[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
Dear Dave, How are you doing with that small advice? Have you made some effort to be helpful? It will feel fine, I promise that. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : http://i.imgur.com/rzwt7OB.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rzwt7OB.jpg
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
I took the Pulse Diagnosis Coure from MUM online. Boring. But, perhaps you are right, my mind might have been a little jumpy. There are worse things to have. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. That was Dr. Triguna's thing. I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India. I thought he called it pretty well. He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines. I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically. Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse diagnosis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : For the record a lot of alternative medicine is very science based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative mainstream science based medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem. On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
Rich, You are wealthy because you don't eat too much. Also, since you turned me on to a new TM=related book (Have you read Reflections on the Teachings of Maharishi: A personal Journey by John Hornburg? [sorry, the Italics button is stuck]), I'll explain myself further. This being NYC, there is a Farmer's Market just around the corner from Whole Foods. The word from there is that the Hole Foods produce sucks (technical term used by farmers who know their shit/manure). They show you the difference. Organic apples are not unblemished, organic peaches are not unblemished, organic,,,get it? Thanks for the book recommendation. I may need to pull away from this exciting time on ffl when the postman delivers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/26/2014 6:50 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: But Rich, Whole Paycheck will kill ya. Better off with Health Nuts (if the name fits, I wear it) or farmstands. But...Whole Paycheck is easy to shoplift. We are not big eaters anymore, so it only costs us a few dollars to buy some vegetables and some grains at the Whole Foods Market. It's not like we have a big family to feed anymore. Sometimes we eat out and that cost more. There is a farmer's market a few blocks away from where we live. We went to this place to eat some raw food: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : Maintaining a healthy diet is one of the most neglected aspects of modern medicine. Just to be on the safe side, we try to eat only organic foods and try to avoid all packaged food. It just makes common sense. Today we went to this place to get some bulk grains and organic vegetables: Whole Foods, San Antonio On 8/26/2014 6:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
On 8/27/2014 8:19 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Rich, You are wealthy because you don't eat too much. Also, since you turned me on to a new TM=related book (Have you read Reflections on the Teachings of Maharishi: A personal Journey by John Hornburg? [sorry, the Italics button is stuck]), I'll explain myself further. This being NYC, there is a Farmer's Market just around the corner from Whole Foods. The word from there is that the Hole Foods produce sucks (technical term used by farmers who know their shit/manure). Our local Whole Foods Market gets it's organic produce from the farmers market just around the corner or from a farm nearby. The best produce and most satisfying is the produce you grow in your own back yard. What most people don't realize when they purchase food is the /stress and heat factor/. All processed food is stressed to a certain extent and/or heated. This includes the process and the packaging itself and the transportation from the farm. Produce sometimes comes from as far away as Mexico and California. They show you the difference. Organic apples are not unblemished, organic peaches are not unblemished, organic,,,get it? The ideal would be to procure all or most of your food without using a harvesting device. Since this is close to impossible for most urban dwellers we have to be more flexible and make choices. Locally picked fruit and vegetables harvested by hand in your local area would be the best choice and imported and processed foods last. The best and most satisfying food we ever obtained were apples picked directly from the ground which had fallen the same day from fruit trees grown, but even then we had to drive to the orchard in a wheeled vehicle. Thanks for the book recommendation. I may need to pull away from this exciting time on ffl when the postman delivers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/26/2014 6:50 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: But Rich, Whole Paycheck will kill ya. Better off with Health Nuts (if the name fits, I wear it) or farmstands. But...Whole Paycheck is easy to shoplift. We are not big eaters anymore, so it only costs us a few dollars to buy some vegetables and some grains at the Whole Foods Market. It's not like we have a big family to feed anymore. Sometimes we eat out and that cost more. There is a farmer's market a few blocks away from where we live. We went to this place to eat some raw food: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : Maintaining a healthy diet is one of the most neglected aspects of modern medicine. Just to be on the safe side, we try to eat only organic foods and try to avoid all packaged food. It just makes common sense. Today we went to this place to get some bulk grains and organic vegetables: /Whole Foods, San Antonio/ On 8/26/2014 6:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org image http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 8:19 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Rich, You are wealthy because you don't eat too much. Also, since you turned me on to a new TM=related book (Have you read Reflections on the Teachings of Maharishi: A personal Journey by John Hornburg? [sorry, the Italics button is stuck]), I'll explain myself further. This being NYC, there is a Farmer's Market just around the corner from Whole Foods. The word from there is that the Hole Foods produce sucks (technical term used by farmers who know their shit/manure). Our local Hole Foods get's its 'organic produce' from Mexico, Chile et al. Then they claim it is Organic because it has been Crtified Organic in the growing country. The growers can only sell Organic Produce, so they print a lot of organic in dside stickers. I travel in Latin America and find it laughable, if you saw the growing conditions. Then...The Hole Foods Market becomes a magnet for the Nannys, most of whom miss their country so come to congregate. They are given a week's shopping list from their pretentious employer, and have no idea what these food items are. They weave down the isles, strollers plus wagons in tow. Because they would be found out otherwise, they are more likely to drop the child than the especial food item they are retrieving for the list. Entertaining though. Our local Whole Foods Market gets it's organic produce from the farmers market just around the corner or from a farm nearby. The best produce and most satisfying is the produce you grow in your own back yard. What most people don't realize when they purchase food is the stress and heat factor. All processed food is stressed to a certain extent and/or heated. This includes the process and the packaging itself and the transportation from the farm. Produce sometimes comes from as far away as Mexico and California. They show you the difference. Organic apples are not unblemished, organic peaches are not unblemished, organic,,,get it? The ideal would be to procure all or most of your food without using a harvesting device. Since this is close to impossible for most urban dwellers we have to be more flexible and make choices. Locally picked fruit and vegetables harvested by hand in your local area would be the best choice and imported and processed foods last. The best and most satisfying food we ever obtained were apples picked directly from the ground which had fallen the same day from fruit trees grown, but even then we had to drive to the orchard in a wheeled vehicle. Thanks for the book recommendation. I may need to pull away from this exciting time on ffl when the postman delivers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/26/2014 6:50 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: But Rich, Whole Paycheck will kill ya. Better off with Health Nuts (if the name fits, I wear it) or farmstands. But...Whole Paycheck is easy to shoplift. We are not big eaters anymore, so it only costs us a few dollars to buy some vegetables and some grains at the Whole Foods Market. It's not like we have a big family to feed anymore. Sometimes we eat out and that cost more. There is a farmer's market a few blocks away from where we live. We went to this place to eat some raw food: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : Maintaining a healthy diet is one of the most neglected aspects of modern medicine. Just to be on the safe side, we try to eat only organic foods and try to avoid all packaged food. It just makes common sense. Today we went to this place to get some bulk grains and organic vegetables: Whole Foods, San Antonio On 8/26/2014 6:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 9:53 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: The growers can only sell Organic Produce, so they print a lot of organic in dside stickers. I travel in Latin America and find it laughable, if you saw the growing conditions. I feel you with the grains. Used to be their main thing, now it's relegated to a corner in the basement. Love that Tamari. 60's! I just returned fromBuca Brick Oven Pizza. Talk about Iatalian. Waitress is Sardinian, serves me a couple of glasses of Trebbiano and a bottle of Morelli (I passed on the water). Got thru the Pizza Parmegiana (eggplant melts in your mouth) and on to the Tiramisu. When I'm passed all that, she takes me around the corner to Arco Cafe, a new Sardinian restaurant on Amsterdam. Taste some stuff. Move on. Need tosave room for dinner. We are not overly concerned about the organic certification because we don't eat food that would be typically contaminated with fumigants, such as strawberries, grapes and peaches or prepared juices, because we eat mostly locally grown produce such as lettuce, squash, carrots, and broccoli, that are certified organic in the USA by the Organic Trade Association (OTA). What we go for mostly at Whole Foods are the bulk whole grains, organic chicken, and a few imported condiments such as Shoyu or Tamari. We have found that the organic whole grain brown rice grown in Deaf Smith County suits our needs. But, we are not real big on carbohydrates anymore anyway - we mostly eat salads and vegetable soup and protein drinks we make in a blender. We are pretty big on filtered water. Go figure. However, we do partake of some genuine Tex-Mex dishes at our favorite restaurant, but always in moderation. http://theorganicpages.com/topo/companylisting.html?CompanyId=7351 http://theorganicpages.com/topo/companylisting.html?CompanyId=7351 Dinning with family and friends at Rosario's, San Antonio ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 8:19 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Rich, You are wealthy because you don't eat too much. Also, since you turned me on to a new TM=related book (Have you read Reflections on the Teachings of Maharishi: A personal Journey by John Hornburg? [sorry, the Italics button is stuck]), I'll explain myself further. This being NYC, there is a Farmer's Market just around the corner from Whole Foods. The word from there is that the Hole Foods produce sucks (technical term used by farmers who know their shit/manure). Our local Hole Foods get's its 'organic produce' from Mexico, Chile et al. Then they claim it is Organic because it has been Crtified Organic in the growing country. The growers can only sell Organic Produce, so they print a lot of organic in dside stickers. I travel in Latin America and find it laughable, if you saw the growing conditions. Then...The Hole Foods Market becomes a magnet for the Nannys, most of whom miss their country so come to congregate. They are given a week's shopping list from their pretentious employer, and have no idea what these food items are. They weave down the isles, strollers plus wagons in tow. Because they would be found out otherwise, they are more likely to drop the child than the especial food item they are retrieving for the list. Entertaining though. Our local Whole Foods Market gets it's organic produce from the farmers market just around the corner or from a farm nearby. The best produce and most satisfying is the produce you grow in your own back yard. What most people don't realize when they purchase food is the stress and heat factor. All processed food is stressed to a certain extent and/or heated. This includes the process and the packaging itself and the transportation from the farm. Produce sometimes comes from as far away as Mexico and California. They show you the difference. Organic apples are not unblemished, organic peaches are not unblemished, organic,,,get it? The ideal would be to procure all or most of your food without using a harvesting device. Since this is close to impossible for most urban dwellers we have to be more flexible and make choices. Locally picked fruit and vegetables harvested by hand in your local area would be the best choice and imported and processed foods last. The best and most satisfying food we ever obtained were apples picked directly from the ground which had fallen the same day from fruit trees grown, but even then we had to drive to the orchard in a wheeled vehicle. Thanks for the book recommendation. I may need to pull away from this exciting time on ffl when the postman delivers. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/26/2014 6:50 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
On 8/27/2014 3:26 PM, danfriedman2002 wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 9:53 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: The growers can only sell Organic Produce, so they print a lot of organic in dside stickers. I travel in Latin America and find it laughable, if you saw the growing conditions. I feel you with the grains. Used to be their main thing, now it's relegated to a corner in the basement. Love that Tamari. 60's! We started out using Kikkoman and then moved up to San-J Tamari but now we switched over to the organic San-J Shoyu. I just returned fromBuca Brick Oven Pizza. Talk about Iatalian. Waitress is Sardinian, serves me a couple of glasses of Trebbiano and a bottle of Morelli (I passed on the water). Got thru the Pizza Parmegiana (eggplant melts in your mouth) and on to the Tiramisu. When I'm passed all that, she takes me around the corner to Arco Cafe, a new Sardinian restaurant on Amsterdam. Taste some stuff. Move on. Need tosave room for dinner. We are not overly concerned about the organic certification because we don't eat food that would be typically contaminated with fumigants, such as strawberries, grapes and peaches or prepared juices, because we eat mostly locally grown produce such as lettuce, squash, carrots, and broccoli, that are certified organic in the USA by the Organic Trade Association (OTA). What we go for mostly at Whole Foods are the bulk whole grains, organic chicken, and a few imported condiments such as Shoyu or Tamari. We have found that the organic whole grain brown rice grown in Deaf Smith County suits our needs. But, we are not real big on carbohydrates anymore anyway - we mostly eat salads and vegetable soup and protein drinks we make in a blender. We are pretty big on filtered water. Go figure. However, we do partake of some genuine Tex-Mex dishes at our favorite restaurant, but always in moderation. http://theorganicpages.com/topo/companylisting.html?CompanyId=7351 /Dinning with family and friends at Rosario's, San Antonio/ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 8/27/2014 8:19 AM, danfriedman2002 wrote: Rich, You are wealthy because you don't eat too much. Also, since you turned me on to a new TM=related book (Have you read Reflections on the Teachings of Maharishi: A personal Journey by John Hornburg? [sorry, the Italics button is stuck]), I'll explain myself further. This being NYC, there is a Farmer's Market just around the corner from Whole Foods. The word from there is that the Hole Foods produce sucks (technical term used by farmers who know their shit/manure). Our local Hole Foods get's its 'organic produce' from Mexico, Chile et al. Then they claim it is Organic because it has been Crtified Organic in the growing country. The growers can only sell Organic Produce, so they print a lot of organic in dside stickers. I travel in Latin America and find it laughable, if you saw the growing conditions. Then...The Hole Foods Market becomes a magnet for the Nannys, most of whom miss their country so come to congregate. They are given a week's shopping list from their pretentious employer, and have no idea what these food items are. They weave down the isles, strollers plus wagons in tow. Because they would be found out otherwise, they are more likely to drop the child than the especial food item they are retrieving for the list. Entertaining though. Our local Whole Foods Market gets it's organic produce from the farmers market just around the corner or from a farm nearby. The best produce and most satisfying is the produce you grow in your own back yard. What most people don't realize when they purchase food is the /stress and heat factor/. All processed food is stressed to a certain extent and/or heated. This includes the process and the packaging itself and the transportation from the farm. Produce sometimes comes from as far away as Mexico and California. They show you the difference. Organic apples are not unblemished, organic peaches are not unblemished, organic,,,get it? The ideal would be to procure all or most of your food without using a harvesting device. Since this is close to impossible for most urban dwellers we have to be more flexible and make choices. Locally picked fruit and vegetables harvested by hand in your local area would be the best choice and imported and processed foods last. The best and most satisfying food we ever
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
I mean if you take away our Hypochondria AND our Paranoia, whata we got? Leave us something..please! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
For the record a lot of alternative medicine *is* very science based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative mainstream science based medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem. On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org image http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10170738_10151974954190877_1522489666_n.jpg?oh=74692e375a35b42f8feb970483dd07a8oe=546C092C__gda__=1417619932_50e261c0c9ef425f537203bea722ab7c
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
Who's the peanut gallery you are referring to? Are they promoting Peanut Cures. My esteemed colleague... George Washington Carver Before he invented the 300 uses for peanut butter, peanuts had to be discovered. His inventions of the many different crops gave people different kinds of food and created new markets for farmers. Who Invented Peanut Butter?- George Washington Carver. Dan, your supported in Peanut Butter Cores (Spread It On!) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : For the record a lot of alternative medicine is very science based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative mainstream science based medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem. On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
According to Eddie Murphy, George Washington Carver almost developed a phonograph needle from a peanut, instead got peanut butter. On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:40 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Who's the peanut gallery you are referring to? Are they promoting Peanut Cures. My esteemed colleague... George Washington Carver Before he invented the 300 uses for peanut butter, peanuts had to be discovered. His inventions of the many different crops gave people different kinds of food and created new markets for farmers. Who Invented Peanut Butter?- George Washington Carver. Dan, your supported in Peanut Butter Cores (Spread It On!) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : For the record a lot of alternative medicine is very science based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative mainstream science based medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem. On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
I follow the sage prescriptions of Dr Irwin Corey. He was able to developed a phonograph needle from a peanut but, regrettably, the 8-Track Tape caught him unaware. He recycled his brilliant invention in to, what is today known, as The Nut Cure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : According to Eddie Murphy, George Washington Carver almost developed a phonograph needle from a peanut, instead got peanut butter. On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 9:40 AM, danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Who's the peanut gallery you are referring to? Are they promoting Peanut Cures. My esteemed colleague... George Washington Carver Before he invented the 300 uses for peanut butter, peanuts had to be discovered. His inventions of the many different crops gave people different kinds of food and created new markets for farmers. Who Invented Peanut Butter?- George Washington Carver. Dan, your supported in Peanut Butter Cores (Spread It On!) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : For the record a lot of alternative medicine is very science based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative mainstream science based medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem. On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
But Rich, Whole Paycheck will kill ya. Better off with Health Nuts (if the name fits, I wear it) or farmstands. But...Whole Paycheck is easy to shoplift. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : Maintaining a healthy diet is one of the most neglected aspects of modern medicine. Just to be on the safe side, we try to eat only organic foods and try to avoid all packaged food. It just makes common sense. Today we went to this place to get some bulk grains and organic vegetables: Whole Foods, San Antonio On 8/26/2014 6:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
On 8/26/2014 11:15 AM, Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] wrote: For the record a lot of alternative medicine *is* very science based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative mainstream science based medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem. One of my favorite recipes: Ingredients: 1. Whole grain organic brown rice. 2. Spring or filtered water. Directions: In a stainless steel pot with a copper clad bottom, add 1 cup of washed rice and 2 cups of water. Cover. Bring to a boil. Cook on low flame until done. Optional: Serve in a bowl. Season to taste with San-J Shoyu or Tamari. Set a timer /if needed/ or meditate for twenty minutes. *Important notes on eating: *DO NOT REMOVE THE LID BEFORE THE RICE IS COOKED AND TEST IT WITH A FORK. DO NOT EAT THE RICE RAW WITHOUT COOKING FIRST. DO NOT EAT THE RICE ON A FULL STOMACH. DO NOT WATCH TV WHILE EATING OR RECLINING ON A SOFA. FOR BEST EFFECT, TRY TO SIT UP EITHER IN A CHAIR AND AT A TABLE . EAT THE RICE SLOWLY WHILE GAZING LOVINGLY AT YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER (if you have one), OTHERWISE, YOU MAY REPEAT Nyum nyum nyum IN A MODERATE TONE OF VOICE WHILE FEELING YOUR BODY AS A WHOLE. DO NOT VISUALIZE YOUR MOUTH AS JUST A CUP CAKE HOLE. BE AWARE OF EATING. ENJOY. On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org image http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them. https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10170738_10151974954190877_1522489666_n.jpg?oh=74692e375a35b42f8feb970483dd07a8oe=546C092C__gda__=1417619932_50e261c0c9ef425f537203bea722ab7c
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. That was Dr. Triguna's thing. I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India. I thought he called it pretty well. He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines. I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically. Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse diagnosis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : For the record a lot of alternative medicine is very science based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative mainstream science based medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem. On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
That kind of diagnosis is generally done by feeling the subdosha pulses. On 08/26/2014 06:24 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. That was Dr. Triguna's thing. I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India. I thought he called it pretty well. He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines. I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically. Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse diagnosis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : For the record a lot of alternative medicine *is* very science based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative mainstream science based medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem. On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org image http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below (some MDs might get a bit of a hitch in their panties over the mention of chiropractic, but that's about it). Most of them would LOVE it if their patients would just pay more attention to their diets and to getting enough exercise. But they don't. They want a quick cure. And they want it whether it comes from a Big Pharma pill or a homeopathic sugar pill or a Chinese tonic or an Ayurvedic potion. Health care providers -- whoever they are -- get pushed into the savior role because people go to them demanding the quick cure and shouting Cure me, cure me! They're not willing to do the work every day that keeps them healthy in the first place, so they expect someone else to do it for them.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Disease: Hypochondria
IN fact, Triguna's son took my pulse a few months after *I* had Hepatitus (got it from MY son who got it at daycare) and commented I had heat in my liver system. By the way, pulse diagnosis is part of the Maharish School curriculum. All the students practice it every day. And I believe it is taught in as part of the pre-med curriculum at MUM, but not sure. Interesting thing I just found out. Prodence Farrow, Mia Farrow's sister, has a PhD in Sanskrit from Berkley, and her PhD thesis was doing a translation and analysis of the 5 or 6 main Ayurvedic texts on pulse diagnosis. It's for sale through Amazon.com under her married name, Prudence Bruns: Nadivijnana: The Crest-Jewel of Ayurveda: A Translation of Six Central Texts and an Examination of the Sources, Influence and Development of Indian Pulse-Diagnosis http://www.amazon.com/Nadivijnana-Crest-Jewel-Translation-Examination-Pulse-Diagnosis/dp/3639306732/ref=la_B004ETKH74_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1409113390sr=1-1 http://www.amazon.com/Nadivijnana-Crest-Jewel-Translation-Examination-Pulse-Diagnosis/dp/3639306732/ref=la_B004ETKH74_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1409113390sr=1-1 Nadivijnana: The Crest-Jewel of Ayurveda: A Translation ... http://www.amazon.com/Nadivijnana-Crest-Jewel-Translation-Examination-Pulse-Diagnosis/dp/3639306732/ref=la_B004ETKH74_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1409113390sr=1-1 Nadivijnana: The Crest-Jewel of Ayurveda: A Translation of Six Central Texts and an Examination of the Sources, Influence and Development of Indian P... View on www.amazon... http://www.amazon.com/Nadivijnana-Crest-Jewel-Translation-Examination-Pulse-Diagnosis/dp/3639306732/ref=la_B004ETKH74_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1409113390sr=1-1 Preview by Yahoo NOT quite what we heard from Maharishi, some of it. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : I'm not hearing anyone talk much about pulse diagnosis these days. That was Dr. Triguna's thing. I recall getting a pulse diagnosis from him in India. I thought he called it pretty well. He said my mind was a little jumpy, or something along those lines. I would think pulse diagnosis could be tested scientifically. Say someone had a liver problem. That should be evident in a pulse diagnosis. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : For the record a lot of alternative medicine is very science based. Only the peanut gallery seems to think it isn't. There's a lot of university research out there that hasn't yet been implemented by the conservative mainstream science based medicine. But they're beginning to catch on and learning that the centuries old concepts of the metabolic causes of medicine that East Indians and Chinese use have some validity. Just like one size shoe won't fit us all neither does just one medical approach to a problem. On 08/26/2014 04:29 AM, anartaxius@... mailto:anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: The term allopathic, which is often used in a derogatory sense, was invented by Hahnemann, the creator of homoeopathy. So it is basically a quacks take on regular medicine, although at the time the term came into use, regular medicine was still pretty primitive, and probably not very effective. Today the term 'evidence-based medicine' is used, or 'science-based medicine'. Here is an interesting site that deals with various conflicts found between alternative therapies (which I usually call the alternative to medicine) and modern medical practice. Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine Science-Based Medicine: Exploring issues and controversies in the relationship between science and medicine View on www.sciencebasedm... Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : I've been staying out of the Alternative Therapies free-for-all for a number of reasons. First, it's been done to death here before, so the whole faux outrage thing has a decidedly been there, done that, don't need to do it again vibe to it. Second, possibly because I bailed from the TMO early, I never got infected with that uber-hypochondria that so many long-term TMers exhibit. I never got into fad diets or mega-supplements or any of that stuff, and have managed to remain remarkably healthy *anyway*, never having to go there and put any attention on my health. I've been lucky enough to be healthy and stay healthy...what was there to focus on or obsess on? Third, I currently write articles for all sorts of people in the health care industry. A few of them probably work for Big Pharma, but most are just everyday practitioners of allopathic medicine or chiropractic or some alternative practice or some mainstream specialty like cardiovascular medicine. And to a person I don't think any of them would disagree with the comments one of them put on the T-shirt below
[FairfieldLife] Re: Best TMO come backs
Charlie had a much better comeback, no? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price bobpriced@... wrote: I remembered a story today about Charlie Donahue being interviewed by Tom Synder. This may be a sign I've been spending to much time on FFL. In any event, its a good story and some may enjoy it. If you have different versions of these stories or other stories of good come backs I would enjoy reading them. Charlie was interviewed by Tom Synder. Tom liked to throw his guests off with an opening one liner. At the beginning of the interview Tom shook hands with Charlie and said: Tom Your hand's are wet, are you nervous? Charlie No, you've run out of paper towels in your bathroom. Another favourite of mine I remember the end but I'm not confident of my memory of the beginning. Someone rounding too much on teacher training in Fuggi asked Maharishi in evening theatre question period what he should do about a strong recurring thought he was having (not sure how clear the man was this first evening or if Maharishi understood what he was saying). Maharishi seemed to say the man should act out the thought. A night or two later the man came back on crutches and bandaged. He waited patiently in line for the mike and then explained to Maharishi that he had acted on his thought to thrown himself in front of a car and he had just returned from the hospital. In what seemed like not missing a beat Maharishi said (I'm paraphrasing) Its not good to put oneself under the wheel.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO disconnect from the real world
A few comments just in the interests of balance... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB turquoiseb@... wrote: Good raps, blusc0ut. I'll riff on the things it brought up for me -- not that my musings are what you had in mind, just that what you wrote got me to thinking about them. And -- as always -- these are just musings, theories, me trying in retrospect to make sense of something that probably doesn't make any. They are NOT a declaration of Truth or claim that this is what was going on. Basically, I've always wondered how much of the reclusive side of the TMO was a product of the social mindset of the organization, and how much was a product of the TM and TM- sidhi techniques themselves. I think a case can be made for either one, or both. The fear of contact with the real world thang can be seen (at least by me) as an extension of the Treat the meditators like children who can't handle themselves out in the real world mindset established in the first TM residence courses. Participants were actually for- bidden to leave the course and go into town, or to do work-related things, or do much of anything real. And make no mistake about it, this instruction was *never* for the benefit of the participants. When I worked at the Regional Office, I got to see the lists of instructions for residence course leaders sent from Seelisberg; they stated in clear terms that the reason we were to keep people from leaving courses was to prevent any possible embarrassment to the TMO. We were to make sure they didn't wander into some town and, being totally spaced-out, do something that would reflect badly on TM and the TMO. This treat them like children mindset was naturally extended to longer courses when they began to appear, and to the reclusive butt-bouncing communities or courses when they appeared. I don't think treat them like children actually applies, not if course participants *were* vulnerable to getting into messes if they left the course while spaced out. If they were vulnerable, what would the alternative be? What would treat them like adults mean if doing the course program as instructed rendered them incapable of acting like adults? Regardless of whether the reason for keeping participants from leaving was to prevent them from embarrassing the TMO or to prevent them from embarrassing themselves, if either concern was real, it would seem irresponsible not to do so. On the other hand, I can see that a lot of this fear of the real world comes from TM and the TM-sidhis itself. I have participated in meditation retreats from other traditions in which we were meditating 12 or more hours a day and there was no such suggestion to not go into town. Because there was no need for such a suggestion; no one was ever spaced out. The meditation worked as meditation was *supposed* to work, and created increased clarity and the ability to cope in the participants. So if something came up that required their attention in the real world, they were not only able to handle it, they (we) tended to do so more efficiently, and with no trace of spaced- out-ed-ness, only increased clarity of mind. Typical reports from TMers who went on courses were that they experienced increased clarity and ability to cope after the course was over. That was one of the reasons for going on courses in the first place. Further, it might be suggested that no one got spaced out on these courses from other traditions because the meditation wasn't as powerful as that practiced on the TM courses. On another level, I was exposed in the Rama trip to a very different model for what spiritual attainment meant. Everything in that org was presented in terms of Does it fly in the real world, or Does it have any value in the real world. There was never any sense of anyone having a day job, as opposed to their spiritual life. Our jobs *were* our spiritual lives, and an integral part of our sadhana. We were taught to use them as an opportunity to focus and excel, and taught that excellence in one's career was FAR more an indication of spiritual progress than any internal, subjective experience. On the other hand, the Rama trip has been perceived by some as very damaging and Lenz himself as a scam artist, collecting most of the money his followers made and having them lie on their resumes in order to be hired for high-paying jobs, among other things. Somehow that doesn't seem like an environment that would foster genuine spiritual progress. Compare and contrast to the TMO, in which many people didn't even *have* careers. Many of them followed the monk model and went all Purusha or Mother Divine, begging others for money so they never even *had* to work. Instead they got to focus on the subjective side of their lives, which was then *never tested* by exposing it to the real world. Many if not most Purusha and Mother Divine didn't join these programs on a permanent
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO disconnect from the real world
TurquoiseB: I have participated in meditation retreats from other traditions in which we were meditating 12 or more hours a day and there was no such suggestion to not go into town... Not sure which retreats you're citing. It's just a matter of degree. A retreat by definition indicates going to a place where you can meditate with groups for an extended time. Several years ago I attended a retreat with the late Shunryo Suzuki, who founded the San Francisco Zen Center. Soto Zen retreats are very strict - you are supposed to leave your shoes outside the door http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/shoes.htm . In contrast, I once attended a retreat with Jerry Jarvis and the event was very open and liberal. The center had plenty of free ice cream! But, I mean, who would want to pay all that money for a TMO retreat and then walk across the street to buy an ice cream cone? It doesn't make any sense.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
Is fabulous theatre, for anyone watching . Harris Kaplan gives the directors report: http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/19_jul_08.wmv The TM-org Multi-plex: https://capitalofworldpeace.org/Page2.html The Indians-Only-World Peace Movement: http://www.peace-movement.net/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raja of India Harris Kaplan on Guru Purnima . watch - listen - and learn the extant that revenues in the TMO will continue to be shipped to India. This is sobering, and unless the policies change dramatically, bodes ill for the TM movement in outside of India, as nearly all assets and future fund-raising will be sent to finance TM India's enormous infrastructure and pandit maintenance plans. What are they thinking ? Westerners would have to have severe guilt to accomodate the on-going abusive confiscatory attitude that will apparently continue to drain financial resources in the West for the benefit of India. http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/19_jul_08.wmv Om
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is fabulous theatre, for anyone watching . Harris Kaplan gives the directors report: http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/19_jul_08.wmv The TM-org Multi-plex: https://capitalofworldpeace.org/Page2.html The Indians-Only-World Peace Movement: http://www.peace-movement.net/ Sorry, this whole thing of Girish's still doesn't pass the smell test. Sure, they've added a page on da King (no doubt added after some back and forth with Holland) which is just a letter from him wishing the new organisation good luck... http://www.peace-movement.net/RajaRamMessage.html ...but the Administrative Structure still makes NO MENTION OF da King... http://www.peace-movement.net/Administrative.html Now, I ask you: if Girish truly wanted Holland and da King to be a part of things, wouldn't the all-important Administrative Structure at the very least have SOME MENTION OF HIM What would give you more assurance that Holland and da King (and for that matter Rajah-riffic Kaplan) are the top dogs in India: a letter of platitudes...or...actual mention as part of the administrative structure? Girish Varmint: a man appeased in the short term. A man not long for the TMO in the long term. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Raja of India Harris Kaplan on Guru Purnima . watch - listen - and learn the extant that revenues in the TMO will continue to be shipped to India. This is sobering, and unless the policies change dramatically, bodes ill for the TM movement in outside of India, as nearly all assets and future fund-raising will be sent to finance TM India's enormous infrastructure and pandit maintenance plans. What are they thinking ? Westerners would have to have severe guilt to accomodate the on-going abusive confiscatory attitude that will apparently continue to drain financial resources in the West for the benefit of India. http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/19_jul_08.wmv Om
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] It's as if Maharishi was playing Monopoly and at the time he died he had just landed on Marvin Gardens...so it is Marvin Gardens that gets built. Had he landed on Park Place just before he died, Kaplan would be devoting the rest of his life to building Park Place. Unfathomable is the way of Karma... Lawson
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:31 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: If Girish's website that he started a week or so is to be believed, he is just as or more into teaching Indians yoga as he is in teaching them TM. TM has been lost on the wayside. Then it would no longer be consciousness-based if that were the case. I doubt we'll see TM left by the wayside, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was sold more reasonably in India as an intro to other services they sell, a gateway drug, if you will. India is the perfect place to sell this brand of Vedic creation science and American and Europeans the perfect suckers to provide the venture capital.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:32 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO If Girish's website that he started a week or so is to be believed, he is just as or more into teaching Indians yoga as he is in teaching them TM. What's the link to Girish's website? http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html Here's what I am referring to (from the above webpage) and how TM seems lost in the shuffle: Maharishi World Peace Movement has following ten points initial action plan: We all love peace, and are willing to do any thing, every thing that is possible for achieving ever-lasting peace in India and through India for the whole World family. All Participants will do Yogasanas, Pranayam, will practice Maharishi Transcendental Meditation, TM-Sidhi Programme, Advance Techniques twice daily. We will provide invincibility through prevention. Our practical approach isHeyam Dukham Anagatam. This approach is applicable in every area of human life; education, health, agriculture, defence, economy, rehabilitation, construction, administration etc. We will follow and be guided by the supreme Laws of Naturewill of God. We will construct and use properly oriented Vastu homes, schools, hospitals, offices, industrial buildings, villages and cities to gain maximum support of Nature. We will eat Vedic organic food and will not eat any food, which contains poisonous chemicals. We will take care of our health through Maharishi Vedic Approach to Health. We will prevent problems by individual and collective Graha Shanti, Vastu Shanti and Yagyas. We will create harmony within individuals and nations by natural heavenly melodies of Gandharva Ved. We will enliven all beautiful evolutionary qualities of nature within our own Atma-the Self by reading and listening Ved and other aspects of Vedic Literature
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:32 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO If Girish's website that he started a week or so is to be believed, he is just as or more into teaching Indians yoga as he is in teaching them TM. What's the link to Girish's website?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:32 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO If Girish's website that he started a week or so is to be believed, he is just as or more into teaching Indians yoga as he is in teaching them TM. What's the link to Girish's website? http://www.peace-movement.net/ Now contains links to TM movement websites and an endorsement from Maharajadhiraj Nader Raam. Dear Girish Ji, Congratulations on your new organization; I wish you great success in continuing to lead India-the land of the Veda to Heaven on Earth and through India create world peace and enlightenment to every nation. You are one of our greatest and most beloved leaders and everyone wishes to contribute in everyway he can to insure your success. There is no doubt on the pure and sublime purpose and success of Maharishi Vishwa Shanti Andolan. May you have all glory and success and Guru Dev and Maharishi's blessings be always with you. Jai Guru Dev Raja Raam
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
and the benevolent Raja of India, Harris Kaplan, with his wife, whom he described as the Mother of the Movement has the gaul to claim the entire anticipated proceeds from a future sale of three valuable pieces of TMO land in Florida, Texas, and Japan will be sent to India. Raja Kaplan also claims anticipated increased monthly donations from Howard Settle, the benefactor of the Invincible America assemby, will be dedicated to the Indian TMO. Raja Kaplan envisions personally moving permanently to India to bask in the atmosphere of the Brahmastan and the future multiple-thousands of pandits that will be living there, and he suggests that's where everyone in the movement will want to live, too. Oh, What a lovely Tme it will be, as Raja Kaplan completely fleeces thee. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 27, 2008, at 1:31 AM, shempmcgurk wrote: If Girish's website that he started a week or so is to be believed, he is just as or more into teaching Indians yoga as he is in teaching them TM. TM has been lost on the wayside. Then it would no longer be consciousness-based if that were the case. I doubt we'll see TM left by the wayside, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was sold more reasonably in India as an intro to other services they sell, a gateway drug, if you will. India is the perfect place to sell this brand of Vedic creation science and American and Europeans the perfect suckers to provide the venture capital.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Girish's website that he started a week or so is to be believed, e is just as or more into teaching Indians yoga as he is in teaching them TM. Based on the below, I really don't get that impression. This is standard TMO boiler plate as far as I'm concerned, right down the line. I mean, just including pranayam and asanas does not make straying IMO. In fact, I kind of admire the little rascal. Somebody threw him the ball, and he's trying to keep the game alive. http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html Here's what I am referring to (from the above webpage) and how TM seems lost in the shuffle: Maharishi World Peace Movement has following ten points initial action plan: We all love peace, and are willing to do any thing, every thing that is possible for achieving ever-lasting peace in India and through India for the whole World family. All Participants will do Yogasanas, Pranayam, will practice Maharishi Transcendental Meditation, TM-Sidhi Programme, Advance Techniques twice daily. We will provide invincibility through prevention. Our practical approach isHeyam Dukham Anagatam. This approach is applicable in every area of human life; education, health, agriculture, defence, economy, rehabilitation, construction, administration etc. We will follow and be guided by the supreme Laws of Naturewill of God. We will construct and use properly oriented Vastu homes, schools, hospitals, offices, industrial buildings, villages and cities to gain maximum support of Nature. We will eat Vedic organic food and will not eat any food, which contains poisonous chemicals. We will take care of our health through Maharishi Vedic Approach to Health. We will prevent problems by individual and collective Graha Shanti, Vastu Shanti and Yagyas. We will create harmony within individuals and nations by natural heavenly melodies of Gandharva Ved. We will enliven all beautiful evolutionary qualities of nature within our own Atma-the Self by reading and listening Ved and other aspects of Vedic Literature
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: On Behalf Of shempmcgurk Girish's website that he started a week or so is to be believed, e is just as or more into teaching Indians yoga as he is in teaching them TM. Based on the below, I really don't get that impression. This is standard TMO boiler plate as far as I'm concerned, right down the line. I mean, just including pranayam and asanas does not make straying IMO. In fact, I kind of admire the little rascal. Somebody threw him the ball, and he's trying to keep the game alive. http://peace-movement.net/introductin.html My own take is that it WAS a power struggle and that Girish won the first round. Which is why Kaplan is moving to India, to assert some authority. There's also a hint that all the Rajas may eventually end up living in INdia, presumably as guests of King Tony, thereby shifting the powerbase to INdia in such a way that Girish can't start another one of these wonderful projects without anyone in the official hierarchy knowing about it. But, it appears to be a struggle for power WITHIN the organization, not a breakaway rebellion. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
There goes the money? At present Maharishi Vishwa Shanti Andolan (Maharishi World Peace Movement) is being launched in India for Indian Citizens. Please note that only Indian Citizens can participate in this Peace Movement. If Girish's website that he started a week or so is to be believed, he is just as or more into teaching Indians yoga as he is in teaching them TM. What's the link to Girish's website? http://www.peace-movement.net/ Now contains links to TM movement websites and an endorsement from Maharajadhiraj Nader Raam. Dear Girish Ji, Congratulations on your new organization; At present Maharishi Vishwa Shanti Andolan (Maharishi World Peace Movement) is being launched in India for Indian Citizens. Please note that only Indian Citizens can participate in this Peace Movement. I wish you great success in continuing to lead India-the land of the Veda to Heaven on Earth and through India create world peace and enlightenment to every nation. You are one of our greatest and most beloved leaders and everyone wishes to contribute in everyway he can to insure your success. There is no doubt on the pure and sublime purpose and success of Maharishi Vishwa Shanti Andolan. May you have all glory and success and Guru Dev and Maharishi's blessings be always with you. Jai Guru Dev Raja Raam
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Raja of India Harris Kaplan on Guru Purnima . watch - listen - and learn the extant that revenues in the TMO will continue to be shipped to India. This is sobering, and unless the policies change dramatically, bodes ill for the TM movement in outside of India, (snip) Here again, could just be the need of the time. The numbers are established here, and the level of interest here, has faded, as we all know. So, we can see, that TM, now would greatly take off in India, as they are attempting to become like us capitalist American's... And it fits in with their culture more, which is obvious. In a way, I feel Maharishi needed to prove himself in the West; In order to promote and maintain the Vedic Values of India; Which I feel was his main goal. In the meantime, he used (in a sort of Capricorn way) -The United States of America, just like everyone else does.(safely in the hands of his current devotees, and pundits. Besides India, is in danger today, of Islamic extememist... From what I hear, it's not so safe there now, because of this; So, it is the 'need of the time?'... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raja of India Harris Kaplan on Guru Purnima . watch - listen - and learn the extant that revenues in the TMO will continue to be shipped to India. This is sobering, and unless the policies change dramatically, bodes ill for the TM movement in outside of India, as nearly all assets and future fund-raising will be sent to finance TM India's enormous infrastructure and pandit maintenance plans. What are they thinking ? Westerners would have to have severe guilt to accomodate the on-going abusive confiscatory attitude that will apparently continue to drain financial resources in the West for the benefit of India. http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/19_jul_08.wmv ** It's called bang for the buck. Emphasizing the movement in India is the only thing that makes sense for all parties. In the U.S., names of public schools where the kids practice TM are being held confidential because of all the hoo-ha about whatza religion and what aint ( see http://tinyurl.com/5qzw2v )-- there is none of this crap in India, where 820 million Hindus are a ready market for M-schools and punditry. And, once enough Hindus are practicing TM (Girish Varma is looking to initiate 10 million ASAP), Western financial support will be a drop in the bucket -- if those crore TMers in India give an average donation of 5000 rupees/yr (~$100 USD), the TMO will have an annual fund from this alone of a billion USD/yr.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raja of India Harris Kaplan on Guru Purnima . watch - listen - and learn the extant that revenues in the TMO will continue to be shipped to India. This is sobering, and unless the policies change dramatically, bodes ill for the TM movement in outside of India, as nearly all assets and future fund-raising will be sent to finance TM India's enormous infrastructure and pandit maintenance plans. What are they thinking ? Westerners would have to have severe guilt to accomodate the on-going abusive confiscatory attitude that will apparently continue to drain financial resources in the West for the benefit of India. http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/19_jul_08.wmv The video link you provide, mainstream, is about 2 hours long. I got to the 15-minute mark and it was a real bore-fest. But I think I got the gist of it. And, yes, we're talking billions upon billions of U.S. dollars to build what is projected here...and the key to understanding the enormity of it was when Kaplan quoted Maharishi saying something to the effect: nature doesn't like anything on a small scale (boy, I wish I made note of the time on the video he said that so I could quote it verbatim...what a doozy!). I mean, there is supposed to be about a dozen of these enormous pundit farms where they live, eat, and chant...each one looks like a Mormon version of Disneyland with austere-looking building and manicured landscapes, etc. And, of course, this was all Maharishi plans...and while Kaplan was showing his slides of the architect's projections of these things, I couldn't help thinking that if and when these places get built it will only be because Maharishi died right after coming up with it. Had he lived, say, another 2 or 3 years he would, of course, have gone on to something else and all of this project would have been completely forgotten and abandoned, just as 99% of all his projects never came to fruition. It's as if Maharishi was playing Monopoly and at the time he died he had just landed on Marvin Gardens...so it is Marvin Gardens that gets built. Had he landed on Park Place just before he died, Kaplan would be devoting the rest of his life to building Park Place.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: Raja of India Harris Kaplan on Guru Purnima . watch - listen - and learn the extant that revenues in the TMO will continue to be shipped to India. This is sobering, and unless the policies change dramatically, bodes ill for the TM movement in outside of India, as nearly all assets and future fund-raising will be sent to finance TM India's enormous infrastructure and pandit maintenance plans. What are they thinking ? Westerners would have to have severe guilt to accomodate the on-going abusive confiscatory attitude that will apparently continue to drain financial resources in the West for the benefit of India. http://streaming.mou.org/MOU/Chat/19_jul_08.wmv ** It's called bang for the buck. Emphasizing the movement in India is the only thing that makes sense for all parties. In the U.S., names of public schools where the kids practice TM are being held confidential because of all the hoo-ha about whatza religion and what aint ( see http://tinyurl.com/5qzw2v )-- there is none of this crap in India, where 820 million Hindus are a ready market for M-schools and punditry. And, once enough Hindus are practicing TM (Girish Varma is looking to initiate 10 million ASAP), Western financial support will be a drop in the bucket -- if those crore TMers in India give an average donation of 5000 rupees/yr (~$100 USD), the TMO will have an annual fund from this alone of a billion USD/yr. If Girish's website that he started a week or so is to be believed, he is just as or more into teaching Indians yoga as he is in teaching them TM. TM has been lost on the wayside.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out TMO experience summed up in one New Yorker cartoon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3anaeb The FFL experience summed up in one Internet cartoon: http://xkcd.com/386/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out TMO experience summed up in one New Yorker cartoon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3anaeb The FFL experience summed up in one Internet cartoon: http://xkcd.com/386/ I thought Turq's head was smaller but funny nonetheless :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Out TMO experience summed up in one New Yorker cartoon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: http://tinyurl.com/3anaeb The FFL experience summed up in one Internet cartoon: http://xkcd.com/386/ I thought Turq's head was smaller but funny nonetheless :-) ba-da-bing!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post TMO View of Meaning in Life
Ok, I'll bite. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a recent conversation, someone mentioned Frankl's book -- Mans Search for Meaning -- which i read some time ago -- but when I was wrapped up in a TMO world view. I began reflecting on it. Frankl, as I refreshed my memory on a website, said there is not abstract meaning of life, but only meaning in the context of moment, in any given action -- and having the freedom to define that moment (that is the freedom to view any circumstance in ones on view -- in a positive view.) Thats my quick take -- I am sure some of that is mangled. But it conveys the essence of it pretty well, IMO. I guess it goes without saying that I tend to agree with him. I was wondering what others think. Perhaps there will be some cute, some dismissive responses. No problem -- particularly if there are some well considered views offered up. Would the more well-considered views make the thread more meaningful? :-) Some tangental questions: Meaningfulness vs purposefulness -- can something be purposeful but not meaningful? Absolutely. IMO, of course. I'm not a big person for searching for meaning in life. I'm not convinced life has any meaning at all. And y'know...I don't miss it. :-) The TMO -- the purpose of life is expansion of happiness. Fine. But is there meaning in happiness -- and its expansion? That's what some choose to believe. Me, I don't. If the seeming *purpose* of life is expansion, that does NOT imply to me that that's the *meaning* of life. It's just what seems to be happening, not *why* it's happening. Maybe there ISN'T a *why*. Socrates asked what is the good life -- a life well spent. is that the same as meaningfulness? Not in my opinion. That's more like life as purpose- fulness. We're back to the conversation with Dana Sawyer that Rick posted here recently. There are all sorts of inner revelations and perceptions of the meaning of life that one could have subject- ively. We hear them every day on this forum. But the real bottom line for Dana -- and for me -- is, Do these subjective experiences of 'higher' states of consciousness actually seem to change the person's everyday behavior in a way that most people watching them from the outside -- objectively -- would agree is beneficial for humanity? If not, then what worth do these subjective experiences actually HAVE? Meaningfulness vs. purposefulness. One can have cool revelations all day, but if one never puts them to any purpose for the benefit of others, what meaning have they really *found*, eh? SSRS said a couple of things that stuck with me. Paraphrasing Don't take life too seriously. It all doesn't matter Sort of a nihilistic approach -- but in a good way :) I don't see it as nihilistic in any way. More accurate than anything else. The only people who might get uptight at the suggestion that life might have NO meaning at all are those who are heavily attached to their lives *having* meaning. From my point of view, a lot of people really seem to NEED their lives to have meaning. So they glom onto whatever meaning seems most appropriate to them. Cool, I guess. Me, I'm fairly comfortable with my life having no meaning at all, just being a dance from here to here, from Then (another form of now) to Now (the latest and greatest form of now). H. Now that I think of it, dance may be the proper metaphor for what I'm feeling as I type this, thinking out loud. Think Snoopy in the Peanuts comic strip, doing his Dance To Spring, twirling away, waving his hands (uh...paws) flung in the air, clearly enjoying his life so much that it bursts out of him in spon- taneous and joyful dance. Does Snoopy's dance MEAN anything? Is it symbolic of something? Does it have layers and layers of meaning attached to it? Is it part of God's plan? Or is it just dance? I'm not convinced that the dance of life has meaning. But it sure does have purpose. The purpose of Snoopy's dance was to make millions of readers smile with the remembrance that someone *can* dance like that. If one or two of them did, inspired by Snoopy's example, then Charles Schultz's life had purpose. But that doesn't necessarily give it meaning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post TMO View of Meaning in Life
snip SSRS said a couple of things that stuck with me. Paraphrasing Don't take life too seriously. It all doesn't matter Sort of a nihilistic approach -- but in a good way :) Also Don't Strive! Just drop it Thus perhaps leading to a conclusion that there is not meaning in life -- life is hollow and empty. Meaning is only in THAT. (or Dat) FYI - A somewhat useful summary page about the different ways to understand the meaning of life question is available by searching on either meaning or meaning of life on Wiki. SSRS even gets a quote displayed on the wiki page. empty
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post TMO View of Meaning in Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I'm not a big person for searching for meaning in life. I'm not convinced life has any meaning at all. FWIW, this is one point on which I agree with Barry. I don't even think the phrase meaning of life has any meaning.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post TMO View of Meaning in Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a recent conversation, someone mentioned Frankl's book -- Mans Search for Meaning -- which i read some time ago -- but when I was wrapped up in a TMO world view. I began reflecting on it. Frankl, as I refreshed my memory on a website, said there is not abstract meaning of life, but only meaning in the context of moment, in any given action -- and having the freedom to define that moment (that is the freedom to view any circumstance in ones on view -- in a positive view.) Thats my quick take -- I am sure some of that is mangled. I was wondering what others think. Perhaps there will be some cute, some dismissive responses. No problem -- particularly if there are some well considered views offered up. Some tangental questions: Meaningfulness vs purposefulness -- can something be purposeful but not meaningful? The TMO -- the purpose of life is expansion of happiness. Fine. But is there meaning in happiness -- and its expansion? Socrates asked what is the good life -- a life well spent. is that the same as meaningfulness? SSRS said a couple of things that stuck with me. Paraphrasing Don't take life too seriously. It all doesn't matter Sort of a nihilistic approach -- but in a good way :) Also Don't Strive! Just drop it Thus perhaps leading to a conclusion that there is not meaning in life -- life is hollow and empty. Meaning is only in THAT. (or Dat) I'd suggest yes, the particle finds meaning only in THAT, and in turn THAT finds meaning only in the particle -- both in a sense needing each other for maximum Life, or for a current of attention/Love to flow and give a sense of purpose, learning, expansion, joy, and so on ... :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Post TMO View of Meaning in Life
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning no_reply@ wrote: In a recent conversation, someone mentioned Frankl's book -- Mans Search for Meaning -- which i read some time ago -- but when I was wrapped up in a TMO world view. I began reflecting on it. Frankl, as I refreshed my memory on a website, said there is not abstract meaning of life, but only meaning in the context of moment, in any given action -- and having the freedom to define that moment (that is the freedom to view any circumstance in ones on view -- in a positive view.) Thats my quick take -- I am sure some of that is mangled. I was wondering what others think. Perhaps there will be some cute, some dismissive responses. No problem -- particularly if there are some well considered views offered up. Some tangental questions: Meaningfulness vs purposefulness -- can something be purposeful but not meaningful? The TMO -- the purpose of life is expansion of happiness. Fine. But is there meaning in happiness -- and its expansion? Socrates asked what is the good life -- a life well spent. is that the same as meaningfulness? SSRS said a couple of things that stuck with me. Paraphrasing Don't take life too seriously. It all doesn't matter Sort of a nihilistic approach -- but in a good way :) Also Don't Strive! Just drop it Thus perhaps leading to a conclusion that there is not meaning in life -- life is hollow and empty. Meaning is only in THAT. (or Dat) I'd suggest yes, the particle finds meaning only in THAT, and in turn THAT finds meaning only in the particle -- both in a sense needing each other for maximum Life, or for a current of attention/Love to flow and give a sense of purpose, learning, expansion, joy, and so on ... :-) Don't take life too seriously. It all doesn't matter-- could be said this way: To not 'take' life, don't usurp, don't be bound to what life offers of its own, too seriously, (because) it all doesn't (consist of) matter.:-) Don't strive! Just drop it!-- perhaps because the ego in a state of ignorance will strive to continue its own blindness, no matter what its endeavor. Just drop it, means plummet to the infinite depths of the transcendent instead, and discover the true meaning of Life.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: FF/TMO Relationships
Actually Michael Dimick dated Lindsey Oliver for quite a while when she was an MIU student. Back in the early 80s. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Louis McKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the old days Michael was never with any woman.. - Original Message From: new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 1:09:12 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] FF/TMO Relationships --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Michael Dimick ended up with her. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Large TMO Intro Courses, Rounding and Yogic Flying Appear to Preceed Large G
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at an actual chart, I am not sure why you feel the need for snideness. The link I refer to has a number charts I created. Perhaps you should look at the link. And this particular post to which you are responding refers to about 10 potential TMO impacts from 1967 to present. So your, your reponse to this post is um, incoherent. :) Thus I assume you are actually commenting about prior posts, on another thread, refering to this last week being the largest gain in two years, 3%. Sure this last weeks gains are in the upper part of a trading range since June. My charts, if you would look, were constructed to identify long-run trendlines going back to 2003 and to see if the current course has an impact outside the index's long-run trend. If it breaks out of its two month trading range this next week it will be as interesting as this week 2-year largest gain. And beyond that, as I say on the blog that has the charts, With a 5% additional rise in the next several weeks would, the index would cross its long run (statistical) regression-based trendline, that is, its movement would be indicative of a normal correction towards equillibrium. With a 20% additional rise of the index over the next 10 weeks or so, the index would exceed its upper 1 standard deviation bound -- the general boundary for deviations of the index from its long-run trend line. This would be indicative of a possible SIGNIFICANT effect from the course, and not simply the index following its long run trend, with normal deviations. If the 20% + rise increase over the next 6-10 weeks did occur, breaking its normal deviation from its long run trend, and assuming the course continues that long, and if after the end of course the index declined back below its long-run statistical trendline, it would be noteworthy. you'll see that the SP index is merely at the upper end of a trading range. If the buying does not continue, it may return back down to 1224. --- new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://2006-course-effects.blogspot.com/ Holy Shit!!! Maybe this thing is real. :) I looked at the major Intro Courses, Rounding and Yogic Flying courses in relation to SP500. At first glance, there appears to be a phenomenal correlation. See graph on link. Verticl lines indicate start of new major TMO initiative. Text descriptor for each verticl line begins to the immeidiate right of each vertical bar. However, the market has been in a long-run upward trend since the beginning of the graph (1960) and coincidence cannot be ruled out. Correlation is not causation. The case for causation become strong if the market reverses when major courses are reduced or stopped. One example of this is the period 1973-1975, after Mallorca III , Fuigii and initial La Antilla -- when the emphasis was on starting MIU -- and less on intro and TTC/rounding courses. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Large TMO Intro Courses, Rounding and Yogic Flying Appear to Preceed Large G
I was not trying to be snide at all, but was just pointing out what the market has been doing recently, and only recently. I am interested in seeing if the market goes up during the first big course in quite a while, but it looked pretty obvious to me that the market has been in a trading range and, having just reached a previous pivot, may drop back to the recent lows. Usually, a trading range will have about three bottom pivots and three top pivots before the market breaks out for a prolonged trend higher or lower. That's just how the market trades. That's why I suggested looking at a recent chart. I was going to provide a link, but I did not think it would work properly. I did not look at any of your past data. I didn't even know you had charts up. http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?c=$spx,uu[h,a]daolniay[pb7!b21!f][vc60][iut] --- new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you look at an actual chart, I am not sure why you feel the need for snideness. The link I refer to has a number charts I created. Perhaps you should look at the link. And this particular post to which you are responding refers to about 10 potential TMO impacts from 1967 to present. So your, your reponse to this post is um, incoherent. :) Thus I assume you are actually commenting about prior posts, on another thread, refering to this last week being the largest gain in two years, 3%. Sure this last weeks gains are in the upper part of a trading range since June. My charts, if you would look, were constructed to identify long-run trendlines going back to 2003 and to see if the current course has an impact outside the index's long-run trend. If it breaks out of its two month trading range this next week it will be as interesting as this week 2-year largest gain. And beyond that, as I say on the blog that has the charts, With a 5% additional rise in the next several weeks would, the index would cross its long run (statistical) regression-based trendline, that is, its movement would be indicative of a normal correction towards equillibrium. With a 20% additional rise of the index over the next 10 weeks or so, the index would exceed its upper 1 standard deviation bound -- the general boundary for deviations of the index from its long-run trend line. This would be indicative of a possible SIGNIFICANT effect from the course, and not simply the index following its long run trend, with normal deviations. If the 20% + rise increase over the next 6-10 weeks did occur, breaking its normal deviation from its long run trend, and assuming the course continues that long, and if after the end of course the index declined back below its long-run statistical trendline, it would be noteworthy. you'll see that the SP index is merely at the upper end of a trading range. If the buying does not continue, it may return back down to 1224. --- new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://2006-course-effects.blogspot.com/ Holy Shit!!! Maybe this thing is real. :) I looked at the major Intro Courses, Rounding and Yogic Flying courses in relation to SP500. At first glance, there appears to be a phenomenal correlation. See graph on link. Verticl lines indicate start of new major TMO initiative. Text descriptor for each verticl line begins to the immeidiate right of each vertical bar. However, the market has been in a long-run upward trend since the beginning of the graph (1960) and coincidence cannot be ruled out. Correlation is not causation. The case for causation become strong if the market reverses when major courses are reduced or stopped. One example of this is the period 1973-1975, after Mallorca III , Fuigii and initial La Antilla -- when the emphasis was on starting MIU -- and less on intro and TTC/rounding courses. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links *
[FairfieldLife] Re: Of TMO Spiritual War Crimes...
I was asked to do the solicitations and process the money. I did not understand the criminal activity as it was happening. I have never had my own hand in the till. I was just given a mantra. feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had a good laugh at this. Doug's on a real trip here. Feste37, who ever you are, I'm glad you liked my post. They often seem to strike a nerve with you. Kind Regards, -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nayakanayaka nayaka@ wrote: Could someone please ask Dr. Hagelin to help us to understand and solve this koan: 1. why has the movement over years systematically emptied the MUM golden domes and other places around the world where sidhas used to assemble in great numbers, by putting all kinds of absurd restrictions on people, with the result that the coherence that had been achieved was lost in many countries, 2. why are we as the only ones who can save the world now urged to assemble again. Thoughtful greetings, Dear nayakanayaka Dr. Hagelin, he just can't answer these. It is a theocracy he is in and a theocracy that you are asking the question of. They have never candidly answered things asked like these. It will have to be in a different forum and different process to have truthful answers to questions like these and to come to any possible justice over them. Consider parts of the peace processes similar to publicly holding those responsible for WWII out in public, like the Nuremberg Trials. Testimony, indictments, convictions, sentencings. Public. Public reconcilling to the truth of what happened. Will be a place for the coming of The Vlodrop Trials? Well, for as enormous the hope for world peace had been in a technique, a spiritual practice technique so verified in peer review study, and for how badly the promulgation of that hope has been done on any accounting of it, are we not talking criminal activity against mankind; talking of 'Spiritual War Crimes against humanity' of a Ravanaic dimensia against humanity. Is it not time to open a war crimes investigation, a grand jury against MMY and those who have enabled him inside the many guises of the TMO worldwide? The TMO, a worldwise spiritual movement obstructed, misguided and then misused for private aggrandizement and purpose against humanity. A Courts Marshall? A Grand Jury investigation? From the transcript of The Vlodrop Trials: I was not aware of these criminal activities as they were happening. Everytihing sounded so good and real. I was only given a mantra. . At the time, separating rich Westerners and Americans in particular from their money did not seem to be wrong because it was such an important world peace project we were doing. I was not aware of these spiritual criminal activities as they were happening. I was only given a mantra. -American national, attorney by training. Age 64.. We were told that what we were doing was more important then anything else going on. I just lent my credentials and persuasive skills as a public speaker not know of the scope of the spiritual criminal activities underneath. I was just given a mantra. -An American national, architect by training and profession, age 58. I was asked to do the solicitations and process the money. I did not understand the criminal activity as it was happening. I have never had my own hand in the till. I was just given a mantra. -An American national, sensitive, liberally educated and university graduate, age 62. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM? I would guess that. But then from what I observed, Mitch had a kind of wicked witty sense of humor. His using the Lotus name might have been meant as something ironic -- but still something that might appeal to consumers. In France the name of the leading brand of toilet tissue is Lotus. They must have been influenced by Indian culture as well...possibly by going to India and finding no toilet tissue available. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Fylstra, the founder of Personal Software/VisiCorp was also a TM meditator and was married to a governor. He had a few Cambridge Center sidhis working for him back in 1978. I was one of them. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116166,pg,3,00.asp Did Dan Bricklin do any meditation? Tell us some good early insider VisiCalc stories. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] There is a lesson to be learned in this comparison, IMO, but it *wasn't* learned, and now it's too late. In the modern world of meditation and self discovery, the TMO is as irrelevant as VisiCorp is to the modern software industry. Who can say? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk into the early computer stores saying, I want a VisiCalc. The clerks would say, No, what you want is a computer, on which you can run VisiCalc. And the customer would say, Whatever. Just sell me a VisiCalc. They had the market pretty much cornered, just like the TMO did with meditation in the early days. For a while there, back in the late 60's and most of the 70s, if you thought meditation, you thought Transcendental Meditation. TM had become the VisiCalc of meditation. And then, on the VisiCorp side, the founders of the company got greedy and complacent and lost touch with their customer base. They doubled and tripled the price of their product without adding any new features, and reduced the quality of their after-sale customer service. Along came Lotus, and within a year or two VisiCorp was bankrupt, no longer even a player in the market. (As an aside, since I was there for this particular debacle, when VisiCorp went belly up, Ashton-Tate did the stupidest thing ever done in the history of business and hired VisiCorp's whole upper management team to replace president George Tate, who had thoughtlessly died on them. Within a year and a half, the geniuses who had driven VisiCorp into bankruptcy had driven Ashton-Tate into bankruptcy, too.) (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer -- stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp, *it* got lazy and complacent and out of touch with its customer base and lost the entire market to Microsoft and Excel, as well.) Yes, an excellent comparison. But you forgot to mention OpenOffice and their spreadsheet; fewer features but all that one needs is there for $0.00. Your metaphor breaks down in one respect. TM is a very much better product than others available if obtained with the checking support which originally came as standard (and now may not do so). Many of TM's competitors are simply crap. Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk into the early computer stores saying, I want a VisiCalc. The clerks would say, No, what you want is a computer, on which you can run VisiCalc. And the customer would say, Whatever. Just sell me a VisiCalc. Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM) PC was yet to come. (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer -- a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with this bs -- paraphrasing. stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp, But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became the killer app for the PC, Lotus made the PC (to a degree) the way Visicalc had made Apple. Right time, right place. However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But other factors were also in play. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk into the early computer stores saying, I want a VisiCalc. The clerks would say, No, what you want is a computer, on which you can run VisiCalc. And the customer would say, Whatever. Just sell me a VisiCalc. Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM) PC was yet to come. And when it did, VisiCalc was one of the first applications available for it. Dan Bricklin had VisiCalc ported to the Intel chip before the PC was even released. (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer -- a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with this bs -- paraphrasing. I should have said, ...started by a *smart* TMer... :-) stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp, But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became the killer app for the PC, Lotus made the PC (to a degree) the way Visicalc had made Apple. Right time, right place. But wrong facts, AFAIK. :-) VisiCalc had been available for IBM PCs since 1981. Lotus wasn't really widely available until 1983. But it was better, and won. However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But other factors were also in play. Like the fact that Mitch Kapor actually tried to *sell* his first versions of Lotus to VisiCorp and they turned him down. Within a few years, he owned all the VisiCorp intellectual property. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk into the early computer stores saying, I want a VisiCalc. The clerks would say, No, what you want is a computer, on which you can run VisiCalc. And the customer would say, Whatever. Just sell me a VisiCalc. Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM) PC was yet to come. And when it did, VisiCalc was one of the first applications available for it. Dan Bricklin had VisiCalc ported to the Intel chip before the PC was even released. (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer -- a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with this bs -- paraphrasing. I should have said, ...started by a *smart* TMer... :-) stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp, But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became the killer app for the PC, Lotus made the PC (to a degree) the way Visicalc had made Apple. Right time, right place. But wrong facts, AFAIK. :-) VisiCalc had been available for IBM PCs since 1981. That could be. But I remember 123 as being THE ss app for PCs. Maybe visicacl was ported as 8-bit and 123 was 16-bit? Or something that made 123 JUST PLAIN better for the PC. Lotus wasn't really widely available until 1983. But it was better, and won. However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But other factors were also in play. Like the fact that Mitch Kapor actually tried to *sell* his first versions of Lotus to VisiCorp and they turned him down. Are you sure? And not confusing that take with the fact that he did sell a graphics add-on for visicalc to Visicalc. And used that money as start-up capital for 123. 6-months prior to its release, 123 had the BUZZ. The WSJ ran a front-page article on it. It had a bigback log demand long before it was released -- due to its superiority. It would have been silly to have tried to then sell it to VC given its market positioning. (I dropped my jaw upon reading the WSJ. Holy shit, thats Mitch Kapor!. Hey, I know this guy. Several friends recommended I write him regarding a job. To be like employee #5. For some stupid reason, I made excuses why that was a lame idea. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became the killer app for the PC, Lotus made the PC (to a degree) the way Visicalc had made Apple. Right time, right place. But wrong facts, AFAIK. :-) VisiCalc had been available for IBM PCs since 1981. That could be. But I remember 123 as being THE ss app for PCs. Maybe visicacl was ported as 8-bit and 123 was 16-bit? Or something that made 123 JUST PLAIN better for the PC. Lotus wasn't really widely available until 1983. But it was better, and won. However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But other factors were also in play. Like the fact that Mitch Kapor actually tried to *sell* his first versions of Lotus to VisiCorp and they turned him down. Are you sure? And not confusing that take with the fact that he did sell a graphics add-on for visicalc to Visicalc. And used that money as start-up capital for 123. 6-months prior to its release, 123 had the BUZZ. The WSJ ran a front-page article on it. It had a bigback log demand long before it was released -- due to its superiority. It would have been silly to have tried to then sell it to VC given its market positioning. OK. you are correct. Kapor did try to sell intial 123 to visicalc. I did not know that. VisiCalc became an almost instant success and provided many business people with an incentive to purchase a personal computer or an H-P 85 or 87 calculator from Hewlett-Packard (cf., Jim Ho, 1999). About 1 million copies of the spreadsheet program were sold during VisiCalc's product lifetime. Dan Bricklin has his version of the history of Software Arts and VisiCalc on the web at www.bricklin.com/history/sai.htm. Bricklin includes early ads and reviews and pictures of the VisiCalc packaging and screenshots. What came after VisiCalc? The market for electronic spreadsheet software was growing rapidly in the early 1980s and VisiCalc stakeholders were slow to respond to the introduction of the IBM PC that used an Intel computer chip. Beginning in September 1983, legal conflicts between VisiCorp and Software Arts distracted the VisiCalc developers, Bricklin and Frankston. During this period, Mitch Kapor developed Lotus and his spreadsheet program quickly became the new industry spreadsheet standard. What is Lotus 1-2-3? Lotus 1-2-3 made it easier to use spreadsheets and it added integrated charting, plotting and database capabilities. Lotus 1-2-3 established spreadsheet software as a major data presentation package as well as a complex calculation tool. Lotus was also the first spreadsheet vendor to introduce naming cells, cell ranges and spreadsheet macros. Kapor was the VisiCalc product manager at Personal Software for about six months in 1980; he also designed and programmed Visiplot/Visitrend which he sold to Personal Software (VisiCorp)for $1 million. Part of that money along with funds from venture capitalist Ben Rosen were used to start Lotus Development Corporation in 1982. Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. Before he cofounded Lotus, Kapor disclosed and offered Personal Software (VisiCorp) his initial Lotus program. Supposedly VisiCorp executives declined the offer because Lotus 1-2-3's functionality was too limited. Lotus 1-2-3 is still one of the all-time best selling application software packages in the world (see email from Mitch Kapor, 04/15/1999). http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM? Biography of Mitch Kapor: Mitchell Kapor, 55, is the President and Chair of the Open Source Applications Foundation (www.osafoundation.org), a non-profit organization he founded in 2001 to promote the development and acceptance of high-quality application software developed and distributed using open source methods and licenses. He is widely known as founder of Lotus Development Corporation and the designer of Lotus 1-2-3, the killer application which made the personal computer ubiquitous in the business world in the 1980's. He has been at the forefront of the information technology revolution for a generation as an entrepreneur, investor, social activist, and philanthropist. Mr. Kapor was born in Brooklyn, New York in 1950 and attended public schools in Freeport, Long Island, where he graduated from high school in 1967. He received a B.A. from Yale College in 1971 and studied psychology, linguistics, and computer science as part of an interdisciplinary major in Cybernetics. At Yale, he was very involved with the college's commercial radio station, WYBC-FM, where he served as Music Director and Program Director. In the 1970's Mr. Kapor worked as a disc jockey at WHCN-FM, a commercial progressive rock station in Hartford, Connecticut; became a teacher of Transcendental Meditation and taught TM in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and Fairfield, Iowa; and worked as an entry-level computer programmer in Cambridge, Massachusetts. In 1978, he received a Master's degree in counseling psychology from Campus-Free College (later called Beacon College) in Boston and worked as a mental health counselor at New England Memorial Hospital in Stoneham, Massachusetts. He also attended the Sloan School of Management at MIT, taking a leave of absence one term short of graduation in 1980 in order to take a job in a Silicon Valley start-up company. In 1978 he bought an Apple II personal computer and worked as an independent software consultant; as the co-developer of Tiny Troll, the first graphics and statistics program for the Apple II; as a product manager for Personal Software Inc., the publisher of VisiCalc, the world's first electronic spreadsheet; and as the designer and programmer (in BASIC) of VisiPlot and VisiTrend, companion products to VisiCalc. He founded Lotus Development Corp. in 1982 and with Jonathan Sachs, who was responsible for technical architecture and implementation, created Lotus 1-2-3. He served as the President (later Chairman) and Chief Executive Officer of Lotus from 1982 to 1986 and as a Director until 1987. In 1983, Lotus' first year of operations, the company achieved revenues of $53,000,000 and had a successful public offering. In 1984 the company tripled in revenue to $156,000,000. The number of employees grew to over a thousand by 1985. After leaving executive management at Lotus, he spent 1986 and 1987 completing work on his favorite product, Lotus Agenda, the first application for Personal Information Management (PIM), and as a visiting scientist at MIT's Center for Cognitive Science and the MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory. From 1987-1990 Mr. Kapor served as the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of ON Technology, a developer of software applications for workgroup computing. In 1990 with John Perry Barlow, he co-founded the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and served as its chairman until 1994. The EFF is a non- profit civil liberties organization working in the public interest to protect privacy, free expression, and access to public resources and information online, as well as to promote responsibility in new media. In 1992 and 1993 he chaired the Massachusetts Commission on Computer Technology and Law which was chartered to investigate and report on issues raised by the problem of computer crime in the state. He also served as a member of the Computer Science and Technology Board of the National Research Council and the National Information Infrastructure Advisory Council. From 1994-1996, he served as Adjunct Professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Media Lab where he taught courses on software design, Democracy and the Internet, and digital community. For almost 20 years, Mr. Kapor has been an investor in high- technology start-up companies (through Kapor Enterprises, Inc.) and an advisor to entrepreneurs. He was a founding investor of UUNET and Real Networks. He is also Chairman of the Board of Linden Research, founded by Philip Rosedale, former CTO of Real Networks, the creator of Second Life, the leading online virtual world. From
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM? I would guess that. But then from what I observed, Mitch had a kind of wicked witty sense of humor. His using the Lotus name might have been meant as something ironic -- but still something that might appeal to consumers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM? Could be, and 1-2-3 is Benson's Relaxation Response and the first two advancements of it. --- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM? http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116166,pg,3,00.asp __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with this bs -- paraphrasing. Mitch taught in the Cambridge Center and in the short-lived Boston Center on swank Newbury Street, and taught one of my residence courses in Natick, MA. One of the Cambridge lady governors defended him years after he left the movement by insisting Mitch had unbearable headaches on the course and talked to MMY about it and it was agreed he should leave the course. He did knock TMers in an Esquire magazine article years later, posing the question: if TMers are supposed to be so enlightened, how come they're so messed up? Dan Fylstra, the founder of Personal Software/VisiCorp was also a TM meditator and was married to a governor. He had a few Cambridge Center sidhis working for him back in 1978. I was one of them. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,116166,pg,3,00.asp --- anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: A company called VisiCorp invented the spreadsheet and marketed it. Their product -- VisiCalc -- basically created the entire PC revolution; people used to walk into the early computer stores saying, I want a VisiCalc. The clerks would say, No, what you want is a computer, on which you can run VisiCalc. And the customer would say, Whatever. Just sell me a VisiCalc. Visicalc, as the killer app, made Apple -- the (IBM) PC was yet to come. (As another aside, after Lotus -- started by a TMer -- a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with this bs -- paraphrasing. stole the entire spreadsheet market away from VisiCorp, But also designed 123 for the NEW IBM PC. And it became the killer app for the PC, Lotus made the PC (to a degree) the way Visicalc had made Apple. Right time, right place. However, I agree with your examples as a broad analogy. But other factors were also in play. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a quite disgruntled and non-practicing TMer by that time -- having left his 6-month course in the middle of the night tired with this bs -- paraphrasing. Mitch taught in the Cambridge Center and in the short-lived Boston Center on swank Newbury Street, and taught one of my residence courses in Natick, MA. One of the Cambridge lady governors defended him years after he left the movement by insisting Mitch had unbearable headaches on the course and talked to MMY about it and it was agreed he should leave the course. I read an interview by Mitch and he was pretty explicit that he just saw no point to the course and packed up his stuff and walked to the train station. I am not sure that translated into his being anti-tm. just anti that course. I was on that course, and I was a bit disappointed myself at times. The course seemed pretty looose and experimental. And as I recall, his departure was pretty abrupt. Word came the next morning that he had just up and left. And I don't remember him complaining about severe headaches when M. was there, in group meetings etc. If it was a mutual agreement sort of thing, then it would seem it would have been less abrupt, some good byes, a car to take him to the train station, etc. Not a hasty, silent, late night exit. He did knock TMers in an Esquire magazine article years later, posing the question: if TMers are supposed to be so enlightened, how come they're so messed up? Dan Fylstra, the founder of Personal Software/VisiCorp was also a TM meditator and was married to a governor. Interesting. I did not know that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO as VisiCorp :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: Kapor cofounded Lotus Development Corporation with Jonathan Sachs. http://www.dssresources.com/history/sshistory.html Disgrunted 'ru though he was, do you think Mitch Kapor came up with Lotus as a name for his company as a result of his exposure to Indian culture via TM? I would guess that. But then from what I observed, Mitch had a kind of wicked witty sense of humor. His using the Lotus name might have been meant as something ironic -- but still something that might appeal to consumers. Vaguely I recall that Lotus was based on his Buddhist beliefs, but I may be wrong... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The TMO Holy Tradition
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Family Photos? Hey, this is precious. Some pictures are worth a thousand words this one is one of those seeming to say a lot. http://ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/photos/view/328a?b=2 So, is this one about Maharishi's nephew being now in the `Holy Tradition' or just being a major shareholder in the picture? What do the TB'rs of the TMO think about this one? Forging ahead, a pensive quiet and `mum' seems mostly to be the word. For lack of anything else that more clearly shows how thing are, this picture seems pretty transparent. Any PL statements been published anywhere for the TMO recently? Seems like a lot of pure profit in recent years. Balance statements? Buildings are being built. Whether they account for all the money raised or not, who can say? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one doesn't use the trademark properly, one can lose it. For example, there was once a trademarked brand of toilet called a Crapper, but their trademark went into the crapper. :-) Named for John Crapper, who invented the flush toilet. By the way, why do you think they're called johns? It was Sir Thomas Crapper, plumber by appointment to King Edward VII. Really, lads, don't they teach you anything at MIU? http://www.thomas-crapper.com/history04.htm But if Sir Thomas was like most of the other English lords of his time, he spent a lot of time with prostitutes. Since they refer to their customers as Johns, there could still be a link. :-) :-) :-) You must remember that we in the UK do not have a Mother Devine. As a result, our aristocracy is keen to rehabilitate fallen women and will rarely miss a chance to inject firm subject matter and support where necessary to achieve the benefits of trickle down, so associated with your president' defence thinking, I believe. But I don't think you should wager your internal organs on the johns issue, Turquoise. Expertise in the fields of the most exotic spiritual scriptures and also pre-Victorian lavatorial plumbing, Turquoise? Truly you are a Renaissance Man ! Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If one doesn't use the trademark properly, one can lose it. For example, there was once a trademarked brand of toilet called a Crapper, but their trademark went into the crapper. :-) Named for John Crapper, who invented the flush toilet. By the way, why do you think they're called johns? It was Sir Thomas Crapper, plumber by appointment to King Edward VII. Really, lads, don't they teach you anything at MIU? http://www.thomas-crapper.com/history04.htm But if Sir Thomas was like most of the other English lords of his time, he spent a lot of time with prostitutes. Since they refer to their customers as Johns, there could still be a link. :-) :-) :-) You must remember that we in the UK do not have a Mother Divine course. Our aristocracy is keen to rehabilitate fallen women and will rarely miss a chance to inject firm support where necessary to achieve the benefits of trickle down, so beloved of your president' defence thinking, I am told. But I don't think you should wager your internal organs on the johns issue, Turquoise. Expertise in the fields of the most exotic spiritual scriptures and also pre-Victorian lavatorial plumbing, Turquoise? Truly you are a Renaissance Man ! Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB
no_reply@ wrote:
It was Sir Thomas Crapper, plumber by appointment
to King Edward VII. Really, lads, don't they teach
you anything at MIU?
http://www.thomas-crapper.com/history04.htm
But if Sir Thomas was like most of the other
English lords of his time, he spent a lot of
time with prostitutes. Since they refer to
their customers as Johns, there could still
be a link. :-) :-) :-)
You must remember that we in the UK do not have
a Mother Devine. As a result, our aristocracy
is keen to rehabilitate fallen women and will
rarely miss a chance to inject firm subject
matter and support where necessary to achieve
the benefits of trickle down, so associated with
your president' defence thinking, I believe.
It's probably a more benevolent way to stick
it to the poor than is practiced by modern
American politicians. :-)
But I don't think you should wager your internal
organs on the johns issue, Turquoise.
Damn. I was gettin' into it, and even developing
a theory about how Jack the Ripper ('Jack' being
a diminutive of 'John') was really the original
namesake for the porcelain throne we all know
and love. :-)
Expertise in the fields of the most exotic spiritual
scriptures and also pre-Victorian lavatorial plumbing,
Turquoise? Truly you are a Renaissance Man !
You should hear me expound upon Medieval plumbing,
since that period is more my forté. A fascinating
tradition in France had to do with the olde French
tradition of pissing anywhere you bloody well felt
like it. The guys, being guys, ignored any civil
laws that were passed to stop such indiscriminate
urination, so the Church lent a hand and declared
pissing on an image of the cross a mortal sin.
Voilà -- all across France almost every public
building suddenly had crosses painted on it. :-)
I'm not sure, however, whether any of the cross
painters were named 'Jean,' so there may be no
tie-in to previous historical speculations...
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: If one doesn't use the trademark properly, one can lose it. For example, there was once a trademarked brand of toilet called a Crapper, but their trademark went into the crapper. :-) Named for John Crapper, who invented the flush toilet. By the way, why do you think they're called johns? It was Sir Thomas Crapper, plumber by appointment to King Edward VII. Really, lads, don't they teach you anything at MIU? http://www.thomas-crapper.com/history04.htm But if Sir Thomas was like most of the other English lords of his time, he spent a lot of time with prostitutes. Since they refer to their customers as Johns, there could still be a link. :-) :-) :-) You must remember that we in the UK Tell me: what's it like to live on a tiny island with so many people? Do you feel cramped? Does everyone have a British accent? Do they talk like the Beatles? Does everyone say smashing and eat fish and chips (which I love)? Does everyone have pasty white skin (at least the white people) and bad teeth? do not have a Mother Devine. As a result, our aristocracy is keen to rehabilitate fallen women and will rarely miss a chance to inject firm subject matter and support where necessary to achieve the benefits of trickle down, so associated with your president' defence thinking, I believe. But I don't think you should wager your internal organs on the johns issue, Turquoise. Expertise in the fields of the most exotic spiritual scriptures and also pre-Victorian lavatorial plumbing, Turquoise? Truly you are a Renaissance Man ! Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 5:40:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the TMO owns the name Transcendental Mediation Program, but not Transcendental Meditation. Any meditation technique that assists one to transcend could be called transcendental meditation. Seems I heard that some court had made the TMO ad Program to the trade mark name for this reason. Not true. The issue never went to court; the change was dictated by trademark/copyright lawyers consulted by the TMO during the early 70s, who instructed them on the proper use of a trademark. That is, trademarks should always be used as an *adjective*, not a noun. So the TMO is selling the TM program or the TM technique, not TM. One pushes dirt with a Caterpillar tractor, not a Caterpillar. One sneezes into a Kleenx tissue, not a Kleenex. Etc. If one doesn't use the trademark properly, one can lose it. For example, there was once a trademarked brand of toilet called a Crapper, but their trademark went into the crapper. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd marwincornyarmand@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: This and another point that got truncated are interesting legal points. The TMO never directly supported any TM teacher in any way whatsoever. They provide the knowledge but give no material support and expect teachers to follow their dictates. I think the TMO has essentially zero legal ground to stand upon. You are right. I and many with me, was Independent TM-Teachers inside the TMO. We paid all the expenses with courses and taxes. We have paid for everything. And always will, until there are no TBs left. The TMO has priced and positioned itself out of the marketplace. It no longer has the ability to survive economically by attracting new followers; its only income is generated by badgering the current followers. What I see happening, within five years of MMY's death, is that the TMO will come running to the very teachers it dispossessed during the recert purge, begging them for financial support to help preserve Maharishi's legacy. I hope that their requests are met with gales of laughter. They are already - not me of course - I am banned - but the TMO need money - and is begging old TM-Teachers for loans and support. They are denied, as one TM-Teacher said, because - The recert. TM- Teachers has not shown any success all these years, and will not do so in the future. Another argument is - that it is too easy to use other peoples money. Ingegerd Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 5:40:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the TMO owns the name Transcendental Mediation Program, but not Transcendental Meditation. Any meditation technique that assists one to transcend could be called transcendental meditation. Seems I heard that some court had made the TMO ad Program to the trade mark name for this reason. Not that I've heard. In fact, I think you're completely wrong on this, at least in the USA. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 5:40:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, sparaig@ writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the TMO owns the name Transcendental Mediation Program, but not Transcendental Meditation. Any meditation technique that assists one to transcend could be called transcendental meditation. Seems I heard that some court had made the TMO ad Program to the trade mark name for this reason. Not true. The issue never went to court; the change was dictated by trademark/copyright lawyers consulted by the TMO during the early 70s, who instructed them on the proper use of a trademark. That is, trademarks should always be used as an *adjective*, not a noun. So the TMO is selling the TM program or the TM technique, not TM. One pushes dirt with a Caterpillar tractor, not a Caterpillar. One sneezes into a Kleenx tissue, not a Kleenex. Etc. If one doesn't use the trademark properly, one can lose it. For example, there was once a trademarked brand of toilet called a Crapper, but their trademark went into the crapper. :-) Named for John Crapper, who invented the flush toilet. By the way, why do you think they're called johns? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
In a message dated 2/5/06 3:35:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I see happening, within five years of MMY'sdeath, is that the TMO will come running to thevery teachers it dispossessed during the "recertpurge," begging them for financial support to help "preserve Maharishi's legacy." I hope that their requests are met with gales of laughter. Five years? Why so long? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/5/06 3:35:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What I see happening, within five years of MMY's death, is that the TMO will come running to the very teachers it dispossessed during the recert purge, begging them for financial support to help preserve Maharishi's legacy. I hope that their requests are met with gales of laughter. Five years? Why so long? It'll take them that long to go through the books and realize that the bulk of the money has disappeared into India, never to be seen again. :-) What will be interesting, given the general helplessness we've been seeing from the Purusha and MD people as reality caught up to them, to see how the administrative lifers of the TM movement will react when people come to fore- close on the hotels they live in, and throw them out into the cold. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 5:40:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, sparaig@ writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the TMO owns the name Transcendental Mediation Program, but not Transcendental Meditation. Any meditation technique that assists one to transcend could be called transcendental meditation. Seems I heard that some court had made the TMO ad Program to the trade mark name for this reason. Not true. The issue never went to court; the change was dictated by trademark/copyright lawyers consulted by the TMO during the early 70s, who instructed them on the proper use of a trademark. That is, trademarks should always be used as an *adjective*, not a noun. So the TMO is selling the TM program or the TM technique, not TM. One pushes dirt with a Caterpillar tractor, not a Caterpillar. One sneezes into a Kleenx tissue, not a Kleenex. Etc. If one doesn't use the trademark properly, one can lose it. For example, there was once a trademarked brand of toilet called a Crapper, but their trademark went into the crapper. :-) Named for John Crapper, who invented the flush toilet. By the way, why do you think they're called johns? It was Sir Thomas Crapper, plumber by appointment to King Edward VII. Really, lads, don't they teach you anything at MIU? http://www.thomas-crapper.com/history04.htm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
If one doesn't use the trademark properly, one can lose it. For example, there was once a trademarked brand of toilet called a Crapper, but their trademark went into the crapper. :-) Named for John Crapper, who invented the flush toilet. By the way, why do you think they're called johns? It was Sir Thomas Crapper, plumber by appointment to King Edward VII. Really, lads, don't they teach you anything at MIU? http://www.thomas-crapper.com/history04.htm But if Sir Thomas was like most of the other English lords of his time, he spent a lot of time with prostitutes. Since they refer to their customers as Johns, there could still be a link. :-) :-) :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: [...] Named for John Crapper, who invented the flush toilet. By the way, why do you think they're called johns? It was Sir Thomas Crapper, plumber by appointment to King Edward VII. Really, lads, don't they teach you anything at MIU? http://www.thomas-crapper.com/history04.htm Doh! My bad, I thought john was a cockney rhyming slang term. Why ARE they called johns? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In March 2005 the TMO announced a re-certification requirement for all teachers. Teachers report there was no refresher in job skills and it was all about money. Of the 40K teachers in the US, only 340 took the course. The TMO is guilty of not providing any job security and therefore can not be relied upon as a valid employer - and the organization has demonstrated it is not a responsible employer with a long history of promises never kept. This my legal advisors claim is a very important detail for a judge to have. This and another point that got truncated are interesting legal points. The TMO never directly supported any TM teacher in any way whatsoever. They provide the knowledge but give no material support and expect teachers to follow their dictates. I think the TMO has essentially zero legal ground to stand upon. You are right. I and many with me, was Independent TM-Teachers inside the TMO. We paid all the expenses with courses and taxes. We have paid for everything. Ingegerd __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
In a message dated 2/5/06 1:04:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am teaching TM outside the TMO - and some of the people has been in contact with the TMO before they contact me. They do not care about MMY or the TMO - they just want to learn Transcendental Meditation for some reason or another. An experienced TM-Teacher with a solid background in teaching, counts more than re-cert- teachers. And when women are denied to learn because the one recert. lady TM-Teacher is not available - what to do? They are seeking up Independent teachers - thinking that the TMO is weird. Ingegerd Exactly Ingegerd! I couldn't agree with you more. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: From: Mike Scozzari scozzari@ Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:37:41 -0800 To: Rick Archer rick@ Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Do you know who the recertified teachers are in NYC? Hi Rick Could you please post this on Fairfield Life for me. Thanks, Mike Scozzari Mike Scozzari TM Center Deerfield Beach, Florida www.bay3.com/tm As many have heard, I have been asked to cease and desist teaching TM by the TMO attorneys in Iowa. Their demands include that I destroy all teaching materials and that I no longer use their registered service marks for TM and Transcendental Meditation. With the new project for teachers to re-certify and teach, teachers who, like me, were made teachers for life by Maharishi, were all told we must no longer consider ourselves teachers. The re-certification course as you may have heard was $2K and $4 depending on how many people you have taught in the past 2 years for $2500 each student. Once completed, re-certified teachers were required to teach full time, meditate 7 hours per day, open up 5 spas, raise 1.5 million for a peace palace, go to Holland for a month and become a raja after which you would be required to wear robes and a crown and have others bow to you. Teachers were required to teach according to gender, males teach males, women teach women and all in a building with an east entrance (TMO websites detail the entire thing). Teachers were promised salaries of $2000 per month if nobody takes TM and $4000 a month if you teach 2. Three months after it's start all salaries were discontinued and teachers who quit their jobs had to find work once again. Huge Snip I am not defending the TMO here, but I know for a fact that some recerts are receiving their salaries. The folks in NYC are getting their $4000 per month, I believe. Perhaps it helps that they have been able to teach a bunch of disadvantaged school children TMO using some grant money or David Lynch money. Those initiations must bring the recerts to the level of people who the TMO will pay. Also, the recerts are not going to go to Holland to become rajas unless they have a million dollars to donate. AT least so far I think that is the requirement for rajahood. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 wayback71@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: From: Mike Scozzari scozzari@ Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:37:41 -0800 To: Rick Archer rick@ Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Do you know who the recertified teachers are in NYC? I believe there are about 4 or 5 or maybe more - Bill Brunelle and Janet Hoffman are 2 of them. Hi Rick Could you please post this on Fairfield Life for me. Thanks, Mike Scozzari Mike Scozzari TM Center Deerfield Beach, Florida www.bay3.com/tm As many have heard, I have been asked to cease and desist teaching TM by the TMO attorneys in Iowa. Their demands include that I destroy all teaching materials and that I no longer use their registered service marks for TM and Transcendental Meditation. With the new project for teachers to re-certify and teach, teachers who, like me, were made teachers for life by Maharishi, were all told we must no longer consider ourselves teachers. The re-certification course as you may have heard was $2K and $4 depending on how many people you have taught in the past 2 years for $2500 each student. Once completed, re-certified teachers were required to teach full time, meditate 7 hours per day, open up 5 spas, raise 1.5 million for a peace palace, go to Holland for a month and become a raja after which you would be required to wear robes and a crown and have others bow to you. Teachers were required to teach according to gender, males teach males, women teach women and all in a building with an east entrance (TMO websites detail the entire thing). Teachers were promised salaries of $2000 per month if nobody takes TM and $4000 a month if you teach 2. Three months after it's start all salaries were discontinued and teachers who quit their jobs had to find work once again. Huge Snip I am not defending the TMO here, but I know for a fact that some recerts are receiving their salaries. The folks in NYC are getting their $4000 per month, I believe. Perhaps it helps that they have been able to teach a bunch of disadvantaged school children TMO using some grant money or David Lynch money. Those initiations must bring the recerts to the level of people who the TMO will pay. Also, the recerts are not going to go to Holland to become rajas unless they have a million dollars to donate. AT least so far I think that is the requirement for rajahood. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 11:22:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, remember you are not alone in this fight. You're the point man but only in front at this time. There will be many ex-TM teachers who will rally around such action, including us. Many will be willing to speak out against the TMO. But we must all face the fact that this will be bad press for the TMO AND for all of us. It's the unfortunate truth. The other thing is this: do we really want to be associated with all the new crazy stuff in the TMO? Farrokh Ruffina Anklasaria The Enlightened Sentencing Project St Louis, MO Why not open your own TM center , no matter how small and quaint across the street or next door to every Peace Palace offering the same TM for 1 or 2 hundred dollars and put up a big sign out front advertising such. Let them draw the public to their Peace Palace with their advertisements and let the public see your place with TM at a fraction the cost. heheheheheheheehehe! This should be done at every Peace Palace or store front. Competition is the American way! Why not do the same with McDonald's Hamburgers then? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
In a message dated 2/4/06 2:33:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not do the same with McDonald's Hamburgers then? I think it is done to some degree or another. One corner has Mickey d's and down the street you'll have Jack in the Box or some other franchise. One corner offers Shell Gasoline the corner across the street has Chevron. When it comes to TM one has the official TMO cult with all it's trappings or one can learn TM as taught by Mahahrishi Mahesh Yogi when he first came to America without all the weirdness. The people will have a choice, high priced weirdness, or simple knowledge at a simple price. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Mike Scozzari [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:37:41 -0800 To: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Lawsuit - TMO vs Scozzari Hi Rick Could you please post this on Fairfield Life for me. Thanks, Mike Scozzari Mike Scozzari TM Center Deerfield Beach, Florida www.bay3.com/tm As many have heard, I have been asked to cease and desist teaching TM by the TMO attorneys in Iowa. * All this struggling with the idea of teaching TM outside of the movement is just a waste of time. Only India counts now -- the TM movement has to be successful there, the natural home of Vedic culture. The situation is analogous to the people holding up sticks to support the mountain that Krishna was holding up against the wrath of Indra: http://www.iskconboston.org/html/events/govardhana.html Bob Brigante http://geocities.com/bbrigante/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2/4/06 1:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 11:22:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mike, remember you are not alone in this fight. You're the point man but only in front at this time. There will be many ex-TM teachers who will rally around such action, including us. Many will be willing to speak out against the TMO. But we must all face the fact that this will be bad press for the TMO AND for all of us. It's the unfortunate truth. The other thing is this: do we really want to be associated with all the new crazy stuff in the TMO? Farrokh Ruffina Anklasaria The Enlightened Sentencing Project St Louis, MO Why not open your own TM center , no matter how small and quaint across the street or next door to every Peace Palace offering the same TM for 1 or 2 hundred dollars and put up a big sign out front advertising such. Let them draw the public to their Peace Palace with their advertisements and let the public see your place with TM at a fraction the cost. heheheheheheheehehe! This should be done at every Peace Palace or store front. Competition is the American way! I used to do that when I was driving a Pied Piper ice cream truck in New Jersey. I�d park right next to the Good Humor man. Yeah, but who had the better ice cream? -): As much as an advocate for free markets as I am, I'll tell you where your idea doesn't work. I once got a pair of tickets for the Montreal Expos from a friend who couldn't go to the game. And I didn't really want to go but I wasn't above selling the tickets. So I went to where the scalpers congregate outside the stadium and when a buyer approached and a scalper went up to him to negotiate, I thought the spirit of open-pit bidding-and-selling that we are all familiar with from film clips of stock traders would prevail. How stupid of me. When the negotiations were going on, I offered my tickets for less than the other scalper was offering them for. And when I made the deal, I came within a hair's width of getting the shit kicked out of me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 2:33:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why not do the same with McDonald's Hamburgers then? I think it is done to some degree or another. One corner has Mickey d's and down the street you'll have Jack in the Box or some other franchise. One corner offers Shell Gasoline the corner across the street has Chevron. When it comes to TM one has the official TMO cult with all it's trappings or one can learn TM as taught by Mahahrishi Mahesh Yogi when he first came to America without all the weirdness. The people will have a choice, high priced weirdness, or simple knowledge at a simple price. but Jack in the Box doesn't have Original Jack with the Jack-in-the- Box speaker and new improved, but over-priced Jack with extra options but no speaker because there is a company that owns the name of the franchise. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In March 2005 the TMO announced a re-certification requirement for all teachers. Teachers report there was no refresher in job skills and it was all about money. Of the 40K teachers in the US, only 340 took the course. The TMO is guilty of not providing any job security and therefore can not be relied upon as a valid employer - and the organization has demonstrated it is not a responsible employer with a long history of promises never kept. This my legal advisors claim is a very important detail for a judge to have. This and another point that got truncated are interesting legal points. The TMO never directly supported any TM teacher in any way whatsoever. They provide the knowledge but give no material support and expect teachers to follow their dictates. I think the TMO has essentially zero legal ground to stand upon. Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
In a message dated 2/4/06 5:40:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the TMO owns the name Transcendental Mediation Program, butnot Transcendental Meditation. Any meditation technique that assists one to transcend could be called transcendental meditation. Seems I heard that some court had made the TMO ad Program to the trade mark name for this reason. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
In a message dated 2/4/06 5:47:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but Jack in the Box doesn't have "Original Jack with the Jack-in-the-Box speaker" and "new improved, but over-priced Jack with extra options but no speaker" because there is a company that owns the name of the franchise. It's all in the secret sauce. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
In a message dated 2/4/06 6:05:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the TMO owns the name Transcendental Mediation Program, butnot Transcendental Meditation. Any meditation technique that assists one to transcend could be called transcendental meditation. Seems I heard that some court had made the TMO ad Program to the trade mark name for this reason. I think also if a teacher were to open his own center near a Peace Palace offering TM at a reasonable rate and also just happened to have a picture of himself with Maharishi sitting in a prominent place in the center, the public wouldn't have many questions as to whether you were a legitimate teacher of TM or not. Leave the "splaining" to the Peace Palace teachers as to why they charge more and you charge less. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 2/4/06 6:05:29 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the TMO owns the name and possession is 9/10's of the law. I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the TMO owns the name Transcendental Mediation Program, but not Transcendental Meditation. Any meditation technique that assists one to transcend could be called transcendental meditation. Seems I heard that some court had made the TMO ad Program to the trade mark name for this reason. ** It may be that the program after Transcendental Meditation is necessary for the following reason: Use your trademark as a proper adjective that describes your product. You'll notice that ads refer to a Xerox copier, Jell-O gelatin and Band-Aid adhesive strips. If people continue to use the words Xerox, Jell-O and Band-Aid alone, these marks can easily go the way of other trademarks like nylon, mimeograph and yo-yo. http://www.quicken.com/cms/viewers/article/small_business/40191 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lawsuit - TMO vs. Scozzari
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In March 2005 the TMO announced a re-certification requirement for all teachers. Teachers report there was no refresher in job skills and it was all about money. Of the 40K teachers in the US, only 340 took the course. The TMO is guilty of not providing any job security and therefore can not be relied upon as a valid employer - and the organization has demonstrated it is not a responsible employer with a long history of promises never kept. This my legal advisors claim is a very important detail for a judge to have. This and another point that got truncated are interesting legal points. The TMO never directly supported any TM teacher in any way whatsoever. They provide the knowledge but give no material support and expect teachers to follow their dictates. I think the TMO has essentially zero legal ground to stand upon. I have a 3/4 video player and a wierd 8mm film loop player and lots of office supplies that had to be bought from the movement JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Green - TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard that Ford has developed a car that runs on Distilled water.?? Does anyone have information on it.? Exc. Bevan Morris spoke some years back on a car that can run 5,000 kilometres without any need for re-fueling. I forgot the type of car he mentioned. I also heard that someone has developed a technology of turning waste chicken feathers into oil.? I learnt TM for 150 rupees in india which amounts to over 3 dollars. Do I have ethical right to tell another person to learn TM for 2,500-/ dollars.?? Bless you. I paid 4 Dollars to learn TM. And I wonder if I have the ethical right to tell people what I paid when TMO takes $ 2.500. Ingegerd OriginalMessage- FFrom: Markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 16:47:16 - Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM costs $3.30 a day - Now GReen TMO --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't it awful that Maharishi has spent so long promoting healthy living, electric vehicles, solar panel factory in India, organic farming and greenhouses, and a balanced and nature-friendly lifestyle...oh, and I almost forgot..working for the last 50 years to create world peace, getting governments involved where he can, and, having pundits doing continual yagyas and oblations at spiritual sites around India, starting a highly sophisticated Purusha center in the Himalayas, bringing back the Vedic tradition in a systematized and sophisticated form in India. Is there ANY other teacher that has done this for 50 years?...and is not stopping in his late 80's ! ! ! OffWorld Maybe the TMO talked about electric vehicles at some pt - they've talked about most everything - but the above list of activities is not particularly representative of what the tmo has actually done. There is a small organic greenhouse operation here in ffld. Maybe talk about bigger operations will come through but so far that's just talk. There's also projects cutting down the rainforest in brazil and other forests elsewhere in the world. In the past MMY has drilled for oil in texas, marketing high-end silk dresses, and now used cars in india as well (at least one nephew is). Remember last year's big plans - enlightenment centers in malls. Real estate remains the main business of the tmo, but most everything has been tried, and being a green eco-friendly business has never been a prerequisite. Promoting his brand of spirituality has been MMY's most tireless and unending motivation which is impressive in its energy and committment. Lots of religious people today and throughout history have shown that kind of motivation though - and full time religious people conducting global businesses on the side while also getting involved in politics is nothing new - research pat robertson and rev. moon's operations which are much larger than MMY's. - Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Green - TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard that Ford has developed a car that runs on Distilled water.?? Does anyone have information on it.? Exc. Bevan Morris spoke some years back on a car that can run 5,000 kilometres without any need for re-fueling. There are several technologies which may add up to this. Google for Linnard Griffin to find catalytic cracking of water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Also, Stan Meyer, Browns gas. These links take H2 and put it into a car: http://pah.cert.ucr.edu/~macm/ford.htm http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_38/b3699304.htm Uns. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Green - TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I heard that Ford has developed a car that runs on Distilled water.?? Does anyone have information on it.? Exc. Bevan Morris spoke some years back on a car that can run 5,000 kilometres without any need for re-fueling. There are several technologies which may add up to this. Google for Linnard Griffin to find catalytic cracking of water into hydrogen and oxygen gases. Also, Stan Meyer, Browns gas. These links take H2 and put it into a car: http://pah.cert.ucr.edu/~macm/ford.htm http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_38/b3699304.htm Uns. Don't forget that there is more than one hydrogen concept. The gas can be run into the cyliner and burnt - not as easy as it sounds - or it can be coupled up to a fuel cell, turned into electricity and then fed into any conventional electric motor, or an eccentric one like the Takahashi: These links are better: http://pah.cert.ucr.edu/~macm/h2.htm http://www.bmwworld.com/models/750hl.htm http://www.h2cars.biz/artman/publish/article_779.shtml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK TMO, was: Moron Bush beat..... (was 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at ...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/11/05 6:21 PM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The legendary John Harvey Jones came on to the scene a few years ago. GC should have seen his role as sitting at the feet of JHJ, ensuring that the purity of the teaching never got prejudiced. We were never told why JHJ left. This guy?: http://www.speakers.co.uk/Retro/5118.htm ...Yes, that's him. Sir John, of course. I forgot. He was taught TM, and was very pleased with it. He had a couple of series on the BBC (prime time) in which he took a decaying or untogether company and tried to turn it around.Not all prjects worked. He did Morgan Cars: http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/index_frames.html *** Available from all good outlets *** Many people were bowled over by his arrival, and many centre volunteers would have stopped everything and run a mile in four minutes for such leadership. Someone asked what happened and we were told that there may have been some sort of a problem between him and Geoffrey. Apart from the vital task of ensuring the purity of the teaching, I would have thought that GC's task would have been to look, listen and inwards digest. A wasted opportunity. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK TMO, was: Moron Bush beat..... (was 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at ...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/11/05 6:21 PM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The legendary John Harvey Jones came on to the scene a few years ago. GC should have seen his role as sitting at the feet of JHJ, ensuring that the purity of the teaching never got prejudiced. We were never told why JHJ left. This guy?: http://www.speakers.co.uk/Retro/5118.htm ...Yes, that's him. Sir John, of course. I forgot. He was taught TM, and was very pleased with it. He had a couple of series on the BBC (prime time) in which he took a decaying or untogether company and tried to turn it around.Not all prjects worked. He did Morgan Cars: http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/index_frames.html *** Available from all good outlets *** Many people were bowled over by his arrival, and many centre volunteers would have stopped everything and run a mile in four minutes for such leadership. Someone asked what happened and we were told that there may have been some sort of a problem between him and Geoffrey. Apart from the vital task of ensuring the purity of the teaching, I would have thought that GC's task would have been to look, listen and inwards digest. A wasted opportunity. Uns. I saw John H-J speak once, and what I liked was that he was very natural and unpretentious - he said he had more respect for a hard- working owner of the local garage and their working at their small business than he did for most captains of industry - which I think shows that he was not blinded by charisma and image. How far that fits in with the TMO is anyone's guess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK TMO
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/12/05 10:01 AM, eloigne24 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw John H-J speak once, and what I liked was that he was very natural and unpretentious - he said he had more respect for a hard- working owner of the local garage and their working at their small business than he did for most captains of industry - which I think shows that he was not blinded by charisma and image. How far that fits in with the TMO is anyone's guess. Maharishi would have had to totally change his personality and his approach for this guy to have fit in... ...and if JHJ had been given a realistic chance, Maharishi might well have done some of that when he saw the money flowing in to International. A local sidha once asked an old timer if Maharishi was seen to be a business whizz kid. The old timer said No, but it could be depended upon that he could read a spread sheet. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
