[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Okay Ravi, since you have accused me of slander, I will post your statement. Then advise if you wish to withdraw the charge of slander. One correction: The post was made on Batgap, not FFL From Batgap: Post 4466, Sunday May 16, 2010, 2:11 am Now she has her complete attention on me because of my energy..:-). I told her that she had to stop treating Amma as her guru and that I would be her Guru from today and she completely, innocently, with complete faith accepted it and I made her repeat it 3 times - I reject Amma and accept Ravi as my Guru..LOL.. Oh what a woman !!! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Steve baby - this is an example of why you are branded as an idiot. You can't even come up with something clever, pertinent, original, inventive, intelligent even while indulging in slander. On Dec 7, 2012, at 7:17 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin is a good and honorable man who treated you with fairness, respect, and compassion even after you turned on him. You can do nothing helpful where Robin is concerned other than wake up, smell the coffee, and acknowledge how appallingly badly and dishonestly you've treated him due
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Share, I suppose it is a matter of hurting his feelings. But really this is just his M O 90% of time. Demeaning and insulting is what he does. It is how he interacts. He will sometimes defend those people he likes, but mostly he just insults and demeans the people he doesn't like. And it doesn't take much to go from one to the other. And that is why I am so perplexed how someone would ascribe loyalty as one of his traits. I mean DD came dangerous close to go from Ravi's friend list to his enemy's list with a comment he made. If DD had come up with an unfavorable follow up comment, then we likely would have seen the famous Ravi switch. BTW, I'll post DD's comment here, since I felt it was so appropiate. DD Ravi:The grinding sound is because you are stuck in first gear. Push in the clutch and shift into second, then third, etc. It was a good comment. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Thank you Steve for all your support. Hope you and family are well and happy. I very much regret having hurt Ravi's feelings. From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 7, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT  Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Then talk TO him, don't talk ABOUT him. Grow a spine and address people directly, not through others. Put yourself out there where it can be a little bit scary and take a chance. Your hazy generalizations of how sorry you are or how misunderstood or how silly you think you can be at times just aren't cutting the mustard. Get out the steak knife and go for some real meat. Stop playing the damsel and GET REAL. You don't think I 'm going to take flak for this post? But at least I'm telling you how I really feel and showing you who I am, it doesn't come without consequences (especially here). Just look at the invective Robin is getting dealt right now. Now shit or get off the pot, woman. Ann, these are certainly nice sentiments. But real dialogue is generally in short supply here. And really, I don't know if I would identify Ravi as one with whom one could have a meaningful dialogue. I don't know if he is even interested in such. His interaction over the three or four years is basically how we see him interacting with Share, Barry, me, and most others. So for you to suggest to engage Ravi in any kind of meaningful way, seems a bit misplaced. IMO of course.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
But having said that, let me at least congratulate you on interacting in such a way to gain insight into some of your motivations. At least you saved the insults until the end. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Hmm. Ann doesn't seem to be saying anything about dialogue per se. Maybe you should read what she wrote again? You are a peculiar one, Judy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
My bad. Going back and reading the posts, I see the usual insults sprinkled throughout. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: But having said that, let me at least congratulate you on interacting in such a way to gain insight into some of your motivations. At least you saved the insults until the end. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Well yes, I guess you are right. In light of some of the (public) postings you have made elsewhere, you have basically disassociated yourself from your wife and kids. So I guess you are right. You wanted a clean break and you got it. Good for you for living up to your financial and filial obligations. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Steve - you seriously need to stop this dishonesty, slander and obsession on my personal life - I have talked about this before, I didn't have to but gave her everything out of my own free will and happily, so happily that her own attorney felt the need to apologize to me. I earn more than I have ever have and I have enough to keep everyone happy including myself. If you are mad about me insulting you, just fucking say it. This is cause for joy - that I have integrated, healed myself all the while working, supporting my family - that I'm thriving in spite of the tremendous upheaval my mystical experiences have caused. I'm totally free to be myself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. And good for you for applauding Ravi's intelligence put to such good use here. Maybe that is why you remind me so much of Puzzle, the silly ass donkey in the The Chronicles of Narnia. The one who was so easily manipulated and couldn't really think for himself. (and that is putting it mildly) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything. Pay no attention to Steve, folks. He's just jealous that Ravi's I.Q. is over 100.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back From the Edge
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Yes, that's black and white thinking. That abusing children or animals is wrong is another example. Swindling elderly widows out of their pensions is another. A guru sleeping with his followers is another. Dumping untreated sewage into a river that's used for drinking water is another. Forced religious conversion is another. Making fun of people with physical disabilities is another. Just curious. Would that include gratitous use of the work retard? Or is that exempt because it is a mental disability?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 5:11 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...wrote: Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. Bravo Steve - you finally got something right..LOL. And you've got something to be proud of, other than paying child support and sending money to your mother in India.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Okay. Yes she does much of what you say. At other times she appears so deferential to Judy, that that comparison came to mind. I retract the comparison. But as to the other entity in the relationship, Shift, the ape, I still reserve judgement. I like the raunchydog. (at least most of the time anyway) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Steve, you can't be serious.  Are you being ironic?  Raunchy puts out some of the most creative, ballsy, insightful, and individual posts here.  You don't think she can think for herself?  From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT  Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. And good for you for applauding Ravi's intelligence put to such good use here. Maybe that is why you remind me so much of Puzzle, the silly ass donkey in the The Chronicles of Narnia. The one who was so easily manipulated and couldn't really think for himself. (and that is putting it mildly)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything. Pay no attention to Steve, folks. He's just jealous that Ravi's I.Q. is over 100.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Not quite - I have never wanted a clean break from the kids. The existence forced me to - same thing with the financial obligation. In 2009, in a mystically deceived, intoxicated state I begged my ex to take everything and release me from all financial obligations so I could just wander as a yogi and enjoy my bliss. I'm so glad she refused to entertain me on the latter. I can see how stupid it sounds in retrospect - no, it's all good, it's perfect now. You know what. That makes sense. (no sarcasm in case anyone was wondering)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Our group hug
I'm down with that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: So many folks here are full of angry displays that I've lost faith in humanity. Everyone here needs to recognize that none of it means anything - it will all be meaningless in a month. I think we all need a group hug. Here ... let's all gather 'round and pray for forgiveness. Let's do it now ... and the grenades on my vest are just for looks. Honest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Thank you, Ravi, for sharing such an emotionally painful time in your life and expressing yourself so beautifully. You didn't have to do that, and I trust you did it for your own benefit and not for Steve's. Now he can just STFU about your personal life whenever he's feeling inadequate to the task of writing a decent comeback to an insult. Oh you are a piece of work Raunchy. What a flaming hypocrite you are. I am sorry if people are held accountable for their public postings when they even brag about their trials and tribulations being on display. Poor victim raunchy. Queen of the double standard. Head of one way rigorous honesty department. No Puzzle comparison here. Just plain, bald faced hypocrisy. Break ups can be so crushing to the spirit. It's understandable, not stupid, that you may have felt like giving up. When there's no fight left, you just want it to be over, escape the pain and be free. And, now my blissful yogi friend, lover of Devi, life is good. Party on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Steve - you seriously need to stop this dishonesty, slander and obsession on my personal life - I have talked about this before, I didn't have to but gave her everything out of my own free will and happily, so happily that her own attorney felt the need to apologize to me. I earn more than I have ever have and I have enough to keep everyone happy including myself. If you are mad about me insulting you, just fucking say it. This is cause for joy - that I have integrated, healed myself all the while working, supporting my family - that I'm thriving in spite of the tremendous upheaval my mystical experiences have caused. I'm totally free to be myself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Thank you for recognizing my brilliance Robin. I know it's taken you a while. After these flame wars settle down some, I'll try to clue you in on what makes a valid comparison, and what does not. If I forget, remind me. Your Friend in Christ, Steve --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: You can't believe what you say here, Emily. You are defensive and subjective and desperate. That's the way it comes across. You act as if these features of raunchy are self-evident. I guess they are. No, this was a factual post--finally. I guess I have to change my mind. This is called no-brainer objectification of subjectivity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Steve, you can't be serious.  Are you being ironic?  Raunchy puts out some of the most creative, ballsy, insightful, and individual posts here.  You don't think she can think for herself?  From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT  Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. And good for you for applauding Ravi's intelligence put to such good use here. Maybe that is why you remind me so much of Puzzle, the silly ass donkey in the The Chronicles of Narnia. The one who was so easily manipulated and couldn't really think for himself. (and that is putting it mildly)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything. Pay no attention to Steve, folks. He's just jealous that Ravi's I.Q. is over 100.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Back From the Edge
Goddamnit Ravi. Stop being nice. But really, I appreciate your comments. I empathize with what you have gone through. I think you have been courageous to post all that you have posted online. I would extend my hand in assistance in any way I could. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@...wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Yes, that's black and white thinking. That abusing children or animals is wrong is another example. Swindling elderly widows out of their pensions is another. A guru sleeping with his followers is another. Dumping untreated sewage into a river that's used for drinking water is another. Forced religious conversion is another. Making fun of people with physical disabilities is another. Just curious. Would that include gratitous use of the work retard? Or is that exempt because it is a mental disability? Steve - I don't think Judy and/or anyone else has supported or will support me for the use of that word. I wouldn't dare use it with people of actual disability, I use it in a specific context, on FFL assuming people here are mature, intelligent adults emotionally healthy enough to deal with the usage of that word. You have to remember I may insult but insults do not make me and I would gladly apologize if someone's offended on a personal level. In any case her statement doesn't apply because I am not insulting anyone with a mental disability - that is quite obvious since almost everyone who posts here is intelligent.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: That's ridiculous Steve. One - I don't know how someone can brag about trials and tribulations and two - all you had was a negative spin on my public postings. She's right on. Fair enough Ravi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: Thank you for recognizing my brilliance Robin. I know it's taken you a while. After these flame wars settle down some, I'll try to clue you in on what makes a valid comparison, and what does not. If I forget, remind me. Your Friend in Christ, Steve Dear Steve, I'm in to the Christ consciousness of the Unified Field too. -Buck Then let me take you in my embrace. Let us pray: Dear Lord, these have been trying times at FFL. Really, we had a few days of calm, but it pretty much all busted open starting last night. And Lord, I am perplexed. How can it be that people who are like minded about so many things, can have such vehement disagreements? Even in your wisdom Lord, I don't know if you can adequately answer this. Lord, include me and Ravi in your prayers. I feel that some measure of reconciliation has taken place between us, and I thank you for that. And bless Share, and Emily, and Judy, and the Raunchdog. (I know Lord that that name is a little peculiar, but she is a fine person. She is someone I would want to have on my team.) And Lord, forget not our dear friend in Canada, Robin Woodsworth Carlson. A fine fellow he is, who only recently came out from his seclusion. Help him Lord to be understood properly. And also Irantea, and Xeno, and all the others I haven't mentioned here Lord, including Barry, and even Curtis. Okay, even Vaj. Thank you Lord. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: You can't believe what you say here, Emily. You are defensive and subjective and desperate. That's the way it comes across. You act as if these features of raunchy are self-evident. I guess they are. No, this was a factual post--finally. I guess I have to change my mind. This is called no-brainer objectification of subjectivity. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Steve, you can't be serious.  Are you being ironic?  Raunchy puts out some of the most creative, ballsy, insightful, and individual posts here.  You don't think she can think for herself?  From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 8, 2012 5:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT  Raunch, you and Ravi do excel in the insult department. And good for you for applauding Ravi's intelligence put to such good use here. Maybe that is why you remind me so much of Puzzle, the silly ass donkey in the The Chronicles of Narnia. The one who was so easily manipulated and couldn't really think for himself. (and that is putting it mildly)  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: So it's still slander Steve baby, any time retards try to judge me - it's slander :-) Whatever you say Ravi. Whatever you say. And evidently that is the attitude you must have shown to the judge, because from what you've said here, and on other forums, you got nothing, and she got everything. Pay no attention to Steve, folks. He's just jealous that Ravi's I.Q. is over 100.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New Video: Talk a Lot
Still smiling from that. Thanks! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Here's my latest music video Talk a Lot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPmllQDYRMI Enjoy! Yes, indeed! I thoroughly enjoyed your video, fun lighthearted music. Thank you. Loved the kick-line. The FFLife home page showing up on a computer screen, was a delightful surprise. Good attention to detail. I know it takes a lot of work editing to get your characters to move in time to the music. Good job. Your characters have a lot more detail than in previous videos. Are you using a different program to generate the animation or have you improved with practice?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin is a good and honorable man who treated you with fairness, respect, and compassion even after you turned on him. You can do nothing helpful where Robin is concerned other than wake up, smell the coffee, and acknowledge how appallingly badly and dishonestly you've treated him due to your inability to face your own weaknesses. If you are incapable of dealing with that reality, just keep your poisonous trap shut about him. You are the most toxic personality I have ever encountered. You make my skin crawl. And I notice you slithered away from responding to my question: Yes, the whole situation became confusing, agonizing and eventually poignant. Even more reason to immediately name the hallucination or delusion or pragyaparadh when it appears so that unnecessary suffering can be avoided. And what is it that will do this naming for us, Share?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin is a good and honorable man who treated you with fairness, respect, and compassion even after you turned on him. You can do nothing helpful where Robin is concerned other than wake up, smell the coffee, and acknowledge how appallingly badly and dishonestly you've treated him due to your inability to face your own weaknesses. If you are incapable of dealing with that reality, just keep your poisonous trap shut about him. You are the most toxic personality I have ever encountered. You make my skin crawl. And I notice you slithered away from responding to my question: Yes, the whole situation became confusing, agonizing and eventually poignant. Even more reason to immediately name the hallucination or delusion or pragyaparadh when it appears so that unnecessary suffering can be avoided. And what is it that will do this naming for us, Share?
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
I'm trying. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Now you're getting into the spirit. Good one! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: Share, Always consider the source. As Ravi has said, much of his dysfunctionality is a matter of the public record, except for those posts (a considerable amount) he has managed to have expunged. He is on the record here, saying that he issued an ultimatum to his wife that she renounce Amma as her guru and instead accept him as her guru. So, as I've said, consider the source. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Share - I have to add, your posts to this thread have hilarious in their utter clueless-ness. You are not a person who has, so far shown any awareness, sensitivity, maturity - intellectual and/or emotional, intelligence to understand the nuances of any issue to be really compassionate. There is a difference between fake niceness and genuine compassion - in the absence of above your responses to Robin's posts come across as hilarious or malicious depending on my mood. I would say you are very much like Barry except he is overtly mean and you are not. Anyway I don't know what the sound of two paranoid, delusional people conversing is - I don't think it's possible, they are too..well paranoid and alike to get along with each other. So you are better off spending your time on FFL chatting to people like LG, Xeno and others if you don't want people to pile on you. On Fri, Dec 7, 2012 at 4:34 PM, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Judy, whatever the quality of Robin's intentions, they would have been under the influence of his self proclaimed state of mystical hallucination. Your ignoring, in relation to his intentions, that self proclamation of his Of course, I don't ignore it. You say that without having any idea of how I view this: You just made it up. Typical. I *disagree* that Robin's intentions would have been affected, made somehow negative, by his enlightenment. I see no reason why that would have been the case. You are taking delusion and hallucination too literally; those terms are only very roughly approximate, because there simply is no vocabulary to describe what happened to him. He himself has said his enlightenment was *real*, so there's obviously a paradoxical element to this that you haven't bothered to take into account. perpetuates an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT and is not IMO helpful in the present. This is what I am addressing, the present. Yes, I know you are. Your sole interest is in finding ways to portray him negatively *in the present*, and you'll make up whatever metaphysical rules you need to in order to do that. Your perpetuate an aspect of hallucination into the PRESENT doesn't make any sense. *You* don't even know what you mean by it. You have a desperate need to make Robin a Bad Guy to justify the disgusting way you've behaved toward him. I stand by what I said. The negative intelligences that brought about Robin's enlightenment *used* his good intentions--and those of everyone in his group--to further their own goals. That did not turn them into *bad* intentions. The bad intentions were those of the negative intelligences that took advantage of his innocence, his idealism, his loving nature, his desire to help others be the best they could possibly be. Though I recognize that I've made some mistakes about all this and will probably do so again, I will continue to address issues if I think it is helpful to do so. Robin is a good and honorable man who treated you with fairness, respect, and compassion even after you turned on him. You can do nothing helpful where Robin is concerned other than wake up, smell the coffee, and acknowledge how appallingly badly and dishonestly you've treated him due to your inability to face your own weaknesses. If you are incapable of dealing with that reality, just keep your poisonous trap shut about him. You are the most toxic personality I have ever encountered. You make my skin crawl
[FairfieldLife] Re: British Father's letter to his children
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: snip I get embarrassed about what I write sometimes - like most of today, for example. Â Note that I've begun apologizing all over the place and promising to back off. Â I am not that powerful a presence here that I can draw people in, but I can get on a roll and carry it for awhile. snip Hey, I relate to this. I hope you don't leave. We rarely see people here move through a situation. How can it possibly be pretty? It never is, but at least it is change, and hopefully greater understanding. Again, in very short supply around here. You are much loved by many.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
No matter. I think this is what it boils down to: You are site's largest contributor (by posting volume). Obviously you have a lot invested here. I would venture to say that for most people, what they hope to derive from participation here is some entertainment or relaxation value, and some greater insight into things. But for you, at least much of the time, it is about the win. And I suppose that is understandable, given the investment you make here on a daily and weekly basis. And the fact that no one else here is willing to go to the lenghts to which you go to achieve this end, the prize is often yours, by default. I suspect this situation is not uncommon for internet forums. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? So cute that you snipped what I was responding to, Steve. I bet you actually thought I wouldn't put it back, didn't you? [Share wrote:] I agree Xeno. I think Judy and I, and Robin and I also, are simply too different to ever understand each other. I said this to Robin after one of the several upsets. I've recently realized it about me and Judy too. I think it's just the way life sometimes is. My point is really not difficult to grasp in context, so I'm afraid I have to assume that both you and Xeno are intentionally misconstruing it. All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: snip Thank you, Steve. I am going to reread this on my death bed. I hope it's not anytime soon! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy to Xeno
It was a passionate, well written letter. But in the end, it's really a matter between Emily and Share, isn't it?* * yea, yea, all the usual caveats of the a public forum etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: I think Steve has dealt with the substance of Emily's analysis and his commentary here goes down much deeper into reality--and into himself--than does Emily's post. This to me makes the case for Steve: that what Emily went through to write her letter to Share entailed hardly anything that touched her compared to where Steve went in himself to write this. I feel I am eating humble pie now. You have just proven my philosophy, Steve. And I already feel the shame for Emily. Authfriend, she doesn't know what she is talking about. This post represents something so beautiful to be reading this Sunday night. Thank you, Steve. I am going to reread this on my death bed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: This also strikes me as quite odd. To feel that I would need to indicate, by name, those people who are apparantly in agreement with a position I might have. As Xeno, said, as though this makes the case for my position? All it indicates, is that someone is so invested in a position, that they must try to indicate public support for that position. It ignores the fact that there is probably an equal or greater number of people who feel differently, but just aren't obsessed with trying to assert the rightness of their opinon. But, in this case, Judy feels that it bolsters her position and thereby allows her to claim yet another internet forum victory. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: And how about Ann, raunchy, Emily, Alex, and Ravi? That's seven people who are apparently too different from you for you and them to understand each other--about half of the regulars who have had exchanges with you or have defended you. And that half haven't had any arguments with you to begin with, so there's no way to tell whether they would be able to understand you if they did. snip Note again that it isn't just Share and me whose views diverge and whose thinking styles are simply not compatible. It's Share versus Robin and Ann and raunchy and Emily and Alex and Ravi and me. Fatuous nonsense, Xeno.
[FairfieldLife] Re: from Judy
How one event can simultaeously cause tears of pain and tears of joy (-: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Judy sent me a private communique - to thank me for supporting her in full wts style (she has, of course, badly misinterpreted me as I am fully engaged in refuting this phenomenon and I will be the first to call her on this egregious misinterpretation on her part) - and to ask me to let ya'll know that her Comcast is on the fritz and she will be quiet until it is restored. Share, reality has answered your prayers. Judy, the non-existent wts crowd wishes your internet a speedy recovery.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: This evening's post count put her at 45, and the post you're commenting on here was her third after the post count. 45 + 3 = 48. Her post beginning with K! was number 49. I guess we can add basic arithmetic to your list of not so strong points. Hey, you got me there Alex. Now, if you could just better ascribe people's motives about things.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: It has come to my attention that much or most of my participation on FFL consists of putdowns such as this. In the future, I will try to do better. Hey Alex, sounds like someone made a suggestion to you, or maybe you just decided this without any input from others. But, as usual, you are one class act. Thanks for helping to take it down a notch. I hope I can do it as well. (but there's a lot of momentum moving in the opposite direction, for me at least)
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Judy backs up her ideas with facts that she doesn't make up. Her forthright style of presenting posts in evidence of your own words in the archives is perhaps emotionally unsettling, a trigger making you feel defensive but it doesn't negate the truth of what she says or what you have written. Rather than lash out at Judy ineffectually, deal with your triggers and deal with the reality of what she says, not as a victim but as an equally intelligent adult. If you want to make a case against her you cannot do this successfully if the starting point of your defense is based on fantasy. As the wise woman said: I hope you're not saying that *your* and your support group's reality is the one closest to the truth and that there's a need in you and in your support group to convince others to accept this. That would be proselytizing, wouldn't it? If *that's* the case, then perhaps you and I have nothing to discuss because we are never going to see eye to eye. I'm hoping that *isn't* the case.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: LG I'm really glad Share has such a stalwart defender as you. Since you're butting in on Share's behalf as if she were not an intelligent adult, capable of responding to my post herself, could you take a moment to read her mind as I have been unable to do and answer a few questions help understand her better? You can elaborate but yes or no will do. Based on Share's post below: Is wts Share's fantasy? Did Share accuse Judy of psychological rape? Did Share accuse Judy of attributing thoughts and feelings to her without explicitly saying how or what they were? Does Share's framing of her argument against Judy based on her assumptions about the fantasized existence of wts help her effectively rebut the posts Judy cites in the archives that demonstrate Share's misunderstanding of why Robin decided to cut off private email communication, her subsequent misunderstanding of the sequence of events that transpired, and then based on misunderstanding of her own making, accused him of psychological rape? If Share dropped her wts and psychological rape fantasy, and rebutted Judy based on what transpired between herself and Robin in the archives would she be more successful in defending herself and put an end to your need to defend her? Is Share unwilling to address her misunderstandings in the posts Judy cites because she cannot defend what she has written? In order to truthfully address the posts Judy cites would Share have to first drop fantasizing herself as a victim of wts and psychological rape? Do you think these are fair questions? As the wise woman said: I hope you're not saying that *your* and your support group's reality is the one closest to the truth and that there's a need in you and in your support group to convince others to accept this. That would be proselytizing, wouldn't it? If *that's* the case, then perhaps you and I have nothing to discuss because we are never going to see eye to eye. I'm hoping that *isn't* the case. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Here's Judy at her wts best. Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had. Then presenting her ideas as The Truth. Then lacking in compassion. Just to be clear, Share, you are accusing Judy of psychological rape. Fact 1: RD *wrote* the above, therefore Fact 2: RD knows that Share has accused *Judy* of psychological rape. Question 1: Why is RD butting in on a situation that involves Share and Judy? (IMO, it couldn't be that RD feels that Judy needs her assistance, as Judy has always shown herself to be completely capable of expertly handling *all* accusations thrown in her direction.) Question 2: If Share chooses to *not* respond to RD (IMO, probably because RD had no business butting in on a matter involving Share and Judy), does that make everything true in what RD has written in the rest of her post? Question 3: If RD persists in confronting Share to answer her questions from a post where she butted in on a matter involving only Share and Judy (kinda like somebody else did a couple of weeks ago), would that be considered cyberharassment or cyberbullying or somesuch? Question 4: Is RD's butting in on a matter involving only Share and Judy an example, albeit early stages, of piling on to which Share and others have referred. Why do you persist in portraying yourself as a victim? wts is your fantasy. You are entitled to make ridiclous assumptions based on fantasy but it doesn't help you deal with the reality of people calling you out on your behavior or make a coherent argument in you own defense. To make your case against Judy, here's a starter: Clearly state exactly what thoughts and feelings Judy attributed to you that you did not have. Start here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327618, then follow the post trail beginning with the post Share mentions at the top. And you're going to have to put a little work into this...don't expect Share to do your homework for you. Judy backs up her ideas with facts that she doesn't make up. Her forthright style of presenting posts in evidence of your own words in the archives is perhaps emotionally unsettling, a trigger making you feel defensive but it doesn't negate the truth of what she says or what you have written. Does context count? I'm assuming it doesn't because not too long ago, you tried to revive the milk and cookie debacle by posting the *one* comment taken out of context that portrayed the poster in the worst possible light. Rather than lash out at Judy ineffectually, deal with your triggers and deal with the reality of what she says, not as a victim but as an equally intelligent
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear laughinggull, Your posts show you have started off on a wrong footing in this discussion with a priori conclusions viz..I'm simply the defender of fair play: one of you against the entire group of stupid people...I simply cannot allow anymore. You are unwilling to look at the entire facts here since that would go against your philosophy - being defender of fair play. Its just your fantasy that Judy, raunchy or I have not indulged in fair play, in fact each one of us have been exceedingly fair to Stupid Share and Stupid Steve. Steve of course is the tolerable - he doesn't come across as dishonest and vindictive like Share. And yet, once again: I hope you're not saying that *your* and your support group's reality is the one closest to the truth and that there's a need in you and in your support group to convince others to accept this. That would be proselytizing, wouldn't it? If *that's* the case, then perhaps you and I have nothing to discuss because we are never going to see eye to eye. I'm hoping that *isn't* the case. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM, laughinggull108 no_reply@yahoogroups.comwrote: ** RD, I'm not sure if you read *all* my comments interspersed throughout...read all the way to the bottom where I recognize what I've done and why I did it: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/327690 If not, you might want to do that, then revise your list of questions below. I'm not sure if I can answer them because I'm *can't* read Share's mind. And it's not that I'm a stalwart defender of Share; you and the others (see Judy's list) have had her under the spotlight for so long that I think it's only fair that the spotlight be turned on you and the others. And it appears that this might be beginning to happen, and not from my posts alone. As my grandfather used to say: It looks like the chickens are coming home to roost. Open up and have a willingness to learn. It's really not so bad. You see RD, one of you alone *might* be just enough for the stupid people *as a group* to handle; add to the mix Judy, Ann, Ravi, Robin, or any of the others and the stupid people are just plain overwhelmed and start making no sense whatsoever, and I just can't have that. I'm simply the defender of fair play: one of you against the entire group of stupid people...I simply cannot allow anymore. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: LG I'm really glad Share has such a stalwart defender as you. Since you're butting in on Share's behalf as if she were not an intelligent adult, capable of responding to my post herself, could you take a moment to read her mind as I have been unable to do and answer a few questions help understand her better? You can elaborate but yes or no will do. Based on Share's post below: Is wts Share's fantasy? Did Share accuse Judy of psychological rape? Did Share accuse Judy of attributing thoughts and feelings to her without explicitly saying how or what they were? Does Share's framing of her argument against Judy based on her assumptions about the fantasized existence of wts help her effectively rebut the posts Judy cites in the archives that demonstrate Share's misunderstanding of why Robin decided to cut off private email communication, her subsequent misunderstanding of the sequence of events that transpired, and then based on misunderstanding of her own making, accused him of psychological rape? If Share dropped her wts and psychological rape fantasy, and rebutted Judy based on what transpired between herself and Robin in the archives would she be more successful in defending herself and put an end to your need to defend her? Is Share unwilling to address her misunderstandings in the posts Judy cites because she cannot defend what she has written? In order to truthfully address the posts Judy cites would Share have to first drop fantasizing herself as a victim of wts and psychological rape? Do you think these are fair questions? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Here's Judy at her wts best.Ã Doing the psychological rape thing of attributing to me thoughts and feelings I've not had.Ã Then presenting her ideas as The Truth.Ã Then lacking in compassion. Just to be clear, Share, you are accusing Judy of psychological rape. Fact 1: RD *wrote* the above, therefore Fact 2: RD knows that Share has accused *Judy* of psychological rape. Question 1: Why is RD butting in on a situation that involves Share and Judy? (IMO, it couldn't be that RD feels that Judy needs her
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: If you are seeing more of reality than another person you might be a yogi --that which actually exists independent of one's personal subjectivity--you will know it, because in the collision of views, you see your own view as separating itself from your own feelings--and you can see (in imagining yourself as your adversary) how he or she is--even quite sincerely--unable to do this. No, not even ever having *done* this. Hardly anyone on this forum really has thought of the possibility of reality having a point of view about an issue being controverted on FFL. Just pretend this is so--and I mean this to the extent of making reality appear as an angel and pronouncing who is right, and who is wrong--or at the very least where the most amount of truth lies. Think of the resolution of an argument as being something like getting Curiosity to land on Mars--What is the mission? What are the calculations? What is the physics of this? To get Curiosity to land on Mars means to get all the arguments out such that it then becomes possible to determine--objectively (or in terms of what the angel of reality would say)--what the final truth of this matter is. It is not a matter of triumph or defeat, then; it is matter--ideally--of quiet and final revelation. The a priori assumption that no controversy on FFL can ever be resolved through something resembling science--science having become a kind of metaphor for the objectification of subjectivities--means that each disputant (well, *almost* each disputant) believes the truth essentially comes from one's personal experience--which amounts to this: *Whatever feels like what the truth is such as to have that truth conform to my own predispositions and predilections subjectively*. It may be possible to say that, when there are conflicting views of something, *there just might be a context through which it can be determined what the truth is at the very end*--for both parties. This would be getting Curiosity to land on Mars. When one feels inclined to disagree with what someone has said (posted), then it is not the *feeling* that this is so that counts, *it is the willingness to contemplate that the universe itself has made judgment that coincides with one's own judgment*. The severity of one's self-scrutiny in this way is the only way the truth can get separated out from the first person point of view of each of the two duelling posters. What this means is that somehow truth is there, waiting to be found--or at least experienced. And the *experience* of truth being found is not one of personal satisfaction; it transcends affect; and of course it must transcend one's own subjective patterns of feeling and even thinking. Curiosity landing on Mars was not the achievement of any scientists's subjective will; he had to discover what laws of the universe had to be understood and obeyed in order to make the mission successful. There has to be a form of conceptual and intuitive engineering within any argument which is going to end up at some point of resolution. When reading the post of someone with whom one disagrees, if one already begins to start to argue against that post *before reading it as third person--standing apart from any fixed opinion*--then one is avoiding *allowing reality to impress itself upon one's mind and heart*--through that post of one's adversary. There has to be the willingness to entirely subject oneself to the content and intent of the person with whom one is disagreeing; what this means is: if you begin to develop and shape your rebuttal as you are reading the other person's post, you are only preserving the form of subjectivity which will insure that your response is predictable--and serving only the needs of your own need to have your point of view prevail *because it makes you feel good*. Argument means self-sacrifice, not self-assertion; and in the sacrifice of one's subjectivity, one allows that same subjectivity to be filled up with a sense of what is the case--what is, then objectively true.--There is at least this *possibility*. If you conceive of argument as simply the assertion of one's point of view, then this actually has nothing to do with the intrinsic truth of the matter. None. It has become a matter--even if this remains unconscious--of reinforcing the metaphysical bias of one's personality--so that reality remains what it was before the debate began. You are not saying anything *unless in the saying of it you get to travel somewhere inside yourself*. And why does this happen, or how does this happen? It happens--this movement and expansion and change--*because reality making itself present inside one's subjectivity as it (reality) senses the opportunity to have its say. Is this a fantasy? It certainly is not. And this phenomenon is happening--without perhaps the knowledge of any of the parties locked into disagreement. Yes, reality is more
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: If you are seeing more of reality than another person... You seem different Robin. Has something happened in your experience? Or has something happened in mine? Six weeks without hockey may possibly be having a levening affect on him, counterintuitive though it would seem.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
I read it, perhaps a little fast, but I would think this could help bring some closure to that time. I don't believe we've heard anything quite like this before. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: Dear Bill, The essence of the Ten Years was this: when I came down from that mountain I found myself able to see the ultimate weakness or falseness in each human being. *I never saw this before*. So what this mean was that each person I met after being enlightened--other than Maharishi himself--demonstrated in their behaviour a certain awareness of what was untrue or insincere in themselves. It seemed--from the point of view of Unity Consciousness--that each person had this final and definitive flaw, a flaw which was the secret theme of all that they did--but which was hidden from everyone else. And perhaps had not even surfaced completely in the consciousness of that person. No matter: what happened inside my enlightenment was that in seeing the evidence of this contradiction in their very beingness, I was led to believe (by what was creating the context of my enlightenment) that my being able to perceive this infirmity in that person, that in making this known to that person, they could, through their own free will, make use simply of the grace of truth (of that very revelation) to acquire the means to challenge and eventually overcome that flaw. And each person had a signature flaw. Indeed the process through which this weakness was exposed seemed to bring with it a context of prescriptive existential potential whereby that person could begin to take responsibility for this weakness or falseness and begin to overcome it. That is what confrontation was, after all: revelation of the problem, and then, evidently, a context within which to do something about that problem. The means to uncovering and exposing that flaw--*so that every person in the room or theatre could see it for themselves*, see it inside the context of reality, and thus making it seem to be a kind of 'demonically' supported weakness--was through a 'tracking' process, which entailed going through layers and layers of deceit, phoniness, dishonesty, fear, falseness, escapism, avoidance--and then revealing this weakness as essentially the responsibility of that person--inside the drama of creation--to face and conquer. To conquer that distinctive and inimitable weakness would be the qualification to become enlightened. Therefore this was becoming enlightened through a means other than the East only. Even though that continued, as each and every one of us was devoted to Maharishi, and were under the assumption that Maharishi had made me enlightened. Ergo, what I was doing must, somehow have the blessing of my Master, Guru Dev, and the Holy Tradition. Emphatically this was the understanding that every person who was closest to me held as unassailable, inviolable. Now since my enlightenment was a mystical hallucination, it meant that *the context which it gave birth to inside myself*, that too somewhere, no matter how true the process of confrontation and individuation appeared to be (and that process recreated reality, drove everyone into the deepest place one could ever go--and had ever gone), was untrue. And what this meant--in the perspective after The Context was busted by a greater reality--was that this weakness in each person was simply what innocently each person had to do in order to survive as a human being inside the universe given that they were not perfect--and fallen. In other words, this salient and ultimate weakness was not to be confronted--not even to be revealed. I believe this because in not one case (other than perhaps my own!) did this process of 'tracking' ever do anyone any good. The violence, the intelligence, the power, the energy, the drama: that certainly did strengthen all of us; but in terms of what was the objective: 1. overcoming, vanquishing one's signature weakness 2. becoming enlightened--the Ten Years was a fiasco. Each person, as far as I know, remained just what they were before I came down from that mountain about Arosa. Only a much stronger and wiser character. Now where things really went wrong was when the powers which had created my enlightenment--and The Context of the Ten Years--began to make it seem to be as if I were actually seeing individual persons as entities of evil--rather than seeing the person in the context of their problem, their unique infirmity. This is the proof of the evil of The Context and my enlightenment: that the hallucinatory reality of the Ten Years began--after about eight years--to become something else: the declaration of who was good and who was evil. At this point the whole enterprise was doomed. But the reality which governed the experience of each and every person in those Ten Years--this did not change at all--even with this disturbing and terrifying development. It should have; but it did not, because of course that
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
Nice Post Ravi. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Brilliant indeed because from my perspective he is the first person from the Guru side of the aisle to honestly acknowledge the fraud, deception, futility of the Guru-disciple game. Look at people like Buck, Nabby continuing the same game in another form ascended/descended masters, messiahs, Maitreya and even the naivete, stupidity of others like Share, Howells, Lord Knows all continuing the same drama. Something relevant I posted on the Ammachi lists That Amma has enabled people to numb their pain by providing a safe outlet through her sacrifice, masochism. Yet ultimately a fraud, deception. A great tradition of masochism, self-abnegation, sacrifice started by Jesus Christ, continued by various liberal icons such as Gandhi, Teresa, this same sickening, 2000 year old mindset of someone sacrificing themselves for our salvation. Then there is the ancient Indian wisdom in the metaphor of Lord Krishna, the purna avatar, the highest possible individuation of consciousness. A man who celebrated life, totally participated in it, loved, had sex, indulged in wars, friendships, drama. Unlike the masochism of Jesus his death was a relative non-event, he supposedly got killed by a hunter's arrow. What powerful symbolism - so people focus on his life and not death. It's so hard for to people to appreciate the metaphor of Lord Krishna. It's so easy to avoid complexities of life, avoid accountability, responsibility and self-honesty and just choose a belief system, fantasize on a messiah that suffers for our sins, for our salvation. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:46 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: ** Beautiful, Robin. Rather, I think one should write, as nearly as possible, as if he were the first person on earth and was humbly and sincerely putting on paper that which he saw and experienced and loved and lost; what his passing thoughts were and his sorrows and desires. -Neal Cassady to Jack Kerouac --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Robin - this is beautiful, thank you. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@wrote: ** Dear Bill, The essence of the Ten Years was this: when I came down from that mountain I found myself able to see the ultimate weakness or falseness in each human being. *I never saw this before*. So what this mean was that each person I met after being enlightened--other than Maharishi himself--demonstrated in their behaviour a certain awareness of what was untrue or insincere in themselves. It seemed--from the point of view of Unity Consciousness--that each person had this final and definitive flaw, a flaw which was the secret theme of all that they did--but which was hidden from everyone else. And perhaps had not even surfaced completely in the consciousness of that person. No matter: what happened inside my enlightenment was that in seeing the evidence of this contradiction in their very beingness, I was led to believe (by what was creating the context of my enlightenment) that my being able to perceive this infirmity in that person, that in making this known to that person, they could, through their own free will, make use simply of the grace of truth (of that very revelation) to acquire the means to challenge and eventually overcome that flaw. And each person had a signature flaw. Indeed the process through which this weakness was exposed seemed to bring with it a context of prescriptive existential potential whereby that person could begin to take responsibility for this weakness or falseness and begin to overcome it. That is what confrontation was, after all: revelation of the problem, and then, evidently, a context within which to do something about that problem. The means to uncovering and exposing that flaw--*so that every person in the room or theatre could see it for themselves*, see it inside the context of reality, and thus making it seem to be a kind of 'demonically' supported weakness--was through a 'tracking' process, which entailed going through layers and layers of deceit, phoniness, dishonesty, fear, falseness, escapism, avoidance--and then revealing this weakness as essentially the responsibility of that person--inside the drama of creation--to face and conquer. To conquer that distinctive and inimitable weakness would be the qualification to become enlightened. Therefore this was becoming enlightened through a means other than the East only. Even though that continued, as each and every one of us was devoted to Maharishi, and were under the assumption that Maharishi had made me enlightened. Ergo, what I was doing must, somehow
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Second Open Letter to Bill Howell, author of CULT
I guess I just read the first sentence and read the rest too fast as usual. But I guess that's a start. One sentence of something other than abuse. Maybe he can stretch it to a second sentence at some point. Maybe next year for that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Brilliant indeed because from my perspective he is the first person from the Guru side of the aisle to honestly acknowledge the fraud, deception, futility of the Guru-disciple game. Look at people like Buck, Nabby continuing the same game in another form ascended/descended masters, messiahs, Maitreya and even the naivete, stupidity of others like Share, Howells, Lord Knows all continuing the same drama. Something relevant I posted on the Ammachi lists That Amma has enabled people to numb their pain by providing a safe outlet through her sacrifice, masochism. Yet ultimately a fraud, deception. A great tradition of masochism, self-abnegation, sacrifice started by Jesus Christ, continued by various liberal icons such as Gandhi, Teresa, this same sickening, 2000 year old mindset of someone sacrificing themselves for our salvation. Then there is the ancient Indian wisdom in the metaphor of Lord Krishna, the purna avatar, the highest possible individuation of consciousness. A man who celebrated life, totally participated in it, loved, had sex, indulged in wars, friendships, drama. Unlike the masochism of Jesus his death was a relative non-event, he supposedly got killed by a hunter's arrow. What powerful symbolism - so people focus on his life and not death. It's so hard for to people to appreciate the metaphor of Lord Krishna. It's so easy to avoid complexities of life, avoid accountability, responsibility and self-honesty and just choose a belief system, fantasize on a messiah that suffers for our sins, for our salvation. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:46 PM, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: ** Beautiful, Robin. Rather, I think one should write, as nearly as possible, as if he were the first person on earth and was humbly and sincerely putting on paper that which he saw and experienced and loved and lost; what his passing thoughts were and his sorrows and desires. -Neal Cassady to Jack Kerouac --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Robin - this is beautiful, thank you. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@wrote: ** Dear Bill, The essence of the Ten Years was this: when I came down from that mountain I found myself able to see the ultimate weakness or falseness in each human being. *I never saw this before*. So what this mean was that each person I met after being enlightened--other than Maharishi himself--demonstrated in their behaviour a certain awareness of what was untrue or insincere in themselves. It seemed--from the point of view of Unity Consciousness--that each person had this final and definitive flaw, a flaw which was the secret theme of all that they did--but which was hidden from everyone else. And perhaps had not even surfaced completely in the consciousness of that person. No matter: what happened inside my enlightenment was that in seeing the evidence of this contradiction in their very beingness, I was led to believe (by what was creating the context of my enlightenment) that my being able to perceive this infirmity in that person, that in making this known to that person, they could, through their own free will, make use simply of the grace of truth (of that very revelation) to acquire the means to challenge and eventually overcome that flaw. And each person had a signature flaw. Indeed the process through which this weakness was exposed seemed to bring with it a context of prescriptive existential potential whereby that person could begin to take responsibility for this weakness or falseness and begin to overcome it. That is what confrontation was, after all: revelation of the problem, and then, evidently, a context within which to do something about that problem. The means to uncovering and exposing that flaw--*so that every person in the room or theatre could see it for themselves*, see it inside the context of reality, and thus making it seem to be a kind of 'demonically' supported weakness--was through a 'tracking' process, which entailed going through layers and layers of deceit, phoniness, dishonesty, fear, falseness, escapism, avoidance--and then revealing this weakness as essentially the responsibility of that person--inside the drama of creation--to face and conquer. To conquer that distinctive and inimitable weakness would be the qualification to become enlightened. Therefore this was becoming enlightened through a means other
[FairfieldLife] Re: After two Hop Czars I wax forth
Hey Ann, Care to comment on Ravi's posting style, substance? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Empty baby - you may be a homeless man stupid enough to want to trade your books for some free food at Russian Orthodox Church's soup kitchens but you make sense sometimes. So..STFU then. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, emptybill emptybill@... wrote: ** Why do so many folks here on FFL concern themselves with what Judy posts? If Judy attacks, demeans and accuses people of dishonesty, lying and sheer deceit ⦠so what? Why do people even care what she says? Ego, self-image, one's appearance in others eyes (minds) ⦠this is what is important to Judy but why *you*? There is no real reason why anyone on the forum should consider Judy's attacks anything but a shining reflection of her own mind. But in the end ⦠so what? This samsaric world is beautiful, majestic and frighteningly monstrous. It is also exquisitely boring and perhaps, ultimately unknowable in essence. Over and over, we find that our moments of experience appear, dissolve and can't be found again. Why waste so much time bickering about the colors of the paint on the wall when this whole world and *we ourselves* are so inextricably wound together in a mystery? You don't see anything mysterious about it? No wonder there is such silly drama.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: It has come to my attention that much or most of my participation on FFL consists of putdowns such as this. In the future, I will try to do better. Hey Alex, sounds like someone made a suggestion to you, or maybe you just decided this without any input from others. I received an email that included this: from what I can see, much or most of the time your participation consists of putdowns such as this. So, I went into my Gmail feed in Thunderbird, which is set up to keep the latest 60 days of FFL traffic, and I looked over the 92 posts of mine that were there, and sure enough, the observation was absolutely delusionally batshit crazy. On the other hand, I did sorta take my bad afternoon out on you (heavy object dropped on my toe, and one of the cats decided that peeing in the vicinity of the litterbox is good enough), and what with you ridiculously obsessing over Judy's post count while seemingly incapable of actually counting them, you were an easy target. And, with you, I'm always reminded that you told a friend of mine that she should be orally raped because she committed the heinous crime of posting a chatty little post that annoyed you. So, I completely lost all control and dissed your arithmetic skills. My bad. Alex, this is painful to read, because you are putting most of us to shame, (well maybe not Ravi). But my statement stands, you are a class act. And am I totally incorrigable in that I count that comment about oral rape as one of my best posts to FFL? And yes, a close second would be my disparaging of the FFer who trapsed around the world, waking up healers in the middle of the night to cure his stage 3 cancer. (for which he died a few weeks later) I'm not at that point yet, where I can feel genuine regret for those posts. Oh, at one point we had five cats. (strays) Three originals and two newbies. Once the newbies arrived, basically the floor and furniture got ruined. We've slowly been able to replace the furniture, but I am afraid the floor will continue to bear the marks of misdirected peeing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
Ann, Is this your way of saying to don't care to address the question I asked you about the style and substance of Ravi's posts? I am comfortable with whatever legacy my posts leave. I just wish you could see how judgemental your posts come off most of the time. And yes, it so strange to me that when I read your posts I reflect on the criteria Robin often uses of how posts sometimes indicate such a distortion of reality. I wish I could be more charitable. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: If you are seeing more of reality than another person... You seem different Robin. Has something happened in your experience? Or has something happened in mine? Six weeks without hockey may possibly be having a levening affect on him, counterintuitive though it would seem. What the hell is a levening effect. I can only conjecture, Steve, that recently and most specifically right now, you are either: 1) on some sort of upper or speed. 2) under a mistaken notion of your superior and privileged POV. 3) giddy. 4) lacking something better to do. 5) your wife and children are out of town and you don't know what to do with yourself. Whatever the case, you will look back at your posts one day and wonder what the hell you were thinking. I am finding it slightly comical, sort of like watching someone slip on a banana peel -over and over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: After two Hop Czars I wax forth to Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Well at least he sounds like himself and not some BORG assimilated Ravi (-: BTW, Steve, you made me laugh this evening, thank you. Hope you and the family have a great weekend. Thanks Share, Always nice to get to the weekend and a change of pace. Started out with dinner at Applebees and an errand at Costco. From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: After two Hop Czars I wax forth  Hey Ann, Care to comment on Ravi's posting style, substance? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Empty baby - you may be a homeless man stupid enough to want to trade your books for some free food at Russian Orthodox Church's soup kitchens but you make sense sometimes. So..STFU then. On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 4:57 PM, emptybill emptybill@ wrote: ** Why do so many folks here on FFL concern themselves with what Judy posts? If Judy attacks, demeans and accuses people of dishonesty, lying and sheer deceit ââ¬Â¦ so what? Why do people even care what she says? Ego, self-image, one's appearance in others eyes (minds) ââ¬Â¦ this is what is important to Judy but why *you*? There is no real reason why anyone on the forum should consider Judy's attacks anything but a shining reflection of her own mind. But in the end ââ¬Â¦ so what? This samsaric world is beautiful, majestic and frighteningly monstrous. It is also exquisitely boring and perhaps, ultimately unknowable in essence. Over and over, we find that our moments of experience appear, dissolve and can't be found again. Why waste so much time bickering about the colors of the paint on the wall when this whole world and *we ourselves* are so inextricably wound together in a mystery? You don't see anything mysterious about it? No wonder there is such silly drama.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Yeah, Alex, blame poor little puddy cat. Cats really don't care what you say about them, she'll curl up on your chest at bedtime and purr sweetly, Just between you and me, I would never trust Steve to change my litter box, it would be too complicated for him. http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot Raunch, Is this the best you can do? Maybe try to add some tap dancing or something to the routine. People might fall asleep with same tired insults.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy day 2
Fair enough Ann. But I wasn't playing the you are a Robin clone card. Sorry if it came off that way. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: Ann, Is this your way of saying to don't care to address the question I asked you about the style and substance of Ravi's posts? I am comfortable with whatever legacy my posts leave. I just wish you could see how judgemental your posts come off most of the time. And yes, it so strange to me that when I read your posts I reflect on the criteria Robin often uses of how posts sometimes indicate such a distortion of reality. I wish I could be more charitable. No problem Steve. I don't expect or feel charity would be appropriate. For me to have my say I can only expect everyone else to have theirs. I am unsure what your second to last paragraph is saying but I feel that it is very easy to fall into the well-used Robin clone argument. I am my own person Steve, in virtually every way. Whatever I respect or value in someone else I will defend but I am never some shoddy second, some imitator. Perhaps I am judgmental, in fact, I am pretty sure I am. That does not seem so very terrible to me. My 'judgements' include evaluation, feeling something out and reacting to it. I would be dead if I did not. That is not to say my judgement, my opinion can't and won't change in a heartbeat, it often does. As to Ravi, he is an enigma to me. I know that many have a far longer history with him at FFL than I do. He can be abrasive, shocking, strong. But he is not malevolent, he does not alarm me like that other dark troll who I was, frankly, horrified by. Can't even remember his name. No, Ravi is a passionate, sensitive albeit an opinionated man. But I don't get any 'bad vibes' or maliciousness from him. He plays, he dances, he is Ravi. I don't know his full history but he seems to live life by diving in. He appears to have had more than his dollop of pain and suffering but here he is - boisterous, caustic sometimes but bursting with life. I like that. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: If you are seeing more of reality than another person... You seem different Robin. Has something happened in your experience? Or has something happened in mine? Six weeks without hockey may possibly be having a levening affect on him, counterintuitive though it would seem. What the hell is a levening effect. I can only conjecture, Steve, that recently and most specifically right now, you are either: 1) on some sort of upper or speed. 2) under a mistaken notion of your superior and privileged POV. 3) giddy. 4) lacking something better to do. 5) your wife and children are out of town and you don't know what to do with yourself. Whatever the case, you will look back at your posts one day and wonder what the hell you were thinking. I am finding it slightly comical, sort of like watching someone slip on a banana peel -over and over.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Steve *feels* Ann is a little off. He wants to apply Robin's reality template to her but astonishingly, he hasn't a clue how to apply Robin's reality template to *himself*. Steve's bright idea to apply Robin's Reality Template to Ann ranks in the top ten for Most Ridiculous Shit Steve Has Ever Said. Steve can't put his finger on why Ann's posts mostly miss the target. But that's not surprising. He has yet to put his finger on why *he* has become a target for ridicule. He could give concrete examples of Ann missing the mark but he won't because there are no such examples and as usual he's too fucking lazy to search the archives. He says whatever irresponsible shit he *feels* as if it's true without offering a shred of proof and then remains, stubbornly, stupidly clueless as to why anyone would ask him to be accountable for the shit he flings around FFLife. Raunch, When it's all said and done, I think they can say about you: Her blind spots were immense. She was reduced to a babbling idiot when asked to explain the sexism and corruption in the TMO, and the hypocrisy of her best friends, but she could always be relied upon dish up a decent insult when called upon. I think that about sums it up.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex and Ann
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: For all your talk of healing, it's odd to me that you would align yourself with folks who are so deeply attached to their past hurt that they actively keep it alive, even to the point of recruiting people to join them in that endeavor. Oh well, I guess everyone's gotta have a hobby. You must have some inside information to which the rest of us are not privy, cause otherwise you're not making a lot of sense. Either that, or people's processing of their issues isn't proceeding with some timetable you have in mind. On the other hand, it's not uncommon for people to have the attitude, hey I solved my issue, hasn't everyone?
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Emily gets it, laughinggull. So do Ann, raunchy, Robin, Alex, and I, and probably others who haven't spoken up. Then again, just as likely as probably *not* others who haven't spoken up. Sounds like she's making a list, probably going to check it twice. She's going to find out who's naughty and nice.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
And with each paragraph, Judy pulls farther and farther back on the bow. The bow is just creaking, creaking. Surely it must be past the breaking point by now. Beads of sweat are forming on her forehead. Thoughts of a delicious victory meal of leg of lamb (rare), and a goblet of a fine dry wine are starting to crowd in. (will she ever finish this damned post of hers...finish already woman, finish) Then whsh, the arrow flies, but as usual, falls harmlessly to the ground. Bullseye! Bullseye! she cries. And she momentarily steps away from the arena. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: You began misinterpreting me on Sept 9 post 319521 and have continued to do so up to the present. But what is the real problem is your asserting that your opinions, misinterpretations, POVs are the accurate ones, the truthful ones. Now about my alleged dishonesty: I have never experienced a situation such as I have had with Robin. laughinggull wrote insightfully about changing his opinions. But for me about Robin, it has been more even than that. Since Sept 6 I've been trying to make sense of all that has happened. It has been a challenging process to understand what is going on within me and with him. Your constant and vitriolic butting in has merely made this process more challenging. At least for me. But you have little or no compassion for this. You don't even have the common sense understanding that not everyone has the time to check archives. Instead you call people like me and Steve lazy. You don't recognize that people have imperfect memories. Add to this your lack of compassion and what emerges is your calling me a liar again and again. And do you really think that all the badgering and name calling really makes the situation better? Oh, right, I forgot, you don't really care about that, do you? Maybe you're just happy to have someone other than Barry to attack. OTOH, it's damned if I do, damned if I don't. Meaning there's your opposite accusation that I think I'm all love and light or try to appear that I am. Maybe I seem that way to you because I don't get hateful and vitriolic like you do. It's called projecting a golden shadow, BTW. About my alleged avoiding of confrontation: I have 7 posts per day and lots of interesting people on FFL to respond to. People whose opinion I do care about. I am not going to waste all my posts replying to you because what is the point? You are convinced that you are right and that I'm a liar. Plus from that first upset you have been biased towards Robin. Fine, you've known each other longer. You have some strange karma to work out with each other. Whatever! BTW, there's a big difference between being loyal and being biased. The latter is not healthy. And if I'm really such a liar, so toxic, so lacking in honesty and integrity, why would you even want to have any communication with me at all? In some ways this is the most baffling question of all. Now everyone, let's watch the tedious and predictable piling on that happens.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: And with each paragraph, Judy pulls farther and farther back on the bow. The bow is just creaking, creaking. Surely it must be past the breaking point by now. Beads of sweat are forming on her forehead. Thoughts of a delicious victory meal of leg of lamb (rare), and a goblet of a fine dry wine are starting to crowd in. (will she ever finish this damned post of hers...finish already woman, finish) Then whsh, the arrow flies, but as usual, falls harmlessly to the ground. Bullseye! Bullseye! she cries. And she momentarily steps away from the arena. Is this the piling on Share just referred to that was about to happen? Perhaps not as this is just Steve jumping in to back up Share at Judy's expense so maybe it is just called supporting someone. I guess piling on only refers to the event when it is one's detractors commenting. An excellent point you bring up Ann. But as Judy is the master parser, I think it best to defer to her judgement as to whether my post was piling on or supporting someone And I thought I was (according to Steve)the one who never quite was able to pierce my target, now it's Judy. Maybe Steve has run out of analogies today, one size fits all for now. Ann, you do indeed hit the target, I just feel your aim could be a little better. I'll try to do a better job of mixing up my analogies.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Judy
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Steve, since you never could hit the broadside of a barn with a metaphor, you ought to take up a hobby that doesn't involve critical thinking skills. Thanks Raunch. Fortunately I'm not trying to hit the broadside of a barn with a metaphor, so I guess I'm safe. You know, right now, I don't really have any hobbies, so I guess I'm safe on that front too. Any other suggestions?
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Alex the important difference is that Waking Down absolutely did not in my experience ever include what I call in FFL piling on. Piling on in the name of rigorous honesty is what I consider unhealthy, unhealed and cowardly behavior in wts. Unbelievable. There was never any piling on in the name of rigorous honesty on FFL. All anybody has ever asked of Share is *basic* honesty. Even just *approximate* honesty would be a welcome change. That and piling onto only one of the people who disagreed with them. And cheering each other on about it. Does anybody have a clue what this means? (Hand raised in back of class) Yes, Steven, do you have an answer? Yes, teacher. I read somewhere, teacher, that the only time we may not feel the effect of a force is when we are most under its influence You mean like gravity, Steven? Yes teacher. So, what I am saying teacher, and I don't mean to be disrespectful, is that the reason you may be so clueless about this notion of piling on, is that, this describes your behavior much of the timeteacher Steven, I want you to come up to the board right now, and write 100 times, Teacher is Always Right, Teacher is Always Right Yes teacher Warts yet present. I never saw any of these behaviors in Waking Down. Look to your own warts, your own unhealthy, unhealed, and cowardly behavior here. Start by eliminating, or at least cutting down on, the bullshit you spout, like the above. If it appears that you are making *some* kind of effort to be honest and straightforward, you won't get so much flak. But don't expect *not* to get flak when you come up with utter crap like wts as an excuse for not copping to your own behavior. Nobody buys that, and we all recognize that it's pure hostility on your part-- hostility because you've been called on the rest of your dishonesty and your refusal to deal with reality. And it's possible you and I didn't attend all of the same meetings. In my experience, Waking Down created a safe environment in which people could be rigorously honest with themselves and with others. It was balanced masculine and feminine with lack of hyperness in either direction. Obviously Waking Down did Share no good whatsoever. She's made herself utterly oblivious to who she is and seems to be incapable of any kind of honesty with herself or with others. What a contrast with Alex. From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Maybe even *rigorous* examination. Lord help us Judy (but not that Lord), someone might have to actually break a small sweat if it included the act of being rigorous. Speaking as another person with experience in Waking Down, I found Share's excuse/explanation about rigorousness being hypermasculine very strange. Saniel Bonder likes to slather WD with saccharine bullshit frosting, but as another WD teacher described it, in WD you wake up to your mugshot. It's not about techiquifying yourself into some future perfected enlightened being; it's about waking up to exactly who you are right now. From my own experience, I don't see how self-honesty could be any more rigorous than WD's brutal, uncontrolled free-fall into what is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Steve
Hey Emily, I am sorry that you are running low on posts. I hope you don't post out. I also want to qualify my comment with something Raunchy has brought up, about not commenting if you don't have any skin in the game. And I don't feel like I have a lot of skin in this game. But, I do want to say, that if one steps back a little and allows for what is sometimes called, poetic license, then maybe Share's comments take on a different perspective. Let's take for example this term psychological rape. ( I hope I have the term right, but you know what I am referring to) I knew what Share meant. I guess if you want, you can take great offense at the term, and pick it apart. On the other hand, do we not as a matter of course here, often use such loaded terms? But even aside from that, I felt the term could be a reasonable description of the way Robin often interacts with people. But that's the way he often is, and from his point of view, he feels he sees a blind spot that person may not be aware of. So, why the big deal about it. Or, does Share see a cult mindset among some of the people with whom Robin has a greater affinity? Well, maybe she does. Maybe she ascribes to a looser definition of what defines cult behavior. At any rate, I am not sure what is wrong with telling her that you disagree with her conclusions and moving on. Or after a time, moving on. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: So:  You do believe that wts survives here and you do believe that healing of the wts cult has taken place since November 11th?  Huh?  These two premises are oppositional; one does not support the other.  Do you or  don't you believe that there is a wts cult in operation here on FFL?  Yes or No.  The healing question was a change in context and a distraction by you.the bottom line here is, Sharester, that I believe you believe a faction of FFL (those you identify) are involved in a cult, that you have termed wts.  I disagree, for the record, and will not play this game with you in the future. Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@... wrote: Waking Down does have that whole greenlighting/show up as you are thing, and it does have its place within the context of Waking Down. But, in the real world, if you show up in a manner that lacks integrity or honesty, you're likely to get called on it. And, if the response to being called on it is LA LA LA I AM NOT LISTENING TO YOU I AM NOT LISTENING TO YOU, people might pile on. Or maybe those people don't understand what you are saying, or perhaps don't like what you are saying. And who determines if a response lacks integrity or honesty? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Alex the important difference is that Waking Down absolutely did not in my experience ever include what I call in FFL piling on. Piling on in the name of rigorous honesty is what I consider unhealthy, unhealed and cowardly behavior in wts. That and piling onto only one of the people who disagreed with them. And cheering each other on about it. Warts yet present. I never saw any of these behaviors in Waking Down. And it's possible you and I didn't attend all of the same meetings. In my experience, Waking Down created a safe environment in which people could be rigorously honest with themselves and with others. It was balanced masculine and feminine with lack of hyperness in either direction.   From: Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Maybe even *rigorous* examination. Lord help us Judy (but not that Lord), someone might have to actually break a small sweat if it included the act of being rigorous. Speaking as another person with experience in Waking Down, I found Share's excuse/explanation about rigorousness being hypermasculine very strange. Saniel Bonder likes to slather WD with saccharine bullshit frosting, but as another WD teacher described it, in WD you wake up to your mugshot. It's not about techiquifying yourself into some future perfected enlightened being; it's about waking up to exactly who you are right now. From my own experience, I don't see how self-honesty could be any more rigorous than WD's brutal, uncontrolled free-fall into what is.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: snip Yes, you do. Plus which, you're stupidly wrong, as usual, because you haven't been paying attention to the context. Judy, I wish trying to follow your logic or context was a more fruitful activity. But more often than not, it turns out to be a total waste of time. is that the reason you may be so clueless about this notion of piling on, Read the whole post again, carefully, including what I quoted from Share's post. Read all the words. Look up any words you don't understand in Mr. Dictionary. If you still can't see your stupid mistakes, find someone who can read English to help you out. Judy, I admire your tenacity in thinking that the more you say you're right about something the more it must be true. Fortunately we have a fifty post limit, because most of us remember how that used to play out. This isn't about opinion, BTW. Imagine that.This is about your chronic inability to retain context. Another term for it is lousy reading comprehension. But it's a function of gross laziness. Okay teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: P.S. (post 48)  Steve, even if Share defers to her perception that psychological rape  occurred during her off-line exchange with Robin,  individually, Robin recently proposed, agreed, and offered to make those exchanges public here.  Because they were private, he asked Share for her permission.  Share ultimately, deferred to a meeting with her pastoral counselor that she was going to have to supposedly get feedback.  She came back here and posted something about bringing more positivity to FFL  What?  She never said:  I discussed it and decided against it.  She didn't address it at all.  Her response was completely insulting and completely dismissive of everyone here who was following the conversation and participating in it.  Exceee Me!  I guess it was a judgement call on her part. But certainly when this is an opportunity to clear something up, especially when it pertains to a person's character, it is desirable to do so. So, Share gets to retain her condemnation of Robin, and Robin, who was willing to make the entire exchange public, is cut off at the knees.  You see why Judy said that, in her opinion, if the allegations are malicious, for example, the privacy issue doesn't apply.  It I were being accused of such a thing, I would go ahead and post the exchanges, if I thought it would be of service to me.  I learned my lesson in the much less important post that Sal posted to me privately that I held private and asked Judy and Curtis to do the same with, as I actually didn't hold it quite private, did I?  In the future, for me, if it's an FFL conversation or should be one, than it goes to FFL - period.  Particularly if it's a controversial  one.  I want the extended feedback for those that want to chime in.  I value it, I believe in it, I always consider it.  Always.  Share's behavior here has been to act out and create the kind of drama that shows that what's inside the orange isn't necessarily orange juice.  Too bad she is unwilling to take responsibility or accountability for anything she says.  I am glad she has created a life for her that works in a community that supports her.  I'm sure that on the outside she is a very loving and open and generous person.  All I'm saying is that she has a shadow side, and she is demonstrating many aspects of that here.  She can pretend she's all love and light all she likes, but the proof is in the words she puts down here, as far as I'm concerned, and it is undeniable bullshit.  None of us are all love and light all the time; I don't know why she is so scared to acknowledge her negative qualities.  I would have to disagree with some of your statement here. I don't think she is in denial in any way, shape or form of her shadow self. But certainly I can understand if that is your opinion. It just may be that some of us think, feel, and express ourselves differently.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
the New York Times, or the Wall Street Journal, and keeping up with current events. But I'm very glad you're here, and I enjoy you're writing style, and especially enjoy your posts on more topical subjects. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: snip Yes, you do. Plus which, you're stupidly wrong, as usual, because you haven't been paying attention to the context. Judy, I wish trying to follow your logic or context was a more fruitful activity. But more often than not, it turns out to be a total waste of time. is that the reason you may be so clueless about this notion of piling on, Read the whole post again, carefully, including what I quoted from Share's post. Read all the words. Look up any words you don't understand in Mr. Dictionary. If you still can't see your stupid mistakes, find someone who can read English to help you out. Judy, I admire your tenacity in thinking that the more you say you're right about something the more it must be true. Fortunately we have a fifty post limit, because most of us remember how that used to play out. This isn't about opinion, BTW. Imagine that.This is about your chronic inability to retain context. Another term for it is lousy reading comprehension. But it's a function of gross laziness. Okay teacher.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
Emily, I love you. I really do. But I gotta do this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: You can have no impact on Judy whatsoever. Â Did you not see the brilliance of her last post - see how beautiful the play is? Â You have already been branded as someone who leveled vile accusations at her and you have been dismissed. Â Done deal. Â Either you support Judy in her reality or you're out. Period. Â If she does deign to question or answer you, don't expect anything real to come across. Judy is a master of manipulation. Â Look what she has done here since the time she's been here? Â I would guess that now that she's 70, we would only expect her to become more and more entrenched in the business of adapting reality to her unconscious needs. Judy is the ultimate controller. Â Yes, Steve, those of us who are more direct communicators are at a disadvantage with someone like Judy, but I counter with the idea that ultimately it wouldn't matter. Â Those with a world view such as Judy's have no concept of compassion based in the real world. Judy is right about her assessment of FFL and woe be it to anyone who disagrees with her, and I do and I will continue to do so. Â The best, most compassionate thing she could do for me, would be to never read another post of mine ever. Â Â Judy is the consummate misconstruer - when all else fails - she is fully blameless, unfairly attacked by others, subject of accusations from those in a cult, those engaged in a high school dynamic, etc. Â Whatever. Â Now, makes a little more sense. (-:
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: He will not, he's in a idiotic, inane, inebriated state - it would be Curtis, Barry in the past arguing it's all opinion to hide their deceit. Now it's the idiot Steve going for the same argument - that's it's all opinion. - he can't see his idiocy because he's totally reveling in *it*. Poor Ravi, can't make up his own insult. On the other hand, he's basically been on same stale insult for about four years now. You go girl!
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Right you dumb MF'er - we get it - it's either a opinion, rant and/or insult never your idiocy. Barry on your left, Share on your right I'm doin the hokey pokey and I'm turning myself around, that's what it's all about! - you are on the top of the world Steve baby.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
Not so fast young lady. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: [Judy] is right about her assessment of FFL and woe be it to anyone who disagrees with her, and I do and I will continue to do so. snip Now, makes little sense. Ooopsie. Emily and I are in just about 100 percent agreement in our respective assessments of FFL. Gee, Steve, you screwed up *again*.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2 but really to Alex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: snip But for heaven's sake (and maybe for our sake too) you need to get a bit of a grip. The train is headed for Chicago but somehow you have ended up riding a donkey backwards towards Topeka. Hey Ann, This may seem a little strange. Naturally I've read your posts for many months now, and I've never felt a need to apply the Robin template to anyone, (checking to see how one's posts jibe with reality) except with you. And I have to say that I always feel you are a little off. It's hard for me to put my finger on it, but I think somehow you always (or mostly) miss the mark. Sort of like the arrow flies but it glances off the hay, or if it hits the target, (in one of the outer rings) it just sort of drops down. You know, it just pierces the covering, and nothing else. I guess I could give a couple concrete examples. You, almost more than any one here, was deeply offended by awakened_yedi a couple weeks back. He couldn't be booted off fast enough for you. And yet, at the same time, we were getting very similiar posts by Ravi, and yet you were praising Ravi for his insightfulness and loyalty. I admit, that puzzled me. I'll just leave it that.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2
Hi Gang, I just tuned in for a moment, and I haven't read what came before this, or whats come after. But this is one of the funniest posts I have read in a long time. Share, I gotta say that at this point I am feeling very sorry for those guys, (and gals) at Batgap. We purloined their best talent. I mean, if that whole group were a Pokemon card, it would be have to be Snorelax. And if you were a Pokemon card, Share, it would be Pikachu, the most beloved of all the Pokemons. Emily, remember when you derived so much joy from the Judy/Robin exchange a long time back. I couldn't relate. But the humor in that exchange was so evident to you. I hope you can appreciate the marvelous humor Share is employing here. Kudos Share! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: EmilyBoo what does it mean when someone puts a word between asterisks? I've been wondering this for a long time but it hasn't seemed truly pertinent til now. And it sounds like you feel entitled to a simple yes or no answer because you have spent SO many posts on me this week. OTOH, you say that I am healing your karma. See how it all balances out all by itself (-: BTW, speaking of stress, don't listen to those TM teachers! You can be totally unstressing and still be making a valid point. Like when they fed us millet at every meal. Of course people were unstressing on that! Only a totally zorbed out person wouldn't! The point is, the unstressors were making a very valid, uh, point. What's a good synonym for the word point do you think? Anyway, what was the question, what was the question...oh, yes wts. Completely healed. November 11th. Yes or no. Asterisks. Honey. You know, Ravi did not sound like himself at all today. I did wonder if HE might be completely healed. Either that or he has been totally assimilated by the BORG. Buttery Omnivorous Robin Group. Which is perfect just as it is. Warts and all. As is wts. As is FFL High School football lunch table in the cafeteria gang. PS Your answer is in the first two sentences just above. You did say I could answer with more than yes or no. Remember? From: emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2  Sharester, Do you think there has been complete healing of wts since November 11th? Yes or No. It is *your* question, honey. No rabbit hole, just a simple yes or no will do for me. Now, I have spent many posts this week on you - you are healing my karma. I must back off of my propensity to comment or I will post out again, and I'm not in the mood to do that this week. I wish you a stress-free day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: There was a post from wts via Ravi this morning! So based on that, I'd say wts is alive and kicking. Or maybe zorbing. Anyway, something relevant: when the karma is finished, the cure appears. Another version: when the karma is finished, the healer appears. Came to mind as I've been thinking about complete healing. Which seems related to your wts questions to me. It seems that another way to ask those wts questions is: do I think there has been complete healing of wts since Nov 11. Uhoh, still a rabbit hole as Richard would say. Still FFL waters that can be muddied way too quickly. Anyway, maybe someone is completely healed. Time will tell. Oh, I didn't think you were contesting anything I said. And thanks, I got it about your not disagreeing with Judy or Raunchy. And yes, there's always another way to look at everything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily part 2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: There was a post from wts via Ravi this morning! So based on that, I'd say wts is alive and kicking. Or maybe zorbing. Anyway, something relevant: when the karma is finished, the cure appears. Another version: when the karma is finished, the healer appears. Came to mind as I've been thinking about complete healing. Which seems related to your wts questions to me. It seems that another way to ask those wts questions is: do I think there has been complete healing of wts since Nov 11. Uhoh, still a rabbit hole as Richard would say. Still FFL waters that can be muddied way too quickly. Anyway, maybe someone is completely healed. Time will tell. And why not? What's the rush, and what's the rush to judgement? And really, who even cares? We all are just offering our opinions here. I don't think anything ever gets completely nailed down, does it? Oh, I didn't think you were contesting anything I said. And thanks, I got it about your not disagreeing with Judy or Raunchy. And yes, there's always another way to look at everything.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Judy, you are a hoot. Let me reread and see about some comments. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: I agree with Share here. Living in the now is not a technique for spiritual growth; it's the result of spiritual growth. The phrase is DEscriptive, not PREscriptive. *Trying* to live in the now is a recipe for utter cluelessness. Well maybe the key phrase is trying. I don't know if it is something you try to do, it is just something you do. But maybe that distinction doesn't matter. Living in the now refers to a state of consciousness in which one does not experience oneself to be the Doer. All one's actions are spontaneous, without intention. One can't successfully emulate this in ordinary waking state; it divides the mind, as raunchy just quoted Maharishi as having said. Okay, I was not aware that there was an absolute definition to this term. I guess I was using it incorrectly, or, possibly using it in a way that made sense to me. You may consider this off the program. But why exactly would trying to live in the now be a recipe for utter cluelessness? Clue: something that guides through an intricate procedure or maze of difficulties; specifically: a piece of evidence that leads one toward the solution of a problem. Sweetheart, I know this is what you think you do when you are engaging in a discussion with people. But truthfully, where you think you are dazzling with your brilliance, most people see you baffling with your bullshit. (-: If one's mind is divided, if one is focused on not spilling the soup (in the Maharishi analogy raunchy reminded us of), one isn't going to be able to attend effectively to the clues that guide one's activity, an absolute necessity in waking state. Now to see how this all applies to you, go reread this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/325929 It's the one in which Robin pointed out to you that you *don't process all the data*: You are systematically and culpably and compulsively SELECTIVE about the obvious and necessary data that is out there to process. You focus in on a very narrow band of data which seems to be consistent with your own predispositions, and out of this you construct your arguments. Which are so often so fatuous and perfunctory and superficial--even if you seem quite friendly, equable, and reasonable in the tone you adopt. Nice guy, hopelessly wrong. Judy, should I accept Robin's analysis as the gospel truth, or is it possible that this is just an opinion that may or may not be correct, or may be correct is some ways, but not in others? But at least now you can enlist two sources for your points, Maharishi sez, and Robin Sez I.e., you are clueless, because you like to think of yourself as living in the now and acting so spontaneously that you don't need to bother making sure you've processed all the clues (data). I really would like to know where you derived all your mind reading abilities. It truly is a remarkable skill you have developed. Flawless inutition and mind reading going on 20 years. You probably do not do this in your family and business life, but you think it's fine to indulge in it on FFL where you can pretend to be all spiritual. Bless you Judy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Au contraire pierre, Judy...is just as interested in the proposition of being wrong as being right. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/326836 Prove her wrong, Share. All you have to do is be as rigorously honest as Judy. I'll take a crack at it: Hey R aunch, I'll take a shot at this. First, I am glad you have such a high regard for Judy. Everyone appreciates having a loyal friend. But I dare say there is a difference of opinion on this issue. And of course, people have had a long time to form opinions about Judy. I have found that the term rigorous honesty for Judy usually means agreeing with her opinions. I really have not seen an example where she has changed her mind about anything. So when you say that she is just as open to being right, and being wrong, I would have to put this in the highly theoretical category. Second, it would be my opinion, at least, that Judy confuses her opinion for fact. How do we know this? Because it is possible to have a difference of opinion without that difference becoming acrimonious. Yes a high percentage of differences of opinion with Judy do become acrimonious. And then, of course, there is the matter of keeping a discussion somewhat intelligible and simple, without the need for so much back checking and filling, and also having the discussion take convoluted twists and turns. There are times when Judy seems to converse without bringing to the table the above agenda. That is always a pleasant experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Fuck you, Steve. I'm beating you up because you have become impossibly, relentlessly obnoxious over the last week or so. Usually it's possible just to ignore your fatuities or giggle at them, but you seem to have acquired a new sense of self- righteousness that inspires you to inflict your idiotic criticisms on anybody and everybody. If they were *thoughtful* criticisms, it would be a different matter, but they aren't. They're simply flatulent, and they stink up the joint. Judy, just so you know, I love you. Jesus loves you, Ravi loves you and if Robin does not love you, I believe he is at least very fond of you. Now go in peace to love and serve the Lord.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share and Steve: I don't know how but raunchy and Robin managed to make even funnier these absolutely fabulously funny posts from Judy. I guess you had to be there for the energy to have come across properly - or, you simply have a different sense of humor. Something more literal, I'm guessing. Share, notice that although you threw a passive-aggressive dart at Judy, considering you don't read her posts anymore, she responded to you up front. Compassionately, Emily. You must feel better Em, having released those stored up barbs. Must be like passing a kidney stone. (although I've never had the experience). Too bad I have to go out right now. Can't read anything else, and I'm sure I can come back to a wonderful tirade from Ravi. Interesting though, you seem to derive much enjoyment out of Ravi's contributions here Em. I guess it's that different sense of humor you refer to. Good times! Welcome back. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: snip Anyway, yes thank you for continuing to pray for me and my complete healing. But could you also maybe squeeze in a prayer that Judy acquire a sense of humor? Ok, no big stretch like able to laugh at herself, but you know, to at least be able to recognize when someone is joking. Even Feste says she has not smiled since 1987! Eat your heart out, baby: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300960 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301020 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301104 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301143 snicker http://youtu.be/Qle1OrunKnE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmDTSQtK20c
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
Oh, and this passive-aggressive charge you (and some others) seem fond of leveling against Share. Is this the same as a basically more gentle and non confrontational person rising to defend when they are the target of a personal attack? Because this is what I see Share doing,(and quite effectively, I might add). And I certainly don't hold it against her that she declines to participate in a protracted battle for which there is no benefit. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share and Steve: I don't know how but raunchy and Robin managed to make even funnier these absolutely fabulously funny posts from Judy. I guess you had to be there for the energy to have come across properly - or, you simply have a different sense of humor. Something more literal, I'm guessing. Share, notice that although you threw a passive-aggressive dart at Judy, considering you don't read her posts anymore, she responded to you up front. Compassionately, Emily. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: snip Anyway, yes thank you for continuing to pray for me and my complete healing. But could you also maybe squeeze in a prayer that Judy acquire a sense of humor? Ok, no big stretch like able to laugh at herself, but you know, to at least be able to recognize when someone is joking. Even Feste says she has not smiled since 1987! Eat your heart out, baby: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300960 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301020 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301104 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301143 snicker http://youtu.be/Qle1OrunKnE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmDTSQtK20c
[FairfieldLife] Re: attempting to heal the brain down through the ages
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share:  This is an important thing that raunchy said.  It is good to collect and keep people around you that validate your perceived reality.  I think merudanda is a woman.  I could be wrong; I've been wrong before.  Ha.  Yes, I will continue to be compassionate towards you.  You on the other hand dismissed me entirely, with this post: Emily, I saw all your posts just before I left for Iowa City.  I had been planning a well thought out reply.  But on the journey back I realized that it doesn't matter what I say.  Heck, you can answer all those questions yourself, however you want.  I don't think my input will make enough of an impact on you to make it worth my while to write a reply or worth your while to read it.  Yes, I asked you yes or no questions.  I did this because I could not figure out what you were saying.  I, of course, had an idea that you were indirectly slamming a number of people, myself included, because you were angry and were lashing out passive-aggressively, but I wasn't sure.  gotta love that term, shows up nearly every recent post Let me assure you, that anything that you thoughtfully write to me will have an impact on me.I guess if you like it, or understand it, or don't feel it's passive-aggressive, it's thoughtful. If you don't care for it, then it's not thoughtful. We get a lot of that here.  This entire forum has had a tremendous impact on me over the last two years.  It does matter what you say Share - there is no need to exit the conversation with this excuse.  It is always worth my while to read it.  I encourage you to stay and continue to read all the posts.  I believe you are missing the larger picture.  Compassionately, Emily.  From: raunchydog raunchydog@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 3:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: attempting to heal the brain down through the ages  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Good God!àFledgling love interest?!àThis has been raised before and I gave the same answer then.àTo anyone who read my posts to merudanda I think it was pretty clear that my crush was on him.àHello?!àThe poems?!àIn fact I once brought this up to Robin in one of our long exchanges.àBut about Robin I do sense something from childhood wanting to be healed in me.àSomething about having done my best to repair a relationship and the other person keeps slamming the door in my face.àYes, it brings up some deep need in me.àWill definitely bring it up with my pastoral counselor tomorrow. Good idea. One can never get too much feedback from friendly places. I'm not sure what is meant by my stalking behavior.àMaybe my repeating myself so much?àThat has everything to do with my wanting very much to be understood accurately especially with regards to my intentions.àAnd especially in the eyes of the reasonable people on FFL.àLast Wednesday I realized that these past 2 1/2 months I've been trying to understand what happened on Sept 6 and immediately after, especially with the piling on and Robin allowing that, etc.àI've been trying to understand myself and Robin.àWhen help came my way first via Lord Knows and later via William and Brahmi, I felt an immense relief and gratitude to them.àBecause they helped me understand.àAnd to feel confident in myself again. None of the other women on FFL have gone through such an ordeal with Robin.àSo maybe I shouldn't be surprised by their lack of compassion towards me.àWhich btw began right after Sept 6 and has continued up to today.àOf the women, only Emily has continually expressed compassion towards me.àMaybe being a Mom helps with that.ààFrom: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:56 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: attempting to heal the brain down through the ages à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: As I said before, I broke ranks when I first got upset with Robin on Sept 6.ÃâàThen the piling on happened.ÃâàAnd since then there has been one upset after another.ÃâàWhich Robin seems to prefer to deal with online.ÃâàThat is also very curious to me.ÃâàAnd that his supporters especially Judy seem to think that Robin himself cannot deal with an upset woman! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6voJjexENok You go this deep, Share. I won't be looking at Judy's or Ann's or Raunchy's replies.ÃâàBut if any of them bring up a point that one of the reasonable people think is well, reasonable, I'd be grateful if you'd bung it over to me and I will attempt to address.ÃâàBTW I won't be on
[FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share:  This post of yours below is very dismissive and demeaning.  Raunchy was being very up front and considerate in her post to you and you provided no information at all about what you think. Are you referring to Share's reply to RD about stresses which accrue due to childhood, or any other trauma one experiences? And you are saying that Share did not adequately answer this question? Is is not clear to you that this question from Raunchy, (which I assume was sincere) was answered in a completely reasonable fashion. Even from TM protocol we know that stress has a physiological component. This is not a matter of conjecture right? What more needs to be said.? And of course this is just what Share said. For some reason you seem to be keeping up a full court press on Share, Em, which is fine. But it should be of something material, not a trivial matter that makes it look like it is you who are harboring a grudge.  You exited stage left again.  Are you one of those people who hold grudges for life?  Thank you for your kind thoughts for my Thanksgiving.  It was absolute hell despite the advance preparations I made and I will never do another one with either of my beloved parents in this lifetime, quite seriously.  There is something about a dinner table in our family that is not a good thing.  Luckily, I have gained immeasurable perspective from participating and reading everyone here at FFL, including you.  Luckily, raunchy posted that lovely poem about rutabagas.  Compassionately, Emily.   From: Share Long sharelong60@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life  dear RD, glitch equals stress. Everybody excepts saints, etc. has such to greater or lesser degree. And they got it right when they said that the later ones to go are the real biggies. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving. You too, Emily in case your lurking. From: raunchydog raunchydog@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: LG, finally there's an opportunity to say something I've been wanting to say to you for a few days. Which is, I think a lot of us in Fairfield are living a new kind of good life. Consequently I rarely if ever feel like a victim. Even childhood traumas I recognize as opportunities to balance out karmic debts. Nonetheless such traumas leave their influence in the form of chemical and or structural glitches in the physical body, even in the physical component of the psychology, the brain and nervous system. Share, I'd like to better understand what you tell us in this post. Are you saying that due to childhood traumas you have a chemical/physical glitch that effects your psychology and physiology? Do you believe the research you cite indicating parental abandonment causing elevated stress hormones permanently effecting the brain applies to you? These are issues that seem personally important to you, enough so, that you would raise them. I understand if you want to keep your medical history private. I get the part about Fairfield being a place to heal and you are doing your very best to do so. I guess what it comes down to is that I don't know what your gliches are and how exactly you believe this effects your life. Are you offering this post to help us understand your interactions with people on FFLife or in real life? If so, how so? To cite just one example, there is research which indicates that in a child whose father goes away for a year, the level of stress hormones in the body stays elevated for a year even after the father has returned. In turn that long term elevated level does something seemingly permanent to the brain. I say seemingly because I do believe there are powerful and natural techniques for healing even such seemingly permanent damage. Anyway, these glitches must first be recognized before they can be addressed and healed. This is all simply to say that I don't feel like a victim of anyone or anything. But I do recognize my glitches and I pursue healing them. But because I can pursue healing them, I don't feel like a victim at all. Just the opposite, I feel very fortunate. Now to fold in the Antifragile post: I feel grateful for Fairfield because it is a place where I can fairly easily deal with these glitches and still make something of a contribution to others. Obviously some people have few glitches. Perhaps they are the ones who thrive in places like NYC. But I believe that the world needs all kinds of people. FF has all
[FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life
Can I get a Hell Yea? Well HELL YEA! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Five posts in a row, all trying to restart fights that blessedly had died down, all signed Compassionately, Emily. Someone doesn't understand compassion. Let it go. Discussions here have moved on, even if you haven't. The person trying to get in the bitchy last word and restart things is YOU, Emily. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share:  This post of yours below is very dismissive and demeaning.  Raunchy was being very up front and considerate in her post to you and you provided no information at all about what you think.  You exited stage left again.  Are you one of those people who hold grudges for life?  Thank you for your kind thoughts for my Thanksgiving.  It was absolute hell despite the advance preparations I made and I will never do another one with either of my beloved parents in this lifetime, quite seriously.  There is something about a dinner table in our family that is not a good thing.  Luckily, I have gained immeasurable perspective from participating and reading everyone here at FFL, including you.  Luckily, raunchy posted that lovely poem about rutabagas.  Compassionately, Emily.   From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life  dear RD, glitch equals stress. Everybody excepts saints, etc. has such to greater or lesser degree. And they got it right when they said that the later ones to go are the real biggies. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving. You too, Emily in case your lurking. From: raunchydog raunchydog@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: LG, finally there's an opportunity to say something I've been wanting to say to you for a few days. Which is, I think a lot of us in Fairfield are living a new kind of good life. Consequently I rarely if ever feel like a victim. Even childhood traumas I recognize as opportunities to balance out karmic debts. Nonetheless such traumas leave their influence in the form of chemical and or structural glitches in the physical body, even in the physical component of the psychology, the brain and nervous system. Share, I'd like to better understand what you tell us in this post. Are you saying that due to childhood traumas you have a chemical/physical glitch that effects your psychology and physiology? Do you believe the research you cite indicating parental abandonment causing elevated stress hormones permanently effecting the brain applies to you? These are issues that seem personally important to you, enough so, that you would raise them. I understand if you want to keep your medical history private. I get the part about Fairfield being a place to heal and you are doing your very best to do so. I guess what it comes down to is that I don't know what your gliches are and how exactly you believe this effects your life. Are you offering this post to help us understand your interactions with people on FFLife or in real life? If so, how so? To cite just one example, there is research which indicates that in a child whose father goes away for a year, the level of stress hormones in the body stays elevated for a year even after the father has returned. In turn that long term elevated level does something seemingly permanent to the brain. I say seemingly because I do believe there are powerful and natural techniques for healing even such seemingly permanent damage. Anyway, these glitches must first be recognized before they can be addressed and healed. This is all simply to say that I don't feel like a victim of anyone or anything. But I do recognize my glitches and I pursue healing them. But because I can pursue healing them, I don't feel like a victim at all. Just the opposite, I feel very fortunate. Now to fold in the Antifragile post: I feel grateful for Fairfield because it is a place where I can fairly easily deal with these glitches and still make something of a contribution to others. Obviously some people have few glitches. Perhaps they are the ones who thrive in places like NYC. But I believe that the world needs all kinds of people. FF has all kinds, including Jeffrey Smith who is world renowned opponent of GMO and those who are in the Dome 7-8 hours a day and those who are retired and frequent the cafes. FF offers a new and very good kind of life. FFL hopefully helps me integrate all that goodness. Off to Dome and
[FairfieldLife] Re: States of Being - to Share
Hey Emily, What were you thinking about during the last week? Let me guess. It starts with an S and ends with an E --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Dear Share: do any of these states of being ring a bell for you? Low self esteem Diminished self worth Need for distraction Dichotomous (Black or White) thinking Feelings of emptiness Quest for perfection Desire to be special or unique Need to be in control Need for power Desire for respect and admiration Difficulty expressing feelings Need for escape or a safe place to go Lack of coping skills Lack of trust in self and others Terror of not measuring up I will not source these, but if they do ring a bell, I am aware of the reason behind them. There is only one solution. Rigorous honesty. Compassionately, Emily.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life
We all have blind spots, don't we? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: I was gone for a week and I am most definitely not trying to start a fight.  Please don't participate in creating such an us against them reality - this is a farce that most have bought into, dolt-like in my opinion.  I most definitely am farther along the understanding of compassion than your last post to Share. I won't deign to repost it here.  I am stating my understanding and reality around the host of posts that she left unanswered and unaccounted for.  There is no need for her to respond unless she wants to.  Compassionately, Emily From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 11:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life  Five posts in a row, all trying to restart fights that blessedly had died down, all signed Compassionately, Emily. Someone doesn't understand compassion. Let it go. Discussions here have moved on, even if you haven't. The person trying to get in the bitchy last word and restart things is YOU, Emily. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: àThis post of yours below is very dismissive and demeaning. àRaunchy was being very up front and considerate in her post to you and you provided no information at all about what you think. àYou exited stage left again. àAre you one of those people who hold grudges for life? àThank you for your kind thoughts for my Thanksgiving. àIt was absolute hell despite the advance preparations I made and I will never do another one with either of my beloved parents in this lifetime, quite seriously. àThere is something about a dinner table in our family that is not a good thing. àLuckily, I have gained immeasurable perspective from participating and reading everyone here at FFL, including you. àLuckily, raunchy posted that lovely poem about rutabagas. àCompassionately, Emily. ààFrom: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life àdear RD, glitch equals stress.àEverybody excepts saints, etc. has such to greater or lesser degree.àAnd they got it right when they said that the later ones to go are the real biggies.àHope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving.àYou too, Emily in case your lurking. From: raunchydog raunchydog@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: LG, finally there's an opportunity to say something I've been wanting to say to you for a few days.àWhich is, I think a lot of us in Fairfield are living a new kind of good life.àConsequently I rarely if ever feel like a victim.àEven childhood traumas I recognize as opportunities to balance out karmic debts.àNonetheless such traumas leave their influence in the form of chemical and or structural glitches in the physical body, even in the physical component of the psychology, the brain and nervous system.àShare, I'd like to better understand what you tell us in this post. Are you saying that due to childhood traumas you have a chemical/physical glitch that effects your psychology and physiology? Do you believe the research you cite indicating parental abandonment causing elevated stress hormones permanently effecting the brain applies to you? These are issues that seem personally important to you, enough so, that you would raise them. I understand if you want to keep your medical history private. I get the part about Fairfield being a place to heal and you are doing your very best to do so. I guess what it comes down to is that I don't know what your gliches are and how exactly you believe this effects your life. Are you offering this post to help us understand your interactions with people on FFLife or in real life? If so, how so? To cite just one example, there is research which indicates that in a child whose father goes away for a year, the level of stress hormones in the body stays elevated for a year even after the father has returned.àIn turn that long term elevated level does something seemingly permanent to the brain.àI say seemingly because I do believe there are powerful and natural techniques for healing even such seemingly permanent damage.àAnyway, these glitches must first be recognized before they can be addressed and healed. This is all simply to say that I don't feel like a victim of anyone or anything.àBut I
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanksgiving
Ya done good Buck, ya done good. I know it wasn't easy, but somehow you pulled it off. Keep up the good work. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Buck dhamiltony2k5@... wrote: 1. Om, I am grateful that we were able to bring the degree of peace to the Mideast producing the cease fire over Jerusalem. There is still coherence to bring though to Egypt and the whole region. Our work is not finished there. Meditate with us all for peace and reconciliation in the Unified Field for the people of the Mideast. I am grateful to those who turned out to meditate with us. Thank you. It was very powerful. -Buck
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emilymae.reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share and Steve: I don't know how but raunchy and Robin managed to make even funnier these absolutely fabulously funny posts from Judy. I guess you had to be there for the energy to have come across properly - or, you simply have a different sense of humor. Something more literal, I'm guessing. Share, notice that although you threw a passive-aggressive dart at Judy, considering you don't read her posts anymore, she responded to you up front. Compassionately, Emily. Please shut up with the dear and compassionately do you think you fool anyone? If you want to spend every post picking a fight just get on with it and stop all the bullshit, it doesn't make you look as clever or as reasonable as you probably like to think. a fuckin men Affectionately, Salyavin. (See it doesn't work) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: snip Anyway, yes thank you for continuing to pray for me and my complete healing. But could you also maybe squeeze in a prayer that Judy acquire a sense of humor? Ok, no big stretch like able to laugh at herself, but you know, to at least be able to recognize when someone is joking. Even Feste says she has not smiled since 1987! Eat your heart out, baby: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300960 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301020 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301104 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301143 snicker http://youtu.be/Qle1OrunKnE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmDTSQtK20c
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Concerning my post to Robin: I wrote that myself after appt with pastoral counselor. Concerning my post to RD: I used the word stress the way that TMers often do. Maybe that's why it seemed the way it did to you. I agree that rigorous honesty is an essential part of human development. Yes, different people have different senses of humor. Yes, sometimes I miss the bigger picture. A couple of times Robin called meruD she but another long term poster corrected him. Even if a she, meruD can still be the Janitor Poet of FFL High. Male or female, meruD inspired a crush in me that lead to a lot of growth. I remain grateful. Ironically, in thread to Emily below, Nov 9: authfriend: Standard Share: speak in generalities; it relieves you of any accountability. Which, we all know, is simply another way of saying, you did not answer my question in the way I wanted you to answer it, so you are a duumkopf.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Please try and figure out the difference between bitchfests and conversations Barry. It would save you having to post unnecessarily. Now maybe you should just ignore Emily and go back to doing what you want to do, which is presumably not arguing with her or any of the other 'attention vampires' around here. Suggestion: read Robin's excellent two posts he wrote yesterday. Hey Ann, Good suggestion. I liked your back and forth with Robin in this exchange. I haven't been able to partake of the full dialogue, but it was a good step in the right direction.
[FairfieldLife] Re: New router needed
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Dear Share, think of your opportunity to interact with Emily something less like going to the dentist and more like this: Two mature and intelligent women decide to meet at a popular and cozy bistro. Here they order their favourite soup and homemade bread and order their hot beverage of choice. They look forward to an hour or so of friendly, explorative and interesting conversation together, all the while enjoying the atmosphere of the cozy bistro and the delicious food. Good luck and bon appetit! I wish I could see it that way!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Someone appears to be out of Divine Vodka
We can only pray she was being ironic. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: Can't resist. Mea culpa. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: ...I followed my intuition, which is never wrong... Another convert to the Narcissistic Personality Disorder cult. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Steve, I understand how you could have come to the conclusions below.  With Share's love of words and logic, I thought she had the ability to take raunchy's questions more seriously, so I figured that this response was a choice on her part and I perceived it as a blow-off.  It is likely she was in a hurry and she has explained to me that I do not understand the word stress correctly in TM-speak.  This is undoubtedly true.  I apologize for using the words dismissive and demeaning - that was impolite of me.  Perhaps she can invoke the hopopo prayer for me; it's been awhile since that graced the forum.  Compassionately, Emily.  P.S.  I have to go, but I will hold kind thoughts of you today in my heart.  Much appreciated. I will try to do the same for you. From: seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:02 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share: àThis post of yours below is very dismissive and demeaning. àRaunchy was being very up front and considerate in her post to you and you provided no information at all about what you think. Are you referring to Share's reply to RD about stresses which accrue due to childhood, or any other trauma one experiences?  And you are saying that Share did not adequately answer this question? Is is not clear to you that this question from Raunchy, (which I assume was sincere)  was answered in a completely reasonable fashion. Even from TM protocol we know that stress has a physiological component.  This is not a matter of conjecture right?  What more needs to be said.?  And of course this is just what Share said. For some reason you seem to be keeping up a full court press on Share, Em, which is fine.  But it should be of something material, not a trivial matter that makes it look like it is you who are harboring a grudge. àYou exited stage left again. àAre you one of those people who hold grudges for life? àThank you for your kind thoughts for my Thanksgiving. àIt was absolute hell despite the advance preparations I made and I will never do another one with either of my beloved parents in this lifetime, quite seriously. àThere is something about a dinner table in our family that is not a good thing. àLuckily, I have gained immeasurable perspective from participating and reading everyone here at FFL, including you. àLuckily, raunchy posted that lovely poem about rutabagas. àCompassionately, Emily. ààFrom: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life àdear RD, glitch equals stress.àEverybody excepts saints, etc. has such to greater or lesser degree.àAnd they got it right when they said that the later ones to go are the real biggies.àHope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving.àYou too, Emily in case your lurking. From: raunchydog raunchydog@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life à--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: LG, finally there's an opportunity to say something I've been wanting to say to you for a few days.àWhich is, I think a lot of us in Fairfield are living a new kind of good life.àConsequently I rarely if ever feel like a victim.àEven childhood traumas I recognize as opportunities to balance out karmic debts.àNonetheless such traumas leave their influence in the form of chemical and or structural glitches in the physical body, even in the physical component of the psychology, the brain and nervous system.àShare, I'd like to better understand what you tell us in this post. Are you saying that due to childhood traumas you have a chemical/physical glitch that effects your psychology and physiology? Do you believe the research you cite indicating parental abandonment causing elevated stress hormones permanently effecting the brain applies to you? These are issues that seem personally important to you, enough so, that you would raise them. I understand if you want to keep your medical history private. I get the part about Fairfield being a place to heal and you are doing your very best to do so. I guess what it comes down to is that I don't know what your gliches are and how exactly you believe this effects your life. Are you offering this post to help us understand your interactions with people on FFLife or in real life? If so, how
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Your inanity knows no bounds today, Steve. It's as if you have some kind of mental virus attacking and disabling your IQ. Judy, please go back to insult school. This is an slight improvement from your previous insult, but generous instructor that I am, I know you can do better.
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: Your inanity knows no bounds today, Steve. It's as if you have some kind of mental virus attacking and disabling your IQ. Judy, please go back to insult school. This is an slight improvement from your previous insult, but generous instructor that I am, I know you can do better. Steve. It wasn't an insult, it was an observation. And it continues to apply. I will add to it the observation that you can't bring yourself to acknowledge you'd made the dumb mistake in your previous post to which I had called your attention. Bless your heart Judy. This is so rote on your part, this wanting people to acknowledge all the errors you point out to them. In the spirit of Dr. Phil, one must ask, how's that w orking for you? P.S. In this case, I didn't really care if I got the quote properly attributed. It was the spirit of the quote I was replying to.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: I still think that a lot of New Age teachers put the horse before the cart. For example Eckhart Tolle and being in the Now. I think being in the Now is the result of being very developed rather than a practice for becoming very developed. And that it's counter productive for people to try and be in the Now. Well, where again should people be putting their attention if not in the Now? I don't meditate regularly, but if I had to describe my technique for spiritual growth, it would be to live in the Now Now, you're making me think, what does this even mean? I guess it means just taking care of the present moment. And then, what does that mean? Well, I think it means trying to make the most of each moment. What would be a concrete example of that? I know my daughter is going to get her driver's license in about six months. Right now, we do a lot of weekend errands together, and she likes to go with me on business evening errands. This is a fun time we have together. So, I am aware of this, and try to make the most of it. It is no fun to have regret. So, maybe one way to avoid regret is to live in the moment, and make the most of each moment, hence, living in the Now
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Again, Steve, that was just an *observation*. But it sure seemed to hit a nerve, didn't it? Can the funny bone be considered a nerve?
[FairfieldLife] Re: to Emily
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: Can the funny bone be considered a nerve? Not when it's stuck in your craw. Sorry, didn't work. But two out of three ain't bad.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: I agree with Share here. Living in the now is not a technique for spiritual growth; it's the result of spiritual growth. The phrase is DEscriptive, not PREscriptive. *Trying* to live in the now is a recipe for utter cluelessness. Well maybe the key phrase is trying. I don't know if it is something you try to do, it is just something you do. But maybe that distinction doesn't matter. But why exactly would trying to live in the now be a recipe for utter cluelessness?
[FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: Can I get a Hell Yea? Well HELL YEA! No you may not, not in this case Steve. I think your chivalry to be misplaced. That is always a possibility. I am glad to have moved past the whole discussion, at least for now. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: Five posts in a row, all trying to restart fights that blessedly had died down, all signed Compassionately, Emily. Someone doesn't understand compassion. Let it go. Discussions here have moved on, even if you haven't. The person trying to get in the bitchy last word and restart things is YOU, Emily. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Dear Share:  This post of yours below is very dismissive and demeaning.  Raunchy was being very up front and considerate in her post to you and you provided no information at all about what you think.  You exited stage left again.  Are you one of those people who hold grudges for life?  Thank you for your kind thoughts for my Thanksgiving.  It was absolute hell despite the advance preparations I made and I will never do another one with either of my beloved parents in this lifetime, quite seriously.  There is something about a dinner table in our family that is not a good thing.  Luckily, I have gained immeasurable perspective from participating and reading everyone here at FFL, including you.  Luckily, raunchy posted that lovely poem about rutabagas.  Compassionately, Emily.   From: Share Long sharelong60@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 3:46 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life  dear RD, glitch equals stress. Everybody excepts saints, etc. has such to greater or lesser degree. And they got it right when they said that the later ones to go are the real biggies. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Thanksgiving. You too, Emily in case your lurking. From: raunchydog raunchydog@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: to laughinggull a new kind of good life  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: LG, finally there's an opportunity to say something I've been wanting to say to you for a few days. Which is, I think a lot of us in Fairfield are living a new kind of good life. Consequently I rarely if ever feel like a victim. Even childhood traumas I recognize as opportunities to balance out karmic debts. Nonetheless such traumas leave their influence in the form of chemical and or structural glitches in the physical body, even in the physical component of the psychology, the brain and nervous system. Share, I'd like to better understand what you tell us in this post. Are you saying that due to childhood traumas you have a chemical/physical glitch that effects your psychology and physiology? Do you believe the research you cite indicating parental abandonment causing elevated stress hormones permanently effecting the brain applies to you? These are issues that seem personally important to you, enough so, that you would raise them. I understand if you want to keep your medical history private. I get the part about Fairfield being a place to heal and you are doing your very best to do so. I guess what it comes down to is that I don't know what your gliches are and how exactly you believe this effects your life. Are you offering this post to help us understand your interactions with people on FFLife or in real life? If so, how so? To cite just one example, there is research which indicates that in a child whose father goes away for a year, the level of stress hormones in the body stays elevated for a year even after the father has returned. In turn that long term elevated level does something seemingly permanent to the brain. I say seemingly because I do believe there are powerful and natural techniques for healing even such seemingly permanent damage. Anyway, these glitches must first be recognized before they can be addressed and healed. This is all simply to say that I don't feel like a victim of anyone or anything. But I do recognize my glitches and I pursue healing them. But because I can pursue healing them, I don't feel like a victim at all. Just the opposite, I feel very fortunate. Now to fold in the Antifragile post: I feel grateful for Fairfield because it is a place where I can fairly easily deal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Many years ago a Swami said, As we go through life thinking heavy thoughts, thought particles tend to get caught between the ears and cause a condition called truth decay. Be sure to use mental floss twice a day, and when you're tempted to practice tantrum yoga, remember your Absurdiveness Training: Don't get EVEN, get ODD. Would that be Swami Beyondananda.? A great Swami indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Black Thursday
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: Hey Ann, Are you familiar with the Herman Oak Leather Co. based him in St. Louis. They produce fine quality leather hides that go into the making of saddles and other equestrian products? No, but we do not deal in raw leather, just finished strap goods and saddles etc. I looked at the website though and I would love to walk through their facility and smell the leather. Right, the higher end leather products you carry might use hides from this company. The story behind the story is something I always find fascinating.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Breaking Bread -- Thanksgiving advice from Walt Jesse
I think one of the funniest lines I've heard was when Garrison Keiller was talking about pumpkin pie, and noting that there is almost no difference between the best pumpkin pie you ever had, and the worst And yes, that has been my experience. It always tastes the same! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: Thanks for the sentiments Barry. Right back atcha! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: America's most famous cooks teach you how to make rum-spiced pumpkin pie: http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2012/11/21/breaking_bad_thanksgiving\ _parody_breaking_bread_walter_white_and_jesse_pinkman.html Have a happy Thanksgiving, whatever you're cooking...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Euripides' The Bacchae
Yea, Robin, I enjoyed your sutras. I'd like to call them the Robindra Sutras, but maybe that would have negative connotation. But I couldn't think of a better name. But I did enjoy them, and would like to reflect more on them. I think you've got something there, but it doesn't exactly lend itself to objective verification that I can tell. I think LGs got a good bead on it. It's a good contribution. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: Robin, I too enjoyed your list of criteria for determining the truth (although I'll have to admit, I had to read each one very, very slowly!). I watched Sylvia again last night, a movie about Sylvia Plath (Gwyneth Paltrow), her writings, her marriage to Ted Hughes (Daniel Craig), and finally her suicide. The scene where some poets are just sitting around spontaneously rifting on whatever's in their heads reminds me somewhat of your writings. I'll bet you would have made a great beat poet...perhaps you *were* one of those beat poets? If you care to share, what are your thoughts on Sylvia Plath's poetry or the writings of Jack Kerouac? Did either or both have a handle on the truth of reality? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@ wrote: snip You are just as interested in the proposition of being wrong as being right. You let reality be as complex as it wants to be as it makes itself known inside your mind. Your argument interacts with reality (and you feel this) as you articulate that argument. You seek to say what you have said before but to make sure you have the experience when you say it as it you have never said it before. You are always being potentially the most critical audience to your own performance. You look for the fresh validation from what is most real: the validity of your opinion is, for you, up for grabs when you express it. You do your best to make your experience of being you as original and innocent as if you were just coming to know yourself for the first time in that moment. You seek to know the difference between when the wind is behind you, when the wind is blasting in your face. You like the idea of life as the opportunity to continually recreate yourself--and to be recreated. You have the experience that what is behind reality knows you better than you know yourself. snip
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, laughinggull108 no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: snip Anyway, yes thank you for continuing to pray for me and my complete healing. But could you also maybe squeeze in a prayer that Judy acquire a sense of humor? Ok, no big stretch like able to laugh at herself, but you know, to at least be able to recognize when someone is joking. Even Feste says she has not smiled since 1987! Eat your heart out, baby: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/300960 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301020 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301104 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/301143 snicker Judy, saying that the above represents your sense of humor is similar to a group of bullies standing together on the playground after having robbed their favorite targets of their lunch money (and have even convinced them that they were *right* in doing so), then starting to insult each other while mock slapping each other on the back and laughing about it. I agree. The above examples would be the most peculiar examples of a sense of humor I could imagine. I mean, I hate to say it, but it sort of proves Feste's point.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
Hate you? Hate you? No love. You bring out the closest I might have to Divine Compassion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Oh stop hating me for being abusive to idiots like you - have you ever shown any sensitivity to my needs? to my addictions? My Mother Kali will not replenish my Divine Vodka until I insult idiots like you. Stop being so selfish. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 9:03 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: ** If it's all the same to you I'd just as soon have you consider a drive-* bye*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: You got that right Steve baby - you don't know when Ravi Yogi, the King of Yogis, the mad, lunatic Yogi, the Kali's Pimp will perform a drive-by. Anyway I thought I was being very kind and sensitive to your disability. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:33 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: ** Hail Ravi, King of the Yogis! Rav, I also had an insight into something about you. I guess this is as good a time as any to share it. I guess it was a month or so ago when you got booted from your most recent chat room, I took a look at some of your posts. And because it was an Amma group, you actually made some contributions other than your abusive rants. I mean don't get me wrong, it was still 70% abusive rants, but 30% was something different. But I guess here, being somewhat of an outsider, the only contribution you feel you can make here are your abusive rants. But thank you for dedicating a day to me. And based on your history here, I guess most every day is Ravi's Abusive Rant Day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Last week I dedicated Nov 11th to be celebrated as the day of paranoia and hysteria. I would like to similarly dedicate Nov 18th to be the day when idiots like Steve roam free, totally unhinged - untouched, untainted by any logic, reason or intelligence - a license to cause total mayhem among the intelligent people on FFL who force others into following their neurotic, paranoid need to be reasonable, logical and/or intelligent. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@: Dear Steve, You are the only human being I have come across where I can unequivocally say - that you are who you are and supposed to be - an idiot. I have never sensed another self other than the idiotic self you project and act out of. This whole idiotic context of yours works - even in your clueless, audacious, mystifying ways. Therefore any attempts to make you see the world in any intelligent, logical, rational way will be futile. You are, in whatever emotion is dominating you, outside of the burden normal intelligent people carry. The problem I have is forgetting that you are sui generis - no other idiot I have seen is as fluidly and suavely consistent inside the idiotic, moronic self as you. The neurotic and existential tendencies in the rest of us intelligent, sensitive people, they will never touch you Steve - not at your core. And do you know how I know this Steve? Because you only make a connection with something idiotic, irrational in each one of us. And I doubt you have ever established, or could establish, a relationship with another intelligent, rational human being, because no human being can enter into your idiotic context, and no human being can reciprocally behave according to the idiotic intuitions and impulses that move you. You can't help but be perpetually and provocatively idiotic. This is the real Steve. It makes me believe there is after all something lovable in idiots. But you seem to me the only genuine, living embodiment of it. I challenge you to tell me you have ever met someone who is as idiotic as you are. This is impossible. Love, Ravi. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: But I didn't expect you to take responsibility for the accusation, Steve. You are not a serious person. You sound like Robin. But I like Robin, and even if I can't follow some of his posting, I understand his basic premise of checking one's subjectivity against reality. And I can even go one or two rounds with him before I feel diminishing returns set in. I am sorry I
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
Wow. That's pretty good Share. I think one of Judy's recent posts also had the Robin hallmark. Hey, there's a recent medieval code that needs deciphering. Are you available? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: dear Ravi, do you realize how much you sound like Robin here?! That bit about tendencies never touching Steve at his core? That otther bit about how no human being can enter into Steve's context?! If one simply removes the word idiot, this post, even from the very first sentence, could have been written by Robin: You are the only human being I have come across where I can unequivocally say that you are who you are and supposed to be. FFL, I ask you, does that not sound like an opening sentence that Robin could have written?! From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] An ode to the The Idiot Steve  Dear Steve, You are the only human being I have come across where I can unequivocally say - that you are who you are and supposed to be - an idiot. I have never sensed another self other than the idiotic self you project and act out of. This whole idiotic context of yours works - even in your clueless, audacious, mystifying ways. Therefore any attempts to make you see the world in any intelligent, logical, rational way will be futile. You are, in whatever emotion is dominating you, outside of the burden normal intelligent people carry. The problem I have is forgetting that you are sui generis - no other idiot I have seen is as fluidly and suavely consistent inside the idiotic, moronic self as you. The neurotic and existential tendencies in the rest of us intelligent, sensitive people, they will never touch you Steve - not at your core. And do you know how I know this Steve? Because you only make a connection with something idiotic, irrational in each one of us. And I doubt you have ever established, or could establish, a relationship with another intelligent, rational human being, because no human being can enter into your idiotic context, and no human being can reciprocally behave according to the idiotic intuitions and impulses that move you. You can't help but be perpetually and provocatively idiotic. This is the real Steve. It makes me believe there is after all something lovable in idiots. But you seem to me the only genuine, living embodiment of it. I challenge you to tell me you have ever met someone who is as idiotic as you are. This is impossible. Love, Ravi. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: But I didn't expect you to take responsibility for the accusation, Steve. You are not a serious person. You sound like Robin. But I like Robin, and even if I can't follow some of his posting, I understand his basic premise of checking one's subjectivity against reality. And I can even go one or two rounds with him before I feel diminishing returns set in. I am sorry I cannot afford you the same respect. Your agenda offers no benefit that I can see.   Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
Oh Share, one other things. I did have to chuckle to myself about Ann's recent post lauding Ravi on his sense of loyalty. I think even he was embarassed about that one. I don't blame Ann. She just hasn't been here long enough to see how quickly Ravi can turn on people. He's just about completed his 180 on you. It used to take only one or two mildly critical posts before it happened. Now, at least, it seems to take a little longer. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@... wrote: Wow. That's pretty good Share. I think one of Judy's recent posts also had the Robin hallmark. Hey, there's a recent medieval code that needs deciphering. Are you available? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: dear Ravi, do you realize how much you sound like Robin here?! That bit about tendencies never touching Steve at his core? That otther bit about how no human being can enter into Steve's context?! If one simply removes the word idiot, this post, even from the very first sentence, could have been written by Robin: You are the only human being I have come across where I can unequivocally say that you are who you are and supposed to be. FFL, I ask you, does that not sound like an opening sentence that Robin could have written?! From: Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2012 10:07 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] An ode to the The Idiot Steve  Dear Steve, You are the only human being I have come across where I can unequivocally say - that you are who you are and supposed to be - an idiot. I have never sensed another self other than the idiotic self you project and act out of. This whole idiotic context of yours works - even in your clueless, audacious, mystifying ways. Therefore any attempts to make you see the world in any intelligent, logical, rational way will be futile. You are, in whatever emotion is dominating you, outside of the burden normal intelligent people carry. The problem I have is forgetting that you are sui generis - no other idiot I have seen is as fluidly and suavely consistent inside the idiotic, moronic self as you. The neurotic and existential tendencies in the rest of us intelligent, sensitive people, they will never touch you Steve - not at your core. And do you know how I know this Steve? Because you only make a connection with something idiotic, irrational in each one of us. And I doubt you have ever established, or could establish, a relationship with another intelligent, rational human being, because no human being can enter into your idiotic context, and no human being can reciprocally behave according to the idiotic intuitions and impulses that move you. You can't help but be perpetually and provocatively idiotic. This is the real Steve. It makes me believe there is after all something lovable in idiots. But you seem to me the only genuine, living embodiment of it. I challenge you to tell me you have ever met someone who is as idiotic as you are. This is impossible. Love, Ravi. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: But I didn't expect you to take responsibility for the accusation, Steve. You are not a serious person. You sound like Robin. But I like Robin, and even if I can't follow some of his posting, I understand his basic premise of checking one's subjectivity against reality. And I can even go one or two rounds with him before I feel diminishing returns set in. I am sorry I cannot afford you the same respect. Your agenda offers no benefit that I can see.   Â
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your fav MAV product?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, salyavin808 fintlewoodlewix@... wrote: snip Personally I prefer homeopathic remedies and just take a drink of water when there's nothing wrong with me. This company, Luyties, used to our next store (business) neighbor, until they turned their building into residential. I wish understood homeopathy better. Lately, what I've read indicates the placebo effect is a strong part of it. http://www.1-800homeopathy.com/luyties/
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
Oh that's funny Raunch. At least I don't have to asterisk my postings. You know: (paraphrase) Unflinching honest is a necessity for forums such as this* * except for people I don't happen to like, for people I disagree with, for anyone else who may get on my nerves. or how about this one: ( again paraphrasing, at least on the Dixon part) Mike Dixon's views can be equated with the Taliban who shot the 14 year girl in the head in an attempt to murder her, but Ravi's vivid description of sex acts in which I am named is just a passionate difference of opinion) Whoo boy. That would be funny if it weren't so sad. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: Reading conversations between Steve and Share this morning dropped me into a front row seat at the cinema watching Woody Allen movies famous for funny non sequiturs. Enjoy the hilarity. Love and Death http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDECrl6VSfAfeature=youtube_gdata_player Love and Death Russian gentleman: So who is to say what is moral? Sonja: Morality is subjective. Russian gentleman: Subjectivity is objective. Sonja: Moral notions imply attributes to substances which exist only in relational duality. Russian gentleman: Not as an essential extension of ontological existence. Sonja: Can we not talk about sex so much? Hannah and Her Sisters And Nietzsche, with his theory of eternal recurrence. He said that the life we lived we're gonna live over again the exact same way for eternity. Great. That means I'll have to sit through the Ice Capades again. Mighty Aphrodite And so there I am on the first day, on the set, and there's this guy fucking me from behind, right, and there's these two huge guys dressed like cops in my mouth at the same time and I remember thinking to myself, I like acting. I wanna study. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: Dear Steve, You are the only human being I have come across where I can unequivocally say - that you are who you are and supposed to be - an idiot. I have never sensed another self other than the idiotic self you project and act out of. This whole idiotic context of yours works - even in your clueless, audacious, mystifying ways. Therefore any attempts to make you see the world in any intelligent, logical, rational way will be futile. You are, in whatever emotion is dominating you, outside of the burden normal intelligent people carry. The problem I have is forgetting that you are sui generis - no other idiot I have seen is as fluidly and suavely consistent inside the idiotic, moronic self as you. The neurotic and existential tendencies in the rest of us intelligent, sensitive people, they will never touch you Steve - not at your core. And do you know how I know this Steve? Because you only make a connection with something idiotic, irrational in each one of us. And I doubt you have ever established, or could establish, a relationship with another intelligent, rational human being, because no human being can enter into your idiotic context, and no human being can reciprocally behave according to the idiotic intuitions and impulses that move you. You can't help but be perpetually and provocatively idiotic. This is the real Steve. It makes me believe there is after all something lovable in idiots. But you seem to me the only genuine, living embodiment of it. I challenge you to tell me you have ever met someone who is as idiotic as you are. This is impossible. Love, Ravi. On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 7:43 PM, seventhray1 lurkernomore20002000@ wrote: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: But I didn't expect you to take responsibility for the accusation, Steve. You are not a serious person. You sound like Robin. But I like Robin, and even if I can't follow some of his posting, I understand his basic premise of checking one's subjectivity against reality. And I can even go one or two rounds with him before I feel diminishing returns set in. I am sorry I cannot afford you the same respect. Your agenda offers no benefit that I can see.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: Oh dear, Share. Are you sure you want to go there? Are you still being nudged from behind the curtain by your mentors? If you want to go to the heart of the issue (you had an opportunity yesterday) then by gum woman, go there. But stop beating around the stage scenery back there and get out under the flood lights. Hi Ann, I need to consolidate my posts. Thank you for your goodwill expressed a post or so ago, even if it came with usual hedging and conditions. It was at least somewhat more generous than we usually see. But I find this post here, to Share to be missing the mark. This charge that she is being aided and abetted from behind the scenes I think is being so overplayed. I guess the assertion is that LK, is somehow manipulating Share. I think it has become a pretty lame charge, but perhaps one that gives you comfort rather than simply addressing what she says, or recommending that she not offer an opinion in the first place. Maybe consider that one finger point out, three finger pointing back thingy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: An ode to the The Idiot Steve
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchydog@... wrote: LK lurks behind the scenes hedging conditions more generous than usual, pointing *three* fingers at his thingy. An important task like this should not be left to a mere three fingers. You will not get full effect. But I have not been in this business for some time. Perhaps Ravi might have more recent practice with this.
