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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 I think he already is.

H...




 --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
  on 5/7/06 7:51 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
  
   Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU
   when I was there from '74 to '78. He was
  energetic,
   talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good,
   sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several
  years
   ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello.
  
  Maybe we should invite him into FFL. Whadya say
  Judy?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
 jpgillam@ wrote:
 
  --- authfriend wrote:
  
   --- Gillam wrote:

Consider this wrinkle: they didn't see the error in 
their judgment *until they had done TM for a while.* 
It's like, add perception of TM's shortcomings to the 
list of benefits engendered by TM. The irony is too delicious.
   
   But it's something of an infinite regress; they're
   still making an error of judgment in not seeing
   that TM made it possible for them to see their
   *original* error of judgment.
  
  Ha! Yeah, it goes on and on - if one takes this analysis 
  seriously. I'm doing it for amusement, so I cannot honestly 
  say what makes people fall in love with TM, then feel jilted
  when it appears to fail them.
 
 While I agree about the jilted thang, having
 lived with a control-freak harpy doesn't really
 have any cause-and-effect relationship to having
 later met a great woman, does it?

I don't think Patrick's theory necessarily includes
the second component of finding a new and better
technique/path, though.

One type of former-now-rabid-anti-TMer his theory
would *not* apply to, on the other hand, would be
those who move on to, say, fundamentalist
Christianity, or an allegiance to another equally
or even more flawed guru, or any other situation
in which they find themselves giving up their
autonomy. Some women get it together to leave
one abusive man only to move on to another one.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
 salsunshine@ 
   wrote:
   
We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson 
 (TV 
   talk 
show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, 
 now 
   a 
blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in 
  common, 
except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson 
 was 
   the one 
accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were 
   unfounded 
or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very 
   profound 
effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least 
   somewhat 
more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, 
 like 
Clinton
   
   Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded?
  
  Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s,
  perhance?
 
 No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were 
 unfounded?

Yes, you said that the first time. And I asked whether
you were on vacation on the moon back in the '90s.

 The ones regarding Monica?

Huh?? He *admitted* to those regarding Monica. Why
on earth would you ask whether those were unfounded?

 Kathleen Willey?
 
 Juanita Broderick?

Both of these were extremely dubious, as were the
supposed liaisons reported by the Arkansas state
troopers, not to mention the endless litanies
of accusations about murders and drug-running and
crooked business deals (remember Whitewater?) and
malfeasance in office.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
  salsunshine@ 
wrote:

 We're talking about two different people here, Tucker 
Carlson 
  (TV 
talk 
 show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center 
Chairman, 
  now 
a 
 blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in 
   common, 
 except that I thought they looked sort of similar. 
Carlson 
  was 
the one 
 accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they 
were 
unfounded 
 or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a 
very 
profound 
 effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at 
least 
somewhat 
 more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at 
others, 
  like 
 Clinton

Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded?
   
   Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s,
   perhance?
  
  
  
  No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were 
  unfounded?
 
 A endless host of financial allegations which cost american 
taxpayers
 millions of dollars and occupied huge amount of air time.
 That Gov Clinton was involved in the Ark. cocaine trade.
 That Gov. Clinton ordered the murder and cover up of 3 boys who
 supposedly found out about Clintons' involvement in illegal drugs.
 That Clintons were involved in murder and coverup of vince foster.
 A whole host of sexual allegations against hillary clinton.
 A whole host of criminal sexual allegations against bill clinton -
 (note, adultery for which he is guilty is not a crime).
 
 I could go on much more -- all of these were discussed in serious
 tones on all the major repub. outlets.


The question was in context of just the sexual allegations, not 
the other stuff (of which I know practically nothing).

Clinton lost his license to practise law regarding one of those 
allegations. When the poster says unfounded, I'm wondering: does 
she mean ALL the allegations are unfounded?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-08 Thread Patrick Gillam




Responses interleaved below.

--- authfriend wrote:

 --- TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  --- Gillam wrote:
   
   I recall a post at alt.meditation.transcendental years 
   ago by a guy who said he immersed himself in the 
   organization for 10 years in hopes of getting even 
   one of the advertised benefits. He moved to Fairfield 
   and did everything he was told to do *despite being 
   unable to attribute one benefit* to the practice. 
   Finally said, Enough!
   
   He said the practice was a sham. What I took away 
   was, it took him 10 years of TM to grow a spine.
  
  That's one very cause-and-effect way of looking
  at it. Here's another. Remember Dumbo? Dumbo
  was convinced that it was the magic feather 
  given to him by his guru that enabled him to fly,
  so he flew. As it turns out, the feather never
  did diddleysquat; the ability to fly was always
  present, just not realized.

Yes, of course. When I say the ex-TMer who took 
10 years to grow a spine could credit his growth 
to TM, I realize TM may have had nothing to do 
with his growth. But, on the other hand, TM *may* 
have helped, which is amusing to contemplate.

 Sometimes a cigar is
  just a cigar; sometimes someone waking up and
  realizing that the TM movement is not for them
  is just waking up and realizing that the TM
  movement is not for them. TM is not necessarily
  the cause of that revelation, no more than
  the battery was the cause of the battered
  wife finding a better life without an out-
  of-control husband.

Yes. Being dissatisfied with something, or its 
extreme case of hitting bottom, is a huge 
impetous to most of my growth. But I don't
credit suffering with getting me to give it up.

The nature of life is to grow, don't you know.
I'm going to seek more happiness regardless.
 
 I'm not sure Patrick was suggesting his theory
 applied in all cases. He was referring to one
 specific type of former TMer, the type who, after
 leaving the movement, spends a significant
 percentage of their time bashing it instead of
 just moving on.

It's been interesting to see the range of relationships 
people on this list have to TM:

 - I loved TM in the past and still do.
 - I was fanatical about TM in the past, but am 
 more practical about it today.
 - I loved TM at the time and am grateful for what it 
 brought, but I do something else now.
 - I loved TM delusionally; I feel I was scammed.
 - My dysfunctional attachment to the TM ideology has 
 been relocated to another ideology. (This reaction is 
 never articulated as such; it just appears to be so.)

And the list goes on.

What role does the practice of TM have in any of these 
progressions? Individuals would have to speak for 
themselves. And I'd love to hear from them. My 
conjectures are just play.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
  salsunshine@ 
wrote:

 We're talking about two different people here, Tucker 
Carlson 
  (TV 
talk 
 show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center 
Chairman, 
  now 
a 
 blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in 
   common, 
 except that I thought they looked sort of similar. 
Carlson 
  was 
the one 
 accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they 
were 
unfounded 
 or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a 
very 
profound 
 effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at 
least 
somewhat 
 more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at 
others, 
  like 
 Clinton

Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded?
   
   Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s,
   perhance?
  
  No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were 
  unfounded?
 
 Yes, you said that the first time. And I asked whether
 you were on vacation on the moon back in the '90s.
 
  The ones regarding Monica?
 
 Huh?? He *admitted* to those regarding Monica. Why
 on earth would you ask whether those were unfounded?
 
  Kathleen Willey?
  
  Juanita Broderick?
 
 Both of these were extremely dubious,



...as was the case of Lewinsky.

Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without that, 
people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly pointed 
out).

It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to 
accusations of rape by powerful men.

But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles Stein. 
I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their accusations 
was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator?






 as were the
 supposed liaisons reported by the Arkansas state
 troopers, not to mention the endless litanies
 of accusations about murders and drug-running and
 crooked business deals (remember Whitewater?) and
 malfeasance in office.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
   salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  We're talking about two different people here, Tucker 
 Carlson 
   (TV 
 talk 
  show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center 
 Chairman, 
   now 
 a 
  blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing 
in 
common, 
  except that I thought they looked sort of similar. 
 Carlson 
   was 
 the one 
  accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they 
 were 
 unfounded 
  or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a 
 very 
 profound 
  effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at 
 least 
 somewhat 
  more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at 
 others, 
   like 
  Clinton
 
 Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded?

Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s,
perhance?
   
   No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were 
   unfounded?
  
  Yes, you said that the first time. And I asked whether
  you were on vacation on the moon back in the '90s.
  
   The ones regarding Monica?
  
  Huh?? He *admitted* to those regarding Monica. Why
  on earth would you ask whether those were unfounded?
  
   Kathleen Willey?
   
   Juanita Broderick?
  
  Both of these were extremely dubious,
 
 ...as was the case of Lewinsky.
 
 Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without that, 
 people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly 
 pointed out).

Oh, some few would, no doubt. However, the *other*
evidence for the affair was overwhelming; the semen
stain, the absolute clincher, came almost as an
anticlimax (you should pardon the _expression_). And
there was virtually no evidence that could have been
used to argue the affair had *not* occurred.

In the cases of Willey and Broaddrick, the evidence
*for* the incidents was by no means overwhelming, and
there was a good deal of evidence to the contrary.
(Read The Hunting of the President sometime.)

 It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to 
 accusations of rape by powerful men.

It's often a tough call when there's no hard evidence,
because the men have very strong motivation to deny 
the charges, and the women may well have equally
strong motivations to make a false accusation. Not
to mention the significant gray area regarding what
does and does not constitute rape, including the issue
of consent.

 But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles Stein. 
 I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their accusations 
 was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator?

Um, let's see now, are you suggesting that Democrats
are more likely to disbelieve women's accusations against
powerful men than Republicans?

I'll be happy to respond to your question once you've
answered mine (my response would be the same whether
you answer yes or no; I'm just not positive you really
thought through what you said).










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
   shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  
   We're talking about two different people here, Tucker 
  Carlson 
(TV 
  talk 
   show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center 
  Chairman, 
now 
  a 
   blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely 
nothing 
 in 
 common, 
   except that I thought they looked sort of similar. 
  Carlson 
was 
  the one 
   accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, 
they 
  were 
  unfounded 
   or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have 
a 
  very 
  profound 
   effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at 
  least 
  somewhat 
   more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at 
  others, 
like 
   Clinton
  
  Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded?
 
 Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s,
 perhance?

No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton 
were 
unfounded?
   
   Yes, you said that the first time. And I asked whether
   you were on vacation on the moon back in the '90s.
   
The ones regarding Monica?
   
   Huh?? He *admitted* to those regarding Monica. Why
   on earth would you ask whether those were unfounded?
   
Kathleen Willey?

Juanita Broderick?
   
   Both of these were extremely dubious,
  
  ...as was the case of Lewinsky.
  
  Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without 
that, 
  people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly 
  pointed out).
 
 Oh, some few would, no doubt. However, the *other*
 evidence for the affair was overwhelming; the semen
 stain, the absolute clincher, came almost as an
 anticlimax (you should pardon the _expression_). And
 there was virtually no evidence that could have been
 used to argue the affair had *not* occurred.
 
 In the cases of Willey and Broaddrick, the evidence
 *for* the incidents was by no means overwhelming, and
 there was a good deal of evidence to the contrary.
 (Read The Hunting of the President sometime.)
 
  It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to 
  accusations of rape by powerful men.
 
 It's often a tough call when there's no hard evidence,
 because the men have very strong motivation to deny 
 the charges, and the women may well have equally
 strong motivations to make a false accusation. Not
 to mention the significant gray area regarding what
 does and does not constitute rape, including the issue
 of consent.
 
  But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles 
Stein. 
  I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their 
accusations 
  was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator?
 
 Um, let's see now, are you suggesting that Democrats
 are more likely to disbelieve women's accusations against
 powerful men than Republicans?



No, I'm suggesting that biased Democrats such as yourself are more 
likely to disbelieve women's accusations against powerful Democrats 
than powerful Republicans.


 
 I'll be happy to respond to your question once you've
 answered mine (my response would be the same whether
 you answer yes or no; I'm just not positive you really
 thought through what you said).



Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support racist 
Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr. and former KKKer Robert Byrd leaves 
little doubt about where you stand when it comes to defending 
Democrats.















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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support racist 
 Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr.

As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist,
to the contrary.

Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with
the discussion.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-08 Thread TurquoiseB




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes. Being dissatisfied with something, or its 
 extreme case of hitting bottom, is a huge 
 impetous to most of my growth. But I don't
 credit suffering with getting me to give it up.
 
 The nature of life is to grow, don't you know.
 I'm going to seek more happiness regardless.

Well said. From wonder into wonder life will open,
asid the Tao te Ching. 

Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It
appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings.
The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a 
crow alights on a branch on the tree in front
of him. Immediately afterwards, a coconut falls
from a branch on the other side of the tree.

Now, was there a cause and effect relationship
between the crow landing on a branch over here
and the coconut falling off another branch over
there? Well, there may be or there may not be.
We will never know. We can only make up stories
about either the connection between these two
events and hope that the stories inspire us.

Life just expands. Spending a lot of time assign-
ing a cause to those moments in which expands
a great deal seems to me like a waste of time.
Better to just surf the wave of expansion.












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-08 Thread TurquoiseB




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes. Being dissatisfied with something, or its
 extreme case of hitting bottom, is a huge
 impetous to most of my growth. But I don't
 credit suffering with getting me to give it up.

 The nature of life is to grow, don't you know.
 I'm going to seek more happiness regardless.

Well said. From wonder into wonder life will open,
asid the Tao te Ching.

Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It
appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings.
The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a
crow alights on a branch on the tree in front
of him. Immediately afterwards, a coconut falls
from a branch on the other side of the tree.

Now, was there a cause and effect relationship
between the crow landing on a branch over here
and the coconut falling off another branch over
there? Well, there may be or there may not be.
We will never know. We can only make up stories
about either the connection between these two
events or the lack of any such connection and 
hope that the stories inspire us.

Life just expands. Spending a lot of time assign-
ing a cause to those moments in which expands
a great deal seems to me like a waste of time.
Better to just surf the wave of expansion.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-08 Thread anonyff




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam
 jpgillam@ wrote:
 
  Yes. Being dissatisfied with something, or its
  extreme case of hitting bottom, is a huge
  impetous to most of my growth. But I don't
  credit suffering with getting me to give it up.
 
  The nature of life is to grow, don't you know.
  I'm going to seek more happiness regardless.
 
 Well said. From wonder into wonder life will open,
 asid the Tao te Ching.
 
 Ever heard the crow-and-the-coconut analogy? It
 appears in many Indian and Tibetan teachings.
 The seeker is hangin' out, just Being, and a
 crow alights on a branch on the tree in front
 of him. Immediately afterwards, a coconut falls
 from a branch on the other side of the tree.
 
 Now, was there a cause and effect relationship
 between the crow landing on a branch over here
 and the coconut falling off another branch over
 there? Well, there may be or there may not be.
 We will never know. We can only make up stories
 about either the connection between these two
 events or the lack of any such connection and 
 hope that the stories inspire us.
 
 Life just expands. Spending a lot of time assign-
 ing a cause to those moments in which expands
 a great deal seems to me like a waste of time.
 Better to just surf the wave of expansion.


Part of the problem I have with what I see as *reductionist*
conclusions, like the one above *...better to just surf the wave of
expansion... is it categorically disallows the possibility that some
people, maybe many people, actually enjoy the process of thinking
about and analyzing things. If you read a bit of ayurveda you learn
about the pitta mind v. the vata mind. If you ever read Dr. Bernard
Jensen, he talks about the calcium type who is not prone to deep
analysis (can't remember which of his types are the thinkers). It's an
individual thing, don't you think? For some analysis is serious, they
need to know. For those who see analysis as silly, it's...well...silly
and they cannot figure out why anyone would bother to try to figure it
out. 










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-08 Thread jim_flanegin




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

snip 
   Kathleen Willey?
   
   Juanita Broderick?
  
  Both of these were extremely dubious,
 
 
 
 ...as was the case of Lewinsky.
 
 Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without that, 
 people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly 
pointed 
 out).
 
 It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to 
 accusations of rape by powerful men.
 
 But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles 
Stein. 
 I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their 
accusations 
 was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator?
 

Clinton? Oh, you're talking about that guy who was president during 
the end of the last Millenium, before 
1) the doctrine of pre-emptive war, 
2) illegal eavesdropping, 
3) leaking of a CIA agent's identity for political gain, 
4) secret industry sessions to determine national policy, 
5) endemic corruption within the ruling party, 
6) a break with many international treaties, 
7) a broken economy, 
8) record deficits, 
9) etc. 

Now, uh, what did this guy Clinton who was president back then, have 
to do with any of this? (Oh, and if you're into ancient history, I 
heard that Thomas Jefferson fathered an illegitimate child, and that 
he was a Republican!!!...)

C'mon Republicans, as the phrase goes, own your own sh*t...It is 
really pathetic when you control the Supreme Court, the Senate, the 
House of Representatives, and the Presidency, and the country is now 
incredibly f*cked up, that you continue to point fingers at Clinton, 
and even Carter for goodness sake.

Hopefully the Democrats will win back both houses of Congress this 
Fall, if they are even capable of doing so, and then you can begin 
the self-righteous indignation again. Until then, please own your 
own sh*t...

Thanks. 









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 snip
  Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support racist 
  Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr.
 
 As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist,
 to the contrary.
 
 Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with
 the discussion.


There's no discussing with you, Judy, as you won't accept blatant 
evidence to the contrary.

Why go over it again?










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ wrote:
 
 snip 
Kathleen Willey?

Juanita Broderick?
   
   Both of these were extremely dubious,
  
  
  
  ...as was the case of Lewinsky.
  
  Except for one small detail: semen on a blue dress. Without 
that, 
  people would still be disbelieving her (as Linda Tripp aptly 
 pointed 
  out).
  
  It's funny how women are often never believed when it comes to 
  accusations of rape by powerful men.
  
  But then again we're dealing with Judy Democrats-uber-alles 
 Stein. 
  I wonder, Judy, what your position at the time of their 
 accusations 
  was regarding Clarence Thomas and that Oregon Senator?
  
 
 Clinton? Oh, you're talking about that guy who was president 
during 
 the end of the last Millenium, before 
 1) the doctrine of pre-emptive war, 
 2) illegal eavesdropping, 
 3) leaking of a CIA agent's identity for political gain, 
 4) secret industry sessions to determine national policy, 
 5) endemic corruption within the ruling party, 
 6) a break with many international treaties, 
 7) a broken economy, 
 8) record deficits, 
 9) etc. 
 
 Now, uh, what did this guy Clinton who was president back then, 
have 
 to do with any of this? (Oh, and if you're into ancient history, I 
 heard that Thomas Jefferson fathered an illegitimate child, and 
that 
 he was a Republican!!!...)
 
 C'mon Republicans, as the phrase goes, own your own sh*t...It is 
 really pathetic when you control the Supreme Court, the Senate, 
the 
 House of Representatives, and the Presidency, and the country is 
now 
 incredibly f*cked up, that you continue to point fingers at 
Clinton, 
 and even Carter for goodness sake.
 
 Hopefully the Democrats will win back both houses of Congress this 
 Fall, if they are even capable of doing so, and then you can begin 
 the self-righteous indignation again. Until then, please own your 
 own sh*t...
 
 Thanks.


How silly of all of you.

Thank God I'm neither a Republican OR a Democrat. A pox on all your 
houses.

I suggest you all go back and see what started this silly 
discussion: Sal made a comment which I asked her to clarify (that's 
all!) and all of you partisans went off the deep end.

Your lemming-like partisan natures got you all going off on tangents 
that had nothing to do with my original innocent question.

...culminating in this post about Bush. How hilarious.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  snip
   Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support racist 
   Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr.
  
  As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist,
  to the contrary.
  
  Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with
  the discussion.
 
 There's no discussing with you, Judy, as you won't accept blatant 
 evidence to the contrary.

As you know, Shemp, the evidence is all in the other
direction. The facts aren't at issue. The charge is
a right-wing smear (invented to damage Gore Jr.'s
presidential candidacy) with no basis in fact.



 
 Why go over it again?












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
snip
 I suggest you all go back and see what started this silly 
 discussion: Sal made a comment which I asked her to clarify (that's 
 all!) and all of you partisans went off the deep end.

The pretended need for clarification, Shemp, was in
itself partisan behavior on your part.










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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
 shempmcgurk@ 
   wrote:
   snip
Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support 
racist 
Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr.
   
   As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist,
   to the contrary.
   
   Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with
   the discussion.
  
  There's no discussing with you, Judy, as you won't accept 
blatant 
  evidence to the contrary.
 
 As you know, Shemp, the evidence is all in the other
 direction. The facts aren't at issue. The charge is
 a right-wing smear (invented to damage Gore Jr.'s
 presidential candidacy) with no basis in fact.



Sigh.

If anyone's interested, I'll be happy to provide you with facts. 
We've been over this at least 3 times both here and on a.m.t. and 
I'll be happy to provide the links so readers can decide for 
themselves.

I'm betting, though, that no one is interested.






 
 
 
  
  Why go over it again?
 











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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 snip
  I suggest you all go back and see what started this silly 
  discussion: Sal made a comment which I asked her to clarify 
(that's 
  all!) and all of you partisans went off the deep end.
 
 The pretended need for clarification, Shemp, was in
 itself partisan behavior on your part.


Partisan.

Sigh.

As I've stated -- and documented here -- many times, I'm a supporter 
of Clinton's.

And I'm a supporter precisely because of what many people would call 
his conservative voting record which, by the way, surpasses both 
Reagan and Bush II in terms of putting forward a conservative agenda.

That's why I laugh when you go to such great lengths defending the 
man: his public record on the big issues is pretty much 
diametrically opposed to everything you, Judy, stand for.










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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
shempmcgurk@ 
  wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
 wrote:
   
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
  shempmcgurk@ 
wrote:
snip
 Not much thought was needed. Your propensity to support 
 racist 
 Democrats such as Al Gore, Sr.

As you well know, Al Gore, Sr., was not a racist,
to the contrary.

Once you clean up that lie, we can continue with
the discussion.
   
   There's no discussing with you, Judy, as you won't accept 
 blatant 
   evidence to the contrary.
  
  As you know, Shemp, the evidence is all in the other
  direction. The facts aren't at issue. The charge is
  a right-wing smear (invented to damage Gore Jr.'s
  presidential candidacy) with no basis in fact.
 
 Sigh.
 
 If anyone's interested, I'll be happy to provide you with facts. 
 We've been over this at least 3 times both here and on a.m.t.

And each time you've been shown to be pushing a
smear you can't support.

 and 
 I'll be happy to provide the links so readers can decide for 
 themselves.
 
 I'm betting, though, that no one is interested.

Most people know your facts are crap, Shemp. They
know what the real facts are.










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?





On May 6, 2006, at 10:03 PM, bob_brigante wrote:

 Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair?

Not that I knew of. During his stint as TMO enforcer, I mean, Center 
Chairman, it was light to medium brown.

 That would certainly be a
 sign of high stress if his follicles changed color...







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread Peter




Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU
when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic,
talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good,
sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years
ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. 

--- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and
 Laura were a 
 perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last
 longer. Both were 
 nice-looking, made of steel, extremely
 materialistic, and absolutely 
 obsessed with the TMO.
 
 Sal
 
 
 On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced)
 wife Lauraï¿½s house 
  for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis
 used to sleepwalk all 
  over the house, sweeping things off tables and
 counters and cupboard 
  shelves, and generally making a racket. This was
 when he was still in 
  the movement.
 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread cardemaister




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 
 On May 6, 2006, at 10:03 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
 
  Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair?
 
 Not that I knew of. During his stint as TMO enforcer, I mean, Center 
 Chairman, it was light to medium brown.
 

Unfortunately, his blues feel a bit soulless!


  That would certainly be a
  sign of high stress if his follicles changed color...











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

No kidding--that's stealing.  Was it made out to you?  If so, depending on the amount (I think, or maybe that doesn't matter) that could be a major crime.

My crack came a few years later, when it became obvious that some of the 'elites' were treated much differently than everyone else, and usually acted accordingly, ie. like major jerks.

Sal


On May 6, 2006, at 10:20 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:

Sal, in 1977 when all the formerly active teachers were heading for
the hills, I took over a center and the outgoing teacher 'borrowed' my
paycheck from the mail, and managed to cash it and headed for the
hills. I was using it for center rent. That was the major crack in my
warm and fuzzy illusions. :)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




On May 6, 2006, at 11:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

 What makes someone right wing? 

Usually espousing right-wing viewpoints, and Tucker, from the several 
times I've watched him, seems to have or had many.

 Tucker Carlson is famously down on
 record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

He underwent some kind of transformation after he got accused of sexual 
shenanigans by someone.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

Yes, a street musician in Alexandria, VA.  

Sal

On May 6, 2006, at 11:36 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a musician? I missed something.
Does he have a web site?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

Yep, a study in contrasts for sure.  Almost like two different people.

Sal


On May 6, 2006, at 9:24 PM, authfriend wrote:

I suspect he's a person of extremes: from pro-TM
fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied
executive type to grubby street musician...and I'd
imagine he plays the latter role just as well and
enthusiastically as he did the former.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

Peter,
Yes, he had those qualities in DC too, for the most part.  But somewhere along the way he also picked up the role of TM enforcer, not a good fit for someone who still had a working brain.

Sal


On May 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Peter wrote:

Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU
when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic,
talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good,
sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years
ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread Rick Archer




on 5/7/06 7:51 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU
 when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic,
 talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good,
 sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years
 ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello.

Maybe we should invite him into FFL. Whadya say Judy?








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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 on 5/7/06 7:51 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU
  when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic,
  talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good,
  sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years
  ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello.
 
 Maybe we should invite him into FFL. Whadya say Judy?

Ah, jeez...










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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  
  On May 6, 2006, at 10:03 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
  
   Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair?
  
  Not that I knew of. During his stint as TMO enforcer, I mean, 
  Center Chairman, it was light to medium brown.
 
 Unfortunately, his blues feel a bit soulless!

Huh, that was my reaction too. I thought I might be
biased because he was such a horrendous pain on
alt.m.t, but maybe not.

His harmonica is awfully good, though.

And it could be he's more soulful in person...










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

When was he there?  Would the conversations still be in the archives?  Curious minds and all that.

Sal


On May 7, 2006, at 8:30 AM, authfriend wrote:

Huh, that was my reaction too.  I thought I might be
biased because he was such a horrendous pain on
alt.m.t, but maybe not.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 When was he there? Would the conversations still be in the
 archives? Curious minds and all that.

>From the beginning of February 1997 through the end of
November 1997. The Google archives are pretty complete,
so most everything should be there.

Here's the thread where he made his introductory post:

http://tinyurl.com/h4uh6

Scroll past the first post on inaugural ceremonies.

Unfortunately the *order* of posts in the thread is
screwed up; the first one of his you'll see is a 
response. Scroll down a bit further to find his
introductory post and the posts he's responding to.

This is just the first of many threads in which he
participated. I was amused to revisit it and see
how moderately and reasonably he presented himself
at first. As time went on, though, the picture
became rather different.

Curtis had a tendency throughout to make broad,
sweeping statements that he had trouble supporting
when he was asked for specifics. He seems to have
settled on an overall story in his mind that
justified his anti-TM stance, but the story itself
didn't relate all that closely to the mundane
reality.

Not that he didn't have some legitimate beefs, of
course; it's just that they didn't hang together
quite as well as he assumed they did. When the
various holes were pointed out to him, he had to
do some fast juggling to try to bridge the gaps,
and he didn't exactly always maintain the highest
standards of intellectual integrity in doing so
(IMHO).

Many of the posts in those threads are *very* long;
it'll take some patience to get through enough of
them to form a clear idea of what went on.



 
 On May 7, 2006, at 8:30 AM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Huh, that was my reaction too.  I thought I might be
  biased because he was such a horrendous pain on
  alt.m.t, but maybe not.











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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
snip
 Unfortunately the *order* of posts in the thread is
 screwed up; the first one of his you'll see is a 
 response. Scroll down a bit further to find his
 introductory post and the posts he's responding to.

Sorry, it's me who's screwed up. The first post after
the one on inaugural ceremonies is from John (now
Alex) Stanley, responding to Curtis's intro post,
which follows immediately. But the remainder of the
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

Thanks.  I'll go take a look.

Sal


On May 7, 2006, at 9:41 AM, authfriend wrote:

Here's the thread where he made his introductory post:

http://tinyurl.com/h4uh6

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread Alex Stanley




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 snip
  Unfortunately the *order* of posts in the thread is
  screwed up; the first one of his you'll see is a 
  response. Scroll down a bit further to find his
  introductory post and the posts he's responding to.
 
 Sorry, it's me who's screwed up. The first post after
 the one on inaugural ceremonies is from John (now
 Alex) Stanley, responding to Curtis's intro post,
 which follows immediately. But the remainder of the
 posts are not always in chronological order.

Wow... I cringe when I look back on my Usenet history. I was a raw
nerve, lashing out at the world.









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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ 
wrote:
  snip
   Unfortunately the *order* of posts in the thread is
   screwed up; the first one of his you'll see is a 
   response. Scroll down a bit further to find his
   introductory post and the posts he's responding to.
  
  Sorry, it's me who's screwed up. The first post after
  the one on inaugural ceremonies is from John (now
  Alex) Stanley, responding to Curtis's intro post,
  which follows immediately. But the remainder of the
  posts are not always in chronological order.
 
 Wow... I cringe when I look back on my Usenet history. I was a raw
 nerve, lashing out at the world.

You made a good point in that post, though.

You may have *felt* like a raw nerve, but your
posts usually didn't reflect anything of the sort,
at least as I recall.











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 Thanks. I'll go take a look.

FYI, you'll probably run across a number of posts
that refer to Andrew. That's Andrew Skolnick,
who wrote the muck-raking, exceptionally misleading
article about TM and Maharishi Ayur-Veda for the
Journal of the American Medical Association back
in 1989 (I think it was). He was a regular
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  Here's the thread where he made his introductory post:
 
  http://tinyurl.com/h4uh6












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread markmeredith2002




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Peter,
 Yes, he had those qualities in DC too, for the most part. But 
 somewhere along the way he also picked up the role of TM enforcer, not 
 a good fit for someone who still had a working brain.
 
 Sal

He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a
course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at
that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word
she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course
(this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program
though there was no official policy on it). Probably just following
instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my
deepest TB days.


 On May 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Peter wrote:
 
  Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU
  when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic,
  talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good,
  sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years
  ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. 











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt? sorry, mistake

2006-05-07 Thread markmeredith2002




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002
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SORRY, just realized I'm thinking of a different guy than the subject
of this thread. Similar name but not the same

 
 He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a
 course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at
 that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word
 she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course
 (this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program
 though there was no official policy on it). Probably just following
 instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my
 deepest TB days.
 
 
  On May 7, 2006, at 7:51 AM, Peter wrote:
  
   Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU
   when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic,
   talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good,
   sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years
   ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. 
 











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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

I took many courses and practically lived there for over a year, so I remember the location well, and 10:30 at night was not a time you wanted to be outside if you could help it.

Seems to me that could have been potentially actionable for a number of reasons.

Sal


On May 7, 2006, at 12:54 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote:

He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a
course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at
that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word
she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course
(this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program
though there was no official policy on it).  Probably just following
instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my
deepest TB days.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt? sorry, mistake

Curtis MacDonald, perhaps?  I wondered about that, because Curtis Mailloux as far as I know didn't work at CNL, but MacDonald did, for a number of years.

Sal


On May 7, 2006, at 1:01 PM, markmeredith2002 wrote:

SORRY, just realized I'm thinking of a different guy than the subject
of this thread.  Similar name but not the same

> 
> He threw one of our local center's citizen sidhas, a lady, off a
> course and onto the streets of downtown DC, outside the CNL which at
> that time was a bad location, at 10:30 pm after someone there got word
> she had visited a jyotishi while in India on the vedic science course
> (this was when jyotishis were apparently considered off the program
> though there was no official policy on it).  Probably just following
> instructions from on high, but I never would have done that even in my
> deepest TB days.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread shempmcgurk




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 On May 6, 2006, at 11:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  What makes someone right wing? 
 
 Usually espousing right-wing viewpoints, and Tucker, from the 
several 
 times I've watched him, seems to have or had many.
 
  Tucker Carlson is famously down on
  record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
 
 He underwent some kind of transformation after he got accused of 
sexual 
 shenanigans by someone.




An accusation that was completely unfounded. As I recall, a woman 
accused him of having sexual dalliances with him over several years 
in a city in which Carlson had never even visited.





 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread mainstream20016




Curtis is an open-guitar-case on-the-sidewalk one man band Blues Musician ? I must 
wish him well, wish him well. This is very entertaining news, although it will take me 
awhile to buy into the blues thing, as Curtis is very unlikely to have the real blues. His 
latest incarnation is probably the best vehicle for his excellent public presentation talent. 

Always loved him (even after I was rejected for TTC while he was chairman of the Leroy 
Pl. DC TM Center !). Several years later, I, too, received a call from him. It was in 90 or 91 
- he invited me to meet with him and TM-EXers. I politely declined, but refrained from 
asking him the question I have had all these years for the TM EXers. If I realized I had 
been 'had' by the movement, wouldn't I want to admit to myself a mistake on my part, and 
move on with my life and minimize drawing attention to my faulty judgment? I think that 
by protesting the movement, Xers were vulnerable to the criticism that prior to 
victimization they had abandoned better thinking and placed themselves in a position to 
be disappointed or taken advantage of. 
 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU
 when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic,
 talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good,
 sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years
 ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. 
 
 --- Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and
  Laura were a 
  perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last
  longer. Both were 
  nice-looking, made of steel, extremely
  materialistic, and absolutely 
  obsessed with the TMO.
  
  Sal
  
  
  On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
  
   My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced)
  wife Lauraï¿½s house 
   for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis
  used to sleepwalk all 
   over the house, sweeping things off tables and
  counters and cupboard 
   shelves, and generally making a racket. This was
  when he was still in 
   the movement.
  
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread TurquoiseB




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
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 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  He underwent some kind of transformation after he got 
  accused of sexual shenanigans by someone.
 
 An accusation that was completely unfounded. As I recall, 
 a woman accused him of having sexual dalliances with him 
 over several years in a city in which Carlson had never 
 even visited.

Given the pronoun usage above, it sounds as if Curtis
is not the only one who had some kind of transformation.

She starts out as a woman, and later accuses Curtis with
having sexual dalliances with *him*. Curious minds want
to know: are we talking sex change here, or did you just
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Curtis is an open-guitar-case on-the-sidewalk one man band Blues 
Musician ? I must 
 wish him well, wish him well. This is very entertaining news, 
although it will take me 
 awhile to buy into the blues thing, as Curtis is very unlikely to 
have the real blues. His 
 latest incarnation is probably the best vehicle for his excellent 
public presentation talent.

Check out his Web site, www.curtisblues.com.

I'm not sure I could tell the difference between
honest-to-God blues and a really good imitation,
but I wouldn't be surprised if Curtis was doing
the latter.

I'd be very interested to know your opinion after
you've heard him. Here's the Web page for his CD:

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues 

 Always loved him (even after I was rejected for TTC while he was 
chairman of the Leroy 
 Pl. DC TM Center !). Several years later, I, too, received a call 
from him. It was in 90 or 91 
 - he invited me to meet with him and TM-EXers.

Was this while you were still with the movement, or
after you'd left? (Or haven't you left?)

Many years ago, I got an email from a TM-Exer after
I'd left a post concerning TM on some forum (before
I'd ever joined alt.m.t, probably around the same
time Curtis contacted you), asking if he could call me
to talk about TM. I was curious as to what he was up
to, so I agreed. He sent me a bunch of materials to
read in preparation.

The materials and the call were pretty much what 
you'd expect. He tried hard, but I wasn't buying.

I've long since forgotten his name, but I'd love to
know, since I later got to know a bunch of the 
TM-Exers later on alt.m.t. It's the only instance
I know about of their doing outreach to somebody
who was an active, committed TMer.

 I politely declined, but refrained from 
 asking him the question I have had all these years for the TM 
 EXers. If I realized I had been 'had' by the movement, wouldn't I 
 want to admit to myself a mistake on my part, and move on with my 
 life and minimize drawing attention to my faulty judgment? I think 
 that by protesting the movement, Xers were vulnerable to the 
 criticism that prior to victimization they had abandoned better 
 thinking and placed themselves in a position to be disappointed or 
 taken advantage of.

Ah, but that would be blaming the victim, you see.

In my experience, most former-now-anti-TMers will, if
pressed, admit to a degree of responsibility, but the
real blame is reserved for the TMO. They claim that
they protest the movement because they want to save
others from the same fate.



 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote:
 
  Well. I like Curtis quite a bit. I knew him at MIU
  when I was there from '74 to '78. He was energetic,
  talkative, and enthusiastic. An all around good,
  sattvic guy. Right after I joinned FFL several years
  ago he contacted my just to give a friendly hello. 
  
  --- Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote:
  
   Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and
   Laura were a 
   perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last
   longer. Both were 
   nice-looking, made of steel, extremely
   materialistic, and absolutely 
   obsessed with the TMO.
   
   Sal
   
   
   On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
   
My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced)
   wife Lauraï¿½s house 
for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis
   used to sleepwalk all 
over the house, sweeping things off tables and
   counters and cupboard 
shelves, and generally making a racket. This was
   when he was still in 
the movement.
   
  
  
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  On May 6, 2006, at 11:08 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
snip
   Tucker Carlson is famously down on
   record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
  
  He underwent some kind of transformation after he got accused of 
  sexual shenanigans by someone.
 
 An accusation that was completely unfounded. As I recall, a woman 
 accused him of having sexual dalliances with him over several years 
 in a city in which Carlson had never even visited.

>From an interview with Bill Hemmer of CNN right
before Carlson's book was published (which contains
an account of the accusation):


HEMMER: A serious topic here. Really interesting to hear the way you 
write about this episode. What happened when this woman came forward 
out of Kentucky and accused you of something quite severe?

CARLSON: Well, I got off the air one night off of CROSSFIRE, and 
someone handed me my mail. And there was a letter from an attorney in 
Indiana named Matt Blanton (ph), and it said, my client says that she 
has been raped by you and is filing -- going to go to the D.A. in 
Louisville, Kentucky and is going to have felony sexual assault 
charges filed against you. Should you have any questions or concerns, 
please feel free to call me. 

And I did, in fact, have questions or concerns. I had never been to 
Louisville, Kentucky. I had never heard of the woman in question. And 
so, I got an attorney and got to the bottom of it. 

But in the meantime, the first night I actually woke up at 3:00 in 
the morning sort of thinking that, you know, maybe I had a brain 
tumor or something. You know, maybe I had done some horrible crime 
and not been aware of it, because I was so convinced just from years 
of being in and around journalism that everybody accused of a sex 
crime, if not absolutely guilty, is in some way guilty. You know, 
maybe you didn't rape her, but you definitely had something to do 
with her. I mean, it's sort of axiomatic, as you know, among 
journalists that you're never completely innocent, but I was.

HEMMER: So, you said you would wake up in the middle of the night and 
give this thing a lot of thought. If you had never been to 
Louisville, did not recall the name, why would you even go down the 
road that led you to think and believe that maybe it was -- there was 
a glimmer of truth in it? 

CARLSON: Well, I didn't really believe I had done it, but it was just 
so baffling, because I had been, on a subconscious level, absolutely 
convinced that, again, people don't get accused of things they have 
no connection to. Right? There is always a sliver of truth in every 
accusation. No one is completely innocent. Of course, it turns out 
that people sometimes are completely innocent, like me in this case.

HEMMER: Yes, so you lived this down in the end, correct? How did it 
this...

(CROSSTALK)

CARLSON: I did live it down. I mean, ultimately, you know, I hired a 
wonderful lawyer, Bob Bennett (ph), in Washington, and ended up 
taking the polygraph exam from the former chief examiner at the FBI, 
and found out that the woman who accused me, though she was a CPA and 
a pillar of the community...

HEMMER: Yes.

CARLSON: ... where she lived, had mental problems and was in fact 
just, you know, a delusional viewer of the show and had convinced 
herself that I had committed this terrible crime. Ultimately, no 
charges were filed, and it didn't become public.

HEMMER: Yes.

CARLSON: So, I didn't have to, you know...

HEMMER: So, you spend the legal fees, about 14 grand. You take a lie 
detector test. You live it down. It's behind you right now. You 
touched on it earlier. Why do you feel compelled to come public and 
tell this story?

CARLSON: Well, I'll tell you exactly why. It's what I said a moment 
ago. You know, it's one of the biases I think that journalists have, 
and most of the time it's unconscious. It's not -- they don't know 
that they have the bias. 

Gary Condit is a great example. Virtually everyone I knew in covering 
that story believed, you know, people say, you know, he killed his 
girlfriend. That's what people are whispering. Yes, he probably did. 
He probably had something to do with it, because the accusation is 
out there and you just assume that there is always an element of 
truth to every accusation. 

And, again, sometimes there isn't, and it's really important to open 
yourself up to the possibility that sometimes people are just 
completely falsely accused. It's rare, but it does happen. It was 
really an education for me.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread Patrick Gillam




--- mainstream20016 wrote:

 Curtis is an open-guitar-case on-the-sidewalk one man band Blues Musician ? 

The term is busking; Mr. Mailloux is a busker.

 by protesting the movement, Xers were vulnerable 
 to the criticism that prior to victimization they had 
 abandoned better thinking and placed themselves 
 in a position to be disappointed or taken advantage of. 

Consider this wrinkle: they didn't see the error in 
their judgment *until they had done TM for a while.* 
It's like, add perception of TM's shortcomings to the 
list of benefits engendered by TM. The irony is too delicious.

I recall a post at alt.meditation.transcendental years 
ago by a guy who said he immersed himself in the 
organization for 10 years in hopes of getting even 
one of the advertised benefits. He moved to Fairfield 
and did everything he was told to do *despite being 
unable to attribute one benefit* to the practice. 
Finally said, Enough!

He said the practice was a sham. What I took away 
was, it took him 10 years of TM to grow a spine.









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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- mainstream20016 wrote:
 
  Curtis is an open-guitar-case on-the-sidewalk one man band Blues 
Musician ? 
 
 The term is busking; Mr. Mailloux is a busker.
 
  by protesting the movement, Xers were vulnerable 
  to the criticism that prior to victimization they had 
  abandoned better thinking and placed themselves 
  in a position to be disappointed or taken advantage of. 
 
 Consider this wrinkle: they didn't see the error in 
 their judgment *until they had done TM for a while.* 
 It's like, add perception of TM's shortcomings to the 
 list of benefits engendered by TM. The irony is too delicious.

But it's something of an infinite regress; they're
still making an error of judgment in not seeing
that TM made it possible for them to see their
*original* error of judgment.



 I recall a post at alt.meditation.transcendental years 
 ago by a guy who said he immersed himself in the 
 organization for 10 years in hopes of getting even 
 one of the advertised benefits. He moved to Fairfield 
 and did everything he was told to do *despite being 
 unable to attribute one benefit* to the practice. 
 Finally said, Enough!
 
 He said the practice was a sham. What I took away 
 was, it took him 10 years of TM to grow a spine.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread shempmcgurk




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson (TV 
talk 
 show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, now 
a 
 blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in common, 
 except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson was 
the one 
 accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were 
unfounded 
 or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very 
profound 
 effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least 
somewhat 
 more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, like 
 Clinton




Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded?





 and Gary Condit--that's what I meant by 'transformation'...not 
 a sex change!
 
 Sal
 
 
 On May 7, 2006, at 2:48 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk
  shempmcgurk@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@
   wrote:
   
He underwent some kind of transformation after he got
accused of sexual shenanigans by someone.
  
   An accusation that was completely unfounded.  As I recall,
   a woman accused him of having sexual dalliances with him
   over several years in a city in which Carlson had never
   even visited.
 
  Given the pronoun usage above, it sounds as if Curtis
  is not the only one who had some kind of transformation.
 
  She starts out as a woman, and later accuses Curtis with
  having sexual dalliances with *him*. Curious minds want
  to know: are we talking sex change here, or did you just
  mistype?












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson (TV 
 talk 
  show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, now 
 a 
  blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in 
common, 
  except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson was 
 the one 
  accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were 
 unfounded 
  or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very 
 profound 
  effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least 
 somewhat 
  more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, like 
  Clinton
 
 Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded?

Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s,
perhance?










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

Just what I was thinking...I just don't have the energy to partake of these endless debates which usually lead nowhere.

Sal


On May 7, 2006, at 6:31 PM, authfriend wrote:

Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s,
perhance?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread shempmcgurk




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  
   We're talking about two different people here, Tucker Carlson 
(TV 
  talk 
   show host) and Curtis Mailloux (former DC TM Center Chairman, 
now 
  a 
   blues musician in VA). The two have absolutely nothing in 
 common, 
   except that I thought they looked sort of similar. Carlson 
was 
  the one 
   accused of sexual shenanigans, and, as Shemp said, they were 
  unfounded 
   or dismissed...Although the accusation itself did have a very 
  profound 
   effect on him, as I recall, and led to him becoming at least 
  somewhat 
   more aware of unfounded accusations being tossed at others, 
like 
   Clinton
  
  Which accusations against Clinton were unfounded?
 
 Were you on vacation on the moon back in the '90s,
 perhance?



No, again, I'm wondering which accusations against Clinton were 
unfounded?

The ones regarding Monica?

Kathleen Willey?

Juanita Broderick?











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-07 Thread cardemaister




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  
   
   On May 6, 2006, at 10:03 PM, bob_brigante wrote:
   
Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair?
   
   Not that I knew of. During his stint as TMO enforcer, I mean, 
   Center Chairman, it was light to medium brown.
  
  Unfortunately, his blues feel a bit soulless!
 
 Huh, that was my reaction too. I thought I might be
 biased because he was such a horrendous pain on
 alt.m.t, but maybe not.
 
 His harmonica is awfully good, though.

Yeah, Train Time is awesome, but IMO the version
by Jack Bruce of Cream has more blues.


 
 And it could be he's more soulful in person...












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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




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 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues

Curtis is from my area. Went on to DC, then TMex. Energetic.
Have not seen him in a long time. Hope he is well. 

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 http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues

Yeah, it is. Pretty mean harmonica!












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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever produced.  After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as he had been pro before.  In his time, though , he was awesome.  He would regularly report people for the most minor TM infractions (such as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well   as  work on occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc.  You name it, he reported  it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or something.  His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long.  I've wondered over the years what became of him too.

Sal


On May 6, 2006, at 1:15 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:

Curtis is from my area. Went on to DC, then TMex. Energetic.
Have not seen him in a long time. Hope he is well.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever 
 produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as 
 he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He 
 would regularly report people for the most minor TM infractions (such 
 as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on 
 occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he 
 reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or 
 something. His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that 
 level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've 
 wondered over the years what became of him too.
 
 Sal

Saw it comming before DC - tried to help

JohnY 



 
 
 On May 6, 2006, at 1:15 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:
 
  Curtis is from my area. Went on to DC, then TMex. Energetic.
  Have not seen him in a long time. Hope he is well.












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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever 
 produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against 
as 
 he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He 
 would regularly report people for the most minor TM infractions 
(such 
 as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on 
 occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he 
 reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or 
 something. His defection really came as not much of a 
surprise...that 
 level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. 
I've 
 wondered over the years what became of him too.




I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several years 
when I was there ('75-'79). Seemed pleasant enough. I remember him 
as being very talkative...that's about it.

But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also at 
MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an 
infamous TM-EX. I don't want to knock the guy too much but when I 
knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived at 
MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went out of 
his way to find out secrets and go to meetings that anti-TM 
fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with 
them for years afterwards. I mention this because years later when 
he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he 
made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come to 
realize were new to him. The reality was that he was told all of 
this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior. So he knew exactly 
what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about having 
the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.

Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a sweet 
kid...kinda like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere): when 
Pat came to MIU he was illiterate. That is, he wrote and read at, 
literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level. To his credit, that first year he 
worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to a 
level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else. But I 
mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap 
(okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was 
probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at MIU 
helped Pat overcome his illiteracy. It would be nice that while he 
trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their part 
in helping him overcome his illiteracy.





 
 Sal
 
 
 On May 6, 2006, at 1:15 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:
 
  Curtis is from my area. Went on to DC, then TMex. Energetic.
  Have not seen him in a long time. Hope he is well.











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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ 
 wrote:
 
  Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever 
  produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently 
against 
 as 
  he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. 
He 
  would regularly report people for the most minor TM infractions 
 (such 
  as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on 
  occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he 
  reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or 
  something. His defection really came as not much of a 
 surprise...that 
  level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. 
 I've 
  wondered over the years what became of him too.
 
 
 
 
 I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several 
years 
 when I was there ('75-'79). Seemed pleasant enough. I remember 
him 
 as being very talkative...that's about it.
 
 But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also at 
 MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an 
 infamous TM-EX. I don't want to knock the guy too much but when I 
 knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived at 
 MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went out 
of 
 his way to find out secrets and go to meetings that anti-TM 
 fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with 
 them for years afterwards. I mention this because years later when 
 he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he 
 made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come to 
 realize were new to him. The reality was that he was told all of 
 this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior. So he knew exactly 
 what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about having 
 the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.
 
 Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a sweet 
 kid...kinda like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere): 
when 
 Pat came to MIU he was illiterate. That is, he wrote and read at, 
 literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level. To his credit, that first year he 
 worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to a 
 level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else. But I 
 mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap 
 (okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was 
 probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at MIU 
 helped Pat overcome his illiteracy. It would be nice that while he 
 trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their part 
 in helping him overcome his illiteracy.

Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat. I never
knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung
out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and
generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds.

Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd
on alt.m.t for some years now. Man, they were vicious.

I sure wish I'd known what you just said about Pat
having heard the negative stuff from the fundamentalists
*before* he became a TM teacher.










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure what might have helped at that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and, although my memories of that time are, of course, growing more vague  by the minute, I had thought he was still  Center Chairman.  
If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was TM-Ex, his reign of terror lasted  fewer years than I thought.  Sort of comforting, in a silly kind of way...I outlasted him!  For some reason I had him freaking out around the mid-90s or so.  
That's probably  just when I became aware of his new vocation, so to speak.  

Sal

On May 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever 
> produced.  After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as 
> he had been pro before.  In his time, though , he was awesome.  He 
> would regularly report people for the most minor TM infractions (such 
> as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well   as  work on 
> occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc.  You name it, he 
> reported  it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or 
> something.  His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that 
> level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long.  I've 
> wondered over the years what became of him too.
> 
> Sal

Saw it comming before DC - tried to help

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

Don't know Pat, but I agree...give credit where it's due.  I never hesitate to mention MIU when somebody asks me where I went to school.  It was still a great place to go back then (early 90s) and hadn't yet gotten too weird.  

Amazing he didn't get caught at some of those activities, (and that he was able to hide them well enough to go to TTC while others were kept off for far lesser reasons) considering the level of spying going on at that point, or so I thought.

Sal


On May 6, 2006, at 6:02 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:

I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several years 
when I was there ('75-'79).  Seemed pleasant enough.  I remember him 
as being very talkative...that's about it.

But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also at 
MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an 
infamous TM-EX.  I don't want to knock the guy too much but when I 
knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived at 
MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went out of 
his way to find out secrets and go to meetings that anti-TM 
fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with 
them for years afterwards.  I mention this because years later when 
he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he 
made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come to 
realize were new to him.  The reality was that he was told all of 
this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior.  So he knew exactly 
what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about having 
the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.

Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a sweet 
kid...kinda  like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere): when 
Pat came to MIU he was illiterate.  That is, he wrote and read at, 
literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level.  To his credit, that first year he 
worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to a 
level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else.  But I 
mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap 
(okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was 
probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at MIU 
helped Pat overcome his illiteracy.  It would be nice that while he 
trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their part 
in helping him overcome his illiteracy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

And he looked the part as well.  He's probably changed somewhat over the years (haven't we all?) but back then he could have been a stand-ion for Tucker Carlson, the right-wing talk show host.  Even down to the bowties.

Sal


On May 6, 2006, at 6:21 PM, authfriend wrote:

Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat.  I never
knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung
out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and
generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds.

Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd
on alt.m.t for some years now.  Man, they were vicious.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 And he looked the part as well. He's probably changed somewhat
 over the years (haven't we all?) but back then he could have been a 
 stand-ion for Tucker Carlson, the right-wing talk show host. Even 
 down to the bowties.

Oh, no sh*t, bowties!

Did you see the photo on his Web site? He's now a 
down-and-dirty blues guy, plays on the street for
money in the D.C. area, sort of a one-man-band kind
of thing. (Does NOT wear a bowtie!)

He's quite good, though, at least from the clips
from his CD. Terrific harmonica player. Has quite
a following, apparently.

I thought his singing lacked, um, well, something,
passion, maybe. Seemed like he was holding
back. But not when he played the harp, though.

 On May 6, 2006, at 6:21 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat.  I never
  knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung
  out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and
  generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds.
 
  Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd
  on alt.m.t for some years now.  Man, they were vicious.












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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-06 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

on 5/6/06 5:16 PM, Sal Sunshine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against as he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He would regularly report people for the most minor TM infractions (such as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or something. His defection really came as not much of a surprise...that level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've wondered over the years what became of him too.

My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) wife Lauras house for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis used to sleepwalk all over the house, sweeping things off tables and counters and cupboard shelves, and generally making a racket. This was when he was still in the movement.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

Probably a result of stress.  To some degree, he and Laura were a perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last longer.  Both were nice-looking, made of steel, extremely materialistic, and absolutely obsessed with the TMO.

Sal


On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) wife Laura’s house for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis used to sleepwalk all over the house, sweeping things off tables and counters and cupboard shelves, and generally making a racket. This was when he was still in the movement.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




On May 6, 2006, at 7:37 PM, authfriend wrote:

 Oh, no sh*t, bowties!

Yep. He played the part well.

 Did you see the photo on his Web site?  He's now a
 down-and-dirty blues guy, plays on the street for
 money in the D.C. area, sort of a one-man-band kind
 of thing.  (Does NOT wear a bowtie!)

Looks like he's put on some weight, and of course gotten a bit older, 
but I can still see echoes of the old Curtis there. But really, in my 
wildest dreams I never would have imagined him playing on the street. 
I would have thought, post-TM, that he might have gone to work for some 
company or something. Or done something else very upscale. Just goes 
to show.

 He's quite good, though, at least from the clips
 from his CD.  Terrific harmonica player.  Has quite
 a following, apparently.

Apparently so. Good for him. I've only had the chance to listen to a 
couple of the tracks, but they are impressive.

 I thought his singing lacked, um, well, something,
 passion, maybe.  Seemed like he was holding
 back.  But not when he played the harp, though.

Haven't heard that one.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 On May 6, 2006, at 7:37 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Oh, no sh*t, bowties!
 
 Yep. He played the part well.
 
  Did you see the photo on his Web site?  He's now a
  down-and-dirty blues guy, plays on the street for
  money in the D.C. area, sort of a one-man-band kind
  of thing.  (Does NOT wear a bowtie!)
 
 Looks like he's put on some weight, and of course gotten a bit
 older, but I can still see echoes of the old Curtis there. But 
 really, in my wildest dreams I never would have imagined him 
 playing on the street. I would have thought, post-TM, that he 
 might have gone to work for some company or something. Or done 
 something else very upscale. Just goes to show.

I suspect he's a person of extremes: from pro-TM
fanatic to anti-TM fanatic, from buttoned-up bowtied
executive type to grubby street musician...and I'd
imagine he plays the latter role just as well and
enthusiastically as he did the former.

Goodness only knows what he'll do if he gets tired
of playing a bluesman. Will he ever feel free of
the need to play a role, and play himself for a
change?


 
  He's quite good, though, at least from the clips
  from his CD.  Terrific harmonica player.  Has quite
  a following, apparently.
 
 Apparently so. Good for him. I've only had the chance to listen 
to a 
 couple of the tracks, but they are impressive.
 
  I thought his singing lacked, um, well, something,
  passion, maybe.  Seemed like he was holding
  back.  But not when he played the harp, though.
 
 Haven't heard that one.
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-06 Thread bob_brigante




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Probably a result of stress. To some degree, he and Laura were a 
 perfect match, and I was surprised they didn't last longer. Both 
were 
 nice-looking, made of steel, extremely materialistic, and 
absolutely 
 obsessed with the TMO.
 
 Sal
 

Didn't Curtis used to have blond hair? That would certainly be a 
sign of high stress if his follicles changed color...


 
 On May 6, 2006, at 8:13 PM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  My wife was a guest in his and his (now divorced) wife Laura's 
house 
  for a while after leaving Mother Divine. Curtis used to 
sleepwalk all 
  over the house, sweeping things off tables and counters and 
cupboard 
  shelves, and generally making a racket. This was when he was 
still in 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure what might have helped at 
 that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and, although my memories of 
 that time are, of course, growing more vague by the minute, I had 
 thought he was still Center Chairman.
 If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was TM-Ex, his reign of 
 terror lasted fewer years than I thought. Sort of comforting, in a 
 silly kind of way...I outlasted him! For some reason I had him 
 freaking out around the mid-90s or so.
 That's probably just when I became aware of his new vocation, so to 
 speak.
 
 Sal
 
Curtis was here after his phase I of TTC (and before as well). He was
really intent on teaching then the movement took away all his phase
III work study credit (on an academy in FL, if I remember correctly)
but he made it all a second time and went to phase III. Initiations
had already nose dived before he went to phase III. I was surprised he
went so far in the other direction.

 His music sounds real good... I wonder what his take on is now?


JohnY

 On May 6, 2006, at 5:46 PM, jyouells2000 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@
  wrote:
  
   Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever
   produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently against 
  as
   he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was awesome. He
   would regularly report people for the most minor TM infractions 
  (such
   as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work on
   occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, he
   reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, or
   something. His defection really came as not much of a 
  surprise...that
   level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. I've
   wondered over the years what became of him too.
  
   Sal
 
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Don't know Pat, but I agree...give credit where it's due. I never 
 hesitate to mention MIU when somebody asks me where I went to school. 
 It was still a great place to go back then (early 90s) and hadn't yet 
 gotten too weird.
 
 Amazing he didn't get caught at some of those activities, (and that he 
 was able to hide them well enough to go to TTC while others were kept 
 off for far lesser reasons) considering the level of spying going on at 
 that point, or so I thought.
 
 Sal
 

Sal, in 1977 when all the formerly active teachers were heading for
the hills, I took over a center and the outgoing teacher 'borrowed' my
paycheck from the mail, and managed to cash it and headed for the
hills. I was using it for center rent. That was the major crack in my
 warm and fuzzy illusions. :)


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ 
 wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
salsunshine@ 
  wrote:
  
   Curtis Mailloux...one of the truly great TM Nazis the TMO ever 
   produced. After he left the fold, he became as vehemently 
 against 
  as 
   he had been pro before. In his time, though , he was 
awesome. 
 He 
   would regularly report people for the most minor TM 
infractions 
  (such 
   as wearing jeans to the Center--horrors!) as well as work 
on 
   occasion to keep people off courses, TTC, etc. You name it, 
he 
   reported it. Must have satisfied some primal urge for power, 
or 
   something. His defection really came as not much of a 
  surprise...that 
   level of stress most people just can't keep up for very long. 
  I've 
   wondered over the years what became of him too.
  
  
  
  
  I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several 
 years 
  when I was there ('75-'79). Seemed pleasant enough. I remember 
 him 
  as being very talkative...that's about it.
  
  But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was also 
at 
  MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an 
  infamous TM-EX. I don't want to knock the guy too much but when 
I 
  knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived 
at 
  MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went 
out 
 of 
  his way to find out secrets and go to meetings that anti-TM 
  fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with 
  them for years afterwards. I mention this because years later 
when 
  he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he 
  made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come 
to 
  realize were new to him. The reality was that he was told all 
of 
  this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior. So he knew 
exactly 
  what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about 
having 
  the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.
  
  Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a 
sweet 
  kid...kinda like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere): 
 when 
  Pat came to MIU he was illiterate. That is, he wrote and read 
at, 
  literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level. To his credit, that first year 
he 
  worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to 
a 
  level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else. But I 
  mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap 
  (okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was 
  probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at 
MIU 
  helped Pat overcome his illiteracy. It would be nice that while 
he 
  trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their 
part 
  in helping him overcome his illiteracy.
 
 Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat. I never
 knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung
 out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and
 generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds.
 
 Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd
 on alt.m.t for some years now. Man, they were vicious.
 
 I sure wish I'd known what you just said about Pat
 having heard the negative stuff from the fundamentalists
 *before* he became a TM teacher.


So Pat was also a participant on amt? Interesting.

Yes, Pat knew all he had to know about TM from A to Z. There were 
virtually NO surprises at all for him from '75 onward.











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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 Don't know Pat, but I agree...give credit where it's due. I never 
 hesitate to mention MIU when somebody asks me where I went to 
school. 
 It was still a great place to go back then (early 90s) and hadn't 
yet 
 gotten too weird.
 
 Amazing he didn't get caught at some of those activities, (and 
that he 
 was able to hide them well enough to go to TTC while others were 
kept 
 off for far lesser reasons) considering the level of spying going 
on at 
 that point, or so I thought.



I'm not 100% sure, but I think Pat was denied acceptance to TTC the 
first time he applied.



 
 Sal
 
 
 On May 6, 2006, at 6:02 PM, shempmcgurk wrote:
 
  I only knew him from passing but he was at MIU for the several 
years
  when I was there ('75-'79).  Seemed pleasant enough.  I 
remember him
  as being very talkative...that's about it.
 
  But what you say above reminds me a bit of Pat Ryan who was 
also at
  MIU at the same time. Ryan also left the Movement and became an
  infamous TM-EX.  I don't want to knock the guy too much but 
when I
  knew Pat it was when as a 17 or 18 year old he had just arrived 
at
  MIU and was skeptical and cynical about the teaching and went 
out of
  his way to find out secrets and go to meetings that anti-TM
  fundamentalists were holding in town and then corresponding with
  them for years afterwards.  I mention this because years later 
when
  he then became a TM teacher and then years later left the TMO he
  made it seem that all the revelations about TM that he had come 
to
  realize were new to him.  The reality was that he was told all 
of
  this stuff by the fundies about 15 years prior.  So he knew 
exactly
  what he was getting into and he can't feign innocence about 
having
  the wool pulled over his eyes by the evil cult.
 
  Another thing about Pat (and I should say I thought he was a 
sweet
  kid...kinda  like a puppy dog who would follow you everywhere): 
when
  Pat came to MIU he was illiterate.  That is, he wrote and read 
at,
  literally, a Grade 2 or 3 level.  To his credit, that first 
year he
  worked his ass off improving himself and bringing himself up to 
a
  level where he was pretty much at par with everyone else.  But I
  mention this because: 1) MIU accepted him despite this handicap
  (okay, they were probably desparate for students and this was
  probably their motivation); and 2) teachers, TAs and others at 
MIU
  helped Pat overcome his illiteracy.  It would be nice that 
while he
  trashed the TMO and all things TM, he could acknowledge their 
part
  in helping him overcome his illiteracy.











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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 And he looked the part as well. He's probably changed somewhat 
over 
 the years (haven't we all?) but back then he could have been a 
 stand-ion for Tucker Carlson, the right-wing talk show host. Even 
down 
 to the bowties.


What makes someone right wing? Tucker Carlson is famously down on 
record as opposing the U.S. invasion of Iraq.




 
 Sal
 
 
 On May 6, 2006, at 6:21 PM, authfriend wrote:
 
  Fascinating to hear about Curtis and Pat.  I never
  knew them as TMers, only afterwards, when they hung
  out on alt.m.t posting long, extremely hostile, and
  generally quite dishonest anti-TM screeds.
 
  Haven't seen hide nor hair of that old anti-TM crowd
  on alt.m.t for some years now.  Man, they were vicious.












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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-06 Thread Rick Archer




on 5/6/06 10:12 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
 
 Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure what might have helped at
 that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and, although my memories of
 that time are, of course, growing more vague by the minute, I had
 thought he was still Center Chairman.
 If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was TM-Ex, his reign of
 terror lasted fewer years than I thought. Sort of comforting, in a
 silly kind of way...I outlasted him! For some reason I had him
 freaking out around the mid-90s or so.
 That's probably just when I became aware of his new vocation, so to
 speak.
 
 Sal
 
 Curtis was here after his phase I of TTC (and before as well). He was
 really intent on teaching then the movement took away all his phase
 III work study credit (on an academy in FL, if I remember correctly)
 but he made it all a second time and went to phase III. Initiations
 had already nose dived before he went to phase III. I was surprised he
 went so far in the other direction.
 
 His music sounds real good... I wonder what his take on is now?
 
Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a musician? I missed something.
Does he have a web site?








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[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy: is this the same guy you used to debate with on amt?

2006-05-06 Thread gullible fool





 Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a
 musician? I missed something.
 Does he have a web site?

His website is in the links section of the cdbaby
website.

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/curtisblues

http://www.curtisblues.com/

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 on 5/6/06 10:12 PM, jyouells2000 at
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine
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  wrote:
  
  Apart from shock therapy, I'm not really sure
 what might have helped at
  that point. I left DC to move here in 91 and,
 although my memories of
  that time are, of course, growing more vague by
 the minute, I had
  thought he was still Center Chairman.
  If he became CC in 85, and already by 90 he was
 TM-Ex, his reign of
  terror lasted fewer years than I thought. Sort
 of comforting, in a
  silly kind of way...I outlasted him! For some
 reason I had him
  freaking out around the mid-90s or so.
  That's probably just when I became aware of his
 new vocation, so to
  speak.
  
  Sal
  
  Curtis was here after his phase I of TTC (and
 before as well). He was
  really intent on teaching then the movement took
 away all his phase
  III work study credit (on an academy in FL, if I
 remember correctly)
  but he made it all a second time and went to phase
 III. Initiations
  had already nose dived before he went to phase
 III. I was surprised he
  went so far in the other direction.
  
  His music sounds real good... I wonder what his
 take on is now?
  
 Are we saying Curtis Mallioux (sp?) is now a
 musician? I missed something.
 Does he have a web site?
 
 
 
 
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