date:20131002

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 that's excellent tho I prefer the Willie Nelson version

Willie actually got the song from Emmylou, not from Townes
Van Zandt directly, and then recorded it in a very popular
version with Merle Haggard. He tells the story of that discovery
(and performs the song with Emmylou) here. Their version was
excellent, partly because both Willie and Merle are such
outlaws themselves.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0

 
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cafe Nostalgia

 It was probably the use of Marty Robbins' El Paso in the final
episode of Breaking Bad that got me thinking about it, but ever since
I've been on kind of a music kick, finding and listening to classic
outlaw songs. El Paso is obviously one of the greats in that category,
but it's another old outlaw song that's stuck in my head tonight, and
it's even brought back some pleasant memories about my time in the TM
movement, so I'll share them with you.

 Back in early 1977, when I first heard the song, I was living at the
TM National Headquarters at the end of Sunset Blvd. I was working there
as personnel director for a few months before my Sidhis course, and
lived on the premises in one of the rooms (it was formerly a motel, for
those of you who never went there). It was a cool place to live -- a
block from the beach, next door to the Yogananda Lake Shrine -- and even
though I was making shit money I was earning precious (at the time)
course credits, so I made the best of living there.

 It was there I first heard Emmylou Harris' version of a great Townes
Van Sandt outlaw song called Pancho and Lefty. I remember listening to
it one night with my girlfriend, who I had had to sneak into my room,
the both of us feeling very much like outlaws ourselves for having  sex
there in the TM National Headquarters.Â  :-)

 Anyway, it's a great song, and listening to it again in a Paris cafe
-- all these years later -- I still love it. I also love -- all these
years later -- still feeling like an outlaw.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LQeRqTBK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LQeRqTBK4

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia (musings about outlaws)

Here's a related (at least in my mind) treat. It's a marvelously
creative animated open letter to J. J. Abrams telling him how
not to screw up the future movies in the Star Wars franchise
the way he and others have screwed them up in the past. And
the rules these fans propose are both brilliant and right on.
Star Wars is a Western, and it's about outlaws just gettin'
by out on the frontier. Mess that up, and you mess up the
whole concept.

 
http://io9.com/a-beautifully-animated-open-letter-to-j-j-abrams-about-1\
397273170 
http://io9.com/a-beautifully-animated-open-letter-to-j-j-abrams-about-1\
397273170
http://io9.com/a-beautifully-animated-open-letter-to-j-j-abrams-about-13\
97273170
http://io9.com/a-beautifully-animated-open-letter-to-j-j-abrams-about-1\
397273170

Following these simple rules is what made Star Wars work
originally, and it's what made Firefly work. Heck, these rules
were even what made the original Japanese film that Star Wars
ripped off (The Hidden Fortress) work; that was an outlaw
story, too.

Mess with outlaws at your peril...


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
 
  that's excellent tho I prefer the Willie Nelson version

 Willie actually got the song from Emmylou, not from Townes
 Van Zandt directly, and then recorded it in a very popular
 version with Merle Haggard. He tells the story of that discovery
 (and performs the song with Emmylou) here. Their version was
 excellent, partly because both Willie and Merle are such
 outlaws themselves.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0


  
   From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:31 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cafe Nostalgia
 
  It was probably the use of Marty Robbins' El Paso in the final
 episode of Breaking Bad that got me thinking about it, but ever
since
 I've been on kind of a music kick, finding and listening to classic
 outlaw songs. El Paso is obviously one of the greats in that
category,
 but it's another old outlaw song that's stuck in my head tonight, and
 it's even brought back some pleasant memories about my time in the TM
 movement, so I'll share them with you.
 
  Back in early 1977, when I first heard the song, I was living at the
 TM National Headquarters at the end of Sunset Blvd. I was working
there
 as personnel director for a few months before my Sidhis course, and
 lived on the premises in one of the rooms (it was formerly a motel,
for
 those of you who never went there). It was a cool place to live -- a
 block from the beach, next door to the Yogananda Lake Shrine -- and
even
 though I was making shit money I was earning precious (at the time)
 course credits, so I made the best of living there.
 
  It was there I first heard Emmylou Harris' version of a great Townes
 Van Sandt outlaw song called Pancho and Lefty. I remember listening
to
 it one night with my girlfriend, who I had had to sneak into my room,
 the both of us feeling very much like outlaws ourselves for having 
sex
 there in the TM National Headquarters.Â  :-)
 
  Anyway, it's a great song, and listening to it again in a Paris cafe
 -- all these years later -- I still love it. I also love -- all these
 years later -- still feeling like an outlaw.
 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LQeRqTBK4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LQeRqTBK4

[FairfieldLife] Orthodox Rabbi Reveals Name of Messiah quot;JESUSquot;,quot;Yehoshuaquot; or

2013-10-02 Thread cardemaister

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

turq, what I love about this clip is seeing so much *soul* in Emmylou and 
Willie, 2 very successful entertainers. I bet lots of entertainers have lots of 
soul, but maybe many of them sort of hide that, thinking they have to do so in 
order to be successful. It's a treat for me to see 2 who do not hide their 
soul. If that's what it means to be an outlaw, then power to the renegades I 
say!





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:54 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

 that's excellent tho I prefer the Willie Nelson version

Willie actually got the song from Emmylou, not from Townes
Van Zandt directly, and then recorded it in a very popular 
version with Merle Haggard. He tells the story of that discovery
(and performs the song with Emmylou) here. Their version was
excellent, partly because both Willie and Merle are such
outlaws themselves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0 

 
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cafe Nostalgia
 
 It was probably the use of Marty Robbins' El Paso in the final episode of 
 Breaking Bad that got me thinking about it, but ever since I've been on 
 kind of a music kick, finding and listening to classic outlaw songs. El 
 Paso is obviously one of the greats in that category, but it's another old 
 outlaw song that's stuck in my head tonight, and it's even brought back some 
 pleasant memories about my time in the TM movement, so I'll share them with 
 you. 
 
 Back in early 1977, when I first heard the song, I was living at the TM 
 National Headquarters at the end of Sunset Blvd. I was working there as 
 personnel director for a few months before my Sidhis course, and lived on the 
 premises in one of the rooms (it was formerly a motel, for those of you who 
 never went there). It was a cool place to live -- a block from the beach, 
 next door to the Yogananda Lake Shrine -- and even though I was making shit 
 money I was earning precious (at the time) course credits, so I made the best 
 of living there. 
 
 It was there I first heard Emmylou Harris' version of a great Townes Van 
 Sandt outlaw song called Pancho and Lefty. I remember listening to it one 
 night with my girlfriend, who I had had to sneak into my room, the both of us 
 feeling very much like outlaws ourselves for having  sex there in the TM 
 National Headquarters.Â  :-)
 
 Anyway, it's a great song, and listening to it again in a Paris cafe -- all 
 these years later -- I still love it. I also love -- all these years later -- 
 still feeling like an outlaw. 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LQeRqTBK4

Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude 
probably 
says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. 
Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area 
before boarding and then told his wife. One imagines all kinds of conversations 
they then had. Maybe he was a risk taker. Maybe he was questioning his aura 
reading abilities and wanted to experiment. Maybe he came out of meditation too 
fast (-: I think doing TM balances brain functioning. That might mean that the 
reptilian brain no longer dominates one's decision making process. 




 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
 


  
Itzhak Bentov wrote a couple of entertaining books exploring new-agey ideas 
back in the 1970s. He was also a keen advocate of transcendental meditation 
-but not a starry-eyed advocate as he was also an early pioneer in exploring 
the issue of kundalini syndrome and he knew from personal experience that TM 
could have unpleasant side-effects. On which, see the appendix to Stalking the 
Wild Pendulum.


 One thing that's always puzzled me is the story that as he was boarding 
American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura 
and so he knew that they were all destined to die. He got on the plane anyway . 
. . and so bye-bye Bentov. Now, if he really realised that the plane was going 
tits up why did he board the aircraft? Does doing TM damage your survival 
instinct?

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ishvara - The Transcendental Person

thank you for posting this - its much better than Willy Tex's inane ramblings - 
I'm gonna get this book - it looks interesting

 From: emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:16 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ishvara - The Transcendental Person

Prairie Dog! 

If you knew more you'd be embarrassed by your claims.

I've replied many times with the accurate and accepted scholarship that casts a 
harsh light on your antiquated conjectures. Your reply is a study in troll 
behaviors. You reply with Maybe so ... but and then continue repeating the 
same line.  

I have concluded that you really are just a type of troll ... with all the 
indications of dishonesty that term implies.

However, for the sake of anyone reading this follow, up here is a text that 
examines Gautama Buddha's meditation teachings in light of his own claimed 
Brahmanic gurus. 

The Origin of Buddhist Meditation  (Routledge Critical Studies in Buddhism) 
Alexander Wynne (Author) 

Publication Date: June 8, 2007 | ISBN-10:041554467X | ISBN-13:978-0415544672 | 
Edition: 1

Having
identified early material that goes back to the Buddha himself, the author
argues that the two teachers of the Buddha were historical figures. Based on
the early Brahminic literature, namely the early Upanishads and Moksadharma,
the author asserts the origin of the method of meditation learned by the Buddha
from these teachers, and attempts to use them to identify some authentic
teachings of the Buddha on meditation.

Stimulating
debate within the field of Buddhist Studies, the following claims are put
forward:
* the Buddha was taught by Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta, as stated 
in the literature of numerous early Buddhist sects, is historically authentic 
* 

* Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta taught a form of early Brahminic 
meditation 
* 

* the Buddha must consequently have been trained in a meditative school 
whose ideology was provided by the philosophical portions of early Upanishads
Shedding
new light on a fascinating aspect of the origins of Buddhism, this book will be
of interest to academics in the field of Buddhist studies, Asian religion and
South Asian studies. 

Willy Prairie Dog sez:

Around here, if it looks like a yoga and it feels like a yoga, then it probably 
is a yoga. If it's a yoga, then it's probably a Buddhist yoga. 

There was no yoga in India before the historical Buddha. TM looks
  like it is yoga to me, so it's probably Buddhist yoga of some
  kind. Go figure.

So, now we know the origin of the Buddhist yoga: in the Vajrayana
  sect of Mahayana Buddhism. According to what I've read, Vajrayana
  Buddhism was centered in Uddiyana, located in the modern day Swat
  Valley in what is now Kashmere, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The
  Tantric Buddhist yoga was imported into South Asia where it became
  Shaktism. 

Are you starting to follow the history now?

In 747 the Indian master Padmasambhava traveled from Afghanistan
  to bring Vajrayana Buddhism to Tibet and Bhutan, at the request of
  the king of Tibet...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 turq, what I love about this clip is seeing so much *soul* in Emmylou
and Willie, 2 very successful entertainers. I bet lots of entertainers
have lots of soul, but maybe many of them sort of hide that, thinking
they have to do so in order to be successful. It's a treat for me to see
2 who do not hide their soul. If that's what it means to be an outlaw,
then power to the renegades I say!

Agreed. With Emmylou, she's always been a total *individual*,
from the moment she was first discovered by her mentor Gram
Parsons. She's one of those women who went gray early (in
her very early 30s), and I always liked that she not only didn't try
to hide it, she celebrated it by going gray entirely, and very
fashionably. On the other hand, I wish she hadn't gone the
Botox route with her face, because although it still looks young,
when she speaks you can see that it's partly frozen in place.

With Willie, what can one say? He's never tried to hide what
he is or his occasional bad habits (marijuana, tax evasion), or
the fact that he's a crusty old bastard and proud of it. He just
is what he is, and makes no apologies for it.

If you call that soul, no problem. I call it character.

In this day and age, with the government knowing pretty much
everything about all of our lives, reading our emails, and listen-
ing in to all of our phone calls, there is no way *to* successfully
hide who you are. The only defense against such a world is *to
be in public exactly who you are in private, and Not Give A Shit*.

Doing that gives you freedom. It also IMO gives you character.


 
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
 
  that's excellent tho I prefer the Willie Nelson version

 Willie actually got the song from Emmylou, not from Townes
 Van Zandt directly, and then recorded it in a very popular
 version with Merle Haggard. He tells the story of that discovery
 (and performs the song with Emmylou) here. Their version was
 excellent, partly because both Willie and Merle are such
 outlaws themselves.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0Â

  
   From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:31 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cafe Nostalgia
 
  It was probably the use of Marty Robbins' El Paso in the final
episode of Breaking Bad that got me thinking about it, but ever since
I've been on kind of a music kick, finding and listening to classic
outlaw songs. El Paso is obviously one of the greats in that category,
but it's another old outlaw song that's stuck in my head tonight, and
it's even brought back some pleasant memories about my time in the TM
movement, so I'll share them with you.
 
  Back in early 1977, when I first heard the song, I was living at the
TM National Headquarters at the end of Sunset Blvd. I was working there
as personnel director for a few months before my Sidhis course, and
lived on the premises in one of the rooms (it was formerly a motel, for
those of you who never went there). It was a cool place to live -- a
block from the beach, next door to the Yogananda Lake Shrine -- and even
though I was making shit money I was earning precious (at the time)
course credits, so I made the best of living there.
 
  It was there I first heard Emmylou Harris' version of a great Townes
Van Sandt outlaw song called Pancho and Lefty. I remember listening to
it one night with my girlfriend, who I had had to sneak into my room,
the both of us feeling very much like outlaws ourselves for having  sex
there in the TM National Headquarters.ÃÂ  :-)
 
  Anyway, it's a great song, and listening to it again in a Paris cafe
-- all these years later -- I still love it. I also love -- all these
years later -- still feeling like an outlaw.
 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LQeRqTBK4Â

Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

I listened to a set of audio tapes of a seminar he taught - a guy at MIU was a 
big fan of his and had been allowed to tape the seminar - Bentov discussed TM a 
little - he said it was a nice meditation but he said the Movement was not too 
much to brag about.





 From: s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:46 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
 


  
Itzhak Bentov wrote a couple of entertaining books exploring new-agey ideas 
back in the 1970s. He was also a keen advocate of transcendental meditation 
-but not a starry-eyed advocate as he was also an early pioneer in exploring 
the issue of kundalini syndrome and he knew from personal experience that TM 
could have unpleasant side-effects. On which, see the appendix to Stalking the 
Wild Pendulum.


 One thing that's always puzzled me is the story that as he was boarding 
American Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one on the plane had an aura 
and so he knew that they were all destined to die. He got on the plane anyway . 
. . and so bye-bye Bentov. Now, if he really realised that the plane was going 
tits up why did he board the aircraft? Does doing TM damage your survival 
instinct?

Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

Xeno, just using simple logic, I'd speculate that a fully perceptive person 
would label me as being like everyone else, a mix of developed and undeveloped 
aspects; that my basic motive is the same basic motive that propels all humans, 
to live more fully. My question is how would a fully perceptive person behave 
given that we're all in this together.


There is a phenomenon in psychology called the Anniversary Effect or the 
Anniversary Reaction. It can be conscious or unconscious. Yesterday was the one 
year anniversary of my accusing RWC of pr. My guess is that RWC's supporters 
were consciously or unconsciously reacting to what was an upsetting event for 
them. 

But I have to ask: why do they continue to be SO upset about it. My conclusion 
is unresolved issues from childhood are at work. AND, projecting a lot of their 
shadow about RWC onto me. Otherwise they would have moved on from this dynamic 
long ago. IMO.



 From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:03 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 
00:15:03 UTC
 


  
AUTHFRIEND WROTE:
Share's true motives have been evident to halfway-perceptive people for a 
long time, actually. Unfortunately that doesn't include Share (or Steve, for 
that matter). It isn't Seraphita's fault that she hasn't seen the full picture 
yet; she hasn't been here as a regular for long enough.
The question that could be asked here is, what would be evident to 
fully-perceptive people in this same situation, now that you 
halfway-perceptives have nailed Share's true motives? [Note: prevaricators' 
intrusions into my point here, under the guise of 'comments', is ill advised 
for integrity reasons]

[FairfieldLife] Pirates, Outlaws and Superheroes, for metrosexuals

2013-10-02 Thread doctordumbass

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

turq, so I guess the learning for me is how to balance that being transparent 
with what noozguru was calling having reserve. I'd call character the result of 
living our soul more and more. I'd say that's what both Emmylou and Willie do 
to a great extent. Thanks again for posting that.





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 6:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:

 turq, what I love about this clip is seeing so much *soul* in Emmylou
and Willie, 2 very successful entertainers. I bet lots of entertainers
have lots of soul, but maybe many of them sort of hide that, thinking
they have to do so in order to be successful. It's a treat for me to see
2 who do not hide their soul. If that's what it means to be an outlaw,
then power to the renegades I say!

Agreed. With Emmylou, she's always been a total *individual*,
from the moment she was first discovered by her mentor Gram
Parsons. She's one of those women who went gray early (in
her very early 30s), and I always liked that she not only didn't try
to hide it, she celebrated it by going gray entirely, and very
fashionably. On the other hand, I wish she hadn't gone the
Botox route with her face, because although it still looks young,
when she speaks you can see that it's partly frozen in place.

With Willie, what can one say? He's never tried to hide what
he is or his occasional bad habits (marijuana, tax evasion), or
the fact that he's a crusty old bastard and proud of it. He just
is what he is, and makes no apologies for it.

If you call that soul, no problem. I call it character.

In this day and age, with the government knowing pretty much
everything about all of our lives, reading our emails, and listen-
ing in to all of our phone calls, there is no way *to* successfully
hide who you are. The only defense against such a world is *to
be in public exactly who you are in private, and Not Give A Shit*.

Doing that gives you freedom. It also IMO gives you character.

 
  From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:54 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
 
  that's excellent tho I prefer the Willie Nelson version

 Willie actually got the song from Emmylou, not from Townes
 Van Zandt directly, and then recorded it in a very popular
 version with Merle Haggard. He tells the story of that discovery
 (and performs the song with Emmylou) here. Their version was
 excellent, partly because both Willie and Merle are such
 outlaws themselves.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0Â

  
   From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:31 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cafe Nostalgia
 
  It was probably the use of Marty Robbins' El Paso in the final
episode of Breaking Bad that got me thinking about it, but ever since
I've been on kind of a music kick, finding and listening to classic
outlaw songs. El Paso is obviously one of the greats in that category,
but it's another old outlaw song that's stuck in my head tonight, and
it's even brought back some pleasant memories about my time in the TM
movement, so I'll share them with you.
 
  Back in early 1977, when I first heard the song, I was living at the
TM National Headquarters at the end of Sunset Blvd. I was working there
as personnel director for a few months before my Sidhis course, and
lived on the premises in one of the rooms (it was formerly a motel, for
those of you who never went there). It was a cool place to live -- a
block from the beach, next door to the Yogananda Lake Shrine -- and even
though I was making shit money I was earning precious (at the time)
course credits, so I made the best of living there.
 
  It was there I first heard Emmylou Harris' version of a great Townes
Van Sandt outlaw song called Pancho and Lefty. I remember listening to
it one night with my girlfriend, who I had had to sneak into my room,
the both of us feeling very much like outlaws ourselves for having  sex
there in the TM National Headquarters.Ã‚Â  :-)
 
  Anyway, it's a great song, and listening to it again in a Paris cafe
-- all these years later -- I still love it. I also love -- all these
years later -- still feeling like an outlaw.
 
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LQeRqTBK4Â

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 turq, so I guess the learning for me is how to balance 
 that being transparent with what noozguru was calling 
 having reserve. I'd call character the result of living 
 our soul more and more. I'd say that's what both Emmylou 
 and Willie do to a great extent. Thanks again for 
 posting that.

I think the point that you -- and the other poster
consistently at the top of the Post Count list --
still don't get, and still aren't willing to take
any responsibility for, is that living your soul
causes you to make *twice as many posts* as anyone
else on the forum. 

You both seem to react as if this is your right,
and has no impact on anyone else, or on the overall
readability of the group as a whole. 

THIS is what I was getting at in my STFU post. That
and the constant need (on both sides) to defend
yourselves against perceived affronts, and turn 
them into multi-post threads *that no one is inter-
ested in except yourselves*. Just sayin'...

Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta, the teachers of the historical
Buddha, of course were Sramanas of the Buddhist persuasion - that's why
they were practicing yoga and meditation. Not because they were Hindus
who reverted the Vedas.

There's no yoga mentioned in the Vedas - that came much later, and all
the Upanishads were composed AFTER the Buddha's demise.

The similarity between the views of Gaudapada and Nagarjuna cannot be
missed. Gaudapada himself acknowledges this when he says, There are
some (shunyavadins) who uphold non-dualism (advayavada) and reject both
the extreme views of being and non-being, of production and destruction
and thus emphatically proclaim the doctrine of no-origination. We
approve, says Gaudapada, of the doctrine of no-origination proclaimed
by them.

Swami Nikhilananda on Mandukya Up:

From the fact that many Buddhist terms are used in explaining the
fourth state, such as Sunyata or emptiness, it is clear that this
commentary was written in an era when the concepts of the
Mulamadhyamakakarika school of Mahayana Buddhism were influential and
renowned.

Mandukya Upanishad:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandukya_Upanishad

On 10/1/2013 9:16 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote:

Prairie Dog!

If you knew more you'd be embarrassed by your claims.

I've replied many times with the accurate and accepted scholarship
that casts a harsh light on your antiquated conjectures. Your reply is
a study in troll behaviors. You reply with Maybe so ... but and then
continue repeating the same line.

I have concluded that you really are just a type of troll ... with all
the indications of dishonesty that term implies.

However, for the sake of anyone reading this follow, up here is a text
that examines Gautama Buddha's meditation teachings in light of his
own claimed Brahmanic gurus.

*The Origin of Buddhist Meditation (Routledge Critical Studies in
Buddhism) *

Alexander Wynne
http://www.amazon.com/Alexander-Wynne/e/B001JCEE2S/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1/180-4305227-2750419
(Author)

Publication Date: *June 8, 2007* | ISBN-10:*041554467X *|
ISBN-13:*978-0415544672* | Edition: *1*

*
*

Having identified early material that goes back to the Buddha himself,
the author argues that the two teachers of the Buddha were historical
figures. Based on the early Brahminic literature, namely the early
Upanishads and Moksadharma, the author asserts the origin of the
method of meditation learned by the Buddha from these teachers, and
attempts to use them to identify some authentic teachings of the
Buddha on meditation.

Stimulating debate within the field of Buddhist Studies, the following
claims are put forward:

* the Buddha was taught by Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta, as
stated in the literature of numerous early Buddhist sects, is
historically authentic
*

* Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta taught a form of early Brahminic
meditation
*

* the Buddha must consequently have been trained in a meditative
school whose ideology was provided by the philosophical portions
of early Upanishads

Shedding new light on a fascinating aspect of the origins of Buddhism,
this book will be of interest to academics in the field of Buddhist
studies, Asian religion and South Asian studies.

Willy Prairie Dog sez:

Around here, if it looks like a yoga and it feels like a yoga, then it
probably is a yoga. If it's a yoga, then it's probably a Buddhist yoga.

There was no yoga in India before the historical Buddha. TM looks like
it is yoga to me, so it's probably Buddhist yoga of some kind. Go figure.

So, now we know the origin of the Buddhist yoga: in the Vajrayana sect
of Mahayana Buddhism. According to what I've read, Vajrayana Buddhism
was centered in Uddiyana, located in the modern day Swat Valley in
what is now Kashmere, Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Tantric Buddhist
yoga was imported into South Asia where it became Shaktism.

Are you starting to follow the history now?

In 747 the Indian master Padmasambhava traveled from Afghanistan to
bring Vajrayana Buddhism to Tibet and Bhutan, at the request of the
king of Tibet...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an 
argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator?


Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation with 
Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start another fight. 
You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post Count thread, you'd have 
said all you need to. I mean, what does it say about you - it's only 
8:00 AM and you already slammed three people today. LoL!


Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits reinstated. Go 
figure.


On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:


Share wrote:
(snip)
Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we 
conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it 
does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura 
situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife.


Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about 
you that you ignored what she wrote (*as he was boarding* American 
Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one *on the plane* had an aura)?

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

2013-10-02 Thread awoelflebater

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ishvara - The Transcendental Person

Gaudapada:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaudapada

Sharma, C. (1997). A Critical Survey of Indian Philosophy, Delhi:
Motilal Banarsidass, ISBN 81-208-0365-5, p.239

On 10/2/2013 6:31 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
thank you for posting this - its much better than Willy Tex's inane
ramblings - I'm gonna get this book - it looks interesting

*From:* emptyb...@yahoo.com emptyb...@yahoo.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:16 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] RE: Ishvara - The Transcendental Person

Prairie Dog!

If you knew more you'd be embarrassed by your claims.

I have concluded that you really are just a type of troll ... with all
the indications of dishonesty that term implies.

However, for the sake of anyone reading this follow, up here is a text
that examines Gautama Buddha's meditation teachings in light of his
own claimed Brahmanic gurus.

*The Origin of Buddhist Meditation (Routledge Critical Studies in
Buddhism) *
Alexander Wynne
http://www.amazon.com/Alexander-Wynne/e/B001JCEE2S/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1/180-4305227-2750419
(Author)
Publication Date: *June 8, 2007* | ISBN-10:*041554467X *|
ISBN-13:*978-0415544672* | Edition: *1*

*
*
Having identified early material that goes back to the Buddha himself,
the author argues that the two teachers of the Buddha were historical
figures. Based on the early Brahminic literature, namely the early
Upanishads and Moksadharma, the author asserts the origin of the
method of meditation learned by the Buddha from these teachers, and
attempts to use them to identify some authentic teachings of the
Buddha on meditation.

Stimulating debate within the field of Buddhist Studies, the following
claims are put forward:

* the Buddha was taught by Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta, as
stated in the literature of numerous early Buddhist sects, is
historically authentic
*

* Alara Kalama and Uddaka Ramaputta taught a form of early Brahminic
meditation
*

* the Buddha must consequently have been trained in a meditative
school whose ideology was provided by the philosophical portions
of early Upanishads

Shedding new light on a fascinating aspect of the origins of Buddhism,
this book will be of interest to academics in the field of Buddhist
studies, Asian religion and South Asian studies.

Willy Prairie Dog sez:

Around here, if it looks like a yoga and it feels like a yoga, then it
probably is a yoga. If it's a yoga, then it's probably a Buddhist yoga.

There was no yoga in India before the historical Buddha. TM looks like
it is yoga to me, so it's probably Buddhist yoga of some kind. Go figure.

Are you starting to follow the history now?

In 747 the Indian master Padmasambhava traveled from Afghanistan to
bring Vajrayana Buddhism to Tibet and Bhutan, at the request of the
king of Tibet...

I don't know about this *amendment*, but people renounce their citizenship all 
the time. In fact it's at record levels today. People don't secede, they 
renounce citizenship, give up their passports. Governmental entities secede. 
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to 
dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to 
assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal stations to which 
the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the 
opinions of mankind, requires that they separate, that they should declare the 
causes which impel them to the separation.
Our own declaration of Independence. I don't think the Supreme Court ever ruled 
as to whether session is legal or not. Jefferson Davis was never brought to 
trial for fear the Supreme Court would rule in his favor, that the Southern 
states had the right to secede just as the colonies seceded from Great Britain.
    Anyway we're not there yet. Moving in that direction but a long way to go. 


 From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down
  
  
Mike,

I've read these arguments that you mentioned before.  I believe there's an 
Amendment in the US Constitution that states any American born in the US cannot 
secede from the Union.  So, it doesn't appear that any Texans in the state can 
qualify for seceding from the USA.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Of course the US can annex other countries if they petition to join. Texas was 
a free Republic once they gained independence from Mexico. Joined the Union in 
1845. As a Repubic, Texas has always claimed the right to leave the union. Not 
so sure the civil war settled that issue since the other states were never 
independent republics. Texas also intered under the stipulation that it could 
subdivide into five seperate states.
 


 From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down
  
  
 Mike,

I actually believe that it's possible for the US to acquire other states in the 
world.  It's possible for Canada to voluntary join in since the two countries 
are already fairly similar in cultures.

Although the national language differs, it's also possible for Mexico to be 
annexed just like all of the southwestern states, which were originally part of 
Mexico before the Mexican-American War.

But given the fiscal turf battles in Congress at this time, it doesn't appear 
the US has the power to unify the interests of everyone. 
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote:
Can ju se, Ola! hable Espanol?
 


 From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Government Is Shut Down
  
  
Bhairitu,

I just looked up in Wikipedia about the three potential states in California, 
which includes the wannabee state of Jefferson, located in northern California. 
 It sounds ideal.  But I don't believe Governor Brown or his successors will 
let this happen.  For one, politics and money will eventually get in the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_California


Also, I read about the concept of Nine Nations of North America.  The idea is 
fascinating.  But who would like to be called a resident of the Empty Quarter?

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Perhaps the stupid country should fall.  US Government is an oxymoron 
anymore.  Perhaps we ought to be 9 different countries instead, along the 
geographical lines of the Nine Nations of North America.  That always made 
sense to me.  California, as it is, should be 3 states anyway.  The area would 
get 4 more Senators but we really do need to get rid of Diane Fein$tein.  Then 
maybe we could have what other countries have and that is Single Payer 
healthcare.  Instead we waste trillions on foreign wars to protect American 
interests.  Not they count on the public thinking American interests are 
going after terrorists and establishing democracies when really American 
interests are the US corporate pirates who want to raid the country for it's 
resources.  Secondly we need to get rid of the AMA who keeps people out of 
medical school who have a true interest in medicine and instead support the 
old boys network of sons and daughters of mediocre
 MDs attending medical school. 
On 10/01/2013 09:48 AM, doctordumbass@... wrote:
 
  
Funny thing - My health insurance policy just expired, because it doesn't meet 
the provisions of the new law.  
 

 
When I first signed up a year ago, my policy premium, which only covers

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I 
forgot. 

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Share wrote:
(snip)

Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude 
probably 
says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. 
Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area 
before boarding and then told his wife.

Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that 
you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he 
realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Orthodox Rabbi Reveals Name of Messiah JESUS,Yehoshua or

2013-10-02 Thread Mike Dixon

and you shall see Me coming in the clouds of Heaven and sitting at the right 
hand of the power of God.

 


 From: cardemais...@yahoo.com cardemais...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Orthodox Rabbi Reveals Name of Messiah 
JESUS,Yehoshua or
  
  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0DTT3u2JZ8

Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me for the 
upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy 
and unbalanced way.  

 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an 
argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator?

Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation
  with Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start
  another fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post
  Count thread, you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does
  it say about you - it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three
  people today. LoL!

Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits
  reinstated. Go figure.

On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

Share wrote:
(snip)

Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude 
probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. 
Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area 
before boarding and then told his wife.

Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that 
you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 
he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down

Mike, thanks for providing this good info about the difference bt individuals 
and groups separating from a group. It's great to learn something new. 

 From: Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down

I don't know about this *amendment*, but people renounce their citizenship all 
the time. In fact it's at record levels today. People don't secede, they 
renounce citizenship, give up their passports. Governmental entities secede. 
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to 
dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to 
assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal stations to which 
the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the 
opinions of mankind, requires that they separate, that they should declare the 
causes which impel them to the separation.
Our own declaration of Independence. I don't think the Supreme Court ever ruled 
as to whether session is legal or not. Jefferson Davis was never brought to 
trial for fear the Supreme Court would rule in his favor, that the Southern 
states had the right to secede just as the colonies seceded from Great Britain.
    Anyway we're not there yet. Moving in that direction but a long way to go.
From: jr_...@yahoo.com jr_...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 7:13 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down

Mike,

I've read these arguments that you mentioned before.  I believe there's an 
Amendment in the US Constitution that states any American born in the US cannot 
secede from the Union.  So, it doesn't appear that any Texans in the state can 
qualify for seceding from the USA. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Of course the US can annex other countries if they petition to join. Texas was 
a free Republic once they gained independence from Mexico. Joined the Union in 
1845. As a Repubic, Texas has always claimed the right to leave the union. Not 
so sure the civil war settled that issue since the other states were never 
independent republics. Texas also intered under the stipulation that it could 
subdivide into five seperate states.

From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 1:33 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: US Federal Government Is Shut Down

 Mike,

I actually believe that it's possible for the US to acquire other states in the 
world.  It's possible for Canada to voluntary join in since the two countries 
are already fairly similar in cultures.

Although the national language differs, it's also possible for Mexico to be 
annexed just like all of the southwestern states, which were originally part of 
Mexico before the Mexican-American War.

But given the fiscal turf battles in Congress at this time, it doesn't appear 
the US has the power to unify the interests of everyone.
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote:
Can ju se, Ola! hable Espanol?

From: jr_esq@... jr_esq@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 12:35 PM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] US Federal Government Is Shut Down

Bhairitu,

I just looked up in Wikipedia about the three potential states in California, 
which includes the wannabee state of Jefferson, located in northern California. 
 It sounds ideal.  But I don't believe Governor Brown or his successors will 
let this happen.  For one, politics and money will eventually get in the way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secession_in_California

Also, I read about the concept of Nine Nations of North America.  The idea is 
fascinating.  But who would like to be called a resident of the Empty Quarter?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Perhaps the stupid country should fall.  US Government is an oxymoron 
anymore.  Perhaps we ought to be 9 different countries instead, along the 
geographical lines of the Nine Nations of North America.  That always made 
sense to me.  California, as it is, should be 3 states anyway.  The area would 
get 4 more Senators but we really do need to get rid of Diane Fein$tein.  Then 
maybe we could have what other countries have and that is Single Payer 
healthcare.  Instead we waste trillions on foreign wars to protect American 
interests.  Not they count on the public thinking American interests are 
going after terrorists and establishing democracies when really American 
interests are the US corporate pirates who want to raid the country for it's 
resources.  Secondly we need to get rid of the AMA who keeps people out of 
medical school who have a true interest in medicine and instead support the 
old boys network of sons and daughters

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

turq, I'm taking in what Xeno and you are saying. I think I'll have to take it 
on faith that it's difficult for some to scroll down, not open emails, whatever.

 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:09 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 turq, so I guess the learning for me is how to balance 
 that being transparent with what noozguru was calling 
 having reserve. I'd call character the result of living 
 our soul more and more. I'd say that's what both Emmylou 
 and Willie do to a great extent. Thanks again for 
 posting that.

I think the point that you -- and the other poster
consistently at the top of the Post Count list --
still don't get, and still aren't willing to take
any responsibility for, is that living your soul
causes you to make *twice as many posts* as anyone
else on the forum. 

You both seem to react as if this is your right,
and has no impact on anyone else, or on the overall
readability of the group as a whole. 

THIS is what I was getting at in my STFU post. That
and the constant need (on both sides) to defend
yourselves against perceived affronts, and turn 
them into multi-post threads *that no one is inter-
ested in except yourselves*. Just sayin'...

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Re: [FairfieldLife] Orthodox Rabbi Reveals Name of Messiah JESUS,Yehoshua or

2013-10-02 Thread Mike Dixon

http://youtu.be/gf-1NTgIJDQ Hope this hyperlink works. Very interesting talk if 
you can get through it. Four Blood Moons.

 From: cardemais...@yahoo.com cardemais...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Orthodox Rabbi Reveals Name of Messiah 
JESUS,Yehoshua or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0DTT3u2JZ8

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RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Judy, my MAIN purpose was to support Seraphita who so often posts cool stuff. 
All the rest is your projection of your shadow stuff, unresolved childhood 
stuff. IMO

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Share bleated: 

 Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I
 forgot.

But wrote a detailed response involving elaborate conjectures anyway.

I'll tell you what I think your motivation was in writing the post. (It's just 
a guess, but you'll deny it even if it's correct.) I think your main purpose 
was to suggest that in asking how we knew what Bentov had been thinking, I had 
failed to consider the possibility that he had told his wife before boarding 
the plane. That attempted gotcha, I suspect, was uppermost in your mind as 
you wrote your response, and that's why you overlooked how Seraphita had 
described the incident.

In any case, it's typical of your failure to think things through before you 
make your posts, your habit of making instant connections just in order to have 
something to say, without considering whether those connections make any sense.

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Share wrote:
(snip)

Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude 
probably 
says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. 
Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area 
before boarding and then told his wife.

Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that 
you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he 
realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?

RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

2013-10-02 Thread awoelflebater

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

turq, ah readability, ok that's penetrating my noggin just as Xeno's post did. 
Anyway, the thing about your mighty blasts in my direction, I've never felt 
that you were holding a grudge against me. For whatever reason, that's the 
difference that makes a huge difference for me.





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:09 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 turq, so I guess the learning for me is how to balance 
 that being transparent with what noozguru was calling 
 having reserve. I'd call character the result of living 
 our soul more and more. I'd say that's what both Emmylou 
 and Willie do to a great extent. Thanks again for 
 posting that.

I think the point that you -- and the other poster
consistently at the top of the Post Count list --
still don't get, and still aren't willing to take
any responsibility for, is that living your soul
causes you to make *twice as many posts* as anyone
else on the forum. 

You both seem to react as if this is your right,
and has no impact on anyone else, or on the overall
readability of the group as a whole. 

THIS is what I was getting at in my STFU post. That
and the constant need (on both sides) to defend
yourselves against perceived affronts, and turn 
them into multi-post threads *that no one is inter-
ested in except yourselves*. Just sayin'...

RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Ann, I agree that it's good to take responsibility. However, that does not 
include giving validity to the observations of those who I think are biased 
towards me because of my upsets with RWC. And that is what I think goes on even 
to this day with some of RWC's supporters, who yes, I think are loyal to him in 
an unhealthy and unbalanced way. Hey, your post reminded me quite a lot of how 
Emily used to write to me. 





 From: awoelfleba...@yahoo.com awoelfleba...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
 


  
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:


Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me for the 
upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy 
and unbalanced way.  

Hey Share, do you think I am obsessed and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy way? If 
so, tell me why you think this. If I am not obsessed in a loyal and unhealthy 
way then what do you think would explain my difficulties with you at times? You 
have gotten oodles and oodles of feedback from lots of posters here - some who 
truly like you, some who do not and some who have pretended to like you. We all 
get feedback here, directly or indirectly, on how others see us and feel about 
our ideas. Some use sledgehammers and others use poetry to get their views 
across. What I would love to see is for you to simply take responsibility when 
it is appropriate to do that instead of 'blaming' everyone else using reasons 
like obsession or unhealthy or grudge-holding. I don't care how many 
hundreds of times you post a day, that is not the issue. What is important to 
me is your deflection, constantly, away from yourself of any real 'owning' of 
your less than positive, shall
 we say, actions and inferences. You either chalk these up to superficial 
causes like sugar or planetary influences or to other people's shortfalls. Get 
real Share, it feels good.





 From: Richard J. Williams punditster@...
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
 


  
Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an 
argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator?

Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation
  with Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start
  another fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post
  Count thread, you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does
  it say about you - it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three
  people today. LoL!

Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits
  reinstated. Go figure.


On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfriend@... wrote:

  
 
Share wrote:
(snip)

Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude 
probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. 
Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area 
before boarding and then told his wife.


Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that 
you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 
he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?

Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Not even a secondary. As I said, that is your projection. 

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

OK, so it was your SECONDARY purpose to do a gotcha. Close enough.

BTW, if you think Seraphita so often posts cool stuff, how come all you do is 
skim it? Especially when you then go on to make a detailed response?

I agree with you that she posts cool stuff. But as far as I'm concerned, that 
makes her posts deserving of the respect of careful reading and a thoughtful 
response. YMMV (and obviously does).

 Judy, my MAIN purpose was to support Seraphita who so often posts cool stuff.
 All the rest is your projection of your shadow stuff, unresolved childhood 
 stuff.
 IMO

This is just a cheap shot. We all have shadow stuff and unresolved childhood 
stuff, but some of us (like you) have way more than others. You, for example, 
have a desperate need to be accepted, as well as a compulsion to get those 
who find your pandering unwholesome, for reasons you've told us about but that 
I won't spell out here.

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Share bleated: 

 Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I
 forgot.

But wrote a detailed response involving elaborate conjectures anyway.

I'll tell you what I think your motivation was in writing the post. (It's just 
a guess, but you'll deny it even if it's correct.) I think your main purpose 
was to suggest that in asking how we knew what Bentov had been thinking, I had 
failed to consider the possibility that he had told his wife before boarding 
the plane. That attempted gotcha, I suspect, was uppermost in your mind as 
you wrote your response, and that's why you overlooked how Seraphita had 
described the incident.

In any case, it's typical of your failure to think things through before you 
make your posts, your habit of making instant connections just in order to have 
something to say, without considering whether those connections make any sense.

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Share wrote:
(snip)

Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude 
probably 
says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. 
Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area 
before boarding and then told his wife.

Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that 
you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he 
realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?

Judy, I can live with your not believing me about anything. And I see you're 
still trying to poison the well with your comment about respecting Seraphita's 
posts. I skim because I'm rushing in the morning. And so what if I have more 
stuff than others? So what?





 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
 


  
I don't believe you, Share.

And I notice you didn't respond to what I asked you. 

 Not even a secondary. As I said, that is your projection. 






 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
 


  
OK, so it was your SECONDARY purpose to do a gotcha. Close enough.

BTW, if you think Seraphita so often posts cool stuff, how come all you do is 
skim it? Especially when you then go on to make a detailed response?

I agree with you that she posts cool stuff. But as far as I'm concerned, that 
makes her posts deserving of the respect of careful reading and a thoughtful 
response. YMMV (and obviously does).

 Judy, my MAIN purpose was to support Seraphita who so often posts cool stuff.
 All the rest is your projection of your shadow stuff, unresolved childhood 
 stuff.
 IMO


This is just a cheap shot. We all have shadow stuff and unresolved 
childhood 
stuff, but some of us (like you) have way more than others. You, for example, 
have a desperate need to be accepted, as well as a compulsion to get those 
who find your pandering unwholesome, for reasons you've told us about but that 
I won't spell out here.






 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
 


  
Share bleated: 

 Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I
 forgot.

But wrote a detailed response involving elaborate conjectures anyway.

I'll tell you what I think your motivation was in writing the post. (It's just 
a guess, but you'll deny it even if it's correct.) I think your main purpose 
was to suggest that in asking how we knew what Bentov had been thinking, I had 
failed to consider the possibility that he had told his wife before boarding 
the plane. That attempted gotcha, I suspect, was uppermost in your mind as 
you wrote your response, and that's why you overlooked how Seraphita had 
described the incident.

In any case, it's typical of your failure to think things through before you 
make your posts, your habit of making instant connections just in order to have 
something to say, without considering whether those connections make any sense.







 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:52 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies
 


  
 
Share wrote:
(snip)

Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude 
probably 
says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. 
Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area 
before boarding and then told his wife.

Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that 
you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 he 
realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?

Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

Continued offenses?! Ok, Judge Dudy, now that makes me smile!

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

Actually, grudge-holding is one of Barry's little fantasies designed to 
dismiss legitimate criticism while blaming the critic (otherwise known as 
shooting the messenger). As I've pointed out before, to criticize continued 
offenses is not an indication of grudge-holding (against either Barry or 
yourself).

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

turq, ah readability, ok that's penetrating my noggin just as Xeno's post did. 
Anyway, the thing about your mighty blasts in my direction, I've never felt 
that you were holding a grudge against me. For whatever reason, that's the 
difference that makes a huge difference for me.

 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 7:09 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote:

 turq, so I guess the learning for me is how to balance 
 that being transparent with what noozguru was calling 
 having reserve. I'd call character the result of living 
 our soul more and more. I'd say that's what both Emmylou 
 and Willie do to a great extent. Thanks again for 
 posting that.

I think the point that you -- and the other poster
consistently at the top of the Post Count list --
still don't get, and still aren't willing to take
any responsibility for, is that living your soul
causes you to make *twice as many posts* as anyone
else on the forum. 

You both seem to react as if this is your right,
and has no impact on anyone else, or on the overall
readability of the group as a whole. 

THIS is what I was getting at in my STFU post. That
and the constant need (on both sides) to defend
yourselves against perceived affronts, and turn 
them into multi-post threads *that no one is inter-
ested in except yourselves*. Just sayin'...

RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia (musings about outlaws)

Very cool, turq, but about Rule #4, yeah maybe Star Wars isn't cute overall, 
but you gotta admit that those Ewoks of Endor were pretty darn cute. As well as 
being good fighters. And who doesn't think R2D2 wasn't cute sometimes?! 

 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 4:31 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cafe Nostalgia (musings about outlaws)

Here's a related (at least in my mind) treat. It's a marvelously 
creative animated open letter to J. J. Abrams telling him how 
not to screw up the future movies in the Star Wars franchise 
the way he and others have screwed them up in the past. And
the rules these fans propose are both brilliant and right on.
Star Wars is a Western, and it's about outlaws just gettin'
by out on the frontier. Mess that up, and you mess up the
whole concept. 

http://io9.com/a-beautifully-animated-open-letter-to-j-j-abrams-about-1397273170

Following these simple rules is what made Star Wars work
originally, and it's what made Firefly work. Heck, these rules
were even what made the original Japanese film that Star Wars
ripped off (The Hidden Fortress) work; that was an outlaw
story, too. 

Mess with outlaws at your peril...

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:

  that's excellent tho I prefer the Willie Nelson version

 Willie actually got the song from Emmylou, not from Townes
 Van Zandt directly, and then recorded it in a very popular
 version with Merle Haggard. He tells the story of that discovery
 (and performs the song with Emmylou) here. Their version was
 excellent, partly because both Willie and Merle are such
 outlaws themselves.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uIUe8iQPM0 

   From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 2:31 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Cafe Nostalgia

  It was probably the use of Marty Robbins' El Paso in the final
 episode of Breaking Bad that got me thinking about it, but ever since
 I've been on kind of a music kick, finding and listening to classic
 outlaw songs. El Paso is obviously one of the greats in that category,
 but it's another old outlaw song that's stuck in my head tonight, and
 it's even brought back some pleasant memories about my time in the TM
 movement, so I'll share them with you.

  Back in early 1977, when I first heard the song, I was living at the
 TM National Headquarters at the end of Sunset Blvd. I was working there
 as personnel director for a few months before my Sidhis course, and
 lived on the premises in one of the rooms (it was formerly a motel, for
 those of you who never went there). It was a cool place to live -- a
 block from the beach, next door to the Yogananda Lake Shrine -- and even
 though I was making shit money I was earning precious (at the time)
 course credits, so I made the best of living there.

  It was there I first heard Emmylou Harris' version of a great Townes
 Van Sandt outlaw song called Pancho and Lefty. I remember listening to
 it one night with my girlfriend, who I had had to sneak into my room,
 the both of us feeling very much like outlaws ourselves for having  sex
 there in the TM National Headquarters.Â  :-)

  Anyway, it's a great song, and listening to it again in a Paris cafe
 -- all these years later -- I still love it. I also love -- all these
 years later -- still feeling like an outlaw.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3LQeRqTBK4

Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

The nastier an RWC supporter is towards me, and yesterday's posts to Seraphita 
were IMO some of the nastiest ever, the more I think they are loyal to RWC in 
an unhealthy way.

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:03 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Notice that Share didn't respond to Ann's request for her to say why she thinks 
Ann is obsessed and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy way.

Share is grasping at straws with this RWC business. If she can pin the 
criticisms of herself to her upsets with Robin last year, it enables her to 
maintain (falsely) that nothing she has done since has deserved criticism.

But then--opsie!--there's Barry's SHUT THE FUCK UP post to Share of 
mid-August. Unfortunately that can't be pinned to Share's disgraceful treatment 
of Robin last year, given Barry's obvious loathing of the man.

Bottom line, to try to blame that incident for the criticism of Share a year 
later (and regularly in between) is exactly what Ann is talking about when she 
points to how Share consistently avoids taking responsibility for her behavior, 
instead seeking to put the blame on her critics (or other innocuous incidentals 
like too much sugar).

 Ann, I agree that it's good to take responsibility. However, that does not 
include
 giving validity to the observations of those who I think are biased towards me
 because of my upsets with RWC. And that is what I think goes on even to this
 day with some of RWC's supporters, who yes, I think are loyal to him in an
 unhealthy and unbalanced way. Hey, your post reminded me quite a lot of how
 Emily used to write to me. 

 From: awoelflebater@... awoelflebater@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me for the 
upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy 
and unbalanced way.  

Hey Share, do you think I am obsessed and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy way? If 
so, tell me why you think this. If I am not obsessed in a loyal and unhealthy 
way then what do you think would explain my difficulties with you at times? You 
have gotten oodles and oodles of feedback from lots of posters here - some who 
truly like you, some who do not and some who have pretended to like you. We all 
get feedback here, directly or indirectly, on how others see us and feel about 
our ideas. Some use sledgehammers and others use poetry to get their views 
across. What I would love to see is for you to simply take responsibility when 
it is appropriate to do that instead of 'blaming' everyone else using reasons 
like obsession or unhealthy or grudge-holding. I don't care how many 
hundreds of times you post a day, that is not the issue. What is important to 
me is your deflection, constantly, away from yourself of any real 'owning' of 
your less than positive, shall
 we say, actions and inferences. You either chalk these up to superficial 
causes like sugar or planetary influences or to other people's shortfalls. Get 
real Share, it feels good.

 From: Richard J. Williams punditster@...
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into an 
argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator?

Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation
  with Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start
  another fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post
  Count thread, you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does
  it say about you - it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three
  people today. LoL!

Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits
  reinstated. Go figure.

On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfriend@... wrote:

Share wrote:
(snip)

Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we conclude 
probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it does about Bentov. 
Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura situation in the waiting area 
before boarding and then told his wife.

Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about you that 
you ignored what she wrote (as he was boarding American Airlines Flight 191 
he realised that no one on the plane had an aura)?

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC


 But I have to ask: why do they continue to be SO upset about it.

Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?

You have to realize Share, is that this is probably about as close as it 
gets to spiritual practice for some of the informants posting here.


Not everyone has the opportunity to engage in spiritual pursuits 
anymore. These days, the spiritual program gets almost eliminated 
entirely, except for posting messages to an online chat site like Yahoo 
FFL. Go figure.


That's just about it - a few one liners posted to the top or the bottom 
of a spiritual discussion group before, during or after work. Obviously 
they couldn't be practicing yoga, meditating, or even doing much work if 
they're already tuned in to the internet by 8:00 AM and posting at their 
place of their employ. Go figure.


Also, you need to realize that not everyone has is able to meditate in a 
dome every day and to associate with people that practice the same kind 
of meditation we do. You are very fortunate to be living close to a 
spiritual meditation hall,


If you're living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon, you 
probably couldn't even find a GNC health food store in a shopping center 
strip mall. If you lived in a big city like up in Boise or Rapid City, 
you could at least visit a Whole Foods Market. Otherwise about all you 
can do is take a walk in the woods or look up at the sky at night and 
admire the stars.


From what I've read here, most of the respondents don't live within a 
thousand miles of a golden dome of pure knowledge, a Buddhist stupa, a 
yoga ashram. or even a yoga studio down town. Is there anyone here that 
can hold a yoga pose?


Maybe they are jus jellos.

Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. So in a 
way, we are helping people all the time just by being on the spiritual 
path and posting to FFL, top or bottom. LoL!


On 10/2/2013 6:46 AM, Share Long wrote:
Xeno, just using simple logic, I'd speculate that a fully perceptive 
person would label me as being like everyone else, a mix of developed 
and undeveloped aspects; that my basic motive is the same basic motive 
that propels all humans, to live more fully. My question is how would 
a fully perceptive person behave given that we're all in this together.


There is a phenomenon in psychology called the Anniversary Effect or 
the Anniversary Reaction. It can be conscious or unconscious. 
Yesterday was the one year anniversary of my accusing RWC of pr. My 
guess is that RWC's supporters were consciously or unconsciously 
reacting to what was an upsetting event for them.


But I have to ask: why do they continue to be SO upset about it. My 
conclusion is unresolved issues from childhood are at work. AND, 
projecting a lot of their shadow about RWC onto me. Otherwise they 
would have moved on from this dynamic long ago. IMO.


*From:* anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:03 PM
*Subject:* RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 
28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC


AUTHFRIEND WROTE:

Share's true motives have been evident to halfway-perceptive
people for a long time, actually. Unfortunately that doesn't
include Share (or Steve, for that matter). It isn't Seraphita's
fault that she hasn't seen the full picture yet; she hasn't been
here as a regular for long enough.

The question that could be asked here is, what would be evident to 
fully-perceptive people in this same situation, now that you 
halfway-perceptives have nailed Share's true motives? [Note: 
prevaricators' intrusions into my point here, under the guise of 
'comments', is ill advised for integrity reasons]

Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

So, now it's all about Share. This has got to be some kind of FFL record 
- it only took an hour for this thread to head down hill. Go figure.


On 10/2/2013 10:22 AM, awoelfleba...@yahoo.com wrote:




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
wrote:


Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me 
for the upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC 
in an unhealthy and unbalanced way.


Hey Share, do you think I am obsessed and loyal to RWC in an unhealthy 
way? If so, tell me why you think this. If I am not obsessed in a 
loyal and unhealthy way then what do you think would explain my 
difficulties with you at times? You have gotten oodles and oodles of 
feedback from lots of posters here - some who truly like you, some who 
do not and some who have pretended to like you. We all get feedback 
here, directly or indirectly, on how others see us and feel about our 
ideas. Some use sledgehammers and others use poetry to get their views 
across. What I would love to see is for you to simply take 
responsibility when it is appropriate to do that instead of 'blaming' 
everyone else using reasons like obsession or unhealthy or 
grudge-holding. I don't care how many hundreds of times you post a 
day, that is not the issue. What is important to me is your 
deflection, constantly, away from yourself of any real 'owning' of 
your less than positive, shall we say, actions and inferences. You 
either chalk these up to superficial causes like sugar or planetary 
influences or to other people's shortfalls. Get real Share, it feels good.




*From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@...
*To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into 
an argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator?


Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation with 
Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start another 
fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post Count thread, 
you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does it say about you - 
it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three people today. LoL!


Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits reinstated. Go 
figure.


On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfriend@... mailto:authfriend@... wrote:


Share wrote:
(snip)
Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we 
conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it 
does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura 
situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife.


Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about 
you that you ignored what she wrote (*as he was boarding* American 
Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one *on the plane* had an aura)?







.

Judy, your parroting some of what Xeno and turq have said to me does not make 
your observations or suggestions more valid to me. IMO they are coming from a 
more neutral place with regards to me.

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the 
skies

You obviously had time to write a detailed response to the post of Seraphita's 
you say you just skimmed because you were rushing, Share, so that claim 
doesn't hold much water.

As to your having more stuff than others, it's what compels you to spew umpty 
posts with almost no content, including your pandering posts and your feeble 
attempts at gotcha posts, as well as your inability to take responsibility 
for your behavior.

Suggestion: If you must read FFL before you bop off to the domes (hardly, I 
should think, a good preparation for settling down to experience silence), save 
your responses for when you get back and are no longer in a rush, so you have 
time to put some thought into them (and read what you're responding to with 
sustained attention).

That's a good prescription for whatever the time of day is, BTW. You really do 
not need to post every stray thought that enters your mind. In fact, you'll get 
more of the attention and approval you so crave, and less of the criticism you 
so fear, if you make fewer, better posts.

Also, most of us don't feel the need to proffer extravagant thanks for every 
post we appreciate, nor do the folks who make such posts expect it. Save the 
accolades for the really good ones, maybe the best one of the day after you've 
read them all. Then perhaps your appreciation will count for something.

There are many other ways you could mitigate the negative effects on FFL of 
your excess of stuff, but the above will do for now.

Judy, I can live with your not believing me about anything. And I see you're 
still trying to poison the well with your comment about respecting Seraphita's 
posts. I skim because I'm rushing in the morning. And so what if I have more 
stuff than others? So what?

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:40 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

I don't believe you, Share.

And I notice you didn't respond to what I asked you. 

 Not even a secondary. As I said, that is your projection. 

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 10:30 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

OK, so it was your SECONDARY purpose to do a gotcha. Close enough.

BTW, if you think Seraphita so often posts cool stuff, how come all you do is 
skim it? Especially when you then go on to make a detailed response?

I agree with you that she posts cool stuff. But as far as I'm concerned, that 
makes her posts deserving of the respect of careful reading and a thoughtful 
response. YMMV (and obviously does).

 Judy, my MAIN purpose was to support Seraphita who so often posts cool 
 stuff.
 All the rest is your projection of your shadow stuff, unresolved childhood 
 stuff.
 IMO

This is just a cheap shot. We all have shadow stuff and unresolved 
childhood 
stuff, but some of us (like you) have way more than others. You, for example, 
have a desperate need to be accepted, as well as a compulsion to get those 
who find your pandering unwholesome, for reasons you've told us about but that 
I won't spell out here.

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 9:51 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Share bleated: 

 Seraphita, just so you know, I didn't ignore what you wrote. I skimmed and I
 forgot.

But wrote a detailed response involving elaborate conjectures anyway.

I'll tell you what I think your motivation was in writing the post. (It's just 
a guess, but you'll deny it even if it's correct.) I think your main purpose 
was to suggest that in asking how we knew what Bentov had been thinking, I had 
failed to consider the possibility that he had told his wife before boarding 
the plane. That attempted gotcha, I suspect, was uppermost in your mind as 
you wrote your response, and that's why you overlooked how Seraphita had 
described the incident.

In any case, it's typical of your failure to think things through before you 
make your posts, your habit of making instant connections just in order to 
have something to say, without considering whether those connections make any 
sense.

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To:

Richard, Dr. Pete is wisely staying away. As for me, I'm helping with autumn 
Dome cleaning this afternoon. Just for fun, go figure (-:

 From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
To: Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 00:15:03 UTC

 But I have to ask: why do they continue to be SO upset about it.

Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?

You have to realize Share, is that this is probably about as close
  as it gets to spiritual practice for some of the informants
  posting here. 

Not everyone has the opportunity to engage in spiritual pursuits
  anymore. These days, the spiritual program gets almost eliminated
  entirely, except for posting messages to an online chat site like
  Yahoo FFL. Go figure.

That's just about it - a few one liners posted to the top or the
  bottom of a spiritual discussion group before, during or after
  work. Obviously they couldn't be practicing yoga, meditating, or
  even doing much work if they're already tuned in to the internet
  by 8:00 AM and posting at their place of their employ. Go figure.

Also, you need to realize that not everyone has is able to
  meditate in a dome every day and to associate with people that
  practice the same kind of meditation we do. You are very fortunate
  to be living close to a spiritual meditation hall,

If you're living out in the back of beyond on the road to Erewhon,
  you probably couldn't even find a GNC health food store in a
  shopping center strip mall. If you lived in a big city like up in
  Boise or Rapid City, you could at least visit a Whole Foods
  Market. Otherwise about all you can do is take a walk in the woods
  or look up at the sky at night and admire the stars. 

From what I've read here, most of the respondents don't live
  within a thousand miles of a golden dome of pure knowledge, a
  Buddhist stupa, a yoga ashram. or even a yoga studio down town. Is
  there anyone here that can hold a yoga pose?

Maybe they are jus jellos. 

Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to. So
  in a way, we are helping people all the time just by being on the
  spiritual path and posting to FFL, top or bottom. LoL!

On 10/2/2013 6:46 AM, Share Long wrote:

Xeno, just using simple logic, I'd speculate that a fully perceptive person 
would label me as being like everyone else, a mix of developed and undeveloped 
aspects; that my basic motive is the same basic motive that propels all 
humans, to live more fully. My question is how would a fully perceptive person 
behave given that we're all in this together.

There is a phenomenon in psychology called the Anniversary Effect or the 
Anniversary Reaction. It can be conscious or unconscious. Yesterday was the 
one year anniversary of my accusing RWC of pr. My guess is that RWC's 
supporters were consciously or unconsciously reacting to what was an upsetting 
event for them. 

But I have to ask: why do they continue to be SO
  upset about it. My conclusion is unresolved issues
  from childhood are at work. AND, projecting a lot
  of their shadow about RWC onto me. Otherwise they
  would have moved on from this dynamic long ago.
  IMO.

 From: anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 1, 2013 10:03 PM
Subject: RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Post Count Sat 28-Sep-13 
00:15:03 UTC

AUTHFRIEND WROTE:
Share's true motives have been evident to halfway-perceptive people for a 
long time, actually. Unfortunately that doesn't include Share (or Steve, for 
that matter). It isn't Seraphita's fault that she hasn't seen the full picture 
yet; she hasn't been here as a regular for long enough.
The question that could be asked here is, what would be evident to 
fully-perceptive people in this same situation, now that you 
halfway-perceptives have nailed Share's true motives? [Note: prevaricators' 
intrusions into my point here, under the guise of 'comments', is ill advised 
for integrity reasons]

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Judy, I don't think the views of Xeno or turq or noozguru spring from the same 
prejudice towards me as yours do and therefore they are not similar at all. 
Except that you've parroted them.

 From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for 
the skies

Actually I haven't parroted anything they've said to you. Sorry, but what I 
wrote happens to be my own thoughts about you. But it's certainly interesting 
that all three of us have similar views, isn't it? Especially since we don't 
agree on much of anything else?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Judy, your parroting some of what Xeno and turq have said to me does not make 
your observations or suggestions more valid to me. IMO they are coming from a 
more neutral place with regards to me.

 From: authfriend@... authfriend@...
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the 
skies

You obviously had time to write a detailed response to the post of Seraphita's 
you say you just skimmed because you were rushing, Share, so that claim 
doesn't hold much water.

As to your having more stuff than others, it's what compels you to spew umpty 
posts with almost no content, including your pandering posts and your feeble 
attempts at gotcha posts, as well as your inability to take responsibility 
for your behavior.

Suggestion: If you must read FFL before you bop off to the domes (hardly, I 
should think, a good preparation for settling down to experience silence), save 
your responses for when you get back and are no longer in a rush, so you have 
time to put some thought into them (and read what you're responding to with 
sustained attention).

That's a good prescription for whatever the time of day is, BTW. You really do 
not need to post every stray thought that enters your mind. In fact, you'll get 
more of the attention and approval you so crave, and less of the criticism you 
so fear, if you make fewer, better posts.

Also, most of us don't feel the need to proffer extravagant thanks for every 
post we appreciate, nor do the folks who make such posts expect it. Save the 
accolades for the really good ones, maybe the best one of the day after you've 
read them all. Then perhaps your appreciation will count for something.

There are many other ways you could mitigate the negative effects on FFL of 
your excess of stuff, but the above will do for now.

Judy, I can live with your not believing me about anything. And I see you're 
still trying to poison the well with your comment about respecting Seraphita's 
posts. I skim because I'm rushing in the morning. And so what if I have more 
stuff than others? So what?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Maybe they are just JELLOS. It looks like this thread is going down the 
rabbit hole too. Go figure.



On 10/2/2013 9:30 AM, Share Long wrote:
Richard, like I said to Xeno, some RWC supporters are still mad at me 
for the upsets RWC and I had. Some are obsessed IMO and loyal to RWC 
in an unhealthy and unbalanced way.




*From:* Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com
*To:* Richard J. Williams FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2013 8:20 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Itzhak Bentov reaches for the skies

Does every message posted to this discussion group have to turn into 
an argument with you? Are you the new FFL moderator?


Is it alright with you Judy, if I have a one minute conversation with 
Share - just one minute- without you butting in to start another 
fight. You'd think that after thirty posts on the Post Count thread, 
you'd have said all you need to. I mean, what does it say about you - 
it's only 8:00 AM and you already slammed three people today. LoL!


Sometimes I get the feeling you want the posting limits reinstated. Go 
figure.


On 10/2/2013 7:52 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com 
mailto:authfri...@yahoo.com wrote:

Share wrote:
(snip)
Seraphita, in this case, with so many unknown variables, what we 
conclude probably says more about ourselves and our beliefs than it 
does about Bentov. Theoretically Bentov could have seen the no aura 
situation in the waiting area before boarding and then told his wife.


Not if it happened as Seraphita described it. What does it say about 
you that you ignored what she wrote (*as he was boarding* American 
Airlines Flight 191 he realised that no one *on the plane* had an aura)?

I know that some have a kind of reverence for the Laws Of Nature. They
tend to view them *as* Laws, and so sacrosanct that Bad Things Will
Happen To You If You Violate Them.

I don't see them that way. I see them the same way I see the laws of
men. That is, as a conceptual framework, within which to exercise one's
free will.

That's the way physical, lawbreakin' outlaws view the laws of men. They
know they're there, and that there may be consequences for violating
them, but they're willing to bet on that may be. They exercise their
free will, roll the dice, and see what happens.

As we can all tell just by looking at the headlines and around us in
daily life, the Bad Things that will supposed;y occur if people break
the laws of men don't always happen. At least within the outlaw's
lifetime, which is the only one we know fersure exists. So some of the
outlaws who broke the law skate away Scot-free. They rolled the dice and
won, at least from a being-punished-for-violating-the-laws-of-men point
of view.

Looking back on my life, I've heard a LOT about the supposed
higher-level Laws Of Nature, and how Bad Things Will Happen To You If
You Violate Them. Such beliefs are legion in the TMO, and in many other
spiritual trips. It is not hyperbole to suggest that *many* people on
this planet 1) are convinced that these Laws Of Nature exist, and 2) are
convinced that they 'know' what these Laws Of Nature are.

Me, I'm convinced of neither. As to whether a fixed and universal set of
Laws Of Nature exist, I am an agnostic. As to whether *anyone* on this
planet 'knows' what the Laws Of Nature actually *are* if they do exist,
I am an atheist.

And so I've always lived my life as an outlaw. I roll the dice.

Sure, I pay heed to a few of the things that those who claim to 'know'
would call Laws Of Nature, as applied to human behavior. I try not to
kill people and shit like that. But many of the other things they claim
are inviolable Laws Of Nature I roll the dice on. I trust my own
intuition, and occasionally violate them.

If the 'knowers' tell me, for example, that certain behaviors definitely
violate the Laws Of Nature and would be Bad -- behaviors such as being
gay, not meditating, thinking or speaking ill of a guru, or entering a
building from the wrong direction -- I'm more likely to treat them as
the crazy people they are, rather than pay heed to their warnings. I
ignore them completely and make my own decisions. In doing this, I am
willing to bet on my intuition and my life experience and roll the dice.

Is that Bad?

:-)


http://digboston.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Eagles-Desperado.jpg
http://digboston.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Eagles-Desperado.jpg

It's probably only a law of nature from which all other laws spring.  
Explained to simple people with the concept of God which of course 
became perverted into all kinds of nonsense.  It's like the overtone 
series from a fundamental tone on a bass string.  Or just think of it as 
fractals which means we're all just fractals. :-D


On 10/02/2013 11:16 AM, jr_...@yahoo.com wrote:


 Barry,


Some times we wonder if you think before you type your ideas on the 
computer.  Isn't there a law of nature that governs the structure of 
the atom and the subparticles that are contained within which cannot 
be seen by human eyes?



If you split the atom, as in violating the law of nature, you get a 
big explosion like the atomic bomb that was dropped in Hiroshima and 
Nagasaki.





---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:

I know that some have a kind of reverence for the Laws Of Nature. They 
tend to view them *as* Laws, and so sacrosanct that Bad Things Will 
Happen To You If You Violate Them.


I don't see them that way. I see them the same way I see the laws of 
men. That is, as a conceptual framework, within which to exercise 
one's free will.


That's the way physical, lawbreakin' outlaws view the laws of men. 
They know they're there, and that there may be consequences for 
violating them, but they're willing to bet on that may be. They 
exercise their free will, roll the dice, and see what happens.


As we can all tell just by looking at the headlines and around us in 
daily life, the Bad Things that will supposed;y occur if people break 
the laws of men don't always happen. At least within the outlaw's 
lifetime, which is the only one we know fersure exists. So some of the 
outlaws who broke the law skate away Scot-free. They rolled the dice 
and won, at least from a being-punished-for-violating-the-laws-of-men 
point of view.


Looking back on my life, I've heard a LOT about the supposed 
higher-level Laws Of Nature, and how Bad Things Will Happen To You If 
You Violate Them. Such beliefs are legion in the TMO, and in many 
other spiritual trips. It is not hyperbole to suggest that *many* 
people on this planet 1) are convinced that these Laws Of Nature 
exist, and 2) are convinced that they 'know' what these Laws Of Nature 
are.


Me, I'm convinced of neither. As to whether a fixed and universal set 
of Laws Of Nature exist, I am an agnostic. As to whether *anyone* on 
this planet 'knows' what the Laws Of Nature actually *are* if they do 
exist, I am an atheist.


And so I've always lived my life as an outlaw. I roll the dice.

Sure, I pay heed to a few of the things that those who claim to 'know' 
would call Laws Of Nature, as applied to human behavior. I try not to 
kill people and shit like that. But many of the other things they 
claim are inviolable Laws Of Nature I roll the dice on. I trust my own 
intuition, and occasionally violate them.


If the 'knowers' tell me, for example, that certain behaviors 
definitely violate the Laws Of Nature and would be Bad -- behaviors 
such as being gay, not meditating, thinking or speaking ill of a guru, 
or entering a building from the wrong direction -- I'm more likely to 
treat them as the crazy people they are, rather than pay heed to their 
warnings. I ignore them completely and make my own decisions. In doing 
this, I am willing to bet on my intuition and my life experience and 
roll the dice.


Is that Bad?

:-)


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[FairfieldLife] RE: Does this Guy Look Like Frank Sinatra or What?

2013-10-02 Thread s3raphita

Re: [FairfieldLife] One Outlaw's View Of The Laws Of Nature

Whut about them fellers who sold pot to git enuff munny to git to TTC, then 
slipped, fell and got a broke laig when they wuz gittin' on tha plane?

Seems like I heard something about not speaking ill of the guru - oh lawdy 
mercy! I am in for some bad karmy for sayin' Marshy wuz an Old Goat, among 
other things. 

But one would assume the guru would have to be enlightened, ergo, to be a real 
and true guru for that kinder thang to happen. Not one who lied, took money 
under false pretenses and manipulated folks to a fair-thee-well among other 
enormities.

But if the guru was actually enlightened, then they, being manifestations of 
the Absolute, wouldn't be affected by what anyone said about them, nor would 
they care, so I'm good either way.





 From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:04 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] One Outlaw's View Of The Laws Of Nature
 


  
I know that some have a kind of reverence for the Laws Of Nature. They tend to 
view them *as* Laws, and so sacrosanct that Bad Things Will Happen To You If 
You Violate Them. 

I don't see them that way. I see them the same way I see the laws of men. That 
is, as a conceptual framework, within which to exercise one's free will. 

That's the way physical, lawbreakin' outlaws view the laws of men. They know 
they're there, and that there may be consequences for violating them, but 
they're willing to bet on that may be. They exercise their free will, roll 
the dice, and see what happens. 

As we can all tell just by looking at the headlines and around us in daily 
life, the Bad Things that will supposed;y occur if people break the laws of men 
don't always happen. At least within the outlaw's lifetime, which is the only 
one we know fersure exists. So some of the outlaws who broke the law skate away 
Scot-free. They rolled the dice and won, at least from a 
being-punished-for-violating-the-laws-of-men point of view. 

Looking back on my life, I've heard a LOT about the supposed higher-level Laws 
Of Nature, and how Bad Things Will Happen To You If You Violate Them. Such 
beliefs are legion in the TMO, and in many other spiritual trips. It is not 
hyperbole to suggest that *many* people on this planet 1) are convinced that 
these Laws Of Nature exist, and 2) are convinced that they 'know' what these 
Laws Of Nature are. 

Me, I'm convinced of neither. As to whether a fixed and universal set of Laws 
Of Nature exist, I am an agnostic. As to whether *anyone* on this planet 
'knows' what the Laws Of Nature actually *are* if they do exist, I am an 
atheist. 

And so I've always lived my life as an outlaw. I roll the dice. 

Sure, I pay heed to a few of the things that those who claim to 'know' would 
call Laws Of Nature, as applied to human behavior. I try not to kill people and 
shit like that. But many of the other things they claim are inviolable Laws Of 
Nature I roll the dice on. I trust my own intuition, and occasionally violate 
them. 

If the 'knowers' tell me, for example, that certain behaviors definitely 
violate the Laws Of Nature and would be Bad -- behaviors such as being gay, not 
meditating, thinking or speaking ill of a guru, or entering a building from the 
wrong direction -- I'm more likely to treat them as the crazy people they are, 
rather than pay heed to their warnings. I ignore them completely and make my 
own decisions. In doing this, I am willing to bet on my intuition and my life 
experience and roll the dice.

Is that Bad?

:-)


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[FairfieldLife] RE: The Future is Clear

2013-10-02 Thread punditster

Re: [FairfieldLife] One Outlaw's View Of The Laws Of Nature


Is this the point where you fink on the pot sellers? Go figure.


On 10/2/2013 2:31 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
Whut about them fellers who sold pot to git enuff munny to git to TTC, 
then slipped, fell and got a broke laig when they wuz gittin' on tha 
plane?


Seems like I heard something about not speaking ill of the guru - oh 
lawdy mercy! I am in for some bad karmy for sayin' Marshy wuz an Old 
Goat, among other things.


But one would assume the guru would have to be enlightened, ergo, to 
be a real and true guru for that kinder thang to happen. Not one who 
lied, took money under false pretenses and manipulated folks to a 
fair-thee-well among other enormities.


But if the guru was actually enlightened, then they, being 
manifestations of the Absolute, wouldn't be affected by what anyone 
said about them, nor would they care, so I'm good either way.




*From:* turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2013 2:04 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] One Outlaw's View Of The Laws Of Nature

I know that some have a kind of reverence for the Laws Of Nature. They 
tend to view them *as* Laws, and so sacrosanct that Bad Things Will 
Happen To You If You Violate Them.


I don't see them that way. I see them the same way I see the laws of 
men. That is, as a conceptual framework, within which to exercise 
one's free will.


That's the way physical, lawbreakin' outlaws view the laws of men. 
They know they're there, and that there may be consequences for 
violating them, but they're willing to bet on that may be. They 
exercise their free will, roll the dice, and see what happens.


As we can all tell just by looking at the headlines and around us in 
daily life, the Bad Things that will supposed;y occur if people break 
the laws of men don't always happen. At least within the outlaw's 
lifetime, which is the only one we know fersure exists. So some of the 
outlaws who broke the law skate away Scot-free. They rolled the dice 
and won, at least from a being-punished-for-violating-the-laws-of-men 
point of view.


Looking back on my life, I've heard a LOT about the supposed 
higher-level Laws Of Nature, and how Bad Things Will Happen To You If 
You Violate Them. Such beliefs are legion in the TMO, and in many 
other spiritual trips. It is not hyperbole to suggest that *many* 
people on this planet 1) are convinced that these Laws Of Nature 
exist, and 2) are convinced that they 'know' what these Laws Of Nature 
are.


Me, I'm convinced of neither. As to whether a fixed and universal set 
of Laws Of Nature exist, I am an agnostic. As to whether *anyone* on 
this planet 'knows' what the Laws Of Nature actually *are* if they do 
exist, I am an atheist.


And so I've always lived my life as an outlaw. I roll the dice.

Sure, I pay heed to a few of the things that those who claim to 'know' 
would call Laws Of Nature, as applied to human behavior. I try not to 
kill people and shit like that. But many of the other things they 
claim are inviolable Laws Of Nature I roll the dice on. I trust my own 
intuition, and occasionally violate them.


If the 'knowers' tell me, for example, that certain behaviors 
definitely violate the Laws Of Nature and would be Bad -- behaviors 
such as being gay, not meditating, thinking or speaking ill of a guru, 
or entering a building from the wrong direction -- I'm more likely to 
treat them as the crazy people they are, rather than pay heed to their 
warnings. I ignore them completely and make my own decisions. In doing 
this, I am willing to bet on my intuition and my life experience and 
roll the dice.


Is that Bad?

:-)


http://digboston.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Eagles-Desperado.jpg

Re: [FairfieldLife] One Outlaw's View Of The Laws Of Nature