[FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
[FairfieldLife] Hebrew vs. Sanskrit!
At this point I'd say that Hebrew is a more mystical language whereas Sanskrit is a more logical and scientific one!
[FairfieldLife] Upside down: 200K euros (~ 275K USD)!
Man played Keno some ten years using approximately the same numbers (max 10 outta 70). Then he decided to turn the coupon upside down before filling it: jackpot 200K euros! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keno http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keno
[FairfieldLife] Apple started to rot??
Have this problem with my brand new iPod touch: Level 1 (0 points) phialv https://discussions.apple.com/people/phialv Re: apple id disabled https://discussions.apple.com/message/21518447#21518447 Mar 15, 2013 10:07 AM (in response to carpy50 https://discussions.apple.com/message/21043786#21043786) I have had this problem for a week, since iTunes removed an incorrect charge on my iTunes account. In the process, they disabled my Apple ID and Apple Support has not restored it. On a daily basis, I have contacted support by e-mail and each time they told me to call Apple Support. Each evening, I have spent about 30 minutes on the phone with Apple Support, resetting my password, resetting my account questions, etc., and each time it has failed. (Yesterday, after one such failure, the Apple Support rep suggested that I try it again in two hours, as if a miracle would somehow occur during that time.) After each failure, I've e-mailed customer support and been told to call Apple Support. I am REALLY tired of repeatedly trying to fix iTunes mistakes. This has impacted my MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPad and Apple TV. How does one get iTunes to fix the problem they created instead of asking me to repeat the same failed procedure over and over again? (If it makes a difference, the error is Apple ID is disabled NOT Apple ID is disabled for security reasons.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hebrew vs. Sanskrit!
Card, can you give a word or phrase that is an example of this? On Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:13 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: At this point I'd say that Hebrew is a more mystical language whereas Sanskrit is a more logical and scientific one!
[FairfieldLife] RE: Apple started to rot??
Vwhans https://discussions.apple.com/people/Vwhans Re: apple id disabled https://discussions.apple.com/message/21539117#21539117 Mar 17, 2013 4:35 PM (in response to carpy50 https://discussions.apple.com/message/21043786#21043786) I got mine to work. Called apple support 800-275-2273. Told them the issue started after having my credit card double charged while paying for something through iTunes. They asked me my security questions. Then they asked for the Order ID of the problem transaction with iTunes. I found this in the email I received for the iTunes purchase. Bam! Fixed. Took about 20 min. Make sure you have resolved the charge dispute with your credit card company first! Hope this helps. Like (3 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4747354#) https://discussions.apple.com/people/phialvLevel 1 (0 points) phialv https://discussions.apple.com/people/phialv Re: apple id disabled https://discussions.apple.com/message/21539702#21539702 Mar 17, 2013 6:05 PM (in response to Vwhans https://discussions.apple.com/message/21539117#21539117) Hi, Thanks, I managed to get this resolved Friday evening during a one-hour conference call with Apple support and Apple security. However, this was the fourth time I called them and it only happened then because I explained everything, over and over again in several e-mail messages. I think the people at Apple are trained to assume that they're right, the customer is wrong, and the customer has to follow their prescribed protocol to resolve matters. It was only by doing this four times without success that they were willing to look into their records and find that, yes indeed, they were the ones who started the mess with an incorrect bill and then corrected it by disabling my ID. If iTunes did not have an iron-clad monopoly on all Apple product services, they wouldn't survive with this kind of marketing practice. They actually make a good case for jail breaking Apple products to avoid this kind of thing. Take care. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Have this problem with my brand new iPod touch: Level 1 (0 points) phialv https://discussions.apple.com/people/phialv Re: apple id disabled https://discussions.apple.com/message/21518447#21518447 Mar 15, 2013 10:07 AM (in response to carpy50 https://discussions.apple.com/message/21043786#21043786) I have had this problem for a week, since iTunes removed an incorrect charge on my iTunes account. In the process, they disabled my Apple ID and Apple Support has not restored it. On a daily basis, I have contacted support by e-mail and each time they told me to call Apple Support. Each evening, I have spent about 30 minutes on the phone with Apple Support, resetting my password, resetting my account questions, etc., and each time it has failed. (Yesterday, after one such failure, the Apple Support rep suggested that I try it again in two hours, as if a miracle would somehow occur during that time.) After each failure, I've e-mailed customer support and been told to call Apple Support. I am REALLY tired of repeatedly trying to fix iTunes mistakes. This has impacted my MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPad and Apple TV. How does one get iTunes to fix the problem they created instead of asking me to repeat the same failed procedure over and over again? (If it makes a difference, the error is Apple ID is disabled NOT Apple ID is disabled for security reasons.)
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
Seraphita, I could see that the serpent could also be a symbol of kundalini, an essential concept from another religion. It's not that God wants to enslave us. It's that people with certain ideas about God want to enslave us. They want us to believe their ideas rather than the ideas of other religions. To give them their due, they probably think their ideas are right and that they're doing unbelievers a favor. On Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:54 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: Re And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). : Precisely! Man didn't die so God was telling porkies! (Spare me the bollocks of saying man dying spiritually.) The early Gnostics were right in seeing the Serpent as the true friend of mankind. The Serpent wanted us to see that we are immortal (we're *really* the One Self - Christ Consciousness) but God wants us to remain slaves. Of course, we're using mythological language here, but the God of present-day Christians still doesn't want people to become seers - ie, those who see clearly. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote: The Fall of Man myth is a universal story that teaches by means of a confidence trick. And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live for ever... therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden ... (Genesis 3:22-3). And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). Clearly, humankind did not die on that day of the Fall, but instead became mortal. We can see how the creation of man from clay, as related in the Jehovistic account of Genesis, belonged to one branch of the world's universal clay-man myths springing from Southeast Asia. According to Oppenhiemer: In these stories a malign creature, originally either a devil or snake, interfered with the attempted animation of the clay models by the creator. A a clear reference to human creation is in the Austronesian cultures of Southeast Asia as totemic props for mythic drama (Oppenheimer 356). Work Cited: Eden in the East The Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia. By Stephen Oppenheimer, M.D. Phoenix 1998 p. 355-382 On 10/19/2013 2:14 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, do other cultures have a myth about the fall of humanity that centers around acquiring some forbidden knowledge? And in other cultures is the fall blamed on the women? On Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:04 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@... wrote: It seems obvious that the stories and myths gathered in the Bible were assembled from immortality and fertility myths which were in common circulation at that time, that is, about 3000 years ago. Stephen Oppenheimer, writing in Eden in the East notes that many of these same mythic elements are still to be found in lands stretching from Egypt to India, Southwest Asia, Melanesia, and America. This Levantine creation myth is closely allied to other older myths concerning creation, and as Harris points out, every known culture expresses social values and religious views through myth (Harris 101). A clear reference to human creation is in the Austronesian cultures of Southeast Asia where the idea of creation from clay or red earth is also used as totemic prop for mythic drama (Oppenheimer 356). Work Cited: Oppenhiemer, Stephen, M.D., Eden in the East. London: Phoenix, 1998 On 10/19/2013 11:56 AM, emptybill@... wrote: According to the Orthodox, Ancestral Sin caused the reversal of paradisaical deathlessness by creating the consequential mortality that we all inherited. Obviously a mythologized explanation but this is how they explain why humans are prone to concupiscence and deviance of will. Better yet is this explanation of the Orthodox view of original sin. http://oca.org/questions/teaching/st.-augustine-original-sin ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Merit
Xeno, when I think of there, their and they're in the context of people learning to speak and listen to English, I feel for them, especially if their native language is very different from English, like Chinese. In my experience, such students have excellent vocabulary and know all the rules of grammar, but a lot of practice is needed to be able to use English in day to day life. On Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:03 PM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word. --- Andrew Jackson ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, to my horror, it seems that even countless offenses of incorrect spelling and grammar are annihilated by meditating! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Buck wrote: “Though thou perform the meritorious deed of meditation but once, thee annihilate forever the countless offenses thy hast piled up.” -Old Meditation saying. You aren't going to correct this, are you, Buck?
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Places to Live That Suck
Bhairitu, Thai Deli is owned by a young, very sweet couple from SE Asia. Previously it was owned by her father and step mother. But then the older couple started another Thai restaurant. And the step mother was an excellent cook. A few years ago, the older couple sold to an Indian family and moved away so that she could be close to her family. I think they're in Chicago or Des Moines. The Indian family has kept some of the Thai recipes and they have also gone organic: Green Gourmet. Back to Thai Deli, over the years the young couple has done a lot to improve the restaurant ambiance and food. They are a dear part of the community. I can think of three Indian restaurants in FF and they definitely range in quality. One also has a restaurant in Iowa City and the food there is spicier than what they serve in FF. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Especially when we have some VERY GOOD Thai restaurants in the SF Bay Area. And I think a lot of Thai restaurants seem to use family recipes so you can have a little difference between places. I found Indian restaurant so-so in Fairfield and I also ate at a California style pasta restaurant which indeed reminded me of many of the pasta restaurants around here except for the ones run by expatriate Italians. We have one really good Trattoria about 2 miles from here that I like to take out-of-town folks to. On 10/19/2013 10:16 AM, doctordumbass@... mailto:doctordumbass@... wrote: I decided to check out the FF food scene, using Yelp. This set of reviews is hilarious: Thai Deli 120 West Broadway Fairfield, IA Review from Mango D., Las Vegas, NV 9/16/2006 5.0 star rating This stuff is like crack when we come to town. Make sure you come in when it is fresh. (After dome is good) We cant get enough of the creamy coconut potato dish. And the tofu and squash dish as well. They both go great mixed with the fried rice. The noodles are good sparingly when super fresh. I cannot find anything like this in California. Sigh... Fairfield, must you taunt me so! Review from Nicholas J. San Francisco, CA 1/12/2010 1.0 star rating. The reason you'll never find a Thai restaurant like this in California is because you can usually find actual Thai people voluntarily living in the coastal regions of the country, and very few of them are likely to express an interest in consuming the watered-down Grandy's buffet slop this dismal little cafeteria tries to pass off as an exotic Asian experience. If I were forced to explain their longevity, I would have to say that I believe they remain in business primarily because of the cult school up the road--an institution which seems to supply them with a steady stream of stoned Dave Matthews fans, all of whom would be lucky to successfully locate Thailand on a map after hyperventilating through the magic levitation classes their hippie parents pay for just because John Lennon told them to in a dream. Review from Max S. Fairfield, IA 5/24/2009 2.0 star rating It's dirt cheap but man does the food blow. Review from Will M. Seattle, WA 7/23/2010 1.0 star rating They nickname this place Thai Smelly. It's small town Midwest buffet meets new age crowd. Absolutely awful food. It's dirt cheap for a reason. I mean honestly, I don't know how this place survives - I wouldn't eat here if it was free. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard first mentioned the food deserts concept on Tuesday. It took you until today, Saturday, to decide that Fairfield was a food oasis? It's funny, because even though I don't live in Fairfield, it would have taken me about two seconds to figure out it was a food oasis. Share wrote: Richard, I've been thinking about this concept of food deserts since you first posted it. I think we have an oasis here in FF! I could definitely walk to our local health food store though it would take about 15 to 20 minutes. There is another one on campus just outside the women's Dome so that's also a possibility. We have a locally owned convenience store/gas station, Logli's and Iowa has a chain of them called Kum N Go. Oh and Farmers Market twice a week so people can buy fresh, buy local. Yay Fairfield!
[FairfieldLife] Britney - new Maria Callas, NOT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=472AUMxgQGI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=472AUMxgQGI ROFLOL!
[FairfieldLife] Monday Nite lecture, Fairfield
MUM Distinguished Lecture Series The Power of Coherence in Physics: Intelligence and Flexibility in Nature Dr. Alex Perlman, PhD Monday, October 21, 8:00 p.m. Festival Hall at Argiro Student Center Dr. Perlman will speak on: Our perception of physical phenomenon Non-linear optics and physical optics with reference to Vedic Literature Light-matter interaction, Imaging, and electron microscopy His projects in the fields of electro-optics, optical data storage, and lasers Dr. Perlman is from Tel Aviv, Israel with a PhS from the Technion Israel Institute of Technology in Haifa, among the worlds top ten science and technology research universities. He has published numerous articles and written numerous patent applications related to his research. Everyone is welcome
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique
The story of the fallen angel is figurative, metaphorical story. It's the process of creation itself, the bigbang. The spirit became matter, or fell into matter. Long long ago, we were one with the word. We lost our oneness with the word as soon as we bit the apple. The entire sprititual journey or evolution is to regain that oneness again. I remember reading this in one of Blavatsky's book (theosophical society) many years ago. http://davidpratt.info/spir-mat.htm http://davidpratt.info/spir-mat.htm --- s3raphita s3raphita@... wrote: Re And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). : Precisely! Man didn't die so God was telling porkies! (Spare me the bollocks of saying man dying spiritually.) The early Gnostics were right in seeing the Serpent as the true friend of mankind. The Serpent wanted us to see that we are immortal (we're *really* the One Self - Christ Consciousness) but God wants us to remain slaves. Of course, we're using mythological language here, but the God of present-day Christians still doesn't want people to become seers - ie, those who see clearly. --- punditster punditster@... wrote: The Fall of Man myth is a universal story that teaches by means of a confidence trick. And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live for ever... therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden ... (Genesis 3:22-3). And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). Clearly, humankind did not die on that day of the Fall, but instead became mortal. We can see how the creation of man from clay, as related in the Jehovistic account of Genesis, belonged to one branch of the world's universal clay-man myths springing from Southeast Asia. According to Oppenhiemer: In these stories a malign creature, originally either a devil or snake, interfered with the attempted animation of the clay models by the creator. A a clear reference to human creation is in the Austronesian cultures of Southeast Asia as totemic props for mythic drama (Oppenheimer 356). Work Cited: Eden in the East The Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia. By Stephen Oppenheimer, M.D. Phoenix 1998 p. 355-382 On 10/19/2013 2:14 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, do other cultures have a myth about the fall of humanity that centers around acquiring some forbidden knowledge? And in other cultures is the fall blamed on the women? On Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:04 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@ mailto:punditster@ wrote: It seems obvious that the stories and myths gathered in the Bible were assembled from immortality and fertility myths which were in common circulation at that time, that is, about 3000 years ago. Stephen Oppenheimer, writing in Eden in the East notes that many of these same mythic elements are still to be found in lands stretching from Egypt to India, Southwest Asia, Melanesia, and America. This Levantine creation myth is closely allied to other older myths concerning creation, and as Harris points out, every known culture expresses social values and religious views through myth (Harris 101). A clear reference to human creation is in the Austronesian cultures of Southeast Asia where the idea of creation from clay or red earth is also used as totemic prop for mythic drama (Oppenheimer 356). Work Cited: Oppenhiemer, Stephen, M.D., Eden in the East. London: Phoenix, 1998 On 10/19/2013 11:56 AM, emptybill@ mailto:emptybill@ wrote: According to the Orthodox, Ancestral Sin caused the reversal of paradisaical deathlessness by creating the consequential mortality that we all inherited. Obviously a mythologized explanation but this is how they explain why humans are prone to concupiscence and deviance of will. Better yet is this explanation of the Orthodox view of original sin. http://oca.org/questions/teaching/st.-augustine-original-sin ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com mailto:fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@ mailto:authfriend@ wrote: Thanks, this is great. For the moment, one question: The expulsion from the Garden and from the Tree of Life was an act of love and not vengeance so that humanity would not 'become immortal in sin.' What does immortal in sin mean, and how would that happen? emptybill wrote: Read this and then see if you have questions. http://www.stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_\
[FairfieldLife] RE: Merit
Yep, no grammar. This is exactly the problem with you younger generations, you just have no respect for maintaining thine traditions and in disrespect think you know it all and don't want to learn nothing from mature experience. Ye ignorant little shits. Like in Zoar, Ohio “The younger generation grew restive, however, and demanding personal freedom and individual ownership of property. In 1898 the Society was disbanded and property divided up among the members.” thou : nominative thee: objective thy/thine: possessive thou - singular informal, subject (Thou art here. = You are here.) thee - singular informal, object (He gave it to thee.) ye - plural or formal, subject you - plural or formal, object “Interestingly, when the first English translations of the Bible were being made, the informal thee and thou were used specifically in reference to God [the Unified Field] to indicate an approachable, familiar God [Unified Field],” thou : nominative? thee: objective? thy: possessive? ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote: Xeno, when I think of there, their and they're in the context of people learning to speak and listen to English, I feel for them, especially if their native language is very different from English, like Chinese. In my experience, such students have excellent vocabulary and know all the rules of grammar, but a lot of practice is needed to be able to use English in day to day life. On Saturday, October 19, 2013 9:03 PM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word. --- Andrew Jackson http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/andrew_jackson.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Judy, to my horror, it seems that even countless offenses of incorrect spelling and grammar are annihilated by meditating! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Buck wrote: “Though thou perform the meritorious deed of meditation but once, thee annihilate forever the countless offenses thy hast piled up.” -Old Meditation saying. You aren't going to correct this, are you, Buck?
[FairfieldLife] OMG Leipzig!
How did I miss this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24601870 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24601870
[FairfieldLife] Jobs That Suck
After I graduated from High School I attended a community college and got a degree in Graphic Design. I was offered a job in at Pacific Life so I moved out to San Francisco to get started. I rented an apartment on Sacramento street right around the corner from China Town. It was the worst job I ever had - mainly due to the boredom. It was a job that sucked - what I really wanted to do was desktop publishing, except it wasn't invented yet. So, I had to wait until 19893 to get a PC. Go figure. Graphic Artist at work: [image: Inline image 1] http://www.smartschoolfinder.com/guide/graphic-art-design-schools My job was to produce documents and printed materials for the life insurance sales agents. I used an AM Varityper to produce the text, a T-square to align the text, and wax to stick it down. When everything got approved, I gave ithe layout to the printer. The only good thing about this job was they sent me through Varityper school which helped me get a better job two years later - Art Director of the the weekly Marin Tribune,. That was back in 1968 and it was very cool living across the Golden Gate Bridge in Marin County. Now this sucks - Rita went back to school in 2000 and graduated from a community college with a degree in Graphic Arts and then graduated from the university summa cum laude with a degree in Communication Arts. Have you ever considered becoming a chef, or getting into desktop publishing? If so, forget it. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, these occupations are on their way out, with the number of jobs being created and prospects for growth over the next few years standing at just about nil. '3 Dead-End Jobs to Avoid (Despite the Decent Pay)' http://www.fool.-dead-end-jobs-to-avoid-despite-the-decent-pay.aspxhttp://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/19/3-dead-end-jobs-to-avoid-despite-the-decent-pay.aspx
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique
According to what I've read, the first dualist philosophy was probably the Indian Samkhya system - the term 'samkhya' pertains to number. Samkhya is a Vedic first cousin to the Avestan dualism of the Persian Zoroaster and the Manichaen Manes. Sankhya is the basis of all subsequent Asian dualisms including Indian Vaishnavism, Buddhist Tantra, Gnostic dualism, Chinese Yin-Yang and Taoism. Go figure. There are many reason for identifying the dualistic Gnostic movement with the the 'Appearance Only' theory of the Buddhist Mahayana, which is well documented. There are clear links between the causation theory of the Indian Sage Kapila, the Buddha, and Gnosticism. When we review these in the light of what we now have come to know, both from the Nag-Hamadi trove and from our understanding, recently gained, of the Docetic doctrines of Mahayana Buddhism (the growth and flowering of which exactly coincided with the high period of the Gnostic movement), the implications of their imagery can be judged with enlarged appreciation (364). Reference: Joseph Campbell The Illusory Christ The Masks of God' Volume III Occidental Viking, 1964 On 10/20/2013 8:45 AM, Jason wrote: The story of the fallen angel is figurative, metaphorical story. It's the process of creation itself, the bigbang. The spirit became matter, or fell into matter. Long long ago, we were one with the word. We lost our oneness with the word as soon as we bit the apple. The entire sprititual journey or evolution is to regain that oneness again. I remember reading this in one of Blavatsky's book (theosophical society) many years ago. _http://davidpratt.info/spir-mat.htm _ --- s3raphita s3raphita@... wrote: Re And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). : Precisely! Man didn't die so God was telling porkies! (Spare me the bollocks of saying man dying spiritually.) The early Gnostics were right in seeing the Serpent as the true friend of mankind. The Serpent wanted us to see that we are immortal (we're *really* the One Self - Christ Consciousness) but God wants us to remain slaves. Of course, we're using mythological language here, but the God of present-day Christians still doesn't want people to become seers - ie, those who see clearly. --- punditster punditster@... wrote: The Fall of Man myth is a universal story that teaches by means of a confidence trick. And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the Tree of Life, and eat, and live for ever... therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden ... (Genesis 3:22-3). And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). Clearly, humankind did not die on that day of the Fall, but instead became mortal. We can see how the creation of man from clay, as related in the Jehovistic account of Genesis, belonged to one branch of the world's universal clay-man myths springing from Southeast Asia. According to Oppenhiemer: In these stories a malign creature, originally either a devil or snake, interfered with the attempted animation of the clay models by the creator. A a clear reference to human creation is in the Austronesian cultures of Southeast Asia as totemic props for mythic drama (Oppenheimer 356). Work Cited: Eden in the East The Drowned Continent of Southeast Asia. By Stephen Oppenheimer, M.D. Phoenix 1998 p. 355-382 On 10/19/2013 2:14 PM, Share Long wrote: Richard, do other cultures have a myth about the fall of humanity that centers around acquiring some forbidden knowledge? And in other cultures is the fall blamed on the women? On Saturday, October 19, 2013 2:04 PM, Richard J. Williams punditster@ mailto:punditster@ wrote: It seems obvious that the stories and myths gathered in the Bible were assembled from immortality and fertility myths which were in common circulation at that time, that is, about 3000 years ago. Stephen Oppenheimer, writing in Eden in the East notes that many of these same mythic elements are still to be found in lands stretching from Egypt to India, Southwest Asia, Melanesia, and America. This Levantine creation myth is closely allied to other older myths concerning creation, and as Harris points out, every known culture expresses social values and religious views through myth (Harris 101). A clear reference to human creation is in the Austronesian cultures of Southeast Asia where the idea of creation from clay or
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: A vision of Fairfield#39;s future?
The Zoarites of Zoar, Ohio they got in a lot of trouble for being spiritually outside the box of the Christian Churches in those days back in old Europe. They came to America with help of other separatists like Quakers in those days to be able to pursue their spiritual practices more freely in the New World. Like the Quakers, Harmonists, the inspirationists at Amana, and Shakers they met in Meeting houses and not churches for group meditation and their programs. Satsanga. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Zoar and the Zoarites : “These German “Come Outers” [separatists] were for the most part mystics who had read the writings of Jacob Boehm, Gerhard Terstegen, and Jung Stilling; they cherished different religious or doctrinal beliefs, were stigmatized as fanatics, but were usually , I judge, simple-hearted, pious people, desirous to lead a more spiritual life than the found in the churches.” -Nordoff, The Communistic Societies of the United States (1794-1875) Published 1875 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Like in Fairfield it [satsang] starts as small living room satsanga or meetings in home or in the public community meeting rooms with a teacher, mystic or visiting saint. Friends in meetings. Occasionally it goes straight to a big space like Adyashanti coming to the Fairfield convention center once. But Satsanga certainly lives and thrives in an old fashion too under the radar where necessary in meditating Fairfield, just like in history. It's part of the story. Interesting that so many of these spiritual groups that developed historically had commonly started out around a mystic in meetings held in people's living rooms then going on towards facilitating around that in to organizations and becoming a history. In Europe they would have living room meetings [satsanga?] and then grow in to facilitating groups while defending themselves against the persecutions that would come from the established local orthodoxy, be that the Lutherans, Papists, or Anglicans of their day. Then, eventually fleeing to America. Thanks. Yes, the world could use a lot more piety. FFL could too. -Buck the Pious Nicely put. It reminds me of something I wanted to say about awoelflebater's post on another thread (power naps): Now, these long-term, incessant meditators obviously have absolutely nothing else pressing in their lives to compel them to want to stand up and open their eyes.: We understand what you're saying but it is a common belief in all contemplative traditions that communities joined together practising silent prayer (eg, monks and nuns) have a beneficial effect on the world even though to practical, common-sense types they seem to be a waste of space. Indeed, even the very recollection that there are men and women who forsake the feverish ambitions of the mass of people induces a feeling of calm! ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] TM and Quietist Pietistic [meditating] Fairfield, Iowa in companion as with other historic places like for instance on the Registry of National Historic Places, organized here A to Z.. Other Meissner Effect [ME] group meditators... Amana Colonies Long Meissner Effect group meditations every day. http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php http://amanacolonies.com/pages/about-amana-colonies/history.php Brook Farm http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf http://www.mass.gov/eea/docs/dcr/parks/boston/brookfarmbrochure.pdf Pleasant Hill, Half hour silent meditation twice a day and daily group Meissner Effect [ME] meditations http://www.shakervillageky.org/ http://www.shakervillageky.org/ Whittier, Iowa Hicksite Quakers, National Registry of Historic Places; Settlement era Iowa Meissner Effect [ME] Group Meditation: https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house https://sites.google.com/site/ffhamfampage/clients/whittier-quaker-meeting-house Zoar http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village http://www.ohiohistory.org/museums-and-historic-sites/museum--historic-sites-by-name/zoar-village [Pietist, belief in the power of individual meditation [Quietism] on the divine [Unified Field] – a direct, individual approach to the ultimate spiritual reality of the [Unified Field] – ] ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: In a coming future, meditating Fairfield, Iowa very likely shall also come to be on the National Registry of Historic Places along with other important
Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/ http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Places to Live That Suck
Yeah, you really poked the Fairfield vegie health nut cultist TMers in the eye with that story about eating the pigs and hog skins where you're from. Good work! But, everyone knows they raise lots of hogs in North Carolina and up there in Iowa. And, everyone knows they eat cow heads down in San Antonio. So what? The only question is, do you eat GM hogs? LoL! On 10/19/2013 3:46 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: that was great Doc! and in my opinion this quote If I were forced to explain their longevity, I would have to say that I believe they remain in business primarily because of the cult school up the road is what most of the world thinks of MUM and the Movement. On Sat, 10/19/13, doctordumb...@rocketmail.com doctordumb...@rocketmail.com wrote: Subject: RE: RE: RE: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Places to Live That Suck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 19, 2013, 7:48 PM Mango D. - LOL ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: OMG, this is hilarious! Ah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Thank you Doc. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: I decided to check out the FF food scene, using Yelp. This set of reviews is hilarious: Thai Deli 120 West Broadway Fairfield, IA Review from Mango D., Las Vegas, NV 9/16/2006 5.0 star rating This stuff is like crack when we come to town. Make sure you come in when it is fresh. (After dome is good) We cant get enough of the creamy coconut potato dish. And the tofu and squash dish as well. They both go great mixed with the fried rice. The noodles are good sparingly when super fresh. I cannot find anything like this in California. Sigh... Fairfield, must you taunt me so! Review from Nicholas J. San Francisco, CA 1/12/2010 1.0 star rating. The reason you'll never find a Thai restaurant like this in California is because you can usually find actual Thai people voluntarily living in the coastal regions of the country, and very few of them are likely to express an interest in consuming the watered-down Grandy's buffet slop this dismal little cafeteria tries to pass off as an exotic Asian experience. If I were forced to explain their longevity, I would have to say that I believe they remain in business primarily because of the cult school up the road--an institution which seems to supply them with a steady stream of stoned Dave Matthews fans, all of whom would be lucky to successfully locate Thailand on a map after hyperventilating through the magic levitation classes their hippie parents pay for just because John Lennon told them to in a dream. Review from Max S. Fairfield, IA 5/24/2009 2.0 star rating It's dirt cheap but man does the food blow. Review from Will M. Seattle, WA 7/23/2010 1.0 star rating They nickname this place Thai Smelly. It's small town Midwest buffet meets new age crowd. Absolutely awful food. It's dirt cheap for a reason. I mean honestly, I don't know how this place survives - I wouldn't eat here if it was free. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Richard first mentioned the food deserts concept on Tuesday. It took you until today, Saturday, to decide that Fairfield was a food oasis? It's funny, because even though I don't live in Fairfield, it would have taken me about two seconds to figure out it was a food oasis. Share wrote: Richard, I've been thinking about this concept of food deserts since you first posted it. I think we have an oasis here in FF! I could definitely walk to our local health food store though it would take about 15 to 20 minutes. There is another one on campus just outside the women's Dome so that's also a possibility. We have a locally owned convenience store/gas station, Logli's and Iowa has a chain of them called Kum N Go. Oh and Farmers Market twice a week so people can buy fresh, buy local. Yay Fairfield!
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Merit
Buck wrote: Yep, no grammar. This is exactly the problem with you younger generations, you just have no respect for maintaining thine traditions Thy traditions. (snip) Buck wrote: “Though thou perform the meritorious deed of meditation but once, thee annihilate forever the countless offenses thy hast piled up.” -Old Meditation saying. You aren't going to correct this, are you, Buck? Obviously not. I'll do it for you: Though thou performest the meritorious deed of meditation but once, thou annihilatest forever the countless offenses thou hast piled up.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
Share wrote: Seraphita, I could see that the serpent could also be a symbol of kundalini, an essential concept from another religion. It's not that God wants to enslave us. It's that people with certain ideas about God want to enslave us. They want us to believe their ideas rather than the ideas of other religions. To give them their due, they probably think their ideas are right and that they're doing unbelievers a favor. That's so naive, Share. You are not seeing clearly. Obviously God does want to enslave us. As Seraphita pointed out, he lied to Adam and Eve. I mean, we have his words right there in English, so we know there can be no other interpretation of what he said. Anybody who supports a God who lied to his very first human creations cannot possibly have the interests of human beings at heart. They know the ideas they promote are wrong and evil. Let's not mislead folks by pretending such people have good intentions. Seraphita wrote: Re And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). : Precisely! Man didn't die so God was telling porkies! (Spare me the bollocks of saying man dying spiritually.) The early Gnostics were right in seeing the Serpent as the true friend of mankind. The Serpent wanted us to see that we are immortal (we're *really* the One Self - Christ Consciousness) but God wants us to remain slaves. Of course, we're using mythological language here, but the God of present-day Christians still doesn't want people to become seers - ie, those who see clearly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? From: Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it.James Tarranto:http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinionFour Things We Think We Know About Obamacare:1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance.2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95.3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers.4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.htmlOn 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
Judy, I'm not 100% convinced that the Bible is God's word completely devoid of human interpretation. OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love. On Sunday, October 20, 2013 10:13 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: Share wrote: Seraphita, I could see that the serpent could also be a symbol of kundalini, an essential concept from another religion. It's not that God wants to enslave us. It's that people with certain ideas about God want to enslave us. They want us to believe their ideas rather than the ideas of other religions. To give them their due, they probably think their ideas are right and that they're doing unbelievers a favor. That's so naive, Share. You are not seeing clearly. Obviously God does want to enslave us. As Seraphita pointed out, he lied to Adam and Eve. I mean, we have his words right there in English, so we know there can be no other interpretation of what he said. Anybody who supports a God who lied to his very first human creations cannot possibly have the interests of human beings at heart. They know the ideas they promote are wrong and evil. Let's not mislead folks by pretending such people have good intentions. Seraphita wrote: Re And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). : Precisely! Man didn't die so God was telling porkies! (Spare me the bollocks of saying man dying spiritually.) The early Gnostics were right in seeing the Serpent as the true friend of mankind. The Serpent wanted us to see that we are immortal (we're *really* the One Self - Christ Consciousness) but God wants us to remain slaves. Of course, we're using mythological language here, but the God of present-day Christians still doesn't want people to become seers - ie, those who see clearly.
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
Share wrote: Judy, I'm not 100% convinced that the Bible is God's word completely devoid of human interpretation. You aren't!? That's just appalling. OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love. No, no. God obviously hated Adam and Eve because they disobeyed him. He gave them free will, and they threw it back in his face. He wasn't about to forgive their descendants, so he destroyed all of them except Noah and his family, then lied again by sending the dove and the rainbow, and then later by sending Jesus and pretending Jesus was going to save them. Well, we know what happened to Jesus, don't we? Share wrote: Seraphita, I could see that the serpent could also be a symbol of kundalini, an essential concept from another religion. It's not that God wants to enslave us. It's that people with certain ideas about God want to enslave us. They want us to believe their ideas rather than the ideas of other religions. To give them their due, they probably think their ideas are right and that they're doing unbelievers a favor. That's so naive, Share. You are not seeing clearly. Obviously God does want to enslave us. As Seraphita pointed out, he lied to Adam and Eve. I mean, we have his words right there in English, so we know there can be no other interpretation of what he said. Anybody who supports a God who lied to his very first human creations cannot possibly have the interests of human beings at heart. They know the ideas they promote are wrong and evil. Let's not mislead folks by pretending such people have good intentions. Seraphita wrote: Re And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). : Precisely! Man didn't die so God was telling porkies! (Spare me the bollocks of saying man dying spiritually.) The early Gnostics were right in seeing the Serpent as the true friend of mankind. The Serpent wanted us to see that we are immortal (we're *really* the One Self - Christ Consciousness) but God wants us to remain slaves. Of course, we're using mythological language here, but the God of present-day Christians still doesn't want people to become seers - ie, those who see clearly.
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
Paranoid much? Mike wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
As I've said before, IMO 'irony' is a tactic used primarily by people without balls who want to be able to tell the truth, but then deny that they said it later, claiming that they were 'only being ironic.' - Apr 3, 2013, some FFLer or another --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Share wrote: Judy, I'm not 100% convinced that the Bible is God's word completely devoid of human interpretation. You aren't!? That's just appalling. OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love. No, no. God obviously hated Adam and Eve because they disobeyed him. He gave them free will, and they threw it back in his face. He wasn't about to forgive their descendants, so he destroyed all of them except Noah and his family, then lied again by sending the dove and the rainbow, and then later by sending Jesus and pretending Jesus was going to save them. Well, we know what happened to Jesus, don't we? Share wrote: Seraphita, I could see that the serpent could also be a symbol of kundalini, an essential concept from another religion. It's not that God wants to enslave us. It's that people with certain ideas about God want to enslave us. They want us to believe their ideas rather than the ideas of other religions. To give them their due, they probably think their ideas are right and that they're doing unbelievers a favor. That's so naive, Share. You are not seeing clearly. Obviously God does want to enslave us. As Seraphita pointed out, he lied to Adam and Eve. I mean, we have his words right there in English, so we know there can be no other interpretation of what he said. Anybody who supports a God who lied to his very first human creations cannot possibly have the interests of human beings at heart. They know the ideas they promote are wrong and evil. Let's not mislead folks by pretending such people have good intentions. Seraphita wrote: Re And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). : Precisely! Man didn't die so God was telling porkies! (Spare me the bollocks of saying man dying spiritually.) The early Gnostics were right in seeing the Serpent as the true friend of mankind. The Serpent wanted us to see that we are immortal (we're *really* the One Self - Christ Consciousness) but God wants us to remain slaves. Of course, we're using mythological language here, but the God of present-day Christians still doesn't want people to become seers - ie, those who see clearly.
Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
Mike, health care doesn't have to be expensive. And we need doctors who are actually interested in medicine rather than yachts and private planes. And by the what do you think insurance is? It's paying for some other people's problems at YOUR expense. IOW, it's supposed to be pooling your money with other just IN CASE you get sick and need treatment. Unfortunately it's become a way for some fat ass who is the insurance company CEO to get rich at YOUR EXPENSE. What thinkest thou about that? On 10/20/2013 08:16 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? *From:* Richard J. Williams pundits...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it.James Tarranto:http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinionFour Things We Think We Know About Obamacare:1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance.2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95.3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers.4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.htmlOn 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com mailto:cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
[FairfieldLife] Prisca Theologia
We have witnessed the fall of the Sun in Libra. Will we witness the betrayal of the Sun in Scorpio? In the Bible, this betrayal was narrated when Judas sold Jesus for thirty pieces of silver. Santos Bonacci gives a very interesting lecture on ancient theology as revealed in the science of astrology. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXBZsuXUbcg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXBZsuXUbcg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jobs That Suck
I did desktop publishing as a temp in 1980 for a company that did those real estate magazines. Of course there was no graphics, just entering listing on paper into the computer. The gig lasted only a few days as they just needed some extra temps for a while who were good at typing and maybe some data entry experience (got that at the EDS temp gig). EDS wanted me back but I wound up working as a temp at title insurance company. Then my old band wanted me back so that was the end of temp work. I tried again when I returned a couple years later to my home town to sign up for temp computer work but they wanted a computer science degree for that. I laughed at them. I don't know what they expect people to do for a living these days. There are actually fewer and fewer jobs. It is probably time to do what Bucky Fuller suggested and pay people NOT TO WORK. But Dixon won't like that. ;-) On 10/20/2013 07:17 AM, Richard Williams wrote: After I graduated from High School I attended a community college and got a degree in Graphic Design. I was offered a job in at Pacific Life so I moved out to San Francisco to get started. I rented an apartment on Sacramento street right around the corner from China Town. It was the worst job I ever had - mainly due to the boredom. It was a job that sucked - what I really wanted to do was desktop publishing, except it wasn't invented yet. So, I had to wait until 19893 to get a PC. Go figure. Graphic Artist at work: Inline image 1 http://www.smartschoolfinder.com/guide/graphic-art-design-schools My job was to produce documents and printed materials for the life insurance sales agents. I used an AM Varityper to produce the text, a T-square to align the text, and wax to stick it down. When everything got approved, I gave ithe layout to the printer. The only good thing about this job was they sent me through Varityper school which helped me get a better job two years later - Art Director of the the weekly Marin Tribune,. That was back in 1968 and it was very cool living across the Golden Gate Bridge in Marin County. Now this sucks - Rita went back to school in 2000 and graduated from a community college with a degree in Graphic Arts and then graduated from the university summa cum laude with a degree in Communication Arts. Have you ever considered becoming a chef, or getting into desktop publishing? If so, forget it. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, these occupations are on their way out, with the number of jobs being created and prospects for growth over the next few years standing at just about nil. '3 Dead-End Jobs to Avoid (Despite the Decent Pay)' http://www.fool.-dead-end-jobs-to-avoid-despite-the-decent-pay.aspx http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/19/3-dead-end-jobs-to-avoid-despite-the-decent-pay.aspx
Re: [FairfieldLife] A hole in the head - the solution to your problems?
Seems a bit extreme. You can manipulate the metabolism to increase blood flow to the brain. That's something that ayurveda is good at. On 10/19/2013 07:30 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: A Hole in the Head is an hour-long documentary about trepanation - the process of boring a hole in the skull. It examines the development of modern trepanation as used by people in the UK, the USA, and the Netherlands for the purpose of attaining a higher level of consciousness. This procedure, used by the ancient Egyptians, Incas, and others, is believed by the voluntarily trepanned to allow for renewed brain pulsations that increase brain blood volume and thereby improve brain function. Interviews regarding the history and efficacy of the procedure are also held with some of the world's most respected neurosurgeons and anthropologists. There's an appearance by Countess Amanda Feilding. Twice Amanda stood for Parliament in Chelsea, London, as an independent on a manifesto with a singular topic - trepanning for free to everyone on the National Health Service! In 1979 she polled 40 votes, and in 1983 she managed 139. John Lennon tried (unsuccessfully) to persuade the other Beatles to undergo the procedure. If he'd succeeded maybe all those who followed the Fab Four from LSD to TM would now be treppaned! Ye gods! How boring and conformist modern society seems in comparison to those heady sixties. Does the procedure do what it is claimed? How about some enterprising FFLifers volunteering to undergo the operation and then reporting back to the forum on the benefits? I've seen the film and one of the sadder interviewees is a young woman who, following an accident, had a hole in her skull. She was very chirpy and upbeat when first seen. Her doctors advised her to have the hole sealed with surgery. An interview at the end of the film shows her after the operation and she is strikingly depressed! Is trepanation a fast-track to enlightenment? A newspaper article about the countess is here: http://tinyurl.com/y38drfk The trailer for the DVD is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoU_-ru8yEc
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique
ROTFL. Saying something false more than once doesn't somehow make it more true, Barry. We know from long experience why you would try to diss irony and the folks you don't like who use it: It's because you have a lot of trouble recognizing irony and have many times been embarrassed by having missed it and taken an ironic post seriously. If what I wrote to Share were in fact telling the truth, as you suggest, one would have to conclude that I believe the Bible is God's word completely devoid of human interpretation. Unfortunately for you, nobody on FFL is likely to fall for that (well, Share might). And it sure would make *you* look like an idiot if anybody did, given how many times you've insisted that I'm a TM TB. The *fact* is, you're pissed off because you were caught once again making stuff up, in this case by claiming *Buck* was making stuff up about Centering Prayer. And as is usually the case when you're pissed off, you write what you intend to be retaliatory posts in a blind rage and find yourself even more in the hole by making a worse mess than you were caught out on to begin with. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: As I've said before, IMO 'irony' is a tactic used primarily by people without balls who want to be able to tell the truth, but then deny that they said it later, claiming that they were 'only being ironic.' - Apr 3, 2013, some FFLer or another --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Share wrote: Judy, I'm not 100% convinced that the Bible is God's word completely devoid of human interpretation. You aren't!? That's just appalling. OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love. No, no. God obviously hated Adam and Eve because they disobeyed him. He gave them free will, and they threw it back in his face. He wasn't about to forgive their descendants, so he destroyed all of them except Noah and his family, then lied again by sending the dove and the rainbow, and then later by sending Jesus and pretending Jesus was going to save them. Well, we know what happened to Jesus, don't we? Share wrote: Seraphita, I could see that the serpent could also be a symbol of kundalini, an essential concept from another religion. It's not that God wants to enslave us. It's that people with certain ideas about God want to enslave us. They want us to believe their ideas rather than the ideas of other religions. To give them their due, they probably think their ideas are right and that they're doing unbelievers a favor. That's so naive, Share. You are not seeing clearly. Obviously God does want to enslave us. As Seraphita pointed out, he lied to Adam and Eve. I mean, we have his words right there in English, so we know there can be no other interpretation of what he said. Anybody who supports a God who lied to his very first human creations cannot possibly have the interests of human beings at heart. They know the ideas they promote are wrong and evil. Let's not mislead folks by pretending such people have good intentions. Seraphita wrote: Re And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die (Genesis 2:16-17). : Precisely! Man didn't die so God was telling porkies! (Spare me the bollocks of saying man dying spiritually.) The early Gnostics were right in seeing the Serpent as the true friend of mankind. The Serpent wanted us to see that we are immortal (we're *really* the One Self - Christ Consciousness) but God wants us to remain slaves. Of course, we're using mythological language here, but the God of present-day Christians still doesn't want people to become seers - ie, those who see clearly.
RE: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
Share wrote: 'OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love.' Were I this god, I would love this; you have succumbed to the propaganda of a tyrant. Thomas Jefferson, an admirer of Jesus but not of much else in the Christian Bible wrote of this god of the Torah (as the Christians inherited the scriptures of the Jews) in rather disparaging terms: 'There are, I acknowledge, passages not free from objection, which we may, with probability, ascribe to Jesus himself; but claiming indulgence from the circumstances under which he acted. His object was the reformation of some articles in the religion of the Jews, as taught by Moses. That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific* character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust. Jesus, taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart, wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding to them power, ascribed all of these, but in infinite perfection, to the Supreme Being, and formed him really worthy of their adoration. Moses had either not believed in a future state of existence, or had not thought it essential to be explicitly taught to his people. Jesus inculcated that doctrine with emphasis and precision. Moses had bound the Jews to many idle ceremonies, mummeries and observances, of no effect towards producing the social utilities which constitute the essence of virtue; Jesus exposed their futility and insignificance.' *meaning terror-ific - 'terrifying' in more modern language This passage (from which the part I bolded is often quoted out of context or modified) is from a letter Jefferson wrote to one William Short in 1820. ( http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html ) One might accuse Jefferson of racism on the basis of the content of this letter. Jefferson was referring to the character of god in the 'Old Testament', the Torah etc. which are a part of the Christian scriptures. Jefferson himself made a version of the Bible where he cut out all the tyrannical passages and mythology including the entire Old Testament, and most of the New. He admired Jesus to the extent the character of Jesus can be extracted from these writings, but he admired not much else in the Bible. http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Life__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Life__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html Can you imagine an American President speaking like this today?
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Share wrote: 'OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love.' Were I this god, I would love this; you have succumbed to the propaganda of a tyrant. Thomas Jefferson, an admirer of Jesus but not of much else in the Christian Bible wrote of this god of the Torah (as the Christians inherited the scriptures of the Jews) in rather disparaging terms: 'There are, I acknowledge, passages not free from objection, which we may, with probability, ascribe to Jesus himself; but claiming indulgence from the circumstances under which he acted. His object was the reformation of some articles in the religion of the Jews, as taught by Moses. That sect had presented for the object of their worship, a being of terrific* character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust. Jesus, taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart, wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding to them power, ascribed all of these, but in infinite perfection, to the Supreme Being, and formed him really worthy of their adoration. Moses had either not believed in a future state of existence, or had not thought it essential to be explicitly taught to his people. Jesus inculcated that doctrine with emphasis and precision. Moses had bound the Jews to many idle ceremonies, mummeries and observances, of no effect towards producing the social utilities which constitute the essence of virtue; Jesus exposed their futility and insignificance.' *meaning terror-ific - 'terrifying' in more modern language This passage (from which the part I bolded is often quoted out of context or modified) is from a letter Jefferson wrote to one William Short in 1820. ( http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html ) One might accuse Jefferson of racism on the basis of the content of this letter. Jefferson was referring to the character of god in the 'Old Testament', the Torah etc. which are a part of the Christian scriptures. Jefferson himself made a version of the Bible where he cut out all the tyrannical passages and mythology including the entire Old Testament, and most of the New. He admired Jesus to the extent the character of Jesus can be extracted from these writings, but he admired not much else in the Bible. http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Lif\ e__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Lif\ e__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Li\ fe__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Lif\ e__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html Can you imagine an American President speaking like this today? Can you imagine an American President even having the balls to try? No one else can, either. That's why America is considered a joke in most thinking parts of the world.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Jobs That Suck
Well maybe if you're a magic person you can get one of these jobs for as much as $1,100 an hour: http://www.mercurynews.com/salary-survey/ci_24344700/1-100-an-hour-part-time-service-at?source=rss On 10/20/2013 07:17 AM, Richard Williams wrote: After I graduated from High School I attended a community college and got a degree in Graphic Design. I was offered a job in at Pacific Life so I moved out to San Francisco to get started. I rented an apartment on Sacramento street right around the corner from China Town. It was the worst job I ever had - mainly due to the boredom. It was a job that sucked - what I really wanted to do was desktop publishing, except it wasn't invented yet. So, I had to wait until 19893 to get a PC. Go figure. Graphic Artist at work: Inline image 1 http://www.smartschoolfinder.com/guide/graphic-art-design-schools My job was to produce documents and printed materials for the life insurance sales agents. I used an AM Varityper to produce the text, a T-square to align the text, and wax to stick it down. When everything got approved, I gave ithe layout to the printer. The only good thing about this job was they sent me through Varityper school which helped me get a better job two years later - Art Director of the the weekly Marin Tribune,. That was back in 1968 and it was very cool living across the Golden Gate Bridge in Marin County. Now this sucks - Rita went back to school in 2000 and graduated from a community college with a degree in Graphic Arts and then graduated from the university summa cum laude with a degree in Communication Arts. Have you ever considered becoming a chef, or getting into desktop publishing? If so, forget it. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, these occupations are on their way out, with the number of jobs being created and prospects for growth over the next few years standing at just about nil. '3 Dead-End Jobs to Avoid (Despite the Decent Pay)' http://www.fool.-dead-end-jobs-to-avoid-despite-the-decent-pay.aspx http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/19/3-dead-end-jobs-to-avoid-despite-the-decent-pay.aspx
Re: RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
Xeno, is it even possible to enslave out of pure Love? I believe that it is and that it is one of the great paradoxes of life. Like the way a parent will set strong boundaries to protect their child. Like that, God, or we can call it Life, wants to give us all of itself. It will put us through hell in order to do this. But that is an expression of its great love for us. When we see this and stop fighting the river, then the journey of non ending coupling of us and Life is smoother if not ecstatic. On Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:37 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Share wrote: 'OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love.' Were I this god, I would love this; you have succumbed to the propaganda of a tyrant. Thomas Jefferson, an admirer of Jesus but not of much else in the Christian Bible wrote of this god of the Torah (as the Christians inherited the scriptures of the Jews) in rather disparaging terms: 'There are, I acknowledge, passages not free from objection, which we may, with probability, ascribe to Jesus himself; but claiming indulgence from the circumstances under which he acted. His object was the reformation of some articles in the religion of the Jews, as taught by Moses. That sect had presented forthe object of their worship, a being of terrific* character, cruel, vindictive, capricious and unjust. Jesus, taking for his type the best qualities of the human head and heart, wisdom, justice, goodness, and adding to them power, ascribed all of these, but in infinite perfection, to the Supreme Being, and formed him really worthy of their adoration. Moses had either not believed in a future state of existence, or had not thought it essential to be explicitly taught to his people. Jesus inculcated that doctrine with emphasis and precision. Moses had bound the Jews to many idle ceremonies, mummeries and observances, of no effect towards producing the social utilities which constitute the essence of virtue; Jesus exposed their futility and insignificance.' *meaning terror-ific - 'terrifying' in more modern language This passage (from which the part I bolded is often quoted out of context or modified) is from a letter Jefferson wrote to one William Short in 1820. ( http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html ) One might accuse Jefferson of racism on the basis of the content of this letter. Jefferson was referring to the character of god in the 'Old Testament', the Torah etc. which are a part of the Christian scriptures. Jefferson himself made a version of the Bible where he cut out all the tyrannical passages and mythology including the entire Old Testament, and most of the New. He admired Jesus to the extent the character of Jesus can be extracted from these writings, but he admired not much else in the Bible. http://www.beliefnet.com/resourcelib/docs/62/The_Jefferson_Bible_The_Life__Morals_of_Jesus_of_Nazareth_1.html Can you imagine an American President speaking like this today?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (snip) Can you imagine an American President speaking like this today? Can you imagine an American President even having the balls to try? No one else can, either. That's why America is considered a joke in most thinking parts of the world. Actually, most thinking parts of the world would consider America even more of a joke, and a particularly offensive one at that, if a president were known to have had the balls to make such anti-Semitic remarks, even a decade out of office. However, Jefferson never published any of this, and hardly anybody knew about it. Probably be a good idea to inform oneself about the history of his projects before attempting to make invidious comparisons with the situation today. (Although the anti-Semitism Xeno quotes should be enough by itself to keep one from expressing unqualified approval.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pope Francis technique
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: (snip) Can you imagine an American President speaking like this today? Can you imagine an American President even having the balls to try? No one else can, either. That's why America is considered a joke in most thinking parts of the world. Actually, most thinking parts of the world would consider America even more of a joke, and a particularly offensive one at that, if a president were known to have had the balls to make such anti-Semitic remarks, even a decade out of office. Anyone daring to use the term anti-Semitic has already withdrawn from the company of thinking individuals on planet Earth. You're implying that one group of people's fantasies about how the universe works are more important than, more true than, and and more inviolable than, anyone else's. Me, I class ALL religious beliefs as fantasies. I think that qualifies me as an egalitarian, unlike some who get their panties in a twist when their particular fantasies are challenged. :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Pope Francis technique
Barry's already made two WHOPPING bloopers today, but I guess he figures he needs to round things off with a third. And what a third... When Barry's panties get in a twist, it has the effect of shutting down what little is left of his brains. Of all the mind-numbingly stupid posts he's made--and I have 18 years' worth from which to choose--this one tops them all. (snip) Barry wrote: Anyone daring to use the term anti-Semitic has already withdrawn from the company of thinking individuals on planet Earth. You're implying that one group of people's fantasies about how the universe works are more important than, more true than, and and more inviolable than, anyone else's. Me, I class ALL religious beliefs as fantasies. I think that qualifies me as an egalitarian, unlike some who get their panties in a twist when their particular fantasies are challenged. :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Merit
Thanks, I just knew I couldst count on thou to do it. -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Buck wrote: Yep, no grammar. This is exactly the problem with you younger generations, you just have no respect for maintaining thine traditions Thy traditions. (snip) Buck wrote: “Though thou perform the meritorious deed of meditation but once, thee annihilate forever the countless offenses thy hast piled up.” -Old Meditation saying. You aren't going to correct this, are you, Buck? Obviously not. I'll do it for you: Though thou performest the meritorious deed of meditation but once, thou annihilatest forever the countless offenses thou hast piled up.
[FairfieldLife] Moral and Courageous
Moral and courageous, Watch a Real short video: http://www.godvine.com/Man-Who-Saved-Over-600-Kids-From-Nazis-Gets-a-Touching-Surprise-1737.html http://www.godvine.com/Man-Who-Saved-Over-600-Kids-From-Nazis-Gets-a-Touching-Surprise-1737.html
[FairfieldLife] RE: OMG Leipzig!
OMG Napoleon enthusiasts Buck re-enact Battle of Waterloo -let's see it live.,at least the 2011 the tantamount to glorifying the carnage of war. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxT4S6wQf4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxT4S6wQf4 Will you wait for the 2013 YouTube broadcast? Each year and today(yesterday=Sunday) some 6,000 history buffs dress up today in period military costume to re-enact one of Germany's bloodiest battles, the Battle of the Nations where French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte was defeated near Leipzig in October 1813 by forces from Russia, Austria, Prussia and Sweden.(A n estimated 600,000 soldiers took part in the series of battles from 16-19 October 1813 and almost 100,000 of them lost their lives.The victory of the allies - including a small British contingent - over Napoleon marked the end of his control of German territory.) Yes, organizers say their controversial re-enactment is intended to be peaceful and to bring history alive. Many of the thousands taking part have grown period-style moustaches to match their 19th Century replica uniforms. Local TV reports live from the scene while the role of Napoleon is being played by a 46-year-old Parisian lawyer, Frank Samson, who taught himself the Corsican language in an attempt to give a more authentic performance as the French emperor.-Sure will be on you-tube , soon for Buck to... whatever you feel watching. Tens of thousands of spectators attend the reconstruction, described as a reconciliation. However, Church leaders object to the battle being turned into a game. An ecumenical service was held in the town of Roetha on Saturday to mark the 200th anniversary of the event . Because it seems Buck's BBC's Damien McGuinness sees Sunday's (my time yesterday)event as tantamount to glorifying the carnage of war Buck, let's not forget,the night before, European Parliament President Martin Schulz gave a speech at a memorial to the battle warning of a resurgence of nationalism. Fortunately when Napoleon Bonaparte crowned himself emperor in Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral in late 1804, Beethoven was in the process of composing his Third Symphony, in E-Flat Major. The composer had been a supporter of Napoleon and planned to dedicate the massive orchestral work to him. But, as the story goes, when Beethoven heard the news of the self-coronation, he was furious and scratched out the dedication. Here you see: Now instead of watching the re-enact of an heroic Battle of Waterloo I'll switch to the Eroica Symphony another BBC production BBC Proms 2012 conducted by Daniel Barenboim and with introduction in your language Buck and understandable, too- -with the hope some FFLer, including you , my dear Buck, will follow suit.. Follow, Buck, follow right To the bottom of the night, With now unconstrained voice Still persuade us to rejoice; - Sing of human unsuccess In a rapture of distress; In the deserts of the heart Let the healing fountain start, In the prison of this days Teach the free man how to praise. - ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: How did I miss this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24601870 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24601870
[FairfieldLife] RE: OMG Leipzig!
---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: OMG Napoleon enthusiasts Buck re-enact Battle of Waterloo -let's see it live.,at least the 2011 the tantamount to glorifying the carnage of war. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxT4S6wQf4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxT4S6wQf4 Will you wait for the 2013 YouTube broadcast? Each year and today(yesterday=Sunday) some 6,000 history buffs dress up today in period military costume to re-enact one of Germany's bloodiest battles, the Battle of the Nations where French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte was defeated near Leipzig in October 1813 by forces from Russia, Austria, Prussia and Sweden.(A n estimated 600,000 soldiers took part in the series of battles from 16-19 October 1813 and almost 100,000 of them lost their lives.The victory of the allies - including a small British contingent - over Napoleon marked the end of his control of German territory.) Yes, organizers say their controversial re-enactment is intended to be peaceful and to bring history alive. Many of the thousands taking part have grown period-style moustaches to match their 19th Century replica uniforms. Local TV reports live from the scene while the role of Napoleon is being played by a 46-year-old Parisian lawyer, Frank Samson, who taught himself the Corsican language in an attempt to give a more authentic performance as the French emperor.-Sure will be on you-tube , soon for Buck to... whatever you feel watching. Tens of thousands of spectators attend the reconstruction, described as a reconciliation. However, Church leaders object to the battle being turned into a game. An ecumenical service was held in the town of Roetha on Saturday to mark the 200th anniversary of the event . Because it seems Buck's BBC's Damien McGuinness sees Sunday's (my time yesterday)event as tantamount to glorifying the carnage of war Buck, let's not forget,the night before, European Parliament President Martin Schulz gave a speech at a memorial to the battle warning of a resurgence of nationalism. Fortunately when Napoleon Bonaparte crowned himself emperor in Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral in late 1804, Beethoven was in the process of composing his Third Symphony, in E-Flat Major. The composer had been a supporter of Napoleon and planned to dedicate the massive orchestral work to him. But, as the story goes, when Beethoven heard the news of the self-coronation, he was furious and scratched out the dedication. Here you see: Now instead of watching the re-enact of an heroic Battle of Waterloo I'll switch to the Eroica Symphony another BBC production BBC Proms 2012 conducted by Daniel Barenboim and with introduction in your language Buck and understandable, too- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxT4S6wQf4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxT4S6wQf4 -with the hope some FFLer, including you , my dear Buck, will follow suit.. Follow, Buck, follow right To the bottom of the night, With now unconstrained voice Still persuade us to rejoice; - Sing of human unsuccess In a rapture of distress; In the deserts of the heart Let the healing fountain start, In the prison of this days Teach the free man how to praise. - ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: How did I miss this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24601870 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24601870
[FairfieldLife] RE: OMG Leipzig!
OMG Napoleon enthusiasts Buck re-enact Battle of Waterloo -let's see it live.,at least the 2011 the tantamount to glorifying the carnage of war. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RpcZJArQ8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk Movies enactment--- why oh why with Beethoven http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORMZdp61LG4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk Will you wait for the 2013 YouTube broadcast? Each year and today(yesterday=Sunday) some 6,000 history buffs dress up today in period military costume to re-enact one of Germany's bloodiest battles, the Battle of the Nations where French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte was defeated near Leipzig in October 1813 by forces from Russia, Austria, Prussia and Sweden.(A n estimated 600,000 soldiers took part in the series of battles from 16-19 October 1813 and almost 100,000 of them lost their lives.The victory of the allies - including a small British contingent - over Napoleon marked the end of his control of German territory.) Yes, organizers say their controversial re-enactment is intended to be peaceful and to bring history alive. Many of the thousands taking part have grown period-style mustaches to match their 19th Century replica uniforms. Local TV reports live from the scene while the role of Napoleon is being played by a 46-year-old Parisian lawyer, Frank Samson, who taught himself the Corsican language in an attempt to give a more authentic performance as the French emperor.-Sure will be on you-tube , soon for Buck to... whatever you feel watching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZD2SaA5aak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZD2SaA5aak Buck's horse charge rehearsal Battle of Waterloo slow motion reenactment including sacre bleu car Tens of thousands of spectators attend the reconstruction, described as a reconciliation. However, Church leaders object to the battle being turned into a game. An ecumenical service was held in the town of Roetha on Saturday to mark the 200th anniversary of the event . Because it seems Buck's BBC's Damien McGuinness sees Sunday's (my time yesterday)event as tantamount to glorifying the carnage of war Buck, let's not forget,the night before, European Parliament President Martin Schulz gave a speech at a memorial to the battle warning of a resurgence of nationalism. Fortunately when Napoleon Bonaparte crowned himself emperor in Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral in late 1804, Beethoven was in the process of composing his Third Symphony, in E-Flat Major. The composer had been a supporter of Napoleon and planned to dedicate the massive orchestral work to him. But, as the story goes, when Beethoven heard the news of the self-coronation, he was furious and scratched out the dedication. Here you see: Now instead of watching the re-enact of an heroic Battle of Waterloo I'll switch to the Eroica Symphony another BBC production BBC Proms 2012 conducted by Daniel Barenboim and with introduction in your language Buck and understandable, too- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxT4S6wQf4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InxT4S6wQf4 -with the hope some FFLer, including you , my dear Buck, will follow suit.. Follow, Buck, follow right To the bottom of the night, With now unconstrained voice Still persuade us to rejoice; - Sing of human unsuccess In a rapture of distress; In the deserts of the heart Let the healing fountain start, In the prison of this days Teach the free man how to praise. - ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: How did I miss this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24601870 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24601870
[FairfieldLife] Neo-Vedanta, Maya, Two Vidya-s and Bhakti
TeaParty: If you ask a traditionalist like Dayananda, he will deny that Ramana had reached the highest level, because he didn't really learn the vedantic scriptures, like the Brahma Sutras, from an authorized teacher! Ramana was at the intersection of Traditional Vedanta and Neo-Vedanta. He emphasized the importance of “experience” (neo-vedanta) along with yoga (atma-vichara). All that places him in the lineage of Yogic-Advaita (Vidyaranya, et al.) and not in Shankara’s traditional method. Both Dayananda and Swartz explain the teachings of Shankara while still maintaining a clear demarcation of them from the yoga-darshana. Shankara considered the purpose of yoga to be creating purity of heart and clarification of the intellect in preparation for âtma-jñâna. TeaParty: Kevala Advaita, mark my words, is not a philosophy, it is just a teaching device. And it is not complete in itself. To say that the world is maya, unreal, and then urge people to follow this teaching, in order to save them from this very maya, is a contradiction in itself. Maya means measuring. For Shankara, Maya connotes the veil of appearances that seem to measure the immeasurable. Maya is appearances presenting themselves as independent. What is it that Maya actually measures? It measures the distinction between appearances and reality (Brahman). In truth, the doctrine of Maya simply says that anything that seems different from Brahman (and thus stands on its own) does not do so but rather presents a distorted picture of Brahman itself. However, for your part you are simply spouting off the same old misunderstandings of Advaita (such as Ramanuja’s claim that “mayavada is a doctrine of illusion”). For Ramanuja himself, the world (jagat) is eternally existent as a part of the body (sharira) of Brahman. Such nice speculation. However, which part of the universe would be Brahman’s ass-hole? TeaParty: What Swartz misses is that in traditional Advaita, there are two types of knowledge, higher and lower. Traditionally, the lower knowledge is the Veda, the Higher is the Vedanta, the end of the Veda. Now you, and he, juxtapose yoga/meditation to Vedanta. Wrong, according to tradition you have to go through the lower knowledge, in olden times the vedic rituals, so that you are purified enough, to receive the higher knowledge, the Vedanta. Shankara’s commentary on BS I.ii.21 points out that the divisions into lower and higher knowledge (vidya) are according to the results of each particular knowledge. To give a synopsis: karma-vidya is for prosperity and felicity while jñâna-vidya is for freedom/liberation. The karma-vidya of the Rg-veda deals with the elements of the yajña along with the roles of the sacrificial officiants. Consequently, it is upon this very sacrifice that they place their faith for obtaining the bliss of the heavens. This in spite of the obvious – that all the constituents (and the sacrificers themselves) are perishable because of their fragility. This ignorantly misplaced reliance upon the hope of heavenly bliss only results in repeated old age and death. Thus, the karma-vidya can only commence the entry towards the jñâna-vidya and presents itself to eulogize the ultimacy of the higher knowledg. Those who are competent for the higher vidya are those who reject the necessity of the karma-vidya because of its transience. Examining the higher worlds acquired by this lower knowledge, they realize that everything which exists at all is a result of karma. Thus recognized, they think … “What then is the need to make even more karma?” The defect thus identified, they approach a teacher for instruction on liberation from bondage to appearances and knowledge of the actual nature of freedom. This is the opposite of your claim. TeaParty: For example the more devotional or yogic passages in the Upanishads. Aurobindo, in his own commentary on the Upanishad pointed this out, as well as the Vaishanvic Acharyas like Ramanuja et al. Apparently you haven’t read Shankara’s Bhagavad Gita Bhasya, much less studied it. It is the oldest extant commentary and free of the schema of later commentaries and their divisions into karma/jñâna/bhakti. That includes MMY’s own triple division. What Shankara discusses are the two nishtaa-s (resolute observances) of karma and jñâna. Bhakti is not seen in the Gita as a separate observance because it is considered intrinsically present. Thus Vedic orthodoxy did not envision considering bhakti as an independent viewpoint - whether for exegesis of Gita texts or observance of karma and jñâna. BTW: In the Taittiriya Upanishad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taittiriya_Upanishad Bhashya 2.2, Shankara says: Sarveśāṃ cādhikāro vidyāyāṃ ca śreyaḥ kevalayā vidyāyā veti siddhaṃ – It has been established that everyone has the right to the knowledge (of Brahman) and that the supreme goal is attained by that knowledge alone.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Neo-Vedanta, Maya, Two Vidya-s and Bhakti
Here are all the entries for 'maya' in CDSL:
maya 1 m. (3. %{mA}) N. of an Asura (the artificer or architect of the Daityas
, also versed in magic , astronomy and military science) MBh. Ka1v. c. ; N. of
various teachers and authors (esp. of an astronomer and a poet) Cat. ; (%{A})
f. medical treatment L. 2 maya 2 m. (prob. fr. 2. %{mA}) a horse VS. ; a camel
L. ; a mule L. ; (%{I}) f. a mare La1t2y. Sch. [789,2] 3 maya 3 m. (1. %{mI})
hurting , injuring W. 4 mAya mfn. (3. %{mA}) measuring (see %{dhAnya-m-}) ;
creating illusions (said of Vishn2u) MBh. ; (%{A}) f. see below. 5 mAyA f. art
, wisdom , extraordinary or supernatural power (only in the earlier language) ;
illusion , unreality , deception , fraud , trick , sorcery , witchcraft magic
RV. c. c. ; an unreal or illusory image , phantom , apparition ib. (esp. ibc=
false , unreal , illusory ; cf. comp.) ; duplicity (with Buddhists one of the
24 minor evil passions) Dharmas. 69 (in phil.) Illusion (identified in the
Sa1m2khya with Prakr2iti or Pradha1na and in that system , as well as in the
Veda7nta , regarded as the source of the visible universe) IW. 83 ; 108 ; (with
S3aivas) one of the 4 Pa1s3as or snares which entangle the soul Sarvad. MW. ;
(with Vaishn2avas) one of the 9 S3aktis or energies of Vishn2u L. ; Illusion
personified (sometimes identified with Durga1 , sometimes regarded as a
daughter of Anr2ita and Nirr2iti or Nikr2iti and mother of Mr2ityu , or as a
daughter of Adharma) Pur. ; compassion , sympathy L. ; Convolvulus Turpethum L.
; N. of the mother of Gautama Buddha MWB. 24 ; of Lakshmi1 W. ; of a city Cat.
; of 2 metres Col. ; du. (%{mAye@indrasya}) N. of 2 Sa1mans Arsh
This is a rather tricky one to explain! So, first I'll let the quotes above
try to explain
themselves. Pay attention to two things: which words are adjectives (mfn:
masculine,
feminine or neuter), which again are substantives (EITHER m, f OR n), and
which words have the long a-vowels (one or more), that's 'A' in Harvard-Kyoto
transliteration scheme...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
TeaParty: If you ask a traditionalist like Dayananda, he will deny that Ramana
had reached the highest level, because he didn't really learn the vedantic
scriptures, like the Brahma Sutras, from an authorized teacher!
Ramana was at the intersection of Traditional Vedanta and Neo-Vedanta. He
emphasized the importance of “experience” (neo-vedanta) along with yoga
(atma-vichara). All that places him in the lineage of Yogic-Advaita
(Vidyaranya, et al.) and not in Shankara’s traditional method. Both Dayananda
and Swartz explain the teachings of Shankara while still maintaining a clear
demarcation of them from the yoga-darshana. Shankara considered the purpose of
yoga to be creating purity of heart and clarification of the intellect in
preparation for âtma-jñâna.
TeaParty: Kevala Advaita, mark my words, is not a philosophy, it is just a
teaching device. And it is not complete in itself. To say that the world is
maya, unreal, and then urge people to follow this teaching, in order to save
them from this very maya, is a contradiction in itself.
Maya means measuring. For Shankara, Maya connotes the veil of appearances that
seem to measure the immeasurable. Maya is appearances presenting themselves
as independent. What is it that Maya actually measures? It measures the
distinction between appearances and reality (Brahman). In truth, the doctrine
of Maya simply says that anything that seems different from Brahman (and thus
stands on its own) does not do so but rather presents a distorted picture of
Brahman itself. However, for your part you are simply spouting off the same old
misunderstandings of Advaita (such as Ramanuja’s claim that “mayavada is a
doctrine of illusion”). For Ramanuja himself, the world (jagat) is eternally
existent as a part of the body (sharira) of Brahman. Such nice speculation.
However, which part of the universe would be Brahman’s ass-hole?
TeaParty: What Swartz misses is that in traditional Advaita, there are two
types of knowledge, higher and lower. Traditionally, the lower knowledge is the
Veda, the Higher is the Vedanta, the end of the Veda. Now you, and he,
juxtapose yoga/meditation to Vedanta. Wrong, according to tradition you have to
go through the lower knowledge, in olden times the vedic rituals, so that you
are purified enough, to receive the higher knowledge, the Vedanta.
Shankara’s commentary on BS I.ii.21 points out that the divisions into lower
and higher knowledge (vidya) are according to the results of each particular
knowledge. To give a synopsis: karma-vidya is for prosperity and felicity while
jñâna-vidya is for freedom/liberation. The karma-vidya of the Rg-veda deals
with the elements of the yajña along with the roles of the sacrificial
officiants. Consequently, it is upon this very sacrifice that they place their
faith for
RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hebrew vs. Sanskrit!
Card, can you give a word or phrase that is an example of this? No, I can't. It's just my overall impression after listening and reading some of the Tanakh (tora, nevi'im, ketuvim) in Hebrew. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Card, can you give a word or phrase that is an example of this? On Sunday, October 20, 2013 3:13 AM, cardemaister@... cardemaister@... wrote: At this point I'd say that Hebrew is a more mystical language whereas Sanskrit is a more logical and scientific one!
[FairfieldLife] RE: A hole in the head - the solution to your problems?
Seraphita, There's no need for this operation. Why? Because there is already a subtle and astrological connection between the top of the head to the star Polaris, the source of cosmic manifestation here on earth. Please, see my earlier post regarding Prisca Theologia for details of the lecture by Santos Bonacci regarding syncretism. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Seems a bit extreme. You can manipulate the metabolism to increase blood flow to the brain. That's something that ayurveda is good at. On 10/19/2013 07:30 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: A Hole in the Head is an hour-long documentary about trepanation - the process of boring a hole in the skull. It examines the development of modern trepanation as used by people in the UK, the USA, and the Netherlands for the purpose of attaining a higher level of consciousness. This procedure, used by the ancient Egyptians, Incas, and others, is believed by the voluntarily trepanned to allow for renewed brain pulsations that increase brain blood volume and thereby improve brain function. Interviews regarding the history and efficacy of the procedure are also held with some of the world's most respected neurosurgeons and anthropologists. There's an appearance by Countess Amanda Feilding. Twice Amanda stood for Parliament in Chelsea, London, as an independent on a manifesto with a singular topic - trepanning for free to everyone on the National Health Service! In 1979 she polled 40 votes, and in 1983 she managed 139. John Lennon tried (unsuccessfully) to persuade the other Beatles to undergo the procedure. If he'd succeeded maybe all those who followed the Fab Four from LSD to TM would now be treppaned! Ye gods! How boring and conformist modern society seems in comparison to those heady sixties. Does the procedure do what it is claimed? How about some enterprising FFLifers volunteering to undergo the operation and then reporting back to the forum on the benefits? I've seen the film and one of the sadder interviewees is a young woman who, following an accident, had a hole in her skull . She was very chirpy and upbeat when first seen. Her doctors advised her to have the hole sealed with surgery. An interview at the end of the film shows her after the operation and she is strikingly depressed! Is trepanation a fast-track to enlightenment? A newspaper article about the countess is here: http://tinyurl.com/y38drfk http://tinyurl.com/y38drfk The trailer for the DVD is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoU_-ru8yEc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoU_-ru8yEc
[FairfieldLife] RE: A hole in the head - the solution to your problems?
All of us are born with holes in our skulls. For most of us the hole space is sealed up by growing tissue by our first birthday. For some, however, the holes are never permanently sealed and so they are naturally treppaned. A medieval burial ground was recently investigated and researchers discovered something very intriguing. Almost all the remains of lower-caste people (peasants, labourers, etc) had normal skulls; almost all the skulls of the high caste (magistrates, church dignitaries, etc) had unsealed holes in their skulls. The link between high achievers and trepanation (naturally occurring in this case) is worth following up. I wonder if someone could investigate if high achievers today show a similar bias towards the holes. Shouldn't be too difficult to find out. The hole in the head thing isn't just for psychedelic druggies who want to stay high permanently but could be a way of enhancing creativity. As holes can be re-sealed later I wonder if an experiment involving volunteers and a control group might be feasible. Re noozguru/jr_esq: neither ayurveda nor astrology seem amenable to scientific evaluation. By the way, Countess Amanda Feilding I mention (the one who wanted free trepanning operations for everyone in the UK) actually performed her own trepanation on herself with a power drill! There's footage in the DVD. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Seraphita, There's no need for this operation. Why? Because there is already a subtle and astrological connection between the top of the head to the star Polaris, the source of cosmic manifestation here on earth. Please, see my earlier post regarding Prisca Theologia for details of the lecture by Santos Bonacci regarding syncretism. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Seems a bit extreme. You can manipulate the metabolism to increase blood flow to the brain. That's something that ayurveda is good at. On 10/19/2013 07:30 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: A Hole in the Head is an hour-long documentary about trepanation - the process of boring a hole in the skull. It examines the development of modern trepanation as used by people in the UK, the USA, and the Netherlands for the purpose of attaining a higher level of consciousness. This procedure, used by the ancient Egyptians, Incas, and others, is believed by the voluntarily trepanned to allow for renewed brain pulsations that increase brain blood volume and thereby improve brain function. Interviews regarding the history and efficacy of the procedure are also held with some of the world's most respected neurosurgeons and anthropologists. There's an appearance by Countess Amanda Feilding. Twice Amanda stood for Parliament in Chelsea, London, as an independent on a manifesto with a singular topic - trepanning for free to everyone on the National Health Service! In 1979 she polled 40 votes, and in 1983 she managed 139. John Lennon tried (unsuccessfully) to persuade the other Beatles to undergo the procedure. If he'd succeeded maybe all those who followed the Fab Four from LSD to TM would now be treppaned! Ye gods! How boring and conformist modern society seems in comparison to those heady sixties. Does the procedure do what it is claimed? How about some enterprising FFLifers volunteering to undergo the operation and then reporting back to the forum on the benefits? I've seen the film and one of the sadder interviewees is a young woman who, following an accident, had a hole in her skull . She was very chirpy and upbeat when first seen. Her doctors advised her to have the hole sealed with surgery. An interview at the end of the film shows her after the operation and she is strikingly depressed! Is trepanation a fast-track to enlightenment? A newspaper article about the countess is here: http://tinyurl.com/y38drfk http://tinyurl.com/y38drfk The trailer for the DVD is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoU_-ru8yEc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoU_-ru8yEc
[FairfieldLife] RE: Neo-Vedanta, Maya, Two Vidya-s and Bhakti
However, which part of the universe would be Brahman’s ass-hole? New Jersey ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: TeaParty: If you ask a traditionalist like Dayananda, he will deny that Ramana had reached the highest level, because he didn't really learn the vedantic scriptures, like the Brahma Sutras, from an authorized teacher! Ramana was at the intersection of Traditional Vedanta and Neo-Vedanta. He emphasized the importance of “experience” (neo-vedanta) along with yoga (atma-vichara). All that places him in the lineage of Yogic-Advaita (Vidyaranya, et al.) and not in Shankara’s traditional method. Both Dayananda and Swartz explain the teachings of Shankara while still maintaining a clear demarcation of them from the yoga-darshana. Shankara considered the purpose of yoga to be creating purity of heart and clarification of the intellect in preparation for âtma-jñâna. TeaParty: Kevala Advaita, mark my words, is not a philosophy, it is just a teaching device. And it is not complete in itself. To say that the world is maya, unreal, and then urge people to follow this teaching, in order to save them from this very maya, is a contradiction in itself. Maya means measuring. For Shankara, Maya connotes the veil of appearances that seem to measure the immeasurable. Maya is appearances presenting themselves as independent. What is it that Maya actually measures? It measures the distinction between appearances and reality (Brahman). In truth, the doctrine of Maya simply says that anything that seems different from Brahman (and thus stands on its own) does not do so but rather presents a distorted picture of Brahman itself. However, for your part you are simply spouting off the same old misunderstandings of Advaita (such as Ramanuja’s claim that “mayavada is a doctrine of illusion”). For Ramanuja himself, the world (jagat) is eternally existent as a part of the body (sharira) of Brahman. Such nice speculation. However, which part of the universe would be Brahman’s ass-hole? TeaParty: What Swartz misses is that in traditional Advaita, there are two types of knowledge, higher and lower. Traditionally, the lower knowledge is the Veda, the Higher is the Vedanta, the end of the Veda. Now you, and he, juxtapose yoga/meditation to Vedanta. Wrong, according to tradition you have to go through the lower knowledge, in olden times the vedic rituals, so that you are purified enough, to receive the higher knowledge, the Vedanta. Shankara’s commentary on BS I.ii.21 points out that the divisions into lower and higher knowledge (vidya) are according to the results of each particular knowledge. To give a synopsis: karma-vidya is for prosperity and felicity while jñâna-vidya is for freedom/liberation. The karma-vidya of the Rg-veda deals with the elements of the yajña along with the roles of the sacrificial officiants. Consequently, it is upon this very sacrifice that they place their faith for obtaining the bliss of the heavens. This in spite of the obvious – that all the constituents (and the sacrificers themselves) are perishable because of their fragility. This ignorantly misplaced reliance upon the hope of heavenly bliss only results in repeated old age and death. Thus, the karma-vidya can only commence the entry towards the jñâna-vidya and presents itself to eulogize the ultimacy of the higher knowledg. Those who are competent for the higher vidya are those who reject the necessity of the karma-vidya because of its transience. Examining the higher worlds acquired by this lower knowledge, they realize that everything which exists at all is a result of karma. Thus recognized, they think … “What then is the need to make even more karma?” The defect thus identified, they approach a teacher for instruction on liberation from bondage to appearances and knowledge of the actual nature of freedom. This is the opposite of your claim. TeaParty: For example the more devotional or yogic passages in the Upanishads. Aurobindo, in his own commentary on the Upanishad pointed this out, as well as the Vaishanvic Acharyas like Ramanuja et al. Apparently you haven’t read Shankara’s Bhagavad Gita Bhasya, much less studied it. It is the oldest extant commentary and free of the schema of later commentaries and their divisions into karma/jñâna/bhakti. That includes MMY’s own triple division. What Shankara discusses are the two nishtaa-s (resolute observances) of karma and jñâna. Bhakti is not seen in the Gita as a separate observance because it is considered intrinsically present. Thus Vedic orthodoxy did not envision considering bhakti as an independent viewpoint - whether for exegesis of Gita texts or observance of karma and jñâna. BTW: In the Taittiriya Upanishad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taittiriya_Upanishad Bhashya 2.2, Shankara says: Sarveśāṃ cādhikāro vidyāyāṃ ca śreyaḥ kevalayā vidyāyā veti siddhaṃ – It has been
[FairfieldLife] This Land is Your Land ?
http://civileats.com/2013/10/18/this-land-is-our-land/ http://civileats.com/2013/10/18/this-land-is-our-land/
[FairfieldLife] RE: This Land is Your Land ?
Great article. Perceptive. We are not just on the cusp of a great land reform, it started a while ago and is well underway. There has been a huge shift in land ownership now just recently as the WWII generation of farmers has declined from the scene. It has already become serfs and tenants of big land holding corporations often in the guise of chains of LLC's . Some might even appear as family but they are getting far from that.The sale of Smithfield Foods to the Chinese government is the tip of an iceberg. America was the extraordinary place to come to because there was the real possibility for the common to have an ownership stake. That is pretty much faded as more and more land has fallen in to fewer hands greased with all the free cash of government subsidy floating around for the few big guys to use as more down payment to just get bigger and bigger. That was called farming the system. The subsidies need to end right now. Agriculture just got entirely distorted. So, now the Communist Chinese effectively just bought up the fruits of all these years of US taxpayer subsidy to American agriculture. If you don't like big agri-tissue-culture don't buy big food. Instead buy local, buy fresh. Make your own sandwiches with good food and boycott fast food. bent on land reform turn agriculture into the plaything of the world’s richest investors, and poor local farmers are locked out of millions of acres prime agricultural land. - See more at: http://civileats.com/2013/10/18/this-land-is-our-land/#sthash.w22Ujxkq.dpuf ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: http://civileats.com/2013/10/18/this-land-is-our-land/ http://civileats.com/2013/10/18/this-land-is-our-land/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Neo-Vedanta, Maya, Two Vidya-s and Bhakti
azgrey wrote: However, which part of the universe would be Brahmanâs ass-hole? New Jersey So you're a fan of anti-Semitism too, just like your pal Barry?
[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better written and more suggestive. Myth and Ritual In Christianity (only available second-hand) approached Christianity by ignoring completely its truth or falsity and treating the sacraments purely as myth. Behold the Spirit is one of the best books that Watts wrote (it's my personal favourite), a wonderfully perceptive account of the mystical strain in Christianity. Pity he was a (genuine) sex addict and a serious alcoholic. The two vices are linked as he said he only felt sexy when he was drunk. And he knew even less about meditation than I do! Still, his faults were his problem; we can enjoy his insights. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Barry's already made two WHOPPING bloopers today, but I guess he figures he needs to round things off with a third. And what a third... When Barry's panties get in a twist, it has the effect of shutting down what little is left of his brains. Of all the mind-numbingly stupid posts he's made--and I have 18 years' worth from which to choose--this one tops them all. (snip) Barry wrote: Anyone daring to use the term anti-Semitic has already withdrawn from the company of thinking individuals on planet Earth. You're implying that one group of people's fantasies about how the universe works are more important than, more true than, and and more inviolable than, anyone else's. Me, I class ALL religious beliefs as fantasies. I think that qualifies me as an egalitarian, unlike some who get their panties in a twist when their particular fantasies are challenged. :-)
[FairfieldLife] RE: Neo-Vedanta, Maya, Two Vidya-s and Bhakti
Newark or Trenton? I gotta know to avoid the stink. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: However, which part of the universe would be Brahman’s ass-hole? New Jersey ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: TeaParty: If you ask a traditionalist like Dayananda, he will deny that Ramana had reached the highest level, because he didn't really learn the vedantic scriptures, like the Brahma Sutras, from an authorized teacher! Ramana was at the intersection of Traditional Vedanta and Neo-Vedanta. He emphasized the importance of “experience” (neo-vedanta) along with yoga (atma-vichara). All that places him in the lineage of Yogic-Advaita (Vidyaranya, et al.) and not in Shankara’s traditional method. Both Dayananda and Swartz explain the teachings of Shankara while still maintaining a clear demarcation of them from the yoga-darshana. Shankara considered the purpose of yoga to be creating purity of heart and clarification of the intellect in preparation for âtma-jñâna. TeaParty: Kevala Advaita, mark my words, is not a philosophy, it is just a teaching device. And it is not complete in itself. To say that the world is maya, unreal, and then urge people to follow this teaching, in order to save them from this very maya, is a contradiction in itself. Maya means measuring. For Shankara, Maya connotes the veil of appearances that seem to measure the immeasurable. Maya is appearances presenting themselves as independent. What is it that Maya actually measures? It measures the distinction between appearances and reality (Brahman). In truth, the doctrine of Maya simply says that anything that seems different from Brahman (and thus stands on its own) does not do so but rather presents a distorted picture of Brahman itself. However, for your part you are simply spouting off the same old misunderstandings of Advaita (such as Ramanuja’s claim that “mayavada is a doctrine of illusion”). For Ramanuja himself, the world (jagat) is eternally existent as a part of the body (sharira) of Brahman. Such nice speculation. However, which part of the universe would be Brahman’s ass-hole? TeaParty: What Swartz misses is that in traditional Advaita, there are two types of knowledge, higher and lower. Traditionally, the lower knowledge is the Veda, the Higher is the Vedanta, the end of the Veda. Now you, and he, juxtapose yoga/meditation to Vedanta. Wrong, according to tradition you have to go through the lower knowledge, in olden times the vedic rituals, so that you are purified enough, to receive the higher knowledge, the Vedanta. Shankara’s commentary on BS I.ii.21 points out that the divisions into lower and higher knowledge (vidya) are according to the results of each particular knowledge. To give a synopsis: karma-vidya is for prosperity and felicity while jñâna-vidya is for freedom/liberation. The karma-vidya of the Rg-veda deals with the elements of the yajña along with the roles of the sacrificial officiants. Consequently, it is upon this very sacrifice that they place their faith for obtaining the bliss of the heavens. This in spite of the obvious – that all the constituents (and the sacrificers themselves) are perishable because of their fragility. This ignorantly misplaced reliance upon the hope of heavenly bliss only results in repeated old age and death. Thus, the karma-vidya can only commence the entry towards the jñâna-vidya and presents itself to eulogize the ultimacy of the higher knowledg. Those who are competent for the higher vidya are those who reject the necessity of the karma-vidya because of its transience. Examining the higher worlds acquired by this lower knowledge, they realize that everything which exists at all is a result of karma. Thus recognized, they think … “What then is the need to make even more karma?” The defect thus identified, they approach a teacher for instruction on liberation from bondage to appearances and knowledge of the actual nature of freedom. This is the opposite of your claim. TeaParty: For example the more devotional or yogic passages in the Upanishads. Aurobindo, in his own commentary on the Upanishad pointed this out, as well as the Vaishanvic Acharyas like Ramanuja et al. Apparently you haven’t read Shankara’s Bhagavad Gita Bhasya, much less studied it. It is the oldest extant commentary and free of the schema of later commentaries and their divisions into karma/jñâna/bhakti. That includes MMY’s own triple division. What Shankara discusses are the two nishtaa-s (resolute observances) of karma and jñâna. Bhakti is not seen in the Gita as a separate observance because it is considered intrinsically present. Thus Vedic orthodoxy did not envision considering bhakti as an independent viewpoint - whether for exegesis of Gita texts or observance of karma and jñâna. BTW: In the Taittiriya Upanishad
[FairfieldLife] The Military-Industrial Pundits
The Military-Industrial Pundits: Conflicts of Interest Exposed for TV Guests Who Urged Syrian War. New research shows many so-called experts who appeared on television making the case for U.S. strikes on Syria had undisclosed ties to military contractors.
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[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique
Here's one you might find of interest, Seraphita, albeit not an easy read: Julian of Norwich, Theologian, by Denys Turner. (Julian is best known for the famous quote All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well. But Turner has some startling insights into her theology that go way beyond the traditional take on her work.) Seraphita wrote: For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better written and more suggestive. Myth and Ritual In Christianity (only available second-hand) approached Christianity by ignoring completely its truth or falsity and treating the sacraments purely as myth. Behold the Spirit is one of the best books that Watts wrote (it's my personal favourite), a wonderfully perceptive account of the mystical strain in Christianity. Pity he was a (genuine) sex addict and a serious alcoholic. The two vices are linked as he said he only felt sexy when he was drunk. And he knew even less about meditation than I do! Still, his faults were his problem; we can enjoy his insights.
[FairfieldLife] RE: Neo-Vedanta, Maya, Two Vidya-s and Bhakti
Newark or Trenton? I gotta know to avoid the stink. Newark. A guide book I took with me when I last visited New York said that seeing Newark was like seeing what the world would look like after a nuclear war. I decided to drive through just to take a peek and got completely lost. It was summer and the entire populace was milling about on the pot-holed streets. As night fell I hit a poverty-stricken Hispanic area and as I was a Caucasian and driving a rental car I felt like I had a neon sign on the car roof saying: Mug me. I'm a Tourist. I kept ending up on dead-end streets and having to slowly do a U-turn while being stared at by the natives who were clearly wondering who the stranger was. It's hard to get across my state of mind but I was genuinely frightened; I was literally shaking with fear. It felt like the scene from Tom Wolfe's Bonfire of the Vanities. I felt such relief when I finally saw a cop and was able to ask him how to get out and back to the Big Apple. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill@... wrote: Newark or Trenton? I gotta know to avoid the stink. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: However, which part of the universe would be Brahman’s ass-hole? New Jersey ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: TeaParty: If you ask a traditionalist like Dayananda, he will deny that Ramana had reached the highest level, because he didn't really learn the vedantic scriptures, like the Brahma Sutras, from an authorized teacher! Ramana was at the intersection of Traditional Vedanta and Neo-Vedanta. He emphasized the importance of “experience” (neo-vedanta) along with yoga (atma-vichara). All that places him in the lineage of Yogic-Advaita (Vidyaranya, et al.) and not in Shankara’s traditional method. Both Dayananda and Swartz explain the teachings of Shankara while still maintaining a clear demarcation of them from the yoga-darshana. Shankara considered the purpose of yoga to be creating purity of heart and clarification of the intellect in preparation for âtma-jñâna. TeaParty: Kevala Advaita, mark my words, is not a philosophy, it is just a teaching device. And it is not complete in itself. To say that the world is maya, unreal, and then urge people to follow this teaching, in order to save them from this very maya, is a contradiction in itself. Maya means measuring. For Shankara, Maya connotes the veil of appearances that seem to measure the immeasurable. Maya is appearances presenting themselves as independent. What is it that Maya actually measures? It measures the distinction between appearances and reality (Brahman). In truth, the doctrine of Maya simply says that anything that seems different from Brahman (and thus stands on its own) does not do so but rather presents a distorted picture of Brahman itself. However, for your part you are simply spouting off the same old misunderstandings of Advaita (such as Ramanuja’s claim that “mayavada is a doctrine of illusion”). For Ramanuja himself, the world (jagat) is eternally existent as a part of the body (sharira) of Brahman. Such nice speculation. However, which part of the universe would be Brahman’s ass-hole? TeaParty: What Swartz misses is that in traditional Advaita, there are two types of knowledge, higher and lower. Traditionally, the lower knowledge is the Veda, the Higher is the Vedanta, the end of the Veda. Now you, and he, juxtapose yoga/meditation to Vedanta. Wrong, according to tradition you have to go through the lower knowledge, in olden times the vedic rituals, so that you are purified enough, to receive the higher knowledge, the Vedanta. Shankara’s commentary on BS I.ii.21 points out that the divisions into lower and higher knowledge (vidya) are according to the results of each particular knowledge. To give a synopsis: karma-vidya is for prosperity and felicity while jñâna-vidya is for freedom/liberation. The karma-vidya of the Rg-veda deals with the elements of the yajña along with the roles of the sacrificial officiants. Consequently, it is upon this very sacrifice that they place their faith for obtaining the bliss of the heavens. This in spite of the obvious – that all the constituents (and the sacrificers themselves) are perishable because of their fragility. This ignorantly misplaced reliance upon the hope of heavenly bliss only results in repeated old age and death. Thus, the karma-vidya can only commence the entry towards the jñâna-vidya and presents itself to eulogize the ultimacy of the higher knowledg. Those who are competent for the higher vidya are those who reject the necessity of the karma-vidya because of its transience. Examining the higher worlds acquired by this lower knowledge, they realize that everything which exists at all is a result of karma. Thus recognized, they think … “What then is the need to make even more karma?” The defect thus
Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
If I don't like what one insurance provider is providing , I can go to another, seeking a better deal. Not so with single payer(gubment, care). One size fits all. From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! Mike, health care doesn't have to be expensive. And we need doctors who are actually interested in medicine rather than yachts and private planes. And by the what do you think insurance is? It's paying for some other people's problems at YOUR expense. IOW, it's supposed to be pooling your money with other just IN CASE you get sick and need treatment. Unfortunately it's become a way for some fat ass who is the insurance company CEO to get rich at YOUR EXPENSE. What thinkest thou about that?On 10/20/2013 08:16 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? From: Richard J. Williams mailto:pundits...@gmail.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto:http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: OMG Leipzig!
Meru; Respect, camaraderie, solidarity . I always like the fife and drum of our revolutionary war and the Sousa kinds of brass and drums of the war of the rebellion. They quicken my step and lift my heart. I spent a lot of life on picket in the cavalry on horse. Been a lot of places, ridden a lot of battle lines and been in a lot of battle lines. Slept out on the ground a lot with my feet to a fire and with my horse's reins tied to my hand. Been rained on and snowed on in the saddle a lot. I have marveled at the Swiss mountain troops with their guns at home, troops with their mountain horses kept on call at home, I've walked their tank traps across their frontiers. I flew out once over our National Cemetery at Luxembourg that Patton layed out but never got to tour much else in Europe other than finding the Michelangelo Pietas around Italy one time after an ATR course with Maharishi. Made it to the Sistine. That leaning tower. Other than that I have not been off the farm much. I have ridden my horse in the sunken lanes at both Antietem and Frederickberg. Ridden the battle line at Gettysburg. Ridden Jockey Hollow with Washington and Valley Forge too. I was in saddle at the battle line at Prairie Grove. Rode the length of the battle line that Lyon laid out at Wilson's Creek. Rode up telegraph road and the heights at Pea Ridge. Was in the charge of Elkhorn Tavern. Screened the horse drawn artillery at Carthage. Cross the river at Athens and supported the charge there. In the saddle at Perryville. Been on some bunch of long scouts in force. The retreat of the army at Brice's Cross roads. A couple of my best war horses are gone now. I got one left that has been with me everywhere. He's seen everything. Sunday evening and time now to go sing old hymns, -Buck in time of Peace right now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: OMG Napoleon enthusiasts Buck re-enact Battle of Waterloo -let's see it live.,at least the 2011 the tantamount to glorifying the carnage of war. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RpcZJArQ8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk Movies enactment--- why oh why with Beethoven http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORMZdp61LG4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk Will you wait for the 2013 YouTube broadcast? Each year and today(yesterday=Sunday) some 6,000 history buffs dress up today in period military costume to re-enact one of Germany's bloodiest battles, the Battle of the Nations where French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte was defeated near Leipzig in October 1813 by forces from Russia, Austria, Prussia and Sweden.(A n estimated 600,000 soldiers took part in the series of battles from 16-19 October 1813 and almost 100,000 of them lost their lives.The victory of the allies - including a small British contingent - over Napoleon marked the end of his control of German territory.) Yes, organizers say their controversial re-enactment is intended to be peaceful and to bring history alive. Many of the thousands taking part have grown period-style mustaches to match their 19th Century replica uniforms. Local TV reports live from the scene while the role of Napoleon is being played by a 46-year-old Parisian lawyer, Frank Samson, who taught himself the Corsican language in an attempt to give a more authentic performance as the French emperor.-Sure will be on you-tube , soon for Buck to... whatever you feel watching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZD2SaA5aak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZD2SaA5aak Buck's horse charge rehearsal Battle of Waterloo slow motion reenactment including sacre bleu car Tens of thousands of spectators attend the reconstruction, described as a reconciliation. However, Church leaders object to the battle being turned into a game. An ecumenical service was held in the town of Roetha on Saturday to mark the 200th anniversary of the event . Because it seems Buck's BBC's Damien McGuinness sees Sunday's (my time yesterday)event as tantamount to glorifying the carnage of war Buck, let's not forget,the night before, European Parliament President Martin Schulz gave a speech at a memorial to the battle warning of a resurgence of nationalism. Fortunately when Napoleon Bonaparte crowned himself emperor in Paris' Notre Dame Cathedral in late 1804, Beethoven was in the process of composing his Third Symphony, in E-Flat Major. The composer had been a supporter of Napoleon and planned to dedicate the massive orchestral work to him. But, as the story goes, when Beethoven heard the news of the self-coronation, he was furious and scratched out the dedication. Here you see: Now instead of
[FairfieldLife] RE: Pope Francis technique
A much more interesting read is Watts' The Supreme Identity (1950) which is largely based upon the insights of Rene Guenon. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better written and more suggestive. Myth and Ritual In Christianity (only available second-hand) approached Christianity by ignoring completely its truth or falsity and treating the sacraments purely as myth. Behold the Spirit is one of the best books that Watts wrote (it's my personal favourite), a wonderfully perceptive account of the mystical strain in Christianity. Pity he was a (genuine) sex addict and a serious alcoholic. The two vices are linked as he said he only felt sexy when he was drunk. And he knew even less about meditation than I do! Still, his faults were his problem; we can enjoy his insights. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Barry's already made two WHOPPING bloopers today, but I guess he figures he needs to round things off with a third. And what a third... When Barry's panties get in a twist, it has the effect of shutting down what little is left of his brains. Of all the mind-numbingly stupid posts he's made--and I have 18 years' worth from which to choose--this one tops them all. (snip) Barry wrote: Anyone daring to use the term anti-Semitic has already withdrawn from the company of thinking individuals on planet Earth. You're implying that one group of people's fantasies about how the universe works are more important than, more true than, and and more inviolable than, anyone else's. Me, I class ALL religious beliefs as fantasies. I think that qualifies me as an egalitarian, unlike some who get their panties in a twist when their particular fantasies are challenged. :-)
Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
Only time will tell. Remember, Obama said there comes a time when we'll just have to give somebody a *pill* instead of that expensive procedure. I would say that's moving in that direction. Just follow the trend. From: authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:33 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! Paranoid much? Mike wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: OMG Leipzig!
Buck wrote: (snip) I always like the fife and drum of our revolutionary war and the Sousa kinds of brass and drums of the war of the rebellion. Which war of the rebellion would that be? Sousa was born in 1854. (I'm a huge Sousa fan myself. Stars and Stripes Forever just makes me swoon with its wonderful in-your-face American brashness.) I enjoyed the rest of your post. Fortunately you haven't had to kill anybody. They quicken my step and lift my heart. I spent a lot of life on picket in the cavalry on horse. Been a lot of places, ridden a lot of battle lines and been in a lot of battle lines. Slept out on the ground a lot with my feet to a fire and with my horse's reins tied to my hand. Been rained on and snowed on in the saddle a lot. I have marveled at the Swiss mountain troops with their guns at home, troops with their mountain horses kept on call at home, I've walked their tank traps across their frontiers. I flew out once over our National Cemetery at Luxembourg that Patton layed out but never got to tour much else in Europe other than finding the Michelangelo Pietas around Italy one time after an ATR course with Maharishi. Made it to the Sistine. That leaning tower. Other than that I have not been off the farm much. I have ridden my horse in the sunken lanes at both Antietem and Frederickberg. Ridden the battle line at Gettysburg. Ridden Jockey Hollow with Washington and Valley Forge too. I was in saddle at the battle line at Prairie Grove. Rode the length of the battle line that Lyon laid out at Wilson's Creek. Rode up telegraph road and the heights at Pea Ridge. Was in the charge of Elkhorn Tavern. Screened the horse drawn artillery at Carthage. Cross the river at Athens and supported the charge there. In the saddle at Perryville. Been on some bunch of long scouts in force. The retreat of the army at Brice's Cross roads. A couple of my best war horses are gone now. I got one left that has been with me everywhere. He's seen everything. Sunday evening and time now to go sing old hymns, -Buck in time of Peace right now
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: Pope Francis technique
Re Here's one you might find of interest, Seraphita, albeit not an easy read: Julian of Norwich, Theologian, by Denys Turner: I read Turner's The Darkness of God. Excellent! His basic idea was that mystical experience is *not* some special experience - say an experience of nothingness (ie, some far-out trip) but rather the realisation that *all* experiences - even the most mundane experiences - are in actuality empty. And as for Dame Julian - she's one of my heroes (heroines). I've read her Revelations in three different editions. She's the real deal. The best one to get is the Dover edition. The punctuation is modernised but otherwise the text follows the original. Yes, you have to take a deep breath and a running jump before reading each sentence but the sense that you've genuinely approached the medieval mind-set is palpable. Lord knows what modern Protestants make of her visions! http://tinyurl.com/p7nwo3z http://tinyurl.com/p7nwo3z ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Here's one you might find of interest, Seraphita, albeit not an easy read: Julian of Norwich, Theologian, by Denys Turner. (Julian is best known for the famous quote All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well. But Turner has some startling insights into her theology that go way beyond the traditional take on her work.) Seraphita wrote: For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better written and more suggestive. Myth and Ritual In Christianity (only available second-hand) approached Christianity by ignoring completely its truth or falsity and treating the sacraments purely as myth. Behold the Spirit is one of the best books that Watts wrote (it's my personal favourite), a wonderfully perceptive account of the mystical strain in Christianity. Pity he was a (genuine) sex addict and a serious alcoholic. The two vices are linked as he said he only felt sexy when he was drunk. And he knew even less about meditation than I do! Still, his faults were his problem; we can enjoy his insights.
RE: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
The trend in which medical science has advanced such that an ailment can be cured with a pill rather than an expensive procedure? Sounds good to me. Mike wrote: Only time will tell. Remember, Obama said there comes a time when we'll just have to give somebody a *pill* instead of that expensive procedure. I would say that's moving in that direction. Just follow the trend. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:33 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! Paranoid much? Mike wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it?
[FairfieldLife] RE: House on Obamacare!
The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. Vladimir Lenin ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? From: Richard J. Williams punditster@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
Sounds like you don't have a clue how Medicare works. On 10/20/2013 05:20 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: If I don't like what one insurance provider is providing , I can go to another, seeking a better deal. Not so with single payer(gubment, care). One size fits all. *From:* Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 9:05 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! Mike, health care doesn't have to be expensive. And we need doctors who are actually interested in medicine rather than yachts and private planes. And by the what do you think insurance is? It's paying for some other people's problems at YOUR expense. IOW, it's supposed to be pooling your money with other just IN CASE you get sick and need treatment. Unfortunately it's become a way for some fat ass who is the insurance company CEO to get rich at YOUR EXPENSE. What thinkest thou about that?On 10/20/2013 08:16 AM, Mike Dixon wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? *From:* Richard J. Williams mailto:pundits...@gmail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto:http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemais...@yahoo.com mailto:cardemais...@yahoo.com wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: Pope Francis technique
Turner's take on Julian may give you a somewhat different perspective on Christianity ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Re Here's one you might find of interest, Seraphita, albeit not an easy read: Julian of Norwich, Theologian, by Denys Turner: I read Turner's The Darkness of God. Excellent! His basic idea was that mystical experience is *not* some special experience - say an experience of nothingness (ie, some far-out trip) but rather the realisation that *all* experiences - even the most mundane experiences - are in actuality empty. And as for Dame Julian - she's one of my heroes (heroines). I've read her Revelations in three different editions. She's the real deal. The best one to get is the Dover edition. The punctuation is modernised but otherwise the text follows the original. Yes, you have to take a deep breath and a running jump before reading each sentence but the sense that you've genuinely approached the medieval mind-set is palpable. Lord knows what modern Protestants make of her visions! http://tinyurl.com/p7nwo3z http://tinyurl.com/p7nwo3z ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Here's one you might find of interest, Seraphita, albeit not an easy read: Julian of Norwich, Theologian, by Denys Turner. (Julian is best known for the famous quote All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well. But Turner has some startling insights into her theology that go way beyond the traditional take on her work.) Seraphita wrote: For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better written and more suggestive. Myth and Ritual In Christianity (only available second-hand) approached Christianity by ignoring completely its truth or falsity and treating the sacraments purely as myth. Behold the Spirit is one of the best books that Watts wrote (it's my personal favourite), a wonderfully perceptive account of the mystical strain in Christianity. Pity he was a (genuine) sex addict and a serious alcoholic. The two vices are linked as he said he only felt sexy when he was drunk. And he knew even less about meditation than I do! Still, his faults were his problem; we can enjoy his insights.
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: A hole in the head - the solution to your problems?
Re noozguru/jr_esq: neither ayurveda nor astrology seem amenable to scientific evaluation. Don't know much about ayurveda? It's just biochemistry. On 10/20/2013 04:08 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com wrote: All of us are born with holes in our skulls. For most of us the hole space is sealed up by growing tissue by our first birthday. For some, however, the holes are never permanently sealed and so they are naturally treppaned. A medieval burial ground was recently investigated and researchers discovered something very intriguing. Almost all the remains of lower-caste people (peasants, labourers, etc) had normal skulls; almost all the skulls of the high caste (magistrates, church dignitaries, etc) had unsealed holes in their skulls. The link between high achievers and trepanation (naturally occurring in this case) is worth following up. I wonder if someone could investigate if high achievers today show a similar bias towards the holes. Shouldn't be too difficult to find out. The hole in the head thing isn't just for psychedelic druggies who want to stay high permanently but could be a way of enhancing creativity. As holes can be re-sealed later I wonder if an experiment involving volunteers and a control group might be feasible. Re noozguru/jr_esq: neither ayurveda nor astrology seem amenable to scientific evaluation. By the way, Countess Amanda Feilding I mention (the one who wanted free trepanning operations for everyone in the UK) actually performed her own trepanation on herself with a power drill! There's footage in the DVD. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote: Seraphita, There's no need for this operation. Why? Because there is already a subtle and astrological connection between the top of the head to the star Polaris, the source of cosmic manifestation here on earth. Please, see my earlier post regarding Prisca Theologia for details of the lecture by Santos Bonacci regarding syncretism. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote: Seems a bit extreme. You can manipulate the metabolism to increase blood flow to the brain. That's something that ayurveda is good at. On 10/19/2013 07:30 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... wrote: A Hole in the Head is an hour-long documentary about trepanation - the process of boring a hole in the skull. It examines the development of modern trepanation as used by people in the UK, the USA, and the Netherlands for the purpose of attaining a higher level of consciousness. This procedure, used by the ancient Egyptians, Incas, and others, is believed by the voluntarily trepanned to allow for renewed brain pulsations that increase brain blood volume and thereby improve brain function. Interviews regarding the history and efficacy of the procedure are also held with some of the world's most respected neurosurgeons and anthropologists. There's an appearance by Countess Amanda Feilding. Twice Amanda stood for Parliament in Chelsea, London, as an independent on a manifesto with a singular topic - trepanning for free to everyone on the National Health Service! In 1979 she polled 40 votes, and in 1983 she managed 139. John Lennon tried (unsuccessfully) to persuade the other Beatles to undergo the procedure. If he'd succeeded maybe all those who followed the Fab Four from LSD to TM would now be treppaned! Ye gods! How boring and conformist modern society seems in comparison to those heady sixties. Does the procedure do what it is claimed? How about some enterprising FFLifers volunteering to undergo the operation and then reporting back to the forum on the benefits? I've seen the film and one of the sadder interviewees is a young woman who, following an accident, had a hole in her skull. She was very chirpy and upbeat when first seen. Her doctors advised her to have the hole sealed with surgery. An interview at the end of the film shows her after the operation and she is strikingly depressed! Is trepanation a fast-track to enlightenment? A newspaper article about the countess is here: http://tinyurl.com/y38drfk The trailer for the DVD is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoU_-ru8yEc
Re: Re: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare!
The problem with many pills is that they have harmful side effects. What is even more alarming in some ways, is that people have come to accept harmful side effects as par for the course. In addition, obviously there are some procedures, such as are found in physical and occupational therapy that could never be replaced by a pill. Unless Big Pharma comes to insist on it! On Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:50 PM, authfri...@yahoo.com authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: The trend in which medical science has advanced such that an ailment can be cured with a pill rather than an expensive procedure? Sounds good to me. Mike wrote: Only time will tell. Remember, Obama said there comes a time when we'll just have to give somebody a *pill* instead of that expensive procedure. I would say that's moving in that direction. Just follow the trend. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:33 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! Paranoid much? Mike wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it?
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Pope Francis technique
Re A much more interesting read is Watts' The Supreme Identity (1950) which is largely based upon the insights of Rene Guenon.: Yes, I've been intending to read that. As you have given it the thumbs up, if it turns up in a second-hand bookshop I'll definitely grab it. It's out of print of course. (Beyond Theology was another Watts' book in this field but I found it a disappointment. Psychotherapy East and West is another title some people rave about but I found it pedestrian.) On a completely different topic: Alan Watts' The Joyous Cosmology (ghastly title!) is the best description of the LSD experience. It's even better than Huxley's classic Doors of Perception. Philosophy as poetry - and short and sweet. Check it out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: A much more interesting read is Watts' The Supreme Identity (1950) which is largely based upon the insights of Rene Guenon. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better written and more suggestive. Myth and Ritual In Christianity (only available second-hand) approached Christianity by ignoring completely its truth or falsity and treating the sacraments purely as myth. Behold the Spirit is one of the best books that Watts wrote (it's my personal favourite), a wonderfully perceptive account of the mystical strain in Christianity. Pity he was a (genuine) sex addict and a serious alcoholic. The two vices are linked as he said he only felt sexy when he was drunk. And he knew even less about meditation than I do! Still, his faults were his problem; we can enjoy his insights. ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend@... wrote: Barry's already made two WHOPPING bloopers today, but I guess he figures he needs to round things off with a third. And what a third... When Barry's panties get in a twist, it has the effect of shutting down what little is left of his brains. Of all the mind-numbingly stupid posts he's made--and I have 18 years' worth from which to choose--this one tops them all. (snip) Barry wrote: Anyone daring to use the term anti-Semitic has already withdrawn from the company of thinking individuals on planet Earth. You're implying that one group of people's fantasies about how the universe works are more important than, more true than, and and more inviolable than, anyone else's. Me, I class ALL religious beliefs as fantasies. I think that qualifies me as an egalitarian, unlike some who get their panties in a twist when their particular fantasies are challenged. :-)
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Share wrote: The problem with many pills is that they have harmful side effects. Another astounding and penetratingly relevant insight from Share. What is even more alarming in some ways, is that people have come to accept harmful side effects as par for the course. Which might, depending on the specific situation, be less harmful than those of an expensive procedure. In addition, obviously there are some procedures, such as are found in physical and occupational therapy that could never be replaced by a pill. Unless Big Pharma comes to insist on it! I don't actually think Obama was referring to physical or occupational therapy when he talked about expensive procedures being replaced by a pill, do you? But Judy... I wrote: The trend in which medical science has advanced such that an ailment can be cured with a pill rather than an expensive procedure? Sounds good to me. Mike wrote: Only time will tell. Remember, Obama said there comes a time when we'll just have to give somebody a *pill* instead of that expensive procedure. I would say that's moving in that direction. Just follow the trend. From: authfriend@... authfriend@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2013 8:33 AM Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! Paranoid much? Mike wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: House on Obamacare!
I think Lenin meant the elite rich when he was talking about the bourgeoisie because Russians had become so oppressed that everyone else (the proletariat) were simple laborers. We don't quite have that (yet) in the US. The class struggle in the US is the small number of the elite rich who have hoarded most of the wealth and are trying to destroy the middle class to turn them into the proletariat. Fine with me and a lot of other middle class folks if we grind the bourgeoisie (the obscenely rich) down. And you lived in the Eastern Block, correct? IOW, a failed version of socialism. On 10/20/2013 06:06 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com wrote: The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation. http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vladimirle125951.html Vladimir Lenin http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vladimirle125951.html ---In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote: It's meant to be a flop. This is just a transitional stage to a single payer health care system. Think *incremental-ism*. We're heading towards *equality for all*. We'll all have a share in mediocrity, which will constantly be defined down. If I can't have what you have, I'll make sure you can't have it either. We're not evolving, we're devolving, just like the Soviet Union did. Soon, government will dictate the *ideal* life span. If your genes take you beyond that, then that's not fair and government will have to remedy that.If your genes fail to get you to that ideal point then you'll get extra help to get you there, at other's expense. Now that's fair, isn't it? *From:* Richard J. Williams punditster@... *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, October 20, 2013 7:35 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] House on Obamacare! There is one thing we can say about Obama care - it’s a disaster. ...2½ weeks after the launch of the “exchanges” that are supposed to be ObamaCare’s operational centerpiece, it is clear to almost everyone that they are an administrative disaster. In this crisis, there is an opportunity: to recognize an impending economic and humanitarian disaster, and to act in time to avert or at least minimize it. James Tarranto: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143462696720716?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion Four Things We Think We Know About Obamacare: 1. You have until March 31 to buy health insurance. 2. The penalty for being uninsured next year is $95. 3. If the exchanges don’t work, as a last resort, we can always get people signed up through call centers. 4. The state exchanges are doing fine. Megan McArdle: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-18/four-things-we-think-we-know-about-obamacare.html On 10/20/2013 3:02 AM, cardemaister@... mailto:cardemaister@... wrote: http://www.buzzfeed.com/bennyjohnson/obamacare-failures-as-told-by-dr-house
[FairfieldLife] RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Pope Francis technique
Re Turner's take on Julian may give you a somewhat different perspective on Christianity.: Thanks, I've added the book to Saved for Later on my Amazon list. Would you describe yourself as a Christian? If not, is there another label you would be happier with? I hate labels myself - too constricting - but as I live in a country whose major current of spiritual teaching has always been Christianity I do sometimes wonder if actually I could describe Christ as *our* Saviour - and therefore *my* Saviour. And this despite the fact that my mum and dad always disagreed as to whether or not I'd ever actually been baptised!. Buddha, Krishna, Lao-Tse, and so on, are invaluable but my appreciation is essentially intellectual whereas the Gospel accounts have the advantage of a powerful emotional impact. Need I add that pronouncements by Church leaders of all denominations always leave me shaking my head in despair! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Turner's take on Julian may give you a somewhat different perspective on Christianity ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Re Here's one you might find of interest, Seraphita, albeit not an easy read: Julian of Norwich, Theologian, by Denys Turner: I read Turner's The Darkness of God. Excellent! His basic idea was that mystical experience is *not* some special experience - say an experience of nothingness (ie, some far-out trip) but rather the realisation that *all* experiences - even the most mundane experiences - are in actuality empty. And as for Dame Julian - she's one of my heroes (heroines). I've read her Revelations in three different editions. She's the real deal. The best one to get is the Dover edition. The punctuation is modernised but otherwise the text follows the original. Yes, you have to take a deep breath and a running jump before reading each sentence but the sense that you've genuinely approached the medieval mind-set is palpable. Lord knows what modern Protestants make of her visions! http://tinyurl.com/p7nwo3z http://tinyurl.com/p7nwo3z ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Here's one you might find of interest, Seraphita, albeit not an easy read: Julian of Norwich, Theologian, by Denys Turner. (Julian is best known for the famous quote All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well. But Turner has some startling insights into her theology that go way beyond the traditional take on her work.) Seraphita wrote: For those interested in the Christian faith can I recommend two books by Alan Watts. He made a name for himself with his books on Zen and eastern religions. Those books are all readable and rewarding - if approached with caution - but I've found his earlier works on Christianity both better written and more suggestive. Myth and Ritual In Christianity (only available second-hand) approached Christianity by ignoring completely its truth or falsity and treating the sacraments purely as myth. Behold the Spirit is one of the best books that Watts wrote (it's my personal favourite), a wonderfully perceptive account of the mystical strain in Christianity. Pity he was a (genuine) sex addict and a serious alcoholic. The two vices are linked as he said he only felt sexy when he was drunk. And he knew even less about meditation than I do! Still, his faults were his problem; we can enjoy his insights.
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I don't know. What is the difference between 'love' and 'pure love'? When people fall in love, they tend to be, for a while, enslaved by that feeling because ego becomes subdued. When one loves, though, there is a flow from subject to the perceived object, but I am not clear on what 'purity' means here. I do not see how loving can enslave anything. Obsession can enslave its object. But loving enslaves the subject that perceives the object. Can one love something completely abstract, like pure consciousness? There does not seem to be anything there for flow to occur. God so loved the world he killed his kid. Now on a human level that is just murder. People are always killing the object of their love, if that focus on the object is not returned by the object. One could take this metaphorically and say something like the universe itself is so in love with itself that it has provided a trap door into which an individual falls and dies becoming in their own awareness the universe itself. That trap door is whatever spiritual path one has chosen, provided it accomplishes that end. Can pure being, which has no definition be considered love? For love to occur some emptiness must exist to be filled, so it seems to me love is not a thing or a state but a process of becoming and is not therefore 'pure' in any sense. But as I do not know the answer to this I can take suggestions. I have never been into bhakti , it is totally unnatural for me, so love of guru or some supposed sacred something would never appeal and never has appealed to me. However one always experiences a flow in the direction of what one likes, so devotion is really a part of anything that appeals to one, in greater or lesser degree, so devotion is not really a path, it is what allows one to stay on whatever path is their path. To my mind, teachers that hawk devotion as a path are trying to package obedience to their wishes thwarting the natural process of flow. Students do admire and sometimes love their teachers, and as long as the teacher does not artificially try to foster that and just gives the students what they need to succeed, I think that is fine. The goal is not to venerate the teacher but to live, understand, and even improve upon what the teacher knows. This tends not to happen in religion, where the situation devolves into focusing on the character of the teacher rather than on what teacher wanted them to know. Does god love? If god is defined as wholeness, then god is complete and has no need of anything, being everything, and why would that be love? There is YHWH in the Torah, who in human terms could hardly be called loving. We throw people in prison today, for doing what YHWH does in the Bible. YHWH in the Bible is not an abstract being, but rather just a magnification of very human characteristics, rather unsavoury ones at that. But as mankind evolves there seems to be a tendency to more abstract conceptions of what people use the word 'god' for, though it does not seem to have progressed all that much. You find very abstract conceptions of Zeus in some of the pre-Socratic philosophers, based on what survives of their work, and those that followed them in later centuries. While you have that almost daemon-like entity in the Torah, you also have more abstract versions of god in Cabbalah, Jewish esoteric interpretations of scripture, which are much more in line with what people who seek enlightenment are engaged in. You said, Like that, God, or we can call it Life, wants to give us all of itself, but in the end, we are all of it, and have always been, so is that love? Maybe it just depends on how you parse the situation. If you love yourself, there being no other, is that love or vanity? == ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Xeno, is it even possible to enslave out of pure Love? I believe that it is and that it is one of the great paradoxes of life. Like the way a parent will set strong boundaries to protect their child. Like that, God, or we can call it Life, wants to give us all of itself. It will put us through hell in order to do this. But that is an expression of its great love for us. When we see this and stop fighting the river, then the journey of non ending coupling of us and Life is smoother if not ecstatic. On Sunday, October 20, 2013 11:37 AM, anartaxius@... anartaxius@... wrote: Share wrote: 'OTOH maybe God does want to enslave us, but only out of pure Love.' Were I this god, I would love this; you have succumbed to the propaganda of a tyrant. Thomas Jefferson, an admirer of Jesus but not of much else in the Christian Bible wrote of this god of the Torah (as the Christians inherited the scriptures of the Jews) in rather disparaging terms: 'There are, I acknowledge, passages not free from objection, which we may, with probability, ascribe to Jesus himself; but claiming indulgence
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote: (snip) Would you describe yourself as a Christian? If not, is there another label you would be happier with? I can't think of a label that fits me. My heritage is Christian (Presbyterian), but I didn't have a religious upbringing, and I'm not a believer. On the other hand, I find there's a lot to appreciate in thoughtful Christian theology. For that matter, I've found a lot to appreciate in every theology I've looked into. I hate labels myself - too constricting - but as I live in a country whose major current of spiritual teaching has always been Christianity I do sometimes wonder if actually I could describe Christ as *our* Saviour - and therefore *my* Saviour. And this despite the fact that my mum and dad always disagreed as to whether or not I'd ever actually been baptised!. Yeah, you'd need to get that little detail out of the way. Buddha, Krishna, Lao-Tse, and so on, are invaluable but my appreciation is essentially intellectual whereas the Gospel accounts have the advantage of a powerful emotional impact. Ever listen to good religious music, like, say, Bach's Mass in B Minor? Need I add that pronouncements by Church leaders of all denominations always leave me shaking my head in despair! Pope Francis has said some pretty good stuff recently. Have you been reading his interviews?
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Which war? Om, you know that one that freed the slaves and brought more equal rights to all those people. Yep, and brass music like http://1stbrigadeband.org/website/audio/13Cavalry.mp3 http://1stbrigadeband.org/website/audio/13Cavalry.mp3 http://www.1stbrigadeband.org/website/audio/9CruelWar.mp3 http://www.1stbrigadeband.org/website/audio/9CruelWar.mp3 Having a war horse is an amazing and special thing. Taking a horse in to war is an incredible thing to ask. Not just any horse can do it. Occasionally a horse comes along that has a head and heart for the soldiering. When you get a good horse trained up to it as a seasoned campaigner veteran is particularly special. To the point where they even know the evolution of the drill; http://www.icelandichorse.info/cavalrydrillsheet.html http://www.icelandichorse.info/cavalrydrillsheet.html ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Buck wrote: (snip) I always like the fife and drum of our revolutionary war and the Sousa kinds of brass and drums of the war of the rebellion. Which war of the rebellion would that be? Sousa was born in 1854. (I'm a huge Sousa fan myself. Stars and Stripes Forever just makes me swoon with its wonderful in-your-face American brashness.) I enjoyed the rest of your post. Fortunately you haven't had to kill anybody. They quicken my step and lift my heart. I spent a lot of life on picket in the cavalry on horse. Been a lot of places, ridden a lot of battle lines and been in a lot of battle lines. Slept out on the ground a lot with my feet to a fire and with my horse's reins tied to my hand. Been rained on and snowed on in the saddle a lot. I have marveled at the Swiss mountain troops with their guns at home, troops with their mountain horses kept on call at home, I've walked their tank traps across their frontiers. I flew out once over our National Cemetery at Luxembourg that Patton layed out but never got to tour much else in Europe other than finding the Michelangelo Pietas around Italy one time after an ATR course with Maharishi. Made it to the Sistine. That leaning tower. Other than that I have not been off the farm much. I have ridden my horse in the sunken lanes at both Antietem and Frederickberg. Ridden the battle line at Gettysburg. Ridden Jockey Hollow with Washington and Valley Forge too. I was in saddle at the battle line at Prairie Grove. Rode the length of the battle line that Lyon laid out at Wilson's Creek. Rode up telegraph road and the heights at Pea Ridge. Was in the charge of Elkhorn Tavern. Screened the horse drawn artillery at Carthage. Cross the river at Athens and supported the charge there. In the saddle at Perryville. Been on some bunch of long scouts in force. The retreat of the army at Brice's Cross roads. A couple of my best war horses are gone now. I got one left that has been with me everywhere. He's seen everything. Sunday evening and time now to go sing old hymns, -Buck in time of Peace right now
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Meru, Well, the first time I got kicked out of the Dome was for historical-period-looking facial hair like some of these guys have too. I was going to be an extra in Ride with the Devil but then I got stopped one time while renewing my Dome badge for facial hair so I then trimmed and crafted the hair down some and then lost the job. Damn. At the time the guy at the course office had a 'stash about the trim length of Adolf's and that was okay.I did point out that I had my very typed period cavalry beard and hussar's 'stash for theatrical reasons, just like Doug Henning used his long hair and facial hair look. Of course the irony did not register. Didn't do any good according to the guidelines and the nature of the movement then. My appeal apparently went clear to the top and back down again I was told, with the message coming back he should just be more simple''. http://twitchfilm.com/2010/04/ang-lee-ride-with-the-devil-blu-ray-review.html http://twitchfilm.com/2010/04/ang-lee-ride-with-the-devil-blu-ray-review.html -Buck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Meru; Respect, camaraderie, solidarity . I always like the fife and drum of our revolutionary war and the Sousa kinds of brass and drums of the war of the rebellion. They quicken my step and lift my heart. I spent a lot of life on picket in the cavalry on horse. Been a lot of places, ridden a lot of battle lines and been in a lot of battle lines. Slept out on the ground a lot with my feet to a fire and with my horse's reins tied to my hand. Been rained on and snowed on in the saddle a lot. I have marveled at the Swiss mountain troops with their guns at home, troops with their mountain horses kept on call at home, I've walked their tank traps across their frontiers. I flew out once over our National Cemetery at Luxembourg that Patton layed out but never got to tour much else in Europe other than finding the Michelangelo Pietas around Italy one time after an ATR course with Maharishi. Made it to the Sistine. That leaning tower. Other than that I have not been off the farm much. I have ridden my horse in the sunken lanes at both Antietem and Frederickberg. Ridden the battle line at Gettysburg. Ridden Jockey Hollow with Washington and Valley Forge too. I was in saddle at the battle line at Prairie Grove. Rode the length of the battle line that Lyon laid out at Wilson's Creek. Rode up telegraph road and the heights at Pea Ridge. Was in the charge of Elkhorn Tavern. Screened the horse drawn artillery at Carthage. Cross the river at Athens and supported the charge there. In the saddle at Perryville. Been on some bunch of long scouts in force. The retreat of the army at Brice's Cross roads. A couple of my best war horses are gone now. I got one left that has been with me everywhere. He's seen everything. Sunday evening and time now to go sing old hymns, -Buck in time of Peace right now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com wrote: OMG Napoleon enthusiasts Buck re-enact Battle of Waterloo -let's see it live.,at least the 2011 the tantamount to glorifying the carnage of war. . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RpcZJArQ8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk Movies enactment--- why oh why with Beethoven http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORMZdp61LG4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_2xjx2iLk Will you wait for the 2013 YouTube broadcast? Each year and today(yesterday=Sunday) some 6,000 history buffs dress up today in period military costume to re-enact one of Germany's bloodiest battles, the Battle of the Nations where French Emperor Napoleon Bonaparte was defeated near Leipzig in October 1813 by forces from Russia, Austria, Prussia and Sweden.(A n estimated 600,000 soldiers took part in the series of battles from 16-19 October 1813 and almost 100,000 of them lost their lives.The victory of the allies - including a small British contingent - over Napoleon marked the end of his control of German territory.) Yes, organizers say their controversial re-enactment is intended to be peaceful and to bring history alive. Many of the thousands taking part have grown period-style mustaches to match their 19th Century replica uniforms. Local TV reports live from the scene while the role of Napoleon is being played by a 46-year-old Parisian lawyer, Frank Samson, who taught himself the Corsican language in an attempt to give a more authentic performance as the French emperor.-Sure will be on you-tube , soon for Buck to... whatever you feel watching. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZD2SaA5aak http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZD2SaA5aak
