forced to beg in public, which is a ridiculous claim. Who forced him? Did some TMO henchmen come to his door and frogmarch him to the capitol and force him to beg in public? I don't think so. His anger at the TMO is simply displaced anger at himself for being such a loser that he couldn't afford even the modest amount charged for a dome fee. Yeah, that's right feste, well all know the inherant worth of an individual depends on their bank account, right? And it's not a modest amount when you have kids to support. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:42 AM, boo_lives wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much more common among ffld sidhas than pot. I won't even bother to get into alchohol and the suffering that causes in society and in ffld. Well maybe your friends who see auras ought to go back to the loony bins they obviously escaped from, boo. Who the hell are they to pass judgements on medication which has helped millions? Sal
[FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
amen to that-- regarding the displaced anger, an all too frequent theme here on FFL from all the TM critics. if anything new was ever said about the TMO and their well known issues, but all of this is just a rehash by those who cannot seem to get past their psychological issues from their time in the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 fest...@... wrote: Hey Lurk, not sure how relevant your response is. Duveyoung claimed that he was forced to beg in public, which is a ridiculous claim. Who forced him? Did some TMO henchmen come to his door and frogmarch him to the capitol and force him to beg in public? I don't think so. His anger at the TMO is simply displaced anger at himself for being such a loser that he couldn't afford even the modest amount charged for a dome fee.
[FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
...cue the violins... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:30 AM, feste37 wrote: Hey Lurk, not sure how relevant your response is. Duveyoung claimed that he was forced to beg in public, which is a ridiculous claim. Who forced him? Did some TMO henchmen come to his door and frogmarch him to the capitol and force him to beg in public? I don't think so. His anger at the TMO is simply displaced anger at himself for being such a loser that he couldn't afford even the modest amount charged for a dome fee. Yeah, that's right feste, well all know the inherant worth of an individual depends on their bank account, right? And it's not a modest amount when you have kids to support. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, Surely you must be joking -- or attempting satire as others are in this thread. Ask your psychic friends what the aura of a sustained deeply depressed person looks like. It must be deep black. And when they become quite functional, when the darkness goes away, when they feel like themselves again -- by increased sustained serotonin levels, your premise or sources say that the aura gets even darker than in deep depression???!!! Again, you must be joking. Ecstasy -- not recommending it casually -- but it also increases serotonin levels -- via different mechanisms. Users are bathed in love, good feeling, compassion and connectedness. Tell me, do your psychic friends feel these qualities produce darkness and blackness in the human aura? If so, maybe we/they need to recalibrate their ranking of aura colors. What ever color an aura is when a person is full of love and compassion -- thats a good color. I read TMO and other spiritual orgs/practices have touted the increased serotonin levels as a benefit of their practices. And that higher serotonin levels correlated with greater consciousness. (They said it, not me -- but I don't dispute it). So a substance that increases sustained serotonin levels in individuals is a bad bad thing? Again you must be joking. Have you considered the validity of your psychic friends and their abilities?
[FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@... wrote: amen to that-- regarding the displaced anger, an all too frequent theme here on FFL from all the TM critics. if anything new was ever said about the TMO and their well known issues, but all of this is just a rehash by those who cannot seem to get past their psychological issues from their time in the TMO. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: Hey Lurk, not sure how relevant your response is. Duveyoung claimed that he was forced to beg in public, which is a ridiculous claim. Who forced him? Did some TMO henchmen come to his door and frogmarch him to the capitol and force him to beg in public? I don't think so. His anger at the TMO is simply displaced anger at himself for being such a loser that he couldn't afford even the modest amount charged for a dome fee. He just felt humiliated by a situation that he felt was poorly handled.so what's new? :-)
[FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , lurkernomore20002000 steve.sun...@... wrote: [snip] You've got Peter, Feste, and Richard coming after you. How many kids do they have between them. Could it be.0. How many kids do WE have between us. Like 7. [snip] Conclusion? Peter, Feste, and Richard participate in responsible sex: they wear condoms. lurkernomore and Edg irresponsibly ride bareback.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: Funnily enough it was TM that stopped me smoking dope. I used to be a fairly heavy user but right after I learned TM I tried it once and disliked the way it interfered with my new found clarity of consciousness. Like a good boy I had also stopped smoking for the two weeks before teaching, as requested, and assumed afterwards that that was good advice considering how bad being stoned made me feel. I had always assumed it affected everyone like that because it really fogs things up, maybe these kids were right OTP or perhaps it was the low quality hashish we get over here. I should get myself to Amsterdam and do some proper research. You never know what you might be missing. OK, I didn't mean to become an advocate for getting stoned or anything :-), but since it seems that I'm one of the few here who is willing to talk about these things openly, I will. I, too, dropped drugs during my whole TM period, and during most of the time since. But on my first trip to Amsterdam, I had a What the fuck moment and decided to see what the staid but efficient Dutch had managed to achieve in the cultivation of high-class weed. What I found surprised me -- in a pleasant way. I expected my clarity of mind to vanish and be replaced with what others here have called a fog. It did not. What I found was a *different* clarity of mind. The closest I can come to describing it is to use the phrase from Castaneda -- it was a shifting of my assemblage point. The nexus of energies that I associated with me *shifted* somewhat, and thus I was able to view things from a *different* perspective and point of view. And that was a very welcome and pleasant experience. I had been wearing the old perspective and point of view for SO LONG that it was a major epiphany to let it go and see things from a *radically* different POV. I found it a fascin- ating experience. And, just to put the spiritual spin on this that some say is lacking from pot experiences, this happened when I was in Amsterdam setting up a free public meditation talk for my spiritual teacher at the time, Rama. After all the prep- arations had been made for the talk, me and the guys who were there with me had a couple of days off, during which we could kick back and enjoy Amsterdam as tourists. The other guys, celibate for years and horny as a cowboy in a men's shower room :-), were drawn to the Red Light District, and its wares. I was not. I had a girlfriend back home, and was not tempted by the women in windows. What I *was* tempted by were the coffeehouses. But at the same time, I knew that in two days I would not only be seeing my spiritual teacher, but be sitting across the table from him at a few dinners. He did not recommend marijuana use. Would he be able to tell if I toked up? Would it fuck up my aura so much that he'd be able to tell, and tell me to take a hike from his teaching? So I did it anyway. I went to a good coffeehouse and sat and talked to the guy behind the bar for a while and got his advice on the different weeds and hashs they sold, and what their known effects were. Unlike a lot of the tourists, I was not looking for heavy and stoneful. I was looking for lightness and clarity and psychedelic qualities. He pointed me to the right blend. I had a delight- ful experience, one that I would call *profoundly* spiritual. I repeated the experiment using dif- ferent weeds over the next couple of days. And two days later I found myself sitting opposite Rama at the dinner table and he looked at me and said, This place agrees with you. I have not seen you this light and this happy and this spiritually charged up in years. Go figure. Anyway, boo_lives wrote some good stuff about dealing with any of these chemicals that shift our assemblage points with respect, and as a kind of ritual or ceremony. That's how I've treated it ever since. I treat my occasional trips to Amsterdam the same way some people in TM treat going on a course, or the same way that people in other spiritual traditions treat going on retreat. Will you ever get enlightened from a bong? Probably not, but will you ever get enlightened doing what you've been doing all these years? And even if you do, will enlightenment be better, or merely different. Many spiritual seekers have bought into the dogma that enlightenment is a better state of conscious- ness so long that they cannot even CONCEIVE that it might just be a different state of consciousness. I do not seek enlightenment or any highest state of consciousness. I merely seek different ones, and try to judge them only as experiences, not on any scale of better or worse. Your mileage may vary. Not selling anything here, just telling you my POV on the subject...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip Lest the Nabbys and the Jims and the Judys of the world pile on to my own- ing up to toking up when I'm in Amsterdam snip I just can't take the holier than thou shit some supposedly spiritual people on this forum spout. Try not attributing to them shit that they don't and wouldn't spout, and maybe you won't be quite so distraught. Don't know about Nabby or Jim, but I have zero problem with adults smoking pot. Used to be a heavy pot smoker myself, quit only because it lost its appeal. I think it should be legalized, or at least decriminalized. IMHO, it's far, *far* less harmful than alcohol or tobacco and can have many benefits.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
God made pot. Man made beer. Which one are you going to choose? Graffiti Scriptures
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: We're able to distinguish between enjoying a fine wine with a gourmet meal and being an alcoholic. Can we please make the same distinctions when discussing pot? This point is brilliant. It applies to people's attitudes about food too. Is fat BAD? It is the source of flavor in our food. Our bodies need it. That doesn't mean if we eat a bunch of the type that causes problems like saturated fats that there will not be repercussions though. But the modern habit of focusing on how bad food is for you is a cultural sickness. It deflates the joy of eating with dubious health benifits. I hear people around a cheese tray at parties with a ripe goat cheese from heaven talking about how sinful it is to eat it as if it's gorgeous buttery whiteness is a pile of crystal meth fresh from a mid-western trailer lab. WTF? It would be a sin to miss out! Same with alcohol. Plenty of people have alcohol problems. Our society has had such a puritanical judgmental attitude about the subject of intoxication that medical clinics send alcoholics to AA, a religious based model, as if that is the only hope. (I know their argument that it isn't religious but for a non religious person it is.) Our medical system has completely failed us if all they can offer people with drinking problems is the 12 step model. But focusing on abusers of alcohol ignores all the great works of art and literature that was facilitated by its use. Like all drugs it gives a different state of mind and many people throughout history have used it for good in their creative lives. The list is endless of associating a masterpiece in any field with a specific drug which helped the person access a part of themselves that they needed to produce it. Not to mention the way people getting together using alcohol or drugs experience a heightening of intimacy. Not everyone wakes up next to a hideous stranger the next day. Some of us have met lifelong friends this way. You can experience some real social peak experiences that celebration cakes do not provide. (Invincibility to Uruguay...) And I'm sorry but the list of people who have created great works of art on meditation has not yet panned out. We have a pretty poor showing from the movement in any field but certainly not what you would expect from access to infinite creativity. I'm not ruling it out yet but let's be real about what we have seen so far. Like all drugs or food even, weed use has a price. And many abuse it until it impacts their lives negatively. But focusing on that aspect of the drug over the overwhelming evidence that artists (musicians especially) have used it for their creative benefit is a modern twisted puritanical POV. And hearing meditators denounce weed claiming that it makes a person stupid and lazy seem ridiculously unaware of Paul Mccartney's lifelong use. (For all those who think he stopped after his Japan bust check out his ex-wife's court documents) The guy is not exactly a creative slouch. And if a couple of bong hits makes it impossible for you to transcend with TM you may want to re-think the claims that your witnessing is evidence that your consciousness will survive death. The best book I ever read on the subject of drugs is called Intoxication: Life in Pursuit of Artificial Paradise by Seigel. He makes the point that many animals get high from substances. He believes that about a quarter of humans have a genetic pre-disposition for seeking altered states. And he points out that the choices we have in society have medical issues associated with them, including pot. It doesn't have to be this way. Laboratories could have figured out a drug that would have us tripping our balls off at a concert and then be able to drive home afterwords with zero side effects. But society has taken the position that having an altered state is a moral failing. This ignores the usefulness for creative people and anyone else who just wants to take a Jamaican vacation after a hard day's work. Or its promising use in therapy sessions. The moral judgment about being high has got to go. We need to stop assigning virtue to one altered state (exercise,meditation and prayer) and vice to others (a deep pull on some sticky icky icky through a hand-blown glass bong made by Tommy Chong) Our primitive value judgments is limiting the advancement in our self knowledge as a human race. We have a lot to learn about these states and we need to start with a clean slate of admitting that we know very little about their positive uses while focusing on the homework issues associated with teenagers huffing too much Mexican ditchweed and polishing off a bag of Chips Ahoy cookies dipped in an oversized glass of Yoohoo. People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much
[FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 fest...@... wrote: His anger at the TMO is simply displaced anger at himself for being such a loser that he couldn't afford even the modest amount charged for a dome fee. Oh, that's *way, way* out of line. There are innumerable reasons why people can be short of cash that don't qualify them as losers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan no_re...@... wrote: God made pot. Man made beer. Which one are you going to choose? Graffiti Scriptures If God didn't want us to drink beer after getting high he wouldn't have included cotton-mouth as a side effect of smoking weed!
[FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
Marek Reavis wrote: So, Edg, what toys have sparked from your fire? Playful minds want to know. Marek, Geeze, I've got hundreds of ideas, and most of them cannot be detailed herein because they've not gotten to retail and might turn a profit for me or my kin down the line. But, let me tease ya. In my box of secrets, I've got: 1. A non-electric gizmo that stores up to a dozen photographs -- each of which is instantly viewable by a mere slight shift of the hand holding the device. 2. I've got a device that is merely two sheets of plastic with meaningless smudges on them, but overlay them, and a photo appearsa neat secret decoder thingy that also might have serious security uses. 3. Geo-Quest Card Game that teaches about geography and animals. 4. Aha -- a card game that a four year old can play with almost the same skill that an adult would have -- as much fun for mom and dad as the kid. 5. A game that makes doing samyama fun. 6. Artificial intelligence programming concept that I haven't seen bandied in the literature yet, which would have many game applications. 7. A game in which the players are involved in a mad frenzy -- a melee in which all players are playing all the time with their hands grabbing and discarding objects in rapid fire fashion that requires that each player watches what the other players are doing more than what they are doing. 8. A maddening updating of the game of hide and seek where all the players are running around like mad and then suddenly freezing for a few seconds and then running like mad again. One player just stands there and smirks. 9. Wind chimes for inside -- that work on the slight air currents found indoors. 10. A construction set that has many pieces that are all identical but from which many objects can be created -- but each object is like a jigsaw puzzle and must be solved in order to be constructed. 11. A game that only can be played by folks who truly are in love because it is so sweet and intimate -- non-sexual but it cannot be played if any non-lover is observing. 12. A game like Scrabble and Risk combined -- gotta spell, gotta conquer, but a ten year old might beat an adult. 13. A stamped plastic object that one looks at until one sees famous faces in it.several. 14. A 3D playing board with grooves that allows game pieces to be slid around in a territorial competition for dominion. 15. Eight strips of paper which can be woven into a pot-holder sized mesh that yields a geometric shape -- Hundreds of shapes to achieve, each shape a puzzle to figure out how to achieve it using the same strips. 16. A three piece puzzle device into which three images can be programmed. Tens of thousands of ways for the three pieces to be combined, but only three of those orientations yields an image. Patented. 17. A jigsaw puzzle with pieces that are photos of everyday objects which have been cut-out along their outlines. These pieces then are used to create a large image by interlocking with each other ala Escher-esque tessellation. Lions and tigers and bears and washing machines and bikes and telephones and ANYTHING are used to create a photo-realistic image by snuggling with each other. 18. A jigsaw puzzle in which all the pieces are not used unless one has completely solved the puzzle, but if there are pieces left over, doesn't matter because the image is still formed. The amount of pieces left over is inversely proportional to one's I.Q. 19. A card game in which one determines one's I.Q. while in competition with others doing so also. 20. Boo -- a haunted house treasure search game. If you see a ghost, you're in trouble, if another player sees your ghost, he's getting closer to winning. Ideas that got to retail are: Bite Lite -- a small fuzzy creature that bites onto a child's pajama lapel and hangs on with tiny monster teeth -- a child's friend who also has a tiny flashlight attached for revealing if there truly are monsters in a dark bedroom. Celebrity Notebook Game -- players try to be actors who by tone of voice deliver their lines such that a precise target meaning is created. The other players must guess the meanings. The more the audience is correct, the more points for the actor. Hex a Box -- a few puzzle pieces that can form a certain pattern, but there's millions of wrong ways to put the pieces together. Omni Jigsaw puzzle -- a set of jigsaw puzzle pieces that can form not merely one image but any image. The retail version of it had seven images that could be made from the pieces, but in reality, any image could be created by them. Users would buy separate instructions for additional images. Whew, that's enough. Don't get me started bragging about all the Internet services I've imagined that are just laying around -- hundreds of them just waiting for passion, time and money. I've got two human powered vehicle concepts collecting dust too. Then there's all the video games I've imagined. There's several
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Hugo richardhughes...@... wrote: Funnily enough it was TM that stopped me smoking dope. I used to be a fairly heavy user but right after I learned TM I tried it once and disliked the way it interfered with my new found clarity of consciousness. Like a good boy I had also stopped smoking for the two weeks before teaching, as requested, and assumed afterwards that that was good advice considering how bad being stoned made me feel. I had always assumed it affected everyone like that because it really fogs things up, maybe these kids were right OTP or perhaps it was the low quality hashish we get over here. I should get myself to Amsterdam and do some proper research. You never know what you might be missing. Pot is not one thing. As food is not one thing. Various strains have wide variations of 66 or more cannabinoids -- with varying effects. For example, high levels of some, such as as CBC (as I recall) makes one foggy. Many strains have very low CBCs. And there are C1 and C2 receptors. Different strains yield different effects on each. At least 66 cannabinoids have been isolated from the cannabis plant[3] To the right the main classes of natural cannabinoids are shown. All classes derive from cannabigerol-type compounds and differ mainly in the way this precursor is cyclized. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), cannabidiol (CBD) and cannabinol (CBN) are the most prevalent natural cannabinoids and have received the most study. Other common cannabinoids are listed below: * CBG Cannabigerol * CBC Cannabichromene * CBL Cannabicyclol * CBV Cannabivarin * THCV Tetrahydrocannabivarin * CBDV Cannabidivarin * CBCV Cannabichromevarin * CBGV Cannabigerovarin * CBGM Cannabigerol Monoethyl Ether
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: snip over half of the adult population of the U.S. is on a regular prescription for some kind of antidepressant Not. Where did you get that stat from, Scientology? In 2002, the figures were around 8.5 percent of the civilian noninstitutionalized population: http://www.meps.ahrq.gov/mepsweb/data_files/publications/st77/stat77.pdf http://tinyurl.com/c6t7jj Even if you account for the percentages of children, those who are institutionalized, and noncivilians taking antidepressants, and assume an increase for 2008, you aren't going to end up with anywhere near over half the adult population. Still way too many, of course, but there's no need to inflate the figures to make that point.
[FairfieldLife] Yoga Vasishtha
The will of the supreme being cannot be transgressed. It is his will that I should be like this and the others should be as they are. One cannot fathom nor measure what has to be. In accordance with the nature of each being, that which is to be comes to be.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: But focusing on abusers of alcohol ignores all the great works of art and literature that was facilitated by its use. Like all drugs it gives a different state of mind and many people throughout history have used it for good in their creative lives. An excellent point, and one that relates to what I was saying earlier about pot shifting one's assemblage point. Well, so does alcohol, when overdone. So does meditation. Artists don't resist these shiftings of their assemblage points (and thus the shift in their POV), they embrace them. And often they wrest great works from those shifts. And, interestingly, their works are often viewed as masterpieces by the same people who pass prohibition laws. Go figure. The list is endless of associating a masterpiece in any field with a specific drug which helped the person access a part of themselves that they needed to produce it. One could probably do a valid and publishable Ph.D. thesis on music and the drug of choice that influenced it. Not to mention the way people getting together using alcohol or drugs experience a heightening of intimacy. Not everyone wakes up next to a hideous stranger the next day. Some of us have met lifelong friends this way. Indeed. Speaking completely honestly and from the heart, gimme a good saloon any day over the highest and purest ashram you can name. The people at the saloon will probably be more honest, and they'll be having more fun. :-) snip And I'm sorry but the list of people who have created great works of art on meditation has not yet panned out. Ahem. Might I recommend The Turquoise Bee: The Love- songs of the Sixth Dalai Lama, by Rick Fields and Brian Cutillo? Or the works of Ikkyu or Bankei? These guys ROCKED. They could definitely get high and write like sumbitches. And their drug of choice was meditation. Mostly. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
Wow! Very cool stuff, Edg. Many more (and more varied) than I had expected. 35 seems way too old for your brain, Edg; 16 seems more likely to me. Is the Bite Lite still around? I'd love to get one for the granddaughter. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Marek Reavis wrote: So, Edg, what toys have sparked from your fire? Playful minds want to know. Marek, Geeze, I've got hundreds of ideas, and most of them cannot be detailed herein because they've not gotten to retail and might turn a profit for me or my kin down the line. But, let me tease ya. In my box of secrets, I've got: 1. A non-electric gizmo that stores up to a dozen photographs -- each of which is instantly viewable by a mere slight shift of the hand holding the device. 2. I've got a device that is merely two sheets of plastic with meaningless smudges on them, but overlay them, and a photo appearsa neat secret decoder thingy that also might have serious security uses. 3. Geo-Quest Card Game that teaches about geography and animals. 4. Aha -- a card game that a four year old can play with almost the same skill that an adult would have -- as much fun for mom and dad as the kid. 5. A game that makes doing samyama fun. 6. Artificial intelligence programming concept that I haven't seen bandied in the literature yet, which would have many game applications. 7. A game in which the players are involved in a mad frenzy -- a melee in which all players are playing all the time with their hands grabbing and discarding objects in rapid fire fashion that requires that each player watches what the other players are doing more than what they are doing. 8. A maddening updating of the game of hide and seek where all the players are running around like mad and then suddenly freezing for a few seconds and then running like mad again. One player just stands there and smirks. 9. Wind chimes for inside -- that work on the slight air currents found indoors. 10. A construction set that has many pieces that are all identical but from which many objects can be created -- but each object is like a jigsaw puzzle and must be solved in order to be constructed. 11. A game that only can be played by folks who truly are in love because it is so sweet and intimate -- non-sexual but it cannot be played if any non-lover is observing. 12. A game like Scrabble and Risk combined -- gotta spell, gotta conquer, but a ten year old might beat an adult. 13. A stamped plastic object that one looks at until one sees famous faces in it.several. 14. A 3D playing board with grooves that allows game pieces to be slid around in a territorial competition for dominion. 15. Eight strips of paper which can be woven into a pot-holder sized mesh that yields a geometric shape -- Hundreds of shapes to achieve, each shape a puzzle to figure out how to achieve it using the same strips. 16. A three piece puzzle device into which three images can be programmed. Tens of thousands of ways for the three pieces to be combined, but only three of those orientations yields an image. Patented. 17. A jigsaw puzzle with pieces that are photos of everyday objects which have been cut-out along their outlines. These pieces then are used to create a large image by interlocking with each other ala Escher-esque tessellation. Lions and tigers and bears and washing machines and bikes and telephones and ANYTHING are used to create a photo-realistic image by snuggling with each other. 18. A jigsaw puzzle in which all the pieces are not used unless one has completely solved the puzzle, but if there are pieces left over, doesn't matter because the image is still formed. The amount of pieces left over is inversely proportional to one's I.Q. 19. A card game in which one determines one's I.Q. while in competition with others doing so also. 20. Boo -- a haunted house treasure search game. If you see a ghost, you're in trouble, if another player sees your ghost, he's getting closer to winning. Ideas that got to retail are: Bite Lite -- a small fuzzy creature that bites onto a child's pajama lapel and hangs on with tiny monster teeth -- a child's friend who also has a tiny flashlight attached for revealing if there truly are monsters in a dark bedroom. Celebrity Notebook Game -- players try to be actors who by tone of voice deliver their lines such that a precise target meaning is created. The other players must guess the meanings. The more the audience is correct, the more points for the actor. Hex a Box -- a few puzzle pieces that can form a certain pattern, but there's millions of wrong ways to put the pieces together. Omni Jigsaw puzzle -- a set of jigsaw puzzle pieces that can form not merely one image but any image. The retail version of it had seven images that could be made from the pieces, but in
[FairfieldLife] Fish with transparent head. . .
. . . and rotating eyes so it can see up, down, and all around. http://snipurl.com/ck9cz
[FairfieldLife] Obama: Where's your lunch money, kid?
2/24/09 riverdaughter I hope some of you have been following Planet Money. http://tinyurl.com/4zcbdn For some bizarre reason, they don't seem to indulge much in propaganda...They try to break down the jargon... Their position is that of the common man trying to make sense of it all...the bottom line came through clearly enough: Obama and Geithner are conspiring with the banks for the US taxpayers to absorb the losses of the shareholders of Citibank. In return, we will get diluted shares of common stock and the shareholders get a floor to their freefall. The result of all of this is that the banks will stay in private hands. Uri: That means we're [the taxpayers] are trading $45 billion dollars of investment in Citigroup into $4-5 billion in common shares? Rolf: Yes. Approximately. That's a decent way of thinking about it. ...the media is so busy trying to tell us how totally awesome Obama is that the public may not realize that he doesn't know what he's doing but Tim Geithner does. Geithner is doing everything in his power to prevent the bank shareholders from losing too much money and surrendering control of their insolvent banks to the government even if that means that taxpayers lose 90% of their investment in the bank. But when it comes to Social Security, the investment you made over the years will not be protected. The post-partisan, non-Democrats in charge are looking for a way to not have to replace the billions of dollars the movement conservatives borrowed from the Trust Fund over the years and YOU will be expected to take a loss. Sweeet! There is a very disturbing psychological warfare being set up in the media right now to make us believe that there is no money left for us and we deserve to have no money, while the bankers are innocent bystanders who simply bought shares in banks and they need to be bought out. When that happens, all that money transferred to banks like Citigroup will be in private hands and there will be no money left to pay back the Trust Fund. Oh, sure, they've tabled the idea of reforming Social Security for fiscal responsibility, or so they say. But you can be sure that someone will be working on the awful conundrum that is the legacy of the Bush years: how to convince the taxpayer to voluntarily screw themselves so the wealthy and well connected don't have to suffer? Call me an old, working class, uneducated, sino-peruvian lesbian but I ain't stupid. We is being robbed. read more: http://tinyurl.com/azem4o
[FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: I might as well toss in my great American novel while I'm at it. Have written only one chapter -- a decade ago -- sigh. It's about the birth of God. There´s your whole problem right there, Edg. You should have written the last chapter first. That´s what I do, and it works because then I have to figure out all the stuff that led up to the ending. :-) Great list. Really, really neat ideas. I know a toy store in Santa Fe that would pick up and sell any of them. I picked up some cool toys from them, including one that is a spinning top that levitates, and spins in mid-air. Endless delight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
does Jim still post here? i haven't seen anyone by that name posting here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip Lest the Nabbys and the Jims and the Judys of the world pile on to my own- ing up to toking up when I'm in Amsterdam snip I just can't take the holier than thou shit some supposedly spiritual people on this forum spout. Try not attributing to them shit that they don't and wouldn't spout, and maybe you won't be quite so distraught. Don't know about Nabby or Jim, but I have zero problem with adults smoking pot. Used to be a heavy pot smoker myself, quit only because it lost its appeal. I think it should be legalized, or at least decriminalized. IMHO, it's far, *far* less harmful than alcohol or tobacco and can have many benefits.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: 5. A game that makes doing samyama fun. Already been made by meditation researchers and being used in some schools. It's a video game that trains attentional skills.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:00 AM, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ...cue the violins... Or join the club. I hung out with the well heeled citizens who donated money, facilities and time and we were treated like shit. Flew all the way from Alaska to FF for a Christmas WPA. Was told /on Christmas/ that I needed another recommendation to go on the course. Showed up to a residence course in another state only to arrive at an empty facility: the course had been cancelled. Of course there's the famous This is the course office. Our hours are 1 PM to 4 PM Central Time Monday thru Thursday at 2:30 PM at a time when there weren't mobiles and there are some places still where getting a phone with long distance or international access isn't that easy. And being talked down to. I have forgiven these people. I believe that the lack of real world experience had something to do with it. That plus they were living in their own cult, like the lady on the Taste of Utopia course check in who was practicing the Mother Divine witnessing while checking us in. It has been very pleasant sitting back here listening to the tales of woe about treatment from other people and how people here treated other people fuck you, I was in this dorm first. Nice to see people got their comeuppance because IMO they were part of the problem, not part of the solution. But that's over, done and gone.
[FairfieldLife] Irrational Exuberance?
The HuffingtonPost's headline that linked to the story below was Irrational Exuberance. But I think it's the most positive news and most productive news we've had in a long time. I mean, hey, it's a lot better than the doom and gloom coming out of the mouth of Barack Obama and others, like George Soros, who keep telling us this is going to be worse than the Great Depression. No one knows WHAT it's going to be like...so why not at least be positive about it, the way Bernanke is? Bernanke: Recession Should End in 2009, 2010 Will Be A Year Of Recovery http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/bernanke-recession-should_n_16\ 9440.html[RSS] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/syndication/ stumble http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit.php?url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com\ /2009/02/24/bernanke-recession-should_n_169440.htmltitle=Bernanke%3A%20\ Recession%20Should%20End%20in%202009%2C%202010%20%22Will%20Be%20A%20Year\ %20Of%20Recovery%22 digg http://digg.com/submit?phase=2url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0\ 2/24/bernanke-recession-should_n_169440.htmltitle=Bernanke%3A%20Recessi\ on%20Should%20End%20in%202009%2C%202010%20%22Will%20Be%20A%20Year%20Of%2\ 0Recovery%22 reddit http://reddit.com/submit?url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/b\ ernanke-recession-should_n_169440.htmltitle=Bernanke%3A%20Recession%20S\ hould%20End%20in%202009%2C%202010%20%22Will%20Be%20A%20Year%20Of%20Recov\ ery%22 del.ico.us http://del.icio.us/post?v=4nouijump=closeurl=http://www.huffingtonpo\ st.com/2009/02/24/bernanke-recession-should_n_169440.htmltitle=Bernanke\ %3A%20Recession%20Should%20End%20in%202009%2C%202010%20%22Will%20Be%20A%\ 20Year%20Of%20Recovery%22 http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/huffington_post/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.hu\ ffingtonpost.com%252F2009%252F02%252F24%252Fbernanke-recession-should_n_\ 169440.html mixx.com [Share this on Facebook] http://www.facebook.com/sharer.php?u=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009\ /02/24/bernanke-recession-should_n_169440.htmltitle=Bernanke%3A%20Reces\ sion%20Should%20End%20in%202009%2C%202010%20%22Will%20Be%20A%20Year%20Of\ %20Recovery%22ShareThis Huffington Post | February 24, 2009 10:20 AM I Like It http://www.huffingtonpost.com/include/vote.php?popup=1entry_id=169440 I Don't Like It http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/bernanke-recession-should_n_16\ 9440.html# Read More: Ben Bernanke http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/ben-bernanke , Bernanke And Congress http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/bernanke-and-congress , Bernanke Testimony http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/bernanke-testimony , Home News http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ Show your support. Buzz this article up.Buzz up! http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/huffington_post/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.hu\ ffingtonpost.com%252F2009%252F02%252F24%252Fbernanke-recession-should_n_\ 169440.htmlGet Breaking News Alerts never spam * Share http://www.huffingtonpost.com/send/?id=169440 * Print http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/bernanke-recession-should_n_16\ 9440.html?view=print * Comments http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/24/bernanke-recession-should_n_16\ 9440.html#comments From The Wall Street Journal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123548742716959583.html?mod=googlenews_\ wsj ... scroll down for live video from the hearing: U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Tuesday that the recession should end this year and 2010 will be a year of recovery, if actions taken by the government lead to some stabilization in financial markets. But that's a mighty if given recent severe declines in equity markets to levels not seen in more than a decade despite repeated announcements of government bank and housing rescue plans. Watch Bernanke's testimony below or read more from The Wall Street Journal http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123548742716959583.html?mod=googlenews_\ wsj (the article is password protected). Visit msnbc.com for Breaking News http://www.msnbc.msn.com/ , World News http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032507 , and News about the Economy http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032072 The AP has more on Bernanke's testimony http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090224/bernanke/ : Bernanke hoped that the current recession, now in its second year, will end this year. But he said there were significant risks to that forecast and any economic turnaround would hinge on the success of the Fed and the Obama administration in getting credit and financial markets to operate more normally again. Only if that is the case, in my view there is a reasonable prospect that the current recession will end in 2009 and that 2010 will be a year of recovery, Bernanke said. Among the risks to any recovery are if economic and financial troubles in other countries turn out to be worse than anticipated, which would hurt U.S. exports and further aggravate already shaky financial conditions in the United States.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Bob: Yearbook Page at MUM LIbrary
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:07 PM, bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman * Deeppack probably did teach or guest lecture a few times at MIU before he bailed in the early 90s, which does qualify him for his listing as parttime faculty. Yes. He was my teacher, as were the other profs at MIU. You see I received continuing education course credits whenever and wherever I went on a residence course or WPA. Remember those credits?I never figured out what MIU did with those credits besides puff up their numbers. I wonder if anyone ever attempted to redeem those credits at a college or grad school?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I, too, dropped drugs during my whole TM period, and during most of the time since. But on my first trip to Amsterdam, I had a What the fuck moment and decided to see what the staid but efficient Dutch had managed to achieve in the cultivation of high-class weed. What I found surprised me -- in a pleasant way. I expected my clarity of mind to vanish and be replaced with what others here have called a fog. It did not. That's because your state of mind was so foggy already you had nowhere to go but up, Barry. :) I'm just throwing that in so that the usual suspects can save themselves the trouble. Don't thank me, Judy, Bob and eternal... it was nothing. What I found was a *different* clarity of mind. The closest I can come to describing it is to use the phrase from Castaneda -- it was a shifting of my assemblage point. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yearbook Page at MUM LIbrary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk kirk_bernha...@... wrote: I can't remember. I thought we combined two years when the budget was low. One year was softcover. In that one I have a couple photos. One, I am sitting next to my gorgeous girlfriend of the time Yasmin. Boy did she hate me. Such great memories. I look back on all the faces, and not s single mother fucker have ever called me again since MIU. Not one. I saw my sidhis buddy during Mardi Gras one year. I was bartending on a parade route. He was with some girls. He said, he don't tell them anything about TM. I was like, hey great to see you too you fucking piece of shit. You were supposed to be my friend. Fuck you. Sorry but the MIU-friend thing got me going a bit. I have never talked to a single one of those people again. You guys here are better friends than they were. There are three people I am still close to from my MIU days; still keep in touch, mainly be email. But it was amazing going through the yearbooks from the years I was there because I saw faces and names I hadn't thought of in 30 years! Quite a trip down memory road. I'd love to know how many are still meditating; how many are disillusioned with the TMO; and how many are still gung-ho. Of the three people I referred to above, 2 still meditate regularly, the other is sporadic in his practise and I am still regular. so that's three out of four as far as still doing TM goes, although I somehow suspect that's an exception. As far as disillusionment with the TMO goes, 3 of the 4 of us are disillusioned to one degree or another and the fourth is still starry- eyed (although that could be a function of the fact that he is so far removed from the TMO where he resides that he is living off of the fumes of the TMO's good days of yesteryear... - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stan...@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 8:26 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yearbook Page at MUM LIbrary --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yateendrajee mcintosh@ wrote: PDF's of old yearbooks are available at the MUM website. Might be helpful for group participants to point themselves out, and/or refresh their memories about classmates. I've been having a misty-eyed time looking at those dear people! http://www.mum.edu/yearbooks.html Cameron McIntosh Student '77-79 Wow, that was a trip and a half. I'm in the '83 and '84 yearbooks, the two years that I was there. I saw Kirk's picture in the '84 yearbook. Some of the people are dead. Quite a few are still in Fairfield. One of them has been married to me for almost 22 years. Lots of them are people I haven't thought about in a very long time. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: Obama: Where's your lunch money, kid?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: 2/24/09 riverdaughter I hope some of you have been following Planet Money. http://tinyurl.com/4zcbdn For some bizarre reason, they don't seem to indulge much in propaganda...They try to break down the jargon...Their position is that of the common man trying to make sense of it all... Trouble with that is, the common man simply isn't *equipped* to make sense of it all. It's too fantastically complicated. Not even the so- called experts have a handle on it, at least judging by the wide disagreement among them. snip ...the media is so busy trying to tell us how totally awesome Obama is There's plenty of disagreement among the media, too, about how awesome he is. snip Geithner is doing everything in his power to prevent the bank shareholders from losing too much money and surrendering control of their insolvent banks to the government even if that means that taxpayers lose 90% of their investment in the bank. Or, he knows the government is going to have to take over the big banks sooner or later but can't say so until it actually happens, because shareholders' anticipatory panic would leave things in even worse shape. But when it comes to Social Security, the investment you made over the years will not be protected. The post-partisan, non-Democrats in charge are looking for a way to not have to replace the billions of dollars the movement conservatives borrowed from the Trust Fund over the years and YOU will be expected to take a loss. Sweeet! Nonsense. There is a very disturbing psychological warfare being set up in the media right now to make us believe that there is no money left for us and we deserve to have no money, while the bankers are innocent bystanders who simply bought shares in banks and they need to be bought out. Even worse nonsense, at least in the media I read. They're wringing their hands over the idea of subsidizing the moronic bankers who got us into this mess at the taxpayers' expense. When that happens, all that money transferred to banks like Citigroup will be in private hands and there will be no money left to pay back the Trust Fund. Let's remember that the Trust Fund is the *surplus*. We won't even need to dip into the Trust Fund for another two or three decades. Social Security is the least of our problems right now. snip Call me an old, working class, uneducated, sino- peruvian lesbian but I ain't stupid. Not stupid, just ignorant, like most of the rest of us. Maybe not *quite* smart enough to realize the extent of our ignorance and get caught up in nutcase conspiracy theories instead. Not even the folks who are running things are smart enough to put together and implement a conspiracy of that extent. If they were, they'd have figured out a way to transfer the wealth without losing hundreds of billions of dollars of assets in the process. It was *their stupidity*--and greed--that got us into this mess in the first place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Irrational Exuberance?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: snip I mean, hey, it's a lot better than the doom and gloom coming out of the mouth of Barack Obama and others, like George Soros, who keep telling us this is going to be worse than the Great Depression. Please supply some quotes to this effect.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I, too, dropped drugs during my whole TM period, and during most of the time since. But on my first trip to Amsterdam, I had a What the fuck moment and decided to see what the staid but efficient Dutch had managed to achieve in the cultivation of high-class weed. What I found surprised me -- in a pleasant way. I expected my clarity of mind to vanish and be replaced with what others here have called a fog. It did not. That's because your state of mind was so foggy already you had nowhere to go but up, Barry. :) I'm just throwing that in so that the usual suspects can save themselves the trouble. Don't thank me, Judy, Bob and eternal... it was nothing. Stupid Sal is hallucinating again where I'm concerned. And she does it even having claimed she doesn't read my posts.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I, too, dropped drugs during my whole TM period, and during most of the time since. But on my first trip to Amsterdam, I had a What the fuck moment and decided to see what the staid but efficient Dutch had managed to achieve in the cultivation of high-class weed. What I found surprised me -- in a pleasant way. I expected my clarity of mind to vanish and be replaced with what others here have called a fog. It did not. That's because your state of mind was so foggy already you had nowhere to go but up, Barry. :) I'm just throwing that in so that the usual suspects can save themselves the trouble. Don't thank me, Judy, Bob and eternal... it was nothing. Stupid Sal is hallucinating again where I'm concerned. And she does it even having claimed she doesn't read my posts. Speaking of clarity of mind, it's quite astonishing how often the TM critics here fog up, even without the benefit of drugs, about what TM defenders have and have not said. (That is, of course, assuming they really believe what they claim.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 10:25 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: I, too, dropped drugs during my whole TM period, and during most of the time since. But on my first trip to Amsterdam, I had a What the fuck moment and decided to see what the staid but efficient Dutch had managed to achieve in the cultivation of high-class weed. What I found surprised me -- in a pleasant way. I expected my clarity of mind to vanish and be replaced with what others here have called a fog. It did not. That's because your state of mind was so foggy already you had nowhere to go but up, Barry. :) This is possible. :-) I'm just throwing that in so that the usual suspects can save themselves the trouble. Don't thank me, Judy, Bob and eternal... it was nothing. It's just one of those Laws Of Nature they talk about: (S)he who gets to the straight line first is the best comic.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Fish with transparent head. . .
. . . and rotating eyes so it can see up, down, and all around. http://snipurl.com/ck9cz page not found.
[FairfieldLife] Shudra shunning at MUM was my tipping point (Re: Vaj the honest and forthright)
no argument or problem withy what you have written. i am well aware that many in the TMO acted pompous and superior. as you said: OK. done. next. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:00 AM, enlightened_dawn11 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ...cue the violins... Or join the club. I hung out with the well heeled citizens who donated money, facilities and time and we were treated like shit. Flew all the way from Alaska to FF for a Christmas WPA. Was told /on Christmas/ that I needed another recommendation to go on the course. Showed up to a residence course in another state only to arrive at an empty facility: the course had been cancelled. Of course there's the famous This is the course office. Our hours are 1 PM to 4 PM Central Time Monday thru Thursday at 2:30 PM at a time when there weren't mobiles and there are some places still where getting a phone with long distance or international access isn't that easy. And being talked down to. I have forgiven these people. I believe that the lack of real world experience had something to do with it. That plus they were living in their own cult, like the lady on the Taste of Utopia course check in who was practicing the Mother Divine witnessing while checking us in. It has been very pleasant sitting back here listening to the tales of woe about treatment from other people and how people here treated other people fuck you, I was in this dorm first. Nice to see people got their comeuppance because IMO they were part of the problem, not part of the solution. But that's over, done and gone.
[FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
Marek, I might have a Bite Lite around here somewherestay tuned. And, yeah, I am kid's kid and always have been -- except for the fact that I, you know, raised four kids, had jobs, made money for my guru, etc. I don't think I've ever been in any other frame of mind than let's play! This is my burden -- I've never been able to quite overcome it, and I'm pretty much unemployable, but I play at playing a real person, so I have not been readily fired from my jobs but probably should never have been hired for half of them. I really hate those meetings where I know I can't shout out a joke from the back of the crowd. I have a severely bitten bottom lip. I remember this meeting with three patent attorneys, a President of a company, and his right hand guy, and then me all on the 40th floor of some Chicago skyscraper. Huge huge room, 30 foot ceiling, wall to wall windows overlooking the city's vistas, and everyone in the room getting, arrrgh!, $500 per hour to be there -- except me. Ya don't waste time with a joke, then, let me tell ya, but I burn, I burn, I burn like Spock in rut to bust out a pun. But you, an attorney, have this as your daily fare. How often do you get witty? I went through this legal process last year in which I had to do eight hours a day, five days in a row, with my attorney to prep for a disposition. I got a few jokes inserted into the process, but man, you lawyers are nit-picking, deep-thinking, focused cusses. That week was for me a real eye opener about your profession. I don't know how you can leave your work at the office. During that week, I literally couldn't enjoy anything -- went back to my motel, and didn't bother to watch TV or anything and couldn't sleep without having dream after dream about the legal material. I complemented my attorney about this, and he said, I know, I know, I try to tell my wife about this, but she just can't know the intensity of the mental work I do. Hey, any chance you can help the FF pot kids? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis reavisma...@... wrote: Wow! Very cool stuff, Edg. Many more (and more varied) than I had expected. 35 seems way too old for your brain, Edg; 16 seems more likely to me. Is the Bite Lite still around? I'd love to get one for the granddaughter. Marek ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Marek Reavis wrote: So, Edg, what toys have sparked from your fire? Playful minds want to know. Marek, Geeze, I've got hundreds of ideas, and most of them cannot be detailed herein because they've not gotten to retail and might turn a profit for me or my kin down the line. But, let me tease ya. In my box of secrets, I've got: 1. A non-electric gizmo that stores up to a dozen photographs -- each of which is instantly viewable by a mere slight shift of the hand holding the device. 2. I've got a device that is merely two sheets of plastic with meaningless smudges on them, but overlay them, and a photo appearsa neat secret decoder thingy that also might have serious security uses. 3. Geo-Quest Card Game that teaches about geography and animals. 4. Aha -- a card game that a four year old can play with almost the same skill that an adult would have -- as much fun for mom and dad as the kid. 5. A game that makes doing samyama fun. 6. Artificial intelligence programming concept that I haven't seen bandied in the literature yet, which would have many game applications. 7. A game in which the players are involved in a mad frenzy -- a melee in which all players are playing all the time with their hands grabbing and discarding objects in rapid fire fashion that requires that each player watches what the other players are doing more than what they are doing. 8. A maddening updating of the game of hide and seek where all the players are running around like mad and then suddenly freezing for a few seconds and then running like mad again. One player just stands there and smirks. 9. Wind chimes for inside -- that work on the slight air currents found indoors. 10. A construction set that has many pieces that are all identical but from which many objects can be created -- but each object is like a jigsaw puzzle and must be solved in order to be constructed. 11. A game that only can be played by folks who truly are in love because it is so sweet and intimate -- non-sexual but it cannot be played if any non-lover is observing. 12. A game like Scrabble and Risk combined -- gotta spell, gotta conquer, but a ten year old might beat an adult. 13. A stamped plastic object that one looks at until one sees famous faces in it.several. 14. A 3D playing board with grooves that allows game pieces to be slid around in a territorial competition for dominion. 15. Eight strips of paper which can be woven into a
[FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
Duveyoung wrote: I might as well toss in my great American novel while I'm at it. Have written only one chapter -- a decade ago -- sigh. It's about the birth of God. TurquoiseB wrote: There´s your whole problem right there, Edg. You should have written the last chapter first. That´s what I do, and it works because then I have to figure out all the stuff that led up to the ending. :-) Turq, Oh, I've got the ending down pat, but you're right, having that as a goal keeps you on the literary path. The ending: suddenly, the universe attacks. Yeah, there'd have to be a sequel. Natch! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: I might as well toss in my great American novel while I'm at it. Have written only one chapter -- a decade ago -- sigh. It's about the birth of God. There´s your whole problem right there, Edg. You should have written the last chapter first. That´s what I do, and it works because then I have to figure out all the stuff that led up to the ending. :-) Great list. Really, really neat ideas. I know a toy store in Santa Fe that would pick up and sell any of them. I picked up some cool toys from them, including one that is a spinning top that levitates, and spins in mid-air. Endless delight.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fish with transparent head. . .
Don't know why that didn't work but anyway, here's the full link. For some reason, I have difficulty doing Tinyurl (and now Snipurl) from the office computer. http://blogs.discovery.com/news_animal/2009/02/see-a-fish-with-a- transparent-head.html ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: . . . and rotating eyes so it can see up, down, and all around. http://snipurl.com/ck9cz page not found.
[FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
Vaj, I doubt my game play is that to which you're referring, but can you give me any particulars of this video game of which you've written? My game is played 24/7 by any number of players. You never know when your turn will come, you never know when any other players' turns might come, but all players know what they'll have to do when the challenge whacks ya sudden like. No player ever sees another player playing the game..unless.. My game requires a sacred intent, a magical and whimsical creativity, and STEALTH! And the game NEVER ENDS. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: 5. A game that makes doing samyama fun. Already been made by meditation researchers and being used in some schools. It's a video game that trains attentional skills.
[FairfieldLife] Revival in eastern Scandinavia has begun??
Maharishi's interview (1973): http://www.telkku.com/?oid=20090224222063autoload=true
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunsh...@... wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:42 AM, boo_lives wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much more common among ffld sidhas than pot. I won't even bother to get into alchohol and the suffering that causes in society and in ffld. Well maybe your friends who see auras ought to go back to the loony bins they obviously escaped from, boo. Who the hell are they to pass judgements on medication which has helped millions? Sal To clarify I'm not saying that anti-depressant medication can't help some people and it's fully up to them to decide what to do. I mentioned the aura readers just because someone else did to put down cannabis and I wanted to say these people see lots of things and you actually shouldn't go by that either way. I wanted to point out that our society is bipolar regarding drugs. Antidepressants help some people, but also have many physical side effects plus the well known clouding over of the personality and emotions for many people, plus a study I saw last week saying that certain antidepressants in fact didn't have any benefit at all, plus the overprescription of antidepressants to children and to low depression patients who could be treated other ways, YET despite all this we still find a way to get antidepressants to people who need them... but mention cannabis and immediately scenes from reefer madness come to mind and teh possibility that some people will have negative effects means hundreds of thousands of americans are in jail. I'd like to see more equality in how we view pharmaceutical versus non pharmaceutical drugs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga Vasishtha
Yep, it's the supreme being who did it. It was His fault, not mine. The gunas are run by Ishvara and in all cases beings follow their own nature - all at the command of the One. This is why we need the idea of a cosmic ruler - so we can remain blameless. Those poor Buddhists. They don't have any karmic dispensation like we do. They can't say god made me do it because for them karma rules all. To bad, they can only blame themselves. Of course they don't have a self so in the end it all just happens on its own. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: The will of the supreme being cannot be transgressed. It is his will that I should be like this and the others should be as they are. One cannot fathom nor measure what has to be. In accordance with the nature of each being, that which is to be comes to be.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Duveyoung wrote: Vaj, I doubt my game play is that to which you're referring, but can you give me any particulars of this video game of which you've written? My game is played 24/7 by any number of players. You never know when your turn will come, you never know when any other players' turns might come, but all players know what they'll have to do when the challenge whacks ya sudden like. No player ever sees another player playing the game..unless.. My game requires a sacred intent, a magical and whimsical creativity, and STEALTH! And the game NEVER ENDS. I didn't write it and I haven't played it. I've heard it talked about with the scientists involved in InnerKids, a program bringing mindfulness meditation into schools. I do know it's not played 24/7 :-). Since the idea is to train attention volitionally, people enter into the game with that intention, it's just that the training is masked as play.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ali Velshi - CNN's Money Brain - Who is he?
Ali Velshi - CNN'S Money Brains - A Muslim from Kenya! Who is He? Added2:27 [TRANSLATED] CNN's Velshi answersRush Limbaugh [TRANSLATED] CNN's Velshi answersRush Limbaugh CNN's Ali Velshi responds to Rush Limbaugh's argument that tax cuts are simplest way to stimulate economy. ... 3 weeks ago 547 views localworldnews Sponsored LinksNationalityLearn when and from where your ancestors immigrated to the U.S. Ancestry.comNationalityGet better answers and references on Ask.com. Use Ask.com now! www.ask.com Search ResultsAli Velshi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - 10:33amFeb 7, 2009 ... 'Ali Velshi is a Canadian television journalist best known for his work on CNN. He is CNN's Chief Business Correspondent, and co-host of Arhata http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga Vasishtha
--Right! Being attacked by muggers? No problem. What will be, will be. Home invaders stealing your goods? Again, no problem. Whatever...what will be, will be! - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptyb...@... wrote: Yep, it's the supreme being who did it. It was His fault, not mine. The gunas are run by Ishvara and in all cases beings follow their own nature - all at the command of the One. This is why we need the idea of a cosmic ruler - so we can remain blameless. Those poor Buddhists. They don't have any karmic dispensation like we do. They can't say god made me do it because for them karma rules all. To bad, they can only blame themselves. Of course they don't have a self so in the end it all just happens on its own. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: The will of the supreme being cannot be transgressed. It is his will that I should be like this and the others should be as they are. One cannot fathom nor measure what has to be. In accordance with the nature of each being, that which is to be comes to be.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
Pot has been used for thousands of years and has never been anything but a boon to any culture -- until Hearst et al. To me this illegality of weed issue is such a disconnect. I can't get my head around it. How can ANYONE think that pot is anywhere near as harmful as alcohol or tobacco use when these two substances are well known to kill hundreds of thousands of people every year? I mean, it's one thing to speak of the potency of Hearst's propaganda, but when the truth is right there for all the world to see and yet it is denied, it blows me away. It is absolutely the commonest experience for almost anyone to have seen a homeless person with their brown paper bag cheap wine sitting on some stoop in a haze, or we've all seen a person smoking a cigarette and coughing a lung up at the same time. Who doesn't know these end results that usage can create in some lives? Yet, anyone seen smoking a joint in a public place will be thought to be some criminal-at-large who might do anything any second and should be feared and shamed and abused in any way possible. I remember living in Arcata, CA for a year, and it was hippy-ville central. Tie dyes. Granny dresses. The whole magilla. Every Saturday they'd have the farmer's market, and there'd be pot smoke easily smelled everywhere -- even some folks openly toking upcops ignoring it. I was shocked. Today, I understand that this is the case in many other venues now in CA. It's about time. I think the pot heads in Arcata need to learn something from the Gay Pride movement in SF -- make it a regionally identified issue and move now, act up, get in faces, be outrageous, flagrant, and snotty about it. To hell with anymore submissioning to haughty moralists with their atomic tsk-tskings. Have a pot parade like a gay pride parade with giant hookas, boxcar sized blunts, etc. If they legalize it in CA, I think it'd be a tipping point for the whole world. Amsterdam's example is just not enough, but all of California?yeah, now ya gots yourself a tipper. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:42 AM, boo_lives wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much more common among ffld sidhas than pot. I won't even bother to get into alchohol and the suffering that causes in society and in ffld. Well maybe your friends who see auras ought to go back to the loony bins they obviously escaped from, boo. Who the hell are they to pass judgements on medication which has helped millions? Sal To clarify I'm not saying that anti-depressant medication can't help some people and it's fully up to them to decide what to do. I mentioned the aura readers just because someone else did to put down cannabis and I wanted to say these people see lots of things and you actually shouldn't go by that either way. I wanted to point out that our society is bipolar regarding drugs. Antidepressants help some people, but also have many physical side effects plus the well known clouding over of the personality and emotions for many people, plus a study I saw last week saying that certain antidepressants in fact didn't have any benefit at all, plus the overprescription of antidepressants to children and to low depression patients who could be treated other ways, YET despite all this we still find a way to get antidepressants to people who need them... but mention cannabis and immediately scenes from reefer madness come to mind and teh possibility that some people will have negative effects means hundreds of thousands of americans are in jail. I'd like to see more equality in how we view pharmaceutical versus non pharmaceutical drugs.
[FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Marek, I might have a Bite Lite around here somewherestay tuned. And, yeah, I am kid's kid and always have been -- except for the fact that I, you know, raised four kids, had jobs, made money for my guru, etc. I don't think I've ever been in any other frame of mind than let's play! This is my burden -- Or gift. You have said that you believe in God. Do you still have some believability in the idea that the reason given for creation was Lila, play? Wouldn't Let's play put you *in tune* with the purpose of creation rather than being a burden? Just asking. I've never been able to quite overcome it, and I'm pretty much unemployable, but I play at playing a real person, so I have not been readily fired from my jobs but probably should never have been hired for half of them. I really hate those meetings where I know I can't shout out a joke from the back of the crowd. I have a severely bitten bottom lip. I remember this meeting with three patent attorneys, a President of a company, and his right hand guy, and then me all on the 40th floor of some Chicago skyscraper. Huge huge room, 30 foot ceiling, wall to wall windows overlooking the city's vistas, and everyone in the room getting, arrrgh!, $500 per hour to be there -- except me. Ya don't waste time with a joke, then, let me tell ya, but I burn, I burn, I burn like Spock in rut to bust out a pun. Just to present an alternative Way to you, I have been in more than my fair share of 40th-floor meetings. I have made jokes in all of them. They kept hiring me. Go figure. I did it in the TMO, too. That is one reason why I have no interest in giving Jerry a hard time. The man was FUNNY. He could crack a joke anytime and get away with it. So could Rama. So can I. It's a matter of 'tude as far as I can tell. If you walk into the room wearing the 'tude that you Really Don't Need These People, and that you can walk out at any time, often they perceive that as competence, or Personal Power. Or whatever they think. I really don't know what they think. All I know is that I have gotten away with Being Myself in most situations in my life, whether it be the uptight, behind-closed-doors meeting rooms of the TMO, or the uptight, behind-closed-doors meeting rooms of IBM. I now find myself working for IBM again, because they just bought the company I have a contract with. So far, I've been getting away with cracking jokes in their meetings, too. Again, just saying. But you, an attorney, have this as your daily fare. How often do you get witty? I somehow suspect that Marek gets witty -- and gets away with it -- more often than you would imagine. Surfer thing. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_li...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:42 AM, boo_lives wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much more common among ffld sidhas than pot. I won't even bother to get into alchohol and the suffering that causes in society and in ffld. Well maybe your friends who see auras ought to go back to the loony bins they obviously escaped from, boo. Who the hell are they to pass judgements on medication which has helped millions? Sal To clarify I'm not saying that anti-depressant medication can't help some people and it's fully up to them to decide what to do. I mentioned the aura readers just because someone else did to put down cannabis and I wanted to say these people see lots of things and you actually shouldn't go by that either way. I wanted to point out that our society is bipolar regarding drugs. Antidepressants help some people, but also have many physical side effects plus the well known clouding over of the personality and emotions for many people, plus a study I saw last week saying that certain antidepressants in fact didn't have any benefit at all, plus the overprescription of antidepressants to children and to low depression patients who could be treated other ways, YET despite all this we still find a way to get antidepressants to people who need them... but mention cannabis and immediately scenes from reefer madness come to mind and teh possibility that some people will have negative effects means hundreds of thousands of americans are in jail. I'd like to see more equality in how we view pharmaceutical versus non pharmaceutical drugs. A better analogy is comparing mood altering drugs to marijuana. Anti-depressants don't alter the mood and are not addicting in that sense. Benzodiazepines like Xanax or Valium are psychoactive drugs that work on the central nervous system, altering mood and behavior. They are usually dispensed in small amounts and are highly addictive. They have their place but certainly should not be legal and freely available. Marijuana I have mixed feelings about. Face it, marijuana makes you stupid. Not many people can use it day in and day out and still function well. I can see some people may get some benefit from it in medical treatment, though there usually is something else available that works as well or better. But the amount of resources that go to combating this drug seems extreme. I tend to favor decriminalizing its use, but I am not happy about it. California is talking about legalizing it and taxing it. I am sure that won't go over well with the feds. And yes, I smoked a few in my day.
[FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
Cool, Edg (as re BiteLite search and find mission). You know, maybe the field of Civil Law is full of tight asses, but humor is such a huge positive in life, and that's true in the courtroom, too; and particularly so when you're in front of a jury. I love jurors to laugh and unburden their hearts a little bit, even moreso when the subject matter of the trial is distasteful or gruesome. Just yesterday I was in court all afternoon with a new-ish judge doing a double misdemeanor calendar call (i.e., she was calling her own court's misdemeanor pretrial cases and the misdemeanor pretrial cases for another judge's courtroom who was unavailable). I was carrying about 30-35 cases myself and there were maybe 90-100 cases called total. Normally, I'd be done by 4:00-4:30, but I didn't get out till 6:00. Everyone was overworked, the court clerk was audibly complaining about having to work so hard and trying to keep up with all the cases (the court clerk makes a running log of all the Court's orders and findings which are printed up and distributed as the minutes for the files), the courtroom was packed with impatient and unhappy misdemeanor defendant's. Every appropriate opportunity I got I'd insert some more-or-less humorous comment into the litany of negotiations, pleas, and continuances. Like you, I was always a wise- ass in school, always getting in trouble for saying the wrong (but funny) thing at the wrong time; but now I find that with a little discretion that wise-ass stuff pays real dividends in the day-in-day- out grind of the job. I kept it as light as the situation allowed and by the end of the calendar everyone was happy to be done and mostly smiling. As to the mental work, for the most part it doesn't burden me internally, but there is a lot of it to do. If you look at my dining room, the table and the floor is loaded with witness files, discovery, and research for a murder trial I start at the end of next month. The trial will last 4-6 weeks and I spend some time with it every evening and each weekend; there's still motions to write, witnesses to locate, problems to anticipate, but I trust that my mind will do what it has to do and when we get to trial I'll be as ready as I need to be. It's mostly automatic and I don't fret too much about it. Meanwhile, I've got two other attempted murders, one kidnapping, one robbery, two attempted robberies, a mayhem, a child molest -- all going to trial this year -- and lots of misdemeanor cases that come in every week, some of which will also end up going to trial. It's more work than I'd choose to take on but it's classic public defending and I get a kick out of doing it, regardless. The one year I did in civil law when I was back in Saint Louis was the unhappiest year of the last 10, and when I got a chance to come back to California and do criminal defense again I was stoked, and remain so. The FF kids who were busted for their grow are down around Chico, so they'll be represented by a public defender down there if they don't get private counsel. I'm in Humboldt County, so there's no way I could help them. Every jurisdiction has its own habits and customs regarding the perennial cases they all deal with. If they were in Humboldt, and they had no prior criminal record (or very little), they'd be given felony probation, maybe a little jail time. The money would be confiscated, of course ($180k is a lot of money), but that would be it. The authorities are more interested in the money than anything else. But, as someone else pointed out, if the Feds get involved (and that money may be the honey that brings them in), then they'll likely do some prison time. ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Marek, I might have a Bite Lite around here somewherestay tuned. And, yeah, I am kid's kid and always have been -- except for the fact that I, you know, raised four kids, had jobs, made money for my guru, etc. I don't think I've ever been in any other frame of mind than let's play! This is my burden -- I've never been able to quite overcome it, and I'm pretty much unemployable, but I play at playing a real person, so I have not been readily fired from my jobs but probably should never have been hired for half of them. I really hate those meetings where I know I can't shout out a joke from the back of the crowd. I have a severely bitten bottom lip. I remember this meeting with three patent attorneys, a President of a company, and his right hand guy, and then me all on the 40th floor of some Chicago skyscraper. Huge huge room, 30 foot ceiling, wall to wall windows overlooking the city's vistas, and everyone in the room getting, arrrgh!, $500 per hour to be there -- except me. Ya don't waste time with a joke, then, let me tell ya, but I burn, I burn, I burn like Spock in rut to bust out a pun. But you, an attorney, have this as
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:34 PM, ruthsimplicity no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Marijuana I have mixed feelings about. Face it, marijuana makes you stupid. Not many people can use it day in and day out and still function well. I can see some people may get some benefit from it in medical treatment, though there usually is something else available that works as well or better. But the amount of resources that go to combating this drug seems extreme. I tend to favor decriminalizing its use, but I am not happy about it. California is talking about legalizing it and taxing it. I am sure that won't go over well with the feds. And yes, I smoked a few in my day. I feelings on the matter. I have extremely mixed feelings about Marijuana. It's not easily detectable in drivers and it does impair driving and other things. The active ingredients in Marijuana accumulate in the body, unlike alcohol. Too much money is spent on drug enforcement of Marijuana. I favor decriminalization of it. I'm not happy about full decriminalization of its use, though, because it's not at all like alcohol. Perhaps making Marijuana a sort of scheduled drug without the need of a doctor's prescription. I have known for years how and why Marijuana got criminalized. But I've also known for years how and why opiates got criminalized. Just because something was criminalized for the wrong reasons doesn't mean that criminal sanctions are wrong. New evidence is revealed in the fullness of time and the march of science. I had one experience with Marijuana. It was not at all pleasant. That experience, however, is not why I am ambivalent about having it decriminalized or not. Much of my negative feelings about Marijuana are the result of close quarter observation of people smoking the weed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... A better analogy is comparing mood altering drugs to marijuana. Anti-depressants don't alter the mood and are not addicting in that sense. Benzodiazepines like Xanax or Valium are psychoactive drugs that work on the central nervous system, altering mood and behavior. They are usually dispensed in small amounts and are highly addictive. They have their place but certainly should not be legal and freely available. Marijuana I have mixed feelings about. Face it,marijuana makes you stupid. This is context dependent and depends on your experience practicing any activity while stoned. Give a neewbie a joint and they will probably have some trouble with the math section of the SATs. (unless that is their thing and they practice math stoned) But in the context of a musical jam the increased connection between kinostetic and auditory channels can boost creativity, just turn on the radio to hear the results. It can make your mind distracted by causing you to hyper focus on sensation. (bedroom boon!) But in the context where this shift is valuable it can be an asset. A tip of the hat to Turq's description of how it shifts thinking. It can deliver a new perspective on thinking. I think it actually brings a bit of the same dissociation that meditation does with the pros and cons of increasing that quality of your mind. This quality is more pronounced with a sativa over indica biased blend. (er...a...or so I'm told...) Not many people can use it day in and day out and still function well. Like many drugs that effect neurotransmitters, regular use flattens the effect. I have known brilliant people in many careers who were daily users. You could never tell if they were stoned. Regular use brings both a tolerance and many synaptic workarounds to allow regular users to function normally. I would say most professionals who are smokers I have known fall into the category of after work smokers. Of course if someone does it all day they had better be in a reggae band! And speaking of Bob Marley, he advocated running and exercise to counter any effects of lethargy from weed. Of course exercise also lifts the lethargy of no exercise too! I don't think wine makes you stupid. But I wouldn't have a glass before tackling the law boards. I can see some people may get some benefit from it in medical treatment, though there usually is something else available that works as well or better. That isn't what I have read. For some people it is the only thing that works. You may know more but this medical party line seems to have some very real counterexamples. I don't think we know enough about pain to claim this yet. The decision should be in the hands of the person in pain. But the amount of resources that go to combating this drug seems extreme. Yes this is abusive use of force on citizens. I tend to favor decriminalizing its use, but I am not happy about it. I favor legalization so it becomes cheap enough to eat. My problem with smoking pot is the smoking. Even the vaporizers effect my lungs for singing unfavorably. (As well as losing some of the most fun macromolecules in cannabis. It isn't only THC for me.) Burning a plant is definitely a primitive delivery system for any drug. We can do better if we would lift the shame ban. With drugs like meth around I am furious that any of our tax dollars go to fighting weed and incarcerating users and destroying families. California is talking about legalizing it and taxing it. I am sure that won't go over well with the feds. This is going to be interesting to see how Obama handles this question. Typically Democrats have to be even tougher on drug enforcement to keep from being labeled soft on crime by Republicans. Obama may be man enough to break this ridiculous cycle. I'm not holding my breath though. (Wow that works on so many levels!) And yes, I smoked a few in my day. I guess with a president who has admitted snorting lines of coke this kind of online revelation isn't a big deal anymore. Of course everything I wrote here is from what I read in magazines. And I am officially vehemently opposed to using any babies for fertilizing marijuana gardens. (It increases the nitrogen too high and makes the plant stringy with loose buds.) wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:42 AM, boo_lives wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much more common among ffld sidhas than pot. I won't even bother to get into alchohol and the suffering that causes in society and in ffld. Well maybe your friends who see auras ought to go back to the loony bins
Re: [FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
For every person that has some new idea about 1000 others on the planet have the same idea about the same time. Of those 1000 about 100 will actually get around to doing something about the idea. Of those maybe 10 will actually get something near completion. Of those 3 will actually complete it. Of those 1 will actually be successful with the product. IOW, there is probably nothing new under the Sun, just implementing it and getting it out at the right time. I guess this hearkens back to probably something MMY said in his teachings that ideas are really just sitting their in the transcendent and we tune into them and make them manifest. This is why I think copyrights are WAY overvalued and have WAY too long a lifetime. Those rules were made by the ignorant. Duveyoung wrote: Vaj, I doubt my game play is that to which you're referring, but can you give me any particulars of this video game of which you've written? My game is played 24/7 by any number of players. You never know when your turn will come, you never know when any other players' turns might come, but all players know what they'll have to do when the challenge whacks ya sudden like. No player ever sees another player playing the game..unless.. My game requires a sacred intent, a magical and whimsical creativity, and STEALTH! And the game NEVER ENDS. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: 5. A game that makes doing samyama fun. Already been made by meditation researchers and being used in some schools. It's a video game that trains attentional skills.
[FairfieldLife] Spin, Spin, Spin from Helicopter Ben
I remember this guy lying before Congress about a year ago that the economy was going to be fine and he was nervous as he did so. So why should we believe him again. Well, it raised the stocks a little. I wouldn't trust the Federal Reserve on anything. In fact we should abolish it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29363747/ How's your Mandarin? Won Ton Amero?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 2:28 PM, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... A better analogy is comparing mood altering drugs to marijuana. Anti-depressants don't alter the mood and are not addicting in that sense. Benzodiazepines like Xanax or Valium are psychoactive drugs that work on the central nervous system, altering mood and behavior. They are usually dispensed in small amounts and are highly addictive. They have their place but certainly should not be legal and freely available. Marijuana I have mixed feelings about. Face it,marijuana makes you stupid. This is context dependent and depends on your experience practicing any activity while stoned. Give a neewbie a joint and they will probably have some trouble with the math section of the SATs. (unless that is their thing and they practice math stoned) But in the context of a musical jam the increased connection between kinostetic and auditory channels can boost creativity, just turn on the radio to hear the results. It can make your mind distracted by causing you to hyper focus on sensation. (bedroom boon!) But in the context where this shift is valuable it can be an asset. This is gratuitous. I've heard this a million times. It is the same litany, pretty much word for word. Practice makes perfect. I can get stoned and act perfectly normal. Nobody is the wiser. I'm not sure if I buy this or not. I would like to see some studies that show this is really the case and not just a stoner telling me it's the case. My observation is that judgement and behavior are impaired, no matter what the experience level with the weed is. I suspect the person is saying that they've accumulated to being stoned so that they don't notice being stoned anymore. But I don't care to debate this issue. I have my vote and I have my campaign contributions to give. I will use them as I desire and see fit.
[FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
. . .there is probably nothing new under the Sun You're rightmore than you know. Over the years, no less than dozens of what I thought were my ideas have been imagined independently and run with by others. I invented a set of eight cubes that had magnets on each face of the cubes. The cubes challenged one to arrange them into a bigger cube if one was able to get the south poles to be abetting north poles. The schema for magnet placement was the key concept of the invention, and it was a very fun puzzle kinetically to mess with. Well, I worked up a prototype and showed it around but everyone (and we're talking ALL the major toy companies) thought it was way too expensive to make. Yet, the next year, BLAMMO, there 'twasright there in the Jacob Javitz convention hall -- done by a mom and popper who'd somehow solved the cost problem and gotten the set into a blister card for about $10 retail -- nice! It's humbling. When I would go to Toy Fair, there would be 1800 mom and pops with their one idea each -- most of them doomed to fail for lack of business skills, but, yep, there would ALWAYS be someone who was hot on one of my concepts and had gotten it to market -- usually in a far better format than I had gotten around to working up. If you really put out to get something on a shelf, you do a lot more thinking about the idea, and naturally, the concept evolves and different ways to package, market, advertise, price, name the product come to the fore -- whereas, for me, the idea might merely be on a list somewhere waiting for me to get passionate enough about it to flesh it out.meanwhile the movement belongs to those who move. The point to underline is that my ideas came to me from out of left field -- I wasn't improving on or fleshing out other ideas I'd come across at Toy Fair. I thought of myself as a pure inventor with no significant impact from the environment, but hey, it sure seems fishy that so many folks get the same ideas at the same time. Ask Alexander Graham Bell or Isaac Newton or Edison -- all of them had huge problems owning concepts that others were working on too. My inventing was more of a calling than a career. I'd get an idea and just have to work it up with duct tape and cardboard to see if it worked. Then, if it did, yep, I'd get visions of grandeur counting my chickens before they'd hatched. Then I'd hit the bricks of the real world and find out how unspecial I really waseven though I had some very original ideas. The truth is that the toy industry is one tough nut to crack, and the invention itself is but the smallest part of success -- business skills are way more important. A very simple toy can cost half a million bucks to get even a small inventory into a warehouse. But, you know me; I'm such a whiny crabbing pity-me victimized mental-case who thinks he's special that, yeah, it pissed me off that others did what I had give up on or had set aside for some nonce. It was my idea, ya see? But, finally, I got over it and realized that if I don't immediately take an idea to fruition, it never really was my idea. If there is a God, hHe sows ideas in many minds like seeds cast widely upon a field. Not all grow. Oy! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: For every person that has some new idea about 1000 others on the planet have the same idea about the same time. Of those 1000 about 100 will actually get around to doing something about the idea. Of those maybe 10 will actually get something near completion. Of those 3 will actually complete it. Of those 1 will actually be successful with the product. IOW, there is probably nothing new under the Sun, just implementing it and getting it out at the right time. I guess this hearkens back to probably something MMY said in his teachings that ideas are really just sitting their in the transcendent and we tune into them and make them manifest. This is why I think copyrights are WAY overvalued and have WAY too long a lifetime. Those rules were made by the ignorant. Duveyoung wrote: Vaj, I doubt my game play is that to which you're referring, but can you give me any particulars of this video game of which you've written? My game is played 24/7 by any number of players. You never know when your turn will come, you never know when any other players' turns might come, but all players know what they'll have to do when the challenge whacks ya sudden like. No player ever sees another player playing the game..unless.. My game requires a sacred intent, a magical and whimsical creativity, and STEALTH! And the game NEVER ENDS. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 11:44 AM, Duveyoung wrote: 5. A game that makes doing samyama fun. Already been made by meditation researchers and being used in some schools. It's a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spin, Spin, Spin from Helicopter Ben
Hey, if the depression really tanks the economy, China will be holding our worthless bonds when we rev up the mint's printing presses. And I'm okay with an across the board devaluation of our currency -- call it a flat tax! It seems to be an equal opportunity menace for alldemocratic, see? The Fed is, like, the true embodiment of the Illuminati, eh? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozg...@... wrote: I remember this guy lying before Congress about a year ago that the economy was going to be fine and he was nervous as he did so. So why should we believe him again. Well, it raised the stocks a little. I wouldn't trust the Federal Reserve on anything. In fact we should abolish it. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29363747/ How's your Mandarin? Won Ton Amero?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: snip Marijuana I have mixed feelings about. Face it,marijuana makes you stupid. This is context dependent and depends on your experience practicing any activity while stoned. Give a neewbie a joint and they will probably have some trouble with the math section of the SATs. (unless that is their thing and they practice math stoned) But in the context of a musical jam the increased connection between kinostetic and auditory channels can boost creativity, just turn on the radio to hear the results. It can make your mind distracted by causing you to hyper focus on sensation. (bedroom boon!) But in the context where this shift is valuable it can be an asset. This is gratuitous. I've heard this a million times. It is the same litany, pretty much word for word. Practice makes perfect. I can get stoned and act perfectly normal. Nobody is the wiser. I'm not sure if I buy this or not. I would like to see some studies that show this is really the case and not just a stoner telling me it's the case. In this case it is a non stoner telling you it is my experience of stoners. We don't know what functions are enhanced or impaired by pot. But in my experience in the tech field with computer programmers, a blanket statement that it makes you stupid is wrong. Many fields have a high number of high functioning users. Equating use with abuse of any drug is an over generalization. I don't think your term gratuitous is context appropriate. Especially after I mentioned its value in the bedroom. If you haven't experienced it you don't know what I am talking about. My observation is that judgement and behavior are impaired, no matter what the experience level with the weed is. Like Jimi Hendrix's playing? Like one out of three computer coders who have to work after 6? Perhaps Bill Maher uses it to write rather than deliver his scripts. But it has values in certain contexts for certain people. All of our brains don't react the same way to any psychoactive drug. This is where blanket use laws fail. I suspect the person is saying that they've accumulated to being stoned so that they don't notice being stoned anymore. I am saying that I can't always tell with certain people. But I don't care to debate this issue. No, you wanted an unopposed last word. Sorry to disappoint you. I have my vote and I have my campaign contributions to give. I will use them as I desire and see fit. This is the same freedom of choice I am advocating for smokers.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Toys, games, puzzles and gizmos (Re: How old is your brain)
Reminds me of the movie A Stroke of Genius which released last week on DVD. It is the true story of the guy who invented the intermittent windshield wiper system and how the auto industry stole it. In the story when he first present it to Ford after he leaves the guy at Ford asks his employees how much does he want? The inventor was seeing dollar signs though and did not sell it to Ford and after a couple of years trying to manufacture it himself unsuccessfully his company folded. From my experience if a big company wants to buy your idea (and Ford actually wanted to come out with the product and not shelve it) take it. This guy's failure was he didn't understand the problems of manufacturing and you've pointed out how expensive it is to create an inventory for even a small product. He did successfully sue the automakers but not after the situation caused him years or heartbreak and family problems. Duveyoung wrote: . . .there is probably nothing new under the Sun You're rightmore than you know. Over the years, no less than dozens of what I thought were my ideas have been imagined independently and run with by others. I invented a set of eight cubes that had magnets on each face of the cubes. The cubes challenged one to arrange them into a bigger cube if one was able to get the south poles to be abetting north poles. The schema for magnet placement was the key concept of the invention, and it was a very fun puzzle kinetically to mess with. Well, I worked up a prototype and showed it around but everyone (and we're talking ALL the major toy companies) thought it was way too expensive to make. Yet, the next year, BLAMMO, there 'twasright there in the Jacob Javitz convention hall -- done by a mom and popper who'd somehow solved the cost problem and gotten the set into a blister card for about $10 retail -- nice! It's humbling. When I would go to Toy Fair, there would be 1800 mom and pops with their one idea each -- most of them doomed to fail for lack of business skills, but, yep, there would ALWAYS be someone who was hot on one of my concepts and had gotten it to market -- usually in a far better format than I had gotten around to working up. If you really put out to get something on a shelf, you do a lot more thinking about the idea, and naturally, the concept evolves and different ways to package, market, advertise, price, name the product come to the fore -- whereas, for me, the idea might merely be on a list somewhere waiting for me to get passionate enough about it to flesh it out.meanwhile the movement belongs to those who move. The point to underline is that my ideas came to me from out of left field -- I wasn't improving on or fleshing out other ideas I'd come across at Toy Fair. I thought of myself as a pure inventor with no significant impact from the environment, but hey, it sure seems fishy that so many folks get the same ideas at the same time. Ask Alexander Graham Bell or Isaac Newton or Edison -- all of them had huge problems owning concepts that others were working on too. My inventing was more of a calling than a career. I'd get an idea and just have to work it up with duct tape and cardboard to see if it worked. Then, if it did, yep, I'd get visions of grandeur counting my chickens before they'd hatched. Then I'd hit the bricks of the real world and find out how unspecial I really waseven though I had some very original ideas. The truth is that the toy industry is one tough nut to crack, and the invention itself is but the smallest part of success -- business skills are way more important. A very simple toy can cost half a million bucks to get even a small inventory into a warehouse. But, you know me; I'm such a whiny crabbing pity-me victimized mental-case who thinks he's special that, yeah, it pissed me off that others did what I had give up on or had set aside for some nonce. It was my idea, ya see? But, finally, I got over it and realized that if I don't immediately take an idea to fruition, it never really was my idea. If there is a God, hHe sows ideas in many minds like seeds cast widely upon a field. Not all grow. Oy! Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga Vasishtha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: The will of the supreme being cannot be transgressed. It is his will that I should be like this and the others should be as they are. One cannot fathom nor measure what has to be. In accordance with the nature of each being, that which is to be comes to be. This is Bhusunda (a very very long-lived crow) speaking: http://snipurl.com/cktgh [books_google_com]
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: . You can experience some real social peak experiences that celebration cakes do not provide. (Invincibility to Uruguay...) Quote of the day. Great points Curtis! BTW, ever delighted in the sent-from-heaven complexity of a Belgium Trappist Monk ale like Chimay or Westmalle? It really is damn near a religious experience!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Bob: Yearbook Page at MUM LIbrary
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal l.shad...@... wrote: On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:07 PM, bob_brigante no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman * Deeppack probably did teach or guest lecture a few times at MIU before he bailed in the early 90s, which does qualify him for his listing as parttime faculty. Yes. He was my teacher, as were the other profs at MIU. You see I received continuing education course credits whenever and wherever I went on a residence course or WPA. Remember those credits?I never figured out what MIU did with those credits besides puff up their numbers. I wonder if anyone ever attempted to redeem those credits at a college or grad school? Cal State LA had 3 credits from MIU in my file for attending TM Teacher Training in August 1970, which was, of course, even before MIU opened. I didn't need the credits for anything to get my 1981 bachelor's from CSULA, but the registrar did not have a problem with noting these transfer credits in my file.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga Vasishtha
On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:29 PM, yifuxero wrote: --Right! Being attacked by muggers? No problem. What will be, will be. Home invaders stealing your goods? Again, no problem. Whatever...what will be, will be! Esp. when you have replacement value on your homeowners!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Here's some interesting documents for you Charlie Lutes fans...
Dear All: This morning a Google search landed me on a website when looking for something entirely different. The website was a tribute to Charlie Lutes by Vincent J. Daczynski (the man who is the successor trustee indicated in the 2002 document among those found by this thread's originator). Vincent had an acute heart condition and called on his dear friend Charlie: http://www.amazingabilities.com/charlie11a.html It appears that the closeness of Daczynski and the Lutes family explains his successor trusteeship. Cam --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcg...@... wrote: Maricopa county's recorder's office lists all documents on the internet: ... http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/20020451529.pdf
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:34 PM, ruthsimplicity wrote: A better analogy is comparing mood altering drugs to marijuana. Anti-depressants don't alter the mood and are not addicting in that sense. Benzodiazepines like Xanax or Valium are psychoactive drugs that work on the central nervous system, altering mood and behavior. They are usually dispensed in small amounts and are highly addictive. They have their place but certainly should not be legal and freely available. Marijuana I have mixed feelings about. Face it, marijuana makes you stupid. Not many people can use it day in and day out and still function well. I can see some people may get some benefit from it in medical treatment, though there usually is something else available that works as well or better. But the amount of resources that go to combating this drug seems extreme. I tend to favor decriminalizing its use, but I am not happy about it. California is talking about legalizing it and taxing it. I am sure that won't go over well with the feds. And yes, I smoked a few in my day. Well not necessarily stupid, but it certainly predisposes you to, uh, a different style of functioning. If you've ever seen PET cerebral perfusion studies done across time on a marijuana smoker, it looks like someone took an eraser and erased parts of the frontal lobes. A kinda swiss cheese appearance, if you will. Ayurveda claims to be able to help in this regard. I remember eating dinner with a particular guru and the women arranged all of our large round plates so that food on the opposite side of the plate, was always it's antidote. That way, if you ever ate anything that didn't agree with you, you just ate it's opposite. Same with hooch, it's opposite is acorus calamus (calamus root). It is alleged to remove most of the negative side effects. Calamus root, which contains asarone, is taken, a red-hot gold needle inserted and the small amount of powder added to honey, and then added to a mother's breast milk in many upper-caste Indian homes with their newborns. It is believed to awaken higher intelligence. Asarone is a precurser of TMA-2, which is many times more potent than mescaline. Of course it's only available in extremely small quantities as given.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: This is gratuitous. I've heard this a million times. It is the same litany, pretty much word for word. Practice makes perfect. I can get stoned and act perfectly normal. Nobody is the wiser. I'm not sure if I buy this or not. I would like to see some studies that show this is really the case and not just a stoner telling me it's the case. I would agree with you about perfectly normal. But the word you're searching for is to maintain. Some can maintain better than others, just as some on this forum can rein in their anger and not lash out, and others can't. It's a control issue, as I wrote about once using martial arts and sports metaphors. That said, I was not reassured by stories wafting down the hill from Los Alamos of people having found roaches (and not the insect kind) in the nuclear reactor room. That's not maintaining, that's being an idiot, and those people should be tracked down and moved into a job in which the safety of others does not depend on them. The four physicists I knew who worked at that lab, and who all smoked, agreed with me completely. They smoked at home. In this case it is a non stoner telling you it is my experience of stoners. We don't know what functions are enhanced or impaired by pot. But in my experience in the tech field with computer programmers, a blanket statement that it makes you stupid is wrong. Many fields have a high number of high functioning users. Including religion and alternative spirituality and politics. Equating use with abuse of any drug is an over generalization. I don't think your term gratuitous is context appropriate. Especially after I mentioned its value in the bedroom. If you haven't experienced it you don't know what I am talking about. A good point. There are some here who believe that bedrooms are only to sleep in. :-) There is a testable lengthening of reaction time in most pot users. But not all. Still, this occurs in a high enough percentage of users that I'd go on record as saying they should not drive, fly planes, or perform any activity that could injure other people. That said, some of the prescription medicines that commercial pilots are allowed to take impair their reaction time just as much, so go figure. The difference is that the users of the prescription medicines have not been systematically demonized for decades. I am with Curtis in being down on meth. And heroin. And, for me, cocaine. I've seen a number of lives destroyed by cocaine. But marijuana and some of the hallucinogens -- used wisely -- I do not think that they should be classed with the other three. Instead, they should be handled with tolerance and with education. Last time I was in Amsterdam (some years ago now), I saw a couple of fairly young (20s) tourists buying some shrooms. They were in a convenience store, and the psychedelic mushrooms were in the fridge, in shrinkwrap. Each was labeled as to its potency, the likely duration of the trip, and all possible side effects. The couple selected one of the less potent brands of shrooms and walked to the counter with them. The proprietor of the convenience store looked at the couple, noted what they had selected, and refused to sell it to them until he had given them a five- minute talk about what to expect, and what to do if they found themselves in any way scared or having a bad trip. I thought that this was fairly responsible vending of a hallucinogenic substance. This would not have happened if the shrooms had been made illegal. There would have been at best a five- second furtive transaction in a back alley, with only the shrooms changing hands, and none of the knowledge.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, geezerfreak geezerfr...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: . You can experience some real social peak experiences that celebration cakes do not provide. (Invincibility to Uruguay...) Quote of the day. Great points Curtis! BTW, ever delighted in the sent-from-heaven complexity of a Belgium Trappist Monk ale like Chimay or Westmalle? It really is damn near a religious experience! Oh yeah. complex and satisfying like liquid bread! And with Hops as a cousin to cannabis who knows which part the magic brew gives it the magic! I favor domestic versions for the freshness but I'm a micro brew man.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Pot has been used for thousands of years and has never been anything but a boon to any culture -- until Hearst et al. Actually, research being done at Columbia University for the last 10 years shows that cannabis use (yes plain old marijuana) increases the likelihood of developing psychosis by ten fold. I have heard presentations by these drs (presented at the annual Schizophrenia Research Conference in April 2008) and it is no joke. Even a single use can trigger psychosis and schizophrenia. I have also met a few young adults with schizophrenia or talked with their parents - kids who developed it after using marijuana just once or twice, say on their spring break from freshman year of college. Even after taking in to account that schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders often develop at that age range, there seems to be quite good evidence of the increased risk involved. A tenfold (not 10%) increase is a lot. Having seen what schizophrenia has done to some of these kids, well, it seems like a big risk to take. I don't mean to sound like a killjoy, but this is the research coming out, good research, not TMO wishful thinking. To me this illegality of weed issue is such a disconnect. I can't get my head around it. How can ANYONE think that pot is anywhere near as harmful as alcohol or tobacco use when these two substances are well known to kill hundreds of thousands of people every year? I mean, it's one thing to speak of the potency of Hearst's propaganda, but when the truth is right there for all the world to see and yet it is denied, it blows me away. It is absolutely the commonest experience for almost anyone to have seen a homeless person with their brown paper bag cheap wine sitting on some stoop in a haze, or we've all seen a person smoking a cigarette and coughing a lung up at the same time. Who doesn't know these end results that usage can create in some lives? Yet, anyone seen smoking a joint in a public place will be thought to be some criminal-at-large who might do anything any second and should be feared and shamed and abused in any way possible. I remember living in Arcata, CA for a year, and it was hippy-ville central. Tie dyes. Granny dresses. The whole magilla. Every Saturday they'd have the farmer's market, and there'd be pot smoke easily smelled everywhere -- even some folks openly toking upcops ignoring it. I was shocked. Today, I understand that this is the case in many other venues now in CA. It's about time. I think the pot heads in Arcata need to learn something from the Gay Pride movement in SF -- make it a regionally identified issue and move now, act up, get in faces, be outrageous, flagrant, and snotty about it. To hell with anymore submissioning to haughty moralists with their atomic tsk-tskings. Have a pot parade like a gay pride parade with giant hookas, boxcar sized blunts, etc. If they legalize it in CA, I think it'd be a tipping point for the whole world. Amsterdam's example is just not enough, but all of California?yeah, now ya gots yourself a tipper. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:42 AM, boo_lives wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much more common among ffld sidhas than pot. I won't even bother to get into alchohol and the suffering that causes in society and in ffld. Well maybe your friends who see auras ought to go back to the loony bins they obviously escaped from, boo. Who the hell are they to pass judgements on medication which has helped millions? Sal To clarify I'm not saying that anti-depressant medication can't help some people and it's fully up to them to decide what to do. I mentioned the aura readers just because someone else did to put down cannabis and I wanted to say these people see lots of things and you actually shouldn't go by that either way. I wanted to point out that our society is bipolar regarding drugs. Antidepressants help some people, but also have many physical side effects plus the well known clouding over of the personality and emotions for many people, plus a study I saw last week saying that certain antidepressants in fact didn't have any benefit at all, plus the overprescription of antidepressants to children and to low depression patients who could be treated other ways, YET despite all this we still find a way to get antidepressants to people who need them... but mention cannabis and immediately scenes from reefer madness come to mind and teh possibility that some people will
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga Vasishtha
The Devas protect us Buddhists. Since we are they. With masks. - Original Message - From: emptybill To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Yoga Vasishtha Yep, it's the supreme being who did it. It was His fault, not mine. The gunas are run by Ishvara and in all cases beings follow their own nature - all at the command of the One. This is why we need the idea of a cosmic ruler - so we can remain blameless. Those poor Buddhists. They don't have any karmic dispensation like we do. They can't say god made me do it because for them karma rules all. To bad, they can only blame themselves. Of course they don't have a self so in the end it all just happens on its own. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: The will of the supreme being cannot be transgressed. It is his will that I should be like this and the others should be as they are. One cannot fathom nor measure what has to be. In accordance with the nature of each being, that which is to be comes to be.
[FairfieldLife] 'Iran's War on Toads?'
Toads the latest enemy in Iran's war on drugs Addicts rolling and smoking skins, says doctor Robert Tait guardian.co.uk, Monday 16 February 2009 17.27 GMT Article history Opium, heroin and hashish have long been the targets of Iran's war on drugs. Now officials have turned their attention to a dangerous new source of substance abuse: toads. Experts say addicts have begun breeding toads for the purpose of rolling their dried skins inside cigarettes. Smoking them releases potentially addictive hallucinations, which are produced by a poisonous chemical normally used by the amphibians as a weapon against prey and predators. Dr Azarakhsh Mokri, of Iran's national centre of addiction studies, said action was needed to combat toad abuse in a country identified by the UN as having the highest rate of opiate abuse in the world. He did not specify the species involved. Any substance which has abusive potential should be subject to treatment and preventive measures, he told Iranian news agency ISNA. The existence of toad abuse does not mean that the toad has overwhelmed the country but it does mean we should be prepared for prevention against abuse of such kind and recognise it in order to practice treatment for addiction to it. There should be a special treatment protocol and experienced experts for any kind of drug abuse. Toad skin is the latest trend in a changing pattern of addiction in Iran. In recent years traditional substances have been supplemented by industrially produced chemicals such as ecstasy and concentrated heroin. The two most common new drugs are heroin variants known as crystal and crack, which can be processed to 95% purity and have caused a spate of fatal overdoses. Iran's chief police officer, General Esmail Ahmadi-Moqaddam, has said officers are ill-equipped to combat industrially produced chemical drugs, even though the country spends an estimated £7.7bn a year fighting traffickers and treating addicts. Instead, police have intensified their efforts against heroin and opium, which is smuggled in from Afghanistan. This week, officers in the central province of Qom discovered 282.5kg of opium hidden in the stomachs of 17 camels that had been transported in vans from near the Afghan border. Agents had been alerted by the sudden sale of cheap camel meat, which is rare in Iran. The UN Office on Drugs and Crime has estimated that more than 4 million of Iran's 70 million people are addicted to drugs. The government puts the figure at 1.2 million addicts and 700,000 recreational users. Some 3,500 Iranian police and military personnel have been killed in armed clashes with drug traffickers since 1979.
[FairfieldLife] Mysticism and Self Realisation
Mysticism and Self Realisation Hello, thought I would pop in for my last annual visit to this happy hunting ground for good will and peace to all mankind. I shall be kicking the bucket soon so I thought I would say cheerio. So, a last message from a weasoned world weary old fart If a newbie came and told me that he or she was interested in mysticism and seeking the realisation of the SELF, then my advice to them would be DON'T. Just in case they find it. Or if they did get involved, and if they did happened to find it (which is plainly very rare anyway) then my advice to them would be never ever talk about it. But as we are best loved here for keeping it short then I will leave it at that. Keep off drugs, keep the wolves from your door and keep the woman in your bed, and keep smiling. Dick.
[FairfieldLife] 'Iran's Hashish Highway'
30 tons of drugs seized in Persian Gulf’s ‘Hash Highway’ By Sandra Jontz, Stars and Stripes Mideast edition, Thursday, July 17, 2008 Coalition warships in the Persian Gulf have seized 30 tons of illegal drugs over the past five months in international waters that military officials have dubbed the Hash Highway, according to U.S. Navy officials. The seizures, carried out mostly by the British navy, have cut off a money supply that possibly funded insurgent efforts in Afghanistan, Commodore Keith Winstanley, commander of Royal Navy forces in the region, said in the press statement. The scourge of illegal drugs are one of the gravest threats to the long term security of Afghanistan, and a vital source of funding for the Taliban warlords who seek violence against Afghan, Coalition and NATO forces, Winstanley said. Our mission in Afghanistan is one of absolute importance, and by seizing these drugs we have dealt a significant blow to the illegal trade. The narcotics were seized from vessels sailing primarily in the Gulf of Oman, said U.S. Navy Lt. Stephanie Murdock, a spokeswoman with the Navy’s 5th Fleet, based in Manama, Bahrain. The vessels hailed from many countries in the region, and the destination of the drugs is not known, Murdock said in a phone interview. The countries [the vessels] came from are all over the region, and not necessarily from any one country per se, she said. We haven’t identified any one country in particular. It’s an overarching problem in the area. Narcotics seized included hashish, opiates, cocaine and amphetamines, according to a Combined Maritime Forces press release. Afghanistan is the world’s biggest opium producer, and the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime reported last month that the country also appears to have become the world’s top grower of cannabis, overtaking Morocco, according to The Associated Press. The resin from cannabis is molded to create hashish. UNODC estimates that some 170,000 acres of cannabis were grown in Afghanistan last year, up from 120,000 acres in 2006, The AP reported.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
It seems those who speak do not know while those who know do not speak. But some nice words.
[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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[FairfieldLife] Re: A timely message from DR. GIRISH VARMA
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 guyfawke...@... wrote: As I've written mucho times, about $500 million has been transferred from the Maharishi Global Development Fund to TMO offshore bank acc'ts over the past 8 yrs or so. References are required. Can you point us to all public sources of information on this please? I want to see the figures and do my own sums. The thing to consider is that there is no public record of the allocation of any of those funds. It should not require chasing. Non-profits as a common best practices standard observe transparency. For the tip of the iceberg see guidestar.org, you can register free, search Maharishi Global Development Fund, 2006 (last year available), page 20 of that required federal filing shows $38 million dollars to a Channell Islands trust, not an Indian or US trust. Offshore trusts prevent scrutiny and can avoid regulations associated with being a non profit.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mysticism and Self Realisation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Richardson somerse...@... wrote: Hello, thought I would pop in for my last annual visit to this happy hunting ground for good will and peace to all mankind. I shall be kicking the bucket soon so I thought I would say cheerio. If that is true, happy trails Dick. I hope you have your loved ones close. So, a last message from a weasoned world weary old fart If a newbie came and told me that he or she was interested in mysticism and seeking the realisation of the SELF, then my advice to them would be DON'T. Just in case they find it. Or if they did get involved, and if they did happened to find it (which is plainly very rare anyway) then my advice to them would be never ever talk about it. But as we are best loved here for keeping it short then I will leave it at that. Keep off drugs, keep the wolves from your door and keep the woman in your bed, and keep smiling. Dick.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 waybac...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Pot has been used for thousands of years and has never been anything but a boon to any culture -- until Hearst et al. Actually, research being done at Columbia University for the last 10 years shows that cannabis use (yes plain old marijuana) increases the likelihood of developing psychosis by ten fold. Add this info to the list of reasons for legalization or decriminalization. In Amsterdam the percent of young people smoking easily available weed is less than kids in the US. The health risks can be handled much better once we free the money from law enforcement and put it into research and education. I wonder if anyone has studied the catastrophic effects of incarceration on the the mental health of young people. I have heard presentations by these drs (presented at the annual Schizophrenia Research Conference in April 2008) and it is no joke. Even a single use can trigger psychosis and schizophrenia. I have also met a few young adults with schizophrenia or talked with their parents - kids who developed it after using marijuana just once or twice, say on their spring break from freshman year of college. Even after taking in to account that schizophrenia and other psychotic disorders often develop at that age range, there seems to be quite good evidence of the increased risk involved. A tenfold (not 10%) increase is a lot. Having seen what schizophrenia has done to some of these kids, well, it seems like a big risk to take. I don't mean to sound like a killjoy, but this is the research coming out, good research, not TMO wishful thinking. To me this illegality of weed issue is such a disconnect. I can't get my head around it. How can ANYONE think that pot is anywhere near as harmful as alcohol or tobacco use when these two substances are well known to kill hundreds of thousands of people every year? I mean, it's one thing to speak of the potency of Hearst's propaganda, but when the truth is right there for all the world to see and yet it is denied, it blows me away. It is absolutely the commonest experience for almost anyone to have seen a homeless person with their brown paper bag cheap wine sitting on some stoop in a haze, or we've all seen a person smoking a cigarette and coughing a lung up at the same time. Who doesn't know these end results that usage can create in some lives? Yet, anyone seen smoking a joint in a public place will be thought to be some criminal-at-large who might do anything any second and should be feared and shamed and abused in any way possible. I remember living in Arcata, CA for a year, and it was hippy-ville central. Tie dyes. Granny dresses. The whole magilla. Every Saturday they'd have the farmer's market, and there'd be pot smoke easily smelled everywhere -- even some folks openly toking upcops ignoring it. I was shocked. Today, I understand that this is the case in many other venues now in CA. It's about time. I think the pot heads in Arcata need to learn something from the Gay Pride movement in SF -- make it a regionally identified issue and move now, act up, get in faces, be outrageous, flagrant, and snotty about it. To hell with anymore submissioning to haughty moralists with their atomic tsk-tskings. Have a pot parade like a gay pride parade with giant hookas, boxcar sized blunts, etc. If they legalize it in CA, I think it'd be a tipping point for the whole world. Amsterdam's example is just not enough, but all of California?yeah, now ya gots yourself a tipper. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:42 AM, boo_lives wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much more common among ffld sidhas than pot. I won't even bother to get into alchohol and the suffering that causes in society and in ffld. Well maybe your friends who see auras ought to go back to the loony bins they obviously escaped from, boo. Who the hell are they to pass judgements on medication which has helped millions? Sal To clarify I'm not saying that anti-depressant medication can't help some people and it's fully up to them to decide what to do. I mentioned the aura readers just because someone else did to put down cannabis and I wanted to say these people see lots of things and you actually shouldn't go by that either way. I wanted to point out that our society is bipolar regarding drugs. Antidepressants help some people, but
[FairfieldLife] Re: Several Maharishi Graduates Busted For Growing Pot
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, boo_lives boo_lives@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:42 AM, boo_lives wrote: People I know who see auras all say that anti-depressants are about the worst drug to take, and no-one is in jail for taking and selling antidepressants, and anti-depressants are much more common among ffld sidhas than pot. I won't even bother to get into alchohol and the suffering that causes in society and in ffld. Well maybe your friends who see auras ought to go back to the loony bins they obviously escaped from, boo. Who the hell are they to pass judgements on medication which has helped millions? Sal To clarify I'm not saying that anti-depressant medication can't help some people and it's fully up to them to decide what to do. I mentioned the aura readers just because someone else did to put down cannabis and I wanted to say these people see lots of things and you actually shouldn't go by that either way. I wanted to point out that our society is bipolar regarding drugs. Antidepressants help some people, but also have many physical side effects plus the well known clouding over of the personality and emotions for many people, plus a study I saw last week saying that certain antidepressants in fact didn't have any benefit at all, plus the overprescription of antidepressants to children and to low depression patients who could be treated other ways, YET despite all this we still find a way to get antidepressants to people who need them... but mention cannabis and immediately scenes from reefer madness come to mind and teh possibility that some people will have negative effects means hundreds of thousands of americans are in jail. I'd like to see more equality in how we view pharmaceutical versus non pharmaceutical drugs. A better analogy is comparing mood altering drugs to marijuana. Anti-depressants don't alter the mood and are not addicting in that sense. Benzodiazepines like Xanax or Valium are psychoactive drugs that work on the central nervous system, altering mood and behavior. They are usually dispensed in small amounts and are highly addictive. They have their place but certainly should not be legal and freely available. Marijuana I have mixed feelings about. Face it, marijuana makes you stupid. Not many people can use it day in and day out and still function well. I can see some people may get some benefit from it in medical treatment, though there usually is something else available that works as well or better. But the amount of resources that go to combating this drug seems extreme. I tend to favor decriminalizing its use, but I am not happy about it. California is talking about legalizing it and taxing it. I am sure that won't go over well with the feds. And yes, I smoked a few in my day. The Feds are no longer prosecuting any cases in California. The Obama administration has ceased this practice, and is respecting the vote to decriminalize marijuana in California. Marijuana is much less harmful than alchohol. It can be used as an anti-depressent, and for many other ailments. The drug companies don't want it legalized, because they will lose money, as people switch to this more natural way to rise above depression. Marijuana has an aphrodisiac effect on most people. Marijuana is associated with Shiva, among the Sadhus of India. No one has ever over-dosed on marijuana. Reagan had a thing against the hippies, and the 'counter-culture; And the corporate-controlled media, went along, with brain-washing people concerning marijuana... Because people can grow marijuana, the drug companies and the government would not make as much money, on it, as they do producing chemicals... There are many rumors and innuendos concerning marijuana... Like any womanly herbal remedy, she is mysterious, and subtle. Mary Jane, Ganja, Buddha are some common street terms for marijuana. The Rastafarian Tribe of Jamaica, believes marijuana is a sacrament and call it Jah. R.g.
