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On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:10 PM, sparaig wrote:Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators?  Not that I'm aware of. Why should he? Experientially it's very easy   to see the difference.   LOL. Ah yes, inner experience > than scientific research. That's a convenient excuse. If  MMY claimed it, you'd be all over him. Well, if he had a couple thousand years experience at producing fully enlightened Buddhas, I'd take it easy on him.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:
> > 
> > > Where's the research?
> > 
> > None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who  
> > need that crutch.
> 
> Feeling a bit superior this morning? (Therapy may help dismissiveness
> actions based on superiority complexes. There IS research on that.)
> 
> > The direct experience is the important thing.
> 
> Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior
> posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning
> 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to
> overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors,
> pyschoanalytical complexes (can yuo say "Oedipal"?) that the human
> mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual
> experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with
> research (not his, but cites).
> 
> Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am
> going with that. :)
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out
> >>> neurologically within the brain.
> >>> OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe
> >>> the world in these terms.
> >>> Either way, its radically different than the high concentration
> >>> Buddhist meditation findings
> >>> that Vaj likes to tout here.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that
> >> uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some
> >> previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are
> >> able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently.
> >>
> >
> > Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators?
> 
> Not that I'm aware of. Why should he? Experientially it's very easy  
> to see the difference.
> 

LOL. Ah yes, inner experience > than scientific research. That's a convenient 
excuse. If 
MMY claimed it, you'd be all over him.

> >
> >  This is
> >
> >> accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance
> >> between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become
> >> totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and
> >> simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one
> >> can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about
> >> 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of
> >> meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage
> >> from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner
> >> and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity
> >> consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open".
> >> And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from
> >> meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Where's the research?
> 
> None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who  
> need that crutch.
> 
> The direct experience is the important thing.
>

Of course...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

On Aug 2, 2006, at 12:46 PM, new.morning wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote: Where's the research? None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who need that crutch. Feeling a bit superior this morning? (Therapy may help dismissiveness actions based on superiority complexes. There IS research on that.)Not at all, I just find the robotic repetition of "research" as a thought-stopper silly and more an artifact of marketing, conditioning (in this particular case) and obsession. Interesting you didn't see the superior tone in Spairag's orignal question. As if somehow research was important to meditators. Prejudiced? There's LOT'S of research on that. The direct experience is the important thing. Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors, pyschoanalytical complexes (can yuo say "Oedipal"?) that the human mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with research (not his, but cites).Not of course what I meant. Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am going with that. :) Say no more.
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2006-08-02 Thread new . morning

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > Where's the research?
> 
> None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who  
> need that crutch.

Feeling a bit superior this morning? (Therapy may help dismissiveness
actions based on superiority complexes. There IS research on that.)

> The direct experience is the important thing.

Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior
posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning
'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to
overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors,
pyschoanalytical complexes (can yuo say "Oedipal"?) that the human
mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual
experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with
research (not his, but cites).

Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am
going with that. :)

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

On Aug 2, 2006, at 11:48 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote: It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out neurologically within the brain. OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe the world in these terms. Either way, its radically different than the high concentration Buddhist meditation findings that Vaj likes to tout here. Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently. Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators?Not that I'm aware of. Why should he? Experientially it's very easy to see the difference. This is accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open". And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support. Where's the research? None was necessary, although there's research out there for those who need that crutch.The direct experience is the important thing.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> > It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out  
> > neurologically within the brain.
> > OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe  
> > the world in these terms.
> > Either way, its radically different than the high concentration  
> > Buddhist meditation findings
> > that Vaj likes to tout here.
> 
> Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that  
> uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some  
> previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are  
> able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently.

Dana does EEG/fMRI research on meditators?

 This is  
> accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance  
> between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become  
> totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and  
> simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one  
> can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about  
> 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of  
> meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage  
> from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner  
> and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity  
> consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open".  
> And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from  
> meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support.
>

Where's the research?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

On Aug 1, 2006, at 5:38 PM, sparaig wrote:It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out neurologically within the brain. OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe the world in these terms. Either way, its radically different than the high concentration Buddhist meditation findings that Vaj likes to tout here. Actually Vaj has never "touted" any meditation technique here that uses "high concentration". As Dana Sawyer pointed out in some previous quotes shared here: meditators using these techniques are able to transcend easier, longer and more frequently. This is accomplished by teaching students to find their own unique balance between subtle effort and no effort. Eventually meditation become totally (and truly) effortless: one sits, decides how long, and simply goes into samadhi/shamatha for the entire session! Once one can sustain transcendence for longer periods of time (IME over about 10 minutes) one can also decide to practice non-dual forms of meditation, which unlike what you describe where the senses disengage from objects and withdraw (or "retire"/transcend) and separate inner and outer into a dualistic divide--one can instead cultivate unity consciousness and work with methods which leave the senses "open". And this is the natural sequence in learning meditation: going from meditation requiring "supports" (e.g. a mantra) to no support.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- sparaig  wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "inthislifetime300" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry Judy,
> > > > > 
> > > > > David signature was not on the previous post. 
> > > It was at the bottom 
> > > > > of his website.
> > > > 
> > > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > > > of a specific religion?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > It's a practice of the followers of a specific guru:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates
> > > awakening to one's personal indwelling 
> > > Divine Presence.
> > > 
> > > This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The
> > > parietal lobes, located in the brain near the 
> > > top of the skull, are responsible for our
> > > orientation in space. Without them we could not 
> > > get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a
> > > doorway. Since Hans Selye's work in 
> > > the 30's, however, scientists agree that the
> > > parietal lobes are overactive in most human 
> > > beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes
> > > causes us to feel existentially separate 
> > > and even opposed to our environment - not supported,
> > > not safe. The diksha energy calms 
> > > the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to
> > > experience our natural oneness with the 
> > > rest of creation.
> > > 
> > > The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with
> > > the passion for life, enthusiasm, and love 
> > > of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The
> > > activation of the frontal lobes leads to 
> > > the experience of God realization, oneness with God,
> > > our own personal God. 
> > > 
> > > Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in
> > > its history to assist the world's 
> > > transformation to a higher level of consciousness.
> > > It is a gift of the Divine through the 
> > > intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi
> > > Amma. It is offered through their 
> > > followers, called deeksha givers, all over the
> > > world.
> > 
> > This is a profoundly gross simplification of brain
> > functioning and is a fairy tale. Pseudo science at its
> > best!
> > 
> I recall exactly the opposite being claimed by the TMO years ago, 
> that more enlightened functioning was associated with areas at the 
> back of the brain...Whatever...
>

Yes, but they at least show the EEG and fMRI of the people that they've tested. 
I can claim 
that picking my nose leads to enlightenment because it enlivens certain parts 
of the brain. 
I'll show you how to pick your nose for a fee and you too can get this 
brain-stimulating 
technique. What, you want me to show you the research?

How materialistic of you...







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2006-08-01 Thread jim_flanegin

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "inthislifetime300" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Judy,
> > > > 
> > > > David signature was not on the previous post. 
> > It was at the bottom 
> > > > of his website.
> > > 
> > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > > of a specific religion?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > It's a practice of the followers of a specific guru:
> > 
> > 
> > Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates
> > awakening to one's personal indwelling 
> > Divine Presence.
> > 
> > This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The
> > parietal lobes, located in the brain near the 
> > top of the skull, are responsible for our
> > orientation in space. Without them we could not 
> > get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a
> > doorway. Since Hans Selye's work in 
> > the 30's, however, scientists agree that the
> > parietal lobes are overactive in most human 
> > beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes
> > causes us to feel existentially separate 
> > and even opposed to our environment - not supported,
> > not safe. The diksha energy calms 
> > the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to
> > experience our natural oneness with the 
> > rest of creation.
> > 
> > The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with
> > the passion for life, enthusiasm, and love 
> > of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The
> > activation of the frontal lobes leads to 
> > the experience of God realization, oneness with God,
> > our own personal God. 
> > 
> > Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in
> > its history to assist the world's 
> > transformation to a higher level of consciousness.
> > It is a gift of the Divine through the 
> > intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi
> > Amma. It is offered through their 
> > followers, called deeksha givers, all over the
> > world.
> 
> This is a profoundly gross simplification of brain
> functioning and is a fairy tale. Pseudo science at its
> best!
> 
I recall exactly the opposite being claimed by the TMO years ago, 
that more enlightened functioning was associated with areas at the 
back of the brain...Whatever...






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2006-08-01 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
]...\
> At least Fred Travis is trying to ground his
> theorizing with up-to-date brain functioning theory
> and EEG studies. He also doesn't regress into
> metaphorical analogies that are closer to phrenology
> than neurology.
> 

There's more to the theory than that, of course. I mean, HOW does TM lead to 
this state in 
the first place and how does it keep going? Fred is feeding me the theory in 
bits and 
pieces as I try to animate it. Right now I'm still at step one, showing the 
initial input from 
the eye, through optic nerve into the thalamus, where most of the data is fed 
directly to 
the primary visual cortex, percolates through the rest of the visual cortex and 
the 
temporal lobe, and then sent back to the thalamus to merge with the incoming 
visual 
signal. Once I get that looking pretty (or at least quasi-acceptable), we'll go 
to step two, to 
show what happens when one closes one's eyes, where the initial input ceases, 
but the 
feedback loop tends to continue for a bit.

 The "inner tv screen" of your mind really IS like one in a certain respect: 
the pattern of 
activation of the rods and cones in the brain is kept intact, almost like a 
bitmapped image, 
all the way through the thalmus into the visual cortex.  There's pretty much a 
one-to-one 
correspondance between the raw data collected from the retina through the optic 
nerve 
back to the back of the head. The primary visual cortex is practically in a 
straigh line 
drawn from the eye through the thalamus to the back of the head and the info, 
while its 
been split and inverted along the way, is pretty much in the same overall 
pattern as it was 
during the original physical impact of photons on the retina. IOW, if the nerve 
bundle were 
a fiber optic cable, you could aim it at a regular screen and you would see 
pretty much the 
original image that hit the eye or at least half of it, upside down--the other 
half goes to 
the other half of the brain..

wha's amazing is that the output  from the processed image gets fed back into 
the original 
raw data stream in some kind of "meaningful" way after having been processed by 
100's of 
millions of neurons in half a dozen different parts of the brain with 
presumably radically 
different processing styles. That's where the miracle part comes in, IMHO.

Smadhi itself is overwhelmingly simple by comparison.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

2006-08-01 Thread Peter



--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "authfriend"
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > > "inthislifetime300" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry Judy,
> > > > > 
> > > > > David signature was not on the previous
> post. 
> > > It was at the bottom 
> > > > > of his website.
> > > > 
> > > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a
> practice
> > > > of a specific religion?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > It's a practice of the followers of a specific
> guru:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates
> > > awakening to one's personal indwelling 
> > > Divine Presence.
> > > 
> > > This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The
> > > parietal lobes, located in the brain near the 
> > > top of the skull, are responsible for our
> > > orientation in space. Without them we could not 
> > > get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through
> a
> > > doorway. Since Hans Selye's work in 
> > > the 30's, however, scientists agree that the
> > > parietal lobes are overactive in most human 
> > > beings. The overactive nature of the parietal
> lobes
> > > causes us to feel existentially separate 
> > > and even opposed to our environment - not
> supported,
> > > not safe. The diksha energy calms 
> > > the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us
> to
> > > experience our natural oneness with the 
> > > rest of creation.
> > > 
> > > The frontal lobes of the brain are associated
> with
> > > the passion for life, enthusiasm, and love 
> > > of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes.
> The
> > > activation of the frontal lobes leads to 
> > > the experience of God realization, oneness with
> God,
> > > our own personal God. 
> > > 
> > > Diksha is being given to humanity at this time
> in
> > > its history to assist the world's 
> > > transformation to a higher level of
> consciousness.
> > > It is a gift of the Divine through the 
> > > intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati
> Devi
> > > Amma. It is offered through their 
> > > followers, called deeksha givers, all over the
> > > world.
> > 
> > This is a profoundly gross simplification of brain
> > functioning and is a fairy tale. Pseudo science at
> its
> > best!
> > 
> 
> Contrast this with Fred's theory about samadhi: 
> 
> The thalamus is the gateway to about 90% of sensory
> input into the brain (almost all 
> visual, auditory and tactile input goes straight
> through the thalmus while taste and smell 
> bypasses it) and it acts as a switchboard sending
> incoming sensory information from the 
> various senses to the relevant parts of the brain
> for processing. Those parts of the brain 
> then send the processed information back to the
> thalamus which routes them back 
> through the loop again, modifying the incoming raw
> sensory input with the processed 
> input.
> 
> When you sleep, the thalamus tends to shut down, but
> the rest of the brain becomes less 
> alert. During samadhi (ala TM) the thalamus tends to
> shut down, but the brain remains 
> alert, according to various fMRI and EEG studies.
> The mind has "withdrawn its senses like a 
> turtoise withdraws its limbs into its shell" and
> awareness is left awake to itself without 
> sensory  input--even the "subtle" sensory input from
> the feedback--to modify it.
> 
> This is radically different than what is found
> during other forms of meditation,  even/
> especially when "bliss" is reported during them.
> 
> It's the dfference between relative and absolute,
> played out neurologically within the brain. 
> OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads
> one to describe the world in these terms. 
> Either way, its radically different than the high
> concentration Buddhist meditation findings 
> that Vaj likes to tout here.
> 
> And the TM-Sidhis MERGE this neural behavior with
> activity, as MMY says, or so the EEG 
> findings strongly suggest.

At least Fred Travis is trying to ground his
theorizing with up-to-date brain functioning theory
and EEG studies. He also doesn't regress into
metaphorical analogies that are closer to phrenology
than neurology.




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2006-08-01 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "inthislifetime300" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry Judy,
> > > > 
> > > > David signature was not on the previous post. 
> > It was at the bottom 
> > > > of his website.
> > > 
> > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > > of a specific religion?
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > It's a practice of the followers of a specific guru:
> > 
> > 
> > Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates
> > awakening to one's personal indwelling 
> > Divine Presence.
> > 
> > This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The
> > parietal lobes, located in the brain near the 
> > top of the skull, are responsible for our
> > orientation in space. Without them we could not 
> > get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a
> > doorway. Since Hans Selye's work in 
> > the 30's, however, scientists agree that the
> > parietal lobes are overactive in most human 
> > beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes
> > causes us to feel existentially separate 
> > and even opposed to our environment - not supported,
> > not safe. The diksha energy calms 
> > the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to
> > experience our natural oneness with the 
> > rest of creation.
> > 
> > The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with
> > the passion for life, enthusiasm, and love 
> > of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The
> > activation of the frontal lobes leads to 
> > the experience of God realization, oneness with God,
> > our own personal God. 
> > 
> > Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in
> > its history to assist the world's 
> > transformation to a higher level of consciousness.
> > It is a gift of the Divine through the 
> > intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi
> > Amma. It is offered through their 
> > followers, called deeksha givers, all over the
> > world.
> 
> This is a profoundly gross simplification of brain
> functioning and is a fairy tale. Pseudo science at its
> best!
> 

Contrast this with Fred's theory about samadhi: 

The thalamus is the gateway to about 90% of sensory input into the brain 
(almost all 
visual, auditory and tactile input goes straight through the thalmus while 
taste and smell 
bypasses it) and it acts as a switchboard sending incoming sensory information 
from the 
various senses to the relevant parts of the brain for processing. Those parts 
of the brain 
then send the processed information back to the thalamus which routes them back 
through the loop again, modifying the incoming raw sensory input with the 
processed 
input.

When you sleep, the thalamus tends to shut down, but the rest of the brain 
becomes less 
alert. During samadhi (ala TM) the thalamus tends to shut down, but the brain 
remains 
alert, according to various fMRI and EEG studies. The mind has "withdrawn its 
senses like a 
turtoise withdraws its limbs into its shell" and awareness is left awake to 
itself without 
sensory  input--even the "subtle" sensory input from the feedback--to modify it.

This is radically different than what is found during other forms of 
meditation,  even/
especially when "bliss" is reported during them.

It's the dfference between relative and absolute, played out neurologically 
within the brain. 
OR, the experience of this within the brain, leads one to describe the world in 
these terms. 
Either way, its radically different than the high concentration Buddhist 
meditation findings 
that Vaj likes to tout here.

And the TM-Sidhis MERGE this neural behavior with activity, as MMY says, or so 
the EEG 
findings strongly suggest.

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2006-08-01 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger





on 8/1/06 1:02 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



How and why would students be at MIU and NOT be meditators?  I'm 
confused...

Many foreign students come just to get into the US. They don’t learn TM till they get here, and many don’t feel much motivation to practice it.

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2006-08-01 Thread Rick Archer

Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick, please send this info to the Fairfield Ledger

on 8/1/06 12:58 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  , Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> something?

You're missing something.

This particular individual practises TM and the TM-Sidhi program 
regularly and would be doing said program in the Domes if he were 
allowed in.

It was an outside personally-chosen "religious" activity that he was 
engaged in that caused him to be ejected.

Same with me. Now I’ve moved on to other things, but when they booted me, a few days after 9/11, I was doing the TM-TMS program as taught. No regrets though. As Steve K. said, there’s life after the TMO. Sometimes getting the boot is the best thing that can happen to a person. 

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2006-08-01 Thread Peter



--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "inthislifetime300" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry Judy,
> > > 
> > > David signature was not on the previous post. 
> It was at the bottom 
> > > of his website.
> > 
> > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > of a specific religion?
> > 
> > 
> 
> It's a practice of the followers of a specific guru:
> 
> 
> Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates
> awakening to one's personal indwelling 
> Divine Presence.
> 
> This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The
> parietal lobes, located in the brain near the 
> top of the skull, are responsible for our
> orientation in space. Without them we could not 
> get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a
> doorway. Since Hans Selye's work in 
> the 30's, however, scientists agree that the
> parietal lobes are overactive in most human 
> beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes
> causes us to feel existentially separate 
> and even opposed to our environment - not supported,
> not safe. The diksha energy calms 
> the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to
> experience our natural oneness with the 
> rest of creation.
> 
> The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with
> the passion for life, enthusiasm, and love 
> of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The
> activation of the frontal lobes leads to 
> the experience of God realization, oneness with God,
> our own personal God. 
> 
> Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in
> its history to assist the world's 
> transformation to a higher level of consciousness.
> It is a gift of the Divine through the 
> intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi
> Amma. It is offered through their 
> followers, called deeksha givers, all over the
> world.

This is a profoundly gross simplification of brain
functioning and is a fairy tale. Pseudo science at its
best!





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2006-08-01 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> > > > getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> > > > thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> > > > program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> > > > Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> > > > something?
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I think Rick is saying that the diksha thing does not apply 
> during 
> > > meditation time, but is a laying on of hands thing that is used 
> > post-
> > > meditation, so it would be funny for National to justify banning 
> > > somebody from the dome because they would not be doing TM during 
> > their 
> > > dome time. 
> > > 
> > > It's a bogus issue to me either way, because if TMers are 
> supposed 
> > to 
> > > be producing such a powerful influence of coherence, then a few 
> > people 
> > > not on the same wavelength would be insignificant, just the like 
> > the 
> > > many sleepers or drowsy people in the dome are not an important 
> > > influence one way or the other.
> > > 
> > > I remember when I used to do group meditation at the TM center 
> on 
> > > campus, many of the Chinese and Indian students who did not 
> > practice 
> > > TM were nevertheless required to attend the twice daily 
> sessions, 
> > and 
> > > some of them would listen to radios, most would sleep. Didn't 
> make 
> > any 
> > > difference to me, although I thought it was stupid to require 
> > people 
> > > to show up for something they had no interest in.
> > >
> > 
> 
> 
> > How and why would students be at MIU and NOT be meditators?  I'm 
> > confused...
> 
> 
> 
> MIU used to give students from poor countries free-ride 
> scholarships, and many students who had zero chance of getting a 
> college education otherwise, took MIU up on their free ride offer. 
> Many of those foreign students displayed no interest in TM, but 
> there were also a few American students whose parents had sent them 
> to MIU because the parents were strong meditators and/or the kid had 
> a drug/behavior problem and they were hoping to sort him out, but 
> the kid had no interest in TM.
> 
> MUM no longer hands out free-ride scholarships, as they discovered 
> that foreign computer science students who come here to get a 
> master's degree could work at full pay in the US for a couple years 
> without a big visa hassle for them or employers, giving them the 
> money to pay MUM's full tuition ($25K -- 
> http://www.mum.edu/compro/fafaqs.html ), which has put MUM on a very 
> good financial footing, since it only pays low volunteer-wage rates, 
> even to faculty. In order to cut down on the number of computer 
> science students who have zero interest in TM, students from Nepal 
> and Ethiopia are required to practice TM for six months before being 
> accepted into the master's program:
> 
> http://www.mum.edu/compro/steps.html
> 
> Whether this cuts down on the percentage of students who are only 
> playing along with MUM, pretending to do TM, I'm not sure. Probably 
> not, as there a lot of students in these poor countries who will do 
> or say anything to get into the US and work at our pay scales, while 
> taking a master's degree and current work experience at US 
> corporations back to their home countries.
>

The new spiritual progress report card (or whatever its called) may be an 
atempt to get 
people to meditate who aren't otherwise interested.







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2006-07-31 Thread bob_brigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> > > getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> > > thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> > > program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> > > Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> > > something?
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I think Rick is saying that the diksha thing does not apply 
during 
> > meditation time, but is a laying on of hands thing that is used 
> post-
> > meditation, so it would be funny for National to justify banning 
> > somebody from the dome because they would not be doing TM during 
> their 
> > dome time. 
> > 
> > It's a bogus issue to me either way, because if TMers are 
supposed 
> to 
> > be producing such a powerful influence of coherence, then a few 
> people 
> > not on the same wavelength would be insignificant, just the like 
> the 
> > many sleepers or drowsy people in the dome are not an important 
> > influence one way or the other.
> > 
> > I remember when I used to do group meditation at the TM center 
on 
> > campus, many of the Chinese and Indian students who did not 
> practice 
> > TM were nevertheless required to attend the twice daily 
sessions, 
> and 
> > some of them would listen to radios, most would sleep. Didn't 
make 
> any 
> > difference to me, although I thought it was stupid to require 
> people 
> > to show up for something they had no interest in.
> >
> 

> How and why would students be at MIU and NOT be meditators?  I'm 
> confused...

MIU used to give students from poor countries free-ride 
scholarships, and many students who had zero chance of getting a 
college education otherwise, took MIU up on their free ride offer. 
Many of those foreign students displayed no interest in TM, but 
there were also a few American students whose parents had sent them 
to MIU because the parents were strong meditators and/or the kid had 
a drug/behavior problem and they were hoping to sort him out, but 
the kid had no interest in TM.

MUM no longer hands out free-ride scholarships, as they discovered 
that foreign computer science students who come here to get a 
master's degree could work at full pay in the US for a couple years 
without a big visa hassle for them or employers, giving them the 
money to pay MUM's full tuition ($25K -- 
http://www.mum.edu/compro/fafaqs.html ), which has put MUM on a very 
good financial footing, since it only pays low volunteer-wage rates, 
even to faculty. In order to cut down on the number of computer 
science students who have zero interest in TM, students from Nepal 
and Ethiopia are required to practice TM for six months before being 
accepted into the master's program:

http://www.mum.edu/compro/steps.html

Whether this cuts down on the percentage of students who are only 
playing along with MUM, pretending to do TM, I'm not sure. Probably 
not, as there a lot of students in these poor countries who will do 
or say anything to get into the US and work at our pay scales, while 
taking a master's degree and current work experience at US 
corporations back to their home countries.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
wrote:
> >
> > I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> > getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> > thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> > program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> > Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> > something?
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> I think Rick is saying that the diksha thing does not apply during 
> meditation time, but is a laying on of hands thing that is used 
post-
> meditation, so it would be funny for National to justify banning 
> somebody from the dome because they would not be doing TM during 
their 
> dome time. 
> 
> It's a bogus issue to me either way, because if TMers are supposed 
to 
> be producing such a powerful influence of coherence, then a few 
people 
> not on the same wavelength would be insignificant, just the like 
the 
> many sleepers or drowsy people in the dome are not an important 
> influence one way or the other.
> 
> I remember when I used to do group meditation at the TM center on 
> campus, many of the Chinese and Indian students who did not 
practice 
> TM were nevertheless required to attend the twice daily sessions, 
and 
> some of them would listen to radios, most would sleep. Didn't make 
any 
> difference to me, although I thought it was stupid to require 
people 
> to show up for something they had no interest in.
>

How and why would students be at MIU and NOT be meditators?  I'm 
confused...







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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> > getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> > thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> > program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> > Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> > something?
> 
> Some feel the TMO has no right to think he isn't
> doing the official TM program, it seems.
> 
> Others feel the TMO has no right to throw him out
> even if it was sure he wasn't doing the official TM
> program.
> 
> Still others are upset because he was accepted for
> the course initially and assume he got screwed out
> of travel money and course fees when he was
> subsequently ejected, except that it appears he lives
> in town and the course is free.
> 
> Others think it's a case of religious discrimination
> because he practices deeksha, and because MUM receives
> federal funds, it isn't allowed to discriminate.
> 
> I believe one person suggested he could take the TMO
> to court for humiliating him.
>


Thanks to FFL's Town Cryer for summarizing the news.






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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> something?


You're missing something.

This particular individual practises TM and the TM-Sidhi program 
regularly and would be doing said program in the Domes if he were 
allowed in.

It was an outside personally-chosen "religious" activity that he was 
engaged in that caused him to be ejected.


> 
> --- inthislifetime300 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry Judy,
> > 
> > David signature was not on the previous post.  It
> > was at the bottom 
> > of his website.
> > 
> > \--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> >  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "inthislifetime300" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well if anyone wants to contact David about a
> > lawsuit, here is 
> > his 
> > > > contact info from his diksha website:
> > > > 
> > > > David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at
> > Oneness 
> > University 
> > > in 
> > > > October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in
> > Fairfield with Nathan 
> > > and 
> > > > Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha
> > and private deeksha 
> > > > sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call
> > David at
> > > > 641-209-5793, or email him at bousfield@
> > > > 
> > > > David
> > > 
> > > David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity
> > > of your religion?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > For deeksha events around the world, see
> > www.onenessmovement.org
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "shempmcgurk" 
> >  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> > > > > 
> > > > > MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in
> > fact be a 
> > violation 
> > > of 
> > > > > federal law: you cannot exclude someone from
> > an activity based 
> > > upon 
> > > > > their religion..and since MUM is federally
> > funded, this law 
> > > applies 
> > > > to 
> > > > > them.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha
> > fellow does his 
> > > program 
> > > > > regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE
> > his program time.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > 
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2006-07-31 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> something?

Just shows a need to knock the TMO. Bush haters do it with Bush. Clinton haters 
with Clinton, 
etc.

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2006-07-31 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Sorry Judy,
> > 
> > David signature was not on the previous post.  It was at the bottom 
> > of his website.
> 
> OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> of a specific religion?
> 
> 

It's a practice of the followers of a specific guru:

Deeksha is an energy transfer that facilitates awakening to one's personal 
indwelling 
Divine Presence.

This is an actual Neuro-biological change. The parietal lobes, located in the 
brain near the 
top of the skull, are responsible for our orientation in space. Without them we 
could not 
get a spoon to our mouth or find our way through a doorway. Since Hans Selye's 
work in 
the 30's, however, scientists agree that the parietal lobes are overactive in 
most human 
beings. The overactive nature of the parietal lobes causes us to feel 
existentially separate 
and even opposed to our environment - not supported, not safe. The diksha 
energy calms 
the activity of the parietal lobes, allowing us to experience our natural 
oneness with the 
rest of creation.

The frontal lobes of the brain are associated with the passion for life, 
enthusiasm, and love 
of God. The deeksha activates the frontal lobes. The activation of the frontal 
lobes leads to 
the experience of God realization, oneness with God, our own personal God. 

Diksha is being given to humanity at this time in its history to assist the 
world's 
transformation to a higher level of consciousness. It is a gift of the Divine 
through the 
intercession of Sri Bhagavan and Sri Padmavati Devi Amma. It is offered through 
their 
followers, called deeksha givers, all over the world.

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2006-07-31 Thread sparaig

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> 
> MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a violation of 
> federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity based upon 
> their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law applies to 
> them.
> 
> This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his program 
> regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program time.
>

Neither of those apply. If he can't be excluded due to religion, he can't be 
excluded because 
doing or not-doing any mental/spiritual practice. It's a by-invitation-only 
event. The 
university has the right to pick and choose who they invite to closed-door 
events.

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2006-07-31 Thread bob_brigante

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> something?
> 

I think Rick is saying that the diksha thing does not apply during 
meditation time, but is a laying on of hands thing that is used post-
meditation, so it would be funny for National to justify banning 
somebody from the dome because they would not be doing TM during their 
dome time. 

It's a bogus issue to me either way, because if TMers are supposed to 
be producing such a powerful influence of coherence, then a few people 
not on the same wavelength would be insignificant, just the like the 
many sleepers or drowsy people in the dome are not an important 
influence one way or the other.

I remember when I used to do group meditation at the TM center on 
campus, many of the Chinese and Indian students who did not practice 
TM were nevertheless required to attend the twice daily sessions, and 
some of them would listen to radios, most would sleep. Didn't make any 
difference to me, although I thought it was stupid to require people 
to show up for something they had no interest in.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
> getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
> thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
> program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
> Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
> something?

Some feel the TMO has no right to think he isn't
doing the official TM program, it seems.

Others feel the TMO has no right to throw him out
even if it was sure he wasn't doing the official TM
program.

Still others are upset because he was accepted for
the course initially and assume he got screwed out
of travel money and course fees when he was
subsequently ejected, except that it appears he lives
in town and the course is free.

Others think it's a case of religious discrimination
because he practices deeksha, and because MUM receives
federal funds, it isn't allowed to discriminate.

I believe one person suggested he could take the TMO
to court for humiliating him.

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2006-07-31 Thread Peter

I can't figure out why everybody (everybody?) is
getting their panties in a bunch over this. If the TMO
thinks that someone is not doing the official TM
program in the dome they don't want them to be there.
Is that what people are freaking over or am I missing
something?

--- inthislifetime300 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Sorry Judy,
> 
> David signature was not on the previous post.  It
> was at the bottom 
> of his website.
> 
> \--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "inthislifetime300" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well if anyone wants to contact David about a
> lawsuit, here is 
> his 
> > > contact info from his diksha website:
> > > 
> > > David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at
> Oneness 
> University 
> > in 
> > > October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in
> Fairfield with Nathan 
> > and 
> > > Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha
> and private deeksha 
> > > sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call
> David at
> > > 641-209-5793, or email him at bousfield@
> > > 
> > > David
> > 
> > David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity
> > of your religion?
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > For deeksha events around the world, see
> www.onenessmovement.org
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> > > > 
> > > > MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in
> fact be a 
> violation 
> > of 
> > > > federal law: you cannot exclude someone from
> an activity based 
> > upon 
> > > > their religion..and since MUM is federally
> funded, this law 
> > applies 
> > > to 
> > > > them.
> > > > 
> > > > This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha
> fellow does his 
> > program 
> > > > regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE
> his program time.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> > >
> > > on 7/31/06 8:09 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > > 
> > > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > > > of a specific religion?
> > > > 
> > > Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. But other religions
> > > have similar things.
> > 
> > Be a little difficult to charge religious
> > discrimination in a lawsuit, then, I imagine.
> 
> Please.
> 
> The guy practises the laying on of hands.
> 
> What do you call that, massage therapy?

No, see, that isn't the way it works, Shemp.

He'd have to prove he was a member of a particular
religion and that they threw him out because of his
belief in that religion.







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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer  wrote:
> >
> > on 7/31/06 8:09 PM, authfriend at jstein@ wrote:
> > 
> > > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > > of a specific religion?
> > > 
> > Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. But other religions 
have
> > similar things.
> 
> Be a little difficult to charge religious
> discrimination in a lawsuit, then, I imagine.
>

Please.

The guy practises the laying on of hands.

What do you call that, massage therapy?






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2006-07-31 Thread Sal Sunshine

Well, wouldn't meditation that includes the repetition of the names of Hindu deities be considered Hindu as well?  Seems to me they'd be compatible.

Sal


On Jul 31, 2006, at 8:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote:

OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
 of a specific religion?

Hindu related. You go to India to learn it.

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> on 7/31/06 8:09 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
> > of a specific religion?
> > 
> Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. But other religions have
> similar things.

Be a little difficult to charge religious
discrimination in a lawsuit, then, I imagine.

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on 7/31/06 8:09 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
of a specific religion?

Hindu related. You go to India to learn it. But other religions have similar things.

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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sorry Judy,
> 
> David signature was not on the previous post.  It was at the bottom 
> of his website.

OK.  Anybody know whether deeksha is a practice
of a specific religion?


> 
> \--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Well if anyone wants to contact David about a lawsuit, here is 
> his 
> > > contact info from his diksha website:
> > > 
> > > David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at Oneness 
> University 
> > in 
> > > October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in Fairfield with 
Nathan 
> > and 
> > > Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha and private 
deeksha 
> > > sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call David at
> > > 641-209-5793, or email him at bousfield@
> > > 
> > > David
> > 
> > David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity
> > of your religion?
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > For deeksha events around the world, see www.onenessmovement.org
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> > > > 
> > > > MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a 
> violation 
> > of 
> > > > federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity 
based 
> > upon 
> > > > their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law 
> > applies 
> > > to 
> > > > them.
> > > > 
> > > > This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his 
> > program 
> > > > regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program 
time.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>







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2006-07-31 Thread inthislifetime300

Sorry Judy,

David signature was not on the previous post.  It was at the bottom 
of his website.

\--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "inthislifetime300" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Well if anyone wants to contact David about a lawsuit, here is 
his 
> > contact info from his diksha website:
> > 
> > David Bousfield  attended the 21 day Process at Oneness 
University 
> in 
> > October, 2005. He is now giving Deeksha in Fairfield with Nathan 
> and 
> > Marie. In addition, David gives phone deeksha and private deeksha 
> > sessions in the privacy of your own home. Call David at
> > 641-209-5793, or email him at bousfield@
> > 
> > David
> 
> David, do you consider deeksha to be an activity
> of your religion?
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > For deeksha events around the world, see www.onenessmovement.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvatore Sunshine brought up a good point:
> > > 
> > > MUM's exclusion of that Diksha fellow may in fact be a 
violation 
> of 
> > > federal law: you cannot exclude someone from an activity based 
> upon 
> > > their religion..and since MUM is federally funded, this law 
> applies 
> > to 
> > > them.
> > > 
> > > This is assuming, of course, that the Diksha fellow does his 
> program 
> > > regularly and that he does the Diksha OUTSIDE his program time.
> > >
> >
>







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