[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
pravRttyaalokanyaasaat suukSmavyavahitaviprakRSTajñaanam pravRtti+aaloka-nyaasaat suukSma-vyavahita-viprakRSTa-jñaanam Knowledge of the small, the hidden or the distant by directing the light ofsuperphysical faculty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: I'n not at all sure about it, but I think inner light is rather III 25 (26 in some editions), which Shearer translates like this: By directing the inner light* we can see what is subtle, hidden from view or far away. * pravRtti-aaloka -- card --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: Card, is this the same as being used in the sidhi programme, (inner light)? Looks like it is from its placement. http://yogasutrastudy.info/yoga-sutra-translations/ysp-sutras3-21-3-40/ Sutra III.32 #2350;#2370;#2352;#2381;#2343;#2332;#2381;#2351;#2379;#2340;#\ 2367;#2359;#2367; #2360;#2367;#2342;#2381;#2343;#2342;#2352;#2381;#2358;#2344;#\ 2350;#2381;#2405;#2409;#2408;#2405; mUrdhajyothiShi siddhadarshanam [HA]: (By Practicing Samyama) On The Coronal Light, Siddhas Can Be Seen. [IT]: (33): (By performing Samyama) on the light under the crown of the head vision of perfected Beings. [VH]: On the light on the top of the head vision of the perfected ones. [BM]: From perfect discipline of the light in the head, one gets a vision of the perfected beings. [SS]: (33): By samyama on the light at the crown of the head (sahasrara chakra), visions of masters and adepts are obtained. [SP]: (33) By making samyama on the radiance within the back of the head, one becomes able to see the celestial beings. [SV]: (33): On the light emanating from the top of the head sight of the Siddhas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: pravRttyaalokanyaasaat suukSmavyavahitaviprakRSTajñaanam pravRtti+aaloka-nyaasaat suukSma-vyavahita-viprakRSTa-jñaanam Knowledge of the small, the hidden or the distant by directing the light ofsuperphysical faculty. BhojavRtti: http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8524215302/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/66867356@N02/8524215522/in/photostream/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol
No, some of Barry's former posts are probably correct, in that TM itself is a small matter, that contrary to what Hagelin and Lynch claim, few people are interested in, that it is a dying movement - it just irritates me that Lynch and cronies are attempting to defraud a whole new generation of marks. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol The only thing to add, in good conscience, is that the TM bashers are drying up on here, so this may not be the fertile field, for practice, that it once was. Better to find another obsessive - Maybe you and Bee could put together your own yahoo forum, attracting millions, no doubt. With your one pointed focus on the ills of the Maharishi and the TMO, and Barry's bilious outlook on life, you'll be in business in no time!! You could call it, Two little pricks, and the TM balloon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: Exactly. For one thing, everyone who does TM eventually dies. 100% fatality rate. And there's your foot in the door - You could channel all those who have passed away, and are *still pissed off*, and want to sue the TMO, from the grave - Defendant by proxy, and lawyer, all in one!! Play your cards right, and this could go on for *lifetimes*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: If you want to ignore the ill effects of TM that we all know about and people like you ignore, then enjoy your ignorance. From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: If Oz was as responsible in his touting of TM as he is of other herbs, drugs and procedures where he gives both the pros and cons, he would be giving both sides. In fairness, he may not know the crap the TMO does, and he certainly may not know what Marshy was. It's a relaxation technique. That's it's primary purpose. And I am certain that you would find fault in any discussion that did not arrive at what you would consider to be the correct conclusions. Let's examine the modalities you recommend, although I can't even remember what they are. Massage maybe. Let's take massage. What do you suppose would be the negative effects of massage, or mindfulness, or any of the other programs you recommend. Just for fun, take a shot at those first. I'll wait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: No, some of Barry's former posts are probably correct, in that TM itself is a small matter, that contrary to what Hagelin and Lynch claim, few people are interested in, that it is a dying movement - it just irritates me that Lynch and cronies are attempting to defraud a whole new generation of marks. I think what Jimbo means by drying up is that those of us who have any brains have stopped treating the diehard TM-defenders here as if they were worth reply- ing to, or even reading, unless we see them quoted in posts like this one. Having nothing to say on their own, they *live* to draw people into confrontations with them, so that they can parrot the things they've been taught to parrot about TM and Maharishi, and thus feel as if they're doing something dharmic, or that they, in fact, have any meaningful existence. I don't know about you, Michael, but I don't believe it is even *possible* to nudge the diehards in the direction of accepting the real nature of the organization they're defending. Too much of their own egos is attached to the notion of I'm too smart to ever have been deceived by a cult to even utter the C-word. And too much of their self- esteem and self-image is attached to how other diehards see them to ever deviate from the Dogma Dharma. So I limit myself these days to poking subtle fun at them to see how they'll react, as I did by posting the sheep dip photo in response to the Holy dip line being used in a TMO propaganda piece. Interestingly enough, they *do* seem to always react -- whether I poke fun at them or whether I do not. Again, I suspect this has more to do with not having anything of their own to say than anything else. Caught in reactive mode, they NEED someone or something to react TO. Cool, I guess. I consider them my own private wind-up toys, and from time to time continue to wind them up. As for the TMO and its future, as you say I don't believe that it has much of one. It really CAN'T sell its products directly to end users any more, because NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THEM. Even casual observers who might be interested in meditation have figured out that TM is the *least* hip form of meditation in the marketplace, while being by far the most expensive. So the TMO follows the lead established by Maharishi, and doesn't even bother trying to market to end users any more. Their entire pitch is to governments and institutions and wealthy individuals, hoping to lure them into contributing to a worthy cause so that people at risk can be taught TM in their names. And such a pitch will work for them...for a while. It has certainly worked for the Christian organizations who have used Help us save orphans in Africa and similar dodges to beg for donations for so many years. If that's the way they want to present themselves to the world while pocketing most of the monies raised, I say let them. Karma, dudes. The only thing that still causes me to roll my eyes are the head-in-the-sand levels of DENIAL still clung to by people who claim to have had their creative intelligence enhanced by TM all these years. But again, if that's the way they wish to be perceived by the world, let them. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol The only thing to add, in good conscience, is that the TM bashers are drying up on here, so this may not be the fertile field, for practice, that it once was. Better to find another obsessive - Maybe you and Bee could put together your own yahoo forum, attracting millions, no doubt. With your one pointed focus on the ills of the Maharishi and the TMO, and Barry's bilious outlook on life, you'll be in business in no time!! You could call it, Two little pricks, and the TM balloon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Exactly. For one thing, everyone who does TM eventually dies. 100% fatality rate. And there's your foot in the door - You could channel all those who have passed away, and are *still pissed off*, and want to sue the TMO, from the grave - Defendant by proxy, and lawyer, all in one!! Play your cards right, and this could go on for *lifetimes*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: If you want to ignore the ill effects of TM that we all know about and people like you ignore, then enjoy your ignorance. From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: If Oz was as responsible in his touting of TM as he is of other herbs, drugs and procedures
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already that warm. That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia. Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not so much materialism and spirituality. Or maybe the spiritual folks will come out on the winning side anyway. On 03/01/2013 12:03 PM, Share Long wrote: Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to prakriti. My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not. BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day. I think the ringing in ears decreased some. Thanks for tip. And I thought FF had changeable weather! One learns to layer clothing. About materialism and spirituality: some days the most concrete aspects of earthly life are also the most divine (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? On 03/01/2013 02:48 AM, navashok wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: You mean the monsoon season? Today in California it was winter overnight, spring in the morning, summer in the afternoon and fall in the evening. :-D I found the tape. I need to digitize it so it's easier to find sections and EQ it better. Om Rama Krisna Hari is for pitta but may also be tridoshic. Do you know why this is so? Does it have anything to do with the deities, like Vishnu usually being associated with water, Devi with fire etc. or is it purely phonetic? Btw. I'm samadosha, last time they checked (which is long time ago) A bit of both since the deities are associated with the elements and their names create the effect. I recall the goal in ayurveda was to function samadosha but now the prevailing thought is to return you to your constitution (prakrati).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work
Thanks again Judy. Yeah I see what you mean about misinterpreting what the nurse said. Anyway, I'm doing what I can this weekend to strengthen my immune system and keep my sinuses clear. Will make appt with new doc tomorrow. The nice thing about an initial consult is that it allows for a lot of time to ask questions and bring up concerns. Also she went to MIU so is probably pretty aware of alternative modalities. From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 12:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Hey Judy, thanks for the feedback. Yeah, when the nurse said they give antibiotic just in case it's a bacterial infection that was the final straw. It shouldn't have been. A bacterial infection of the inner ear is the most likely to result in very serious complications, including meningitis. To make sure this is clear: Just in case it's a bacterial infection means Because if your dizziness is being caused by a bacterial infection, we want to knock it out *fast* before any of the serious complications have a chance to develop. We can't take the chance that there's a different cause. You've badly misinterpreted the Just in case, in other words. My guess is that whoever you consult, if they're a reputable medical practitioner, is going to recommend the same treatment. And if you were to take the entire course of amoxicillin and it didn't get rid of the dizziness, it still wouldn't be a reason to get a second opinion. It would just mean, as raunchy pointed out, that the most immediately dangerous cause of your dizziness had been ruled out. Because I know about the development of resistant bacteria The development of resistant bacteria is NOT a reason not to take an antibiotic for an inner ear infection. It IS a reason to finish the prescription even if you're feeling better. and also the killing of good bacteria in gut. This is distinctly possible, which is why you should take something probiotic (such as yogurt with active cultures) while you're taking the antibiotic. You said you didn't like the side effects. What were they? You should have called the doctor and reported them rather than not taking any more of the antibiotic on your own hook. That's something you should leave up to the doctor. The losses seem bigger than the gains. You aren't in a position to judge that, Share. If you were to develop meningitis because you didn't take the amoxicillin long enough to kill the infection, that would be a much bigger loss than diarrhea. Anyway, the dizzyness comes and goes, another reason to question amoxy's effectiveness, Well, no, it's not, not if you didn't take the full course that was prescribed. As I pointed out, you had said the dizziness was improving, but then you stopped taking the amoxicillin. and is unpredictable except for putting my head down. That's sure to bring it on. Unless it gets better this weekend, I'm going to get a second opinion. You might not have needed any additional medical attention if you'd continued to take the antibiotic. Be sure to tell whoever you consult that you took only two doses of the amoxicillin. But by all means get it treated properly, ASAP. An inner ear infection is nothing to fool around with. From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 8:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The science of how child abuse and cult abuse work  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: (snip) But the dizzyness just started on Feb 16. Got antibiotic for it. Took 2 doses. Didn't like side effects. It's this kind of ignorant, irresponsible abuse of antibiotics that contributes to the development of bacteria that are *resistant* to antibiotics, which endangers everybody. If the side effects are really intolerable, call your doctor and see if there's a different one that would be just as effective. But earlier you said you stopped taking the amoxicillin because the dizziness had improved. You should never, *ever* take less antibiotic than was prescribed unless your doctor gives the OK. And now your dizziness is worse again because you didn't stick with the regimen, and you'll likely have to take more and maybe even a stronger antibiotic than you would have if you hadn't stopped prematurely, because now you need to kill the bacteria that were strong enough to survive those first two doses of the antibiotic. Here's what you wrote earlier: The dizzyness comes and goes but is definitely less than when it started. Phys asst said inner ear infection and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Hey card, can you say more about what might be meant by superphysical? From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 3:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi pravRttyaalokanyaasaat suukSmavyavahitaviprakRSTajñaanam pravRtti+aaloka-nyaasaat suukSma-vyavahita-viprakRSTa-jñaanam Knowledge ofthe small,the hidden orthe distant by directing the light of superphysical faculty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: I'n not at all sure about it, but I think inner light is rather III 25 (26 in some editions), which Shearer translates like this: By directing the inner light* we can see what is subtle, hidden from view or far away. * pravRtti-aaloka -- card --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: Card, is this the same as being used in the sidhi programme, (inner light)? Looks like it is from its placement. http://yogasutrastudy.info/yoga-sutra-translations/ysp-sutras3-21-3-40/ Sutra III.32 #2350;#2370;#2352;#2381;#2343;#2332;#2381;#2351;#2379;#2340;#2367;#2359;#2367; #2360;#2367;#2342;#2381;#2343;#2342;#2352;#2381;#2358;#2344;#2350;#2381;#2405;#2409;#2408;#2405; mUrdhajyothiShi siddhadarshanam [HA]: (By Practicing Samyama) On The Coronal Light, Siddhas Can Be Seen. [IT]: (33): (By performing Samyama) on the light under the crown of the head vision of perfected Beings. [VH]: On the light on the top of the head – vision of the perfected ones. [BM]: From perfect discipline of the light in the head, one gets a vision of the perfected beings. [SS]: (33): By samyama on the light at the crown of the head (sahasrara chakra), visions of masters and adepts are obtained. [SP]: (33) By making samyama on the radiance within the back of the head, one becomes able to see the celestial beings. [SV]: (33): On the light emanating from the top of the head sight of the Siddhas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Oh yes, thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@... wrote: pravRttyaalokanyaasaat suukSmavyavahitaviprakRSTajñaanam pravRtti+aaloka-nyaasaat suukSma-vyavahita-viprakRSTa-jñaanam Knowledge of the small, the hidden or the distant by directing the light ofsuperphysical faculty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: I'n not at all sure about it, but I think inner light is rather III 25 (26 in some editions), which Shearer translates like this: By directing the inner light* we can see what is subtle, hidden from view or far away. * pravRtti-aaloka -- card Makes sense Card, I already thought Maharishi has betrayed us by not giving us the right significance of the sutra, but it's indeed a different one. ;-) The other one I came across by looking up your last quote. Looking through several translations, you get the impression quite a few relate to chakras, not by their traditional names, but nevertheless quite obviously. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: Card, is this the same as being used in the sidhi programme, (inner light)? Looks like it is from its placement. http://yogasutrastudy.info/yoga-sutra-translations/ysp-sutras3-21-3-40/ Sutra III.32 #2350;#2370;#2352;#2381;#2343;#2332;#2381;#2351;#2379;#2340;#\ 2367;#2359;#2367; #2360;#2367;#2342;#2381;#2343;#2342;#2352;#2381;#2358;#2344;#\ 2350;#2381;#2405;#2409;#2408;#2405; mUrdhajyothiShi siddhadarshanam [HA]: (By Practicing Samyama) On The Coronal Light, Siddhas Can Be Seen. [IT]: (33): (By performing Samyama) on the light under the crown of the head vision of perfected Beings. [VH]: On the light on the top of the head vision of the perfected ones. [BM]: From perfect discipline of the light in the head, one gets a vision of the perfected beings. [SS]: (33): By samyama on the light at the crown of the head (sahasrara chakra), visions of masters and adepts are obtained. [SP]: (33) By making samyama on the radiance within the back of the head, one becomes able to see the celestial beings. [SV]: (33): On the light emanating from the top of the head sight of the Siddhas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Shok, I really enjoyed this commentary. Too bad you had to register to read more. May do that at a later. I always did like Osho. And too bad he ran into so much turbulence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: Interesting commentary by Osho: http://www.osho.com/library/online-library-ecstasy-shiva-shakti-sahasrar\ -3d72e38d-899.aspx When this lotus moves upward and blooms, it is said in yoga scriptures, It is as resplendent as ten million suns and ten million moons. One moon and one sun meet in your being. That becomes the possibility of the meeting of ten million suns and ten million moons. You have found the key of the ultimate orgasm, where ten million moons meet ten million suns ten million females meet ten million males. You can think of the ecstasy .
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Not surprised that you would like him http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/21/before_he_was_o/ From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi Shok, I really enjoyed this commentary. Too bad you had to register to read more. May do that at a later. I always did like Osho. And too bad he ran into so much turbulence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: Interesting commentary by Osho: http://www.osho.com/library/online-library-ecstasy-shiva-shakti-sahasrar-3d72e38d-899.aspx When this lotus moves upward and blooms, it is said in yoga scriptures, It is as resplendent as ten million suns and ten million moons. One moon and one sun meet in your being. That becomes the possibility of the meeting of ten million suns and ten million moons. You have found the key of the ultimate orgasm, where ten million moons meet ten million suns – ten million females meet ten million males. You can think of the ecstasy….
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: No, some of Barry's former posts are probably correct, in that TM itself is a small matter, that contrary to what Hagelin and Lynch claim, few people are interested in, that it is a dying movement - it just irritates me that Lynch and cronies are attempting to defraud a whole new generation of marks. I think what Jimbo means by drying up is that those of us who have any brains (meaning Barry) have stopped treating the diehard TM-defenders here as if they were worth reply- ing to, or even reading, (Yes, Barry is not replying to their post as a result of reading these diehards. He just cognized what they were going to say.) unless we see them quoted in posts like this one. Having nothing to say on their own, they *live* to draw people into confrontations with them, so that they can parrot the things they've been taught to parrot about TM and Maharishi, and thus feel as if they're doing something dharmic, or that they, in fact, have any meaningful existence. (Barry has officially taken out theory #3 out of his box of cookie cutter ideas applicable to every situation because he's too lazy to figure out what people are really doing or meaning in each new situation/post.) I don't know about you, Michael, but I don't believe it is even *possible* to nudge the diehards in the direction of accepting the real nature of the organization they're defending. (Because I, Barry, am the ultimate expert but and not quite smug enough to not say it repeatedly.) Too much of their own egos is attached to the notion of I'm too smart to ever have been deceived by a cult to even utter the C-word. And too much of their self- esteem and self-image is attached to how other diehards see them to ever deviate from the Dogma Dharma. (Dr Barry takes out theory #4 from his little box. Where have I seen this one before?) So I limit myself these days to poking subtle fun (Since when has Barry ever been 'subtle'? Oh, he must be trying his hand at irony. Maybe he misses Robin.) at them to see how they'll react, as I did by posting the sheep dip photo (I can tell you're disappointed no one commented on that. Okay, it was kind of cute. Feel better?) in response to the Holy dip line being used in a TMO propaganda piece. Interestingly enough, they *do* seem to always react -- whether I poke fun at them or whether I do not. (Your imagination - you believe yourself too influential and important, dear Barry.) Again, I suspect this has more to do with not having anything of their own to say than anything else. Caught in reactive mode, they NEED someone or something to react TO. Cool, I guess. I consider them my own private wind-up toys, and from time to time continue to wind them up. (Theory #5 has emerged from the box. There are only two more remaining in there. His repertoire is limited.) As for the TMO and its future, as you say I don't believe that it has much of one. It really CAN'T sell its products directly to end users any more, because NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THEM. (Only probably a few million people.) Even casual observers who might be interested in meditation have figured out that TM is the *least* hip form of meditation in the marketplace, (And of course hip is what it's all about.) while being by far the most expensive. So the TMO follows the lead established by Maharishi, and doesn't even bother trying to market to end users any more. Their entire pitch is to governments and institutions and wealthy individuals, hoping to lure (Sounds ominous) them into contributing to a worthy cause so that people at risk can be taught TM in their names. And such a pitch will work for them...for a while. (And it worked for you for, how long?) It has certainly worked for the Christian organizations who have used Help us save orphans in Africa and similar dodges to beg for donations for so many years. If that's the way they want to present themselves to the world while pocketing most of the monies raised, I say let them. Karma, dudes. (The Great Lebowski) The only thing that still causes me to roll my eyes (just one thing?) are the head-in-the-sand levels of DENIAL still clung to by people who claim to have had their creative intelligence enhanced by TM all these years. But again, if that's the way they wish to be perceived by the world, let them. (Yes, let them Barry; stop picking on the poor sods, okay? You are devastating them causing them to doubt themselves horribly. Can't you just allow these poor, misguided souls to live in their world of make believe amid their trite and hackneyed cultish spiritual paradigms? They all, in their heart of hearts, envy you your wisdom, your realization on every level so be careful not to rub their noses continually in their stark ignorance and self deception. T.S. Eliot said it best:Go, go, go, said
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: No, some of Barry's former posts are probably correct, in that TM itself is a small matter, that contrary to what Hagelin and Lynch claim, few people are interested in, that it is a dying movement - it just irritates me that Lynch and cronies are attempting to defraud a whole new generation of marks. I think what Jimbo means by drying up is that those of us who have any brains have stopped treating the diehard TM-defenders here as if they were worth reply- ing to, or even reading, unless we see them quoted in posts like this one. No, actually DrD meant what he said. If you look at the Post Count list, the only diehard TM-bashers posting here any more are Barry, Michael, and Salyavin. And Barry's posts are so demented these days that he just gets made fun of. He's a toothless old man with delusions of grandeur who mistakes being laughed at for his having pushed buttons. Having nothing to say on their own, they *live* to draw people into confrontations with them, so that they can parrot the things they've been taught to parrot about TM and Maharishi, and thus feel as if they're doing something dharmic, or that they, in fact, have any meaningful existence. I don't know about you, Michael, but I don't believe it is even *possible* to nudge the diehards in the direction of accepting the real nature of the organization they're defending. Too much of their own egos is attached to the notion of I'm too smart to ever have been deceived by a cult to even utter the C-word. And too much of their self- esteem and self-image is attached to how other diehards see them to ever deviate from the Dogma Dharma. So I limit myself these days to poking subtle fun at them to see how they'll react, as I did by posting the sheep dip photo in response to the Holy dip line being used in a TMO propaganda piece. Interestingly enough, they *do* seem to always react -- whether I poke fun at them or whether I do not. Again, I suspect this has more to do with not having anything of their own to say than anything else. Caught in reactive mode, they NEED someone or something to react TO. Cool, I guess. I consider them my own private wind-up toys, and from time to time continue to wind them up. As for the TMO and its future, as you say I don't believe that it has much of one. It really CAN'T sell its products directly to end users any more, because NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THEM. Even casual observers who might be interested in meditation have figured out that TM is the *least* hip form of meditation in the marketplace, while being by far the most expensive. So the TMO follows the lead established by Maharishi, and doesn't even bother trying to market to end users any more. Their entire pitch is to governments and institutions and wealthy individuals, hoping to lure them into contributing to a worthy cause so that people at risk can be taught TM in their names. And such a pitch will work for them...for a while. It has certainly worked for the Christian organizations who have used Help us save orphans in Africa and similar dodges to beg for donations for so many years. If that's the way they want to present themselves to the world while pocketing most of the monies raised, I say let them. Karma, dudes. The only thing that still causes me to roll my eyes are the head-in-the-sand levels of DENIAL still clung to by people who claim to have had their creative intelligence enhanced by TM all these years. But again, if that's the way they wish to be perceived by the world, let them. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol The only thing to add, in good conscience, is that the TM bashers are drying up on here, so this may not be the fertile field, for practice, that it once was. Better to find another obsessive - Maybe you and Bee could put together your own yahoo forum, attracting millions, no doubt. With your one pointed focus on the ills of the Maharishi and the TMO, and Barry's bilious outlook on life, you'll be in business in no time!! You could call it, Two little pricks, and the TM balloon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Exactly. For one thing, everyone who does TM eventually dies. 100% fatality rate. And there's your foot in the door - You could channel all those who have passed away, and are *still pissed off*, and want to sue the TMO, from the grave - Defendant by proxy, and lawyer, all in one!! Play your cards right, and this could go on for *lifetimes*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
@ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 • ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. I’ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. What’s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM is the most scientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it is the most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second but far behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. What’s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is to not try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is that’s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it you’re guaranteed to have a life changing experience. Have a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? Watch this video. This is the most impactful video I came across. The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi *** @
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Hey Michael, Thanks for your reply. I skimmed in, and I thought it might contain something new, but as far as I could tell, it was the usual history, which I 've read, and I've also read the other side, which of course you would disregard. No matter. And for what it's worth, I will tell you that in addition to Maharisi, I like Frederick Lenz, aka Rama. I would have jumped ship for Rama if I had known about him. I like Osho. I really, really, like Muktananda. I like Vivekenanda. Do you know by the way, that one time Vivikenda made a mildly disparaging remark against black people. Want to make sure you don't miss that. Of course I like Ramakrishna. It was hinted that he might have had a thing for young boys, and he did eat beef in a temple once, if I have the story correct. I feel great devotion to Yogananda, and yes, he has had accusations hurled against him. I don't know much about Ramana Maharishi. He seems unscathed by any scandals. I am sure I am missing many in the like column. I think your calling might be as a formal anticultist. You have the bonifides, and I mean this seriously. You have traversed different paths, and I think you can make a strong case of why these practices or traditions may be cults, or at least have cult elements. But where at one time, you might have been able to separate out the positive aspects of these teachings, you now seem one pointedly focussed on the negatives, blowing them up to what I feel is an outsized proportion, and holding, what I see as a pretty big grudge. And of course the bottom line, is how you feel you are doing in your personal life. I hope well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Not surprised that you would like him http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/21/before_he_was_o/ From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  Shok, I really enjoyed this commentary. Too bad you had to register to read more. May do that at a later. I always did like Osho. And too bad he ran into so much turbulence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote:  Interesting commentary by Osho: http://www.osho.com/library/online-library-ecstasy-shiva-shakti-sahasrar\ -3d72e38d-899.aspx When this lotus moves upward and blooms, it is said in yoga scriptures, It is as resplendent as ten million suns and ten million moons. One moon and one sun meet in your being. That becomes the possibility of the meeting of ten million suns and ten million moons. You have found the key of the ultimate orgasm, where ten million moons meet ten million suns â ten million females meet ten million males. You can think of the ecstasyâ¦.
[FairfieldLife] Royals at the place of enlightenment
Their Royal Highnesses Duke and Duchess of Cambridge celebrated the wedding of close friends at the Mountain of Enlightenment, in the Swiss Albs of Arosa. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/theroyalfamily/9904867/Duke-and-Duchess-celebrate-friends-wedding-in-Swiss-Alps.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol
Yep, that pretty much sums it up. Barry is SO nasty these days when my jokes on him, hit home. Now their forum can read *Three* little pricks and the TM balloon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: No, some of Barry's former posts are probably correct, in that TM itself is a small matter, that contrary to what Hagelin and Lynch claim, few people are interested in, that it is a dying movement - it just irritates me that Lynch and cronies are attempting to defraud a whole new generation of marks. I think what Jimbo means by drying up is that those of us who have any brains have stopped treating the diehard TM-defenders here as if they were worth reply- ing to, or even reading, unless we see them quoted in posts like this one. No, actually DrD meant what he said. If you look at the Post Count list, the only diehard TM-bashers posting here any more are Barry, Michael, and Salyavin. And Barry's posts are so demented these days that he just gets made fun of. He's a toothless old man with delusions of grandeur who mistakes being laughed at for his having pushed buttons. Having nothing to say on their own, they *live* to draw people into confrontations with them, so that they can parrot the things they've been taught to parrot about TM and Maharishi, and thus feel as if they're doing something dharmic, or that they, in fact, have any meaningful existence. I don't know about you, Michael, but I don't believe it is even *possible* to nudge the diehards in the direction of accepting the real nature of the organization they're defending. Too much of their own egos is attached to the notion of I'm too smart to ever have been deceived by a cult to even utter the C-word. And too much of their self- esteem and self-image is attached to how other diehards see them to ever deviate from the Dogma Dharma. So I limit myself these days to poking subtle fun at them to see how they'll react, as I did by posting the sheep dip photo in response to the Holy dip line being used in a TMO propaganda piece. Interestingly enough, they *do* seem to always react -- whether I poke fun at them or whether I do not. Again, I suspect this has more to do with not having anything of their own to say than anything else. Caught in reactive mode, they NEED someone or something to react TO. Cool, I guess. I consider them my own private wind-up toys, and from time to time continue to wind them up. As for the TMO and its future, as you say I don't believe that it has much of one. It really CAN'T sell its products directly to end users any more, because NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THEM. Even casual observers who might be interested in meditation have figured out that TM is the *least* hip form of meditation in the marketplace, while being by far the most expensive. So the TMO follows the lead established by Maharishi, and doesn't even bother trying to market to end users any more. Their entire pitch is to governments and institutions and wealthy individuals, hoping to lure them into contributing to a worthy cause so that people at risk can be taught TM in their names. And such a pitch will work for them...for a while. It has certainly worked for the Christian organizations who have used Help us save orphans in Africa and similar dodges to beg for donations for so many years. If that's the way they want to present themselves to the world while pocketing most of the monies raised, I say let them. Karma, dudes. The only thing that still causes me to roll my eyes are the head-in-the-sand levels of DENIAL still clung to by people who claim to have had their creative intelligence enhanced by TM all these years. But again, if that's the way they wish to be perceived by the world, let them. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol The only thing to add, in good conscience, is that the TM bashers are drying up on here, so this may not be the fertile field, for practice, that it once was. Better to find another obsessive - Maybe you and Bee could put together your own yahoo forum, attracting millions, no doubt. With your one pointed focus on the ills of the Maharishi and the TMO, and Barry's bilious outlook on life, you'll be in business in no time!! You could call it, Two little pricks, and the TM balloon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: Exactly. For one thing, everyone who does TM eventually dies. 100% fatality rate. And
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
well I admit you sometimes make me laugh - but it doesn't surprise me that a TM apologist would call someone who wants the light of day to shine on the seamy underbelly of TM an antichrist - which, if you are taking the traditional definition of anti-Christ means you think Marshy was equal to Jesus, and TM, which we all know isn't a religion is equal to Christianity From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi Hey Michael, Thanks for your reply. I skimmed in, and I thought it might contain something new, but as far as I could tell, it was the usual history, which I 've read, and I've also read the other side, which of course you would disregard. No matter. And for what it's worth, I will tell you that in addition to Maharisi, I like Frederick Lenz, aka Rama. I would have jumped ship for Rama if I had known about him. I like Osho. I really, really, like Muktananda. I like Vivekenanda. Do you know by the way, that one time Vivikenda made a mildly disparaging remark against black people. Want to make sure you don't miss that. Of course I like Ramakrishna. It was hinted that he might have had a thing for young boys, and he did eat beef in a temple once, if I have the story correct. I feel great devotion to Yogananda, and yes, he has had accusations hurled against him. I don't know much about Ramana Maharishi. He seems unscathed by any scandals. I am sure I am missing many in the like column. I think your calling might be as a formal anticultist. You have the bonifides, and I mean this seriously. You have traversed different paths, and I think you can make a strong case of why these practices or traditions may be cults, or at least have cult elements. But where at one time, you might have been able to separate out the positive aspects of these teachings, you now seem one pointedly focussed on the negatives, blowing them up to what I feel is an outsized proportion, and holding, what I see as a pretty big grudge. And of course the bottom line, is how you feel you are doing in your personal life. I hope well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Not surprised that you would like him http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/21/before_he_was_o/ From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  Shok, I really enjoyed this commentary. Too bad you had to register to read more. May do that at a later. I always did like Osho. And too bad he ran into so much turbulence. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote:  Interesting commentary by Osho: http://www.osho.com/library/online-library-ecstasy-shiva-shakti-sahasrar-3d72e38d-899.aspx When this lotus moves upward and blooms, it is said in yoga scriptures, It is as resplendent as ten million suns and ten million moons. One moon and one sun meet in your being. That becomes the possibility of the meeting of ten million suns and ten million moons. You have found the key of the ultimate orgasm, where ten million moons meet ten million suns †ten million females meet ten million males. You can think of the ecstasy….
[FairfieldLife] Dad called me Jimbo too [was Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol]
Something a little curious: The only *two* people, in my ENTIRE life, who have EVER called me Jimbo, are Barry, and MY DAD. Barry must be feeling VERY, VERY close to me when he says it. Let's nuzzle! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Yep, that pretty much sums it up. Barry is SO nasty these days when my jokes on him, hit home. Now their forum can read *Three* little pricks and the TM balloon. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: No, some of Barry's former posts are probably correct, in that TM itself is a small matter, that contrary to what Hagelin and Lynch claim, few people are interested in, that it is a dying movement - it just irritates me that Lynch and cronies are attempting to defraud a whole new generation of marks. I think what Jimbo means by drying up is that those of us who have any brains have stopped treating the diehard TM-defenders here as if they were worth reply- ing to, or even reading, unless we see them quoted in posts like this one. No, actually DrD meant what he said. If you look at the Post Count list, the only diehard TM-bashers posting here any more are Barry, Michael, and Salyavin. And Barry's posts are so demented these days that he just gets made fun of. He's a toothless old man with delusions of grandeur who mistakes being laughed at for his having pushed buttons. Having nothing to say on their own, they *live* to draw people into confrontations with them, so that they can parrot the things they've been taught to parrot about TM and Maharishi, and thus feel as if they're doing something dharmic, or that they, in fact, have any meaningful existence. I don't know about you, Michael, but I don't believe it is even *possible* to nudge the diehards in the direction of accepting the real nature of the organization they're defending. Too much of their own egos is attached to the notion of I'm too smart to ever have been deceived by a cult to even utter the C-word. And too much of their self- esteem and self-image is attached to how other diehards see them to ever deviate from the Dogma Dharma. So I limit myself these days to poking subtle fun at them to see how they'll react, as I did by posting the sheep dip photo in response to the Holy dip line being used in a TMO propaganda piece. Interestingly enough, they *do* seem to always react -- whether I poke fun at them or whether I do not. Again, I suspect this has more to do with not having anything of their own to say than anything else. Caught in reactive mode, they NEED someone or something to react TO. Cool, I guess. I consider them my own private wind-up toys, and from time to time continue to wind them up. As for the TMO and its future, as you say I don't believe that it has much of one. It really CAN'T sell its products directly to end users any more, because NO ONE IS INTERESTED IN THEM. Even casual observers who might be interested in meditation have figured out that TM is the *least* hip form of meditation in the marketplace, while being by far the most expensive. So the TMO follows the lead established by Maharishi, and doesn't even bother trying to market to end users any more. Their entire pitch is to governments and institutions and wealthy individuals, hoping to lure them into contributing to a worthy cause so that people at risk can be taught TM in their names. And such a pitch will work for them...for a while. It has certainly worked for the Christian organizations who have used Help us save orphans in Africa and similar dodges to beg for donations for so many years. If that's the way they want to present themselves to the world while pocketing most of the monies raised, I say let them. Karma, dudes. The only thing that still causes me to roll my eyes are the head-in-the-sand levels of DENIAL still clung to by people who claim to have had their creative intelligence enhanced by TM all these years. But again, if that's the way they wish to be perceived by the world, let them. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 9:47 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol The only thing to add, in good conscience, is that the TM bashers are drying up on here, so this may not be the fertile field, for practice, that it once was. Better to find another obsessive - Maybe you and Bee could put together your own yahoo forum, attracting millions, no doubt. With your
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras to John
Yes, it is very clear, in spite of Merc retro (-: Thanks for explaining. Most of what you said I actually did not know, like Rahu and machinery, Rahu being an imposter. And a lot I had forgotten. Maybe because my natal Merc is retro! All those planets in Aquarius are giving some nice aspects to my Sun Venus Merc in Gemini in 9th. Several of the significant men in my life, including my Dad, have Sun in Aquarius. When you said you never expected telescopes on land to be able to accomplish this feat, did you mean that you thought only telescopes in space could? From: John jr_...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 6:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras Share, 1. John, what do you mean that an element of Rahu is represented by the hadron collider at CERN? And why is it strange that this Rahu element is needed to discover Higgs, etc? In modern jyotish understanding, Rahu is the significator of any complex machinery. So, Rahu's characteristics can be found in the LHC, which is considered to be the most complicated machinery ever built in history. As you well know, Rahu is considered to be an impostor in vedic mythology. The Sun and the Moon have recognized Rahu's charade in order to drink amrita, the food of the gods. For this reason the two luminaries reported the impostor to Vishnu, who swiftly threw his chakra to kill Rahu. Although the chakra cut Rahu's head from the body, he was able to imbibe part of the amrita to make him immortal. Thus, up to this day Rahu has become the mortal enemy of the Sun and Moon. So, it is ironic that modern science has to use Rahu, in the guise of the LHC, to prove the natural laws emanating from the knowledge of the Sun and the Moon. Is that perfectly clear? :) 2. Thanks for photos of baby planet (-: You're welcome. To be frank, I didn't think it was ever possible to perform this feat by using telescopes with large lenses that are based on land--in Chile as a matter of fact. 3. I just received a jyotish newsletter saying that first half of March is good for getting second medical opinions because retro merc is in a nakshatra meaning 100 physicians! That's a fair assessment since Mercury is in the nakshatra of Shatabishak. But there are three other planets in the sign of Aquarius as well. These are the Sun, Mars and Venus. Since these planets are in the third house of the US natal chart, we are witnessing in the news media the battle of the Democrats and Republicans regarding the budget sequestration. So, the month of March will be a spectacle for political maneuverings here in the USA and in the Vatican. JR From: John To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras  1. Knowledge of the atom is the result of the sanyama of the Sun. 2. Knowledge of the subparticles of the atom is the result of the sanyama of the Moon. 3. Knowledge of the standard model in physics refers to the sanyama of Dhruva. Strangely enough, an element of Rahu, which is represented by the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, is needed to prove and discover new subparticles, like the Higgs Boson, in physics.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â becoming popular again
The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Hadn't seen this one before. Thank You! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin vedamerlin@... wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 ⢠( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. Iâve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOâs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. Whatâs the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM is the most scientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it is the most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second but far behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. Whatâs the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is to not try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is thatâs tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it youâre guaranteed to have a life changing experience.  Have a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? Watch this video. This is the most impactful video I came across.  The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi *** @
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
That is a good one - meditators, sidhas, governors, executive governors, ministers of the Age of Enlightenment sacrifice time, effort, energy, belief and money so Marshy and his King and Court of Jesters er, Rajas can be all they can be. From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Hadn't seen this one before. Thank You! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 • ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. I’ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. What’s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM is the most scientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it is the most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second but far behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. What’s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is to not try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is that’s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it you’re guaranteed to have a life changing experience.  Have a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? Watch this video. This is the most impactful video I came across.  The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi *** @
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: well I admit you sometimes make me laugh - but it doesn't surprise me that a TM apologist would call someone who wants the light of day to shine on the seamy underbelly of TM an antichrist - which, if you are taking the traditional definition of anti-Christ means you think Marshy was equal to Jesus, and TM, which we all know isn't a religion is equal to Christianity Michael, Could you do me the favor of finding where I might have called you an antichrist? And maybe where I equated Maharishi with Jesus? I do feel that it is important to be correct, or at least somewhat correct in your attributions. Is there anything here you want to correct for the record, or are you just throwing things out indiscriminately?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation ââ¬â becoming popular again
I suspect if this quote came from someone other than Maharishi, you would find someway to embrace it. Again, your knee jerk reactions often make you look more like a bigot than anything else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: That is a good one - meditators, sidhas, governors, executive governors, ministers of the Age of Enlightenment sacrifice time, effort, energy, belief and money so Marshy and his King and Court of Jesters er, Rajas can be all they can be. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation ââ¬â becoming popular again  The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Hadn't seen this one before. Thank You! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-\ popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 ââ¬Â¢ ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. Iââ¬â¢ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOââ¬â¢s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. Whatââ¬â¢s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM isàthe mostàscientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it isàthe most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second butàfar behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. Whatââ¬â¢s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is toànot try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is thatââ¬â¢s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it youââ¬â¢re guaranteed to have a life changing experience. àHave a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? Watchàthis video. This is the most impactful video I came across. àThe important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become.à- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi *** @
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
You are correct, you did not refer to me as antichrist, but anti cultist - the truth is I was reading without my reading glasses - rarely do that -and I apologize for misquoting you From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: well I admit you sometimes make me laugh - but it doesn't surprise me that a TM apologist would call someone who wants the light of day to shine on the seamy underbelly of TM an antichrist - which, if you are taking the traditional definition of anti-Christ means you think Marshy was equal to Jesus, and TM, which we all know isn't a religion is equal to Christianity Michael, Could you do me the favor of finding where I might have called you an antichrist? And maybe where I equated Maharishi with Jesus? I do feel that it is important to be correct, or at least somewhat correct in your attributions. Is there anything here you want to correct for the record, or are you just throwing things out indiscriminately?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
You suspect incorrectly - that is one of those bullshit pseudo-spiritual platitudes that don't mean squat From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again I suspect if this quote came from someone other than Maharishi, you would find someway to embrace it. Again, your knee jerk reactions often make you look more like a bigot than anything else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: That is a good one - meditators, sidhas, governors, executive governors, ministers of the Age of Enlightenment sacrifice time, effort, energy, belief and money so Marshy and his King and Court of Jesters er, Rajas can be all they can be. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again  The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Hadn't seen this one before. Thank You! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 • ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. I’ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. What’s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM is the most scientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it is the most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second but far behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. What’s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is to not try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is that’s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it you’re guaranteed to have a life changing experience.  Have a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? Watch this video. This is the most impactful video I came across.  The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi *** @
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
no problem. thanks for checking it out. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: You are correct, you did not refer to me as antichrist, but anti cultist - the truth is I was reading without my reading glasses - rarely do that -and I apologize for misquoting you From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: well I admit you sometimes make me laugh - but it doesn't surprise me that a TM apologist would call someone who wants the light of day to shine on the seamy underbelly of TM an antichrist - which, if you are taking the traditional definition of anti-Christ means you think Marshy was equal to Jesus, and TM, which we all know isn't a religion is equal to Christianity Michael, Could you do me the favor of finding where I might have called you an antichrist? And maybe where I equated Maharishi with Jesus? I do feel that it is important to be correct, or at least somewhat correct in your attributions. Is there anything here you want to correct for the record, or are you just throwing things out indiscriminately?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation âââ‰â¬Å becoming popular again
that's fine. call it whatever you want, but the fact of the matter is that the statement is true, and applies to most any endeavour one engages in, at least for personal development. you might as well throw them all in the trash bin, including probably many you yourself have said here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: You suspect incorrectly - that is one of those bullshit pseudo-spiritual platitudes that don't mean squat From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation âââ‰â¬Å becoming popular again  I suspect if this quote came from someone other than Maharishi, you would find someway to embrace it. Again, your knee jerk reactions often make you look more like a bigot than anything else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: That is a good one - meditators, sidhas, governors, executive governors, ministers of the Age of Enlightenment sacrifice time, effort, energy, belief and money so Marshy and his King and Court of Jesters er, Rajas can be all they can be. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation âââ‰â¬Å becoming popular again àThe important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Hadn't seen this one before. Thank You! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-\ popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 âââ¬Ã¢ ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. Iâââ‰â¢ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOâââ‰â¢s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. Whatâââ‰â¢s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM isÃâàthe mostÃâàscientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it isÃâàthe most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second butÃâàfar behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. Whatâââ‰â¢s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is toÃâànot try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is thatâââ‰â¢s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it youâââ‰â¢re guaranteed to have a life changing experience. ÃâàHave a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? WatchÃâàthis video. This is the most impactful video I came across. ÃâàThe important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become.Ãâà- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi *** @
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: You are correct, you did not refer to me as antichrist, but anti cultist - the truth is I was reading without my reading glasses - rarely do that -and I apologize for misquoting you Nice apology, Michael. But the fact that you thought you had read antichrist and didn't say to yourself, Wait a minute, that can't be what Steve wrote, let me look again, but instead immediately went after him, pretty much validates what he's been saying about your jerky knees. You said it yourself: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: well I admit you sometimes make me laugh - but it doesn't surprise me that a TM apologist would call someone who wants the light of day to shine on the seamy underbelly of TM an antichrist It didn't surprise you. But Michael...it *should* have surprised you.
[FairfieldLife] Loads of biija-mantras...
... and obvious Arabic influence in the musical scale(s)? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_UjqNOJxxU
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
maybe I got me some bad problems I don't know nothin' about - reckon it would help if I got my meditation checked? From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again that's fine. call it whatever you want, but the fact of the matter is that the statement is true, and applies to most any endeavour one engages in, at least for personal development. you might as well throw them all in the trash bin, including probably many you yourself have said here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: You suspect incorrectly - that is one of those bullshit pseudo-spiritual platitudes that don't mean squat From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â€ becoming popular again  I suspect if this quote came from someone other than Maharishi, you would find someway to embrace it. Again, your knee jerk reactions often make you look more like a bigot than anything else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: That is a good one - meditators, sidhas, governors, executive governors, ministers of the Age of Enlightenment sacrifice time, effort, energy, belief and money so Marshy and his King and Court of Jesters er, Rajas can be all they can be. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â€ becoming popular again  The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Hadn't seen this one before. Thank You! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 • ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. I’ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. What’s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM is the most scientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it is the most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second but far behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. What’s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is to not try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is that’s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it you’re guaranteed to have a life changing experience.  Have a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? Watch this video. This is the most impactful video I came across.  The important thing is
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Well, sorry, but I'm mainly just a translation machine, or something like that... :D But, FWIW, that's Taimni's translation of pravRtti. Obviously not very accurate: pravRttif. coming forth, rising, appearance, origin; progress, advance, activity, endeavour, application or devotion to, occupation or dealing with (loc. or ---); acting, proceeding; use, employment; continuance, validity of a rule (g.); fate, destiny; news, tidings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Hey card, can you say more about what might be meant by superphysical? From: card cardemaister@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 3:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  pravRttyaalokanyaasaat suukSmavyavahitaviprakRSTajñaanam pravRtti+aaloka-nyaasaat suukSma-vyavahita-viprakRSTa-jñaanam Knowledge ofthe small,the hidden orthe distant by directing the light of superphysical faculty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card cardemaister@ wrote: I'n not at all sure about it, but I think inner light is rather III 25 (26 in some editions), which Shearer translates like this: By directing the inner light* we can see what is subtle, hidden from view or far away. * pravRtti-aaloka -- card --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: Card, is this the same as being used in the sidhi programme, (inner light)? Looks like it is from its placement. http://yogasutrastudy.info/yoga-sutra-translations/ysp-sutras3-21-3-40/ Sutra III.32 #2350;#2370;#2352;#2381;#2343;#2332;#2381;#2351;#2379;#2340;#2367;#2359;#2367; #2360;#2367;#2342;#2381;#2343;#2342;#2352;#2381;#2358;#2344;#2350;#2381;#2405;#2409;#2408;#2405; mUrdhajyothiShi siddhadarshanam [HA]: (By Practicing Samyama) On The Coronal Light, Siddhas Can Be Seen. [IT]: (33): (By performing Samyama) on the light under the crown of the head vision of perfected Beings. [VH]: On the light on the top of the head â vision of the perfected ones. [BM]: From perfect discipline of the light in the head, one gets a vision of the perfected beings. [SS]: (33): By samyama on the light at the crown of the head (sahasrara chakra), visions of masters and adepts are obtained. [SP]: (33) By making samyama on the radiance within the back of the head, one becomes able to see the celestial beings. [SV]: (33): On the light emanating from the top of the head sight of the Siddhas.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
well, yeah if you want to ham it up and everything - life is just life - we change and transform all the time - why reduce it to a platitude? From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again that's fine. call it whatever you want, but the fact of the matter is that the statement is true, and applies to most any endeavour one engages in, at least for personal development. you might as well throw them all in the trash bin, including probably many you yourself have said here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: You suspect incorrectly - that is one of those bullshit pseudo-spiritual platitudes that don't mean squat From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â€ becoming popular again  I suspect if this quote came from someone other than Maharishi, you would find someway to embrace it. Again, your knee jerk reactions often make you look more like a bigot than anything else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: That is a good one - meditators, sidhas, governors, executive governors, ministers of the Age of Enlightenment sacrifice time, effort, energy, belief and money so Marshy and his King and Court of Jesters er, Rajas can be all they can be. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â€ becoming popular again  The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Hadn't seen this one before. Thank You! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 • ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. I’ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. What’s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM is the most scientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it is the most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second but far behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. What’s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is to not try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is that’s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it you’re guaranteed to have a life changing experience.  Have a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? Watch this video. This is the most impactful video I came across. ÂÂÂ
Re: [FairfieldLife] Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
Or from Twin Peaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjKZzKLpNII On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 • ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. I’ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEO’s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. What’s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM is the most scientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it is the most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second but far behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. What’s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is to not try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is that’s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it you’re guaranteed to have a life changing experience. Have a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? Watch this video. This is the most impactful video I came across. The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi *** @
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â becoming popular again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Or from Twin Peaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjKZzKLpNII :-) On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol
You don't tug on Superman's cape You don't spit in the wind You don't pull the mask on the old Lone Ranger And you don't mess around with...Doc (-: From: doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 8:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol Exactly. For one thing, everyone who does TM eventually dies. 100% fatality rate. And there's your foot in the door - You could channel all those who have passed away, and are *still pissed off*, and want to sue the TMO, from the grave - Defendant by proxy, and lawyer, all in one!! Play your cards right, and this could go on for *lifetimes*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: If you want to ignore the ill effects of TM that we all know about and people like you ignore, then enjoy your ignorance. From: seventhray27 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 7:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: David Lynch Is Back to Carol  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: If Oz was as responsible in his touting of TM as he is of other herbs, drugs and procedures where he gives both the pros and cons, he would be giving both sides. In fairness, he may not know the crap the TMO does, and he certainly may not know what Marshy was. It's a relaxation technique. That's it's primary purpose. And I am certain that you would find fault in any discussion that did not arrive at what you would consider to be the correct conclusions. Let's examine the modalities you recommend, although I can't even remember what they are. Massage maybe. Let's take massage. What do you suppose would be the negative effects of massage, or mindfulness, or any of the other programs you recommend. Just for fun, take a shot at those first. I'll wait.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â becoming popular again
Agreed. Until 50 Cent and Lady Gaga start, I don't anticipate much progress. And even if they did promote TM, I don't think the current generation has the interest or curiosity to match the 60's or 70's generation. It was a different time and a different crowd. Times have changed. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Or from Twin Peaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjKZzKLpNII :-) On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â becoming popular again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason. Seriously, am I the only person here who has noticed that there is something seriously OFF about the TMO's marketing campaign? Its *entire* focus is to attract OLD people, OLD people with MONEY, and to entice them to contribute money so that TM can be *imposed* on either young people who have no interest in it because it's less hip that bell-bottom pants, or people at risk who are in prison, suffering from PTSD, or otherwise impaired? And *this* is the technique/philosophy that is going to change the world, and make it a better place? Isn't that a process that traditionally falls to the *youth* of a nation to do? Suppose that when you were a teen or a young adult some OLD people had come along and, in your schools or wherever it might have been taught, had *imposed* TM on you? What do you think would be the likelihood of you still being a TMer? And yet THAT is what the people who keep touting the TMO's marketing scheme seem to believe, or at the very least, profess to believe. Me, I kinda think that these are the fantasies of OLD people who cannot relate to young people *at all*, and as a result base all of their sales pitches on an appeal to OLD people like themselves, trying to get them to do what is right for all these poor, young folks who aren't OLD enough or smart enough to make decisions for themselves. Yeah, THAT sure worked with Just Say No and other such OLD PERSON fantasies trying to impose themselves on my generation. I cannot help but believe it's going to be just about as successful with a new generation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â becoming popular again
there is no marketing campaign at present,and there has not been for years. I have heard there is some planning for one, not to create the false impression that I have any expectation of rationality from yourself but these people are not remotely the TMO I guess people like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kat_Denning are too OLD for your taste lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason. Seriously, am I the only person here who has noticed that there is something seriously OFF about the TMO's marketing campaign? Its *entire* focus is to attract OLD people, OLD people with MONEY, and to entice them to contribute money so that TM can be *imposed* on either young people who have no interest in it because it's less hip that bell-bottom pants, or people at risk who are in prison, suffering from PTSD, or otherwise impaired? And *this* is the technique/philosophy that is going to change the world, and make it a better place? Isn't that a process that traditionally falls to the *youth* of a nation to do? Suppose that when you were a teen or a young adult some OLD people had come along and, in your schools or wherever it might have been taught, had *imposed* TM on you? What do you think would be the likelihood of you still being a TMer? And yet THAT is what the people who keep touting the TMO's marketing scheme seem to believe, or at the very least, profess to believe. Me, I kinda think that these are the fantasies of OLD people who cannot relate to young people *at all*, and as a result base all of their sales pitches on an appeal to OLD people like themselves, trying to get them to do what is right for all these poor, young folks who aren't OLD enough or smart enough to make decisions for themselves. Yeah, THAT sure worked with Just Say No and other such OLD PERSON fantasies trying to impose themselves on my generation. I cannot help but believe it's going to be just about as successful with a new generation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â becoming popular again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: Agreed. Until 50 Cent and Lady Gaga start, I don't anticipate much progress. Just as a splash of cold water, 50 Cent is 38, and Lady Gaga is 27. Remember Don't trust anyone over 25? What makes you believe kids these days are any different than we were in that respect. To have any street cred with its celebrity spokes- persons among a youth audience these days, TM would have to recruit Justin Bieber (18). And even if they did promote TM, I don't think the current generation has the interest or curiosity to match the 60's or 70's generation. It was a different time and a different crowd. Times have changed. I would tend to agree. It's *not* IMO as if this younger generation has *no* interest in introspection and meditation, just that if they are interested in it, they're interested for different reasons. And the OLD folks who run the TMO can't even comprehend what those reasons might be, much less speak to them. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Or from Twin Peaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjKZzKLpNII :-) On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
Unfortunately Katy Perry is 28, and a TM'er - my daughter loves her music but doesn't give a crap about Perry doing TM (thank God!) From: seekliberation seekliberat...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:04 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again Agreed. Until 50 Cent and Lady Gaga start, I don't anticipate much progress. And even if they did promote TM, I don't think the current generation has the interest or curiosity to match the 60's or 70's generation. It was a different time and a different crowd. Times have changed. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: Or from Twin Peaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjKZzKLpNII :-) On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
Oh come on man! You can't seriously think there isn't a marketing campaign!!! They are trying to sanitize the image of TM and sell it to everyone they can - they are even starting to distance themselves from Marshy if you believe the stuff in that NY Times article last week. From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again there is no marketing campaign at present,and there has not been for years. I have heard there is some planning for one, not to create the false impression that I have any expectation of rationality from yourself but these people are not remotely the TMO I guess people like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kat_Denning are too OLD for your taste lol --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason. Seriously, am I the only person here who has noticed that there is something seriously OFF about the TMO's marketing campaign? Its *entire* focus is to attract OLD people, OLD people with MONEY, and to entice them to contribute money so that TM can be *imposed* on either young people who have no interest in it because it's less hip that bell-bottom pants, or people at risk who are in prison, suffering from PTSD, or otherwise impaired? And *this* is the technique/philosophy that is going to change the world, and make it a better place? Isn't that a process that traditionally falls to the *youth* of a nation to do? Suppose that when you were a teen or a young adult some OLD people had come along and, in your schools or wherever it might have been taught, had *imposed* TM on you? What do you think would be the likelihood of you still being a TMer? And yet THAT is what the people who keep touting the TMO's marketing scheme seem to believe, or at the very least, profess to believe. Me, I kinda think that these are the fantasies of OLD people who cannot relate to young people *at all*, and as a result base all of their sales pitches on an appeal to OLD people like themselves, trying to get them to do what is right for all these poor, young folks who aren't OLD enough or smart enough to make decisions for themselves. Yeah, THAT sure worked with Just Say No and other such OLD PERSON fantasies trying to impose themselves on my generation. I cannot help but believe it's going to be just about as successful with a new generation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
Well from viewing that MUM Secrets facebook page, there are young people doing TM - tho most of the people posting there seem to be more interested in screwing on top of the Domes than in sidha-land stuff - maybe the sex vibes radiating down from on top of the Domes could account for the lack of high superradiance numbers, what about it Buck? From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason. Seriously, am I the only person here who has noticed that there is something seriously OFF about the TMO's marketing campaign? Its *entire* focus is to attract OLD people, OLD people with MONEY, and to entice them to contribute money so that TM can be *imposed* on either young people who have no interest in it because it's less hip that bell-bottom pants, or people at risk who are in prison, suffering from PTSD, or otherwise impaired? And *this* is the technique/philosophy that is going to change the world, and make it a better place? Isn't that a process that traditionally falls to the *youth* of a nation to do? Suppose that when you were a teen or a young adult some OLD people had come along and, in your schools or wherever it might have been taught, had *imposed* TM on you? What do you think would be the likelihood of you still being a TMer? And yet THAT is what the people who keep touting the TMO's marketing scheme seem to believe, or at the very least, profess to believe. Me, I kinda think that these are the fantasies of OLD people who cannot relate to young people *at all*, and as a result base all of their sales pitches on an appeal to OLD people like themselves, trying to get them to do what is right for all these poor, young folks who aren't OLD enough or smart enough to make decisions for themselves. Yeah, THAT sure worked with Just Say No and other such OLD PERSON fantasies trying to impose themselves on my generation. I cannot help but believe it's going to be just about as successful with a new generation.
[FairfieldLife] Dennis Rodman Is an International Diplomat?
If he can pull it off, he will be well known for his basketball diplomacy in the future among his other accomplishments and shinanigans. We can also read in between the lines that Kim Jong Un does not want to any confrontation with the USA. By the looks of it, he's living and eating very well in North Korea to have the Americans ruin his day. http://news.yahoo.com/dennis-rodman-kim-jong-un-wants-president-obama-144009192--abc-news-politics.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
The millennial generation likes to dabble so long term commitments like TM won't appeal to them. Plus they certainly can't afford TM as they also can't afford to pay off their student loans because they can't find a job even with that degree. So if someone who knows how to teach meditation and maybe sets up a free or $25 weekend workshop they might go for that. They do seem to like to learn some yoga especially if it is free. We are indeed entering into a new age. Maybe everything will be openly sourced. Maybe we will live in a collective where everything is shared. Many of these younger folks are already doing that. On 03/03/2013 11:04 AM, seekliberation wrote: Agreed. Until 50 Cent and Lady Gaga start, I don't anticipate much progress. And even if they did promote TM, I don't think the current generation has the interest or curiosity to match the 60's or 70's generation. It was a different time and a different crowd. Times have changed. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Or from Twin Peaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjKZzKLpNII :-) On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
We've all heard them, we've all said them. But how much of popular neuroscience is actually true?FOLK NEUROSCIENCE Popular misconceptions â The left-brain is rational, the right-brain is creative The hemispheres have different specialisations (the left usually has key language areas, for example) but there is no clear rational-creative split and you need both hemispheres to be successful at either. You can no more do right-brain thinking than you can do rear-brain thinking. â Dopamine is a pleasure chemical Dopamine has many functions in the brain, from supporting concentration to regulating the production of breast milk. Even in its most closely associated functioning it is usually considered to be involved in motivation (wanting) rather than the feeling of pleasure itself. â Low serotonin causes depression A concept almost entirely promoted by pharmaceutical companies in the 1980s and 90s to sell serotonin-enhancing drugs like Prozac. No consistent evidence for it. â Video games, TV violence, porn or any other social spectre of the moment rewires the brain Everything rewires the brain as the brain works by making and remaking connections. This is often used in a contradictory fashion to suggest that the brain is both particularly susceptible to change but once changed, can't change back. â We have no control over our brain but we can control our mind The mind and the brain are the same thing described in different ways and they make us who we are. Trying to suggest one causes the other is like saying wetness causes water. The whole article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/mar/03/brain-not-simple-folk-neur\ oscience http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/mar/03/brain-not-simple-folk-neu\ roscience
[FairfieldLife] Re: Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras to John
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Yes, it is very clear, in spite of Merc retro (-: Thanks for explaining. Most of what you said I actually did not know, like Rahu and machinery, Rahu being an imposter. And a lot I had forgotten. Maybe because my natal Merc is retro! All those planets in Aquarius are giving some nice aspects to my Sun Venus Merc in Gemini in 9th. Several of the significant men in my life, including my Dad, have Sun in Aquarius. When you said you never expected telescopes on land to be able to accomplish this feat, did you mean that you thought only telescopes in space could? Share, Actually, I thought that NO telescopes, either based on land or space, could ever take a picture of an exoplanet. The picture they got is like finding a needle in a haystack. We have admire the fact that these astronomers were able to find a dust speck from 350 light years away. Since they're able to do this feat, we might be able see the cloud tops of these exoplanets sooner than later. Will we find another Earth out there? JR From: John jr_esq@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 6:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras  Share, 1. John, what do you mean that an element of Rahu is represented by the hadron collider at CERN?àAnd why is it strange that this Rahu element is needed to discover Higgs, etc? In modern jyotish understanding, Rahu is the significator of any complex machinery. So, Rahu's characteristics can be found in the LHC, which is considered to be the most complicated machinery ever built in history. As you well know, Rahu is considered to be an impostor in vedic mythology. The Sun and the Moon have recognized Rahu's charade in order to drink amrita, the food of the gods. For this reason the two luminaries reported the impostor to Vishnu, who swiftly threw his chakra to kill Rahu. Although the chakra cut Rahu's head from the body, he was able to imbibe part of the amrita to make him immortal. Thus, up to this day Rahu has become the mortal enemy of the Sun and Moon. So, it is ironic that modern science has to use Rahu, in the guise of the LHC, to prove the natural laws emanating from the knowledge of the Sun and the Moon. Is that perfectly clear? :) 2. Thanks for photos of baby planet (-: You're welcome. To be frank, I didn't think it was ever possible to perform this feat by using telescopes with large lenses that are based on land--in Chile as a matter of fact. 3. I just received a jyotish newsletter saying that first half of March is good for getting second medical opinions because retro merc is in a nakshatra meaning 100 physicians! That's a fair assessment since Mercury is in the nakshatra of Shatabishak. But there are three other planets in the sign of Aquarius as well. These are the Sun, Mars and Venus. Since these planets are in the third house of the US natal chart, we are witnessing in the news media the battle of the Democrats and Republicans regarding the budget sequestration. So, the month of March will be a spectacle for political maneuverings here in the USA and in the Vatican. JR From: John To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 10:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Real Examples of Patanjali's Sutras à1. Knowledge of the atom is the result of the sanyama of the Sun. 2. Knowledge of the subparticles of the atom is the result of the sanyama of the Moon. 3. Knowledge of the standard model in physics refers to the sanyama of Dhruva. Strangely enough, an element of Rahu, which is represented by the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, is needed to prove and discover new subparticles, like the Higgs Boson, in physics.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already that warm. That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia. Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not so much materialism and spirituality. Or maybe the spiritual folks will come out on the winning side anyway. On 03/01/2013 12:03 PM, Share Long wrote: Hmmm, that's very interesting about switching emphasis from samadosha to prakriti. My guess is that prakriti has a built in settledness whereas trying to be samadosha could produce strain in someone who's not. BTW, I ate half a can of pineapple the other day. I think the ringing in ears decreased some. Thanks for tip. And I thought FF had changeable weather! One learns to layer clothing. About materialism and spirituality: some days the most concrete aspects of earthly life are also the most divine (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
MMY said that the human brain is the microcosm of the entire universe. Can this be proved? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: We've all heard them, we've all said them. But how much of popular neuroscience is actually true?FOLK NEUROSCIENCE Popular misconceptions â The left-brain is rational, the right-brain is creative The hemispheres have different specialisations (the left usually has key language areas, for example) but there is no clear rational-creative split and you need both hemispheres to be successful at either. You can no more do right-brain thinking than you can do rear-brain thinking. â Dopamine is a pleasure chemical Dopamine has many functions in the brain, from supporting concentration to regulating the production of breast milk. Even in its most closely associated functioning it is usually considered to be involved in motivation (wanting) rather than the feeling of pleasure itself. â Low serotonin causes depression A concept almost entirely promoted by pharmaceutical companies in the 1980s and 90s to sell serotonin-enhancing drugs like Prozac. No consistent evidence for it. â Video games, TV violence, porn or any other social spectre of the moment rewires the brain Everything rewires the brain as the brain works by making and remaking connections. This is often used in a contradictory fashion to suggest that the brain is both particularly susceptible to change but once changed, can't change back. â We have no control over our brain but we can control our mind The mind and the brain are the same thing described in different ways and they make us who we are. Trying to suggest one causes the other is like saying wetness causes water. The whole article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/mar/03/brain-not-simple-folk-neur\ oscience http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2013/mar/03/brain-not-simple-folk-neu\ roscience
[FairfieldLife] Beyond Imagination - Official Movie Trailer (not spam)
Dear Ones, I am an independent documentary film producer and my work on consciousness, science spirituality is non-profit, non-commercial educational and has been made available to the public for free. Please enjoy this short, 7 minute trailer for my film trilogy to get the essence of what they are about: https://vimeo.com/60887570. The films are very thought provoking and profound. Warm regards, Frank http://www.beyondmefilm.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho and invited me to visit his Web page. His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who he claimed were practicing Tantra. So for him enlightenment and being the new Osho literally means to be a pimp. Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that reading Osho's books helped him get over his mental illness and now he was enlightened himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite my Web page to make it less judgmental and suggested that Osho's hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young woman, who grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that she should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. Meditation and business do not mix and there are too many money hungry gurus out there already. It shocks me to find that many Osho disciples do not care about the crimes that were committed and are not bothered by the lies and hypocrisy of their own movement. They don't seem to comprehend that as a result of the germ warfare attack committed by Rajneesh sannyasins on a restaurant in Oregon that meditation groups have gotten a very bad name around the world. The attitude of many Osho sannyasins seems to be that as long as they get their psychic kicks out of a cult that it does not matter who was hurt or how unethical and disgraceful the behavior was. In their minds everyone else in the world was responsible for the Oregon debacle except them. As a result of this careless attitude many Americans now feel that if a meditation group starts an ashram nearby it is time to buy a gun and a gas mask. The amount of historical revisionism and propaganda put out by some Rajneesh disciples rivals the efforts of Maoists during the 1960s and their state of mind is similar. If you want to believe in one perfect man, a Pope of the universe, then anyone who criticizes that Pope is deemed a devil. Thus all the subtleties of my essay are lost on these disciples and all they claim to see on my Web page is hate and anger. Of course they do not see the hate in themselves directed at anyone who does not share their own narrow beliefs. http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi Hey Michael, Thanks for your reply. I skimmed in, and I thought it might contain something new, but as far as I could tell, it was the usual history, which I 've read, and I've also read the other side, which of course you would disregard. No matter. And for what it's worth, I will tell you that in addition to Maharisi, I like Frederick Lenz, aka Rama. I would have jumped ship for Rama if I had known about him. I like Osho. I really, really, like Muktananda. I like Vivekenanda. Do you know by the way, that one time Vivikenda made a mildly disparaging remark against black people. Want to make sure you don't miss that. Of course I like Ramakrishna. It was hinted that he might have had a thing for young boys, and he did eat beef in a temple once, if I have the story correct. I feel great devotion to Yogananda, and yes, he has had accusations hurled against him. I don't know much about Ramana Maharishi. He seems unscathed by any scandals. I am sure I am missing many in the like column. I think your calling might be as a formal anticultist. You have the bonifides, and I mean this seriously. You have traversed different paths, and I think you can make a strong case of why these practices or traditions may be cults, or at least have cult elements. But where at one time, you might have been able to separate out the positive aspects of these teachings, you now seem one pointedly focussed on the negatives, blowing them up to what I feel is an outsized proportion, and holding, what I see as a pretty big grudge. And of course the bottom line, is how you feel you are doing in your personal life. I hope well. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Not surprised that you would like him http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/21/before_he_was_o/ From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 9:46 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  Shok, I really enjoyed this commentary. Too bad you had to register to read more. May do
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: MMY said that the human brain is the microcosm of the entire universe. Can this be proved? Can it be proved that he was talking bollocks? Easy, as the old song goes: Give a monkey a brain and it'll swear it's the centre of the universe
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: MMY said that the human brain is the microcosm of the entire universe. Can this be proved? Can it be proved that he was talking bollocks? Easy, as the old song goes: Give a monkey a brain and it'll swear it's the centre of the universe Which obviously doesn't constitute proof, for that we need a simple comparison of scale, purpose, build quality and possible functions. The universe is a cold, dark, expanding ball of mostly nothing except for a few trillion galaxies made up of several billion balls of fusing hydrogen nuclei orbiting a central black hole where everything in existence will one day end up. Around one of these doomed stars is a rocky planet where 5 billion years of evolving bacteria has produced some strange upright apes with a few pounds of cunningly wired lumps of mostly water and fat in their heads that come up with some really odd ideas. Undeniable though is the fact that the human brain is by far, the most complex thing known (at the moment). Physics can be said to be the complex study of simple things whereas biology is the simple study of complex things. The two ideas meet at the level of brains which are difficult to understand and complicated to build. The whole subject is made harder by the fact that brains cannot intuitively understand themselves, in fact they can hold completely nonsensical ideas about what they are and where they came from as MMY and his vedic cosmology demonstrate. We have ideas that what goes on in our heads has a parallel at the large scale structure of the universe but it doesn't really. The best (or at least most important to us) of these neurological misconceptions is the last in the list: The mind and the brain are the same thing described in different ways and they make us who we are. Trying to suggest one causes the other is like saying wetness causes water.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation ââ¬â becoming popular again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: Unfortunately Katy Perry is 28, and a TM'er - my daughter loves her music but doesn't give a crap about Perry doing TM (thank God!) I'm just waiting for TM poster boy Russell Brand to do one of his regular public meltdowns and embarrass the fuck out of everybody. He is a hideously vain and egotistical human being, and very unpredictable. I think it only a matter of time before Lynch and the gang have to put some serious distance between him and them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho and invited me to visit his Web page. His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who he claimed were practicing Tantra. So for him enlightenment and being the new Osho literally means to be a pimp. Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that reading Osho's books helped him get over his mental illness and now he was enlightened himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite my Web page to make it less judgmental and suggested that Osho's hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young woman, who grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that she should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. Meditation and business do not mix and there are too many money hungry gurus out there already. It shocks me to find that many Osho disciples do not care about the crimes that were committed and are not bothered by the lies and hypocrisy of their own movement. They don't seem to comprehend that as a result of the germ warfare attack committed by Rajneesh sannyasins on a restaurant in Oregon that meditation groups have gotten a very bad name around the world.  The attitude of many Osho sannyasins seems to be that as long as they get their psychic kicks out of a cult that it does not matter who was hurt or how unethical and disgraceful the behavior was. In their minds everyone else in the world was responsible for the Oregon debacle except them. As a result of this careless attitude many Americans now feel that if a meditation group starts an ashram nearby it is time to buy a gun and a gas mask. The amount of historical revisionism and propaganda put out by some Rajneesh disciples rivals the efforts of Maoists during the 1960s and their state of mind is similar. If you want to believe in one perfect man, a Pope of the universe, then anyone who criticizes that Pope is deemed a devil. Thus all the subtleties of my essay are lost on these disciples and all they claim to see on my Web page is hate and anger. Of course they do not see the hate in themselves directed at anyone who does not share their own narrow beliefs. http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  Hey Michael, Thanks for your reply. I skimmed in, and I thought it might contain something new, but as far as I could tell, it was the usual history, which I 've read, and I've also read the other side, which of course you would disregard. No matter. And for what it's worth, I will tell you that in addition to Maharisi, I like Frederick Lenz, aka Rama. I would have jumped ship for Rama if I had known about him. I like Osho. I really, really, like Muktananda. I like Vivekenanda. Do you know by the way, that one time Vivikenda made a mildly disparaging remark against black people. Want to make sure you don't miss that. Of course I like Ramakrishna. It was hinted that he might have had a thing for young boys, and he did eat beef in a temple once, if I have the story correct. I feel great devotion to Yogananda, and yes, he has had accusations hurled against him. I don't know much about Ramana Maharishi. He seems unscathed by any scandals. I am sure I am missing many in the like column. I think your calling might be as a formal anticultist. You have the bonifides, and I mean this seriously. You have traversed different paths, and I think you can make a strong case of why these practices or traditions may be cults, or at least have cult elements. But where at one time, you might have been able to separate out the positive aspects of these teachings, you now seem one pointedly focussed on the negatives, blowing them up to what I feel is an outsized proportion, and holding, what I see as a pretty big grudge. And of course the bottom line, is how you feel you are doing in your personal life. I hope well.  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Not surprised that you would like him http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/21/before_he_was_o/ From: seventhray27
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: snip The best (or at least most important to us) of these neurological misconceptions is the last in the list: The mind and the brain are the same thing described in different ways and they make us who we are. You genuinely aren't aware that this is *the* most controversial proposition on this list of supposed misconceptions? The writer--a neuropsychologist-- is certainly aware of it. For him to proclaim that the mind and the brain are the same thing described in different ways as if it were established fact is absurd (and possibly deliberately deceptive). He may *wish* it were established fact because he believes in it so strongly, but the relationship of mind to brain is an extremely perplexing issue about which there are many passionate opinions and nothing remotely like a consensus, nor, as yet, any promising approach to nailing down the truth. Trying to suggest one causes the other is like saying wetness causes water. I doubt anyone has ever tried to suggest that the mind causes the brain. To say the brain causes the mind is more reasonable, like saying water causes wetness, but his rejection of causation either way amounts to a straw man given our lack of knowledge about the nature of the brain-mind relationship.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â becoming popular again
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Or from Twin Peaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjKZzKLpNII :-) On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason. Dear Barry, you just don't get it. You refuse to get it. It eludes you because you are stubborn, wear very narrow blinkers and have some sort of block, be it spiritual, physical or mental. You don't get it so much that you won't even be sure what it is I am talking about that you don't get. You will think about it for as long as it takes you to read these words and then move on to wherever it is your mind tends to want to go. You write words and words, it is always the same message, but they are very far from addressing what is real or relevant. You are stuck in some nightmarish, Twilight Zonish, Groundhog Day type rotating door type of repetition and broken/skipping record world of your own making. For our sake, for your sake, I am begging you, can you move past this? I mean, even a baby sitting in front of a piano can find more than one key to hit.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢â∠â becoming popular again
Exactly. Except if it has some tie to M, then you got to be sure and give it a kick, for good measure. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: well, yeah if you want to ham it up and everything - life is just life - we change and transform all the time - why reduce it to a platitude? From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢â∠â becoming popular again  that's fine. call it whatever you want, but the fact of the matter is that the statement is true, and applies to most any endeavour one engages in, at least for personal development. you might as well throw them all in the trash bin, including probably many you yourself have said here. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: You suspect incorrectly - that is one of those bullshit pseudo-spiritual platitudes that don't mean squat From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢â∠becoming popular again àI suspect if this quote came from someone other than Maharishi, you would find someway to embrace it.àAgain, your knee jerk reactions often make you look more like a bigot than anything else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: That is a good one - meditators, sidhas, governors, executive governors, ministers of the Age of Enlightenment sacrifice time, effort, energy, belief and money so Marshy and his King and Court of Jesters er, Rajas can be all they can be. From: doctordumbass@ doctordumbass@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢â∠becoming popular again ÃâàThe important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Hadn't seen this one before. Thank You! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-\ popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 ÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãââ ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. IÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. WhatÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM isÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàthe mostÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàscientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it isÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàthe most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second butÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâàfar behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. WhatÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is toÃÆ'ââ¬Å¡Ãâànot try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is thatÃÆ'ââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? Nobody in the TM movement can fly. Is that really a criteria related to enlightenment? Is that anything a normal, healthy human being should be able to do? Does it have relevance to anything worthwhile or useful? Are humans who could fly smarter, more compassionate, more beautiful to look at? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho and invited me to visit his Web page. His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who he claimed were practicing Tantra. So for him enlightenment and being the new Osho literally means to be a pimp. Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that reading Osho's books helped him get over his mental illness and now he was enlightened himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite my Web page to make it less judgmental and suggested that Osho's hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young woman, who grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that she should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. Meditation and business do not mix and there are too many money hungry gurus out there already. It shocks me to find that many Osho disciples do not care about the crimes that were committed and are not bothered by the lies and hypocrisy of their own movement. They don't seem to comprehend that as a result of the germ warfare attack committed by Rajneesh sannyasins on a restaurant in Oregon that meditation groups have gotten a very bad name around the world.  The attitude of many Osho sannyasins seems to be that as long as they get their psychic kicks out of a cult that it does not matter who was hurt or how unethical and disgraceful the behavior was. In their minds everyone else in the world was responsible for the Oregon debacle except them. As a result of this careless attitude many Americans now feel that if a meditation group starts an ashram nearby it is time to buy a gun and a gas mask. The amount of historical revisionism and propaganda put out by some Rajneesh disciples rivals the efforts of Maoists during the 1960s and their state of mind is similar. If you want to believe in one perfect man, a Pope of the universe, then anyone who criticizes that Pope is deemed a devil. Thus all the subtleties of my essay are lost on these disciples and all they claim to see on my Web page is hate and anger. Of course they do not see the hate in themselves directed at anyone who does not share their own narrow beliefs. http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  Hey Michael, Thanks for your reply. I skimmed in, and I thought it might contain something new, but as far as I could tell, it was the usual history, which I 've read, and I've also read the other side, which of course you would disregard. No matter. And for what it's worth, I will tell you that in addition to Maharisi, I like Frederick Lenz, aka Rama. I would have jumped ship for Rama if I had known about him. I like Osho. I really, really, like Muktananda. I like Vivekenanda. Do you know by the way, that one time Vivikenda made a mildly disparaging remark against black people. Want to make sure you don't miss that. Of course I like Ramakrishna. It was hinted that he might have had a thing for young boys, and he did eat beef in a temple once, if I have the story correct. I feel great devotion to Yogananda, and yes, he has had accusations hurled against him. I don't know much about Ramana Maharishi. He seems unscathed by any scandals. I am sure I am missing many in the like column. I think your calling might be as a formal anticultist. You have the bonifides, and I mean this seriously. You have traversed different paths, and I think you can make a strong case of why these practices or traditions may be cults, or at least have cult elements. But where at one time, you might have been able to separate out the positive aspects of these teachings, you now seem one pointedly focussed on the negatives, blowing them up to
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[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Thanks Michael, One more, in the like column, that I forgot to include is the St. Germain Foundation as founded by Guy and Edna Ballard. Beloved Mama and Daddy, as they are sometimes known. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho and invited me to visit his Web page. His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who he claimed were practicing Tantra. So for him enlightenment and being the new Osho literally means to be a pimp. Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that reading Osho's books helped him get over his mental illness and now he was enlightened himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite my Web page to make it less judgmental and suggested that Osho's hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young woman, who grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that she should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. Meditation and business do not mix and there are too many money hungry gurus out there already. It shocks me to find that many Osho disciples do not care about the crimes that were committed and are not bothered by the lies and hypocrisy of their own movement. They don't seem to comprehend that as a result of the germ warfare attack committed by Rajneesh sannyasins on a restaurant in Oregon that meditation groups have gotten a very bad name around the world.  The attitude of many Osho sannyasins seems to be that as long as they get their psychic kicks out of a cult that it does not matter who was hurt or how unethical and disgraceful the behavior was. In their minds everyone else in the world was responsible for the Oregon debacle except them. As a result of this careless attitude many Americans now feel that if a meditation group starts an ashram nearby it is time to buy a gun and a gas mask. The amount of historical revisionism and propaganda put out by some Rajneesh disciples rivals the efforts of Maoists during the 1960s and their state of mind is similar. If you want to believe in one perfect man, a Pope of the universe, then anyone who criticizes that Pope is deemed a devil. Thus all the subtleties of my essay are lost on these disciples and all they claim to see on my Web page is hate and anger. Of course they do not see the hate in themselves directed at anyone who does not share their own narrow beliefs. http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  Hey Michael, Thanks for your reply. I skimmed in, and I thought it might contain something new, but as far as I could tell, it was the usual history, which I 've read, and I've also read the other side, which of course you would disregard. No matter. And for what it's worth, I will tell you that in addition to Maharisi, I like Frederick Lenz, aka Rama. I would have jumped ship for Rama if I had known about him. I like Osho. I really, really, like Muktananda. I like Vivekenanda. Do you know by the way, that one time Vivikenda made a mildly disparaging remark against black people. Want to make sure you don't miss that. Of course I like Ramakrishna. It was hinted that he might have had a thing for young boys, and he did eat beef in a temple once, if I have the story correct. I feel great devotion to Yogananda, and yes, he has had accusations hurled against him. I don't know much about Ramana Maharishi. He seems unscathed by any scandals. I am sure I am missing many in the like column. I think your calling might be as a formal anticultist. You have the bonifides, and I mean this seriously. You have traversed different paths, and I think you can make a strong case of why these practices or traditions may be cults, or at least have cult elements. But where at one time, you might have been able to separate out the positive aspects of these teachings, you now seem one pointedly focussed on the negatives, blowing them up to what I feel is an outsized proportion, and holding, what I see as a pretty big grudge. And of course the bottom line, is how you feel you are doing in your personal life. I hope well.  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: Not surprised that you would like him http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/21/before_he_was_o/ From: seventhray27
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation ââ¬â becoming popular again
Means the same thing as, if you see the Buddha on the road, kill him, only updated. It means never take yourself so seriously as to forego a leap into the unknown, vs. getting caught up in an identity. Transcend constantly, challenge everything, especially yourself. Become wise to the ways you settle for a can of beans, instead of chucking it at the first opportunity, and continuing to push for your birthright. The truth of Maharishi's statement doesn't work with a group, rather it is an independent judgment of ourselves, to ourselves. The personal voyage of the soul, beyond itself; becoming *established* in Being. Letting go, is paradoxically, the only way to become established in Being. So, just let go. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: That is a good one - meditators, sidhas, governors, executive governors, ministers of the Age of Enlightenment sacrifice time, effort, energy, belief and money so Marshy and his King and Court of Jesters er, Rajas can be all they can be. From: doctordumbass@... doctordumbass@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation ââ¬â becoming popular again  The important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become. - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Hadn't seen this one before. Thank You! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merlin wrote: @ http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ By kennethwestlee on February 28, 2013 ââ¬Â¢ ( 0 ) Sometime into my awakening I began looking into meditation. A great friend of mine and a mentor of mine both told me that they practice meditation routinely. Iââ¬â¢ve heard of wild psychedelic meditations as well as spiritual atonement meditations. I tried following some basic meditation guidelines online but quickly became frustrated from not having a worldly meditative experience or spiritual hallucinations. Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOââ¬â¢s of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. Whatââ¬â¢s the big deal? Is it a placebo movement or is there real science to this meditation technique? Am I going to need to spend a month in a mountain cave learning this technique 24/7. Turns out, the answers were more incredible than I could ever hope for. TM isàthe mostàscientifically researched meditation technique to date. Why? Well because it isàthe most effective and immediate form of meditation ever considered, with mindfulness coming in second butàfar behind in the numbers. See the main scientific benefits and facts right here, click the most intriguing subjects and dive deeper for 30 seconds. I dove real deep, watched this 23 minute crash course on TM. Now I can preach it. So, TM works instantly. Great. Whatââ¬â¢s the secret to trying it out? The difficult thing to learn about TM is toànot try at it, let it happen naturally. The ironic thing is thatââ¬â¢s tougher than it sounds because we typically assume sitting down and meditating is making an effort towards meditation. Do you make a big effort to take a nap in the middle of the day when you really need one? The catch is, TM is something your body and mind have been wanting to do since you were born (like always needing a nap but never knowing a simple nap was the available solution). So if you can have someone show you how to use the mantra correctly (or really let the mantra use you), and teach you how to let it just happen naturally, your first time trying it youââ¬â¢re guaranteed to have a life changing experience. àHave a quick 4 minutes to have your mind blown? Watchàthis video. This is the most impactful video I came across. àThe important thing is this: to be able, at any moment, to sacrifice what we are for what we can become.à- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi *** @
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Ann, From what we know, no TMers have been able to fly. But IMO MMY was able to perform this feat. Otherwise, why did he make an explicit point that TMers can fly using his method? Outside of the TMO, many saints in the Catholic Curch were known to have levitated, including St. Teresa of Avila. So, levitation or flying can be used as a criteria to determine one's state of consciousness, specifically that of enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? Nobody in the TM movement can fly. Is that really a criteria related to enlightenment? Is that anything a normal, healthy human being should be able to do? Does it have relevance to anything worthwhile or useful? Are humans who could fly smarter, more compassionate, more beautiful to look at? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho and invited me to visit his Web page. His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who he claimed were practicing Tantra. So for him enlightenment and being the new Osho literally means to be a pimp. Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that reading Osho's books helped him get over his mental illness and now he was enlightened himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite my Web page to make it less judgmental and suggested that Osho's hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young woman, who grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that she should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. Meditation and business do not mix and there are too many money hungry gurus out there already. It shocks me to find that many Osho disciples do not care about the crimes that were committed and are not bothered by the lies and hypocrisy of their own movement. They don't seem to comprehend that as a result of the germ warfare attack committed by Rajneesh sannyasins on a restaurant in Oregon that meditation groups have gotten a very bad name around the world.  The attitude of many Osho sannyasins seems to be that as long as they get their psychic kicks out of a cult that it does not matter who was hurt or how unethical and disgraceful the behavior was. In their minds everyone else in the world was responsible for the Oregon debacle except them. As a result of this careless attitude many Americans now feel that if a meditation group starts an ashram nearby it is time to buy a gun and a gas mask. The amount of historical revisionism and propaganda put out by some Rajneesh disciples rivals the efforts of Maoists during the 1960s and their state of mind is similar. If you want to believe in one perfect man, a Pope of the universe, then anyone who criticizes that Pope is deemed a devil. Thus all the subtleties of my essay are lost on these disciples and all they claim to see on my Web page is hate and anger. Of course they do not see the hate in themselves directed at anyone who does not share their own narrow beliefs. http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  Hey Michael, Thanks for your reply. I skimmed in, and I thought it might contain something new, but as far as I could tell, it was the usual history, which I 've read, and I've also read the other side, which of course you would disregard. No matter. And for what it's worth, I will tell you that in addition to Maharisi, I like Frederick Lenz, aka Rama. I would have jumped ship for Rama if I had known about him. I like Osho. I really, really, like Muktananda. I like Vivekenanda. Do you know by the way, that one time Vivikenda made a mildly disparaging remark against black people. Want to make sure you don't miss that. Of course I like Ramakrishna. It was hinted that he might have had a thing for young boys, and he did eat beef in a temple once, if I have the story correct. I feel great devotion to Yogananda, and yes, he has had accusations hurled against
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â becoming popular again
None of that really seems to matter. There are many developing countries where TM is clearly popular. So if it less desirable in one culture, it will be more popular in another. Are you familiar with global economics at all?? Same principle, different need. If you want to continue as the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike, please do, but you are wasting your time. These little impotent rants of yours have accomplished absolutely nothing over the years, in terms of whether of not TM is popular. You have dissuaded exactly zero people from doing TM. No impact at all. Do you know why you have failed? It is simple. Dissuading others was never the objective. These rants of yours have a lot more to do with Barry, than they do with Maharishi, TM, John Hagelin, Raja Ram, The Ganges, India, The TM Sidhis program, The Domes, Mantras, Bevan Morris, Jyotish, Vedanta, and whatever else you have ranted against these last twenty years. As to what it might be about you, Barry, that needs this obsessive focus on something you don't impact at all, I have no idea. But I do know with absolute certainty that it has nothing to do with Maharishi, TM, John Hagelin, Raja Ram, The Ganges, India, The TM Sidhis program, The Domes, Mantras, Bevan Morris, Jyotish, Vedanta, and whatever else you have ranted against these last twenty years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason. Seriously, am I the only person here who has noticed that there is something seriously OFF about the TMO's marketing campaign? Its *entire* focus is to attract OLD people, OLD people with MONEY, and to entice them to contribute money so that TM can be *imposed* on either young people who have no interest in it because it's less hip that bell-bottom pants, or people at risk who are in prison, suffering from PTSD, or otherwise impaired? And *this* is the technique/philosophy that is going to change the world, and make it a better place? Isn't that a process that traditionally falls to the *youth* of a nation to do? Suppose that when you were a teen or a young adult some OLD people had come along and, in your schools or wherever it might have been taught, had *imposed* TM on you? What do you think would be the likelihood of you still being a TMer? And yet THAT is what the people who keep touting the TMO's marketing scheme seem to believe, or at the very least, profess to believe. Me, I kinda think that these are the fantasies of OLD people who cannot relate to young people *at all*, and as a result base all of their sales pitches on an appeal to OLD people like themselves, trying to get them to do what is right for all these poor, young folks who aren't OLD enough or smart enough to make decisions for themselves. Yeah, THAT sure worked with Just Say No and other such OLD PERSON fantasies trying to impose themselves on my generation. I cannot help but believe it's going to be just about as successful with a new generation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Ann, From what we know, no TMers have been able to fly. But IMO MMY was able to perform this feat. Otherwise, why did he make an explicit point that TMers can fly using his method? Outside of the TMO, many saints in the Catholic Curch were known to have levitated, including St. Teresa of Avila. So, levitation or flying can be used as a criteria to determine one's state of consciousness, specifically that of enlightenment. Well, certainly a state of ecstasy, devotion and adoration of God in St Teresa's case it seems. From the little reading I have done about her it appears her levitations were an unusual byproduct of this intense experience of God and his essence, his love, the excruciating intensity of feeling Him within her body, permeating her Being. I would wonder if any experience during meditation using a mantra could even begin to touch such an event. Therefore I might, probably prematurely, surmise that levitation would require something far more powerful than mere transcending. St Teresa, from accounts I read, seemed to be in the presence of the Ultimate, the Infinite, the Personal God. Now THAT would be worth rising up into the air for. Here is a short synopsis I found on good old Wikipedia. They seemed to have missed number 3: The kernel of Teresa's mystical thought throughout all her writings is the ascent of the soul in four stages (The Autobiography Chs. 10-22): The first, or mental prayer, is that of devout contemplation or concentration, the withdrawal of the soul from without and specially the devout observance of the passion of Christ and penitence (Autobiography 11.20). The second is the prayer of quiet, in which at least the human will is lost in that of God by virtue of a charismatic, supernatural state given of God, while the other faculties, such as memory, reason, and imagination, are not yet secure from worldly distraction. While a partial distraction is due to outer performances such as repetition of prayers and writing down spiritual things, yet the prevailing state is one of quietude (Autobiography 14.1). The devotion of union is not only a supernatural but an essentially ecstatic state. Here there is also an absorption of the reason in God, and only the memory and imagination are left to ramble. This state is characterized by a blissful peace, a sweet slumber of at least the higher soul faculties, a conscious rapture in the love of God. The fourth is the devotion of ecstasy or rapture, a passive state, in which the consciousness of being in the body disappears (2 Corinthians 12:2-3). Sense activity ceases; memory and imagination are also absorbed in God or intoxicated. Body and spirit are in the throes of a sweet, happy pain, alternating between a fearful fiery glow, a complete impotence and unconsciousness, and a spell of strangulation, intermitted sometimes by such an ecstatic flight that the body is literally lifted into space. This after half an hour is followed by a reactionary relaxation of a few hours in a swoon-like weakness, attended by a negation of all the faculties in the union with God. From this the subject awakens in tears; it is the climax of mystical experience, productive of the trance. (Indeed, she was said to have been observed levitating during Mass on more than one occasion (The Interior Castle St Teresa Of Avila translated by Mirabai Starr.) Teresa is one of the foremost writers on mental prayer, and her position among writers on mystical theology is unique. In all her writings on this subject she deals with her personal experiences, which a deep insight and analytical gifts enabled her to explain clearly. Her definition was used in the Catechism of the Catholic Church: Contemplative prayer [oración mental] in my opinion is nothing else than a close sharing between friends; it means taking time frequently to be alone with him who we know loves us.[9] Throughout her writings, persistent metaphors provide a vivid illustration of the image of mystic prayer as watering a garden. [edit] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? Nobody in the TM movement can fly. Is that really a criteria related to enlightenment? Is that anything a normal, healthy human being should be able to do? Does it have relevance to anything worthwhile or useful? Are humans who could fly smarter, more compassionate, more beautiful to look at? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho
[FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation â becoming popular again
Amen to that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: None of that really seems to matter. There are many developing countries where TM is clearly popular. So if it less desirable in one culture, it will be more popular in another. Are you familiar with global economics at all?? Same principle, different need. If you want to continue as the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike, please do, but you are wasting your time. These little impotent rants of yours have accomplished absolutely nothing over the years, in terms of whether of not TM is popular. You have dissuaded exactly zero people from doing TM. No impact at all. Do you know why you have failed? It is simple. Dissuading others was never the objective. These rants of yours have a lot more to do with Barry, than they do with Maharishi, TM, John Hagelin, Raja Ram, The Ganges, India, The TM Sidhis program, The Domes, Mantras, Bevan Morris, Jyotish, Vedanta, and whatever else you have ranted against these last twenty years. As to what it might be about you, Barry, that needs this obsessive focus on something you don't impact at all, I have no idea. But I do know with absolute certainty that it has nothing to do with Maharishi, TM, John Hagelin, Raja Ram, The Ganges, India, The TM Sidhis program, The Domes, Mantras, Bevan Morris, Jyotish, Vedanta, and whatever else you have ranted against these last twenty years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: On 03/03/2013 07:26 AM, merlin wrote: http://kennethwestlee.com/2013/02/28/transcendental-meditation-becoming-popular-again/ [snip] Then I discovered TM (Transcendental Meditation). The first thing I learned was, The Beatles did it. Then I learned Jim Carey, Russell Brand, Oprah Winfrey, Ellen DeGeneres, Russell Simmons, Clint Eastwood, Dr. Oz, and lots of CEOs of Fortune 500 companies practice and advocate like mad for TM. One of the things that amazes me about the people who keep forwarding articles like this is that they don't seem to realize that everyone on their lists of famous meditators is OLD AS FUCK. The youngest on this list is Russell Brand, at 38. Ellen DeGeneris is 55. Dr. Oz is 53. Oprah is 59. Jim Carrey is 51. The Beatles are so old that many people under the age of 25 have never heard of them. Put aside the absurdity of deciding to learn a technique of meditation because a famous person says so. That's so retarded as not to require comment. But to pretend that TM is becoming popular again when the only people they can come up with to shill for it are OLD AND IN THE WAY, and in many cases old enough to be the parents, grand- parents, and (with the Beatles) even great-grandparents of kids these days? That's kinda pathetic. Try to imagine TMers trying to pitch this shit to people of high school age or early college age who may well have heard of NONE of these people, let alone be impressed by what they might think of anything. Kids these days would look at them as if they were insane. And with reason. Seriously, am I the only person here who has noticed that there is something seriously OFF about the TMO's marketing campaign? Its *entire* focus is to attract OLD people, OLD people with MONEY, and to entice them to contribute money so that TM can be *imposed* on either young people who have no interest in it because it's less hip that bell-bottom pants, or people at risk who are in prison, suffering from PTSD, or otherwise impaired? And *this* is the technique/philosophy that is going to change the world, and make it a better place? Isn't that a process that traditionally falls to the *youth* of a nation to do? Suppose that when you were a teen or a young adult some OLD people had come along and, in your schools or wherever it might have been taught, had *imposed* TM on you? What do you think would be the likelihood of you still being a TMer? And yet THAT is what the people who keep touting the TMO's marketing scheme seem to believe, or at the very least, profess to believe. Me, I kinda think that these are the fantasies of OLD people who cannot relate to young people *at all*, and as a result base all of their sales pitches on an appeal to OLD people like themselves, trying to get them to do what is right for all these poor, young folks who aren't OLD enough or smart enough to make decisions for themselves. Yeah, THAT sure worked with Just Say No and other such OLD PERSON fantasies trying to impose themselves on my generation. I cannot help but believe it's going to be just about as successful with a new generation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Great subject! My take on it is he always wanted those who followed him to, one, not get caught up in our heads, and two, by presenting a far reaching benchmark, to keep us humble, and recognize that Divine Grace is a long term union. As to whether or not physical flying is desirable, the question becomes *less* relevant with spiritual progress. Ordinary life begins to become so extraordinary, so full, so lush and wondrous, that the imaginings of the bound ego don't really capture the attention any longer. So, Maharishi laid a land mine, a challenge to each of us, to fly. To at least set the boundaries of experience far beyond our common ones. As we approach the ability, we recognize freedom engulfing us, and learning to fly takes on a more accessible meaning. Let's fly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@... wrote: Ann, From what we know, no TMers have been able to fly. But IMO MMY was able to perform this feat. Otherwise, why did he make an explicit point that TMers can fly using his method? Outside of the TMO, many saints in the Catholic Curch were known to have levitated, including St. Teresa of Avila. So, levitation or flying can be used as a criteria to determine one's state of consciousness, specifically that of enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? Nobody in the TM movement can fly. Is that really a criteria related to enlightenment? Is that anything a normal, healthy human being should be able to do? Does it have relevance to anything worthwhile or useful? Are humans who could fly smarter, more compassionate, more beautiful to look at? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho and invited me to visit his Web page. His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who he claimed were practicing Tantra. So for him enlightenment and being the new Osho literally means to be a pimp. Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that reading Osho's books helped him get over his mental illness and now he was enlightened himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite my Web page to make it less judgmental and suggested that Osho's hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young woman, who grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that she should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. Meditation and business do not mix and there are too many money hungry gurus out there already. It shocks me to find that many Osho disciples do not care about the crimes that were committed and are not bothered by the lies and hypocrisy of their own movement. They don't seem to comprehend that as a result of the germ warfare attack committed by Rajneesh sannyasins on a restaurant in Oregon that meditation groups have gotten a very bad name around the world. Â The attitude of many Osho sannyasins seems to be that as long as they get their psychic kicks out of a cult that it does not matter who was hurt or how unethical and disgraceful the behavior was. In their minds everyone else in the world was responsible for the Oregon debacle except them. As a result of this careless attitude many Americans now feel that if a meditation group starts an ashram nearby it is time to buy a gun and a gas mask. The amount of historical revisionism and propaganda put out by some Rajneesh disciples rivals the efforts of Maoists during the 1960s and their state of mind is similar. If you want to believe in one perfect man, a Pope of the universe, then anyone who criticizes that Pope is deemed a devil. Thus all the subtleties of my essay are lost on these disciples and all they claim to see on my Web page is hate and anger. Of course they do not see the hate in themselves directed at anyone who does not share their own narrow beliefs. http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Great subject! My take on it is he always wanted those who followed him to, one, not get caught up in our heads, and two, by presenting a far reaching benchmark, to keep us humble, and recognize that Divine Grace is a long term union. Interesting. I like that idea of the reaching and the humility. I love to be given a goal, something to strive, work for. It makes life seem so full of possibilities, gives it stretch and reach and undefinable limits. Nothing seems worse to me than the known, than something extending into the future that has realized limits. As to whether or not physical flying is desirable, the question becomes *less* relevant with spiritual progress. Ordinary life begins to become so extraordinary, so full, so lush and wondrous, that the imaginings of the bound ego don't really capture the attention any longer. I don't know about the bound ego but I do know about the lushness and wondrous quality of life. I'm like a little kid waking up each morning as if it's Christmas. I'm one of those leapers-out-of-bed each day. So, Maharishi laid a land mine, a challenge to each of us, to fly. To at least set the boundaries of experience far beyond our common ones. As we approach the ability, we recognize freedom engulfing us, and learning to fly takes on a more accessible meaning. I never think about flying. Just being able to walk upright and realize all those body parts are functioning coherently is miracle enough. Just having a body is enough. When you can marvel and wonder at the 'everyday' things very little else seems to supersede that. Everything is a source of amazement, at least in my little world. Now I am going to go eat dinner - another astounding feat. Let's fly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Ann, From what we know, no TMers have been able to fly. But IMO MMY was able to perform this feat. Otherwise, why did he make an explicit point that TMers can fly using his method? Outside of the TMO, many saints in the Catholic Curch were known to have levitated, including St. Teresa of Avila. So, levitation or flying can be used as a criteria to determine one's state of consciousness, specifically that of enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? Nobody in the TM movement can fly. Is that really a criteria related to enlightenment? Is that anything a normal, healthy human being should be able to do? Does it have relevance to anything worthwhile or useful? Are humans who could fly smarter, more compassionate, more beautiful to look at? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho and invited me to visit his Web page. His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who he claimed were practicing Tantra. So for him enlightenment and being the new Osho literally means to be a pimp. Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that reading Osho's books helped him get over his mental illness and now he was enlightened himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite my Web page to make it less judgmental and suggested that Osho's hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young woman, who grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that she should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. Meditation and business do not mix and there are too many money hungry gurus out there already. It shocks me to find that many Osho disciples do not care about the crimes that were committed and are not bothered by the lies and hypocrisy of their own movement. They don't seem to comprehend that as a result of the germ warfare attack committed by Rajneesh sannyasins on a restaurant in Oregon that meditation groups have gotten a very bad name around the world. Â The attitude of many Osho sannyasins seems to be that as long as they get their psychic kicks out of a cult that it does not matter who was hurt or how unethical and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
Well I ate some salmon first, good protein to buffer the sugar uptake. Usually I don't eat fruit but I did enjoy the pineapple a lot. My Mom's diabetic and my doc said I need to watch out for that. I like the idea of the doshas and metabolic rates. Here's a question: what's the disadvantage of fast metabolism? I can see the disadvantage of slow. As for cold contracting, if I remember correctly, both vata and kapha are cold, yet one is fast, the other slow. Trying to reconcile some seeming contradictions. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to do my morning walk wearing shorts it was already that warm. That's why some of us like to live in Kalifornia. Actually the conflict might be between left and right brained people not so much materialism and spirituality. Or maybe the spiritual folks will come out on the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Hmmm, it doesn't seem to fit at all. Well maybe progress comes close to superphysical. But it's quite a stretch. BTW, thanks for the tip about magnets. I've used them before with good success. Hadn't thought of them for ears. I ordered The Healing Code. Thanks for recommendation. From: card cardemais...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi Well, sorry, but I'm mainly just a translation machine, or something like that... :D But, FWIW, that's Taimni's translation of pravRtti. Obviously not very accurate: pravRttif. coming forth, rising, appearance, origin; progress, advance, activity, endeavour, application or devotion to, occupation or dealing with (loc. or ---); acting, proceeding; use, employment; continuance, validity of a rule (g.); fate, destiny; news, tidings. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: Hey card, can you say more about what might be meant by superphysical? From: card To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 3:32 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  pravRttyaalokanyaasaat suukSmavyavahitaviprakRSTajñaanam pravRtti+aaloka-nyaasaat suukSma-vyavahita-viprakRSTa-jñaanam Knowledge ofthe small,the hidden orthe distant by directing the light of superphysical faculty. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, card wrote: I'n not at all sure about it, but I think inner light is rather III 25 (26 in some editions), which Shearer translates like this: By directing the inner light* we can see what is subtle, hidden from view or far away. * pravRtti-aaloka -- card --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: Card, is this the same as being used in the sidhi programme, (inner light)? Looks like it is from its placement. http://yogasutrastudy.info/yoga-sutra-translations/ysp-sutras3-21-3-40/ Sutra III.32 मूर्धज्योतिषि सिद्धदर्शनम्॥३२॥ mUrdhajyothiShi siddhadarshanam [HA]: (By Practicing Samyama) On The Coronal Light, Siddhas Can Be Seen. [IT]: (33): (By performing Samyama) on the light under the crown of the head vision of perfected Beings. [VH]: On the light on the top of the head †vision of the perfected ones. [BM]: From perfect discipline of the light in the head, one gets a vision of the perfected beings. [SS]: (33): By samyama on the light at the crown of the head (sahasrara chakra), visions of masters and adepts are obtained. [SP]: (33) By making samyama on the radiance within the back of the head, one becomes able to see the celestial beings. [SV]: (33): On the light emanating from the top of the head sight of the Siddhas.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Great subject! My take on it is he always wanted those who followed him to, one, not get caught up in our heads, and two, by presenting a far reaching benchmark, to keep us humble, and recognize that Divine Grace is a long term union. Interesting. I like that idea of the reaching and the humility. I love to be given a goal, something to strive, work for. It makes life seem so full of possibilities, gives it stretch and reach and undefinable limits. Nothing seems worse to me than the known, than something extending into the future that has realized limits. **Yep, after awhile, for all practical purposes, there is no longer an unknown. Everything simply, dynamically falls into place. A weird phenomenon, where there is both the sense of stability, and at the same time constant change, expansion of awareness, with no conflict. As to whether or not physical flying is desirable, the question becomes *less* relevant with spiritual progress. Ordinary life begins to become so extraordinary, so full, so lush and wondrous, that the imaginings of the bound ego don't really capture the attention any longer. I don't know about the bound ego but I do know about the lushness and wondrous quality of life. I'm like a little kid waking up each morning as if it's Christmas. I'm one of those leapers-out-of-bed each day. **Me too! Definitely! I enjoy waking up before dawn, and watching the light come up, hearing the birds, and traffic become active. Then it is adventure time! So, Maharishi laid a land mine, a challenge to each of us, to fly. To at least set the boundaries of experience far beyond our common ones. As we approach the ability, we recognize freedom engulfing us, and learning to fly takes on a more accessible meaning. I never think about flying. Just being able to walk upright and realize all those body parts are functioning coherently is miracle enough. Just having a body is enough. When you can marvel and wonder at the 'everyday' things very little else seems to supersede that. Everything is a source of amazement, at least in my little world. Now I am going to go eat dinner - another astounding feat. **Yeah! It isn't only in the diversity, also the deep appreciation. Let's fly. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Ann, From what we know, no TMers have been able to fly. But IMO MMY was able to perform this feat. Otherwise, why did he make an explicit point that TMers can fly using his method? Outside of the TMO, many saints in the Catholic Curch were known to have levitated, including St. Teresa of Avila. So, levitation or flying can be used as a criteria to determine one's state of consciousness, specifically that of enlightenment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? Nobody in the TM movement can fly. Is that really a criteria related to enlightenment? Is that anything a normal, healthy human being should be able to do? Does it have relevance to anything worthwhile or useful? Are humans who could fly smarter, more compassionate, more beautiful to look at? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@ wrote: An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho and invited me to visit his Web page. His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who he claimed were practicing Tantra. So for him enlightenment and being the new Osho literally means to be a pimp. Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that reading Osho's books helped him get over his mental illness and now he was enlightened himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite my Web page to make it less judgmental and suggested that Osho's hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young woman, who grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that she should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. Meditation and business do not mix and
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur
On 03/03/2013 06:46 PM, Share Long wrote: Well I ate some salmon first, good protein to buffer the sugar uptake. Usually I don't eat fruit but I did enjoy the pineapple a lot. My Mom's diabetic and my doc said I need to watch out for that. I like the idea of the doshas and metabolic rates. Here's a question: what's the disadvantage of fast metabolism? I can see the disadvantage of slow. Burn carbs too fast you get fat too because the body stashes the carbs away as fat. Plus you get low blood sugar. As for cold contracting, if I remember correctly, both vata and kapha are cold, yet one is fast, the other slow. Trying to reconcile some seeming contradictions. Vata is cold dry and kapha is cold wet. Air gives no resistance while water slows things down. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur Plus too much fruit may throw your blood sugar off. That's why a little piece at a time with the pineapple. Depending on what you are doing to pacify kapha it may raise vata and pitta. And that may need to be done anyway. One Indian MD who learned ayurveda from his grandfather actually teaches that reducing kapha by increasing the other doshas because it was easier for people to understand it that way. MAPI teas have those additional herbs to moderate that as do other formulas. Usually if one is kapha but has a pitta primary constitution you might want to moderate the use of spicy foods and ginger. Ayurved is not woo-woo in any way. It may seem that way because it is using the elements to explain things. But it is biochemistry. Primarily it will help regulate the rate that you metabolize your food especially carbs. If you burn carbs too fast you can get hypoglycemia or too slow same and then that can make you fat. Of course I also have learned other systems including metabolic typing. I like to look at kapha, pitta and vata as a straight vertical line with kapha at the bottom being a slow metabolism, vata at the top being fast and pitta in the middle. At least that is how it works with my body. Also basic physics, heat expands and cold contracts. Think about that too in relation to these. MD's need to become a lot more hip in this science but the pharmaceutical companies will hate it because there is no money in it. On 03/03/2013 04:57 AM, Share Long wrote: Oh, I see. I'm not as familiar with containers of fruit as I am with cans. So that's what caused the glitch in my memory. Anyway, what you say about samadosha brings up a question I've had for quite a while: if one pacifies kapha, for example, are vata and pitta automatically increased? From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2013 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur No, I didn't say I ate a whole can. I said I went to the store and bought a container of pineapple slices because I didn't want to cut up a *whole* pineapple. The fresh foods section where the packaged fresh lettuce, spinach, etc. also has small containers of fresh sliced fruit. Much less messy than cutting up a whole pineapple and a small container cheaper too. Also a whole pineapple might have spoiled before I used it up. This was a good way to test. I only ate a slice (cube) or two at a time. I first read heard about returning the body to prakriti a few years back in several articles. Perhaps samadosha was assumed by newbie ayurveda followers. I recall one of the instructors at Dr. Lad's school telling me that samadosha wasn't so wonderful as people with that prakriti still had problems and correcting them often proved difficult. On 03/02/2013 07:51 AM, Share Long wrote: Well, you said you ate a whole can and it went away! I couldn't manage that amount but I ate quite a bit. Chunks. Organic. Very yummy. No comment about prakriti maybe being more settled than samadosha for some? Yeah, I always think the true saints of Fairfield are the people from CA who move here and stay. Mostly it's for their kids. Funny what you said about making a living selling crystals. Ok, I see what you mean about right vs left brain dominance. I still experience the spiritual and material as interpenetrating each other. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 1, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vedic Tradition? to noozguur A half a can of pineapple? I think the web page only mentions a few slices a day. Pineapple is an anti-inflammatory so will help if the tinnitus is due to that. But as the web page mentions there are different reasons for tinnitus. Haha, I was able to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again
Nope, never as long as he has a fan base they feel they can exploit - they will excuse his behavior and perhaps even say, Oh you just can't understand him cuz he's been doing TM so long. His vibration is so refined, he is beyond regular folks. From: salyavin808 fintlewoodle...@mail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 4:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Transcendental Meditation – becoming popular again --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: Unfortunately Katy Perry is 28, and a TM'er - my daughter loves her music but doesn't give a crap about Perry doing TM (thank God!) I'm just waiting for TM poster boy Russell Brand to do one of his regular public meltdowns and embarrass the fuck out of everybody. He is a hideously vain and egotistical human being, and very unpredictable. I think it only a matter of time before Lynch and the gang have to put some serious distance between him and them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
Jesus, seven - two of the biggest frauds in New Age history From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 7:27 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi Thanks Michael, One more, in the like column, that I forgot to include is the St. Germain Foundation as founded by Guy and Edna Ballard. Beloved Mama and Daddy, as they are sometimes known. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... wrote: An interesting quote, with the URL - Several Rajneesh sannyasins have written me claiming to be enlightened and I hear reports that many Rajneesh disciples now make that claim. One man said that he was the new Osho and invited me to visit his Web page. His page displayed a large heroic picture of himself, much self-promotion, and an advertisement for prostitutes in Russia who he claimed were practicing Tantra. So for him enlightenment and being the new Osho literally means to be a pimp. Another man, who had never met Osho in person, seemed to claim that reading Osho's books helped him get over his mental illness and now he was enlightened himself. He then forcefully instructed me to rewrite my Web page to make it less judgmental and suggested that Osho's hypocrisy was just a means to convey his enlightenment to others. Well, he certainly conveyed his hypocrisy to others! One young woman, who grew up on the Rajneesh Oregon commune, asked me how she could make money out of teaching Osho's meditation techniques. I replied that she should go to an employment agency and get an honest job. Meditation and business do not mix and there are too many money hungry gurus out there already. It shocks me to find that many Osho disciples do not care about the crimes that were committed and are not bothered by the lies and hypocrisy of their own movement. They don't seem to comprehend that as a result of the germ warfare attack committed by Rajneesh sannyasins on a restaurant in Oregon that meditation groups have gotten a very bad name around the world.  The attitude of many Osho sannyasins seems to be that as long as they get their psychic kicks out of a cult that it does not matter who was hurt or how unethical and disgraceful the behavior was. In their minds everyone else in the world was responsible for the Oregon debacle except them. As a result of this careless attitude many Americans now feel that if a meditation group starts an ashram nearby it is time to buy a gun and a gas mask. The amount of historical revisionism and propaganda put out by some Rajneesh disciples rivals the efforts of Maoists during the 1960s and their state of mind is similar. If you want to believe in one perfect man, a Pope of the universe, then anyone who criticizes that Pope is deemed a devil. Thus all the subtleties of my essay are lost on these disciples and all they claim to see on my Web page is hate and anger. Of course they do not see the hate in themselves directed at anyone who does not share their own narrow beliefs. http://www.enlightened-spirituality.org/rajneesh.html From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 3, 2013 10:40 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi  Hey Michael, Thanks for your reply. I skimmed in, and I thought it might contain something new, but as far as I could tell, it was the usual history, which I 've read, and I've also read the other side, which of course you would disregard. No matter. And for what it's worth, I will tell you that in addition to Maharisi, I like Frederick Lenz, aka Rama. I would have jumped ship for Rama if I had known about him. I like Osho. I really, really, like Muktananda. I like Vivekenanda. Do you know by the way, that one time Vivikenda made a mildly disparaging remark against black people. Want to make sure you don't miss that. Of course I like Ramakrishna. It was hinted that he might have had a thing for young boys, and he did eat beef in a temple once, if I have the story correct. I feel great devotion to Yogananda, and yes, he has had accusations hurled against him. I don't know much about Ramana Maharishi. He seems unscathed by any scandals. I am sure I am missing many in the like column. I think your calling might be as a formal anticultist. You have the bonifides, and I mean this seriously. You have traversed different paths, and I think you can make a strong case of why these practices or traditions may be cults, or at least have cult elements. But where at one time, you might have been able to separate out the positive aspects of these teachings, you now seem one pointedly focussed on the negatives, blowing them up to what I feel is an outsized proportion, and holding, what I see as
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? Nobody in the TM movement can fly. Is that really a criteria related to enlightenment? Is that anything a normal, healthy human being should be able to do? Does it have relevance to anything worthwhile or useful? Are humans who could fly smarter, more compassionate, more beautiful to look at? Basically, MMY said that anyone claiming to be in fully mature Unity Consciousness who was unable to perform any and all of the siddhis at will, was fooling themselves. My own corollary is that if you have been practicing TM and the TM-Sidhis program regularly every day and start to believe that you are in Unity, you can consult your own personal history with the TM-Sidhis to falsify your own beliefs: if you haven't been floating regularly during Yogic Flying, you certainly haven't suddenly attained full enlightenment. This is similar to the check for being in full-blown CC: you may have 24 hour/day witnessing, but unless your meditation period leads you into transcending for the entire period, every time, you can be certain that you are not fully in CC. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think.....
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@ wrote: snip The best (or at least most important to us) of these neurological misconceptions is the last in the list: The mind and the brain are the same thing described in different ways and they make us who we are. You genuinely aren't aware that this is *the* most controversial proposition on this list of supposed misconceptions? The writer--a neuropsychologist-- is certainly aware of it. For him to proclaim that the mind and the brain are the same thing described in different ways as if it were established fact is absurd (and possibly deliberately deceptive). He may *wish* it were established fact because he believes in it so strongly, but the relationship of mind to brain is an extremely perplexing issue about which there are many passionate opinions and nothing remotely like a consensus, nor, as yet, any promising approach to nailing down the truth. I see you read the Grauniad comment section ;-) But if you or anyone else has any evidence that the brain and the mind aren't the same thing, the rest of the world would love to hear it as it contradicts everything we know! But not everything we believe, which is why I consider it the most important statement for US. The mind has a rubbish track record at working out where and what it is. Did you know the ancient Greeks thought the brain is there to cool blood down as it moves round the body? Marshy thinks it somehow creates (literally) the physical universe! That's the trouble with trusting experience in the absence of data. Trying to suggest one causes the other is like saying wetness causes water. I doubt anyone has ever tried to suggest that the mind causes the brain. To say the brain causes the mind is more reasonable, like saying water causes wetness, but his rejection of causation either way amounts to a straw man given our lack of knowledge about the nature of the brain-mind relationship.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To card - mUrdhajyothiShi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: Anyone can claim he or she is enlightened. But can he or she fly? Nobody in the TM movement can fly. Is that really a criteria related to enlightenment? Is that anything a normal, healthy human being should be able to do? Does it have relevance to anything worthwhile or useful? Are humans who could fly smarter, more compassionate, more beautiful to look at? Basically, MMY said that anyone claiming to be in fully mature Unity Consciousness who was unable to perform any and all of the siddhis at will, was fooling themselves. My own corollary is that if you have been practicing TM and the TM-Sidhis program regularly every day and start to believe that you are in Unity, you can consult your own personal history with the TM-Sidhis to falsify your own beliefs: if you haven't been floating regularly during Yogic Flying, you certainly haven't suddenly attained full enlightenment. This is similar to the check for being in full-blown CC: you may have 24 hour/day witnessing, but unless your meditation period leads you into transcending for the entire period, every time, you can be certain that you are not fully in CC. Lawson, Lawson, Lawson...haven't you learned yet that Maharishisez is only valid when it agrees with some- thing that one of his supposed followers WANTS to believe? :-) Thus Robin will still keep claiming that he was in UC, and Jimbo will keep claiming he's in CC, and others will keep claiming whatever it is that their out-of-control egos claim, regardless of what Maharishi said about it. And gullibleniks like JohnR will keep claiming that MMY could fly, even though neither he nor anyone else ever saw it happen. Personally, I don't think that Maharishi's definitions of ANYTHING are accurate, but it always amazes me that those who claim *to* believe that they are can be so willing to disregard them any time they want to claim something else that makes *them* seem more self important. And it's all Maharishi's fault. After all, *HE* was the one who taught them for decades that the ultimate test of reality was one's subjective experience. As a result, they'll write Maharishi off as uninformed as easily as they'll write off objective reality. As for Ann's comment, the Fred Lenz - Rama guy *could* levitate, full hanging-there-in-mid-air-in-the-same-way- that-a-brick-doesn't stuff. Hundreds of people saw him do it, often in public lectures full of non-students who witnessed this. Does that make him enlightened? A lot of people did. I was never one of them, although I certainly witnessed this myself. I always believed what Maharishi *used* to say, back in the early days of his teachings, that there was *no relationship whatsoever* between the ability to perform siddhis and being enlight- ened. Apples and oranges. The only thing that ever led me to even suspect that Rama might have had some enlight- enment of some kind going for him was what it was like to meditate with him. As you stated above in your comment about CC, that experience was just pure, thoughtless silence. That was never my experience during the few times Maharishi ever meditated with us; quite the opposite, in fact. Good to see you're still hanging in there, Lawson, and still making good sense from time to time. Also good to see that you're avoiding the Standard Cult Response that so many here rely on -- reacting to some criticism of MMY or TM or the TMO that they cannot counter intel- lectually or rationally by playing Demonize The Critic. Do they think that no one *notices* that they do this, while never addressing the criticisms that pushed their buttons? Go figure. :-)
