[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A whole group of us were in that boat. During our first group flying in the Dome at the end of our flying block, we all kicked back and watched everyone else, rather than leave when the time was up. Everyone ended up staring at this guy at the very front ofthe dome who floated for 20 minutes non-stop, ikidyounot! Everyone was convinced that this was the smoking gun of the sidhis. Like WOW! Years later, I returned to the Dome and noticed that the podium was on a raised platform with foam on it. Anyone who was hopping around on it would look, to anyone who was still sitting at the back of the dome, like they were FLOATING FOR 20 MINUTES NON-STOP, like WOW! Had any of us stood up during this floating session, we would have noticed what was going on. All of us chose to remain sitting, however. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rest of my Yogic Flying block still believed 22 years later that they had really seen this guy floating for 20 minutes I suggest that you keep this story in mind when reviewing the TM scientific research. That, in my opinion, is the phenomenon that drives all too much of it. The researchers go into it convinced that they are going to find something that validates already-held beliefs. Therefore, they find it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A whole group of us were in that boat. During our first group flying in the Dome at the end of our flying block, we all kicked back and watched everyone else, rather than leave when the time was up. Everyone ended up staring at this guy at the very front ofthe dome who floated for 20 minutes non-stop, ikidyounot! Everyone was convinced that this was the smoking gun of the sidhis. Like WOW! Years later, I returned to the Dome and noticed that the podium was on a raised platform with foam on it. Anyone who was hopping around on it would look, to anyone who was still sitting at the back of the dome, like they were FLOATING FOR 20 MINUTES NON-STOP, like WOW! Had any of us stood up during this floating session, we would have noticed what was going on. All of us chose to remain sitting, however. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rest of my Yogic Flying block still believed 22 years later that they had really seen this guy floating for 20 minutes I suggest that you keep this story in mind when reviewing the TM scientific research. That, in my opinion, is the phenomenon that drives all too much of it. The researchers go into it convinced that they are going to find something that validates already-held beliefs. Therefore, they find it. Thing is, I know several of the researchers. They're all true believers, but when they're wearing the hat of a researcher, they're a lot more skeptical than you seem to believe. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone? on 7/17/06 1:17 AM, nablus108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. Are you sure youre not talking about Yogananda? The very same story is told in his autobiography. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A whole group of us were in that boat. During our first group flying in the Dome at the end of our flying block, we all kicked back and watched everyone else, rather than leave when the time was up. Everyone ended up staring at this guy at the very front ofthe dome who floated for 20 minutes non-stop, ikidyounot! Everyone was convinced that this was the smoking gun of the sidhis. Like WOW! Years later, I returned to the Dome and noticed that the podium was on a raised platform with foam on it. Anyone who was hopping around on it would look, to anyone who was still sitting at the back of the dome, like they were FLOATING FOR 20 MINUTES NON-STOP, like WOW! Had any of us stood up during this floating session, we would have noticed what was going on. All of us chose to remain sitting, however. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rest of my Yogic Flying block still believed 22 years later that they had really seen this guy floating for 20 minutes I suggest that you keep this story in mind when reviewing the TM scientific research. That, in my opinion, is the phenomenon that drives all too much of it. The researchers go into it convinced that they are going to find something that validates already-held beliefs. Therefore, they find it. Actually, TM researchers and research are quite real, so there's no call for the scare quotes. As it happens, what you claim is the case with TM scientific research is the case with a great deal of non-TM scientific research as well. That's why science has a system for validating research. The original researchers present their conclusions to the scientific community via peer- reviewed publication, whereupon other researchers have the opportunity to stand up and see whether the first researchers have missed something important. *Any* research--not just that performed by TMers-- is subject to this reviewing process and remains in a kind of scientific limbo until it's completed. The possibility of the kind of bias you describe should be kept in mind for *all* research--not just that by TM researchers--that has not gone through the process. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. There's a website that is allegedly her fficial website. Has the timeline of her life. It mentions MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thing is, I know several of the researchers. They're all true believers, but when they're wearing the hat of a researcher, they're a lot more skeptical than you seem to believe. I defer to your experience. I suspect that some of the TM-related research is strong, but I also suspect that some of it is laughably weak. I'm only speaking to the mindset of true believer posing as dispassionate scientist. If you're looking for something to validate your own strongly-held belief system, the tendency is to find it. On the other hand, there are research projects that turn out to have real researchers manning them, who are not afraid to admit it when their assumptions turn out to be wrong. I'm thinking of the recent long-term study on the power of prayer with regard to healing. The researchers expected to find a correlation between being prayed for and faster healing; in fact they found that either there was no correlation, or in some cases, the people being prayed for got worse or healed more slowly than statistics say they should have. I'd feel better about the TM research if there were a few more of those kinds of studies, along the lines of, We expected to find X positive result and didn't find it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
I suspect that some of the TM-related research is strong, but I also suspect that some of it is laughably weak. And your scientific rationale for this fundamentalist belief is??? ..answer: fundamentalist prejudice...just like the Bush and the fundie christians when it comes to global warming. No science behind your ego-driven, medieval views. There are many studies even recent published in peer-reviewed journals. Of cours any studies on some other guru technique etc. you will accept without question. Truth is the TM researchers are stricter than most researchers because they know they will be scrutinised more. In fact, when any independent researcher has taken the data on TM and analysed it they get very positive results, and then if the TM scientists anaylze the same stuff they get lesser results. Every single time. Your prejudice against science and touting your own personal opinion over science stinks like rotton eggs, and will be lumped in the same boat as the arrogance of the fundie fanatic christians and other uneducated slobs. Any scientist today respects the TM research. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that some of the TM-related research is strong, but I also suspect that some of it is laughably weak. And your scientific rationale for this fundamentalist belief is??? ..answer: fundamentalist prejudice...just like the Bush and the fundie christians when it comes to global warming. No science behind your ego-driven, medieval views. There are many studies even recent published in peer-reviewed journals. Of cours any studies on some other guru technique etc. you will accept without question. Truth is the TM researchers are stricter than most researchers because they know they will be scrutinised more. In fact, when any independent researcher has taken the data on TM and analysed it they get very positive results, and then if the TM scientists anaylze the same stuff they get lesser results. Every single time. Your prejudice against science and touting your own personal opinion over science stinks like rotton eggs, and will be lumped in the same boat as the arrogance of the fundie fanatic christians and other uneducated slobs. Any scientist today respects the TM research. That last statement is as laughable as saying, There are people who think Off World is sane. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. There's a website that is allegedly her fficial website. Has the timeline of her life. It mentions MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
When SSRS was about 12 years old MMY brought him to see Anandamayi Ma. SSRS says that she kept on refering to him in the female tense and he didn't know why. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. There's a website that is allegedly her fficial website. Has the timeline of her life. It mentions MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
1968? Sounds early. There is more to the story, n'est pas?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When SSRS was about 12 years old MMY brought him to see Anandamayi Ma. SSRS says that she kept on refering to him in the female tense and he didn't know why. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it differently: MMY asked and she declined. There are dozens of biograpies on her, which one do you reffer to ? I heard this from a fellow probably still on Purusha, he was there. It does not make sense that Maharishi would invite an indian saint to Europe knowing that hundreds of her disciples automatically would follow. Some of these disciples refused to leave her and travelled along with her all over India. She was very well known in India, having thousands of disciples and started ashrams all over the country. If you happen to go to Vrindavan you could drop by her ashram there, very strong athmosphere though in need of renovation. There's a website that is allegedly her fficial website. Has the timeline of her life. It mentions MMY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
Peter, If the stories on her Website are accurate, her confusion doesn't surprise me. I found her descent into madness chronicled on her site completely riveting. Of course I understand that others may see the divine hand at work instead of a mental illness. Funny to think how she would have been treated in this culture with her symptoms. She may have sustained neurological damage early on if this story is true from her site: A daughter earlier born to Mokhshadasundari died prematurely. With that tragedy in mind Mokhshada [Grandma (Didima) to the devotees] took the newborn MA before a Tulsi sapling installed in the house in the morning and rolled the infant over and over on the ground. The ritual was repeated every day for eighteen months. When MA grew up, she did it all by herself'- an infant god frolicking in front of her other self, symbolised by the Tulsi. But with this experience she would be off to a facility for sure: 1926 Thus passed the days at Shahbag. She would start a job, say, the offering of the cooked food to the deity and would stop midway becoming as still as a stone. This might happen during the household work or cooking, regardless of the heat from the blazing oven scorching her body. She would lie prostrate for hours unmindful of the rows of ants biting into her flesh. She would walk around at night through bushes and boughs unafraid of snakes or reptiles. Yet, her face would glow with a smile, her body with radiance. The site is full of this kind of story interpreted through the rosy glasses of her divine nature. Her experiences remind me of the three people I knew personally at MIU who became afflicted with Schizophrenia. (The college age group is particularly vulnerable to this disease isn't it?) One was taken over by divine rapture and refused to leave his room for days. Fortunately for him he was taken for treatment instead of being worshiped. Under the grip of this illness my friends took on an appearance of divine ecstasy or extreme pain and their eyes gleamed with intensity It was completely unnerving to be in their presence, but with the right mindset and belief system I can see how people could respond differently. Would Ma have been better off on some psych drug? That is a tough one isn't it? One friend whose progress I tracked through the years was constantly going off his meds because the sensations of the illness were so compelling for him. It is tough to give up divine rapture for functionality in daily life. The fact that he was tormented by his illness was also clear. There was no reasonable position that would allow him to just stay off the drugs. What a shitty dilemma life handed him and his poor family. Interpreting Ma's inability to even feed herself at times as divine forgetfulness is kind of a charming alternative to seeing her condition clinically. Or maybe autism was at play? Since I am giving a medical diagnosis on the basis of stories, what that hell, I might as well throw that one in also! Who knows. Instead of wandering the streets as she might have ended up here, she had a rich full life with people catering to her every whim. This is a fascinating life viewed from any perspective isn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When SSRS was about 12 years old MMY brought him to see Anandamayi Ma. SSRS says that she kept on refering to him in the female tense and he didn't know why. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an amazing sight. When she left the body in 1982 Maharishi said; Now I'm really alone. According to Benjamin Creme, Ananda Mayima was an Avatar. Her official biography says it
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: Thing is, I know several of the researchers. They're all true believers, but when they're wearing the hat of a researcher, they're a lot more skeptical than you seem to believe. I defer to your experience. I suspect that some of the TM-related research is strong, but I also suspect that some of it is laughably weak. I'm only speaking to the mindset of true believer posing as dispassionate scientist. If you're looking for something to validate your own strongly-held belief system, the tendency is to find it. On the other hand, there are research projects that turn out to have real researchers manning them, who are not afraid to admit it when their assumptions turn out to be wrong. I'm thinking of the recent long-term study on the power of prayer with regard to healing. The researchers expected to find a correlation between being prayed for and faster healing; in fact they found that either there was no correlation, or in some cases, the people being prayed for got worse or healed more slowly than statistics say they should have. I'd feel better about the TM research if there were a few more of those kinds of studies, along the lines of, We expected to find X positive result and didn't find it. The TMO's self-funded research is probably loaded with that kind of thing. It never sees the light of day. By the time the Movement researchers are willingto spend the time and energy to request government grant money, they're pretty sure they're going to find an effect, based on the in-house research. By the time they're willing to seek out non- meditating collaborators to do research, they're *positive* they're going to find an effect. There are a few instances of unexpected failures making it out however. Kesterson's work on breath suspension during transcending showed conclusively that transcending had nothing to do with reduced metabolism, which was Kieth Wallace's original belief. OTOH, Kesterson established that there was something unusual going on, even so. The weakest research you see these days is for stuff that the scientists have no clue how to study anyway, like sthapatya veda and the like. That's pure marketing BS, IMHO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter, If the stories on her Website are accurate, her confusion doesn't surprise me. I found her descent into madness chronicled on her site completely riveting. How sad. Of course I understand that others may see the divine hand at work instead of a mental illness. Funny to think how she would have been treated in this culture with her symptoms. She may have sustained neurological damage early on if this story is true from her site: A daughter earlier born to Mokhshadasundari died prematurely. With that tragedy in mind Mokhshada [Grandma (Didima) to the devotees] took the newborn MA before a Tulsi sapling installed in the house in the morning and rolled the infant over and over on the ground. The ritual was repeated every day for eighteen months. When MA grew up, she did it all by herself'- an infant god frolicking in front of her other self, symbolised by the Tulsi. But with this experience she would be off to a facility for sure: 1926 Thus passed the days at Shahbag. She would start a job, say, the offering of the cooked food to the deity and would stop midway becoming as still as a stone. This might happen during the household work or cooking, regardless of the heat from the blazing oven scorching her body. She would lie prostrate for hours unmindful of the rows of ants biting into her flesh. She would walk around at night through bushes and boughs unafraid of snakes or reptiles. Yet, her face would glow with a smile, her body with radi ance. The site is full of this kind of story interpreted through the rosy glasses of her divine nature. Her experiences remind me of the three people I knew personally at MIU who became afflicted with Schizophrenia. (The college age group is particularly vulnerable to this disease isn't it?) One was taken over by divine rapture and refused to leave his room for days. Fortunately for him he was taken for treatment instead of being worshiped. Under the grip of this illness my friends took on an appearance of divine ecstasy or extreme pain and their eyes gleamed with intensity It was completely unnerving to be in their presence, but with the right mindset and belief system I can see how people could respond differently. Would Ma have been better off on some psych drug? That is a tough one isn't it? One friend whose progress I tracked through the years was constantly going off his meds because the sensations of the illness were so compelling for him. It is tough to give up divine rapture for functionality in daily life. The fact that he was tormented by his illness was also clear. There was no reasonable position that would allow him to just stay off the drugs. What a shitty dilemma life handed him and his poor family. Interpreting Ma's inability to even feed herself at times as divine forgetfulness is kind of a charming alternative to seeing her condition clinically. Or maybe autism was at play? Since I am giving a medical diagnosis on the basis of stories, what that hell, I might as well throw that one in also! Who knows. Instead of wandering the streets as she might have ended up here, she had a rich full life with people catering to her every whim. This is a fascinating life viewed from any perspective isn't it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: When SSRS was about 12 years old MMY brought him to see Anandamayi Ma. SSRS says that she kept on refering to him in the female tense and he didn't know why. --- curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Good find. Did you check out the videos? http://www.anandamayi.org/mmedia/avi/8d.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. If you are referring to Ananda Mayima it was the other way around. She did not want to part with Maharishi so she wanted to come with him to Switzerland, but seeing the huge following of her disciples, who could not part with her, he suggested that it was better she stayed in India. I've talked to people who saw them together, just sitting quietly on the floor holding hands, it was an
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ OK. Not exactly on point, but tangents are good. While not proceletizing for any method, I have not seen such cause problems in darshan around SSRS. Or Sri Kunyamari. Nor heard of such around Amma. Are you suggesting weaker people are/ were attracted to be around MMY when being in his presence was open. No, I'm saying that highly-stressed people began to normalize/ unstress around MMY because he is enlightened. The darshan of the others you mention does not provoke this unstressing response because they do not produce the light which would create the reaction. You have expweienced the light of each? How much were you in close proximity to MMY? OK. Now back to the main point of my prior post, which you said was laughable, TM is unable to cure or heal certain maladies such as depression -- and long time meditators have had to revert to ECT. Depression is anything less than living the fullness of life, which is Bliss Consciousness. Mentally ill or highly stressed individuals simply need to be patient and stick with 10 minutes of TM, not in groups, and they will eventually be able to make faster progress towards Bliss. So in all cases 10-min is OK and curative Dr Bob? Saying that ECT has any significance is like saying that hitting somebody over the head with a hammer makes them forgot what they worried about. And yet some long term TMers / teachers, in meditating families, required it, TM did not heal them. The psychological profile of early adopters is different from that of late adopters, Sharper and more alert to whats out there? and in the case of a utopian-vision technique like TM, naturally the early adopters have been disproportionately crackpot. Yes, that Jerry Jarvis and Keith Wallace. What whack jobs. When TM becomes more mainstream, more ordinary and less- wacky people will be practicing TM and running the movement. Yes, like you, Off, Peter Klutz, Shemp. A sterling portfolio of mental clarity Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ OK. Not exactly on point, but tangents are good. While not proceletizing for any method, I have not seen such cause problems in darshan around SSRS. Or Sri Kunyamari. Nor heard of such around Amma. Are you suggesting weaker people are/ were attracted to be around MMY when being in his presence was open. No, I'm saying that highly-stressed people began to normalize/ unstress around MMY because he is enlightened. The darshan of the others you mention does not provoke this unstressing response because they do not produce the light which would create the reaction. You have experienced the light of each? How much were you in close proximity to MMY? OK. Now back to the main point of my prior post, which you said was laughable, TM is unable to cure or heal certain maladies such as depression -- and long time meditators have had to revert to ECT. Depression is anything less than living the fullness of life, which is Bliss Consciousness. Mentally ill or highly stressed individuals simply need to be patient and stick with 10 minutes of TM, not in groups, and they will eventually be able to make faster progress towards Bliss. So in all cases 10-min is OK and curative Dr Bob? Saying that ECT has any significance is like saying that hitting somebody over the head with a hammer makes them forgot what they worried about. And yet some long term TMers / teachers, in meditating families, required it, TM did not heal them. The psychological profile of early adopters is different from that of late adopters, Sharper and more alert to whats out there? and in the case of a utopian-vision technique like TM, naturally the early adopters have been disproportionately crackpot. Yes, that Jerry Jarvis and Keith Wallace. What whack jobs. When TM becomes more mainstream, more ordinary and less- wacky people will be practicing TM and running the movement. Yes, like you, Off, Peter Klutz, Shemp. A sterling portfolio of mental clarity To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: bigsnip how did you like the results of the other studies? .) The rest of the studies seem to be also unpublished. um check again. Journal of Alternative and Compimentary Medicine Journals of alternative medicine are not taken seriously by anyone in the science world. Nice try, but no cigar. Which is why the TMO has published in such journals for years... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ OK. Not exactly on point, but tangents are good. While not proceletizing for any method, I have not seen such cause problems in darshan around SSRS. Or Sri Kunyamari. Nor heard of such around Amma. Are you suggesting weaker people are/ were attracted to be around MMY when being in his presence was open. No, I'm saying that highly-stressed people began to normalize/ unstress around MMY because he is enlightened. The darshan of the others you mention does not provoke this unstressing response because they do not produce the light which would create the reaction. You have experienced the light of each? How much were you in close proximity to MMY? I've seen them, except Kunyamari, and Bob Brigante is absolutely right. I have also seen Tatwala Baba, Mustem Baba, Sripad Baba and quite a few other Yogis, Babas and Gurus; no one even comes close to the light which radiates from Maharishi. I must add though, that the light coming from Shri Chinmoy is also very strong indeed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen them, except Kunyamari, and Bob Brigante is absolutely right. I have also seen Tatwala Baba, Mustem Baba, Sripad Baba and quite a few other Yogis, Babas and Gurus; no one even comes close to the light which radiates from Maharishi. I must add though, that the light coming from Shri Chinmoy is also very strong indeed. This is actually interesting if you know anything about Sri Chinmoy. He is generally regarded in the spiritual community as being able to emanate a certain *kind* of energy or aura or light, one that is associated with the occult. In other words, he is famous for being able to flash people out with a cheap, flashy, low-grade type of energy, one that is very noticeable by people with unsubtle nervous systems. As opposed to someone who is just quietly enlightened, and would not be noticeable at all. It's an interesting distinction in the types of energy that one feels around spiritual teachers, one that has been discussed on many forums that deal with multiple teachers. It doesn't surprise me in the least that what nabius felt from Maharishi is similar to what he felt around Sri Chinmoy. I've never seen Sri Chinmoy, but I have read dozens of these discussions about the type of energy he radiates, and it is consistent with any- thing I ever felt around Maharishi. That is, occasionally some cheap flash, but never any energy that I personally would associate with enlightenment. Your mileage may vary... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: I've seen them, except Kunyamari, and Bob Brigante is absolutely right. I have also seen Tatwala Baba, Mustem Baba, Sripad Baba and quite a few other Yogis, Babas and Gurus; no one even comes close to the light which radiates from Maharishi. I must add though, that the light coming from Shri Chinmoy is also very strong indeed. This is actually interesting if you know anything about Sri Chinmoy. He is generally regarded in the spiritual community as being able to emanate a certain *kind* of energy or aura or light, one that is associated with the occult. In other words, he is famous for being able to flash people out with a cheap, flashy, low-grade type of energy, one that is very noticeable by people with unsubtle nervous systems. As opposed to someone who is just quietly enlightened, and would not be noticeable at all. It's an interesting distinction in the types of energy that one feels around spiritual teachers, one that has been discussed on many forums that deal with multiple teachers. It doesn't surprise me in the least that what nabius felt from Maharishi is similar to what he felt around Sri Chinmoy. I've never seen Sri Chinmoy, but I have read dozens of these discussions about the type of energy he radiates, and it is consistent with any- thing I ever felt around Maharishi. That is, occasionally some cheap flash, but never any energy that I personally would associate with enlightenment. Your mileage may vary... Interesting post. I am however not going to engange in a newagetype debate about light. Just one little point: When Maharishi, constantly, for hours on end dissapears in a golden light right in front of my eyes, it's not a cheap flash. Not in my book anyway. I have seen that only with one other person, and that was once I witnessed Benjamin Creme being overshadowed by Maitreya, our oldest brother and head of the Masters now incarnated on earth. What I am convinced of, after talking to Sri Chimnoy, hearing him speak and observing him as well as talking to his disciples, is that he is enlightened. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: I've seen them, except Kunyamari, and Bob Brigante is absolutely right. I have also seen Tatwala Baba, Mustem Baba, Sripad Baba and quite a few other Yogis, Babas and Gurus; no one even comes close to the light which radiates from Maharishi. I must add though, that the light coming from Shri Chinmoy is also very strong indeed. This is actually interesting if you know anything about Sri Chinmoy. He is generally regarded in the spiritual community as being able to emanate a certain *kind* of energy or aura or light, one that is associated with the occult. In other words, he is famous for being able to flash people out with a cheap, flashy, low-grade type of energy, one that is very noticeable by people with unsubtle nervous systems. As opposed to someone who is just quietly enlightened, and would not be noticeable at all. It's an interesting distinction in the types of energy that one feels around spiritual teachers, one that has been discussed on many forums that deal with multiple teachers. It doesn't surprise me in the least that what nabius felt from Maharishi is similar to what he felt around Sri Chinmoy. I've never seen Sri Chinmoy, but I have read dozens of these discussions about the type of energy he radiates, and it is consistent with any- thing I ever felt around Maharishi. That is, occasionally some cheap flash, but never any energy that I personally would associate with enlightenment. Your mileage may vary... Since you like stories, and believe anything (except with 'Maharishi' in the sentence), there was a person who could see people's auras, and went to see Maharishi speak at the Albert Hall in London, way back when. The person could not see Maharishi's aura, and thought that this was very strange. She went outside later, (while Maharishi was still in there) and realised that his aura was bigger than the Albert hall and was emenating brightly as the aura around the whole big building. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: bigsnip how did you like the results of the other studies? .) The rest of the studies seem to be also unpublished. um check again. Journal of Alternative and Compimentary Medicine Journals of alternative medicine are not taken seriously by anyone in the science world. Nice try, but no cigar. Which is why the TMO has published in such journals for years... They may have published in them, but that does not mean these few studies that are published in alternative medicine journals will be taken seriously. Your logic board seems out of whack. OffWorld To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you like stories, and believe anything (except with 'Maharishi' in the sentence), there was a person who could see people's auras, and went to see Maharishi speak at the Albert Hall in London, way back when. The person could not see Maharishi's aura, and thought that this was very strange. She went outside later, (while Maharishi was still in there) and realised that his aura was bigger than the Albert hall and was emenating brightly as the aura around the whole big building. Yeah, I've heard that story, set in four or five *different* halls around the world. :-) All such perceptions are subjective. I carefully put at the end of my post Your mileage may vary. I've met many people (including many here) who felt some extraordinary energy being radiated by Maharishi. I never felt anything terribly inter- esting, in fourteen years, whereas I *did* feel (and see) interesting energy being radiated by other spiritual teachers. My feelings about Maharishi and his state of consciousness are *not* based on any visual or energetic phenomenon. My personal yardstick for enlightenment is based on what it is like to meditate in the same room with the person. For me (which is subjective, of course, and not any kind of universal measure), if you are *able* to have thoughts while meditating in the same room with the teacher, their enlightenment is in question. I have sat with people with whom it is almost impossible to have thoughts in meditation while meditating with them -- the meditation starts in transcendence, continues in transcendence, and ends in transcendence, with at most one or two thoughts intervening, at the start and and the end of the session. With Maharishi, that was never the case. With other teachers with whom I have meditated, it was definitely true. What does this mean? Well, maybe nothing, maybe something. I just know that I have my preferences in life, and for me *no amount* of flash impresses me. I have witnessed levitation and someone disap- pearing and becoming completely invisible, and seen someone 'project the double' (one body is still standing in front of you and a second body is stand- ing some distance away, waving at you), and lots of other flashy stuff. My consistent reaction to seeing these things, once the initial Wow, that's neat was over, was always (and still is), Big whoop! Show me the money. The money, for me, is silence, the experience of non-thought plus awareness that is transcendence, samadhi. My feeling is that if a teacher can convey that and help his students to experience it, then *that* might be of use to the seeker. If you've experienced transendence for fifteen, twenty, thiry minutes at a stretch, without a single thought inter- vening, then in my experience that can of use to you in your own meditations, in achieving similar results when you are not meditating with the teacher. Miracles and other flashy stuff? Big whoop! What is the value to the seeker of having witnessed them, other than to make the point that such things are possible? Also, I think that there is a 'resonance' factor that enters this equation. Some people can sit in a room with someone who is famous for being able to 'radiate golden light' (this is, BTW, the very *definition* of the occult phenomenon that is attrib- uted to Sri Chinmoy, and that nabius says he saw around Chinmoy, Maharishi and Benjamin Creme), and they witness the phenomenon. Other people sit in the same room with the same teacher and see nothing. Nada. Bupkus. Therefore I have to assume that there is some *interaction* phenomenon going on -- some people are more able to see such flashy stuff with a par- ticular teacher because their perceptions are more attuned to the kind of energy that this particular teacher is able to emanate. Others can sit in the same room and see and feel absolutely nothing. Bottom line for me is that 'miracles' and being able to do flashy things with light and 'display auras' is just a cheap energy trick that has nothing to do with being enlightened. Hell, *I* experimented, back during the time I was teaching for Rama, with being able to 'emanate golden light.' All that it required was a certain level of breath control and then a channeling of the subtle energy a certain way, and students in the rooms in which I was teaching reported (without having been prompted) that they could see golden light radiating off of me. Again, big whoop! I wasn't enlightened; nowhwere near it. I had just learned enough fundamental energy control to be able to manifest that particular sidhi. I got tired of it really quickly, and haven't tried to practice it since, but you can understand why I don't put much stock in tales of auras. I mean, really... you're read my posts...if *I* can do this shit from time to time, how 'special' is it really, and how much relationship to actual full-time,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My personal yardstick for enlightenment is based on what it is like to meditate in the same room with the person. For me (which is subjective, of course, and not any kind of universal measure), if you are *able* to have thoughts while meditating in the same room with the teacher, their enlightenment is in question. Another interesting thing* is how present their presence' can be anywhere, anytime. As others have said perhaps better, teachers act out the infinity that one is. Giving a series of dimensional snapshots of the dimensionless.** Giving one a more dimenioneless view of their own Oneness.*** For me, the power and clarity of these encapsulated expressions of the infinite -- reconstituted anywhere/anytime -- can vary by teacher.** Some simple are here for as long as I care to accept it *While having yardsticks to measure others enlightenment is not my cup of tea, in that labeling infinities with finite terms such as enlightenment seems odd to me, and measuring the infinite with finite yardsticks, that is how much infinities, seems amusing. **Which may be either my own limitations, or simply having a greater propensity towards a cert ain structure. MMY said any teacher is always available via like a golden thread and it was ALL in the seeker -- to make the connection -- the teacher did nothing. (Which is not MMY SAYS but an observation of a particualr POV.) ***I find that this can be via spiritual art also, yantras and dance -- though perhaps in a less intense form. And these envapsulated structures of bliss and knowledge are analogous to quantum packets. They have a structure, but are also formless. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When Maharishi, constantly, for hours on end dissapears in a golden light right in front of my eyes, it's not a cheap flash. Not in my book anyway. When you see the same with a rock, then know your teaching / teacher is effective. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: When Maharishi, constantly, for hours on end dissapears in a golden light right in front of my eyes, it's not a cheap flash. Not in my book anyway. When you see the same with a rock, then know your teaching / teacher is effective. Either that, or you've run into a 'rock star.' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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TurquoiseB wrote: Either that, or you've run into a 'rock star.' From: Uncle Tantra Subject: Re: Two simple questions for the bhakti supporters Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: 2003-03-16 13:29:48 PST I studied with a guy who could turn huge rooms in convention centers gold, to the point where even the security guards saw it, but that never made me think he was enlightened, only that he could do cool things with light. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've seen them, except Kunyamari, and Bob Brigante is absolutely right. I have also seen Tatwala Baba, Mustem Baba, Sripad Baba and quite a few other Yogis, Babas and Gurus; no one even comes close to the light which radiates from Maharishi. I must add though, that the light coming from Shri Chinmoy is also very strong indeed. This is actually interesting if you know anything about Sri Chinmoy. He is generally regarded in the spiritual community as being able to emanate a certain *kind* of energy or aura or light, one that is associated with the occult. In other words, he is famous for being able to flash people out with a cheap, flashy, low-grade type of energy, one that is very noticeable by people with unsubtle nervous systems. As opposed to someone who is just quietly enlightened, and would not be noticeable at all. It's an interesting distinction in the types of energy that one feels around spiritual teachers, one that has been discussed on many forums that deal with multiple teachers. It doesn't surprise me in the least that what nabius felt from Maharishi is similar to what he felt around Sri Chinmoy. I've never seen Sri Chinmoy, but I have read dozens of these discussions about the type of energy he radiates, and it is consistent with any- thing I ever felt around Maharishi. That is, occasionally some cheap flash, but never any energy that I personally would associate with enlightenment. Your mileage may vary... A lot of these gurus prep before doing a public appearance by doing extra meditation. That way they emanate more shakti during the performance. I prefer to know them in their day-to-day mode without the special prep. :) That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Just curious: Where did you see someone levitate, or become invisible; And why do you think that this person could do these siddhis; when the rest of us, who are practicing only experience glimpses of the actual siddhi... What was the 'atmosphere' like in the area, where someone is actually levitating?? Since you like stories, and believe anything (except with 'Maharishi' in the sentence), there was a person who could see people's auras, and went to see Maharishi speak at the Albert Hall in London, way back when. The person could not see Maharishi's aura, and thought that this was very strange. She went outside later, (while Maharishi was still in there) and realised that his aura was bigger than the Albert hall and was emenating brightly as the aura around the whole big building. Yeah, I've heard that story, set in four or five *different* halls around the world. :-) All such perceptions are subjective. I carefully put at the end of my post Your mileage may vary. I've met many people (including many here) who felt some extraordinary energy being radiated by Maharishi. I never felt anything terribly inter- esting, in fourteen years, whereas I *did* feel (and see) interesting energy being radiated by other spiritual teachers. My feelings about Maharishi and his state of consciousness are *not* based on any visual or energetic phenomenon. My personal yardstick for enlightenment is based on what it is like to meditate in the same room with the person. For me (which is subjective, of course, and not any kind of universal measure), if you are *able* to have thoughts while meditating in the same room with the teacher, their enlightenment is in question. I have sat with people with whom it is almost impossible to have thoughts in meditation while meditating with them -- the meditation starts in transcendence, continues in transcendence, and ends in transcendence, with at most one or two thoughts intervening, at the start and and the end of the session. With Maharishi, that was never the case. With other teachers with whom I have meditated, it was definitely true. What does this mean? Well, maybe nothing, maybe something. I just know that I have my preferences in life, and for me *no amount* of flash impresses me. I have witnessed levitation and someone disap- pearing and becoming completely invisible, and seen someone 'project the double' (one body is still standing in front of you and a second body is stand- ing some distance away, waving at you), and lots of other flashy stuff. My consistent reaction to seeing these things, once the initial Wow, that's neat was over, was always (and still is), Big whoop! Show me the money. The money, for me, is silence, the experience of non-thought plus awareness that is transcendence, samadhi. My feeling is that if a teacher can convey that and help his students to experience it, then *that* might be of use to the seeker. If you've experienced transendence for fifteen, twenty, thiry minutes at a stretch, without a single thought inter- vening, then in my experience that can of use to you in your own meditations, in achieving similar results when you are not meditating with the teacher. Miracles and other flashy stuff? Big whoop! What is the value to the seeker of having witnessed them, other than to make the point that such things are possible? Also, I think that there is a 'resonance' factor that enters this equation. Some people can sit in a room with someone who is famous for being able to 'radiate golden light' (this is, BTW, the very *definition* of the occult phenomenon that is attrib- uted to Sri Chinmoy, and that nabius says he saw around Chinmoy, Maharishi and Benjamin Creme), and they witness the phenomenon. Other people sit in the same room with the same teacher and see nothing. Nada. Bupkus. Therefore I have to assume that there is some *interaction* phenomenon going on -- some people are more able to see such flashy stuff with a par- ticular teacher because their perceptions are more attuned to the kind of energy that this particular teacher is able to emanate. Others can sit in the same room and see and feel absolutely nothing. Bottom line for me is that 'miracles' and being able to do flashy things with light and 'display auras' is just a cheap energy trick that has nothing to do with being enlightened. Hell, *I* experimented, back during the time I was teaching for Rama, with being able to 'emanate golden light.' All that it required was a certain level of breath control and then a channeling of the subtle energy a certain way, and students in the rooms in which I was teaching reported (without having been prompted) that they could see golden light radiating off of me. Again, big whoop! I wasn't enlightened; nowhwere near it. I had just learned enough fundamental energy control to be able
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious: Where did you see someone levitate, or become invisible; And why do you think that this person could do these siddhis; when the rest of us, who are practicing only experience glimpses of the actual siddhi... If you're asking me, it was not part of the TM movement. I worked with a guy named Frederick Lenz, also called Rama, who could do this sort of stuff. Basically, I saw him do these things two to four times a month for fourteen years. Sometimes it was in private meetings of students, sometimes in public lectures in Carnegie Hall or the L.A. Convention Center, sometimes in the desert, a couple of times in a Denny's in the middle of the night. Watching this stuff got to be so commonplace that we all got a little bored with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone? on 7/16/06 4:14 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious: Where did you see someone levitate, or become invisible; And why do you think that this person could do these siddhis; when the rest of us, who are practicing only experience glimpses of the actual siddhi... If you're asking me, it was not part of the TM movement. I worked with a guy named Frederick Lenz, also called Rama, who could do this sort of stuff. Basically, I saw him do these things two to four times a month for fourteen years. Sometimes it was in private meetings of students, sometimes in public lectures in Carnegie Hall or the L.A. Convention Center, sometimes in the desert, a couple of times in a Denny's in the middle of the night. Watching this stuff got to be so commonplace that we all got a little bored with it. I know several people who seem very sincere who claim that when they first got the TM-sidhis, they levitated or saw someone levitate, but never did it or saw it again. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/06 4:14 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Just curious: Where did you see someone levitate, or become invisible; And why do you think that this person could do these siddhis; when the rest of us, who are practicing only experience glimpses of the actual siddhi... If you're asking me, it was not part of the TM movement. I worked with a guy named Frederick Lenz, also called Rama, who could do this sort of stuff. Basically, I saw him do these things two to four times a month for fourteen years. Sometimes it was in private meetings of students, sometimes in public lectures in Carnegie Hall or the L.A. Convention Center, sometimes in the desert, a couple of times in a Denny's in the middle of the night. Watching this stuff got to be so commonplace that we all got a little bored with it. I know several people who seem very sincere who claim that when they first got the TM-sidhis, they levitated or saw someone levitate, but never did it or saw it again. Susan Seifert said on alt.m.t some years ago that she had seen someone levitate and had later levitated herself. She gave quite an interesting description of both experiences. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: When Maharishi, constantly, for hours on end dissapears in a golden light right in front of my eyes, it's not a cheap flash. Not in my book anyway. When you see the same with a rock, then know your teaching / teacher is effective. When you guys stop worrying about this kind of thing, get back to Me... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 7/16/06 4:14 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com , Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Just curious: Where did you see someone levitate, or become invisible; And why do you think that this person could do these siddhis; when the rest of us, who are practicing only experience glimpses of the actual siddhi... If you're asking me, it was not part of the TM movement. I worked with a guy named Frederick Lenz, also called Rama, who could do this sort of stuff. Basically, I saw him do these things two to four times a month for fourteen years. Sometimes it was in private meetings of students, sometimes in public lectures in Carnegie Hall or the L.A. Convention Center, sometimes in the desert, a couple of times in a Denny's in the middle of the night. Watching this stuff got to be so commonplace that we all got a little bored with it. I know several people who seem very sincere who claim that when they first got the TM-sidhis, they levitated or saw someone levitate, but never did it or saw it again. A whole group of us were in that boat. During our first group flying in the Dome at the end of our flying block, we all kicked back and watched everyone else, rather than leave when the time was up. Everyone ended up staring at this guy at the very front ofthe dome who floated for 20 minutes non-stop, ikidyounot! Everyone was convinced that this was the smoking gun of the sidhis. Like WOW! Years later, I returned to the Dome and noticed that the podium was on a raised platform with foam on it. Anyone who was hopping around on it would look, to anyone who was still sitting at the back of the dome, like they were FLOATING FOR 20 MINUTES NON- STOP, like WOW! Had any of us stood up during this floating session, we would have noticed what was going on. All of us chose to remain sitting, however. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the rest of my Yogic Flying block still believed 22 years later that they had really seen this guy floating for 20 minutes Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: on 7/16/06 4:14 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife% 40yahoogroups.com , Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Just curious: Where did you see someone levitate, or become invisible; And why do you think that this person could do these siddhis; when the rest of us, who are practicing only experience glimpses of the actual siddhi... If you're asking me, it was not part of the TM movement. I worked with a guy named Frederick Lenz, also called Rama, who could do this sort of stuff. Basically, I saw him do these things two to four times a month for fourteen years. Sometimes it was in private meetings of students, sometimes in public lectures in Carnegie Hall or the L.A. Convention Center, sometimes in the desert, a couple of times in a Denny's in the middle of the night. Watching this stuff got to be so commonplace that we all got a little bored with it. I know several people who seem very sincere who claim that when they first got the TM-sidhis, they levitated or saw someone levitate, but never did it or saw it again. Susan Seifert said on alt.m.t some years ago that she had seen someone levitate and had later levitated herself. She gave quite an interesting description of both experiences. I knew a guy, a Scientologist, whose girlfriend was on TTC when she was summoned to MMY's appartment and showed up early and peeked in and saw him floating 2 feet off the ground. Wheee... Maybe the story didn't get distorted. Maybe she really did see it, or maybe she only thought she did. MMY has said over and over again that there will be NO doubt about floating once it starts so I'm not going to worry about it too much either way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 nablus108@ wrote: I've seen them, except Kunyamari, and Bob Brigante is absolutely right. I have also seen Tatwala Baba, Mustem Baba, Sripad Baba and quite a few other Yogis, Babas and Gurus; no one even comes close to the light which radiates from Maharishi. I must add though, that the light coming from Shri Chinmoy is also very strong indeed. This is actually interesting if you know anything about Sri Chinmoy. He is generally regarded in the spiritual community as being able to emanate a certain *kind* of energy or aura or light, one that is associated with the occult. In other words, he is famous for being able to flash people out with a cheap, flashy, low-grade type of energy, one that is very noticeable by people with unsubtle nervous systems. As opposed to someone who is just quietly enlightened, and would not be noticeable at all. It's an interesting distinction in the types of energy that one feels around spiritual teachers, one that has been discussed on many forums that deal with multiple teachers. It doesn't surprise me in the least that what nabius felt from Maharishi is similar to what he felt around Sri Chinmoy. I've never seen Sri Chinmoy, but I have read dozens of these discussions about the type of energy he radiates, and it is consistent with any- thing I ever felt around Maharishi. That is, occasionally some cheap flash, but never any energy that I personally would associate with enlightenment. Your mileage may vary... A lot of these gurus prep before doing a public appearance by doing extra meditation. That way they emanate more shakti during the performance. I prefer to know them in their day-to-day mode without the special prep. :) That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Where was that? MMY asked Matananda Mai to go to Europe with him once, but she declined. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Ananda Moyi Ma? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone? on 7/16/06 5:34 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:noozguru%40earthlink.net wrote: snip That being said the woman saint that Maharishi brought with him to my TTC glowed like a light bulb. A sight I will never forget and have not seen since. Ananda Moyi Ma? I dont think she ever left India. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFLMAO ! ! ! This study, conducted by pro-SSRS people states that Ravi Shankar's technique is quote: inferior to electroconvulsive therapy. It also was less effective than a pharmaceutical drug. No better than a placebo. http://www.aolresearch.org/pdf/Janakiramaiah%20et%20al%202000.pdf Next Dr. Pete will be saying that how do I know Electro-Convulsive therapy is no good if I haven't tried it, and that I shouldn't be so closed minded and go ahead and try it just because a bunch of loonies did. OffWorld Not quite what the sudy concludes, quoting it, Within the limitations of the design (lack of double blind conditions), it can be concluded that, although inferior to ECT, SKY [Sudharshan Kriya Yoga] can be a potential alternative to drugs in melancholia as a first line treatment. But it would be rather fascinating to see which method would be more effective for you (and the manifestation of your issues): SKY, ECT, medication. Perhaps a cocktail -- all three will be required to get an effective result. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: ROFLMAO ! ! ! This study, conducted by pro-SSRS people states that Ravi Shankar's technique is quote: inferior to electroconvulsive therapy. It also was less effective than a pharmaceutical drug. No better than a placebo. http://www.aolresearch.org/pdf/Janakiramaiah%20et%20al%202000.pdf Next Dr. Pete will be saying that how do I know Electro- Convulsive therapy is no good if I haven't tried it, and that I shouldn't be so closed minded and go ahead and try it just because a bunch of loonies did. OffWorld Not quite what the sudy concludes, quoting it, Within the limitations of the design (lack of double blind conditions), it can be concluded that, although inferior to ECT, SKY [Sudharshan Kriya Yoga] can be a potential alternative to drugs in melancholia as a first line treatment. But it would be rather fascinating to see which method would be more effective for you (and the manifestation of your issues): SKY, ECT, medication. Perhaps a cocktail -- all three will be required to get an effective result. :). Get off the bottle, you cannot read properly. The study concludes Ravi Shankar's technique is quote, inferior to electroconvulsive therapy. Lol, what a joke. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ROFLMAO ! ! ! This study, conducted by pro-SSRS people states that Ravi Shankar's technique is quote: inferior to electroconvulsive therapy. It also was less effective than a pharmaceutical drug. No better than a placebo. http://www.aolresearch.org/pdf/Janakiramaiah%20et%20al%202000.pdf Next Dr. Pete will be saying that how do I know Electro-Convulsive therapy is no good if I haven't tried it, and that I shouldn't be so closed minded and go ahead and try it just because a bunch of loonies did. OffWorld Btw, aside from this study, that found, Within the limitations of the design (lack of double blind conditions), it can be concluded that, although inferior to ECT, SKY [Sudharshan Kriya Yoga] can be a potential alternative to drugs in melancholia as a first line treatment. how did you like the results of the other studies? (I would be shocked if you cherry-picked only the studies that correleated a bit with you pre-conceptions.) http://www.artofliving.org/apex/r-EEGPaper.pdf ELECTROPHYSIOLOGICAL EVALUATION OF SUDARSHAN KRIYA; The increased alpha activity documented among SK practioners in this study suggests a state of increased calm and relaxation, which persisted even outside the practice of SK. Increased beta activity, suggesting better concentration or a state of heightened awareness , was also observed among SK practitioners Quite strikingly, the increased beta and alpha were experienced simultaneously, suggesting that SK practitioners simultaneously experience a state of increased calm and better concentration and mental focus awareness. http://www.aolresearch.org/pdf/Flowcyt%20study.Satya%20Das.pdf Subset And Natural Killer Cells in Peripheral Blood of Art of Living Teachers In the present study total T-cells and its T-helper subset were significantly higher in AOL teachers and normal controls as compared to cancer patients. However, no significant difference occurs in these cells between AOL teachers and normal subjects. A significant difference was found in NK cells that was significantly higher (p.0001) in AOL teachers as compared to normal and cancer patients. No significant difference was seen in NK cell population between normal subjects and cancer patients. Since other factors are same in normal subjects and AOL teachers the higher NK cells in AOL teachers could be attributed to the practice of AOL (Sudarshan Kriya). Sudarshan Kriya Yogic Breathing in the Treatment of Stress, Anxiety, and Depression: Part INeurophysiologic Model http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/acm.2005.11.189?cookieSet=1journal\ Code=acm Richard P. Brown, M.D. Columbia College of Physicians and Surgeons, New York, NY. Patricia L. Gerbarg, M.D. New York Medical Center, Valhalla, NY. Mindbody interventions are beneficial in stress-related mental and physical disorders. Current research is finding associations between emotional disorders and vagal tone as indicated by heart rate variability. A neurophysiologic model of yogic breathing proposes to integrate research on yoga with polyvagal theory, vagal stimulation, hyperventilation, and clinical observations. Yogic breathing is a unique method for balancing the autonomic nervous system and influencing psychologic and stress-related disorders. Many studies demonstrate effects of yogic breathing on brain function and physiologic parameters, but the mechanisms have not been clarified. Sudarshan Kriya yoga (SKY), a sequence of specific breathing techniques (ujjayi, bhastrika, and Sudarshan Kriya) can alleviate anxiety, depression, everyday stress, post-traumatic stress, and stress-related medical illnesses. Mechanisms contributing to a state of calm alertness include increased parasympathetic drive, calming of stress response systems, neuroendocrine release of hormones, and thalamic generators. This model has heuristic value, research implications, and clinical applications. Sudarshan Kriya Yogic Breathing in the Treatment of Stress, Anxiety, and Depression: Part IIClinical Applications and Guidelines http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/acm.2005.11.711?journalCode=acm Yogic breathing is a unique method for balancing the autonomic nervous system and influencing psychologic and stress-related disorders. Part I of this series presented a neurophysiologic theory of the effects of Sudarshan Kriya Yoga (SKY). Part II will review clinical studies, our own clinical observations, and guidelines for the safe and effective use of yoga breath techniques in a wide range of clinical conditions. Although more clinical studies are needed to document the benefits of programs that combine pranayama (yogic breathing) asanas (yoga postures), and meditation, there is sufficient evidence to consider Sudarshan Kriya Yoga to be a beneficial, low-risk, low-cost adjunct to the treatment of stress, anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: ROFLMAO ! ! ! This study, conducted by pro-SSRS people states that Ravi Shankar's technique is quote: inferior to electroconvulsive therapy. It also was less effective than a pharmaceutical drug. No better than a placebo. http://www.aolresearch.org/pdf/Janakiramaiah%20et%20al%202000.pdf Next Dr. Pete will be saying that how do I know Electro-Convulsive therapy is no good if I haven't tried it, and that I shouldn't be so closed minded and go ahead and try it just because a bunch of loonies did. Not quite what the study concludes, quoting it, Within the limitations of the design (lack of double blind conditions), it can be concluded that, although inferior to ECT, SKY [Sudharshan Kriya Yoga] can be a potential alternative to drugs in melancholia as a first line treatment. Actually ECT and hard-core psychiatric drugs have been shown to be more effective than TM for severe depression and behavioral problems. Not only more effective than, but actually required to subdue and quell the problematic effects of TM practice and/or long rounding for some. I know personally of at least one ECT case. 1972, a woman from a prominent DC family, brother (and she) were teachers, required ECT for severe depression and other problems. (Rick may remember her.) TM was not effective in treating the problems, and its practice may hve exacerbated them, and even casued them. I have second-hand knowledge of a number or similar cases where TM teachers, MIU students, or long-term meditators required institutionalization -- or in some sad cases, committed suicide to end the problems TM could not (and may have exacerbated). As far as drugs, I recall Dr Elliot regularly use Thorizine (sp), the same drug used to calm really bad LSD experiences, to calm flipped-out rounders on TTCs. Something TM could not cure. And in these cases, did exacerbate. TMO policy even openly acknowledges, by implication, that it is ineffective in curing things treated by a therapist. Thus the ban on people who have seen a therapist to go on sidhis or TTC courses. Even going to a marriage counselor was grounds for rejection to courses. Thus by implication, TM was deemed by its own leaders as ineffective in treating even minor porblems. (In fact, going to a marriage counselor may be a sign of health.) (That was the policy in the 70's, I am not sure of current status. Possibly its even now stricter) So its not surprising that SKY was not as effective, but nearly so, ast ECT in treating severe depression. Possibly the lesser side effects, presumably, of SKY -- releative to ECT -- might make it a worthy treatment option. Have any studies been done comparing TM and ECT? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bigsnip how did you like the results of the other studies? .) http://www.artofliving.org/apex/r-EEGPaper.pdf ELECTROPHYSIOLOGICAL EVALUATION OF SUDARSHAN KRIYA; Interesting. It is not published, so non-one in the world of science will take any notice, but it does show that that one can become calm. Better than a slap in the belly with a wet fish I suppose, but not significant results. However, I ABSOLUTELY do not rule out the possibility of published positive (or negative) results in the future for SSRS. But so far...close, but no cigar. http://www.aolresearch.org/pdf/Flowcyt%20study.Satya%20Das.pdf Subset And Natural Killer Cells in Peripheral Blood of Art of Living Teachers Interesting, but unpublished. If this was a study on TM, unpublished, or even published, the TM- exers here would blast it with all the negativity you can muster. The rest of the studies seem to be also unpublished. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- See what's inside the new Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/2pRQfA/bOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: bigsnip how did you like the results of the other studies? .) The rest of the studies seem to be also unpublished. um check again. Journal of Alternative and Compimentary Medicine Sudarshan Kriya Yogic Breathing in the Treatment of Stress, Anxiety, and Depression: Part IIClinical Applications and Guidelines http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/abs/10.1089/acm.2005.11.711?journalCode=acm Yogic breathing is a unique method for balancing the autonomic nervous system and influencing psychologic and stress-related disorders. Part I of this series presented a neurophysiologic theory of the effects of Sudarshan Kriya Yoga (SKY). Part II will review clinical studies, our own clinical observations, and guidelines for the safe and effective use of yoga breath techniques in a wide range of clinical conditions. Although more clinical studies are needed to document the benefits of programs that combine pranayama (yogic breathing) asanas (yoga postures), and meditation, there is sufficient evidence to consider Sudarshan Kriya Yoga to be a beneficial, low-risk, low-cost adjunct to the treatment of stress, anxiety, post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), depression, stress-related medical illnesses, substance abuse, and rehabilitation of criminal offenders. SKY has been used as a public health intervention to alleviate PTSD in survivors of mass disasters. Yoga techniques enhance well-being, mood, attention, mental focus, and stress tolerance. Proper training by a skilled teacher and a 30-minute practice every day will maximize the benefits. Health care providers play a crucial role in encouraging patients to maintain their yoga practices. http://www.aolresearch.org/pdf/Janakiramaiah%20et%20al%202000.pdf Antidepressant efficacy of Sudarshan Kriya Yoga (SKY) in melancholia: a randomized comparison Background: Sudarshan Kriya Yoga (SKY) is a procedure that involves essentially rhythmic hyperventilation at different rates of breathing. The antidepressant efficacy of SKY was demonstrated in dysthymia in a prospective, open clinical trial. This study compared the relative antidepressant efficacy of SKY in melancholia with two of the current standard treatments, electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) and imipramine (IMN). Methods: Consenting, untreated melancholic depressives (n545) were hospitalized and randomized equally into three treatment groups. They were assessed at recruitment and weekly thereafter for four weeks. Results: Significant reductions in the total scores on Beck Depression Inventory (BDI) and Hamilton Rating Scale for Depression (HRSD) occurred on successive occasions in all three groups. The groups, however, did not differ. Significant interaction between the groups and occasion of assessment occurred. At week three, the SKY group had higher scores than the ECT group but was not different from the IMN group. Remission (total HRSD score of seven or less) rates at the end of the trial were 93, 73 and 67% in the ECT, IMN and SKY groups, respectively. No clinically significant side effects were observed. Discussion: Within the limitations of the design (lack of double blind conditions), it can be concluded that, although inferior to ECT, SKY can be a potential alternative to drugs in melancholia as a first line treatment. Ó 2000 Elsevier Science B.V. All rights reserved. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: bigsnip how did you like the results of the other studies? .) The rest of the studies seem to be also unpublished. um check again. Journal of Alternative and Compimentary Medicine Journals of alternative medicine are not taken seriously by anyone in the science world. Nice try, but no cigar. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: bigsnip how did you like the results of the other studies? .) The rest of the studies seem to be also unpublished. um check again. Journal of Alternative and Compimentary Medicine Journals of alternative medicine are not taken seriously by anyone in the science world. Nice try, but no cigar. Are you under the delusion that this is a competition? That I am pimping a particular technique? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: ROFLMAO ! ! ! This study, conducted by pro-SSRS people states that Ravi Shankar's technique is quote: inferior to electroconvulsive therapy. It also was less effective than a pharmaceutical drug. No better than a placebo. http://www.aolresearch.org/pdf/Janakiramaiah%20et%20al% 202000.pdf Next Dr. Pete will be saying that how do I know Electro- Convulsive therapy is no good if I haven't tried it, and that I shouldn't be so closed minded and go ahead and try it just because a bunch of loonies did. Not quite what the study concludes, quoting it, Within the limitations of the design (lack of double blind conditions), it can be concluded that, although inferior to ECT, SKY [Sudharshan Kriya Yoga] can be a potential alternative to drugs in melancholia as a first line treatment. Actually ECT and hard-core psychiatric drugs have been shown to be more effective than TM for severe depression and behavioral problems. Not only more effective than, but actually required to subdue and quell the problematic effects of TM practice and/or long rounding for some. I know personally of at least one ECT case. 1972, a woman from a prominent DC family, brother (and she) were teachers, required ECT for severe depression and other problems. (Rick may remember her.) TM was not effective in treating the problems, and its practice may hve exacerbated them, and even casued them. I have second-hand knowledge of a number or similar cases where TM teachers, MIU students, or long-term meditators required institutionalization -- or in some sad cases, committed suicide to end the problems TM could not (and may have exacerbated). As far as drugs, I recall Dr Elliot regularly use Thorizine (sp), the same drug used to calm really bad LSD experiences, to calm flipped- out rounders on TTCs. Something TM could not cure. And in these cases, did exacerbate. TMO policy even openly acknowledges, by implication, that it is ineffective in curing things treated by a therapist. Thus the ban on people who have seen a therapist to go on sidhis or TTC courses. Even going to a marriage counselor was grounds for rejection to courses. Thus by implication, TM was deemed by its own leaders as ineffective in treating even minor porblems. (In fact, going to a marriage counselor may be a sign of health.) (That was the policy in the 70's, I am not sure of current status. Possibly its even now stricter) So its not surprising that SKY was not as effective, but nearly so, ast ECT in treating severe depression. Possibly the lesser side effects, presumably, of SKY -- releative to ECT -- might make it a worthy treatment option. Have any studies been done comparing TM and ECT? * Very funny! Have you done any stand-up comedy gigs? The fact is that unstable and highly-stressed people can only do a little TM, maybe only ten minutes twice a day, and not in a group where the effects are amplified (this is why people in therapy were barred from courses). This does not mean that TM is no good, but rather that it is a powerful meditation technique that quickly introduces one to the deeper levels of the self, which naturally causes normalization of the system (similar to the release of stress seen in dreaming, which is enabled by the body's reaching deep stages of sleep). Just meeting an enlightened soul (which is very similar to meeting one's own self diving deep in TM) causes this process of normalization/unstressing, and people who experience this may, in their confusion, attribute the fault to the enlightened soul (just as some blame TM for their problems). One of the more confused unstressors is Prof. Kai Druhl, who says that meeting Maharishi caused Druhl to experience demonic oppression, but it's really just the same phenomenon that highly-stressed people like Druhl (who thinks he's a Christian) experienced when they met Jesus (who was accused of being demon-possessed by many ignorant people who were unable to bear His enlightening presence): http://tinyurl.com/ktr4l Druhl's account: http://www.thetruelight.net/personalstories/kaidruhl.htm Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@ wrote: ROFLMAO ! ! ! This study, conducted by pro-SSRS people states that Ravi Shankar's technique is quote: inferior to electroconvulsive therapy. It also was less effective than a pharmaceutical drug. No better than a placebo. http://www.aolresearch.org/pdf/Janakiramaiah%20et%20al% 202000.pdf Next Dr. Pete will be saying that how do I know Electro- Convulsive therapy is no good if I haven't tried it, and that I shouldn't be so closed minded and go ahead and try it just because a bunch of loonies did. Not quite what the study concludes, quoting it, Within the limitations of the design (lack of double blind conditions), it can be concluded that, although inferior to ECT, SKY [Sudharshan Kriya Yoga] can be a potential alternative to drugs in melancholia as a first line treatment. Actually ECT and hard-core psychiatric drugs have been shown to be more effective than TM for severe depression and behavioral problems. Not only more effective than, but actually required to subdue and quell the problematic effects of TM practice and/or long rounding for some. I know personally of at least one ECT case. 1972, a woman from a prominent DC family, brother (and she) were teachers, required ECT for severe depression and other problems. (Rick may remember her.) TM was not effective in treating the problems, and its practice may hve exacerbated them, and even casued them. I have second-hand knowledge of a number or similar cases where TM teachers, MIU students, or long-term meditators required institutionalization -- or in some sad cases, committed suicide to end the problems TM could not (and may have exacerbated). As far as drugs, I recall Dr Elliot regularly use Thorizine (sp), the same drug used to calm really bad LSD experiences, to calm flipped- out rounders on TTCs. Something TM could not cure. And in these cases, did exacerbate. TMO policy even openly acknowledges, by implication, that it is ineffective in curing things treated by a therapist. Thus the ban on people who have seen a therapist to go on sidhis or TTC courses. Even going to a marriage counselor was grounds for rejection to courses. Thus by implication, TM was deemed by its own leaders as ineffective in treating even minor porblems. (In fact, going to a marriage counselor may be a sign of health.) (That was the policy in the 70's, I am not sure of current status. Possibly its even now stricter) So its not surprising that SKY was not as effective, but nearly so, ast ECT in treating severe depression. Possibly the lesser side effects, presumably, of SKY -- releative to ECT -- might make it a worthy treatment option. Have any studies been done comparing TM and ECT? * Very funny! Have you done any stand-up comedy gigs? The fact is that unstable and highly-stressed people can only do a little TM, maybe only ten minutes twice a day, and not in a group where the effects are amplified (this is why people in therapy were barred from courses). This does not mean that TM is no good, and I hope you are not implying that I stated or implied such but rather that it is a powerful meditation technique that quickly introduces one to the deeper levels of the self, which naturally causes normalization of the system (similar to the release of stress seen in dreaming, which is enabled by the body's reaching deep stages of sleep). But is unable to cure or heal certain maladies such as depression -- and long time meditators have had to revert to ECT. And apparently unable to cure or heal what ever it is that causes quite successful and accomplished couples to go to a marraige counselor and thus be banned from courses. Just meeting an enlightened soul (which is very similar to meeting one's own self diving deep in TM) causes this process of normalization/unstressing, and people who experience this may, in their confusion, attribute the fault to the enlightened soul (just as some blame TM for their problems). OK. Not exactly on point, but tangents are good. While not proceletizing for any method, I have not seen such cause problems in darshan around SSRS. Or Sri Kunyamari. Nor heard of such around Amma. Are you suggesting weaker people are/ were attracted to be around MMY when being in his presence was open. One of the more confused unstressors is Prof. Kai Druhl, who says that meeting Maharishi caused Druhl to experience demonic oppression, but it's really just the same phenomenon that highly-stressed
[FairfieldLife] Re: Electro-Convulsive therapy anyone?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just meeting an enlightened soul (which is very similar to meeting one's own self diving deep in TM) causes this process of normalization/unstressing, and people who experience this may, in their confusion, attribute the fault to the enlightened soul (just as some blame TM for their problems). OK. Not exactly on point, but tangents are good. While not proceletizing for any method, I have not seen such cause problems in darshan around SSRS. Or Sri Kunyamari. Nor heard of such around Amma. Are you suggesting weaker people are/ were attracted to be around MMY when being in his presence was open. No, I'm saying that highly-stressed people began to normalize/ unstress around MMY because he is enlightened. The darshan of the others you mention does not provoke this unstressing response because they do not produce the light which would create the reaction. One of the more confused unstressors is Prof. Kai Druhl, who says that meeting Maharishi caused Druhl to experience demonic oppression, but it's really just the same phenomenon that highly-stressed people like Druhl (who thinks he's a Christian) experienced when they met Jesus (who was accused of being demon-possessed by many ignorant people who were unable to bear His enlightening presence): http://tinyurl.com/ktr4l Druhl's account: http://www.thetruelight.net/personalstories/kaidruhl.htm Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante OK. Now back to the main point of my prior post, which you said was laughable, TM is unable to cure or heal certain maladies such as depression -- and long time meditators have had to revert to ECT. Depression is anything less than living the fullness of life, which is Bliss Consciousness. Mentally ill or highly stressed individuals simply need to be patient and stick with 10 minutes of TM, not in groups, and they will eventually be able to make faster progress towards Bliss. Saying that ECT has any significance is like saying that hitting somebody over the head with a hammer makes them forgot what they worried about. But as I began to notice in 1967, the organization is a bit wacky - - picture Nat Goldhaber in boxer shorts, at the front reception desk, yelling at someone (personal) on the phone, while people were showing up for initiations. And a 1001 such recollections over the years. As a a very sweet girl who devotely worked at the center in Asia I was teaching in said, TM is so so wonderful ... (you could see the bliss dripping off of her) ... but some of these things (policies) and the things some teachers do, are so wrong. The psychological profile of early adopters is different from that of late adopters, and in the case of a utopian-vision technique like TM, naturally the early adopters have been disproportionately crackpot. When TM becomes more mainstream, more ordinary and less- wacky people will be practicing TM and running the movement. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
