[FairfieldLife] Female logic: differential wheel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maKTpFXjro4 Synopsis(?): Woman: What is diffential wheel? Man: In a curve, inner wheel rolls slower than the outer wheel. That's d.wh. W: No, the outer wheel just rolls a longer distance. M: W: If a man walks a longer distance, he doesn't need to go any faster than when walking a shorter distance. . W: the right foot does not walk any faster, it just takes longer steps. W: If your right foot would go faster than your left foot it would be home from work earlier than youf left foot!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yup, it's all there.....
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: [http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5mP573cb5cY/UU2CwygkBeI/EcE/1hDe6r7Iu\ VM/s1600/VDOIN0.B.png] Excellent. That's it exactly. Of course, one could almost as easily insert TM into the overlap-center of the Venn diagram. Isn't it fascinating that the overlap occurs in both directions? A belief in any of the silly things on the periphery might predispose someone to becoming a $cientologist (or a TMer), but *also*, once one buys into the original thing (Co$ or TM), THEN they become more open to believing in all of the peripheral silly things as well. It becomes a cascading belief system construct, until over time the person is willing to believe almost ANYTHING, and winds up carrying around more baggage than this guy:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
LG baby - all that water that you have been selling to those suckers, I mean seekers - better be from that bowl of Ganga water that I spat in, otherwise I am going to wipe that fucking laugh off your face and your title. On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers? After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR? The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play softly in the background. [to be continued...] Scene fades in as the final strains of the gospel Just As I Am fade out softly in the background. Laughing Jelly Bean, formerly known as LPHHR, with a blissful smile on his pudgy yet somewhat handsome
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. Tell me about it, Barry is too intellectually, emotionally stunted and retarded to watch Robin's brilliance - his intelligence, wit, irony, sensitivity, love. Is this even a topic of discussion - that Barry has tools to deal with Robin? God I hope not...LOL. On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Ann awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. This excuse of respect is not about that at all. That is a convenient but erroneous description of what is really going on. It isn't about what Barry feels about the other person it is what the other person makes Barry feel about himself and THAT is what Barry dislikes. When he is made to feel inadequate he will point his finger at the other person and claim they are to blame; they are too boring or stupid or dogmatic. He will never take responsibility for himself and the reasons he feels the way he does. It will always be about the other guy. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. Exactly. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. Yes, I will give you that. Barry IS predictable. Ridiculously so. This is a man who lives in a world that is bound and known and very limited. He can only venture so far with a person - new acquaintance or old. When he hits the property line, where the boundaries end, he stops dead. And those boundaries are those determined by his own limitations of self. So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the ability to see where he is coming from and he seems hidden from you. I don't think so Curtis. Many people have pretty good ideas of how Barry functions but Robin's today took the proverbial cake; it was far and away the most sophisticated reading of the man and one that you might have a chance of comprehending but Barry never will for, if he could, it would disprove what Robin wrote and what I have just said. Not that we said or are saying the same thing. Do you see Judy as any more vulnerable and interested in really interacting with a person when she is doing her Judy thing? Are you or me for that matter? Once we size someone up as not being worth the trouble, or that they are openly hostile toward us, we all shut down the two way conversation and might say something with no intention to be open to that person. You can't generalize like this. I, for one, am always open to reading someone's post for what new tone or attitude might emerge. I have ideas about what people are like here but I am happy to be surprised
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LG baby - all that water that you have been selling to those suckers, I mean seekers - better be from that bowl of Ganga water that I spat in, otherwise I am going to wipe that fucking laugh off your face and your title. http://youtu.be/D88HMQF8W_4 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers? After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR? The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play softly in the background. [to be continued...] Scene
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To Master R.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LG baby - all that water that you have been selling to those suckers, I mean seekers - better be from that bowl of Ganga water that I spat in, otherwise I am going to wipe that fucking laugh off your face and your title. http://youtu.be/D88HMQF8W_4 On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers? After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and says: We'll take two quarts. And by the way, what's RR? The scene fades to black as the first strains of Amazing Grace play softly in the background. [to be continued...] Scene
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To Master R.
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:04 AM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: LG baby - all that water that you have been selling to those suckers, I mean seekers - better be from that bowl of Ganga water that I spat in, otherwise I am going to wipe that fucking laugh off your face and your title. http://youtu.be/D88HMQF8W_4 Whew - that's a relief - I don't know why I got so mad, of course you wouldn't have forgotten - sorry LG - love you. On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM, laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers? After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be heard seeker
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To the bird frog freak.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: snip As seeker Xeno's eyes begin to flutter open, seekers Share's and Steve's begin to close as the heavy and intoxicatingly sweet fragrance of lilac, along with the natural lullaby of the clear-flowing river, gently lulls them to sleep...not to mention the velvety cushion of soft green moss against which both are languidly reclined. (Happy now, Steve???) Birds. I want birds. Songbirds. The scene needs these to be complete. The lullaby of the river is good, but let's work in some song birds, and maybe a croaking frog. And the magic word is? Doesn't matter, I live only to please: http://youtu.be/L_hFw_cWg9U http://youtu.be/MsROL4Kf8QY http://youtu.be/ees3PE7yNOg When he is once more able to focus, seeker Xeno's eyes fall on the vast assortment of objects that LJB has so artfully and tastefully arranged on the downturned tailgate of the pick-up truck. In the shadows under the wooden camper shell can be seen various beat up cardboard boxes in a state of disarray with their contents spilling out across the bed of the truck. Could I interest you seeker Xeno in various rare and sacred objects guaranteed to begin the cleansing and purifying process to the extent that His Worshipfulness will deign to bestow a brief moment of His coveted attention upon your sorry ass...uh, I mean unrealized small 's' self? croons LJB in his best Og Mandino impression. In a somewhat croaky yet quiet whisper so that seekers Share and Share can't hear, seeker Xeno asks May I please buy four cups of water to assuage my rabid thirst? Certainly, smiles LJB as he walks a mere two feet away and dips an empty quart bottle in the clear-flowing river and hands it to seeker Xeno. That will be $10 please. Now wait just a darn minute, O Laughing One protests seeker Xeno, who obviously came out of meditation a little too quickly. Earlier you said water was $2 a cup so by my calculation four cups would only be $8. Yes, dear seeker Xeno, that is true, croons LJB in his most soothing voice. But four cups is equal to a quart of water, and the price of a quart of water is $10. If you're running low on funds, I conveniently accept credit or debit cards for a very modest 5% surcharge over and above my very fair purchase prices. Slightly confused because he came out of meditation a little too quickly, and his rabid thirst getting the better of him, seeker Xeno hands over his gold Amex card to which LJB smiles gleefully as soon as he turns to go ring up the charge. Why don't I just hold on to this until all our purchases are complete, hmmm? he asks, to which seeker Xeno, in a daze and staring at a group of people further down the clear-flowing river dipping out cool water by the gallon, mutters, Huh? Whatever. Suddenly, and with utter finality, the veil lifts, and with a clarity of understanding experienced previously only for the very briefest of moments, no longer a seeker Xeno proclaims, O Laughing One, I am now the one who is laughing because the water is, and has always been, free. A momentary look of fear and panic clouds LJB's face as he realizes no longer a seeker Xeno has discovered the truth, but quickly turns to disappointment as he realizes he has just lost his best customer in weeks. What has been sought has been found. You have no need for these earthly objects nor the attention or presence of my Master Raviji, so go from here and find your own self-proclaimed door lackeys. As Xeno is seen disappearing into the setting sun whistling Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah further down the river, seekers Share and Steve can be seen stumbling towards the clearing in which sits the beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck. As the scene slowly fades to black, seeker Share can be heard excitedly saying, Oh look Stevie at all these wonderful things. I must have one of these and, and three of those and, and...Stevie, would you be a dear and buy us another quart of water...and what are those things in that box back there... as LJB's face turns from sadness and disappointment to absolute and utter joy, and he croons, Right this way, seeker Share, right this way. Have I got something special just for you... [to be continued for a substantial yet very modest fee]
[FairfieldLife] a young soul faking it [was Re: Men only,]
Excellent. Barry is doing the only thing he can do - pretend non-attachment, and liberation. He has been at the seeker game too long, and too publicly, to still be having few or no encouraging experiences during spiritual practices, certainly nothing of any lasting value. So he fakes it. He doesn't want to expose his limp dick during social intercourse, so he fakes it. Its pretty funny watching an ego fake its liberation, and sad too. Very much the seal trying for a quick 100 yd. dash. Very strange these people who would rather turn their lives into a dead smiling hell, than face themselves, and their failures. It is a strategy used by young souls - this playing pretend, this wasting time in life, as other than yourself, faking it. For the rest of us, life is too precious to be unreal. Even when it hurts like the devil. I wouldn't hesitate to be in pain, if the alternative is being dead inside - all locked up in a spinning mind, the sly spider catching himself in his own web, then announcing to the rest of us, Gotcha!. I'd rather stare life in the face, with the worst it has to offer, than don a cloak of emotional death, and fake it. Barry's clear choice (and his sidekick's too), and dead easy to spot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. This excuse of respect is not about that at all. That is a convenient but erroneous description of what is really going on. It isn't about what Barry feels about the other person it is what the other person makes Barry feel about himself and THAT is what Barry dislikes. When he is made to feel inadequate he will point his finger at the other person and claim they are to blame; they are too boring or stupid or dogmatic. He will never take responsibility for himself and the reasons he feels the way he does. It will always be about the other guy. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. Exactly. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. Yes, I will give you that. Barry IS predictable. Ridiculously so. This is a man who lives in a world that is bound and known and very limited. He can only venture so far with a person - new acquaintance or old. When he hits the property line, where the boundaries end, he stops dead. And those boundaries are those determined by his own limitations of self. So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the ability to see where he is coming from and he seems
[FairfieldLife] Cheerleading and Big Money!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XM1ai7BVhw :(
[FairfieldLife] a young soul faking it...to dumbass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Excellent. Barry is doing the only thing he can do - pretend non-attachment, and liberation. He has been at the seeker game too long, and too publicly, to still be having few or no encouraging experiences during spiritual practices, certainly nothing of any lasting value. So he fakes it. He doesn't want to expose his limp dick during social intercourse, so he fakes it. Its pretty funny watching an ego fake its liberation, and sad too. Very much the seal trying for a quick 100 yd. dash. Very strange these people who would rather turn their lives into a dead smiling hell, than face themselves, and their failures. It is a strategy used by young souls - this playing pretend, this wasting time in life, as other than yourself, faking it. For the rest of us, life is too precious to be unreal. Even when it hurts like the devil. I wouldn't hesitate to be in pain, if the alternative is being dead inside - all locked up in a spinning mind, the sly spider catching himself in his own web, then announcing to the rest of us, Gotcha!. I'd rather stare life in the face, with the worst it has to offer, than don a cloak of emotional death, and fake it. Barry's clear choice (and his sidekick's too), and dead easy to spot. Nice metaphors in the above dumbass. Leave out all the name calling and it's a very nice piece of writing indeed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. This excuse of respect is not about that at all. That is a convenient but erroneous description of what is really going on. It isn't about what Barry feels about the other person it is what the other person makes Barry feel about himself and THAT is what Barry dislikes. When he is made to feel inadequate he will point his finger at the other person and claim they are to blame; they are too boring or stupid or dogmatic. He will never take responsibility for himself and the reasons he feels the way he does. It will always be about the other guy. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. Exactly. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. Yes, I will give you that. Barry IS predictable. Ridiculously so. This is a man who lives in a world that is bound and known and very limited. He can only venture so far with a person - new acquaintance or
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
Stevie Wonderful, I know some people think you're bumbling, gullible, a knight errant, etc. but IMHO you're the best, especially at, and here I'm blushing a little, you're the best at yadda yadda yadda so let them eat their hearts out or eat cake or eat whatever. But dearest do we really have to have pooping birds and wart bestowing frogs sharing our love nest. Sorry for being so negative. It's just that our love is so pure and I hope we can keep it that way. Oh and one other little thing: we gotta stop meeting like this (-: PS That ole Laughing One may THINK he's got something special for me, but with our love, that's all the specialness in life I need and or want. Yet I am grateful to him for Songbird and plead with you, can it be our song? Here it is again and it always makes me think of you. Even if you still bring poopy birds and wart bestowing frogs into love nest, etc. My love for you is and always will be UNCONDITIONAL! Hmmm, I think I'll have my agent Wilbur Farnsworpy Tigglewud III contact Laughing One. Do you think I should? http://youtu.be/ees3PE7yNOg From: seventhray27 steve.sun...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: snip As seeker Xeno's eyes begin to flutter open, seekers Share's and Steve's begin to close as the heavy and intoxicatingly sweet fragrance of lilac, along with the natural lullaby of the clear-flowing river, gently lulls them to sleep...not to mention the velvety cushion of soft green moss against which both are languidly reclined. (Happy now, Steve???) Birds. I want birds. Songbirds. The scene needs these to be complete. The lullaby of the river is good, but let's work in some song birds, and maybe a croaking frog. When he is once more able to focus, seeker Xeno's eyes fall on the vast assortment of objects that LJB has so artfully and tastefully arranged on the downturned tailgate of the pick-up truck. In the shadows under the wooden camper shell can be seen various beat up cardboard boxes in a state of disarray with their contents spilling out across the bed of the truck. Could I interest you seeker Xeno in various rare and sacred objects guaranteed to begin the cleansing and purifying process to the extent that His Worshipfulness will deign to bestow a brief moment of His coveted attention upon your sorry ass...uh, I mean unrealized small 's' self? croons LJB in his best Og Mandino impression. In a somewhat croaky yet quiet whisper so that seekers Share and Share can't hear, seeker Xeno asks May I please buy four cups of water to assuage my rabid thirst? Certainly, smiles LJB as he walks a mere two feet away and dips an empty quart bottle in the clear-flowing river and hands it to seeker Xeno. That will be $10 please. Now wait just a darn minute, O Laughing One protests seeker Xeno, who obviously came out of meditation a little too quickly. Earlier you said water was $2 a cup so by my calculation four cups would only be $8. Yes, dear seeker Xeno, that is true, croons LJB in his most soothing voice. But four cups is equal to a quart of water, and the price of a quart of water is $10. If you're running low on funds, I conveniently accept credit or debit cards for a very modest 5% surcharge over and above my very fair purchase prices. Slightly confused because he came out of meditation a little too quickly, and his rabid thirst getting the better of him, seeker Xeno hands over his gold Amex card to which LJB smiles gleefully as soon as he turns to go ring up the charge. Why don't I just hold on to this until all our purchases are complete, hmmm? he asks, to which seeker Xeno, in a daze and staring at a group of people further down the clear-flowing river dipping out cool water by the gallon, mutters, Huh? Whatever. Suddenly, and with utter finality, the veil lifts, and with a clarity of understanding experienced previously only for the very briefest of moments, no longer a seeker Xeno proclaims, O Laughing One, I am now the one who is laughing because the water is, and has always been, free. A momentary look of fear and panic clouds LJB's face as he realizes no longer a seeker Xeno has discovered the truth, but quickly turns to disappointment as he realizes he has just lost his best customer in weeks. What has been sought has been found. You have no need for these earthly objects nor the attention or presence of my Master Raviji, so go from here and find your own self-proclaimed door lackeys. As Xeno is seen disappearing into the setting sun whistling Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah further down the river, seekers Share and Steve can be seen stumbling towards the clearing in which sits the beat up
[FairfieldLife] GREETINGS FROM FINNLAND AND HAWAII
BEAUTIFULL PICTURES : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1QaaTUxzDw and heavenly singing kids : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNsMRprvPrw
[FairfieldLife] Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: From: Ken Chawkin kchawkin@... The US Weekly and AAA Living Magazine are from Joe Toth. There are many more stars who do TM that are not on this list, but it's still pretty impressive! Can someone please explain to me why this is important...why the stars who practice TM is important? Oh, I think I get it; could this be the ideal society predicted where we live our lives vicariously through the lives of our stars of film, stage, and music? Talk about screwed up priorities...give me a break!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Smithsonian Magazine: Fairfield is #7 in Best 20 U.S. Small Towns to Visit
Yep, Fairfield. Living in accord with natural law, a place where village design, energy, shelter, water, gardening, farming, waste recycling, and landscaping are done in a way that is in tune with natural law. In tune with natural law means, at a minimum, that the systems we use to obtain the services listed above do not destroy or damage the larger systems of the earth that maintain a hospitable environment for life on our planet. Wherever possible, these services are provided in a way that not only sustains but enhances the ability of the earth to clean our air and water, maintain the balance of gases in the atmosphere, and in general provide a beautiful and safe place to live. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@... wrote: Smithsonian Magazine The 20 Best Small Towns to Visit in 2013 Web page for the main article: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/The-20-Best-Small-Towns-to-Visit-in-2013-196855051.htmlSmithsonian.com Web page for #7 Fairfield article: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/The-20-Best-Small-Towns-to-Visit-in-2013-196855051.html?c=ypage=8navigation=next#IMAGES TRAVEL The 20 Best Small Towns to Visit in 2013 From the blues to the big top, we've picked the most intriguing small towns to enjoy arts and smarts By Susan Spano Smithsonian magazine, April 2013 «« Previous | 8 of 22 | Next »» (© Charles Ledford) 7. Fairfield, IA Fairfield sits in an undulating landscape with farmhouses, silos, barns and plenty of sky. A railroad track runs through town and there's a gazebo on the square. You have to stick around to learn about things you'd never find in Grant Wood's American Gothic, like the preference for east-facing front doors. That's the orientation prescribed by Transcendental Meditation movement founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, whose followers went looking for a place to start a university and landed in the cornfields of southeast Iowa. The Maharishi University of Management now offers B.A.'s in 13 fields, among them Vedic science and sustainable living. With students riding bikes and plugged into iPods, it looks like any other college campus, except for twin gold-domed buildings where practitioners gather to meditate twice a day. Fairfield could stand as a case study from The Rise of the Creative Class, Richard Florida's book on the link between educated populations and economic development. Fairfield got the one when the college opened its golden domes, drawing accomplished people who saw its sweetness; it got the other when they started dreaming up ways to stay. Everyone who arrived had to reinvent themselves to survive, said mayor (and meditator) Ed Malloy. The economy started perking in the 1980s with e-commerce and dot-coms, earning Fairfield the name Silicorn Valley, then launched start-ups devoted to everything from genetic crop-testing to investment counseling. Organic farmer Francis Thicke keeps the radio in his barn tuned to Vedic music; his Jerseys must like it because everyone in town says that Radiance Dairy milk is the best thing in a bottle. But there's more than mellow. The new Maasdam Barns Museum, with buildings from a farm that raised mighty Percheron horses, displays agricultural machines made by the local Louden Company. A walking tour passes the rock-solid, Richardson Romanesque courthouse, a Streamline Moderne bank, Frank Lloyd Wright-inspired residences and myriad examples of Vedic architecture. Artists and performers find they can afford to live in Fairfield. ICON, which specializes in regional contemporary art, joins galleries and shops in hosting a monthly art walk, featuring the work of some 300 local artists. The striking new Stephen Sondheim Center for the Performing Arts welcomes acts from chamber groups to Elvis impersonators. The soon-to-open Orpheum Theater will offer something that is dying out in big citiesan art movie house. Solar panels help banish electricity bills at Abundance Eco Village, an off-the-grid community on the edge of town. But it's less about altruism than well-being in Fairfield. Take, for instance, the quiet zones, recently instituted at railroad crossings to silence incessant train whistles; newly planted fruit trees in city parks; and Fairfield's all-volunteer, solar-powered radio station, producing 75 homegrown programs a year. Fairfield, says station manager James Moore, a poet, musician, tennis teacher and meditator, is one of the deepest small ponds you'll find anywhere.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
As MMY explained the decision to hike the price of TM through the roof: it is the elite of the world who set the trends and make the laws and the rich don't shop at poor stores. Getting voluntary celebrity endorsements is a surefire way to get media attention, which is a form of free advertising. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: From: Ken Chawkin kchawkin@ The US Weekly and AAA Living Magazine are from Joe Toth. There are many more stars who do TM that are not on this list, but it's still pretty impressive! Can someone please explain to me why this is important...why the stars who practice TM is important? Oh, I think I get it; could this be the ideal society predicted where we live our lives vicariously through the lives of our stars of film, stage, and music? Talk about screwed up priorities...give me a break!
[FairfieldLife] Earth Hour campaign celebrated around the world
How about they turn out the lights, don't drive [stop the cars and trucks] and meditate for an hour to generate a real positive and spiritual field effect? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21914828
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
I do not believe even for a moment that Barry is not vulnerable or sensitive - he certainly is, but he doesn't make a show of it. When people talk here about great words, how we face life, how we interact with other people, you would certainly do good to be reminded about the nature of this interaction here: It is an internet forum. It is not real life. (That's why the famous, 'get a life'). So when for example Barry remarks, that he feels he needs a shower sometimes when he looks at FFL, (and so do I) he certainly shows sensitivity, and it also indicates that he is vulnerable. Btw. I know him a lot longer than many of you do here, electronically speaking, and that in various configurations, as it is we were often opponents. People also forget that he is the one to let people share in his life and observations, his inner feelings about things, quite freely I find, and he exposes himself to the usual ridicule by being open. What I don't understand is Robin, and the way he thought he has to make a reappearance here. Why this way? Why write a big piece of frontal personal assault, and why concentrate at Barry at all? Is it that he wants to make up for Judys absence, or is it a twisted way of reaffirming his allegiance to her, because he needs her support? Or was he after feste, to get him back into the boat? Or did he really believe that he has such a special insight into Barrys soul, and he has to show off? I honestly don't know, but I think it was totally unnecessary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the ability to see where he is coming from and he seems hidden from you. Do you see Judy as any more vulnerable and interested in really interacting with a person when she is doing her Judy thing? Are you or me for that matter? Once we size someone up as not being worth the trouble, or that they are openly hostile toward us, we all shut down the two way conversation and might say something with no intention to be open to that person. I see him just fine. And with me it is a two way street of giving each other space to express our opinions even if we differ. So we get along based on liking each other and trusting that the other person is not gunna send out some version of what you just wrote. I've received enough of them myself from you to know that me writing this is not going to enter your consciousness beyond your reflexive attack mode. Or you can prove me wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I remember talking to one woman whose boyfriend took a Sterling course in Fairfield. She said that before the course he was a perfectly normal, pleasant guy, but after the course he became a complete asshole. Color me not surprised. :-) Like men need TRAINING to be assholes? Well, in your case, no. Obviously. It comes naturally to you. But it seems that others have to work on it. You seem to be doing just fine without the training. :-) Seriously dude, are you still smarting because I called you on acting like a cultist? You were. You still are. You didn't challenge anything I said, you didn't explain WHY you felt
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
I think a reasonable explanation would be an analogy of when I used to play soccer when I was a kid. When we were in elementary school, we were always kicking the ball as hard as we could, trying to score a goal from the other side of the field. Out of frustration with our lack of progress and real teamwork, our coach pulled us together and explained how ridiculous our strategy was. He had to break things down step by step on how to slowly and methodically move the ball down the field. After that, we worked much better. I think the TMO has been functioning with the same strategy. They have always sought out famous people and tried their whole Natural Law Party gig in the 90's. Instead of working slowly and steadily towards the goal of getting more people to meditate, the goal was to make it extremely popular at the top level or to influence the government to fund the whole thing. It's like they were always trying to win the lottery instead of find a practical plan that is more likely to work. I guess the reason is because of the success in the 70's with the Beatles. But times have changed, yet the TMO hasn't. I think they're still holding onto the idea of winning another lottery of followers like back in the 70's. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: From: Ken Chawkin kchawkin@ The US Weekly and AAA Living Magazine are from Joe Toth. There are many more stars who do TM that are not on this list, but it's still pretty impressive! Can someone please explain to me why this is important...why the stars who practice TM is important? Oh, I think I get it; could this be the ideal society predicted where we live our lives vicariously through the lives of our stars of film, stage, and music? Talk about screwed up priorities...give me a break!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Stevie Wonderful, I know some people think you're bumbling, gullible, a knight errant, etc. but IMHO you're the best, especially at, and here I'm blushing a little, you're the best at yadda yadda yadda so let them eat their hearts out or eat cake or eat whatever. But dearest do we really have to have pooping birds and wart bestowing frogs sharing our love nest. Sorry for being so negative. It's just that our love is so pure and I hope we can keep it that way. Oh and one other little thing: we gotta stop meeting like this (-: PS That ole Laughing One may THINK he's got something special for me, but with our love, that's all the specialness in life I need and or want. Yet I am grateful to him for Songbird and plead with you, can it be our song? Here it is again and it always makes me think of you. Even if you still bring poopy birds and wart bestowing frogs into love nest, etc. My love for you is and always will be UNCONDITIONAL!  Hmmm, I think I'll have my agent Wilbur Farnsworpy Tigglewud III contact Laughing One. Do you think I should? I don't know. But I think you've said everything pefectly, and I don't think anything can be added to it, and if I feel as good the rest of the week as I do now, then I'm going to be in good shape. Hey, my spirits have just risen. Is that a week early? http://youtu.be/ees3PE7yNOg From: seventhray27 steve.sundur@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 11:18 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: snip As seeker Xeno's eyes begin to flutter open, seekers Share's and Steve's begin to close as the heavy and intoxicatingly sweet fragrance of lilac, along with the natural lullaby of the clear-flowing river, gently lulls them to sleep...not to mention the velvety cushion of soft green moss against which both are languidly reclined. (Happy now, Steve???)  Birds. I want birds.  Songbirds. The scene needs these to be complete. The lullaby of the river is good, but let's work in some song birds, and maybe a croaking frog.   When he is once more able to focus, seeker Xeno's eyes fall on the vast assortment of objects that LJB has so artfully and tastefully arranged on the downturned tailgate of the pick-up truck. In the shadows under the wooden camper shell can be seen various beat up cardboard boxes in a state of disarray with their contents spilling out across the bed of the truck. Could I interest you seeker Xeno in various rare and sacred objects guaranteed to begin the cleansing and purifying process to the extent that His Worshipfulness will deign to bestow a brief moment of His coveted attention upon your sorry ass...uh, I mean unrealized small 's' self? croons LJB in his best Og Mandino impression. In a somewhat croaky yet quiet whisper so that seekers Share and Share can't hear, seeker Xeno asks May I please buy four cups of water to assuage my rabid thirst? Certainly, smiles LJB as he walks a mere two feet away and dips an empty quart bottle in the clear-flowing river and hands it to seeker Xeno. That will be $10 please. Now wait just a darn minute, O Laughing One protests seeker Xeno, who obviously came out of meditation a little too quickly. Earlier you said water was $2 a cup so by my calculation four cups would only be $8. Yes, dear seeker Xeno, that is true, croons LJB in his most soothing voice. But four cups is equal to a quart of water, and the price of a quart of water is $10. If you're running low on funds, I conveniently accept credit or debit cards for a very modest 5% surcharge over and above my very fair purchase prices. Slightly confused because he came out of meditation a little too quickly, and his rabid thirst getting the better of him, seeker Xeno hands over his gold Amex card to which LJB smiles gleefully as soon as he turns to go ring up the charge. Why don't I just hold on to this until all our purchases are complete, hmmm? he asks, to which seeker Xeno, in a daze and staring at a group of people further down the clear-flowing river dipping out cool water by the gallon, mutters, Huh? Whatever. Suddenly, and with utter finality, the veil lifts, and with a clarity of understanding experienced previously only for the very briefest of moments, no longer a seeker Xeno proclaims, O Laughing One, I am now the one who is laughing because the water is, and has always been, free. A momentary look of fear and panic clouds LJB's face as he realizes no longer a seeker Xeno has discovered the truth, but quickly turns to disappointment as he realizes he has just lost his best customer in weeks. What has been sought has been found. You have no need for these earthly objects nor the attention or presence of my
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: I do not believe even for a moment that Barry is not vulnerable or sensitive - he certainly is, but he doesn't make a show of it. When people talk here about great words, how we face life, how we interact with other people, you would certainly do good to be reminded about the nature of this interaction here: It is an internet forum. It is not real life. (That's why the famous, 'get a life'). So when for example Barry remarks, that he feels he needs a shower sometimes when he looks at FFL, (and so do I) he certainly shows sensitivity, and it also indicates that he is vulnerable. Btw. I know him a lot longer than many of you do here, electronically speaking, and that in various configurations, as it is we were often opponents. People also forget that he is the one to let people share in his life and observations, his inner feelings about things, quite freely I find, and he exposes himself to the usual ridicule by being open. What I don't understand is Robin, and the way he thought he has to make a reappearance here. Why this way? Why write a big piece of frontal personal assault, and why concentrate at Barry at all? Is it that he wants to make up for Judys absence, or is it a twisted way of reaffirming his allegiance to her, because he needs her support? Or was he after feste, to get him back into the boat? Or did he really believe that he has such a special insight into Barrys soul, and he has to show off? I honestly don't know, but I think it was totally unnecessary. Yep, you people hijacked what was a perfectly good subject and drove it off in to the ditch, again. Could you re-subject the subject thread when you take a turn and drive off? It should be helpful to the reading public here. Thank you in advance, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the ability to see where he is coming from and he seems hidden from you. Do you see Judy as any more vulnerable and interested in really interacting with a person when she is doing her Judy thing? Are you or me for that matter? Once we size someone up as not being worth the trouble, or that they are openly hostile toward us, we all shut down the two way conversation and might say something with no intention to be open to that person. I see him just fine. And with me it is a two way street of giving each other space to express our opinions even if we differ. So we get along based on liking each other and trusting that the other person is not gunna send out some version of what you just wrote. I've received enough of them myself from you to know that me writing this is not going to enter your consciousness beyond your reflexive attack mode. Or you can prove me wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I remember talking to one woman whose boyfriend took a Sterling course in Fairfield. She said that before the course he was a perfectly normal, pleasant guy, but after the course he became a complete asshole. Color me not surprised. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To Master R.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: LG baby - all that water that you have been selling to those suckers, I mean seekers - better be from that bowl of Ganga water that I spat in, otherwise I am going to wipe that fucking laugh off your face and your title. http://youtu.be/D88HMQF8W_4 http://youtu.be/D88HMQF8W_4 Beautiful! On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 8:05 PM, laughinggull108 no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: So true and don't either of you forget it! From now on, you have to go through me to get to my sweet innocent Baby Krishna Ravi. If you wish to respond to Him, you must ask me first. I'll then consult with Him in due time to see if He would like to even pursue your line of discussion. If He chooses not to, then no reason to even post your comments in the first place. A very efficient and effective use of His precious time. And please try to remember... I understand that you, Laughinggull, are now manning the ticket counter access to His Presence the Magisterial Royal Mahaswami Ravi Chivukula Guruji Mahatmaraja, beneath whom I am not fit to sweep even His Toe Nail Clippings. Pray tell upon what condition His Infiniteness might deign to drop a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan in my unworthy direction. Perhaps in a moment of His most offhand attention He would feel it barely tolerable to pass a kernel of His Most High Wisdom through you to us most thirsty and groveling, sycophantic worshipers of His Greatness. Perhaps you could collect a few grains left over from one of His Chapatis, that we could build a shrine to house them and perpetuate their Divine and most Humble power. Scenario: A beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck with a rickety wooden camper shell parked beside a clear-flowing river with a flashing neon sign hooked up to a 12-volt battery that reads Water for Sale. Leaning against the camper shell on the tailgate in his much too tight, yet dapper, Shivaratri-best dhoti is our Laughing Protector of His Holiness Raviji who appears to be either in samadhi or nodding off. (The latter is probably the case since LPHHR's head occasionally drops suddenly then quickly comes back up with a jerking motion.) Seeker Xeno warily approaches while seekers Share and Steve maintain a relatively safe distance about 50 yards away hidden in the lush vegetation growing along the river on which seeker Share is busily munching and making soft cooing sounds. Seeker Steve's eyes are focused on seeker Share, with an occasional glance towards seeker Xeno, ever ready to jump in at a moment's notice should the slightest danger present itself. A dry twig snaps loudly under seeker Xeno's sandal-covered foot to which LPHHR awakens with a start muttering ...yes...mmm...yes...hare Ravi...mmm... as if caught between an erotic dream and waking reality. Seeker Xeno is the first to speak: Oh Laughing Protector and manner of the Ticket Counter, I and my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes have traveled long and far along this clear-flowing river and are most thirsty for water. More importantly, and I can't speak for my two seeker companions hiding back there in the bushes, I approach as a groveling, sycophantic worshiper of His Greatness whose name is revered far and wide throughout these lands of FFL, and desire greatly for just a few crumbs of His Holy and Benign Darshan or maybe just a kernel of His Most High Wisdom passed through you to me...uh, I mean us. Hey, seekers Share and Steve, if you wanna get in on this, you better get up here now... Slightly disheveled seekers Share and Steve, with sheepish grins on their glistening faces, emerge from the bushes. Fully-awakened (but not in the spiritual sense) LPHHR recognizing that he has some shills...uh...potential clients speaks: Yes indeedy...step right up...step right up all ye sincere seekers of transitory...uh...I mean permanent RR. First things first however. Cool, clear, thirst-quenching water is $2 per cup or I can let you have an entire quart for $10. So what will it be my most parched and sincere seekers? After a brief consultation among the three seeker companions from whom can be heard seeker Xeno ...the cups are cheaper and seeker Share in her most pouty voice ...but I want the quart!, seeker Xeno approaches and
[FairfieldLife] The FFL Baiting Barry Thread
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I do not believe even for a moment that Barry is not vulnerable or sensitive - he certainly is, but he doesn't make a show of it. When people talk here about great words, how we face life, how we interact with other people, you would certainly do good to be reminded about the nature of this interaction here: It is an internet forum. It is not real life. (That's why the famous, 'get a life'). So when for example Barry remarks, that he feels he needs a shower sometimes when he looks at FFL, (and so do I) he certainly shows sensitivity, and it also indicates that he is vulnerable. Btw. I know him a lot longer than many of you do here, electronically speaking, and that in various configurations, as it is we were often opponents. People also forget that he is the one to let people share in his life and observations, his inner feelings about things, quite freely I find, and he exposes himself to the usual ridicule by being open. What I don't understand is Robin, and the way he thought he has to make a reappearance here. Why this way? Why write a big piece of frontal personal assault, and why concentrate at Barry at all? Is it that he wants to make up for Judys absence, or is it a twisted way of reaffirming his allegiance to her, because he needs her support? Or was he after feste, to get him back into the boat? Or did he really believe that he has such a special insight into Barrys soul, and he has to show off? I honestly don't know, but I think it was totally unnecessary. Yep, you people hijacked what was a perfectly good subject and drove it off in to the ditch, again. Could you re-subject the subject thread when you take a turn and drive off? It should be helpful to the reading public here. Thank you in advance, -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the ability to see where he is coming from and he seems hidden from you. Do you see Judy as any more vulnerable and interested in really interacting with a person when she is doing her Judy thing? Are you or me for that matter? Once we size someone up as not being worth the trouble, or that they are openly hostile toward us, we all shut down the two way conversation and might say something with no intention to be open to that person. I see him just fine. And with me it is a two way street of giving each other space to express our opinions even if we differ. So we get along based on liking each other and trusting that the other person is not gunna send out some version of what you just wrote. I've received enough of them myself from you to know that me writing this is not going to enter your consciousness beyond your reflexive attack mode. Or you can prove me wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: I remember talking to one woman whose boyfriend took a Sterling course in Fairfield. She said that before
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: I do not believe even for a moment that Barry is not vulnerable or sensitive - he certainly is, but he doesn't make a show of it. When people talk here about great words, how we face life, how we interact with other people, you would certainly do good to be reminded about the nature of this interaction here: It is an internet forum. It is not real life. (That's why the famous, 'get a life'). So when for example Barry remarks, that he feels he needs a shower sometimes when he looks at FFL, (and so do I) he certainly shows sensitivity, and it also indicates that he is vulnerable. Btw. I know him a lot longer than many of you do here, electronically speaking, and that in various configurations, as it is we were often opponents. People also forget that he is the one to let people share in his life and observations, his inner feelings about things, quite freely I find, and he exposes himself to the usual ridicule by being open. What I don't understand is Robin, and the way he thought he has to make a reappearance here. Why this way? Why write a big piece of frontal personal assault, and why concentrate at Barry at all? Is it that he wants to make up for Judys absence, or is it a twisted way of reaffirming his allegiance to her, because he needs her support? Or was he after feste, to get him back into the boat? Or did he really believe that he has such a special insight into Barrys soul, and he has to show off? I honestly don't know, but I think it was totally unnecessary. Perhaps it was for the same reason that you feel you needed to defend Barry - you felt like it. Or maybe he reads FFL and something Barry said (and perhaps for the umpteenth time) just stirred an impulse inside of him to want to say something. Maybe because I can see how Barry throws his bullshit around, his blatant lies or his skewed perspective and Robin recognizes this too (like many of us do) and couldn't sit there any more and say nothing. Who knows? Whatever it was Barry will continue on, oblivious, but will find something ugly and cheap to throw my way, at least, soon enough. Remember, he is very, very predictable - unfortunately. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the ability to see where he is coming from and he seems hidden from you. Do you see Judy as any more vulnerable and interested in really interacting with a person when she is doing her Judy thing? Are you or me for that matter? Once we size someone up as not being worth the trouble, or that they are openly hostile toward us, we all shut down the two way conversation and might say something with no intention to be open to that person. I see him just fine. And with me it is a two way street of giving each other space to express our opinions even if we differ. So we get along based on liking each other and trusting that the other person is not gunna send out some version of what you just wrote. I've received enough of them myself from you to know that me writing this is not going to enter your consciousness beyond your reflexive attack mode. Or you can prove me wrong. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
First of all Lawson, I really appreciate the dialogue we are having. Don't think that I want to dump TM. I think it is a very good technique to start meditation, and I think that at a later stage it is up to everybody to either continue to advance with TM or with something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suspect you are both misreading what Lawson had in mind. He isn't stupid, and he knows the TM research better than anyone here. I'm not sure what he means either, but I'd suggest you wait to draw any conclusions until he can clarify. It's very highly unlikely that either of you would be able to come up with something he had missed or hadn't accounted for. The pattern during TM is one of increased alpha EEG coherence, and that starts to level off (but never completely stops changing) after a few months of TM , but the longer one has been practicing the more the EEG outside of TM practice starts to resemble the EEG during TM practice. Now, the EEG found during pure consciousness is the most coherent found in a given TMer and if you look just at the EEG during PC, there's obviously some room for refinement during practice, but the average outside of practice starts to resemble the average during, and that was my point... because, in contrast, the average EEG during mantra-based meditation What do you mean by mantra based meditation? TM IS mantra based. Well, technically, a mantra is used in TM practice, but mantra-based practices are considered focused attention practices, and those tend to show more and more gamma EEG the longer you have been doing them. Okay. shifts from relaxed alpha to concentrative gamma as one becomes more experienced, and the average EEG outside of such practices also shifts towards less alpha and more gamma. And that is bad or worse? How do you know? Well, insomuch as these techniques all tend to fragment the brain as a side-effect of the long-term practice, while PC is a period where the brain is idling in a vary coherent way, showing the EEG associated with relaxation and rest, rather than concentration and effort, I have no way of knowing... In my experience, with higher states there comes a spontaneous concentration, really concentrated awareness, completely focused and without effort. Maharishi might say point value. Well with TM, if you REALLY are in samadhi (pure consciousness), you can't note it until such time as some degree of waking state consciousness reassumes, and by then, you are no longer in the pure state. And this is something that raises question marks for me. How could you say that you experience pure consciousness, when you 'notice' it only afterwards? Does it mean you are not conscious during the experience, or does it mean you are unable to press a button while you are in? What kind of 'purity' is this, when it is *lost* so easily? So whole model of having pure consciousness, as an overlay over normal activity, and also the normally active mind, rests on the assertion, that the purity of PC doesn't get lost, right? I think that the whole contradiction comes about, because of the definitions, how you define PC in TM, and then attribute a certain physiological signature to it. In this way, you already limit how it can be expressed in activity. Really speaking you should start from the other end, find somebody who lives in CC / GC /UC, and then measure his brainwaves, and then compare it to the experiences that are called 'transcending' in TM. How does a person in TM know he has transcended? It is clear that he is being told so. The technical definition in TM of TC is: No mantra, no thought. But that could be some kind of nap too! Maybe it#s yoga nidra. I have very practical reasons for saying all this: when at a certain point, I was still in the movement, actually meditating in Purusha, I had an opening in the higher chakras, I was in a state of transcendence that was totally different than anything that I had ever known in TM. It wasn't just a more of what I had experienced before. It was so totally different, that it had no connection, with what is defined as transcendence in TM. No relation. Yet it is noticed, known. So, Lawson, I have a problem with the TM definitions, of extrapolating one experience, which according to you is there right from the beginning of TM in it's full blast, (and in the beginning obviously also in other techniques, according to your reporting -. which is a surprise in and of itself), of extrapolating this PC experience with other states, like CC or GC or UC. I think these are
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: I do not believe even for a moment that Barry is not vulnerable or sensitive - he certainly is, but he doesn't make a show of it. When people talk here about great words, how we face life, how we interact with other people, you would certainly do good to be reminded about the nature of this interaction here: It is an internet forum. It is not real life. (That's why the famous, 'get a life'). So when for example Barry remarks, that he feels he needs a shower sometimes when he looks at FFL, (and so do I) he certainly shows sensitivity, and it also indicates that he is vulnerable. Btw. I know him a lot longer than many of you do here, electronically speaking, and that in various configurations, as it is we were often opponents. People also forget that he is the one to let people share in his life and observations, his inner feelings about things, quite freely I find, and he exposes himself to the usual ridicule by being open. What I don't understand is Robin, and the way he thought he has to make a reappearance here. Why this way? Why write a big piece of frontal personal assault, and why concentrate at Barry at all? Is it that he wants to make up for Judys absence, or is it a twisted way of reaffirming his allegiance to her, because he needs her support? Or was he after feste, to get him back into the boat? Or did he really believe that he has such a special insight into Barrys soul, and he has to show off? I honestly don't know, but I think it was totally unnecessary. Yep, you people hijacked what was a perfectly good subject and drove it off in to the ditch, again. Could you re-subject the subject thread when you take a turn and drive off? It should be helpful to the reading public here. Thank you in advance, -Buck This happens all the time, in every single subject thread. Ever play that game telephone where you have a circle of people and you whisper a sentence in someone's ear and they keep repeating that sentence until the last person speaks out what that sentence was and what started as Men are invited to a meeting at the Dome with Shriver ends up Barry is an invulnerable jerk? See, FFL is just like real life! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the ability to see where he is coming from and he seems hidden from you. Do you see Judy as any more vulnerable and interested in really interacting with a person when she is doing her Judy thing? Are you or me for that matter? Once we size someone up as not being worth the trouble, or that they are openly hostile toward us, we all shut down the two way conversation and might say something with no intention to be open to that person. I see him just fine. And with me it is a two way street of giving each other space to express our opinions even if we differ. So we get along based on liking each other and trusting that the other person is not gunna send out some version of what you just wrote. I've received enough of them myself from you to know that me writing this is not going to enter your consciousness beyond your reflexive attack mode. Or you can prove me wrong.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: Can someone please explain to me why this is important...why the stars who practice TM is important? It's just a form of celebrity endorsement, and it works. It's the most basic tenant of advertising, right? Celebrities, sports figures, anyone of notoriety you can associate with your brand will usually put it in a favorable light. Not sure about all this Ideal Society, or living vicariously stuff. Oh, I think I get it; could this be the ideal society predicted where we live our lives vicariously through the lives of our stars of film, stage, and music? Talk about screwed up priorities...give me a break!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Smithsonian Magazine: Fairfield is #7 in Best 20 U.S. Small Towns to Visit
Visit, heck a place to live. This link about India's widows is a little different, but meditating spiritual Fairfield is showing something like this in old TM movement people moving to [meditating] Fairfield as like a retirement village for old meditators. Noticeably like a growing reserve of spinster retiring spiritual. People can live a life on SSI and a little more here like with the supplemental 'Invincible America' grant money program for meditating in the Domes with the large group. Like India's Widows moving to be together... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21859622 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Yep, Fairfield. Living in accord with natural law, a place where village design, energy, shelter, water, gardening, farming, waste recycling, and landscaping are done in a way that is in tune with natural law. In tune with natural law means, at a minimum, that the systems we use to obtain the services listed above do not destroy or damage the larger systems of the earth that maintain a hospitable environment for life on our planet. Wherever possible, these services are provided in a way that not only sustains but enhances the ability of the earth to clean our air and water, maintain the balance of gases in the atmosphere, and in general provide a beautiful and safe place to live. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: Smithsonian Magazine The 20 Best Small Towns to Visit in 2013 Web page for the main article: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/The-20-Best-Small-Towns-to-Visit-in-2013-196855051.htmlSmithsonian.com Web page for #7 Fairfield article: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/The-20-Best-Small-Towns-to-Visit-in-2013-196855051.html?c=ypage=8navigation=next#IMAGES TRAVEL The 20 Best Small Towns to Visit in 2013 From the blues to the big top, we've picked the most intriguing small towns to enjoy arts and smarts By Susan Spano Smithsonian magazine, April 2013 «« Previous | 8 of 22 | Next »» (© Charles Ledford) 7. Fairfield, IA Fairfield sits in an undulating landscape with farmhouses, silos, barns and plenty of sky. A railroad track runs through town and there's a gazebo on the square. You have to stick around to learn about things you'd never find in Grant Wood's American Gothic, like the preference for east-facing front doors. That's the orientation prescribed by Transcendental Meditation movement founder Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, whose followers went looking for a place to start a university and landed in the cornfields of southeast Iowa. The Maharishi University of Management now offers B.A.'s in 13 fields, among them Vedic science and sustainable living. With students riding bikes and plugged into iPods, it looks like any other college campus, except for twin gold-domed buildings where practitioners gather to meditate twice a day. Fairfield could stand as a case study from The Rise of the Creative Class, Richard Florida's book on the link between educated populations and economic development. Fairfield got the one when the college opened its golden domes, drawing accomplished people who saw its sweetness; it got the other when they started dreaming up ways to stay. Everyone who arrived had to reinvent themselves to survive, said mayor (and meditator) Ed Malloy. The economy started perking in the 1980s with e-commerce and dot-coms, earning Fairfield the name Silicorn Valley, then launched start-ups devoted to everything from genetic crop-testing to investment counseling. Organic farmer Francis Thicke keeps the radio in his barn tuned to Vedic music; his Jerseys must like it because everyone in town says that Radiance Dairy milk is the best thing in a bottle. But there's more than mellow. The new Maasdam Barns Museum, with buildings from a farm that raised mighty Percheron horses, displays agricultural machines made by the local Louden Company. A walking tour passes the rock-solid, Richardson Romanesque courthouse, a Streamline Moderne bank, Frank Lloyd Wright-inspired residences and myriad examples of Vedic architecture. Artists and performers find they can afford to live in Fairfield. ICON, which specializes in regional contemporary art, joins galleries and shops in hosting a monthly art walk, featuring the work of some 300 local artists. The striking new Stephen Sondheim Center for the Performing Arts welcomes acts from chamber groups to Elvis impersonators. The soon-to-open Orpheum Theater will offer something that is dying out in big citiesan art movie house. Solar panels help banish electricity bills at Abundance Eco Village, an off-the-grid community on the edge of town. But it's less about altruism than well-being in Fairfield. Take, for instance, the quiet zones, recently instituted at railroad crossings to silence
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@... wrote: I guess the reason is because of the success in the 70's with the Beatles. But times have changed, yet the TMO hasn't. I think they're still holding onto the idea of winning another lottery of followers like back in the 70's. Yes, but this time with Russel Brand, David Lynch and Tim Burgess (who?). An interesting thing about the Beatles is that the TMO used them as an advert long after they quit TM, which took less than a year for poster boy Harrison, and he was the most devoted. S'true, he learned TM in '69 but by the start of 1970 he had ISCON camping in his garden. The TMO don't mention that but the Krishna lot make a big deal of it, saying that he tried an inferior type of meditation before getting into chanting the Krishna mantra, which Harrison claimed was the best thing ever and the spiritual peak of his life. It even saved him from death when he had a quick chant while on a crashing plane and it miraculously came out of it's nosedive! Not only that he persuaded a lot of the people who'd got into TM to try Krishna chanting. Fickle lot these famous types... seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: From: Ken Chawkin kchawkin@ The US Weekly and AAA Living Magazine are from Joe Toth. There are many more stars who do TM that are not on this list, but it's still pretty impressive! Can someone please explain to me why this is important...why the stars who practice TM is important? Oh, I think I get it; could this be the ideal society predicted where we live our lives vicariously through the lives of our stars of film, stage, and music? Talk about screwed up priorities...give me a break!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: First of all Lawson, I really appreciate the dialogue we are having. Don't think that I want to dump TM. I think it is a very good technique to start meditation, and I think that at a later stage it is up to everybody to either continue to advance with TM or with something else. Navashok, That is entirely what meditating Fairfield has become all about. It's a very exciting and special place spiritually that way now. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suspect you are both misreading what Lawson had in mind. He isn't stupid, and he knows the TM research better than anyone here. I'm not sure what he means either, but I'd suggest you wait to draw any conclusions until he can clarify. It's very highly unlikely that either of you would be able to come up with something he had missed or hadn't accounted for. The pattern during TM is one of increased alpha EEG coherence, and that starts to level off (but never completely stops changing) after a few months of TM , but the longer one has been practicing the more the EEG outside of TM practice starts to resemble the EEG during TM practice. Now, the EEG found during pure consciousness is the most coherent found in a given TMer and if you look just at the EEG during PC, there's obviously some room for refinement during practice, but the average outside of practice starts to resemble the average during, and that was my point... because, in contrast, the average EEG during mantra-based meditation What do you mean by mantra based meditation? TM IS mantra based. Well, technically, a mantra is used in TM practice, but mantra-based practices are considered focused attention practices, and those tend to show more and more gamma EEG the longer you have been doing them. Okay. shifts from relaxed alpha to concentrative gamma as one becomes more experienced, and the average EEG outside of such practices also shifts towards less alpha and more gamma. And that is bad or worse? How do you know? Well, insomuch as these techniques all tend to fragment the brain as a side-effect of the long-term practice, while PC is a period where the brain is idling in a vary coherent way, showing the EEG associated with relaxation and rest, rather than concentration and effort, I have no way of knowing... In my experience, with higher states there comes a spontaneous concentration, really concentrated awareness, completely focused and without effort. Maharishi might say point value. Well with TM, if you REALLY are in samadhi (pure consciousness), you can't note it until such time as some degree of waking state consciousness reassumes, and by then, you are no longer in the pure state. And this is something that raises question marks for me. How could you say that you experience pure consciousness, when you 'notice' it only afterwards? Does it mean you are not conscious during the experience, or does it mean you are unable to press a button while you are in? What kind of 'purity' is this, when it is *lost* so easily? So whole model of having pure consciousness, as an overlay over normal activity, and also the normally active mind, rests on the assertion, that the purity of PC doesn't get lost, right? I think that the whole contradiction comes about, because of the definitions, how you define PC in TM, and then attribute a certain physiological signature to it. In this way, you already limit how it can be expressed in activity. Really speaking you should start from the other end, find somebody who lives in CC / GC /UC, and then measure his brainwaves, and then compare it to the experiences that are called 'transcending' in TM. How does a person in TM know he has transcended? It is clear that he is being told so. The technical definition in TM of TC is: No mantra, no thought. But that could be some kind of nap too! Maybe it#s yoga nidra. I have very practical reasons for saying all this: when at a certain point, I was still in the movement, actually meditating in Purusha, I had an opening in the higher chakras, I was in a state of transcendence that was totally different than anything that I had ever known in TM. It wasn't just a more of what I had experienced before. It was so totally different, that it had no connection, with what is defined as transcendence in TM. No relation. Yet it is noticed, known. So, Lawson, I have a problem with the TM definitions, of extrapolating one
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ques to navashok was Men only,
hi navashok, about turq, and maybe he'll hate this, but for example, when he posted the Christmas cap photo I thought that was vulnerable, maybe unintentionally so, but nonetheless I cringe when some ridicule even such posts of his. I don't remember if anyone did in that particular example but there have been other instances. What I don't understand is why turq writes something happy sounding but then he ends with a criticism or jab. And it does seem that often when he shares his opinions and or observations, there is quite a critical angle or critical subtext also. Even now when he's happily in Paris! It's perplexing. Any insights about that? And sometimes it's as if he's trying to be indifferent and disdainful at the same time! Very curious combo. Again, any insights? About Robin's return I don't understand Robin's replies to Curtis. I thought Curtis was quite balanced in his responses to Robin. Am I missing something which I admit is possible. Is it simply the history between them? And my usual question about such: do people really need to drag grudges into a new year? Finally what I find very ironic is that all 3 of these men are anti TM in one way or the other and or in many ways. I guess I should be grateful that they don't find a way to unite on this front (-: From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only, I do not believe even for a moment that Barry is not vulnerable or sensitive - he certainly is, but he doesn't make a show of it. When people talk here about great words, how we face life, how we interact with other people, you would certainly do good to be reminded about the nature of this interaction here: It is an internet forum. It is not real life. (That's why the famous, 'get a life'). So when for example Barry remarks, that he feels he needs a shower sometimes when he looks at FFL, (and so do I) he certainly shows sensitivity, and it also indicates that he is vulnerable. Btw. I know him a lot longer than many of you do here, electronically speaking, and that in various configurations, as it is we were often opponents. People also forget that he is the one to let people share in his life and observations, his inner feelings about things, quite freely I find, and he exposes himself to the usual ridicule by being open. What I don't understand is Robin, and the way he thought he has to make a reappearance here. Why this way? Why write a big piece of frontal personal assault, and why concentrate at Barry at all? Is it that he wants to make up for Judys absence, or is it a twisted way of reaffirming his allegiance to her, because he needs her support? Or was he after feste, to get him back into the boat? Or did he really believe that he has such a special insight into Barrys soul, and he has to show off? I honestly don't know, but I think it was totally unnecessary. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to predict that you were not gunna be friends. So your statements probably do apply to you. You may not have the ability to see where he is coming from and he seems hidden from you. Do you see Judy as any more vulnerable and interested in really interacting with a person when she is doing her Judy thing? Are you or me for that matter? Once we size someone up as not being worth the trouble, or that they are openly hostile toward us, we all shut down the two way conversation and might say something with no
[FairfieldLife] It's All About Barry
I know him a lot longer than many of you do here... Buck: Yep, you people hijacked what was a perfectly good subject and drove it off in to the ditch, again. Yep, it's all about Barry - he wants it that way, Buck. LoL! Barry gives us something to talk about - to keep the dialog going. I've been one of the Turq's biggest fans sine the old days with the 'Ass Hole Nick', over on Usenet back in 1996. Apparently there are zero TMer discussion groups in Paris, France. So, figure. This from the Radiance List: http://radiancetx.org/ 'The 20 Best Small Towns to Visit in 2013' Fairfield: http://tinyurl.com/d38395u SNIP
[FairfieldLife] Re: Smithsonian Magazine: Fairfield is #7 in Best 20 U.S. Small Towns to Visit
Buck: Yep, Fairfield. Yep, Fairfield. Parents rise early, drop children at day care at 6:30 AM., meditate at the domes until 8:30, and then rush to get the children to school by 9 AM. Evenings are similarly rushed as parents try to finish dinner by 6:30, arrange for a baby-sitter, and then meditate in the domes from 7 to 8:30 at night. On weekends, parents must still find someone to care for their children during morning and evening meditations. And often there are study groups, lectures, and social affairs at MIU after the evening meditation. Attendance is not required, 'but they make it pretty clear you should go,' said Rails. (page 271). 'Heaven on Earth' By Michael D'Antonio Fairfield, Iowa Crown 1992
[FairfieldLife] When You Have Nothing
Everything is theft to someone who has nothing worth stealing. So, when you have nothing, be a sign. What you should be doing is investing in banks and in the oil industry, so that you get a good return on your money. It's not reasonable to be un-invested in something these days - you need to take advantage of this opportunity to invest, so you can save up and retire with some cash coming in every month. So, go figure. 'Take the Profits from These Banks to Your Bank' Motley Fool: http://tinyurl.com/axtnebg http://tinyurl.com/axtnebg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
To: Laughing One Jelly Bean Dear Mr. Bean, or may I call you Jelly? I am writing at the behest of my client Share F. Long to whose attention has come your illustrious writing. She especially liked the points you made to Doc this morning. Anyway, she has warned me that if I don't get off my tukas, which unfortunately I do have to sit on in order to write at my computer ha ha. Anyway, Missy Share has urged me to contact you saying that if I don't, some other agent will scoop you up, well, just like a scooper full of jelly beans! And many of these agents are not as attuned to their clients every need and wish as I am. Just ask my mother. So here I am offering to be your agent as you navigate the slippery and treacherous byways and bylines of Hollywood, not to mention FFL. Perhaps we could meet for lunch and I promise you I'm not the foodie that Miss Share F is so we can go anywhere you'd like. My treat! One last slightly delicate issue: I realize that coming from a Border State as I do, I really can't appreciate the depth of loyalty in a True Southerner such as yourself. However I am hoping you won't hold that accident of birth agin me and find it in your heart to consider my request to be your hard working and ever proud yet humble agent. Sincerely wishing you all the best, Wilbur Farnsworpy Tigglewud III PS Once you become my adored client, if you ever give me monogrammed mugs or ties or pet rocks, please refrain from using the traditional form of monogramming wherein the initial of the last name is placed in the middle. Someday when we have become much closer, I will share with you the tragic events that render me so vulnerable in this area of life. Sniff sniff... From: laughinggull108 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 10:05 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested. When we last left LJB and our three seekers, seekers Share and Steve were yadda yadda yadda in the lush vegetation just inches away from the clear-flowing river while seeker Xeno had spent an indeterminant length of time either deep in samadhi or sloughing off hopefully the final remnants of deep fatigue in his nervous system...judging from the wet spot on his shirt front, we can safely assume the latter. As the scene opens, Nellie J's Price Tag (http://youtu.be/qMxX-QOV9tI) can be heard playing softly from the beat up Sony boom-box on the seat in the cab of the beat up saffron-colored Ford Ranger mini-pickup truck. As in the last scene, LJB is leaning in close to seeker Xeno, and in a louder and slightly more impatient voice says: Take one or two minutes and slowly open the eyes. As seeker Xeno's eyes begin to flutter open, seekers Share's and Steve's begin to close as the heavy and intoxicatingly sweet fragrance of lilac, along with the natural lullaby of the clear-flowing river, gently lulls them to sleep...not to mention the velvety cushion of soft green moss against which both are languidly reclined. (Happy now, Steve???) When he is once more able to focus, seeker Xeno's eyes fall on the vast assortment of objects that LJB has so artfully and tastefully arranged on the downturned tailgate of the pick-up truck. In the shadows under the wooden camper shell can be seen various beat up cardboard boxes in a state of disarray with their contents spilling out across the bed of the truck. Could I interest you seeker Xeno in various rare and sacred objects guaranteed to begin the cleansing and purifying process to the extent that His Worshipfulness will deign to bestow a brief moment of His coveted attention upon your sorry ass...uh, I mean unrealized small 's' self? croons LJB in his best Og Mandino impression. In a somewhat croaky yet quiet whisper so that seekers Share and Share can't hear, seeker Xeno asks May I please buy four cups of water to assuage my rabid thirst? Certainly, smiles LJB as he walks a mere two feet away and dips an empty quart bottle in the clear-flowing river and hands it to seeker Xeno. That will be $10 please. Now wait just a darn minute, O Laughing One protests seeker Xeno, who obviously came out of meditation a little too quickly. Earlier you said water was $2 a cup so by my calculation four cups would only be $8. Yes, dear seeker Xeno, that is true, croons LJB in his most soothing voice. But four cups is equal to a quart of water, and the price of a quart of water is $10. If you're running low on funds, I conveniently accept credit or debit cards for a very modest 5% surcharge over and above my very fair purchase prices. Slightly confused because he came out of meditation a little too quickly, and his rabid thirst getting the better of him, seeker Xeno hands over his gold Amex card to which LJB smiles gleefully as soon as he turns to go ring up the charge. Why don't I just hold on to this until
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: First of all Lawson, I really appreciate the dialogue we are having. Don't think that I want to dump TM. I think it is a very good technique to start meditation, and I think that at a later stage it is up to everybody to either continue to advance with TM or with something else. Navashok, That is entirely what meditating Fairfield has become all about. It's a very exciting and special place spiritually that way now. -Buck I'm sure its a great place, and I even know a few very nice Fairfielders personally, no nobody who posts here, but I guess for me I'm prejudiced, too many Americans and too many TMers. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I suspect you are both misreading what Lawson had in mind. He isn't stupid, and he knows the TM research better than anyone here. I'm not sure what he means either, but I'd suggest you wait to draw any conclusions until he can clarify. It's very highly unlikely that either of you would be able to come up with something he had missed or hadn't accounted for. The pattern during TM is one of increased alpha EEG coherence, and that starts to level off (but never completely stops changing) after a few months of TM , but the longer one has been practicing the more the EEG outside of TM practice starts to resemble the EEG during TM practice. Now, the EEG found during pure consciousness is the most coherent found in a given TMer and if you look just at the EEG during PC, there's obviously some room for refinement during practice, but the average outside of practice starts to resemble the average during, and that was my point... because, in contrast, the average EEG during mantra-based meditation What do you mean by mantra based meditation? TM IS mantra based. Well, technically, a mantra is used in TM practice, but mantra-based practices are considered focused attention practices, and those tend to show more and more gamma EEG the longer you have been doing them. Okay. shifts from relaxed alpha to concentrative gamma as one becomes more experienced, and the average EEG outside of such practices also shifts towards less alpha and more gamma. And that is bad or worse? How do you know? Well, insomuch as these techniques all tend to fragment the brain as a side-effect of the long-term practice, while PC is a period where the brain is idling in a vary coherent way, showing the EEG associated with relaxation and rest, rather than concentration and effort, I have no way of knowing... In my experience, with higher states there comes a spontaneous concentration, really concentrated awareness, completely focused and without effort. Maharishi might say point value. Well with TM, if you REALLY are in samadhi (pure consciousness), you can't note it until such time as some degree of waking state consciousness reassumes, and by then, you are no longer in the pure state. And this is something that raises question marks for me. How could you say that you experience pure consciousness, when you 'notice' it only afterwards? Does it mean you are not conscious during the experience, or does it mean you are unable to press a button while you are in? What kind of 'purity' is this, when it is *lost* so easily? So whole model of having pure consciousness, as an overlay over normal activity, and also the normally active mind, rests on the assertion, that the purity of PC doesn't get lost, right? I think that the whole contradiction comes about, because of the definitions, how you define PC in TM, and then attribute a certain physiological signature to it. In this way, you already limit how it can be expressed in activity. Really speaking you should start from the other end, find somebody who lives in CC / GC /UC, and then measure his brainwaves, and then compare it to the experiences that are called 'transcending' in TM. How does a person in TM know he has transcended? It is clear that he is being told so. The technical definition in TM of TC is: No mantra, no thought. But that could be some kind of nap too! Maybe it#s yoga nidra. I have very practical reasons for saying all this: when at a certain point, I was still in the movement, actually meditating in Purusha, I had an opening in the higher chakras, I was in a state of
[FairfieldLife] Re: The US should do what Iceland has done to the banksters
Bhairitu: What US bankster would you like to see doing the perp walk? Timothy Geithner? Speaking of U.S. elections, 2016 should be interesting. Let's see, the GOP has Rick Perry, Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal, Rick Scott, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, and Rand Paul; the Dems have what, Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden? LoL! 'Rick Perry: The Presidential Candidate Ahead of His Time' National Review: http://tinyurl.com/ccw6hvp
[FairfieldLife] Re: ques to navashok was Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hi navashok, about turq, and maybe he'll hate this, No, he couldn't care less, just my prediction. but for example, when he posted the Christmas cap photo I thought that was vulnerable, maybe unintentionally so, but nonetheless I cringe when some ridicule even such posts of his. I don't remember, I think I was in India then. I don't remember if anyone did in that particular example but there have been other instances. What I don't understand is why turq writes something happy sounding but then he ends with a criticism or jab. And it does seem that often when he shares his opinions and or observations, there is quite a critical angle or critical subtext also. Even now when he's happily in Paris! It's perplexing. Any insights about that? It's really not up to me to judge him. Usually I chose very carefully *what* I agree with. So, there are other things he says, I don't agree with, so what? Maybe, especially about emotionally loaded words, as a foreigner I have the advantage of not understanding everything. That is to say, I can look up words in the dictionary, but I have a hard time to understand the effects of these words, like the C-word. If even you Americans have quarrels about this word, what should I say? The second point is, that, as I just mentioned before, we were most of the time we know each other online, opposed to each other, but I always saw that he had good insights, which I liked. Besides that, he has a very readable writing style. We have a few insights in common, for example I was always a big fan of the Castaneda books. So we have a philosophy we share. Barry even met Castaneda one time, and sent me a report - not withstanding that he is very critical about him. So, Share, I chose to focus on what I see valuable in him. And I'm glad I came to a point, where I can just like him as he is. Well, another thing is, I always had *bad* friends (do you want to be my friend, Share) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fSpWRJFbb0 And I repeat what I told before about him: he is not 'sticky', you never get the feeling, he wants something from you. He makes his rap, and then leaves it at that. And if you look closely, he just mocks attitudes, not really people. Nobody needs to identify. Contrast that with the behavior of others here, you know whom I mean. And sometimes it's as if he's trying to be indifferent and disdainful at the same time! Very curious combo. Again, any insights? I think he wants to make a point, and satirizes things he criticizes. About Robin's return I don't understand Robin's replies to Curtis. I thought Curtis was quite balanced in his responses to Robin. Yep, absolutely. Am I missing something which I admit is possible. Is it simply the history between them? And my usual question about such: do people really need to drag grudges into a new year? Yes. And do they have to have grudges at all? What is transcending all about then? Finally what I find very ironic is that all 3 of these men are anti TM in one way or the other and or in many ways. Curtis practices TM afaik, so how could he be anti TM. Neither is Barry anti-TM. Barry criticizes only the cultic aspects of TM, the movement. A lot more than me, admittedly, but I don't call him anti TM. And Robin, well, I think he is actually the most critical about TM, because he comes from a classical religious catholic POV. He believes that the forces which he thinks to be behind TM are really fundamentally deceptive. Barry is an Advaitist, a non-dualist. Philosophically speaking, we are on one line. Robin is a strict dualist. But since he romanticizes his TM past, people don't really get this. But I am not really sure how honest he is in this regard. Especially not after reading CULT. I guess I should be grateful that they don't find a way to unite on this front (-: Robin seems to want to use TMers, he appeals to them, but why I don't really know. But at the bottom of his heart he is against it. I personally seek a certain distance to the TM mindset, the TM culture, but I am in no way against TM. I even initiated somebody a year ago. From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,  I do not believe even for a moment that Barry is not vulnerable or sensitive - he certainly is, but he doesn't make a show of it. When people talk here about great words, how we face life, how we interact with other people, you would certainly do good to be reminded about the nature of this interaction here: It is an internet forum. It is not real life. (That's why the famous, 'get a life'). So when for example Barry remarks, that he feels he needs a shower sometimes when he looks at FFL, (and so do I) he
[FairfieldLife] This thread has been re-subjected
Could you re-subject the subject thread when you take a turn and drive off? It should be helpful to the reading public here... Ann: This happens all the time, in every single subject thread... So, who would you believe? A very large group of people standing on the corner, who all said that they saw a 'big blue bus' just go by. Or, Another, very small group of people, standing on the same street corner, who all said that 'no big blue bus' came by. Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: With God. Trying to get him to make my subjectivity purely objective--i.e. truthful to reality. [This would mean being able to trust implicitly in the deliverances of my first person ontology--that they are in agreement with the way things really are.] It's very hard, feste--as you can see from my intemperate and irrational outburst against BW. I am trying to find the self that is better than the Self. And, as you know, I am a very humble man. But Christ! it ain't easy. Magna secessione a tumultu rerum labentium, mihi crede, opus est, ut non duritia, non audacia, non cupiditate inanis gloriae, non superstitiosa credulitate fiat in homine nihil timere. Hine enim fit illud etiam solidum guadium nullis omnino laetitiis ulla ex particula conferendum. Augustine: Complete withdrawal from the turmoil of transitory things is, believe me, essential before a man can develop that fearlessness in the face of death which is based neither on insensibility nor on foolhardy presumption, neither on the desire for empty glory nor on superstitious credulity. It is that which is the origin of that solid joy with which no pleasure from any transitory source is in any way to be compared. Still seeking enlightenment by any other name, Robin. I think you're approaching this backwards. 'With God. Trying to get him to make my subjectivity purely objective--i.e. truthful to reality.' In a world view of gods and men, the gods rule, man is subjugated. You cannot get the totality to bow to the demands of a part. You cannot have your objective reality as long as 'you' are a part of it. In religious terms (which I tend to despise in actuality), you need to give up the ghost of your personal ontology, you cannot make a jumble of ideas that are called a personal 'self' a reality. Personal ontology is a useful conceptual vehicle for acting in the world, but it is mythological, it's a narrative, its not an entity, it is not actually real. You are trying to use a fictitious vehicle to understand reality. Your 'self' is like a massive impacted mass of kidney stones. It's your spiritual blockade. It is in your way at every turn. Forget trying to understand why Barry rejects you so wholeheartedly; your 'personal self', your ego, is nothing to him. Nobody's is (unless she has a bold personality and certain topographical contours perhaps). Your rejection of unity is based on the same problem, that 'you' were in unity. Nobody is in unity. The whole, whatever you call it, God as you would like to have it, is its own thing by itself. When the personal ontology drops away, the whole reveals itself, not because now you have achieved something and it decides to show you, but because it is always there and the crap has floated away, and so naturally, it can then be appreciated. Robin Carlsen is so dear to you. Robin Carlsen has to die. That's it. I think you best pen pal here would be Curtis. But those discussions always go awry because whatever Robin is seen to be in your mind, that Robin is the centre. If you want to be religious about it, put God in the centre and lay Robin to rest. The nature of God might then express itself through that body with the name Robin, but not through 'you'. Personal ontology and spiritual maturity are not compatible. 'Although you perform many works, if you do not deny your will and submit yourself, losing all solicitude about yourself and your affairs, you will not make progress.' - St. John of the Cross 'Magna secessione a tumultu rerum labentium: Complete withdrawal from the turmoil of transitory things'. Why do you come back onto FFL?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret of the Mantras
Rick Archer: The Secret of the Mantras Show me ANY Devangiri bija mantra in ANY Sanskrit, old Brahmi, Hindi, or Urdu lexicon, or in ANY Veda, in any Vedic Literature, or in ANY Berlitz or Rosetta Stone Hindi phrase guide. Just one. Or, failing that, post a flash card showing your bija mantra in any common prakrit; or failing that, just post one URL to a Yantra graphic that shows the bija mantra for Saraswati. Thanks in advance, Rick. LoL! The answer is here: 'Exploring Chakras: Awaken Your Untapped Energy' by Susan G. Shumsky 'Secret of Seed (Bija) Mantras' by David Frawley
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: As MMY explained the decision to hike the price of TM through the roof: it is the elite of the world who set the trends and make the laws and the rich don't shop at poor stores. Getting voluntary celebrity endorsements is a surefire way to get media attention, which is a form of free advertising. L But the mass of people, who could benefit from it, do not shop in these stores, so even if they would like to have it, it is out of reach. They do not live like the elite, however much they may admire them or want to be like them. There are other ways to look at it. Some friends of mine learned TM in early 1974. It was US$64. Inflation adjusted to the current US Consumer Price Index (which sadly does not accurately measure inflation but it saves our bankrupt government moola) the price would be US$315. If you measure the inflation adjusted cost using the way the United States government measured inflation back in 1974, the current cost would be US$1195. You can learn mindfulness kinds of meditation for free or for considerably less.
[FairfieldLife] Re: a young soul faking it...to dumbass
Thank you, and your compliments would have been perfect, except for all the name calling.;-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Excellent. Barry is doing the only thing he can do - pretend non-attachment, and liberation. He has been at the seeker game too long, and too publicly, to still be having few or no encouraging experiences during spiritual practices, certainly nothing of any lasting value. So he fakes it. He doesn't want to expose his limp dick during social intercourse, so he fakes it. Its pretty funny watching an ego fake its liberation, and sad too. Very much the seal trying for a quick 100 yd. dash. Very strange these people who would rather turn their lives into a dead smiling hell, than face themselves, and their failures. It is a strategy used by young souls - this playing pretend, this wasting time in life, as other than yourself, faking it. For the rest of us, life is too precious to be unreal. Even when it hurts like the devil. I wouldn't hesitate to be in pain, if the alternative is being dead inside - all locked up in a spinning mind, the sly spider catching himself in his own web, then announcing to the rest of us, Gotcha!. I'd rather stare life in the face, with the worst it has to offer, than don a cloak of emotional death, and fake it. Barry's clear choice (and his sidekick's too), and dead easy to spot. Nice metaphors in the above dumbass. Leave out all the name calling and it's a very nice piece of writing indeed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. This excuse of respect is not about that at all. That is a convenient but erroneous description of what is really going on. It isn't about what Barry feels about the other person it is what the other person makes Barry feel about himself and THAT is what Barry dislikes. When he is made to feel inadequate he will point his finger at the other person and claim they are to blame; they are too boring or stupid or dogmatic. He will never take responsibility for himself and the reasons he feels the way he does. It will always be about the other guy. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. Exactly. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or liking. I have a very good idea of his POV from his pieces contrary to your perspective. If a new poster showed up here today I could probably predict with good accuracy how Barry would react to them. It was easy to
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
A couple of points: 1) TM was a fad in the 70's and the organization was growing unsustainably fast. I had an email conversation with Peter McWilliams a few months before he died and he said he was warning MMY that the [then current] growth was unsustainable. Trying to reconcile how much TM cost when 35,000 people a month were learning TM in the early 70's with today's pricing without taking into account that the TM fad phase passed by about 1976 is rather unrealistic. 2) The David Lynch Foundation has taught several hundred thousand people TM in the past few years, and my impression is that the rate of teaching is accelerating. The price for the DLF is 1/5 what it is to the average person and the average person can get about a 60% scholarship from the DLF and local TM centers, if they ask nicely. 3) Which leads to another point: the TM organization, from what I have seen, would rather teach one person who continues the practice throughout their entire life, than 100 people who stop after 1 month. Setting the price as high s they have eliminates dabblers (unless they are ultra-wealthy) from even bothering to enquire if there's a way of lowering the price. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: As MMY explained the decision to hike the price of TM through the roof: it is the elite of the world who set the trends and make the laws and the rich don't shop at poor stores. Getting voluntary celebrity endorsements is a surefire way to get media attention, which is a form of free advertising. L But the mass of people, who could benefit from it, do not shop in these stores, so even if they would like to have it, it is out of reach. They do not live like the elite, however much they may admire them or want to be like them. There are other ways to look at it. Some friends of mine learned TM in early 1974. It was US$64. Inflation adjusted to the current US Consumer Price Index (which sadly does not accurately measure inflation but it saves our bankrupt government moola) the price would be US$315. If you measure the inflation adjusted cost using the way the United States government measured inflation back in 1974, the current cost would be US$1195. You can learn mindfulness kinds of meditation for free or for considerably less.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret of the Mantras
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard J. Williams Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:18 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret of the Mantras Rick Archer: The Secret of the Mantras Show me ANY Devangiri bija mantra in ANY Sanskrit, old Brahmi, Hindi, or Urdu lexicon, or in ANY Veda, in any Vedic Literature, or in ANY Berlitz or Rosetta Stone Hindi phrase guide. Just one. Or, failing that, post a flash card showing your bija mantra in any common prakrit; or failing that, just post one URL to a Yantra graphic that shows the bija mantra for Saraswati. Thanks in advance, Rick. LoL! The answer is here: 'Exploring Chakras: Awaken Your Untapped Energy' by Susan G. Shumsky 'Secret of Seed (Bija) Mantras' by David Frawley I don't know about all that. The book's title was derived from that fact that when its author became an initiator on the Beatles' TTC, MMY was giving out only one mantra. But that's not the most interesting part of the book. There was some interesting stuff about Charlie Lutes vs. The Beatles, and other stuff I hadn't known.
[FairfieldLife] Re: a young soul faking it...to dumbass
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Thank you, and your compliments would have been perfect, except for all the name calling.;-) Touche dumbass. Guess I'm going to have to start calling you Jim? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Excellent. Barry is doing the only thing he can do - pretend non-attachment, and liberation. He has been at the seeker game too long, and too publicly, to still be having few or no encouraging experiences during spiritual practices, certainly nothing of any lasting value. So he fakes it. He doesn't want to expose his limp dick during social intercourse, so he fakes it. Its pretty funny watching an ego fake its liberation, and sad too. Very much the seal trying for a quick 100 yd. dash. Very strange these people who would rather turn their lives into a dead smiling hell, than face themselves, and their failures. It is a strategy used by young souls - this playing pretend, this wasting time in life, as other than yourself, faking it. For the rest of us, life is too precious to be unreal. Even when it hurts like the devil. I wouldn't hesitate to be in pain, if the alternative is being dead inside - all locked up in a spinning mind, the sly spider catching himself in his own web, then announcing to the rest of us, Gotcha!. I'd rather stare life in the face, with the worst it has to offer, than don a cloak of emotional death, and fake it. Barry's clear choice (and his sidekick's too), and dead easy to spot. Nice metaphors in the above dumbass. Leave out all the name calling and it's a very nice piece of writing indeed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. Curtis, Barry does not like anyone who disagrees with him. His criteria for liking or not liking someone are very transparent and quite simple. They include more than the one I just mentioned, but ultimately he dislikes personal challenge coming from others. If that challenge takes the form of anything resembling a different viewpoint or one that makes him have to question his very rigid beliefs or one that requires him to retract, apologize or question his position he will take that as a personal attack or as a sign of boringness, cuntness, small mindedness or stupidity on the part of that person. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Barry is never vulnerable on this forum. Ever. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. Barry doesn't begin to have the tools to deal with Robin. He is so far out of his depth, his comfort zone his perception of what is unknown or possible that to actually interact on even the most superficial level with Robin would require something Barry simply does not possess or refuses to acknowledge. It is kind of like asking a seal to run the 100m dash in 10 seconds on dry land. Not possible. BW, then, does not allow the reader, either consciously or unconsciously, to derive any experience of what kind of experience BW must be having as he so slovenly and insincerely (the latter is quite subtle and can easily be missed) argues for his position. The digs aside (slovenly? insincerely?) I don't believe he sees any reason to share anything with people he does not like or respect. This excuse of respect is not about that at all. That is a convenient but erroneous description of what is really going on. It isn't about what Barry feels about the other person it is what the other person makes Barry feel about himself and THAT is what Barry dislikes. When he is made to feel inadequate he will point his finger at the other person and claim they are to blame; they are too boring or stupid or dogmatic. He will never take responsibility for himself and the reasons he feels the way he does. It will always be about the other guy. He just calls it as he sees it and moves on. His blasts are not an opening for a dialogue, they are just projections of his POV, more writing exercise than conversation. Exactly. If you look at the list of people who have received such attention they often have some similar traits that Barry is outspoken about not respecting or
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Good God, Xeno! Sorry for religious term but I don't know how else to express my flabbergastedness. Thank you so much for translation too. I wasn't able to find a good translator online. They would translate a few words then revert to Latin. Very vexing. Ok, I'll simply fumble along, not really adding much, but simply want to say that this IMHO has got to be not only one of your best writings but also one of the best writings to Robin that I have seen. I appreciate how you're clear but also nuanced and rich in your expressions. I appreciate how you're challenging without being confrontational or mean spirited. Last but not least I appreciate your touch of humor with the kidney stones image. I think I'm more than a little envious of your writing acumen in this post. I shall now shut up and go shovel snow for the umpteenth time this year. Ann, where are you when I need you and your shovel? From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Men only, --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: With God. Trying to get him to make my subjectivity purely objective--i.e. truthful to reality. [This would mean being able to trust implicitly in the deliverances of my first person ontology--that they are in agreement with the way things really are.] It's very hard, feste--as you can see from my intemperate and irrational outburst against BW. I am trying to find the self that is better than the Self. And, as you know, I am a very humble man. But Christ! it ain't easy. Magna secessione a tumultu rerum labentium, mihi crede, opus est, ut non duritia, non audacia, non cupiditate inanis gloriae, non superstitiosa credulitate fiat in homine nihil timere. Hine enim fit illud etiam solidum guadium nullis omnino laetitiis ulla ex particula conferendum. Augustine: Complete withdrawal from the turmoil of transitory things is, believe me, essential before a man can develop that fearlessness in the face of death which is based neither on insensibility nor on foolhardy presumption, neither on the desire for empty glory nor on superstitious credulity. It is that which is the origin of that solid joy with which no pleasure from any transitory source is in any way to be compared. Still seeking enlightenment by any other name, Robin. I think you're approaching this backwards. 'With God. Trying to get him to make my subjectivity purely objective--i.e. truthful to reality.' In a world view of gods and men, the gods rule, man is subjugated. You cannot get the totality to bow to the demands of a part. You cannot have your objective reality as long as 'you' are a part of it. In religious terms (which I tend to despise in actuality), you need to give up the ghost of your personal ontology, you cannot make a jumble of ideas that are called a personal 'self' a reality. Personal ontology is a useful conceptual vehicle for acting in the world, but it is mythological, it's a narrative, its not an entity, it is not actually real. You are trying to use a fictitious vehicle to understand reality. Your 'self' is like a massive impacted mass of kidney stones. It's your spiritual blockade. It is in your way at every turn. Forget trying to understand why Barry rejects you so wholeheartedly; your 'personal self', your ego, is nothing to him. Nobody's is (unless she has a bold personality and certain topographical contours perhaps). Your rejection of unity is based on the same problem, that 'you' were in unity. Nobody is in unity. The whole, whatever you call it, God as you would like to have it, is its own thing by itself. When the personal ontology drops away, the whole reveals itself, not because now you have achieved something and it decides to show you, but because it is always there and the crap has floated away, and so naturally, it can then be appreciated. Robin Carlsen is so dear to you. Robin Carlsen has to die. That's it. I think you best pen pal here would be Curtis. But those discussions always go awry because whatever Robin is seen to be in your mind, that Robin is the centre. If you want to be religious about it, put God in the centre and lay Robin to rest. The nature of God might then express itself through that body with the name Robin, but not through 'you'. Personal ontology and spiritual maturity are not compatible. 'Although you perform many works, if you do not deny your will and submit yourself, losing all solicitude about yourself and your affairs, you will not make progress.' - St. John of the Cross 'Magna secessione a tumultu rerum labentium: Complete withdrawal from the turmoil of transitory things'. Why do you come back onto FFL?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: First of all Lawson, I really appreciate the dialogue we are having. Don't think that I want to dump TM. I think it is a very good technique to start meditation, and I think that at a later stage it is up to everybody to either continue to advance with TM or with something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] [...] Well with TM, if you REALLY are in samadhi (pure consciousness), you can't note it until such time as some degree of waking state consciousness reassumes, and by then, you are no longer in the pure state. And this is something that raises question marks for me. How could you say that you experience pure consciousness, when you 'notice' it only afterwards? Does it mean you are not conscious during the experience, or does it mean you are unable to press a button while you are in? Sigh... MMY and just about everyone else describes pure consciousness as the situation where the ripples in the lake have completely faded away, leaving the water of the lake perfectly still, etc. Using that analogy, where does your confusion come from? Noting the lake [the mind] is still requires a ripple associated with noting the lake in the first place. Deciding to a button requires a ripple associated with decision-making. Pressing the button requires a ripple associated with voluntary motion. Etc. By the time you press the button, a little of ripples have arisen to support the activity of that button-press. What kind of 'purity' is this, when it is *lost* so easily? So whole model of having pure consciousness, as an overlay over normal activity, and also the normally active mind, rests on the assertion, that the purity of PC doesn't get lost, right? What kind of purity is it that it is lost so easily? Gee, using any and all physical analogies that I can think of.. Adding 1 percent non-salt makes the salt less than pure. Having a few overtones in a sound makes the sound more complicated. Within the model of how regular practice of TM alternated with activity, which I guess is what you are really asking about, the fact is, ANY kind of mental activity is less pure than pure consciousness but theory AND research suggests that repeatedly practicing TM, so that the nervous system starts to at least approach the pattern found during pure consciousness, alternated with regular activity, starts to create a situation where the EEG pattern found during pure consciousness shows up more and more outside of TM practice. This isn't some special thing. It is called Hebbian Learning and in its simplest form, has been used as an explanation for how the brain works since the 1940's. when a nerve cell fires close to another nerve cell, the second nerve cell starts to become associated with the first nerve cell so that it becomes more likely to fire when the first one fires. When a pattern of firing is established throughout the brain, and is repeated often enough during meditation, that pattern of firing starts to show up more and more outside of meditation. Non-TM techniques tend to show a pattern of behavior associated with paying attention to things, concepts, emotions, perceptions, etc. TM shows a pattern associated with simple relaxation. It turns out that in the very earliest days of EEG study, where the only brain wave pattern known was alpha (the types of brain wave patterns were named in order of discovery, by the way), it was found that simply closing the eyes, even in a dark room, would raise the alpha EEG associated with resting. Flashforward to the early 2000's, and scientists started to realize that simple rest wasn't all that simple. They noted that certain parts of the brain became MORE active during rest and the term, default mode network was coined. In time, the DMN was taken to be how the brain operates while in self-referral mode. It turns out that any and all meditation techniques tend to activate the DMN. However, the WAY in which they activate it varies from technique to technique. Concentrative, mindful, and such techniques lead to less alpha over time, both during and outside of meditation, while often increasing gamma power and coherence (gamma is associated with paying attention to objects). TM, more than any other studied technique, tends to enhance the natural alpha that spontaneously shows up as one starts to rest. Regardless of the type of meditation, the basic pattern that is enhanced during meditation starts to show up more and more outside meditation. TM enhances the natural functioning of the DMN while most other techniques actually start to reverse it. The brain learns to stay restful as a result of TM practice and the brain learns to stay extremely vigilant as a result of mindfulness and concentrative practices. I think that the whole contradiction comes about, because of the
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret of the Mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: [...] I don't know about all that. The book's title was derived from that fact that when its author became an initiator on the Beatles' TTC, MMY was giving out only one mantra. But that's not the most interesting part of the book. There was some interesting stuff about Charlie Lutes vs. The Beatles, and other stuff I hadn't known. That sounds a bit odd as 10+ years before that, MMY was saying that we use the mantras [plural] to fetch the grace of the gods [plural]. Odd that he would only use one mantra 10 years later. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To Wilbur.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: To: Laughing One Jelly Bean Dear Mr. Bean, or may I call you Jelly? I am writing at the behest of my client Share F. Long to whose attention has come your illustrious writing. She especially liked the points you made to Doc this morning. Anyway, she has warned me that if I don't get off my tukas, which unfortunately I do have to sit on in order to write at my computer ha ha. Anyway, Missy Share has urged me to contact you saying that if I don't, some other agent will scoop you up, well, just like a scooper full of jelly beans! And many of these agents are not as attuned to their clients every need and wish as I am. Just ask my mother. So here I am offering to be your agent as you navigate the slippery and treacherous byways and bylines of Hollywood, not to mention FFL. Perhaps we could meet for lunch and I promise you I'm not the foodie that Miss Share F is so we can go anywhere you'd like. My treat! One last slightly delicate issue: I realize that coming from a Border State as I do, I really can't appreciate the depth of loyalty in a True Southerner such as yourself. However I am hoping you won't hold that accident of birth agin me and find it in your heart to consider my request to be your hard working and ever proud yet humble agent. Sincerely wishing you all the best, Wilbur Farnsworpy Tigglewud III PS Once you become my adored client, if you ever give me monogrammed mugs or ties or pet rocks, please refrain from using the traditional form of monogramming wherein the initial of the last name is placed in the middle. Someday when we have become much closer, I will share with you the tragic events that render me so vulnerable in this area of life. Sniff sniff... Wilbur, you old scoundrel you! Long time, no hear! My ma was your pa's pen pal throughout our younger years. She saved every last letter he wrote her and tied pretty ribbons around them, and hid 'em in her cedar chest at the foot of her and my pa's bed or so she thought. Anyway, she told me she met your pa when her 11th grade class went on an early spring field trip to our nation's capital at the exact same time that your pa's senior class was there, and they stayed at the very same hotel. Well, she never did finish high school because she had me less than a year later I'm a Christmas baby. Don't you remember when you and your pa came to visit the farm here in Carolina and stayed almost a whole week! I was seven and you were five and we had such fun milkin' the cows and sloppin' the hogs with grandpa. Remember when we jumped out of the hayloft and you got your foot caught in the boards? You fell plumb smack on your back and knocked the breath clean out ya'. Ma whooped both of us real good with that willow branch for scaring the daylights outta her, then felt bad, so had grandpa churn us a gallon of homemade peach ice cream and we ate about a quart each and had stomach aches afterwards. Anyway, a few years later, ma married my pa and the letters from your pa quit coming, and we lost touch with each other. Who'd have thought that we'd both end up involved in some way with TM you do meditate, don't you Wilbur? Silly me, but of course you do, you're Share's agent, aren't you??? I'm excited about reconnecting as, of course, I'd be pleased as punch to have you as my agent. I'll have my people's people line something up with your people to work out all the technical details of the contract. My current team has just finalized a movie deal with Spielberg's outfit Dreamworks (do you think you can handle that?) and we're in the middle of casting. So far, we have Steve Carell lined up as seeker Steve, and Alan Rickman is seriously considering the part of seeker Xeno. Since finishing up the Harry Potter series, Rickman is sort of strapped for cash so I think we'll get him. Oh, and Alicia Keyes is onboard with her version of Songbird as the movie's love theme. We should have moved more quickly on Jennifer Lawrence as seeker Share but then she had to go and win the Best Actress Oscar so it's highly doubtful that she'll sign with us now a couple of heads rolled for dragging their feet on that one! We might have to settle for Dolly Parton, unless you know someone we could approach who is within our ten mil budget. And who are we going to get to play me? I've been so busy writing the screenplay that I haven't given it another thought. I guess if push comes to shove, I could always play myself. And of course, His Holiness Raviji will want to play himself when He makes a brief cameo to zap seekers Share and Steve with His Holy and Benign Darshan near the end of the movie. Let's move slowly on this as I don't want to unduly alarm Him as He has grown to depend on me as His self-appointed door lackey, and I've grown to depend on the substantial take at the door for the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret of the Mantras
On 03/24/2013 11:40 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote: [...] I don't know about all that. The book's title was derived from that fact that when its author became an initiator on the Beatles' TTC, MMY was giving out only one mantra. But that's not the most interesting part of the book. There was some interesting stuff about Charlie Lutes vs. The Beatles, and other stuff I hadn't known. That sounds a bit odd as 10+ years before that, MMY was saying that we use the mantras [plural] to fetch the grace of the gods [plural]. Odd that he would only use one mantra 10 years later. L He was speaking about mantras in general. There are a many, many mantras and they are used for different things. Giving one mantra for meditation would not be unusual. For the masses you generally give a shanti or shiva mantra for meditation. Even with those two groups there are many to choose from.
[FairfieldLife] Hungary Destroys All Monsanto GMO Corn Fields
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Re: [FairfieldLife] This thread has been re-subjected
On 03/24/2013 10:01 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Could you re-subject the subject thread when you take a turn and drive off? It should be helpful to the reading public here... Ann: This happens all the time, in every single subject thread... So, who would you believe? A very large group of people standing on the corner, who all said that they saw a 'big blue bus' just go by. Or, Another, very small group of people, standing on the same street corner, who all said that 'no big blue bus' came by. Go figure. As we know FFL'ers are too lazy to just start a new thread or topic so they just hijack a current one sometimes changing the subject line. They don't seem to know that the new topic is going to be way inside another one. Of course thread hijacking is poor netiquette but only on FFL would raising the issue create hackles. See it really is the Funny Farm Lounge.
[FairfieldLife] HBO's Phil Spector
Heads up for those with HBO (as well as the eye patch folks) that Phil Spector starring Al Pacino as Spector and Helen Mirren debuts tonight. It's a movie not a series. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1745862/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Blessed are platitude puking Gurus !!! To all interested.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: To: Laughing One Jelly Bean Dear Mr. Bean, or may I call you Jelly? I am writing at the behest of my client Share F. Long to whose attention has come your illustrious writing. She especially liked the points you made to Doc this morning. Anyway, she has warned me that if I don't get off my tukas, which unfortunately I do have to sit on in order to write at my computer ha ha. Anyway, Missy Share has urged me to contact you saying that if I don't, some other agent will scoop you up, well, just like a scooper full of jelly beans! And many of these agents are not as attuned to their clients every need and wish as I am. Just ask my mother. So here I am offering to be your agent as you navigate the slippery and treacherous byways and bylines of Hollywood, not to mention FFL. Perhaps we could meet for lunch and I promise you I'm not the foodie that Miss Share F is so we can go anywhere you'd like. My treat! One last slightly delicate issue: I realize that coming from a Border State as I do, I really can't appreciate the depth of loyalty in a True Southerner such as yourself. However I am hoping you won't hold that accident of birth agin me and find it in your heart to consider my request to be your hard working and ever proud yet humble agent. Sincerely wishing you all the best, Wilbur Farnsworpy Tigglewud III PS Once you become my adored client, if you ever give me monogrammed mugs or ties or pet rocks, please refrain from using the traditional form of monogramming wherein the initial of the last name is placed in the middle. Someday when we have become much closer, I will share with you the tragic events that render me so vulnerable in this area of life. Sniff sniff... Wilbur, you old scoundrel you! Long time, no hear! My ma was your pa's pen pal throughout our younger years. She saved every last letter he wrote her and tied pretty ribbons around them, and hid 'em in her cedar chest at the foot of her and my pa's bed...or so she thought. Anyway, she told me she met your pa when her 11th grade class went on an early spring field trip to our nation's capital at the exact same time that your pa's senior class was there, and they stayed at the very same hotel. Well, she never did finish high school because she had me less than a year later...I'm a Christmas baby. Don't you remember when you and your pa came to visit the farm here in Carolina and stayed almost a whole week! I was seven and you were five and we had such fun milkin' the cows and sloppin' the hogs with grandpa. Remember when we jumped out of the hayloft and you got your foot caught in the boards? You fell plumb smack on your back and knocked the breath clean out ya'. Ma whooped both of us real good with that willow branch for scaring the daylights outta her, then felt bad, so had grandpa churn us a gallon of homemade peach ice cream and we ate about a quart each and had stomach aches afterwards. Anyway, a few years later, ma married my pa and the letters from your pa quit coming, and we lost touch with each other. Who'd have thought that we'd both end up involved in some way with TM...you do meditate, don't you Wilbur? Silly me, but of course you do, you're Share's agent, aren't you??? I'm excited about reconnecting as, of course, I'd be pleased as punch to have you as my agent. I'll have my people's people line something up with your people to work out the details of the contract. My current team has just finalized a movie deal with Spielberg's outfit Dreamworks (do you think you can handle that???) and we're in the middle of casting. So far, we have Steve Carell lined up as seeker Steve, and Alan Rickman is seriously considering the part of seeker Xeno. Since finishing up the Harry Potter series, Rickman is sort of strapped for cash so I think we'll get him. Oh, and Alicia Keyes is onboard with her version of Songbird as the movie's love theme. We should have moved more quickly on Jennifer Lawrence as seeker Share but then she had to go and win the Best Actress Oscar so it's highly doubtful that she'll sign with us now...a couple of heads rolled for dragging their feet on that one! We might have to settle for Dolly Parton, unless you know someone we could approach who is within our ten mil budget. And who are we going to get to play me? I've been so busy writing the screenplay that I haven't given it another thought. I guess if push comes to shove, I could always play myself. And of course, His Holiness Raviji will want to play himself when He makes a brief cameo to zap seekers Share and Steve with His Holy and Benign Darshan near the end of the movie. Let's move slowly on this as I don't want to unduly alarm Him as He has grown to depend on me as His self-appointed door lackey, and I've grown to depend on the substantial take at the door for the
[FairfieldLife] Re: HBO's Phil Spector
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: Heads up for those with HBO (as well as the eye patch folks) that Phil Spector starring Al Pacino as Spector and Helen Mirren debuts tonight. It's a movie not a series. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1745862/ I skimmed one review that suggested that Al Pacino sucked worse in this than he did in You Don't Know Jack. That would be quite an achievement, so I'm not going to go out of my way for this one. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret of the Mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/24/2013 11:40 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: [...] I don't know about all that. The book's title was derived from that fact that when its author became an initiator on the Beatles' TTC, MMY was giving out only one mantra. But that's not the most interesting part of the book. There was some interesting stuff about Charlie Lutes vs. The Beatles, and other stuff I hadn't known. That sounds a bit odd as 10+ years before that, MMY was saying that we use the mantras [plural] to fetch the grace of the gods [plural]. Odd that he would only use one mantra 10 years later. L He was speaking about mantras in general. There are a many, many mantras and they are used for different things. Giving one mantra for meditation would not be unusual. For the masses you generally give a shanti or shiva mantra for meditation. Even with those two groups there are many to choose from. Well, yes, but presumably he was talking about TM way back then (Beeaon Light of the HImalayas) and the text seemed to imply he was giving out more than one mantra in the late 50's in India. L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: Was a good lecture. Extremely well spoken story of his [LB's] lifetime with FF and TM and his really nice resolution. Looked at as a FF communitarian it was proly unfortunate that it was heard by only a small subset of the larger community. Nothing was said that could not have been heard by and been helpful to a lot more people. I probably would have enjoyed it, and I hope it was recorded. But, with my life so completely focused on Vedic purity, I was in bed by 9pm and unable to attend. Yeah, funny thing is that it was proactive women in the larger FF community that managed getting it video recorded. Fairfield Sociology, Still running in to people afterwards, men and women, who would have liked to have heard LB Shriver talk to the community the other night except that it was a thing by these men. It's an interesting thing about the sociology of Fairfield. Surveying and asking about this the common reaction to get from ru's of all the various types when asked if they wanted to or went to hear LB (both men and women) is, why did they make the meeting for men only? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann awoelflebater@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seekliberation seekliberation@ wrote: ahhh, the whole sterling men's group cult that started back in the 90's. I remember that whole thing (I think it's still going). I ended up going to the 'weekend seminar' that is the basis of the whole group. It's actually valuable if you've been raised like a modern american male (irresponsible, immature, unable to transition from boyhood to manhood, etc...). The whole weekend is about a lot of things, but primarily what I got out of it is a view of how weak and pathetic men are becoming decade after decade in America. It was a kind of eye-opening experience for me, and i'm thankful for it. Othwerwise, I do believe I would've continued in life with a lot of perpetual abandonment of responsibility and growth that is often justified by modern American males to avoid altogether. However, the whole sterling men's group turned into a 'cult within a cult'. Not only were the men from Fairfield mostly meditators, but now they're a part of another new 'paradigm-shifting' group. I found that a lot of the men in that group were doing a lot of superficial things that were just NOT a part of their character. It was usually to display some masculinity or manliness. There were so many of them that would all of a sudden try acting tough, though they never were tough their entire life. The intensity of their recruiting efforts was borderline psychotic. I honestly believe that only a sociopath could remain in that group without any serious conflict with others. Many men who were part of it eventually drifted away due to the same perceptions that I had of it. However, we all agreed it (the weekend seminar) changed our lives for the better. The funny part about it is that eventually the Head Honcho of all nationwide Sterling groups (Justin Sterling) made an executive decision to disband the group from Fairfield from being an official representation of the 'Sterling Men's Group'. I'm not sure why, but I think that the leader of the whole gig felt that something was seriously wrong with the men's group from Fairfield in comparison to other groups in the rest of the nation. He was probably right. A lot of these men were fanatics about TM, or some other form of spirituality or new-agism. And if you take someone like that and latch them onto another belief system, it's like the fanatacism goes through the roof. All that being said, I do agree that the weekend has changed some people's lives, but I would strongly recommend avoiding the group activities that come afterward (unless you really enjoy it). It was a major pain in the ass when I announced to the group that I didn't want anything to do with them anymore. It's worse than trying to tell a military recruiter that you changed your mind ..literally. seekliberation Dear Seek, Thanks, good post chronicling historic late 20th Century Fairfield sociology. Good insight. Yeah, Richard in an earlier post had a good observation about this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams wrote: According to Lifton, cults are a form of 'totalism' and coercive 'thought reform'. evidently it still is alive in Fairfield. Fairfield is a veritable breeding ground for these kinds of things. What is
[FairfieldLife] mdixon.6...@yahoo.com has sent you a video on Ooyala
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[FairfieldLife] Steve Jobs: A Genius Who Discovered His Intuition in India
Steve Jobs A Genius Who Discovered His Intuition in India When different cultures meet, a creative spark emerges, ready to be captured by those flexible enough to bring together the best of two worlds, geniuses like Steve Jobs, Apple's founder who passed away in 2011. Though Jobs was loosely affiliated with Zen Buddhism later in life, Hinduism and India were fundamental in forging his views of the world. A nonconformist influenced by the romantic 1960s, wearing long hair, Jobs' dream was to visit India, inspired by his friend Robert Friedland who had just studied with Neem Karoli Baba. Arriving in Delhi in April 1974, he fell sick for days. After recovering Jobs headed to Haridwar, where a Kumbha Mela took him by surprise: There were holy men all around, people riding elephants, you name it. But when Jobs arrived at Neem Karoli Baba's ashram, the guru had just passed away. Jobs stayed in a room, sleeping on the floor, where he found a forgotten copy of Paramhansa Yogananda's Autobiography of a Yogi--a book he would reread every year, the only one Jobs ever downloaded to his iPad 2. Having missed the chance to see Neem Karoli Baba, Steve wandered. A peculiar incident, perhaps an initiation, marked his trip: I was walking around in the Himalayas and I stumbled onto this religious festival. There was a baba who was the holy man of this particular festival, with his large group of followers. I could smell good food. I hadn't been fortunate enough to smell good food for a long time, so I wandered up to pay my respects and eat some lunch. For some reason, this baba, upon seeing me sitting there eating, immediately walked over to me, sat down and burst out laughing. He didn't speak much English and I spoke a little Hindi, but he tried to carry on a conversation. Then he grabbed my arm and took me up this mountain trail. Here were hundreds of Indians who had traveled for thousands of miles to hang out with this guy for ten seconds and I stumble in for something to eat and he's dragging me up this mountain path. He laughed and laughed. We get to the top of this mountain and there's this little well and pond at the top of this mountain up in the Himalayas, and he dunks my head in the water and pulls out a razor from his pocket and starts to shave my head. I'm completely stunned. I'm still not sure why he did it. Steve discovered intuition in India. The most important thing that had struck me was that Western rational thought is not an innate human characteristic. The people in the Indian countryside don't use their intellect like we do, they use their intuition instead, and their intuition is far more developed than in the rest of the world. Intuition is a very powerful thing, more powerful than intellect, in my opinion. That's had a big impact on my work, Jobs later recalled to his biographer. If you just sit and observe, you will see how restless your mind is. But over time it does calm, and when it does, there's room to hear more subtle things--that's when your intuition starts to blossom, he said. After returning from India, Jobs and his friend Steve Wozniak founded Apple computer in his parents' garage. From there on, he changed the world. Steve had two pictures of Neem Karoli Baba in his room when he died, 35 years after his India trip. His sister Mona Simpson wrote of his last conscious moments: Before embarking, Steve looked at his sister Patty, then for a long time at his children, then at his life's partner, Laurene, and then over their shoulders past them. Then he spoke his final words: OH WOW. OH WOW. OH WOW. (source: Hinduism Today Vol Apr/May/June 2012.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret of the Mantras
On 03/24/2013 12:41 PM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/24/2013 11:40 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: [...] I don't know about all that. The book's title was derived from that fact that when its author became an initiator on the Beatles' TTC, MMY was giving out only one mantra. But that's not the most interesting part of the book. There was some interesting stuff about Charlie Lutes vs. The Beatles, and other stuff I hadn't known. That sounds a bit odd as 10+ years before that, MMY was saying that we use the mantras [plural] to fetch the grace of the gods [plural]. Odd that he would only use one mantra 10 years later. L He was speaking about mantras in general. There are a many, many mantras and they are used for different things. Giving one mantra for meditation would not be unusual. For the masses you generally give a shanti or shiva mantra for meditation. Even with those two groups there are many to choose from. Well, yes, but presumably he was talking about TM way back then (Beeaon Light of the HImalayas) and the text seemed to imply he was giving out more than one mantra in the late 50's in India. L That indeed would be presumptuous. :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] This thread has been re-subjected
dear noozguru, I have started many a new thread. And you know what? No one reads them! Or at least if they do, they don't respond to them. Ok, maybe they're not that interesting. But how am I to know? Obviously I think they're interesting. Well, most of the time. Anyway, so that's it for me and creating new threads. But thanks for the heads up and I love your quip about Funny Farm Lounge. Makes me smile every time (-: From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] This thread has been re-subjected On 03/24/2013 10:01 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Could you re-subject the subject thread when you take a turn and drive off? It should be helpful to the reading public here... Ann: This happens all the time, in every single subject thread... So, who would you believe? A very large group of people standing on the corner, who all said that they saw a 'big blue bus' just go by. Or, Another, very small group of people, standing on the same street corner, who all said that 'no big blue bus' came by. Go figure. As we know FFL'ers are too lazy to just start a new thread or topic so they just hijack a current one sometimes changing the subject line. They don't seem to know that the new topic is going to be way inside another one. Of course thread hijacking is poor netiquette but only on FFL would raising the issue create hackles. See it really is the Funny Farm Lounge.
[FairfieldLife] Re: This thread has been re-subjected to Bhairitu.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/24/2013 10:01 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Could you re-subject the subject thread when you take a turn and drive off? It should be helpful to the reading public here... Ann: This happens all the time, in every single subject thread... So, who would you believe? A very large group of people standing on the corner, who all said that they saw a 'big blue bus' just go by. Or, Another, very small group of people, standing on the same street corner, who all said that 'no big blue bus' came by. Go figure. As we know FFL'ers are too lazy to just start a new thread or topic so they just hijack a current one sometimes changing the subject line. They don't seem to know that the new topic is going to be way inside another one. Of course thread hijacking is poor netiquette but only on FFL would raising the issue create hackles. See it really is the Funny Farm Lounge. It annoys me when people retitle a thread to get a message to just one person.
[FairfieldLife] We're Number 3! We're Number 3!.....wait....um......
http://www.cracked.com/article_20312_5-insane-private-schools-you-wont-believe-actually-exist.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: This thread has been re-subjected to Bhairitu.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: As we know FFL'ers are too lazy to just start a new thread or topic so they just hijack a current one sometimes changing the subject line. They don't seem to know that the new topic is going to be way inside another one. Of course thread hijacking is poor netiquette but only on FFL would raising the issue create hackles. See it really is the Funny Farm Lounge. It annoys me when people retitle a thread to get a message to just one person. It's dumb, with a capital 'D,' and marks those who do it as newbies with no sense of netiquette and no knowledge of how things work on the Internet. I think it started with Robin, who falls into both those categories. People who do this have no concept of threads and what they're for, OR that they're on a group that invites chat *as* a group. If you want to send a message to a single person, as Bhairitu says, DON'T RENAME THE THREAD, START A NEW ONE. Brand new. Because of the braindead way that Yahoo handles threads, that's what one should do to be true to decades of netiquette among people who understand how things work. Some people read FFL threaded, meaning that they're not reading the posts in the order they were posted, or by title, but in the sequence that they fall within a thread. If you rename the Subject line of a post, IT STAYS IN THE SAME THREAD and messes all these people up. They wind up having to read some garbage that has nothing to do with the original thread. This is far from the only way in which reading FFL is like dealing with kindergarteners, but it's certainly one of the most annoying.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: First of all Lawson, I really appreciate the dialogue we are having. Don't think that I want to dump TM. I think it is a very good technique to start meditation, and I think that at a later stage it is up to everybody to either continue to advance with TM or with something else. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: [...] [...] Well with TM, if you REALLY are in samadhi (pure consciousness), you can't note it until such time as some degree of waking state consciousness reassumes, and by then, you are no longer in the pure state. And this is something that raises question marks for me. How could you say that you experience pure consciousness, when you 'notice' it only afterwards? Does it mean you are not conscious during the experience, or does it mean you are unable to press a button while you are in? Sigh... MMY and just about everyone else describes pure consciousness as the situation where the ripples in the lake have completely faded away, leaving the water of the lake perfectly still, etc. Using that analogy, where does your confusion come from? Noting the lake [the mind] is still requires a ripple associated with noting the lake in the first place. Deciding to a button requires a ripple associated with decision-making. Pressing the button requires a ripple associated with voluntary motion. Etc. Sigh .. You misrepresent what I am saying. I presented an alternative between deciding to press a button and doing it (as an activity), and simply being AWARE of PC - not as thought: I am in PC - but nevertheless being fully aware, and not only knowing it, when it is past.. Not being aware would be antithetical to PC.. more akin to sleep, or a nap. By the time you press the button, a little of ripples have arisen to support the activity of that button-press. What kind of 'purity' is this, when it is *lost* so easily? So whole model of having pure consciousness, as an overlay over normal activity, and also the normally active mind, rests on the assertion, that the purity of PC doesn't get lost, right? What kind of purity is it that it is lost so easily? Gee, using any and all physical analogies that I can think of.. Adding 1 percent non-salt makes the salt less than pure. The mistake IMHO is that you define PC as a state. In another definition, equally given by TM, it is defined as a state of being underlying all states. To say it with the example Share gave: the colorless sap is still colorless even in the thorn. You are starting with a definition of PC that is too limited, and could equally apply to a nap, no Mantra, no thought. Having a few overtones in a sound makes the sound more complicated. Within the model of how regular practice of TM alternated with activity, which I guess is what you are really asking about, the fact is, ANY kind of mental activity is less pure than pure consciousness but theory AND research suggests that repeatedly practicing TM, so that the nervous system starts to at least approach the pattern found during pure consciousness, alternated with regular activity, starts to create a situation where the EEG pattern found during pure consciousness shows up more and more outside of TM practice. This isn't some special thing. It is called Hebbian Learning and in its simplest form, has been used as an explanation for how the brain works since the 1940's. when a nerve cell fires close to another nerve cell, the second nerve cell starts to become associated with the first nerve cell so that it becomes more likely to fire when the first one fires. When a pattern of firing is established throughout the brain, and is repeated often enough during meditation, that pattern of firing starts to show up more and more outside of meditation. Non-TM techniques tend to show a pattern of behavior associated with paying attention to things, concepts, emotions, perceptions, etc. TM shows a pattern associated with simple relaxation. But simple relaxation is not PC. It has nothing to do with it. It turns out that in the very earliest days of EEG study, where the only brain wave pattern known was alpha (the types of brain wave patterns were named in order of discovery, by the way), it was found that simply closing the eyes, even in a dark room, would raise the alpha EEG associated with resting. Flashforward to the early 2000's, and scientists started to realize that simple rest wasn't all that simple. They noted that certain parts of the brain became MORE active during rest and the term, default mode network was coined. In time, the DMN was taken to be how the brain operates while in self-referral mode. It turns out that any and all meditation techniques tend
[FairfieldLife] Re: ques to navashok was Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: hi navashok, yes we can be friends except just how bad to I have to be to be your friend? Well, Share, being BAD is an intrinsic state of beingness that cannot really be described by simple words. You have to be bad yourself to even understand it and detect it in others. It's like the ego, unless you have an ego yourself, you will not know what it is. But once you have an ego, or even a strong ego, it is easy to detect other it in others, by the friction created when you discover it. Anyway, thanks for your insights. They're helpful. And I appreciate you're being patient with me about this. Online relating is its own beast and I'm still taming it ha ha. Or probably more likely it's taming me. Now, what about this thread name thing? How do you feel about my putting to navashok in Subject line for example? I tend to agree with Barry and Bhairitu. The main problem though is the thread view in Yahoo sucks big time. There is no way around this really. It leads to a LOT of unpleasant effects, for example people address what they see in message view first, which are usually the latest posts, and people who don't snip away extensive from their posts, that make it hard to read, since the actual context in which a post appears gets lost. It's probably better, when you want to call someone, to just start a new thread with his name.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret of the Mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 03/24/2013 11:40 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: [...] I don't know about all that. The book's title was derived from that fact that when its author became an initiator on the Beatles' TTC, MMY was giving out only one mantra. But that's not the most interesting part of the book. There was some interesting stuff about Charlie Lutes vs. The Beatles, and other stuff I hadn't known. That sounds a bit odd as 10+ years before that, MMY was saying that we use the mantras [plural] to fetch the grace of the gods [plural]. Odd that he would only use one mantra 10 years later. L He was speaking about mantras in general. There are a many, many mantras and they are used for different things. Giving one mantra for meditation would not be unusual. For the masses you generally give a shanti or shiva mantra for meditation. Even with those two groups there are many to choose from. Well, yes, but presumably he was talking about TM way back then (Beeaon Light of the HImalayas) and the text seemed to imply he was giving out more than one mantra in the late 50's in India. Lawson, in India, to this very day, TM is taught differently than in the west. In India people would receive their mantra according to their family deity, Ishta Deva. Since there are many family deities, different mantras where given, even back in 1955. But when Maharishi decided to travel to the west, he had to come up with something different. As he said himself, there was a lot of simplification. People asked him later, and he said: What should we have told them? To meditate on Vishnu? Obviously, trying to keep TM away from religion was a fundamental decision he made. So he gave everybody a mantra that he thought was fairly universal. The word RAAM has a certain universal touch in India. In the middle ages it was even used by some Muslims, Kabir, himself a muslim used it. It is also used as a greeting formula, similar to namaste, as in Ramram. Obviously Guru Dev himself had said that women should substitute OM with Shri. But at a certain time, towards the end of the 60s, when he found that newspapers were writing about the mantras in Norway, when there was a public discussion going on, that in fact people all shared the same mantra, he obviously changed his tactics, and he came up with the set of tantric mantras as we know them today. The distribution formula stayed very simple though. The new system was only uncovered, when TM teachers disclosed it, somewhere in the middle to end 70s, but then mainly through books, which weren't so widely spread.
[FairfieldLife] Re: We're Number 3! We're Number 3!.....wait....um......
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@... wrote: http://www.cracked.com/article_20312_5-insane-private-schools-you-wont-believe-actually-exist.html Actually, the number one, Walldorf schools, are very popular in Germany. They have a similar reputation like, lets say Montessori schools.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Secret of the Mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: On 03/24/2013 11:40 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: [...] I don't know about all that. The book's title was derived from that fact that when its author became an initiator on the Beatles' TTC, MMY was giving out only one mantra. But that's not the most interesting part of the book. There was some interesting stuff about Charlie Lutes vs. The Beatles, and other stuff I hadn't known. That sounds a bit odd as 10+ years before that, MMY was saying that we use the mantras [plural] to fetch the grace of the gods [plural]. Odd that he would only use one mantra 10 years later. L He was speaking about mantras in general. There are a many, many mantras and they are used for different things. Giving one mantra for meditation would not be unusual. For the masses you generally give a shanti or shiva mantra for meditation. Even with those two groups there are many to choose from. Well, yes, but presumably he was talking about TM way back then (Beeaon Light of the HImalayas) and the text seemed to imply he was giving out more than one mantra in the late 50's in India. Lawson, in India, to this very day, TM is taught differently than in the west. In India people would receive their mantra according to their family deity, Ishta Deva. Since there are many family deities, different mantras where given, even back in 1955. But when Maharishi decided to travel to the west, he had to come up with something different. As he said himself, there was a lot of simplification. People asked him later, and he said: What should we have told them? To meditate on Vishnu? Obviously, trying to keep TM away from religion was a fundamental decision he made. So he gave everybody a mantra that he thought was fairly universal. The word RAAM has a certain universal touch in India. In the middle ages it was even used by some Muslims, Kabir, himself a muslim used it. It is also used as a greeting formula, similar to namaste, as in Ramram. Obviously Guru Dev himself had said that women should substitute OM with Shri. And lo and behold, in Finnish, the Bible is called RAAMATTU, from the Greek 'grammata'.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
Not this, not this. No neti, neti is Shankaras method of discerning Brahman, it has nothing to do with defining Samadhi. Not this, not that is finding Brahman by exclusion, and really says that there is no method. Shankara explicitly says, that no mantra can bring you to Brahman. So you are confusing terms. Neti, Neti is in fact an intellectual method of negating everything, and reaching Brahman by exclusion. Wiki: AST: tattvamasyaadivaakyena svaatmaa hi pratipaaditaH / neti neti shrutirbruuyaadanRtaM paañcabhautikam //25// [Attempt at sandhi-vigraha by card: tat tvam asi; aadi-vaakyena svaatmaa hi pratipaaditaH / neti neti shrutiH; bruuyaat; anRtam*; paañca-bhautikam //25//] By such sentences as That thou art, our own Self is affirmed. Of that which is untrue and composed of the five elements - the Sruti (scripture) says, Not this, not this. * please don't confuse these: an-Rtam = not-true (R = *vocalic*[1] r-sound; that's why 'an-', not 'a-') a-mRtam = immortal 1. Can form a syllable by itself: R-Si (rishi), R-gve-da (rigveda)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Still the best commentary ever on the Man's Movement (or at least one aspect of it), as delivered by Tom Cruise (hey, I know you don't like him, but he *has* done good work, and he was nominated for an Oscar for this performance, possibly for doing little more than acting like the asshole he is in real life), in Magnolia. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n2IVF9a2IA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCEYxs7kWmQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-q__knBahs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-q__knBahs Know nothing about the movie, but this was some funny stuff.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: A professor at MUM once explained that as one progresses, especially from CC to GC, what happens can be described as the depth coming up to the surface of life. So we might not feel deep, even during TM. And we shouldn't TRY to feel deep. Deep is only a word. A concept. Deep also is used in deep sleep. I sometimes say, that I am very high up. But you are right. In a similar way it seems, with the TMSP, we more and more experience a mix of silence and liveliness together. So I extrapolate from that that it's counter productive to try and experience PURE silence. You can't try anyway. One has to remember that all these descriptions are concepts, and unless we let go of the concepts, we can't really get there. Here from the Ribhu Gita: All is a built-up structure of words and meanings. The apprehension of all worlds does not exist. All holy waters are, indeed, unreal. All temples of gods, too, are unreal. All being only Consciousness, the name all never is. Renouncing all forms, be of the certitude that all is Brahman. All is Brahman; that is the Truth. The phenomenal world and prakriti (manifestation), verily do not exist. Renounce the remembrance of prakriti and resort to the remembrance of Brahman. Then, renouncing even that, be firm in your own nature. Renouncing further this established nature, remain only as the Self. Renouncing the renunciation even, ever leave off the idea of any difference. Surrounding yourself yourself, abide in yourself yourself. What the finger points out as this is a deceased thought; this is only of words and speech. All is supposition. There is no doubt of this. All is unreal. There is no uncertainty of this. All is insignificant. There is no doubt of this. All is delusion. There is no doubt of this. (Rib.G 18, 24-30) From: navashok no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is it possible for 'aware-ness' to be an object?  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: It turns out that the EEG pattern of long-term TMers during TM remains the same as the EEG pattern found in short-term TMers: it's simple relaxation, no matter how long you have been doing it. Pure Consciousness is just the same pattern in its most extreme form. In every other meditation technique with published research, you see a shift away from simple relaxation towards something different, as you become more experienced. In other words, I wouldn't trust the words of a non-TM teacher with regards to your TM practice. They literally don't understand where you are at and can only attempt to transform your practice into their practice. Ahem. Isn't another way of interpreting your first two paragraphs that there is no *progress* in TM? *You* are the one interpreting simple relaxation (which never gets deeper or more profound) with Pure Consciousness. I doubt that scientists would. No progress in the technique... It is easy to start and easy to do and that doesn't change. What DOES change is how closely the state outside of TM comes to resemble the state during TM. But that's not all that is supposed to change. The quality of experience is supposed to change as well *during* meditation - as stress is released. Think of the snowplough analogy - as resistances (stresses) are being removed, the way gets more clear, and the experience of transcendence will be clearer and more prolonged. And for advanced techniques - you will go into transcendence more slowly, so that you are more conscious of the process. The diving angle changes, how is that reflected in your theory? That, being more conscious of the 'transcending' (I still put it in bracelets as it is really a concept - transcendence is all pervading and cannot be isolated, especially if you want to experience it consciously.) So this process of being more conscious in the transcending process, whatever it is, has to be reflected in EEG, for all what it's worth. Initial transcendence is not clear transcendence, it is just a hazy slipping into it and out of it. We know it, as teachers, but it's not what you say to people. As for not trusing non-TM teachers, I can say that TM teachers don't know diddleysquat except the stuff they were given to memorize and parrot. That's fine, as far as it goes, but it really doesn't go very deep, or have any relevance to the larger field of meditation. They know a little about one tiny technique, and nothing about any of the others. They are actually
[FairfieldLife] Chief Seattle's speech of 1854
Chief Seattle says that the white people's God is not the same Great Spirit God. [an astute observation!] ... http://www.halcyon.com/arborhts/chiefsea.html
[FairfieldLife] The Thunder: Perfect Mind
Could be the dual opposite of neti, neti,... incorporated into the Brahman concept of all-inclusiveness.: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/maps/primary/thunder.html
[FairfieldLife] Hog Swat
Guided hog hunting in Southwest Georgia, featured on CNN. The Hog Swat CEO makes a case for AR-15's and high capacity mags since this is the most appropriate firearm system for killing the hogs which account for huge dollar losses in crops. http://hogswat.com/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: snip The only thing unique about you is your lack of self awareness. But then, of course you know that. So continue with your falsehoods and trickery and know that most of us have your number, except for your girlfriend, Curtis. So let just understand how you are intending this as an insult to me Jim. Are you implying that Barry and I have a gay relationship and that this would somehow be an insult because of your negative views of gay people? **I don't have any negative views of gay people, though I have sometimes had negative views of people that happened to be gay. My best friend for 32 years was gay, and died of AIDS. He was also my younger brother, RIP. So, fuck you, on assumption #1. Me: You have claimed this before and have used it as if it might give you a pass on some very nasty gender based and gay insults. You only mention him in this context, and include very hostile curses when you invoke him as your defense. Like your claim of enlightenment, there is a very large disconnect between your claim and your behavior. If it is actually true it only doubles the idiocy of using sex and gay references in your putdowns for people who disagree with you or who you don't like. It is a common theme for your tantrums here, the use of images of homosexual references as if that is an insult to another man. It is a consistent theme of how you characterize how Barry and I relate to each other. I am against that kind of insult. Your get out of homophobia-charge free card has expired. Stop making gay and gender based insults. Or are you saying that I am a female and therefor worthy of contempt because I am really an inferior woman rather than a man? **My wife, daughter, and sister-in-law could *easily*, each separately, kick your ass. Turn you into meat. #2 goes down in flames too. So your proof of your lack of gender issues is to create a violent imaginary scenario where your wife or daughter would engage in a physical altercation with a man. Yeah, that was very convincing. You don't add up dude. **Hm...course correction time, Ethel?? In your anger you always reveal your hidden cards Jim. You are a very unpleasant person underneath the I am enlightened, no really , I am really enlightened, no really I am rap. Message number one, Ethel: Enlightened people can be very unpleasant to fools (like you). My reference was to Fred and Ethel, you and Barry. I just quickly painted the picture, which still draws a chuckle from me. Read anything at all into it. Then own it, and act on your assumptions. After that, you will truly know the difference between experience and beliefs. Or given your's and Fred's track record, probably not. :-) PS Fred called me a meanie. Ain't that a hoot?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. That's not quite correct. Robin struck me from Day One as someone so uninteresting that I couldn't force myself to plow through his bloviated language. He still does. I clicked on this post of his by hitting Next on the previous one, read no more than the first 10 words and realized who it was from the shitty writing, and only then looked up at the top to confirm the sender. At that point, I hit Next again. I do not and will not apologize for this. Life's too short to waste on pissants, especially wordy ones. :-) So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. This is more correct, although to be accurate, I would say, a person he barely acknowledges the existence of. :-) BTW, I *expected* him to make a reappearance about now. The combination of you being present and his primary devotee and groupie not being present this week was too tempting for him to resist. :-)
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Alex will enjoy this
On 03/23/2013 09:44 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Since I run Linux and Ubuntu I decided that I'd better update to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Long Term Support) before the month runs out because support for 10.04 which I currently run will end. So I click on the upgrade and it looked like everything went smooth. Rebooted and got a screen saying the system couldn't find the boot partition. Argh! So since I have another computer in the room I ran it to search for answers. Most of the problems had to do with old software and dependencies for those. This was not going to be an easy fix. What had happened is that the upgrade didn't actually complete though it acted like it did. So I gave up BUT of course I had made an image backup of the 10.04 boot partition with Clonezilla and copied it back. Reboot and back to 10.04. This afternoon I'll try again this time uninstalling the one particular program that was the culprit before running the upgrade. Before Winders users feel smug I've seen similar problems doing Winders upgrades. And before someone recommends Linux Mint which I run off of pen drives on other computers I would love to do that but apparently the Android emulators only can run in GPU mode on Ubuntu and I need that for testing super high density devices like 5 phones with 1080x1920 displays. Well that was fun (NOT!) Decided that Ubuntu's Unity interface is not for professional software developers so reinstalled 10.04 again. In the process noticed that the support for 10.04 may have been extended to 2015 probably because a lot of Ubuntu users HATE the unity GUI. It is hard to know until you actually are trying to use your everyday tools whether or not a new GUI is going to work for you until you actually try it. Just doing the Live CD didn't tell me much.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Alex will enjoy this
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/23/2013 09:44 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Since I run Linux and Ubuntu I decided that I'd better update to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Long Term Support) before the month runs out because support for 10.04 which I currently run will end. So I click on the upgrade and it looked like everything went smooth. Rebooted and got a screen saying the system couldn't find the boot partition. Argh! So since I have another computer in the room I ran it to search for answers. Most of the problems had to do with old software and dependencies for those. This was not going to be an easy fix. What had happened is that the upgrade didn't actually complete though it acted like it did. So I gave up BUT of course I had made an image backup of the 10.04 boot partition with Clonezilla and copied it back. Reboot and back to 10.04. This afternoon I'll try again this time uninstalling the one particular program that was the culprit before running the upgrade. Before Winders users feel smug I've seen similar problems doing Winders upgrades. And before someone recommends Linux Mint which I run off of pen drives on other computers I would love to do that but apparently the Android emulators only can run in GPU mode on Ubuntu and I need that for testing super high density devices like 5 phones with 1080x1920 displays. Well that was fun (NOT!) Decided that Ubuntu's Unity interface is not for professional software developers so reinstalled 10.04 again. In the process noticed that the support for 10.04 may have been extended to 2015 probably because a lot of Ubuntu users HATE the unity GUI. It is hard to know until you actually are trying to use your everyday tools whether or not a new GUI is going to work for you until you actually try it. Just doing the Live CD didn't tell me much. Sounds like Ubuntu released the Windows 8 of Linux.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Alex will enjoy this
On 03/24/2013 05:54 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@... wrote: On 03/23/2013 09:44 AM, Bhairitu wrote: Since I run Linux and Ubuntu I decided that I'd better update to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS (Long Term Support) before the month runs out because support for 10.04 which I currently run will end. So I click on the upgrade and it looked like everything went smooth. Rebooted and got a screen saying the system couldn't find the boot partition. Argh! So since I have another computer in the room I ran it to search for answers. Most of the problems had to do with old software and dependencies for those. This was not going to be an easy fix. What had happened is that the upgrade didn't actually complete though it acted like it did. So I gave up BUT of course I had made an image backup of the 10.04 boot partition with Clonezilla and copied it back. Reboot and back to 10.04. This afternoon I'll try again this time uninstalling the one particular program that was the culprit before running the upgrade. Before Winders users feel smug I've seen similar problems doing Winders upgrades. And before someone recommends Linux Mint which I run off of pen drives on other computers I would love to do that but apparently the Android emulators only can run in GPU mode on Ubuntu and I need that for testing super high density devices like 5 phones with 1080x1920 displays. Well that was fun (NOT!) Decided that Ubuntu's Unity interface is not for professional software developers so reinstalled 10.04 again. In the process noticed that the support for 10.04 may have been extended to 2015 probably because a lot of Ubuntu users HATE the unity GUI. It is hard to know until you actually are trying to use your everyday tools whether or not a new GUI is going to work for you until you actually try it. Just doing the Live CD didn't tell me much. Sounds like Ubuntu released the Windows 8 of Linux. People have called it Ubuntu's Vista. It is so dumb it reminded me of Microsoft's Bob. :-D
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
My, my, so *bitchy* again, today, Ethel! Bitch, bitch, bitch. No kiss-kiss and make up? I am sorry you and Fred had a fight, but that's really not *my* problem. Now, please clutch your self-righteousness ever closer to your man boobs, and go suck an ice cream cone. You'll feel better. Love, Your Doctor Dumbass --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: snip The only thing unique about you is your lack of self awareness. But then, of course you know that. So continue with your falsehoods and trickery and know that most of us have your number, except for your girlfriend, Curtis. So let just understand how you are intending this as an insult to me Jim. Are you implying that Barry and I have a gay relationship and that this would somehow be an insult because of your negative views of gay people? **I don't have any negative views of gay people, though I have sometimes had negative views of people that happened to be gay. My best friend for 32 years was gay, and died of AIDS. He was also my younger brother, RIP. So, fuck you, on assumption #1. Me: You have claimed this before and have used it as if it might give you a pass on some very nasty gender based and gay insults. You only mention him in this context, and include very hostile curses when you invoke him as your defense. Like your claim of enlightenment, there is a very large disconnect between your claim and your behavior. If it is actually true it only doubles the idiocy of using sex and gay references in your putdowns for people who disagree with you or who you don't like. It is a common theme for your tantrums here, the use of images of homosexual references as if that is an insult to another man. It is a consistent theme of how you characterize how Barry and I relate to each other. I am against that kind of insult. Your get out of homophobia-charge free card has expired. Stop making gay and gender based insults. Or are you saying that I am a female and therefor worthy of contempt because I am really an inferior woman rather than a man? **My wife, daughter, and sister-in-law could *easily*, each separately, kick your ass. Turn you into meat. #2 goes down in flames too. So your proof of your lack of gender issues is to create a violent imaginary scenario where your wife or daughter would engage in a physical altercation with a man. Yeah, that was very convincing. You don't add up dude. **Hm...course correction time, Ethel?? In your anger you always reveal your hidden cards Jim. You are a very unpleasant person underneath the I am enlightened, no really , I am really enlightened, no really I am rap. Message number one, Ethel: Enlightened people can be very unpleasant to fools (like you). My reference was to Fred and Ethel, you and Barry. I just quickly painted the picture, which still draws a chuckle from me. Read anything at all into it. Then own it, and act on your assumptions. After that, you will truly know the difference between experience and beliefs. Or given your's and Fred's track record, probably not. :-) PS Fred called me a meanie. Ain't that a hoot?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. That's not quite correct. Robin struck me from Day One as someone so uninteresting that I couldn't force myself to plow through his bloviated language. He still does. I clicked on this post of his by hitting Next on the previous one, read no more than the first 10 words and realized who it was from the shitty writing, and only then looked up at the top to confirm the sender. At that point, I hit Next again. I do not and will not apologize for this. Life's too short to waste on pissants, especially wordy ones. :-) So you only see the version of Barry that applies to you, a person he does not respect. This is more correct, although to be accurate, I would say, a person he barely acknowledges the existence of. :-) BTW, I *expected* him to make a reappearance about now. The combination of you being present and his primary devotee and groupie not being present this week was too tempting for him to resist. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Curtis. since you are, like Barry, humor challenged when it is directed at you, once again I will clarify my take on the two of you: I don't know where you and your boyfriend get off on trying to lecture anybody, on anything, here on FFL. Him with his endless flogging of dead horses, and you always appearing sparkly and preachy, like a young republican debutante, or something. You both come across as a couple of square old biddies, about as cool as an old puddle, the neighborhood busy-bodies, ready to raise the alarm at the first sign of challenge. For that, I refer to you as a less than charming couple, and the image persists. Tea? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: My, my, so *bitchy* again, today, Ethel! Bitch, bitch, bitch. No kiss-kiss and make up? I am sorry you and Fred had a fight, but that's really not *my* problem. Now, please clutch your self-righteousness ever closer to your man boobs, and go suck an ice cream cone. You'll feel better. Love, Your Doctor Dumbass --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: snip The only thing unique about you is your lack of self awareness. But then, of course you know that. So continue with your falsehoods and trickery and know that most of us have your number, except for your girlfriend, Curtis. So let just understand how you are intending this as an insult to me Jim. Are you implying that Barry and I have a gay relationship and that this would somehow be an insult because of your negative views of gay people? **I don't have any negative views of gay people, though I have sometimes had negative views of people that happened to be gay. My best friend for 32 years was gay, and died of AIDS. He was also my younger brother, RIP. So, fuck you, on assumption #1. Me: You have claimed this before and have used it as if it might give you a pass on some very nasty gender based and gay insults. You only mention him in this context, and include very hostile curses when you invoke him as your defense. Like your claim of enlightenment, there is a very large disconnect between your claim and your behavior. If it is actually true it only doubles the idiocy of using sex and gay references in your putdowns for people who disagree with you or who you don't like. It is a common theme for your tantrums here, the use of images of homosexual references as if that is an insult to another man. It is a consistent theme of how you characterize how Barry and I relate to each other. I am against that kind of insult. Your get out of homophobia-charge free card has expired. Stop making gay and gender based insults. Or are you saying that I am a female and therefor worthy of contempt because I am really an inferior woman rather than a man? **My wife, daughter, and sister-in-law could *easily*, each separately, kick your ass. Turn you into meat. #2 goes down in flames too. So your proof of your lack of gender issues is to create a violent imaginary scenario where your wife or daughter would engage in a physical altercation with a man. Yeah, that was very convincing. You don't add up dude. **Hm...course correction time, Ethel?? In your anger you always reveal your hidden cards Jim. You are a very unpleasant person underneath the I am enlightened, no really , I am really enlightened, no really I am rap. Message number one, Ethel: Enlightened people can be very unpleasant to fools (like you). My reference was to Fred and Ethel, you and Barry. I just quickly painted the picture, which still draws a chuckle from me. Read anything at all into it. Then own it, and act on your assumptions. After that, you will truly know the difference between experience and beliefs. Or given your's and Fred's track record, probably not. :-) PS Fred called me a meanie. Ain't that a hoot?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. That's not quite correct. Robin struck me from Day One as someone so uninteresting that I couldn't force myself to plow through his bloviated language. He still does. I clicked on this post of his by hitting Next on the previous one, read no more than the first
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
You make me believe there is a God, Curtis. Your dishonesty is too profound to be addressed by anyone else. On my life I swear you are false in nearly all that you say here, Curtis. Knowingly so. Your inspiration for this, however, is paradoxically your sensitivity to truth. Truth is your muse to know how to be so immaculately deceitful. But this almost makes me religious. A truly unbelievable performance. You are masterful, Curtis. I am more interested now in what the death experience will be. I am inspired after this to take my life even more seriously. This is immensely significant. I just found the perfect sacrament. It's all good, then, Curtis. We will resolve this matter between us someday. I promise you this. Maybe there is a heaven after all. My faith has been strengthened by reading this. Thank you, dear Curtis. I feel as if I am praying now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: snip The only thing unique about you is your lack of self awareness. But then, of course you know that. So continue with your falsehoods and trickery and know that most of us have your number, except for your girlfriend, Curtis. So let just understand how you are intending this as an insult to me Jim. Are you implying that Barry and I have a gay relationship and that this would somehow be an insult because of your negative views of gay people? **I don't have any negative views of gay people, though I have sometimes had negative views of people that happened to be gay. My best friend for 32 years was gay, and died of AIDS. He was also my younger brother, RIP. So, fuck you, on assumption #1. Me: You have claimed this before and have used it as if it might give you a pass on some very nasty gender based and gay insults. You only mention him in this context, and include very hostile curses when you invoke him as your defense. Like your claim of enlightenment, there is a very large disconnect between your claim and your behavior. If it is actually true it only doubles the idiocy of using sex and gay references in your putdowns for people who disagree with you or who you don't like. It is a common theme for your tantrums here, the use of images of homosexual references as if that is an insult to another man. It is a consistent theme of how you characterize how Barry and I relate to each other. I am against that kind of insult. Your get out of homophobia-charge free card has expired. Stop making gay and gender based insults. Or are you saying that I am a female and therefor worthy of contempt because I am really an inferior woman rather than a man? **My wife, daughter, and sister-in-law could *easily*, each separately, kick your ass. Turn you into meat. #2 goes down in flames too. So your proof of your lack of gender issues is to create a violent imaginary scenario where your wife or daughter would engage in a physical altercation with a man. Yeah, that was very convincing. You don't add up dude. **Hm...course correction time, Ethel?? In your anger you always reveal your hidden cards Jim. You are a very unpleasant person underneath the I am enlightened, no really , I am really enlightened, no really I am rap. Message number one, Ethel: Enlightened people can be very unpleasant to fools (like you). My reference was to Fred and Ethel, you and Barry. I just quickly painted the picture, which still draws a chuckle from me. Read anything at all into it. Then own it, and act on your assumptions. After that, you will truly know the difference between experience and beliefs. Or given your's and Fred's track record, probably not. :-) PS Fred called me a meanie. Ain't that a hoot?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does not like. Sometimes this is people who attack him, but not always. He didn't like you right off. That's not quite correct. Robin struck me from Day One as someone so uninteresting that I couldn't force myself to plow through his bloviated language. He still does. I clicked on this post of his by hitting Next on the previous one, read no more than the first 10 words and realized who it was from the shitty writing, and only then looked up at the top to confirm the sender. At that point, I hit Next again. I do not and will not apologize for this. Life's too short to waste on pissants, especially
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
I gotta say Jim, as LG said previously, you've got a penchant for writing, but you seem stuck in petty feedback loop that sort of underscores what those in the other camp' have to say about you. Not that you care of course. It's a tiny audience here, but one could easily interpret it that you can't be bothered (or are able) to respond in a more substantive manner. Your choice. Much easier to say, so and so, is full of shit. Period, final, end of discussion. That is where I think you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Curtis. since you are, like Barry, humor challenged when it is directed at you, once again I will clarify my take on the two of you: I don't know where you and your boyfriend get off on trying to lecture anybody, on anything, here on FFL. Him with his endless flogging of dead horses, and you always appearing sparkly and preachy, like a young republican debutante, or something. You both come across as a couple of square old biddies, about as cool as an old puddle, the neighborhood busy-bodies, ready to raise the alarm at the first sign of challenge. For that, I refer to you as a less than charming couple, and the image persists. Tea? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: My, my, so *bitchy* again, today, Ethel! Bitch, bitch, bitch. No kiss-kiss and make up? I am sorry you and Fred had a fight, but that's really not *my* problem. Now, please clutch your self-righteousness ever closer to your man boobs, and go suck an ice cream cone. You'll feel better. Love, Your Doctor Dumbass --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: snip The only thing unique about you is your lack of self awareness. But then, of course you know that. So continue with your falsehoods and trickery and know that most of us have your number, except for your girlfriend, Curtis. So let just understand how you are intending this as an insult to me Jim. Are you implying that Barry and I have a gay relationship and that this would somehow be an insult because of your negative views of gay people? **I don't have any negative views of gay people, though I have sometimes had negative views of people that happened to be gay. My best friend for 32 years was gay, and died of AIDS. He was also my younger brother, RIP. So, fuck you, on assumption #1. Me: You have claimed this before and have used it as if it might give you a pass on some very nasty gender based and gay insults. You only mention him in this context, and include very hostile curses when you invoke him as your defense. Like your claim of enlightenment, there is a very large disconnect between your claim and your behavior. If it is actually true it only doubles the idiocy of using sex and gay references in your putdowns for people who disagree with you or who you don't like. It is a common theme for your tantrums here, the use of images of homosexual references as if that is an insult to another man. It is a consistent theme of how you characterize how Barry and I relate to each other. I am against that kind of insult. Your get out of homophobia-charge free card has expired. Stop making gay and gender based insults. Or are you saying that I am a female and therefor worthy of contempt because I am really an inferior woman rather than a man? **My wife, daughter, and sister-in-law could *easily*, each separately, kick your ass. Turn you into meat. #2 goes down in flames too. So your proof of your lack of gender issues is to create a violent imaginary scenario where your wife or daughter would engage in a physical altercation with a man. Yeah, that was very convincing. You don't add up dude. **Hm...course correction time, Ethel?? In your anger you always reveal your hidden cards Jim. You are a very unpleasant person underneath the I am enlightened, no really , I am really enlightened, no really I am rap. Message number one, Ethel: Enlightened people can be very unpleasant to fools (like you). My reference was to Fred and Ethel, you and Barry. I just quickly painted the picture, which still draws a chuckle from me. Read anything at all into it. Then own it, and act on your assumptions. After that, you will truly know the difference between experience and beliefs. Or given your's and Fred's track record, probably not. :-) PS Fred called me a meanie. Ain't that a hoot?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Your analysis might apply to people he does not like. He is not open to being vulnerable to people who he does
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: You should know that this guy is MMY's nephew. In India, due to their belief in reincarnation, nepotism is the norm and is usually celebrated as the proper way things get done. The first Prime Minister of India was named Jawaharlal Nehru. Coincidentally, Indira Ghandi was his granddaughter, and Rajiv Ghandi was his great-grandson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_India#Prime_Ministers The swami named in the will to succeed Gurudev was Gurudev's nephew, it turns out. Indians just assume that their relatives are the best person for the job because the cosmos chose them for it by causing them to be born as relatives of the person in power. That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for years. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is bogus and so on. It wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were true. It also wouldn't be surprising if some of the rumors were false. L. We've been hearing about Girish extorting kick-backs and such around pundits in the pundit program for some long time. I would not want to be the Westerners wading into figure out what is going on in the workings of the TM movement there. Sociopaths are not likely to put capable honorable people around them either. For as big as it is this is going to be extremely complicated for Tony and the board of trustees to manage. I'd really fear for their safety if and when they go over there to help straighten it out. You mean, that despite the huge piles of money Girish and family have stashed away, and living very well indeed, he felt the need to make a few dollars from kickbacks from pundits? And people in Fairfield know about this for a long time? Bevan and John H knew this and stood by? The Rajas? They all looked the other way? If that is true, then trouble is ahead, big trouble. So Buck, are people talking about this is Fairfield? What is the general feeling about this? About the TMO's future given this? Folks are only just finding out about this. Within the Fairfield meditating community, yes people are talking about this amongst themselves as they learn about it. In Fairfield there are different elements to the whole meditator community. Only a very few people actually have a place or participate at the upper level. Most meditators do not have much contact or much interaction with the organizational movement as such. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Susan wayback71@ wrote: [...] Given that perspective by people who knew him when, how did he come to run the hugely lucrative TMO India? And why didn't people speak up? (Maybe they did but we would never know). Why did the American Rajas over there put up with this crap all these years? Surely they must have seen and sensed that things were not right. Susan, you know our TM organization is not known for its transparent process. Everything is opaque but they do give us a lot to talk about. However, even with all the rackets the guy evidently had going in the end it was tax evasion that got Al Capone his hard time. [Old Proverb: When prominent people fail, their failure is more dramatic.] The Indian government will probably have something to say at some point about Girish as its depositions get going and the fourth estate it seems is already interested and ready to find out. We'll all know more in a while. -Buck --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: That said, I've heard the rumors of the nephews of MMY being bad people for years. Me too, as soon as the late 70ies. But those same rumors say that TM doesn't work, that all the research is bogus and so on. I heard those reports from people in the movement who had no doubts about TM, who were dedicated governors, some working in India, no anti TMers at all. I also saw him giving a talk to movement people late 80ies, it was all about money, he needed a special introduction, because people there, again no anti-TMers, were all repelled by him. Accusation doesn't mean he's guilty. You guys go on and on with rumors about how bad Maharishis' relatives were. Did you really know any of them? Did you see their homes or cars? I met Maharishi's relatives and they lived very
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@... wrote: Accusation doesn't mean he's guilty. You guys go on and on with rumors about how bad Maharishis' relatives were. Did you really know any of them? Did you see their homes or cars? I met Maharishi's relatives and they lived very modestly. They didn't have a car. Some of your rantings and rumor mongering is really disgusting. Lots of people with money get targeted. You all assume that Girish is guilty. As I said (yes I know you weren't responding directly to me, but I'm one of the guys in this thread), it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were true and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were false. I haven't seen anything new lately out of the Indian press II have access to through google, has anyone else? L
[FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 no_reply@ wrote: Accusation doesn't mean he's guilty. You guys go on and on with rumors about how bad Maharishis' relatives were. Did you really know any of them? Did you see their homes or cars? I met Maharishi's relatives and they lived very modestly. They didn't have a car. Some of your rantings and rumor mongering is really disgusting. Lots of people with money get targeted. You all assume that Girish is guilty. As I said (yes I know you weren't responding directly to me, but I'm one of the guys in this thread), it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were true and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the rumors were false. I haven't seen anything new lately out of the Indian press II have access to through google, has anyone else? L With all that building going on, someone would think it possible to blackmail some money. Lots of building, looks like lots of money. Someone always is trying to cash in on it.That is to be expected to some degree. It doesn't mean that we can all start bad mouthing everyone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: As MMY explained the decision to hike the price of TM through the roof: it is the elite of the world who set the trends and make the laws and the rich don't shop at poor stores. Getting voluntary celebrity endorsements is a surefire way to get media attention, which is a form of free advertising. L But the mass of people, who could benefit from it, do not shop in these stores, so even if they would like to have it, it is out of reach. They do not live like the elite, however much they may admire them or want to be like them. There are other ways to look at it. Some friends of mine learned TM in early 1974. It was US$64. Inflation adjusted to the current US Consumer Price Index (which sadly does not accurately measure inflation but it saves our bankrupt government moola) the price would be US$315. If you measure the inflation adjusted cost using the way the United States government measured inflation back in 1974, the current cost would be US$1195. You can learn mindfulness kinds of meditation for free or for considerably less. Many favors of Mindfullness instruction are available. Mindfullness In Plain English has already become a classic text.It is distributed free as a pdf or published book but you can payfor it on Amazon if that makes ya feel better. It is Vipassana in the Theravada, specifically Thai Forest, tradition. http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma4/mpe.htmlhttp://goo.gl/30iCi http://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/Mindfulness-in-plain-English\ .pdfhttp://goo.gl/BfLcV Receiving instruction from a qualified experienced instructoris helpful if only to remove doubt that the practice is correct.I find that this is especially true for TM practitioners as there is more than a little garbage they have have to unlearn. Bhante Gunaratana is well thought of by Buddhist as well as secular folks. Even a cat like Sam Harris recognizes the value. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/how-to-meditatehttp://goo.gl/XS3cU The Insight Meditation Society on the East coasthttp://www.dharma.org/and Spirit Rock on the West coasthttp://www.spiritrock.org/or anybody associated with the Bhavana Societyhttp://www.bhavanasociety.org/will point a person in the right direction with expertise for little or no cost. While I believe every choice we make in life has some value or lesson to teach us, I find Vipassana to be a much better choice than the TM I first learned 39 years ago.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stars who practice TM...why is it important?
Oh dumbazgrey - you cracked me up there, I was just talking about your vile, disgusting filth on FFL and you surprised the shit out of me - LOL..WTF are you OK baby? Don't fuck with me, with posts like this - OK? It's not funny, Vipassana my ass - more like whip-ass-no? On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:55 PM, azgrey no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig LEnglish5@ wrote: As MMY explained the decision to hike the price of TM through the roof: it is the elite of the world who set the trends and make the laws and the rich don't shop at poor stores. Getting voluntary celebrity endorsements is a surefire way to get media attention, which is a form of free advertising. L But the mass of people, who could benefit from it, do not shop in these stores, so even if they would like to have it, it is out of reach. They do not live like the elite, however much they may admire them or want to be like them. There are other ways to look at it. Some friends of mine learned TM in early 1974. It was US$64. Inflation adjusted to the current US Consumer Price Index (which sadly does not accurately measure inflation but it saves our bankrupt government moola) the price would be US$315. If you measure the inflation adjusted cost using the way the United States government measured inflation back in 1974, the current cost would be US$1195. You can learn mindfulness kinds of meditation for free or for considerably less. Many favors of Mindfullness instruction are available. Mindfullness In Plain English has already become a classic text. It is distributed free as a pdf or published book but you can pay for it on Amazon if that makes ya feel better. It is Vipassana in the Theravada, specifically Thai Forest, tradition. http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma4/mpe.html http://goo.gl/30iCi http://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/Mindfulness-in-plain-English.pdf http://goo.gl/BfLcV Receiving instruction from a qualified experienced instructor is helpful if only to remove doubt that the practice is correct. I find that this is especially true for TM practitioners as there is more than a little garbage they have have to unlearn. Bhante Gunaratana is well thought of by Buddhist as well as secular folks. Even a cat like Sam Harris recognizes the value. http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/how-to-meditate http://goo.gl/XS3cU The Insight Meditation Society on the East coast http://www.dharma.org/ and Spirit Rock on the West coast http://www.spiritrock.org/ or anybody associated with the Bhavana Society http://www.bhavanasociety.org/ will point a person in the right direction with expertise for little or no cost. While I believe every choice we make in life has some value or lesson to teach us, I find Vipassana to be a much better choice than the TM I first learned 39 years ago.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
Steve, are you warning me, correcting me, pointing out something that I don't see? There is nothing untoward about pointing out the phony identities around here, and what masquerades for spiritual inquiry, but is in reality, just that, a masquerade. I enjoy making such distinctions on here, and directly. It is intentionally disruptive. Not for its own sake, but to allow other contributions here also. Seems to be working.:-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: I gotta say Jim, as LG said previously, you've got a penchant for writing, but you seem stuck in petty feedback loop that sort of underscores what those in the other camp' have to say about you. Not that you care of course. It's a tiny audience here, but one could easily interpret it that you can't be bothered (or are able) to respond in a more substantive manner. Your choice. Much easier to say, so and so, is full of shit. Period, final, end of discussion. That is where I think you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Curtis. since you are, like Barry, humor challenged when it is directed at you, once again I will clarify my take on the two of you: I don't know where you and your boyfriend get off on trying to lecture anybody, on anything, here on FFL. Him with his endless flogging of dead horses, and you always appearing sparkly and preachy, like a young republican debutante, or something. You both come across as a couple of square old biddies, about as cool as an old puddle, the neighborhood busy-bodies, ready to raise the alarm at the first sign of challenge. For that, I refer to you as a less than charming couple, and the image persists. Tea? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: My, my, so *bitchy* again, today, Ethel! Bitch, bitch, bitch. No kiss-kiss and make up? I am sorry you and Fred had a fight, but that's really not *my* problem. Now, please clutch your self-righteousness ever closer to your man boobs, and go suck an ice cream cone. You'll feel better. Love, Your Doctor Dumbass --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: snip The only thing unique about you is your lack of self awareness. But then, of course you know that. So continue with your falsehoods and trickery and know that most of us have your number, except for your girlfriend, Curtis. So let just understand how you are intending this as an insult to me Jim. Are you implying that Barry and I have a gay relationship and that this would somehow be an insult because of your negative views of gay people? **I don't have any negative views of gay people, though I have sometimes had negative views of people that happened to be gay. My best friend for 32 years was gay, and died of AIDS. He was also my younger brother, RIP. So, fuck you, on assumption #1. Me: You have claimed this before and have used it as if it might give you a pass on some very nasty gender based and gay insults. You only mention him in this context, and include very hostile curses when you invoke him as your defense. Like your claim of enlightenment, there is a very large disconnect between your claim and your behavior. If it is actually true it only doubles the idiocy of using sex and gay references in your putdowns for people who disagree with you or who you don't like. It is a common theme for your tantrums here, the use of images of homosexual references as if that is an insult to another man. It is a consistent theme of how you characterize how Barry and I relate to each other. I am against that kind of insult. Your get out of homophobia-charge free card has expired. Stop making gay and gender based insults. Or are you saying that I am a female and therefor worthy of contempt because I am really an inferior woman rather than a man? **My wife, daughter, and sister-in-law could *easily*, each separately, kick your ass. Turn you into meat. #2 goes down in flames too. So your proof of your lack of gender issues is to create a violent imaginary scenario where your wife or daughter would engage in a physical altercation with a man. Yeah, that was very convincing. You don't add up dude. **Hm...course correction time, Ethel?? In your anger you always reveal your hidden cards Jim. You are a very unpleasant person underneath the I am enlightened, no really , I am really enlightened, no really I am rap. Message number one, Ethel: Enlightened people can be very unpleasant to fools (like you). My reference was to Fred and Ethel, you and Barry. I just quickly painted the picture, which still
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... no_reply@... wrote: Steve, are you warning me, correcting me, pointing out something that I don't see? There is nothing untoward about pointing out the phony identities around here, and what masquerades for spiritual inquiry, but is in reality, just that, a masquerade. I enjoy making such distinctions on here, and directly. It is intentionally disruptive. Not for its own sake, but to allow other contributions here also. Seems to be working.:-) Wel, by all means, carry on, if you feel that it is working! That's not quite my take, but who am I. I was just pointing out that you've pretty much been on restricted diet for a couple weeks now, and maybe you want to try to add a little variety. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: I gotta say Jim, as LG said previously, you've got a penchant for writing, but you seem stuck in petty feedback loop that sort of underscores what those in the other camp' have to say about you. Not that you care of course. It's a tiny audience here, but one could easily interpret it that you can't be bothered (or are able) to respond in a more substantive manner. Your choice. Much easier to say, so and so, is full of shit. Period, final, end of discussion. That is where I think you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Curtis. since you are, like Barry, humor challenged when it is directed at you, once again I will clarify my take on the two of you: I don't know where you and your boyfriend get off on trying to lecture anybody, on anything, here on FFL. Him with his endless flogging of dead horses, and you always appearing sparkly and preachy, like a young republican debutante, or something. You both come across as a couple of square old biddies, about as cool as an old puddle, the neighborhood busy-bodies, ready to raise the alarm at the first sign of challenge. For that, I refer to you as a less than charming couple, and the image persists. Tea? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: My, my, so *bitchy* again, today, Ethel! Bitch, bitch, bitch. No kiss-kiss and make up? I am sorry you and Fred had a fight, but that's really not *my* problem. Now, please clutch your self-righteousness ever closer to your man boobs, and go suck an ice cream cone. You'll feel better. Love, Your Doctor Dumbass --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: snip The only thing unique about you is your lack of self awareness. But then, of course you know that. So continue with your falsehoods and trickery and know that most of us have your number, except for your girlfriend, Curtis. So let just understand how you are intending this as an insult to me Jim. Are you implying that Barry and I have a gay relationship and that this would somehow be an insult because of your negative views of gay people? **I don't have any negative views of gay people, though I have sometimes had negative views of people that happened to be gay. My best friend for 32 years was gay, and died of AIDS. He was also my younger brother, RIP. So, fuck you, on assumption #1. Me: You have claimed this before and have used it as if it might give you a pass on some very nasty gender based and gay insults. You only mention him in this context, and include very hostile curses when you invoke him as your defense. Like your claim of enlightenment, there is a very large disconnect between your claim and your behavior. If it is actually true it only doubles the idiocy of using sex and gay references in your putdowns for people who disagree with you or who you don't like. It is a common theme for your tantrums here, the use of images of homosexual references as if that is an insult to another man. It is a consistent theme of how you characterize how Barry and I relate to each other. I am against that kind of insult. Your get out of homophobia-charge free card has expired. Stop making gay and gender based insults. Or are you saying that I am a female and therefor worthy of contempt because I am really an inferior woman rather than a man? **My wife, daughter, and sister-in-law could *easily*, each separately, kick your ass. Turn you into meat. #2 goes down in flames too. So your proof of your lack of gender issues is to create a violent imaginary scenario where your wife or daughter would engage in a physical altercation with a man. Yeah, that was very convincing. You don't add up dude. **Hm...course correction time,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Men only,
OK - In other memory news of mine, I saw Argo, and loved it - great all 'round pic and amazing story. Also finally saw Tower Heist which is a fun one. And Baby Mama, also enjoyable. Just watched this week's The Amazing Race, which was different this time, because during the last show, one of the monuments featured in Hanoi was a wrecked B-52, shot down during the American War in Vietnam. This show was preceded by an apology regarding US vets, alluding to the earlier footage. I figure we were trying to kill them, to continue the momentum of imperialism inherited from the French, and they defended themselves, on their soil. What is the problem? Your thoughts? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Steve, are you warning me, correcting me, pointing out something that I don't see? There is nothing untoward about pointing out the phony identities around here, and what masquerades for spiritual inquiry, but is in reality, just that, a masquerade. I enjoy making such distinctions on here, and directly. It is intentionally disruptive. Not for its own sake, but to allow other contributions here also. Seems to be working.:-) Wel, by all means, carry on, if you feel that it is working! That's not quite my take, but who am I. I was just pointing out that you've pretty much been on restricted diet for a couple weeks now, and maybe you want to try to add a little variety. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray27 steve.sundur@ wrote: I gotta say Jim, as LG said previously, you've got a penchant for writing, but you seem stuck in petty feedback loop that sort of underscores what those in the other camp' have to say about you. Not that you care of course. It's a tiny audience here, but one could easily interpret it that you can't be bothered (or are able) to respond in a more substantive manner. Your choice. Much easier to say, so and so, is full of shit. Period, final, end of discussion. That is where I think you are. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: Curtis. since you are, like Barry, humor challenged when it is directed at you, once again I will clarify my take on the two of you: I don't know where you and your boyfriend get off on trying to lecture anybody, on anything, here on FFL. Him with his endless flogging of dead horses, and you always appearing sparkly and preachy, like a young republican debutante, or something. You both come across as a couple of square old biddies, about as cool as an old puddle, the neighborhood busy-bodies, ready to raise the alarm at the first sign of challenge. For that, I refer to you as a less than charming couple, and the image persists. Tea? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: My, my, so *bitchy* again, today, Ethel! Bitch, bitch, bitch. No kiss-kiss and make up? I am sorry you and Fred had a fight, but that's really not *my* problem. Now, please clutch your self-righteousness ever closer to your man boobs, and go suck an ice cream cone. You'll feel better. Love, Your Doctor Dumbass --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ no_reply@ wrote: snip The only thing unique about you is your lack of self awareness. But then, of course you know that. So continue with your falsehoods and trickery and know that most of us have your number, except for your girlfriend, Curtis. So let just understand how you are intending this as an insult to me Jim. Are you implying that Barry and I have a gay relationship and that this would somehow be an insult because of your negative views of gay people? **I don't have any negative views of gay people, though I have sometimes had negative views of people that happened to be gay. My best friend for 32 years was gay, and died of AIDS. He was also my younger brother, RIP. So, fuck you, on assumption #1. Me: You have claimed this before and have used it as if it might give you a pass on some very nasty gender based and gay insults. You only mention him in this context, and include very hostile curses when you invoke him as your defense. Like your claim of enlightenment, there is a very large disconnect between your claim and your behavior. If it is actually true it only doubles the idiocy of using sex and gay references in your putdowns for people who disagree with you or who you don't like. It is a common theme for your tantrums here, the use of images of homosexual references as if that is an insult to another man. It
