[FairfieldLife] Cruellest month??
Thomas Stearns Eliot: April is the cruellest month, breeding Lilacs out of the dead land, mixing Memory and desire, stirring Dull roots with spring rain. Winter kept us warm, covering Earth in forgetful snow, feeding A little life with dried tubers. Summer surprised us, coming over the Starnbergersee With a shower of rain; we stopped in the colonnade, And went on in sunlight, into the Hofgarten, And drank coffee, and talked for an hour. Bin gar kine Russin, stamm' aus Litauen, echt deutsch. And when we were children, staying at the archduke's, My cousin's, he took me out on a sled, And I was frightened. He said, Marie, Marie, hold on tight. And down we went. In the mountains, there you feel free. I read, much of the night, and go south in the winter. - See more at: http://www.poets.org/viewmedia.php/prmMID/18993#sthash.UVw526w0.dpuf
[FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > MMY's TM theory is his attempt to explain his understanding of meditation and > enlightenment in modern terms. This understanding is colored by his religious > upbringing and obviously is biased in favor of his belief-system. > > His description of the behavior of a fully enlightened person assumes all the > perfectionism inherent in religious dogma, and you don't need to assume that > everything is literally true in order to appreciate the significance of his > attempt. > > Also, you (and I and many others) have made the mistake of assuming that the > behavioral patterns associated with the work in progress we call the > beginnings of Cosmic Consciousness is identical with the theoretical > end-point of a jivanmukti, or "fully" stress-free individual. > > The fact that someone is acting spontaneously at all times simply means that > they are sufficiently stress-free to always have some level of pure > consciousness present. That doesn't mean that they suddenly stop being the > person they were pre-CC. While one assumes that the worst aspects of > someone's personality might mellow with progression in CC/GC/UC, that doesn't > mean that they turn into a proverbial saint overnight -if ever. > > Besides, even the Christian saints weren't always pleasant people to be > around, even if they never "sinned" in Christian religious terms. > > And of course, MMY could be totally wrong about much or all of what he > claimed for enlightenment, regardless of how enlightened someone becomes by > TM standards. > > The real world generally isn't quite how the theorist theorizes it is, > afterall. So we can have our cake and eat it? Or throw it against the wall. And no one can say it's better or worse than doing the opposite? That's quite a philosophy to rally round. The best thing I can say about TM philosophy is that it's a mighty fine sales pitch, but just like my vacuum cleaner that didn't cure my asthma, TM didn't either. To refresh our memory, the idea behind exposure to the "unified field" is that we take on the supposed qualities of that and exhibit improved moral behaviour (amongst other things) The more meditation, the more moral we should become. We should look at the behaviour of many long term TMers as falsification of the theory not proof that it's more complicated and probably still working. Just as we should admit that the ME doesn't work because there are still earthquakes, not that it works because there might be a period of *more* earthquakes. I actually agree with you that Marshy was wrong. There is what actually happens to meditators (not all that much if we are honest) and there is the supporting dogma that everyone still clings to that makes TM out to be the most amazing thing of any kind ever. There comes a time to ditch optimism and replace it with realism, it won't sell as many yagyas but it's gotta be fairer on the domies, they might be able to make something of their lives if they had the comfort blanket of saving the world taken away. I think this is why people don't take TM science all that seriously. We all know that they are hardcore TBs, I've been to lectures by some of them and instead of getting a fair and balanced (and interesting) overview of what they were doing in their research it was all the usual crowd pleasing BS about cosmic consciousness. It's a bit premature to be making wild claims about unified fields when we don't know anything about them or even if it exists. No wonder the mainstream takes MUM with a pinch of salt! > L > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > I still want to know how proponents of TM and its supposed benefits that > > are touted as being nearly miraculous can BE proponents of TM AND continue > > to tout its benefits when the actual real time real world activities of > > many long time meditators leave much to be desired. > > > > As an example the current situation of a MUM faculty member being fired for > > embezzling money from MUM and using some of the money to reward students in > > exchange for having sex with him. > > > > If TM in essence washes clean our stresses, AND spontaneously infuses the > > Unified Field and all its supposedly amazing qualities into the body, mind, > > emotions of the meditator, then how do people like this MUM faculty member > > wind up doing things like this? > > > > If the Unified Field is the most powerful force in existence, then it would > > seem that a human being's own mind has the power to overrule the natural > > spontaneous right behavior that comes from right action generated by an > > individual who's physiology and mind are increasingly infused with the > > Absolute. > > > > This poses a big problem to me, in that it either means the Absolute isn't > > as powerful as we were told it is, and any human whim can overrule it, or > > TM really doesn't have that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sweaty balls?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > > > > One of the most curious phenomena after I started gluten-free diet > > has been sweaty balls, especially when sleeping. Haven't had > > those for years now, as I recall it! > > > > I just came up with a possible explanation: improved blood flow > > in my genitals. But, then again, it might have something > > to do with some hormones, perhaps through improved liver functions, > > or stuff... blah, blah, blah... :o > > I wouldn't mind improoved blood flow all over the body actually :-) Just for > curiosity, do you care to share just about how far you have taken the diet ? > Just trying to avoid anything having gluten (mainly rye and wheat). And bought some "pure oatmeal" (regular might have some gluten.) Rye bread is very popular hereabouts, and I really like "hapankorppu-s" (thin dried rye bread): http://www.oululainen.fi/Oululainen/Tuotteet/Muut-Leivat/Hapankorppu-200g/
[FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: [...] > I actually agree with you that Marshy was wrong. There is what > actually happens to meditators (not all that much if we are honest) > and there is the supporting dogma that everyone still clings to that > makes TM out to be the most amazing thing of any kind ever. If the most recent research on TM and PTSD is replicated by independent studies, only former True Believers will continue with this line of reasoning. L
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
Very very well said! From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > MMY's TM theory is his attempt to explain his understanding of meditation and > enlightenment in modern terms. This understanding is colored by his religious > upbringing and obviously is biased in favor of his belief-system. > > His description of the behavior of a fully enlightened person assumes all the > perfectionism inherent in religious dogma, and you don't need to assume that > everything is literally true in order to appreciate the significance of his > attempt. > > Also, you (and I and many others) have made the mistake of assuming that the > behavioral patterns associated with the work in progress we call the > beginnings of Cosmic Consciousness is identical with the theoretical > end-point of a jivanmukti, or "fully" stress-free individual. > > The fact that someone is acting spontaneously at all times simply means that > they are sufficiently stress-free to always have some level of pure > consciousness present. That doesn't mean that they suddenly stop being the > person they were pre-CC. While one assumes that the worst aspects of > someone's personality might mellow with progression in CC/GC/UC, that doesn't > mean that they turn into a proverbial saint overnight -if ever. > > Besides, even the Christian saints weren't always pleasant people to be > around, even if they never "sinned" in Christian religious terms. > > And of course, MMY could be totally wrong about much or all of what he > claimed for enlightenment, regardless of how enlightened someone becomes by > TM standards. > > The real world generally isn't quite how the theorist theorizes it is, > afterall. So we can have our cake and eat it? Or throw it against the wall. And no one can say it's better or worse than doing the opposite? That's quite a philosophy to rally round. The best thing I can say about TM philosophy is that it's a mighty fine sales pitch, but just like my vacuum cleaner that didn't cure my asthma, TM didn't either. To refresh our memory, the idea behind exposure to the "unified field" is that we take on the supposed qualities of that and exhibit improved moral behaviour (amongst other things) The more meditation, the more moral we should become. We should look at the behaviour of many long term TMers as falsification of the theory not proof that it's more complicated and probably still working. Just as we should admit that the ME doesn't work because there are still earthquakes, not that it works because there might be a period of *more* earthquakes. I actually agree with you that Marshy was wrong. There is what actually happens to meditators (not all that much if we are honest) and there is the supporting dogma that everyone still clings to that makes TM out to be the most amazing thing of any kind ever. There comes a time to ditch optimism and replace it with realism, it won't sell as many yagyas but it's gotta be fairer on the domies, they might be able to make something of their lives if they had the comfort blanket of saving the world taken away. I think this is why people don't take TM science all that seriously. We all know that they are hardcore TBs, I've been to lectures by some of them and instead of getting a fair and balanced (and interesting) overview of what they were doing in their research it was all the usual crowd pleasing BS about cosmic consciousness. It's a bit premature to be making wild claims about unified fields when we don't know anything about them or even if it exists. No wonder the mainstream takes MUM with a pinch of salt! > L > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > I still want to know how proponents of TM and its supposed benefits that > > are touted as being nearly miraculous can BE proponents of TM AND continue > > to tout its benefits when the actual real time real world activities of > > many long time meditators leave much to be desired. > > > > As an example the current situation of a MUM faculty member being fired for > > embezzling money from MUM and using some of the money to reward students in > > exchange for having sex with him. > > > > If TM in essence washes clean our stresses, AND spontaneously infuses the > > Unified Field and all its supposedly amazing qualities into the body, mind, > > emotions of the meditator, then how do people like this MUM faculty member > > wind up doing things like this? > > > > If the Unified Field is the most powerful force in existence, then it would > > seem that a human being's own mind has the power to overrule the natural > > spontaneous right behavior that comes from right action generated by an > > individual who's physiology and mind are increasingly infused with the > > Abso
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
Don't fret Lawson, it won't be. From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: [...] > I actually agree with you that Marshy was wrong. There is what > actually happens to meditators (not all that much if we are honest) > and there is the supporting dogma that everyone still clings to that > makes TM out to be the most amazing thing of any kind ever. If the most recent research on TM and PTSD is replicated by independent studies, only former True Believers will continue with this line of reasoning. L
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the mantras down From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - he > > just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me was > > accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a damned > > old fraud Marshy was > > > > I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had > recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the > beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite > these mantras before having sex." :-D > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Busboy, was Oh Jesus why do I do it? No degree!
I never attempted to get any kind of degree from MIU you idiot, as I have said before. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 9:22 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Busboy, was Oh Jesus why do I do it? No degree! Michael Jackson: > I had no idea you have any pics of Richard!! > Another red herring. Forget about the bread baking; what about the degree, MJ? So you want to get married? Let me see your degree. Boston Globe: http://tinyurl.com/bpjgfl4 > > Thanks Ann - it was wasted effort as it was over > > Rich's head - or maybe he had a hard time reading > > it since his head was stuffed into a Buddhist stupa > > > > > > At no time have I ever claimed to have been a student at > > > > MIU or to have sought an English degree. I was on kitchen > > > > service staff my entire 2 years at the place. > > > > > > > So, I stand corrected: you were a busboy for two years > > > at a religious school in Iowa trying to get a degree in > > > English while mumbling nonsense gibberish and bouncing > > > on foam. Go figure. > > > > I think he said he never "sought" an English degree. Based > > on his last rebuttal it doesn't appear he needs one. > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Jesus why do I do it?
I went to MIU to be on staff - they wanted me to be on security and I refused since I didn't want to work when everyone else was asleep. At first they made me an errand boy, picking people up from the airports etc, then was put in charge of the serving area and dining room for the 1st 6 months, then went into the bakery cause they only had one guy in there and remained there the rest of the time till Bill Sands kicked me out. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 7:40 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Jesus why do I do it? Michael Jackson: > At no time have I ever claimed to have been a > student at MIU or to have sought an English > degree. I was on kitchen service staff my > entire 2 years at the place. > I stand corrected: you have never been a student at MIU, you were on staff as a baker for two years at that place up in Iowa, but didn't get a degree in English. Not sure why you did it, there's no money in being a baker at MIU or most anywhere else. For what purpose did you want to bake for the TMO? Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't stand the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to look clearly with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't like what I found, but dealing with the truth is better than continuing to tell myself lies. From: "sri...@ymail.com" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt any careful observer cares much anymore.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Jesus why do I do it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I went to MIU to be on staff - they wanted me to be on security and I refused > since I didn't want to work when everyone else was asleep. > > At first they made me an errand boy, picking people up from the airports etc, > then was put in charge of the serving area and dining room for the 1st 6 > months, then went into the bakery cause they only had one guy in there and > remained there the rest of the time till Bill Sands kicked me out. Which was a good thing. They obviously didn't need people with serious mental problems on staff. Same today and all over the world.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Jesus why do I do it?
all these years of Marshy worship have warped your brain, Nappy - all you have to do is look at the TMO leadership and you find a rogue's gallery of arrogant screwed up individuals who really should be in the care of a mental health therapist although I am not sure if there are any who could wean any of them off of their I gotta commit fraud addiction From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 7:38 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Jesus why do I do it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I went to MIU to be on staff - they wanted me to be on security and I refused > since I didn't want to work when everyone else was asleep. > > At first they made me an errand boy, picking people up from the airports etc, > then was put in charge of the serving area and dining room for the 1st 6 > months, then went into the bakery cause they only had one guy in there and > remained there the rest of the time till Bill Sands kicked me out. Which was a good thing. They obviously didn't need people with serious mental problems on staff. Same today and all over the world.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
You only see what you are looking for. Painting yourself as a courageous seeker of the truth is ludicrous. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't stand > the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to look clearly > with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't like what I found, > but dealing with the truth is better than continuing to tell myself lies. > > > > > > From: "srijau@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > Â > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most > extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt any > careful observer cares much anymore. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
FWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both "safely" in Taurus... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) > > to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa > > Copied from my Facebook post: > > I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March > extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made > disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and Mars > (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of Aries. A > few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly opposite > Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous political/military > situations in the world. When Sun & Mars will get close to Ketu > (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive situations > may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please pray for a few > minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace and calm in the > world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. > > Best regards, > Narasimha >
[FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
Certainly, the Congolese refugee study is likely to be an outlier. However, it might not be. The situation that triggered the PTSD was different than for veterans and first responders, and equal-ish numbers of men and women were tested, though I don't recall if any gender-related differences were found. The study was very straight-forward, short-term, with both clinically and statistically large effects, so we can be sure that people will attempt to replicate it -especially people with no connection to the TM organization. You appear to be assuming that the study is deliberately fraudulent or was so badly done that the results are meaningless. I make no such assumptions. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Don't fret Lawson, it won't be. > > > > > > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:00 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > [...] > > I actually agree with you that Marshy was wrong. There is what > > actually happens to meditators (not all that much if we are honest) > > and there is the supporting dogma that everyone still clings to that > > makes TM out to be the most amazing thing of any kind ever. > > If the most recent research on TM and PTSD is replicated by independent > studies, only former True Believers will continue with this line of reasoning. > > L >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras > the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were > appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the mantras > down > > > > > > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > Â > In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking > the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. > > There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - > > > he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me > > > was accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a > > > damned old fraud Marshy was > > > > > > > I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had > > recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the > > beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite > > these mantras before having sex." :-D > > > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Fw: The answer to gun control
--- Begin Message --- -- Forwarded message -- From: DON LOOS Date: Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 1:28 PM Subject: Fw: The answer to gun control To: don Loos ** Subject: FW: The answer to gun control What can I say??? -- *In 1863 a Democrat shot and killed Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States.* *In 1983 a registered Democrat shot and wounded Ronald Reagan.* *In 2007 a registered Democrat named Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people in Virginia Tech.* *In 2010 a mentally ill registered Democrat named Jared Lee Loughner shot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and killing 6 others.* *In 2011 a registered Democrat named James Holmes went into a movie theater and shot and killed 12 people.* *In 2013 a registered Democrat named Adam Lanza shot and killed 26 people in a school.* *One could go on, but you get the point, even if the media does not.* *Clearly, there is a problem with Democrats and guns.* * SOLUTION: It should simply be illegal for Democrats to own guns. Best idea I’ve seen. * --- End Message ---
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone noticed...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > ...that the more their traditional victims ignore the > hard-core abusers here on FFL, Who would that be Barry and show me, if I am counted as one of the "hard-core abusers", where I have abused anybody this week so far? You won't because you can't. And if you think you have been "abused" by me this week you will only be laughed at - uproariously. >the more panicky they > get, and the more they sling their wordvomit, especially > at the beginning of the week? Who's panicking here? You have started multiple subject headings already here this week and the only ones anyone has bitten at are your seriously ridiculous "terrorist" posts and the Roger Ebert review which resulted in some interesting magic posts. Is it that you want just a tad more attention and aren't getting it? > > Good job, pissants. Here it is Monday morning, and most > of you are well over the halfway point to posting out > already. :-) Let's see. Here is the post count as of yesterday: 28 Richard J. Williams 25 authfriend 20 card 19 doctordumbass 18 seventhray27 18 curtisdeltablues 17 Ann 15 Bhairitu 14 turquoiseb Want to re-state your plural of "pissant"? Oh, I guess you count Richard among those, he is such a cretin along with Judy, eh? What a horrible waste of skin that man is along with anyone else who you have decided to despise based on their possessing something I would call a 'spine'. > > And, of course, kudos to Curtis and Steve, Kudos all around. >who are about > the only ones still willing to provide these abusers the > illusion that they are actually speaking to someone other > than each other. I'll chalk you up to an accomplished illusionist who takes the time to comment on, harp over, whinge incessantly about and roll out this hackneyed version of your "Review and Analysis of Life at FFL" every week or so as a sign you don't actually read what the "abusers" are writing. > The rest of us Barry speaking for the masses who love him, agree with him, stand by him and most importantly of all, want to BE him. Barry - the voice of the people. >appreciate you compassion- > ately "throwing yourself on the grenade" to get them to > post out early, so the rest of us don't have to wear > hip boots for the rest of the week. :-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
We all tell ourselves lies. Even fully enlightened people likely lie to themselves, but since they allegedly no longer have an internal dialogue, they can't catch their own lies because they appear to be intuitive truths. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't stand > the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to look clearly > with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't like what I found, > but dealing with the truth is better than continuing to tell myself lies. > > > > > > From: "srijau@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > Â > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most > extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt any > careful observer cares much anymore. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Michael Jackson: > I was a real TM true believer... > Yes, I hate the admin of my old school, and some of the teachers, but I got out of them what I needed and pretty much ignored the rest. But, you don't make it clear if you were a student or not and what degree you were pursuing. I know it must be tough trying to work as a full-time baker and at the same time learning English, but I was trying to get a degree in IT while working as a fulltime janitor. Maybe you were a decent baker at that religious school up in Iowa, and maybe you did chant some nonsense gibberiesh syllables at night inside a pagoda -'mantras' - I don't know. Go figure. But, you don't seem to know very much about yoga for having been up there for two years doing baker-zen. Did you have any gurus up there? I used to know Robert Keith Wallace and his brother Peter at 433 and SIMS.
[FairfieldLife] Re: At least one person in Boston has a sense of humor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > Funny piece about the real-world consequences of being > in a city that essentially panics and declares martial > law because the police can't find one guy on the run. Yea, hilarious. Almost as funny as you continuing to try and make yourself look like someone with a legitimate point to make about this subject that virtually no one (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that there is at least one individual who might buddy up to you on this viewpoint of yours) here would agree that this "one guy" is the equivalent of another guy who ran a stop light or stole someone's iPhone. Stop now while you're way, way behind. You're just looking more like a douche the more you pursue this. (Did I say "douche"?) > > http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/lust-during-wartime >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
srijau: > you have shown time and again here that you > use any occasion to make the most extremist > statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense > too. So I doubt any careful observer cares > much anymore. > He seems to be kind of weird for someone who claims to have got more than one bija mantra from MMY or his other teachers. I wonder where he got the other 'mantras', and why? He doesn't seem to have done well in school and he seems to have a lot of time on his hands these days. Did he get expelled or drop out or get fired? Nobody I know, including Kirk, who was also a cook up there, ever heard of him baking anything in the kitchen or practicing anything in the dome. Is there any evidence that he knows anything about yoga? He has been asking some pretty dumb questions about basic meditation practice. Apparently he gets off on insulting meditators. Go figure. Far from revealing any 'secrets of the mantras', we've had to educate him on basic kundalini yoga poses. LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I > don't understand why you think this is relevant. > > L In the early days, M apparently gave out only two mantras to TM teachers; those mantras were not the ones currently used, and this changed later to the current system. I suppose one would have to get someone who learned in the second half of the 1950s or a bit later, and who would also talk about it, to find out. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > > Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras > > the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were > > appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > > > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the > > mantras down > > > > > > > > > > > > From: sparaig > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > Â > > In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > > secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking > > the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. > > > > There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. > > > > L > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina > > > > - he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told > > > > me was accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see > > > > what a damned old fraud Marshy was > > > > > > > > > > I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had > > > recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the > > > beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite > > > these mantras before having sex." :-D > > > > > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > > > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > > > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > > > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
only from the point of view of one who is afraid of it (truth that is) From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras You only see what you are looking for. Painting yourself as a courageous seeker of the truth is ludicrous. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't stand > the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to look clearly > with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't like what I found, > but dealing with the truth is better than continuing to tell myself lies. > > > > > > From: "srijau@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > Â > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most > extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt any > careful observer cares much anymore. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why terrorism works, and why it doesn't work on me
> > During the rest of this year, in Boston alone, > > probably something like 20+ people shall be > > killed by firearms?? > > Alex Stanley: > ...guarantees all Americans, regardless of mental > health, > Apparently it is unlawful in Iowa for someone with mental health problems to own a gun. From what I've read, Iowa state doesn't spend very much on improving people's 'mental health'. Instead of passing more laws, it might be a better thing to cure and prevent the mental illness. > the right to own an unbelievably dangerous array of > firearms, with the horrendous rates of firearms > deaths being our proud birthright. > So, I wonder how many deaths in Iowa last year can be attributed to people with mental health problems? Passing more gun control laws doesn't seem to be very high on Iowa voters list of important issues. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
how do you know what the Old Fraud did in his meditation? From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:36 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras > the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were > appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the mantras > down > > > > > > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > Â > In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking > the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. > > There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - > > > he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me > > > was accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a > > > damned old fraud Marshy was > > > > > > > I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had > > recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the > > beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite > > these mantras before having sex." :-D > > > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Jamie Vollmer was my initiator and I believe he still live in Fairfield if you want my bona fides, as to Kirk I don't remember anyone by that name in kitchen services - I was there from August of 1985 - July of 1987. And yes I am stupid for continuing to respond to your inanities. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras srijau: > you have shown time and again here that you > use any occasion to make the most extremist > statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense > too. So I doubt any careful observer cares > much anymore. > He seems to be kind of weird for someone who claims to have got more than one bija mantra from MMY or his other teachers. I wonder where he got the other 'mantras', and why? He doesn't seem to have done well in school and he seems to have a lot of time on his hands these days. Did he get expelled or drop out or get fired? Nobody I know, including Kirk, who was also a cook up there, ever heard of him baking anything in the kitchen or practicing anything in the dome. Is there any evidence that he knows anything about yoga? He has been asking some pretty dumb questions about basic meditation practice. Apparently he gets off on insulting meditators. Go figure. Far from revealing any 'secrets of the mantras', we've had to educate him on basic kundalini yoga poses. LoL!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
God damn! How many times do I have to say it - I was on STAFF at MIU, I was never a student. I never sought any degree at MIU never ever. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:42 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras Michael Jackson: > I was a real TM true believer... > Yes, I hate the admin of my old school, and some of the teachers, but I got out of them what I needed and pretty much ignored the rest. But, you don't make it clear if you were a student or not and what degree you were pursuing. I know it must be tough trying to work as a full-time baker and at the same time learning English, but I was trying to get a degree in IT while working as a fulltime janitor. Maybe you were a decent baker at that religious school up in Iowa, and maybe you did chant some nonsense gibberiesh syllables at night inside a pagoda -'mantras' - I don't know. Go figure. But, you don't seem to know very much about yoga for having been up there for two years doing baker-zen. Did you have any gurus up there? I used to know Robert Keith Wallace and his brother Peter at 433 and SIMS.
Re: [FairfieldLife] At least one person in Boston has a sense of humor
IMHO the last line of the article is a stroke of genius as it totally stopped me in my mental tracks and changed the whole tone of it for me. From: turquoiseb To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] At least one person in Boston has a sense of humor Funny piece about the real-world consequences of being in a city that essentially panics and declares martial law because the police can't find one guy on the run. http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/lust-during-wartime
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Its in the book - and of the 2 mantras this guy was given on the Rishikesh Beatles course to teach to everyone, one of them is the mantra I got at the TM center in 1974. From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I > don't understand why you think this is relevant. > > L In the early days, M apparently gave out only two mantras to TM teachers; those mantras were not the ones currently used, and this changed later to the current system. I suppose one would have to get someone who learned in the second half of the 1950s or a bit later, and who would also talk about it, to find out. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > > Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras > > the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were > > appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > > > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the > > mantras down > > > > > > > > > > > > From: sparaig > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > Â > > In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > > secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking > > the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. > > > > There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. > > > > L > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina > > > > - he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told > > > > me was accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see > > > > what a damned old fraud Marshy was > > > > > > > > > > I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had > > > recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the > > > beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite > > > these mantras before having sex." :-D > > > > > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > > > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > > > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > > > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - he > > just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me was > > accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a damned > > old fraud Marshy was > > > > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > Late breaking news on the matter: (CNN) -- Nablusoss the senior meditator angrily condemned the alleged actions of the former meditators -- the meditators suspected in the speaking their mantras out loud -- and after calling the former meditators "losers," the old and experienced meditator urged the former meditators to turn themselves in immediately to the course office. "If you're alive, turn yourselves in and ask for forgiveness from the victims," the elder meditator said in front of reporters in a news conference outside his home.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing inability to see more complete truth much less express it. Here's my post from Sunday in its entirety: from noozguru, best intentional joke: I spent the whole day yesterday dodging terrorists. Oh wait, those were just bad drivers. from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria: I'm allergic to dishonesty. from turq, best surprise ending: Sigh. from RD, best no surprise at all: Ann, wonderfully insightful post to Share. Best unintentional irony, Curtis asking merudanda, " Do you do any magic yourself?" Second best nickname, Twinkie being the first: Toots Best example of getting more info than one could ever imagine getting: it was from carde and that's all I'm gonna say! Best invitation into rabbit hole, from MJ: Have at it FFL. Beste from feste: Someone once said that every man has three lives, a public life, a private life, and a secret life. My favorite quote to Ann from me: Yes, I agree that both the Sept 6 upset and the psychological rape upset have been blown out of proportion. But the blowers were many! *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness is neither present nor likely, From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 8:42 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: (snip) > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria: I'm allergic > to dishonesty. (snip) > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > is neither present nor likely, Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- including rewriting history as documented by *her own posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away the dishonesty or acknowledge it. (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Why terrorism works, and why it doesn't work on me
> > The goal of terrorism is not to kill people. It's to > > instill fear in those who survive, and make them so > > fearful that they no longer feel capable of living > > their everyday, fulfilling lives in the ways they > > want to live them. > > > > Smart people do not fall for this. Dumb people do. > > Bhairitu: > And people are s dumb in the US that the episode > of "Hannibal" that was supposed to play last Thursday > was pulled... > Anyone that would watch U.S. broadcast TV last Thursday is real dumb, obviously, but if that's what makes your life fulfilling. Go figure. At least you have a TV set and a house, so you don't have to watch movies on a fifteen inch laptop PC in a cold fifth floor apartment. LoL!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone noticed...
No, I haven't noticed. The only one verbally puking is you, my dear. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > ...that the more their traditional victims ignore the > hard-core abusers here on FFL, the more panicky they > get, and the more they sling their wordvomit, especially > at the beginning of the week? > > Good job, pissants. Here it is Monday morning, and most > of you are well over the halfway point to posting out > already. :-) > > And, of course, kudos to Curtis and Steve, who are about > the only ones still willing to provide these abusers the > illusion that they are actually speaking to someone other > than each other. The rest of us appreciate you compassion- > ately "throwing yourself on the grenade" to get them to > post out early, so the rest of us don't have to wear > hip boots for the rest of the week. :-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Busboy, was Oh Jesus why do I do it? No degree!
Michael Jackson: > I never attempted to get any kind of degree > from MIU you idiot, as I have said before. > Did you take a baking course, a yoga course, or an English course? LoL! > Another red herring. Forget about the bread baking; > what about the degree, MJ? > > So you want to get married? Let me see your degree. > > Boston Globe: > http://tinyurl.com/bpjgfl4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oh Jesus why do I do it?
Michael Jackson: > I went to MIU to be on staff - they wanted me to > be on security and I refused since I didn't want > to work when everyone else was asleep. > > At first they made me an errand boy, picking > people up from the airports etc, then was put > in charge of the serving area and dining room > for the 1st 6 months, > So, you were a busboy for six months. There's not much money in that. So, what was your plan since you didn't seek a degree? Usually people that go away to college at least take English. Go figure. > then went into the bakery cause they only had one > guy in there and remained there the rest of the > time till Bill Sands kicked me out. > So, you got kicked out of the kitchen - I guess that would explain why you're upset with the TMO. So, why did you go on mumbling the non-sense gibberish after you were kicked out? Just tell us the truth, MJ. LoL! > > At no time have I ever claimed to have been a > > student at MIU or to have sought an English > > degree. I was on kitchen service staff my > > entire 2 years at the place. > > > I stand corrected: you have never been a student > at MIU, you were on staff as a baker for two years > at that place up in Iowa, but didn't get a degree > in English. Not sure why you did it, there's no > money in being a baker at MIU or most anywhere > else. For what purpose did you want to bake for > the TMO? Go figure. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it out your ass"? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. (snip) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > (snip) > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:Â I'm allergic > > to dishonesty. > (snip) > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > is neither present nor likely, > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.) >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
gosh I missed the turning yourself in part! I thought he wanted all of us executed. From: Buck To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - he > > just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me was > > accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a damned > > old fraud Marshy was > > > > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > Late breaking news on the matter: (CNN) -- Nablusoss the senior meditator angrily condemned the alleged actions of the former meditators -- the meditators suspected in the speaking their mantras out loud -- and after calling the former meditators "losers," the old and experienced meditator urged the former meditators to turn themselves in immediately to the course office. "If you're alive, turn yourselves in and ask for forgiveness from the victims," the elder meditator said in front of reporters in a news conference outside his home.
[FairfieldLife] Re: White bread, was Oh Jesus why I do it?
> > I went to MIU to be on staff - they wanted me > > to be on security and I refused since I didn't > > want to work when everyone else was asleep. > > > > At first they made me an errand boy, picking > > people up from the airports etc, then was put > > in charge of the serving area and dining room > > for the 1st 6 months, then went into the > > bakery cause they only had one guy in there and > > remained there the rest of the time till Bill > > Sands kicked me out. > > nablusoss: > Which was a good thing. They obviously didn't > need people with serious mental problems on > staff. Same today and all over the world. > Maybe it was because he baked bad bread that he got kicked out. Go figure. Anyone who would bake and eat white bread would have to be either ignorant or sick by now, right?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Lawson, couldn't they be having an internal dialogue and be witnessing it, not identifying with it, not being gripped by it? Something along those lines. From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:41 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras We all tell ourselves lies. Even fully enlightened people likely lie to themselves, but since they allegedly no longer have an internal dialogue, they can't catch their own lies because they appear to be intuitive truths. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't stand > the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to look clearly > with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't like what I found, > but dealing with the truth is better than continuing to tell myself lies. > > > > > > From: "srijau@..." > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > Â > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the most > extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt any > careful observer cares much anymore. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
It's nothing to do with fear. It's a matter of realizing that truth has many sides to it. You have to look at the whole picture, which you are not doing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > only from the point of view of one who is afraid of it (truth that is) > > > > > > From: feste37 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > Â > You only see what you are looking for. Painting yourself as a courageous > seeker of the truth is ludicrous. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't stand > > the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to look > > clearly with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't like > > what I found, but dealing with the truth is better than continuing to tell > > myself lies. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the > > most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt > > any careful observer cares much anymore. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: At least one person in Boston has a sense of humor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > Funny piece about the real-world consequences of being > in a city that essentially panics and declares martial > law because the police can't find one guy on the run. > > http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/lust-during-wartime And when you're finished reading that bit of fluff, take in the next post on the blog, a piece by a *real* writer, Charlie Pierce: http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/night-in-watertown-cemetery-042013?bottom http://tinyurl.com/bvff5zg BTW, Boston didn't panic, nor did it declare martial law. And anybody who thinks law enforcement shouldn't have gone all out to get this guy and take him alive is an effete, clueless elitist. Emphasis on "clueless."
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sweaty balls?!
Reduced systemic inflammation = increased blood flow and increased testosterone level (usually experienced as warmth) and more efficient metabolism. Enjoy! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "card" wrote: > > > One of the most curious phenomena after I started gluten-free diet > has been sweaty balls, especially when sleeping. Haven't had > those for years now, as I recall it! > > I just came up with a possible explanation: improved blood flow > in my genitals. But, then again, it might have something > to do with some hormones, perhaps through improved liver functions, > or stuff... blah, blah, blah... :o >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Busboy, was Oh Jesus why do I do it? No degree!
They did not offer any courses in yoga in those years, I already spoke, read and wrote English well enough to not need a course, and as to the baking, I learned on the job. As to your other inane questions about why I "went away to college" I, like most of the people who were on staff then (some of whom are still on staff now like Mike Shay, Larry Wiesselberg, Brad Mylett and so on) I went not because it was a so-called university, but because it was the TM Mecca. I went because I wanted to be in a place where doing TM was not an aberration, where everyone was dedicated to becoming enlightened. And I am in a way glad I did because I got a good look at the seamy underbelly of the Movement in a mild way (compared to people like Curtis and Barry who have seen much more) and my time at MIU was the beginning of my waking up from the TM-is-the-be-all-and-end-all-of-life mentatlity, and the beginning of the end of Marshy-is-an-infallibal-enlightened-sage mentatlity. Thank goodness I am out of that mind numbing crap. From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Busboy, was Oh Jesus why do I do it? No degree! Michael Jackson: > I never attempted to get any kind of degree > from MIU you idiot, as I have said before. > Did you take a baking course, a yoga course, or an English course? LoL! > Another red herring. Forget about the bread baking; > what about the degree, MJ? > > So you want to get married? Let me see your degree. > > Boston Globe: > http://tinyurl.com/bpjgfl4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Has anyone noticed...
Ann, it didn't used to be like this for Barry. Now, it seems every other post is this kind of defensive scatter-shot type of move, a shotgun blast aimed at whatever may be in his way, and for Barry, someone, or something, always is. He was never any good at figuring out why people may challenge him. He desperately assumes himself as perfect, as his mother always told him he was, and his father always told him he wasn't. With such a mixed message rattling around in his head, his panicky assumption is that others are *always* to blame for his discomfort. He now has enough life experience to have the story all fit together, except when it doesn't. Then, it is always someone else's fault. Better he keep his nose down in his cubicle today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > ...that the more their traditional victims ignore the > > hard-core abusers here on FFL, > > Who would that be Barry and show me, if I am counted as one of the "hard-core > abusers", where I have abused anybody this week so far? You won't because you > can't. And if you think you have been "abused" by me this week you will only > be laughed at - uproariously. > > >the more panicky they > > get, and the more they sling their wordvomit, especially > > at the beginning of the week? > > Who's panicking here? You have started multiple subject headings already here > this week and the only ones anyone has bitten at are your seriously > ridiculous "terrorist" posts and the Roger Ebert review which resulted in > some interesting magic posts. Is it that you want just a tad more attention > and aren't getting it? > > > > Good job, pissants. Here it is Monday morning, and most > > of you are well over the halfway point to posting out > > already. :-) > > Let's see. Here is the post count as of yesterday: > > 28 Richard J. Williams > 25 authfriend > 20 card > 19 doctordumbass > 18 seventhray27 > 18 curtisdeltablues > 17 Ann > 15 Bhairitu > 14 turquoiseb > > Want to re-state your plural of "pissant"? Oh, I guess you count Richard > among those, he is such a cretin along with Judy, eh? What a horrible waste > of skin that man is along with anyone else who you have decided to despise > based on their possessing something I would call a 'spine'. > > > > > > And, of course, kudos to Curtis and Steve, > > Kudos all around. > > >who are about > > the only ones still willing to provide these abusers the > > illusion that they are actually speaking to someone other > > than each other. > > > I'll chalk you up to an accomplished illusionist who takes the time to > comment on, harp over, whinge incessantly about and roll out this hackneyed > version of your "Review and Analysis of Life at FFL" every week or so as a > sign you don't actually read what the "abusers" are writing. > > > The rest of us > > Barry speaking for the masses who love him, agree with him, stand by him and > most importantly of all, want to BE him. Barry - the voice of the people. > > >appreciate you compassion- > > ately "throwing yourself on the grenade" to get them to > > post out early, so the rest of us don't have to wear > > hip boots for the rest of the week. :-) > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
I did dummy, that's why I saw the same stuff that Barry, Curtis, Sal and countless others saw - a balanced picture of Marshy and the TMO is a very seamy picture, and that is the truth. From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras It's nothing to do with fear. It's a matter of realizing that truth has many sides to it. You have to look at the whole picture, which you are not doing. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > only from the point of view of one who is afraid of it (truth that is) > > > > > > From: feste37 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > >  > You only see what you are looking for. Painting yourself as a courageous > seeker of the truth is ludicrous. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't stand > > the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to look > > clearly with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't like > > what I found, but dealing with the truth is better than continuing to tell > > myself lies. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > >  > > > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the > > most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt > > any careful observer cares much anymore. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
When someone resorts to a vulgarity like this it's a clear sign that they have been well and truly nailed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it > out your ass"? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. > (snip) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > (snip) > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:Â I'm allergic > > > to dishonesty. > > (snip) > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > > is neither present nor likely, > > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.) > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: White bread, was Oh Jesus why I do it?
its what the Americans at MIU demanded and what the kitchen director told me to do From: Richard J. Williams To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: White bread, was Oh Jesus why I do it? > > I went to MIU to be on staff - they wanted me > > to be on security and I refused since I didn't > > want to work when everyone else was asleep. > > > > At first they made me an errand boy, picking > > people up from the airports etc, then was put > > in charge of the serving area and dining room > > for the 1st 6 months, then went into the > > bakery cause they only had one guy in there and > > remained there the rest of the time till Bill > > Sands kicked me out. > > nablusoss: > Which was a good thing. They obviously didn't > need people with serious mental problems on > staff. Same today and all over the world. > Maybe it was because he baked bad bread that he got kicked out. Go figure. Anyone who would bake and eat white bread would have to be either ignorant or sick by now, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
sparaig: > Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his > meditation practice, I don't understand why you > think this is relevant. > The mantras MMY wrote down were probably English transliterations; I doubt if MMY could write in Sanskrit script. > > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was > > made a teacher on the Rishikesh course (yeah the > > one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras > > the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper > > with the ages that were appropriate - under 13 > > years of age, one for over 13 > > > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok > > for him to write the mantras down > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
Indeed I am, oh Explosive One! But just in case you were offering a behavioral modification suggestion, so sorry, no can do as I have been laughing my tukas off at the exchange between Richard and MJ this morning. From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it out your ass"? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. (snip) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > (snip) > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:Â I'm allergic > > to dishonesty. > (snip) > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > is neither present nor likely, > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.) >
[FairfieldLife] Hey Curtis--- very cool video I think you'll like
Curtis, with your passion for musical education as a tool for personal and social development and your love of cigar box guitars, I couldn't help but think of you when I saw this story of some musicians in Paraguay who found a way to craft instruments from trash when they didn't have enough for their school programs--a whole orchestra's worth. Don't know if you've heard of them but it's very cool and inspiring. Landfill Harmonic Amazing and Inspirational < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJxxdQox7n0&feature=youtube_gdata_player\ > Cheers.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Michael Jackson: > Jamie Vollmer was my initiator and I believe he > still live in Fairfield if you want my bona fides, > as to Kirk I don't remember anyone by that name > in kitchen services - I was there from August of > 1985 - July of 1987. > He was the cook, you idiot! LoL! > And yes I am stupid for continuing to respond to > your inanities. > We just want the truth, MJ - it's your thread. So, what mantras did Jamie Vollmer give to you to meditate on? > > you have shown time and again here that you > > use any occasion to make the most extremist > > statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense > > too. So I doubt any careful observer cares > > much anymore. > > > He seems to be kind of weird for someone who > claims to have got more than one bija mantra > from MMY or his other teachers. I wonder where > he got the other 'mantras', and why? > > He doesn't seem to have done well in school > and he seems to have a lot of time on his hands > these days. Did he get expelled or drop out or > get fired? Nobody I know, including Kirk, who > was also a cook up there, ever heard of him > baking anything in the kitchen or practicing > anything in the dome. > > Is there any evidence that he knows anything > about yoga? He has been asking some pretty dumb > questions about basic meditation practice. > > Apparently he gets off on insulting meditators. > > Go figure. > > Far from revealing any 'secrets of the mantras', > we've had to educate him on basic kundalini > yoga poses. LoL! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
The real dummy is the one who does not know what words mean. Do you know what "balanced" means? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I did dummy, that's why I saw the same stuff that Barry, Curtis, Sal and > countless others saw - a balanced picture of Marshy and the TMO is a very > seamy picture, and that is the truth. > > > > > > From: feste37 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:53 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > >  > It's nothing to do with fear. It's a matter of realizing that truth has many > sides to it. You have to look at the whole picture, which you are not doing. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > only from the point of view of one who is afraid of it (truth that is) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: feste37 > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > à> > You only see what you are looking for. Painting yourself as a courageous > > seeker of the truth is ludicrous. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't > > > stand the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to > > > look clearly with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't > > > like what I found, but dealing with the truth is better than continuing > > > to tell myself lies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the > > > most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I > > > doubt any careful observer cares much anymore. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
The real dummy is the one who does not know what words mean. Do you know what "balanced" means? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I did dummy, that's why I saw the same stuff that Barry, Curtis, Sal and > countless others saw - a balanced picture of Marshy and the TMO is a very > seamy picture, and that is the truth. > > > > > > From: feste37 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:53 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > >  > It's nothing to do with fear. It's a matter of realizing that truth has many > sides to it. You have to look at the whole picture, which you are not doing. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > only from the point of view of one who is afraid of it (truth that is) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: feste37 > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > à> > You only see what you are looking for. Painting yourself as a courageous > > seeker of the truth is ludicrous. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't > > > stand the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to > > > look clearly with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't > > > like what I found, but dealing with the truth is better than continuing > > > to tell myself lies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the > > > most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I > > > doubt any careful observer cares much anymore. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > When someone resorts to a vulgarity like this it's a clear > sign that they have been well and truly nailed. Actually it's a much clearer sign when somebody expresses the same sentiment but feels the need to try to disguise it in more "polite" language. What a transparent phony she is. And feste is oblivious. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it > > out your ass"? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. > > (snip) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > (snip) > > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:Â I'm allergic > > > > to dishonesty. > > > (snip) > > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > > > is neither present nor likely, > > > > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > > > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.) > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Indeed I am, oh Explosive One! But just in case you were offering a > behavioral modification suggestion, so sorry, no can do as I have been > laughing my tukas off at the exchange between Richard and MJ this morning. A shaynem dank dir im pupik. > > From: authfriend > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:44 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL > > > >  > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it > out your ass"? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. > (snip) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > (snip) > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:àI'm allergic > > > to dishonesty. > > (snip) > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > > is neither present nor likely, > > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.) > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
The real dummy is the one who does not know what words mean. Do you know what "balanced" means? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > I did dummy, that's why I saw the same stuff that Barry, Curtis, Sal and > countless others saw - a balanced picture of Marshy and the TMO is a very > seamy picture, and that is the truth. > > > > > > From: feste37 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:53 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > >  > It's nothing to do with fear. It's a matter of realizing that truth has many > sides to it. You have to look at the whole picture, which you are not doing. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > only from the point of view of one who is afraid of it (truth that is) > > > > > > > > > > > > From: feste37 > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:09 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > à> > You only see what you are looking for. Painting yourself as a courageous > > seeker of the truth is ludicrous. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't > > > stand the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to > > > look clearly with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't > > > like what I found, but dealing with the truth is better than continuing > > > to tell myself lies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the > > > most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I > > > doubt any careful observer cares much anymore. > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
Looks like you've really got her here, Share. The poor woman is reduced to sputtering Yiddish insults. What a meltdown! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Indeed I am, oh Explosive One! But just in case you were offering a > > behavioral modification suggestion, so sorry, no can do as I have been > > laughing my tukas off at the exchange between Richard and MJ this morning. > > A shaynem dank dir im pupik. > > > > > > > From: authfriend > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:44 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL > > > > > > > >  > > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it > > out your ass"? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. > > (snip) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > (snip) > > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:àI'm allergic > > > > to dishonesty. > > > (snip) > > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > > > is neither present nor likely, > > > > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > > > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.) > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Oh gawd! I can see this is going to be a "palms to eyes" day on FFL. Michael, you did not do TTC, correct? I don't think you've ever claimed to but you've probably got folks like me who did rolling on the floor laughing. Out of respect I won't say why. However, gurus write down mantras all the time. It is the personal practice of meditation not just in TM but other paths as well where you are not supposed to give out your personal mantra even if the guru gives out the same one to everybody. But then by logic you might ask what happens if someone becomes a TM teacher and in the process doesn't have an advanced technique (and probably why MMY gave them out on TTCs) but just the first technique? On 04/22/2013 04:10 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras > the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were > appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the mantras > down > > > > > > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking > the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. > > There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: >>> Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - he >>> just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me was >>> accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a damned >>> old fraud Marshy was >>> >> I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had >> recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the >> beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite >> these mantras before having sex." :-D >> >> Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru >> is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the >> effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is >> true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. >> > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: White bread, was Oh Jesus why I do it?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > its what the Americans at MIU demanded and what the kitchen director told me > to do > I love sourdough and like I said to Curtis: don't let anyone use your skills, your art, your craft to belittle the other things they don't like about you. Long live the bakers of the world!! I believe baking is a kind of devotion and I happen to know how hard most kitchen staff worked at MIU and I also know how much I ate and how much I enjoyed the efforts of people just like yourself. I, for one, thank you. > > > > > From: Richard J. Williams > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:49 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: White bread, was Oh Jesus why I do it? > > > > Â > > > > > I went to MIU to be on staff - they wanted me > > > to be on security and I refused since I didn't > > > want to work when everyone else was asleep. > > > > > > At first they made me an errand boy, picking > > > people up from the airports etc, then was put > > > in charge of the serving area and dining room > > > for the 1st 6 months, then went into the > > > bakery cause they only had one guy in there and > > > remained there the rest of the time till Bill > > > Sands kicked me out. > > > > nablusoss: > > Which was a good thing. They obviously didn't > > need people with serious mental problems on > > staff. Same today and all over the world. > > > Maybe it was because he baked bad bread that > he got kicked out. Go figure. Anyone who > would bake and eat white bread would have to > be either ignorant or sick by now, right? >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > srijau: > > you have shown time and again here that you > > use any occasion to make the most extremist > > statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense > > too. So I doubt any careful observer cares > > much anymore. > > > He seems to be kind of weird for someone who > claims to have got more than one bija mantra > from MMY or his other teachers. I wonder where > he got the other 'mantras', and why? > > He doesn't seem to have done well in school > and he seems to have a lot of time on his hands > these days. Did he get expelled or drop out or > get fired? Nobody I know, including Kirk, who > was also a cook up there, ever heard of him > baking anything in the kitchen or practicing > anything in the dome. Perhaps MJ wasn't even there ever. Would fit in with the rest of his confused claims.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
Judy: Actually it's a much clearer sign when somebody expresses the same sentiment but feels the need to try to disguise it in more "polite" language. Share asks: Are you talking about Robin here?! Just like when he uses crude language it's sophisticated humor. Like that, when he uses polite language, it's what? Other than, you know, way better than when other people use polite language?! Judy, it's ok if you have biases. We all do. It's part of being human. For God's sake, woman, lighten up and laugh a little. Even at yourself, though I realize that might be a bit of a stretch just yet. Anyway, shalom l'chaim. From: authfriend To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:19 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > When someone resorts to a vulgarity like this it's a clear > sign that they have been well and truly nailed. Actually it's a much clearer sign when somebody expresses the same sentiment but feels the need to try to disguise it in more "polite" language. What a transparent phony she is. And feste is oblivious. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it > > out your ass"? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. > > (snip) > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > (snip) > > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:Â I'm allergic > > > > to dishonesty. > > > (snip) > > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > > > is neither present nor likely, > > > > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > > > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.) > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > Late breaking news on the matter: > (CNN) -- Nablusoss the senior meditator angrily condemned the alleged actions > of the former meditators -- the meditators suspected in the speaking their > mantras out loud -- and after calling the former meditators "losers," the > old and experienced meditator urged the former meditators to turn themselves > in immediately to the course office. > "If you're alive, turn yourselves in and ask for forgiveness from the > victims," the elder meditator said in front of reporters in a news conference > outside his home. Not a bad idea :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
On 04/22/2013 08:02 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > sparaig: >> Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his >> meditation practice, I don't understand why you >> think this is relevant. >> > The mantras MMY wrote down were probably English > transliterations; I doubt if MMY could write in > Sanskrit script. Oh gawd, Willy! (Palms to eyes). Devanagari script is used all over India for Hindi! It uses some additional characters for "f" and "z" which are sounds that are not in Sanskrit. For Maharishi not to read and write Devanagari would be like an American not knowing how to use toilet paper. There are signs in Devanagari all over India that spell out English words! I think you just stepped in bull dung and are spreading it around with your cowboy boots.
Re: [FairfieldLife] At least one person in Boston has a sense of humor
On 04/21/2013 10:24 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > Funny piece about the real-world consequences of being > in a city that essentially panics and declares martial > law because the police can't find one guy on the run. > > http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/lust-during-wartime Yup, I almost suggested the other day that Boston might have a mini baby boom 9 months from now just like what happens when there are power outages. Surprised someone here didn't or maybe they did and I didn't see the post amidst the usual clutter or is it "stuffing." :-D
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
dear noozguru, so sorry for my part in the palms to eyes day in Funny Farm Lounge (-: But I have to tell you that when I read your first line here I laughed so hard that MY eyes started leaking tears. Anyway, solider on. Are your guests gone? From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras Oh gawd! I can see this is going to be a "palms to eyes" day on FFL. Michael, you did not do TTC, correct? I don't think you've ever claimed to but you've probably got folks like me who did rolling on the floor laughing. Out of respect I won't say why. However, gurus write down mantras all the time. It is the personal practice of meditation not just in TM but other paths as well where you are not supposed to give out your personal mantra even if the guru gives out the same one to everybody. But then by logic you might ask what happens if someone becomes a TM teacher and in the process doesn't have an advanced technique (and probably why MMY gave them out on TTCs) but just the first technique? On 04/22/2013 04:10 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras > the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were > appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the mantras > down > > > > > > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking > the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. > > There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: >>> Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - he >>> just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me was >>> accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a damned >>> old fraud Marshy was >>> >> I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had >> recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the >> beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite >> these mantras before having sex." :-D >> >> Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru >> is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the >> effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is >> true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. >> > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
As per tradition, most likely a "guru mantra" from Brahmananda Saraswati. Guru mantras are not necessarily secret either but more like an "advanced technique" given to initiates of a path with the "initiate" not to be confused with the more loose meaning of the term for "TM initiator" where "TM meditation teacher" would be more correct. On 04/22/2013 07:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > how do you know what the Old Fraud did in his meditation? > > > > > > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:36 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I > don't understand why you think this is relevant. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: >> the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the >> Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras >> the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were >> appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 >> >> I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the >> mantras down >> >> >> >> >> >> From: sparaig >> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM >> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras >> >> >> >> Â >> In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a >> secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking >> the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. >> >> There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. >> >> L >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >>> On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me was accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a damned old fraud Marshy was >>> I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had >>> recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the >>> beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite >>> these mantras before having sex." :-D >>> >>> Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru >>> is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the >>> effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is >>> true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. >>> > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Judy: Actually it's a much clearer sign when somebody > expresses the same sentiment but feels the need to try > to disguise it in more "polite" language. Share asks: > Are you talking about Robin here?! No, dear, I'm talking about Share. But she knew that. (CURTIS!!! THIRD PERSON ALERT!!!) > Just like when he uses crude language it's sophisticated > humor. Like that, when he uses polite language, it's > what? Other than, you know, way better than when other > people use polite language?! The difference is that he isn't a phony who tries to pretend he's somebody he's not. > Judy, it's ok if you have biases. We all do. It's part of > being human. I don't believe I ever suggested that I didn't have biases. Did you imagine I did? > For God's sake, woman, lighten up and laugh a little. Share, I find your attempts at debating absolutely hilarious... > Even at yourself, though I realize that might be a bit of > a stretch just yet. ...like this, for example. > Anyway, shalom l'chaim. Gay en drareht en bach bagel. > From: authfriend > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:19 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL > > > >  > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > When someone resorts to a vulgarity like this it's a clear > > sign that they have been well and truly nailed. > > Actually it's a much clearer sign when somebody expresses > the same sentiment but feels the need to try to disguise > it in more "polite" language. > > What a transparent phony she is. And feste is oblivious. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it > > > out your ass"? > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > > > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > > > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. > > > (snip) > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > (snip) > > > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:àI'm allergic > > > > > to dishonesty. > > > > (snip) > > > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > > > > is neither present nor likely, > > > > > > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > > > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > > > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > > > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > > > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > > > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > > > > > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: At least one person in Boston has a sense of humor
I like that idea. Terrorist alert! Let's all have sex! If we don't have sex, then the terrorists win. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 04/21/2013 10:24 PM, turquoiseb wrote: > > Funny piece about the real-world consequences of being > > in a city that essentially panics and declares martial > > law because the police can't find one guy on the run. > > > > http://www.esquire.com/blogs/culture/lust-during-wartime > > Yup, I almost suggested the other day that Boston might have a mini baby > boom 9 months from now just like what happens when there are power > outages. Surprised someone here didn't or maybe they did and I didn't > see the post amidst the usual clutter or is it "stuffing." :-D >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
no i never did TTC and had always been told not to write down or speak the mantra - so the info in the Secrets of the Mantras as new to me From: Bhairitu To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras Oh gawd! I can see this is going to be a "palms to eyes" day on FFL. Michael, you did not do TTC, correct? I don't think you've ever claimed to but you've probably got folks like me who did rolling on the floor laughing. Out of respect I won't say why. However, gurus write down mantras all the time. It is the personal practice of meditation not just in TM but other paths as well where you are not supposed to give out your personal mantra even if the guru gives out the same one to everybody. But then by logic you might ask what happens if someone becomes a TM teacher and in the process doesn't have an advanced technique (and probably why MMY gave them out on TTCs) but just the first technique? On 04/22/2013 04:10 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras > the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were > appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the mantras > down > > > > > > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking > the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. > > There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: >>> Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - he >>> just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me was >>> accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a damned >>> old fraud Marshy was >>> >> I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had >> recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the >> beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite >> these mantras before having sex." :-D >> >> Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru >> is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the >> effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is >> true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. >> > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: White bread, was Oh Jesus why I do it?
Ha ha! That reminds me of something I had forgotten, after I started in the bakery, the university had just begun to institute ayurveda - among other things this meant we could not produce any sort of fermented products in the kitchen and that included sourdough bread. We were never allowed to make sourdough the entire time I was there. From: Ann To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:08 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: White bread, was Oh Jesus why I do it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > its what the Americans at MIU demanded and what the kitchen director told me > to do > I love sourdough and like I said to Curtis: don't let anyone use your skills, your art, your craft to belittle the other things they don't like about you. Long live the bakers of the world!! I believe baking is a kind of devotion and I happen to know how hard most kitchen staff worked at MIU and I also know how much I ate and how much I enjoyed the efforts of people just like yourself. I, for one, thank you. > > > > > From: Richard J. Williams > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:49 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: White bread, was Oh Jesus why I do it? > > > > Â > > > > > I went to MIU to be on staff - they wanted me > > > to be on security and I refused since I didn't > > > want to work when everyone else was asleep. > > > > > > At first they made me an errand boy, picking > > > people up from the airports etc, then was put > > > in charge of the serving area and dining room > > > for the 1st 6 months, then went into the > > > bakery cause they only had one guy in there and > > > remained there the rest of the time till Bill > > > Sands kicked me out. > > > > nablusoss: > > Which was a good thing. They obviously didn't > > need people with serious mental problems on > > staff. Same today and all over the world. > > > Maybe it was because he baked bad bread that > he got kicked out. Go figure. Anyone who > would bake and eat white bread would have to > be either ignorant or sick by now, right? >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Richy and his buddy Kirk have their time frames mixed up - there was no Kirk there as cook when I was there, and I was there. Ask Peter Ligotti who I believe still lives in Fairfield. Peter was one of the cooks when I first started, as was Avraham Geron, Edmund Cotton and David Shapiro. After those guys left in the second year, Bill Sporrer from South Dakota, Bob from Hawaii, and Eric Bullard from Oregon who become head cook, there was a Philip from Los Angeles and one or two others, a short guy named Jim I think. But no Kirk - unless it was a tall smooth talking guy who was there just for a few months - he was a real nasty bastard that made most people mad, especially Bill Sporrer who nearly beat his ass on a couple occasions. The nasty guy left and we heard he was living in town making big money selling these water purifiers - some guys who knew him well said he was selling weed along with the water purifiers. Give it up, Richy, I got names, dates and events - you got nothing but a big mouth and a warped mind. As to your constant mocking of the fact that I used to do TM, yeah, I did do it. And I stopped. End of story. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:10 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > srijau: > > you have shown time and again here that you > > use any occasion to make the most extremist > > statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense > > too. So I doubt any careful observer cares > > much anymore. > > > He seems to be kind of weird for someone who > claims to have got more than one bija mantra > from MMY or his other teachers. I wonder where > he got the other 'mantras', and why? > > He doesn't seem to have done well in school > and he seems to have a lot of time on his hands > these days. Did he get expelled or drop out or > get fired? Nobody I know, including Kirk, who > was also a cook up there, ever heard of him > baking anything in the kitchen or practicing > anything in the dome. Perhaps MJ wasn't even there ever. Would fit in with the rest of his confused claims.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Michael Jackson: > Give it up, Richy, I got names, dates and events... > Nobody I know up there ever heard of a 'Michael Jackson' being a 'baker', student, or anything else. Apparently nobody on this list ever heard of Michael Jackson ever even being in Fairfield. Go figure. > > > you have shown time and again here that you > > > use any occasion to make the most extremist > > > statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense > > > too. So I doubt any careful observer cares > > > much anymore. > > > > > He seems to be kind of weird for someone who > > claims to have got more than one bija mantra > > from MMY or his other teachers. I wonder where > > he got the other 'mantras', and why? > > > > He doesn't seem to have done well in school > > and he seems to have a lot of time on his hands > > these days. Did he get expelled or drop out or > > get fired? Nobody I know, including Kirk, who > > was also a cook up there, ever heard of him > > baking anything in the kitchen or practicing > > anything in the dome. > > Perhaps MJ wasn't even there ever. Would fit in with the rest of his confused > claims. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: White bread, was Oh Jesus why I do it?
Michael Jackson: > ...after I started in the bakery, the university had > just begun to institute ayurveda - among other things > this meant we could not produce any sort of fermented > products in the kitchen and that included sourdough > bread. We were never allowed to make sourdough the > entire time I was there... > You probably added plenty of DHMO, right? > > its what the Americans at MIU demanded and what the > > kitchen director told me to do > > > > I love sourdough and like I said to Curtis: don't let > anyone use your skills, your art, your craft to belittle > the other things they don't like about you. Long live > the bakers of the world!! I believe baking is a kind > of devotion and I happen to know how hard most kitchen > staff worked at MIU and I also know how much I ate and > how much I enjoyed the efforts of people just like > yourself. I, for one, thank you. > > > > > > I went to MIU to be on staff - they wanted me > > > > to be on security and I refused since I didn't > > > > want to work when everyone else was asleep. > > > > > > > > At first they made me an errand boy, picking > > > > people up from the airports etc, then was put > > > > in charge of the serving area and dining room > > > > for the 1st 6 months, then went into the > > > > bakery cause they only had one guy in there and > > > > remained there the rest of the time till Bill > > > > Sands kicked me out. > > > > > > nablusoss: > > > Which was a good thing. They obviously didn't > > > need people with serious mental problems on > > > staff. Same today and all over the world. > > > > > Maybe it was because he baked bad bread that > > he got kicked out. Go figure. Anyone who > > would bake and eat white bread would have to > > be either ignorant or sick by now, right?
[FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > Certainly, the Congolese refugee study is likely to be an outlier. However, > it might not be. The situation that triggered the PTSD was different than for > veterans and first responders, and equal-ish numbers of men and women were > tested, though I don't recall if any gender-related differences were found. > > The study was very straight-forward, short-term, with both clinically and > statistically large effects, so we can be sure that people will attempt to > replicate it -especially people with no connection to the TM organization. > > You appear to be assuming that the study is deliberately fraudulent or was so > badly done that the results are meaningless. I make no such assumptions. I think it's important not to make assumptions. I remember learning TM and getting a real buzz and thinking this must be the cure for all ills, the book certainly said so. It didn't last though and since then I've done a few things that started with glow of potential but fizzled out later. I suspect it's some sort of neural network thing, a kind of freedom you get from a sense of hope or at least a change of mental scenery. Or placebos, and they don't last very long either Time will tell for people with PTSD but as even you say about people uncovering and releasing stress that makes them act out of character in unpleasant ways, can we be sure that teaching a technique known to do this to combat vets a great idea? > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Don't fret Lawson, it won't be. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: sparaig > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:00 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > [...] > > > I actually agree with you that Marshy was wrong. There is what > > > actually happens to meditators (not all that much if we are honest) > > > and there is the supporting dogma that everyone still clings to that > > > makes TM out to be the most amazing thing of any kind ever. > > > > If the most recent research on TM and PTSD is replicated by independent > > studies, only former True Believers will continue with this line of > > reasoning. > > > > L > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
> > > Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his > > > meditation practice, I don't understand why you > > > think this is relevant. > > > > > The mantras MMY wrote down were probably English > > transliterations; I doubt if MMY could write in > > Sanskrit script. > > Bhairitu: > Devanagari script is used all over India for Hindi! > It uses some additional characters for "f" and "z" > which are sounds that are not in Sanskrit. For > Maharishi not to read and write Devanagari would be > like an American not knowing how to use toilet paper. > There are signs in Devanagari all over India that > spell out English words! I think you just stepped in > bull dung and are spreading it around with your > cowboy boots. > Well, I have seen zero evidence that MMY could read and write Sanskrit bija mantras. If he could, why would he need an English transliteration? Or, why would he have Vernon Katz compose the Sanskrit portions of the BG? >From what I've read, there is not a single person on in this list that could identify their bija mantra on any tantric yantra or mandala, or from flash cards of the Sanskrit alphabet, except maybe 'OM" or "Om Mani Padme Hum". Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] The last sentence...
...of John Irving's next novel? Perhaps *something like*: "Not every collision course comes as a surprise."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
On 04/22/2013 11:14 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote: > Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I don't understand why you think this is relevant. >>> The mantras MMY wrote down were probably English >>> transliterations; I doubt if MMY could write in >>> Sanskrit script. >>> > Bhairitu: >> Devanagari script is used all over India for Hindi! >> It uses some additional characters for "f" and "z" >> which are sounds that are not in Sanskrit. For >> Maharishi not to read and write Devanagari would be >> like an American not knowing how to use toilet paper. >> There are signs in Devanagari all over India that >> spell out English words! I think you just stepped in >> bull dung and are spreading it around with your >> cowboy boots. >> > Well, I have seen zero evidence that MMY could read and > write Sanskrit bija mantras. If he could, why would he > need an English transliteration? Or, why would he have > Vernon Katz compose the Sanskrit portions of the BG? It would have been superfluous for Maharishi to sit there and real time transliterate and translate from Sanskrit. With a western audience the transliterations are more efficient. And transliterations are tricky because which English dialect are you going to use? The puja pages were written for US English speakers not British. Many early transliterations are more for British English as a dialect. I even had my tantra guru write mantras in Devanagari because transliterations can be tricky. > > >From what I've read, there is not a single person on > in this list that could identify their bija mantra on > any tantric yantra or mandala, or from flash cards of > the Sanskrit alphabet, except maybe 'OM" or "Om Mani > Padme Hum". Go figure. Oh come on! Card is a lay Sanskrit enthusiast. He should be at least able to read Devanagari. I can read it. The American Sanskrit Institute has courses that teach you to read it in a weekend. Sanskrit appears to be an "engineered" language and logical. It's not a mongrel language like English which even has some Sanskrit roots. Korean is an "engineered" language called "the morning language" because you could learn the characters in a morning. The world at some point, if humanity survives, should hold a congress and authorize a group of linguists to create a new language for the Internet age that is logical and easy to learn. There will be resistance due to nationalism but there's nothing wrong with knowing at least two languages and eventually the new language would take over. Stop being such a hick! You're giving Texans a bad name (my uncle lived in Lubbock).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
Israel attacks Iran. From: card To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:35 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive FWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both "safely" in Taurus... --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, srijau@... wrote: > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) > > to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa > > Copied from my Facebook post: > > I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March > extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made > disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and Mars > (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of Aries. A > few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly opposite > Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous political/military > situations in the world. When Sun & Mars will get close to Ketu > (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive situations > may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please pray for a few > minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace and calm in the > world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. > > Best regards, > Narasimha >
[FairfieldLife] Uranus/Pluto square!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFqp6U4cUO8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
I have said to myself and been reviled for it here on wonderful FFL From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > Certainly, the Congolese refugee study is likely to be an outlier. However, > it might not be. The situation that triggered the PTSD was different than for > veterans and first responders, and equal-ish numbers of men and women were > tested, though I don't recall if any gender-related differences were found. > > The study was very straight-forward, short-term, with both clinically and > statistically large effects, so we can be sure that people will attempt to > replicate it -especially people with no connection to the TM organization. > > You appear to be assuming that the study is deliberately fraudulent or was so > badly done that the results are meaningless. I make no such assumptions. I think it's important not to make assumptions. I remember learning TM and getting a real buzz and thinking this must be the cure for all ills, the book certainly said so. It didn't last though and since then I've done a few things that started with glow of potential but fizzled out later. I suspect it's some sort of neural network thing, a kind of freedom you get from a sense of hope or at least a change of mental scenery. Or placebos, and they don't last very long either Time will tell for people with PTSD but as even you say about people uncovering and releasing stress that makes them act out of character in unpleasant ways, can we be sure that teaching a technique known to do this to combat vets a great idea? > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Don't fret Lawson, it won't be. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: sparaig > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:00 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > > wrote: > > [...] > > > I actually agree with you that Marshy was wrong. There is what > > > actually happens to meditators (not all that much if we are honest) > > > and there is the supporting dogma that everyone still clings to that > > > makes TM out to be the most amazing thing of any kind ever. > > > > If the most recent research on TM and PTSD is replicated by independent > > studies, only former True Believers will continue with this line of > > reasoning. > > > > L > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Israel attacks Iran. Those pesky planets. But let's face it, this will hardly be news. In fact it's one of the few things I'd bet on. I shudder to think what the knock-on effects will be, every time we meddle in the affairs of other countries it just stores up more trouble for the future. Never mind, the gods must have willed it... > > From: card > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:35 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds > alive > > > > Â > > FWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both "safely" in Taurus... > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) > > > > to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa > > > > Copied from my Facebook post: > > > > I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March > > extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made > > disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and > > Mars (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of > > Aries. A few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly > > opposite Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous > > political/military situations in the world. When Sun & Mars will get close > > to Ketu (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive > > situations may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please > > pray for a few minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace > > and calm in the world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
You misunderstand. I am asking why you think it relevant that MMY wrote down a mantra. The theoretical concern is about the person using that mantra writing it down or speaking it out loud once it is learned. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > Its in the book - and of the 2 mantras this guy was given on the Rishikesh > Beatles course to teach to everyone, one of them is the mantra I got at the > TM center in 1974. > > > > > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:10 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > Â > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I > > don't understand why you think this is relevant. > > > > L > > In the early days, M apparently gave out only two mantras to TM teachers; > those mantras were not the ones currently used, and this changed later to the > current system. I suppose one would have to get someone who learned in the > second half of the 1950s or a bit later, and who would also talk about it, to > find out. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > > > Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 > > > mantras the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages > > > that were appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > > > > > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the > > > mantras down > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: sparaig > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÂ > > > In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > > > secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of > > > speaking the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. > > > > > > There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is > > > so. > > > > > > L > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > > > > > > > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North > > > > > Carolina - he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if > > > > > what he told me was accurate I don't see how one could read the book > > > > > and not see what a damned old fraud Marshy was > > > > > > > > > > > > > I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that > > > > had > > > > recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the > > > > beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite > > > > these mantras before having sex." :-D > > > > > > > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > > > > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > > > > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > > > > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > > > > > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Sure. My point is that just because some theoretical state of consciousness brings with it total honesty, doesn't mean that that is really the case. I can conceive of situations where one might be "fully enlightened" according to some aspect of the TM definition, and still be fooling themselves. Of course, if you define enlightenment as "never fooling yourself," then this doesn't make sense. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Lawson, couldn't they be having an internal dialogue and be witnessing it, > not identifying with it, not being gripped by it? Something along those > lines. > > > > > > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 8:41 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > >  > We all tell ourselves lies. Even fully enlightened people likely lie to > themselves, but since they allegedly no longer have an internal dialogue, > they can't catch their own lies because they appear to be intuitive truths. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > I am simply unafraid of the truth. But you like most extremists can't stand > > the truth. I was a real TM true believer and became unafraid to look > > clearly with no blinders on at Marshy, TMO and TM itself. I didn't like > > what I found, but dealing with the truth is better than continuing to tell > > myself lies. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: "srijau@" > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 9:59 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > à> > > > you have shown time and again here that you use any occasion to make the > > most extremist statement, and a good deal of plain nonsense too. So I doubt > > any careful observer cares much anymore. > > >
[FairfieldLife] 45 years ago and a couple of days...
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/beatles-end-spiritual-retreat/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
I always thought that TM initiator was a far more accurate term. By definition, other than a mantra, you don't really learn anything from them. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > As per tradition, most likely a "guru mantra" from Brahmananda > Saraswati. Guru mantras are not necessarily secret either but more like > an "advanced technique" given to initiates of a path with the "initiate" > not to be confused with the more loose meaning of the term for "TM > initiator" where "TM meditation teacher" would be more correct. > > > On 04/22/2013 07:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > > how do you know what the Old Fraud did in his meditation? > > > > > > > > > > > > From: sparaig > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:36 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > > > > > > > Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I > > don't understand why you think this is relevant. > > > > L > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > >> the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > >> Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 > >> mantras the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that > >> were appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > >> > >> I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the > >> mantras down > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> From: sparaig > >> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > >> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > >> > >> > >> > >> Ã > >> In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > >> secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking > >> the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. > >> > >> There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. > >> > >> L > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > >>> On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - > he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me > was accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a > damned old fraud Marshy was > > >>> I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had > >>> recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the > >>> beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite > >>> these mantras before having sex." :-D > >>> > >>> Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > >>> is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > >>> effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > >>> true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > >>> > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
I'm not sure where I mentioned "out of character" and "releasing stress" in this conversation, but it might apply... The DLF implies that there are teachers specifically trained to work with PTSD victims. Perhaps they have more detailed instructions on how to deal with unstressing. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: [...] > Time will tell for people with PTSD but as even you say about people > uncovering and releasing stress that makes them act out of character > in unpleasant ways, can we be sure that teaching a technique known > to do this to combat vets a great idea?
[FairfieldLife] Earth Day!
Common sense really. http://www.treehugger.com/culture/10-tips-make-every-day-earth-day.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
On 04/21/2013 06:53 PM, sri...@ymail.com wrote: > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) > > to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa > > Copied from my Facebook post: > > I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March > extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made > disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and Mars > (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of Aries. A > few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly opposite > Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous political/military > situations in the world. When Sun & Mars will get close to Ketu > (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive situations > may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please pray for a few > minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace and calm in the > world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Or the effect of a "twin peak" of more solar activity (which is what NASA is calling it). Some astrologers have noted that every time there is a solar activity peak humans go kinda crazy. Perhaps the radiation effects earthling's minds.
[FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Judy: Actually it's a much clearer sign when somebody > > expresses the same sentiment but feels the need to try > > to disguise it in more "polite" language. Share asks: > > Are you talking about Robin here?! > > No, dear, I'm talking about Share. But she knew that. > > (CURTIS!!! THIRD PERSON ALERT!!!) > > > Just like when he uses crude language it's sophisticated > > humor. Like that, when he uses polite language, it's > > what? Other than, you know, way better than when other > > people use polite language?! > > The difference is that he isn't a phony who tries to > pretend he's somebody he's not. > > > Judy, it's ok if you have biases. We all do. It's part of > > being human. > > I don't believe I ever suggested that I didn't have biases. > Did you imagine I did? > > > For God's sake, woman, lighten up and laugh a little. > > Share, I find your attempts at debating absolutely > hilarious... > > > Even at yourself, though I realize that might be a bit of > > a stretch just yet. > > ...like this, for example. > > > Anyway, shalom l'chaim. > > Gay en drareht en bach bagel. http://www.urbanspoon.com/nf/3/236/204/New-York/Hells-Kitchen/Bagel-Shops > > > > > From: authfriend > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:19 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL > > > > > > > >  > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > > > When someone resorts to a vulgarity like this it's a clear > > > sign that they have been well and truly nailed. > > > > Actually it's a much clearer sign when somebody expresses > > the same sentiment but feels the need to try to disguise > > it in more "polite" language. > > > > What a transparent phony she is. And feste is oblivious. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it > > > > out your ass"? > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > > > > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > > > > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. > > > > (snip) > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:àI'm allergic > > > > > > to dishonesty. > > > > > (snip) > > > > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > > > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > > > > > is neither present nor likely, > > > > > > > > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > > > > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > > > > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > > > > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > > > > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > > > > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > > > > > > > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.) >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
the fact that they imply is one of their smoke and mirrors bull manure - if they can do it, let 'em prove it - I expect it will be the same type of TMO proof we have always gotten, you know the TMO "Just believe it cuz we say so and give us some money to support it too." From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:55 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula I'm not sure where I mentioned "out of character" and "releasing stress" in this conversation, but it might apply... The DLF implies that there are teachers specifically trained to work with PTSD victims. Perhaps they have more detailed instructions on how to deal with unstressing. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: [...] > Time will tell for people with PTSD but as even you say about people > uncovering and releasing stress that makes them act out of character > in unpleasant ways, can we be sure that teaching a technique known > to do this to combat vets a great idea?
[FairfieldLife] Re: a WONDERFUL formula
The quest for enlightenment begins with a sales pitch, basically that it is the most wonderful thing ever. That is the bait on the hook. The problem is sticking with the bait. The unified field, however you look at it, is said to be everything. Well, everything is already here. Awakening, realisation, just shows on the level of experience that is the case. It has always been here and is here now. Nothing new. That is the confidence game of enlightenment. Everything ultimately is essentially the same as it always was. Now it is really nice to have this experience, but because nothing new is gained, if you want to be better you have to work it out yourself. It may be that if you are less stressed some behaviour will improve spontaneously. But we have seen that doesn't sufficiently cover the range of behaviour that meditators of all stripes (TM, Buddhist, etc.) display. So you really need to look at your own behaviour rationally and adjust it, whether or not you have awakened or not. You are not guaranteed to become a life supporting saint just because you get quiet a few times a day, or that somebody told you you are going to 'get better' because you do this. Behaviour programmed into you by various cultural, organisational, and peer pressure mechanisms and rules can easily overshadow any spontaneously natural behaviour that might be termed 'good'. Maybe you are just rotten to the core, and no amount of meditation will make a dent in that. Enlightenment is not guaranteed, and it will not automatically hand you everything on a platter even if you see through your delusion.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
I said that because I caught a piece on the news, this morning, in which Chuck Hagle, Secretary of Defense , was making a statement, somewhere, that "Israel is an independent nation that has every right to defend it's self. We share their concerns over the same issue of Iran's development of Nukes, but our timing is a little different." I thought this was a *green-light* form the Secretary of Defense for Israel to do what they think they have to do. Netanyahu also indicated, earlier this year, that May or early summer, would be the time a threshold would be crossed. Time will tell. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Israel attacks Iran. Those pesky planets. But let's face it, this will hardly be news. In fact it's one of the few things I'd bet on. I shudder to think what the knock-on effects will be, every time we meddle in the affairs of other countries it just stores up more trouble for the future. Never mind, the gods must have willed it... > > From: card > To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:35 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds > alive > > > > Â > > FWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both "safely" in Taurus... > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) > > > > to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa > > > > Copied from my Facebook post: > > > > I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of March > > extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also man-made > > disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will power) and > > Mars (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the warrior sign of > > Aries. A few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they will be exactly > > opposite Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and dangerous > > political/military situations in the world. When Sun & Mars will get close > > to Ketu (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May 9/10, explosive > > situations may develop. At the end of your homam/pooja/meditation, please > > pray for a few minutes for better sense to prevail in people and for peace > > and calm in the world. Om Shaantih Shaantih Shaantih. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
No, because in terms of what an "initiation" is in Indian philosophy and yoga they do not initiate. You are initiated into a path and TM teachers don't do that. They only teach a TM technique. For instance as a Sidh Tantric in the Kali Sadhaka tradition I can only teach a meditation technique and perform some siddhis including some healing techniques. But I CANNOT initiate anyone into the tradition. That is for an Tantra Acharya. In fact some of the controversy over Maharishi from other yogis is often that he was not an acharya of the Shankaracharya tradition. On 04/22/2013 12:52 PM, sparaig wrote: > I always thought that TM initiator was a far more accurate term. By > definition, other than a mantra, you don't really learn anything from them. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> As per tradition, most likely a "guru mantra" from Brahmananda >> Saraswati. Guru mantras are not necessarily secret either but more like >> an "advanced technique" given to initiates of a path with the "initiate" >> not to be confused with the more loose meaning of the term for "TM >> initiator" where "TM meditation teacher" would be more correct. >> >> >> On 04/22/2013 07:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: >>> how do you know what the Old Fraud did in his meditation? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>From: sparaig >>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:36 AM >>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I >>> don't understand why you think this is relevant. >>> >>> L >>> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 mantras the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages that were appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the mantras down From: sparaig To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras  In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of speaking the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one another. There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is so. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: >> Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina - >> he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told me >> was accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see what a >> damned old fraud Marshy was >> > I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had > recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the > beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite > these mantras before having sex." :-D > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > >>> > > To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Benjamin Creme Discusses the Emergence of Maitreya. Recorded April 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvjkH7e-Lu8
[FairfieldLife] TESLA TECHNOLOGY FOR FREE ENERGY, FREEDOM FROM OIL Ralph Ring Interview on Sacr
TESLA TECHNOLOGY FOR FREE ENERGY, FREEDOM FROM OIL Ralph Ring Interview on Sacred Matrix. Guest Ring reports a patented Tesla-free magnetic, psychokinetically focused energy he and O.T. Carr used for a 45'- wide flying saucer in which they moved people in a nanosecond to any locale in the Universe. Our military confiscated the saucer and threatened to kill Ring and Carr if they made free energy known to all. youtubes on Ring's work at http://aquarianradio.com/2013/04/interview-ralph-marsha-ring/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras
Well, in which case, since the TM "teacher" neither initiates nor teaches, I guess no label applies at all. Regardless, the TM guys and gals do their best, whatever it is they do (or don't do). L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > No, because in terms of what an "initiation" is in Indian philosophy and > yoga they do not initiate. You are initiated into a path and TM teachers > don't do that. They only teach a TM technique. For instance as a Sidh > Tantric in the Kali Sadhaka tradition I can only teach a meditation > technique and perform some siddhis including some healing techniques. > But I CANNOT initiate anyone into the tradition. That is for an Tantra > Acharya. In fact some of the controversy over Maharishi from other yogis > is often that he was not an acharya of the Shankaracharya tradition. > > On 04/22/2013 12:52 PM, sparaig wrote: > > I always thought that TM initiator was a far more accurate term. By > > definition, other than a mantra, you don't really learn anything from them. > > > > L > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > >> As per tradition, most likely a "guru mantra" from Brahmananda > >> Saraswati. Guru mantras are not necessarily secret either but more like > >> an "advanced technique" given to initiates of a path with the "initiate" > >> not to be confused with the more loose meaning of the term for "TM > >> initiator" where "TM meditation teacher" would be more correct. > >> > >> > >> On 04/22/2013 07:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > >>> how do you know what the Old Fraud did in his meditation? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>From: sparaig > >>> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >>> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:36 AM > >>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Since MMY likely wasn't using those mantras in his meditation practice, I > >>> don't understand why you think this is relevant. > >>> > >>> L > >>> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > the guy who wrote the books says that when he was made a teacher on the > Rishikesh course (yeah the one with the Beatles) Marshy wrote the 2 > mantras the guy was supposed to teach on a pad of paper with the ages > that were appropriate - under 13 years of age, one for over 13 > > I guess since Marshy was "enlightened" it was ok for him to write the > mantras down > > > > > > From: sparaig > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 6:11 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Secrets of the Mantras > > > > Ã > In TM theory, it isn't that mantras are kept secret for the sake of a > secret,, but because the process of meditation and the process of > speaking the mantra aloud or writing it down, are contrary to one > another. > > There's even a physiological explanation that might explain why this is > so. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > On 04/21/2013 01:14 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: > >> Just got off the phone with one of my old TM friends in North Carolina > >> - he just finished reading the Secret of the Mantras - if what he told > >> me was accurate I don't see how one could read the book and not see > >> what a damned old fraud Marshy was > >> > > I recall when I came back from TTC I bought a book on the Vedas that had > > recently been published. In the book I found the list of many of the > > beej mantras used in TM with the statement that "many Indians recite > > these mantras before having sex." :-D > > > > Mantras in general are not secret at all. However one given my a guru > > is generally kept secret because of the belief that it will weaken the > > effect of the mantra for the practitioner if they give it out. This is > > true even if the guru gives everyone the same mantra. > > > >>> > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds alive
I read Hagle differently. If he were giving them the green light, he wouldn't equivocate. Can't piss off the Israelis directly, but you can withhold approval behind the scenes. Obama is not nearly as cozy with them as past administrations have been. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > I said that because I caught a piece on the news, this morning, in which > Chuck Hagle, Secretary of Defense , was making a statement, somewhere, that > "Israel is an independent nation that has every right to defend it's self. We > share their concerns over the same issue of Iran's development of Nukes, but > our timing is a little different." I thought this was a *green-light* form > the Secretary of Defense for Israel to do what they think they have to do. > Netanyahu also indicated, earlier this year, that May or early summer, would > be the time a threshold would be crossed. Time will tell. > > > > From: salyavin808 > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 12:39 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds > alive > > >  > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon > wrote: > > > > Israel attacks Iran. > > Those pesky planets. > > But let's face it, this will hardly be news. In fact it's one of > the few things I'd bet on. I shudder to think what the knock-on > effects will be, every time we meddle in the affairs of other > countries it just stores up more trouble for the future. Never > mind, the gods must have willed it... > > > > > From: card > > To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:35 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: warning from one the brightest Jyotish minds > > alive > > > > > > > > à> > > > FWIW, tropical Sun and Mars are both "safely" in Taurus... > > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, srijau@ wrote: > > > > > > Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > > > 7:53 PM (1 hour ago) > > > > > > to JyotishGroup, JyotishWritings, vedic-astrology, sohamsa > > > > > > Copied from my Facebook post: > > > > > > I mentioned before that an unstable phase that started at the end of > > > March extends till the end of May and that natural disasters and also > > > man-made disasters with long-term consequences are possible. Sun (will > > > power) and Mars (aggressive spirit) are now marching together in the > > > warrior sign of Aries. A few days after the eclipse of April 25/26, they > > > will be exactly opposite Saturn (patience). It can create very tricky and > > > dangerous political/military situations in the world. When Sun & Mars > > > will get close to Ketu (eccentricity) around the second eclipse of May > > > 9/10, explosive situations may develop. At the end of your > > > homam/pooja/meditation, please pray for a few minutes for better sense to > > > prevail in people and for peace and calm in the world. Om Shaantih > > > Shaantih Shaantih. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: what a Sunday on FFL
Dear Share, Google has a full translation function. I'm not sure that the Jerseyese section contains all of the dialects as what I came up with is she either wants to preform sanyama on your lawn or is expressing an unnatural interest in the operation of your lady-parts. Alex might be able to help as he seen to be a native speaker. He might have to first get a refill on his ointment. Hugs, azgrey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Share, are you familiar with the expression "Blow it > out your ass"? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > Judy, your biases are noted. As is your continuing self > > delusion about the presence of those biases and your ongoing > > inability to see more complete truth much less express it. > (snip) > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > (snip) > > > from Judy, best expression of her *hypochondria:Â I'm allergic > > > to dishonesty. > > (snip) > > > *hypochondria n. The persistent conviction that one is or is > > > likely to become ill, often involving symptoms when illness > > > is neither present nor likely, > > > > Says the person who has to her discredit an *astounding* > > number of examples of the most flagrant dishonesty--most > > recently her combined smear of raunchy and Robin today-- > > including rewriting history as documented by *her own > > posts*, and who has been unable either to explain away > > the dishonesty or acknowledge it. > > > > (And by the way, the symptoms of allergy *are* the illness.) > > >
