Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFuniFSP2fofeature=related http://tinyurl.com/cxzl6yv I did enjoy this reply Robin, back on September 4, just before I left. I felt it was very much to the point. This tendency of replying by posting a link to a video or song that seems to be increasing here though has me a bit chagrined for I tend not to listen to songs much, and have trouble hearing the words (my ears are rather old, and the frequency response is not very good any more) so in general this is not a successful way to reply to me, but in this case, the actor Carroll O'Connor is generally impossible to not hear clearly.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here. I would be helpful Judy, when you criticise, to provide the *correct* interpretation. Sorry, but I'm not going to do your homework for you. When you say someone is wrong and leave it at that, it serves no purpose, A person of intellectual integrity, on being told they had it wrong, would go look up *at the very least* some of the posts that had been addressed to them. because it is then unclear that you know the proper understanding either, Nice try, no cigar. in which case the criticism has no value. Examples are welcome. How about examples of Robin having confirmed that what I've said about what he's told us is accurate? There have been a number of those. After I wrote that, and before I read this, I was reading something that Robin wrote to Emily, and it was not what I had encountered before, but it was different enough that it made me wonder how consistent he is in what he is espousing or whether a shift in his experience is going on, If you'd been reading his posts, *even those to you*, with any attention, with any genuine effort at understanding, you'd know he's very consistent. or based on my past experience with him, whether he is just reeling her in. Reeling her in. Another nice one. See, one of the reasons I'm not inclined to help you out here is that you're obviously determined to be as offensive to Robin as you can manage--even if you have to be offensive to other people at the same time. (Unless you're also pissed off at Emily, of course, in which case you got two birds with one stone.) So what's the deal, Xeno? Aren't you supposed to be a line-in-air guy? snip Your view of the world is not the only view of the world that the world has. I've been talking about *Robin's* view of the world. When Robin is speaking or writing, that is Robin's view of the world. When I am speaking or writing, it is my view of the world that comes through. When Barry is speaking or writing, Barry's view of the world is what is presented. When you are speaking or writing, it is your view of the world that is presented. If you are talking about Robin's view of the world, then it is *your view* of what you consider *Robin's view* of the world that is presented, not Robin's view of the world. Only Robin has Robin's view of the world. Only Robin has Robin's experience, only I have my experience, only Barry has Barry's experience, and only you have your experience. That individuated aspect of experience is connected to each of us alone, that is, the individual human body. I suppose that has something to do with personal ontology. I can only presume what Robin knows as a direct experience, by analogy with my own. I can formulate theories that try to match my description of my experience with what I think Robin's is; obviously this procedure may result in a very bad match depending on the individual characteristics of the bodies involved. Our thoughts and those meta constructions of thought called hypotheses and theories are analogues of our experience, but they are not the experience itself, they are often very crude representations, especially if what we experience is sublime. What we trade here on FFL is not reality, but our individuated descriptions of reality. We are manipulating our symbols for reality. Those symbols have their own sort of reality, but it is not the reality we are attempting to describe. When we mistake the symbols for the experience, we trade reality for a lie. If anybody has a spiritual experience, and they want to talk about it, they have to participate in a lie. When you are attempting to communicate a spiritual idea or priniple, the hope is always that the person on the receiving end of that communication is going to see through the lie and experience the truth behind the representation, but that person is not going to experience your truth,
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here. I would be helpful Judy, when you criticise, to provide the *correct* interpretation. snip Your view of the world is not the only view of the world that the world has. I've been talking about *Robin's* view of the world. When Robin is speaking or writing, that is Robin's view of the world. When I am speaking or writing, it is my view of the world that comes through. When Barry is speaking or writing, Barry's view of the world is what is presented. When you are speaking or writing, it is your view of the world that is presented. If you are talking about Robin's view of the world, then it is *your view* of what you consider *Robin's view* of the world that is presented, not Robin's view of the world. Only Robin has Robin's view of the world. I'm glad to know you understand this, Xeno. Now perhaps you can grasp why I suggested that YOU READ ROBIN'S POSTS rather than having me interpret them for you. (For that matter, you might want to read *your own* posts so you can avoid contradicting yourself.) snip
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here. I would be helpful Judy, when you criticise, to provide the *correct* interpretation. Sorry, but I'm not going to do your homework for you. When you say someone is wrong and leave it at that, it serves no purpose, A person of intellectual integrity, on being told they had it wrong, would go look up *at the very least* some of the posts that had been addressed to them. because it is then unclear that you know the proper understanding either, Nice try, no cigar. in which case the criticism has no value. Examples are welcome. How about examples of Robin having confirmed that what I've said about what he's told us is accurate? There have been a number of those. After I wrote that, and before I read this, I was reading something that Robin wrote to Emily, and it was not what I had encountered before, but it was different enough that it made me wonder how consistent he is in what he is espousing or whether a shift in his experience is going on, If you'd been reading his posts, *even those to you*, with any attention, with any genuine effort at understanding, you'd know he's very consistent. or based on my past experience with him, whether he is just reeling her in. Reeling her in. Another nice one. See, one of the reasons I'm not inclined to help you out here is that you're obviously determined to be as offensive to Robin as you can manage--even if you have to be offensive to other people at the same time. (Unless you're also pissed off at Emily, of course, in which case you got two birds with one stone.) So what's the deal, Xeno? Aren't you supposed to be a line-in-air guy? snip Your view of the world is not the only view of the world that the world has. I've been talking about *Robin's* view of the world. When Robin is speaking or writing, that is Robin's view of the world. When I am speaking or writing, it is my view of the world that comes through. When Barry is speaking or writing, Barry's view of the world is what is presented. When you are speaking or writing, it is your view of the world that is presented. If you are talking about Robin's view of the world, then it is *your view* of what you consider *Robin's view* of the world that is presented, not Robin's view of the world. Only Robin has Robin's view of the world. Only Robin has Robin's experience, only I have my experience, only Barry has Barry's experience, and only you have your experience. That individuated aspect of experience is connected to each of us alone, that is, the individual human body. I suppose that has something to do with personal ontology. I can only presume what Robin knows as a direct experience, by analogy with my own. I can formulate theories that try to match my description of my experience with what I think Robin's is; obviously this procedure may result in a very bad match depending on the individual characteristics of the bodies involved. Our thoughts and those meta constructions of thought called hypotheses and theories are analogues of our experience, but they are not the experience itself, they are often very crude representations, especially if what we experience is sublime. What we trade here on FFL is not reality, but our individuated descriptions of reality. We are manipulating our symbols for reality. Those symbols have their own sort of reality, but it is not the reality we are attempting to describe. When we mistake the symbols for the experience, we trade reality for a lie. If anybody has a spiritual experience, and they want to talk about it, they have to participate in a lie. When you are attempting to communicate a spiritual idea or priniple, the hope is always that
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here. I would be helpful Judy, when you criticise, to provide the *correct* interpretation. snip Your view of the world is not the only view of the world that the world has. I've been talking about *Robin's* view of the world. When Robin is speaking or writing, that is Robin's view of the world. When I am speaking or writing, it is my view of the world that comes through. When Barry is speaking or writing, Barry's view of the world is what is presented. When you are speaking or writing, it is your view of the world that is presented. If you are talking about Robin's view of the world, then it is *your view* of what you consider *Robin's view* of the world that is presented, not Robin's view of the world. Only Robin has Robin's view of the world. I'm glad to know you understand this, Xeno. Now perhaps you can grasp why I suggested that YOU READ ROBIN'S POSTS rather than having me interpret them for you. (For that matter, you might want to read *your own* posts so you can avoid contradicting yourself.) snip If Robin wants to pipe in on something I wrote concerning him, or ignore such, why not just let him do that? You tend to come in to defend your view of what others say, rather than let them fend for themselves or let them just let it lie as is. Now I have probably done that in the past too. Probably a bad habit.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip I do not know yet, if this is something like Robin's talking about personal ontology. So far he has not expressed it in a way that has resulted in universal agreement here as to its value or its connexion with each of our world views. Expression of ideas resonate differently with different people and one mode of expression does not seem to work across the board. You have to try out different things, to see if it works or not, to see if you can connect with another's view of reality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFuniFSP2fofeature=related http://tinyurl.com/cxzl6yv ROTFL. Brilliant (both in this context and on its own terms). God, I miss that show. This scene is a work of genius.
Re: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
Yep, I vote for Robin being more enlightened (no, don't ask me what it means) based solely on this video, and I will defend this position no matter how many admonishments I might get for egging on someone Barry (and perhaps Susan) thinks is mentally ill. Or, I'll just throw in my lot with the mentally ill on this forum and call it good. After all, than I can be as off the wall as I please :) And this does please me. From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 3:44 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here. I would be helpful Judy, when you criticise, to provide the *correct* interpretation. Sorry, but I'm not going to do your homework for you. When you say someone is wrong and leave it at that, it serves no purpose, A person of intellectual integrity, on being told they had it wrong, would go look up *at the very least* some of the posts that had been addressed to them. because it is then unclear that you know the proper understanding either, Nice try, no cigar. in which case the criticism has no value. Examples are welcome. How about examples of Robin having confirmed that what I've said about what he's told us is accurate? There have been a number of those. After I wrote that, and before I read this, I was reading something that Robin wrote to Emily, and it was not what I had encountered before, but it was different enough that it made me wonder how consistent he is in what he is espousing or whether a shift in his experience is going on, If you'd been reading his posts, *even those to you*, with any attention, with any genuine effort at understanding, you'd know he's very consistent. or based on my past experience with him, whether he is just reeling her in. Reeling her in. Another nice one. See, one of the reasons I'm not inclined to help you out here is that you're obviously determined to be as offensive to Robin as you can manage--even if you have to be offensive to other people at the same time. (Unless you're also pissed off at Emily, of course, in which case you got two birds with one stone.) So what's the deal, Xeno? Aren't you supposed to be a line-in-air guy? snip Your view of the world is not the only view of the world that the world has. I've been talking about *Robin's* view of the world. When Robin is speaking or writing, that is Robin's view of the world. When I am speaking or writing, it is my view of the world that comes through. When Barry is speaking or writing, Barry's view of the world is what is presented. When you are speaking or writing, it is your view of the world that is presented. If you are talking about Robin's view of the world, then it is *your view* of what you consider *Robin's view* of the world that is presented, not Robin's view of the world. Only Robin has Robin's view of the world. Only Robin has Robin's experience, only I have my experience, only Barry has Barry's experience, and only you have your experience. That individuated aspect of experience is connected to each of us alone, that is, the individual human body. I suppose that has something to do with personal ontology. I can only presume what Robin knows as a direct experience, by analogy with my own. I can formulate theories that try to match my description of my experience with what I think Robin's is; obviously this procedure may result in a very bad match depending on the individual characteristics of the bodies involved. Our thoughts and those meta constructions of thought called hypotheses and theories are analogues of our experience
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Yep, I vote for Robin being more enlightened (no, don't ask me what it means) based solely on this video, and I will defend this position no matter how many admonishments I might get for egging on someone Barry (and perhaps Susan) thinks is mentally ill. Or, I'll just throw in my lot with the mentally ill on this forum and call it good. I'll join you, Emily. (Except that Barry already thinks I'm mentally ill--along with the rest of his critics.) After all, than I can be as off the wall as I please :) And this does please me. The mentally ill among us sure seem to be enjoying themselves a lot more than the purportedly sane. From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip I do not know yet, if this is something like Robin's talking about personal ontology. So far he has not expressed it in a way that has resulted in universal agreement here as to its value or its connexion with each of our world views. Expression of ideas resonate differently with different people and one mode of expression does not seem to work across the board. You have to try out different things, to see if it works or not, to see if you can connect with another's view of reality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFuniFSP2fofeature=related http://tinyurl.com/cxzl6yv
Re: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
If there is one thing I have learned from FFL, it is the ability to laugh and giggle endlessly at the forum members and myself and life at large. A much *better* state of mind than the alternative. Thank you, oh so intelligent one:) :) From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Yep, I vote for Robin being more enlightened (no, don't ask me what it means) based solely on this video, and I will defend this position no matter how many admonishments I might get for egging on someone Barry (and perhaps Susan) thinks is mentally ill. Or, I'll just throw in my lot with the mentally ill on this forum and call it good. I'll join you, Emily. (Except that Barry already thinks I'm mentally ill--along with the rest of his critics.) After all, than I can be as off the wall as I please :) And this does please me. The mentally ill among us sure seem to be enjoying themselves a lot more than the purportedly sane. From: Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip I do not know yet, if this is something like Robin's talking about personal ontology. So far he has not expressed it in a way that has resulted in universal agreement here as to its value or its connexion with each of our world views. Expression of ideas resonate differently with different people and one mode of expression does not seem to work across the board. You have to try out different things, to see if it works or not, to see if you can connect with another's view of reality. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFuniFSP2fofeature=related http://tinyurl.com/cxzl6yv
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here. I would be helpful Judy, when you criticise, to provide the *correct* interpretation. snip Your view of the world is not the only view of the world that the world has. I've been talking about *Robin's* view of the world. When Robin is speaking or writing, that is Robin's view of the world. When I am speaking or writing, it is my view of the world that comes through. When Barry is speaking or writing, Barry's view of the world is what is presented. When you are speaking or writing, it is your view of the world that is presented. If you are talking about Robin's view of the world, then it is *your view* of what you consider *Robin's view* of the world that is presented, not Robin's view of the world. Only Robin has Robin's view of the world. I'm glad to know you understand this, Xeno. Now perhaps you can grasp why I suggested that YOU READ ROBIN'S POSTS rather than having me interpret them for you. (For that matter, you might want to read *your own* posts so you can avoid contradicting yourself.) snip If Robin wants to pipe in on something I wrote concerning him, or ignore such, why not just let him do that? This may come as a surprise to you, Xeno, but I don't get to determine what Robin does or does not do. He's free to pipe in or not, as he chooses--just as I am. You tend to come in to defend your view of what others say, rather than let them fend for themselves or let them just let it lie as is. Again, nothing I say prevents anybody from saying what they want to say. And again, I'll remind you that what I said was that you should READ ROBIN'S POSTS before taking it upon yourself to characterize his views. That was a little tip designed to help you avoid embarrassing yourself further, because what he's said very explicitly does not conform to your characterizations. I mean, it's all too obvious why you wish I'd shut up, but you aren't going to get very far. Live with it.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dear Xeno First I want to clarify a few things. I never took your initial statement of a few days ago (that I seemed to enter FFL on the backdraft of Robin and you were sort of wondering what that was all about) as anything as innocent curiosity. When you wrote that I didn't believe that you were insinuating anything untoward or hostile or were, indeed, implying much of anything other than you noticed I came to FFL when Robin was posting back in January. And indeed I did. Robin was the impetus for making the statement I did at the time concerning my previous involvement in WTS. There had been, at the time of my first posting, an ongoing discussion with Vaj and Robin over the truth or untruth of Vaj's having attended Robin's seminars 29 years previously. All of this Judy has alluded to and which you can read (I wouldn't personally bother) if you like. These would be the posts I wrote over the last 9 months. Robin left shortly after my appearance and I continued to post for a while until I decided most of the subject matter didn't really interest me here, including the negativity that I had continually encountered with Barry both personally and in reading his posts to others. So I stepped away. Robin started to post again and the inevitable negativity and questions and digs started up again with regard to him and his past history and I found myself wanting to engage, correct, counteract some of this. Not to protect or misconstrue history but to do what I do in my real life - that is I have a hard time with bullies, with those who try and push others around or to fabricate and skew the facts - and so I don't stand idly by and watch. I get involved and it is not just with certain subjects regarding Robin but with anyone who I feel needs support or back up or as a way to engage someone in order to get to know them better or to figure out where they are coming from. And this time, upon returning, I had figured out a few things with regard to how these forums work and I also found myself getting to know people better and wanting to stay posting because things were more interesting for me with regard to some subject matter as well. I began to feel like part of the group and to gravitate towards certain personalities that I found either worth getting to know or who were intelligent, not overly belligerent and could add something to my life experience. (You happen to be one those people.) So, not to belabour anything here, I just wanted to tell you that I hold no grudge, animosity, contempt, doubts about your intention with regard to me or your musings on my presence here. I have no agenda. Agenda implies to me a plan, an itinerary, a pre- thought-out scheme of where I am going and what I am trying to accomplish. There is no plan other than for today I need to address the lie that has surfaced with regard to my having, in some manner, revealed to outside people Vaj's personal contact information. That is all I wanted to say to you, and I felt it important that I did so because I don't want you to be distressed (and I am sure you are not) about having gotten some things wrong with regard to dates etc. It doesn't matter. I know what I am doing at FFL (most of the time), if no one else does I don't blame them. Life is a lot bigger than this forum. This was a wonderful post Ann, thank you for responding; this clears up a lot of things. To the extent I have followed your posts, it has been balancing for the forum here, which as you noted can get a bit dicey at times. Being on the forum is an interesting experience. I think the most interesting transformation has been with Emily who has gotten considerably pyschologically stronger as she continued to post here. I think on a 'spiritual' forum such as this, we generally are not talking about spirituality at all, but rather about our stuff, the stuff that prevents our experiencing it. I think we are also demonstrating, virulently in many cases, how non spiritual we are at times. So, yes, in a way we are wading through stuff that is preventing us from experiencing it if you like. Perhaps not always consciously. I also don't think many here are that interested in spirituality as a topic of real discussion that manifests in a way that could be regarded as typical. Most of those kinds of people have been scared away! I have gotten used to Barry, but a lot of what goes on here revolves around him. I think he could use some softening up, and the ladies here don't seem to be up to the task. No one is. Maybe a bunch of bikers with blackjacks. Still, as I said,
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here. I would be helpful Judy, when you criticise, to provide the *correct* interpretation. When you say someone is wrong and leave it at that, it serves no purpose, because it is then unclear that you know the proper understanding either, in which case the criticism has no value. Examples are welcome. After I wrote that, and before I read this, I was reading something that Robin wrote to Emily, and it was not what I had encountered before, but it was different enough that it made me wonder how consistent he is in what he is espousing or whether a shift in his experience is going on, or based on my past experience with him, whether he is just reeling her in. The jury (in my mind) is out on that. I probably won't have time to work it out before I leave the Internet behind for a short time. Everything we think about others is a kind of interpretation, not a reality set in stone. What happens in the world is unalterable once it has happened but the understandings of that, mind to mind, is very variable. Just compare the RNC and the upcoming DNC, for example, in the views presented. Your view of the world is not the only view of the world that the world has.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebOXokj_JsM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here. I would be helpful Judy, when you criticise, to provide the *correct* interpretation. When you say someone is wrong and leave it at that, it serves no purpose, because it is then unclear that you know the proper understanding either, in which case the criticism has no value. Examples are welcome. After I wrote that, and before I read this, I was reading something that Robin wrote to Emily, and it was not what I had encountered before, but it was different enough that it made me wonder how consistent he is in what he is espousing or whether a shift in his experience is going on, or based on my past experience with him, whether he is just reeling her in. The jury (in my mind) is out on that. I probably won't have time to work it out before I leave the Internet behind for a short time. Everything we think about others is a kind of interpretation, not a reality set in stone. What happens in the world is unalterable once it has happened but the understandings of that, mind to mind, is very variable. Just compare the RNC and the upcoming DNC, for example, in the views presented. Your view of the world is not the only view of the world that the world has.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here. I would be helpful Judy, when you criticise, to provide the *correct* interpretation. Sorry, but I'm not going to do your homework for you. When you say someone is wrong and leave it at that, it serves no purpose, A person of intellectual integrity, on being told they had it wrong, would go look up *at the very least* some of the posts that had been addressed to them. because it is then unclear that you know the proper understanding either, Nice try, no cigar. in which case the criticism has no value. Examples are welcome. How about examples of Robin having confirmed that what I've said about what he's told us is accurate? There have been a number of those. After I wrote that, and before I read this, I was reading something that Robin wrote to Emily, and it was not what I had encountered before, but it was different enough that it made me wonder how consistent he is in what he is espousing or whether a shift in his experience is going on, If you'd been reading his posts, *even those to you*, with any attention, with any genuine effort at understanding, you'd know he's very consistent. or based on my past experience with him, whether he is just reeling her in. Reeling her in. Another nice one. See, one of the reasons I'm not inclined to help you out here is that you're obviously determined to be as offensive to Robin as you can manage--even if you have to be offensive to other people at the same time. (Unless you're also pissed off at Emily, of course, in which case you got two birds with one stone.) So what's the deal, Xeno? Aren't you supposed to be a line-in-air guy? snip Your view of the world is not the only view of the world that the world has. I've been talking about *Robin's* view of the world.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Dear Xeno First I want to clarify a few things. I never took your initial statement of a few days ago (that I seemed to enter FFL on the backdraft of Robin and you were sort of wondering what that was all about) as anything as innocent curiosity. When you wrote that I didn't believe that you were insinuating anything untoward or hostile or were, indeed, implying much of anything other than you noticed I came to FFL when Robin was posting back in January. And indeed I did. Robin was the impetus for making the statement I did at the time concerning my previous involvement in WTS. There had been, at the time of my first posting, an ongoing discussion with Vaj and Robin over the truth or untruth of Vaj's having attended Robin's seminars 29 years previously. All of this Judy has alluded to and which you can read (I wouldn't personally bother) if you like. These would be the posts I wrote over the last 9 months. Robin left shortly after my appearance and I continued to post for a while until I decided most of the subject matter didn't really interest me here, including the negativity that I had continually encountered with Barry both personally and in reading his posts to others. So I stepped away. Robin started to post again and the inevitable negativity and questions and digs started up again with regard to him and his past history and I found myself wanting to engage, correct, counteract some of this. Not to protect or misconstrue history but to do what I do in my real life - that is I have a hard time with bullies, with those who try and push others around or to fabricate and skew the facts - and so I don't stand idly by and watch. I get involved and it is not just with certain subjects regarding Robin but with anyone who I feel needs support or back up or as a way to engage someone in order to get to know them better or to figure out where they are coming from. And this time, upon returning, I had figured out a few things with regard to how these forums work and I also found myself getting to know people better and wanting to stay posting because things were more interesting for me with regard to some subject matter as well. I began to feel like part of the group and to gravitate towards certain personalities that I found either worth getting to know or who were intelligent, not overly belligerent and could add something to my life experience. (You happen to be one those people.) So, not to belabour anything here, I just wanted to tell you that I hold no grudge, animosity, contempt, doubts about your intention with regard to me or your musings on my presence here. I have no agenda. Agenda implies to me a plan, an itinerary, a pre- thought-out scheme of where I am going and what I am trying to accomplish. There is no plan other than for today I need to address the lie that has surfaced with regard to my having, in some manner, revealed to outside people Vaj's personal contact information. That is all I wanted to say to you, and I felt it important that I did so because I don't want you to be distressed (and I am sure you are not) about having gotten some things wrong with regard to dates etc. It doesn't matter. I know what I am doing at FFL (most of the time), if no one else does I don't blame them. Life is a lot bigger than this forum. This was a wonderful post Ann, thank you for responding; this clears up a lot of things. To the extent I have followed your posts, it has been balancing for the forum here, which as you noted can get a bit dicey at times. Being on the forum is an interesting experience. I think the most interesting transformation has been with Emily who has gotten considerably pyschologically stronger as she continued to post here. I think on a 'spiritual' forum such as this, we generally are not talking about spirituality at all, but rather about our stuff, the stuff that prevents our experiencing it. I have gotten used to Barry, but a lot of what goes on here revolves around him. I think he could use some softening up, and the ladies here don't seem to be up to the task. No one is. Maybe a bunch of bikers with blackjacks. Still, as I said, I think he is more spiritually advanced than Robin, because his insight into the foibles of people caught up in spirituality are usually rather dead on, plus he does have a wicked sense of humor. Maybe those 17 years of feuding with Judith have engraved their mark on his non-existent soul (I don't have one of those either). Much is made of his having been taken in by Lenz, and for those who think MMY was also a con, MMY as well. But in fact all sprituality, Western or Eastern is about finding out what is real or true, and that means as one gets into it, and we move in that direction,
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: When Buck suggests removing people from the forum or reducing the number of posts, I tend to think rather than reducing the number of posts, that if software could be developed to not accept posts that were just a single line, but required everyone to write at least, say, three paragraphs of three complete sentences each, with a minimum number of characters required, thus forcing us to think before posting, might work out better. I noticed that there were a lot of posts to youtube posts, songs and whatnot that served as comments on this thread. Maybe we are getting lazy and letting others say what we want to say. In the spirit of the original Subject line of this thread, my comment is below. The three paragraphs of explanation that follow the link (each containing at least three full sentences) are written in a kind of super- secret Tantra cyber-ink. Only those who are really spiritually advanced can see them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws . . . . . . . . . . . .
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Xeno, what you say about me is true in that I *am* recovering from a pretty near-on total collapse of mind, body, and spirit.  It was in the works for awhile and I have benefited from the forum - I feel less crazy, for one thing :).  Now, of course, while I agree with you re: Barry's guerilla war tactics, I disagree that Robin doesn't  also challenge the foibles of those caught up in spirituality  and, I think he has an extremely well-refined wicked sense of humor.  Yes, Barry needs finishing school, at the very least.  Ha. Have a fabulous vacation - the best vacations are those out of touch with technology, IMO.  And, thank you for the musical link - lovely.  I always enjoy what you write, btw, and thank you for being here.  As for Robin 'not challenging spiritual foibles', I am not sure I said that. I think I said I thought he did not get it right, that I disagreed with him. He does challenge, but it is not always clear to me what his motivation is. One has to go about this from experience. If we conceptualise it as being more expanded or less expanded, then if one is more expanded one has a chance of seeing where someone less expanded is hung up; its not guaranteed. If one is less expanded, it is a total guess. One has to 'read between the lines' of what one says, how they say it. Robin now takes a position that, as far as the direction most people on this forum, especially the TM TBs, this was clearly wrong. And he has undone himself with regard to this spiritual direction and seems to have adopted another one. But in negating and destroying the perception he claimed he had achieved, this would, it would appear, that he has destroyed the perception necessary to evaluate this particular kind of spiritual odyssey, that is unity consciousness, or just unity. Now he has 'replaced' this with another kind of spiritual perception, which on the face of it, would indicate all of us other peons on the forum have made a serious mistake. My opinion on this is he has taken a road down a Catholic or Catholic-like doctrine, a definite religious doctrine. For me, attempting evaluation of someone else has to do with being internally and externally rather like nothing. Spirit is basically like nothing, like the hole in a donut. One 'compares' the person one is evaluating in an attempt to see how much like nothing they are. This is rather the opposite of 'personal ontology' which Robin espouses. Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. Whatever path one follows, it has to seem real to one, for a long stretch of the journey, it has to seem real, otherwise one would not keep tagging along that path. Thus, I see spiritual progress as a kind of hallucination, one that seems grander than the usual day-to-day grind of living, that leads us on. If spirituality is really real, and at the end, we find reality, what is it that is at the end of the path? If you get to the end of a path, it stops. What is there? You cannot go any further. In TM this is expressed as the unbounded field of life. It is unbound, no boundaries. Both inside and outside. What is that like? Pure spirit? Empty space? A donut hole of infinite extent? Zen Buddhists call it the Void. The Taoists the uncarved block. I do not know what Christians call the end of the path; most of the versions there seem to put that result after you die, so pretty much you cannot find out during life. Christian mystics have a different take on this, but as I was never a Christian my knowledge of this area of spiritual hiking is rather scant.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbyuFzoQGV0feature=related http://tinyurl.com/9ru4nk8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Xeno, what you say about me is true in that I *am* recovering from a pretty near-on total collapse of mind, body, and spirit.  It was in the works for awhile and I have benefited from the forum - I feel less crazy, for one thing :).  Now, of course, while I agree with you re: Barry's guerilla war tactics, I disagree that Robin doesn't  also challenge the foibles of those caught up in spirituality  and, I think he has an extremely well-refined wicked sense of humor.  Yes, Barry needs finishing school, at the very least.  Ha. Have a fabulous vacation - the best vacations are those out of touch with technology, IMO.  And, thank you for the musical link - lovely.  I always enjoy what you write, btw, and thank you for being here.  As for Robin 'not challenging spiritual foibles', I am not sure I said that. I think I said I thought he did not get it right, that I disagreed with him. He does challenge, but it is not always clear to me what his motivation is. One has to go about this from experience. If we conceptualise it as being more expanded or less expanded, then if one is more expanded one has a chance of seeing where someone less expanded is hung up; its not guaranteed. If one is less expanded, it is a total guess. One has to 'read between the lines' of what one says, how they say it. Robin now takes a position that, as far as the direction most people on this forum, especially the TM TBs, this was clearly wrong. And he has undone himself with regard to this spiritual direction and seems to have adopted another one. But in negating and destroying the perception he claimed he had achieved, this would, it would appear, that he has destroyed the perception necessary to evaluate this particular kind of spiritual odyssey, that is unity consciousness, or just unity. Now he has 'replaced' this with another kind of spiritual perception, which on the face of it, would indicate all of us other peons on the forum have made a serious mistake. My opinion on this is he has taken a road down a Catholic or Catholic-like doctrine, a definite religious doctrine. For me, attempting evaluation of someone else has to do with being internally and externally rather like nothing. Spirit is basically like nothing, like the hole in a donut. One 'compares' the person one is evaluating in an attempt to see how much like nothing they are. This is rather the opposite of 'personal ontology' which Robin espouses. Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. Whatever path one follows, it has to seem real to one, for a long stretch of the journey, it has to seem real, otherwise one would not keep tagging along that path. Thus, I see spiritual progress as a kind of hallucination, one that seems grander than the usual day-to-day grind of living, that leads us on. If spirituality is really real, and at the end, we find reality, what is it that is at the end of the path? If you get to the end of a path, it stops. What is there? You cannot go any further. In TM this is expressed as the unbounded field of life. It is unbound, no boundaries. Both inside and outside. What is that like? Pure spirit? Empty space? A donut hole of infinite extent? Zen Buddhists call it the Void. The Taoists the uncarved block. I do not know what Christians call the end of the path; most of the versions there seem to put that result after you die, so pretty much you cannot find out during life. Christian mystics have a different take on this, but as I was never a Christian my knowledge of this area of spiritual hiking is rather scant.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1SfzV67Bqw --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Xeno, what you say about me is true in that I *am* recovering from a pretty near-on total collapse of mind, body, and spirit.  It was in the works for awhile and I have benefited from the forum - I feel less crazy, for one thing :).  Now, of course, while I agree with you re: Barry's guerilla war tactics, I disagree that Robin doesn't  also challenge the foibles of those caught up in spirituality  and, I think he has an extremely well-refined wicked sense of humor.  Yes, Barry needs finishing school, at the very least.  Ha. Have a fabulous vacation - the best vacations are those out of touch with technology, IMO.  And, thank you for the musical link - lovely.  I always enjoy what you write, btw, and thank you for being here.  As for Robin 'not challenging spiritual foibles', I am not sure I said that. I think I said I thought he did not get it right, that I disagreed with him. He does challenge, but it is not always clear to me what his motivation is. One has to go about this from experience. If we conceptualise it as being more expanded or less expanded, then if one is more expanded one has a chance of seeing where someone less expanded is hung up; its not guaranteed. If one is less expanded, it is a total guess. One has to 'read between the lines' of what one says, how they say it. Robin now takes a position that, as far as the direction most people on this forum, especially the TM TBs, this was clearly wrong. And he has undone himself with regard to this spiritual direction and seems to have adopted another one. But in negating and destroying the perception he claimed he had achieved, this would, it would appear, that he has destroyed the perception necessary to evaluate this particular kind of spiritual odyssey, that is unity consciousness, or just unity. Now he has 'replaced' this with another kind of spiritual perception, which on the face of it, would indicate all of us other peons on the forum have made a serious mistake. My opinion on this is he has taken a road down a Catholic or Catholic-like doctrine, a definite religious doctrine. For me, attempting evaluation of someone else has to do with being internally and externally rather like nothing. Spirit is basically like nothing, like the hole in a donut. One 'compares' the person one is evaluating in an attempt to see how much like nothing they are. This is rather the opposite of 'personal ontology' which Robin espouses. Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. Whatever path one follows, it has to seem real to one, for a long stretch of the journey, it has to seem real, otherwise one would not keep tagging along that path. Thus, I see spiritual progress as a kind of hallucination, one that seems grander than the usual day-to-day grind of living, that leads us on. If spirituality is really real, and at the end, we find reality, what is it that is at the end of the path? If you get to the end of a path, it stops. What is there? You cannot go any further. In TM this is expressed as the unbounded field of life. It is unbound, no boundaries. Both inside and outside. What is that like? Pure spirit? Empty space? A donut hole of infinite extent? Zen Buddhists call it the Void. The Taoists the uncarved block. I do not know what Christians call the end of the path; most of the versions there seem to put that result after you die, so pretty much you cannot find out during life. Christian mystics have a different take on this, but as I was never a Christian my knowledge of this area of spiritual hiking is rather scant.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmv3WlKa6U8 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@ wrote: Xeno, what you say about me is true in that I *am* recovering from a pretty near-on total collapse of mind, body, and spirit.  It was in the works for awhile and I have benefited from the forum - I feel less crazy, for one thing :).  Now, of course, while I agree with you re: Barry's guerilla war tactics, I disagree that Robin doesn't  also challenge the foibles of those caught up in spirituality  and, I think he has an extremely well-refined wicked sense of humor.  Yes, Barry needs finishing school, at the very least.  Ha. Have a fabulous vacation - the best vacations are those out of touch with technology, IMO.  And, thank you for the musical link - lovely.  I always enjoy what you write, btw, and thank you for being here.  As for Robin 'not challenging spiritual foibles', I am not sure I said that. I think I said I thought he did not get it right, that I disagreed with him. He does challenge, but it is not always clear to me what his motivation is. One has to go about this from experience. If we conceptualise it as being more expanded or less expanded, then if one is more expanded one has a chance of seeing where someone less expanded is hung up; its not guaranteed. If one is less expanded, it is a total guess. One has to 'read between the lines' of what one says, how they say it. Robin now takes a position that, as far as the direction most people on this forum, especially the TM TBs, this was clearly wrong. And he has undone himself with regard to this spiritual direction and seems to have adopted another one. But in negating and destroying the perception he claimed he had achieved, this would, it would appear, that he has destroyed the perception necessary to evaluate this particular kind of spiritual odyssey, that is unity consciousness, or just unity. Now he has 'replaced' this with another kind of spiritual perception, which on the face of it, would indicate all of us other peons on the forum have made a serious mistake. My opinion on this is he has taken a road down a Catholic or Catholic-like doctrine, a definite religious doctrine. For me, attempting evaluation of someone else has to do with being internally and externally rather like nothing. Spirit is basically like nothing, like the hole in a donut. One 'compares' the person one is evaluating in an attempt to see how much like nothing they are. This is rather the opposite of 'personal ontology' which Robin espouses. Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. Whatever path one follows, it has to seem real to one, for a long stretch of the journey, it has to seem real, otherwise one would not keep tagging along that path. Thus, I see spiritual progress as a kind of hallucination, one that seems grander than the usual day-to-day grind of living, that leads us on. If spirituality is really real, and at the end, we find reality, what is it that is at the end of the path? If you get to the end of a path, it stops. What is there? You cannot go any further. In TM this is expressed as the unbounded field of life. It is unbound, no boundaries. Both inside and outside. What is that like? Pure spirit? Empty space? A donut hole of infinite extent? Zen Buddhists call it the Void. The Taoists the uncarved block. I do not know what Christians call the end of the path; most of the versions there seem to put that result after you die, so pretty much you cannot find out during life. Christian mystics have a different take on this, but as I was never a Christian my knowledge of this area of spiritual hiking is rather scant.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip Of course the other thing Robin could be doing, in the wake of the disaster of being a world teacher, is regressing to another path that he now feels more comfortable with, Regressing--nice choice of words, Xeno. a path through Catholicism or an analogue thereof, wherein he is discovering his relationship with the wholeness of life via the concept of God and this god's attendant attributes, such as Jesus etc. This is the way Christian saints have evolved spiritually. It would be really helpful in understanding Robin's take on spirituality if you would read his posts rather than just making it up. If you don't want to bother to read his posts, best not to try to describe his path lest you get it wrong *again*, as you have here.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, A number of people who did not wish Robin well were indulging in that speculation. which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. No, there's no but here, no seemed, and no however. Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result of seeing Robin's posts; and she did so on her own hook, having had no communication with Robin for over 25 years. This is all as clear as crystal from what Ann has told us. Now, Xeno, if you want to accuse Ann of lying, have the guts to do it straight out, to her face. Stop with the little hints and insinuations and attempts to muddy what Ann has said. I had other things on my mind, I had no thought that Ann was lying, it never crossed my mind. I still do not think Vaj made a case that he was with Robin at any time. I
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, A number of people who did not wish Robin well were indulging in that speculation. which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. No, there's no but here, no seemed, and no however. Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result of seeing Robin's posts; and she did so on her own hook, having had no communication with Robin for over 25 years. This is all as clear as crystal from what Ann has told us. Now, Xeno, if you want to accuse Ann of lying, have the guts to do it straight out, to her face. Stop with the little hints and insinuations and attempts to muddy what Ann has said. I had other things on my mind, I had no thought that Ann was lying, it never crossed my mind. I still do not think Vaj made a case that he was with Robin at any time. I
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Life is a lot bigger than this forum. [=D] My dear Horse Whisper, scented with rosemary, cinnamon, with this charming post you draw these in their heart tender giants - with searing breath, glistening veins, steady tread and the pride, most of all their pride they shouted for you, eyes revolved in stately heads- to your steady tender hands Thank you--- you made my day..uh--night --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, A number of people who did not wish Robin well were indulging in that speculation. which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. No, there's no but here, no seemed, and no however. Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result of seeing Robin's posts;
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Ann: I've got your back. Ha ha. Needless to say, I don't talk to my children that way and am way less formidable now than in the past. I decided to throw some negativity back in Barry's direction and ultimately ended up in the garden lopping off dead stalks - very satisfying. He's such a drama queen. And, the joke's on me, because while I barely skim what he writes, I do read and watch others, so it's impossible not to be aware of his contributions to some extent. I am laboring this weekend in honor of Labor Day. Have a good one yourself. From: awoelflebater no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 9:09 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling Emily you would be my first draft on any team (dodge ball, spelling bee, debate club, hide and go seek). You are the real deal, the loyal friend, the true heart. I would be privileged to know you would stand beside me, any day, any time. And if I might add, you are one formidable mama. Look out, mae-hem's on the loose. I will respond to all of the Vaj and Barry allegations tomorrow. There are quite a few things for me to cover and I will enjoy doing so. In the meantime that lioness Judy and your loyal self are just jousting like crazy. Just keep galloping, it's breathtaking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Even the first line that shows up on message view?  Like she even cares that you have dumped her? Like she even *expects*  your dumb ass (sorry Doctor) to respond civilly, let alone apologize for being so out of pocket on so many occasions.  Stop being such an idiot.  Be advised that you've been dumped as well.  I will *not*,however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 7:10 AM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? I am merely passing along what I have been told. If it is incorrect, my bad. But it certainly seems believable to me, given how much you still seem to obsess on Robin and those of your fellow cultists who still seem to be unwilling to admit, even as a possibility, We were young, naive, and stupid, and we got taken in by a charismatic charlatan. I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later - and still obsessing on the cult and its founder by stalking him than by anything else. I'm still aghast that *anyone* would have been taken in by him and his act in the first place. But to still be hanging around acting like a groupie, trying to get him to notice you? NOT something that makes me want to interact with you. Have you *looked up* Squeaky Fromme? Do you know who you are being compared to? [ That last is a rhetorical question. I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass. I doubt that this is the case, but just in case. I will *not*, however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. Try to handle it better than Judy has. ]
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Dear Merudanda, Does your universe permit the reality of prose--or is anyone who does not dress up as a poem kept outside the gates of Merudanda? Merudanda is not a mere poet; she will turn my death into beautiful verse for me. So, in being eternal in her intention, she must keep hidden--even from herself--the individual who might otherwise be susceptible to death. But Merudanda always exists in a form that death cannot reach. Because she is always being something beyond just the self-conscious Merudanda. We, each of us, wants to speak to Merudanda but she is always ultimate. She cannot reveal who she is, because she must remain personally transcendent in order to escape herself from death. So, then, we understand our situation: there is our inevitable death, but there is our inevitable Merudanda. Merudanda will save us in the innocence and imperishable beauty of her imagination. We love you, Merudanda. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Life is a lot bigger than this forum. [=D] My dear Horse Whisper, scented with rosemary, cinnamon, with this charming post you draw these in their heart tender giants - with searing breath, glistening veins, steady tread and the pride, most of all their pride they shouted for you, eyes revolved in stately heads- to your steady tender hands Thank you--- you made my day..uh--night --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: snip Dear Xeno First I want to clarify a few things. I never took your initial statement of a few days ago (that I seemed to enter FFL on the backdraft of Robin and you were sort of wondering what that was all about) as anything as innocent curiosity. When you wrote that I didn't believe that you were insinuating anything untoward or hostile or were, indeed, implying much of anything other than you noticed I came to FFL when Robin was posting back in January. And indeed I did. For the record, so Xeno doesn't get confused, I wasn't at all concerned about the backdraft part of his remark. You were explicit right at the start about why you turned up here. There was some dark speculation among those who had taken a dislike to Robin that you had joined us to defend him at his request (and even that you were he in disguise!), but as far as I can recall Xeno never participated in that. I've already explained to Xeno why I found the rest of his remark about you offensive, so I won't go into it again. You and I have different perspectives on Xeno, and that's fine. snip Robin started to post again and the inevitable negativity and questions and digs started up again with regard to him and his past history Just to remind folks, Robin started to post again *because* certain people had decided to start attacking him in his absence, and he felt he needed to correct the intentionally misleading context in which they had done so. He got a warm welcome-back from quite a few others and ended up sticking around. As before, his positive contributions to the forum have been significant. The few people who find him threatening, and who compulsively attack not only him but anyone who enjoys his presence here, have made themselves look small and mean, IMHO.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Life is a lot bigger than this forum. [=D] My dear Horse Whisper, scented with rosemary, cinnamon, with this charming post you draw these in their heart tender giants - with searing breath, glistening veins, steady tread and the pride, most of all their pride they shouted for you, eyes revolved in stately heads- to your steady tender hands Thank you--- you made my day..uh--night Well, sensitive and light-footed Merudanda, you just made my day. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, A number of people who did not wish Robin well were indulging in that speculation. which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: snip Dear Xeno First I want to clarify a few things. I never took your initial statement of a few days ago (that I seemed to enter FFL on the backdraft of Robin and you were sort of wondering what that was all about) as anything as innocent curiosity. When you wrote that I didn't believe that you were insinuating anything untoward or hostile or were, indeed, implying much of anything other than you noticed I came to FFL when Robin was posting back in January. And indeed I did. For the record, so Xeno doesn't get confused, I wasn't at all concerned about the backdraft part of his remark. You were explicit right at the start about why you turned up here. There was some dark speculation among those who had taken a dislike to Robin that you had joined us to defend him at his request (and even that you were he in disguise!), but as far as I can recall Xeno never participated in that. Oh, I was unaware that there was that theory floating around. But no, my stumbling upon FFL at that exact moment when I did was the most amazing timing. And completely by fluke, as a result of a number of coincidences that added up to me popping out from behind the curtain at just the moment I did. Cool. I've already explained to Xeno why I found the rest of his remark about you offensive, so I won't go into it again. You and I have different perspectives on Xeno, and that's fine. But you are a master at keeping things straight and true and it is all documented and organized. This, to me, is the sign of someone wedded to finding and understanding the truth. I think you are a truth seeker in fact! And since I hadn't kept track of my own presence here with regard to my exact timing and posting you made me aware of that as well. So, as far as I'm concerned, it is good. snip Robin started to post again and the inevitable negativity and questions and digs started up again with regard to him and his past history Just to remind folks, Robin started to post again *because* certain people had decided to start attacking him in his absence, and he felt he needed to correct the intentionally misleading context in which they had done so. He got a warm welcome-back from quite a few others and ended up sticking around. As before, his positive contributions to the forum have been significant. The few people who find him threatening, and who compulsively attack not only him but anyone who enjoys his presence here, have made themselves look small and mean, IMHO. I would certainly agree with that.
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OK, let's get this one out of the way so I can continue to move on in some other direction. This is on my to-do list for today so here goes... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. I know Judy has subsequently addressed this blatant inaccuracy so I don't need to do it again. She did a much better job than I would so we can leave it at that, simply that Barry has mixed up, either on purpose or due to laziness the facts on this subject. gentle push in the running. He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. Which has again subsequently been disproved, by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. Wowza Barry, now that is quite the accusation. If your buddy Vaj told you that then he is using you in some way to be the front guy, the one who is putting himself out there for all to see while you shout from the hilltops this ridiculous (and Vaj knows this) assertion. He has either set you up and is laughing about it right now or you misheard what he told you. If anyone is getting in touch with Vaj it is not my doing. I have revealed to no one his personal email address, period. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. And just out of curiosity, who are these people hounding him? I know of three candidates for that, two of which are family members of his and one other, a good friend of one of those family members. You should research the background of your accusations before you undermine further your believability on this forum. No agenda here. Nope. Nope, just the current one to tell you that you are being led down some garden path by Vaj or else you need to get your eyes or hearing tested. Robin, by the grace of God, will you manifest the essence of the heart of Robin Woodsworth Carlsen Through the nervous system of creation, Through the nervous system, Through my nervous system Through me, Through my heart. - a sutra from the Technique for the Discovery of Grace which extends the TM-Sidhi programme I guess we now know what practicing this sutra does for a person, and for how long. We do?
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? I am merely passing along what I have been told. If it is incorrect, my bad. But it certainly seems believable to me, given how much you still seem to obsess on Robin and those of your fellow cultists who still seem to be unwilling to admit, even as a possibility, We were young, naive, and stupid, and we got taken in by a charismatic charlatan. If we/I were to admit such a thing as you have put in quotations above how does that make you feel better, exonerated or right? Would this mean you are/were smarter than I am/was, less gullible in your youth? What if I was to say to you that for me to say what you quoted above would be a lie for me to say? What if I was perjuring myself by saying this, would you still like me to say it? I think I'll choose not to lie and say instead, I was young, curious and intrigued and I learned so much from this charismatic person in the three and a half years I was around him and others. It wasn't always easy or fun or true but damn if I'm not the person I am today because of it. Can I say that Barry? I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later - and still obsessing on the cult and its founder by stalking him than by anything else. My friends and acquaintances during this time 26 years ago barely hit my radar screen today. Lord Knows is the only person I have seen more than three times in the last 25 years and that is because he likes to travel and gets around. I have some dear friends who I don't contact anymore who were there all those years ago and I love them still but they live their own, busy full lives now. As I do. No nostalgia, no reunions, no anniversary celebrations. But there is still lots of love on a personal level between us. Stalking Robin, oh dear. If coexisting on a forum with others is considered stalking then, well, do I need to finish this sentence? I'm still aghast that *anyone* would have been taken in by him and his act in the first place. But to still be hanging around acting like a groupie, trying to get him to notice you? NOT something that makes me want to interact with you. Well, dear Barry, other than this post you have not interacted with me since I returned the second time. And from what you say later in this post you will have dumped me which I already assumed you had based on previous statements by yourself. So, nothing different there except that it turns out you had been reading my stuff but now you won't be. Bet you will. Have you *looked up* Squeaky Fromme? Do you know who you are being compared to? Sure, but it means nothing coming from you. You could compare me to a baby beluga for all the relevance it carries. Come to think of it, I love belugas and the babies are just so damn cute. [ That last is a rhetorical question. I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass. Hmm, looks like I answered it anyway but see above on the liklihood you have been duped. I can't say why Vaj would want to do this to you but then I don't have to know, nor do I want to. You two have your own thing going on. I doubt that this is the case, but just in case. I will *not*, however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. Try to handle it better than Judy has. ] Dumped - maybe 'dumped on' which is what I always expect from you. By the way, no response is necessary, I think you should concentrate on your buddy Vaj and figure out what he is up to.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: snip Sure, but it means nothing coming from you. You could compare me to a baby beluga for all the relevance it carries. Come to think of it, I love belugas and the babies are just so damn cute. [Kasegaluk Lagoon in Alaska - Beluga whales]
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SEE WHAT I MEAN? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: snip Sure, but it means nothing coming from you. You could compare me to a baby beluga for all the relevance it carries. Come to think of it, I love belugas and the babies are just so damn cute. [Kasegaluk Lagoon in Alaska - Beluga whales]
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: OK, let's get this one out of the way so I can continue to move on in some other direction. This is on my to-do list for today so here goes... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. Wowza Barry, now that is quite the accusation. If your buddy Vaj told you that then he is using you in some way to be the front guy, the one who is putting himself out there for all to see while you shout from the hilltops this ridiculous (and Vaj knows this) assertion. He has either set you up and is laughing about it right now or you misheard what he told you. If anyone is getting in touch with Vaj it is not my doing. I have revealed to no one his personal email address, period. I wonder if Vaj is just going to leave Barry twisting slowly, slowly in the wind. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. And just out of curiosity, who are these people hounding him? I know of three candidates for that, two of which are family members of his and one other, a good friend of one of those family members. You should research the background of your accusations before you undermine further your believability on this forum. I can't resist. In your post to Barry yesterday, you wrote: Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? And he commented: I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later You meant *Vaj's* family, of course (and never used the word us). But either Barry was so taken in by his own delusions about you that he really thought you were referring to your fellow cultists as family, or he was hoping to invoke the image of the murderous Manson Family in the minds of readers. Probably the latter, given his bizarre reference to Squeaky Fromme. It's a little frightening to think of the lies that can be spread in private by people of ill will and no ethics. It's only by pure dumb luck that any of them becomes public so it can be refuted and the liar identified. In this case, we should be grateful for Barry's incredible stupidity.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: OK, let's get this one out of the way so I can continue to move on in some other direction. This is on my to-do list for today so here goes... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. Wowza Barry, now that is quite the accusation. If your buddy Vaj told you that then he is using you in some way to be the front guy, the one who is putting himself out there for all to see while you shout from the hilltops this ridiculous (and Vaj knows this) assertion. He has either set you up and is laughing about it right now or you misheard what he told you. If anyone is getting in touch with Vaj it is not my doing. I have revealed to no one his personal email address, period. I wonder if Vaj is just going to leave Barry twisting slowly, slowly in the wind. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. And just out of curiosity, who are these people hounding him? I know of three candidates for that, two of which are family members of his and one other, a good friend of one of those family members. You should research the background of your accusations before you undermine further your believability on this forum. I can't resist. In your post to Barry yesterday, you wrote: Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? And he commented: I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later You meant *Vaj's* family, of course (and never used the word us). But either Barry was so taken in by his own delusions about you that he really thought you were referring to your fellow cultists as family, or he was hoping to invoke the image of the murderous Manson Family in the minds of readers. Ohhh, I meant Vaj's real family, blood relatives and ex inlaws. God, thank goodness you are here Judy, truth-seeker, to clear these things up. I guess I should have said Vaj's family. I'll be much more specific in the future. Probably the latter, given his bizarre reference to Squeaky Fromme. It's a little frightening to think of the lies that can be spread in private by people of ill will and no ethics. It's only by pure dumb luck that any of them becomes public so it can be refuted and the liar identified. In this case, we should be grateful for Barry's incredible stupidity.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: snip You meant *Vaj's* family, of course (and never used the word us). But either Barry was so taken in by his own delusions about you that he really thought you were referring to your fellow cultists as family, or he was hoping to invoke the image of the murderous Manson Family in the minds of readers. Ohhh, I meant Vaj's real family, blood relatives and ex inlaws. God, thank goodness you are here Judy, truth-seeker, to clear these things up. I guess I should have said Vaj's family. I'll be much more specific in the future. Hey, you made it explicit in your follow-up today. I was just commenting on Barry's idiocy in his response to that earlier post. I doubt anybody fell for his misdirection yesterday in any case.
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I'm in LOVE From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2012 4:18 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: snip Sure, but it means nothing coming from you. You could compare me to a baby beluga for all the relevance it carries. Come to think of it, I love belugas and the babies are just so damn cute.
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Upon reading this (after writing what I did today) I must admit that this is the post of the century. If I had seen this first I would have realized I didn't need to respond to anything. Judy nailed everything. God, you have to get up pretty early to beat this woman to her own game. Ok boss, I am once again your gobsmacked minion. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: I missed this one until Emily quoted it. This man has lost any marbles he may have had. Vaj lied to Barry, Barry stupidly repeated the lie on FFL, Ann told him it was a lie, and Barry *goes off on Ann*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? I am merely passing along what I have been told. If it is incorrect, my bad. But it certainly seems believable to me, given how much you still seem to obsess on Robin and those of your fellow cultists Where exactly does Barry find Ann obsessing on her fellow cultists? The only other of Robin's former followers to post here was Lord Knows, and Ann didn't obsess on him any more than she does on Robin. who still seem to be unwilling to admit, even as a possibility, We were young, naive, and stupid, and we got taken in by a charismatic charlatan. Obviously this is exactly what Lord Knows thought, and he made no bones about it. So that eliminates him as one of Ann's fellow cultists whom Barry insists she obsesses on. Oh, forgot about Vaj, who *claims* to be one of Robin's former followers, although neither Robin nor Ann remember him. But he *also* thinks Robin was a charismatic charlatan, so he can't be counted as one of Ann's fellow cultists either. Remember Barry is the person who got taken in by a charismatic charlatan (who later committed suicide), and he still quotes him and cites his ideas approvingly, as well as maintaining it was an experience he doesn't regret. At least Ann had the cojones to *take action* against Robin when he went off the rails. Barry couldn't be bothered to do anything to stop Freddy Lenz. I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later What the hell is Barry talking about? Ann didn't refer to any of her fellow cultists as us or family. By family above, she meant *Vaj's* family. And she didn't use the word us at all. Even if she had, what exactly would be wrong with her using the term us to refer to members of a group she spent several years with? What would that have to do with her credibility? This is all utterly absurd, but Barry is completely oblivious to what total nonsense he's writing. - and still obsessing on the cult and its founder by stalking him than by anything else. Ann is stalking Robin? What could this *possibly* mean in Barry's sick mind? I'm still aghast that *anyone* would have been taken in by him and his act in the first place. Says Barry, *who wasn't there*, who has *no* idea of what the experience of being around Robin was like. But to still be hanging around acting like a groupie, trying to get him to notice you? Just insane. There's no other word for it. Something is very, very, VERY wrong with Barry. NOT something that makes me want to interact with you. News flash: Ann doesn't have the slightest desire to interact with Barry. She thinks he's an obnoxious jerk, like so many of the rest of us do. Yet he's fantasizing she's yearning to interact with him. Have you *looked up* Squeaky Fromme? Do you know who you are being compared to? This is not a comparison you want to remind anyone you've made, Barry. [ That last is a rhetorical question. I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass. I doubt that this is the case, Now Barry's accusing *Ann* of lying.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. Which has again subsequently been disproved, by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. No agenda here. Nope. Robin, by the grace of God, will you manifest the essence of the heart of Robin Woodsworth Carlsen Through the nervous system of creation, Through the nervous system, Through my nervous system Through me, Through my heart. - a sutra from the Technique for the Discovery of Grace which extends the TM-Sidhi programme I guess we now know what practicing this sutra does for a person, and for how long.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. Which has again subsequently been disproved, by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? No agenda here. Nope. Robin, by the grace of God, will you manifest the essence of the heart of Robin Woodsworth Carlsen Through the nervous system of creation, Through the nervous system, Through my nervous system Through me, Through my heart. - a sutra from the Technique for the Discovery of Grace which extends the TM-Sidhi programme I guess we now know what practicing this sutra does for a person, and for how long.
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The Good Doctor observes that it is doubtful Barry can hear Ann from within his dream. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. Which has again subsequently been disproved, by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? No agenda here. Nope. Robin, by the grace of God, will you manifest the essence of the heart of Robin Woodsworth Carlsen Through the nervous system of creation, Through the nervous system, Through my nervous system Through me, Through my heart. - a sutra from the Technique for the Discovery of Grace which extends the TM-Sidhi programme I guess we now know what practicing this sutra does for a person, and for how long.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? I am merely passing along what I have been told. If it is incorrect, my bad. But it certainly seems believable to me, given how much you still seem to obsess on Robin and those of your fellow cultists who still seem to be unwilling to admit, even as a possibility, We were young, naive, and stupid, and we got taken in by a charismatic charlatan. I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later - and still obsessing on the cult and its founder by stalking him than by anything else. I'm still aghast that *anyone* would have been taken in by him and his act in the first place. But to still be hanging around acting like a groupie, trying to get him to notice you? NOT something that makes me want to interact with you. Have you *looked up* Squeaky Fromme? Do you know who you are being compared to? [ That last is a rhetorical question. I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass. I doubt that this is the case, but just in case. I will *not*, however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. Try to handle it better than Judy has. ]
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Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them... I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information... turquoiseb: I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass... So, who gave Turq the 'misinformation' that set the stalkers on Vaj's ass? Rick or Alex might have a thing or two to say about this. I mean, as long as Turq is outing people on FFL, why not just have him tell us who the drunks in the bar were, that he was eavesdropping on and how in hell did they know Vaj and Ann? LoL!
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? Good grief. It's been clear for some time that what Vaj says in his public posts is not to be trusted. Now we find that he's telling even more blatant lies in email. I guess that isn't surprising, but it's very worrisome, given that the people he's lying about in private have no way to know what's being said about them and thus no way to point out that it's untruthful. Perhaps we should be grateful to Barry in this case for spilling the beans in public. Unless, of course, *he's* lying about what Vaj told him. Goodness knows he has no compunctions whatsoever about lying in his public posts. One can only imagine what falsehoods he must be telling in private. I find it astonishing and inexplicable that some people are so uncomfortable with reality that they have to make up their own.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? I am merely passing along what I have been told. If it is incorrect, my bad. But it certainly seems believable to me, given how much you still seem to obsess on Robin and those of your fellow cultists who still seem to be unwilling to admit, even as a possibility, We were young, naive, and stupid, and we got taken in by a charismatic charlatan. I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later - and still obsessing on the cult and its founder by stalking him than by anything else. I'm still aghast that *anyone* would have been taken in by him and his act in the first place. But to still be hanging around acting like a groupie, trying to get him to notice you? NOT something that makes me want to interact with you. Have you *looked up* Squeaky Fromme? Do you know who you are being compared to? [ That last is a rhetorical question. I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass. I doubt that this is the case, but just in case. I will *not*, however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. Try to handle it better than Judy has. ] The Fox Noise machine trains voters to decide who is telling the truth by using their gut. Steven calls it *truthiness* a quality characterizing a truth that a person claims to know intuitively from the gut or because it feels right without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts. (Wikipedia). Barry has become a victim of *truthiness.* He has no evidence to support or refute anything Vaj says, he just *feels* it's true. Barry is a True Believer. Who knew? I fear what would happen to Barry if he suddenly found out Vaj is a liar: http://youtu.be/EzVxsYzXI_Y P.S. Barry. Oops! I forgot to sign out of another account and accidentally sent this message to you via private email. Oh well, it can happen to anyone, even Dan Friedman.
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Even the first line that shows up on message view? Like she even cares that you have dumped her? Like she even *expects* your dumb ass (sorry Doctor) to respond civilly, let alone apologize for being so out of pocket on so many occasions. Stop being such an idiot. Be advised that you've been dumped as well. I will *not*,however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 7:10 AM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? I am merely passing along what I have been told. If it is incorrect, my bad. But it certainly seems believable to me, given how much you still seem to obsess on Robin and those of your fellow cultists who still seem to be unwilling to admit, even as a possibility, We were young, naive, and stupid, and we got taken in by a charismatic charlatan. I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later - and still obsessing on the cult and its founder by stalking him than by anything else. I'm still aghast that *anyone* would have been taken in by him and his act in the first place. But to still be hanging around acting like a groupie, trying to get him to notice you? NOT something that makes me want to interact with you. Have you *looked up* Squeaky Fromme? Do you know who you are being compared to? [ That last is a rhetorical question. I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass. I doubt that this is the case, but just in case. I will *not*, however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. Try to handle it better than Judy has. ]
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The Good Doctor advises the following for you, Barry. May ease the stomach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5IW9wK_HNg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? I am merely passing along what I have been told. If it is incorrect, my bad. But it certainly seems believable to me, given how much you still seem to obsess on Robin and those of your fellow cultists who still seem to be unwilling to admit, even as a possibility, We were young, naive, and stupid, and we got taken in by a charismatic charlatan. I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later - and still obsessing on the cult and its founder by stalking him than by anything else. I'm still aghast that *anyone* would have been taken in by him and his act in the first place. But to still be hanging around acting like a groupie, trying to get him to notice you? NOT something that makes me want to interact with you. Have you *looked up* Squeaky Fromme? Do you know who you are being compared to? [ That last is a rhetorical question. I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass. I doubt that this is the case, but just in case. I will *not*, however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. Try to handle it better than Judy has. ]
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I missed this one until Emily quoted it. This man has lost any marbles he may have had. Vaj lied to Barry, Barry stupidly repeated the lie on FFL, Ann told him it was a lie, and Barry *goes off on Ann*. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? I am merely passing along what I have been told. If it is incorrect, my bad. But it certainly seems believable to me, given how much you still seem to obsess on Robin and those of your fellow cultists Where exactly does Barry find Ann obsessing on her fellow cultists? The only other of Robin's former followers to post here was Lord Knows, and Ann didn't obsess on him any more than she does on Robin. who still seem to be unwilling to admit, even as a possibility, We were young, naive, and stupid, and we got taken in by a charismatic charlatan. Obviously this is exactly what Lord Knows thought, and he made no bones about it. So that eliminates him as one of Ann's fellow cultists whom Barry insists she obsesses on. Oh, forgot about Vaj, who *claims* to be one of Robin's former followers, although neither Robin nor Ann remember him. But he *also* thinks Robin was a charismatic charlatan, so he can't be counted as one of Ann's fellow cultists either. Remember Barry is the person who got taken in by a charismatic charlatan (who later committed suicide), and he still quotes him and cites his ideas approvingly, as well as maintaining it was an experience he doesn't regret. At least Ann had the cojones to *take action* against Robin when he went off the rails. Barry couldn't be bothered to do anything to stop Freddy Lenz. I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later What the hell is Barry talking about? Ann didn't refer to any of her fellow cultists as us or family. By family above, she meant *Vaj's* family. And she didn't use the word us at all. Even if she had, what exactly would be wrong with her using the term us to refer to members of a group she spent several years with? What would that have to do with her credibility? This is all utterly absurd, but Barry is completely oblivious to what total nonsense he's writing. - and still obsessing on the cult and its founder by stalking him than by anything else. Ann is stalking Robin? What could this *possibly* mean in Barry's sick mind? I'm still aghast that *anyone* would have been taken in by him and his act in the first place. Says Barry, *who wasn't there*, who has *no* idea of what the experience of being around Robin was like. But to still be hanging around acting like a groupie, trying to get him to notice you? Just insane. There's no other word for it. Something is very, very, VERY wrong with Barry. NOT something that makes me want to interact with you. News flash: Ann doesn't have the slightest desire to interact with Barry. She thinks he's an obnoxious jerk, like so many of the rest of us do. Yet he's fantasizing she's yearning to interact with him. Have you *looked up* Squeaky Fromme? Do you know who you are being compared to? This is not a comparison you want to remind anyone you've made, Barry. [ That last is a rhetorical question. I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass. I doubt that this is the case, Now Barry's accusing *Ann* of lying. but just in case. I will *not*, however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. Try to handle it better than Judy has. ] Barry's solipsistic fantasies now have total control over him. I've thought Barry was on the verge of a breakdown on several occasions before. He's closer to it now than he's ever been.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, A number of people who did not wish Robin well were indulging in that speculation. which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. No, there's no but here, no seemed, and no however. Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result of seeing Robin's posts; and she did so on her own hook, having had no communication with Robin for over 25 years. This is all as clear as crystal from what Ann has told us. Now, Xeno, if you want to accuse Ann of lying, have the guts to do it straight out, to her face. Stop with the little hints and insinuations and attempts to muddy what Ann has said. I had other things on my mind, I had no thought that Ann was lying, it never crossed my mind. I still do not think Vaj made a case that he was with Robin at any time. I was not thinking of this exchange about Vaj's presence or absence, only that there was an obvious connexion between Ann and Robin, and *that* past history was a motivation for her to come online here. I think
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: snip you need to get out of this witch hunt habit of calling everyone who makes factual errors a liar, or even with those who disagree with you also. That is not and never has been my habit. That's another of Barry's ridiculous memes you've latched onto.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, A number of people who did not wish Robin well were indulging in that speculation. which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. No, there's no but here, no seemed, and no however. Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result of seeing Robin's posts; and she did so on her own hook, having had no communication with Robin for over 25 years. This is all as clear as crystal from what Ann has told us. Now, Xeno, if you want to accuse Ann of lying, have the guts to do it straight out, to her face. Stop with the little hints and insinuations and attempts to muddy what Ann has said. I had other things on my mind, I had no thought that Ann was lying, it never crossed my mind. I still do not think Vaj made a case that he was with Robin at any time. I
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From: Robin Carlsen maskedze...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 8:48 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, A number of people who did not wish Robin well were indulging in that speculation. which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. No, there's no but here, no seemed, and no however. Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result of seeing Robin's posts; and she did so on her own hook, having had no communication with Robin for over 25 years. This is all as clear as crystal from what Ann has told us. Now, Xeno, if you want to accuse Ann of lying, have the guts to do it straight out, to her face. Stop with the little hints and insinuations and attempts
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Somehow this feels more appropiate to the thread. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLGC06OvOYI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLGC06OvOYI --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robin Carlsen maskedzebra@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, A number of people who did not wish Robin well were indulging in that speculation. which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. No, there's no but here, no seemed, and no however. Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result of seeing Robin's posts; and she did so on her own hook, having had no communication with Robin for over 25 years. This is all as clear as crystal from what Ann has told us. Now, Xeno, if you want to accuse Ann of lying, have the guts to do it
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snip If you still have a gripe you can take it up with my lawyers at Sucme Dye LLP Ha ha ha...Xeno, coming from you this is actually pretty amusing. I envision you in white delivering this line. Now to repeat the always effervescent Mary Poppins in case you missed it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5IW9wK_HNg From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 4:48 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: Let's try to straighten out the mess that Xeno and Barry have made of the past history here. Xeno at least has gone to the trouble of reading some of the posts in question, although he's still in some confusion; Barry doesn't care whether he gets things right as long as the details he presents conform to the story *he* wants to tell, so he never bothers to check his facts, he just makes it up as he goes along. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. Which, it should be pointed out, Robin shortly thereafter admitted to be true. He did, in fact, physically strike his students, although he still claimed it was a gentle push. Ann did not dispute Vaj's claim that Robin had struck his students in her first post. All she said--addressing the group, not Robin specifically, until a brief comment at the end--was that she had found her experience with Robin's group very valuable. What Robin acknowledged about a week later was that in the early days of his group, well before he ever started giving seminars, he had on rare occasions, at informal gatherings in their private residence, struck a few of his followers in the course of confrontations. He described these incidents as similar to what a Zen master would do. Nobody was physically harmed. That was in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302421 Robin never said anything about a gentle push. Barry made that up. Robin made this post because of how seriously Vaj and Barry had been distorting Robin's past history (which they continue to do). He then switched to claiming that Vaj had never been present at any of his talks, and thus was (wait for it...you've never heard this before) a LIAR. No, Robin didn't switch to claiming this. He'd disputed that Vaj had ever been around Robin's group from the beginning. Which has again subsequently been disproved, No, it has not been disproved. A counterclaim has been made--by a person who, like Vaj, bears Robin great ill will--but no proof has been offered. And remember that Ann, who was in the thick of things when Vaj claimed to have been there, doesn't remember him either. by someone who confirmed that not only was Vaj present, but that one of the people Robin struck said that he thought his jaw might have been broken by the force of the blow. Robin hasn't addressed this claim. Ann described the incident in question in post #302425. As far as she knew--and she was one of two camera operators videotaping all the seminars--this was the only such incident. Ann made this post only a few minutes after Robin had made the post described above, not yet having read Robin's post. (She had not been at the early gatherings Robin described in any case; she didn't join the group until Robin was holding forth at MIU.) Robin made his last post to FFL the next day, having encountered some incredibly offensive and vicious fallout--from Curtis in particular--from his attempt to give an honest account of how he'd conducted himself 30-some years ago, sparing himself no blame. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, A number of people who did not wish Robin well were indulging in that speculation. which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. No, there's no but here, no seemed, and no however. Ann said explicitly that she had come to FFL as a result of seeing Robin's posts; and she did so on her own hook, having had no communication with Robin for over 25 years. This is all as clear as crystal from what Ann has told us. Now, Xeno, if you want to accuse
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Emily you would be my first draft on any team (dodge ball, spelling bee, debate club, hide and go seek). You are the real deal, the loyal friend, the true heart. I would be privileged to know you would stand beside me, any day, any time. And if I might add, you are one formidable mama. Look out, mae-hem's on the loose. I will respond to all of the Vaj and Barry allegations tomorrow. There are quite a few things for me to cover and I will enjoy doing so. In the meantime that lioness Judy and your loyal self are just jousting like crazy. Just keep galloping, it's breathtaking. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn emilymae.reyn@... wrote: Even the first line that shows up on message view?  Like she even cares that you have dumped her? Like she even *expects*  your dumb ass (sorry Doctor) to respond civilly, let alone apologize for being so out of pocket on so many occasions.  Stop being such an idiot.  Be advised that you've been dumped as well.  I will *not*,however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 7:10 AM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: It is also worth pointing out that, now that Vaj's credibility as someone who was actually there has been verified by someone else who was there, Ann has been in touch via email with many other people from the former hierarchy of Robin's cult whom Vaj might have known in the past, revealing how to get in touch with him. They have now been hounding him trying to get him to talk on the telephone with them. As Vaj commented to me, Thanks, Ann...not. Your friend Vaj has been lying to you or you are purposefully skewing the truth Mr Wright. I have never given anyone Vaj's personal contact information. Anyone who has been in touch with Mr Vaj is either a family member or Lord Knows. All of whom knew how to contact him anyway. So this I can tell you, is an out and out lie by Vaj and by yourself. Now who has the agenda? I am merely passing along what I have been told. If it is incorrect, my bad. But it certainly seems believable to me, given how much you still seem to obsess on Robin and those of your fellow cultists who still seem to be unwilling to admit, even as a possibility, We were young, naive, and stupid, and we got taken in by a charismatic charlatan. I would say that *your* credibility is more established by you still thinking of your fellow cultists as us and as family -- 25 years later - and still obsessing on the cult and its founder by stalking him than by anything else. I'm still aghast that *anyone* would have been taken in by him and his act in the first place. But to still be hanging around acting like a groupie, trying to get him to notice you? NOT something that makes me want to interact with you. Have you *looked up* Squeaky Fromme? Do you know who you are being compared to? [ That last is a rhetorical question. I'm replying to this just in case I was given misinformation about your role in setting fellow stalkers on Vaj's ass. I doubt that this is the case, but just in case. I will *not*, however, read anything of yours in the future, or feel as if I owe you any kind of response, should you feel compelled to make one. Are we clear on this? You've been dumped. Try to handle it better than Judy has. ]
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wait waiit 'til all the lurkers are out ok here it is [http://superradiance.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/15_mary-1.jpg?w=500] domesticated or ruint Yifu version of Maharishi Floating Bed preparing for 'Levitation by 2022? [:] i like the color of your dress-- -uplifting dreams to ShareLong -enough -with- us --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Yay! Thanks Xeno. I'm not gonna worry about memory loss or insomnia any more. But hope I don't forget where bedroom is anyway From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, As it happens, you shouldn't take my word for it, because I looked again and realized I got my signals partially crossed. Ann took *another* break from April 27 to June 11 and resumed posting when Robin returned on June 12. So those 186 posts were made from January 22 (when Robin left) to April 26. IOW, you remembered correctly that Ann returned from an absence after Robin started posting again in June; you were mistaken to think that absence had begun when Robin left in January. Bottom line, you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin. Well I did say (and you snipped it out) 'I think withdrawing my comments would probably be the least unintelligent thing to do, as I stumble through the rest of the day.' I guess in my stumbling about that does not exactly mean 'I hereby withdraw my comment in the name of accuracy'. I better say it explicitly: I withdraw my comment about Ann's posting history. At least I seem to have partially remembered Ann's posting correctly. But then I watched a movie the other night, and about half way through I realized I had watched it before many years before. This happens a lot. I am not sure it is just aging memory. There seems to be an effect from meditation too. As the line gets closer to being drawn on air, the impressions are so much less deep, it fades much faster. Now I know the TMO researchers claim TM improves memory, but I wonder if there is a difference between shorter term meditators and longer term meditators. I know of one other teacher says that people who have awakening experiences often have memory troubles for a while, as well as insomnia. This might be an interesting science project. BTW, during that same period when you thought Ann was absent but she was in fact posting regularly, January 22 to April 26, you made 175 posts--fewer than she did.
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wait waiit 'til all the lurkers are out ok here it is [http://superradiance.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/15_mary-1.jpg?w=500] domesticated or ruint Yifu version of Maharishi Floating Bed preparing for 'Levitation by 2022? [http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/emo71.gif] i like the color of your dress-- [:] -uplifting dreams to ShareLong -enough -with- us --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@... wrote: Yay! Thanks Xeno. I'm not gonna worry about memory loss or insomnia any more. But hope I don't forget where bedroom is anyway From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, As it happens, you shouldn't take my word for it, because I looked again and realized I got my signals partially crossed. Ann took *another* break from April 27 to June 11 and resumed posting when Robin returned on June 12. So those 186 posts were made from January 22 (when Robin left) to April 26. IOW, you remembered correctly that Ann returned from an absence after Robin started posting again in June; you were mistaken to think that absence had begun when Robin left in January. Bottom line, you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin. Well I did say (and you snipped it out) 'I think withdrawing my comments would probably be the least unintelligent thing to do, as I stumble through the rest of the day.' I guess in my stumbling about that does not exactly mean 'I hereby withdraw my comment in the name of accuracy'. I better say it explicitly: I withdraw my comment about Ann's posting history. At least I seem to have partially remembered Ann's posting correctly. But then I watched a movie the other night, and about half way through I realized I had watched it before many years before. This happens a lot. I am not sure it is just aging memory. There seems to be an effect from meditation too. As the line gets closer to being drawn on air, the impressions are so much less deep, it fades much faster. Now I know the TMO researchers claim TM improves memory, but I wonder if there is a difference between shorter term meditators and longer term meditators. I know of one other teacher says that people who have awakening experiences often have memory troubles for a while, as well as insomnia. This might be an interesting science project. BTW, during that same period when you thought Ann was absent but she was in fact posting regularly, January 22 to April 26, you made 175 posts--fewer than she did.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda no_reply@... wrote: Who is that lovely lady Meru ? wait waiit 'til all the lurkers are out ok here it is [http://superradiance.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/15_mary-1.jpg?w=500] domesticated or ruint Yifu version of Maharishi Floating Bed preparing for 'Levitation by 2022? [http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/emo71.gif] i like the color of your dress-- [:] -uplifting dreams to ShareLong -enough -with- us --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ wrote: Yay! Thanks Xeno. I'm not gonna worry about memory loss or insomnia any more. But hope I don't forget where bedroom is anyway From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, As it happens, you shouldn't take my word for it, because I looked again and realized I got my signals partially crossed. Ann took *another* break from April 27 to June 11 and resumed posting when Robin returned on June 12. So those 186 posts were made from January 22 (when Robin left) to April 26. IOW, you remembered correctly that Ann returned from an absence after Robin started posting again in June; you were mistaken to think that absence had begun when Robin left in January. Bottom line, you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin. Well I did say (and you snipped it out) 'I think withdrawing my comments would probably be the least unintelligent thing to do, as I stumble through the rest of the day.' I guess in my stumbling about that does not exactly mean 'I hereby withdraw my comment in the name of accuracy'. I better say it explicitly: I withdraw my comment about Ann's posting history. At least I seem to have partially remembered Ann's posting correctly. But then I watched a movie the other night, and about half way through I realized I had watched it before many years before. This happens a lot. I am not sure it is just aging memory. There seems to be an effect from meditation too. As the line gets closer to being drawn on air, the impressions are so much less deep, it fades much faster. Now I know the TMO researchers claim TM improves memory, but I wonder if there is a difference between shorter term meditators and longer term meditators. I know of one other teacher says that people who have awakening experiences often have memory troubles for a while, as well as insomnia. This might be an interesting science project. BTW, during that same period when you thought Ann was absent but she was in fact posting regularly, January 22 to April 26, you made 175 posts--fewer than she did.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, As it happens, you shouldn't take my word for it, because I looked again and realized I got my signals partially crossed. Ann took *another* break from April 27 to June 11 and resumed posting when Robin returned on June 12. So those 186 posts were made from January 22 (when Robin left) to April 26. IOW, you remembered correctly that Ann returned from an absence after Robin started posting again in June; you were mistaken to think that absence had begun when Robin left in January. Bottom line, you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin. Well I did say (and you snipped it out) 'I think withdrawing my comments would probably be the least unintelligent thing to do Yes. My point was, of course, that you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin, given that she posted here regularly for three months after Robin left. That I missed her absence in May and mid-June does not relieve you of the responsibility to withdraw this smarmy and gratuitous insinuation: ...so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. No matter how spiritually advanced you believe someone is, you shouldn't just reflexively echo his opinions without making sure they have some basis in reality. , as I stumble through the rest of the day.' I guess in my stumbling about that does not exactly mean 'I hereby withdraw my comment in the name of accuracy'. I better say it explicitly: I withdraw my comment about Ann's posting history. That and, one hopes, the insinuation that accompanied it.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, As it happens, you shouldn't take my word for it, because I looked again and realized I got my signals partially crossed. Ann took *another* break from April 27 to June 11 and resumed posting when Robin returned on June 12. So those 186 posts were made from January 22 (when Robin left) to April 26. IOW, you remembered correctly that Ann returned from an absence after Robin started posting again in June; you were mistaken to think that absence had begun when Robin left in January. Bottom line, you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin. Well I did say (and you snipped it out) 'I think withdrawing my comments would probably be the least unintelligent thing to do Yes. My point was, of course, that you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin, given that she posted here regularly for three months after Robin left. That I missed her absence in May and mid-June does not relieve you of the responsibility to withdraw this smarmy and gratuitous insinuation: ...so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. No matter how spiritually advanced you believe someone is, you shouldn't just reflexively echo his opinions without making sure they have some basis in reality. I was just expressing my curiosity about Ann's presence here. She seemed to come in with Robin's appearance, I was wondering what else she might have on her mind. Since I do not know, I have not been following a lot of posts here, it is thus a mystery to me. Perhaps if I read all her posts, I would find out more. As it is I kind of duck in and out of the forum and miss those great trends someone talks about. I tend not to follow just conversations between the ladies, as they tend to be an alien sort of world to me. As are all conversations with women. Women seem to have different shades of meaning associated with what they say, things that totally escape me, emotional innuendos, and certain kinds of indirection. For example, someone in my family, female, might ask me, 'Would you like to have 'such and such' to eat?'. This might be direct, but in some contexts this actually meant 'I want to have a certain kind of food, and want to go out to lunch at a place that serves such-and-such'. My mother used to say I had a very literal way of interpreting things, and these subtleties of intention expressed in language escape me. Guys tend to be kind of unvarnished in this respect. I guess in my stumbling about that does not exactly mean 'I hereby withdraw my comment in the name of accuracy'. I better say it explicitly: I withdraw my comment about Ann's posting history. That and, one hopes, the insinuation that accompanied it. There was no insinuation. That is your addition to the mix. I think you attribute a greater depth to my meaning than is there. If you think there was genuinely some kind of hidden insinuation, let me know what it is, and I will tell you if you are correct, in which case it would prove me incorrect as to one not being there. I am not entirely aware of everything this old brain does. One is not always aware of one's hidden biases, or motives. Guys are much shallower than you can imagine when it comes to meaning. Maybe that is one of the attractions of Robin as he has a much richer palette of meaning than most of us. I see Ann posted a picture of herself here recently. She looks as if she could take down Barry, or me.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, As it happens, you shouldn't take my word for it, because I looked again and realized I got my signals partially crossed. Ann took *another* break from April 27 to June 11 and resumed posting when Robin returned on June 12. So those 186 posts were made from January 22 (when Robin left) to April 26. IOW, you remembered correctly that Ann returned from an absence after Robin started posting again in June; you were mistaken to think that absence had begun when Robin left in January. Bottom line, you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin. Well I did say (and you snipped it out) 'I think withdrawing my comments would probably be the least unintelligent thing to do Yes. My point was, of course, that you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin, given that she posted here regularly for three months after Robin left. That I missed her absence in May and mid-June does not relieve you of the responsibility to withdraw this smarmy and gratuitous insinuation: ...so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. No matter how spiritually advanced you believe someone is, you shouldn't just reflexively echo his opinions without making sure they have some basis in reality. I was just expressing my curiosity about Ann's presence here. She seemed to come in with Robin's appearance, No, she didn't. Robin started posting here in June of 2011. Ann joined us in the middle of January 2012. She explained why in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302349 I was wondering what else she might have on her mind. No, you weren't. You were suggesting she had nothing but Robin on her mind. She may have joined FFL because of Robin, but she obviously stuck around after he left because she was enjoying other aspects of FFL. snip I guess in my stumbling about that does not exactly mean 'I hereby withdraw my comment in the name of accuracy'. I better say it explicitly: I withdraw my comment about Ann's posting history. That and, one hopes, the insinuation that accompanied it. There was no insinuation. Yes, there was, and I already told you what it was. Let's review the complete quote, shall we? Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. This was in the context of alliances among FFL members. The insinuation couldn't have been clearer, even though you were mistaken about her posting history. Given that you admit you hadn't been following the traffic, you had no business making such a remark in the first place. It was a gratuitous dig at Ann and indirectly at Robin, in the grand tradition of the absurd groupies meme Barry invokes in an attempt to immunize himself and his pals from criticism. That is your addition to the mix. I think you attribute a greater depth to my meaning than is there. If you think there was genuinely some kind of hidden insinuation, let me know what it is, and I will tell you if you are correct, in which case it would prove me incorrect as to one not being there. I am not entirely aware of everything this old brain does. One is not always aware of one's hidden biases, or motives. Guys are much shallower than you can imagine when it comes to meaning. Maybe that is one of the attractions of
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: I was just expressing my curiosity about Ann's presence here. She seemed to come in with Robin's appearance, No, she didn't. Robin started posting here in June of 2011. Ann joined us in the middle of January 2012. She explained why in this post: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/302349 I was wondering what else she might have on her mind. No, you weren't. You were suggesting she had nothing but Robin on her mind. She may have joined FFL because of Robin, but she obviously stuck around after he left because she was enjoying other aspects of FFL. Actually I was wondering. You make no allowance for the inexactitude of human memory, or other imprecisions in human behaviour and perception. Ann's first post was on January 15, 2012 #301897. She was responding to a post by Robin wherein he was responding to Vaj. She said she was present at the time Vaj said he was with Robin and disputed Vaj's claim. I must have seen this post, but had no exact recollection of it. The post you mentioned, I never had read. I have read it now. Ann was responding to Susan, who was apologising, as Susan thought Ann had come onto FFL at Robin's instigation, which Ann denied, but Ann certainly seemed to come on to FFL as a result of Robin's now posting on FFL. This is what I remembered, rather imperfectly. However in this post you dug up Ann does say she had no agenda. That still does not mean that with Robin posting here, that was not the impetus to post something here. Of course now, as typically happens, she has branched out to other things here, but I did not interact with her much at all and my memory of all this is somewhat vague to say the least. snip I guess in my stumbling about that does not exactly mean 'I hereby withdraw my comment in the name of accuracy'. I better say it explicitly: I withdraw my comment about Ann's posting history. That and, one hopes, the insinuation that accompanied it. There was no insinuation. Yes, there was, and I already told you what it was. Let's review the complete quote, shall we? Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. This was in the context of alliances among FFL members. The insinuation couldn't have been clearer, even though you were mistaken about her posting history. She did come in on the basis of Robin's posting, her first post was a response to Robin, that was her in; I was not musing on whether Ann was involving herself in some kind of alliance, only that Robin seemed to be the focus of the initial reason she came online here. In the post you mentioned she said: 'Now one of those former members emailed me a few days later listing a whole whack of links to posts that Robin had made on this site. No one had seen or heard from him for 25 years so this was big news. I clicked on some of these links and FFL was revealed. And I started to read, and read and read and discovered that it was indeed Robin (no one who was familiar with his writing could mistake the style, the lack of brevity (!), the brilliance.)' 'So there I was scrolling down pages and pages of posts and there was one where he was conversing with Vaj. There was this perfect space created, this fleeting opportunity to insert my comment because he mentioned something about if anyone who had really been there with him all those years ago and spoke out he would know for certain if they had experienced the real deal with him in the context of a seminar.' 'And then I just sort of jumped in. It seemed like all these events had colluded to result in this spontaneous post, it was like it was my cue. There was no planning, I am not Robin in disguise (d-uh) and I really had no agenda. I still don't. I have no idea where this is all going.' What I find interesting is my first indication that Ann existed was in replying to a post of Barry's. I wrote one line after a paragraph that Ann had written. In reviewing that post, I remember that line I wrote, but did not remember what the post was about. Given that you admit you hadn't been following the traffic, you had no business making such a remark in the first place. It was a gratuitous dig at Ann and indirectly at Robin, in the grand tradition of the absurd groupies meme Barry invokes in an attempt to immunize himself and his pals from criticism. Hey, on a forum, if the moderators allow, anybody can butt in, even with totally inane and stupid remarks. That is the business of forums. I can come in, unprepared, naive, and make stupid or incorrect remarks. My memory, imperfect as it is, recalled Ann came in about something to do with Robin. It was
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: Great, now it's all about Curtis, Robin, Barry and Xeno versus Ann and Judy and Share and Dog. LoL! The men against the women or what is this? The women (except when Judy is dissing the guys) lend a certain softness to this forum which probably would otherwise be unabashed posturing. I sometimes feel opposition to Judy, but the way 'alliances' form on this forum are much more complex than the simplistic breakdown Richard stated above. Alliances may be more illusory than this, because the enlightenment game is really about going it alone, self sufficiency. I do not have the time or inclination to read everything here, so I often miss the trend of what is going on a large part of the time. Unlike Barry, I do not foresee trends, as if trends on FFL are of some earth shaking importance to the universe. They can be fun for us though. Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: Great, now it's all about Curtis, Robin, Barry and Xeno versus Ann and Judy and Share and Dog. LoL! The men against the women or what is this? The women (except when Judy is dissing the guys) lend a certain softness to this forum which probably would otherwise be unabashed posturing. I sometimes feel opposition to Judy, but the way 'alliances' form on this forum are much more complex than the simplistic breakdown Richard stated above. The mere fact that so many devote so much time to forming and perpetuating alliances is somewhat dismaying IMO. Alliances may be more illusory than this, because the enlightenment game is really about going it alone, self sufficiency. Exactly. I do not have the time or inclination to read everything here, so I often miss the trend of what is going on a large part of the time. Unlike Barry, I do not foresee trends, as if trends on FFL are of some earth shaking importance to the universe. They can be fun for us though. I have no choice about perceiving trends. Like Jessica Rabbit, I'm just drawn that way. A lot of it probably has to do with studying sociology, in particular the sociology of religion. One can learn a lot from trends. It's literally the science of learning to see the forest when everyone is trying to get you to focus on the individual trees. :-)
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: Great, now it's all about Curtis, Robin, Barry and Xeno versus Ann and Judy and Share and Dog. LoL! The men against the women or what is this? The women (except when Judy is dissing the guys) lend a certain softness to this forum Xeno, you appear not to have noticed that Emily, Ann, obba, and raunchy don't hesitate to diss the guys when they feel it's warranted (Share does too from time to time, in fact, but she tends to be subtler about it). which probably would otherwise be unabashed posturing. I sometimes feel opposition to Judy, but the way 'alliances' form on this forum are much more complex than the simplistic breakdown Richard stated above. It's not clear what your occasional opposition to me has to do with the rest of your observation; mentioning it seems a bit gratuitous. As to alliances, the whole notion is a little ridiculous. That certain people hold similar views does not make them an alliance except in an ad hoc sense. snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote: snip The mere fact that so many devote so much time to forming and perpetuating alliances is somewhat dismaying IMO. Actually this forming and perpetuating of alliances takes place only in Barry's fertile imagination. What he really finds dismaying is that so many people think his behavior is inexcusable and most of his contributions are detrimental and dstructive. If this can be explained as a matter of alliances, in which certain people agree to support each other against certain other people no matter what, rather than coming to their conclusions independently of each other, then Barry can pretend to be the victim of orchestrated attacks generated by his criticisms of TM. The fact is that many here simply *do not like Barry*, regardless of his status as a TM critic. If he can't deal with the common perception that he is a rotten human being, he needs to change his behavior. Resorting to the canard that criticism of that behavior is a function of engineered, organized opposition to his TM views is transparently self- serving and thoroughly unconvincing. I have no choice about perceiving trends. Like Jessica Rabbit, I'm just drawn that way. A lot of it probably has to do with studying sociology, in particular the sociology of religion. One can learn a lot from trends. It's literally the science of learning to see the forest when everyone is trying to get you to focus on the individual trees. :-) Maybe if Barry sharpened up his focus on the individual trees before trying to see the forest, his perception of trends wouldn't be quite so inaccurate.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
snip The mere fact that so many devote so much time to forming and perpetuating alliances is somewhat dismaying IMO. authfriend: Maybe if Barry sharpened up his focus on the individual trees before trying to see the forest, his perception of trends wouldn't be quite so inaccurate... When Alexander the Great visited the great Cynic Diogenes, Alexander inquired: Is there anything that I can do for you? to which Diogenes the Cynic replied: You can remove yourself; you are between me and the sunlight.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: snip The mere fact that so many devote so much time to forming and perpetuating alliances is somewhat dismaying IMO. Actually this forming and perpetuating of alliances takes place only in Barry's fertile imagination. What he really finds dismaying is that so many people think his behavior is inexcusable and most of his contributions are detrimental and dstructive. What's really dismaying is Barry's inability to get a clue that his behavior *is* inexcusable. If this can be explained as a matter of alliances, in which certain people agree to support each other against certain other people no matter what, rather than coming to their conclusions independently of each other, then Barry can pretend to be the victim of orchestrated attacks generated by his criticisms of TM. The fact is that many here simply *do not like Barry*, regardless of his status as a TM critic. If he can't deal with the common perception that he is a rotten human being, he needs to change his behavior. Resorting to the canard that criticism of that behavior is a function of engineered, organized opposition to his TM views is transparently self- serving and thoroughly unconvincing. I have no choice about perceiving trends. Like Jessica Rabbit, I'm just drawn that way. A lot of it probably has to do with studying sociology, in particular the sociology of religion. One can learn a lot from trends. It's literally the science of learning to see the forest when everyone is trying to get you to focus on the individual trees. :-) Maybe if Barry sharpened up his focus on the individual trees before trying to see the forest, his perception of trends wouldn't be quite so inaccurate.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@ wrote: Great, now it's all about Curtis, Robin, Barry and Xeno versus Ann and Judy and Share and Dog. LoL! The men against the women or what is this? The women (except when Judy is dissing the guys) lend a certain softness to this forum Xeno, you appear not to have noticed that Emily, Ann, obba, and raunchy don't hesitate to diss the guys when they feel it's warranted (Share does too from time to time, in fact, but she tends to be subtler about it). which probably would otherwise be unabashed posturing. I sometimes feel opposition to Judy, but the way 'alliances' form on this forum are much more complex than the simplistic breakdown Richard stated above. It's not clear what your occasional opposition to me has to do with the rest of your observation; mentioning it seems a bit gratuitous. As to alliances, the whole notion is a little ridiculous. That certain people hold similar views does not make them an alliance except in an ad hoc sense. snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, and 3) I just finished getting back from work and lunch, and seem kind of sleepy, and have more work to do, I think withdrawing my comments would probably be the least unintelligent thing to do, as I stumble through the rest of the day. On a different note, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory has posted a higher resolution movie of the Curiosity landing on Mars, and synced the control room chatter with the landing (even though the chatter took place seven minutes later when the radio signal made it to Earth). View from the Rover from just after the parachute opened and just before the heat shield dropped off, and then all the way to ground. Quicktime Movie: http://tinyurl.com/94csoxc [ http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/videos/movies/msl20120823_droppingin/msl20120823_droppingin-1280.mov ]
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, As it happens, you shouldn't take my word for it, because I looked again and realized I got my signals partially crossed. Ann took *another* break from April 27 to June 11 and resumed posting when Robin returned on June 12. So those 186 posts were made from January 22 (when Robin left) to April 26. IOW, you remembered correctly that Ann returned from an absence after Robin started posting again in June; you were mistaken to think that absence had begun when Robin left in January. Bottom line, you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin. BTW, during that same period when you thought Ann was absent but she was in fact posting regularly, January 22 to April 26, you made 175 posts--fewer than she did.
Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, As it happens, you shouldn't take my word for it, because I looked again and realized I got my signals partially crossed. Ann took *another* break from April 27 to June 11 and resumed posting when Robin returned on June 12. So those 186 posts were made from January 22 (when Robin left) to April 26. IOW, you remembered correctly that Ann returned from an absence after Robin started posting again in June; you were mistaken to think that absence had begun when Robin left in January. Bottom line, you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin. Well I did say (and you snipped it out) 'I think withdrawing my comments would probably be the least unintelligent thing to do, as I stumble through the rest of the day.' I guess in my stumbling about that does not exactly mean 'I hereby withdraw my comment in the name of accuracy'. I better say it explicitly: I withdraw my comment about Ann's posting history. At least I seem to have partially remembered Ann's posting correctly. But then I watched a movie the other night, and about half way through I realized I had watched it before many years before. This happens a lot. I am not sure it is just aging memory. There seems to be an effect from meditation too. As the line gets closer to being drawn on air, the impressions are so much less deep, it fades much faster. Now I know the TMO researchers claim TM improves memory, but I wonder if there is a difference between shorter term meditators and longer term meditators. I know of one other teacher says that people who have awakening experiences often have memory troubles for a while, as well as insomnia. This might be an interesting science project. BTW, during that same period when you thought Ann was absent but she was in fact posting regularly, January 22 to April 26, you made 175 posts--fewer than she did.
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Yay! Thanks Xeno. I'm not gonna worry about memory loss or insomnia any more. But hope I don't forget where bedroom is anyway From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:26 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend authfriend@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@ wrote: snip Now as for you Ann, you breezed in on Robin's backdraft, and then vanished for a while after he disengaged until he returned, In fact, Ann made 186 posts here between the time Robin left (January 22) and the time he returned (June 12). She took a brief break from April 12 to April 26, but she was posting consistently before and after that while Robin was absent. so you are sort of a mystery, as to whether you are here for additional reasons. Given your blooper about Ann's posting habits, Xeno, perhaps you'd consider withdrawing that innuendo. Seeing 1) I have not been very focused in the past few days, and, 2) I will take your word for it that Ann posted those other times, As it happens, you shouldn't take my word for it, because I looked again and realized I got my signals partially crossed. Ann took *another* break from April 27 to June 11 and resumed posting when Robin returned on June 12. So those 186 posts were made from January 22 (when Robin left) to April 26. IOW, you remembered correctly that Ann returned from an absence after Robin started posting again in June; you were mistaken to think that absence had begun when Robin left in January. Bottom line, you still need to withdraw your insinuation that Ann posts here only because of Robin. Well I did say (and you snipped it out) 'I think withdrawing my comments would probably be the least unintelligent thing to do, as I stumble through the rest of the day.' I guess in my stumbling about that does not exactly mean 'I hereby withdraw my comment in the name of accuracy'. I better say it explicitly: I withdraw my comment about Ann's posting history. At least I seem to have partially remembered Ann's posting correctly. But then I watched a movie the other night, and about half way through I realized I had watched it before many years before. This happens a lot. I am not sure it is just aging memory. There seems to be an effect from meditation too. As the line gets closer to being drawn on air, the impressions are so much less deep, it fades much faster. Now I know the TMO researchers claim TM improves memory, but I wonder if there is a difference between shorter term meditators and longer term meditators. I know of one other teacher says that people who have awakening experiences often have memory troubles for a while, as well as insomnia. This might be an interesting science project. BTW, during that same period when you thought Ann was absent but she was in fact posting regularly, January 22 to April 26, you made 175 posts--fewer than she did.
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Ravi Chivukula: Dear Xeno, Get out of my face please, you are blocking me from getting His Holiness's darshan. Apparently Xeno doesn't understand this kind of logic. I have no use for you now that His Holiness is back, if he leaves I will get back to you - I promise. Great, now it's all about Curtis, Robin, Barry and Xeno versus Ann and Judy and Share and Dog. LoL! * (Your ambushes, Ravi are particularly inept and unfocused and largely self-congratulatory. But then that is Ravi!) *
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Ravi Chivukula: Dear Xeno, Get out of my face please, you are blocking me from getting His Holiness's darshan. Apparently Xeno doesn't understand this kind of logic. Apparently not. Explain it to me. I have no use for you now that His Holiness is back, if he leaves I will get back to you - I promise. Great, now it's all about Curtis, Robin, Barry and Xeno versus Ann and Judy and Share and Dog. LoL! * (Your ambushes, Ravi are particularly inept and unfocused and largely self-congratulatory. But then that is Ravi!) *
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Ok, now that my name has been listed, I'd sort of like to know? WHO THE HECK IS HOLINESS?! OTOH, boys vs girls! Yay! Just like in the old neighborhood, playing Red Rover. Red Rover, Red Rover, we dare Ravi over (-: From: Richard J. Williams rich...@rwilliams.us To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 12:43 PM Subject: Fwd: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling Ravi Chivukula: Dear Xeno, Get out of my face please, you are blocking me from getting His Holiness's darshan. Apparently Xeno doesn't understand this kind of logic. I have no use for you now that His Holiness is back, if he leaves I will get back to you - I promise. Great, now it's all about Curtis, Robin, Barry and Xeno versus Ann and Judy and Share and Dog. LoL! * (Your ambushes, Ravi are particularly inept and unfocused and largely self-congratulatory. But then that is Ravi!) *
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard J. Williams richard@... wrote: Ravi Chivukula: Dear Xeno, Get out of my face please, you are blocking me from getting His Holiness's darshan. Apparently Xeno doesn't understand this kind of logic. I have no use for you now that His Holiness is back, if he leaves I will get back to you - I promise. Great, now it's all about Curtis, Robin, Barry and Xeno versus Ann and Judy and Share and Dog. LoL! The men against the women or what is this? * (Your ambushes, Ravi are particularly inept and unfocused and largely self-congratulatory. But then that is Ravi!) *
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Dear Xeno, Get out of my face please, you are blocking me from getting His Holiness's darshan. I have no use for you now that His Holiness is back, if he leaves I will get back to you - I promise. Love ya, Ravi -- Forwarded message -- From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: * (Your ambushes, Ravi are particularly inept and unfocused and largely self-congratulatory. But then that is Ravi!) * Oh c'mon now Xenophantoros Anaarchataxius, You really know how to hurt a person when they are down !!! Show me mercy man - god. I have already made a peace offer. It was dumb, it was stupid of me - every one here on FFL has acknowledged that, I have been soundly admonished - what else do you want? Everyone saw the email where I bowed down to your wisdom - your status as the Mayan Messiah, the Maitreya of Morons. How would I have to know that you were in disguise pretending to be a cold, heartless person using neo-advaita platitudes to support the morons with your weak moral stands, all the while preparing them for the age of enlightenment? I see your sacrifice now and bow down to it. Please don't hurt me anymore Xenophantoros Anaarchataxius, show me that warm heartedness of you that's been the highlight of this past week. All glory be to Xenophantoros Anaarchataxius, the Greek God incarnated as - the Mayan Messiah, the Maitreya of Morons !!! Love, Ravi Have a nice day Ravi. Being praised and damned is, you know, a characteristic of a god. Why are these gods so like us? Like you, like me, our forgotten invention? For your information, I know very little about neo-adviata. I downloaded a PDF file emptybill posted here a while back and read that. That is the extent of my familiarity with the term. Every once and a while you almost seem sane. What is it like in there, during a moment where the activity of the world about is quieted, and you have nothing to do for the moment. What goes on in there, in Ravi. Old feelings trying to slither into awareness? Regrets? Thoughts that would speak of better (or worse) times to come? If Ravi were silent, what would emerge? A lost love is one of the hardest things to experience through. Things seem like old times, though I have not been here that long. The gang is back, except for Curtis. I think I would have liked LB to be here, but that was before my time.
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Ravi, just ignore me. Walk around me. I am not in your way. You don't need me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@... wrote: Dear Xeno, Get out of my face please, you are blocking me from getting His Holiness's darshan. I have no use for you now that His Holiness is back, if he leaves I will get back to you - I promise. Love ya, Ravi -- Forwarded message -- From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartaxius@... Date: Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: mind boggling To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@ wrote: * (Your ambushes, Ravi are particularly inept and unfocused and largely self-congratulatory. But then that is Ravi!) * Oh c'mon now Xenophantoros Anaarchataxius, You really know how to hurt a person when they are down !!! Show me mercy man - god. I have already made a peace offer. It was dumb, it was stupid of me - every one here on FFL has acknowledged that, I have been soundly admonished - what else do you want? Everyone saw the email where I bowed down to your wisdom - your status as the Mayan Messiah, the Maitreya of Morons. How would I have to know that you were in disguise pretending to be a cold, heartless person using neo-advaita platitudes to support the morons with your weak moral stands, all the while preparing them for the age of enlightenment? I see your sacrifice now and bow down to it. Please don't hurt me anymore Xenophantoros Anaarchataxius, show me that warm heartedness of you that's been the highlight of this past week. All glory be to Xenophantoros Anaarchataxius, the Greek God incarnated as - the Mayan Messiah, the Maitreya of Morons !!! Love, Ravi Have a nice day Ravi. Being praised and damned is, you know, a characteristic of a god. Why are these gods so like us? Like you, like me, our forgotten invention? For your information, I know very little about neo-adviata. I downloaded a PDF file emptybill posted here a while back and read that. That is the extent of my familiarity with the term. Every once and a while you almost seem sane. What is it like in there, during a moment where the activity of the world about is quieted, and you have nothing to do for the moment. What goes on in there, in Ravi. Old feelings trying to slither into awareness? Regrets? Thoughts that would speak of better (or worse) times to come? If Ravi were silent, what would emerge? A lost love is one of the hardest things to experience through. Things seem like old times, though I have not been here that long. The gang is back, except for Curtis. I think I would have liked LB to be here, but that was before my time.
